Joe Rogan
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
And she spoke in, like, a broken English, too. Yes, amazing. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
We thought it was your boyfriend. That's a whole creep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
That attracts gay guys. That's the best draw. Chelsea Handler. They all get all these gay guys showing up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
Dude, because you get to hang out with a dude. You get to hang out. I would love to marry you. We would have such a good time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
No, I think they gave him like five minutes. I don't know. He was in it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
They got axes on the edge of the water. That does not seem that thick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
That's great. He made good money. I mean, if you're going to spend money on something. Just buy new socks, throw them away.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
World News. World News Report. Yeah, yeah. That's the one. Those were great. That was the best. Yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
But look at the bride. It's so clearly like a holograph. They didn't even try.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's great because then if they're communicating, they're only communicating. They're not sharing things or Snapchatting each other back and forth and the addictive qualities of these phones. Which is, if you think about the course of human evolution and you think of how we adapted to agriculture and civilization and we essentially became softer and less muscular and less aggressive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That took a long time. A long time. That was a long time. This thing is hitting us so quickly and one of the bizarre things is it creates a disconnection even though you're being connected to people consistently and constantly through social media.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's a disconnection between human beings and normal behavior and learning through interaction with each other, social cues, all the different things that we rely on to learn how to be a friend and to learn how to be better at talking to each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But what concerns me is as this tech gets more and more invasive in terms of how human beings, particularly children, interface with it, and as it gets, I mean, really we would just be guessing as to what comes out of AI and to what kind of world we're even looking at in 20 years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It seems like it's having a profound effect on the behavior of human beings, particularly young human beings and their developmental. How old are you? I'm 48. I'm 57. So when I grew up, there was zero of this. And I got this slow trickle through adulthood from when I was a child, the VHS tapes and answering machines through the big tech.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So we went through the whole cycle of it, which is really interesting. So you get to see this profound change in people and what it's doing to kids. And you've got to wonder, like, what is that doing to the species? And is that going to be normal? Is it going to be normal to be emotionally disconnected and, like, very bizarre in our person-to-person interface?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's also a completely novel new thing that we weren't prepared for. So before there was social media and online news, no one was prepared for the world of the algorithm. No one was prepared for being like –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
literally everything that freaks you out is what you'll be shown because that shows that you're engaging and that's how it's set up for it, which is just so contrary to the rest of history. I mean, it was always, it bleeds, it leads in the news because they wanted people, they wanted to win ratings news, but they only had so much control and it was only on for an hour. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it seems it's inevitable, right? AI's emergence and where it goes from here on is inevitable. It's going to happen. And we should probably try to steer it at least in a way that benefits everybody. And I agree with you. There is a world I could see where AI changes everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And one of the things that makes me most hopeful is a much better form of translation so that we'll be able to understand each other better. It's a giant part of the problem in the world. It's, you know, the Tower of Babel. So we really can't communicate with each other very well. So we really don't know what the problems are in these particular areas or how people feel about us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's... Yeah, we can't. And it's very easy to not empathize with someone where you don't even know what their letters are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, I've had that with when I interview fighters. I've had translators.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And now it's just this 24 seven anxiety fest and,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I see what you're saying in the final example as the rosy scenario. That's the best case option, right? That it gives people the freedom to be more creative and to pursue different things. I think there's always going to be a market for handmade things. People like things. They like an acoustic performance. They like stuff where it's very human and very real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But there's a lot of people that just want a job. And these people maybe just aren't inclined towards creativity. And maybe they're very simple people who just want a job and they just want to work. Those are the people that I worry about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
What are your thoughts on universal basic income as a band-aid to sort of mitigate that transition?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's a best-case scenario, right, because your parents worked their way out of it. My parents worked their way out of it. But some people are just content to just get a check. And this is the issue I think that a lot of people have is that people will become entitled and just want to collect a check. And if it's a substantial portion of our country, like if universal basic income is
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
If AI eliminates, let's just say a crazy number, like 70% of the manual labor jobs, truck drivers, construction workers, all that stuff gets eliminated. That's a lot of people without a purpose. And one of the things that a good day's work and earning your pay, it makes people feel self-sufficient. It makes people feel valuable. It gives them a sense of purpose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They could look at the thing that they did, maybe build a building or something like that and drive their kids by. Hey, we built that building right there. Oh, wow. It's a part of their identity. And if they just get a check and then what do they do? Just play video games all day?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's the worst case scenario is that people just get locked into this world of computers and online and just receive checks and have the bare necessities to survive and are content with that and then don't contribute at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Boy, what kind of people are going to go first there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. Sure. Just like the people that got on the Pinta, the Santa Maria and made their way across the ocean.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. But to want to go to a place that doesn't even have an atmosphere that's capable of sustaining human life and try to figure – and you can only go back every couple of years and like – Those people are going to be psychos. You're going to have a completely psychotic Australia on meth. You know, it's like the worst case scenario of the cast outs of society.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You wouldn't know. Yeah. That could be the future, instantaneous communication with people on other planets, just like you could talk to people in New Zealand today.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, then also with quantum computing and one of the things about AI that's been talked about is this massive need for energy. And so they're going – at least it's been proposed to develop nuclear sites specifically to power AI, which is wild.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But isn't the problem... With introducing this to other countries, and I believe it was India where they introduced nuclear power plants, then they realized very quickly they could figure out how to make nuclear weapons from that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the real problem would be if that is not a small handful of countries that have nuclear weapons, but the entire world, it could get very sketchy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So to explain to people that 2 plus 2 equals 5 is a bizarre thing that was going around where they were talking about how math is racist. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
One of the strangest things about us is the kind of wisdom that's necessary to sort of see the future and prognosticate and see where this could go, especially based on the history of human beings and how many times things have changed. Like you were talking about Sri Lanka, but there's many examples all over the world of civilizations that were thriving, that were pounded into dust.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Which is, oh, no. If math is racist, we have a real problem. Because that means everything's racist. Because everything's math.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And because every day is similar for us, we have this inability to look forward and to make that leap and see the potential for disaster that all these things have. And this is what freaks me out about when people talk openly about, you know, we have to win with Russia versus Ukraine. What are you talking about?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. What does that mean? This sounds insane. And then applauding the long range attacks into Russia now, like this escalation. Oh, you know, they're attacking Russia now. They'll show them. Are you in a movie? Do you think that this always ends up with the good guys winning? Because that's not the case in human history at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And not only that, there is no good guy if people start launching nukes. Everybody's a bad guy and everybody's fucked. And that's on the table. When you see long-range Israel bombing campaigns in the Lebanon and you see what's going on with Ukraine and Russia, who knows? Who knows how this escalates? Who knows what the retaliatory response is? Who knows what the response to the response is?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
The other problem that America clearly has is that there are – there's an enormous portion of what controls the government, whether you want to call it the military industrial complex or – military contractors, there's so much money to be made in pushing that line, pushing it to the brink of destruction but not past, maintaining a constant state of war but not an apocalypse.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that as long as there's financial incentives to keep escalating and you're still getting money and they're still signing off on – hundreds of billions of dollars to funnel this. And it's all going through these military contractors and bringing over weapons and gear. And the windfall is huge. The amount of money is huge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And they do not want to shut that off for the sake of humanity, especially if someone can rationalize. You get this diffusion of responsibility when there's a whole bunch of people together and they're all talking about it. Everyone's kind of on the same page and you have shareholders that you have to represent. Like the whole thing is bananas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Like, he's in this frenzy of this intense scene. But what is fucking, what is Bill doing? Republican talking points on Fox News? No, that was a different time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
What would be an example of that other than weapons manufacturing? Like what would be equally economically viable?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
As long as there's not still a business for war.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
This is my one bright spot that I think about with AI as well. It's like, everyone's terrified of the open border situation and criminals coming across the border. And Wouldn't the solution be not have a place like a desperate third world country where people are trying to escape on foot with their families?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
If we were living next door to another United States and you could just travel freely back and forth between the two of them because it really didn't matter. Both of them are equally safe. Both of them have equal economic prosperity. Both of them are equally democratically governed. No problem. Just go over there. Go over here. I mean, it kind of used to be like that with Canada.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
With Canada, you used to go over there with a driver's license. You used to be able to go back and forth between the United States. I mean, I think the first time I went to Canada, I did not have a passport. I had a driver's license. And it was kind of the same sort of deal. It was just accepted. Oh, that place is cool. We're cool. We're next to each other. If the whole world was like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It would be incredible. Right. It would be incredible. And I think AI makes that possible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it makes that possible. And we're going to have to deal with a few very uncomfortable factors, one of them being the illegal drug trade and another one being the consequences of prohibition and forcing people into doing things of drugs. Prohibition of drugs? But I feel like the only way to disempower illegal drug manufacturing is to have legal drug manufacturing that's regulated.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
The only way to stop fentanyl overdoses is to have cocaine become legal. But the problem with that is you get a bunch of people that are addicted to cocaine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They don't do fentanyl on purpose. They start it because of a prescription? No. Most fentanyl overdoses is fentanyl that's cut into other drugs, particularly party drugs like molly and ecstasy, cocaine, even heroin, things along those lines where people think that they're getting a pure thing, but they're getting it from the cartel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yes. It's cheap and it's very small amounts of fentanyl do incredible damage. Like the amount of fentanyl that can kill you is like the head of a nail. It's very small. Have you seen it in relationship to a penny?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's crazy. So the problem is if you have a drug and you've cut it with a bunch of other things because you want to sell as much of it as possible, you add a bunch of things into it and to increase the potency they add fentanyl. And because of that, it's all done illegally, it's unregulated, so a lot of people die. And the numbers in the United States, I think there are upwards of 100,000 people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I think you're going to have to have a massive education campaign, and people are going to have to understand it the same way they understand cigarettes. Like, cigarette smoking in young people is down quite a bit from the 80s, right? and I think that's because of people understanding the consequences of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But you're always going to have people that want to smoke cigarettes, and my belief is that they should be able to smoke cigarettes. I don't think you should do Adderall all day, but if you get a prescription, you can do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But at least in my mind, you're getting Adderall from a pharmacy, and that pharmacy is going to give you actual Adderall and not some fentanyl-laced thing that's going to kill you and... you have no idea. You think you're taking the same thing you've always taken, and then one day you're dead. And that's the case with a lot of people today, especially with party drugs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I don't think you should do heroin. I don't think you should do cocaine. I don't think you should fuck your life up. And I know too many people who have fucked their life up. But I also don't think that I should be able to tell you what you can do, especially when there's all these drugs that are readily available, particularly alcohol, which is one of the most destructive drugs to your health,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
to relationships and families, to societies. How many alcoholics? How many drunk driving accidents? How many drunk people murdered other people? There's just horrible consequences of alcohol, but I completely support alcohol being legal. Yeah, same. But we have learned how to consume alcohol as a culture.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, first of all, they were already off the rails. This is not like legalizing drugs in San Francisco in the year 2000. It's a completely different scenario. So you have these people that are really...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They're accustomed to tents and subsidizing drug addicts, and they're accustomed to this very bizarre breakdown of civil society where you're seeing open-air drug markets, and everyone's fine with it, and it's somehow or another – kind and compassionate to allow this to take place everywhere. And that's what you have in Portland, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Portland is probably one of the most liberal cities that we have, the most leftist cities that we have. So for Oregon to do it that way, I think it's a like an awesome libertarian notion to say, you know what, we shouldn't make any of these things a crime. These are personal choices and you can make good personal choices or bad ones. We'll have everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the problem is the fabric of society, the encouragement of discipline and of hard work and of accomplishment had been eroded to the point where accomplishment meant that there was something wrong with you. Like if you were a person that was eat the rich, tax the rich, if you're a person that had accomplished something great, it wasn't because of some extraordinary effort you put in.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Even if it was, it was you did something to fuck over other people. And that's the only way you get rich in this world. And it's just ridiculous. It's bizarre. And it permeated Portland. So when you introduce free heroin to that, you're going to get more problems. And you're subsidizing people for living on the streets, which they do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I watched this interview where they were talking to these people in the Pacific Northwest where they moved there specifically so they could be homeless because they knew that they'd get money. And there's no incentive to get out of those tents. There's no incentive. There's free food and free drugs, and they give you money. And they're like, OK.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think. Have you ever heard of Dr. Carl Hart? No. He's a professor. Is he at Columbia? I believe he's at Columbia. Carl Hart was a straight chemist, like a guy studying chemistry and studying these substances in Colombia. And he was a clinical researcher. And along the way, he started realizing that our –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Our understanding of these drugs and the pros and cons of them had been flavored by propaganda heavily, particularly the sweeping act of 1970 that made almost everything illegal, which was really to target civil rights groups and anti-war people. And so this was during the Nixon administration. They made a bunch of things that were psychedelics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, MKUltra was actually before that. It was when they were experimenting with people, particularly with LSD. So when they started doing this, they made everything illegal. And now the only way you can get any of these things is through illegal sources. So you're getting them through the cartels. So if we don't have the ability to legalize things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the problem with legalization, there's no good answer here. So to keep things illegal, you're going to have fentanyl overdoses. I know people have lost their children. I know people have lost their brothers and sisters to this. It's a horrible thing that happens. You're also going to get heroin overdoses if it's legal. So Jesus Christ.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And you're going to get more people to try it because it's legal. But it's just like prohibition during the 1920s or the 1930s, rather. When they had that, what they did was they enabled the mob. And they enabled organized crime. And that was the rise of Al Capone. And that was the rise of the moonshiners. And you essentially, you always had a demand.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the people that were willing to supply that demand were criminals. Right. And they were criminals in this country. We're empowering criminals that are essentially running Mexico, which is bizarre. I know during the latest election, how many assassinations were there? Was it 37 or 35? During their latest elections- In Mexico. In Mexico. There was at least 35 assassinations. Wow.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
37. 37 assassinated candidates. I mean, you have to play ball with the cartel over there. You know, just like you had to play ball with the mob in the 1930s. You have to play ball. They have the guns and they're really mean and they'll do whatever the fuck they want to you. The 2021 midterms when 36 candidates were killed.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's wild down there. That is a direct... result of having trillions of dollars being made by selling illegal drugs and made most of them to sell to America. I'm sure they sell them to other places as well.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
No, I don't think there's a lot of money in that. The real money's in like meth. Meth, cocaine. They have a problem with illegal marijuana that's grown in the United States on national forest land. Because what happened is, especially in California, my friend John Norris, he wrote a book called The Hidden War.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And he was a fish and game officer and basically wanted to be the guy that checks your fishing license. Like, great job. You're out in the outdoors. And one day... It's the beginning of a movie. It is the beginning of a movie. I'm sure they're probably doing a movie on it. But in one day, they find this creek that is dried up and they think that perhaps- Oh, they diverted the water.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Someone's diverted the water. They thought it was a farmer that had done something inappropriate or whatever. So they follow the creek up and they find this illegal grow up that's run by the cartel. And then they become a tactical unit and they have Belgian Malinois and bulletproof vests and- Machine guns. The whole thing's crazy. And they get in shootouts with the cartel in National Forest Land.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Because it's a misdemeanor to grow pot illegally in a state where pot is legal. So California has legal marijuana. You could go to any store anywhere, use credit cards. It's open, free market. If you follow the rules, you can open up a store. But if you don't follow the rules, you can sell it illegally, and it's just a misdemeanor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
In some states. I know in Colorado, it was a real problem. And in Colorado, they had to do everything in cash.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they were using mercenaries. They're essentially using military contractors to run the money back and forth to the bank because you had to bring the bank money in bulk. So you'd have a million dollars in an armored car and a bunch of guys tailing the car in front of the car and they're driving it to the bank and everyone knows there's a million dollars in their car.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So you have to really be fortified. And so it was very sketchy for a lot of people. I don't know what the current condition in Colorado is now. I don't know if they still have to do it that way.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, it's gray. And they're trying to diminish that. The latest steps during the Biden administration is to change it to a Schedule 3. And that's a proposal. That would help. But really, it should be just like alcohol. It should be something that you have to be 21 years old to buy. You should have to have an ID. And we should educate people how to use it responsibly.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we should also pay attention to whoever the fuck is growing it and make sure you're not going wacky. There's people that are botanists that are out of their mind potheads that are just 24-7 hitting bongs, and they're making stuff that'll put you on Mars without Elon Musk.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they do regulate it in California. If you go to good places in California, let's say this is 39% THC, which is very high.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
this is 37 this is you know but then there's also the problem with one thing that marijuana seems to do to some people that alcohol doesn't necessarily some people have a propensity for alcoholism and it seems to be genetic but there's a thing that happens with marijuana where people who have a tendency towards schizophrenia marijuana can push them over the edge and alex berenson wrote a great book about this called tell your kids
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I've personally witnessed people who have lost their marbles. And I think it's people that have this propensity. Because one of the things that I think is beneficial about marijuana in particular, and this is one of the things that freaks people out, is the paranoia. Paranoia, I feel like what it is, is a hyper-awareness.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, isn't that part of the problem with eliminating gifted classes? I think they're doing that in New York. Is that where they're doing that? Find out if that's the case. There's some where there's this hot controversy about eliminating the concept of gifted classes. But the reality is there's some people that are going to find regular classes, particularly mathematics and some other things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I think it pushes down all these boundaries that you've set up, all these walls and all these blinders. so that you see the world for what it really is. And a lot of people, it freaks out. But what I think it does is it ultimately makes you more compassionate and kinder and nicer. And you realize like- In the moment or afterwards? Afterwards.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it's a tool for recognizing things that you are conveniently ignoring. And my friend Eddie told me about this once. He was saying, if you're having a bad time and you smoke marijuana, you're going to have a worse time. Because you're already freaking out. You're already freaking out about something. If you're going through a horrible breakup and you get high, like, oh, no one loves me.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But if you're having a great time with your friends, you'll probably just laugh and be silly, right? Because you're not freaking out about something. You probably – you're in a good place mentally, which we should all strive to be in a good place.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, I think there are whiskey connoisseurs and there are, I mean, there is like scotch, like old scotch does have a fantastic taste. It's got an interesting sort of an acquired taste. But there's real wine connoisseurs.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Wine is a different animal. Wine is incredible. The flavor of wine is spectacular. It's the most delicious of all alcohols without being sweet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. It's a different thing. Like the people that say they're tequila connoisseurs, like, shut up. It all tastes like shit.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, I drink a glass of wine with a steak, and it's like, oh, this wine's fucking great. I totally agree with you. And it puts you in a calm. It relaxes me. You don't want to go drive fucking wild and get crazy and get in a fight when you're drinking wine.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They're going to find them a little too easy. They're more advanced. They're more advanced students. And those students should have some sort of an option to excel. And it should be inspiring. It may be intimidating, but also inspiring to everybody else. I mean, that's part of the reason why kids go to school together. Look how hard she works. She works so much harder than me.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But it's a weird status thing, the expensive wine. It's just like Cuban cigars.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Is there a limitation? Like, is there a certain specific amount that you have to buy?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And so a retail store could just buy a few bottles?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But when I hear people that are going to open up their own wine label, I'm like, oh, good Lord. How much do you know about wine? Like, oh, I'm going to start a wine business. Like, what?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Look how much she's getting ahead. Fuck, I've got to work harder. And it really does work that way. That's how human beings, in cooperation, that's how they grow together.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, yeah. They do weird stuff. Like, they'll splice avocado trees with—what is that nut? So they'll take avocado trees and they splice them with pistachios to make the tree more sturdy. You can take two different species of tree, and if you cut them sideways and splice them together, they'll grow more.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So when you usually do it, do you have to have that potato and they have to soak it so a sprout comes out of it and then plant it? Is that what they do? I don't know. Because I've seen that before. I've always wondered how they're doing that.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, they still have real tomatoes. You have to search for real tomatoes here. If you want an heirloom tomato, that's an actual tomato. The tomatoes that we have are just these freaks.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Oh, that's right. He was a gossip guy. He was like an Entertainment Tonight type guy. Inside Edition. One of those deals. Inside Edition. Is that what it was? That's what it's called. Ah, yeah. And fucking those things. They never go away. It's such a weird environment, the left and right. There's no, like, centrist news source on television.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Have you ever worn a glucose monitor when you were in Italy?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I'd like to know because there's a difference that the way my body responds. I can tell you how my body feels.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And it's just the difference in the food system.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, you feel completely different. Even when you eat things like pizza over there, you don't feel like you ate a brick. I've eaten pizza here and I love it, but when I'm over, I'm like, oh. What did you do? What did you do? Like you ate a brick. But over there, it's just food. It tastes great. The pasta doesn't bother you. Nothing bothers you. It's just whatever they're doing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And there's many things. Just one of them, they're not using enriched flour. And another thing is they have heirloom flour. So it hasn't been maximized for the most amount of gluten.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. What's possible? How much can you really affect with regulation? How much can you really bring to light? And what are we going to learn about our food system? I mean, even Canada, one of the things about the hearings that they just had was they were comparing Lucky Charms that they sell in the United States that are very brightly colored versus Lucky Charms they sell in Canada.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Completely different looking product because in Canada it's illegal to use those dyes that we use ubiquitously. And those dyes are terrible for you. We know they're terrible for you. And Canada knows they're terrible for you, which is why they're illegal up there. The food tastes the same. It still sucks. It's still bad for you. It's still covered in sugar.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But at least it doesn't have that fucking poison that just makes it blue or red.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's garbage. Yeah. It's all garbage. And it's so common. And then if you're in what they would call food desert, if you're in a place that only has fast food – Like, my God, like your odds of being metabolically healthy if you're poor and you're living in a place that's a food desert. It's impossible. It's fucked. It's impossible. You're fucked. It's too hard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And it's also very expensive, which is even crazier. It's so expensive to eat well and to eat like clean and make sure that you don't have any additives and garbage in your food.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's such a small amount of people that affected that. That's what's so terrifying. There's a small amount of people who bribed these scientists to falsify data so that they could blame all these coronary artery diseases and heart diseases on saturated fat when it was really sugar that was causing all these problems.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we had a very dysfunctional understanding of health for the longest time. The food pyramid was all fucked up. The bottom of the food pyramid was all bread and carbs. It's so nuts. And it just made a bunch of really sloppy humans. And you could see it in the beaches, the photos from the 1960s versus looking at people in the 2000s.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's a failure of our regulatory process. It's a failure of our exposing the public to this and making sure that whatever this is is labeled the same way cigarettes are. Because if you want to buy cigarettes, you can buy them today, but it's going to have a big warning that tells you this can kill you. Totally. Yeah. arguably sugar is probably as difficult to kick as nicotine is.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I have a friend who has diabetes, and he got type 2 diabetes, and he's thin, my friend Duncan. And one of the things he found out is when he stopped eating, it was all just eating too much sugar. When he stopped eating sugar, he's like, oh, my God, I have so much energy. Like, this is what I'm supposed to feel like? Yeah. He had thought that it was just lifestyle. Like he's in his 40s now.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Lethargic. Yeah. I need a nap. And he didn't realize he was poisoning himself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that's what most people are doing. Most people out there that are drinking regular soda and they're eating candy and you're eating burgers with sugar in the bun and bullshit and bread and French fries cooked in seed oils. You're just poisoning yourself. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's also like, let's be real. That's not food. It's something you put in your mouth, but you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps. So if you can't buy cigarettes with food stamps, why should you be able to buy something that's really bad for you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I mean, what would change if we said food stamps, we're going to actually increase the amount that you get, but we're going to regulate what you can buy. And you have to buy all the things from the outside of the store.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the problem is people, especially people that don't know or care, want that sugar water. You know, like there's the choices.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. You're going to have people that choose that Big Mac because it is delicious.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That is the issue. See what Bobby Kennedy was talking about with these GLP-1s? He was comparing the amount of money spent on GLP-1s and what you could give every obese American, that you could give them free healthy food and a gym membership?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Isn't that amazing? Just something that controls your appetite. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But now there's an industry that's making $3 trillion by giving people these GLP-1s. And the problem is, just like every other industry, once it starts making money, it does not want to stop.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. Well, the only other thing that I could think is if there was some sort of a way that would be effective at establishing discipline other than just promoting it. I could conceive of, especially when you're dealing with something like Neuralink or some sort of a new way of programming the mind where it just changes whatever the behavior pattern is that accepts these foods as choices.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's worst case scenario. Best case scenario is you just have... like a national scale promotion of health and wellness and abandonment of this body positivity nonsense and fat doctors and people are telling you that every weight is a healthy weight and all food is food and to think otherwise is discriminatory, which you're hearing from people. And by the way, that stuff is funded.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that's what people need to know. That nonsense is actually funded. They pay people to be influencers, and they're getting paid by these food companies to say these nonsense things that are scientifically, factually incorrect. They're not true. It is not healthy in any way, shape, or form to be obese. And when they tell you that you can be metabolically healthy and still have fat, it's okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's not okay. It's not okay. That's just not true. And is that fat shaming? You can call it whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't change what it does to the human body. And it doesn't make someone better if you don't make them feel bad about being robustly unhealthy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It sounds great. It's just a matter of resources and then also completely revamping how you teach kids. This is my gripe with this whole ADHD thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You know, I've talked to many people who have varying opinions on whether or not that's an actual condition or whether or not there's a lot of people that have a lot of energy and you're sitting in a class that's very boring and they don't want to pay attention to it. So instead, you drug them and you give them medication that is essentially speed and lets them hyper focus on things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It seems worse than falling into the seat cushions if it's 42 billion people and none of them have received internet access. That's really insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I should say I used the Starlink Mini this past week in Utah in the mountains. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's the size of this book. It's amazing. It's crazy. It literally fits in a small laptop case. My friend couldn't believe that was it. I was like, this is it.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, it's what he really is. But he really is. Yeah, it's like the Ellen thing, you know, it's like... I mean, he really did lose his shit there. Oh, it looked like, weirdly, you know? I got the Christian Bale one, because he's in characters, intense scenes. Some guy's fucking around in the background. Like, God damn it, stop fucking around. I get that. Yeah, yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. In a year or two, it'll probably be straight to your cell phone and you won't need that dish anymore. But right now the dish is a small iPad and you just sit it down in a field and we plugged a cord to it. And you don't even have to have a cord. It is a battery that comes with it.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, let me paint the ultimate dystopian solution. The ultimate – part of our problem is we have corruption. We have what you were talking about with deals sort of like the border wall deal had money in it for Ukraine. Like there's all these weird deals. There's bills that don't make any sense. Like how did you add all this stuff? Why is this 2,000 pages?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And now all of a sudden, little Timmy's locked on. You know, it was really just the medication that he needed. And I think for a lot of those kids, if they found something that was really interesting to them, maybe they're really bored with this, but they're really excited by biology.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
How many people signed it and actually read it? AI government. AI government solves all those problems. AI government is not corrupt. AI government just works literally for the people.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And instead of having all these state representatives and all these bullshit artists that pretend to be working on their truck and they don't know what the fuck they're doing, they're just doing it for an ad, you don't have any of that anymore. Now everything's governed with AI. The problem is who's controlling the AI?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And is there some sort of an ultimate regulatory body that makes sure that the AI isn't biased or tainted?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. And it could be gamed as well, right? Like you could organize.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we've seen distortions, right? Like the Gemini AI that was – they were asked to make Nazi soldiers. They made these multiracial Nazi soldiers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And that kind of stuff where it's just like, who are the founding fathers? It's all here's a black guy. It's like here's a Chinese lady. Like, OK, we get it. You're not racist. But this is you're being crazy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Exactly. When you talk specifically history. I mean, one of them was like a Native American woman was a Nazi soldier. It's like this is so nuts. So that is a problem in that AI is not clean, right? It's got the greasy fingerprints of modern civilization on it and all of our bizarre ideologies.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Maybe there's something that resonates with their particular personality and what excites them, and they could find a pathway. And instead, we have this very rigid system that wants to get children accustomed to the idea of sitting still for an hour at a time over and over and over again throughout the day being subjected to people who aren't necessarily that motivated or getting paid that well.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You know, one of the things that I thought was extraordinary that Elon was getting pushed back on was his idea of making the government more efficient. And that auditing the various programs and finding out how to make them more efficient. And a lot of people really freaked out about that. And their main freak out, the main argument from intelligent people that I saw was, what are you going to do?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Are you going to fire all these people that are in charge of government? I don't think that's the answer for ineffective government is to let the same people do the same thing because otherwise you have to fire them. That sounds insane. And to say that the government is as efficient as is humanly possible or even close to it, no one believes that. No rational person believes that.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Everyone believes in bureaucracy. Everyone believes there's a lot of nonsense going on. Everyone believes that... Look at the difference between what... Elon has been able to accomplish with SpaceX versus what NASA has been doing recently. Look at the difference between what they're able to accomplish with Starlink versus this $42 billion program that yielded zero results.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Look at the difference between all these different things that are done in the private sector when there's competitive marketplace strategies. You have to figure out a way to get better and more efficient, and you can't afford to have a bunch of people in your company that are doing nothing. And they're creating red tape and making things harder to progress. That's bad for the business.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's the argument for letting private companies take over things.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
We actually were talking about Singapore yesterday, how extraordinarily efficient their recycling program is. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's really amazing what they do. They really recycle. They recycle how we think we're recycling. They really do. They really separate the plastic. They break it up. They use it to make power. They use it to make road materials.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
They make building materials out of it. They reuse everything.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
No. And then there's just folks that are stuck in space.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. And Jamie said they were supposed to be there for how long? Eight hours? Yeah. They were supposed to be there for eight hours. They were supposed to be quick. They were supposed to be quick. And they've been there for months. They're going to be there until February. That's so insane. They're going to be there until February. How terrifying must that be?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Eight days. They're supposed to be there for eight days.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's what they say to themselves. They keep from going crazy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's weird that AI, that's another flaw with AI, right? It would read it like that? I wonder what the incentive is for AI to lie to you about that. How does AI not know it's not 2025 yet? We're stuck in space until February of 2025.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That's a weird error, though. It is a weird error.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Did you see this latest report? There's like real controversy about some finding that the James Webb telescope has discovered. And there's some talk of some large object moving towards us that's course correcting.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
This is the weird part about it. And there's all these meetings. And so all the kooky UAP people are all over it saying disclosure is eminent. There's a mothership headed towards us. So it gets fun. I don't know what they mean by course correcting. What does that mean? And how do they know it wasn't impacted with something else that diverted it?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's no, like, this is probably what's going on news source. It's always one or the other, and it's like you're living in a bipolar person's brain. I think, like...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But they're not telling anybody. There's something going on. Do you think they would tell people? Imagine if there was a giant chunk of steel, of iron rather, that's headed towards us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Do we have the capability of moving that thing? Would the FCC wait five months to give Elon the- I think you'd probably send as many.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It's also a problem of breaking it up. Exactly. If it breaks up, then you have smaller pieces that are hitting everywhere instead of one large chunk.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, but ultimately I always wonder, you know, like the universe sort of has these patterns that force innovation and constantly move towards further and further complexity. And if you were going to have intelligent life that existed on a planet, what better incentive – to get this intelligent life to spread to other parts of the planet than to make that planet volatile.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Make super volcanoes, earthquakes, solar flares, all sorts of different possibilities, asteroid impacts, all sorts of different possibilities that motivate this thing to spread.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And we also know that there's planets in our immediate vicinity that used to be able to harbor life like Mars. We know that Mars was covered in water and Mars had a sustainable atmosphere. Right. So we know that this is not just a dream, that this is possible, that what we're experiencing here on Earth is temporary.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And if we get hit by something big—well, we know Earth was hit by a planet in its formation. There was Earth 1 and Earth 2. The formation of the moon, the primary theory is that we were hit by another planet, and that's why we have such a large moon. That's a quarter of the size— Is that right?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Quarter of the size of Earth. It's like keeping our atmosphere stable and keeping our—it's— A wild shooting gallery out there. I mean, it really is. And especially our particular solar system has a massive asteroid belt. There's like 900,000 near-Earth objects.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That it will be able to solve problems that are inescapable to us and also offer us like real hard data about how big of a problem this is and when this needs to be solved by and then come up with actionable solutions. Yeah. And that seems to be something that might escape us as biological entities with limited minds, especially when we're not working together. Yeah.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And you could get AI to have the accumulated power, mind power of everyone, you know, 10x.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
It would have to be something that showed such overwhelming superiority that it shut down all of our military systems and did so openly to the point where we're like we're really helpless against this thing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yes. My hope is that one of the things that comes out of AI and the advancement of society through this is the allocation of resources much more evenly and that we use AI. As I was saying before, the best way to keep people from entering into this country is to make all the other places as good as this country. As good as this country.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Then you solve all the problems for everybody and you don't have this one place where you can go to get a job or you go over there and you get murdered.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Isn't it interesting that the idea of people not getting together in groups and killing people they don't know, that's utopia? That is some sort of ridiculous pie-in-the-sky vision of the possibility of the future of humanity where that's –
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
That thing can make a Drake song in three minutes.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
common in small groups like even in cities I mean there's individual murders and there's crimes in cities but cities aren't attacking other cities and killing everybody right so there's something bizarre about nations and there's something bizarre about the the uneven application of resources and possibilities and and you know your
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Your economic hopes, your dreams, your aspirations being achievable pretty much everywhere. If we did that, I think that might be the way that we solve most violence or the most horrific nonsensical violence.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I saw this brilliant discussion that you had where you were explaining that Trump is the wrong messenger, but many of the things that he did actually were very positive.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I think that is a... It's a very difficult thing to describe. It's a very difficult thing to express to people because we're so polarized, particularly with a character like Trump that's so polarizing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
it's very difficult to attribute anything to him that is positive, especially if you're a progressive or if you're on the left or if you've been a lifelong Democrat or if you're involved in tech.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I mean, it's this bizarre denial of basic reality, the reality of what can you see based on what was put in place, what actions were taken, what were the net benefits?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
He's so polarizing that there's been two attempted assassinations on him and no one cares.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah. But listen, no one can dodge forever. But the thing is, it's like no one seems to care that the rhetoric is ramped up so hard and has been so distorted.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But there is real decisions that have been made during the Biden administration about the border that are affecting people.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think it's a decision. I don't think it's a lack thereof, especially the flying people in and the utilization of an app. to fly people in. That seems insane. The whole thing seems insane, and I don't know what the motivation is. I've talked to people that know a lot about the construction business, and they believe the motivation is cheap labor.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think that's part of it, and that a lot of the problem is, in many industries, the lack of cheap labor and people that are willing to do jobs. It's one of the things that I've heard. There's a lot of criticism about all the Haitians that have moved to Springfield, Ohio.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But one of the positive things that I've heard from people that live there is that these people are hard workers and they're willing to do jobs that the other people weren't willing to take on. So you have pros and cons, but you have this incentivized effort to move people into this country illegally, which will undoubtedly bring in people that you don't want here.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Gang members, cartel members, terrorists. Terrorists. That's real. And we've documented that. And there's people that have been arrested that were trying to come in that were terrorists. And there's people that have gotten through for sure.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I don't think it is either, but the fear, and Elon's talked about this, the real fear is that they're bringing these people in, give them a clear path to citizenship, which will allow them to vote, and then you've essentially bought their vote.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
So if the Democrats bring them in, incentivize them to become Democrats and vote, and give them money, which they clearly are doing, they're giving them EBD cards, and they're giving them housing, and they're giving things that they're not giving to veterans and poor people in this country, that seems to be an incentive to...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
to get these people to want to be here and also to appreciate the people that gave them that opportunity, which is you would essentially in swing states, which is Ohio, what's one of them, if you can get a lot of people in there and you've given them a better life because of your policies, those people, if you give them the opportunity to vote, especially if they're limited, low-information voters, they're going to vote for the party that got them to America.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And I'm sure most of those people are people that just want a better opportunity. And that's a great thing.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But you have to take care of all the people here, especially the veterans and especially these people that have been struggling in these inner cities that have dealt with the redlining and all the Jim Crow laws that have set them back for decades and decades and has never been corrected.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
There's never been any effort to take these places that have been economically fucked since the beginning of the 20th century and correct it. And instead you're dumping all this money into people that have illegally come here. That to me is where it starts looking like a conspiracy.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I could be wrong. He did. It was wildly unpopular.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Right. Well, that's one of the things that people are so excited about with this Trump union with Tulsi Gabbard and Robert Kennedy is that you're having these movements that seem to be almost impossible to achieve outside of an outsider, like the Make America Healthy Again concept. Right. What are you talking about?
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
You're going to go up against these companies that have been donating to these political parties forever and have allowed them to have these regulations that are allowing them to have these dyes in food that's illegal in our neighboring Canada? What? No one's done that before, right? So that's very exciting. But again, messenger message.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
But the lens that you're describing, the thing that distorts everyone's vision is Donald Trump as a human being. That's the thing. And it's also the media's depiction of him, which has been grossly distorted.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Well, not only that, they've distorted who he is. Whatever flaws Donald Trump has are nothing in comparison to the media's depictions of him.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
And the only repercussions of them lying is a lack of trust that people have for them now.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Particularly look at a debate where they fact-checked Trump multiple times, but they didn't fact-check her.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Not just that, but there's the affidavit by the person from ABC that said she was aware of the questions and that she was told that there were certain things that were going to be off-topic or off-limits, like her record as a DA and also some other person that she's attached to that's involved in something shady. And then on top of it, there was things that she said that were absolutely untrue.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
One of the grossest ones was she saying that we don't have any troops deployed in combat zones. Have you ever seen that one where the troops in the combat zones are going, what the fuck are we doing here? And then Dan Crenshaw, see if you can find Dan Crenshaw's post on Instagram. He...
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a guy who understands the consequences of war, right? Clearly, paid the price personally for serving. But on his Instagram, he laid out how many troops are in active combat zones. It's tens of thousands in multiple combat zones of American citizens.
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#2206 - Chamath Palihapitiya
I think we are too. Thank you very much for being here, man. That was really fun. I really enjoyed it. Thanks. I know you're very busy, so I really appreciate your time. It was a real honor. It was an honor for me as well. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I looked at all the dudes. Now, my dream, let me make sure I didn't steer you wrong on that. My dream was to do these things out of being driven. Like, when I moved to Nashville, I wrote on a chalkboard, write a number one song. You know, win a CMA award. Oh, you had a vision board. I had a little vision board. Nice. But I didn't understand.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I didn't really comprehend the money after that because I didn't know it. And I didn't know, like... Like, people are like, I'm a big Georgia Bulldog fan. And they're like, did you go to Georgia? And I'm like... Buddy, me going to the University of Georgia when I was 18 years old, I mean, I barely – my dad barely got the money for me to go to the community college 12 minutes down the road.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So going to Georgia didn't – I didn't even put it in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's good for your life. I lost my brother and my sister, and my sister's husband passed away. And, man, I lost my brother at 26, my sister at 39, and her husband died at 45. And, man, it is present. The daily appreciation of this deal is visually present.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and I tell people, man, you meet – I tell people, man, really be careful because if you make it to 80, you're going to get popped with something. I don't think you can get through this thing –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
No, no. I'm saying you're going to lose something. You're going to lose something, dear.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You're not going to get through A to Z without really a hard loss. No, that's just a part of life. But some people, man, they're just... Delusional.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I get it from him. Your big horse racing guys, their adjective of themselves is, I'm a degenerate. That's the first thing they say.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Think about, I think about this all the time. I would go stay with a buddy. at his house, and he'd go, man, I rented Faces of Death.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I wouldn't watch them. I'd be like, man, my parents told me not to watch that. He'd go, what? You don't want to watch this guy get electrocuted? And I'm like, fuck no, I don't want to watch a dude get electrocuted. Dude, we're watching people... We're watching people.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, legs breaking. Oh, yeah. I mean, I remember Joe Theismann. When Joe Theismann broke his leg. Dude, it like shut the country down.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, I can see it coming, but I do love... I do love the funny, comical aspect of it that gets me and a cup of coffee dying laughing at some person being a goofball. Or memes.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What's amazing is we've gotten to where we can see the meme happen and predict the meme and the memes on your phone the next day. And you're like.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I mean, there's a million places we can go, but, you know, you look at, Yeah, I mean, the damn children, my kids, I mean, we're yelling at them every day, get up, get off the phone, get outside. They do a good job, but, man, I think it's just a part of their deal.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like my son, he's a 16-year-old quarterback. And, man, he watches all these other quarterbacks. Hell, there are 14 recruiting download sites. And my son's like, that dude right there is the greatest quarterback in the country. I said, well, how old is he, Bo? He's 15, Dad. I'm like, Bo, we don't know what that little shit's going to be. What are you talking about?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He goes, well, Dad, he's a five-star and he's 15. I'm like, Bo, your dad, when I moved to Nashville, I was a one-star country singer. If I'd had a rating next to me and probability of me making it, yeah, it would have been a one-star. I worked myself into hopefully a three-star. Three-star recruit. And he's looking at me like I'm crazy. And so one of those kids... He played them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, my son's not starting. He's backup quarterback to a great quarterback. And we played them and we beat them. We get down. He gets home after the game. I said, what did you think about your little savior there? He goes, he's still the greatest quarterback of all time. I said, boo, he lost the fucking game. He's 15. Just, son, let it – let's let life happen before we anoint.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Exactly. He don't know what's going to – Yeah, you're 15.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, some new Russian exchange student that needs an English tutor.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When I have my 14-year-old go, Dad, I'm anxious about this. I'm like, I didn't know the word anxious. Right. I didn't know the word anxious until I was 35 years old.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It wasn't processed as anxiety. It was processed as like. Life. Yeah. Getting nervous. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got a big test. My stomach hurts. I got to go take a shit. Right, right, right. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But when you transition to that... 30, 40, 50,000 a hand, you'll be down a million or two. And I say, because I've watched some other buddies that bet on that level, I'm talking about like 15 hand swing is an $800,000 swing. And I'm like... But that's the scary part about gambling.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, what amazes me is, man, what breaks my heart is when people think they're all alone in their thing that's hanging up their life.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When you meet somebody and it's all scaled way differently, like when you meet, you know, you know, I've had people, you know, you know, when you when you grow up in a country music band and you're on the bus for hours with buddies and everybody go, they got their own life and then, man, you find out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I had one band member almost kill himself over something that if he'd have just had somebody say, man, I have that too.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And people have got to quit thinking that they're the only ones that have gone through this thing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. That's why you need friends. See, my household was a man. We sat at the dinner table, and, dude, it came out. What? I'm talking about. That's good. And then, but my wife's household was, man, they, you know. Bottled it up. They bottled it up, and it all worked, and we don't know who came out better.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But me and my wife, you know, we work on, like, you know, we work on, like, I mean, like, my wife never saw her mama, like, in the shower before.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
like just shower and you know like walk through the house naked i mean hell we had one bathroom it was like we're a bunch of damn naked idiots running around trying to get to the bathroom and my wife said yeah my mama did not uh shower with the door open and i'm like or and i'm like really she's like i'm like you're kidding me never once i'm like just that's kind of crazy
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
My 16-year-old, so my beard... We're living in our guest house right now because we're doing some work to our main house. Our main house had stuff that just kept happening, and we were like... We're moving out, and when we move back in, have it all fixed. So we got three, we got a 22-year-old, a 16-year-old living in the same house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When my wife stored all of my bathroom stuff, it's in a box somewhere on my shaving gear. I run into my son's bathroom, my 16-year-old, and I grabbed his beard trimmer. I grabbed his fucking trimmer sitting there, and I shaved my beard, and I'm all up under my nose. You smell ball hair? No! No! I get in my truck, and I'm driving down the road. My son gets home from school crying, laughing. What?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dad, you shaved your beard with my ball trimmers. And I was like, you little shit. First of all, I'm like, what in the hell? 16-year-old manscaping? What the fuck's going on? It's a new world. I know. I'm like, dude, I never imagined you had... I don't even think he's... You know, whatever. These damn... It's so fun, man. These kids. My dad... God, it's so amazing. Dude, we were elk hunting, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
My 14-year-old, we got this really cool, when we go elk hunt, we got to wade across a river to get to our elk spot. And the first couple years, man, we just stripped down to our underwear and hung our boots and all our gear on. and walked underwear, and dude, it was kind of like, we're really men, you know? And so Tate and Bo, Bo the first time, I would put him on my shoulders and walk him.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, then after two years, we were like, dude, let's go by and get like eight pairs of waders and sit them on the bank and we'll leave the waders and everybody's like, that's a damn good idea. I'm like, yeah. I mean, how many years does it take y'all to understand, go get some damn waders? So Tate, for the last three years, I've toted him across the river.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I looked at him the last day of the hunt. And this was Tate's year to try to get an elk. And he – actually, Dad, I kind of messed up the elk hunt. I moved and spooked the elk, which was great because he realized that just because you're Luke Bryan's son, you don't get the damn elk. And I said, hey – um, I said, uh, I want to touch you across the river. I said, you're growing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And this probably the last year. So I told him across the river. And then on the way back, he goes, Hey dad, I want to wait it by myself. And man, he, uh, he, what you don't realize how much your kids really are watching you, but we're sitting on the bank and he's watching me. And I sit my bow down and he takes his bow and sits it down. And he watches everything I do and it was cutest thing ever.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When you start, when you don't have much money and you grow into some money, but your level of what you want to press your anxiety level and your endorphins and all that, it grows with your wealth. And, man, next thing you know, you're –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I haven't even told my wife. So every year I take my boots and I tie them in a knot and I, And I hang them and throw them over my, because we're toting gear, and I throw my boots over my shoulders so they don't get wet. And, man, I looked at him, and he's sitting there tying his little string. He stands up and throws them boots.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And he just, man, watching your kids just absorb it is just, you know, it's pretty damn special.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, right. That goes away. Right. Well, it's like the whole, you know, there's a lot in society that... I think we're preyed upon with that thought process, gambling and a lot of- Dopamine hits.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then once one level of the dopamine levels out, then you go to the next one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I can say that- I always have fun with it. I mean, I've always had fun gambling. And a lot of times I take my band after we get off stage and we'd have one band night and I'd like set them all up with some chips. And I've gotten at a craps table where I can kind of manage everybody's bets. And I'm like, don't do that now. Wait, wait.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's kind of like the, you know, steering the mothership. And we had some great nights, you know. just laughing and cutting up and cheering. Like I said, one guy walks up and everybody rubs his head for good. It's just camaraderie at the craps table. I gambled so much at the craps table.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'm out there, like, I'm playing, and I look at my, you know, because they work in teams, you know, and my team comes out on stage, and dude, I was roaring laughing. I'm like, yeah, so.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He was all in with the gambling. One of my dad's famous quotes is – So he flies me out to Vegas when I'm 21 or whatever, and man, I had like, we were in college, and I took like 300 or 400 bucks with me, you know, just broke as shit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then my, you know, because we're obviously southeastern Tennessee Bible Belt. And I don't know, but there's certain states. I guess Tennessee is a legal gambling state because... Or maybe George. I can't tell. I have to talk to my nephews, all of his buddies, and see if they're on the little apps. But, man, they'll go sign their buddies up to get the $200 free.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, you got to pay your 50 cent to do the dollar bet.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Hey, what's up, Luke? This has been a long time in the making.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
the mohegan i'd go play there a couple years i did one night i did three nights there and dude i'm like getting off stage just sitting there gambling and you know i'm like am i coming out ahead on this gig or what but i think i got out there making a little money yeah it's it's weird though that you could do that legally like well then even like in tennessee and tunica back in the day you just put a barge on the mississippi river and you can gamble it's like well what is that all about right that's that show ozark
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, totally the same premise. You know, it's like put a barge on the river and now let's take all these people's money.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, that's the two analogies, degenerate or riverboat gambler. Be careful of all of them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I elk hunt every year in Colorado. Is that where you've done – I've done Colorado.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, first of all, Cam Haynes and I, we've got a connection with Cam. Yeah. Just love that guy. So when I saw Colorado do that, I was like – It's just like, what are we doing, guys?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, we can really dive into this and let's do it. My thing is... We are so governed in the world of wildlife biology through the states and stuff. They're not going to let humans ruin animal populations, I don't think, anymore. No, of course. If anything's going to happen, they're going to mess it up and let animal populations get too big. Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And two hours into the trip, lose my money, and this was like, well, where we still had truck phones, you know, I'm not even sure we were like toting, no, we certainly didn't have like the Motorola Razr where he could just call me, so... He just goes looking for me and he calls my hotel room and he's like, boy, what you doing? He's real southern Georgia.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I was, and I don't know who to name or whatever, but I was with some guys with Wyoming, and we're talking about grizzly bears. And I said, man, you know, because they brought up grizzly bear problems, and I said, well, what is the deal? And they said, well, there's 1,400 to 1,500 grizzly bears in Wyoming. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzly bears. And five of the 1,500 are only hunting humans.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What? But there's not that many human deaths. Well, in Yellowstone, if you pay attention, there's about two or three that get... Right, but those 500 grizzly bears that are just 100 humans... No, five, five, five, not 500. So there's five grizzly bears... Right, there's like five grizz... Sorry, this probably won't be the first time I... I'm not totally clear with you.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But, yeah, so there's 1,400 to 1,500. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzlies. But of those five to six, of all of them, five of them have like, oh, we don't care about salmon anymore. We want to sit by this trail and pick off this hiker. Jesus Christ. And that is a high-up biologist in Wyoming telling me that. And I'm like, well, why won't they let you all go in there?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Let some hunters – think about the – you can do the math. Do a $30,000 grizzly bear tag. Do a $20,000 one. They'll go for that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Go in and let it – manage it right. But there's one federal judge that's got it all shut down. One judge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I went on a bear hunt in Alberta, and there's so many grizzlies now, you can't even go. It was through cams people. John and Jen. Yeah. I saw them recently, and they've had to move.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Was it you that was talking about they were trying to determine a male grizzly versus a male gorilla and who would win?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, but when you think about $30,000, $40,000 per grizzly and then the guiding fee and then the taxidermy.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
All of it. And then at the end of that, nobody's going to let the grizzlies get... Exterminated.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then when you look at the population, how beautiful the elk population is in Colorado, and how amazingly managed it is in Colorado, for public hunters, for a guy like me that can go get an over-the-counter tag, I think they're probably going to wipe out over-the-counter tags for out-of-staters. They're going to make it a draw tag.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then, now the wolves get to eat them, and I don't get to bring my elk hunting money in and give it to the... Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I said, I lost all my damn money and hell with this place. He goes, well, you ain't going to win it back in the goddamn room. So, I mean, once you have that mindset in gambling, certainly, I mean, when that's your dad going.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So I went on a salmon trip up in British Columbia. And what – 99% of your interpretation of a grizzly is this big old fat chunky thing. Well, so we're flying in on these helicopters to go – The salmon runs that are running up into the mountains of British Columbia. And it's an amazing trip.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like you fly over in the helicopter, you look down, you see the huge schools of salmon, you take your fly rod and you go catch them and drink your beer. Well, helicopter pilot was like, hey, man, we've seen some grizzlies. In the area, just – and, you know, at the time, we're like, man, this is all part of the – Experience. Yeah, it's like get us kind of going a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, we land, and the night before, we didn't fish that day, so we'd flown in and drank some wine. And, dude, you know, my eyes are like fuzzy, and we're fishing, and I tell my guy I'm with, I'm like, hey, I'm going to go to the helicopter and get a beer or something. And, dude, I get there, and I pop my beer, and I'm like – I look down the river, and I'm like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fuck, that is a fucking grizzly coming toward my buddy. And I went, Jay! And dude, it was slim and like a damn, it was lean and like a greyhound. Not, I wouldn't say lean, but it hadn't got all fat on salmon yet. Well, it comes down the bank. And jumps in and we ease back to the helicopter. We look back, here comes another grizzly, literally 30 yards from us.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I'm like, we get there and I'd left my beer on the bank and my grizzly sticks his tongue in my beer. And then he jumps in the river. I run, grab the beer, drink. I'm like, grizzly spit. Anyway, the helicopter pilot goes. You did not drink a beer.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Some berry infection or salmon infection. Moose ass. So listen, dude, we get on the helicopter and the pilot's like, man, they're getting too comfortable. We take off, fly a mile down the river. I'd already had my fly rod together. I never broke it down, so I sat it in a little basket, and we land.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I take off about 200 yards, start fishing, and I had to slide down this 20-foot cut bank where the river had cut the bank. I look across the river, and here comes a grizzly bear galloping on the other side of the river. And I'm like, well, I've already seen the other two mature ones. And I was like, well, that's a baby grizzly. I was like, that's cute.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And so that's been a famous saying when my buddies, you know, when they're down and out, down two or three grand, and they're pouting over the bar, you know, you're not going to win it back at the goddamn bar. But I did – I went through phases where, you know, I never really got financially behind when I didn't have money. I would just – I controlled it pretty well.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, that grizzly hits that bank on the other side of that river and jumps about 20 feet in the air and lands in that river. It looked like a Volkswagen VW bug hit that river. I take off to the helicopter. All my guys are like, get here, get here. A mother and two of the babies were on my tail.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when I got to the helicopter, dude, ruined my whole trip. I couldn't relax.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, they're the ones that... They fuck everybody up. Yeah. In two seconds.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The thing about it with me, now listen, I grew up deer hunting my whole life, ducks, dove, quail, and man, I always had a soft spot for bears. And probably I still, it's not like I got to go shoot bears every year. I mean, whatever. But when you find out, when you hear you are a hunter and there are...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like when I met John and Jenny, and they were like, Luke, there are so many that need to be managed. I was like, man, that's cool. Let's go do a bear hunt. Had a great time and didn't get all heady with killing a bear. I mean, I know guys in Tennessee, in Gatlinburg, Joe. I mean, dude, they are darting black bears off second-story Holiday Inn balconies. They're digging in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they dart them and move them back into the Smoky Mountains.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I did my two years out there. I never really had any big beats or anything like that. But I do love to just – man, I love to just sit there, have a drink, have a cigar, and watch Dice and Cards because you're just not – you're just sitting there and your mind's checked out. Right. It's like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Joe, my mother lives in Mexico Beach, Florida. On the panhandle.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they, like, trash cans turned over every day. Crazy amounts in South Georgia and Florida.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So down in the furthest, most southern corner of Georgia, Bainbridge, Georgia, and all that, and then Mexico Beach, Florida, around Lake Seminole. I mean, they're everywhere down there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, it's... You know, like I said, I'm not the... That's a perfect shot. I think there's healthy numbers of all of it. And like I said, when I see... You know, when you see... I don't know. Wolves and Elks.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, you see they got it in a slide. They had to put it in a... Well... That's crazy.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and you know, the sad part about, I think, California, you know, the whole... The gallbladder deal, I don't know much about that, but there was a black market for black bear gallbladders.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
No different than going to the driving range and hitting golf balls or sitting on the bank fishing or sitting in a deer stand. But I got out of there. I got all my gambling, at least for now, out of my system. But it was great to meet your kids there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Did you ever see the guy that filmed the 10-minute grizzly fight?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, they're going to... That's the thing. I think it's no different than... I mean, I grew up in South Georgia with gators and... Yeah, same thing. You get one comfortable with you, man, and it's— Not good. It is not good at all.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I had whitetail hunting. And I remember, man, you know, being a 14-year-old kid shooting a deer and having remorse. But then you need to have that remorse, too, as a hunter. You need to understand. You're taking a life. Yes. And you need to. And I tell my boys that. My boys have grown up in it seriously. And I'm like, hey, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, it was a fun show because we got to really do a lot of bells and whistles out there that aren't available on normal shows when you're out touring and stuff because you're having to take down stuff, be real mobile out there. We put a lot of stuff in the room. Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. And then and listen, you know, the success rate of the proper ethical things always line up that that that you know, you don't the success rate doesn't always go like you wanted it to. Right. And but, you know, the fact that. Hunters still are working every day just to keep hunting, and the fact that hunting is declining so bad.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
One of the best... Things that's just naturally happened at our house. And my wife is, you know, my wife's like typical housewife, plays tennis, great shape, doesn't, you know, when she kind of eats like a bird when she does eat. But man, she will call me and she'll go, hey, let's have elk night. And because we keep our freezer in my garage and I've got all my tackle in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And she has through the years understood that. Like, hey, I'm going to run out to the freezer. We're going to do taco night. I'm going to throw all the elk meat in the sink and start thawing it. And, man, over the last five years. I've woke up and we haven't had beef, cattle, hamburger, tacos, spaghettis, bolognese. We haven't eaten it in five years at my house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It takes you a minute to go, hey, put it in the freezer and then plan your dinner. We all get busy with kids and stuff like that, but I'm so proud of her that she'll call me and be like, Hey, I'm going out to the freezer. Do you want me to get these elk tenderloins? Because by the time me and my... I got three children that go out there with me now, and two or three of us will get one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, we got enough meat. Like, it's awesome that... It's the best food.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, when you pat out an elk patty hamburger, like, your hands have nothing on it. Right. Like, I mean, you could take beef patty and just like... It's just like...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And we had our routine. I mean, I had my room and, you know, about 6.30 I'd hop in the shower, run down there and get on stage about 8.30 and knock it out. And 10.30... Somewhere at a craps table.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, yeah, and, yeah, when you can go, like, we, at my place, my deer place in southern Tennessee, yeah, man, we just, we make sure, man, I got a big walk-in cooler there. And if we're not going to take something in there, I've got some red stag at my place in Tennessee. I did a high fence down there. So between stag and white tail and elk, you know, we're moving meat around and making jerky.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We, um. It's interesting because Tennessee is very, very strict on their whitetail.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my 14 year old has been going to Colorado with me since he was five or six. And when they're that little, obviously they can't bow hunt, but we would get an elk down. And I'd let the boys hike up with me and pack the elk out. And one day we had another hunter with us going to get an elk. And my two little ones were following me. And I said, well, we had an elk bugle.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I said, hey, boys, stay right here. And they're six and eight. And we went up the hill and I could keep, well, Tate, right before I walked off, he goes, dad. Are they going to kill us if we sit here? Because those elk bugle, I mean, you can feel their bugles in the woods. And I said, no, son. You can feel them in your chest. So we went up and tried to call this elk in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then some elk did actually cross in front of them. And there's six and eight just sitting there, this big herd of elk coming by. And we come back. And I was watching. I could see them sitting down there on this tall log that I put them on. And I got back and they were like. I mean, you know, having your boys, I mean, that's what I live for.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I just wish we could create a narrative where getting your children doing that will, I mean, I don't know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
What is this? That is the tricky part, really, with all outdoors. If you could bridge the gap between... all parts of urban life and allow urban life to find a place to go But we went through a phase in outdoors where landowners were like, if you hunt my land and you twist your ankle and break your leg, you're going to sue me. So no, you're not allowed to come hunt my land.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So all the deer get overpopulated, eat all my crops. And then, so I think now states, I think Tennessee has put a law into where some of those getting sued. Well, what I'm saying is that feeds people's, Inability to go find somewhere to hunt, too. I mean, so many people don't have a 50 acre farm. They can't afford it, but they want to go hunt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then I just hope the hunting community and even the whole outdoor community can make it more accessible and landowners. I mean, I had this little lady that that. I wanted a turkey hunt. She had 60 acres that bordered like a 300-acre track of mine. And I was like, ma'am, when I'm out hunting and some of my turkeys or our turkeys may cross onto your property, do you mind if I go?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And her house is a mile away from home. Or it's 50 acres. It's probably 400 yards. She thought my shotgun was going to shoot through her house and kill her. And I had to spend 45 minutes. And she grew up in Tennessee in the country. And she doesn't understand that a shotgun is not, you know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And so, man, the education of it all, just the bridge and the knowledge of it gradually gets worse and worse.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But the need for it gets greater and greater. And I tell my children all the time, I'm like, boys. There is no drug in the world. And I'm not a, you know, I'm a pretty straight guy. I've never done much of that. But I said, I got a lot of crazy buddies that have. And when a big elk's walking in or a big whitetail or you hook a big fish, the adrenaline from that, no drug will replace it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, here's the beauty of all that in the outdoors. You know, when you – here, these are mild. They're good, though.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's good. Man, when you kind of conquer one level of fishing or hunting, then there's another one you can go learn the space in. You know what I'm saying? You can go... And what I say is, like, I just... I mean, from the elk hunter that I was... The elk hunter that I was 10 years ago, like, took so much... Took so much work... To even get from a 10% knowledgeable elk hunter to a 60%.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, I can watch that elk react to everything and know how that elk's reacting because I've done it for 11, 12 years now. And I've taken my boys. Well, so when you get tired of whitetail hunting and whitetail hunting gets rudimentary, then go try to dig in and take it to the next level to challenge yourself.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So we were able to keep that. Keep that a good little secret to them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's what's so fun about, like, when I got, I was always a bass fisherman, always a bass fisherman, never a fly fisherman. Well, then I got into fly fisherman, and that became the new seven-year challenge that I... You tie your own flies? I can now, the little, I can tie big streamers. Right. But, like, the little bitty... Where you gotta get, like, goggles on and shit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's a real art form. Totally. One of the most rewarding things you can do is make your own fly and trick a big fish with it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The handling of the trout, like when I was, you know, I grew up bass fishing and we're like, and the bass flies out of the water. We grab it and, you know, as kids we're like, ah, we throw it, you know, you catch a trout and it's like a, it's like a creature. Yeah, it's like a team in the delivery room comes in to hold the brand-new baby. Heck, they treat newborns.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They're slapping newborns around and getting their lungs going before you mishandle a trout. But the whole mystique of trout and all of this stuff is just, man, it's outlets for all of us. I mean, I remember when I moved to Nashville, man, my dad, he kept me.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fishing and hunting and he wound up being a pretty dang successful business guy and he all he told me he goes dude when you move to nashville don't forget to take time to go do that stuff and you know for about two or three years Man, I didn't. I was focusing on my career. But now as I roll out, you know, as I'm kind of... Established. You know, man, it's been the highlight.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And the fact that three boys landed in my life, like, you know, my wife's like, it's not even fair that you have... Because I can always use one of them. I was like, well, baby Bo, you know, he's really been stressed at school and he wants to hunt this evening. She's like... I know your game. I know your game.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's why, you know, you hope—the whole education of hunting and landowners and conservation of the animals and all the land ties into where, you know, landowners need to— have a better understanding of, man, give this old boy a break. Give this guy that just knocked on your door and asked permission the good old-fashioned way, man, give him a break and let him take his son or go hunt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, I had a guy shoot a stag. First year, I put my stag in my fence, shot him right off the road. Really? Left him. Man. Oh, my God. You talk about pissed. Right off the road.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I don't know. You know, I guess enough whiskey and an old back road and a rifle, you'll— Shitty education, bad childhood, all of the above.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But yeah, I mean, I look at... I've got Till, my nephew, he's lived with me since he was 12 and then Till's 22 now and Bo is 16 and Tate is 14. And Till was 15 when he killed his first elk. The rule has been if you can pull 55 pounds, you're ready to hunt. And so Bo is a lot bigger than Tate. When he was 13 and 14, he said, Bo, my 13-year-old killed a full-grown elk at 13. Whoa.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
With a bow. Whoa. Totally the frigging most badass thing I've ever seen.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, he did it, and he earned it. And like I said, I've been hiking him up those hills. That's what another—like, the hunting and the killing is—man, when you pack out a damn 800-pound animal, the first time I packed my elk out, dude, when I got to the Polaris, I mean, I was like— I was sobbing like from exertion, like delusional because we took a wrong turn.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We hit a big Aspen blowdown, and I had to tote the head and the cape out, and I had to walk over blown-down Aspens with that cape. And once we got 500 yards into the blowdown— And, man, we got to that buggy. And all the elk hunting guides, they're the toughest dudes. Oh, yeah, they're doing that all year long.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They're the toughest guys. I tell people, man, if I get called to a serious— If I get called in in a serious war, I'm calling my elk guides. That's my first call. But, you know, and I didn't grow up ever thinking I'd have the opportunity or the ability to go hunt elk. But once you start doing it and – but, you know, man, this week I killed – Thursday I killed my biggest whitetail I ever did.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I was so – I'm so – like overwhelmed by killing it. I haven't even like, I don't even know if I've enjoyed it yet because it was, it kind of happened fast, but it's just so fun. You got a picture? How big is it? It was big. So listen now, and so I didn't post it because it's obviously in my high fence and you know the, you know, but man, this deer was born in the fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
In Tennessee, you can't bring any genetics in. You can't do anything, whatever herd you have, Whatever wild Tennessee deer you have, you have to grow them. And man, this deer, Joe, when he was two years old, we were like, what in the fuck? What a UFO ship dropped this off in here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He started with huge mass, different looking genetics, and we watched him for, we grew him for, we feel like he's five and a half. Whoa. Dude, we are over the moon about this deer.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I bet y'all, were you betting with them too at that time?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I guess all together it's probably 1,200 acres in the fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'll put it to you this way. We put about 18 red stag in there. We don't know how many there are. That deer might have got fucked by a stag. I think he might have. I think his mom. Yeah, he might have crossed. A hybrid, yeah. Dude, we will ride around. We have too many stag, and we'll try to thin them out. Joe, we can't find them. Like... Literally, like, we'll spend a day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I'm like, hey, grab the rifle. We're going to pull up here, walk this bottom. Can't find them. There's 60 of them in there. We hunted them for four days this weekend. We killed two.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Don't get in any trouble now either. Don't lose the gig.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and I – you know, listen, I mean, there are a million ways you can criticize me for having the high fence. But, you know, I have low fences that we bounce back and forth on the low fences. Because that's fun as hell, too, to not know what's walking in. But the main thing is I wanted my boys to have the ability to manage deer and grow them. And I grew up – I love South Texas.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Big, big – I love South Texas deer hunt. Like – But I learned, I leased a South Texas place down here. And then I learned having young children and my schedule, man, to go on a South Texas ranch, commit that much to a South Texas ranch, and get five days there wasn't my thing. So my high fence in Tennessee is kind of like my little ode or my little homage to my love for South Texas whitetails.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So you can keep it close. Keep it close. It's 55 minutes from the house.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's a retreat. I get down there. You know, Starlink has ruined us because now we have Internet. But before that, man, we'd pull in the hauler down there and you'd have to drive up to the hill to make a phone call. But, oh, Elon saved us on that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, what was funny is the first time we saw the satellites come over, we were at elk camp. You know, my nephew, Till, he's 21, and we're all liquored up. And my nephew, he goes, guys, I know we've been drinking all day, but what in the hell is coming toward us right now? And we were like, and then we had one guy in the group was like, God damn, that's Elon Musk.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, my wife, when I went to elk camp, my wife was like, all right, I'll hear you. I'll see you. I'll talk to you in six days. First day, elk camp, set the Starlink out, FaceTime.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I hunt South Texas every year, and the ranch we went to last year, At any given moment, you can drive and pick up 50 backpacks. They just... That ranch looks like... And I hadn't been... This ranch was closer to the border than I've ever been. And there are piles of backpacks and tarps. You know, they'll take tarps and...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
put the tarp out, and they'll wait in the day, and then they get picked up at night, typically. But when they get picked up, they chunk their backpack. The ranch I was at, they have to have a full-time team of people just going around picking up backpacks and keeping trash off the ranch.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's heartbreaking because, dude, if anybody, dude, I can't imagine having to walk through that brush to get to freedom. Right. And not knowing where you're going. Not knowing where you're going and probably you have kids.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, when I leave South Texas, I'm pulling cactuses out of my ass for a month.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Especially if you do, you know, you go rattle for them and stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And water, yeah. When you think about, man, you get your water rations. Yeah. You miss that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Every ranch I've went to, the ranch owner, you know, they're encountering two deaths a year, 15 to 20. Most of the time they come up to the main headquarters needing water. And when they get to you – or that's been my experience with talking to ranch managers down there – They're very, you know, they're not, I don't think they're there to create any problems.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, I think, you know, and even imagine before, like, the oil booms and oil rigs and stuff. Like, now they have a little bit of visual lights to walk to.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I don't know. I mean, you know, we've been there, and, you know, the guys, they open box blinds. You know, they're hunting towers, and there's a family sleeping in the box blind. Man, you just got to feel so sorry for them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, how bad—I mean, I thought—I mean, dude, I remember when I was— 15, 16 years old, processing Cubans where it's so bad that you're going to fucking piece together a raft and you're going to give it a go for Miami.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I remember being 16 going, how bad must that be? How bad must that be? Pretty fucking bad. Pretty fucking bad.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's from Africa to Cuba to Venezuela. The whole African... Yeah. That whole...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I haven't, but I know I will. I can go on this show and say, man, I'm not one of those guys that's thinking about an elephant or lions and all that. I love to bow hunt, and I like plains animals, you know. Your kudos and all that stuff, man. When my boys get a little older and we can do a proper two-month – currently, sports and my children have ruined my hunting life.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So, thank you. Well, Vegas, you know, that was wrapping up Vegas. So, yeah, that was a fun two years of residency there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, because my boys are going to play all the sports. But when we can get a – I'd love to do them a gap year and let's go do a true safari.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when I say safari, that doesn't mean I want to go hunt 60 days. I want to see all of the Serengetis and all of the animals and take in the animals for a month and have the wives and the girls and the girlfriends and we sit out there and do the safaris. But then I want to carve out two or three days where all the boys go hunting. You know, go get the true Plains game.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I would love – man, I tell you, it's a pretty cool story. My pilot, my lead pilot is South African. And during COVID, man, he couldn't – his mother was dying, and he couldn't get down there to tell his mother bye. And at this point, I just kind of got to know AJ. And, man – I've always heard that South Africans are pretty badass dudes.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And at the time, I was learning that AJ's a pretty badass dude. I didn't altogether know it, but... Well, he got with me, and he goes, Luke, man, it's still – I cannot get into South Africa.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It may have been his mother or his wife's mother, but I called some local guys, some local Congress guys in Tennessee, and they granted him permission to get down there, and they got to tell either his wife's mother by it. Well, he comes back, and he's like, Luke, I now owe you a Cape Buffalo. What? And I was like, what? He goes, my family has a big ranch. We're overrun with Cape Buffalo.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you now have one of my Cape Buffalo. So, dude, he is going to fly me down there. And I'm like, that's just kind of the way he's wired. But, you know, he's going to help us with some safari stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
yeah now they are bad yeah you you don't just go running up to them yeah like with with your not your shit together that's a big animal that's like a 1800 pound animal right maybe bigger and like all muscle
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The true form of like, yeah, no, that's even a whole nother level of true organics when it takes you.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, when you're jerky, jerky right out of the right out of the, you know, right in the field.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean – Because most plains animals in Africa, historically, they say are far beyond our plains animals as far as the meat. Like your kudus and your – I mean, I'm drawing a blank on all the plains games. And like I said, this is stuff that I'm like –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
totally elementary in because i don't i just don't know much about that whole african thing it seems like the things that the big cats want to eat are all delicious right yeah like uh i shot a meal guy a couple years ago and tigers eat them right did you ever eat the meal yes delicious and the meat is like a even more vivid a more vivid red uh color to it than even our you know our elk and stuff
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Sit there and pick them off. They know what they're doing. Well, have you done Africa? Are you going to do it? I would like to. I'd like to go over to Africa just to see it. So you really got it. Cam, was he kind of your catalyst?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, God, I mean, it's like you had— It's like you had – Michael Jordan teach you how to play basketball. Yeah, Michael Jordan teach you how to shoot free throws. Yeah. It's so fun, though. But, you know, even with – I tell you, man, I dove hard into duck hunting. And you talk about – you talk about, I mean, learning to blow a duck call.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And when you think you know how to blow a duck call and you get next to somebody that blows a duck call and you blow yours and the room starts laughing at you, like ridicule, like – Take your duck call off and put it in your bedroom and leave it when we go hunting. And I'm like, dude, I've been working on this fucking thing for four years. And they're like, and it's so funny.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Listen, man, let me tell you something. Dude, I got given a chocolate lab about eight years ago. And here comes this wormy-ass chocolate lab into my home, you know, scrawny. And since then, oh, my God, that damn animal has thrust me into duck hunting just so I could take him duck hunting.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But, man, and my wife is – this dog, man – This dog can open every drawer in our house. He can open Frito-Lays with his – he can smack Frito-Lays open and eat them. He can – he is – he's pushed a porcelain pound cake, a pound cake on a porcelain island off onto the floor, ate the pound cake and the porcelain dish, and – Like, X-ray, 100 shards of porcelain in his stomach.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The vet's like, put that fucker out in the yard. And if he makes it, if he lives, call me back. He lived. And now I have duck hunting properties. And we're in the house blowing duck calls. My wife's like... I mean, my wife's like four boys in the house, all of them blowing duck calls. She's like, man, one day, yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We have elevated blinds that are brushed in and some brush. And then we have pit blinds that are, you know, when you get down in a pit blind. And then you lift it up. Yeah, you're right along the water level. And then...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
you know we have uh you know there's experiences where you wade in the woods and they they come down in the woods and and man it's just uh and and it's uh the thing about the thing that really makes duck hunting kind of like when you're in a blind with your with your let's just say you got your buddies from way back and there's five of you and you're sitting there smoking cigars and you know you're you're in the blind together and you're it's very social too drinking coffee it's
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
you know, 15 degrees, coffee, cigar, you know, and everybody's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. And you work the ducks. They light in front of you. You kill them. The dog gets them, brings the duck back. You look at the duck, and you're just like... You just have a big old toke on your cigar and you're like, yeah, this is pretty good shit right here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, man. You know, the thing about it, when you do, you know, your grain ducks, your ducks that feed on your rice and your corn. You know, like a diver duck that eats essentially minnows. Yeah, you don't want to eat that. And geese, geeser. You find somebody that can cook a goose. You know the story about how to cook a goose?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you get a big pot and you put a bunch of water and then you put a concrete cinder block in there and you boil the goose and you pull the goose out and eat the cinder block. But some people can make a speckled goose. Speckled bellies are good. But like a mallard and a wood duck. Oh, man, a wood duck with jalapeno and cheese and bacon wrap, which nothing's bad when you do that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Whoever the hell Jesse is. He's a wizard. Well, that's great. He's a real chef. So Ryan Seacrest, he's like, hey, man. Ryan Seacrest, the radio guy? My guy, yeah, at American Idol. And Seacrest goes, hey, I've got a... You need a light? Yeah. He goes, dude, I booked this at EMP, 11 Madison Park. Number one, at the time, number one restaurant in downtown. You know, Adam was...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Ryan was taking me and Katie and Lionel to dinner. And I've never been to certainly the number one restaurant in the world. Well, they take us to tour the kitchen. And, dude, they have ducks, walls. Because all of your French cuisine, really the centerpiece is duck. That's like the duck fat. The ducks are the real big part of French cuisine. Well, dude, I see these…
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I see all these ducks, and I'm like, what are y'all doing here? He goes, man, we're aging them. So they get these. Now, they're getting probably there. They're getting farm-raised, organically grown ducks, and they age them with the guts in them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, dude, man, I ate duck. But it sketches me out. Yeah. Well, here's the tricky part, because... Dude, I don't even know if I enjoyed my meal because I picked the chef's brain because I wanted to figure out a way to take my mallards and all my ducks I killed and age them properly. But what you do got to worry about is when you shoot them, you know, you're shooting.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The guts are going through kind of in the meat a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, I haven't got that good where I all headshot them yet, but...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I think it's just above. They're not freezing them. I think it's however you would dry age a cow.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Probably 40 degrees and 13, 15 days with the guts in them.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's the guy that ate the first oyster, right? The guy who drank out of the puddle. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it is fascinating in pheasant. And when you look at pheasant and quail and chuckers and... You know, Hungarian partridge now, you're talking about the end all of wild game, in my opinion, at the top of the... That's what you like the most?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I think when you look at the pheasants, you know, they call them prairie chickens, and they're beautiful. The meat's a little whiter and less gamier, so...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, they're wild little creatures too, man. You know, when you take your lab sandhill crane hunting, you've got to fit them with goggles. Because they'll poke their eyes out? Yeah. Whoa. And then... I just got in a golf course property down in Florida, and we sold our beach house, and then we're kind of migrating to this place.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I fly down to the tour of the property, and I'm like, dude. what are y'all doing with all these sandhill cranes? And they're like, what do you mean? It's like a golf course guy. And I said, dude, that's the ribeye of the sky, bro. He's like, he looked it up, and you can't shoot sandhill cranes in Florida. What? Somebody call the governor. Everywhere. Really? Everywhere on this property.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Unless they're lying to me because they're scared I'm going to go, like, I'm going to, like, you know, have a psychotic episode and go running out through the golf course with the guns.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You couldn't shoot sandhill cranes. They may be protected in certain counties. But, you know, even in Tennessee, Florida Senate protected under the federal— They're protected under the Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Wow, they're protected. Well, in Tennessee, we have – in Tennessee, there's a couple guys that guide them, and I think it's a draw tag. You can draw – you can put in to draw a sandhill crane tag, and then, man, they make a very distinct – something like that. And dude, you can hear them and I'll hear them coming over my farm.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, uh, God, if, if that's the wrong noise I just made, I'm going to get, uh, sounds good. I'm going to, you got it. Whoa. I love this guy. I need me one. That's them. Now that's all of them. Yeah. That's you hear that?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, oh God, here he goes. Oh, my gosh. This is like the grip. Jamie will find it. Sandhill crane goggles for labs. This is going to be great.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I guess you've seen those dogs in those side cars on the... Motorcycles? On the motorcycles. Probably that rig. But...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
i don't think that's the same yeah that's that's like uh that's an aspen that's two dogs being silly yeah yeah but um the um yeah so in tennessee you you can hire a guy and he'll take you and they'll kind of get them coming in an area and i think you get it oh there it goes oh wow oh that's crazy now those look like i think those are snow geese snow geese are probably the same look at their goggles all scratched up too yeah
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
crane hunt no those are yeah those are sand hills wow that's crazy dogs need to have their eyes protected yeah so when you when you get yeah well you got your golden but man if you get you alive and oh man beware of that because you will get hooked you'll you'll start i'm sure i would be also i love duck duck's delicious oh on the grill marinated in a marinated properly for
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's what you've got to watch in all wild game is, man, plan it. Preparation. Get it marinated, and, man, you just can't beat it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He was – I think he was drunk and hated us on Fourth of July because he stayed up smoking the Boston Bud every night. You know, I remember my dad, man. He had that old charbroil out there, and he'd get up with his vinegar and all his shit, and he would wake up all night, night before the Fourth, and smoke them Buds, man.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But now you just walk out, put that thing on 220 at about 8 p.m., wake up at 8 a.m., and –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, I did two years, 26 shows per year. Dude, man. Vegas will take a little piece of your soul.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and we're in the heart of it in Texas, you know, right here. I mean, these guys take a damn... Propane tanks. They glue four propane tanks together and have a smokestack. And the guy that – what's our guy that does our charity event? Oh, my God, I can't believe – I'll come up with him. Mark, text me –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
meat church have you met the meat church dude i've met that dude yeah yeah he comes and he's got some awesome rubs he's got all that but then what's funny is yeah he pulled up to our charity event with this big smoker and man i'm like this is like elon musk style engineering on this thing it's pretty you know and man you know they get out there and yeah they'll look at me and you doing tragers and we're that's about like us that's our version of having a tutu on
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
See what I— When I moved to Nashville, being a South Georgia boy, I'd never even heard of brisket. Really? We only knew pork barbecue. So when I moved to Nashville and then there's some dude there with a Texas brisket restaurant in Nashville, I'm like, what are they talking about brisket? And this was 2001 I moved to Nashville. This is how insulated you could be in your own...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, as we talk about the ways of the world changing, I mean, it's like, dude, I lived in a section and everybody, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, they didn't. Brisket was like.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And they're probably cooking, yeah, the preferred cuts of like, which cut of the brisket would you like? Not the old brisket.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, not the ones big as this table, but, you know, about that long. 100-pounder. Yeah. And walk up there on the family reunion, and all the women were grossed out because, you know, you're just pulling the big pig. You know, you can pull that meat off a pig. It's like that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Which you know all the math, and I'm sure you've brought it up on how many sow pigs. They'll kick off 30 pigs a year annually. They can, yeah. And then we would have them roll through our front yard, $30,000 damage a night. Yeah. And for anybody out there listening, if you have this going on, we mounted lights in all the trees around our whole lodge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you flip them lights on, and we haven't had one wild hog root up our yard since.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They will not come around those lights. It's a great tactic.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and when somebody told him, some good old boy told him, and he was like, man, we'll try anything. You would walk out there, and it looked like 300 landmines went off. And the night before, our yard looked like Augusta.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, if, you know, I don't know, you know, my children, I took my boys. And somewhere there's a, you know, I hope he doesn't hear, but there's a Navy SEAL Marine recruiter because my sons are ready for warfare after doing that. I'm like, but, you know, the guy that we took, you know, he's got a big, beautiful high fence.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, if you fly around, man, you can, you know, he has to thin them out every year. Yeah, you have to. But it's so fun doing it out of a helicopter. You don't want to thin them all out because you keep wanting to do it a little bit. Yeah. But you hadn't done that yet?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, the... Our pig stuff in Georgia, man, it's fun because you can go on a deer hunt and shoot some deer with a bow, and then we'll take a rifle, and late in the evening the hogs will come out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Like thermals. We have guys with the big trap doors that trap them and stuff like that. So, I mean, they're probably the number one – You know, wildlife. I never will forget, you know, right when like maybe iPhones come out and you get your iPhone news updates. And then I never even knew what the magazine like the New Yorker was or like the Guardian and all those things.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the New Yorker, I'm scrolling through and I see feral pigs. And it was this huge article done by a guy, maybe the editor of the New Yorker. Man, he did a great job with that article and just went through everything. And this was 15 years ago I read that article about, you know, the feral hog problems. And, you know, you would think – I don't know.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I would think the New Yorker leans quite left. But the fact that this guy wrote the article from a perspective of huge problem – Need to be dealt with was a pretty badass take on it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, in Georgia and these swampy deals, you can't helicopter them there. So that's when you get these old boys with their dogs and they run off in the – That'll help.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You think about this. So when I start my high fence, the year that I started it – Our turkey population in Tennessee, which it's been going through hell, and you'll hear this, the turkey population in Tennessee was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I mean, eastern turkey hunting, one of the most beautiful things in the wildlife that the state of Tennessee has. And
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And night one had over 100 varmints. Coons, possums, armadillos in the traps night one.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, a turkey lays 12... to 14 eggs. Now, listen, I found this out this year. If I can get a couple nuggets that you hadn't learned yet, that's kind of the goal for the day. So a turkey does not lay their eggs all at the same time.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They lay their eggs one day at a time. They lay it next to a water source. They go to the water source, hold the water in their mouth, drip the water on the eggs periodically, using the water to hatch them at the same time. Because a hen turkey, if she had to hatch, all the eggs hatch at the same time. But if she had to hatch them for 12 days, she could never keep them corralled properly. Oh.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So she manipulates with water. And if I'm wrong... Now, this is a biologist that told me this. I heard this this year. Totally blew my mind. So in the nest, and I've walked up on them, they got 12 or 13 of them sitting there beautifully. And whatever that hen does, she manages those eggs to hatch at the same time. Wow.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And maybe... Now, like a tortoise, I guess, or a beach turtle or whatever, I think they... They spit them all out that night. But a hen turkey does not. Well, so one armadillo rolls by that nest.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That's a wrap. She just lost them all. And so there was a big study that went on in Tennessee about the decline of the turkey population.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, first of all – well, you know, well, trapping now is so rare. You know, trapping – the art of trapping has gone down quite a bit, and the arm of the – oh, and I'm not even bringing up coyotes in Tennessee, but – So, yeah, if they can loosen up, Tennessee can loosen up their trapping laws and make it more available. And you just got to thin out those.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know, armadillos in Tennessee, you would have never. Man, we woke up and we can ride around and shoot 30 a night.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I wouldn't recommend touching them. They say they do, but that's – Do people eat them? I'd never heard of that, but you probably can find somebody. They definitely eat raccoons. They definitely eat raccoons and definitely – I don't know about possums, but if you're eating a possum, your ass is hungry.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
had had several old timers man they'd get them a coon and it was always a kind of a party deal you know what does raccoon taste like i never had i never well we got an old buddy down there he's like you know what bald eagle tastes like owl so i guess you can say raccoon you know i had a buddy of mine tell a game warden that joke it didn't go over well so but uh there's a lot of shit that people eat that people would go what yeah i mean when you're talking about
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I hadn't done that. I've had gator tail, but I hadn't had that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Put the whole thing on there. Yeah. And they skin it and all that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. You know what's crazy in Georgia? There's a place, rural. So all the chicken farms down there, huge chicken farms, all of them. Well, what do you do with the chicken carcasses? Well, I mean, there's a lot. They used to grind them up and feed them back to the chickens. But some of them, well, they feed them to gator farms.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, you talk about the most foul smell on the planet. Go into a gator farm warehouse. Joe. Buddy. Just rot. Nothing can replicate. Maybe the Sir Straman Challenge can replicate, you know, the whole Sir Straman joke thing. What's that? You've seen where the guys pop the lid on the Swedish fish? No. Oh, Joe! Sir Straman? What is it? Oh, we did it at our deer camp.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's like an aged sweetest fish that's rotten in a can. It's aged? For years. Like a sardine. And so, yeah, the Sustraman Challenge.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And if you can stay in the room with it... Have you tried it? Dude, no one. No, I was outside 15 yards from it throwing up in the flower bed.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, when you think of Denver and Colorado and the outdoors, man, you've got to appreciate everybody's opinion of, you know, the – I mean, it's a so old term, the granolaist. But it ain't granola no more. I mean, it's –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, they're going to be saying yay when they're down. I don't know, dude.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's no different than the grizzly focusing on humans. Man, I live just south of Nashville. We've got 180 acres. I've got neighborhoods all around us, man. About every now and then, email goes out. Little Fluffy's gone. Coyotes? We put six coyote traps out on my farm one night. Six for six.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And let me tell you what else is a little vicious son of a bitch. A fucking otter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Otters will fuck you up. Let me tell you, buddy, those things are... I mean, Joe, I'm so... Like I said, my brain is bass fishing and all this stuff. Man, we'll have otters come up into my bass pond. And fuck those bass up. I'm talking about... They're fucking gone, the fish, in three nights.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the thing about it is, like, all of that... Get to Vegas and, like, you know, you run to the craps table or blackjack table your whole life getting to Vegas. Dude, I got all that. I'm like, I get to Vegas. I'm like, man, let's just sit in the room, watch a little sports. And I got the gambling out of the system.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The fish are gone. And the otters... Eat one and play with the other ones that they kill. Wow. And, like, you go by my lake. Like, I have an all-female bass lake at my house, which this is a whole other fun deal. They will roll through there and eat my all-females and just throw them up on the bank. There's carcasses.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you get four otters in your pond on a 17-acre lake. They'll eat 20 bass a night. The problem is you don't know you've been got until you've been got. Wow. So, Joe, to grow a 10-pound bass is about $3,000. And think about it. I've been loving on these damn fish. I've been walking out there, making sure they're happy so we can all catch them. And damn, damn, damn, my otters roll.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
with so they're like okay we got to put a stop to this which is too bad because it was fucking it's nice to notice if i was unscrupulous i had a little so i went my whole life no sports betting through college i mean my i through college i'd walk in and my buddies back then they'd spliced 78 tvs together and they're they got all their they got all their notes and i'm like
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So if you have an overflow, a spillway on your farm, and it runs through your farm and dumps into a major river body of water, and that otter swims by that water dumping in that river, He is up that river. He's up that spillway into your lake, and he has got you. Wow. And we'll put traps out, dude. And, man, they just keep coming. Wow. Keep coming. And I'm talking about otter pelts.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, we've got enough where, you know, we've got them skinned out in freezers and rolled up in our freezers. And my farm guys, I mean, I think they're – but, you know, the sad part is the market for that should be an amazing market. But I don't – I think – because everybody's scared to say they got a damn otter pelt.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's weird. But damn otters, man. Them little rascals. You know, they... I'm building a lake at my place in Georgia, and it's right on the Flint River.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's so fun. It's so damn fun. It's four hours of my day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It's totally—and it is not for myself. You can't—my enjoyment is to watch— My buddies, my children's friends come enjoy it too. My sons will bring a buddy home from school. And next thing you know, Tate and his 13-year-old buddy are shooting bows in the front yard all weekend. And this kid, who doesn't have a dad that hunts... Or has the ability.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got one kid, my Tate's buddy James, his eighth consecutive weekend at my house hunting. Just loving life, shooting bow and arrows.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Got him dialed in. He shot his first doe this weekend. Nice. Just so fun. And so, you know, when you meet these guys, they don't let anybody else enjoy it. I don't like those guys either. Yeah. And, you know, I love to enjoy it with people. But, you know, the bass fishing thing is a blast. But my lake in Georgia is going to be about 35 acres, and I think we'll do an all-female lake down there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You put them in, and they don't have to be pregnant. They just have to have the big eggs, and when they lay them, they just have to have a male not fertilize them. That's right, of course. So if you get a male in there... Then the male – then you have a natural thriving – He'll eat the babies too, though, right? A male – bass will forage on themselves. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But male – now, I have three lakes that are naturally – their own ecosystem where we have to, you know, I've got an 82 acre bass Lake that we have to catch 3,500 pounds of bass a year just to keep them from not choking themselves out. Really? Oh yeah. It's 3,500 pounds.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, we have bass roundups, and we get out there, and we catch them, and we'll load up coolers and take them into the little towns and give them to people. I mean, it becomes a problem.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, bluegills... You know, like, all the bluegills at my lake are... We feed them pellet food so they'll get big, so the bass will eat them, so the bass will get big. And you don't want to go eat a bluegill that's been parked under a pellet. Yeah. But...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
A little wild bluegill stream or a little natural creek where I grew up in Georgia, like shell crackers and bluegill that eat like a cricket or that are eating live stuff. You fillet one of them real small creek or river bluegills. Fry them up. Oh, nothing better in the world. And bass is similar to that. Oh, bass. It's a nice flaky white meat.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I'm like, dude, no wonder you got all D's and you're about to get shipped out of college. But I survived all that. And me and a buddy, we started picking two games a week. And we would load up. And this was like six years ago, five years ago. So I would load up like $20,000 a game. But I was strict, and I had my deal. And we'd bet, I mean, just take Alabama and the points in the first half.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Flaky white meat, get you a three or four pound bass, fillet it like a red snapper.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We spent our whole life, my dad would catch bass, we would fillet them. He'd put them in a Pyrex dish, saute them, bake them, and then broil them on top. And we'd eat largemouth bass, you know. You could either have salmon croquettes that stink up the whole house. Yeah. You know, where you knew your mama was cooking them, or you can have fresh bass, you know, so we grew up.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But isn't it a weird animal, or weird fish, rather, that a lot of people don't eat, but it's good to eat? Well, you know, you wouldn't want everybody fishing your big reservoirs. Like, Texas is the best big bass lake reservoir state in the country. You wouldn't want everybody out there keeping them. You know, you want to practice...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You want to practice catch and release on your big public reservoirs. Right. But, you know, when you've got a private impoundment where, you know, you want to keep your bass because your bass, you'll wake up. Let's just say you've got a nice brand-new bass lake you built, 10 acres. You stock it. You spend 50 grand to put your bluegill, all your fish in there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, then you just don't ever catch them. Well, then in five years, you've lost it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You have to manage it. Yeah, you're done. Your lake's done. Your three-pound bass didn't have enough fish to get to four pounds, and then he missed a year of growing, or she missed a year of growing. And then you just put a $50,000 investment in your bass lake, and then you're out.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. See, I'm not that dude. Now, I'll wait and hunt it. You know, I'm not a... Like, I don't have to have the biggest, best animal my whole life. Like, I don't... You know, some people, they're like... They get into numbers. They're size queens. Yeah. Or score. I'm not that guy. I'm an experienced. Let's have fun. Let's see a lot of animals. Let's catch a lot of fish. Let's keep a lot of action.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know. When my boys were four and five, you don't want to take them out there on their first three bass fishing trips and you burn them in the hot sun and they catch one fish. You want them engaged and get them going. Pike and all that, steelheading, that northwest steelheading. Catching one, man, I don't – that's just – I hadn't done that. I can't do that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, those are the – yeah, those are high on the list of – especially like sea run steelheads. You know, you have some that are kind of locked in, you know, locked in the reservoir locked. But you get those big sea run steelheads, and they really hold them. And they should hold them in high regard. You shouldn't – You need to leave those alone and let them come and go.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I would still say you're in the majority. Yeah. I think that's how it should be.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, you know, and then they make bumper tips on bows. You can doink deer in the ass and run them off. And they're like, why are you doinking a deer in the ass?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah. Well, you know, man, listen, dude. I grew up, you know, my little town of Leesburg, man. I mean, every year I got a pellet gun for Christmas. And I got a full...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
camo onesie or a coverall and dude i put my new pair of chippewa hunting boots i put my new set of uh i put my new set of coveralls on with the camo pattern i'd hit the neighborhood walking around with a pellet gun shooting the neighbor squirrels And, you know, we'd eat them every now and then. This little old lady, Mabel Coxwell, we'd skin them and she'd fry them with some wild rice.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It tastes good. If you cook a squirrel and do it right, man, it ain't nothing wrong with a squirrel. Isn't that crazy that most people don't know that? Right.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Instead of chicken and dumplings, squirrel dumplings. You know, you get a squirrel and clean it right and brine it for the night and cook it with dumplings and put some onions and celery and all that and you're off to the races.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, the fact that I could run rampant at nine years old through the neighborhood riding my Honda 50 motorcycle through people's backyards chasing squirrels, and everybody's like, thank you, that damn thing's been in my attic chewing up my Pink Panther insulation for...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You do that. Most of the year, I mean, it was 80%. So we did well. And then my buddy moved away from me, and we quit talking about it. And then I went rogue for like two years. I was betting like Utah State at, you know, the West Coast game, midnight, just throwing bets in. And I was like, man, I'm out. So I stopped.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, and I think, you know, I think it's all true, too. I think the beauty is now the education of, you know, I mean, you look at, you know, you look at how great, you know, carnivore diets are being, you know, I've never done like a big old carnivore. Have you ever done a big carnivore? Oh, yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, like I said, the best thing about what you do here is you give everybody their platform to talk about their way. Yeah. And, you know, your platform is enlightening. I mean, you know, dude, I've never, you know, I was around some dude that was talking about, you know, microdosing mushrooms and all that. Dude, I never saw a drug. I never saw a drug. Until I was 30.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, I was 39 years old before I did any tobacco. Really? Never dipped. My dad kept Levi Garrett, Taylor's Pride. The only time he wasn't chewing meant he had a life insurance policy. He had to get blood work and didn't want to fail his life insurance policy. But I was 39. My mom, you know, my mom's a character. She, you know, but never did tobacco, never dipped.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I put one dip in one time and threw up outside my high school. This old boy threw me a dip in and, dude, big old Kodiak, and I threw up outside the high school gymnasium and missed my – fifth and sixth period, and I was like, dude, I don't need that.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Oh, you can just, oh, although, and what I was getting at is I was sitting, we were celebrating an album release. I was 39 years old and one of my best buddies. brought a nice Davidoff Churchill cigar. And any cigar I'd ever done, I had smoked a cigar like in Vegas. And most time back then, you know, I done drank a handle of crown and smoked a cigar.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And you wake up the next morning, you're like, you know, your life's over essentially. Well, it's probably the handle of crown. Well, we smoked that cigar and I sat in my rocking chair. And just smoked that cigar. And I was like, man, this is kind of... It's kind of nice. This is kind of like therapy right here.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
They are chilled. They are universally chilled out. But it's a drug. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Here's the deal. And I'll call my buddy every now and then. And he was my buddy that bought me the cigar. He was a lifelong Copenhagen and cigarettes here and quitting. And I called him. I'll call him periodically, and I'm like... You asshole. I'm stopping at a grocery. I'm stopping at a random cigar shop.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I've gone four days without a cigar and I'm riding down the road and I determine right now I need one. You know, you weave across four lanes of traffic, find a, you know, and then next thing you know, you're smoking a grocery store. I mean, a gas station cigar to just, but hey, it keeps you, keeps you, keeps the head clean.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Now, my mother, dude, Salem Ultralight 100s, three packs a day.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, listen, my mom, man, dude, she, Joe, she's curbed the beer a little bit, but she'll drink her a couple of duels, but she's going to have her one or two Bud Lights.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Every day. She's going, three packs, but she's like a... You know, it's like if she's walking into the Dillard's or to the TJ Maxx, she's like, oh, my God, I'm walking in. Take a couple of puffs. Take a couple and hit, you know, litter the parking lot. But she'll pan fry a ribeye in butter. Pan fries a ribeye. That's probably what's keeping her alive.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Especially if you've dipped your toe into that world of like... And I've got buddies that do parlays. I'm not even sure I even understand the inner workings of parlays now. And teasers and all that. I'm so removed from that level of sport. So-and-so's going to get four layups at the half. Man, that's opening up Pandora's box there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Pan fries a ribeye, fries some shoestring French fries. And that's her damn meal four to five nights a week for 76 glorious years.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I hope she's probably at a pack and a half. But, man, when you do the math, when I used to sit her down and do math, you know, her and my dad were married 32 years and divorced. And so when she went out kind of on her own, I'd sit her down and do the math on four Bud Lights, two and a half packs of Salem's, and four pan fried ribeyes. That becomes a damn number annually.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know what? But through the years, I've gotten Miller Lite endorsements. I would get Miller Lite. I'd be like, Mama. There's a Miller Lite truck pulling up to your house. It's going to deliver you a pallet of Miller Lite.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Just try to fall in love with Miller Lite. Right. Nope. Bud Lite. I'd get home two months after the pallet got there. There the pallet sits. Calling my buddies.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
He let it go after a while. He did. I love him. He's been a damn good buddy of mine and has come to my charity event. He's a wild boy. He's awesome. I love that dude. He's a lot of fun. He's awesome. But when I saw him do that, I was like...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And then, you know, my wife's dad is a Budweiser fucking 12-pack-a-day dude, man. And, you know, he had to— He had to hear a little shit from his buddies about it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Anheuser-Busch taught us that beer is wonderful for Christmas, and Clydesdales and Dalmatians are the equivalent of Jesus and Christmas.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, I would cry over the Dalmatian Clydesdale commercial. You remember the little puppy?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You're happy. Yeah, and then there's the one where it's the Dalmatian, too, that grew up and then got to the old Dalmatian. And the little, you know, they're riding, and the young Dalmatian sees the old Dalmatian. And I think the old Dalmatian kicks the bucket, and then the new Dalmatian takes its place. And then you're like, oh, my God, it's the best thing ever.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
The worst. The dumbest move. Well, you know, when you look at country music, too, I mean, with country music, I mean... It is what it is. There's things that it is. And you've got to love on what it is. And then you've got to grow it, too. I mean, there's sensible ways to grow it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Buddy, with every successful music artist that's ever lived... They may have faked you out, any genre, but country is even... Country's tough. Because once you show any unauthenticity, buddy, you're done. You're done. I can imagine. Like, dude, I mean... Yeah. Like, dude, my biggest... Like, when I... Man, you know, I got... My thing was tight jeans.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Hey, dude, so I saw you at the—I'm a giant Georgia fan. And I saw you, obviously, on the sideline on Saturday and just, man, some of those calls.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You wouldn't imagine me wearing tight jeans on stage how much that pisses people off.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude, and then I'm like... Bring back Merle Haggard. What the fuck is this? So, Joe, you know, one thing, you know... My biggest hurdle ever in my career, and it still breaks my heart to this day. My only way to make it in music is you've got to stop people's eyeballs on you. You've got to grab them. Vocally, visually, musically different.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You got to get them to stop for two seconds and go, what is that fucker doing right there? And when I came out with Country Girl Shake It For Me on the CMA shaking my ass, I mean, I had to do it that way. In my opinion, I had to go, this is my moment to show country girls shaking for me and I'm the guy that dances and don't give a damn and let's have some fun and come along for the ride.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it was amazing. It was amazing. You know, the fact that I'm a Georgia boy at the time and I was talking to Texas people, I was talking to everybody. Well, then at some point a label for me became Bro Country.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
had you ever even heard that term i did i did because of you yeah well so i heard it and i'm like well bro country well then i started seeing the people making fun of bro country and i'm like this is kind of fucking pissing me off and then and then me and some other artists start getting looped into this bro country phase well
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
When I was in my form of coming up as an artist, and I don't even know, we don't have to live on this long, but you'll be amazed, dude. So I would go play. I made my way by going to Georgia and playing Georgia college towns. In the southeast, and even I played Auburn a little bit, Auburn, Alabama.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that school, I always wanted to break into Auburn and Tuscaloosa because I was always a Georgia artist. Well, I started branching out. Well, dude, I'd get done with a college party. I'd walk off stage. The first thing that would happen... It's, you know, three, six, nine. Damn, she fine. Give it to me. Give it to me one more time. Get low. Get low.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, and right when my set got done, hip hop. the vibe went to a nightclub. And I'm standing... I done walked off the stage, went to the bar, ordered the beer, and watched everybody that just let me play Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, all the classics, my couple of new songs. And I was like, well, man, this is... Nobody's got a fucking problem with this. We're all together in this good time.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So when I did Country Girl Shake It, for me, that made that tie. Crossover. It combined them. It made it tie to a little bit. And then Jason Aldean had his, she's country girl. Fucking biggest song. When I heard... I mean, at the time when... Jason and I are buddies. He does She's Country. I do Country Goes Shaker. Me and him are like... We're like, this shit... Our lives are...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, I toured with Jason one year, and he broke all of Elvis' indoor records. We did it for two years. I was the opener, and Jason was the headliner. And people and rap was – we were playing rap before the show. And everybody was – well, then Bro Country comes along. Dude, I wake up on the bus one morning, and I got this interview.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
sitting there drinking my coffee in my fucking underwear, and this dude calls me with Hits Magazine, and he goes, well, Luke, you know, man, this bro country thing. And I said, well, hold up, buddy. Here's what this is. And I said, and man, I did this, and I made one fatal error. And at the time, Joe... No one hated my ass. I believe that. I mean, because I was coming to Billy Bob's playing.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I mean, what a weekend for Austin, too. Yeah, it was incredible. Because I had buddies... I had buddies that were like, why are you not coming? And I'm like, man, I've had to be me all year. And it's like the weather's chilly in Nashville. My boys want to go deer hunting. I'm going to take them deer hunting, sit on my back patio and scream at the TV. But it got a little dicey there on the back.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, I had Texas. I had the I had the I had I'd go to I'd go to Bozeman, Montana and play country girl. Shake it for me. I'd go to everywhere. Well, and I said, man, I don't know how to be an outlaw. I'm not an outlaw. I'm a college dude that played frat parties for country music. I fucking did not go sit in a prison cell like Merle Haggard and write songs about guys going to death row.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I didn't go to Folsom Prison. And man, I listed all that. I was like, I'm not like Willie Nelson. I don't do Willie Nelson. They're outlaws. And I said, if it's bro country and that's what I'm labeled as, I said, and where I fucked up, as I said, I haven't spent the night like sleeping on the street. And I didn't say, like Johnny Cash's song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's what I meant.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I just didn't tie it. Well, that dude took that article and said, Luke Bryan says outlaw country people are basically... drug addicts that sleep in the street. And, man, I pissed that whole – the way they manipulated that story, I lost that whole crowd right then.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Broke my heart. And, like, I think Waylon Jennings' daughter went real public with being – I mean, she was fucking mad at my ass. And, dude, she went on there going, you know, Luke, my dad never laid – and I never meant that. I just meant – Yeah, Waylon was in there, too.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
But we all know what all those guys are because we got to watch all the documentaries about those guys, and we got to be students of those guys. Well, that's the problem with interviews is, first of all, they're trying to get you. Well, your interviews are the beauty.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And no one's gotten popped more than you because they'll take our – man, I hope we sit here and bullshit for three hours, but they'll take your five minutes. Right. Out of context. And now they'll AI you. That's happened a lot. So what happened, man, that thing started growing. And, man, I had motorcycle gangs wanting to burn my house down. Oh, my God. When you get misrepresented in—
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
That type of deal. And then the subcategories of articles, then the article of the article of the article. What year was this? Man, I don't know. It was probably 2012 or 13. So this was when social media was not as impactful. It was becoming... Was YouTube even around then? Yes, and clickbait, the world of clickbait was getting rocking.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So what I did is, man, I called Waylon Jennings' daughter and said, I said, ma'am, I just forgot to say, like the Chris Christopherson song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's all I meant by that. And I think she accepted. I called, I text Willie. He sent me the best reply. He goes... He goes, it's okay to step on your dick, just don't stand on it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I called Jesse Colter, and she goes, Luke, what did you mean in the interview? And I told her. And she goes, Waylon stopped doing print interview. But by then, the narrative started. And since then, I can always tell that if that one little thing, I probably would have kept that whole base going. And then the, oh my God, he wears tight jeans and he must homosexual on the side.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my album came out. I worked on an album for three years. It's called Mind of a Country Boy, and I put it out like 1st of October. And I didn't want to put the damn album out. Because the reality is I'm not at the height. Every artist hits their peak. You know it. I mean, I sold out. I was selling out football stadiums first day. Three or four years I did it. I know that's my peak probably.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I know it is. Fuck, I'm not going to even say probably. I'm a realist. Well, so we put the album out, and I said, you know what? No albums sell well. Nothing sells anymore. So I knew there was going to be a negative take on the album. I knew something negative would come by me putting the album out based on it may not sell. And it sold what it did. It did what I thought it'd do.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Nothing's buying. Well, dude, I did 20, 40. I did 40 hours of 40 hours of, you know, all the stuff.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Because the editor's ass is about to get canned. Yeah, exactly. Because his company just got bought by a big conglomerate. Exactly. That's why artists should just stay away from that shit. Well, and you do, and I knew it. What sucks...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
You know the deal. I mean, I grew up in South Georgia. And, you know, we've raised our dang kids like colorblind. It's so awesome. I'm so proud of their colorblindness.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I got to shoot the cannon. Boom. Did you shoot it through the Georgia shirt, that one? Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I've been doing it for nine damn years. And I have cried with everybody. When those kids come in, they are – everybody walking through that door is a microcosm of America. And, man, I've sat there and loved and loved and learned.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Nothing is more amazing. amazing than watching a broken kid that's been told they're not good. And they come from everywhere. Man, the craziest thing is the kids that were raised in the homes of doctors. that the doctor family can't wrap their head around my child wanting to go try this fucking music thing. What? We're doctors. We're doctors.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, man, when they branch out and the family gets behind them and then they go and follow their dreams, and, man, it's really – Yeah, he doesn't get old. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a fun chair to be in. It's a fun chair to be in because that door opens and it's a life that comes in and you don't know what the hell...
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We have a note or two like, just lost their father to cancer three months ago from a small town. But other than that, man, we don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. And it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, when I just moved to Nashville when American Idol was... I mean, 40 million viewers a week.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Did you used to gamble a lot? You know, I've always been, I've never been a sports gambler. My dad, my... But my dad raised me to kind of be a poker player kind of kid. He was like a – I mean, I used to joke, if my dad didn't play poker, we'd have never had Santa Claus. I mean, he was just a crazy little poker player and like a little pool hustler. And then – Oh, so he was all in.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And the, you know, the tone in Nashville is that's the cheap route to get famous. Because I came up through, you got to play a thousand nightclubs. You got to go, you got to go through, you got to meet the record labels. You got to do the radio. You got to go meet everybody at radio. So the whole town of Nashville was like, well, it's not totally fair that they get to just pop on TV. And, and,
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
insert you know and and skip all the but now i mean now all that's gone which is great well here's an example oliver anthony totally oliver anthony has one song he releases it's the most pull up that song because this fucking song this dude when i release it it's just a camera and him with his guitar i heard it
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, man, it was a good win for Georgia. And like I said, both those programs are just so incredible.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I was like, holy shit, that's fucking amazing, and holy shit, that guy better have some songs to come behind it.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Yeah, and God, you know, the beauty of... Idol is, and guys like this, there's so many avenues now. You can go the old-fashioned route. You can go the quick route. You can go the idol route. You can go stream on, you know, you can go video yourself on all your social platforms and the right song can blow you up. And then you got to go do the real work.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And that's what we tell the kids. You've got to have other bullets in your chamber. That's what we tell the kids on Idol now. I think when Idol was really, really, obviously, when Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood won and even people after that, they went their ass to work, too. It's an insane opportunity. It's insane.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Through the years, Kirby and I have gotten to be – Pretty good buddies. Kirby can't be buddies with anybody because that job requires – I've never seen a requirement of a job more than being a college. It's probably like being a president. It is. And so I don't text Kirby during the season, really.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And, you know, these kids on Idol now, they love seeing their social media platforms change. Go up a thousand percent and it's worth it. And, you know, we you know, and there's going to be bumps in the road. And it's you know, it's still you know, it's still you know, there's going to be a, you know, a group of people saying, you know, American Idol may exploit these kids.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Man, I'm in the back – I'm behind the scenes on everything, and, man, we won't – you know, they won't – when we get a kid that we love, man, we sit around, we go to dinner, and we talk about that kid and love them. And I think, you know, these kids –
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
leave it going man that was a great experience for them i hope so but you know i'm sure they do and it is an insane opportunity if you want to be a professional musician and you want to make a career out of it it's one of the most unbelievable moments you got to do your path yeah you got my path was my path and it was unique to mine and because yours is different that don't mean i need to hate you for it there's a lot of that shit with comedians today too
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
It is a new world. Why wouldn't we all want someone else to win? Right. What is wrong... What's wrong with people winning? It's like you have figured out how to feed yourself with a guitar.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And make a living. And... And you know, all like, man, like I said, dude, I won't even post my damn deer I killed. Because I don't want to get online and be there with a glass of wine at 3 a.m. and start motherfucking people. Like, dude, I want to kill them. And like I said, you get over it, you get over it, but man, it pisses you off.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Not the positive comments, but the negative comments. I started a thing, you know, and I know you've got people in your world where... man, you know, there's assholes and you'll huddle up and you'll spend an hour talking about how you can't believe how big an asshole that person is. Yeah. And I'm like, guys, we're 15 minutes in on talking about this person being an asshole.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
We wasted 15 minutes on us trying to figure out why can't they stop being an asshole?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
I know he – man, just watching what those guys go through trying to manage these big programs like that. I mean, and when they're not coaching, I mean, dude, they are politicking – I mean, they got to go to the steak supper for this touchdown club here. So, man, it's a wild ride what those dudes go through.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And I've gotten conscious where when I see other buddies doing it, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Get out of there.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
So my wife, for her 40th birthday, man, I surprised her and I rented her. Never done anything. We rented like a 120-foot boat and took all our college friends down to St. Bart's for New Year's. Have you ever heard of this scene?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Joe, so first of all, I mean, this boat that we got is a 120-foot Westport. Beautiful. We get the same boat.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
And it's in St. Barts, and they all float there for New Year's.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Dude. And my captain of that little boat, which that boat looked like... Our boat that we were on looked like their shuttle boats. Right. And my captain, I said, did you ever pilot one of those? He goes, oh, yeah. I said, what were they doing on there? He goes, looking at the other boats, wondering. Yeah.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
fucking billion dollar yacht and pissed at the other billion dollar yacht yeah that's real they're all in competition with each other and they're all hating you know and and i'm entering in yeah you just got to get your little world like my little world now tight my little tennessee hunting world i tell people all the time they're like come on down to my ranch oh man i got i got my little deal yeah it's enough stay sane
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Well, you know, I remember dreaming. Did you lay in bed and just be like, I remember dreaming about trying to do it and how I was going to go. Are you going to get rich? How am I going to get? I wouldn't say rich. How am I going to be able to have my own bass pond?
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Because I would have to call other people and get permission.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
Going, hey, you know, Farmer Johnson, can I go fish your bass lake? I don't know, Luke. Not today. I'd be like... And so I remember doing that. And then when you start achieving it, man, I still, I mean, I don't think I'm living in that world of like the other digging. You know, I think you can for a minute. Yeah. I think you can for a little bit.
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#2216 - Luke Bryan
See, I'm out of that. And I didn't really get into that heavily even when I was betting regular games. But, man, it's freedom. Man, I just watch the games with freedom, and I don't get in, you know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She might be making it up, but she might be telling the truth, which makes sense, where you're like, your whole world is like, what is life? I'm going to die real soon, and they can't fix this, and you're just, the car's fucking up, and you don't even care. That could be it. The patch is open. You don't even care.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm not against someone doing those. That's like Anthony Jesselman.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He has a shit ton of jokes like that. Of course, yeah. They're great. People enjoy it. It's not bad. It's not bad comedy. It's like, but... At least with a guy like Jeselnik, you should know what you're getting into. And don't try to pretend there's something wrong with what he's saying, but all these other people don't have a problem with it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's why it's so dangerous. But the only way they're going to find out that's the kind of stuff you do is if you take those risks and do that kind of stuff and get in trouble.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But you also, you got in, I think... The filming thing is fucking strange, right? Because some people want to get filmed because you can get some clips like interacting with the audience. Right. But it's like you have to have an opportunity to work out stuff.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because there's times when you're on stage and you're saying things and you have a new bit and you don't know where you're taking it while you're taking it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, obviously he's an audience member that released it, but the comics that criticized him, like, hey man, fuck...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
you like you pretend first of all the guy didn't do comedy for 10 months yeah and then second the stuff that he was saying if you know him and you know his act and i guarantee you fucking do because a lot of those people are just haters yeah if you know him you know given enough time he would make that horrible premise really fucking funny frankly it was pretty funny then pretty funny then
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, it's horrible that he's saying, like, push the fat kid in front of you. But that's funny. But you don't think there would be layers upon layers that would make that joke brilliant in a year if you just let him do it? And you learn the cushions. Like, he didn't have the cushions.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, exactly. And if you understand how jokes are developed.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There's too many people that got into it from something else, and they did stand up in the beginning, and then they got into it again. They considered themselves stand-ups. And then they'll come out and criticize something like this. And you go, just shut the fuck up, man. You're not even doing it right. Yeah, you're not.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You're not even doing it right. You saying that this is bad, come on, man. This is how everybody creates material.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
except for all your listeners it's like you've got to have a place where you can fuck around and that's the problem with like filming all the time because there's there's things that like you'll start a bit off when you first start writing it and start making it it's like it's so different than when it finishes you've got to be able to find that and not have people see it yeah not have people see it because it's you know comedy is like you want people to see the finished product but it's embarrassing until then you're
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, it's fun to watch as an audience member, though. One of my favorite things is watching a bit develop.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Watching someone come up with an initial premise, and maybe they come in the green room. We're all brainstorming and trying to figure out what part is, where is it going to get clunky?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Because some people are rigid. And this is a problem that open micers have in beginning comics is they started doing a bit a very certain way. So they're kind of comfortable saying it that way. And they're uncomfortable on stage already. Right. So they keep saying it the same way. That's the death of comedy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know what you're saying. I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment. You can't be just reading a script.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Why? What is upsetting you or making you laugh hysterically about the subject?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you talk to Bill in the green room, that's the same guy. Yeah, if I fucking told him.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He's just psychotic. You can call him right now. Bring up something that annoys. Listen to you, you fuck. You know what my favorite is? When he's on a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously. Like he was on with Bill Maher and he was just chewing Bill Maher up. And then he was on Charlamagne Tha God and he was chewing him up. I love it. I love it. He's the best at that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, he's the king. He's amazing. He's the best at breaking down. Yeah, look at you.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He has a unique talent for it. A unique talent for anything he's talking about. It's just being himself.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. It's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have something in common. And I think one thing that everybody has in common is the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them. I know, because you're like, I don't really care about this.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
People are like, yeah, there's something there. I'm like, I know, but right now I don't give a fuck about it, so I have to leave it alone for a little bit. If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell. Yeah, there were some bits that killed when I first started doing them, and then they got a little flat, and I was like, what is going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's also I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit. Right. You know, sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight. It stays at an eight. Exactly. It never hits a ten. Sometimes you've got to trim. Sometimes you keep them in. If they make a point, if they're like,
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
bizarrely ironic or there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it, even though it's not the funniest joke. It's worth it because of Little Hills and Valleys.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, yeah, with an hour. But sometimes you just got to set it aside and then sometimes I'll come back to it. You know, I have like a whole folder that I call Orphaned Babies and it's all bits that never made it on anything. That's great to keep a record.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I forget them sometimes or a friend brings them up. What about the hyena thing? I'm like, I fucking forgot that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Exactly, right, to keep the bits together so they're coherent sometimes. But in my head, I'm like, ugh. I think everybody should have a folder that they just put on. Everybody should write. I mean, I know everybody likes to write on stage, and I get it, and there's some of the greats that write on stage.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Go over my shit. Yeah, like with a fine-tooth comb So I wound up writing out all my bits that I've done hundreds of times write them out Exactly word for word just drill it into my head and then I was preparing for this. I was like I Should probably be doing this all the time I should probably be doing, not just when I'm getting ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know. It's like, it's funny. We have our own schedule. We get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing. Yeah. Because if we were like a prodigy and, you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head. And, you know, like Duncan, I'm pretty sure he released this bit so I could say, he might not have. Fuck. But he's got a great bit about Adderall.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No, but I don't know. I think he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on, so I don't want to say it. But he's got this great Adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. I said, do you remember that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Advice, as long as it's not rigid, is really good. Because you really can't tell people how to do things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out. What's a good advice? Good advice is write a lot, listen to your recordings. That was one thing, this guy Mike Donovan. I got real lucky that I started out in Boston in the 80s, and there was all these local headliners that were awesome. I mean, world class, but they were local, and they stayed local.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And one of them was this guy, Mike Donovan. And Mike Donovan, he always had a, this is back in the day when you had cassette recorders that were big, like a fucking box of cigars. And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage. He goes, you never know. He goes, you might have a new tagline in that moment. That's crazy. And then you'll forget about it if you don't listen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that was some of the best advice I'd ever heard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He was just a smart dude. And he just figured out that you got to do that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, you've got to analyze yourself like a hater.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Hedberg.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, at a certain point in time. I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've talked about it. I think we're going to do it. And what I want to do is have, outside of podcasts, to just have an interview with headliners when they come into town. And tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic? Wow. What was it like? How'd you feel?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How'd you get started? Did someone influence you? Did someone ask you to do it? I love it. What were your first road gigs? Just, not a podcast where, like, it'd be me talking about my stories, but just, like, I always want to know 100% an interview.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A conversation, but an interview. And just, you know, so that it's archived for comics. Because you remember, like, when you were starting, I mean, 17 years ago, right? Yeah. You could get a couple of books. There was a few books.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Richard Belzer had a book on stand-up, but it was kind of like tongue-in-cheek. Right, right. The Comedy Bible for that woman.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But there was nothing written by anybody who was really good. No. So that was part of the problem. Belzer was good, but nothing written by like a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Lenny Bruce.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, we thought about doing that at the store back in the day. We were talking about doing comedy classes where a comic, like a headliner, would come in. And I know Ari did this quite a few times. Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He set up a seminar for free for all the local comics. Told them, this is how you get a manager. This is how you get an agent. This is how you get stage time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This is what you should do to organize your set. And fucking amazing resource for free. He did it for like two and a half hours. So Ari was doing that for a while, but there's nothing like that for comics coming up. Everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because if you could start out now, and you can go on YouTube, first of all, you have access to everything. Red Fox, Rodney Changerfield, fucking everything that's ever been is online. Lenny Bruce, you watch Lenny Bruce recordings right now. It was impossible to find that shit when we started.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, the thing about Lenny was no one had ever talked like that publicly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The whole world changed the way they think about things and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal. So he's doing normal things to us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out. It was something that everybody saw. It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen The Wizard of Oz.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, that makes sense. Like, what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin? There's no regulation back then. They're just like, let's try this. Also, they had just got done with, like, think about, that was like thalidomide babies back then, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Or that was actually later. Thalidomide babies, wasn't that like in the 60s? but they had the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches. Right, right, right. So that radio, what was that called?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Radium girls, yeah. It was horrific. Holes in their face and shit. Their tongues would rot out of their mouths. It was zero. Nobody told them anything because they would lick the tip of their brush because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic? Because you don't know how bad you suck until you see it. And people didn't know how bad that kind of behavior was until you see it. Go to watch the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face. And he was the hero. And then they'd kiss each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
the problematic parts i just find them like really funny you ever see the one where it's like an old western and the guy is spanking his wife and the kid comes along and says uh do you like i know why you're spanking mommy it's because you love her and then he's like that's right son it's so nuts like the woman is over the guy's knees and he's spanking her that's it's out of love you know that's
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But this is like something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie. I mean, that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality. Well, every 80s movie, people are like, you got to watch this. Here it is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's awful. This is not the one where the guy, the wife... I mean, he's beating her with a piece of metal, and what a great show. Oh, my God. What a great movie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And he spanks her, too. So he's carrying her away. Look, he's spanking her in front of everybody. Look at them watching. This is so crazy. That's insane. Not just spanking, but spanking in public. Not just, like, he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They both have black eyes. And he's got his arm around her. Oh, sweetie, I got the job. What the fuck is that movie about? We just look evil when we look back in the past. And we're just like, slap, spanker, spanker. And by the way, they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people. Of course, yeah. Well, we change. We move at our own pace.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. And so we had to look at the cave painting and go, that is kind of fucked up that you stabbed that guy with a spear. I remember that. It goes from that to movies and plays, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right? Nobody could speak Latin. So they could tell them whatever. They'd take the priest's word for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think there was a lot of that going on. That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The priest is like, kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now. Isn't it nuts? Isn't it nuts that that is kind of a dead language? Like, you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Forget that demographic. Oh, yeah, those folks. Well, they usually talk in tongues. They're not even doing Latin. They're going... They throw it a little.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's because you're younger than me. I know. When I was a boy, that movie was fucking terrifying. I saw that movie, I was real young. Like, I probably shouldn't have been able to see it. Like, what year did that movie come out?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I saw that movie when I was six. Yeah, my parents let me see all the scary movies.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She said some wild shit while she was doing it too. Like, fuck my cunt. Fuck my cunt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie. She got really fucked up from doing these. Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil. Everybody knows you. You're famous now. And you're famous for being the fucking devil. That's insane. So everywhere you go, people are scared of you. Ah!
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Suck cocks in hell. Jesus Christ. You probably never heard the end of it. And that was another movie that everybody saw.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I get it, but I think it's because we are living in 2024. We're heathens now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Disturbing. And now it's South Park. Yeah, it's totally normal. Now they're sticking things up their butts in cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now. And that's, again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Bruce stuff and then trying to listen to it. He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it. Because it was so brilliant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But it was when homosexuality was illegal back then. And he goes, being gay is illegal, dig? What do they do when they catch you? They put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you. This is a great joke. He has great jokes. It's just... You don't... If you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien. Like, who is this guy?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, well, New York City cold showers in the winter are brutal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, I don't think Anthony Jeselnik is really offensive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, it's a style of comedy. His style of comedy was condescending, I'm smarter than you, and here's some amazing points about life. And so I liked it. I like that. Hicks, you mean? Yeah, Hicks. Like when Hicks would talk about things, he would talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid. Like this is why. Right. And I'm telling you how it should be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that's what people didn't like about it. But that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like, there were some points that that's really kind of the only way, if you want to deliver it the way he does it, it's really kind of the only way you can do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, he had... brilliant shit about the war. They have sophisticated weapons. How do you know? We check the receipts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
When I was a kid, when I used to do martial arts, there was this dude I used to work out with named Bob Caffarella, and he was like a real psycho. And Bob used to always take cold showers. He said it was good for the spirit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time. He had interesting subjects.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Do you remember that bit? Yeah, I do. I kind of remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger, and the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12-foot cage. They didn't even put a roof on it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I would have given everything to see the look on their face when that thing touched the top of the bars. Yeah, they were like. When the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over, the flood of chemicals that must go into your mind.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Off the charts. That's a high. Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life. That's like a cold plunge times 10,000. Well, it's like undeniable. You're dying right now. It's coming for you. It's a 600-pound super predator.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
One could survive. I think the kid who threw the pine cones unfortunately survived. I think his buddy got taken out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think his buddy went to help him. Oh, my God. I don't know the whole story. I mean, who knows? It was probably just chaos.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And we would all be sitting around going, what the fuck is wrong with him? This guy's in the shower. It was January in Boston, and this guy's in the shower just fucking freezing hot.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you have a monster in the city, in a box, put a fucking roof on the box.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on? Is it that expensive? I think they want to make it feel like it's free. Fuck that. It's not free. No, yeah. They shouldn't be there. I don't agree with zoos at all. You don't like zoos? No.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two-year-old staring at a hippo.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But the reality is they're prisons. They're prisons for animals that didn't do anything wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're not all getting killed. They're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's definitely bad. Well, I used to have a joke about that, too, about the only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes. They're having a great time. They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. Like, another day with no lions.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it. Yeah, it sucks for the predators because they can't hunt.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
suckers yeah they uh they're kind of cruel with that put them in different places well you shouldn't put them there at all yeah it's great the whole thing's crazy yeah i get it does protect some endangered species but boy i think if we really care about animals we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces and it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it. If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're They're killing gazelles, and they're doing normal lion shit. This is a normal lion in a lion environment, and you drive through it, and it's probably dangerous as shit. Yeah. And keep your fucking windows rolled.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the video editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks. In the safari? She rolled her window down, and she was leaning out to take a photo or something. The cat reached in and grabbed her. Oh, my God.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Lock the fucking door, man. Imagine a little skinny-ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy, and there's a lion right outside of it. He could put his head through it easily. He doesn't know, but if he just fucking smashes his head, it'll go right through that thing. He's a lion.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, they didn't have the proper height fence. Yeah, yeah. Not only did they not have a roof on it, the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, because your body's trying to protect you from dying.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Leaping over a three-foot wall and out of its enclosure. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think that's correct. I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. Oh, the wall was 1.2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it was 12 feet. That'd be hilarious if it was actually three feet. And they're like, whoa, what's the problem? That's crazy that it's four foot shy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Doesn't mean they deserve to die. Three-foot wall. That's so crazy. I could jump a three-foot wall. Yeah. That's not real. I could try. There's no way. I could get you on the third try. Yeah, you could probably at least get over the top of it. There's no way. There's no way. That's this tall? That's crazy. That would be hilarious. They just made it three feet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It really is, though. It's norepinephrine. That's the big one. Dopamine kicks up. Everything. And it lasts for hours. That's what I tell people, even though they don't want to do it. I'm like, I know it sucks. I don't think it's good. I don't get in and go, this is amazing. I'm the best. I get in and I go, Jesus Christ, just keep it together. And I just try to stay calm.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, that's pretty high. It says, oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet. The current wall used to be 12 feet. So that's where it was, and the tiger jumped over that. And now they gave him an extra five feet. Fuck that place.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Did they say the tiger jumped from the bottom or the tiger jumped from that top part?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They know exactly what happened. There was eyewitnesses. People saw it happen. Also, who could have helped it? Yeah. So that's what it looked like?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Imagine that thing coming over the top of that. So that's the three-foot fence, I think, that they were saying. Exactly.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No, it could be over there. They could throw it over the ridge. You think it got all the way to the... Yeah. Yeah, you could throw it that far. That's not that far.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No. That's not far. No, no. That looks like 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again. Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude. It's a big jump, though. I guess you can throw a pine cone. It's probably a big jump for a cat. I don't know if he made the jump. I think he made the jump from the bottom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know. What I had heard was the thing was over there. They were continuing to throw things at it, and it came towards them and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Hmm. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011. Yeah, there it is. Okay. So the lawsuit. Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure. I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers. They don't deserve to die. You're a fucking kid. You're a dumbass kid. That could have been us. If we were both 17 and I'd go, I dare you to throw a pine cone.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's just a pine cone. From the bottom of the moat. To the dry moat to the top of the wall. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
From the bottom of the dry moat. So they got into the bottom of, yeah, like I thought.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But I know when I get out, I'm going to feel great for hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that? The tiger can't get out as long as the tiger's chill. Wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where it resumed attacks. Oh, my God. Photos show blood-smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently dragged Sosa's body. It found the blood trail.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless it were a compelling reason. Oh, my God, another victim blaming. The tiger passed exhibits with warthogs, which it ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the Terrace Cafe outside the dining area.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, what if it killed some old lady who was just there with her niece? Yeah. You know, showing her around. And what if, you know, who the fuck knows what could have happened? You're just guessing. And it didn't even kill the guy. It killed the other guy. I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that, I'm trying to remember.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Who was the one that threw the pine cones? Were they all throwing them?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It sucks that they know that that tiger was like- Maybe they were all throwing pine cones. Maybe I heard the story wrong.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's whoever the fuck is closest. Yeah, yeah. Who's closest? Who's going to get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I mean, the whole reason they exist is they are the cleanup crew for nature. Anything that has a limp, anything that does something stupid, you go walking through the thick grass, that's a wrap. That's what they're there for. They're there for overpopulation because they exist around deer. Yeah, of course. They exist around a very specific kind of deer. It's called an axis deer.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And these deer move like lightning, dude. Yeah. You ever seen an axis deer? No, I don't think so. They fucking, they take off like it's crazy because they evolved around tigers. Right. So they just explode away so fast.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No? They're so big. They're too dangerous. You could get a broken jaw, broken leg. They stomp your head. You're dead.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That would kind of suck. Reported that her claws were not frayed, suggesting that she made the 12-foot, 9-inch leap on her first attempt. Oh, my God. God. Dr. Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the cat. Jesus Christ. Do you know there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because they get stranded on an island? Yeah. Oh, wow. The currents changed to this river, and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo. Oh, wow. And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions. They look like hulk lions. It's crazy. It's called relentless enemies. Because they're the hunters, the females, right?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yes, the females are the hunters. So they got as big as male lions. Wow. So the female hunters, they're jacked, too. Like, they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. I wouldn't recommend doing it for 10 minutes the first time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I have seen that. Crocodiles are the ultimate cleanup crew. Yeah, you see if you can find that relentless enemies thing because you should get to see what these females lions looked like We always get in trouble right just show to us because these female lions they don't even look real they look like CGI lions They're super jacked.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. But kudos to you for doing it. It's fucking hard to do 10 minutes.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're the hunters But this this documented relentless and it seemed to find one of the images of the jack Look at what she's built like she's she's built like a male. Oh That's insane.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's a great documentary, though. Because it's just about nature adapting. Right. Look at the size of her. Oh, my God. They're so much bigger. And, you know, they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless. I mean, water buffalo are huge.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they're tough as shit. You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
What is that about? Yeah, lock that shit up. What is that about? They just haven't figured out yet that they can get you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, I want to be in an Iron Man suit with a chain mail gun. Yeah. One of those chain gun. I do not want to be.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The video is the only thing recording? Yeah. Can we keep going, or should we stop?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Okay, we'll take a little pee break. We'll come back, ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folk. Now we're up. Oh, we were just about to complain about the government or whoever it is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I feel privileged. Is it a brownout? Is this one of them brownouts?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, it got real close. Apparently during the cold front, it got real close. They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That was the first year we lived here. No one knows how to drive in the snow. It was hilarious. Yeah, I remember that. People with Corvettes spinning around intersections.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. You got to have some water, folks. Keep some water in your house. It's a good move. If you're in a place that happens like that. So if this happens in Boston, they know how to deal with snowy roads. They fix things.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed. How about buy a fucking plow? Have one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's funny if you grew up in a place like I grew up in Boston, which is like snow is just normal. It's just normal. It's part of up snowing out. Did you even have like did school ever close?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It happened every time. We did have them. We did have snow days because it did fucking snow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But in places like there, if it's just snowing a little, they let you go to school.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, if you could get that in a pill, it would be a very popular pill. I know. People would be taking it all day long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You had a day off. I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, please, I can stay home and watch cartoons, please. It was no greater joy than a snow day. Oh, it was wonderful. And now the snow sucks. You hate it. Someone should redesign school. School's terrible. Yeah. It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day. It's fucking terrible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Tired and bored. Yeah. And this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks. I got back to the Adderall thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
What did you start off with? How much were you taking in the beginning?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. This is better for your brain because there's a thing, there's a part in your brain, Andrew Huberman has talked about this, I forget what it's actually called, but there's a part of your brain that actually grows when you force yourself into do difficult things. Like say if you're a person who likes to run and you force yourself, I'm going to run five miles every morning for 60 days.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So you started off with 30s. Yeah. Did you start taking it every day or? Yeah. Right away?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So it was FDA approved. So you did listen to a psychiatrist. I did listen. She is a doctor.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So what did you, you said you were up to 90 a day. So how'd you wean?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So were you completely functional when you were on it, or were you out of your mind?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And you're a lot of work. It's actually a perk. Yeah, exactly. It's actually a plus.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, I mean, that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day when they first came up with it, like in Nazi Germany. Even before they were giving it to the Nazis, you could buy that. What was it called? What is it called? Pervitin? Pervitin. Pervitin?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's the Hitler speed? Well, it was the for sale version of methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores. Yeah. And people would just take it. It was like a low dose. It's essentially just like, that's it right there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
kind of real similar to Adderall in a lot of ways but it was a you know it was methamphetamine oh right and you just could take it this is like over the counter right yeah back when they had like heroin look at that methamphetamine hydrochloride
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So it was a small dose, and people would take it all day long, and it gave them all this energy to get things done. I mean, think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time. Yeah. Kind of nuts, man. They were focused. They were fucking dialed in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Yeah. If he wasn't on it, he probably wouldn't have killed as many people. Well, if he wasn't on everything. He was on oxycodone, and they were giving him all these crazy animal hormones. He was having them remove animal organs, and they were injecting glands into Hitler's body. He was like, they were practicing on it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. This is my Fred Cam. I'm trying to imagine myself running. I have a buddy of mine that was doing a marathon every day. Oh, really? Yeah. He's a psycho. He does these ultra marathons. Oh, my God. Where they run for three days. He does- It's like Forrest Gump.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, that's why I was confused, too, because I had always heard that it was meth. Because I knew that there was meth use, and I knew that Hitler liked cocaine, and they used to shoot him up with testosterone, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bro, he was on like 90 pills a day. He did so much, they think it's part of the reason why he went deaf. Really? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, there's actually a thing that happens when you overdose on opiates. You take too much opiates, it fries your fucking ears.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think who you are at your core, why you operate in life... Whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that, who you are at your core. So if you're like an evil person deep down, but you're covering it, and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's totally true. Or if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy. And you need a couple of drinks to feel loose, and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you're loving, you're hugging everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. Like I'm just like rigid. That's the benefit of some drugs is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Yeah, he ran across America. But they do these things through the mountains. Like they do the Moab. I think it's the Moab 200 or 240. So it's 240 miles through mountains. It's not just like straight 240 miles. Like you're going over mountains and hills and shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A lot of problems with EMTs and people like that. It's not a problem, but it's part of the job is they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's kind of crazy. I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs, and they have the most morose senses of humor. I know. And they're so used to people dying. And they tell you stories. They all have PTSD. They're all fucked up. They all get the gunshot wounds, and they all see the worst shit. Car accidents, the worst shit. Motorcycle crashes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Therapist. That's another one. I mean, you got to think everyone's out of their fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I used to not run at all, and then I entered into a 5K, and I couldn't believe how hard it was to do. It's insane. I thought I was in reasonably good shape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
After a certain point in time, you might look for that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You learn about someone. Someone's going through heart surgery.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And how much trouble you're having dealing with her open heart.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But you're a comic, and it's like, it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person. It's tough. You're just so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meeting your friends, and it just becomes a bizarre lifestyle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they get mad. You don't have to do a set tonight, but I do. Yeah, you have to. I remember when I was dating this girl, I was 25, and she was like, you don't have to go up tonight. I'm like, but I do. I suck. I need to get better. This is only one way to do it. I know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How did you develop that way of thinking, you think?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But that also can happen if you're with someone who has – they don't understand. Like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing – like I had a friend and he was a good comic and he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job. And he was doing pretty good. He wasn't headlining all the places, but he was middling quite a few places.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And he had some bits that were bangers. He had some good bits. And he could have been a really good comic. And then he got divorced a couple years later. I ran into him three years later. He got divorced. He was trying to do comedy again. But he hadn't done comedy in three years. And he lost all of his momentum. And he couldn't get spots. And no one gave a shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his 30s and it hadn't happened yet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And... It was one of those, probably the parents, like, what is he doing? What if he doesn't make it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Have you ever experienced that? I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21, and her father said that, like, what if he doesn't make it? First of all, I'm fucking 21. I'm a little kid. Leave me alone, asshole. But second of all, yeah, he's right. He's like, who fucking knows? I might not make it, but... I'm going to try. I'm not going to not try because I might not make it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Runner's euphoria. Yeah. I don't know. What are the actual chemicals that get released during a runner's high? We'll find that out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's wonderful. But there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years and they're still terrible. Maybe those guys should move on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. Well, at 21, I really didn't know if I was one of those people. But you have to at least give it a chance. And if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance, this is not going to work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's got to be dopamine. But there's a thing that you do when you do a lot of cardio where you do get really high. Yes. Not high in a bad way, but high in a very chilled endorphins. Endorphins. That's what I was looking for. Popular culture identifies these chemicals behind the runner's high. So you just- It says it's short-lasting. I don't think it's that short-lasting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic, boy, that is a fucking uphill slog.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, if you live in the city, at least you do it when everyone's asleep. Right, right. When I was living in L.A., I would do 10 o'clock shows. So I'd be at home and then everybody's basically going to bed. I'm like, I'm going out. I'm going to go do shows. So I do shows from 9 p.m. on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's crazy. But it's also, you know... The thing is, like, they go to bed early. And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets. Yes. But if you're starting out then and this is like this pipe dream that you have and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing. Like, I was already a headliner.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I was already on television. I was already making money. That's how we made money. I had to go do comedy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So that's a job. But it's not a dream. You know, it's like. If you're chasing a dream and you're 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting company, yikes, bro. Now you're kind of being an asshole. Well, it's also like, you better get really fucking good before you quit that job. How are you going to have the time to get really fucking good?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Exactly. And it's like there's a lot of people that are they have the dream of stand up, but they probably haven't really gone at it 100 percent. Yeah, well, that's the other thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will, and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week, and they just don't. And then they get into this situation where, like, oh, my God, everyone's kind of passed me by.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And all the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road, and I'm still stuck in L.A.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You have a very clear responsibility, and it's not yours. I'll do your job for you if you want to take a nap. I'll babysit the kid for you. You go back to being the boss of the kids.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Give me what number to call if anything goes wrong. Yeah, that's hilarious.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it's good, but it's not good for everybody, and it's not good depending upon what kind of relationship you're in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I've seen that happen before. Like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You guys are about to break up, and now you're having a kid? Yeah, that doesn't work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's going to keep us together. Sort of, I guess. Yeah, I mean, you'll always talk. I feel like kids...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
break people apart more than anything they break some people apart they bring some people closer they definitely brought me and my wife closer really yeah it's not a it doesn't have to be a negative thing it's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time I know you know and you know Louis said it best he said you just gotta let it change you yeah yeah yeah you know I thought that was really good advice because it definitely changes you and you can't resist it you just gotta be who you are now you're just a different person now now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body laughing
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And then grow up and talk to you, and you take them to do things together, and you have fun laughing together. It's like this very strange thing where a life that did not exist now exists. Right. And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life. You love this person.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, here it goes. It says up to a few hours. That makes sense. So the Bliss, it can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I talk to my kids about the most boring shit ever. But to them, it's not boring. They like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like. It's interesting. It's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. That's a scary one. I know. Anybody could just punch you to death. Yeah, or just, yeah. Just give you a bloody nose and you bleed out. Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So you've got baby fever a little bit. It seems like you keep talking about it. A little bit. A little bit. A little touch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think everybody needs to. There's a lot of people that have kids that say, everybody should have a kid. I think you can have a wonderful life without having children. I think it's totally possible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I read this horrible story about this child prodigy that the mother trained this child to do everything. They rebelled at 18 and she killed them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. Rebelled against the thing? I forget. I got so disturbed by it, I turned the page. But I was reading about this story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, well, there's a lot of psychos that their kid is just a representation of them. It's not an individual human being. It's their property. It's them going through life. You will do what I tell you to do. You will be a lawyer. You will be a football player. Whatever the fuck it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Kind of makes sense why he's so cocky. The guy was like flying high all day. Like, whee! Rush. Rush. Yeah. That's excellence in broadcasting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That was his thing, right? Yeah. Excellence in broadcasting. Rush Limbaugh. Just never at once just be at peace. It just made me think, too, like this whole idea of conservatives being like buttoned down, sober people who look at the world clearly. No, your fucking main guy is pilled out of his fucking mind, spouting out nonsense. Obama's from Kenya.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The doctor said. FDA approved. The doctor said. I told the doctor I have an Adderall problem. He gave me a prescription.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That is so wild that they said that to you. I know. It was insane. That's so wild. Yeah, well, you need it. You obviously are on it. You shouldn't get off of it because then you could die or something. You could fucking be slow and not as... It was hard to get off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It seems like a lot of coping. A lot of things going on in your head right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because it always has a grip on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, well, maybe I could go back. But then I would start chain smoking. I don't want to do that. So I don't want to go back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Let's relapse right now. Just fucking crush them and start snorting them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Adderall.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Nope. Nope. Never done cocaine, never done Adderall.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky and – not lucky, but one of my friends, his cousin was addicted to coke. And I watched this guy's life completely fall apart. He was selling coke and – it was like he got bit by a vampire.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like he was a different person. He was real skinny and all gaunt and shit and just coked up all the time and fucked up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think a lot of them don't follow the rules. He wasn't like a businessman. He was a guy who got Coke and sold some of it. I'm such a nerd, but that's not drug dealer protocol. Yeah, I mean, it's from the biggie, the 10 crack commandments. 10 crack commandments. Don't get high off your own supply.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours? You saw a lot of sunrises then, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's all he cares about. See, that's one if you get into, you're relying on your vehicle, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like if you're getting into chess, you can pretty much always move those fucking things around. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you really get obsessed with chess.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
When I was young, I used to love staying up all night. I used to think it was awesome that I would be going to bed when everybody was running around.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, every now and then you probably shouldn't do that, but every now and again do it. I don't think it's so bad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's good for you. Until you get vitamin D, how you stay healthy. But when I was in my early 20s when I lived in New York, I would stay up all night all the time. Really? Yeah, I'd go to bed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, so I'd go to the clubs, then afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool until 4 o'clock in the morning, go to a diner, get something to eat with my friends. 6 o'clock in the morning, I was hanging out with just complete derelicts, like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics. So it was like no one was normal. And so then it was normal. So I called someone at 5 o'clock.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I said, I just woke up. They would think it was funny. I was like, I was up all night. It was normal. It wasn't like you, loser. I was like, oh, you're living the crazy young life. And you liked it, huh? It was a good time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out, it's the time. And also, I was so used to it. I didn't have anything to get up for. I didn't have a job. That's when you were doing comedy work? Yeah, I just started making money doing comedy, so I had enough money that comedy for the first time in my life was legitimately paying my bills.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Paying my rent. I had a car. I was driving around to gigs. I was doing headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey, like 500 bucks there, 350 there. So every week I was making a good amount of money, and I was just having a good time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How many years in did you become a complete professional?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A long time. So you really did keep a job. Do you think the job held you back or do you think it helped you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's the weirdest fucking people. Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Remember that story about the one guy who cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That guy, what was he? He was just like schizophrenic or something? He cut some guy's head off that was sitting next to him?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I'm scared of chess. Really? Yeah, I'm scared I'd get addicted to it. It's that crack. Right, but I don't have any time. That's why I won't play golf. Same thing. I'm sure the golfers, like Jamie's a big golfer, they'll tell you how awesome it is. I'm like, I believe you. I'm not going to try it. I'm not going to let it get its fucking fangs into me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Canada man who beheaded bus passenger granted freedom. What? The Canadian legal system is insane. Wait, what?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment. A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring, saying he did not pose a significant threat. When you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He removed his internal organs. Repeatedly stabbed him. Oh, my God. Attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim. The driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr. Baker continued his attack. He was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The voice told me I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus, and I was to save people from a space alien attack. He also said he was really sorry for what he had done. It's funny, back to back. It's the best that they took him completely out of context. Generally, I'm not a fan of that. But in this stretch, I put that back up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I like how they talk him completely out of context and said, really sorry, in quotes. Not even dot, dot, dot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, he definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public. Imagine if that's your friend. This guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out. It's insane.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well... He had his reasons. You hear about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend. She killed him. She stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy. And they deemed her not criminally responsible because she went psychotic. She had a psychotic break from the weed. But here's the thing. Was she really sorry? She was really sorry.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I feel like that is one of those moments where I go, okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it. No. Not for a fucking second. Just to be like. Woman. Oh, 108 times. Excuse me. Excuse me. 108 times. Did I say 11? You said 11. I meant 108. What the fuck? California. I forgot. A potent strain of pot. Yeah, it's super potent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's a really potent strain. But it was really potent. Dude, relax. Stop being so judgy. I mean, it was really potent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She went to jail scot-free. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What is the difference between involuntary and involuntary? I didn't mean to kill him. I only stabbed him 108 times. Yeah, I guess involuntary is... One time should be attempted murder, and if you actually kill them, it's murder.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's one stab. Yeah, premeditated comes in for murder. Right, okay. But wait a minute, isn't it second-degree murder if it's not premeditated? I think that's what it is. I think that's what second-degree murder is. You don't mean to... Yeah, manslaughter is an accident.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Although the two were dating, Spetcher told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him. Okay. She claimed he was aggressive, intimidating, and had a temper, she told the outlet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing, she gave into the pressure, then went into a deadly psychosis. Well, I think her alibi is that he was really annoying. He seemed super annoying. He got real loud and yelly. Yeah, imagine that for a woman. He got super shouty. Fuck that guy. Imagine a guy doing that. But also, so we're both accountable. Oh, my God.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, it doesn't have to be sunny out. Yeah, exactly. Three in the morning. I don't want to go to bed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part. The part where the guy got stabbed 108 times.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Months before the fatal encounter, Amelia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bong, Goldstein said. He suffered hallucinations and fear of death. But that just sounds like he got too high. That's just what every time I get high. What kind of fucking bong does this guy have? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing, her lawyer said, describing her as a naive user. She's naive. But just imagine the sexes being reversed. She got really yelly, and I got real nervous. And, you know, I had only smoked pot like six times before that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Are you really, really sorry? Well, also, like, what about her part? She was kind of responsible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's pretty high, son. But it's like... Because there's caution for high tolerance users only. Yeah, but the problem is the side effects or the effects of marijuana do not match that at all.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's the opposite. I don't... Yeah, that's... I think that's on her. Los Angeles-based dispensary found marijuana flower for sale legally with TH levels as high as 39%. That's even more potent. Similar levels were available Friday from a local competitor, but yet no one's running around stabbing people. It's just so crazy that they accepted that. That sounds so nuts.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And you talk about victim blaming. Well, what about Chad? Chad was really shouty. Oh, his name was Chad?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Never mind, then. Didn't they say... That's his name, right?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's not a good name for a guy that got stabbed. Automatically. Unless her name's Karen. Automatically, you're going to be like... Sean. It was Sean? But it's like what we said.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Also, how do you keep doing it after you do it one or two times?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's so crazy. Your arm must get tired. You stabbed him 108 times. It's actually a pretty impressive workout. She probably hurt herself.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
She got hurt too. What about that? It's a good point. I couldn't imagine ever seeing those roles reversed. There's no way.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I only smoked pot five or six times. That's not like your first time. Five or six times is like, you know what weed does. But weed doesn't do anything. It doesn't make you kill people. No, no. I mean, you can go crazy, though.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I had to quit cold turkey. I used to play Quake online. It numbs you out. It's crazy. It's just too easy to get a game. Because you could always, at any moment in time, I could either be bored, I could be having a conversation that's boring, or I could be doing something boring, or I can just log in and have a death match one-on-one with some dude from fucking Denmark. I know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Some people freak out. They really do. But she must have really despised that guy. And that might have popped out of her. What am I with this fucking idiot? That's in there. Not that deep.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, it seems like if you hit 108 golf balls, that's what you're trying to do. That's about the max you could do. You get pretty fucking tired. It seems like she was more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing. That sounds so crazy. I want to know if she was on anything else along with it. Because if you mix Zoloft with cocaine, it's very dangerous.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There are certain things that if you mix stuff with, no bueno. Really? Yeah. People lose their fucking marbles. What's bad with Prozac? I'm on Prozac. That's a good question. What is bad with Prozac? Let's find out. If you're on Prozac, should you be taking edibles? Oh, boy. What happens? I take one every night. Oh, well, you're the test. It's fine for you. I was looking up. That's the thing.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's like what's fine for you is not fine for everybody.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Okay. You shouldn't take. It may increase your risk for bleeding problems. Oh, a couple of strokers. Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen. I take Advil all the time. It interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, MAOIs, other antidepressants, and blood thinners.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I can't mix it with my girlfriend's medication. That's saying don't take ayahuasca, though. Oh, really? Yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, don't do it. I'm already not going to do it. If you're on the Prozac, don't do it. I'm not into that. It said non-steroidal anti-inflammatories and MAO inhibitors, and that's one of the ingredients. Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think it's about the blood thinning stuff. Oh, really? Manufacturer Prozac recommends that you avoid drinking and alcohol while taking this drug. Hey, I don't drink. There you go. Alcohol can worsen. I think I'm good. Okay.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Is this the same one that gave you the Adderall prescription?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No? Different one? Are you one of those guys that shops around for different psychiatrists?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You know, like, it's crazy. Like, I remember typing, like, where do you live? And then people are like, I'm in Estonia. Like, whoa, that's crazy. While you're killing them. You kill each other and you make little pauses and you ask. It's fun.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Is there anything else that helped other than Prozac? Is there any activities that helped?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So the Paxil was helping you in a different way than the Prozac is?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxil versus on Prozac?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, it was awful. Was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with? Or do you think that like – did something about taking the anti-anxiety medication accentuate it when you got off it? Accentuate the – Yeah, like the anxiety. Did you have the same level of anxiety before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but I think that's okay. As long as you're doing something that you actually enjoy, I don't think there's anything wrong with being obsessed with something.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I can get it sometimes. I can talk myself into it. I can talk myself out of it. I get anxiety about existential threats. I get anxiety about war, sometimes late at night.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I get anxiety the more I read about history, the more I understand how many times in history society was, everything was great and everything was fine, and then all of a sudden some terrible event took place, and then we went back to the Stone Age. This is an imminent threat to life that we look at the goings on in the world as if it's some plot in a television show that we're watching.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You're watching what's happening in Ukraine. You're watching what's happening in Gaza. And you're watching what's happening in Iran. And you're watching all this crazy shit. And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you. But late at night when everyone's asleep, that's when it gets me. Right.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I started thinking that this ridiculous life that we live and all the stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense... and that they're accentuated constantly in the news, all the while real people are dying in drone suicide bombs. You can watch them on YouTube.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think that's the deal with a lot of kids that are bored in school and they're calling them ADHD. I think they think that the subjects that are being discussed are boring as fuck. Of course. They're bouncing off the walls. They're 13 years old. They have so much fucking energy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels. So many people get... blown up by missiles and blown up by drones, suicide drones slamming into people and detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was, but he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him, and these guys run, and they grab him, and they all explode.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're trying to stop him from pulling the vest, and this bomb goes off, and you see just parts of people flying, and you're like, fuck, man. This is all happening in the world right now. It's just not happening right here. You're watching it. You're like, for some reason, I'm really anxious right now. Yeah, I get freaked out.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
yeah oh yeah it's completely fragile i mean yeah and we're so soft we're so accustomed to living this way we're so like when the power went off earlier when we're doing this podcast what do we do we wait for it to come back on yeah somebody's gonna fix it what if it doesn't come back yeah i used to have a bit about that like when the the dumb people out fuck the smart people and the power just goes off and no one has any idea how to turn it back on again like what do you do somebody does it they do it and but what if that guy's dead like do we know and when do we know
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
How long afterward do we figure out the power's not coming back?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have, which is the power grid and our computer infrastructure. All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. It's the only reason why we're alive. It's 100 degrees outside, and I have a hoodie on. I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning. We're fine. We're not dying of heat exhaustion. We're not out there dehydrating to death.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And we're just so vulnerable. And we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is. Think about what we've been talking about today. If you go back and watch films from the 1930s and 1950s, how horrific people treat each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other and we interact with each other and we demand more. And there's going to be overcompensation and things are going to go back and forth.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But generally, it's moving in the right direction. But that's only because all of our needs are met and because there's electricity.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So electricity is the thing that changed everything. When you can stay cool and stay warm, you can live in places you shouldn't be living. Yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Unlivable. All cities would be a hellhole. Yeah. There's no food. No one's growing food. How do you eat? As soon as trucks stop coming in, everyone's fucked. Yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating and then that's it. Yeah. The Gaza stuff is awful.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It is complicated and horrible, and it's also complicated when you see so much anti-Semitism.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, open anti-Semitism about all Jews. I know. As if there's, like, this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know if you remember. Yeah, we have a right to get cautious, you know. But it's also, that's one of the things that, I forget who was talking to us about this. It might have been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody. When they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline, they start blaming things on the Jews. It is. It's really common. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Because Jews stick together, and it's a very difficult club to get into.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Which, by the way, was being protested for months on end before October 7th.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There was an article in one of the science journals recently about – one of the science magazines recently about ADHD. And then they were saying that it was actually – an advantage to think that way for hunter-gatherers. Oh, wow. This is left over from where they're constantly looking at other things and trying to pay attention. And they could focus on one thing very intensely. Oh, wow.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like all human beings everywhere in the world. There's good people.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Sixty five percent of people say it's OK to rape Palestinian prisoners. Who did you talk to? Who did you talk to? 65% of who? Who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple questions about rape. Who the fuck is answering that? What are you talking about, raping prisoners? I'm all in. By the way, I'm on my way to work. I gotta go.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers, like the Jose Andres' people, which seems like they were targeted. Yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying that that's the accusation is that they knew who those people were.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person the other, you've got a giant problem. And that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people. It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9-11.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
9-11, the whole world was on our side. Yeah. Everybody wanted America to prosper. We can't believe America was attacked. America, this shining beacon of democracy and self-government. Like, no, not America. Then what do we do? We invade Iraq.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And we kill a million people wind up dying because of our invasion, they think. Yeah. And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction hosts. It was all bullshit. It was paraded in the media. So it's like that. It's like our overreaction was so horrific. Then everybody hated America.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know what you're saying, that people would retaliate. It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of it, which is horrific to people.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's crazy that the – And also people pretending as if they know what actually happened and what the stats are.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They didn't do that. They didn't do this. Are you on the ground?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
All of it is crazy. Like you don't fucking know what's actually going on. And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media like the bombing of the hospital.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You're like, ooh, what's that? And then it's like a raspberry. Also, they're always in activity and motion. ADHD may have evolved to help foragers know when to cut their losses. Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. You're too focused, you get killed. This is not the one that I read, because this is from February. The one I read was just a couple of days ago.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what that is. I mean, that made it all the way into newspapers.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, Netanyahu is this super pro-military guy. I mean, he was a special forces guy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So that's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night, that this kind of shit is going on, that any minute it could pop off and become a nuclear war.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Whatever it is, if you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety. No, I can totally see that. When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out. What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute, and then all of a sudden it's September 12th, you know?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But way bigger, way crazier, way scarier. And that hasn't happened since 1945, so we assume that it's not going to happen again.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, dude. When the wall fell down, it was amazing. There was like a weight lifted off of America. Everyone's like, oh, the Soviet Union's gone. We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore. And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that. Oh, my God.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, such as impulsivity, may have helped forgers and hunter-gatherer communities quickly move on to new areas when food sources were low.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's the thing is we're not used to it happening right here. We're very spoiled. Oh, we're so spoiled. The Russians are so much more used to it than us. They lost so many people during World War II. Oh, yeah, like $20 million? Well, I was reading this thing about France.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This is so crazy that during World War I, France lost 25% of its fighting-age men, and then during World War II, they lost another 25%. It's insane. What the fuck, man?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, it is in other parts of the world. That's the thing. It's like we're so used to not being attacked that when something like 9-11 does happen, like Pearl Harbor happened, it was five hours over the ocean. It was the only other time we were attacked. Yeah. You know, we're so soft. We are soft. We're soft as baby poo.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
No? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Yeah. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. So the Bill Hicks joke, you don't buy into it? I love the joke. You love the joke. But I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. Have you ever read into that one?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's one you really shouldn't be flipping about. They killed that fucking guy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think it was Biden. I think it could be a number of people that were involved. But it seems, at the very least, like they were so...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
lax insecurity that they were inviting something to happen at the very least and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a rangefinder right seeing that guy he'd come back and forth he observed him multiple times people were talking about him they were keeping an eye on him and this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots um
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Incompetence is a real theory. You know what else is a real thing? Conspiracies. Those are real, too. The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just a silly conspiracy theory is that was the whole goal of the Warren Commission report. And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist as a pejorative.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Some dude had a really good joke about it that he put up on Instagram. It was very funny. Let me see if I can find it. Maybe you can find it, Jamie. He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try an assassination attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it. Like really inefficient. He said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That makes sense. It's like an instinct. Let's get the fuck out of here.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
find this dude who sent that to me but like but it's also I mean I guess for me it's like you also have to like you find it I saw it recently too I know what you're talking about fuck somebody sent it to me I get too many texts anything can be real but I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not that world is not a crazy world the idea that we're in a violent place no I'm not saying everyone has guns no not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter I think he was a lone shooter maybe there was other people shooting at him I think he was trained
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And I think somebody got him detonators. He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think someone talked that guy into doing that. I don't think someone talked that guy into doing it. I think it's possible that someone talked that guy into doing that.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They took his body away and cremated it 10 days after the assassination. No toxicology report. No public. There's been no press conference about it. No telling all the details. Here's what we know. They went to the kid's house. It was professionally scrubbed. Didn't have silverware in it. Right. There's a phone that was going back and forth because, you know, they have ad data.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They can track cell phone when they ping. There's a phone going back and forth between the offices of the FBI in Washington, D.C. and this kid's house on multiple occasions.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't even think Epstein- I would not hate you with your views. I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theorist. That's interesting. So you think Epstein killed himself?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck, which is not really what happens when you hang yourself. When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you. So the ligature marks, the strangulation marks are underneath the chin. His was down by his neck, and his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Dr. Michael Badden, who's that... forensic scientist that did that show, Autopsy. Remember that show on HBO? He examined the autopsy, examined what the results were, and he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out. Yeah. It seems very convenient that the people that were on security were asleep. Seems very convenient. All of it seems convenient.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Since he's the most high-profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia, would probably want to take that guy out.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left? Of course. How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind? What do you mean? His head goes back into the left like he got shot from the front. I don't know. I don't... You've never seen... That was a Hicks bit.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You don't want to think about it this way. I like it. I like what you're saying.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's true. Like planes flying into the buildings, especially buildings that are that tall.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty. Yeah. It's pretty nutty. A lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll. The amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways is extraordinary, off the charts.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Odds like that don't make any sense, but I also do think sometimes the brain like finds patterns I don't always sure and also people kill people that happens to both the thing about the the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of Evidence that points the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion There was a lone gunman despite the evidence and one of those is the magic bullet theory The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for cocoa puffs that that shit would never fly today.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He went through Kennedy and then into Connolly and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney. And then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds because they had to because there was only three shots supposedly. And in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they knew one of them was hit conally and one of them blew up his head. Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries. But then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass. So they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target and hitting the whatever it is, granite curbstone and banging into this guy's face.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And the guy had to go to the hospital. They found the curbstone that had been hit with a bullet. And so they knew that a ricochet had hit there. So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds. And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting. Maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
All these people said there were shots coming from the grassy knoll. Maybe they were telling the truth. Instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no. One bullet went crazy and went, oh, look, we found it. Here's the bullet. All good. And look at the bullet. All right. I'll give you Oswald if you give me the Trump shooter.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That bullet supposedly went through two people and they found it in that condition on a gurney. If you've ever shot anything with a bullet, you know that's straight horse shit. That's not deformed at all. That's shattered bones. That's nonsense. But what is the answer?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, if you read the Warren Commission report, and fucking nobody has. That's also, there's different, like see the hole in his neck? It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck. But in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound. And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was a tracheotomy hole.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren Commission report. And if you want to go crazy, read a book called Best Evidence by David Lifton, who was an accountant, who read the entire Warren Commission, went over it, and found all these inconsistencies and said, They were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't think he acted alone. I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on. Well, he was definitely active with the CIA. He'd gone over to Russia. He'd married a Russian woman, came back to America. He was doing a lot of weird communist shit. He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent. Or at least a patsy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A guy they could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted to do.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There was no internet back then, and they didn't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later. The Zapruder film, nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 when Dick Gregory brought it on.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice. They think three times. They think that's one through the back, one through the neck, and one in the head.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This gentleman, Norman Oler, was on my podcast two weeks ago, and he wrote all about the meth in the Third Reich. Dude, it's crazy. And speed, yeah.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, he was all fucked up. He had a lot of real physical problems. He was in constant pain. And he was also a guy that was getting treatment from Dr. Feelgood.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, real similar. Like this one doctor. And I think a lot of that was meth as well. It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot. The brace was firm. So this is also, this is not the back shot either.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
There was a shot in the neck that again, the initial autopsy said was an entrance wound. Yeah, that makes sense.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Makes sense that it kept him stiff. He was all fucked up, though. He had, like, yeah, see, portrait of pain. See, he had, like, some real serious problems. Numerous back surgeries. So they hid. It's hard to hide news photos of him walking on crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgeries.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It wasn't until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
uh in 1963 the specifics began to emerge peyton is co-author neurosurgeon just dr justin dowdy poured over dalek subsequent book numerous other biographies and scores of documents and x-rays at the jfk library in boston to prepare their paper so i was taken aback by the depths of kennedy's pain he said how long he dealt with the pain despite his short life how it affected his life i was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So I wonder what back surgeries were they doing in 1963. Good Lord. It's got to be brutal. He had scarlet fever at age two, spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals with abdominal and joint pain, food-like symptoms, and extreme weight loss. Age 15, weighed a mere 117 pounds. By the next year, worried he might have leukemia, doctors began regularly checking his blood.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So he was all fucked up, man. So he was a sick dude.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Here's not sexy. Look at this. Yesterday I went through the most harassing experience of my life. An iron tube 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass. My poor bedraggled rectum, oh my God, is looking at me very reproachfully these days. Oh, my God. He was great with words. Bro, he was fucked up. He could have been a comic. Jesus Christ.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So he got a football game, got tackled from the side, possibly damaging his spinal disc, began regularly using a corset brace to stabilize his spine and control his discomfort. So, yeah, he was all fucked up.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Certainly people look for things that aren't there. I've read conspiracies about me, and I'm like, this is hilarious.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But it's weird when you read them about you, and you're like, oh, this is how this works. People just make shit up, and they just run with it. What's the one about you? Oh, just nonsense, being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, they just want to think you're controlled. They want to think that at a certain point someone comes to you and you get controlled. But that's not real.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The reality is no one's in control. To me, that's the darkest reality. Right. MK Ultra was real, and they really were trying to teach people how to kill people, and they did it with Charlie Manson.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think our idea is that there's this one group of people that all agree with each other. I don't think that's real.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I think there's competing factions even at the top levels. I think they're always battling with each other. Yes. Look, the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the Army. You know what I mean?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Absolutely. And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well. I feel like, yeah, you want the CIA. You want someone who's paying attention to terrorist plots. Of course. You want them. You want the FBI to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want those things. You just don't want them out of control. And the problem is absolute power corrupts absolutely. And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Hitler was on, one of the things, the misconceptions that he was on meth, it appears a lot of what he was on was oxys. He was on oxycodone. Yeah, they had the original oxycodone.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right. Immediately. Well, it was a time old tactic. I mean, Nero burned Rome.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You mean Hitler or Nero? Hitler. Nero. You know what else Nero did? When his wife died, he found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated and paraded her around as his wife. Did he fuck the kid? I don't know what he did. Probably did. I mean, imagine he decided you're going to be my wife now. I'm going to chop your dick off and bring you out in public.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
A couple years later. Yeah. See if you can find that story. It is a crazy story. He found some slave boy that looked like his wife. And so, you know, back then, you're looking at him on the balcony. You're one of the peasants. Nobody knew. Yeah, he was just like... Wasn't his wife anymore. Like, he didn't want anybody to know his wife died, so he decided to make this fucking...
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Look, this is Nero, dude. This is Caligula. This dude was out of his fucking mind.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife, Poppaea Sabina, who had died the previous year. Ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination. How do you say that name? Suetonius?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Suetonius places his account in the Neurosporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Neurosexual aberrations between his raping a Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother. Some think Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilt he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Jesus Christ. Dio Cassios, in a more detailed account, writes that Sporus bore an uncanny resemblance to Bopea and that Nero called Sporus by her name. Oh, my God.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They don't even care. I killed all the Jews. Did you ever see that video of the lady who's on pills and the cops are telling her to pull over and she doesn't know why and she has no wheel on her car? Her car is like spitting flames. Have you ever seen it? No, I've not seen it. And they pull over and she's like, what's the problem? And the cop's like, ma'am, are you on pills?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Wow. I should make a movie about that kid. Oh, look at this. Scholars have deduced that spores was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started, considering it to be derived from the Greek word spores, meaning seed or semen, which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration. What the fuck, dude? Oh, my God. How crazy was that guy?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Make it a rom-com. But it's just like, what was society like back then? Because- They all had sex with kids. They fucked a lot of kids. Fucked a lot of kids. It was normal for an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The greatest warriors ever. They all fucked each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They didn't care who they fucked. They were just fucking anybody.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I know. Imagine if that kept going and guys were just fucking guys today.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Well, the idea of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you would fight for a friend. So like this man beside you, not only is he with you in this war, he's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They wanted to fuck each other, too. I think they just got used to fucking guys. I think it's probably one of those, like, guys are so gross. That's the thing about prison, right? There's no women around. We just fuck each other.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
who's said to bear a remarkable resemblance to Pompeia. But then... He took Sporus to Greece and then back to Rome, making Calvia Caspinilia serve as his mistress of wardrobe to Sporus. Nero had earlier married another freedman, Pythagoras, who had played the role of Nero's husband. Now Sporus played the role of Nero's wife. What?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Like, what the fuck is going on? How do you not know you lost a wheel on the highway?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, my God. Nympho. Who had persuaded the Praetorian guard to desert Nero. Nepheteus treated Sporus as a wife and called him Pompeia. So called him Nero's ex-wife, who Nero kicked to death, who he used to be married to. What the fuck? Imagine that poor kid. He's just blessed with good genetics. Got a pretty face. Got a pretty face. Cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The rape of Prosperity. proserpina the rape of proserpina at a gladiator show oh my god so he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide so they were gonna violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show so he finally gets free of the shit and they're like we want you to reenact it now We're going to make you die in a gladiator show.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
He probably saw so many people get fucked up in gladiator shows.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Oh, life back then. I mean, this is the thing. It's like they thought they were pretty progressive when they were just spanking women. Yeah. In those stupid movies. Well, you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. Give me a little hammer to spank her in the ass. Oh, here you go. It was normal. Yeah. At least he didn't cut her dick off.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
We're way better than the Nero. If you just read that account and imagine if Biden did that. Imagine if Biden's wife died so he found some fucking page that looked like his wife and had him cut his dick off and brought him to Greece as his wife. He'd be like, this guy's a maniac.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
So here's this lady. She's just driving like nothing's wrong, waving. Hi.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Back of another car near Quail Hill Shopping Center. She says her car just gave out. Police say the woman was not impaired and they didn't arrest her. What the fuck are you talking about?
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, but the Nero story, that's like an historical record. The story, it took spores and did that to him.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
They're going to be writing that about Hitler someday. Might have been a smear It was just the oxycodone. It wasn't Hitler.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah. You can't fault him for killing all the Jews. He really did think they were evil while he was tripping balls. Sorry.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That's pretty safe to say. That's not a conspiracy. I'm not into the... I'm not going to try to... You can't say incompetence for that one. I think that guy was probably a really bad guy. No, that was a bad guy. I think when you were the king back then, you could do whatever the fuck you wanted, which is part of the problem.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Elizabeth, so this is a very controversial story too.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know about it. This lady, so this is the folklore. There's two different versions of this. So the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil that she was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young. And as she got older, she would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That lady's on pills. If she's not impaired, she shouldn't be ever driving. If you don't notice, you lost a wheel. Right, that's a big red flag. Is that the same one? That might not have even been the same one.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused her of all these things so that they could take her land. And they imprisoned her because she was a royal. So they imprisoned her under house arrest. They locked her up in a castle. They locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And they think that this possibly could be false accusations against her that were so horrific that no one would question them so that they could take her land.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I don't know. We don't know. I mean, if they did smear her with this fake thing, it's a crazy accusation.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the beautiful young ladies.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
And that these women started going missing. See if you can find that story. It's kind of crazy.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
That is crazy. Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you. And everyone's just like, eh, it's fine. What was the job of this guy? Case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries. The most common motif of these works is that the countless bathing in her virgin victim's blood to retain beauty or youth.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar Laszlo Turoksi, maybe? Tragica Historia was written, the first account of the Bathory case. The story came into question in 1817 when the witness accounts, which had surfaced in 1765, were published for the first time. They included no references to blood baths in his book, Hungary and Transylvania, published in 1850.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing, although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area. It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is. Sadistic pleasure is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes. Oh, so they're saying that she did do it.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Right, okay, this is it. Like, there's no way you don't know that. There's no way you don't know. And the trunk's open.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records the most prolific female murderer, although the number of her victims is debated. So this is Wikipedia, though? Yeah, I think there was another article that Elizabeth Bathory was, like, Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
The myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian noblemen who first falsely accused her, then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay. Later, they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
This was because the wild dislike she got in those circles because of how well she treated her What is that? Jobagi? I don't know how to translate. Basically, farmers who worked for her on the land, for house, and a portion of what they made. Making a bad example, and she was simply kind to commoners, something noblemen just loathe.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
It's also helped them, after she got locked up, they seized her estate.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Who fucking knows? You know, it's too many years ago for really, we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, if you could live 100 years ago, a fucking hot shower is a miracle. Oh, yeah. A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure that we just completely take for granted. To sit in that shower like, ah, soap and lather up and wash your feet and wash your face and, ah, your underarms. Ah, bathe in this preheated warm water.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass. You had to get in that fucking lake. Yeah. Hey, dude, it's been really fun talking to you, man. It was a really good time.
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#2192 - Raanan Hershberg
I can't imagine that she's not medicated. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like something's going on.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, I've had friends that have a different perspective on the Obama situation. And my friend Willie was talking to me about this. And he was saying that what happened was when you look, one thing that we can be sure of is that race is surreal. There are real racists in this country. There's real anti-black racists, anti-Asian racists.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Hey, great to be back. Thanks for having me. Your movie is really funny. It's really funny. By myself, laughing out loud hysterically today. I watched it in the sauna. I watched it in the gym. I watched it... It was... It's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time. Because there's so many moments that are so uncomfortable. That means a lot. I appreciate that. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's certain people that have hateful ideology in this country, just a certain percentage of them in the world. Those are real. And when Obama became president, those people became more emboldened.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he said that he saw a lot more of that online and a lot more attacks, especially in uncensored online forums like 4chan and places where you can kind of get away with saying whatever the fuck you want. He said he saw a lot more of that on the streets.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he said this is probably why he believed Michelle Obama didn't want to run for president, because she experienced so much of that hate while they're in the White House. Forget about hate for their policies and what you think about them as president and vice and first lady, but the racism hate.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So his perspective as a black guy was like, you had to be a black person to realize how angry people were that there was a black guy who was president, because that was real, too. It was real that racism in American racial relations in America had changed radically since the 1960s, certainly since the 1920s and 30s. And over the years, it's kept getting better. But in his mind...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
there was something that happened where when Barack Obama got into the White House that the real hardcore racist got very vocal and he experienced it. And I think this is akin in some ways to what's going on with anti-Semitism online because I think there's always been a certain amount of people in this country and in the world that are like deeply anti-Semitic. And they just don't like Jews.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And when something happens where all of a sudden now it's OK to criticize Jews because of Israel's position in Gaza and what they've done, now you see anti-Semitism just pop out of the woodwork. I think there's something like that where people feel emboldened to talk about things. So maybe we just don't have an accurate account of how fucked up some people are.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the general population, whether you're conservative or whether you're liberal, everybody kind of agrees that racism is a stupid thing. There's amazing people of all ethnicities and colors, and you should judge people, like Martin Luther King said, by the content of their character. We all agree with that. But there's a certain amount of people that are always going to be racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But when you start looking for it everywhere and saying everything is racist, first of all, it's an insult to real racism. It's an insult to the people that are the victims of real racism. When you consider microaggressions or cutting in line in front of you to get ice cream, there's people that are real victims of racism.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And pretending that everything is racist just minimizes that and, in fact, probably makes more people racist. It's going to make a bunch of dumb liberals drop to their knees or give you money for reparations. But it's going to make a bunch of other people really resentful. And it just polarizes us and drives people further and further apart. It's just genuinely stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's what we're hoping for. The Robin DiAngelo one where you gave that guy money for reparations and you got her. She thought it was uncomfortable. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, business is booming. But the other thing is, like, think about Robert D'Angelo, who you said just lives in her own bubble and really didn't know who you were and didn't catch on at any point in time that any of this stuff was ridiculous. Right. Like these people that this if that's all you think about and that's all you like.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I have friends that live in California and every now and then I'll talk to them and some politics issue will come up and they give me this fucking CNBC. They give me this MSNBC, this fucking propaganda viewpoint on something that's so wrong, just so. And I just go, OK, I can't like you're you're in.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
in your bubble there's no there's no real discourse there's no real there's no discussions about whether or not what these people are saying is correct it's just you're a part of this tribe and this is what you believe and I think that's the case with these anti-racist people too. Some of them might be like just hardcore grifters.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like they could be playing three-card money or they could just get corporations to give them money by saying that everybody's racist. There's some people that are definitely like that. But there's other people that are just – that's their friend group. Like that's their social circle.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Their social circles, all people believe this stupid shit and they all yap it to each other and they say it like it's a mantra and they pray five times a day with it. You know, it's really like a religious thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, they're getting out of it, first of all, they're terrified of being called racists. So they jump the gun. So they headed off at the path. Like, I'm going to make sure I'm not racist. So I'm going to become an anti-racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, I talked about this before, but when my kids were young, like my youngest was pretty young when they started doing this anti-racism thing at the school where they said it's not enough to be not – this was actually right after we left. So it was right after like the George Floyd things popped off. They said it's not good enough to not be racist. You have to be anti-racist.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You're talking about some of these kids – in that school are six like what are you saying it's not enough what what are you saying you saying a six-year-old has to be an anti-racist can't they just play with their toys can't they just go to the park and hang out with their friends can't they just play sports can't they just enjoy each other six-year-olds don't give a fuck what color somebody is
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They don't. They all just play together. They just want to play with the people who are nice to them and who they have fun with and laugh with. And here you've got some fucking grifter who latches themselves onto some school system that's filled with all these terrified liberals that are just terrified of being called out for anything. And all the rules are changing and everybody's like, oh!
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the other thing that happens with kids is... If you have a thing like you're telling the kid they have to be anti-racist, well, some kids are going to use that as a platform to increase whatever social cred that they have. And they get feedback from it. It's positive feedback. And they get very vocal. And the more vocal, the more people are impressed.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the more work they do, the more people are going, you're doing great work. And then you get what's essentially like the racial version of Greta Thunberg. Like, what is that lady? That lady's moral outrage at what have you done? How dare you? And everybody's like, yes, we like what you just did. And so now you do it all the time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And so now somehow or another, a 16-year-old kid travels all over the world telling everybody they're bad. Flying around in jets, telling everybody they're bad for ruining the environment. And she gets to feel... Morally superior, morally superior, virtuous. And for a child to be in a position where they become virtuous is, you know, they love that. They love that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yes. College kids love to do that. The moment they're out of their house, the moment they don't have their parents telling them what to do anymore, now they can tell other people what to do. And it's just like – it's one thing that you see online from people who have been bullied in the past.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Um, the people that have been picked on and fucked with, boy, they like to do it to people like online on Twitter mobs. They like to jump in. And I know a lot of people that have, that I've known a lot of people that have engaged in these things. I've, I know them personally, these feeble, weak, terrified men.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And they say the most heinous things about people like uncharitable, not knowing like what, what kind of response these words are going to have in that person. Um, And they bully these people because they've been hurt. You know, it's that hurt people hurt people thing. That's what it is. But they don't think it's as bad as bullying like in real life. Bullying is terrible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You're going to hit somebody? How dare you, you fucking monster. Well, you're emotionally scarring people online every day. And you think you're doing it through this. It's like one of the things, Elon's talked about this, that one of the things that woke does, it allows really mean people. This ideology allows really mean people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think it does too. And I also think it ramps up anxiety in a huge way for the people that are actually engaging in it. The people that actually do it, I think they're just fully anxious all day long. And I think it's terrible for mental health. Even if you're like quote unquote winning these verbal battles online that you're engaging in, I think it's terrible for everybody.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's really terrible for the people that are just like all day long negative. Like there's an arguing with people. Like why do you want that in your life? That's a very unusual position to be in where all day long you're in conflict. That's only war. Yeah. In the real world, most of the day, there's no conflict. That's why conflict is so uncomfortable, because it's so unusual.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you're used to conflict with people all the time, and you see some guy, and he's like, fuck you. No, fuck you. But if you're not used to someone saying, fuck you, and then all of a sudden, hey, fuck you, and you're like, what? Like, you're terrified. You're freaked out. Like, what's going on? Oh, my God, this is conflict.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The kind of conflict, verbal conflict, that people engage in online all day long has the same sort of effects on your psyche. You are perceiving the world to be this. This is one of the things that's so polarizing about this particular election, right?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That people are willing to accept propaganda because it feeds into their view of the world, which is that they're engaged in this moral battle, good versus evil. And both sides think they're good, and both sides think the other side is going to be the end of the world. And it's accentuated heavily by mentally ill people that are on Twitter all day long.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If I was not a quote-unquote public figure, I would be off everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I have a problem, too, in that I'm a comedian and that I'm also a gold miner, right? So what that means is when I'm going through my news feed, my news feed is the thing I'm the most addicted to. I'm mining for gold. Like, what's going on here? What'd they do? They did what? They fucking what? And I need those. Those are really important to me because, like, those can be my next hour of stand-up.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Those can be—they're chunks. And it's not every day. It's like I can go through 30 days of nonsense and just not one thing. But every now and then, there's a chunk of gold in there. I'm like, oh, I got one. And then I put that in my notes, and I justify endless scrolling to get to those gold nuggets.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
really intense curiosity i'm really curious about all kinds of things there's so many subjects i'm really really interested in i mean i would i would for sure still be paying attention to you know science issues and space travel and you know new discoveries and the universe and there's a bunch of stuff that i would just be ancient history ancient civilizations i would be there's no way i would not be fascinated by them because they almost have nothing to do with my job
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The problem is if you do and you do it just once and then you get feedback and then people say, hey, I really like what you posted. Oh, great. And then and then all of a sudden you're connected and then you're like looking for this feedback. So you're trying to post things to get likes and you're trying to post things to get reposts and get comments and you're engaging in the comments.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And now now it's now you're fucked. Now you're locked into this weird ecosystem with these people you don't even know. They might be all stupid. They might be all really annoying people that you would avoid in real life. Like if you work with them, you're like, oh, there's Tom. Let me get the fuck out of here. And you go to the other side of the office. But now you're engaging with them.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
People that you avoid having conversations with, you are now in mortal combat with words on Twitter. And it's fucking stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I feel like you got your money's worth with her, seeing as it's $15,000. But I feel like you got robbed by the lady that got upset about the mascot.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, you're the product of what you take in, even if that information is, like, low impact. It's not the same impact as being there when the hitmen show up and gun the guys down in front of the cafe. I've seen these videos where it's just mass shootings. This one video I saw the other day of some gang violence situation.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
These guys drove by, gunned these guys down, and then the guys started shooting back, and they were all shot while they're shooting back. Then the car backs up, and then they gunned them down more. It's fucking crazy. But it's not the same as being there. If you were there, that would haunt you for the rest of your life.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you were across the street and you watched that happen, you watched these people die, it would haunt you for the rest of your life. But you get a little blip. Instead of getting a 100% dose, you get a little 1% dose. A little 1% dose. And you get them all day long. And by the end of the day, you're just like, what the fuck is the world?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. It's a horrible thing to see. But it's like Twitter in that it's not a full experience. If you were having the kind of exchanges that some people have with each other where they're just ruthlessly insulting and shitty to people, if you were having those in person, there's a high probability that that's going to lead to violence. Actual violence.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like if two men are in a room and one man starts insulting this other person like really like viciously and talking about their life and their family and all kinds of crazy shit that people do online. There's a probability. It's more than zero percent that this is going to result in violence. But there's zero possibility of it online. It's just it's just free. It's a free shot.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And that's a part of the problem as well, is that it's not a real human interaction. So you're getting like these little doses of shittiness from people, but you're not getting this one burst where you and this guy are about to throw down because he's like he's insulting you to the point where like this person is actually dangerous. Like this is actually this person hates me.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like this could be a real bad situation here. And I think much like that exists on Twitter where you have these little shitty interactions, it's like 1% of real hate and it just adds up over time. That's the same thing as seeing violence, seeing all these executions, seeing all these botched robberies, seeing all these people that get murdered in some third world country.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You just get a little tiny piece of it all the time and it normalizes it. It's probably really, really bad for us.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's what they want. That's what people want to do when they say things like that. Like this is my opinion. And a lot of it is like really out of line. Like a lot of it is just like the worst possible – like I said before, like the least charitable takes, the least nuanced, this ridiculous caricature of a human being just to try to –
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just to try to demonize them to make yourself look virtually or virtuously Superior, it's just dumb. It's a dumb way for people to communicate and the kind of people that do it are all losers Yeah, there's no like really exceptional fascinating people that engage in that kind of stuff Well the thing that gets me I don't mind when people insult me.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's also who knows who's doing it. And at this point in time, we have to accept the reality of propaganda. And that there, you know, we've talked about this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again. There was an FBI former analyst did some sort of a study on Twitter where he was estimating the amount of bots versus this is like right around the time when Elon was saying that it's more than 5%.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He said he thinks it's about 80%. He thinks 80% of the accounts. Yeah. 80% of the accounts are fake accounts. which just stop and think about if you're in a country, okay? Let's imagine you want the politics of America to swing in a certain direction because we most certainly do this in other countries.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, we don't have to educate people on the long history of interventionist foreign policy where we have gone in and installed new leaders of countries and organized all kinds of shit. So we do it and we do it and we know they do it. But isn't it like the cheapest way to do it? Wouldn't it be to do it on social media? Yeah. And if you did it, why would you do it with one account?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why wouldn't you have a million accounts? I would have a million accounts. You just gotta get a computer that keeps making new accounts. And you run a program, it's not the most difficult thing to do. For people that know how to actually code operating systems, you don't think there's someone out there that can code a computer program
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
that can operate millions of different Twitter accounts, and you run it through some sort of AI that you've developed, some large language model on things to say about MAGA, or things to say about abortion, or things to say about conservatives, or things to say about liberals, and you put a fucking American flag in your little bio, or you put a pronoun thing, he, her, zee, zur, whatever it is, and then you just flood the internet with fake anger.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
and fake discourse, and you lie about people, and you, anytime there's a post about anything controversial, you insert something in there that gets people even more riled up, you could get people, you could swing the vote. You could swing the vote in one way or another, especially with fence-sitters, with people that are not sure, like, I don't know, is Trump really the answer?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No one ever found out who the identity of the mascot is? No.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then you get online, and you see all this hateful shit, or you might get on a MAGA forum, and you go, oh, they are eating cats. He was telling the truth. ABC's biased. And you could swing it one way or the other. And I think they're all trying to manipulate it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
All these foreign governments, and I think internally in the United States, I'm sure there are groups that are doing it too, that are manipulating things in one way or the other in a disingenuous way because it's available. And I don't know how to stop it. I think the only way for you to not personally be really... affected by it is you have to understand that it exists.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It would have been hilarious if it was a person of color.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then you have to recognize that, you know, some of these takes are not even real human beings. So instead of saying, Jesus Christ, people would think that way, go, maybe not. Like maybe this isn't, maybe there's a few people that think that way, but you're being led to believe that it's a huge movement of people. When it might not be.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the problem is when it even if it's fake, people are so stupid that even if it's a fake thing that becomes a bit of a movement online with fake dumb people will jump in there and then it'll become a real thing. Yeah. Like you're aware of the the free bleeding movement that 4chan pushed. Yeah, I think I heard of that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It became real. That's what I'm saying. Or flat Earth is the same thing. It became a joke. People were fucking around at first. We've known the Earth has not been flat for a long-ass time. But now that's totally real. Now it's totally real. Now there's massive groups of people that think the Earth is flat. Which isn't. I can't. I can't. I don't know how that – yeah. Yeah, you can't.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But the thing is that's how dumb people are, that you can have a fake thing and say it enough times and enough people jump in and be on board with it, and then it becomes a real thing. And then you don't even have to use propaganda anymore. These morons are doing it for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's just people that really are not educated. That's number one. And people that believe that there's a collusion that's so large that all of the space agencies from Japan, from China, from Russia, all of them are liars. That all of them are colluding together to hide the true shape of the earth.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you got to imagine you can't see real good with that fucking costume. You ever put a mascot costume on?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because if we really knew the earth is flat, then it always is connected to some sort of a Bible thing. Like it's the firmament and they believe that we're hiding the fact that God is real. And somehow there's some mass conspiracy that all these world governments and every person that ever was involved in the space agencies, they've all hid from us.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I used to believe in the moon landing. You don't anymore? I had a joke in my act about it, that before COVID, I would have told you vaccines are the most important invention in human history. And after COVID, I'm like, I don't think we went to the moon. Yeah, I know that was in your – but do you actually think that? I think there is a less than zero possibility that we did not go to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, my gosh. I know. Why do you think we went to the moon?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't argue with any of the things you're saying. But one of the things that I think you have to consider was... If it's not possible for human beings to safely go through the Van Allen radiation belts and out into deep space without much protection and face the temperatures that are on the surface of the moon, which get up to 250 degrees and 250 degrees below zero in the shadows.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's no environment there. It's hostile beyond belief. Micrometeorites are flying into the moon all the time. They're flying through space all the time. We've never had a single biological organism go out into deep space, pass the Van Allen radiation belts, and then come back to Earth and come back alive, except human beings during the Apollo missions.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Duncan and I did a whole podcast where we pretended to be furries. Every podcast we do, we dress up. We'll dress up like Star Wars people or whatever. Spaceship people. We did a podcast as furries. We kept the helmets on for maybe five minutes. We're like, I can't fucking do it. And we both took them off. Props to the furries. If you could run around with this thing on, this is hard to do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every single space station mission, every single space shuttle mission, All of them are inside 350 miles from the Earth's surface. The only time human beings have ever been past that and through the Van Allen radiation belts was the Apollo missions. And we were the only humans that were ever able to do that. The Russians never figured out how to do it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No one else figured out how to do it but the Apollo astronauts. And we did it seven times, six successfully from 1969 to 1972. If you said to me, do you think that they could fake the moon landing today? I would say no. I would say no, no, no, no. People are going to be able to track it. It's very easy. They have satellites. They're going to know everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But in 1969, the technology was so crude that when they first showed the Apollo 11 landing – They didn't even show a direct feed to the networks. So like if you're on CBS News, you don't get a direct feed. What you do is you point a camera at a projection screen. So that's why the film looks so shitty.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The camera is pointed to a projection screen where you see the astronauts jumping around on the moon. And you see this weird, grainy, third-generation image, right? And we did it, and we have never done it since. And we've always said we're going to do it, and no one's ever even come close. No one's ever even gone into deep space since 1972. We also haven't been trying. We haven't been trying.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But we always talk about going back, including Herbert Walker Bush talked about going back. George W. talked about going back. They all talk about going back, but nobody ever gets anywhere. Right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We didn't just lose that. We lost all the technology from the Saturn V rocket. They don't even have that anymore. In fact, they don't even have the original film. They erased all the original footage of the Apollo missions. So you just have copies of everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you can get through the Van Allen radiation belts into deep space with human beings and have them safely come back.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I see what you're trying to say. The evidence that they went to the moon, there's a bunch, right? There's moon rocks, that's one. There's lunar reflectors that they placed on the moon, that's another. And there's a couple problems with those. First of all, the Soviets put laser reflectors on the moon as well.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And also the moon itself, in many places where you shine lasers on it, it bounces back by itself. The reflective quality of the moon, the reason why the moon is so bright and white in the sky when the sun hits it, you get a certain amount of bounce back off of different things with lasers. Um, there's some photographs that are interesting. What was it? Was the India?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
What was the one where they got the most high resolution photos of the lander?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of the things that's interesting is they gave a moon rock to, um, was it a prime minister of Holland? Is that what it was? Which one was the moon rock they gave that turned out to be petrified wood? So the Apollo astronauts gave a moon rock to some foreign dignitary, and it turned out to be a piece of petrified wood.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They do have samples of moon rocks that came from the moon, but we also have those on Earth. In fact, Wernher von Braun in 1968, I believe, went to Antarctica. There's all these photographs of him in Antarctica. Antarctica is a great place to take moon rocks because Antarctica is just this gigantic sheet of white, and you can spot the meteorites in the ground. So this is the photo.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This is from what? What is this from? What is the – so this is an – yeah, Indian Space Research Organization's – I don't know how to say that word – Shandipur. Chandrayaan-2 orbiter captured images of NASA's Apollo 11 and 12 landing sites and lunar modules from 100-kilometer altitude. Apollo 12 image astronaut boots tracks are still even visible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Due to the recent interest in another post I shared, I decided to download and view the raw imagery. So that looks like there's some kind of thing on the moon. Pretty good evidence. It is evidence that something's on the moon. It's not evidence that human beings went to the moon. See, we have things that are on the moon. We have things on Mars right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We had things that were – we'd shot things into space for sure.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's not proof in and of itself, but it is evidence. Listen, I'm not saying we didn't go to the moon. What I'm saying is the subject is complex. And it's not even a little complex. It's really complex. Yeah. There's a documentary called The Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This guy Bart Sebrell, he was a guest on the show too, been obsessed about this his whole life and absolutely believes that we never went to the moon. And there's enough shit that you go, okay, if he's right about any of these things, it's weird.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of the things was some of the photographs of the moon, they ran through one of those AI detectors that can tell you whether or not something's false or artificially generated. And it showed different images from, I think it was a Chinese satellite of the moon. They said this is legitimate. But then it got to these Apollo images and they said these have been doctored. Who said that?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't think so. I think they only ran a few images through. See if you can find those, Jamie. Find what they did. Again, this is not saying that we didn't go to the moon. It could be. And this was a fact with the Gemini 15 program where Michael Collins – there was a photograph of Michael Collins that they took in one of his –
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
One of his training exercises where he had those packs that they put on where they can move around while they're doing moonwalks. Not moonwalks, spacewalks outside of a – where they're connected by a tether. And he was like in this harness and manipulating this device.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And what they had done is taken a photograph of him training and then someone, probably some overzealous PR person, had taken that photograph and then blacked out the background and – tried to pass it off as a really clear photograph of him out there on a spacewalk, which is probably very difficult to get, right? You'd have to have another person at the camera frame it, right? They had this photo.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're like, look, he did it. Let's just pass this off as the real thing, which is, you know, you're also talking about the Nixon administration where they were just full of shit constantly.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. So there's different video where they ran it through and they said it was real. Was it a Chinese program? But when they ran the American ones, the American images, they said that they were doctored. Again, it doesn't mean that we didn't go to the moon, but it does mean, okay, there's that. That's weird. Have you ever seen the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference? No. Yeah.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It looks like a hostage video. Looks like a bunch of guys who don't want to be there. They look real fucking nervous and they look real deceptive. If you watch that video, it's weird.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Not necessarily for the best. Well, there's actually like a psychological condition that they talk about, this sort of understanding that we're all connected. It's like akin to a religious experience that many astronauts get when they go up to the space station and look down at the Earth and go, oh, my God, what are we doing?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like we're all together in this thing and we're so alone in the universe. And for us to be fighting over these trivial differences and these stupid lines in the dirt that we draw when we are like just clinging to this ball in the middle of everything.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But I think that's a weird way to frame it, right? Is there evidence of a hoax of the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Do you think there's evidence? Well, but the event itself being that JFK was killed happened. Right, but that's not the conspiracy. So the conspiracy is, did he act alone? And is there evidence that he didn't act alone? What do you think?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. Right. I don't know exactly what happened. Nobody does. Exactly. Same exact perspective. Same exact perspective about this moon thing. Like it may have happened, but this was a time of deep deception in the American world. This is a time after Operation Northwoods. This is a time after the Kennedy assassination. This is a time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, this is a weird fucking shaky time in terms of propaganda. This is after Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex. This is like there was a lot of deception. Gulf of Tonkin incident. There's a lot of open deception. that the American people were being subject to. And then there's this Cold War between us and Russia, this space war for superiority.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's not even evidence. Real evidence would be some sort of documentation, some sort of a way to go over – There's a binary code that shows the distance between the Earth and the lunar module at every stage of the journey. But that's missing. That stuff's missing. All the tracking data, they can't find it. All the original footage is missing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And that could just be people are really bad with historical items. That's possible. But to say that... faking the moon landing would be a bigger achievement than actually going to the moon. I would say only if people could actually go to the moon. So here's the question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Can we really, everyone wants to dismiss it, can we really send a biological entity into space, go through that radiation, which is thick, covering the earth, and have it come back alive? Well, supposedly... This is the only time people had done it. And supposedly the way they did it was by going through the top area of the of the earth where the Van Allen radiation belts.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's like kind of like a donut that surface that covers the earth. It's not uniform. And there's an area at the top where you can go out. But according to Bart Sabrell, they didn't go that way because he would have had to launch from Antarctica to do that. It's not really possible that that happened, that they went that way.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So he thinks that if they did go through that, there is no other examples of living things that have done that and come back alive. And they've known that this is an issue. They've known that this Van Allen radiation belts, which is this band of heavy radiation that covers the earth and protects us. They've known that it's out there because they tried to blow it up once.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There was a thing called Operation Starfish Prime where they launched one of several nuclear bombs into the radiation belt to try to blow a hole through it. When did that happen? 67 maybe? It was Starfish Prime. But it did the opposite effect. Why did they do that? They wanted to see what happens. Shits and giggles? Well, they had so much power.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And, you know, you've got nuclear bombs and you can't blow people up, but you're still doing studies. So they're doing tests all throughout Nevada. I mean, that's what killed John Wayne. John Wayne got cancer because he was working on a set doing a Western. right next to where they were blowing up nuclear bombs. Like 200 people on the set got cancer.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Starfish Prime, high altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support Agency, July 9th, 1962. So this is like while Kennedy was in office. They were trying to figure out how to, we will get to the moon, not in this decade, but in the other, or whatever he said. High altitude nuclear test.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So the thing it did, unfortunately, was it supercharged the bands and it made it have much more radiation. Not only that, it blew out power in some parts of Hawaii, I think. I think it cooked a few satellites, right? We talked about this the other day. It cooked a few satellites.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If they did. Well... Listen, we know they sent people into near-Earth orbit. That's a fact.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because we actually can see that. We can see where they launched. You can follow the trajectory. You can know about the propulsion units that they used. You know about what they were trying to accomplish. And you can watch it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They never even tried that. They just did it. Right. That's what's even crazier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The last time they did it was 1972. You don't think that's a little weird? Not really. No, no, no, no. Listen, listen. Even if they did go to the moon, let's say, I'll say they went to the moon. It's fucking weird. Everything from 1969 is easier, cheaper, and faster to reproduce today, except the moon landing, except space travel. I just don't think there's a will.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Do you know how much fucking resources there is on the moon? Do you know how many valuable minerals are on the moon? And trillions of dollars of things that are very difficult to find in the United States are on the moon?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't think that these days – I think we should care about that, but most people don't care about – If we found out that we didn't have to dig for lithium, that we could just go to the moon and pull giant chunks of it out and not have slave labor and no one has to feel bad about using your iPhone, you don't think that they would do that? Of course they would do that if they could.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you could have a mining station on the moon, no problem at all, totally safe, of course they would do that. It only takes two weeks to get there. People mine in northern territories. People mine in Canada in these horrible conditions, fucking freezing cold out.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But that's a crazy one to say that someone cutting in front of you a selfish act is somehow racist. That's like looking for racism everywhere. Because that kind of situation is so normal. It's so normal that some dick cuts in front of you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but it's so valuable. I know. The idea that they wouldn't do that and they haven't done anything even remotely close to that since 1972 is weird. I agree that it's...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's very unusual. It's unusual technologically. It's incongruent. It's incongruent with technological progression. We have that with everything else. Everything else. Phones are in your fucking pocket now, and they have more computing power than the entire cluster that they used to launch the Apollo program. The Apollo program was a fucking giant room full of computers.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Your phone is significantly more powerful than that. Everything else got better except that. We thought that people were going to be going to space all the time. You ever watch that TV show Space 1999 when you were a kid? No. You're younger than me. There was a stupid show called Space 1999, and they thought, boy, by 1999, we'll be flying around spaceships and people will be living on the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every time they've done in the past, like after the moon landings, every time they did any sort of science fiction movie, it always involved colonies already established on the moon and on Mars and people traveling. Because we thought that was going to happen. Orville and Wilbur Wright, right? Think about the launch of the first airplane.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then the launch of the Apollo program, it's only like 60 years. It's kind of crazy. The launch of the first airplane ever and dropping nuclear bombs out of an airplane is only like, what is it, 50 years? I think it's something kooky. Yeah. 50, 60 years. That's nuts.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But then now you have supersonic jets like 100 years later. Now you have insane capabilities of like Air Force fighter jets. unbelievable power and maneuverability far beyond anything anybody would have possibly imagined when Orville and Wilbur had that stupid fucking bird-looking flimsy thing. So everything progresses technologically, except...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Here's the problem with what you're saying. The American people don't get a say in whether or not we do things. They don't get a say in whether or not we make a space shuttle. They don't get to decide whether or not we establish a new space station. No one talks about it. They just do it. We barely get a say in how much money goes to Ukraine.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but how much is funded to go to Ukraine? All of a sudden, they had $175 billion plus to fund this proxy war. Who decided that? It wasn't the American people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But what my point is, is that if you had a skillful politician who got on television and explained that we have found a solution to all of our energy problems and it's mining on the moon. And through this mining on the moon, we are going to increase the overall way of life for every single human being on on America's soil. We are going to raise everybody above the poverty level.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Nobody wants to be reasonable. Nobody wants to say, well, is that like you just say, oh, wow. You know, you have to listen to it. That's part of the problem. Like you can't say, are you sure that's racist? Because then you're a racist apologist and then you're racist by proxy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There'll be no impoverished people because we have literally found trillions of dollars. And very, very valuable minerals. And by using our United States taxpayer funds to fund this program and to finance it, we are going to allow the entire country to share in some of this wealth. And we're going to change energy distribution and consumption in this country in an incredible way.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's going to be beneficial to everybody. And it's going to make a bunch of people really rich, too. But it's going to change the quality of life for every person in this country. And this is how we're going to do it. Everybody will be on board.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, but you could make that case with the amount of minerals and the amount of valuable resources you can get, not just from the moon, but also from mining asteroids, which they're attempting to do now. If you can get people out there, if you really can get people out there... So here's the question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you couldn't do it, if they knew they couldn't do it, but they wanted to show that they could do it, could they... compartmentalize things, could they feed a computer program that is, instead of the actual binary data that shows the distance between the lunar module and the surface of the Earth at any given time, could they just calculate that out with computers? Of course they could.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, that's possible. Could they, if they couldn't get human beings into deep space and have them come back alive because they couldn't figure out a way to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and survive micrometeors and all the other shit that you deal with, could they... get enough people to shut the fuck up because it's in the best interest of national security.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Of course they could, especially in 1969. People were fucking terrified. They had just killed the president six years earlier. People were absolutely terrified of getting... under the sights of the intelligence agencies. And if you have top secret clearance, if you're involved in some sort of a project, like look at the Manhattan Project. People kept their fucking mouth shut.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They knew they were working on something of importance that was above and beyond their need to yap about shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because you actually have a real space program. So the space program's not fake, right? So let's just assume I'm a non-believer. I would tell you that the space program was absolutely real. The Saturn V rocket was absolutely real. The modules, the way they were able to parachute down into the ocean, 100% real. They did go into space. But how far did they go? This is the real question. And Bart...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Sibrel, the guy who made this documentary, he asserts that they went somewhere into Earth's orbit, like, you know, in space, but not through the Van Allen radiation belts and not to the surface of the moon and back. And that they had video footage that they had done in some scenario. Some people think it's in the Nevada desert. Who knows what it is?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But they had this footage of people bouncing around and they said they got it on the moon and then they brought this back.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, he has a bunch of different things, and one of them is the one that's very hotly debated, and it's the... different light sources in the photographs. So a lot of the photographs from the surface of the moon have intersecting shadows.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So you have a shadow that's going this way and another shadow that's going that way, indicating more than one light source or a close-by light source that's coming in, not something that's millions of miles away like the sun.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
there's those there's the photographs there's the photographs that run through ai he has this other video of what looks like them filming the earth through one of the round portal windows with everything blacked out in the cabin and then they pull down the things that were blocking off the other light sources and the cabin floods with light and it looks like they're in near-earth orbit and it's very confusing
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because you're like, well, what is that video? What exactly is going on there? Because if they really are in deep space and they really are filming this small image of the Earth, because that's all they can see from 200,000 miles out, well, why, when they take those things down, does it look like the whole cabin is filled with light? Why does it look exactly like they're in near-Earth orbit?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Have you ever seen it? You want to see it? Sure. For shits and giggles. Yeah, because we're in the middle of this stupid conversation. It's a fun one. It's one of the most fun of all conspiracy theories. Because if they did it, wow. First of all, if they killed the president, wow. And it seems like they kind of did that. So if they did this too, like what else did they do?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like what other hoaxes were played on the American people if this is real? That's why it's fun. I'm not saying it's real. But it is a fun one. It's not as simple as the Earth is flat. That's a stupid one. But this is a fun one.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
This is a fun one because you're dealing with the kind of power with complete control over the media, complete control over newspapers and what they reported, the interest of national security, the Cold War with Russia, the space war with Russia. We wanted it so bad we brought in some of the most heinous human beings that have ever lived to run our NASA program.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Let me show you the video. Let me show you the video. Jamie, you got that? Funny thing happened on the way to the moon. I know, but I can't. Is he hiding it? I know it's available.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay, you'll find it. He'll find it once he does. Again, I'm not saying we didn't go. I'm saying this is a fun one and it's a weird one.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's incredible. But we know that it happened. It's incredible, but it doesn't compare because they do it now easily. So anybody can get in a ship right now and travel. You can get a small boat that you have enough resources and you have enough gas and you can travel through these routes. You can do it. It took them hundreds of years, though. But you can do it right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So it's way easier to do now. Right. So it's something that they did. That's incredible. No doubt. No argument. But something that could be reproduced today easily. Or at least possibly. I wouldn't say easily. It's a task.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But it got better right after each one did it because they had maps now. And then they also used their sextants and they understood constellations in a way that most people don't today. And sextants, if you actually use them correctly and you understand which way the tides go and which way the water currents are going...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
which way the flow was happening, they had a deep understanding of the currents of the Earth. They knew travel lanes. They knew which ways they could go with ships. So applying that to the open ocean, applying that to these continents they weren't even sure were there, it was very iffy, very dangerous, very courageous. But once they did it, then everybody else could do it easier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then they started doing it better and better, and then people started coming to America, and then ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, and now here we are. And now anybody can get in a boat. Anybody with enough resources can have a boat that can travel those routes. No one can just say, I want to go to the moon today and get their private moon craft and fucking shoot off into the atmosphere and land on the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So no one's done that since 1969. That's a recent occurrence in terms of human history, but not technologically. The technology from 1969, it's like cave people shit compared to what we have today. So you really can't compare... The courageous, amazing deeds of these early explorers. Because what they did was absolutely fantastic. But they left a clear record of how to do it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then each person improved upon it. And now it's easy to do. But it was still, I mean. The spacecraft travel is not. There's nothing like that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, they had maps. They had maps and they had sextants and they had a detailed, at least crude, understanding of the shape of certain continents. Like, there's maps from the 1500s. There's maps from before that. There's plenty of maps that are rough estimates and pretty good job, actually. The cartographers back then were astonishingly good because it was so valuable to be good at that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now, this is the footage. So let's just watch this. So this is Neil Armstrong talking to Houston. So give me some volume.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why is that? We're not watching the movie. All right, so let's do this. He and I will watch it with the sound on, and we'll tell everybody else to just go to the website or go to the YouTube video so we don't get pulled off of YouTube. We'll watch it, and we won't say anything, and then after it's over, we'll come back. So play it, because I want them to hear it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So I need to know that. Well, here's two problems with that video. One, the English accent. Those motherfuckers. If they want to sell you something on late night TV, they use an English accent because it makes someone look more intelligent, more sophisticated. The crescent insert. Why would they fake any of it? And then they got you with the music. The music is manipulative.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So they're manipulating you in two ways. They're manipulating you with the woman's voice, and they're manipulating you with the music. So you're saying they are manipulating you with the video. I'm saying they most certainly are manipulating you in that video. That video is not just the video. So what I would rather have is just the video and watch that. But we do get to see them say...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
the distance they are from the Earth. Here's a couple of questions, right? What does it look like? What is the shine from the Earth from 200,000 miles out? And maybe in order to be able to film that, you have to block off the light from all those other windows because even though it's 200,000 miles out,
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just like the moon lights up the sky on a night where there's a full moon and you're outside, you can see. Like a really good full moon with a clear sky, you can see the ground. It lights it up. And the moon is one quarter of the Earth's size, and the moon is 250-plus thousand miles away. So if something is four times bigger...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
than the moon and the blue from the earth's oceans, like when you see it from the space station, it is powerful. I mean, it is a potent reflector of sunlight. So you could say that he's just ignorant about how much reflection you would get from the surface of the earth from 200,000 miles away. And even though They are filming it by blocking out all the lights and filming it through this window.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That actually is the earth. That's actually what it looks like when you're in deep space. You could say that too. You just don't know. It's hard to figure out what's what. It's hard to figure out what's what. But when you see a video like that, you just go, hmm, okay, what is that? And I don't think it's impossible to fake people going to the moon. I think it would be very difficult.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It would require a lot of people to be on board. But I also think it could be compartmentalized. The people that make the rockets, what you're doing is you're making a specific part, and this guy's making another part, and you have the engineers put this thing together, and you launch this thing into space. The people that would have to know are the people that are actually charting the trajectory
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
of the Apollo mission, the people that are actually talking to the astronauts and explaining to them what to say during the press conference, the people that are engineering the whole thing. And you could probably get away with doing something like that with a few hundred people. And you could get a few hundred people of high-ranking people that have top-secret clearance to keep their mouth shut.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Have you ever seen the video footage of the astronaut hopping by the flag, and the breeze of him hopping by makes the flag wiggle? He doesn't touch the flag at all. The flag is completely stationary, and the astronaut hops by the flag, and as he hops by the flag, the flag wiggles.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, we'll show it to you. It's weird. Listen, what you're saying is entirely correct. Everything you're saying is entirely reasonable and correct if they actually can get through the Van Allen radiation belts. If they can, this is stupid. This whole thing's stupid.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's just you can say frat boys are annoying and not hate men. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if they can't really do that and they never have done that and the only time they say they've done that is these missions, it gets real weird. And since they haven't done it since then, it gets real weird. And it's not just that. There's other video. It's not just the one where the guy's hopping by the flag.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's other ones where it looks like they're on wires, where they're being pulled up, where they fall down, they're being yanked up. The whole thing is weird. There's a lot of weirdness to the footage. The physics don't line up exactly the same.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you go to the early days of the Apollo 11 footage and you look at the difference between when they were playing golf and jumping around the moon, they move different. They cover more distance. It's like it looks different. They got better at it. They get better at filming it. They got better at whatever they're doing. And then there's the other question.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Maybe they actually did do it, but the cameras weren't able to handle the radiation and the film, which, you know, you wouldn't even be able to send your film through the radar detector at the airport back then because it would get fucked up. You'd have to put it aside. Maybe the radiation space fucks up the film.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So even though they did do it, they show you recreations or show you these test runs that they did and they film it because the actual film footage is impossible to obtain. That's possible, too. Hasselblad, who made the cameras, didn't put any special protection in these cameras.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There was nothing about them that was unusual that would be able to withstand that kind of radiation and that kind of heat of deep space. Yeah. Steve, do you have that one where the guy walks by the flag and he hops around and it wiggles? I have it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Plant flag. No, that's not it. What did you write? Astronaut flag. Type in astronaut hops by flag. Flag wiggles. Wiggles.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Astronaut hops by causing a breeze to move the flag. Okay, that's it right there. Click on that. That's it. That's the footage. Okay. So watch. So he's going to hop by. Okay. See that?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, but he didn't. Look. Look at the distance. Look how far away he is from it. Pull it back again. See where he is? So he's in front. He's way in front of that thing. He hops by and it wiggles. I don't know. He's in the suit. The suit's pretty clunky. Yeah, but he's not close to it. Look at the perspective. Let's look at it in slow motion. So watch. He hops by. It just wiggles in the breeze.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a breeze, dude. So that might not have actually happened on the moon, okay? That might be footage that they filmed in Nevada desert, and the footage they got on the moon got all fucked up, and so they tried to pass that off on people, and they thought no one would know. It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't go to the moon, but that does look weird. And it's just not one thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If that was the only thing, you'd be like, oh, well, who knows? But there's a lot of them. He could have hit it. It's possible.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's the other... Well, I don't think they thought people would catch it. First of all, you're dealing with a time where there's no VHS tapes. There's no internet, right? So you show it on television once. You get to choose what gets shown and what doesn't get shown. You film a bunch of shit. That's how they got that footage of them inside the crap filming through that circular hole.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because they don't air everything on television, but you have archives. So you have all these archives and these kooks go through the archives and they find things like that. Okay, but that doesn't even mean that that was actual moon footage. That could have been some of the training footage.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's good. It is persuasive. Definitely. But also he has a contract with NASA and he has to be very careful about what he says and does. And for him to say something incredibly insane, like we never went to the moon, even if he believes it. That would be a big risk with zero reward because there's no way to prove, as you've said, there's no way to prove that we didn't go to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And to say that we didn't go to the moon is a kook take. What the fuck is wrong with you? You can say stupid things like that when you're a comedian who's a podcast host.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if you have contracts with NASA and you run SpaceX and you are legitimately making some of the greatest breakthroughs in space travel that human beings have ever known, like what they're doing with those falcons when they have them land, fucking insane. Insane. Come back and land. I mean, we've never been able to do that before. And it's all because of Elon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, if he really is going to get people to Mars, something has got to be addressed eventually as to, you know, if they do it and they pull it off and it's easy and comfortable, okay, we probably did it in 1969. If they go to the moon and there's no problem going through the Van Allen radiation belts with no particular insulation other than what the spaceship had, maybe.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
99% against you? Yeah. Against your take. So most people think that we didn't go to the moon. It seems. Maybe that's your followers, bro. I think if you get the overall internet, it would go the other way. The overall internet, most people would think you're a kook for even entertaining the idea that we never went to the moon.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I would tell you that one of our greatest achievements is faking the moon landing. I think it's an amazing achievement. I think it's an amazing achievement. It's akin to turning Kamala Harris into the most compelling presidential candidate since Barack Obama. There's things that they can do with propaganda and spin that are truly amazing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And watching her become this celebrated character when just a few months ago everybody was upset that she was on the ticket. And, oh, my God, if Joe Biden dies and she becomes president, people are freaking out. Now all of a sudden everybody's like, yes, she should be president.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, she certainly has charisma when she has planned speeches and she gets to read off a teleprompter and maybe that thing in her ear. What do you think about that? You think that's legit? It could be. You see the company has responded? Yeah. What did they say? They definitely didn't deny it, and they said it looks very close to what our device is. Really? Go to their website.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It might be on their website. Somebody sent me something, and I just looked at it briefly, and I'm like, oh, this will probably come up today. I want to see it in real time. Because whatever the website is of the company that makes that thing, they've apparently addressed it on the website. But is that illegal? I don't know if it's illegal, but it's certainly incredibly unethical.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Unethical, for sure. But also, if they pulled that off with earrings, like fucking amazing. And it would explain because she stayed on script really well. Amazingly well. Amazingly well. Does it say anything about the presidential debates? No. The company's definitely responded. Maybe it wasn't their website. Maybe it was social media. What is the name of the company? I'm pretty sure this is it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay. Google Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debate. Nova Audio Earrings response to presidential debates. Yes. Um, I might've been a troll. That's why I wanted to see it in real time to find out what the fuck it is, but see if there's a website where they responded. Cause I think they did respond. I could find it. I know I saved it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Company says Kamala's earrings strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device. Okay. There it is. Strikingly similar to its Bluetooth device offers to make ones for Trump. Okay. Imagine if Trump starts wearing earrings. First of all, that would never work because you can't tell him what to do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's not going to happen. He's free-balling. We do not know whether Mrs. Harris wore one of our products. The resemblance is striking. And while our product is not specifically developed for the use at presidential debates, it is nonetheless suited for it. Okay, there you go.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
To ensure a level playing field for both candidates, we are currently developing a male version and will soon be able to offer it to the Trump campaign. The choice of color is a bit challenging, though, as orange does not go well with a lot of colors. That company's funny. They're funny. That's a funny company.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean, how crazy is the conspiracy theory that he didn't actually get shot? That he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, this was something that, like, people are always concerned about people being racist. But there's something that happened in this country somewhere around 2012-ish where things really, really ramped up. And it just became... it just became much more of a subject, a subject that was like constantly around, you know, worrying about racial bias and, and it, and it ramped up, right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. Or not. You know, the thing is shrapnel could be a small piece of shrapnel. You know, shrapnel's not uniform, right? So if it hits a railing, which apparently there is some shot, there's some video footage of, because I think there was nine shots fired total.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Was that what it was? Something like that. Something crazy like that. What about that, though? Trump sustained two-centimeter-wide gunshot wound to his ear. Okay.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I saw holes from when I got my ears pierced. Oh, yeah, but that's different. That's a hole. This is a scratch. I've gotten my ears fucked up a bunch of times from jiu-jitsu, and they heal pretty quick. It's foreheads heal quick, ears heal quick. Things around your mouth heal really quick. There's parts of your body that have a lot of blood vessels and they heal pretty quick.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's old, which is odd for him not to have a scar. But it's not inconceivable that it could just scratch the surface and that would cause a lot of blood. Like if you get a forehead cut. Forehead cuts are crazy. It just pours blood down your face. But if you get a cut like on your knee, it doesn't even drip. You have to have a real cut on your knee to be dribbling blood down your shin.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
The forehead is filled with blood vessels, as I think are the tips of the ears. So I think it would bleed a lot, and it might be a minor injury that bleeds a lot, and it could heal in a few days.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And people behind him, one guy died and other people got grievously injured, like terribly injured to the point where it's going to affect them for the rest of their life.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, as long as it's not in the news and it's not in the news, you don't care about it. Also, there was no press conference. So that's kind of crazy. There was no disclosure of all the information about this young man's prior history, what led him to this. They went to his apartment and it was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his place.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's also this bizarre thing where there's, you know how they get ad data where you can track where phones have been? Yeah. This one phone was going from outside of the FBI office in Washington, D.C. to where this kid is multiple times. So how did this kid get these explosive devices? How did he get up on the roof? How did they not flag him?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you see a guy walking around with a range finder a half an hour before the event. That guy is going to jail. Like what are you talking about? There's two reasons for a range finder. You're trying to shoot something or you're using it for golf. If you're not playing golf, then you're trying to shoot something. That's the only other reason for a range finder. And that was like three hours before.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. They knew about that kid. They were aware that he was there. He somehow or another got on the roof with a rifle. The whole thing sucks. It stinks to high heaven. And then they cremate him. He's gone. They get his body. Someone snatches his body like five or six days after the event. And 10 days later, he's cremated. The whole thing is nuts. Who is this kid? Why did he do this?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Why did some 20-year-old kid take shots at the president?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Not only that, think about how perfect it would have been for a plan to assassinate someone if you do get this lone, crazy kid... You give him whatever. I mean, there's been no toxicology examination of his body that's been released. Right. So who knows what the fuck this kid's on?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It ramped up to get to the point where you do have some of these race hustlers that are, saying everyone's racist. You must confront your unconscious bias. And you're just constantly hearing about it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If you're going to try to convince someone to go shoot the former president, you'd probably dope him up with some crazy shit. Right. And then that would be in a system and they would be like be able to trace. OK, how do you get this? Let's let's talk to all the people that are on his cell phone, all the people that are in his email.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Let's investigate and find out where the fuck he got this stuff that he's on when he shoots at the president. You don't hear a peep out of that. So this guy somehow or another figures out how to get on the roof, take these shots, and then they kill him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now, if he shot and hit Trump, if Trump didn't turn his head at that pivotal moment where they're talking about it, and it's a headshot, Trump is dead, the world's in chaos, and this kid's dead seconds later. And then it's like that. Crazy kid who shoots the president, and that's it. And then, OK, now who's going to run as a Republican? The world's in chaos.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, it would have been a perfect plan if that kid just pulled it off.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No, it's insane. The whole story is insane. And the fact that it went away is even more insane. And the fact that there was a brief moment where even Biden was saying that we have to stop being so polarized and stop attacking each other and just try to help this country heal. And then a week later, fuck that guy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. Well, I think you only want to address it once. And it's probably – look, he's got a great ability to push things aside. And it's one of the reasons why he didn't age like everybody else ages when they get into the White House. He kind of aged normal. He didn't seem any older when he got out as when he got in. He was the same guy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I think he's got this ability because so many people have hated him for so long. He gets attacked so often. He knows how to just shut it off and shut it out. And I think he probably did that with the assassination attempt too. It's one of the reasons why he said, I'm going to talk about it once and I'm not going to talk about it again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And he's basically held to that other than briefly mentioning it, that he thinks he got shot in the head because of the way they talk about him, which I would agree. I mean, if we watch that, we've watched that footage right before the podcast of Trump on the Colbert show that apparently never aired. But Jamie says you can get it on Colbert's Web site.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, because sometimes things get on YouTube that never air on television, like Fear Factor. The Fear Factor episode that got us canceled. You can't watch it on television. It would never air on NBC, but it's on YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Okay, so he might have actually been a guest. Yeah, he did. Okay, so he was a guest on it. But the way they talk to him, the way Colbert talks to him, and the way they talk to him on The View. The View is my favorite one. The view is wild when they're all hugging him and everybody loves him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, there's definitely this overcorrection. Robert Epstein talked about that. Robert Epstein has done all that work on Google and these ephemeral instances of interacting with Google where it shows you with search results and with news stories that get brought to your feed that they're temporary. You don't record them. So he records all these.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And what he has found through his research is that, especially with people that are on the fence – like people that are 50-50, you can swing 50-50 to 90-10. Like people that don't know who they're going to vote for, you can make it 90-10 just through these interactions with Google. It's really shocking. What do you mean 90-10 in what way?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
90-10, like say if you want Hillary to win or you want Trump to win, whatever candidate you choose, if you manipulate the search results, if you manipulate just the fill-in, you know, the suggestions, is Matt Walsh A, and then it just fills it in.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just through that, just through the suggestions, they can manipulate it to a significant difference for people that are on the fence, that are independents or that are undecided. And he said you can take 50-50 and turn it to 90-10, which is fucking stunning. It's stunning.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's terrifying and it's unregulated. And one of the things that happened was after Trump won in 2016, there was some sort of a meeting at Google where they were openly talking about this. And they were talking about, we can't let this happen again, which is such a crazy thing to say, that we can't let the people decide who they want to be president again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
If that is what they said, if that is what they – and let's find out what the actual quote was. I could see how someone would say that if they worked at an insurance company and they're a pro diehard Democrat, blue no matter who, and they were like, we can't let this happen again. I could see how you say that if you're just an individual voter who doesn't really have an impact.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if you're someone who can shift undecided voters from 50-50 to 90-10, as Robert Epstein is alleging, if that's true – That's a crazy thing to say because you're deciding you're going to decide the result of the election. And you don't give a fuck about debate and free speech and people being able to decide for themselves because you think that you're right.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
When I talk to some of my hardcore lefty friends that are still left in L.A. that I was telling you about before, they say we. They say we all the time. We have to win this. They say that all the time. We can win if this happens. They say that kind of shit. And they talk about it like they're talking about the Dodgers. They really do. They talk about it like they're talking about our team.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And they're connected to all these other people in their community and they're all on this team. And it's weird, man. It's a weird little hack. It's just like hypnosis. It's weird that you can just do that to people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's weird that you can get people to just ideologically be captured and join this team and lose all ability to look at things objectively and just understand nuance and understand the influence of propaganda. And like, how many people are spending money on this? Like, why is all the news have this one specific narrative? And then Fox News is a totally different. What is going on here?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Do you remember when Mitt Romney and Barack Obama debated? It was the most cordial, professional, respectful discussion of the issues and who could do a better job. Kind of amazing. Kind of amazing that that was – what was that, 2012?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You can't be yelling out, oh, baby girl. You're a congresswoman. This is crazy. And they're making fun of each other's wigs. Google versus Trump leaked video reveals executives' negative reactions to Trump's 2016 election victory. So what is the actual quote?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
So he's saying here, hold on. He's saying here most people are pretty upset and sad because of the election. Imagine that, most people. Like, how do you know? Myself, as an immigrant and a refugee, I certainly find this election deeply offensive. And I know many of you do, too. I think it's a very stressful time, and it conflicts with many of our values. So scroll up. What else does he say?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I don't have very high hopes, but he could do anything. You have no idea. Maybe he will do something great. Who knows? Take a little bit of wishful thinking.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, that's bias right there, saying that most of us are upset, right? For over 20 years, everyone at Google has been able to freely express their opinions at these meetings. Nothing was said at that meeting or any other meeting. to suggest that any political biases ever influences the way we build or operate our products. So this is Google's official statement. So what else did he say, though?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because the thing that Robert was alleging, that he was saying we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think a lot of us would agree this election was particularly hard. He said there was a lot of rhetoric.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Did you see the conversation where this woman was talking to someone from Trump's team, saying, worried that he was going to weaponize the judicial system once he got into office, that if he got into office, he would weaponize the judicial system and go after his enemies? Oh, wow. And he says, like, what... I can't imagine. What are you saying?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
For you saying that and asking whether or not Trump would do that... You have to acknowledge the fact that that's absolutely happening to him right now. And then she tries to push back against it and he does a brilliant job of explaining how she's incorrect. I'm going to find this, Jamie, because this is a good one. Unless you could find it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's so hard to find things that you save on these little social media platforms. See if you can find it, Jamie. No, it was from a conversation between someone in the Trump administration, someone on his team. And I know I can find it if you just give me a second.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, that's her argument is that Trump is going to weaponize the political system. And, you know, this guy saying, how are you even saying that without admitting that he that they're doing that right now to him? God damn it, I'm not going to find it. I don't know where I saved it. Sorry.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Every time I type it in, all I see is stuff about Trump saying he would use... I know, but that's because of Google, and that's why what's-his-face is correct. God, I know I saved it. Shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
No, well, he didn't do that when he was in office. He could have done that to Hillary. He said he thought it would be a bad look.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, probably when you think about what he actually did when he was in office. But that's why it gets weird. It's like because they can say something and it can be not true. But yet enough people repeat it. And then it just becomes a narrative that everyone just I mean, like it's true that he's a convicted felon now. But is it true that it's that it makes any sense? No.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
For you to say that he's a convicted felon. Like, OK, right. But what did he do? Do you know what he did? What he did is a misdemeanor. And it also had lapsed the, you know, whatever the fuck it is where you. Statue of limitations. Statue of limitations. Thank you. So and there's 34 counts for a bookkeeping.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. They don't care. So they just repeat that thing that he's a convicted felon. I can't find this goddamn thing. It's driving me nuts because it was really interesting. I hate when I save something and I don't know where I put it, but I know I do.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, it's just we're in the weirdest time where people are willing to believe bullshit. It's not as simple as being able to recognize bullshit. They recognize it. They have it right in front of them, and they're willing to believe it because it's more convenient to believe it. Yeah. All right. I can't find it. I'm giving up right now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, I know they have. But this one was really interesting because you see this guy combat it. And the way he combats it is so interesting to see her squirm. Because, yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. I mean, it's not a terrible crime that he committed. And you're making it seem as if it's... something that he deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life for. And that's crazy.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a crazy thing to say. And that might actually happen if he doesn't become president. If he doesn't become president, they might actually lock him up for 25 years for that, which is essentially the rest of his life will be behind bars at Rikers.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, you don't know. It's just so hard to tell what people would or wouldn't do today. It's just the whole country seems so committed to their side. And I don't know what a solution to that is, and I don't know how we get past this and whether Trump wins or loses. Like, what happens? What happens next?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But if he does get in office, then it gets very interesting because then it's like, what can he do now? Like how much different is his take on it now? Because one of the things that he said is the first time he got in, he didn't know anything about governing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's like, I had to find people and I picked some of the wrong people, but I know better now and I could do a better job of it now, which kind of makes sense. Because if I wanted to talk to him, one of the things I really want to ask is what is it like? The first when you actually get in there, they don't think you're going to be in there. And now all of a sudden you're the actual president.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Like, what is the resistance like? What are the communications like? What can you say about how you have these conversations with these people and how you how you govern, how you get things done? Yeah, how much power do you actually have? What is it actually like?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because we all have this sort of mystical view of what it's like to be the actual president, but very few people, and only one ever that's not a part of the system has ever snuck through and attained that position. It's only him.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's also going to be very interesting to see what do they do to try to prevent this from happening in the future?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Because one of the things that has been discussed is cracking down on misinformation and that free speech doesn't include misinformation, which is a wild thing to say after what we just went through with COVID, where what people were saying was misinformation turned out to be 100 percent true. And not just about COVID, but about a bunch of things. Hunter Biden laptop story.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's quite a few different things you could point to. Like, who the fuck gets to decide what's information? Only the government? You guys? The people that have lied about basically everything? This is a crazy thing to say and to be running on that and to get people to support that.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Just the lack of understanding of what it means to be able to freely express ideas and communicate and whistleblowers. Whistleblowers from corporations that are telling you about something they're doing that's illegal. Whistleblowers from government agents that are telling you they're spying on you when it's illegal. All that shit.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
To have that be filtered through the government is an insane position. And yet that's something that they talk about. And this is something bizarrely that the left supports.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Exactly. And it's like a childish view of truth and lies. It's childish. Because one of the only ways that people find out if something is correct or not is let someone say something that's incorrect. And then someone who knows a lot more comes along and corrects them. Right. Yeah. That's, that's how it works.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, like I had a Terrence Howard, you know, Terrence Howard, the actor, brilliant guy, but wrong about a lot of the things that he thinks he's right about. I brought him in with Eric Weinstein and Eric Weinstein, who's a genius, like a legitimate genius and a mathematician explained him like very patiently and carefully. This is why you're wrong. And this is what you need to know.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And you've got some good ideas, but you're off on all these different things. I'm an actual expert. And let me help you out here. And so anybody who saw Terrence Howard talk on the first podcast had this idea. Like, oh, wow, maybe he's right about all these things. Anybody who saw the second podcast with Eric, where Eric clearly corrects him and actually knows what he's talking about.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
He's a brilliant guy. Now you have a, that's what free speech is supposed to be about. That's what it's supposed to be about. An actual expert comes and corrects everything. And then you have this look at it like, okay, now I see. Now it's been, but it's not silence Terrence Howard because he doesn't know what the fuck he's saying. No, it's like let him talk.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Now let someone who really knows what they're talking about explain to him why he's wrong. That's the benefit of free speech. And everybody who listens to that has a better understanding of all these different really weird, complex things that they're discussing that maybe otherwise you would never have illuminated in that way. You'd never really be able to understand it.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah, it's complicated, and this childish idea that just handed over to the government to clean it up, that's not the answer. It is complicated. There are going to be people that say a bunch of things that aren't true. But the way to combat that is not put the government in charge of what's true, especially when they've been wrong so many times or they've just out and out lied so many times.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's a crazy position for the left to take, the ones who are supposed to be the party of science and reason and the ones who are supposed to be the most educated. It's just a bizarre perspective just because you don't want Trump to win. You don't want this to happen again.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It is ridiculous, but it's also a really goofy label that you can slap on basically anything. Like hate speech can get to the point where if you call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner, that's hate speech. That's dead naming. Dead naming falls under hate speech. And so what are you saying? You can't do that? Well, that's fucking ridiculous. I can call him a cunt, but I can't say his name is Bruce.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
That's insanity. What world are we living in where you can decide what someone can and can't say by a label? It's such a net you're casting. Hate speech, it's completely subjective. Anyone can decide what's hate speech.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right. And it makes things all equal to something like very benign versus something truly awful. It's all under this one stupid umbrella of hate speech.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Where do you think we would be if Elon hadn't bought Twitter?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And literally one of the most significant human beings historically ever. Right. He's like a Nikola Tesla type character that people are going to be talking about 100 years from now.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, not only that, like he made this tweet about how it damaged the ionosphere that when it blew up. But do you know that that like heals up in like 40 minutes? You didn't even bother looking into that. Every time they punch a rocket through that shit, it damages it. But it heals. It's like you punch a hole through a cloud.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, I think it's because it's just like a religious ideology. Like when the Taliban started blowing up those ancient statues of Buddhas. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because like they could... They destroyed things that were a part of human history that we would have studied for thousands of years. And they destroyed them because they didn't go along with their religious ideology.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I mean, they have a lot of them blow up. That's what you have to do until you get one that doesn't blow up.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You know, if that's what Stephen King wants to do today, let him go. Who cares? You know, it's interesting to watch. All of it is interesting to watch. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are fools, and they serve as education to others. You see the folly in their actions and behaviors and how stupid they look and how ridiculous this whole thing is, and it's there for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
You learn from those people. You have a better understanding of human behavior. You have a better understanding that people are capable of, you know, being really interesting, intelligent people, but also being buffoons at the same time.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
and that we're all subject to all these various influences, and especially through the use of social media, which just, like I said before, it's an anxiety-creating machine. And there's so many of these people that are attached to it that are so deeply rooted in these online conversations and so disconnected from the natural world. And it's odd. It's odd to watch. But they're there for you.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're there for an education, an understanding, a greater understanding of the weird nuances of human thinking. Because that's genuinely what this whole thing is all about. All the ideologies and all the left and the right and immigrants are great and immigrants are terrible and they're eating ducks.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
All of it is just human thinking, trying to figure out what's the correct and incorrect way that we all cohabitate and what's the best way for all of us to sort of get along.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
They're going to get bullied. How old are your kids? Our oldest are 11. That's young enough. They shouldn't have social media. Yeah, I agree with you there. But as they get into the high school ages, I think it's a new world. We're navigating it. They should learn how to navigate it, too.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think it is very addictive, but also there's people that know how to walk away from it and know how to self-regulate, and I think that's a valuable skill that I think everyone's going to have to learn.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I think part of the woke thing is this religious ideology that has to be followed. And you cannot stray from the lines. You have to stay inside whatever this ideology is promoting and telling you what to do. And one of the things was that you had to take down all these statues of terrible people.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I think we're going to look at it 20, 30 years from now the same way we look at people smoking. I think we're going to think, what were we doing? What were we doing giving kids those goddamn phones? What did we do? We don't even know what the kids of today who are on the internet who are subject to the same sort of horrific images that you and I were talking about earlier.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
What is that doing to people long term? I never got exposed to anything like that when I was seven. How many kids are getting exposed to murder videos when they're 10 years old? Probably quite a few. Pornography. Yeah. Oh, that's the craziest one, right? Because that was a hard thing to get. It was difficult. When I was a boy, we'd find magazines in the woods. You knew a guy who had a VHS tape.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Oh, my God. It was crazy. No one can find it. Now, kids have it on their phones, and it's instantaneous. You have 5G on your phone. You can go to any porn site anytime you want.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Well, you know, we had the guys on from that Chimp Crazy show. You know that new show on HBO where the people have pet chimps?
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Crazy. It's the same guys who did Tiger King. Oh. And it's amazing. It's on Max. It used to be HBO. And one of the things they said is that chimps get addicted to pornography.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. They get addicted to pornography and they watch it all the time. Like these certain chimps that get older, they give them iPads, they give them phones, and they show them, you know, they get on the internet. And if someone shows them pornography, they get addicted to pornography. That's crazy. That's crazy. And they start sexualizing human beings.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And the addictions to phones, which we all have, then the addictions to social media, which a lot of people have, and then you get these weird insulated groups that live in echo chambers, and that's, I think, one of the things you highlight the most about this show, this Am I Racist film that you made, is the struggle sessions where these people all get... The first scene where you...
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And I remember Trump saying at the time, well, the problem with that is, like, eventually they're going to take down George Washington. And everybody thought he was crazy. Like, that's a crazy thing to say. But once they got past Civil War people, then they got to who owned slaves.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
before they know who you are when you're you're going and it's sitting there and and talking to these people about these things like who are you like where do you live how do you think like this like what is going on in your life you've been exposed to this version of the world that seems so ridiculous to someone who's not in that bubble so ridiculous that it seems fake it seems like you're doing like a borat thing
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
And then they got to taking down – they wanted to take down statues of Thomas Jefferson and eventually did get to George Washington.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's a great scene. They called the cops. When the guy is saying, he's trying to hold your hand, trying to grab you, and you're like, I do not consent to be touched. He's like, I'm not going to touch you. I'm just going to answer your questions. Come, I'll answer your questions.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Yeah. Well, it was very funny at the end too. We tried to get people – spoiler alert – tried to get people to self-flagellate. Yeah. Well, there's – And just a few people are like, that's it, I'm out.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
We lost a lot of people. And yes, who's the most racist person in the room.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's a great movie, man. And it's just like What is a Woman in sort of the same vein of just it almost feels like satire. But you realize it's not. It's just ridiculous. But you do a great job. And you do a really good job of staying calm and deadpanning. Because I don't have that skill. I would not be able to hold it together. I would have to start laughing. At some point in time, I would crack.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
I wouldn't be able to not enjoy it in the moment. That's the thing.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
There's like a feel that you have when you go into it. Like if I was there and I didn't know you, I'd be like, I think this guy's fucking around. There's just an edge, just a touch of it, just a touch of it that makes it even funnier because you're hanging in there and you're being dead planned.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
But there's some moments where like one of my favorite moments was you asked Robin DiAngelo what mansplaining was. And then when she gave you a definition and you mansplained her, you corrected her. And she didn't even pick up with what you just did. Yeah. I was proud of that. It's very subtle. It's very subtle. I was stretching when I was watching that, just laughing really loud.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Right, right. So what can she say? Well, listen, man, congratulations. It's really funny. It's great. And I think it's a great way to expose how ridiculous some of this shit is. You can expose it by being angry and yelling and arguing with people on Twitter. But to do it the way you did it and just make it a hilarious hour and a half movie is really good. So kudos.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
Congratulations. All right. Tell everybody where they can see it. It's on dailywire.com. Actually, it's in theaters.
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#2204 - Matt Walsh
It's very funny, folks. All right. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a few people doing it. Yeah. They're all investigative journalists. They're all independent. They're all completely outside of any kind of Washington Post.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
and i got you know my eyes were too big for my stomach in a way because you're just like let's keep going the big thing too is keep it small keep it small dude keep it small like it's just me and jamie and we have a video editor that's not even local he just gets it on the internet and also jamie is super good vibes which is yeah no he's the best but it's it's the most important i have friends that have big podcasts and they have like this huge staff yeah and they have all these people running around i'm like what do all these people do
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's like they want this feeling of they're the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason. Like they want all these production people that are creating content. But then you have inter-office conflicts and they're always putting out fires and people are complaining. And then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece of shit boss you were.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's like, hey, man, you're dealing in this thing where there's currency in that information. There's currency for these people. these mediocre people. So you hire these mediocre people, and these mediocre people attack you because there's currency in attacking you, but you didn't need them in the first place. This whole thing was stupid.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You're making a little bit more money, but you have more problems, but you don't notice that money. You have to pay attention to what you notice. Whatever the fuck you have in your bank account, If you're a fairly wealthy person and you have $100 more, $100 less, $1,000 more, $1,000 less, you don't notice it. But I'll tell you what you do notice. You notice hassle. You notice problems.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Those problems are worth a lot of money to get rid of. Like, if you had a bunch of employees, like, fuck, what can I do? There's so many people. It's so annoying. God, I wish we were small again. Getting back to small again is a grind. You've got to fire people. You've got to downsize. You've got to figure out how to do it. That's a mess, man. You don't want that mess.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So that extra money that you got by making things too big, you fucked yourself. You got greedy. You looked at it the wrong way. Like, someone said to me, like, I was in the parking lot of the comedy store. This friend of mine was not even very successful.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It was like, I'm trying to find a new assistant. I go, why do you need a new assistant? He goes, you don't have an assistant? I go, no. I go, this is what you do. Do less shit. If you need an assistant, you're doing too many things. Do less shit. Don't get a fucking assistant. You have an assistant, you have what happens at David Spade.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The guy shows up with duct tape and a taser and tries to kill you. Remember that? Because they wind up resenting you. Because if you've got some person who's working for you, he's making $50,000 a year and you're making, you have $50 million. They want to kill you. After a while, they're like, I'm a part of this too. They don't think of it as this is a great job.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This job could eventually lead to something bigger. People get resentful. Also, the type of people that are 34 years old, they're working as an assistant. probably a little fucked up, probably made some mistakes, probably not really on the right path in life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Now all of a sudden you're connected at the hip to this person, and then they want to tell you about their problems, and maybe got an ex-wife, or maybe they got a this, and if they're making more money, they're going to make more money. And so you've, because you wanted to appear like you have a, everybody wants a big organization. Like Vice is big now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, it's like I had an unexpected education, like an unanticipated, unplanned education in all sorts of things.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You know, the JRE, we have a thousand employees worldwide. We have three employees.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Shane, can I pull you aside for a second? There's a project that my friend and I are working on. I'd really like to get you involved.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. Fun is the most important thing. Brian Cowell said this to me once and it's really great advice. He goes, all you really want is to be able to go to a restaurant and not worry about what things cost.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You get used to cars. You get used to houses. I realized early on, I got an apartment when I lived in North Hollywood. It was the first nice apartment I had. But after I was in it a couple of weeks, it was just my house.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's pretty amazing, yeah. I mean, you learn a lot of bullshit, too. Like, some of the stuff you learn is not true.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Just like the house I have now. It's not that much different. It's just like you're home. Okay, great. What do you need? You need a couch. You need a TV. You need a bedroom. You need a kitchen. That's all you need. Hopefully it doesn't stink. Hopefully it doesn't suck. Hopefully your neighbors aren't loud. Hopefully it would be nice if you have a view. That's cute. But other than that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Is it online? Can I see this thing? You can see it. Yeah, yeah. Did you put it online?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
What would Johnny Cash feel about his Rolls Royce getting Tesla power?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
No, Johnny Cash. You said he had the number one show on TV? Yeah, the Johnny Cash Variety Hour. Oh, my God. I thought you said Johnny Carson.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So when the batteries go bad, you can just swap the batteries out. Just plug it in? No, you just plug it in. No, but eventually the batteries will deteriorate to the point where you'll get really low mileage. You'll probably get low mileage already, right?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
God, that's beautiful. You must have had to upgrade the brakes in a big way, right? Because it's very heavy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, they do swap overs for, I know they do Porsches. I think they do a Mustang as well. But they take these classic cars. The problem is, you're not supposed to do that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't have any desire to have one of these things, but I think they're dope as fuck. They're dope as fuck. But the thing is, for me, I see that. Oh, that's disgusting. Get that off the screen. That does disturb me to no end. You took a GT40 and turned it electric. The thing about those old cars is the mechanical feel, and that is 90% of the experience of driving one of those old cars.
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Anyway, I love it. The thing is, like, they're supposed to have – I can see doing it with Johnny Cash's car. It's kind of funny. But you do into that, you should go to jail. You do that to a GT40, you should go right to jail.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, not really. Originally, you know, this is Ferrari versus Ford. This is the original car. I actually have the next version of that, which is the Ford GT. I have one of the 2005 ones that's a stick shift. I feel like if you drive a car like that, you have to drive a manual. It can only go, say, 160 miles. Right. And that's if you're driving like a grandma. But it has 800 horsepower.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's legit. I mean, he was an environmental attorney.
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It's probably fast as shit. You know, electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get and the way it feels. You just go whoosh.
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That's that car. That car is like visceral. It's exciting. There's an engine behind you. It's like, let's go, baby.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You want to feel the bumps. You want to feel the fucking steering in your hand, the wiggling of the tires. It's a ride. It's not efficient. It's not supposed to be efficient. It's an experience. It's a sensory overload. It's not just transportation.
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That was his background. And, you know, he's had a crazy life. Imagine you're 14 years old and your dad gets killed by who knows.
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That's why turning one of those things into electric is gross.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, most of those... They're cool. They're cool. I'm interested in engineering and artwork, right? And that's why I have so much art in this place. I love people's expression.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And I feel like cars are artwork. That's how I view cars. Sure. Especially old cars. Yeah. I have a lot of old cars. Art Deco cars. Muscle cars. 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars. That's what I love. I love them. I love them. I drive them like they're just... It's like I'm on an amusement park ride. That's how I feel about them. When I was a kid... Those were the cars that everybody wanted.
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So to me, it's like I get a real joy out of those. But if I didn't have them, I'd be fine. If I just drove my Tesla to work every day, I would be fine. The level of happiness you get in terms of how much you have to work for some things, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Too many people strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back. It's just this thing that's hard.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Just because something's hard to get doesn't mean it's good to get. And there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve, but they're not valuable when you get there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's a real thing. You know, I don't know who's doing it or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved in it. I mean, imagine if you're like a legitimate person working for the CIA and you think that the CIA is trying to assassinate Trump and you're like, well, what the fuck? Or whoever.
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I have a 69 that has been completely redone by this guy, Steve Strope. So nice. And it's the craziest Nova ever.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a different flex. Yeah. You know, the Ferrari, you just have money. That's a Nova. That's it.
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Mine is like, it's got 1969 Camaro fenders, so they made it wider so they could fit larger tires and tubbed it out. It's all custom. It has a supercharged LT4.
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Yeah, it's a very efficient driving car, but it's just so fun. It's just like you drive that thing. It's just this experience of sounds. And to me, it's like those cars are the ones that resonate with me. But if I only had...
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#2214 - Shane Smith
one i would be fine i just like them every now and then but they're not they're not the thing they're not the end all be all they're not family friends love community there's all these things that people put those objects above they put above everything in your life you strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success yeah and it's nonsense
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's got to be. I mean, it's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things like how many people do you think were involved in the Kennedy assassination?
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That's so crazy that a watch is $500,000. Oh, some of them are like $5 million.
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It's good for your brain. Positivity. It's good for your mental health.
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It's also, it's what life is about. Life is about growth. It's about learning. It's about experiencing things. And when you get an opportunity to talk to someone, like I talked to this woman the other day, Diane Boyd, she wrote this book, A Woman Amongst Wolves. She spent her entire life tracking wolves and handling them and collaring them and studying them.
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And she lived in a cabin in the woods for years by herself with no water and no electricity.
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Yeah, fascinating. You're a totally different type of person than I've ever experienced. What's your life like? What do you do? What do you think about this?
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And if you can figure out how that's your job, and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's a good life.
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Is there a way to do something like the original vice, but just keep it small and never let it grow?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's the old adage, go woke, go broke. And that's what happened with Vice. People stopped. They just stopped paying. Vice is one of the best examples of go woke, go broke ever. Because Vice was fucking huge and it was exciting. It was interesting. You know, you had great shows. And then it just got too weird.
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You have to live your life. This idea that your career should be your whole life is foolish.
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What made you want to do that? Just got tired of being on the outside looking in?
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We most certainly have, and we live in the greatest time of technological change in human history. We started out, like you and I can remember when phones were attached to the wall.
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I remember when it was a, we had to spin the wheel to make a phone call.
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And if you fucked up, like, God damn it, you had to hang up and start from scratch. It took a long time to make a phone call. Joe, there's a phone call for you. Right. And when people would call and you were on the phone, it would just be busy. Yeah.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You call him back. God damn, he's still busy. And then it became call waiting. Oh, hold on. Someone else is calling.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Maybe they're more important than you. Hold, please. And then you come back. And then it was caller ID. Oh, this motherfucker's calling. Fuck him. And then answering machines were the greatest. And when you could get a remote answering machine so I could call my answering
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machine and listen to you leave me a message hey meet me at the bar at 10 and I'd call you back and leave a message on your machine hey I got your message I'll meet you at the bar at 10 I love that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I'll see you on Saturday at 8. But we were also free from the confines of social media. And social media has brought an incredible amount of information to people, but has also created a lot of very mentally ill people, whether they realize it or not. It's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long, every day.
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And then it can be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself. You know, I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments about them. The hate is crazy. And it drives them nuts. It hurts their feelings. It really does. I mean, oh, poor baby. But I mean, really, as a human being.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, they're human beings. And I know that the people, look, If I was not a famous person, I was a person that was like who I was when I was 19 years old, I would 100% be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos and shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever. It's what people do. It's normal.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's not the people's fault because it's a very disconnected, disassociated way of communicating with people that's not congruent. It's not normal for human communication. It's not what we're designed. We're designed to do this. I'm looking at you. You're looking at me. I smile. You smile. We're buddies. We have a good time. That's how people are used to communicating with each other.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When you're communicating with people through text, it's fucking bizarre. It's very bizarre. It's very different. And it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people that may or may not be mentally ill, may or may not be going through a divorce. Yeah, have an ax to grind. Or just...
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Look, if you're successful in particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that are very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you. We were talking about this in the green room last night. I fucking loved the new Beetlejuice movie. I loved it. I read so many bad reviews of it. So many bad reviews that it fell flat. I had a giant smile on my face the whole time.
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I'm a huge Tim Burton fan. I think the guy's brilliant, and I think his movies are so unique because they have this fingerprint of Tim Burton on them. It's like it's so obviously through his mind, his vision. I think the guy's incredible. I love all his films. So for me, I was like, oh, this is great. When they got to the Soul Train, I was like, yes! Yeah. I love it. This is so Tim Burton.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And so many people criticized that in particular. There was something offensive about the Soul Train. Like, fuck off.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Everything. It's a fucking cheeseburger. I love cheeseburgers. It's fucking good. Some guy from the New York Times wrote a negative review about Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn. Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn is a fucking classic.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But this review was so toxic. And Ari and I had just eaten there. Ari Emanuel? No, Ari Shafir. Sorry. We had just been there like a month before. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? We had one of the best meals of our life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, it comes sizzling and there's butter on it and the smell.
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All the guys who worked there have been there for 35 years. Shout out to Peter Lugers. Shout out to Peter Lugers. But it's the point. It's like even a place like that, that you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing. You're experiencing a classic old-school steakhouse that does it exactly the same way every time.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Forever. But it's just that people, even in that, will find negativity. Everything sucks. And I think we were talking about this last night, that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious. The presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is going to happen or what's the right answer. Is it better if she gets in?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Is it better if he gets in? Is he going to be a dictator? Is she going to crack down on free speech? Are we going to be in World War III? Does Iran have a fucking nuke? Was that earthquake a nuke or was it just an earthquake? There's a nuclear test.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Why does God hate Florida? All these different things. There's so much going on. Israel and Gaza and the Middle East and Fuck man, it's so everyone is like fuck Tim Burton fuck that movie fuck this fuck that restaurant It's like it's just this the zeitgeist is disturbed. We don't have it's not a peaceful time in in our lot of anxiety Yeah, yeah
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And I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in 1924, and you got a time machine to go to 2024, you'd be like, holy shit, this is amazing.
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And you couldn't drink water because you'd get the shit.
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It was bad. There's a reason why most people in history were drunk. Because they had to drink alcohol because if you drank regular water, you'd have fucking poison in it. It's like you're getting bacteria.
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There's no good stats. Well, there's a good stat in terms of if you look at society in comparison to society of 200 years ago, it's safer.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It could literally be one guy who's a top executive. Or a hundred. Or a few people that come to a conclusion and don't even have to say it. And then a plan gets hatched. Yeah. And then next thing you know, there's a guy on a roof.
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This is my fear with universal basic income, which I think is inevitable.
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I think that's the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive. My fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that, and those people will have no purpose. And we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today. And the haves and the have-nots will be even further and further apart.
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And there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless. You're going to have to find something that you love that resonates with people. And if you do that, people are going to be willing to exchange that for money.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Whatever it is. If you can make- Ceramics. This table, a guy named Drew made this table. I know the man who made it. He is a carpenter. He made a table out of wood. We gave him the specifications. I told him I like oak. You're like, this is a handmade thing. And a handmade thing is always, to me, is going to be very valuable. I love a handmade knife. Yes. I love things that someone worked on.
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I love a painting like- A painting that someone like my friend Taylor made this. He painted it. He sat down in his studio. He painted it. And I love that. That's always going to be valuable. The problem is most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest. They've been encouraged to get a job and get a safe job.
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And they probably don't even know what their interests are or how those interests could translate.
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It's not necessarily buy them off. It's keep them alive. Yeah, keep them alive. Because people are not going to have any fucking money.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't think we should look at it that way. I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on earth. That they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker. How many of these people are out there that are doing masonry work really want to be a painter? How many of those people that really wanted to be in a band?
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How many of those people? There's something probably that most people want to do. One thing the universal basic income will do is if you give everybody 100 grand a year, whatever it is, you're going to satisfy. They're not going to worry about rent. They're not going to worry about food. So now maybe they can pursue. The problem is people get fucking lazy when you give them free money.
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But a lot of people, they just exist and they'll just play video games all day. And, you know, look, if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by AI and automated, you're going to have to give people money. Because the extraordinary wealth that's going to be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right? Over the last couple of years, we've given 100 and what? How many billion dollars to Ukraine? I think it's more than, it's up to 200 billion now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Something crazy like that. That amount of money, when you're dealing with AI, when you're dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed, like, that's reasonable. But you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose. Yes. And that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it is if you enjoy it. Exactly. Yeah. If you have a business that you actually enjoy doing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
We have to. And there's also this comparing thing. You know, I was at dinner the other night and my friend who's friends with this billionaire. His friend is a billionaire. And his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations that are worth 30, 40 billion. He's like, I'm fucking poor compared to that guy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You missed the whole point. You missed the whole point of getting wealthy. You have fuck you money and you're not even saying fuck you. You should be on a boat somewhere, man. You should be marlin fishing. You should be fucking lying in the sun. You should be doing things you enjoy doing. You should be taking that trip you always wanted to take. That's what you're supposed to be doing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You're not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires. So you're working 16 hours a day on Adderall just so that you can fucking get those stock numbers moving.
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So you don't have to worry about like, I remember the first check I got a real check. I got a development deal from Disney of all people when I was like, uh, I guess I was like 26 and, And it was the first time I ever had a good chunk of money, like six figures in the bank. And I felt weight. Different. I felt weight lifted off me. Like a physical feeling of, whoa.
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Because my whole life, it's like, how am I going to eat? How am I going to pay my rent? How am I going to do this? And then all of a sudden. I don't have to worry about that anymore. And I was like, oh, I get it now. And I remember this revelation. Like, okay, now I just have to keep this momentum going.
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Because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore, you don't want to ever get back to that desperation feeling. That's a terrible feeling. And that's the feeling most people are listening to this exist in. That feeling of concern about your bills. It's the number one struggle in marriages.
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I guarantee you it will cause less crime. I think crime will dip substantially. I think there'll be less civil unrest. People's needs will be met. It'll give everyone that feeling of, oh. I don't have to worry about my bills anymore. It's just finding purpose. That's going to be the next thing. And the people that are really going to be fucked are the people that didn't find purpose already.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And then they're like 40 and then that happens because they're going to be sad. And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living. And then all of a sudden their purpose, which was their job, you know, they worked at the factory and they're like, you know, Johnny's employee of the month.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Johnny, you're doing a fucking great job. We really appreciate you. And that guy feels purpose. He puts in a hard day's work. When he gets that paycheck, he knows he earned it. That's who he is. He's the number one guy at the plant. He's the foreman. He's the guy the men respect. That's a real thing for human beings. We need a thing that makes us feel like we're progressing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a part of our DNA. Our DNA, the reason why we're still alive, the reason why we survived is because we solved problems. We figured out what's going on. We made ourselves useful. And it makes you useful to the tribe. It makes you feel good. You have a sense of purpose. That's the guy that's the best hunter. She knows how to fucking plant vegetables. He knows how to make cloth.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Everybody had a job. And it gave you a sense of purpose.
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We're going to have to figure this out quick because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child. It's going to be like this screaming, painful. It's going to be this thing filled with anxiety, but it is happening whether we like it or not. And if we don't start educating children.
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about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them, don't do that. It's too hard. Don't do that. It's risky. Thank God I didn't listen to anybody because I, You wouldn't exist. I would have not a thing I did ever anybody told me to do. Not fighting. My parents tried to stop me from fighting when I was doing martial arts.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When I tried to do comedy, they were worried that, why aren't you? You did so well in martial arts. Why are you quitting and doing this new thing? And every fucking step of the way, when I started doing podcasts, my friends were like, what are you wasting your time doing this for? We started doing video podcasts.
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I was like, I don't care. I just want to do it. Just do what you like to do. But I just, for whatever reason, got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life. Both my parents worked, so there wasn't a lot of guidance. So I found a thing that I liked, and I just went and did it. And, you know, they're like, why are you wasting your time? Bye, Mom. Fucking leave the house.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And I was on my own. And so I got into a pattern of that early. But there's so many people that don't and so many people that get a job. And then that job is going to go away and it's going to be replaced by a fucking computer. And if you're listening to this and that happens to you, don't become an alcoholic. Don't just give in. Find something else. Find purpose. Find a thing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's so many. I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I would have a bunch of different jobs. I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things. There's so many interesting things in this life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Howard Stern used to mock podcasts, and he was my hero as a guy who loved listening to him on the radio. And hearing him mock podcasts when I was doing them, I was like, damn. I was like, oh, he's wrong.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Ah, it's a good laugh. It's a good one. It's the best laugh.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
We've got to stimulate them. Stimulate them with interesting things. I mean, that's when we're talking about how I got this unexpected education on this podcast. I realized that it wasn't that I was not interested in things or that I wasn't intelligent. It's that I wasn't stimulated. And I was a very physical person when I was a kid. I had so much fucking energy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And when you're sitting in a class and you're a little buzzsaw, it was like, I can't do this.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
If I lived with the wrong parents, and especially in a different time, I would have 100% been medicated. But what it was was that I was a different car. I wasn't a Honda Civic. I was a Shelby Mustang. I needed to go. I need to go. I got to get stimulated by things. I need stuff that excites me. I can't just sit down and I'm not good at listening.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It doesn't just do that. It tells you to not go for it.
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It tells you you're a bad person if you can't be bored.
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We all celebrate these people that escape. Somebody had to be Jimi Hendrix. Somebody had to be Richard Pryor. Like, obviously, they were real. Like, so they did it.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It is fascinating, but I like the way I do it because I get to talk to anybody I want to. I don't have to just deal with things that are disturbing. I can talk to someone who's a beekeeper. I can talk to someone who makes cabinets.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You got to pursue it like your life depends on it because it actually does. It actually does. And you can get gig jobs. You can wait tables. You can drive Uber. I drove limos. I did construction. I did whatever I had to do. I delivered newspapers. I did whatever I had to do to try to do a thing. And I didn't know if I was going to make it, but back then...
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#2214 - Shane Smith
When you're 21 years old, you have no responsibilities. No health insurance, no nothing. And you could just fucking try things. Just try things. And if you don't do that, you're going to be sad. And that's the reality of the world we live in. When people want to talk about the levels of depression in this country, what about the levels of purpose?
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And do they coincide with the levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions? How many people have learned to get their health in order? How many people have learned how to meditate? How many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision and try to give yourself advice objectively?
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How many people have learned how to apologize to your friends, apologize to your family if you made a mistake? How many people have learned to own up to when you were in the wrong? Instead of just covering it up and pretending and arguing and trying to distort things, just learn. Learn and grow. We all make mistakes.
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And if you're on the wrong path in life and if you're doing something you don't want to do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job and actually do it. Don't talk about it. Fucking do it. And if you do it, it's going to be so exciting. It's going to be terrifying. You'll be like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm afraid. Oh my God, I got to make this happen. Yeah.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You have to. You got to. You have to. If you don't, you're going to be sad. And that's just the reality of a lot of people. Or you're going to be angry. And it's really, you're not even angry at the things you think you're angry at. You're angry at your existence.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's what you should enjoy. If you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice steak and a glass of wine, you should enjoy the fact that we're not in rubble.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This really is the promised land. It really is. I mean, clearly not for everybody, but also there's a possibility. The opportunity awaits itself right here. It really is the greatest country the world has ever known. In the middle of all the bullshit we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential wars that we're involved in and wars we're involved in.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's just what I'm interested in. It just happens to be that a lot of people are interested in these things. So it's lucky. And it's also because I'm actually interested in it, I don't have to have fake conversations. There's no one I have on where I'm like, I can't believe I'm talking to this man. Well, you see that, right? You see that in late night talk shows.
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It's still the greatest place ever, the greatest time ever. It's just confusing.
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I used to want to live in Canada. I used to love Canada.
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I was like, I could live in Vancouver. Like if shit hits the fan in the United States. It's a beautiful country. And Canadians are amazing people. They're amazing. Amazing people. I always feel like Canada has 20% less douchebags. That was my feeling. When I used to do shows up there, we would all talk about it. We'd do a gig in Toronto. We'd do a gig in Montreal.
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I love it up there. I love the people. They're friendly and hardworking. They're peaceful. They're smart. They're educated. It was always fun. I loved it up there. I just love the attitude of the place. I've met so many cool people in Canada. But now the way Trudeau is running it, it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, you guys are sliding into communism. You're sliding every day.
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They push a little bit further, a little bit further. I mean, if you don't get rid of that guy, if you don't turn that thing around, you're fucked.
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They don't want to be interviewing this person. It's too much.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Zero. Yeah. The only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform, really wants to change things. And the real question is, like, when you get a guy like Trump who's promising all this stuff, how much can you actually get away with? How much can you actually change? What can you actually do and will that change things for the better?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That was what it was. Well, not only that, a long time ago, we gave in to allowing money to enter into politics and this huge influential way. And then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television and all those things. But those were the big ones, because as soon as you had control of the narrative, there's no way the media is going to.
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the spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of revenue they're not going to do that so whatever it whether it's the food companies or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies they're going to ignore as much as possible about the negatives of of these products and then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers and that's where you get fucking crazy
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It's also how that model implodes, which is fascinating. So that model becomes less relevant. And the Michael Schellenbergers and the Matt Taibis of the world, then people start turning to them. The Glenn Greenwalds of the world. People say, well, these people are honest. Well, I'm not a journalist.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't remember where I was going. Where was I going? So what they've done is they've created their own demise by giving it to Satan's deal. So by sucking Satan's cock and getting all that money, you've now – you're not – a news organization anymore. You're a propaganda outlet and everybody knows it. You have the news, but the news is a thin layer of bread on the shit sandwich.
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By the way, it worked. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, you can use money to get a lot of things done.
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Look, can I pause you for a second? Because Jamie, you brought something. Jamie, you didn't bring it up. Somebody else brought it up. Sean brought it up to me. Was there some sort of a physical altercation between Jill Biden's people and Kamala Harris' people?
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There's a few people I follow where I know they're full of shit because they just want to see nonsense.
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And I just go, what does this take? It's a lot of the Michelle Obama has a dick.
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Yeah. But I'm like. Yeah, I'll send this to Jamie so he knows what we're talking about. Yeah. It's just like.
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How do you say his name? How do you say his name? Posibic? Posibic. But this guy's pretty legit. There was a physical altercation between Jill and Kamala staffers in the White House after Jill's press room last week began with the accusation that Bidens were undermining Kamala deliberately per White House official. Well, it does seem like he's doing that.
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Like when he called that press conference, he hadn't called any press conference. So he decides to call a press conference in the middle of a national emergency.
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Yeah, and he's out, but he's still the president, so he can call a press conference, so he decides to do that. Wearing the MAGA hat. Like, look, there's no fucking way they're happy they got kicked out, and Jill did not want him to step down. She started taking cabinet meetings. Right. Like, who elected you? Can I do it? Let me do it. Let me do it. I'm not elected either.
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Let me just sit in, find out what's going on with these people. What are you talking about? How are you running a cabinet meeting? You're just married to the guy that's the president.
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There you go. I hope she's running it. I hope she's boss bitch.
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Reagan's. I always wonder if he was doing like a Jimmy the Chin type thing. No. Look, Reagan- Here's Jimmy Tingle, who's an amazing comedian. He had this great bit way back in 1988 when Reagan was in trouble for selling weapons to Iran.
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I would do that. He said he couldn't remember anything. That's a good move.
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Who could tell you whether or not you can remember things? You could play dumb.
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That's what Jimmy the Chin did. I don't remember. Do you know that story?
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And he would walk around with a bathrobe and slippers and just mumble to himself.
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And he would walk down the street with his capos, and the FBI knew this, and so what they did was they put these little microphones on all the hubcaps so that they could record his conversation as he walked down the street. So as he's walking down the street, they were recording everything. Wow. I love shit like that.
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Like when Israel intercepts the pagers of Hezbollah and blows everybody's balls off, that is – look, it's terrible that those people died, but it seems like they weren't good people. But at the bottom line is, you know how fucking genius that is?
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Wait months and make sure that no one's on an airplane.
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I've read that. Yeah, it's a great book. It's about this.
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Yes. Fantastic. It's crazy. When you find out they're doing that, like, God damn. Well, you know how goddamn genius that is? Imagine being them and realizing, like, this is how deeply Israel's infested your organization.
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And then they're trying to get new guys and they're like, I don't want that gig.
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The whole thing is very, very fascinating. Well, they're the people that invented Pegasus. They invented the ability to just now apparently with Pegasus 2, all they have to have is your phone number.
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I would tell that to people. Just a fucking idiot. Shut his phone off.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's true. Meanwhile, you're never off. The phone's actually never off. Yeah, exactly. That's how you can use Find Your Phone.
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I mean, I'm sure there's probably some hacks, but Eric Prince. has a new phone called the unplugged phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus, apparently. And it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly, but... Who knows? I don't. I think you are, first of all, with quantum computing. When quantum computing becomes ubiquitous, there's going to be no more passwords.
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It's going to be real weird. Because I've always said what money is today essentially is numbers. It's just ones and zeros.
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And the thing that you see with the internet is as technology increases, people get more and more access to information, to ones and zeros, to data. The bottleneck is going to be money. And eventually that's going to break through. And then what do you own? And who owns what? And where is it stored? And what is it?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
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Oh, 100%. Every time I have a conversation, every text I send, even the fucked up ones, I go, well, someone's got that.
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Not only that, if you're in some sort of a trial, all that shit becomes public record.
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That's what gets really weird. Like there's two different people that were involved in trials where my text messages to them became public and got printed in stories. One was Alex Jones. The other was Elon Musk. It's very strange that they just have access to your text messages.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Like for what reason? Yeah. Because I'm talking to some guy that I know. Like what do you, what do you, like the fact that, and the Alex Jones thing, they wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged.
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Fuck you. So we got it down to whether or not he talked to me about Sandy Hook.
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Yeah, it's a sport for people, and it's a way to make a living. I mean, it's like gold digging. It's a viable strategy.
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There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. Definitely a lot of that. Tort reform, that would be a good thing.
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But I think what we were talking about earlier with quantum computing and AI, I think we're all in real trouble.
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Because I think this society is going to be completely reimagined. And it probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity, because of this money thing. Because I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth if everything becomes digital. I think if everything becomes digital, AI, quantum computing, we're going to have real chaos. Right.
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And if you're just rioting to get universal basic income raised up to $125,000 a year, that's what we're going to be dealing with. People are looking for incremental improvements in their life where they don't have any other way to make money. It's like they're stuck on the dole. And we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the dole forever.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, which gets larger and larger, especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are irrelevant. Like Hollywood is in deep shit. They're in real, real, real deep shit.
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You do it through prompts. And you do it almost instantaneous. Yeah. That's what's going to be so bizarre. And then the real problem with that is if AI is controlling the news, like who's controlling AI? Like what control? Are we going to get to a point where we say, you know, we're going to have to let sentient AI control information?
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And then we find out that sentient AI is withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable enough to process it, which we probably aren't. Yeah. You know, if there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because some information gets released.
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Yeah, that's the fear. The fear is rebellion. And I don't think that's necessary. I think clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven. And we're moving into a completely new way of existing. And it's going to be a tumultuous journey. The transformation, the process is going to be scary.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's going to be very fucking strange because it's going to be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact. Yeah, the speed is going to be – you know, the internet, it took a couple decades before we figured out how fucked up it is. You know, it came around in the 1990s. People started using it, you know, kind of everywhere. You've got mail.
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And then 2000, you start getting fucked up videos and craziness. And then along comes social media and everybody's like, oh, my God, everyone's connected and everyone's addicted. And then you're getting all this negativity because that's what attracts views. So your algorithm is information. Yes.
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I guarantee there's some sort of government agency that's involved with just distributing narratives and arguing against certain things.
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Well, once they have quantum computing, we're fucked financially.
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Because as soon as someone has that with AI, the whole financial institutions crumble. We're going to be in a giant mess. And I don't understand how they could ever figure out a way to stop that.
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I just don't. I see as technology scales up, it's just going to have more power and more access. And the innovation is going to come so fast, you're not going to be able to keep up with it. And all of a sudden, it'll be too late.
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How long it takes society to adapt to a new technology.
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No, I think it's going to happen so quick. And I have the craziest thought about it that just keeps popping into my head is that I think that we are creating a new life form. That's what I really think.
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But I think that's what the universe does. I think that's probably what all these alien encounters are. I don't think they're biological anymore. I think life gets to a certain point where it – It gets so smart that it creates a new version of itself that's superior.
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Either it merges with it. I think that's what the aliens are. I think they're us.
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Well, it's also probably other civilizations from other places that are far more advanced that have figured out a way to get here. And it might be interdimensional travelers, which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicists that can tell you it's provable. Yeah, dark matter, dark energy. There's 10 or 11. I don't even know what that is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's just a lack of an understanding of what the fuck is going on.
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Michio Kaku, I think he made a particle collider in his house.
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But what does that even mean? The thing is, like, what is your brain? And is the soul a real thing? Because I tend to think the soul's a real thing.
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I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you that's not just your heart beating. I think there's a thing inside of people, and I think you recognize it when you're around people. And I think... It's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature is that we think of ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some great well of souls.
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Yeah, there's something that's going on where we're all in this together in some bizarre way that's, for some reason, very difficult for us to recognize in normal life.
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regular life it's hard for us to like you you get these moments where you feel it whether it's a psychedelic experience a near-death experience a profound love feeling there's joy yeah there's the birth of a child there's moments in life where you feel like everything's connected like you you see like through the curtains yeah and you get a chance oh god this is so much bigger than us or creativity than everything when something just comes to you and you're like where the fuck did that come from right it's the yeah it's in the it's in this
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's in the space around you somehow or another. That's the concept of consciousness being what you're actually is tuning in to what's out there. It's not local. Your consciousness is not this local thing. Your brain, the local thing, is just an antenna.
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And it's distributing this consciousness through your unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who you're friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis, what kind of energy you get in, what kind of energy you put out. And it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works, that it all works together as one unique gigantic system.
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You know, that's the craziest theory that came from the Bob Lazar stuff. The craziest, you know, the Bob Lazar stuff, the guy who was working back engineering UFOs for the government in the 1980s.
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He told the same story. You know more about it. This guy's told the same story for 30 plus years. It's the same story. He was an engineer. He worked at... Los Alamos Labs. And then he left there and they hired him to do propulsion work.
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And they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an American flag on it. And he was like, oh, it had an American flag sticker on it. And he was like, oh, they're ours. That's why everybody's seeing these things. This is like some top secret thing that we're working on. And slowly but surely, and again, this is not fact. This is just his story.
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Slowly but surely, over time, he's brought in to analyze this thing, tell us how it works. He realized, like, this is not ours. It's too small. The ship... was made for three-foot-tall inhabitants. Everything looked like it was 3D printed. There was no seams. There was no bolts. The whole thing had no – there was no electronics.
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It somehow or another was connected to the minds of the pilots, and it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115, which was just theoretical at the time. It wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider in like the 2000s.
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So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element and bombard this element with radiation and it makes this gravity propulsion device.
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So one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants that we are vessels, that they look at us as containers for souls.
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A little nutty. But also, like, if, just think about this. That sounds crazy that we're vessels for souls. But imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms. But then you create life that is not biological. And you create this thing that is this sentient life force that's digital, completely digital. But it doesn't have a life force.
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It doesn't have soul to it. Now, imagine you bridge the gap with hybrids. So you have a thing that is part alive, part a biological organism, and part interconnected. And it needs to be – if it wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs –
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And it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish and that this has to be connected somehow or another to biology and that if you want biology, you have to have a soul.
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Well, if this is what the universe does when it creates superior beings, it kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have. It makes sense that we're territorial. It makes sense that we fight over resources. It makes sense that we're competitive. And it makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for innovation. We want the newest, best stuff all the time.
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We have throughout human history. We've always aspired to have the best plows, the best trucks, the best this, the best that. We always want better and we're always working on these things.
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What does that lead to? That leads to artificial intelligence. It's almost like that's what we're doing. We're making this cocoon and the butterfly is going to come out of the cocoon and we don't even know why we're making it. We're just fucking toiling along, doing our thing. And it also connects to materialism because one of the things that materialism does is it encourages innovation.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It encourages constant purchasing of goods. If the phones that we have right now are perfect and we never have to get a new phone, all you have to do is repair them. It would just be repair shops everywhere. You would need a new phone. There would be no need for innovation.
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Yeah. Yeah, right. But, well, light bulbs were better. They used to be better because they didn't burn out.
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Yeah, but then they came out with the LED light bulbs. It's actually even better because then they don't, you know.
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They're all cool. The ones that never burned out. They are cool.
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This is a whole industry. Make them buy another light bulb.
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Yeah, you shut the lights out. You're going to burn the light bulbs.
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Yeah, and then they burn. They get black in the bottom. I'm like, shit, we lost the light bulb. Yeah. But if phones were, I mean, if we're satisfied, phones are so good. Why do we need new phones? But we do. Oh, the iPhone 16's coming out.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Ooh, Samsung has a 25, Ultra 25's got a better zoom. And you just fucking keep hopping on that. It's just a normal thing that we do. We do it with computers. We do it with everything. We do it with cars. And I think that that's just a constant thirst for technology.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, Moore's Law. But Moore's Law is out the window. It's out the window now. It's all exponential anyway as soon as all this stuff gets popped out, as soon as we give birth to that AI demon.
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Supposedly, Area 51. Supposedly, S4. Area 51, S4. Site 4 is where he worked. See? I don't know. I don't know how much of it's bullshit. I think some of it's bullshit, right? So whatever it is, you have to say some of it's bullshit. It seems like the United States government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things. There seems like there's a ton of whistleblowers.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about. So why do these programs exist? So it is either a top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today. That's probably true as well. But also, the universe is filled with stars. The universe is filled with planets.
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The odds that none of them have life are very low. There's Fermi's paradox, like where are they? Well, they probably don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us to figure out a way.
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Also, get to the next level. Get to the next level. You don't just fly in and give people death rays.
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I would imagine the correct... The correct path is to let people evolve, let people make these mistakes, figure it out, have revolutions, have elections, have innovation, have this constant desire.
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Exactly. That's the problem, too. And then also, I think. There's probably an interdimensional aspect to it. There's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing, but they are real somewhere else, and you have a window to them.
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There's probably bizarre states of consciousness where a certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain and a certain level of anxiety and a certain environment and circumstance where you have access to a frequency that's not normally available to you. And I think some people are having these kind of experiences, and they're calling them aliens.
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But I do think there's something going on with crafts. And the thing about these crafts is they existed way before there's any reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things. Like the Kenneth Arnold sightings from the 1950s are the best example. Something that was moving far faster than anything that we had. Silent, looked like a saucer skipping over the sky.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They saw like a bunch of them flying around. These guys are fighter jet pilots. They don't have a history of making up things. They're not liars. And there's a ton of those sightings. And those sightings go way back. They go way back. And it's probably some of the stories in the Bible and the Bhagavad Gita. There's a bunch of stories about flying things and flying chariots and wars in the sky.
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There's some wild shit. And you've got to imagine that if this is a long, slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe, that this is just like – We look out, we see all these different planets that are in the Goldilocks zone. So we know that the kind of life that we have can exist in these planets.
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How many of them have people or things or some form of super intelligent organism?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Probably infinite numbers. Probably infinite numbers. And they probably visit emerging civilizations. It just makes sense. Just like we would. Just like we would visit a Stone Age culture and watch them from afar. If we found some lost tribe in Siberia, you know, with fucking— Like the island off India, you know.
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There's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations, and we're retarded.
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If you imagine something that's far more advanced than us, it would be much more sophisticated in its approach, probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology, probably does have a way to erase memories, probably does leave people with significant trauma and confusion as to how this experience is real. How do you put it in the context of your normal day-to-day life?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
How come it never happens again? Yeah. You're just sitting home waiting. This is going to happen again. And then the rest of your life you're like freaked out that the walls are going to melt and all of a sudden you're going to be on a spaceship again. If that is real, like who fucking knows?
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And those people, imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot. Everybody thinks you're a liar. Everybody thinks you're a fool. Oh, Mike lost his mind. Thinks he got abducted by aliens. Meanwhile, he really did.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's going to be a real problem. And I think it's a slow trickle. So I think that that's what we're experiencing. And I think this is normal. I think there's like deep denial in the 1960s. And there's also Operation Blue Book, which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas. I mean, J. Allen Hynek, who ran that program.
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When you started Vice, it was one of the most refreshing news sources. Because it was like these intelligent people that didn't seem like regular journalists. They seemed like just people that you knew.
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eventually, when he left the program, became a huge UFO believer, and then completely changed his tune and explained how he was told to debunk everything, but there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk. I think the number's like 90-10. 90% of the things you could, oh, that's Venus, that's this, that's that. 10%, there's no fucking way.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This is like, whatever this is, there's physical evidence, there's a bunch of shit. Something happened, and he was a believer before he died, a big believer, and a proponent, and would talk about UFOs openly. And I think there's too many of those guys for it all to be bullshit. There's too many people for it all to be bullshit. But some of it is bullshit. And some of it is ours.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think some of it might be back engineered. I think some of the Bob Lazar stuff might be legitimate. Like they found things, whether these things were left behind for us to discover, whether they made some sort of a deal.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But I think there's intelligent life other than human beings that interacts with us. Bingo. That's what I thought.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think so. Yeah. Obviously, a lot of people agree. It's just you're always going to have people complaining. You just can't listen.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's the thing. It's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything, you're going to live a terrible life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And these kind of things, if they're not fascinating to you, that's fine. That's you. But I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures, whistleblowers talking about – programs that are beyond oversight that are retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And we've been doing this for decades because if they're telling the truth, either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And if they're telling the truth, how the fuck are you not interested?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They seemed like normal people. Yeah. And yet all of a sudden they're wearing a flak jacket in a war zone.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Only to idiots. There's way more people that are... Even the New York Times in 2017, they posted legitimate journalism on UFOs.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You can't listen to them people. There's a lot of people that could join a cult. If you wanted to start a cult, you could probably do a really good job. You'd probably have a lot of people in your cult.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They seem like normal people and they're hanging out in a hot tub in Thailand.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Pretty easy to do. Right? Why? Because a lot of people are gullible and they're stupid. It's easy to get people to do things. It's easy to get people mad. It's easy to get people... That think that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's easy to get people to think that Donald Trump is Jesus. It's like there's a lot of opinions out there. And that's fine. That's part of the fun of life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And morons and their stupid opinions is also flavor. It's a little bit of flavor in the soup of life.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's like it was normal people that were interested. Yeah. Like Vice Guy to Travel, that one with Heinmo's Arctic Adventures.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But we're trying to figure out. And this is where it gets like in the weeds scientifically. Is that what it looks like? Or did you make it look like that to represent these quantum entangled photons, but the shape is arbitrary, like you chose a shape? to get these quantum entangled photons to exist in. I don't know how you would do that. I don't understand the way they're recording it.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't understand the technology behind it. I don't understand the science behind it.
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Scientists have used first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Again, I'm reading this. I don't know what to tell you. A reconstruction of a holographic image of two entangled photons. The new method called biphoton digital holography uses an ultra-high precision camera and could be used to massively speed up the future of quantum measurements. So this is the way it's worded. Go back to the way it's worded.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That is till today one of my favorite videos you guys ever did. I fucking love that story because- It's amazing. You've got this guy that lives in the most remote human. Yeah. Like in this tiny cabin. He's been there since the 1970s. He doesn't even he saw 9-11 in a photograph. That's all he knows about it. He doesn't have any television up there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time. But this is the part that gets me, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I don't understand it either. I'm too stupid for this conversation. But just the fact that we know that quantum entangled particles are real. Just the fact that we know this spooky action at a distance that Einstein talked about. The fact that we know that... Quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and still at the same time. They can be in superposition. Like, what do you say?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They go in and out of existence. It's measurable. We don't know where they go. We don't know what's happening. It's magic.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's all magic. And then the fact that... Atoms are like mostly empty space. What does that even mean? Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. What does that mean? How are they connected? Yeah. Just the nature of existence itself is magical.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. You're taking stardust and turning it into a star.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's pretty amazing. And you need that in order to power quantum computing, by the way. You don't need multiple nuclear reactors to power quantum computing. All of it's bananas, man. It's bananas. I mean, thank God there's so many different kinds of people because there's people that are wholly obsessed in pursuing that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I'm so fascinated by the people that study just the universe itself because they're constantly dealing with new data. Like this James Webb telescope thing is like thrown everything into a tizzy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You know, there's these new red spots that were there, the formation of the universe. They don't know what the fuck they are and they went away. Love it. Yeah, like, what is that? Love it. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's one of those ones where you're like, you read it and you're like, what does that even mean? What are you saying? Like, what is this?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
This is it on Life Science. James Webb Telescope found hundreds of little red dots in the ancient universe. We still don't know what they are. Yeah. Small galaxies that are either crammed with stars or they host gigantic black holes. The data astronomers have collected continues to puzzle them. And then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
He gets VHS tapes occasionally and watches them on a tiny TV. Yeah. And he just lives in this subsistence lifestyle, just fishing and hunting and living off the land. And an intelligent, interesting, articulate guy. You know, and he seems way happier than most people I know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So it's throwing into – like they're starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought it was.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And it's probably filled with life just like this. There's probably people doing stupid shit all over the universe.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's a cordyceps mushroom. It's great for oxygen utilization.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And you don't have to just buy it from us. Buy it from Onnit. Go get Cordyceps mushrooms. Super legit endurance supplement. I did it for concentration.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It was great. Well, that's AlphaBrain. That's AlphaBrain. Yeah, AlphaBrain is the nootropic. AlphaBrain, we have a black label that's like a super strong one now. It's really good.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nootropics are legit, and it's not just alpha-brain either.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
No, no, I don't smoke. This is just fun. It gives me a little extra energy. Just a little nicotine. Wee! Makes the brain fire up.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, if you smoke. Yeah. Probably the best way is probably a patch. But that just feels weird walking around with a patch. No, nicotine good for the brain, bad for the... I know guys who do that when they work. They put a nicotine patch on just for... Really? Nicotine is a legit nootropic as well. Yeah. Nicotine actually positively affects cognitive function.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Vape is fucking terrible for you too. Anything you burn. Well, anything you're putting into your lung. You're putting chemicals into your lungs. They're not supposed to go in there. Get fired up that way. Except weed, of course, man. You know what's another unheralded nootropic? Creatine. Creatine actually increases cognitive performance.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's a muscle supplement. It's like a supplement that they figured out in the 90s and people started equating it almost like steroids. It was like a scandal. People were taking creatine. It's like a powder. Yeah. I get it in gummy form. I get creatine gummies. I just chew a few of them every day. Great for your brain. Great for your brain. Great for muscle recovery.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
There's a bunch of different stuff that's good for your brain. You ever try NeuroGum? Neuro gum's great. It's just gum. It's just gum. You chew it, and it's got theanine in it and a little bit of caffeine. Great for firing your brain up. I'm going to go try it. So when you're doing this podcast thing, do you have, like, a weekly schedule? You're doing it twice a week?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Are you mixing this in with investigative journalism? Are you going places and talking to people?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's just what's so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through bots. Yeah. We don't really know what people actually think. And the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think. There's a large percentage. I'm going to just say men because these are the ones that bother me the most.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it. And they don't necessarily believe it. Like it could be about trans athletes. It could be about like some sort of – it's a lot of it is connected to woke stuff. Yeah, politically correct. A lot of it is connected to ideology.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Like they'll have a super positive gaslighting version of what's going on at the border. And they do it because they have to. Super positive? Yeah, super positive. Like, you know, it's important. Immigration's important. And, you know, it's very difficult for these people otherwise. And they have this, like, bullshit. Yeah, okay, also terrorists.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Okay, also murderers and rapists getting released from Venezuelan prisons, making their way across the border.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But some people are walking across the border into America.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, you say smuggle, but people just go across on their own accord, too. It's not just like smuggling.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's really scary. It's like somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 missing children.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So you get two narratives. Two completely different narratives.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's what's scary about today is that it's hard to figure out. And depending upon what tribe you're a part of, if you're on the tribe of the right, you think one thing. You're on the tribe of the left, you think another thing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Isn't it funny? You can't name a kid Adolf, but you can name a kid Joseph. There you go. Isn't that weird?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing states. That's real. That's undeniable. The percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing states is off the hook. It's crazy. It's a bizarre number that seems to be a strategy.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Of course you can eventually. They can. They're trying to. to do that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, first of all, you have no ID voting. Okay. Right. This is something that they're pushed in California and they pushed a lot of places. There's only one reason to have no ID. That's to have people that can vote that shouldn't be voting. That's the only reason. If you only want the people to vote that should be voting, you ask for ID. Just like you ask for ID for everything else.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But wasn't Adolf really common with the Germans? I don't know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The only reason to have no ID, the only reason to have no ID, and to push that, and it's only being pushed by the Democrats. There's only one reason that makes any logical sense. You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi, who's openly talked about giving amnesty to the people that are already here, You have voters now. So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life. And the Democrats brought them there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
They're going to be loyal to the Democrats, especially if the Democrats continue to provide them with housing and money. And why would you vote that out? Why would you vote for a bunch of people that want to deport you? They're talking about mass deportations. Imagine if you came here from Haiti. You lived terribly poor life in Haiti. Now you have a good job in Springfield, Ohio.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And you're like, I can't fucking believe we're in America. This is amazing. And someone comes along and gives you the ability to vote. And then another group is saying, we're going to mass deportate you because you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats. Then there's like this fucking. Of course, you're you're getting voters. You're bringing in voters and you're getting voters.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. We haven't seen it, but it's clearly a strategy that you could employ. And if you were going to employ that, wouldn't you move those people to swing states? You would.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And if you find out that there's an app that you can use, and you use this app, and they'll let you in the country, you can schedule a way to illegally move to the country, and then you're legally protected once you've done that. So it's basically an open border.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, no Adolf in the Bible, so. No. Didn't make the cut.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I know what the app – You know how hard it was for you to become an American citizen. Okay? It was very difficult.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And you have to give a reason why you're supposed to be there. You have to be an exceptional person.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I have a couple of friends of mine who are just coming here from England, and I had to do this visa thing for them, like give them a recommendation. But you have to be exceptional. You have to be something special. Or you can get on that app, and you can just come over.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
but when you guys were you know when it was young it was like it was new internet right because internet opened up a bunch of different possibilities and it opened up possibilities for legitimate independent journalism and legitimate independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff stuffy mainstream perspective of what's going on in life and you guys gave
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It seems like it simplifies people being able to get in the country illegally.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, it's the big argument on the debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time. And that's when J.D. Vance had to step up and stop them and say, you said you weren't going to fact check. And this is whether that's not true. That app did not exist. You can literally schedule it. It used to be for people that are already here. Like for kids that were born in Mexico but have lived their entire life in America.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, we've got to find out a way to citizenship for those folks. That's fucking crazy. I know a girl. She's 28 years old, and she came over here when she was a baby, and she's not an American citizen because her family's from Mexico. That's crazy. To me, that's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. She's been here her whole life. She's a goddamn American. Let's figure that out.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. Well, that's what so many things. I mean, we had that with COVID. We have that with the Ukraine war. Like, who's responsible? Is it NATO? Did someone cross a red line? Would someone violate an agreement? What is happening in Israel? What are the facts? Right. Are they really hiding in tunnels? Is Israel really shooting aid workers? What is going on? What are the real facts?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And also, if you're a human being, you have empathy. You have compassion. If I lived in Ecuador or wherever these folks are from, And I found out you could just cross America or you could get on your app and you can get into America. 100% I would do it. And you would too. And, yeah, we have the greatest country in the world. And that's why people want to come here.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And, yeah, you have this land of opportunity. It's amazing. But what we really have to do is make sure we don't let in murderers. And fucking killers and rapists and thieves and gang members. And a lot of them are getting through. And that's what we have to be careful about. It's not just not letting people in. Sure. I mean, I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And I bet a lot of those people that come over are hardworking, very ambitious people that are excited to be here. They would love to be a part of the American experience. They'd probably love to recognize as Americans.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It has to be fixed. But the question is, they could have fixed that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
So then they need a show like yours to lay it out. That's what it is. You need something where someone is going to give you- At least try. And not come at it from a right-wing perspective or a left-wing perspective. Just come at it from like, this is what it is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I think there's more politically homeless people now than ever. I really do believe that. And they're going to side with one side or the other based on their opinion, mostly about Donald Trump. But other than that, it's like you're trying to figure out what team you belong on. And both teams are filled with scoundrels.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You go far enough to the left and far enough to the right, you have the same kind of monster that's adopted a different ideology. That's all it is. Well, they're politicians. It's not just politicians. It's gang members. It's the politicians, of course, that are like the leaders. But you've got these gang members because basically anybody can join.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You guys gave a completely unfiltered perspective as a normal human who's experiencing these bizarre circumstances in these exotic lands. And it was awesome, man.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Anybody could join the left and anybody could join the right. And there's a lot of mentally ill people out there. And so they join this and their whole identity revolves on crushing the right or crushing the left. And owning the libs. That's a giant percentage of social media. All these mentally ill people that are in a gang. And that's all it is.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And that's why they attack people, try to de-platform them, try to get them fired, letter campaigns. They're gang members. It's a gang. And it gives them purpose. Because they don't have purpose in their life. Which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day. Because they're mentally ill. And it's exacerbated by social media.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I give a shit about this stuff. The only way you find the truth is social media. It's just you have to do a lot of sifting. A lot of sifting. You've got to figure out who's legit. And that's where community notes comes in very handy. I like that. And it clowns people on both sides. And it's good. It's very important.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That's fucking real journalism, right? If you want to do that, you know better than anybody it's real journalism. Yeah.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And especially the way you're doing it now. We're, you know, small. Small, baby. Keep it tight. Small, baby.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nobody wants to listen. All these dudes, they get big and then they have staff. And I go over to their place. I'm like, why are all these people here? There's so many people here. This is a mess. You did it right.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And then... Now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point where it's preposterous. Like they say things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune with logic or objectivity. It's so strange to see going from what you made to what it is now.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Nobody came knocking with those dollars. I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that. Because my thing only works if I'm at the microphone. It's a different thing. And it only works if I keep doing it exactly the same way.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah, that's the problem. We used to get people way high before the show, and then they would kind of close off. It's not good. Because you could see them be paranoid. No, it's terrible.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I used to love to get my opening act super high. Yeah. Just to watch them panic when they go out there. I'm like, don't worry about it. Just go have fun. You got to learn how to be yourself in that fog, and maybe you can find something different when you're out there.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking about.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
But all you need is footnotes. Someone goes, trains. Yes.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The train. And then all of a sudden, that door opens up in your brain, and you have access to all the information again. It's weird how it sort of compartmentalizes memory like that.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It's weird. But it would there were fun days because we were doing it for the right reasons. It was just for fun It was just to do it because I can they all it didn't make any money for so long It was just how long years five years.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
It basically paid to keep the lights on and paid for web hosts and all, you know.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
In the beginning, it was super cheap because it was just a laptop and a microphone.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
That was super cheap. And then we started expanding. And then once I got the first studio, I'm like, well, I really need a bigger one. Then I got a warehouse. And then... Then it started getting weird.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I had two at Woodland Hills. Did you go to the warehouse one?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. So there's a tiny one, and then we had the big-ass warehouse. We had a gym in there and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. It's like everything – things scale up, but the most important thing is – The reason why podcasts work, I think, is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation. So it works in your mind. It resonates in your mind.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
You know this is not like some heavily produced thing where there's an agenda and there's a script and a teleprompter. And you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real. So it doesn't feel right to people.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Right. And so the more people you have involved in it, the more it's not gonna feel right. My friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the production staff is all working and walking around behind this glass wall and he sees them and I go, that's a distraction. Why do you have that? This is bad for the conversation. You've missed the point.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
The reason why it works is because the people at home, the people that are in there, they have ear pods on right now going on a jog. They're just as much in this room as you and I are because there's no filters. It's just us.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
those things but you're exactly right everybody thinks that they want to be a television show yeah and if you look at a television show that's professional professional i don't think professional's good yeah i don't think it's good i don't think that's why like i'm gonna take the best comedy shows are live comedy shows you want to see comedy watching on netflix is awesome yeah watching live is 70 better yeah because you're there it's a real experience collective experience yeah go back to your we're all
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. And I think once AI comes around, live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be able to connect with each other.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. Like in a real way. Last human things they can't do. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
And that's... It's a scary proposition because we really don't know. Like maybe for the first time ever. If you lived in 1970, you were pretty sure what 1980 was going to be like. Maybe you're wrong a little bit, but you're probably pretty accurate. You could extrapolate. You could look at it and go, I see where this is going. Today, we have zero idea what 2034 looks like. We are just guessing.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Well, the thing is also today there's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and inspire them to do something that didn't exist when we were young. There wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity and your ambition. In fact, it was the opposite.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Yeah. And as you were struggling, if you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance, as you're struggling, people were praying for you to fall.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
Some people actually want you to succeed. And they want, they succeed themselves. They want you to succeed. Like, can you realize, like, that's a better way to live.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
I am, too. Adopt that. You can adopt that. Even if it doesn't feel right because you're, like, grinding. You're trying to make it. I'm telling you. The hoping other people fail is the biggest waste of energy. Even your enemies. Let them fucking just live in their own life. Don't hope they fail. Don't put any energy towards it.
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#2214 - Shane Smith
All right, brother, tell everybody where your show is. How can they find it? Where do they go?
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#2214 - Shane Smith
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It was very early on in the pandemic, and they were beginning to speculate that some of the side effects of the vaccine are being hidden. And I could not find this story on Google. I could not find it. I kept looking and looking and looking. I entered in the information on DuckDuckGo. It was one of the first articles. Instantaneously. I was like, this is crazy. Since then, something's happened.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And I think they became aware that DuckDuckGo was a problem spot for the dissemination of information. And now it appears to mirror Google.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Yeah. I'm afraid to talk about Brave for them to be compromised because, like, we were talking about DuckDuckGo, and I was telling everybody, go to DuckDuckGo. And now I'm like, Jesus, it's the same thing as Google. Like, something happened. Do you know what happened?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Oh, yeah. Why did they try to shut down ProtonMail? What was their argument?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, let's look for it right now. Jamie, do me a favor, please, and pull up Google. Obviously, this is happening before the podcast is released, so they can't. correct this because they didn't know you were coming on they didn't know we were talking about this so let's pull up google real quick and put it up on the screen and okay you already googled it Just let me see.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Okay, right away, it shows ProtonMail. And then below that, it shows Proton Account, Sign In. You use the Proton VPN. So how is it suppressing?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, why would you be condescending if this is the question? This is the question. For goodness sake. Protonmail, do the Google search, and then right away the first thing is Protonmail.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So you think that Jamie's account is curated to not hide ProtonMail?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Okay. Well, we can do a real quick experiment. We won't get the results right now, but we will get the results from the future. So I'll ask the audience to do this. So ladies and gentlemen and non-binary folks out there, please go to Google and and type in ProtonMail and screen record this and then upload this.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Upload this to X, upload this to Instagram, upload this to Facebook and TikTok and all that. And I'd like to see what the results are.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So you think they look for someone who listens to podcasts and they don't have bias towards them?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So you have shown that if you collect data in this scientific way that they suppress proton mail? We haven't looked at that. We could look at that very easily. Okay. Do you understand, though, that you're saying they suppress ProtonMail, and then we're saying, let's see if they suppress ProtonMail.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
ProtonMail sued Google or Google sued ProtonMail? ProtonMail sued Google. And what was the accusation?
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They control the narrative and that controls us. Has there been any talk about making these kind of algorithms illegal?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
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How did you know? Jamie's a wizard. Mean bias by political leaning, Google only. Okay. So what is this showing us here?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So this is the search topic is abortion. Correct. This is the average of January to August of 2024. And so when you say mean bias by political leaning, so are you saying they're sending the same biased information roughly? There's a slight difference, a little bit more in the liberal side and a little bit more in the conservative side than the moderate side, it looks like, right? Is that correct?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Yes. So what are they? No, the opposite, right? Seems like moderate is more. But what is the... What is the bias? So if you search abortion, is it leaning towards pro-choice websites and pro-choice information? Is that what it's saying?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, a lot more people know it now. Maybe. As of you saying this on this podcast, yes. Well. Unless they're going to suppress the podcast. But they really can't do that.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Put that back up, please. So what this is, mean bias. And what is this bias showing? Is this bias just negative stories about Elizabeth Warren, like her pretending to be Native American and that kind of stuff? Yes.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So they're sending people mostly, are you saying right wing centered content? Well, look at the stuff. But one of them is CNBC. Elizabeth Warren wants more student loan borrowers to know bankruptcy is easier now.
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Elizabeth Warren, an anti-crypto movement losing their battle, according to former CFTC chairman, report – So that's an anti-crypto movement. That would definitely be more of a right-wing bias. Warren proposes jail time for corporate greed in health care. That would be more progressive, right? She's trying to eliminate corporate greed in health care.
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Three Republican Senate candidates are competing to take Elizabeth Warren as the mass GOP fights for relevance. Okay, so the way they're framing that, fights for relevance, is interesting. That's a little bit biased. Senator Warren is way off on raspberries and Americans' living standards. Okay, that's certainly a negative article. Likely. Warren calls for Fed Powell's weak need on bank rules.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Democrats want to tax your home, your retirement, your everything. That's a negative one. Senators Warren and Marshall pose questions to Biden officials about the use of crypto to evade sanctions. So that's going to get the crypto bros after her. We don't charge people for air. We shouldn't charge for water either.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
A new tax bill from Elizabeth Warren to Ro Khanna seeks to ban the trade of water futures. Let's go one step further. That seems like a progressive cause.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
But she's a problematic person to search anyway because she's kind of a fraud, right? Like especially with the – I mean, I want to say she's kind of a fraud. Let me say it better. She has been accused of lying about her ancestry. And then she did it for benefit. And then she did it to get into Harvard. She did it to get jobs. And then, you know, she had that challenge with President Trump.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And then it turned out she has a small fraction of... I think I'm 100 times more African American than she is Native American. Something like that. Let me explain. I might have made that up. Let me explain. Okay.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
What I'm saying is with someone like her, it might be difficult to find positive stories.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So if a person wants to break up Google like she has publicly stated, they're like, okay. Well, we will target you with our search algorithm. We will make sure that people are getting more negative stories about you than positive stories. And we will have a bias that leans towards these negative stories to everyone, to liberals, to conservatives, to independents.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Like that. Have you seen the Alexa when people ask Alexa about Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So this is essentially a danger that no one was aware of, no one ever saw on the horizon until search engines were created. Now, search engines are here, and it's something that is not regulated, and it's right in front of us. And what steps have been done to sort of mitigate the effects of this, if any?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
You want to have a personal meltdown? Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah. I've never heard anybody plan for a meltdown before.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, I don't think that's true. And let me give you my perspective. I don't think most people are aware of this. I think you live in a bit of an echo chamber because this is the focus of your life for the last 12 years. I think most people are – I like to use my parents.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
As an example, like when I talk to my parents about stuff and how little they're aware of it, because my parents are older and they just read the news and they watch the newspapers and they watch television and that's what they believe. They don't do any independent searching. They don't use a VPN. They don't they don't do anything like that. And so they're a good example.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
If I ask them, do you think there's any bias in Google search results? They would probably say no. Because they don't know. Most people don't know. I know in your mind you have put all this information out. And the podcast that we did reached millions of people. How many of those people listened, really listened? How many people were like, wow, that's kind of crazy, but does it affect my life?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
No, it doesn't affect my life because I'm going to vote Democrat no matter what or I'm going to vote Republican no matter what. And this is my feeling on the First Amendment. This is my feeling on the Fourth Amendment. And people already have their opinions.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And so for most people who are busy with their lives, their families and work, they haven't made an adjustment because they don't feel it's necessary for them personally. Fine, fine, fine. But you're not, what you're doing is not futile.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It's not though, it's not. We just need to do more of these.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Yes, there is. So these are all these experiences captured, shining a light on big tech's dark secrets. Hey, hey, revealing real-time ephemeral manipulation. Big tech companies use ephemeral content such as search results, go vote reminders, and video recommendations to rig our elections, indoctrinate our children, and control our thinking.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
We're now preserving this kind of content for the first time ever to give our courts and our nation leaders the evidence they need to force these companies to stop their manipulations. Now... Who do you think would be more responsive to you discussing this? Do you think it would be the Donald Trump administration or the Kamala Harris administration?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, because I... Because you think it's more biased towards Republicans or against Republicans, rather?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
As long as it's still benefiting the Democrats and they still contribute to the Democratic Party, I doubt you'll see any movement.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Okay. What are you talking about specifically when you're saying recommended to children? I'm saying... So this is what you're discussing? I'm saying that... This is Boondocks, which is a television show, an animated television show. Yeah. So this is recommended to children because it is animated? Is that what the idea is? I don't know.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Okay. And then the other one is down below that you see The Walking Dead, which is the horrible scene that made me stop watching the show.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
I got it. And these are all, okay, there's a lot of sexual stuff. Yep. So these are all being recommended to kids? Yep. We're not searching for them.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And what would be the benefit for them of doing this, of showing all these sexual images to children? It's titillating and it's addictive. So to increase engagement? Correct.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It says to dub anime clips. So they said their own words over these clips? Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And so below that, you're seeing all these images, and some of them are violent cartoons. And what else do they have here?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So the reason why they are suggesting these images to kids is because they know if the kids click on them, they're going to get more engagement.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
That was an internal discussion. Correct. With a search engine company. Correct. That also makes an operating system for phones. Of course, yes. That's such a wild thing.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
That sounds like something we're absolutely going to need. And one of the things I was going to bring up when you were discussing this was Google's disastrous launch of their AI system. Their AI system was so bizarrely woke that when they looked for photos of Nazis, they showed multiracial Nazis. I know. I know. Which is so crazy.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
When they had the founding fathers of America, they were multiracial founding fathers of America. And it's just a nonsense thing that they've attached to what's supposed to be the most intelligent form of information we have available. Large language models that are supposed to be gathering up all the actual information and giving it to us. And instead, they're feeding us complete, total nonsense.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
That just fits with this, for lack of a better term, woke agenda.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
I have to use the restroom. So let's pause right now. Let's figure out what you can and can't tell me about AI. And we'll be right back. Restroom. Yes. You want to put it on?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It says tamebigtech.com. Okay. And we're back. So we were discussing AI.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Or wouldn't they just baffle us with bullshit until we're reduced to being ineffective? I mean, if they're the arbiters of information in the future, wouldn't they just manipulate us with an understanding that over time, just like what Google's done with over time with search engines and search results suggestions, that they would just slowly steer us towards the place that they want to put us in?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
I mean, the idiocracy, I think it's called. Yeah. I mean, we're kind of on that place, right? You better thank a union member. We're kind of on the way right now.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Yeah, I think it's a new life form. And I think that's what human beings do. I think we're here to create AI.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right. We don't even know if it's going to have motivation to act, right? Right. Marshall McLuhan said this in the 1960s. He said human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. Isn't that wild? Yes. It's like 63, I think.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Someone who helped to bring them into existence. Well, that seems ridiculous because he's attaching all sorts of paternal instincts and all the bizarre tribal instincts that human beings have, attaching that to some super intelligence, which seems pretty silly. But it seems like that's a good motivator for him to keep working. I want to be a god.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So they must have had a conversation with him to avoid communication with you. Or do you think he's just acting on his own self-interest?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And it seems like you should be able to have a candid conversation with him as to why.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So were you trying to communicate with phone, with everything? Did you ever try to visit him?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
He was here a little while back. I should have let you know. Oh. If I'd known, you could have cornered him. Well, that would have been interesting.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
That is his specified goal, right? He wants to be able to download consciousness.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
But the point is— Why do you think it's not possible?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Don't you think you could simulate that with data points? Like if you collected data on a person over a course of X amount of years and you had an understanding of how they behave and think, don't you think you'd get some sort of a proximity as to how they would behave in a certain circumstance?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
But they don't allow for free will. They don't allow for change. They don't allow for personal influence or people being excited or inspired by other things and change their perspective, conversations with another human being, with their friends.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
You have a deeply personal moment with someone and they give you a perspective on something and you go, wow, I never thought about religion, for example, that way. Or I never thought about childbirth that way. Or any subject that's controversial.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
The daydreams. Well, there's whatever consciousness is, right? We're really sort of committed to the idea that consciousness lives inside the brain, but that's controversial.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
I'm very, very fascinated by dreams. And I think it's always it's very interesting how we kind of dismiss them as just being hallucinations or it's just, oh, it's just a dream. You just had a dream. But some of them are so realistic and so bizarre. I've always wondered, like, why do they seem so much like reality? And how do I know what the difference is?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Like maybe reality, like as in waking life, is a more persistent dream. So when you're saying that it's streaming and that's why you can't get it back, what do you think it is? What do you think a dream is? And have you ever talked to like lucid dreamers or people that use techniques to try to master the traveling back and forth into the realms of dreams? Oh, absolutely.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So do you think it's an emerging property of human beings? Like you have to think single-celled organisms did not have the ability to see things.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, you know, that's one of the most bizarre theories about human evolution is that we're the product of accelerated evolution.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
That's what everybody says. Yeah. It's whatever it is. It doesn't seem like an illusion. It seems like another reality.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Not necessarily. Rick Strassman from, you know, Rick, he now believes that it's produced in the brain itself. and it's also produced in the liver and the lungs, and it might not be the pineal gland that's producing it at all. They've kind of changed their perspective on that with the Cottonwood Research Foundation, some of the studies they've been doing on it.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
But they know that in some animals it's produced there as well. I mean, they're doing rat studies. But whatever it is, it's produced by the liver, the lungs. It's like it's... It's endogenous. It's the most potent psychedelic known to man, and the human body makes it, and it's illegal. That's what Terrence McKenna had the greatest line about that. He said, everybody's holding, which is funny.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It is funny. It's like you have a schedule one substance that's made by the human body. It's literally like making saliva illegal. It's the stupidest thing ever.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, you know, it's also very similar in its compound to psilocybin, especially when it's processed by the body. And that's one of the more interesting theories about how humans became human was McKenna's stoned ape theory.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
He thinks that human beings, when there was climate change in the savannas, as the rainforest receded into grasslands, we started experimenting with different food sources and flipping over cow patties because there's more undulate animals in these fields. And then we started eating mushrooms that were growing on the cow patties.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Mushrooms increase visual acuity, make people more amorous, they start having more sex, they make them better hunters because the visual acuity induces glossolalia, creates language, all these things, associating sounds with objects, that all these things blossom. And then there's the doubling of the human brain size, which coincides. in a timeline with that.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Dennis McKenna does the best job of explaining it. Terence was, you know, a bard and a fascinating sort of a philosopher, but his brother Dennis is a hardcore scientist and the way he explains it, he talks about the actual physical mechanisms
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
The different things that happen to the human body when they encounter this substance, which also there's a bunch of different ways that people endogenously stimulate it. There's holotropic breathing. It's probably stimulating that. There's a bunch of different states of meditation that people can achieve. There's kundalini yoga.
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which I know people that have both done DMT and are regular practitioners of kundalini yoga, and they seem to think or they seem to at least state that they can achieve these states of consciousness without taking the actual drug itself. They can force their brain into making it.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Are you saying that you think we're connected to it always and then the quality of the connection is changed by taking ayahuasca or taking dimethyltryptamine? That's what's happening? So it's just enhancing the quality of the connection?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So it's interfacing with consciousness rather than being conscious itself.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And when you say the universe, you're talking essentially about all aspects of it, including subatomic particles, which is like the deepest mysteries, when things become magic and things don't make any sense at all.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right. Right. When you're talking about this connection, are you talking about some sort of a technological intervention? Are you talking about just natural selection, creating this connection and enhancing it in new people?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
How do you imagine that we would simulate this? Do you think we would come up with something that would ... You know how they use electromagnets to stimulate parts of the brain that have been hurt in trauma and are not firing anymore? They do that with people that have traumatic brain injuries? And they give them back a lot of their function.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Do you think there'd be something like that, like some kind of technology that would stimulate your brain's ability to produce these human neurochemicals and just do it in much larger quantities?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
And you think the nature of the connection is based on human neurochemistry?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
So when you say by simulate it outside of the brain, what methods do you think would be able to be efficient at doing something like that or make it effective?
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
I think what's important that ties us in with your research is that all of this would lead to an improvement in human communication, human community, the way we interface with each other, the way we exchange information, and the way we collectively act as a group. Whereas the manipulation of this information for political goals, for financial goals,
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
for ideological capture, for manipulating the way human beings think about things is really the contrary to that. It's the opposite of that effect.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
You know, in the early 20th century, when they first started studying ayahuasca, they wanted to describe, they wanted to use the label telepathene.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
for harming but unfortunately harming had already been labeled and so you know because the rules of scientific nomenclature they kept the term harming but these people that weren't aware that that harming had been isolated we're trying to call this stuff telepathy because in their experiences in the jungle when they were taking this stuff they were experiencing these group telepathic moments and they had to say these are hardcore scientists they decided that this was such a profound experience and so replicatable
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
that they were going to call it telepathy, which is really interesting. It really speaks to what you're saying.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, it's in so many different plants that we have developed a thing called monoamine oxidase that breaks it down in our gut so that we don't get high from all the plants we eat, which is pretty crazy.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
It's telling us— There's a component to our world that we've missed, and that the fact that this dimethyltryptamine exists in so many different plants and animals.
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#2201 - Robert Epstein
But I know I dreamt the whole thing. By the way, that's exactly the same as psychedelic experiences. Really? Psychedelic experiences are insanely difficult to remember. They're insanely difficult to remember in the exact same way. Like when you wake up from a dream, you could tell me your dream. Like, oh my God, I was on a skateboard and Godzilla was chasing me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
You could tell me your dream, but you won't remember that dream in a while. And that's the same as psychedelic experiences. When they're over, everyone can kind of tell you what they experienced, but it's very difficult to remember it a day later, a month later, a year later. You get like these little flashes, like almost like a slideshow, a little slideshow. Oh yeah, that thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
part i forgot about that part but you don't remember the experience which seems strange because i remember amazingly profound experiences from my life in vivid detail like um interactions with my children that were just filled with love and happiness you know when they hug you and cry and just like there's moments that you remember like i'm never gonna forget that there's moments that i remember just with friends and i'm like i'm never gonna forget this moment
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
with loved ones, but not the dreams, not these crazy, profound, earth-shattering dreams that make you wake up sweating. You go to the bathroom, you're like, what the fuck was that dream about? That happens to me all the time. And then I go right back to sleep, and then the dream goes away. And then in the morning, I'm like, I'm going to remember that. I don't remember it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
I don't remember it at all. I barely remember it. It's a slideshow. Your brain is protecting you somehow. There's something, and there was something that I was reading actually yesterday.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
about forgetfulness, that it is not a flaw but a feature and that there's something, there's a mechanism that's going on that allows human beings to forget things and that in doing so it's very beneficial not keeping you occupied on those things and allowing you to concentrate on new things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So instead of just allowing you to have the free will to decide whether or not to think about the past or think about the future, it tries to get rid of it. Like, stop. Get that out of here. So it kills it. It, like, throws those ideas away and that this is actually a feature where people say, God, I'm so forgetful. But are you? I mean, some people are because they have a mental condition, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
They have Alzheimer's. They have dementia. They have real issues. But a lot of people... What they're really doing is thinking about other things and that's what makes them forgetful. They're more concentrating on other things and they can't remember. What did I say? Like my wife will tell me things. I'm barely paying attention. And she's like, I told you that. I'm like, when did you tell me that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Like I told you that yesterday. I already forgot because it didn't mean anything to me at the time because I have to filter through. And then Debbie said to Marsha, Marsha was like, how could you do that? And I was going to say something, but I didn't want to. I forget about that. That's in and out because I have no room for that. Right. But some people remember it forever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And you got to think, what is that forgetfulness? Well, this article that I was reading was talking about that forgetting memories is actually a feature. And so there might be some component of that, that you're not totally past this bridge that would connect us to whatever that realm is and that you get these brief memories. interactions with that realm, but you're not ready to be all in yet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
You're not ready to be connected to it. You're not ready to remember all the experiences that you had in this mushroom trip that you went on. It's just too much for you. So let's just get that out of your system because your regular consciousness is not wired to accept the reality of where that realm is. And the fact that...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
The other thing is that realm is there in 30 seconds, especially with dimethyltryptamine. 30 seconds later, you're in an impossible realm. 15 minutes later, that's gone. 20 minutes later, you're struggling to remember it. Half an hour later, it's mostly gone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
But it's not necessarily storytelling. It's just memories in general. There's something about, there's a mechanism, I'm telling you, that's happening with psychedelic trips where it's almost impossible to remember them. And I think that's a feature.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Okay. But as applied to everyday life, there is. No. In a practical sense. No. Okay. So in a practical sense, when you say who's the first president of the United States, don't you think you have a memory that it's George Washington?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Well, of course it is because that's what you learned. You learned that in high school or whenever you learned it. So how do you know if it's not in your brain, if it's not stored in your brain? So like if I could ask you what your son's name is, you know what your son's name is because it's stored in your memory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right, but you're still avoiding the question, like how do you know your son's name if it's not in your memory?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right. But there's no memory involved. If someone teaches someone how to do something, you don't remember how to do that thing? That's not what it is?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
But if there's like skills that I could teach you. You don't think you remember those skills? Like I taught you physical skills, like I taught you how to put somebody in an arm bar. You don't think that's a memory?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So how does the brain differentiate between what it remembers and what it doesn't remember if memories aren't real?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right, because they haven't had a detailed sort of examination of the dollar bill. Most people just give a cursory examination to a dollar bill. You look down, oh, that's a 5. It's a 20. I mean, I kind of know, was it Andrew Jackson's on the 20? You know, most people are not really paying that much attention to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
But if you get a dollar bill scholar and someone who really understands dollar bills, they probably could. Like, have you ever seen Al Franken draw the United States?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
It's really interesting. Al Franken is very unfortunate what happened to that guy because I think he would have been a fantastic politician still. Very interesting person, very intelligent, and a real patriot. So Al Franken can draw the entire United States accurately with all the state boundaries from memory. See if you can pull that up. It's very interesting. Why? Because here it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So Al Franken has deeply studied the parameters of the states and the state lines and can recreate them from memory. Why? Because he's done this before and he has a record in his mind of what this looks like because he's carefully examined that. There are things that I've had conversations with people, you know, a couple of weeks ago and I probably don't remember them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And then there's things where I could tell you word for word someone said. There's got to be a reason for that. And if you're not calling it memory, what are you calling it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right, but he can do that, and he is the same thing as me. I can't do that. Yeah, and you're wondering why. Well, because I'll tell you why. Because I haven't tried to do that and studied it and memorized how to do it. The same way I could teach you how to memorize certain movements. I could teach you how to memorize certain physical movements.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And then if you practice them, I could ask you in a couple of weeks, try to do it again. And you'd be able to do it. But maybe you'll forget certain key points of those movements. So then I would correct you. And then I'd teach you. Well, you would remember how to do those. And then I would say, what are you supposed to do with your hand? You're like, oh, left hand up. That's right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Because you remember it. So you might not be able to find that in your brain, but it's very clear that something is going on where you are able to memorize things. And memorize them better with music, right? Conjunction, junction, what's your function? Right? We all remember that. Why? Because it's attached to music, and music makes things easier to remember.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
No one looking into the brain. Is there anyone that can draw an accurate map of the United States without having ever looked at an accurate map of the United States?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And how do we even know if they're accurate? It might be as accurate as that dollar bill drawing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Possibly no memory and we still could do all the things we can do but there's no memory Well, you're calling it memory right and I'm saying as a physical function as a function a thing happening There's a you can memorize things. That's how you learn a new language, right you memorize You know me. I'm El Rogan, you know, that's how you do it You remember right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So if you're saying that that doesn't exist I'm saying What is happening? Give me some sort of a replacement. I am. I'm giving you a transaction. Right. But where is it stored? I don't know. Okay. I want to find out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Couldn't you use the term memory to accurately describe that storage?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So the people who are looking in brains and looking for memories, they're not finding- Was it just that they haven't found it yet or they don't understand that you're not going to be able to see it in the same way that you see cells?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Perhaps, but let me ask you this. How do we know what size memory is? So are they looking in the subatomic realm? Are they looking at particles that are quantumly entangled? How do they know what they're looking for? Is it simply that we have a limited amount of tools?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
No, that's not simpler at all. That's way more complex. No, that's super simple. It's way more complex than experiences being stored in a functional way so that you can benefit from them. Except that there's no evidence of any storage and there never will be. How could you say there never will be if he said 100 years? 100 years is not never.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
100 years ago, we were exactly the same species as we are right now. You had to be there. It was the way he said it. I understand. I understand what you're saying. But look, before they understood spooky action at a distance, before they understood subatomic particles, if you tried to explain that to someone from 1850, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? But now it's understood.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
It's measurable. It's something that we agree upon. That subatomic particles, that atoms, that neutrinos, all these things exist. Bizarre things. There's neutrinos passing through us right now, right, from space. There's a neutrino detector in Antarctica. We know that there's these things that we didn't know existed exist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
As we have more access to technology, more understanding of the mechanisms of the mind, Isn't it possible that we could say, oh, this is where memories are stored? And isn't it true that if certain areas of the brain are damaged in particular, it will damage memories? Isn't that true?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
You're married to this transduction process. I'm not saying that it's not in – there's something happening. Let's not even say it's in the brain. Maybe it's in the entire body. Maybe it's in every cell. Maybe it's in the DNA. Whatever it is, there's something in there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
I see what you're saying in terms of communication with whatever that other realm is. But what I'm saying is that there might be—and forget about the term the brain—local. Let's just say local. Local, okay. Because when I'm accessing, oh, I know what— If I press the turmeric button on the coffee machine, it makes the kind I like. That's locally stored.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Other people don't know that if they'd never used that machine, right? This is locally stored information. Forget about finding it in the brain. It might be in the DNA. We don't know where it is. But I know how to start my car. I know how to put it in drive because I've done it before. Yeah. So something is happening where I'm storing information.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And the more information I store, the more it makes me effective at discussing certain things. There are certain things that I don't have any information about. I haven't read them. I haven't memorized them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
There is no information in the brain. Challenging this thing that you're saying that I don't think sounds as complete as you're saying it sounds.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Right, which makes sense for psychotic states, right? There's some sort of a disturbance in the way the system is running, and it's not tuning in to the other side the right way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
We were actually just having this conversation the other day with Brett Weinstein. Oh, really? And Brett Weinstein, who's a biologist. And his belief is that random mutation, natural selection, Darwinian evolution, they're all real. It's all absolutely happening. But then there's probably also factors that we haven't figured out yet. And that's what shows human beings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
but they just never made it to that level because... Well, that's where the weirdness of the whole accelerated evolution theory comes into place.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
I mean, this is... You get into the kookiest of kooky stuff, the Anunnaki and the Sumerian texts and this idea that these lower primates were manipulated and that something was introduced into their genes and that this something is probably some genetics from some superior race or some more advanced race and that we...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
took on that and that it became a part of us and now it's in our gene pool and now we're moving in that general direction with this different connection.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
I don't think they're mutually exclusive because neurotransduction theory, as you're saying, if there's these primates on these other planets that never achieved this. And then there are ones that have and have transcended, that these ones that have transcended recognize this quality that's missing in these chimpanzees, and they introduce it. We don't need them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
It's possible, but we don't need them. We have evolution. But that's why it's accelerated evolution. They've concluded that primates right now have entered the Stone Age. Do you know that? So they're starting to use tools. So it was really interesting, right? So if given enough time, you give them 100 million years, who knows what a chimp is going to look like 100 million years from now?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
They might be like us. They might do it naturally. The speculation—and again, this is not something I'm married to—but the speculation, this kooky speculation, is that we were visited by extraterrestrials that were far more advanced. And that they found us as these simple shit-throwing primates. And they said, let's juice this process up a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
We know where this is going to go eventually, hopefully, if everything works out. But let's juice it up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
We are never going to let that happen again. Which is democracy. They're never going to let democracy happen again. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And that's so crazy to be blatantly and openly talking about that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So let's break this down because I think we're getting a little in the weeds here. Let's explain to people that don't know what you're talking about what your research is about because most people are not aware. And one of the major issues that you have discovered is the curation and the purposeful curation of information through search engines.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
And what was the mechanism of this attack? How'd they do it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
I've never had a way to reach him. Well, hopefully someone will take this clip and put it on X. And he's a junkie. He'll be on it all day. So hopefully someone will put it to his attention and put it up there. Because I'm sure this is very concerning to him. I mean, he has a vested interest in this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Clearly what happened when he purchased Twitter and he found out the extent of government interference in free speech. And how many people were being pressured to not talk about certain things that were inconvenient or how many accounts they were trying to get taken down because these accounts were purveyors of misinformation that turned out to be absolutely accurate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
So most people that are unaware think that when you do a Google search on something, say if you want to find out about a Kamala Harris rally or a Trump rally, that you are just going to get the most pertinent information in the order in which it's most applicable to your search. But that's not the case.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
Listen, Robert, thank you for being here. I really, really appreciate what you're doing. If you weren't doing this, I don't know if it would get done. I don't know if we would know as much as we know. I think it would be speculative. I think people would have ideas. I think it would be impossible to prove. And I think what you've done is a tremendous service for people. So thank you very much.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
The case is everything is curated, and if you want to find positive things about someone who they deem to be negative to you, whatever ideology they're promoting, it will be very difficult to find that information. If you want to find positive things about someone they support, they will be right up front.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2201 - Robert Epstein
If you want to find negative things about someone they support, they will be very difficult to find and you will be inundated with positive things. And what you have found is that this curation of information from searches has a profound effect, especially on the casual voter, on the low-information voter, a profound effect on who gets elected, and it's tantamount to election interference.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Boy, I wish I could tell you, but there's more I can't tell you. There's a lot going on. And that's a really good way, I would think, if I was in control of a narrative that I wanted to be continuously slippery. This is a very slippery conversation. You never get to the end of it. And what would be the motivation? Because there's some sort of a program.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
that exists that they want to hide, and the best way to hide it is to continually bring up and then debunk these fake programs for crash sites, for dealing with aliens. I would make a bunch of things that are absolutely provably untrue that could eventually be proved as untrue. attribute them to these people, and then have everything else that gets said about the subject get reduced to nonsense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because that's essentially what it does. If you start talking about UFOs and UAP, you're a cuckoo. You're a kook. Until you show me some hard evidence, I've got bills, I've got a family, I don't have time for this. And the people that do get really wrapped up in it are kind of kooky. And the best way to keep that kookiness going is to give them a little bit of taste. Give them a taste.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Throw them a little breadcrumb trail. I think there's a thing we found...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yes. If I was covering up UAPs, I would have all these people go out and be whistleblowers. Because the more they do it, the more it looks ridiculous. And the more everyone's like, disclosure is imminent, and it never comes. No. It's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown. You never get a kick out of fucking football.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They probably told him that. And also they lied to him about a bunch of stuff. Oh, sure. And didn't even tell him about Chinese drones because they were worried he was going to shoot them down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, they're not being told what this is. No, I'm not denying that it's absolutely illegal, but I'm saying that if it is illegal and has been done this way for so long, The odds of you untangling that, they're going to fight against that with tooth and nail because that's going to put a lot of people in jail.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's going to get a lot of people fired, a lot of people are going to lose their careers if they lie to Congress, if they misappropriated funds. There's a lot of weird stuff that gets attached to that. And so I think there is some sort of, whether it's the government, whoever's doing it, there's some sort of sophisticated disinformation campaign that's essentially tied to everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's a disinformation campaign that's tied to medicine. There's a disinformation campaign tied to fluoride in the water. There's a disinformation campaign that's tied to almost everything. The idea that there wouldn't be for UFOs is kind of crazy. Of course there is. But if there is, that's really a disinformation. It's illegal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's bad. I know. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. I have a feeling there's a lot going on. And I think they have infantilized us for so long that to give up the reins of that is the same thing that people, like why they don't want to give up the reins of free speech. They're in control of the power. If you really do have knowledge that we are not alone,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
and you're hiding that from the American people, well, you've already made a terrible choice, and you've been probably making this choice for decades. Why would you change that now, and what are the repercussions? Are any of them positive? It doesn't seem like they are for your career.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think the best way forward, if you're just one of those people that wants to protect their career, which most of them are, right, which is what the whole Hunter Biden laptop thing was about, people protecting their career. Trump get into office and everybody here gets fired, so they protect their career with lies. This is just what people do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So if you're asking them to disclose stuff that they've been hiding for so long, good fucking luck. Good luck. And if you wanted to create a misinformation campaign or you wanted to confuse the waters even more, I'd have a bunch of fake whistleblowers. I'd get agents to say a bunch of crazy shit about biological entities and mind control and – Shut down nuclear power plants.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'd have them say all kinds of crazy shit that's provably untrue. Okay, here's the little red lights. Is this just a photograph?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yo, that's moving pretty quick. Whoa, that's weird looking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The problem is you need a Samsung phone because you'd have better zoom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, I mean it could be. I'm not saying it's not bad. It's hard to look at it because you've got it zoomed in because I'm not getting a perspective of how quickly it's actually moving. It does look weird, but it also looks like how it would look like it was fire in one of those. Well, now it's moving. Very strange.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Drunk aliens. They look hammered. They're not even driving straight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. The stars moving seems more interesting. I've never seen shit. I convinced myself I saw something when I was a kid, but I'm pretty sure it was a jet. Did you just get this or no? This is the one from my friend that sent me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, it's probably lanterns. That's probably what you saw. Yeah. Did you get the last one? That's the whole beautiful thing about real investigations. You could find out stuff that's nonsense. And ball lightning is one of my favorite ones. I've seen actual videos of ball lightning. Have you ever seen it? No, I don't think I have. Jamie, this is obviously a lantern.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So one of them's staying still and the other one's moving weird?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
What is that other one? Actually, that's weird. I don't even remember that. So I'll just... It's okay. See if you can find video of ball lightning. Ball lightning is wild, man. If you didn't know what that is, if you didn't know that this is like tectonic plates shifting against each other and they release energy and you see this stuff flying through the air, it's so crazy looking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it doesn't look... Does it look like the Fukushima UFOs?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's ball lightning. Uh-huh. This isn't a lightning storm, but there's a really cool one of this canyon where ball lightning just comes out of the ground, this canyon.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Whatever it is, like, ball lightning is a real thing, and it's really weird. And it moves around, and if you didn't know any better, you'd think it's an alien. But that doesn't discount, like, Ezekiel's take of a wheel within a wheel and all the crazy shit from the Bhagavad Gita. Here's a lantern. Oh, look at the little pretty lantern. That's what I just sent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It might be some kind of – That looked weird. Yeah. But it's also clouds. And he's super zoomed in. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
What is your take on this? What do you think is going on with the UAPs? I genuinely – Are you looking for more videos? I was just going to keep sending them though. We've got enough of the lantern videos. All right, enough of the lanterns. Do you see what's going on here? You want to believe that's not lanterns. So you want to keep showing us better videos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm genuinely agnostic in the sense that – Right, but you keep sending videos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm convinced. I'm putting all my money on lanterns. On the orange orbs. So what do you think this UAP program, what do you think they're actually studying? Like, what is that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, I agree with you. But it also makes me wonder what's the motivation and what you must have formed some sort of a personal opinion on what's going on, or at least you have an inclination towards what's going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, Project Blue Book was essentially designed to ridicule the people that thought they saw something. J. Allen Honick, when he left Project Blue Book, became a UFO proponent. That's all you need to know. Which is very convincing. Yeah, absolutely convinced that it's all real. And it explained how he was told to label everything as swamp gas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Do you think there's a genuine fear in giving people this information and having a collapse of society if it turns out to be true? If a genuine – if we – there was a full disclosure and all this top secret video that has been hidden that's really high resolution – All that stuff gets released, and the government says, this is what we know. I'm sorry.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sorry we're keeping this from you, but if we give immunity— But what would it show? Well, I don't know what it is. I could say what it shows, but maybe they know what it shows.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But who's saying that the extraterrestrials say there's no God?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I think the society collapses because we're faced with an intelligent being that's been able to...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
visit us for ages whenever it wants and we weren't aware of it and we the illusion that anyone of human race is in control of this earth and can lead us from some sort of a position of knowledge and strength in the face of this overwhelming force from another planet that would that would be a collapse of rules and of of society the like that we have never seen before but why
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because no one would listen to anyone anymore because there would all of a sudden be a new daddy in town and people would want to figure out what the new daddy wants them to do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, that's part of the lore, right? It's part of the lore. Who's making deals with aliens? I think much more likely be they do whatever the fuck they want to do and we're terrified of them. That's what I think would much more likely. Like, are you going to make a deal with like baboons? Are you going to go to the fucking baboon tribe and go listen, you fucking dummies?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm going to make a deal with you. No, you're going to do whatever you want. You're going to abduct them and perform studies on them. That's what we do. No, but we- We do that to primates?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He did not look protected. He looked like he was in a gorilla prison for no fucking reason.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the reality is some gorillas get abducted and they get put into zoos. Yes. That's the reality. It's bad. Same as some humans get abducted and they get brought on the spaceship. Well, we don't know that. We don't know that. I think probably. Have you ever listened to Betty and Barney Hill talk about it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Okay, finally. Pentagon goes on record. So following Michael's story, the DOD has now commented, the Department of Defense has no record, present or historical, of any type of SAP called Immaculate Constellation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sue Goff. There's a lot to digest. I doubt DOD would ever likely confirm a UAP's existence. I am trying to confirm whether any type of SAP also refers to USAP.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I know, but this is my whole point. To keep everybody fucking clueless and guessing and keep all the infighting going on, wouldn't you release a bunch of shit that's not necessarily true? I would. If I was really running a secret government UFO retrieval program and we were in contact with extraterrestrials— I would release a bunch of nonsense all the time that makes it look stupid. Oh, I see.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
What do you think would have happened if he didn't buy it?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Also, how can you say that? You don't know. Nobody knows anything. You could say it might be a secret weapons program. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, but it might be we get visited by fucking aliens from outer space because space is goddamn huge and life is here. So we know intelligent life exists in our solar system, which is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems just in this galaxy alone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe. The odds that this is it are fucking dumb. That's a dumb thought. So are we visited and does the government know? This is the question.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if they did know, and they've been protecting us all these years, because especially back before they had any control of, when they had all control, rather, of any narrative, whether it's newspaper, television, the government had complete and total control. And the real argument is after Kennedy was assassinated, they've had control over everything, including the presidency.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you can say whatever you want. Why would you tell people? Why would you tell people about UFOs and complicate your life? Just say it's bullshit. Hire a guy to tell everybody it's bullshit, and then a few people know about it. And those few people are the privileged few, and it feels kind of cool to have some inside information.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And every now and then you get a little whistleblower, and that guy's a kook. Bob Lazar. Come on. Bob Lazar's a loser. That guy, you really think we'd have him work on our... Oh, he's on the list of the employees at Los Alamos Labs. That's a fucking bullshit. So he knows the inside of Los Alamos Labs by heart. He can walk you around. He knows the security guards. They know him by name.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They remember him. He can tell you where the stations are. He tells you exactly how these things move. And then the Go Fast video, you see the fucking thing turning sideways and moving exactly how he described it. So if that's real, if that guy really was working on a retrieval program and that was in 1987, 86, what? How long has this been going on?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if it has been going on for a long time, why would they tell us now? I don't think they would. I think there's a long – if it's real, if it's a real phenomenon that the highest levels of the government are aware of, I think it's been kept under wraps for so long it's almost impossible. It's like a person coming out of the closet. You're 58 years old. I don't want to do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't want to do it. You know, it's like it's been so long you've been lying. It would cause so many problems if you came out and told the truth. And I think it's very difficult for people that have been lying to hundreds of millions of people about one of the biggest questions that humans have ever had. Are we alone? And what is this all about?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they've had the answers for all this time telling us now too hard.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sure. Well, especially all these people that have been lying to Congress and misallocating funds and are a part of these programs that are hidden programs. You could go to jail for that. You could lose your career if they blame one person or blame a group of people and they decide, well, it was Mike's idea. Mike's in trouble. Mike gets brought in front of Congress and you're in real deep shit.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I agree. I think someone should do that, whether it's Kamala or Trump, whoever gets in there, give them blanket amnesty and let's fucking tell people what's going on. Because either it's bullshit or it's real. Both of them are crazy. The fact that people have been lying about UFOs forever is crazy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like Rush's position is that he just felt compelled to tell the truth because there's just too deep – and too powerful to be in the hands of these people. It shouldn't be that way.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't know what it is, but I don't think we're alone. Well, I don't think we're alone in the universe. I think the only question is are we alone on Earth? I don't think we're alone here. I don't think I would allow us to be alone. I think I'd keep a close look on us fucking crazy assholes.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Or much more advanced and doesn't want us to be aware completely of its presence. And it's monitoring these psychotic monkeys who have this propensity to be constantly intoxicated who are also in control of thermonuclear weapons and are enforcing magical lines they drew in the dirt. Here's the other thing I'll say.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I think one way to ensure that you don't have to kill all the people is to go to the people that have the biggest weapons and say, we're here. Stop fucking around. Leave us alone. And let them do whatever they want to do.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's a good question. Observing us? Probably observing us, just like we observe uncontacted tribes. We observe gorillas.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sure. Well, maybe they're protecting us. From what? Ourselves. That's one theory. Well, the reason why my club, the rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy is because those bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that started a whole wave of UFO sightings.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think that's probably why. I mean, just logically, if I was from another planet and I saw, oh, we've just detected a nuclear bomb went off on whatever they call our planet. Like, let's go see what they're up to and go check in on them. They probably visit infrequently, just like scientists when they're going looking for sloths, they visit infrequently. Just think of what we do.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They tag them? Sure. I had a woman on here yesterday that works with wolves. This is her book. Yeah, Diane Boyd, Woman Among Wolves. Her entire life has been tagging wolves, releasing them, studying their behavior, finding out where they go. Of course they would do that with us. We do that with wolves. Of course they would do that with us. We do that with butterflies. We study everything.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So do you think when social media first came along, they sort of underestimated the potential and they let it become what it is? And then once it got so huge, then they tried to infiltrate, like perhaps after 2016? Then they try to infiltrate and kind of realize it's a little too late because there's just too many people like yourself and substack people and podcasters. There's just too much.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Humans are interested in other things and acquiring information. We're curious. If you're going to be the type of thing that can figure out how to get here from another planet, you're going to be really fucking curious. The curiosity that is required to allow you to figure out interstellar travel is pretty bananas. You got to be super fucking curious. And I think they probably are.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
i think they're probably aware that there's an adolescent period that every intelligent species goes through when it has the power to blow itself up and it doesn't have the wisdom to not do it because there's clear examples right now every day all over the world of people killing people blowing people up you can see it in the news every day with what's going on the middle east what's going on in ukraine it's really clear that we have the power but we don't have the wisdom
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And so there's probably an evolutionary period where this intelligent animal adapts and learns from its mistakes and eventually gets past these base primate instincts of greed and envy and lust and anger and retribution and retaliation, gets past this territorial instinct and recognizes that we are truly all connected. But it takes a long time biologically.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think the thing that helps it along is technology. And I think there's this furious battle of trying to claim ground and control technology's influence on people because we know it's an overwhelming influence.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And we know that the technology that has allowed people to have truth, maybe for the first time in human history, where anyone like yourself can come on a podcast like this, an independent journalist, and you can reach thousands.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
millions and millions of people that's never happened before and that's changing things AI will change things further and then sentient AI will change things in impossible ways that we can't even imagine there's not a science fiction author around that's right now got an accurate idea of what a hundred years from now looks like It's all 100% guesswork.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you lived in 1500, 1600 wasn't that much fucking difference. Everybody's got a musket. Everybody's on a boat. Basically the same shit. The difference between 2024 and 2021-2024 is going to be bananas. It's going to be impossible to imagine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's a great time for real journalism because you're confronted with so much bullshit and propaganda and that people reject that bullshit and propaganda and they're turning towards real journalists. So thank you.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Thank you for being here. Thank you for everything you do. You are a real source of light in this confusing time that we live in. And I appreciate your courage and I appreciate your writing and all the work that you put out.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
True story. There's plenty of other podcasts that would still be talking about it, but thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Bye, everybody. Thanks for watching.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Too many popular people on Twitter that have huge accounts that are on it all day long and monetizing it and acting as legitimate independent journalists without any sort of oversight.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Does Brazil have something similar to our First Amendment?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How is Bill Gates in this conversation at all? That's what's confusing. A non-elected official who just owned a software company.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We've already talked about George Soros and the fact the FCC fast-tracked him purchasing 200 different radio stations.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Is that with that woman where she – when he says, well, he's dead now. So be careful.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
cia approval so the prevailing theory is which what most people believe is that they brought these people there under this premise that you're going to be there with heads of state and industry and famous people and scientists and this is going to be an amazing place where exceptional people get together and once you get there you get a little loose and you start drinking a little and perhaps taking in some party favors and then there's ladies yep
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, I'm not. Something's going on in the fact that they haven't been released. Right. The client list hasn't been released.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And there's also you need to maintain power in order to protect yourself from all this stuff that we just talked about.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And one of them's protect people trying to tell you not to take vaccines.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Well, I'm not even telling people not to do anything. No. But there's people that are spreading air quotes, misinformation about vaccines. Right. Including real facts. Well, right. Those are the most dangerous ones. Well, that's what the most bizarre is that he himself has changed his take on it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And he did it sort of it seemed like to try to cover up the fact that he was promoting it for so long. And, well, it didn't work as we wanted. And COVID wasn't as bad as we thought. And it didn't really offer the protection that you need in order to actually – it's not a sterilizing virus. It doesn't actually kill the virus. It doesn't keep you from getting it. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So it does allow transmission. So he kind of admitted all those things. But like, oh, we'll do better next time was sort of the gist of it. Right. And this idea that you have to use – you can't have people talking about inconvenient things that eventually turn out to be true seems crazy to not push back on. And the fact that he said that and there was no response whatsoever in mainstream media.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There was no New York Times articles written about it. The Washington Post didn't cover it and talk about how fucking insane it is to say something like that, especially after what we've been through. The gaslighting. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How could you do a debate against the science guy?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, everybody's seen that Rachel Maddow clip. Right. But here's the thing. If everybody took it, how do we even know if it reduced hospitalization and death? We don't know. And when we know that the fact that the people that died of COVID, the vast majority of them have four plus comorbidities. And we know that some ungodly amount of the population was vaccinated.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Could you, though, if you have 80% of the people that are vaccinated and the 20% that are unvaccinated, are they of a particular political leaning? And what are the health metrics of that particular political leaning? Has anybody done some sort of an analysis on the people that did versus didn't? What was their state of their physical health or metabolic health before they made these decisions?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because ideally what you would look at if you wanted to find out if it stopped transmission or, excuse me, hospitalization or death, you would want to look at the overall body of human beings and then we have a bunch of things that we do know, right? Okay. So we know that... Here's a group of people that died. Well, what do they have in common? Well, the vast majority of them have comorbidities.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The vast majority of them are either really old or obese or are very ill, very, very ill. So we have what was the actual number of people that died of COVID? I think ninety nine point seven survived. Right? Right. So it's 0.03 of the people that got COVID. Is it something like that? Man, I'm not an expert on COVID.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You have to take into account how many people were put on ventilators who wound up dying, which we now know was a terrible idea. 80% of the people they put on ventilators died. We know remdesivir had terrible health consequences.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We know there's a bunch of things that people are connecting to the vaccine that no one is admitting, and that hospitals and especially employers are very reluctant to say that these mandated vaccinations cause these serious health consequences that we know are real. And then we have this mysterious uptick
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
of all-cause mortality that everyone wants to conveniently ignore and no one wants to make some sort of correlation or causation. So do we really know that it prevented death?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But I mean, even like saying that in front of Bill Nye, the science guy, like he's saying it prevented hospitalization and death. By what measurement? Like, how can someone so confidently say that when we know there's so much wrong with the vaccine, when we know that it didn't stop transmission, and then we found out it wasn't even tested to stop transmission. That was all a lie.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the fact that they gave it to so many pregnant women with no tests on pregnant women. There's so much about it where people want to say this one thing because they think it will keep them from getting in trouble. And that thing that keeps you from getting in trouble, the vaccine was good because it prevented hospitalizations and deaths. I'm like, how have you shown that?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It was a magic cure. Right. It's not even like the polio vaccine. Because if you look at polio, have you ever seen the curve of when the polio vaccine actually comes in?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Okay. I'll send this to Jamie because it's quite fascinating. Most people are under the impression that the polio vaccine stopped polio in its tracks. But the reality is polio cases have radically declined before the polio vaccine came along. It's weird when you find – I mean that's the problem with these goddamn rabbit holes. I'll send this to you, Jamie.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And this is a bunch of different vaccines that we associate with stopping particular diseases. And what probably actually happened was there was some sort of herd immunity. And it's also the advent of sanitation. People in inner cities are using outdoor outhouses. There's stopping the use of DDT. There's a bunch of different factors that seem to play in that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But look at where the polio vaccine comes along.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. You know another crazy statistic about polio?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
What percentage of polio do you think is asymptomatic?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
99. Wow. 95 to 99, depending on who you ask. And the majority of polio cases today are vaccine-derived polio. So there's a particular strain of vaccine that causes people to get polio. And there's a particular strain of polio, rather, that comes from that vaccine. So where are you at? What's your bottom line on vaccines right now? I am not a vaccine expert.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But I am a person that has been lied to for four years and so blatantly and so obviously. When you look at Fauci talking to Rand Paul and just lying openly about whether or not they funded gain-of-function research and the fact that he got away with all that. The fact that the White House tells you for the unvaccinated you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Just scaring the shit out of people. And it seems to me they were doing that to maximize profits because they wanted to keep selling these things. And a lot of people got extremely rich. Many billionaires were created because of the pandemic, because of the COVID vaccine. It's all very spooky to me because I think there's a long history in this country of people...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Doing things for money, knowing that people are going to suffer because of it. Well, it's just sort of a human thing if you can get away with it. It is illegal and you have the protection in place and you know that you're going to profit largely from this. You do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They pulled out a lot quicker than we did, too.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, that's the difference between socialized medicine, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And it's people that are connected to institutions, all of them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you're connected to educational institutions. You're connected to these pharmaceutical industries, these various institutions that are funding media. So they have enormous influence and power over narratives. And then you have people like Bill Nye, who's not even a scientist. No, I know he's an engineer. Which is really wild, right? A guy who's not a scientist is the science guy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And this is the guy that is a spokesperson. I find spokespeople for science that are arrogant very strange. It's a very strange thing because there's a scientific method, and that's what science is. Science is applying the scientific method and data and trying to find out the truth based on what we know. It's not trust the experts. No. Especially when the experts are severely compromised.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And what are they being accused of that the government is saying is so important that they need to be banned?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Didn't the concept of it come to Descartes in a dream? Of science? Yeah. I believe so. Definitely the idea. See if you can find how he figured out where he initially came up with the concept of science. But it was understanding nature through measurement. I forget exactly how he came up with it, but I'm 99% sure it came to him in a dream.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I believe it was like an angel that brought him this information in a dream.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
A French philosopher and mathematician believed that he had three dreams in November 10th, 1619 that revealed the basis for the scientific method and its philosophical methods. He was possessed by a genius who revealed answers in a dazzling light. He went to bed exhausted and dreamed three dreams.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He envisioned reforming all knowledge, understanding the nature of existence, and how to be certain of that knowledge. Descartes' dreams are considered a philosopher's dream and are considered to be authentic. His interpretations of the dreams are supported by biographical material, neuroscientific theory, and psychoanalytic theory.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Descartes' dream is also the subject of The World According to Mathematics, a series of essays that examines the influence of mathematics on society. The essays consider how mathematics can be applied to civilization, how these applications can be beneficial, dangerous, or irrelevant. So it came to him in a dream, the idea of it initially.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's very interesting, right, that human beings lived for so long before the scientific method came along, and now it has become this weird thing that's been captured by people who are so-called experts, the spokespeople for the science, which is always dangerous when you have an enormous group of intelligent people, which the United States is. The United States is 330 million people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Some of them have degrees. Some of them are just brilliant people that have spent a lot of time studying things. And there's a lot of them. There's a lot of people. So when you have all these people debating things and you want to maintain control and push a narrative, that shit gets very messy. And the best way to handle that is to have certain people be the stern purveyors of the science.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's it. When you criticize Anthony Fauci, you're criticizing science. That's right. He said that. It's incredible. That was a wild thing to say, but it's so transparent because it shows how they really think. Absolutely. And it's scolding. You are not supposed to. It's the same thing that happened when Martin Luther translated the Bible into phonetic languages because no one could speak Latin.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No one had to read Latin. They were poor people. But when he translated it into German and all these different languages that people could read and said, hey, this is up to you to interpret what God said, the church was like, hey, fuckface, you're cutting in on our racket. Like, we need people that are the spokespersons for God. The people that are going to tell you what God meant.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You don't get to decide what God meant. That fucking dude is dressed like a wizard. He gets to decide. So they're wearing these crazy costumes that regular people don't get to wear, which makes you think, well, he's got the wacky costume and the fish head hat. He must know more than me. Which is a weird play on authoritarianism.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's a weird, it's a very strange thing that people accept when people have costumes on. Like if cops were wearing Nirvana t-shirts and board shorts, you'd be like, hey, fuck you, man. You're just a regular dude. Right. You know, but like you are going 55 in a 50. When he's wearing a uniform, you're like, damn, I'm getting in trouble with a uniformed person. This is real.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They're scientists. They've got a stethoscope. They know what my heartbeat per minute is.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you're stifling debate, you're stifling science. You are anti-science if you are anti-debating about science, or at least the data. It's very similar to free speech in that same way.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, as soon as you're censoring people like Jay Bhattacharya and Peter McCullough and Robert Malone, as soon as you're doing that, these people are rock-solid, credentialed physicians. Peter McCullough has the most scientific papers published in his field in human history. Like, this is a legitimate scientist slash doctor, and he's telling you. He's telling you.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He's using the actual methods that you're telling people, trust the science. He's actually doing it, and he's got a whole list of credentials to his name. He's a very accomplished person in this field, and yet they're censoring him because what he was saying was going against narratives. Of course. So you're stifling debate, which everyone knows is the wrong way to do it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Even if he's wrong, the correct thing to do is to get him publicly to talk to someone who is right and have the world see how this person who is right is going to correct him on the errors of his analysis. And then we all learn. But instead, what do they do? They try to get them booted off of social media, which is very sketchy behavior. We don't like that. Well, it's what Francis Collins said.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. It's sort of like every other institution where people want to get ahead. You have to play the rules. Yeah. You have to play the game by the rules that's established by the people that are controlling the game. It's conformism. It's just bizarre when that happens with science and mathematics and with all these different things that we thought of as these... Hard sciences.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They ended up making – and it's an incredible story because – Do you know the other theory of why there's so many peanut allergies and so many allergies in general? No. I don't know if this is true. Obviously, I'm not an expert in any of these things that I'm talking about. But the theory is that when you're vaccinating children and you're using aluminum –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you have the inert virus, you have the dead virus, and you have this agitator, this thing that causes people to have this reaction. And then they find the inert virus, they develop antibodies for it. That's how vaccines work. But that aluminum causes... severe allergic reactions and can cause you to become allergic to various things, including peanuts.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm butchering this for sure, but Brett Weinstein has made this argument, and he believes that's possibly why he has a severe wheat allergy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Do they have the same vaccination schedule? I don't know. I don't have to check. They were very vaccinated for COVID. I mean, it was an interesting way. Israelis were. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I believe they mandated it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That was obviously after those hearings. It was after those hearings.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Has there been any debate or discussion? Like, has anybody tried to hold them to the fire as to why these people are being banned? And please prove that this is misinformation. Has there been any sort of discussion?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You sound like anti-science to me. If that's what it is, sign me up.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The crazy thing is it seems to be an emergent behavior pattern. When people get into power, when people have power, they always go in this very particular direction of control. And this was what the founding fathers of the Constitution, the people that founded this country, when they were laying it out, they were trying to prevent that from taking place.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they had this very elaborate plan to sort of subvert normal human behavior, to stop it from taking place. root in this country and to make this a better experiment in self-government than what they'd experienced under dictatorships. And people always want to get it back to where they're comfortable, which is being a dictator.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I always heard that he was a great guy when Jair Bolsonaro was the president. The narrative was Bolsonaro was a dictator, that he was a bad guy. But I know so many Brazilians from jujitsu. I know so many Brazilians and they all love Bolsonaro. I was like, I am so confused about their politics over there. I don't know what's going on. But Lula was supposed to be this guy that was for the people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Can you imagine what they're doing now? We see some of it. Well, the guy who tried to shoot Trump, the guy they shot on the roof, what was the deal with that?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, his home was professionally scrubbed. They didn't even find silverware in it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, he sounds like a full on loon, you know, and I think when you're if I was an intelligence agent and I was trying to do this kind of stuff, I would find people already out of their fucking minds. Right. I'd reach out to them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, it seems to be a very valuable asset. That's what Lee Harvey Oswald was. He was a fucking loon. And they probably recruited him and knew all along that he was the guy they were going to pin it on. Right. And this kid is probably a very similar case, the kid that shot Trump. And when you find out that this kid was in a Blackwater commercial just two years before, like, what?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like, who's he in contact with? Like, what? Was it Blackwater or Black Rock? Oh, Black Rock. Sorry. Black Rock. Yeah. Just protecting you from any future lawsuits. I always fuck those two up. It's a Black Rock commercial. I've said it right and wrong both times, like, many times.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It was rough. Like some of it is leaked and I guess it was probably people trying to discourage hate against trans people. But the reality is the majority of the last few school shooters have been trans. This is also something that's conveniently left out of the discussion. And that's not even the real problem. It's not like trans people are violent. The real problem is psychiatric drugs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And that's the thing that no one wants to make a connection with. How many of these mass shooters are on psychiatric drugs? And the answer is the majority of them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, and then unfortunately, there was a bunch of conspiracy theories that he was his lover and he was in the house. And if you see the guy while he's talking to the cops and holding the hammer and Paul Pelosi is trying to hold on to the hammer, the whole thing is mad. Like, why is Paul Pelosi still have a drink in his hand?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And to hear that he is a part of this whole disinformation crackdown, alleged disinformation crackdown, is so disheartening.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like, dude, you're in a mortal struggle with a man who has a fucking hammer in his hand and you're holding the hammer with one hand because you want to keep your drink. I couldn't figure out why the cops didn't just go grab the hammer in that moment. They sat there and waited. I don't think they knew exactly what was going on. It was very weird looking. It was very strange.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It didn't seem like Paul Pelosi was – he wasn't screaming or in danger. He seemed very calm. He was probably trying to slow this guy down and relax him and calm him down while the cops were arriving. And just didn't ever feel like he was going to get hit in the head with a hammer, which is what wound up happening. The video is so disturbing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But if you look at the man in the video, he's clearly out of his fucking mind. Right. You know, there's something wrong with that guy. Like, you could tell right away. Like, here it is.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Why is Paul holding on to his drink while this guy's got a fucking hammer in his hand?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The guy's got two hands on it and you've got one.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so horrible. That video is so horrible when you hear him snoring. And also, he's an 80-year-old man, okay? For an 80-year-old man to get knocked unconscious in the head with a hammer like that, he's not going to ever be the same again. Yeah. That's bad for a 20-year-old person to get hit in the head with a hammer. It's awful.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
For an old guy like that to get KO'd like that with a fucking hammer where he's snoring in the car.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He was clearly mentally ill. Yeah. But clearly mentally ill, by the way. people, they will adopt whatever ideology is the most persuasive. They're not objectively thinking about things. He's out of his fucking mind. Well, we don't blame John Hinckley Jr.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, it's also – it's very difficult to get people to seek treatment. Yeah. And then also the treatment, especially in terms of things like SSRIs. They have to try a bunch of things on you. It's not as simple. Everybody has a different level of mental illness, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And so there's also different causes of this mental illness, and there's different medications that work, and they don't really know until they try it on you. And then we find out now that the entire theory that it's based on, which is that there is some sort of chemical imbalance, is incorrect. It's not true. So then, okay, we have to take this holistic approach
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
view of the body and the mind and the health of the individual based on lifestyle and choices and community and friends and all these different things that we don't want to take into consideration instead they're just giving people pills and they give people pills and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it causes a dissociation effect these the dissociatives these weird drugs that people take where they don't even exactly know what the fuck they're doing while they're doing it and
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. Yeah. And it's probably they already have a propensity for it. Right. The thought is that. I forget what percentage of the population. I think it's 1% as a tendency towards schizophrenia or will eventually become schizophrenic. And then you take that 1%. That's a lot of people, man. Oh, for sure. One out of 100.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You take one out of 100, you give them a giant dose of edible marijuana and they're gone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Was this after the sweeping psychedelics acts of 1970 when it made everything schedule one?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. That's probably part of it, too, right? I mean, it was ubiquitously used during the Nazis. The Nazis used it. During World War II. So Speed was around for a long time. The problem with Speed is it works. It really works. People take it. I've never fucked around with any of it. But the people that I know that have tried Adderall, they tell you, you feel like you could do anything.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And you get things done. And that's attractive to everybody, whether you're a hippie or a capitalist or anybody. You just want to feel more empowered. Until you don't. Until you don't. Yeah. Especially when it stops working well and you keep taking more and more of it. And the next thing you know, you're out of your mind. You're losing your teeth. Right.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Isn't that the real problem is that we don't develop human beings with a level of self-control and a level of discipline and we don't encourage people discipline. We don't encourage, and I don't mean like disciplining a person, I mean self-discipline.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We don't encourage this concept that to be able to force yourself into doing difficult things, you empower yourself and you strengthen your mind and your resolve and your spirit. And if you genuinely gravitate towards positive results, positive results in your social life, positive results in business, positive results in artistic endeavors, you
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you genuinely gravitate towards those things, that is probably going to keep you on the right path in life. And that we should really look at things in that way. There should be guidelines. What are you trying to do with your life? Why do you feel bad? What is wrong with your body? What are you eating? How are you sleeping? What kind of people are you surrounded with?
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What happened to you when you were a child? Did someone beat you? Did you get sexually molested? What demons are haunting you? And what, in fact, can be done to help you.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if you read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, it's very progressive. Not only is it very progressive, it's very compassionate and kind and considerate. Like one of the things that he talks about is forgiveness. It's a very important quality that he believes that he works on.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But it is important sometimes, right? Sometimes in emergencies, but it's a classic thing where it's just over-applied.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. Right. Because they don't want to also blow out the hoo-ha. Yeah. The reason why I brought up trauma before us, I think that's one of the legitimate uses of psychedelics that I think it's it's pretty provable that there's positive outcomes. particularly MDMA for soldiers. This is what MAPS had been working on.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And when you ask people in the service of their country to go overseas and kill people and become a part of a war and get shot at and see their friends die, those people are going to come back with
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unimaginable strain on their psyche unimaginable and the one thing universally that these people have sought help with that has helped them it's been psychedelics and it's huge in the special operations community discussions of not just ayahuasca but ibogaine in particular which is uh Absolutely non-addictive.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, and apparently, I don't have experience with it, but apparently an unbelievably brutal introspective experience where you see your entire life and it's sort of laid out why your behavior patterns exist and the way they exist.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And oftentimes they combine the Ibogaine experience with another psychedelic, whether it's psilocybin or 5-MeO-DMT or there's a bunch of different ones that they try and all of it has to be done. in other countries. A lot of them, it's done in Mexico because it's illegal in the United States. But I have personally talked to people. I had Sean Ryan on the podcast the other day.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He had a personal experience of how it changed his life. I know multiple soldiers where it's changed their life. And this is illegal. And this is something that we should be looking at every single tool available to help people. Stoicism, absolutely. But soldiers are the most stoic motherfuckers.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Those Navy SEALs, they're the most stoic fucking get shit done people you're ever going to run into in your life. And if they're still struggling, maybe these things are tools. I agree with you that both marijuana and real psychedelics, hard psychedelics like LSD, I think there's certain people that shouldn't do anything.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think the only way we find that out is we run real studies and do real tests and really try to understand what – Get some real science behind the mechanism behind these things and what is wrong with these people that are freaking out and what is the cause of these psychotic breaks? What is the cause of schizophrenia? Especially when someone doesn't have it and then develops it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So there's some biological mechanism. There's something taking place in the body that all the wires get crossed and now this person thinks Satan's talking to them. So what is that?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sure. But not necessarily. Not necessarily with these high-dose drug experiences. If people do acid and then they become schizophrenic, what is that? Some people do acid and they figure out the double helix strand of the DNA, and they have incredible visions, like Francis Crick. Other people, they do it, and they're like, what the fuck? Now they're gone. The guy from Pink Floyd, gone.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Everybody knew somebody when I was a kid growing up who did, Too many drugs and never came back. I know multiple people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's true, but I think it's a tool in the toolbox. And I think to demonize that tool, because some people have a bad effect on it, it's like to demonize all the things that people enjoy that you could consider legal vices, like gambling. I do not think you should outlaw gambling, but I think some people should not fucking gamble. I grew up, well, in my 20s, my early 20s, in a pool hall.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And, you know, I played pool like eight hours a day, played competitively. And I was around a lot of gamblers, a lot of gamblers. And it is a disease like anything. It's a disease like heroin. It's a disease like alcoholism. Like these motherfuckers can't stop. Those people shouldn't gamble. Right. Like they are gambling addicts. And there's some people that should not do marijuana.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's some people that should not drink. There's some people that there's a lot of things they shouldn't do. They shouldn't. They don't have whatever it is that allows you to pick up a glass of whiskey, have a drink. And then the next day, boy, I feel like shit. I'm going to the gym. And then you don't drink again for a month.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's some people that realize there's certain vices that you can do in moderation and they're fine. A couple glasses of wine at dinner and everyone's laughing and having a great time. There's nothing wrong with that. But there's certainly some people that cannot handle that. And I think we need to give those – if you want a better, stronger society, we need to develop tools for –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
all people to follow that will give you a better life, including people that have issues with alcohol and gambling and sex and fill in the blanks, drugs and whatever it is that you're interested in and that you're addicted to, rather. And I think there's a bunch of tools that can be used If used correctly. Just like I used to say, you could take a hammer. You could build a house with a hammer.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Or you could hit yourself in the face if you're fucking crazy. Hit Paul Pelosi. Or hit Paul Pelosi. It doesn't mean that we should get rid of hammers. It's like some people have used psychedelic drugs and had incredible insight and it's completely changed their lives and now they're better for it. And then there's some people that we can point to that lost their way and they're gone now.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And we might not ever get back. I mean Howard Stern talked about it famously. He took acid and he was – really fucked up for a long period of time where he really thought he was going crazy. And I think in that case, it's very dangerous. There's also, there's a dosing thing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
When you're taking something that's made in some fucking hippie's bathtub while he's listening to the Grateful Dead, what are the odds that you know exactly what the dose is? What are the odds that this is pure? Especially if you're doing a drug today.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because if you're doing a drug today, you're rolling the dice on whether or not you're going to die of a fentanyl overdose, even if you're taking something that you would think would be completely benign. Like cocaine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Oh, cocaine is a big one. That's a big one. But there's other stuff that people are taking, like molly. They're taking molly, and it's not really molly. It's laced with fentanyl, and they die. They're taking – There's street drugs like anti-anxiety medication that are forged drugs that are actually laced with fentanyl, and they're dying from that kind of stuff.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's people that maybe they developed an addiction to benzos, and then their doctor says, look, I'm cutting you off, and then they fucking find it on the streets, and they die from fentanyl overdoses. I think there's tools that could be used. I think this panacea, this idea that it's a one shop fits all, you go do ayahuasca and now you're a better person, I don't believe that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think there's a lot of work to be done. I think there's a lot of work to be done and I think there's a process as we are growing as human beings. You start off as a child where you don't get to pick your parents and they bring with them a bunch of baggage because they were raised by people in the 1940s and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
and they were raised by people who literally came over on boats from europe to escape tyranny and chaos and they came over to america to the most desperate wage work you could possibly get dock workers steel workers factory workers they would do anything they were desperate they would take any jobs they would work on you know railroads and whatever the they could because they just wanted to be able to eat right and they raised your grandparents
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Have you seen the photographs? It's crazy. It is crazy. It really is crazy. It's, I mean. But he kind of looks like his dad too. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy. But sometimes, you just need it.
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And then your grandparents raised your parents. And then you're here going, OK, what are we doing? And there's some tools. Stoicism is a great tool. It's a great tool. Discipline is a great tool. I think we are blessed in this time that you can hear a lot of speeches from brilliant people. There's a lot of great, brilliant people that have talked about religion.
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various ways that they've overcome their problems on YouTube and on podcasts. And you can learn a lot. And some of them use different tools. Some of them use the tools of meditation and yoga. Some of them use the tools of fasting. And some of them use stoicism. Some of them use martial arts. Some of them used... There's a lot of different things that people do to make themselves a better person.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think... to discount one like psychedelics because there's a bunch of people that abuse it and get fucked up from it. I think it's foolish because the profound effects that these things have should not be minimalized. They shouldn't be dismissed because they're illegal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They shouldn't be dismissed because of ignorance and they certainly shouldn't be dismissed by people who have not experienced them and have not had those profound changes that take place in their perspective on life because there's a lot of people A lot. And I think it's probably been going on through the course of human history.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's probably what caused us to consider democracy in the first place. Have you ever read the Brian Murrow Rescue book, The Immortality Key? No, I haven't actually. I haven't read it. That's what it's all about. It's all about the Illicinian mysteries and what these people would do. They were taking drug-laced wines. And they were coming up with concepts of democracy.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And they were trying to figure out society in a more equitable and even a peaceful way. And the philosophies that they were coming up with, to this day, people read their stuff and it's profound. And these people were all doing drugs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the thing about potency limits, it's they don't have a dose limit. Right. So even if it's potency. So let's say like let's get crazy and say 39 percent because that 39 percent is like high THC. Apparently we looked it up the other day. If like crazy THC that really fucks people up can get as high as 39%. They don't even go that high there. Dutch government goes to 15%.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Okay, so here's my point. Three hits versus one. Okay, so if you have 30% THC and you take one hit, oh my God, I'm so high. If you have 15% THC, you take two hits. But if you're a crazy person and you take 30 bong hits of 15% THC, you're going to get fucked up. You're going to get fucked up no matter what. No one's controlling the amount of pot that you smoke. Snoop Dogg smokes pot all day long.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
When you hang out with that dude, that dude sat there, he rolled like eight blunts in the course of a three-hour conversation. He just kept rolling blunts. He had a... a disco machine, the guy's awesome.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But I mean, whatever tolerance he has is preposterous and it's not that guy who, you know, he's in grad school and he does some bong hits with his friends and has a schizophrenic break and thinks that the government has put a recording apparatus in his pencils. You know, people lose their fucking way and it's not everybody.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think we have to figure out like what is causing it, not eliminate it for the vast majority of people who don't have that effect. Well, we're just really bad at it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. But isn't that because it's always been legal? And I think this is the problem with the United States and our demonizing of certain drugs. Like, we celebrate certain drugs. Look, I own a bar. You know, I'm not opposed to alcohol. But alcohol is one of the most destructive drugs that we have available. But yet, used socially responsible, it makes conversations more lively.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's a social lubricant. Everybody has a great time. As long as you do it moderately or the right way. But it has consequences. We don't do moderate in the United States. But the thing is, some people can moderately drink. We all agree to that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Constraining how? Because isn't this like constraining free speech? If you're a grown adult and you want to drink yourself to death. So if you go over a man's house and he has a wine cellar, should he be arrested? No. Why does he have so much wine? What are you doing with all that wine? If you drank all that wine, you could kill everybody in the neighborhood.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But that's only hard liquor. Hard liquor. I don't know. Yes, you can go to a supermarket and buy beer and wine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How old are you? 53. I'm 57. When I was a kid, they changed the age from 18 to 21 before I hit 18. I was like, fuck. Yeah. But it didn't stop you from drinking. Maybe that was local. Is that local? Is that Massachusetts only? No, it didn't stop me from drinking. Come on. Every kid gets together in parties and they all figure out a way to drink.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But my point is if alcohol – if prohibition had succeeded in the 1920s and we had illegal alcohol in the United States, no one would know how to drink. No one. It would be just – and you would never know what the fuck is in the drinking. You would be still buying drinks. People would still buy drinks. There would be jails filled with people who sold and bought alcohol.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And there would be a bunch of people that died because they got poisoned drinking, because they got drugs – they got their alcohol from the cartel. But so, Joe, how far do you go then? I mean do you sell meth and fentanyl at 7-Eleven? But this is where it gets to be a really interesting question, right? Because why not?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like you shouldn't buy it, but why should it be that only criminals sell it if we absolutely know that there's a market for it? Should we allow people – if you listen to Dr. Carl Hart, who to me is the most brilliant person that I've ever met that does heroin all the time. I don't know if he does it all the time, but he says it's wonderful. He's done it before.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And you also have to take into account that he was a straight-laced clinician. He was not a drug user. He was a guy that was studying the effects of these things and realized that there's a bunch of gaslighting as to what their actual effects of the pure versions of these things are. And that this concept that they are unbelievably addictive and you can't stop yourself, he thinks is false.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He's smarter and more educated about that subject than I am.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But can you see that the same concept can be used to the same narrative can be used to control free speech?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But couldn't you see how you could say the problem in our society is that a bunch of people are saying things that are incorrect and the only way to stop that is to censor them. The problem in society is that some people are drinking too much. The way to stop that is to moderate their drinking and control them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The problem with people that are addicted to drugs is we need to make drugs illegal so no one can become addicted to drugs. But it doesn't work that way because humans don't work that way, and humans don't like other humans telling them what to do.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If it was just you, me, and Jamie on an island, and I decide that coconuts are illegal, and I'm going to put you in a cage that I created out of bamboo if you drink coconut milk because I think coconut's bad for you, and everybody else is saying, I fucking love coconut. This guy's an asshole. Well, that doesn't make any sense, right?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because I'm a grown adult, and I'm telling another grown adult to stop doing something. That's how I feel about almost everything that doesn't hurt other people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right, but most of them are opioid overdoses. Yeah, 75,000 are fatal. Opioid overdoses accidentally. Yeah, because drugs are illegal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. But because those drugs, look, it all started with the Sackler family, right? It all started with oxycodone and all that stuff. But the reality is that there's a bunch of people that are addicted to these drugs. And the way they're getting them is by getting drugs that are tainted with fentanyl. And that's a primary cause for the people that are overdosing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Did you say like 70 plus percent? 75. 75% is fentanyl. So that's because of the illegal drug market. Listen, it is. Because if just those opiates, pure opiates, were available, you could make an argument that those 75% would still be alive if they died from fentanyl overdose.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But there's a reason why they specify fentanyl because it's so much more deadly than the pills.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, they also don't have an opioid crisis because they didn't prescribe it the way we did.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The solution is not to make it more available. But it wasn't available under – it was available under false pretenses. First of all, they lied about it being addictive. Of course. And there's a lot of documentation of this. Not only did they lie, they testified about it. So they knew it was addictive.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then there was also never an opioid that was prescribed as an everyday thing because pain is something that you shouldn't have to live with.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
This is part of the problem that we have in this country. And we accept all sorts of socialized things like the fire department. That's basically a socialist idea. We're all going to contribute. It's all equal. The fire people work for everybody and they put out fires because we all need firemen. And sort of with public schools, very similar.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But when it comes to medicine, we're very wary about that. But the problem is then people profit off of how much they can sell you. And when you have some monsters like the Sackler family and what the fuck they did, that's how you create this opioid crisis. Let's imagine that wasn't the case. So let's imagine this sweeping act in 1970 does not take place.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And all of these psychedelics, whether it's psilocybin, including marijuana, which is made illegal because of prohibition. Prohibition went off and then they started, you know, they went after marijuana. That was a new thing. William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger. It's a long story, but it was really more about hemp as a commodity than it was actually about the drug.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's why they even called it marijuana. Marijuana was a slang name for a wild Mexican tobacco. Didn't have anything to do with cannabis. So when they passed that, they made everything illegal, all these things illegal. And so then when the government comes along and takes this incredibly dangerous and addictive substance like oxycodone and says, let's say you guys want to sell it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We'll make sure the guys that are deciding whether or not you could sell it get a cushy job in the pharmaceutical drug companies afterwards. We'll hook you up if you hook us up. And then that's what created the opioid crisis, not opioids being illegal. Right. Or not being legal, rather. Not being available.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But if it was just heroin. If it was just heroin. No one was doing heroin when I was a kid.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No. But now everyone knows someone who knows someone who's died of oxycodone or oxycontin. Yeah. Or at least is addicted to it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's the problem. And when you decide society, but when you decide, well, certainly for people of a certain age, we all agree to that. Like you shouldn't be able to do that when you're, you know, 16 years old. It's crazy. But if you're a 35 year old man, who's to tell you that you shouldn't be able to try heroin?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I don't think that's the argument. For me, that's not a good calculation. No, I don't think that's the argument.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, first of all, we've already established that 75% of those people are dying because it's illegal. Because it's, no. Because it's fentanyl.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right, but they're not taking heroin. If they think they're taking heroin and they're getting fentanyl, they're getting poison because it's illegal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So oxycodone for sure kills people. Let's be clear about that. I'm not saying it's harmless. But it's not heroin. It's different, right? The curve goes up when they start prescribing it. The curve goes up when they start giving people prescription pills and telling them they need it after an accident. If you just had heroin...
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
available do you think without recommendation people would gravitate towards heroin people generally learn this is one of the reasons why you learn from other people's failures like there's not a lot of people that are crack advocates because crack didn't really work out good for fucking anybody yeah but no one's out there telling people to take crack but if the government came out with some sort of or not the government a pharmaceutical drug company came around and the fda approved it and it was some sort of a medication that gave you the exact same effects as crack
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But they told you this is a great drug for people to overcome timidity. Timidity is a real problem in our culture. We're going to compete with China. They would pathologize timidity for sure. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Like you could do that because that's essentially what they did with pain. And that's how they snuck in heroin. But it wasn't heroin. It was synthetic.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But using that synthetic heroin and using it so ubiquitously and prescribing it is what caused that epidemic. You trick people into getting addicted. By telling people it wasn't addictive and then telling people they need it because of pain. And then, of course, your whole body's in agony because it's addicted to this stuff.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And when you get off of it or you try to get off of it, you're in terrible, terrible pain. So the key is just stay on it. That's the trick.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So if we didn't have that happen, and in 1970 they didn't pass this act that told people that things like Ibogaine that cure people of addictions, actually we rewire the mind in some substantial way that stops all those addictive pathways and stops people from wanting to engage in these self-destructive behaviors because it makes you so aware of why you're doing it in the first place.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We made all of those illegal at the same time.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If that hadn't been done, we would have a much greater – if they hadn't been done and if all of these compounds had been pursued under the name of real science and we actually studied them openly and you had the brightest and most brilliant minds running tests and studies and trying to figure out what's going on and what's good and what's not good and what's the right way to take it and what's the wrong way to take it, you wouldn't have the influence of the cartel because you wouldn't have this insane –
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I mean, who knows what the actual numbers are, but it's hundreds of billions of dollars that are being earned south of our border by these ruthless murderous gangs who control the drug trade because it's illegal in the country that has the most demand for it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. They fucked everybody because they got them addicted. Then they pulled the rug out from under them. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's part of the issue. Yeah. But the issue is a little bit deeper. My friend John Norris wrote a book about this. It's called Hidden War. And what happened was he was a game warden. So he was a guy that would check fishing licenses and stuff like that. In California. In California. Yeah. And they found out that cartels were growing in national forests.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So because they made marijuana legal, growing it illegally was just a misdemeanor. So because of that, 90% of all the marijuana that's grown to all the places where it's illegal, all the states that it's illegal, comes out of California. And it is made by the cartel. So it's the same sort of a situation. Even though it's legal in California.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's an illegal market and this is the safest place to grow it because it's just become a misdemeanor. And we are also a very unique country and we have these wide swaths of land that are public that people could just go out on and just go for a walk in the woods. There's no restriction, it's ours, it's yours.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And so they go out there and they set up shop and they use unbelievably toxic poison pesticides and herbicides. And that shit gets in your illegal marijuana. It's the same thing. It's because it's illegal that is causing all the violence. It's not necessarily because it's being taxed and because there's a black market. The black market is because it's illegal in other states.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's not because people don't want to pay taxes on weed. Weed is so cheap. Not the legal weed. Yes, it is. It's so cheap. It's so cheap.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
For sure, but it's still so cheap. In terms of the efficacy, think about how much it costs to go drinking. You go to a bar with your friends. At the end of the night, you're buying rounds for people. It's hundreds of dollars. Hundreds of dollars of weed will put you on Pluto. You will be on fucking Pluto. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you go to one of those places in LA that has like a store where they're just like an Apple store, you go in and buy weed. For five bucks, you could be fucked up for a week. Oh, no. I get it. Compared to alcohol. It's cheap. It's cheap in terms of its effect. Even if you're paying 39% taxes, which I think they were doing in Colorado, which is the first state to make it legally, like fine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's still cheap. Yeah. It's not that expensive. I don't think it's driving the black market to undercut people. I think that's bullshit.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think what's going on is the black market exists because it's illegal in other states, and you develop these enormous criminal organizations, and they infiltrate legal stores in California, and they do a lot of shady shit in California too, but they exist because it's illegal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So it's been what did the Twitter fires. I know about the Twitter files America. I don't know about the Twitter files in Brazil.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There would be, but it won't be a powerful... unit like the cartel in Mexico. The cartel in Mexico is like a government. It's like an enormous, terrifying government of people that are profiting off of drugs because drugs are illegal in the United States. If everything was legal here and you could grow it yourself, I'm with you on marijuana, not cocaine, not heroin, not fentanyl.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Let's just start off with marijuana. If marijuana was legal in this country and you could grow it yourself, it's so cheap to grow. It's literally a weed. It grows like it's easy. It wouldn't be hard for people like a guy on the block grows it and sells it. And if it was just legal to do that instead of the government getting involved, then you'd have no black market drugs.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It should just be a plant like a fucking tomato where you could grow tomatoes and sell tomatoes and you can go to the farmer's market. Look at my tomatoes. It should be like that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Texas, it's illegal, but it's decriminalized in the city of Austin. And then the Attorney General Ken Paxton apparently doesn't like that and he wants that to stop. I think most of the people that want marijuana to be legal don't necessarily use it and don't necessarily really understand what it does. And there's this idea that it makes you lazy, which is my favorite.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like I know some of the most motivated people ever and they smoke weed all the time. I think it makes you more compassionate. I think it makes you more creative. more considerate. It makes you think about things in a different light. Carl Sagan was a famous cannabis user.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It just means it's safe and healthy. It's simple. Real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The Farmer's Dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long, healthy life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs. Because every dog is different. And I'm not just talking about breeds.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. And I think it would be smart for parents to explain to kids that there are some drugs that are really fucking dangerous. And don't just say all drugs are bad. Just let them know. And if you have a history of mental illness in your family, which many people do, mental illness seems to be something that's inherited, that some people have a tendency towards certain mental states.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's a lot of arguments about that. I'm not the one to say yes or no, but maybe you should not do these things if your family has a tendency towards schizophrenia, if you've had your own mental struggles, if you've had moments where – I know people that have had schizophrenic breaks or they've come back.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I have a couple of friends that had real problems and now they're normal again and not with medication. They just sorted it out and they figured it out. Oh, for sure. And they came back.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How many people do we sacrifice every year because of alcohol? How many people do we sacrifice every year because of sugar? Do you know that heart disease is one of the biggest killers of human beings in this country? And how much heart disease is preventable because of lifestyle and diet? A large percentage. So should we say, why is cake legal? Because you can handle cake, Michael?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That doesn't make any sense. Michael, we've lost 5 million people this year because of cake. And you're saying that cake should be legal because you like cake? That's crazy. So you can get all fucked up on cake? These poor little diabetic kids? You don't care about these diabetic kids?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's my point, is that freedom is the most important thing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So you're going to want to sell fentanyl? Fentanyl is essentially poison. Fentanyl, the LD50 of fentanyl is so small, you can barely see it. You know that, right? Have you ever seen what a lethal dose of fentanyl looks like in comparison to a penny?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Unbelievably terrifying. Yeah. So that is a poison. And that is something that was invented to try to make a more potent opiate.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Fentanyl is a miracle. But it's an opioid, right? Oh, yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Sure, but why wouldn't morphine work? Why wouldn't something like that work?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's the same thing, but it's crime. What you're talking about is crime. So you're talking about preventing crime, right? Because that's all it is. It's illegal to do what you're saying those people are doing.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right, but it's illegal to do that with morphine. There's laws already that prevent you from doing that if you want to follow the law. So it's people that are willing to break the law and do this if there's a reasonable law that gets put forth in terms of age of use, age of discretion. And honestly, I mean, no one's going to buy it, but it probably should be 25, especially for males.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's when the frontal lobe fully forms. Your decision-making is all fucked up. And if you're hitting the bong every day while your brain is forming and this frontal lobe is under development – Of course, it's going to have an effect on it. It's going to have an effect on if you're on Prozac. It's going to have an effect on if you're drinking every day.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's a lot of substances in this country that can do you wrong. And food is one of them. And I don't think that we should be telling people what they can and can't do. I think we should be explaining what you should and shouldn't do. And I think that's the best way to handle this.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, it's a revealing of the actual statistics and the fact that it does cause cancer and that it is addictive. All things that they tried to fight against. It was really money that kept it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There wasn't a giant problem like this back in the 1800s.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It is a nuanced problem, but I think we have to be very careful about limiting people's freedom. And I think there's a bunch of choices that people make that are very bad that you should be able to make. I don't think you should make them. I don't think you should bet your fucking house on a roulette roll. But you can do that. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
She benefits from it, which is nuts. It's nuts to have people benefit financially from people deciding to kill themselves. They're telling people that have long COVID. Right. Oh, you got PTSD? Oh, come on in. I mean, what are the numbers of people that they helped kill themselves last year are fucking terrifying. I think it's like 13,000 people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But they have a giant problem with Moroccan crime gangs and drug sales and gun sales.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Compared to San Francisco and Oakland? I don't know. I'm not the guy. But my friend who was from Holland told me it's a giant. Holland has a giant history of kickboxing. Some of the greatest kickboxers of all time came from Holland. Not surprised. The legends. It's an amazing country. Amazing country. And they're tall, right? Yeah. Well, some of them, the best one ever was small.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
A guy named Ramon Deckers. But he was so ferocious. He went over to Thailand and fucked everybody up. And he became a legend. It's a crazy country in that regard. It's not a very big country, but the people are very big and robust and they're like manly men.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Just like you would expect. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the solution to all of these things that are very complex. And I see your perspective. I really do. But I think, unfortunately, you could apply that perspective to almost everything that people do that's dangerous and tell people they can't make these choices anymore because we're going to lose people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I think you really want to be honest about that one. The biggest one is food. And no one wants to tell people you can't eat cookies. But the reality is that will fucking kill you. And, you know, what should we do about that? What should we do? Should we educate people and tell people about the benefits of healthy diets and exercise? Yes. Yes. I think we should do that with all the above.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think we should do that with all the above. Yeah, I think we should do that with marijuana. I think we should do that with psilocybin. I think we should also take into account the people like these veterans like Sean Ryan that I was telling you that have had these experiences from psychedelics that have changed their life in a huge way.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And for these people that sort of dismiss that and poo poo that and say, oh, Carl Hart just wants to get fucked up. I don't think that's really fair. And I think you have to apply the same ideas of freedom where we have it with speech to especially behavior like drug use where it's not affecting anyone but yourself. And we already have laws that you're not allowed to drive intoxicated.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if someone does something and commits a crime while they're intoxicated, that's also illegal. We have laws that prevent bad behavior. And those laws, it's already criminalized. So I think the real problem is not these things. The real problem is like all things that people get to try out. There's a lot of people that are going to fuck up with everything.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, I don't think you could shuck off the tradeoffs, just like you can't shuck off the alcohol deaths. I think there's something like 90,000 people every year die from alcohol or alcohol-related accidents.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. People that are dying. You can have a couple of drinks and you're definitely not going to die. Most likely. Yeah. But I think what Carl Hart is kind of saying from his own perspective is that he had a very different opinion of what they did and the dangers of them before he started researching them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then once he became a clinical researcher, then he realized, like, oh, this is not – and then he started experimenting with them.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
The Roman and Pharaoh, Frank Sinatra one is just insane. Yeah. That is not Woody Allen's kid. No. Like, no ifs, ands, or buts. That one's more dramatic than the Trudeau one. That one's crazy. I mean, that looks like Frank Sinatra. What are the odds? Unless, like, she loves Sinatra so much, she, like, willed him into existence in her own childhood.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So they have something to lose. If you're a doctor, that's a very difficult process to become a doctor. Almost every doctor you meet is an exceptional person in some way.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, we've had this conversation a bunch of times about, do you just pull the bandaid off and allow that to take place? And so if you don't, you keep empowering the cartel. So your vision is to keep pumping money, billions and billions of dollars every year into the cartel. There's no other way. You're not going to stop. There's no magic wand that you have that's going to stop addiction.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's no magic wand that you're going to have that's going to stop the market for illegal drugs in the United States.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think we can reduce it significantly. How? You tell me how.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You think they're going to vote for that? Yeah, it's way ahead. Yeah, it's over well over 50 percent. That would be nice if they make stealing illegal again. Exactly.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
giving them money, giving them food. All I have to do is sleep in that tent. Okay, fine. People just shitting on the streets. No one's cleaning it up. And when Xi Jinping came to town, everything was hosed down. Everybody was moved out. They put fences up where people couldn't camp there anymore. It was wild. So bad.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And Gavin Newsom's response that when your friends come over, you clean your house up. Like, well, just clean your house, you fucking psycho. What are you, a hoarder? Like San Francisco is like a hoarder's house, but way worse. It's like the idea behind it of it being compassionate is like there should have been a course correction when you realize the results of that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like there's nothing compassionate about letting people shoot up in the streets and have your whole block filled with needles and human poop. And the whole thing's nonsense. Like this is not good for anybody. It's bad for the health of the people that are doing it and certainly the health of the people that are encountering it. He's he's he's opposed to this ballot initiative.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm sure you've seen the list of the people that work on the homeless in California and the salaries they get. Oh, yeah, of course.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And there's very few countries that have figured a way out of that once that already takes place.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think that's the one that people don't want to say, especially people that fancy themselves intelligent. I think a big part of our problem is we have lost... all sense of religious virtue and values as a culture. And we've rejected them under the guise of you being too intelligent for religion.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the results of that is like if you, just look at the results in terms of the way people feel about life. If you really do believe in God, you will feel about life like that it is a gift and is a miracle and you will live a more righteous and just life. It will benefit you, it actually will.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And I don't know if it's true, but I know that if you believe it's true, and Jordan talks about this, he won't say whether or not he believes in God, but if you act as if God is real, you'll have a much better life. And that's a fact. And people know that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They know when you meet a really good Christian person who does charitable things and is a wonderful, lovely person who actually lives by the Bible, not a hypocrite, you're like, wow. Wow. What a cool guy. I really love that guy. He's awesome. Because it's a great value. It's a great virtuous way to live your life. And we've rejected that because we're too smart for it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And in the absence, in the void of this thing that I think we all need, you fill it. With this new religion, whether it's wokeism or whatever it is, fill in the blank, the climate, whatever it is, you find a thing. I think that happened during COVID. I think it became a religion for a lot of people.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
tells me to do well especially when you're the literal translations right when people literally translate ancient religious texts things get weird you know you're you're dealing with a story told down by oral tradition for a thousand years somebody writes it on animal skins they eventually you know it's too it gets weird oh yeah it's weird so but to dismiss all the ideas behind it i think it's foolish
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, the fear is once you tell the person that it's not their fault, that their whole life is because somebody else did them wrong. Absolutely. Or that there's some injustice in the system, some systematic oppression that's keeping them from succeeding. But the reality also is that some people are born in terrible circumstances. Yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then there's no beginning, finish – there's no starting line that's the same.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And the crazy thing is up until about 2012, that's what we thought. I blame Obama. People that don't – a lot of people do because there's a sort of a political incentive to communicate that way and to promote this idea that it's everybody's fault. And everybody goes, oh. And then you get white guilt involved like it's not my fault. I'm an ally.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And then they jump in and next you know people are looking for racism everywhere like racist Columbos. It's weird. It's weird how it shifted because when I was a kid – Racism was bad, period. No one cared. It got to this weird point somewhere around 2012 where it was everywhere in society, and you had to encounter unconscious bias and unconscious racism training in the workplace.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So then you get these grifters who their only job is to tell you that everything is racist, and their only job is to berate you and scare you into... You have to give in to whatever their demands are in terms of the numbers of employees that have to be X, Y, or Z, and they develop these very rigid rules that you have to follow. Now, they're in control.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
No, they're controlling what you're allowed to say, the way you're allowed to discuss things. If someone says anything about a person that is of a particular group, that becomes either homophobic or transphobic or racist or you're not taking into account all these other factors that led that person. It's not equitable. There's all this nonsense talk that's used by grifters. It's a cult.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But it didn't exist. This is what people need to understand. That was all dismissed when I was a kid. By 2012, around that time, that was not a thing. In 2001, that was not a thing. There was always racism. There was always people that were saying there was racism in the workplace. And I'm sure it's true because some people suck.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But it wasn't this overall message that society is inherently racist.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
He literally became the president of the United States, the most difficult job to get on earth. It's the greatest American success story you can imagine.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Because there have been grotesque uses of police brutality on black people. And we all know it. Sure. The problem is if you say that it's not as big of a problem, we have very specific instances where it was a problem.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Right. Sure. But it doesn't mean that it's not still a giant issue if you're a black man and you encounter cops and you're terrified.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
That's still a lot of people that died that didn't have to die if the police weren't incompetent or if they weren't racist or if they weren't fucked up on PTSD because a lot of them are.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Is it too. Yeah. It's hard to bring it up to you.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
right where you out there demonizing and yeah that's not the correct response no and so the cops pull back and so you get more black deaths i mean you get cops that are terrified to police yeah yeah you get cops that are demonized you get a terrible morale you get a lot of really bad things and then you get a wake-up call a few years later where people are like we need to refund the police and that's what happened in minnesota that's happening in a lot of places where people are up in arms like our communities
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
are more fucked up now than they've ever been before. This didn't help anybody, and you didn't even fill the void. It's not like you defunded the police but figured out some new strategy that's more effective and implemented that. No. You just created this bizarre environment where you allow people to steal.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If you make a law that allows people to steal up to $950 worth of shit, they're just going to steal $950 worth of shit every chance they get, and then you're going to see all these businesses closing down like in San Francisco. Yeah. You know, Chamath was on the podcast recently and he thinks that San Francisco is going to experience a rebirth because of AI.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And his perspective is that the super nerds are like more in charge of San Francisco now. And so these sort of mid-level grifters who are into virtue signaling, which is like how you got ahead in a lot of these businesses where you're not really exceptional as a person, but you fit a good quota and you're kind of a DEI hire.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Next thing you know, the CEO of a big company and it's nuts and it happens. And he said that's not going to happen anymore because AI is going to essentially revitalize that area because there's going to be so much money. And the people that are going to be running it are going to be the actual geniuses again.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, they're brilliant people who are finally expressing themselves. And I think that's so huge. And Marc and Chamath and all these folks that are doing that now, it's courageous because if you step out of line with the ideology, with the ideology supports, you get attacked.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah. I mean, he's left. He's here now, right? Yeah. Well, the biggest pushback ever is he spends $44 billion to purchase Twitter. And then we find out all this stuff that's going on. It's incredible. It's incredible. The fact that the Brazil thing is unresolved, and so the only way it's going to be resolved is if they get rid of those 12 people? Oh, well, yeah.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Are they giving in to the requirements? Yeah, they gave in right away.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Did they ban those people off of Facebook, all those people that you were talking about from Brazil?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, I think they're learning it more now because it's being discussed now because it's under threat. And I think people need to understand the ramifications of giving the government control. they're not truthful. There's no instances where you could look back and say, well, the government never lies about this.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's not one thing, whether it's healthcare, whether it's international relations, whether it's their political opponents, whatever it is, things get distorted. There's lies that get told.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But the problem is who gets to decide? And are there ramifications? Let's say if you're one of those people that said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation and you signed off on that. What are the ramifications? What's the result of that? Do people still call on you for suggestions and questions?
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Like people that were involved in Russiagate with Trump that promoted that idea, how come they still get to talk on CNN? Unbelievable. The whole thing is very bizarre. It's like if you really are against misinformation, you have to stop it everywhere you see it, including from yourself. So if your own organization is a purveyor of misinformation and you're acutely aware of it and you hide it,
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
and you dismiss it, and you gaslight everybody, and then you say we have to stop misinformation online. Well, what about yourself? How about I start with you? That's what's happening. You have to clean up your own fucking yard before you come to us.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But you're actually doing it. What they're doing is pretending. Well, right. Pretending. It's not really misinformation. It's inconvenient information. My favorite one was malinformation. Right. Well, you should explain what that is. Malinformation is information that is true but could be harmful.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Which is so nuts. And that was they could apply that to vaccine hesitancy. Right. So you could tell truthful stories about vaccine injuries. They would attribute that to they would put that in the category of this is going to contribute to vaccine hesitancy. So they would put it with a label of malinformation on that one. We could silence that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Well, we already had found out that the Steele dossier was bullshit. So it makes sense that that would be bullshit, too. There was a precedent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So that's misinformation. If you say that it's not true, that's misinformation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's really wild. And we've never had that happen before, which is why it's so scary that nothing happened because of it. There was no repercussions. I mean, people should go to prison for that. Talk to me about aliens. What's going on? You know anything?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
What is your thought on it? So what do you think they're – so if it's a psyop and – I'm not aware of what the book is and what their premise is. But essentially the premise is that UFOs are bullshit?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So it's essentially doing what Project Blue Book did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think some of the phenomena should be dismissed. I think that's one thing that we really need to accept when we try to develop an objective sense of what's really going on, that ball lightning is real. Plasma is real. There's a lot of real natural phenomenon. Ball lightning is bizarre.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if you ever see ball lightning and you imagine you're a person alone in the forest and you saw ball lightning, you would 100% shit your pants. You'd be like, oh my God, there's a fucking alien here and they're going to get me and they're going to take me like Travis Walton. I also think there's something going on with the government.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I believe that they have, and this is a pure guess based on no evidence at all, I think they probably have some super sophisticated propulsion programs that's based on something that is an entirely new set of physics. It's probably based on some sort of gravity propulsion.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
There's long been speculation that eventually there'll be an ability to create something that does not rely on conventional propulsion. There's long been some sort of an understanding of manipulation of gravity. In fact, there was an article... Some science journal from like 1957 that was talking about the new wave of gravity devices. They're going to start coming.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's going to be gravity planes and we're not going to use propulsion anymore. People have always wondered if we're eventually going to crack that. And if they did crack that, I think the problem is... I think a lot of these things are drones. And I think the problem is biological life can't survive those speeds.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think those things are moving at these insane rates of speed because there's nothing alive that's piloting them. And so that's why humans can survive. And that's why, you know, no humans can survive that kind of G-force. So there's no one in those things. It's probably alien species that also visit us. I don't think that's outside the realm of possibility either.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think all those things are happening. I think that one has been documented clearly throughout human history. There's been these experiences, and you've got to chalk some of them up to bullshit, lies, hysteria. But there's too many that are too similar. And I'm in the middle of Jacques Vallée's book. Have you read any of his stuff? I've read almost all of it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I'm in the middle of – it's called Dimensions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Apparently. I didn't know that when I picked this one up. But Dimensions is – one of the things that he does in the book is –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
he has eyewitness accounts of uh ufo events throughout history like going back into the 1700s right and they're like uniform they're fascinating and he also makes this argument that there's a cultural context as to what people see and that a lot of these people that live in ireland they see you know leprechauns and elves fairies fairies and and that
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It's quite possible this is not from another planet, that this is some sort of extra-dimensional experience, that these things come from somewhere that's here but not here, and that this is why they've existed forever, and this is why there's no evidence of them, and they come and go as they please, and they're probably a completely different type of thing than what we are, this bizarre carbon-based life form that we are.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
They're probably some parallel evolution system that took place somewhere else that's probably gone on a million years past where we are. Or that's just guessing. Who knows what it is? But there's something else to it. There's some sort of a spiritual element to it. It's not as simple as a metal ship comes from another place and lands here.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But I also think the metal ship coming from another place might be real too. If you just take into account the sheer vastness of the universe and the unbelievable possibilities of the variety of life, you would think there's got to be intelligent life.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if we do have some sort of super sophisticated drone technology that doesn't rely on conventional propulsion systems, which there's evidence of, okay, if you look at the Go Fast video, if you look at the FLIR video and David Fravor's experiences with the TikTok where they got video of that thing, they got radar of that thing. So we know something can move that way that fast. Something can.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
you would think that if if that's here and it is real and there's video footage of it so we know that a real phenomena took place so that means someone it either whether it's here or there's someone out where else can figure that out so now we know that can be done So if that could be done today in 2024, and back then it was 2004, which he encountered that.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Who knows if it's, you know, ours or from another planet or whatever the fuck it is. It was a thing that existed that an intelligent creature had created. It just makes sense that the sky is littered with that. Probably littered. There's probably millions and millions and millions of planets that have intelligent life on them. And a bunch of them probably are capable of interstellar travel.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And probably a bunch of them aren't even biological anymore. They're probably some sort of super sophisticated AI that ran amok and took over. A lot of possibilities there. A lot of possibilities, an infinite number of possibilities.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
But when the government wants to dismiss all of them as being explainable and nonsense, and it's the same people that dismissed the 100-biter laptop story, yeah, you should get nervous. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So it was probably like a Mylar balloon or something. with an LED light inside of it.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
We'll pause. We'll pause real quick. All right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Okay, the term immaculate conception is rarely searched on Google. Of course, searches for it skyrocketed today, and this is because of UAPs? So what did Grush say?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Interesting. Show more? Of course, searches for it skyrocketed, but there was one other time it was displayed in a large blip, June 2023. Just as modern UAP crash retrieval story broke, David Grush went public and hearings were planned.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So they removed that spike. So they pretend it doesn't exist anymore?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It is weird that it just jumped up one day and then stopped. But also people have like a fucking very quick news cycle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
You ever wonder if maybe they're fucking with you and they find out where you are and they send some drones over to this place, get them to start talking?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
So, yeah, it's just... Of course. Who knows what it is? But at least it's not behaving like something out of this world. It's not like the Phoenix Lights where you've got something that's a mile long flying over Phoenix and no one can figure out what it is. Right. Yeah. There's enough of these that make me think there's something going on. I don't think it's all bullshit.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I think some of it is ours, but I think a bunch of it's probably not ours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
Yeah, very improbable in a couple of years. But if they're doing it over decades, they're doing it with retrieved crashes, which seems to be a part of the narrative. Yeah. You know, Diana Pasolka and Gary Nolan, you're where they were. Of course. They call them the crash sites donations. Yeah. That's very interesting. It gets weird.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
It gets weird because there's a bunch of inventions they attribute to crashed retrievals where they back-engineered stuff. You know, I would imagine that if I was a super sophisticated society from another planet and I saw these struggling apes, I would give them some hints.
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#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
I just don't know what it is. Anybody who says they do know what it is, I get very suspicious. If they say, I have all the information, I'm like, how could you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
How could you? How do you absolutely know what it is? This whole thing is real weird. It's real weird. When fighter pilots recognize things that are behaving in a way that they've never seen before, that's real fucking weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
When you've got these guys like, you know, Grush is the best example, but there was another pilot, there was another jet that was with him, multiple witnesses that saw this thing physically. Whatever these things, Brian Graves, when they see these things, what are these? What's the explanation? It's got to be somebody's if it's a real thing. If it's ours, holy shit. What are they doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
And if it's not ours, holy shit. Is this another nation? And if it's not another nation, then holy shit. Are we getting visited by interdimensional beings or something from another planet? What's your take?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If they say that they don't have a program like that, then they're lying. If they have a program like that. If they have a program like that. So if they don't have a program like that, should they have to answer you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2211 - Michael Shellenberger
If I wanted to spread misinformation or disinformation, if I was an intelligence agent, I think I would get someone to be a whistleblower. I would sanction whistleblowers. I would tell them, go on podcasts, go on radio shows, go on television and discuss all these different disclosures. And you can't tell them everything. Your top secret stuff, you know, some stuff you got to keep secret.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Hopefully, you're honorable about it and you discover you're incorrect and you fix your error, but we have to be able to talk freely. There's nobody who knows what the facts are so that they can tell us which things we're allowed to talk about any more than there's somebody in a position to tell us which speech is tolerable. This is sacrosanct. And so we have to have an end to censorship.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The fourth pillar is that we have to return to a modality of truth-seeking. You can't have a system of universities or institutes or arms of the government that believe they have the right to lie to us for our own good. That leads to a very dark place. And so we have to replace that paternalistic anti-truth bent with a return to open truth-seeking. So that's the fourth one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Fifth one is an end to lawfare. We've seen the radical abuse of the courts. Much of it amounts to election interference. So it is breaking down another one of the fundamental elements of a democratic society. It is making it impossible to elect the people we would choose to elect. We're being steered away. in a way that is intolerable.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's never going to be perfect, but you need to be able to create a record of what took place that has been exposed to some kind of analytical standard so that you can correct your course. If you don't know what happened, you can't improve on your thought process going forward. And that's extremely dangerous. It's like flying with a blindfold.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And I would say the second component of our focus on lawfare is that we have to have elections that we can trust. Free and fair elections are obviously central to a democratic republic. And so that has to be enshrined in a way, in my personal opinion, this is not the opinion of the organizers of the event necessarily.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But in my personal opinion, this is a place where the various states all coming up with their own mechanisms for voting is a problem. And I think actually we have to have a national conversation about how to hold elections that are transparent and verifiable. That seems like a minimum requirement. I think I'm on the... That was six. That was six. So the seventh pillar is financial freedom.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So this is essentially about the danger of a central bank digital currency that we need to retain the capacity to be autonomous and we can't have tyranny inflicted on us through some sort of a social credit system system. that would be mediated through a central bank digital currency. There are two more, and these are out of order on the screen. Immigration industrial complex border policy.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We need a rational border policy Obviously open borders don't make any sense Immigration is something that we need to decide what the right level is. We need to decide how to bring in people who actually want to be Americans and only at the rate that the civilization in question can absorb them and they can be part of this great experiment and And then the last one is... Injustice.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No, that's lawfare. The last one is going to be... Where is it? Oh, development. Right, of course. The sovereignty of the family.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We can't have a civilization in which the government is telling you that because your child said something that they think means that they are genderqueer, that they need to have medications and surgeries inflicted on them, and that it's not your right as a parent to say no. So those are the eight pillars. I think if people think about
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Those eight pillars and realize actually there's nothing to disagree with there, that reasonable people would all agree to these things because they're not in any way radical and that a unity movement built around these things is exactly where they want to be in an era where there's so much insanity being presented to us as the only way forward.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
hopefully they will gather with us on the Capitol mall on September 29th and show themselves. And really, I think if you had, you know, half a million people show up, that will make a pretty unambiguous statement.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Uh, in 2020. Yeah. I, um, initiated what I called the Unity 2020 movement, which I actually announced on your show under a different name. It was called the Dark Horse Duo before it became Unity 2020. And I still think it was the right idea. It was elegant in its construction so that it neutralized things by virtue of the balance of the plan. That's not what we're faced with now.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But I do think, yeah, if I'm perfectly frank about it, I think unity was the right answer. It was the wrong moment for it to catch fire.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It was under false pretenses. What they said was that we had engaged in, what was their phrase? Something like inorganic behavior or inauthentic behavior, which was code for bots that they argued that we had used. We did an internal investigation to see if somebody had used them under our banner. It turned out there was no truth in it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's the same trick as sending people with a swastika flag to the trucker march so that you can claim that they're Nazis.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's organized. So... I don't know. I do think unity is the right message. I think this is exactly the moment at which people do come together because many people feel the jeopardy. I sincerely hope that what President Trump discovered when he brought Bobby Kennedy on board continues to grow in his mind because I think actually he has the potential to lead
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
a massive movement to restore the republic and make it function. And that would be, I think it would be wonderful for him. I think he would go down in history as Um, not the polarizing figure that people seem intent on turning him into, but, uh, he would go down in history as a galvanizing figure as really a refounder of the country.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I know that will be hard for many people who have thought ill of him to swallow, but, um, The I don't know what you think, but the joining of the Trump campaign and and Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi and Tulsi Tulsi, who is, in fact, coming to our event. I will say Tulsi is coming. Jimmy Dore, Russell Brand will be there. Oh, you know who's going to be there? Who? Bobby Kennedy.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Join the resistance dot org is where you find it. And. Oh. Laura Logan will be present. And there are some folks. So, by the way, Bobby says hello. There are some other folks that we are negotiating with to see if we can get them there. Some very big names. I wish I could tell you.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. But in any case, I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we make a strong showing. And the reason that it is important is because it will make it very difficult to sell the story that the enthusiasm simply drove Kamala Harris, who has yet to articulate anything like a vision into the White House. We need to make it clear, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If you worry that your vote doesn't count, your physical presence on the mall, the picture of Americans coming together across ideological divides and joining together in order to rescue the republic, I believe is the antidote to the cheating that we all fear.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let's put it this way. I think it's nonsense, but I understand how he ends up there. So let me just say, I saw that segment, of course, as you would imagine. I immediately reached out to him, and I said, Tucker, you've got it wrong. The evidence for Darwinian evolution, for adaptation, is overwhelming, and I would love to sit down with you and talk to you about why that is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And he said, I would love that. We haven't had a chance yet, but I do think it's important in... saying something about where that perspective is coming from and why it's incorrect, it is important to say, I really appreciate Tucker and his openness to hearing the counter argument says a lot about him. He was not the slightest bit defensive and in fact was eager to hear about Darwinism and
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I agree. And I must just say... You know, it's funny. I went on his show. He was the first person to reach out when things melted down in 2017 at Evergreen. And I thought him a villain at the time. But because nobody else had reached out from any mainstream platform, I felt like I had no choice but to.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
A lot of heat. But I also, it was a wake-up call because, you know, I was expecting him to treat me badly. I was expecting him to treat me as a liberal who got what he deserved. And instead, he was absolutely compassionate. And he didn't, there was no part of him that was taking a victory lap over some liberal who was faced with an angry...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, he's a great guy. Very nice guy. And, you know, he's just like obsessively in love with nature.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, we can't know, and it's important to get your comeuppance on these stories. You grow up comfortable that you understand what happened during the Red Scare, and then one day you're doing a little reading and you discover the story just isn't the one you were taught, and... The more stories you dig into, the more frequently that happens.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, yeah. Passionate. Yeah. Passionate outdoorsman. And anyway, I have a lot of affection for the guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, I spent a lot of time, you know, he's always being demonized as a white supremacist or something. And I got into the habit every time somebody said, oh, you know, Tucker's finally revealed himself. I would click through and see what the evidence was.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And it's just like, OK, the guy just said he wasn't for open borders. Right. It's just empty. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's almost beyond that because – I mean, look, I remember thinking –
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. He is our champion and we were led to believe that he was – A bad guy. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. And – It's good for all of us. Yeah. Well, the discovery. I want everybody to have the experience of having thought ill of somebody like Tucker or like Bobby Kennedy and then to discover in person that the rap is just wrong.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I've started when people don't know who I am and they ask.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, the problem is eventually they're going to run into it. So I've started saying, look, I'm happy to tell you what I do, but I should warn you I'm a terrible person who's come to believe unforgivable things. It kind of works because you hear somebody say that about themselves. It's like, well, okay, what doesn't add up here, right? But anyway, back to Tucker. Here's the problem.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think there's a lot of concern, especially on the right, about the story of Darwinism being incorrect. And to me, this is a slow motion train wreck. And I don't fault people for thinking that Darwin had it wrong because I think modern Darwinists have screwed up their job.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And in fact, they became advocates for Darwin in a way that prevented them from seeing that there was a major error in the version that they were presenting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The error is that the story, let's put it this way. Darwin existed at a moment where his ability to access what was taking place inside of biological creatures was just limited technologically. So there's a lot that he didn't know and it actually worked to his benefit. Because what he outlined was an extremely elegant idea.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
In fact, Richard Dawkins said it was the most powerful theory that anyone had ever come up with. And his defense for that I find very compelling. His defense was the power of a theory is that which it explains divided by that which it assumes. And the thing about Darwinism is it assumes almost nothing, essentially dissent with modification, and it explains essentially all of biology.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So by that rubric, it is just far and away the most powerful theory we've got. What he presented was an outline of how what I would call selection, just the non-random sorting of things, when it was coupled with heredity, produced adaptations.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
creatures being adapted to their environments by the process of selection where some things outdo other things, and heredity allows the characteristics that make some things outdo other things to accumulate. When DNA, so the order of events is Darwin outlines his hypothesis. Mendel, at the same time, is playing games with pea plants. And Mendel discovers the particulate inheritance.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
He discovers that if you... is careful about how he breeds the peas that he can actually identify traits as they move from parent to offspring in a way that suggests that it wasn't like swirling up a bunch of ice cream. It was like things that stayed independent that flowed through these breedings, right? Darwin didn't know about it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Mendel was working at the same time, but Darwin apparently did not know about what Mendel was doing. And so Darwin worked purely at the level of critters and their characteristics, and he knew that there had to be a way for hereditary information to be housed inside of them, but he knew nothing about how that worked. Mendel had the first piece of how it worked. It's particulate.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, but I mean, I have exactly the same reaction to that story. And I've been down that rabbit hole. And I think you're just ultimately left to the question. Something happened in 1963. That's before either of us were born. Right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
These things exist. We now know they exist on chromosomes in DNA form, but that took a long time to figure out. But at the point that we finally found out, Watson and Crick elucidate the structure of DNA. They say it hasn't escaped our notice that this provides a place for the information that Mendel had pointed to, that Darwin had implied, that that fits in the DNA, right? At that moment,
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Our vision of heredity narrowed radically because we had this description of how it is that information can live inside of a biological organism, be past parent to offspring, and be selected in a way that causes adaptation. That story is absolutely true. We know it to be true. And it's so powerful and elegant. that it caused biology to focus on it as if it was Darwin's mechanism, period, the end.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The error is that it's not Darwin's mechanism. It is a Darwinian mechanism. And the problem is, as powerful as it is, right, the story that they teach us, random mutations in protein coding genes are almost always bad. Every so often, there's a good one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Selection tends to accumulate the good ones, and the creatures and their special characteristics are all the results of all the collected good adaptations with all of the bad adaptations, or mutations, all of the good mutations collected and all of the bad mutations lost. That story is not, in my opinion, powerful enough to explain the amazing characteristics of creatures.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It explains some of them. It can explain, for example, how you get a pigment molecule. So a plant is green because it can't use green light. It's collecting other wavelengths of light. How can you get a molecule that happens to... collect certain wavelengths of light. That story that I just told you about mutations and protein coding genes can get you to a pigment, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No, and I don't think it can get you from a shrew to a bat.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. So you now have a problem, which is, A, you've got Darwinists and other biologists who have been backed into a corner and they've sworn up and down that mutations and protein coding genes, if you give it enough time and enough selective force, can do everything we see.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And because they know that the story they're telling is true in some regards, they just keep stretching it so it covers everything. I don't think it does cover everything. In fact, I've thought since I was in college that there was a missing layer. That there is a layer that explains how the amazing alterations in form that we see is produced by Darwinian processes.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That thing was either an anomaly that robbed the nation of a president and the nation continued to be a democratic republic in the aftermath of it, or that was interference with democracy and we don't know how to look at all of the seemingly democratic things that have happened since. How much of what has happened since are the people who took control with that
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Selection interacting with heredity. And I think we've just missed it. So just to take an analogy so this will be clearer to people. A computer, a modern computer, functions... based on binary, the flipping of switches that have exactly two states.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If you were to sit down with, I don't know, an AI or a sophisticated computer game, and I say, yep, that thing is programmed in binary to do these amazing things that you're seeing. There's a technical truth there, but you couldn't program a game like that in Binary. Nobody did. That's not how it happened. There's a layer that's missing.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's a layer called compilers and computer languages that allows a human being through a very regimented process to specify things such that the binary layer can do its job, right? The computer is binary, but there's a whole layer between binary and Halo 3 or whatever kids are playing. Right, right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I'm arguing there's another, there's another layer and it, I believe it does live in the DNA, but it is not protein coding genes, right? It is not limited in the same way. So what this does to a guy like Tucker is it leaves him debating between two camps and it happened. You had a Stephen Meyer on. Yeah. So I know Stephen Meyer really like him too. Um,
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Stephen Meyer is obviously a believer in intelligent design.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yep. Now, here's the other thing I know about Stephen Meyer, because I've had the good fortune to spend some time with him, to break bread, to talk to him about biology. He really loves biology, and he's good at thinking about it. He's passionate about it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
In fact, where I overlapped with him was at a little conference, and he brought swim goggles for anybody who wanted them because he wanted to go into the Mediterranean and go look at animals because it's cool, right? This guy's passionate. He's not a faker. So here's what I would say. He will not be surprised to hear me say, because I've said it directly to him, I don't think he's got it right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
He's looking for flaws in Darwinism because he thinks what will be revealed is a divine creator. I think there are flaws in Darwinism. I think they reveal the fact that we've missed a bunch of Darwinism. This is no obstacle to us being friends and sharing an appreciation for biology. But it does mean that in the end, we're betting on different outcomes of the experiment.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But we're both committed to finding those errors and figuring out what's there. Should I be troubled by the fact that he believes in a divine creator? Not really any more than I should be troubled by a biologist who's motivated by a desire to win a big prize.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think there's another way that information is stored in DNA that is not in triplet codons. And it allows, it's the equivalent of a either, you know, we have different kinds of computer languages. Not all of them are compiled. Some of them you can just write directly and tell the computer to operate. But it's the equivalent of a computer language that turbocharges the process of adaptation.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so the point about Stephen Meyer is he makes a number of different arguments about problems he spots with Darwinism. I don't think some of them really are problems, but there is one that strikes me as real. They call it the waiting time problem. And the basic point is, look, we can do the math.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
How much is them continuing to maintain control with a certain amount of democracy? And how much was that an aberration that then returned us to our normal course?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
on how much adaptation we see and there isn't enough time for you to get the adaptations that you're seeing given how much availability of time there was for those things to occur. So the point is that process that you're claiming made these creatures couldn't have done it in the amount of time you're claiming they were created.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Now, my point is that is actually, I think, likely true because there's this other process. Like if you had to write Halo 3, I don't even know if there is a Halo 3.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Okay. Thumbs up. If you had to write Halo 3 in binary, how long would it take you? It would take you a zillion years because… You know, it's binary. If you had to write it in, I don't know, C++, it might be doable on human timescales. So it's that kind of an error. So I think you've got... You've got Darwinists claiming that the story is more complete than it is.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
My bet is the thing that's missing is every bit as Darwinian as the part of the story that we already know. So I think to the extent that there's an error, the error is on biologists who thought too narrowly. It's not on Darwin. This is not a threat to what Darwin gave us. It's just... A belief that that Darwin was righter than we have yet recognized.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And in the end, I think that that's what people like Stephen Meyer will discover. And I would also point out from the perspective, you know, so if a guy like Tucker is listening to this and he's thinking, you know. The story in which we've got a creator makes more sense to me than the story in which some Darwinian process produces all of this biological diversity.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I would argue that ultimately you still don't escape Darwinism, right? Like imagine that this universe was created by somebody who had a plan. My claim would be... They used Darwinian evolution to make all the creatures. In fact, I would argue if this universe is one that has a creator, that it is an evolution simulator.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's the most useful thing it does is it figures out how creatures could be by using this process of selection.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Yeah. Somebody was interested. You know, I don't think there was a creator, but if there was a creator, I believe not only A, did they use selection and adaptation in order to make the creatures, but that's probably the reason they did the whole experiment, right? That's the most interesting thing it produces. And B, let's say, you know, let's just give the hypothesis it's due.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let's say that this was a environment created by some intentional being with the purpose of making critters using Darwinian evolution. Okay, so then, you know, you've heard Elon say, well, if it's possible to simulate universes, then there are bound to be vastly more simulated universes than there are real universes. So we're probably in one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Now, I don't really buy that analysis, but let's say that it's true. Okay, so you get outside of your simulated universe into what he calls base reality. Okay, now what? Right? Was that one created too? By whom, right? At some level, you're going to get far enough out that you have to invoke a natural process. And that natural process is going to involve something without a creator, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's no philosophical place. Even if we're inside something that was intentionally created, that something is inside something that wasn't. It has to be. You eventually get out to that layer. And at that point, you know, if there was a creator... You know, there was a creator, an intelligent designer of this cup, right? What designed that creator? Darwinian selection, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let's suppose that's not true. Let's suppose that the creator of that cup is inside a simulator made by another creator. What made that creator? Darwinian evolution. Well, let's suppose that's not true. You go one layer out.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going to have to surrender to the only thing anyone's ever come up with that could in principle create intelligent creatures. And it doesn't have a creator. It's a Darwinian process. All right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's a lot more to say to Tucker. I would say the number of places, you know, the genomes of the creatures that we have did not have to tell an elegant story of how they're related to each other, right? If a creator had designed them, he'd have no reason to make the phylogeny fit an evolutionary story that fit the paleobiology.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So the number of confirmations that we have gotten is extraordinary, and they're just not familiar. But anyway, there's a lot of power in the theory, and don't fault the myopia of any generation of scientists. The overall story is elegant and fascinating.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. You're not talking to me. What narrative is it in which Kamala has done something that might have caused a surge in her popularity? Like, I didn't see it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think the multiverse thing is nonsense. I think it's an accounting scheme for figuring out how to deal with the fact that actually the universe is not deterministic, which people wrestle with because we don't exactly know why it isn't. But to your point about how much can they cheat? I call that factor, which none of us can put a number on. Maybe they can.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I call it the cheat factor, right? The cheat margin. And one of the things that I'm trying to convince people of is that it's not hopeless because they can cheat, but it means that you have to succeed at a level that exceeds their capacity to erase it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And what we know – and I think actually we owe Trump a huge debt of gratitude for proving something that I couldn't have told you if it was true before he won the presidency, which is – Is there still enough democracy left in the system for something to upend the plan?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And he did become president. So, you know, he did something for us that I don't know anybody else who could have done it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. And he was already visibly degraded. But wow. Was it a precipitous decline?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Trump was fine. Yeah. Trump physically. And actually, I think he sounds better. I think, you know, he drives me crazy sometimes when he talks, but I think he's getting better at it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I mean, the funny thing, and I've been saying this forever, is that almost everybody agrees on the basics on abortion. We're supposed to not be able to even talk about it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But most people believe that abortion is negative, that if you've got a blastula, right, a clump of cells, doesn't yet have a nervous system, that you have the right to terminate that pregnancy. And that the farther you go through that pregnancy, the less right you have. And most people are incredibly queasy about it, I think, as they should be in the third trimester. And that's what we agree on.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so it's really the extremists on both sides that we are up against. But to the question of what Trump is doing with an issue like this, I want to make a couple of points. One, I think there are two issues that are getting tangled. One, I think he's politically going to some places that are not traditionally Republican because I don't even think I think he's destroyed the Republican Party.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I just don't see the same Republican Party I remember at all. I see a different thing and it's flying.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's a MAGA party. Right, exactly. And that's a very different thing because I see MAGA as mostly the labor faction that was cut loose by the Democrats and the Clinton administration. And so they've now found a home under MAGA.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Totally. And then Clinton turned the Democratic Party into a second corporate party so that those people were homeless. And then Trump picked them up as MAGA and they're now under the Republican banner. But it doesn't read like the Republican Party at all to me. And now it's picked up a, you know, I don't want to say technocratic. That's dismissive.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then what do we do? No, it's it's insane. And the hardest part, I'm sure you have these people in your life, too. But let's just take my parents for a second.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
My parents are good people. Lifelong Democrats. They live in L.A. surrounded by Hollywood types. They cannot seem to grasp the fact that the party that they believed in is now doing the inverse of everything they signed up for. Exactly. Because the New York Times rephrases everything. So it seems like the values are still there. Right. Which is wild. It's crazy.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And if you're not a New York Times reader, you can barely figure out what these people are talking about.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I'm not quite sure what to expect. Oh, yeah, of course.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, it's on the one hand completely predictable, right? Right. Because there's obviously an authoritarian force there that just grinds its teeth at night over the Constitution and the fact that it prevents it from doing things that it just wants to do last week, you know? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so, of course, they're like scratching their heads like, can we come up with an argument for why it might be time to get rid of that thing? And, of course, if you're a normal thinking person, this is complete insanity. If you're a New York Times reader, I'm sure that fits with the kind of ethos that's been cultivated.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I know. It's incredible that we are watching this. Insane. But I would remind you. They did pull this stuff when it was Mitt Romney, when it was George W. Bush, right? The rhetoric was still existential threat, right? And they always have particular versions of this, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I agree. And as I've been saying since the beginning of this electoral cycle, they fear Bobby Kennedy far more than they fear Trump because actually Trump gives them the only argument for their existence that is functional, right? They don't have an affirmative argument for why they should be in power. But being the alternative to Trump is – that's a pitch.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So we are now somewhere pretty interesting in the sense that I think – you know, to the faithful?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Good to see you, my friend. Oh, good to see you, man. Strange times we're living in. The strangest and getting stranger.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That argument still works. But to a larger and larger group of people, they're seeing right through it. They're understanding. First of all, we lived through four years of Trump, right? Right. There were good aspects. There were bad aspects. But, you know, it was not distinguished as some moment of, you know, total failure of our system or something. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You know, there were a lot of elements of it that were very positive. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Like what? And add to that, you're doing the things that you're accusing him of intending to do. Right. All this lawfare stuff. That's frightening. They're weaponizing the courts.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Not only that, but I don't think you have to really even squint at it to see that it's just simply unconstitutional to point the courts at particular people and not other people. We have a constitutional right to equal protection under the law. And obviously, they are setting a different standard for Trump because they want to keep him tied up in court.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Maybe they want to lock him up and put him in prison. But whatever they're doing...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And I think actually we are already living this nightmare in one way because what they did was loaded powers into the executive branch that were never supposed to be there. They created emperor-like discretion and they gave those powers to the president, I think believing – that they would never be in the hands of anybody that wasn't on their team, right? And I'm not talking red or blue.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I'm talking about inside versus outside. And one of the reasons that I think the reaction to Trump is what it was is that he was taking over an office that had been – given all of these exotic tools that he could in principle use against anybody. These are tools that are absolutely a violation of our Constitution, and yet they exist there.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so the need to prevent him from having access to those things was existential in their mind. And so anyway, the point is they created tools they never expected to be in the hands of someone else, and that is the situation, that's the scenario you're describing here as well.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I just don't think it makes any sense because if you take the multiverse literally... So let me back up a second. We have a principle that tells us more or less what is true called parsimony, right? We take the simplest explanation that accounts for what we observe, and we imagine it's true.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And there's a little imperfection in there, but if you had all the information, it would work, I think, perfectly. And then there's a flaw in how we apply it. The multiverse is analytically very simple, right? It's just one move. Oh, there are an infinite number of universes. Every moment, there are an infinite number of things that could happen, and a universe is created for each one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's very simple. I just said it in one sentence. On the other hand, at the practical level, it couldn't possibly be more wasteful and absurd, right? And the idea that there's going to be a different – there's going to be two universes. You're going to double the universe because I just moved my glasses and we need one universe in which I didn't and one universe in which I did.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then each of those universes is going to proliferate out from each universe. moment. This does not make any sense. So I think what it is, is this is just part of the process of discovery. If you imagine an infinite number of proliferating universes from each branching point, right? That accounts, that allows us to understand.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We could describe it that way, and it allows us to understand the universe as we observe it. Now, the question is, what's really going on that allows that to take place without the proliferation of universes? That's why I think it's wrong. It's the intermediate. It's the immature analytical point at which we have noticed that something is going on.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We know we need to explain it, and we haven't yet stood in the right place to explain it in a way that's actually efficient. So what we're doing is we're explaining it in a way that if you typed it out, it's one tweet.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, no. No? I mean, I don't think so, because it's not a different level. Let's just agree that the universe, the size of it is... impossible to actually comprehend.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so my feeling is anytime you've made the problem, the philosophical problem you had that we all admit is really, really difficult, infinitely worse, you probably made a wrong move.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's not – well, that's just because we're descendants of chimp-like ancestors and we have limited tools to bring to bear to this sort of thing. And it's exciting. Right. It's exciting. It's a good way to think of it. If you think of it as a temporary stand-in for whatever the answer is that's going to dawn on us at some point, it's fine. It's a good thought problem. But imagining that it's real –
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You know, you said, you know, maybe the problem is infinitely bigger than we thought. It's not infinitely bigger. It's the rate of growth of the problem is every instant needs multiple universes for the most trivial of modifications. I'm sorry. That just does not sound like nature to me.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But see, I actually think that one, I mean, I was waiting for that discovery for my whole life. And when I finally heard it was like, okay, now I understand why you've got this huge swirling thing. You've got this giant gravitational mass in the center that you can't see. Now it makes sense. So that was like a simplifying discovery.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I mean, A, we're a little bit safe here because by definition, there's no way of peering into those things. Right. For now. I think forever.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The problem is that there's a physical reason you can't for the same reason the light can't get out. There's no way to peer in.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So am I cool with the idea that maybe there's an equilibrium that, you know, a black hole where things once they're pulled in over that threshold, they never emerge again and that maybe they emerge somewhere else? Yeah, I could imagine parallel things that are entangled in this way.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That does not sound inherently like an insane cheat to me because what we have is a mystery staring us in the face in every one of those ultra massive black holes. What the hell is it?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes. Well, I'm trying to remember exactly what the story was, but there was a point where Ecuador was acting very courageously with respect to Julian Assange. And there was a question about whether the president of Ecuador could fly Assange out so that he could be outside of the embassy and inside of Ecuador proper.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, you're going to avoid the warranty, I'm pretty sure.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I would hide. I'm not sure about this. Really? So I want to just adjust a couple things you said.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Please do. So my perspective, you're absolutely right. It would be there's every reason to think there's lots of life in the universe.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And that life that attains a certain level of cognition will inevitably create technologies that break boundaries that it can't biologically break. So it'll traverse some distance across space. But the real question is, how many islands of life? What's the closest one? How traversable is the cosmos?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It may not be traversable at all at those scales, or it may be much more traversable than we know, and then it doesn't take very many islands of life to have somebody visit us. But as to your last point, I actually, well, first of all, Everybody, every thinking person I know is...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
pretty troubled by the present and you know a hostile alien force would freak everybody out but i a i can't see a reason why aliens would be hostile doesn't make sense to me they don't have to be hostile yeah just being there right but then if they were just there first of all we've been training for this right we all spend a lot of time on sci-fi stories sure aliens and All that stuff. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I think, actually, we wouldn't be impressed enough because we've seen really impressive stuff on screens again and again and again. If you actually heard that this stuff was going on, if the ship showed up in the sky and you could see it with your binoculars, I think the question is, well... Are they friendly? And what do they have to say? Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And I believe the reasoning was they couldn't do it because they expected the plane to be forced down. Same same issue.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I honestly don't think, you know, if I heard about it, I would think.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's a different world, but I still haven't seen anything that isn't best explained as PSYOP bullshit.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I mean, you know what my stock and trade is and my feeling is I'm perfectly open to the possibility that there are alien intelligences in the universe. I'm perfectly open to the possibility that they would stop by. But I'm going to need something like evidence that isn't better explained by terrestrial bullshit because, frankly, the terrestrial bullshit is guaranteed. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, but I don't even think it's – look, I think the fact – and I think we may have talked about this before. But the fact that these things are doing stuff that's beyond any terrestrial craft that we know of and they're silent – That's because they're not craft. They're projections of some kind.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so they're visually very compelling, but they do not disturb the atoms that they're passing through because they don't displace anything.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, man. I think that's people putting blips on other people's radar, and it's not the only place in history that that shows up, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And heck, if you had a – How would you do that? Well, these radars are all computerized.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And was there a trial that established that this was ill-gotten gain?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I mean, I do think you could fake it because you just have multiple attack vectors.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't know. Could be coming from space. Could be from an aircraft that's flying too high to see. Yeah. I don't know.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I'm not an expert in these technologies. I'm not claiming that I could do it. But what I'm saying is, A, you have a huge amount of classified technology. Just imagine for a second how useful it would be to be able to convince your enemy that you had aircraft in its airspace, that they were able to exceed limits, whatever. Sure.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Do you think we've worked on the ability to fool an enemy into believing that we have capacities that we don't have?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So given that those programs are essentially certain to exist, do you think anybody's ever going to have the idea that actually in this case it would be useful if some unassailable authorities were to have undeniable experiences that suggest X, Y, or Z? Somebody's going to come up with that idea.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I mean, I know you have. There are incredibly good magicians. Who will do stuff in front of you that, you know, you don't walk out of there thinking the laws of physics have been broken because you understand that magic is a genre where you walk in and you agree to suspend your disbelief enough to look through your eyes and register something as if it's violated a law of physics.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But we all know it's magic, right? David Blaine. Right. Exactly. An illusion. Yeah. Now imagine that you had... teams working on illusions who were going to do so in a context that you would have no concept that that's what had happened because you're so used to trusting what your eyes perceive, what your ears hear, all of those things. So all I'm saying is,
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The evidence that these things exist always hovers in the realm where a ruthless whatever could have faked it, right? Whether that has to do with an MKUltra intervention where somebody's been given drugs they don't know they've been given and they've been shown things that they are more open to because they were in a state in which they were in induced openness. That's a possibility.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Or a mixture of things. You see something. You've been brought into a state of openness. You accept it more than you think you have because you don't know that anybody tinkered with your wiring. I just am waiting to see a piece of evidence that really makes me go, huh, I don't think we could have done that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let me ask you a question. You've got alloys that are beyond known human technology, and you've got discussion of alloys that are beyond human technology. Which is it?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You would sift. Yeah. You would take truckloads and you would sift. 100%.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They're partying. They got here and they just, they don't know they're.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We have an alien problem across many different dimensions.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, but those fragments there appeared from where I'm sitting to look like they were made of pixels.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No, no. I'm kidding with you. I'm just saying we're looking at that thing as if we know that it's a fragment of metal and we're being told that it has properties that are unfamiliar. But what we have, the evidence you and I have, is pixels.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. So that's why, look, you know, I want a team of honest biologists to look at some space biology. That would settle this immediately. Yeah. Immediately. Immediately.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Just one. That's all it takes. We can settle this tomorrow.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That is incredibly compelling metallurgical narrative. If it's true. Transmitted by pixels.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And yet most of them make it from A to B. But these fucking UFOs.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, maybe we're not on their map. And so they're like.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's fun. Look, if it were possible to – Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I mean I agree. On the other hand, I probably – You know, why do I want to go to the Amazon? Right? I can see... Yeah, but you can go to the Amazon.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. There is a good reason to go to Mars. And the good reason to go to Mars is we're in jeopardy here. And... I don't think Mars is in any way a long-term plan for survival of people. But there are processes unfolding here in our solar system that put us in jeopardy potentially here on Earth. And having just at least an outpost of people somewhere else would not be a bad hedge against that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Micronova, which is actually a viable hypothesis. Apparently this is something that can happen. It doesn't necessarily destroy the star. You can have a burst of radiation that radically alters things down here.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. No, agreed. Mars is probably a little closer to the sun at one point in time in the past. It turns out that our solar system is dynamic and dangerous in a way that we don't really know because our study has happened in a period of calm.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, that's the thing. There's a hidden story for everything, and this is about incentivizing the world, and we in the public don't get to know the real story.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I mean, of course, there's an anthropic principle in play here as well, because the question is, are we here because we do have a moon to play the exact right role? You know, this planet has a lot a lot going for it. And one way to think about that is, wow, that can't be that's no accident or no, we're here to talk about it because those accidents happen to line up here.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. No, you're exactly right that the number of things that have to stack up before you get to the point that you're pondering why you're here is many.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And you have to not be going routinely extinct because they'll suddenly go haywire.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I mean, you know, I get it. It's not productive until you get pretty deep into thinking about, you know, abstract things as a way of finding what you're not doing right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So this is something Heather and I talk about frequently is that we have more or less an epidemic of people who are maybe smart, but they don't know the difference between a complex system and a complicated one. And so they take their complicated system thinking into complex systems.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
whether it's predictable. So, for example, your computer or your phone, you know, it's beyond your comprehension or my comprehension, but it is well understood how it works. There's nothing mysterious about the outputs, right? It's a system that all of the functionality is well understood. But a biological creature isn't anything like this.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so when you intervene, you know, when they give you a drug and they think they know what it's going to do, they're intervening in a system in which things are connected in ways that they've not yet discovered and they can't anticipate the cascading effects. So, you know, we keep getting upended by the sense of like, You know, oh, this thing is wrong with you.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, I coined this term, the Cartesian crisis. And the Cartesian crisis basically means the point at which you can't really be certain of anything. And the problem is, yes, I do think people are catching on to the fact that they never know the real story.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Here's a biochemical intervention that will adjust one parameter and put you back into health. No, almost never true, right? It is occasionally true if somebody is quite sick that you can push them back in the direction of homeostasis. You can rescue them. But the idea of improving health with an intervention is almost always the wrong approach, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You should be restoring the environment in which the body knows how to take care of itself because it is a complex system. Given the right inputs, given the right parameters, it has all of the processes necessary to keep it functioning. But if you think you're going to improve it by intervening, you're almost certain to do harm.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. But the question is, why do you have type one diabetes?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. But is it a you think our ancestors were walking around with type one diabetes?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, but then you would have a very low rate of that gene. So our ancestors.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think there is a massive disruption in all of the environments that we pass through in life that is causing a mismatch between what we are. But we are basically perpetual fishes out of water. And that process is making us unhealthy in every single regard. Heather and I call this hyper novelty.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And in fact, it's not even that we're just out of our environment in which we can be healthy, but the rate of change is so high that even to the extent that we are highly adaptable, we can't adapt fast enough to keep up. It's a pathology.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The flip side of this is if you did recognize exactly where you started, that you are actually a system that is complex beyond even the sense that you're an organism. I mean, you're multiple organisms at multiple different levels. Every single cell...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And your body is being fueled by mitochondria that started out at a different place on the evolutionary tree and got taken inside of cells to become powerhouses. That's a symbiosis. So you are a symbiosis in each of your cells.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But the response to that is either that you start believing the bullshit that they tell you, or that you just become cynical and stop believing anything. And neither of those are functional ways to exist.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Now, our whole medical standpoint is fundamentally flawed. And I'm really hoping that we will take the lesson of COVID seriously and we will recognize, in my opinion, allopathic medicine, standard Western medicine, is living on the gains of a tiny number of subfields.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The fact that a surgeon can put you back together after a car accident, that's something that we all know we want there for us if we need it. That surgeon's capacity to do that is, A, predicated on the ability of the body to repair itself. A surgeon can cut you open and go take out your spleen. But That surgeon is depending on the fact that your body knows how to heal the damage, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You can't go up to a car and slice it open and pull out the alternator and put in another one and have the car heal.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It doesn't work like that. So anyway, there are a few things in medicine. that are transcendently awesome, like the ability of a surgeon to fix you and the ability of an emergency room physician to stabilize you where your body is spiraling out of control. But those things result in a sense of the godlike powers of medicine. And most of the time, medicine is in danger of hurting you.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If it's not of the mindset that we should be minimizing intervention, we should be figuring out what the root cause of the pathology is. If we have to intervene, it should be a temporary intervention that pushes you back to the place where your body knows what to do. And then we should take our hands off, which is, of course, not profitably.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Exactly. They're good for the people who want to maintain power because it just keeps us back on our heels.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. The fact is this process, health, is far too important to be managed by market forces left to their own devices.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
100 percent. And so I'm hoping that medicine, having just gotten its comeuppance during covid, where, you know, almost every doctor ended up poisoning their patients with advice that turned out to be, you know. And themselves. And themselves.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, there was a paper recently, I haven't delved deeply into it, but that just says that the spike protein, which is obviously produced by the shots, is interacting with fibrin, which is a clot-producing protein. So it's not surprising that it's having these cascading effects. But, okay, so you had all these doctors who gave terrible advice to patients.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They assured them not only that this was the right thing to do, but that it was safe, which they should have known better because it couldn't possibly have been. And there's no course taught in medical school about... You know, repentance. How do these people repent for what they did so that they learn the lesson and it can't happen again?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And that's the thing people don't understand is at the point that you think you're striking a blow by checking out of their system, you're actually doing them a favor.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And the fact is the whole system is rigged around pharma and they can't.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, I will resist portraying it as a cold because I do think that ain't where we are.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I got something that was pretty rough. But let's put that aside for a second. Let's say that this is not a very severe disease. And by the way, I will just tell you at the risk of opening old controversies. It took me a long time to understand that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, they have broad applicability across RNA viruses. And many of the things that make us sick are RNA viruses, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So there is a strong argument to be made that in a world where we are now being exposed to all of these RNA viruses, that acting quickly and taking those things is a reasonable thing to do. Now, hydroxychloroquine may have more toxicity than ivermectin. In fact, it does. But ivermectin has such a low toxicity that from the point of view of not doing the damage to the body that comes from being
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
sick with these pathological agents, simply being reflexive about taking the stuff quickly is sensible. And of course, if what I just said is correct, you would expect pharma to look anywhere but there because they can't patent the stuff.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Or vaccine injuries? It has a benefit for vaccine injuries. We can just say that empirically. The people who have become successful at treating these things tell us this.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Things like brain fog, fatigue, neuropathy, these things. And I actually have several friends who report that they were suffering badly. I sent them to Pierre. He treated them. Ivermectin was core to the treatment. And they report, I don't want to say miraculous, but spectacular recovery.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't know. It has a number of different mechanisms. It's certainly an anti-inflammatory. There's only so far that explanation will take you, but I don't know. I can't answer that question. I understand. It really doesn't much matter. If you're sick and it makes you better, that's what you want. Right. You know what? Our understanding of how many medicines work.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think they're also being fed this story. Right. And we've seen that in multiple places. So, for example, you remember these long debates about, well, okay, yes, the mRNA shots do cause a certain amount of myocarditis, but not nearly as much as COVID.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, which is nonsense. And it turns out now that the myocarditis appears to have been vaccine induced myocarditis that was being just like everything else happened with COVID. It was a, I don't want to say an accounting error. It was cynical. They shoved things into the wrong category.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And apparently you don't get it from the virus. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And as I've pointed out in many different places, myocarditis is kind of a red herring anyway, because what it means is inflammation. And inflammation is there for a reason. There's an underlying pathology. And so the fact that we can detect that you have myocarditis means, well, okay, something's up with your heart. What is it? And the vaccines create damage in the heart.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They create damage because they get taken up by heart cells. Those heart cells produce
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So the way these shots were supposed to work is you have an mRNA transcript that is loaded into lipid nanoparticle. The lipid nanoparticles are injected. We were told that they stayed in the deltoid where they are injected. They do not. They circulate in the blood and lymph. Lipid nanoparticle.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Lipid nanoparticle. Lipid means fat. You may remember from high school chemistry that like dissolves like, so fats dissolve other fats. So you've got this thing encased in fat. Any cell it encounters is covered in fat. So it gets taken up by cells haphazardly around the body. Those cells take the message, the mRNA transcript, into the cytoplasm.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They translate it into protein, and that protein gets exported to the surface of the cell. This is how the manufacturer wants it to work. Now, if it happened in your arm, okay. But if it happens in your heart,
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
well, anywhere it happens, it will trigger your immune system to spot this antigen that it doesn't recognize, and T cells will come in and kill the cells that are making this foreign protein because in natural circumstances, any time a cell makes a foreign protein, It has the signature of a virally infected cell. A cell is producing self-antigens and foreign antigens.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's a virally infected cell. No matter what place in the body it exists, the right thing to do is to destroy it. So the immune system comes in, T cells destroy that cell, and that leaves you with a wound, right? You've lost cells that were doing something. Most of the tissues of the body can tolerate a certain amount of that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But in your heart, you can't tolerate very much because the heart has an extremely low capacity to repair itself. It scars instead, and it takes time to scar. You have a wound until it scars over. So those wounds are vulnerabilities.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If you're an athlete and you've got a wound in your heart that you don't know about, you could easily die because you have a weakened wall in the chambers of your heart and something breaches at the point that your blood pressure is high in the middle of some activity. So my point is, when we say myocarditis...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
we are effectively accepting a placeholder for there's an underlying pathology that we haven't found. And that pathology can be damage to the heart, which is very serious inherently. It compromises your lifetime capacity for your heart to function. And in the short term, it creates a substantial vulnerability to cardiac incidents.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, the aspiration issue, I believe, is a contributor, but I don't think it is the determinant. So in the case that, just to explain what you're getting at, when you inject somebody, pulling back on the plunger in the syringe allows you to see whether or not you have accidentally landed inside a vein. If you pull back and you see blood, the tip of the needle is at least partially in a vein.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And if you inject there, it doesn't go into the spaces between the cells in your muscle. It goes into your circulation. So that's a bad thing. If you Plunge the needle in, you pull back on the syringe and on the plunger and you see blood, then you should plunge in further so that you're no longer in that blood vessel.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
In fact, people were specifically told not to do it. And the rationale was... They did not want to create vaccine hesitancy by leaving the needle in the arm any longer than necessary. So they did end up doing a certain percentage of intravenous, accidental intravenous injections.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And that means that a globule of this stuff went immediately into the circulation, which meant that if it went to your heart and got picked up there, it might not just be a small number of cells. It might be a large number of cells. So that was a completely unnecessary level of harm. Aspirating the needle was the right thing to do, and they should have done it, and they didn't.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And who knows how many people have died because they got a big dose intravenously where it was supposed to be intramuscular.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, there is a question about what they injected him with. But yes, whatever happened on television.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, here's the problem. I don't know how dumb these people are. It seems to me let's just let's just play this out with sort of standard parameters. Inoculations cause a certain number of acute adverse reactions. These people wanted everyone injected. They didn't want us talking about injuries that were real, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They went out of their way to make sure that nothing caused anybody to have the sense that there was some problem with them. Do we really think they rolled the dice injecting an old man with an active shot on TV?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, the gaslighting of the injured is insane. Insane. Especially, you've asked people to do something. There's always adverse events. How is it that somebody who suffers an adverse event is not entitled to our compassion? I don't understand how you would turn vicious in that case.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Well, let me put it to you this way. I think it makes sense to establish a policy that I will not accept any medical product for which the manufacturer is not liable if it goes wrong. And that's not medical advice. That's legal advice.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, the fact is – If you understand how the market is supposed to do its magic, this doesn't work even in principle. Just simple evolutionary dynamics guarantee that corporations that are not responsible for the harm that they do will start making a profit by doing harm. Right. They will be outcompeted by other corporations who do if they don't.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So it is guaranteed that they will move in that direction, which is why I say you shouldn't take any product produced by an entity that is not liable for the harm that it does to you. It just doesn't make any any sense.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yep. Well, and the way they maintain that story is by ruthlessly punishing anybody who questions it, even though questioning it is the obvious thing to do. Because for one thing, elections used to be different, as you remember, right? First of all, you used to vote in person.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't think most people know. That little fact that you just mentioned that, in fact, they were granted immunity from liability because they said it was impossible to make safe vaccines.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, I believe it happened in the Reagan administration that they approached, they were reluctant to make vaccines. The Reagan administration wanted them to ratchet up production and they said, we can't, it can't be done safely. And they were granted this immunity and the system, the VAERS system was set up and a special court was set up to adjudicate cases and...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Tremendous amount of evil has flown from that fateful decision, including the proliferation of the childhood vaccine schedule.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. It's hard to imagine. And then when you start looking into the evidence, it's like, oh, my goodness.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And voting by mail was something you were very reluctant to do because you knew that if your vote got counted, it was going to be very late in the process. It wasn't really going to matter.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, you know. Heather and I wrote into our book in 2020 that vaccines were one of the three greatest medical inventions in history. You know, the other two being surgery and antibiotics. And I still believe that in principle, there is something potentially very medically valuable there. But in practice...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The way we produce these things, the way we manufacture them, the way the technology on which they are based has been modified, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The idea that we're going to produce a vaccine that is adjuvant based and we're not going to tell you that we're going to hyperactivate your immune system to get a weak shot to function and that that means that you're going to be in danger of creating a sensitivity to anything you encounter or eat during that period. Like, how are we not discussing that?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I mean, again, in 19, 19, in 2020, I was an enthusiast for this technology. Now I'm an enthusiast for what it says in the textbook about what this might be able to do, but I'm terrified of how it's actually being deployed. And I also now recognize, I believe I have a vaccine injury, my allergy to wheat has
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The only way it adds up is probably a flu shot caused me to become hypersensitive to something that was exposed to my immune system. Of course, wheat's in everything, so, you know, it's ever-present. My children, my older son has an allergy to dairy. A profound one. I think that's a vaccine injury.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Frankly, I don't know what percentage, you know, I have a friend who has an allergy, profound allergy to mold that's driven her from two homes. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right, exactly. It was for people who just simply couldn't vote in person and it never really mattered except in very rare cases. The disappearance of that and the normalization of voting by mail, the normalization of voting across a period of time so that you're not all voting on the same day.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No. No. I mean, I'm not going to say there weren't any.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The proliferation of allergy. Again, I don't want to say there wasn't any. But in many of these cases, things like Alzheimer's disease, we, of course, think, oh, these things are long standing. They've been there. Maybe there's been an increase in the amount.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But the degree to which many of these pathologies, including autism frankly, turns out to be something that erupts out of nowhere, suggesting a novel environmental cause of some kind. is profound. And mostly we don't know that because we don't do the legwork to go back and look at, well, where does this first show up? We think polio has always been with us. No, that's not true.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So we have a pattern that we in the public are not aware of. pathologies that are widespread that showed up out of nowhere, like obesity. And that suggests an environmental cause. We should become fascinated by what that cause might be because every new generation has people being maimed by these pathologies.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And if you can discover what the pathology is and you can eliminate the factor, how much misery do you erase? How much economic growth do you create right these are powerful ways in which we could improve our well-being and we just simply don't do it because all of us carry the vague notion that these things are long-standing but if you think about it
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Do you see animals in the wild being allergic in their environment?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes, they do. Right. And so anytime you see that pattern where it's like, yes, wild animals don't have that pathology, but domestic animals and people do, that's telling you something.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't know the statistics. I will tell you I read a jaw-dropping book. I mean, and this is – I keep having this experience where there are various stories that we all carry around that tell us something about the world we're living in and what to be afraid of. So for example – Spanish flu, right? Much of our fear of pandemics is based on the idea that Spanish flu erupted out of nowhere.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And the absence of exit polls, right, when everybody's voting from home or wherever, you can't detect fraud by virtue of the fact that the count that came in from that precinct didn't match what the exit pollers registered.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It killed young, healthy people. And you know what? It's not that long ago. It could happen again. Blah, blah, blah. It turns out that story isn't what we all think it is. There are two things about that story which are not commonly known.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
One is there was an enthusiasm for prescribing aspirin for people who came in with flu symptoms, and they were prescribed aspirin in doses that are now known to be deadly. So a lot of people drowned, basically their lungs filled with liquid because they were overdosed on aspirin. That's one thing. The other thing is bacterial pneumonia, which followed on the viral infection.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes, exactly. And so the question is, you know, would Spanish flu, if it emerged tomorrow, cause a pandemic that mattered? No, it wouldn't. But we all think, oh, goodness, it can happen because Spanish flu proves it. Same thing happened with my understanding of polio.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Do you know why? Why? Because I actually know, I think I know why based on the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung. There is a virus involved in polio. That virus is not normally serious. It's a gut virus, right? It causes slight gut pathology, goes away of its own accord. What appears to have happened that caused polio to be a terrifying, debilitating disease is metal toxicity, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So polio turns out has some weird quirks, right? It affects the nerves in the front of the spinal cord but not the back of the spinal cord, and it affects children and not adults. And the argument that is made in The Moth and the Iron Lung, I think quite compellingly, is that what's happening is the metals are causing that bacterium or the virus to leak out of the gut.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And it can grow in neurological tissues. And in a child, the gut is sitting right in front of the spinal cord. And so it is affecting the motor neurons but not the sensory neurons, which are on the back because of the physical proximity of the gut to the spinal cord. And that as you grow, those things separate, and so the susceptibility disappears.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't think we are wrong to imagine that we have lost the ability to check whether an election is fair and that that's not an accident, that that leaves the possibility open to cheat. And as you point out, they cheat in every other way. Are we supposed to believe that they won't do that because their patriotism is so deep? I don't see any patriotism to them at all.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But it's the metal toxicity that is taking a toll. non-serious pathogen and causing it to be serious, which makes for a very confusing story because you actually do have a pathogen and you can actually prevent the pathogen with a vaccine, but the root cause is the metal toxicity that is causing things to leak out of the gut and touch the spinal cord.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, actually, that's what the book, The Moth and the Iron Lung, amazingly tracks the history of this, where in fact you had a you had a problem where the moths, the silk moths, were not robust to predation. And so entomologists were looking for something to hybridize the silk moths with that would be resistant to things like jays eating them as caterpillars.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And this one entomologist had gypsy moths from Europe in his possession that he was trying to breed with silk moths, an experiment that was doomed to failure. But nonetheless, one day he had them bred.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
sitting on his kitchen window and a wind blew and blew them into his garden and he knew he tried to recover them and he couldn't find them all and so he knew that he had a problem he tried to alert people locally hey we've got a local gypsy moth problem which is bad because gypsy moths devastate vegetation And in any case, they were unable to control the infestation.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, right. If you had understood what was going to follow from this, that would have been a it would not have been an overreaction. Right. Right. But nonetheless, what you have is something like an epidemic of polio. That's not really an epidemic of polio. You have an epidemic of gypsy moths that are being sprayed for with these toxic pesticides. Right. It's a crazy, crazy story.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But the upshot is. We all carry around stories like polio is a terrifying disease. It debilitated people. We have a vaccine that ended that horror. Therefore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not the story. The story is we actually have an epidemic of stupidity about industrial toxins. And in this case, they interface with a story about a vaccine and a pathogen.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But the story isn't the one we think. Right. It's a very strange set of interactions. But once you start digging into these stories and you realize that all of them are, you know, we've been told some fairy tale that leads us to a conclusion that just isn't right. Then you have to start rethinking things. But of course, as you discover these things, people decide you're a crank.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And then at the same time, we're dealing with a set of restrictions in the northeast over eastern equine encephalitis.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I know. Yes. So let's look at all the components here. One, I've seen spraying like that in person before. I've seen it in Panama in the Canal Zone. Now, the Canal Zone is malaria-free. I don't know what the cost... I mean, people live in the Canal Zone. Americans lived there while the canal was in our possession in large numbers.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I do think that the spraying kept the Anopheles mosquitoes to a low enough number that malaria did not exist in the Canal Zone. What the cost of that was, I also can't say. My guess is the cost of that was very high, but not well measured. The idea that we are now, A, why is it we are dealing with a simultaneous panic over eastern equine encephalitis and West Nile virus?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, that is a very odd coincidence. One thing that's true is... So the last panic was over COVID. And the response to COVID was massive vaccination with the mRNA shots, as you know. The mRNA shots, for anybody who got two or more, triggered the production of something called IgG4, which I don't know if we've talked about it before.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But IgG4 is the immune system's own message to itself to turn itself down. Okay.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's just empiric. I don't know whether anybody expected this result, but when it was pursued, that was just the number at which we could detect the presence of ITG4. So not with one. Not with one. I'm not saying there wasn't any with one, but we don't detect it with one shot. And then two produces some effect, and the more shots you get, the bigger the effect.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Does that explain why disease itself appears to have changed in the last year or two? Why are people so sick during the summer? Do you remember even five years ago?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There were summer colds. People remarked on them because it was weird when you got sick during the summer. Right. I got a summer cold. But people weren't sick with lots of different things during the summer. In general, you were, you know, fine during the summer. And then when you got sick, when it was, you know, cold out and you were driven indoors and that was just the pattern. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So something's going on that people are much more susceptible. And it just so happens that we've watched a pattern where people have been multiply injected with something that we know turns their immune system down. Why are we not asking the question if the reason that we may have a problem with West Nile virus and Eastern equine encephalitis is the result of a self-inflicted wound, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We should at least be asking that question. Instead, we are still recommending that goddamn COVID shot.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, I got to say, as soon as we get to Fauci, I just don't believe anything. I don't know. I'm agnostic as to whether or not the dude took any shots, whether he's... I don't know what's going on because there's so much garbage surrounding that guy and what he thinks and what he did that I just can't accept any of it at face value. But here's what I don't understand.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let's look at the Eastern equine encephalitis issue. They are now considering curfews, right? They're going to start eroding civil liberties over the presence of this disease. One person has died.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. If you read up on it, it turns out the average year, there are seven diagnosed cases of this. So it's not like this is a disease that never shows up and suddenly there's one case and people are freaking out. There's apparently an annual rate of this. We have an annual rate that even if it's more, this does not suggest the possibility of a massive disease spread. And if it did...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We're still giving people a shot that causes their immune systems to turn down. So can we at least stop doing that before we start panicking over new diseases? Because it sure looks like we are creating vulnerability to new diseases over here, recommending mRNA shots that people don't need. And then we are, you know, having lockdowns.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Ig means immunoglobulin. That's a synonym for antibody. IgG is a major class of antibody. There are something like five major classes. And then IgG4 is a subclass that turns the immune system down.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, and we just went through this with them over covid.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes. And it's alarming. I mean, it's alarming for multiple reasons. I wasn't, I was really unsure what to think about this when it first occurred to me. But the more I think about it, the more alarmed I am. COVID, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID, appears to have emerged from laboratory work that was dual use. Dual use work means bioweapons research.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The excuse, so it's called dual use because you're only allowed to do bioweapons research if it's also research that might contribute to public health. So the excuse is, oh, we're working, you know, what do they tell us?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We know that when they think they're in the right, they feel entitled to lie about everything. They feel entitled to coerce.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They said, well, the gain-of-function research is so that we can create pathogens and learn what to do about them before they find themselves out of nature and we don't know what to do, right? This is a nonsense story. It's not... It is not coherent to think that by creating some pathogen in a laboratory that you're going to learn something about pathogens that might leap out of nature.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
For one thing, pathogens leaping out of nature is a difficult thing for them to do. They have to do two tricks, and it's not easy. They have to infect a person. Some pathogens will do that. But then before that person dies or gets better, they have to jump from one person to the next. Very, very few are ever going to jump that gap. So it's not a big risk.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then if you've created a pathogen of your own, you're going to learn about what to do about that pathogen. But it's not broadly applicable. And you can see we had research on coronaviruses being done in the Wuhan Institute, being done in North Carolina. How much help did it give us? What did we learn from that research that protected us from COVID? And the answer is nothing.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Because it's inconceivable that you would. So they're using the excuse of public health to do this weapons research. But here's the punchline of the story. The vaccines are also the product of bioweapons research because they include the spike protein, which was the innovation that made the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 into an infectious human pathogen, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So the idea that we're supposed to imagine that our elections are somehow different to them. I can't imagine how that would even work.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The addition of a fern cleavage site to spike protein made this thing capable of infecting and spreading between humans. that spike protein was the core of the mRNA shots. Get two or more of those shots, now you create IgG4, and the more of the shots you have, the more you produce.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I am not aware of that literature, but notice the following problem. That IgG4 signal to turn down the immune system is now connected to the presence of spike protein. At a bioengineering level, it is trivial to add spike protein to something else. Bioweapons researchers have a problem. If you create... First of all, they have two problems.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
One of them is there aren't that many weaponizable human pathogens, right? So they're sort of bored with the fact that they've got a small number of these things and they've played around with them and they're not happy. They need something else. So there's also a vast number in nature that you could in principle weaponize, but most of them can infect a human.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So they engage in this hocus pocus stuff where they take stuff that doesn't infect a human and they turn it into something that infects a human. And of course, the risk that it will escape is very, very large. And the risk that we will learn anything useful is very, very small. But nonetheless, they play this game. And
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If they create something that is a frightening weapon that could in principle in their warped minds be used for something useful. The question is, how can you deliver a biological weapon that harms your enemies without harming your population? You have to separate those two populations in some way. The obvious way to do it is to inoculate your population so that they have an immunity.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The enemy population doesn't have an immunity, right? Mind you, this is all wildly immoral. But if you think like a weapons maker, this makes some kind of sense. But this is not the only way.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's where the IgG4 thing really throws me because what they seem to have, in the best case, accidentally done is created a vulnerability in the populations that took the mRNA shots that does not exist in populations that didn't. And any time a pathogen shows up with spike, it is likely to trigger the immune system to stand down, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's something that a weapons maker might dream of doing to its enemy. The Chinese did not inoculate their population with mRNA-based shots, and they did not inoculate them with spike-based shots.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Other stuff, more standard vaccine stuff, antigens delivered. I mean, not effective, but doesn't create this effect as far as we know.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No, Novavax is another new technology. I don't know very much about it, but the Sinovacs is what the Chinese used, and it was a much more standard, apparently not very effective shot. But nonetheless... And the creation of a vulnerability in one population that the other population doesn't have, we can imagine that that was an accident. Let's hope it was an accident.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But it does appear to be something that they have created. And the fact that weapons makers seem to have created this with their diabolical research ought to give us pause.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, look, I do not know how crazy these people are, and I don't really know who they work for. It is obvious that something beyond what most of us would imagine is true because somehow our dual-use researchers were collaborating with Chinese military-associated researchers. That's surprising, isn't it?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Certainly military-affiliated. But the head of the Wuhan Institute laboratory in question, Xi Zhengli, was trained by Ralph Baric, right? So this is a partnership on dual-use research. That doesn't seem to make any sense given what we all think we understand about where the tensions are, who are the allies and who are the antagonists on the world stage.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They didn't have a solution, and they didn't allow the one process that would quickly generate a solution to function. Doctors treating patients based on what walks through their office door, right? But to my way of thinking, they already knew what worked. Ivermectin worked on SARS-1. SARS-1 is an RNA virus. This stuff works generally across RNA viruses.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It would have rendered COVID tragic in the sense that we don't need another human pathogen circulating, but totally manageable in almost everybody's case.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The amazing thing is even in the studies that claimed that they proved it didn't work, it does work. If you look at the data they collected, it reflects that it works, even though these experiments were set up to fail. They dosed late. They underdosed. They were done in places where the control group was likely to have ivermectin circulating at a fairly high rate.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So there's all sorts of tricks that were used. But even in those cases, it still worked. But the answer, I would say, is no. at least in the case of ivermectin. It's a little different with hydroxychloroquine. But with ivermectin, the stuff is...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So low harm that treating immediately is the way to go because, you know, the difference in its efficacy between day one and day two and day two and day three, those jumps are substantial. So there's no reason not to give it immediately. And I guess the question is why? We saw all of the skullduggery around portraying ivermectin as dangerous, portraying it as ineffective.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So we know that they just lied through their teeth. We also know that they knew that it was essentially certain to work. So why'd they do that? And, you know, there's a, I don't know how bad the answer is, but the answer is at least that they wanted the pandemic, the so-called pandemic, right? They redefined pandemic in order that this would qualify. But the so-called pandemic would be
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
significant enough to get everybody to engage in the same kinds of behaviors, to accept them, right? I don't know. The problem, we're stuck in the same place we always are, which is if we just simply navigate this logically, we end up in some pretty dark places with respect to what they might have been up to.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, it's a huge number of people. We can detect that statistically. The trouble is that it's hard in any individual case to know whether or not you're looking at something that would have happened anyway. Right. So you remember John Ritter? Yes. From Three's Company. Sure. Died of a- I worked with him. Ruptured. Oh, you did?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Why were the weapons makers lying about the utility of drugs that rendered this novel pathogen minor?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
First place I heard that hypothesis was Heather. I believed it. I've come to believe that it's actually not that, that their ability to cheat in the American system at least is so great that that obstacle would not have prevented them from deploying their shots.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Good guy? Yeah, I got that impression. Anyway, he died of a ruptured aorta, if I remember correctly, long before there was COVID vaccines.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think it's, yeah, it's logical enough. There's truth in it. They, you know, having a viable preventative for SARS-CoV-2 in theory should have prevented an EUA. But I don't think that that was an obstacle they couldn't have overcome. I think the problem was their real goal. Was to normalize the use of a gene therapy on a population that had never had that idea placed in its mind.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so they called it a vaccine. That was one thing. But they also needed the disease to be frightening enough that people would accept something radical in order to get through it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And had doctors been enabled to just simply do what doctors are supposed to do, they would have discovered that there were treatments, inexpensive ones, one of them extremely safe, the other one comparatively safe, that were highly efficacious. They would have discovered... the connection to vitamin D, all of these things. And that would have meant two things.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
One, it would have meant that the degree to which the mRNA platform got normalized would have been much reduced, and it also would have created a massive control group, people who didn't take the shots, which would make the harms that much less obvious.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I suspect the reason I say that one hundred billion dollars isn't a lot of money when it obviously is a lot of money is that it's not a lot of money compared to what was at stake in their minds, which is the mRNA platform, which can be used to reformulate every vaccine they've got to create a bunch of new vaccines. This we're talking about a.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So the point is, if that had happened last year- Right. We'd all be saying, come on.
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trillion dollar invention that could not be brought to market normally because it's way too dangerous. And the emergency made it possible not only to bring it to market, but to get everybody or nearly everybody on board with it. And I don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes. I do think there is something remarkable about the early days of the so-called pandemic, where
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Doctors were primed for the horror of this disease so that they were already in the mindset of radical interventions, which meant that they did a lot of harm with things like ventilators that didn't need to be done. They killed a lot of people because they thought they were rescuing them. The EUA story is good enough.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
He's in Hollywood, he got faxed, and now look at him. Yep. So it happens. One hundred percent. Right. But the rate at which it's happening has changed radically. And the very people who say, oh, that's not the vaccine are very uninterested in figuring out what it is. So, you know, let's put two and two together.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It more or less explains it, but I don't think it obscures the bigger picture, which is that the mRNA platform itself is the ultimate cash cow that couldn't be brought to market under anything but the most extraordinary emergency circumstances. And so they took a virus that shouldn't have existed in humans at all and wasn't that terrifying.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
when it was released into the population, and they turned it into something frightening enough that people would contemplate things that they ordinarily would have rejected.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Because so much, I mean, I'm not arguing that the EUA wasn't important. I think it was important. I just don't think it was necessary for them to, they could have overcome that obstacle the way they overcame many others.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And normalizing it, getting people to accept the idea that they were going to take an mRNA shot. Right. That was a big leap. And so the EUA was important. And we know that because of the shenanigans around. They ultimately did get a shot that they said was the same, not emergency use authorized. But I'm now forgetting the term when the FDA actually there's another term.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's not authorized, but it's a synonym. But anyway, they did get approved. They did get one approved and you couldn't get it. They kept giving the one that had the EUA. They did that for legal reasons. It gave them a layer of immunity. Right. They had been given the license to deliver an experimental drug.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then they got approval for a non-experimental drug and they kept giving the experimental one even though they said they were the same thing. There's something very deep there around the legal status of that emergency use authorized pharmaceutical.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes, I think we got in their way. I think we outed them. But to your earlier question about did they know how much harm, if they didn't, they'd be behaving differently now. Notice how it's not slowing them down. Right. They're still recommending these things for six month old. What? On what planet would you do that? We now have... And pregnant women. And pregnant women. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We now have a novel pathogen that presumably... These kids are going to be faced with encounters repeatedly for the rest of their lives, and you want to mess with their immunity six months into life? You have no idea whether you are making it impossible for them to develop some proper immunity so they can fend this thing off for all of the encounters for the rest of their life.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You're like creating a consumer at the expense of a child, and it's insane. And I will tell you, I've just found out that there is sort of a next chapter on this mRNA stuff, which I don't know if you've paid any attention. Have you noticed what's going on in Japan?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So there's a new version. Apparently, when the mRNA platform that we got was settled upon, there were some competing platforms that didn't make it. And those competing platforms are beginning to make their debut. And in Japan, there are currently protests over what's called a self-replicating mRNA vaccine. I think they call it a replicon.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so notice that the whole mRNA platform was really about doing away with the vaccine factory by turning you into a vaccine factory, right? Your cells became the vaccine factory. And there are reasons that a pharmaceutical company, especially an amoral one, would prefer that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So remember, one of the things that was done to make the mRNA vaccines that we got work was the mRNA transcript was stabilized with pseudouridine. All of the uracils that would ordinarily have been in that message were replaced by something chemically similar that is sometimes seen in nature. But the more of them you have, the more stable the molecule is.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So when they told us the mRNA molecules were short-lived, we didn't have to worry about this shot because the mRNAs weren't going to last very long in our bodies, right? They would disappear. That was a lie. They had hyperstabilized these things. They've now given a Nobel Prize for the hyperstabilization process.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They wanted to give a prize for the vaccines, and so they gave it for this narrow thing. I would argue maybe it's the worst design flaw in the entire thing. And that's saying something because there are a substantial number of design flaws. But these self-replicating mRNAs, the competing platform, borrows some machinery from something called an alpha virus.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And that alpha virus, basically they take the genome of an alpha virus and they include the gene for the antigen that they want your body to develop an immunity to. But they include it along with some genes for proteins that allow the RNA to – basically copy itself, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So now, instead of taking a molecule of mRNA and putting it in lipid nanoparticle and making it hyperstable so it keeps making new messages, what they're going to do is they're going to allow the mRNA to duplicate itself biologically inside of you, right? Now, this is madness, right? right? They are running a radical experiment, a new one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The mRNA platform was a radical experiment to begin with, self-replicating. That's a whole new level of radical. And they are considering, I think they have gotten permission to deliver this stuff in Japan this fall, right? So this is If these people did not understand the damage that they were going to do, it would have given them pause.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They would have looked at all of the harm, all of the people who died who didn't need to, all of the people suffering from compromised immunity, and they would have thought, holy shit, what did we miss? But that's not what they think. This is business as usual for them. It's clearly business as usual.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think it's a bad paradigm. You know, I definitely want those rare pharmaceuticals that actually do more good than harm.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Jesus Christ. Yeah. Now, let me, that's going to sound crazy to people, but let me defend it for a second. Okay. When you have a pathology that's widespread enough for a company to make a medication to do something about it, you are dealing with a failure of the environment in which the creature lives. Our focus should be on that. It should be on what's in our food that we're not expecting.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Seed oils, for example. A lot of us spent our lives not noticing that seed oils weren't what they appeared to be and that they actually have a role to play in the creation of disease. It's not vegetable oil. Vegetable oil, avocado oil is vegetable oil.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Exactly. It's a fatty fruit oil. Perfect. So the point is that one makes sense because a plant does not want you eating its seed, right? So it puts toxins in the seed. The oil from avocados comes from the flesh, which is there to induce birds to take the seed various places. So the point is it's designed as a food. So anyway, there's something wrong with the environment.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The profitable thing to do is not to fix the environment. It's to create a remedy or something that masquerades as a remedy. And the number of harms that are being done to people is just compounding. So my feeling is the paradigm is wrong. I want the antibiotic to prevent the gangrene, right? We've cured gangrene. People don't lose their arms anymore because they got a wound. That's good.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's too much money involved. Right. There's too much money involved, and it becomes impossible to override this narrative. The narrative takes on a reality of its own, even though it is contradicted by the facts. And our scientific tools, they're We're tremendously powerful at discovering patterns like this. It's not difficult to do.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's a pharmaceutical that's worth having. We should treat it with respect. We should not deliver the stuff where it doesn't belong. But by and large... The pharmaceuticals we have are creating their own demand.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Sometimes they're being given because somebody has engineered a parameter that causes a doctor, you know, statins are being delivered because of, you know, a metric that suggests to somebody that you have ill health in some way that can be remedied by these things. It was nonsense to begin with. So, yeah, I think the cost we pay is huge and that the market is going to find,
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
plausible stories that cause people to be willing to take drugs and that mostly you know health It starts in the kitchen. That's something that doctors I respect have pointed out, that this is about what you're consuming. It's about the environment that you live in.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's about understanding that sunlight is an important contributor to health and that the way we live means that you're probably deficient in vitamin D. It's about all of those things. And the amount of good that could be done just by simply recognizing the environmental component is huge.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's up with him, but it's... Something not good. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I hate to say this, but he's either a cold-hearted liar or... the most profoundly un-self-aware person that has ever existed. I mean, it's stunning.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And yet we deliberately avoid using them in the ways that they were intended.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, that goes back to what I was getting at. Everything I saw suggested they wanted it to be as terrifying as possible.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes. I really believe you're talking in the end about, I think— many hundreds of billions is unrealistically low. We're talking about an industry that has been playing this game without our knowledge, right? How do you demonize competing drugs? How do you make your pharmaceutical look safe when it isn't? How do you make it look effective when it isn't, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's the game every day of the week for these people. And they found the ultimate version of that game in the mRNA platform. Which they wanted to normalize and they needed an emergency to do it. That's the most parsimonious explanation for everything we experienced. And, you know, it's playing God with people's lives.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes, and even those distinctions, I think, are quaint. We are now watching... the fusion of corporate power and governmental power. That is the definition of fascism. We're seeing the breakdown of individual and national sovereignty, right? What the hell is the Five Eyes? Why are the intelligence apparatus of these countries conspiring against the citizens of these countries?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
All of the categories that we grew up with are an obstacle to seeing what's actually functioning as our antagonist here. It doesn't have a name. It doesn't have a national boundary. It's clearly targeting the civil liberties that make the West possible. And we're going to have to level up quickly if we are actually going to survive this.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, let's leave this terrestrial, okay? There are some space weather stuff I'm pretty concerned about that we really need to have our governmental shit in order to deal with. But I'm concerned that we are facing...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
the last opportunity to wield the power that remains in our constitution in order to preserve the west i really believe the west is at stake in this election and i know that everybody will laugh and they will say ah everybody always says this is the last opportunity this time it's really dire but i truly believe the republic is in serious jeopardy.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I believe that however it happened, the blue team has become hostile to all of the fundamental values that allow the republic to function. And that undergird the West. And when I say the West, I'm not talking about a set of countries. I'm not talking about a geographic description. I'm talking about an agreement not to rig the world in favor of your people. An agreement.
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on a level playing field in which people are rewarded for creating wealth from which we all benefit. That system is incredibly dynamic and powerful. It increases human well-being at a rate that no other competing system has ever come close to. And it is very strong in one way. Its capacity to generate wealth is incredible. but it is vulnerable.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The reason that our founding documents have the strange form that they do, the reason that the founders of the U.S. carved out all of these counterintuitive rights are that in order to stabilize that system, you needed to have an industrial strength document that prevented all sorts of threats from getting anywhere near the core of that system. So
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think the worst case scenario is the next election, November, we don't beat the cheat margin. The blue team remains in power and it dismantles the remaining protections of our civil liberties and the basis of our freedom.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, you know, you saw it, right? That thing you put up from the New York Times. The idea is, look, at some level, we've got the First Amendment, which is already in tremendous peril, right? We've got Brazil turning off X, as you pointed out, threatening to ruin anybody who uses a VPN to circumvent their block. You've got Pavel Durov, who has been effectively taken hostage in France.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You have people in Britain being arrested for... speaking freely. And the US is actually, in some ways, the last holdout. Why are we the last holdout? Because our First Amendment is spelled out in very clear terms, and it's difficult to get around it. And You know, you and I lived through an era of terrible censorship, but it had to be cryptic. Here you showed the New York Times, was it?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, although I'm sure you're having the same experience where lots of stuff that you learned as a clear narrative like the Red Scare took over people and it was like a witch hunt. And the answer is actually more nuanced than that. There was more truth to it than I was taught. Right. The Rosenbergs really were guilty of passing secrets to the Russians.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Experimenting with how to phrase the argument for unhooking the Constitution so that people would get used to the idea that that was being done for them. Right? It's dangerous. It's dangerous.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But here's the, I mean, let's flip the topic on its head, right?
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The founders of the U.S. enshrined counterintuitive rights, right? These were brilliant men, and they enshrined counterintuitive rights because they understood a thing or two about tyranny because they had faced it. They knew that There was no way to eliminate bad speech without eliminating necessary speech. So they said, you know what? You can't do it. There is lots of bad speech. Live with it.
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You know why? Because there's really uncomfortable stuff that needs to be said that you don't want anyone to have the power to eliminate, right? That's counterintuitive. Everybody, every child understands people shouldn't be allowed to say bad stuff. Right? Maybe that's appropriate in a kindergarten classroom.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But it's not appropriate in a civilization where we have to figure out what's good and what's bad. Right.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Nobody has the position from which to say which speech has no value. So that's off limits. But here's the frightening part. It's even frightening to raise this point. That First Amendment is where it is for a reason. It's the fundamental right to all of these. They placed the Second Amendment in the backup position. So what I'm telling you is I am concerned that we are
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You can hear our civil liberties creaking. You can hear that document threatening to give way. You can hear the enemies of it experimenting with explaining what they're doing and why they're really the ones who are looking out for your best interests. All of these maniacs are going to make violence inevitable. We have to avoid that. We absolutely have to avoid that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So I don't know if this is the moment to talk about what's brewing over the course of the next month.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
All right. So several of us are organizing an event. I don't really want to call it an event because although it's technically an event, I think it's much more important than that. But we're going to hold an event on the Capitol Mall on September 29th. It's going to be between the Washington Monument and the World War II Memorial. That event is called Rescue the Republic.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And it is really about rescuing the Republic in order to save the West. This is... an attempt to gather the unity movement that is forming at this moment. Here you can see some of the characters who will be joining us on the mall. And here's the pitch I would make. There are transcendent moments in culture. There are moments at which something shifts.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Woodstock was a music festival, but it was obviously more than a music festival. It was a defining moment for a generation. I think there's a lot that's unfortunate about what that generation has done. And in fact, I believe they've put us in the jeopardy that we're in now. And that in some ways, what we're struggling to do is get past their vision.
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The event that we are holding on the Capitol Mall on September 29th is really an attempt to bookend that era, to end it, and to start a new era in which, as Bobby Kennedy said, we love our children more than we hate each other.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So, you know, it's a mixed story. Right. You asked the question, though, if in the future we're going to have a different conversation about what's taking place. And I just want to put a little placeholder there. The answer kind of depends if there is a future. And I worry a lot.
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And that allows us to come together and recognize each other as allies to fend off this force that is obviously targeting our civil liberties, our freedom, the very foundations of our system. So what we've done is we've outlined eight pillars. There are things which...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I think almost every member of your audience, really any patriot, anybody who understands the value of the West would resonate with. These are just fundamentals, and we can go through them in a second if you want. But the idea is we're going to get as many people as we can together on the Capitol Mall. And my point would be it could be 50,000 people. That's not enough.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If you want to prevent the other side from being able to cheat its way to victory, there needs to be a massive showing of support for this unity coalition that is emerging. This unity coalition is not MAGA. It contains MAGA. MAGA is part of that coalition. We saw that begin to happen where President Trump brought on Bobby Kennedy when Bobby Kennedy stepped out of the race, right?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That was the moment at which the idea of unity began to catalyze. And the question is, all right, well, how many of us are there? So gathering on the Capitol Mall is going to allow us to show just how many of us there are and how serious we are about restoring the republic and returning to the foundational principles.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, you should be able to recognize them by the swastikas that they're carrying, the fact that they're inciting violence. Do you think that's going to happen? Well, let's put it this way. The first of the pillars of the Rescue the Republic event is war is always the last resort. And I would broaden that a little bit just so that it's very clear to people who are listening to this.
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And I realize you're an MMA guy, so I got to be careful here. Non-consensual violence is always the last resort. If you want to gather with somebody else and fight with them under some agreement, that's fine.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, yeah. Believe me, I want to leave plenty of room for that. If I say violence is the last resort, I don't want anybody to be confused about what that means. But the point is, look, violence is the last resort, and this gathering is the attempt to avoid that happening. The people who are eroding our rights are making it inevitable.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We want to head them off at the pass, and we want to proclaim what it is that we stand for. And the first thing that we stand for is that war is always the last result. This is not a pacifist movement. Right. In fact, I've been. All right. Do you remember learning in school?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That not only are we headed into chaos, but that we are going to be denied the ability to have a proper historical account of the present, that we're never going to understand what these stories were doing, why they played out the way they did, why people disappeared when they did. And that that's not healthy. You need to be able to create a record.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
that this country, this bastion of freedom was forged by patriots who fought off tyrants, who beat the odds and created this country. Do you remember learning that Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty must periodically be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants? So this idea that tyranny is a profound problem is written in our DNA as a nation.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Those who are cynically dismantling the nation are putting us in that jeopardy. And what I'm afraid that people will do is they will, with some justification, say to themselves, you know what? I'm not sure how much my vote counts. I'm not sure what we can do. I'm expecting them to cheat. And then they're going to cross their fingers.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And we're going to end up with a result that people are going to have a hard time accepting. This is the alternative. If you don't know if your vote counts, you know what does count? If you show up in a large group that makes it very clear that there are lots of us who are intent on keeping our rights. So the first of our – oh, go ahead. First of our pillars, war is always the last resort –
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Second is that we have to recodify informed consent. So the medical freedom movement is part and parcel of what we are. And I know that that's an issue that is profoundly important. I'm concerned that the... The medical freedom movement was taking shape, and then events happened that caused it to get swamped.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The fact that the Trump campaign was uninterested in talking about the problems of Project Warp Speed dropped that issue to a low priority, and we are going to reprioritize it. The third of our pillars is that we have to repel censorship, propaganda, and information control. We have a right to have a public square, to have a discussion. You have a right to be incorrect.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So those people, the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries, they're probably living the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, the Native Americans were essentially Stone Age.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I didn't know that. Well, it's a lot of propaganda that really works, and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter. So you have to look at it from, like, what really happened? Was there real outrage when he took over Twitter? Yes, yes, there was real outrage. I firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done in a very directed manner.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well. And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed like hate speech on X, hate speech.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yes, that anti-Semitism, that racism, that all this stuff is up. Well, if you allow people to just speak freely, you're going to have that. You're going to have that. But you can always, like, not look at that. Yeah. But you're also going to have many more good things, too.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And the point was what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these –
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Documents found that, hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And Elon confirmed this. So that's when he became very dangerous to them. And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being – But then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit. And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And all that, they attack and it builds up and you get a distorted perception of his value in our culture, in our society. And he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known. One of the greatest... engineers we have alive, and he's involved in multiple different industries, and he's changing those multiple industries in incredible ways.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
What they've done with space travel, with SpaceX, where these fucking rockets can land now, what they've done with these Starlink things that we were talking about. If it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars, do you really think there'd be as many electric cars as there are today? It wouldn't even be close.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035 because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that. There's a documentary from... Early 2000s. It's called who killed the electric car.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I saw that in college fascinating Yeah, fascinating documentary and if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome You wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies and he makes everything open source.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
To align with their worldview. It's what I was talking about with Hollywood when I was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's going to go away. you also realize there are consequences like what you experienced. So those are real financial. So that's it. And so minor, right?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So that is how you get people to stay in line. That's how you get people to only think the way they think. And then you start reinforcing it in yourself and you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you. You want them to think you're one of them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You just thought it was cool that the guy said you have a cool treehouse. He's, like, one of the coolest guys ever.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is the world we're living in. That's why. And it's primarily the left that's that wacky. Like if Bernie Sanders had said, cool treehouse, and you retweeted that, everybody would have loved you. You would have been fine. And the right wouldn't have attacked you.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They wouldn't have cared. They wouldn't have been upset. You wouldn't have lost businesses. No one from the right would have not given you a book deal because Bernie said, nice treehouse. And you're like, thanks.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. So they want to keep the monkey population manageable? Is that the idea?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information. They have surface information. And they've decided that you're an alt-right this. Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right-wing person, which I'm not at all.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But if they say it enough times, the people that have low information, they believe it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And also like real charitable organizations, like real ones, like what you're doing. It's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help. It's not designed as some sort of a front to cover money and as a tax shelter. There's a lot of philanthropy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, a lot of it, a lot of it. But then there's also a lot of philanthropy that's not really philanthropy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's money. Sure. You're making money with this philanthropy. You've got economic.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right. But it's like monkeys are too closely related to us. This is one thing that I've noticed. People that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing or don't get upset about a piece of fish. Like if you put a plate of salmon, you know, like, oh, this is my lunch today. Everybody's like, oh, that's healthy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Those barefoot hiking boots are legit. The ones they make, they're legit.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And it's such an innocuous thing you did. It's so funny, but that's like wrong think, wrong speak. You're not allowed to like this guy. Well, that's the thing. Who am I allowed to like? None of it makes any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
People are just so polarized. And it's also, you often have to realize that the pressure that they're under is not from that many people. It's like the commenters on Instagram. Unfortunately, the reality is most people comment on things all the time are morons and they're not happy. They're unhappy morons. So it's a bad sample group, right?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments. But people, if they're commenting, I would like to know what percentage of comments, and just overall, if the internet, if anybody's ever done this analysis, are positive versus negative. I would have to say it's probably at least 50-50.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. But if you have a picture of a salmon, people get a little upset. But if you have like a steak, people don't get too upset. But if you have like a dead deer, people get very upset.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, if you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to. But this polarization is just like there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like, yeah, you're one of the good guys.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people. And that's a lot of what it is. It's a lot of people that lack nuance and understanding. But don't you think it's coming back?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are. They're very damaged human beings. Like the people that attack people all the time, they're all fucked up. All of them, 100%. Why would you, you only have so much energy in your day. Why, why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation said nice treehouse.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's fucking ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing to get angry about.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's a complicated issue. It's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins. They're very close to going under all the time. And you can get cheap, unskilled labor from young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs. And that's how they operate.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And when you say, no, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works, they're like, okay, now this is a lot less money.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
When people don't attach themselves to the ideas. That's the problem. It's almost every man that I know has a hard time. Women do it, too. But for men, it's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time deciding. not being attached to an idea. Like if they have espoused an idea, if they believe an idea and they're arguing that idea, that idea is a part of them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And they'll even lie and fuck around with things and like half truths to try to make their point, make a little, you know, they'll do bad faith arguments. You see it on podcasts all the time where people make bad faith arguments about political issues. You're like, oh God.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Now I'm never going to listen to you again because I know you do this thing that's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now. Like you don't have to do that gross thing you do where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument. That's a stupid person's way of talking.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, also, it's like, you're not your ideas. I say this all the time, but it's a really important thing for people to recognize. And to people, have it in your head. You are not your ideas. You are you. Mm-hmm. And these ideas, they come and they go, and you agree with them or you disagree with them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And sometimes you're going to agree with an idea, and then a few years later you're going to have some life experiences or talk to some people that will make you look at things differently and go, you know what? I used to think this, but I don't think this anymore, and here's why. And you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And then you can be – like so many people are captured by – the way they want people to think of them. This is a very Hollywood thing. They want people to think of them in a very specific way, so they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted, and they'll talk in a certain way. That's where you get accents from. That's also where you get up talk.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know what uptalk is? So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you had to kind of talk like that. So you let them, oh, Paul is a really good guy. So what Paul is doing is quite amazing. Paul goes to the Amazon, and he's in the rainforest.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I can't watch Valley Girl. But this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team. It's a very tribal thing. It's almost like another language. And these tribal things that we do, we attach them to everything. We attach them to religion. We attach them to technology, even health. We attach them to ideologies. And if you don't...
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
If I can't trust you, if you're retweeting Elon Musk, don't you know he's the devil? If you're hanging out with Joe Rogan, oh my God, he's a piece of shit. These people have these little... religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork. You can't violate this. It's Sunday, motherfucker. Why are the lights on? They have these weird laws in their head. They attach them to everything, man.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
People have like a place in their mind for religion. And if you do not have religion in your life, you will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor, the same fucking fever pitch that people treat religion, that people who are evangelical Christians, the people who are fucking snake handlers, you'll do that with your thing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is, no oil now, whatever your fucking thing is.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
a religion because you don't have religion and the human mind is set up in a way that you need some sort of divine structure you need something that's bigger than logic bigger than all of us and people will apply those things wherever they see fit you can join a cult and that's a whole different thing oh we're different we do yoga and this is our life yeah we all fuck each other I mean but then there's casualties like then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars. Fuck the Oscars. Kevin Hart wanted to do the Oscars. Those things are gross. And what they are is you're having a contest for art, and I think that's gross. I get it that it helps your movie sell if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner, and I get that people are celebrated for great work. I get all that. It's awesome.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I get it's a sellout, but it's also gross. And when it was revealed to be gross was when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him. And then a few minutes later, Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of everybody. It just shows you there's no ethical, moral structure to the way these people are living their lives.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, it's also they're afraid of being racist. Two black guys are duking it out. I can't get involved in this. This is not my thing. I don't know what to do. I'm gay. They're just sitting there watching this take place. And then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award. And so the rest of the world, unbeknownst to them, had already cast their judgment.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The rest of the world was like, are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah. This is insane. And so they're like, oh my God, the rest of the world think we're out of our fucking mind.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's no one who grabbed him immediately and escorted him out of the building.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He did great. but not really. No? No, no, no. Chris Rock? Right after that, he was all fucked up. Like, his jokes, they were flat. Everybody was like, you just got slapped. Like, this is crazy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
As a professional, he did that. But he went back on with the script, which is just insane. But the good thing about that is then Chris Rock really became Chris Rock again. He didn't give a fuck anymore. He's like, once you slap me on TV, I'm going off. So he became Chris Rock from Bring the Pain again. But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He was in the club. He was hosting the Oscars, doing these big movies.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, once they got him, they beat the fuck out of him. I'm sure they broke his arm. I'm pretty sure he's had multiple injuries.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He had a knife. I mean, he was a crazy homeless person. Terrible lapse in security. Who are the security guys? They got fired. Yeah. And the whole thing was a fucking mess.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, well, people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're so delusional about where your food comes from. It's a fascinating thing. And vegans are probably the worst at it because if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They broke it. They probably Kimura'd him and snapped his arm.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They beat the shit out of him. He's lucky he's alive, you know?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, I mean, he didn't have the knife in his hand, but he had a knife on him. Like some big fucking knife.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, it's terrifying. It's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind. And it's, again, the same kind of thing. He's transphobic. He's transphobic. Jokes are transphobia. Words are violence.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Did you listen to his special? Right. They didn't listen. That's the thing. No one's listening. They're not listening to me. They're not listening to Elon. They're not listening. They have these things, and they're just like religious dogma. And they lock down on those things. Dave Chappelle's a transphobe. We've got to take him out. Dave Chappelle's a living saint. Yeah, he's a beautiful person.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He's untouchable. Amazing person. But he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture, and that's a real thing in our culture. And if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing's bullshit. If there's ever a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing is bullshit.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The thing is comedy is comedy. And to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous because it's not your opinions. It's things that are funny about these things. Like when someone's saying something about anything that's inappropriate, you should never say that. That's Louis C.K. 's whole act is saying the wrong thing. You're not supposed to say that. So he's going to say it. And it's hilarious.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But it's also really well written and funny. This is not like if you sat him down and asked him his opinion on people and life, he would give you a different version. This is just an art form. It's just like a movie. Like you go to a Quentin Tarantino movie, none of those people really died. Okay? This is just art. It's just like something's creating something.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil and... How many small animals get murdered in the process?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, people are realizing that you don't have to give in to this. You don't have to listen. Because it's a small, very vocal minority of people, but most people are tired of it. Most people miss old, you don't get a good comedy movie anymore. You don't get super bad anymore. They can't make that movie anymore. Tropic Thunder.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I mean, we fucked ourselves. We fucked ourselves by listening to these mental patients.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He's sort of like... He's the only one. He's sort of like grandfathered in.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like 10 minutes of the movie. Car chase. Steve McQueen?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and anything that's in the way, anything that's going to eat your crops.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Look at, look at fucking Anthony Hopkins. The best. How does he live this? How's that even possible? Cause they just tear you apart. Look at his face.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is so ridiculous. That bear is, like, barely chasing him. Go, like, halfway down this video. Oh, he's got the fire out.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't need to see this. I'm going to have a different opinion of it. I'm going to get angry.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, that's based on a guy who really did get, he crawled like 20 miles.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Cold water just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold cold stream I was just like you know that incident didn't really take place in that environment though the actual incident took place on the plains it wasn't the same environment as They just rainforest they just put it up there put him in I think they filmed it See if they filmed the revenant in BC I think they filmed it in in the like the rainforest of BC You know BC is a lot like Seattle
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, I think they filmed it in, like, a dense forested area. And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right. So, but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada. Think it's BC because it just is way more dense than the Great Plains. It's not what the great It's not what they experienced with this guy crawled.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's like he's crawling across the fucking plains Like this guy got torn apart by a bear and crawl actually initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada Although the weather was ultimately too warm so they had to go to Argentina where there was snow to shoot the ending That's the ending what about the other stuff in the woods like when they get attacked by the Native Americans I
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I thought that was in BC. Either way, whatever it is, it's like very dense forest, which is not... Not historically accurate. No. You got to do a little bit of that. Do you? Do you? It's about the plains.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Okay, so the Kananaskis country and the spectacular scenery of Bow Valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary, Alberta. Fucking beautiful up there, man. Yeah, so that's not the real environment where that really went down.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, and they get attacked by the plains Indians, and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there. There was bears out there, dude. That's what's nuts. We killed them off. California has a bear, and it's a state flag. It's a big old brown bear.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, they fucking killed all of them. They're like, get the fuck out of here.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California. It's called Levesque. Nice. I think his name was Steven Levesque. The last guy that got killed by a brown bear. I'm like, that's it. We're done.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Reddit has become like much more... Reddit is very left wing and Reddit has become very censored. Like things get pulled down off of Reddit. No, I'm saying... But 4chan is still buck wild.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
4chan. Yeah, 4chan is where like... All that QAnon craziness came from. There's a lot of nutty people out there. That's where the political frogs, those frogs, Pepe the Frog that they use for memes. It's all like internet culture, shit posters. People that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things and there's no censorship.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but I'm saying, but what I want is, I want the God's Google.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think Werner Herzog destroyed that audio, which is unfortunate.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But also, his mind was like... It's kind of funny, right? Because his mind was like, this would be too damaging. It's too bad. You don't want to hear it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Sustainable is one of those words like organic. People like to throw it around.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right, but your whole film... It's about how fucking stupid it is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze in a tent surrounded by bears. Then it's inevitable that one of them is going to eat him.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's like, what the fuck did you just do? The whole thing. He was so nutty and he was such a crazy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I mean, that's like that appeal stuff. They call that organic. You know what that is?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. Like you can just, you don't even have to have lived there a long time. You just hang out with them long enough. They'll, they'll hang out with you.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You would have to feed those little fuckers, and they'd want to kill things all the time.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, it would be like having a coyote for a pet. Yeah. I would imagine. But they're really clever. They're really clever.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it organic.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They're in Manhattan. I don't believe that. It's 100% true. Really? Yeah. Yeah. In Central Park.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Multiple coyote sightings. They've had them in the Bronx. Coyotes are in every city in North America.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, man, they're all over the country. They're all over the country. And that's basically in the last hundred years. I think less than that. I think it's like from the 1950s on, they've spread across the entire country. There's a great book called Coyote America.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
from going bad the wax well it's some weird what's the ingredients of a peel so like part of it is quote unquote organic but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are a peel is a plant based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer seems normal right like yeah it's plant based but what's in there
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I'm dying to read it. Coyote's been seen in Central Park and other parts of New York City since the 1930s.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The number of sightings has increased in recent years, especially in 2019. Yeah. Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable. They're the craziest. They adapt and they expand their range. So whenever you kill one, the females have more pups and they expand their range.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's crazy. Have you seen the jaguar sightings in Arizona?
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Oh, so all the different animals that are drinking in there.
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Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So that's an interesting one.
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I entertain the sloth one because there's so many of these people in these deep, dense jungles in the Amazon that claim that they've seen them.
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It's commonly found in organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water. Like we were reading that if you have an avocado, so we were in elk camp and we were reading about this stuff because we had Starlink. Starlink is fucking amazing. That's how we do it. Dude, it's like the size of this cigar box. I know.
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Well, listen, brother, I'm glad you're out there. It makes life more interesting.
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I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate you and thank you for coming in here. It's a lot of fun. Tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to.
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And you put it down on the ground, and you get fucking high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere. So we were reading that they were saying that to take it off of avocados, you dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off. What are you talking about? What's in this stuff? Also, nobody knows that. I don't know that. Right. So I come up here, I'm eating that shit.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Exactly. Most people are just going to eat the apple. They're not going to wash it off with soap and water. But the thing is, they're saying it's plant-based and organic. That's the thing. Sustainable. These words that people use that make you feel okay about what's going on. But I don't even know what the fuck is in there.
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You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show. He did it in the Amazon.
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Click on that, how to wash, remove, appeal coating, vegetable coating. Let's see if we can watch a video. It'll show us how to do it.
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Uh, let's go with the first one. That lady, she's, so she's peeling it.
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We'll see the next slide. Wax and peel. So this is different though. This is wax. Yeah. This is, uh, that's cartonuba wax. That's like normal. But a peel is a new product. And it's one of those, yeah, okay, let's see what this lady has to talk. Let's talk about a peel. I don't like her earrings. But let's listen to her.
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Yeah, why would there be human trials on something that people eat and it's all over supermarkets?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. Well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller, who was on yesterday, he was talking about it, you know, in front of all these representatives. And they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada. There's a lot of ingredients, particularly dyes, that we use. Yeah.
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He was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, you can't sell it in Canada. They have to sell completely different Lucky Charms in Canada because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes because they're toxic.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. Those are toxic dyes, and we allow them. Because we want people to, and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive. Those are in our food supplies, and some of them are illegal in other countries. It's not good. And there's, it seems like, the way he was describing it, it's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed.
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And they, you know, and then there's companies that are just pushing this stuff through. And it's kind of like, the way we described it yesterday, it's like a hoarder's house. Like, how do you clean this up? Like, you get into a hoarder's house, you're like, oh, God. Where do we fucking start? That's what our food system is like. Our food system is like a hoarder's house.
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Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's mostly... It's fucking cake.
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It's bullshit. We have bullshit food. And, you know, I don't eat most of that stuff. But if you do, you're going to be really unhealthy. And most people aren't educated. You know, it took me a long time to understand this stuff. And mostly, I mean, I tried to eat healthy before that.
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But mostly through the podcast and talking to people, getting an understanding of how bad this stuff really is for you. And then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt. And seeing my friends who don't do it. They just look like hell.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
hell and you're mostly carnivore now yeah yeah mostly fruits and mostly meat and fruits yeah I mean I hardly eat any vegetables at all but I don't avoid them like if I want if I go out to dinner and I want to have a Caesar salad or something I'll eat it it doesn't seem to bother me but what does seem to bother me is pasta pasta and breads really hit home they really wreck me but not in Europe
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Went to Italy last summer, had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all. There's a bunch of things that we do. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained a lot of it. So did Gary Brekka. He explained a lot of it. One of them is enriched flour, what's so-called enriched flour. It contains a bunch of chemicals like folic acid and a bunch of shit your body has a hard time digesting.
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It's also they use heirloom wheat in Italy, and heirloom wheat is the original wheat. What we did was we changed wheat to make higher yield so that a smaller piece of land, you can get more wheat out of it. So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.
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And then on top of that, the big one may be – there's a lot of speculation about this, but there's some serious evidence that most people – who eat the common American diet, what was the number of the people that had Roundup in their system? So glyphosate.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, glyphosate is a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants. I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system. Roundup.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Exactly. And it's illegal in some countries and should be illegal in America. But the problem is if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies going to function? Okay, it's 80%. That's 87% of children. 87% of children. So this is 2022. I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine. That is so crazy. Crazy. That's so dangerous.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And it's also fairly new in terms of human history. I mean, I think Roundup has only been around since the, is it the 90s? When did Roundup, when did glyphosate start becoming ubiquitous on crops? It's fucking dangerous, man, because we're rolling the dice. A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening. So 74, Roundup, which contains active ingredients, glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74. So scroll down so we can see when it ramps up. So 74, okay, wasn't widely used until 96. That's what I read.
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So Monsanto began selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup. This allowed farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crops. It's an herbicide, right? Yeah, okay. Not a pesticide, an herbicide. But it's fucking terrible for you. Terrible. And 80% of people have it in their blood.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington. George Washington's dentures were made out of lead. And that's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho.
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I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find. Most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles. You have plastic in your brain. And a lot of that plastic is the plastic that's derived from PVC. So it's coming from water pipes. I thought our water pipes were metal.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Some water pipes are metal, but when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes. A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff. So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic. And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
All that stuff is getting you plastic. And then there's cooking in microwave. If you have one of those things you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave with that and it's in a plastic bowl, that's all fucking getting into your body. That's all getting in your blood.
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Obviously, they make stuff for campers that you can get, you know, and that's why we switched these steel cups here. We used to just go through so many bottles of water. I was like, this is fucked. So we bought a filtration system and, you know, and started using steel cups. But it's like our...
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This whole thing in America, one of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is Robert Kennedy Jr. and a bunch of other folks that are involved in this. And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health and they are concerned about... All the different chemicals that are in your fucking food.
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But the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology. So people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people.
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Yeah, it's nuts, man. But it's just because it's attached to Trump. It's because the Trump administration, you know, make America great again and also make America healthy again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that. So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo-woo bullshit. And it's not. It's fucking dangerous for all of us. We really need to wake up.
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All these things can be solved. This is what's fucked. It's like we have so much money to solve other countries' problems and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems. That's very strange. It's very short-sighted and very bizarre. And we need to do something about it. We need to do something about it now.
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It's really scary when you think that if this unchecked happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable. As long as they're not penalized for it. And I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are, they probably don't eat any of that shit.
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People, you go to restaurants, you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation. The kid's just like hypnotized by some fucking cartoon.
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Yeah, they try to do it to magazines. You ever see little kids try to do that?
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I think I almost did that once. I think I looked at a magazine, and I brought my hand up and went, what the fuck are you doing?
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It's cool to be able to do it, but now we're also inundated with images. all over the world, and a lot of them are horrific events, which is the things that people are trying to capture the most. So it's like every day, what's going on today? Right now, Iran is bombing Israel. So there's missiles. Do you know about this? Nope. It's fucking terrifying, dude. It's on like Donkey Kong right now.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
See if you can get some of the footage. Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel. And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well. So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel. Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies and killed a bunch of people and then...
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shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon, and it's all getting very, very scary. It's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way. But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, Israel's famous missile defense system, it doesn't seem to be catching all of them. I mean, if you have enough launched your way at the same time, some of them are going to sneak through.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. These are all missiles, man, flying everywhere. At Israel. Jeez. Yeah, it's fucking terrifying.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yes. So this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So when they blow up, that's the Iron Dome. So what it is is they find the trajectory of these missiles. The ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through because it's not going to harm anything. And then those, those are hitting down. But the ones that are going into the city area, they shoot down.
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And, you know, I don't know how... many missiles they have to do this. I mean, you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby. Because if they just launch enough at you, you're not going to have enough missiles.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Wow. You imagine being in a city, you see 180 missiles coming at you.
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Human beings are very adaptable, unfortunately. Well, fortunately, because that's why we're still here. But unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions. And that's what people are accustomed to. I mean, imagine living in Gaza. Imagine that. You were living in a place where literally a year ago today, it was fine. It was normal. And then now it's rubble.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right. You didn't see it on your phone 24-7 all day long.
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So it says Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported. So I guess that was the thing that we're saying, that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that. A U.S.
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defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel. So we're over there, too, doing that? The IDF is doing and will do everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel. The Israeli military said in a statement warning people in the country to stay in shelters. The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time. So what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this. Which is really scary. You know, it's like what they experienced on October 7th. Okay, fucking ads. At least eight dead and suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv. So they even, oh, so Jesus Christ.
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Let's scroll down to that image. So some dude's just gunning people down. Scroll up. The deadly ordeal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in the central Israeli city of Jaffa and started firing at just 7 p.m. local, just after 7 p.m. local time, according to authorities. Eight killed, at least seven wounded. And, you know, a lot of people, look at that guy's dead right there.
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A lot of people there are armed too, which is fucking crazy.
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Have you ever seen hot girls in Israel? Like, you can see them at a coffee shop with a fucking... No. With an AR hanging off a rifle sling. Yeah. There's, like, a bunch of videos of them. Because so many of these people... You have mandatory military service in Israel.
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So all the civilians have to... There's no civilians. Like, everyone is at least a former soldier.
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Yeah, you have to be. If I saw shit like that in the skies... These hot girls walking down the street with machine guns... Hot girls with machine guns. How nuts. But that's just the world they live in. And they're just hanging out. Yep. As a baby. Right. And look, she has like cute shoes on. At any moment, it could pop off. And so they don't fuck around. They just stay strapped.
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They don't just stay strapped. They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war. Those are no joke.
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No, she's got a gigantic magazine. She's probably got spare magazines. Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it. She was in the military.
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Yeah, women have to join the Israeli military as well. Look, they're surrounded. I mean, this is something that's very different.
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We've got so few attacks on American soil, you know, you have Pearl Harbor, which is kind of America You know Hawaii should be its own country.
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I mean, it's kind of feel like it we own Hawaii I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States But it's kind of crazy that it's five mile five hours rather by airplane over the ocean in the middle until you get to Hawaii and that's considered America But, I mean, I don't know how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But the point is, like, that was World War II, so that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil. What's after that? It's 9-11. 9-11. That's crazy. Like, we are so... used to being safe. Whereas you think of even Russia, what Russia went through, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific. And they've done that throughout history.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia. Now you go into any other part of the world. I saw something terrible today. Some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China, they didn't want to go the long way around the wall, so they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it. Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgehammers?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, they were doing fucking construction work out there, so they just broke down the Great Wall. Jail. Oh, they're going to get worse than jail in China. Yeah. They're going to turn you into a fucking suitcase. That's terrible. They'll make you make iPhones for 20 years, and then they're going to turn you into a jacket.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's fucking horrible, man. People are just so gross. Imagine that mahogany tree that you saw. Look at these assholes. They broke through the Great Wall. Chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the Great Wall.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, people are gross. People are gross, and people are also very short-sighted and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing. They just do things, you know?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, I think so too. Right? Yeah, I think there's just, you're going to get everything, right? You're going to get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel. You're going to get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees. And then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's one of the cool things about people because it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting because it's rare. And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people. I think – and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true.
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You need evil to appreciate good. You need hate to appreciate love. It's just a part of the way the human mind and our – just overall psychology, just the way we operate in the world. It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person. And I think –
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Hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and progress and doing things correct and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way. Like organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms.
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is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal. The waste that it produces in river systems is fucking insane. There's a guy that we've had on. His name is Will Harris. And Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm. He got this farm. It's a family-owned farm.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They've had it forever. And it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture. But there's a section of the river near his property where his property line meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture. And you can see it in the river. There's a clear line of differentiation. Look at that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yes. Shit. All that stuff. So most of these farmlands, the topsoil is gone. There's no... Whoa, Jesus. There's no minerals. There's no nutrients. There's no nothing. And so you have to use industrial strength fertilizers. You have to lose all this garbage and bullshit. And so that stuff is... It just sits on the top.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops, the runoff goes right in the river. So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit. And then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't know who that gentleman is. I think he works at Will. But he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So the left is what the creek is supposed to look like. The right is what happens. And no consequences. You should be in trouble for this, right? Like, hey, you can't run your farm this way. Like, is this what happens when you run your farm this way?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Stop the farm. Okay, we've got to figure out how to do this the right way. Is there a way for your water to look like the water is six inches away? Is there a way? Well, that's the only way you can make farming. So in Russia, organic, like they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, no. Putin is like, this is bullshit. This should be illegal. When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And we can do a lot less of that, too. There's another issue. Commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Let's Google in America how many acres of trees are cut down every year for paper. So the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis... came entirely from hemp, the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years. It's one of the safest drugs in terms of risk profile. The LD50 of marijuana is nuts.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I used to have a joke about it. The only way you die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plant and it hits you in the head. You can do stupid things that could wind up getting killed. You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abuse marijuana. And by the way, I want to say marijuana is not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia, and high-dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it. It's called Tell Your Children, and I agree with him. I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. US uses approximately 68 million trees each year to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years, with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's actually renewable. Like that term that people like to throw around, renewable, that's actually renewable. It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed. My friend Todd used to have like a stalk of a mature hemp plant on his desk. And it's about this thick around. Like, if that was a piece of oak, it would be really heavy. But it's hard, like this table, which is oak. But it's light.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like styrofoam. It's light like balsa wood. But it's hard. So it has incredible... Power, like in its fibers. Its fibers are extremely unusual. So they make the most durable clothing, like canvas. The word canvas comes from cannabis. But is this weed itself? No. Like if you have like a weed plant. It's not the same thing. No, well, you can. It's the same thing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all. It's just a similar, same family. So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption. They were growing it to make paper. See, this is what happened. I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road. What happened is in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly. So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden cotton became a very easy cloth to use and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right? Well, what they used to use was hemp because hemp is way more durable. I mean, crazy difference.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like I have a hemp jujitsu gi made by Datsusara and you can't rip this motherfucker. Like you grab it and I've had one, one of my gis is like eight years old. But if I have a cotton gi, eight years in, that shit's torn apart. So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads. And, you know, I guess you could make hemp threads. I don't even know if they do.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But the point is it's, like, far more durable. As a paper, it's a far superior paper. Far superior like it's much tougher. It's tough to like I've had paper Demonstrate to me like it's harder rip man. Yeah crazy. It's weird.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's a fucking alien plant it really is and When they invented this decorticator well William Randolph Hearst who also owned Hearst publications who also own paper mills and Scientific America had on the cover of their magazine hemp the new billion dollar crop And it was a show decorator to them. It was all when they invented this thing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding. DuPont came out with a chemical composition for nylon. They were going to use nylon for ropes. Hemp is what they always use for ropes. Hemp is what they use for sails. So that's a decorator. That looks like a modern one.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it, and it grinds the shit out of the hemp. And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor. So slave labor and poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, then they invented this machine, and once this machine got rolling, they're like, oh, shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better. Mm-hmm. So all this Forrest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And a paper guy in the 1930s. And so he got together with Harry Anslinger, and they utilized all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal to probe. Excuse me, the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after whiskey manufacturers and gin makers and these moonshine people, which is where NASCAR came from, by the way. NASCAR came out of moonshiners.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, they needed a souped up car. So they took those people who were just arresting people all over the country for alcohol, and then they sicked them on marijuana. And marijuana was never the term for cannabis. Yeah. Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco, a totally different plant.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women. And then they fund Reefer Madness and they fund these movies, these propaganda films.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
All that comes from hemp. It all comes from the commodity, from them having this interest in paper. Research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon. So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world. It can grow four meters high in 100 days. Four meters high in 100 days. In 100 days, you have a new crop.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper, which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down. Have you ever been to old growth forests in the Pacific Northwest where they do logging? Well, you've been to the Amazon. You've seen the worst slash and burn art. But the point is, if you go to these cut places, these places where they cut the trees, they grow new trees.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's horrible. It's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's a thousand years old and make a fucking basket out of it. Like, this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary. Yep. And it could, well, it can all be mitigated. This can all be mitigated. All of it can. You know, the real problem is hardwoods.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, hardwoods are very, very valuable and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others. Like, in California, if you have oak trees, you can't chop them down unless you get a permit. Like, we had a tree that was about to fall on our house. It was like, ugh.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's on the way go and you know California the earth tends to shake a little bit a little bit things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree, but you know you have to there's We have to figure out how our desire for hardwood like the source of that hardwood, if your desire for a beautiful mahogany table, they're beautiful, gorgeous, look at your desk, amazing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree that people had probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever. Maybe ever.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
When I was in Scotland, they were claiming this. I don't know if this is true, because there's a lot of really old shit in Scotland. They have these stones. Really? Yeah, we were in Scotland. There's these guide stones on the ground, and I go, what's that from? They go, we don't know. I go, how old is it? They're like, it's about 5,000 years old. I was like, what?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You just walk up to a 5,000-year-old stone. There's a stone circle out there. There's a stone circle that someone has constructed. It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale. And it's older than Stonehenge. And it's just on the street in front of this dude's house. So this guy said, do you want to see it?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, it has a little plaque that's like that big. So we got out of the car and we walk over to it. You could walk on it. You could stand on it. I'm like, this is so weird. Like, how old is this? They're like, we're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old. Like the druids made these things.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They don't know. They don't know who did it. They don't know why. This guidestone was just on the ground next to this pathway. And I was like, what is this? That's a 5,000-year-old guidestone. I'm like, what is – what? Who put that there? Why isn't there a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So weren't they saying that, so they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like, I don't know how that's true. I thought the oldest tree was, has to be in Africa.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, what's the oldest tree? No, this is just I didn't want to tell the guy get the fuck out of here They said the oldest tree he was he was giving me a tour a tour of the land These are coos. These are coos. They're cows. They call the cows coos. I go, what are you saying, man? Scotland's oldest tree. So it's 3,000 and 9,000 years old.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, they don't know. I mean, that's the thing about that area. There's a lot of just guessing. There's a lot of just guessing. So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly looking, like you're saying. It's not like a massive tree.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, when you walk by it, you would think, oh, it's just a tree. You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old. But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is. I think that's the one. That's the one they were saying is the oldest tree. Well, this is just what this guy is telling me. What is that one? The oldest tree in the world. What's that one? Is it in the U.S.?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That one looks like it's in the Middle East. I don't think so. No. Couldn't be, right? I don't know. Bristlecone. Where's that one? Pine. Great base, 900 years. It doesn't say. Where's Bristlecone? California. California. So the oldest tree in the world is in California? No.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, no, no, no. It says, yeah. I don't think they're saying it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Is that maybe just like trees around the world that they're studying in Atlanta?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The oldest tree in the world. It looks like shit. It looks like you would expect the oldest tree. You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods. California. California. Doesn't have a single fucking leaf. So how old is that one? How is it alive? How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old. Yikes. Methuselah. They have a name for it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So some cocksucker, you know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk. You know, there's some fucking tech shithead. U.S. Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands, nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree. Someone's going to fuck it up.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But this is interesting, Jamie, because I guess that other website's incorrect. Because the other website was saying it might be 9,000 years old.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but that's not Scotland. Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit, too. Prometheus. I think that's the thing about a lot of these old, old trees is it's kind of guesswork.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't think they really know. And I think it probably behooves them, behooves them to exaggerate a little. Hooves. You know, because it's kind of a good bragging point. Say, we got the oldest tree in the world. Yeah, it's a draw for your town, whatever. Sort of. There's no one out there. It was really cool. There's no one in Scotland, bro.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Scotland is like the whole country is like the size of Austin.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, man. Have you gone up to Northern California? Did that rain for us?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, yeah. People are gross. Especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall. Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth. And you know that's not the biggest one. That seems like to make sense to me. Like, that's the oldest tree. You know, when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert, I'm like, that's not the oldest. You lying, bitch.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And every year it's just adding a millimeter to its – Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago. But yet we still know so little. They still – like 2010, they found a new human species. Yeah. The Denisovans. They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them. And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went – I think gorillas were like mythical creatures until like the 1800s. Like when did they discover gorillas?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better. But among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is a really controversial one. It's the Bondo ape. And that's a particular area of the Congo called Bili. And Bili has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla. So this is a normal chimpanzee skull. Okay. See how it's smooth on the top?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive because they mostly just, they only eat plants. So they're mostly eating fiber. So they're just crushing roots and stuff all day.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Massive muscles. Well, these chimpanzees, they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger. They're like six feet tall. A hybrid between chimpanzees. And they're enormous. It's a really controversial thing. Some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's this area in Africa, there's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies. It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo. So all the lions look like Yoel Romero. They all just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions. Female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Super jacked female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, because they have to adapt to their environment. So there was some thought that maybe this was a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large. But they're fucking huge, man. There's a guy named Carl Armand. He's a Swiss wildlife photographer. And he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs. Bro, you gotta see what they look like. Oh, yeah, they like nutty. They look nutty. I mean, they're hunched over a little bit But they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, they have they have tissue samples. They have bones. So we have separate DNA Yep, plenty of videos of these things there It's an actual animal that the question is is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? It's like Right. You know they have bonobos. Can we be able to tell that from the tissue? Well, it's a novel tissue though, right? So it's a new thing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So if it is, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and how many of them there are. And it seems to be in this incredibly dense war-torn area of the Congo where these things live. But we know there's bonobos, right? Which kind of look like chimpanzees, but they're really different. They're not violent at all. They just fuck. Yeah, peace and love.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They have arguments and they fuck each other. And that's how they get over everything. They use hemp. Yeah, they probably do. They're probably stoner monkeys. I wonder what's in their diet. But these monkeys are, these chimpanzees, rather, are very different than the other chimpanzees, like from Chimp Nation, where they're super violent. And they kill monkeys all day.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It was good to see you again. Good to see you. Every time I see him, I'm like, I'm glad he's still alive. It's like, where you live is so crazy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Netflix document. Fucking amazing. That's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years. So the chimpanzees behave completely normal. When you say embedded, like what Goodall did, like sitting there, like right there. Yes, they lived with them. So they set up camp in these forests, and they had very clear rules. Number one, stay 20 yards away, always. Not much.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Not much. Pretty close. But when it gets close to 20 yards, get out of there. No food. Don't bring any food. Don't look them in the eyes. No fucking around. And so the chimpanzees, their whole life... Chimpanzee lives in the wild probably 15, 20 years or whatever. Their whole life they've been around these people. So they act completely normal. Those people are just like another tree.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Just another thing that's not of consequence. It doesn't steal resources from them. It doesn't try to intimidate them. It doesn't infringe on their territory. Never gets closer than 20 yards. No worries. So because of that, they've got this insane footage. It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time. And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And I had the guy on who directed it. It was really fascinating. I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like, dude, we couldn't even show them all. They're just eating monkeys all day. That's their favorite thing to do. And they just rip them apart.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And they didn't even know that until the 90s. When David Attenborough went to the jungle to film chimpanzees, they caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive. It's terrifying. It's crazy. It is terrifying. There's a monkey, and this chimp has it like his hand is around its waist, and it's just eating it from the hips down like this. And the monkey's going, Jesus!
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours. It's so close to us. And this chimp's just chewing chunks.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Pulling a leg off and handed it to this other chimp, and he's chewing it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, yeah, they share. They share. Well, that's a big part of this docuseries. Interesting. Is how they set up those social structures. Their social structures are so similar to ours. We think that the biggest chimpanzees, like the alpha male, it's not. Some of them it's not. It's a smart one who has made comrades and made a community and is very fair.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness and being slighted. Like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey, they get fucking furious. Like what have you done? Like you have to make right. Like you have to like sue people's or monkeys, chimpanzees, anger at being slighted.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. They studied white-tailed deer as well. Same thing happens. The big guys are fighting. When the big guys are fighting, the little sneaky ones are like, hey, you want some ladies?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
See if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape. Yes, please. Again, very controversial. Why is it controversial, though? Because people don't want to believe it's real. So that's one, yeah, that one's a dead one that they shot at an airport. Look at the size of it compared to those guys.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I was just trying to get on a plane. You ever see that movie, The Congo? It's a stupid movie. I read the book. It was a cool book where the gorillas could talk. But those chimpanzees, the crazy chimpanzees, were based on these Bondo apes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the idea. Look at that picture up in the top right with the black and white one. Yeah. Well, find the camera trap photo.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Scroll down a little bit. It'll probably be one of the first photos that you see. There's a camera trap photograph of, no, that's a different one. That's one that, um, lived in America.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's one, they, they called them humanzy and they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee. Um, These are all cool. That's it. That's it. Where it says World of Carl Armand on the top shelf. Yeah, right there. That's the camera trap photo. That's not the best version of it. I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around and they're enormous.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
These guys said they had a Land Rover and they had a Defender and they stopped or whatever the truck was. They stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck. What? So they're huge. They're enormous. Some of them are, like I said, they're like six foot tall chimpanzees. And just imagine how strong a regular chimp is. So that's definitely that one up there.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Click on that. Click on the gallery. So Carl Armand is this guy who was this wildlife photographer that when they became aware of this subspecies. See the photographs of the skull? Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They're fucking huge, man. And there's not a large population of them, and it's not very well studied. Because it's so remote mm-hmm.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's very fucking dangerous to get there But you see those two bones on the ground show that image again look at the size difference between the regular chimpanzee skull in the background and then the Bondo ape in the foreground and look at the crest on the head nuts The locals have two names for chimpanzees. They call them tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers? Lion killers.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And the lion killers, first of all, there's no lions in the jungle. Lions are not king of the jungle. Well, there's no lions. Lions live in the savannah. So calling them lion killers is probably just a fun name. But they have found, they did video one that was eating a jaguar.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
A leopard. But they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it. They don't know what the fuck happened.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
180 pounds, and the strength of a 500-pound man. So you weigh probably close to it, right? You probably weigh about 180. So your weight, but the strength of a 500-pound man. Now imagine one that's not 5 feet tall, but 6 feet tall, and is not 200 pounds, but 300 pounds or 350 pounds. What? Get that guy in the octagon. Dude, fuck that. A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes. And it's so much bigger than them. But you have to think like, okay, these guys, first of all, they're in the background. Just like when you catch a fish, you hold the fish out in front of you. It's a perspective thing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Exactly. But the guy does have his hand on his shoulder. There's some things you can't fake, like the size of his nuts.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And look at the size of his hand. His hand's massive. That's a massive chimpanzee. grab onto some serious branches with that. Google Humanzee because Humanzee was a weird one. These people had this chimpanzee and they dressed it up like a person and it had weird facial features where it looked so similar to a person. Yeesh. It looks weird.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Along the way. That one right there to the left of that. Yeah, right there where you're at is good, too. So look at his face. I don't like that. Strange, right? Strange features. He looks like he could work at a bank. Very weird. So it led people to think that his name is Oliver. It led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid. But it doesn't seem like he is.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It just seems like he just had odd facial. But look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit. And they're fine. But he became sexually attracted to his carer. And preferred humans over chimps. The problem with those things is they're horny. Just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps because he doesn't get to see them. You look close enough.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He's like, I'll fuck you, lady. And, like, she's taking care of him. He's like, take care of this. He's a horny chimpanzee.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I'm sure. They're primates. Well, this is, you know, that's that Chimp Nation show that's on. Have you seen that on Netflix?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I'm serious. Not Chimp Nation. Chimp Crazy. Chimp Crazy is all about these people that are like the Tiger King people. Instead of having tigers, they have chimps.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. Carl's up. He's like, what the fuck? Chimps? They'll eat you, Carl. In a goddamn heartbeat.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee. That's not him. But I'm sure they took him from the Congo or wherever. Apparently, this is also something that we learned from the guys from Chimp Crazy that we're on. We're explaining how this trade works where they kidnap these babies from their mother. And then they start raising them in captivity in America. And some places, like Wyoming, it's legal.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So they all go to Wyoming. Or was it Missouri? Where was it that they buy chimps? Missouri, right?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So when they get to be dangerous, they just shoot them and burn them?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, it's a weird hybrid because... I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger. So in the problem is in male lions, the gene that regulates size. Hmm. exists.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So when a male lion breeds with a female lion, I might be fucking this up, but I know that this is the problem with the liger, why they're so big, is because whether it's the male or the female, so it's a hybrid opposite, male lion and a tiger female. Okay. So in the female lion then, Or in the male tiger, one of them, there's this gene that regulates how big you get.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They get so big. Their head. How big do they get, Jamie?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. So this one says it got to 922 pounds. Hercules, the largest non-obese liger. So he's non-obese, not fatso.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I bet he's not if he's 922. Wow. When he was three years old, he weighed 408 pounds. Oh, my God. 900 pounds. 408 kilograms. Oh, my God. And now it weighs. Oh, my God. Value the King's Animal Sanctuary in Wisconsin had a male liger named Nook who weighed over 1,213 pounds. Oh, my God. So lion and tiger in captivity are under 1,100 pounds. How big does a Siberian tiger get?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it. I have to do it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's 10 foot 11 inches long from nose to tail, weighed 932 pounds. Look at that face. Bro, they're so beautiful, too. That's what's crazy, that it's a cat that lives in the snow. Like, you think of tigers, you think of India. Jungles.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia. Yep. And it's the biggest one. And messes up the bears. Oh, good. And controls the wolf populations.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, my God. Yeah. And just, it's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing that's killing you. They're so beautiful. Like, when you see them, it's probably part of the trick. Like, you're, like, hypnotized by how beautiful it is. Like, what?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, that's because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people. Especially people with guns.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Because tigers live in the grass and there's a lot of shadows and stripes.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think all those lines fuck with them because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cup, we're seeing your phone, seeing writing. I don't think they see like that. A lot of it is edge detection and motion. I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram. See how they blend in? Yep. So they would not see all that stuff. They would just see what looks like branches.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And if they're in the jungle, densely foliated jungle, and there's all these trees and shit, they would just blend right the fuck in and just lay in wait for something that's slower than them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And with the Starlink, you can send it back to you with Wi-Fi so you don't have to get the cards.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You probably find them. Yeah. But you probably get fucked up getting in there and putting that stuff up there. That's the problem. It's humans. Me and Lex could do it. The problem is the humans. I mean, it's essentially run by war zone. It's a war zone run by warlords. And then if you go into the Congo, you have the cobalt mines. You have all these things that are run by China.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there. And it's just the whole area. My friend Justin, he runs this charity, Fight for the Forgotten. He goes to the Congo and he builds wells. And we've had him on a few times to talk about his experiences over there. But getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You're dealing with just gunfights break out. People get robbed. People get pulled over and guns held to their head. Everything gets stolen from them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yes, just lawlessness, run by warlords, different towns you go into are run by different people. You have to have translators. Sometimes translators are like, this is not good, this is not good. You're like, oh, fuck. And you're just over there trying to help people. So if you're going to study these chimpanzees, this ain't...
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, this ain't like the fucking Pacific Northwest just going to the woods and like, oh, there's a deer. No, this is, you're dealing with humans, dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I give myself a week. I always have a week. But a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days. It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing. I'm doing it in places where it's private access. If you have public land, you're going to get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk. And it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their – like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on. He'll go two weeks, and they'll go 26, 30 miles in, and that's where the elk are. And so not only that, you have to pack them out. Oh, yeah. So if you kill an elk – 30 miles in. And it's 30 miles as the crow flies.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation, and it takes them days to get the animal out.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Trekking poles are a must, and you're carrying something on your back that's almost what you weigh. You got a person on your back, and you're trying to go 30 miles.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And that's only one trip. Yeah. You're done. You drop it off. You have to get it on ice or do something, depending rather on what the temperature is outside. You have to preserve the meat. You have to put it somewhere, usually in a cooler. You lock it down. Whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you're going back. You're going 30 miles for load number two.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And if you're solo, there's a lot of guys that solo elk hunt, you might have to go in four times to get all the meat out. Because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of dying. No, how much is an elk? I mean, an elk is gigantic. Hundreds of pounds of meat.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So I could tell you exactly because we shot these elk in Utah and then we brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit. And they weigh it. So they weigh your meat. It was 400 pounds of meat. of harvested meat.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, there's still bones in the quarters. But the bones aren't that much weight. Let's just say the bones are 100 pounds. And I don't think they are. But let's say they are. Yeah, I don't think they are. Because it's just a couple leg bones. It's quartered. So it's basically the femurs. It's, you know, like a rear hind quarter and a front quarter. Let's say it's 100 pounds.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's still 300 pounds of meat you got to get out on your own.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You, 300 pounds on your back. So you've got to do it in 100-pound trips probably if you're smart, but some guys get crazy. 100-pound pack is a lot. I know it is. I know a guy who fucked his back up because he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles. Oh, God. And his back's destroyed.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
His back is so destroyed that one of his arms is atrophying because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's cold out. When I was hunting, it was hailing. Oh, okay. So it was like some of the days it was in the 30s, some of the days it was in the 40s. So it'll stay overnight? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It totally can, but we didn't have to wait overnight. We packed it out that day. I got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me. So we were in the bottom of this canyon. It's very, very steep.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This part that's extremely difficult to get to, which is why the elk go there. So it was like you have to be very physically fit just to get there. When I do cardio, getting ready for elk hunts, literally I get ready for it like I have to go into a fight or something.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I'm doing sprints on the airdyne machine just to pump my legs up. I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights. I'm doing all these body weight squats. It's just to have strong legs. Just because you have to deal with this terrain. If you want to go where the elk are. Because they know where the cats are. And they know where they can hide. And they know where they can get away from people.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And that's in the areas that are hard to get to, which is the mountains. And the more hard to get to, and the elk go up it like it's nothing. Like... They just fucking run right up it like it's it's so wild to watch because you you're struggling to go like a mile an hour and these Motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but that's why they're there They're there because they know that it's tough to get there and yeah people won't fuck with them there and you know They rarely get fucked with there. So that's how you have to get to so I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me and everyone took a load and I think Cam Haynes has a photo of it on his Instagram of all of us packing it out.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It was in one of those multiple photo things. So that helped a lot because if it was just me and my friend Colton, who was my guide, it would have probably taken us... Fucking most of the day. Yeah, most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill where you can get a 4x4 to it So you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, that's good Yeah, but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land which is a much tougher thing to do right because I said that because of pressure and And also because if you want to go where the elk are, there's a lot of people, there's pressure, and the elk are going to get the fuck out of Dodge. And so you have to find out where they are.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's a lot more groundwork, and you're covering a lot more miles. So these guys, they put their camp on their back, and they chop the toothbrush in half, that whole deal.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They know where the water is, and they use things like Onyx maps so that they chart their path. That's all of us. Nice. So we're packing out. That's all the elk quarters on different people's backs and that head up there, that's me carrying the head out with the antlers.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, and it's, we were, like I said, real lucky that we had friends there to help us. But if you do that by yourself, if you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in, you got to be so strong. You got to be so strong. Whose shot was that? I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Greentree. He's an awesome photographer. That's incredible. Lives in Australia, who's with us hunting too.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting as far as that goes.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, but what I'm saying is, like, there's not going to be a lot of people there, no one's going to fuck with you, and you know the elk are there. So the much more difficult path is, like, the public land hunter who has to go deep into the forest to get away from all the people.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like, my friend Adam told me he went 23 miles into the forest once, and he's like, no one's going to be here, and he found two tents. He's like, motherfucker. Yeah. These hunters, they're all realizing like, so there's like a category of hunter that's like these athletes. That love it. Yeah. But they're athletes. Like these guys are super physically fit.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So they can go 25 miles, 30 miles in and they can be by themselves. Yeah. Which is pretty serious. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, that's why they are the way they are. You can't take that out of the equation. Like people want, oh, let's have all the elk live in harmony where they never have to worry about getting eaten. That's not real. Just standing there. Yeah, what you're saying is not real.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So if you're saying you don't want hunting, you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way because we need population control. Some say we need it with people, but that's the World Economic Forum. But what I think is with animals, at least we understand. We have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job, and they understand what the holding populations are.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They're like, this is how much food is there. This is how many deer are there. This is sustainable. We can give out this amount of tags, and so we keep the populations. But you have to also take into account wolves. When wolves move into an area, everything gets fucked. Everything gets fucked. They kill off a giant percentage of the calves. They kill off domestic animals.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They do surplus kills sometimes. Like in Wyoming, they found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like 100 cow elk. And they were just laying there because they can't help themselves, man. If they can do it, they're going to do it. Like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on or they can't get away, if they got them cornered, they just go on a slaughter fest.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh. It's all lies. The Native Americans were unbelievably brutal to each other. The Comanches were insane.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, that's what it was to them They'd go and find other native tribes and fuck them up and sometimes eat them
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think that's when they killed her mother and they raped her mother. And they were unbelievably brutal. But they had a hard time with their population because they're riding horses so much.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So to mitigate that, they would take young kids. So they find young kids and they kidnap them and bring them into the tribe. So they kill the parents. Incredible. Oh, my God. Some of the stories are so. And the craziest thing is what our government did. Our government was like, hey, you want a homestead? Go out there. We'll give you a chunk of land. What was that?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And it's like, holy shit. They kill everybody. Well, you're on their land as far as they're concerned. What the fuck are you doing? And what the government was doing was saying, hey, you can go homestead out there. What? And it was baiting them. And so then they made these people fight off the Comanche. And if it wasn't for Jack Hayes and the Texas Rangers, Texas would have never been settled.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This was all the Comanche. Dude, there's so many arrowheads here. It's mad.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I found one once in Nevada. You found it? No, I did not find that one. So this is a real Native American arrowhead. Absolutely. My friend Remy said that's probably one they use for fish because it's larger. He said the ones they use for deer are smaller because they don't have a lot of force on their bows and they have to penetrate. So they want a smaller diameter arrowhead. Ouchy, wow, wow.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers. So they could fire off arrows one after another. This is why when they came up with the musket, they're like, this is not good enough. One shot. Yeah. And then they got to sit there and they're just filling you up with arrows. So when Colt developed a revolver, that changed the game. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Because now all of a sudden these guys had cartridges. I think the initial one was five shots. And they could just pop the cartridge out, put a new one in, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Changed the game.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Not only that, the government didn't want it for soldiers. They're like, why do we need this? We don't need this. But the Texas Rangers used it. Figured it out.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Because it's such a genre in our history. There's not a whole lot of Civil War cool movies. No, because nobody likes the Civil War. But there's a lot of Western cool movies. Because it's romantic. Yeah. But the history of genocide in North America in terms of like what happened to the Native Americans has been so poorly documented in movies. Because nobody wants to watch that. Right.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So the movies are all just, you know, guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans. And every now and then some Native American would get into the picture. You have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like, what a weird genre of films that only looks at it from one perspective, the perspective of the people that came over there. And not even the real thing that happened to people is exactly what happened to people in the Amazon. It's disease. That's the lost city of Z, right? You know, when they went there, the first people were like, this place is amazing. It's complex cities.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's golds everywhere. It's gorgeous. And then so people made the trek back. And by the time they went there, all those people were dead. Yeah. From dirty, stinky European diseases. Like, here, you want some blankets? Yeah. Well, that blanket thing's not real. No? No.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, no. They think that, I mean, there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox, but smallpox just spread. Just spread like wildfire, yeah. Because everybody was immune to it from Europe. Like, not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies, because smallpox was everywhere. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that have been reported in those areas? Yes.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So these people, how long have these people been there for?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And these people, how could they know that someone would do that to them? They don't even know what a town is like, right?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Have you seen that overhead? There's a view, like a camera is on the helicopter or something, and it's photographing these guys, and they're all fucking pointed, close, and arrows. This one. How wild is that?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, my God, man. This is wild. This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands of years ago.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Incredible, man. i mean that guy looks like someone from the past yep he doesn't look like someone from now yeah and so what they did was they sent them a canoe full of bananas now that guy's standing there in the cold shaking his head like he might just not know the word for blanket it's insane man this is incredible yeah and these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They tie their dicks down so they don't get scratched up?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's so gangster. It's like, yeah, man, I got to tie it up. I mean, think about the stuff they're walking through. You don't want a dragon on the ground. Everything's got a thorn.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Aren't there little fishies that swim up your dick hole, too?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
so many things to think about and this is your everyday existence yeah yeah i just so when you went to that spot when you decided let's let's go there and it takes you three days and you get up there and you see these people did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live so could you can you or is it dangerous well both well i had some trackers with me who were extremely experienced in all of this they knew where we could and couldn't go and we went on a
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Because they know you're there before you know they're there. Oh, they know you're there.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
If you're coming in a boat, too, it's probably making a lot of noise. Yeah. Right?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So at this point... He's already broken at this point.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Even if he lived, he'd be... Oh! Everything's just getting crushed.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's it. He just had enough. Oh, this is horrible, man. Just stomping this guy. He's already dead.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He's so flat. That's so crazy. He's picking him up in his mouth.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And this other guy runs in to stop it. Are you out of your fucking mind? But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit, too.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, and what's fucked up about that is like when you have tribes or towns or villages of people that are growing things Yeah, and the elephants find it. They just like sorry.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, they don't have any understanding of ownership. They're like, these are pineapples that are on the ground. No one's eating them. Of course I'm going to eat them. And they can eat all the pineapples. And so now everybody starves. And no one can stop them. People come out, they throw rocks at them.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's no water here. Everyone's dying. And then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, unfortunately, the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity. Whether you make them a commodity for going on safari, whether you make them a commodity for hunting them. Because before that, when people were just poaching and doing market hunting, they were on the brink of extinction. There's a lot of animals there.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
A lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You know, there's animals in Texas that you can hunt that are endangered in their native lands.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's more tigers in Texas than there are in all the wild of the world, just in people's yards. Yeah, I just met somebody that had elands on her property, this giant.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Huge fucking animal with crazy horns. They're cool looking. But these wild game reserves in Africa, people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes. And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school, which was like, to call it a school, it's just dirt floors. No windows.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's just this building where kids go, and the food they get is all canned. So they have canned foods, and so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat. And everybody went crazy. The whole village comes. They get baskets of it, fresh meat. And it does help. It helps. But really what's fucked is that people live like that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like, really, the way to get people out of that situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mine for cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people. Try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water and... and figure out a way to get them resources.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right. But gold mining in Alaska is probably pretty fun. Imagine being part of the minor 49ers that came over here in 1849.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Have you seen the movie Sisu? It's like a John Wick movie from World War II. It's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner and he finds gold and he's retired, done with the war. And then he's hiking out with his gold. He's riding out with his gold and the Nazis show up. And he has to kill all the zombies.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Taken's a little ridiculous, but this guy, you kind of believe it. Yeah? Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I mean, this guy's covered in scars, his whole body. He's been in war his whole life. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor that's not Brendan Gleeson is no it's I don't know I don't know his name, but it's not American movie Look at the look at the trailer with the knife bro this fucking movie rules.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. That's the gentleman's name. I've never heard of him. But he's fucking awesome.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Oh, my God. What a show. Yo. What a show. Yo. What a show.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, it's fascinating how calm they are. Kelly Slater. Yeah. Have you had him in here? Yeah, I've had him on. He's awesome.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Shane Dorian is a good friend of mine. He does that shit, too. All these guys, they're all chill dudes. Like, real serious people.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You ever see his workout where he takes weights in the pool? And walks on the bottom of the pool. He's a fucking maniac.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No days off with that guy. He's incredible. And that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves is just such a nutty proposition.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't snowboard, but I ski. And when I ski, I'm like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt. Didn't get hurt. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I've just been injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board. Nope, because when you hit ice and you fall forward, that face smack, your teeth are coming right out. I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way. The snowboard went up and he landed head first and just got out cold.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Shane, my friend Shane Dorian that I was just talking about, he destroyed his knee snowboarding. Yeah? Slammed into a tree, tore it apart, had to get reconstructive surgery. And, you know, think about that. That guy's whole life is riding waves.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Big wave surfer. And so, you know, he had to get his knee reconstructed. As soon as he got fixed, right back to snowboarding.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I understand, but I don't get it. I do understand. It's just like my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path. I could have gone down that path. I see it. I see the lure. I see the lure of the big wave. I see the lure of the jungle.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think it's in everything. I think everything is like that. There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging. We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment. And I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our system of what it is to be a human being and what our purpose is on earth.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And I think that you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you find challenging and rewarding. And I think that's a tragedy. Because I think you're living a boring ass life. And there's a lot of people. That's the great Thoreau quote. Most men live lives of silent desperation. And that's real. Most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them. It's difficult.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It's challenging and rewarding. And that's not a good life. It's a safe life, right? That's what people want. They want a safe life. People want to retire. I want to go off in the sunset. It's all bullshit. You want a life filled with challenges and rewards and you want to learn about yourself along the way. You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you can push yourself. You want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things. It's part of being a human. It's a fascinating thing that's elective. And that's the part about it that makes it interesting. It's elective. You don't have to do it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You can get a very plain, boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist. And you can exist on bad food and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And a lot of times it's getting on a path. And then, like, think about Goggins. Like, when he first started that, what if he never did decide to get fit? What if he stayed that 300-pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day, and he was big and fat, and he couldn't even run 100 yards? That's who he was when he first started working out.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And a switch flipped, and he got on a path, and he stayed on that path. He wasn't on that path his whole life. And then all of a sudden he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path. Yeah.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that. I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people. I think near-death experiences. I think loss of a loved one. I think maybe a realization that sometimes people just wake up and say, I can't do this anymore.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or just soul sucking, they just get to a point where they go, I can't do this anymore. And sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like, I'm not drinking anymore. I'm fucking done. And people do. My friend Dave did that. He never went to rehab. Didn't do nothing. He crashed his car.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He got arrested because he ran away from the scene of the accident. He was drunk driving. And he said, I'm never drinking again. Never drank again. To the day he died.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Just reached his limit. Didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous. They're like, you have to go. He's like, no, I don't. I'm just not drinking anymore. I'm done. And he just had to, his whole life he was a drunk. He just had to get to this point where he's like, this can't be me anymore.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that. Sometimes you get to it through inspiration. Sometimes you get to it through desperation. Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue. Like sometimes, you know, you walk into a jujitsu gym and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life. You take a lesson and you're like, oh my God, this is so fun.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And then five years later, you're a fucking jujitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it. You train every day. And you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you. And it could be big wave surfing. It could be playing chess. There's probably a thing out there that resonates with you. You just haven't had it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone, which people don't like to do.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it and they don't understand the reward of doing it. But the people that do do it all the time, whether it's David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit, they just stay on the path. That's the key. The key is just every fucking day is a new challenge.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You don't want to do it every day. If you're a guy who runs marathons, there's no fucking way you want to run every day. But you know if you want to run a sub-three-hour marathon, you've got to run every fucking day. And you've got to check your heart rate. You've got to make sure you're eating correctly. You've got to do all those things. It's fucking hard to do.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But because it's hard to do, people get obsessed. Maybe they run a 5K. They're like, I can't believe I did it. Wow, I ran three miles. And then the next thing you go, you know what, I'm going to run a half marathon and they prepare for a half marathon. And the next thing you know, they're a fucking runner.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But some people can't, right? Because some people, I mean, the reality is some people have families, and they have mortgages, and they have loved ones they take care of. There's not a chance in hell you could take a father of four, and all of a sudden this guy can become a jungle keeper. It's just he's not going to leave Ohio and quit his job in Columbus.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, see? That's a good age. 17, you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You're young. You're all full of cum. You're fucking crazy ambitious.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Fuck these people. And then you have confidence and intelligence, and you decided to make this a path, and then you find... This incredibly rewarding part of the path, which is saving the rainforest. And so now you have a reason to live. So your life becomes filled with meaning. And that's the problem with a lot of people, even that have jobs that are really good jobs. They don't have meaning.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And that's why people fill their life up with bullshit. They just buy things and do cocaine and fucking, you know. get a luxury yacht. They just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do. They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it, and then they get caught up in this numbers game where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I could tell you as a person who grew up poor, one of the things that happens is first initially you worry that you're not going to be able to maintain it. That's initial fear. That's super, super common. And guys start getting like really famine. It's interesting when they start making more money, they start getting more freaked out about money. I understand that. That happens.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You see that with a lot of Hollywood people. They change how they talk about things. They change their opinions. They don't want to take any risks. So you want to keep that gravy train rolling. But if you're doing something you enjoy doing, then I think, especially if you're independent, like podcasters, right? That's a good example.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You start making money in podcasting, you're like, oh, this is great. I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do. I'm not going to stop doing it. Why would I stop doing it? And I also can keep making a lot of money. I think I'll just keep doing it, especially since I enjoy it. So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money. I think about like, I would like to talk to Paul.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
He lives in the Amazon. Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul. Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free. But I'm not going to.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, you need more. You need more because you got a mortgage. You got this. You got that. What if your kids go to college? Also, your money's not going to be worth as much because of inflation. And what if you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under? Or what if you're an idiot and you invest in NFTs or Bitcoin? I know a dude who just lost a shitload of money.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Crypto coin like you get nutty you think it's free money and like no it's some kind of crazy thing that's going on We got fake money some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird like fucking imaginary money Digital money do you want to buy a what were those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while NFT yeah those
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. No, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs and I've been asked to do things with crypto. And I was like, I don't even know what it is. So how the fuck am I going to endorse? I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or makes sense or they can explain to me, oh, this is how it works. Okay, it makes sense.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But if you're doing something like an NFT, like Jamie tried to explain it to me like six or seven times. Yeah. And I was like, okay. But you have it on your phone, right? So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too. Yeah. No, but you don't own it. Okay. What does that mean? I have the same thing you have. I have the exact same experience of having this million dollar yacht ape.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Is that what it was called? No, it was the board ape. What was the board ape? What was the apes? It's a fucking cartoon picture of a monkey. What were they called though? Was it yacht apes or board apes? There was one that a lot of people were buying, and I was like, what the fuck are you paying money for? This is crazy. It's called the Bored Ape Yacht Club. Oh, that's what it is.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, that thing, no. Does it know? That's like a digital piece of art. That's a completely different thing. So you have to plug it in? Yeah. But that thing was a gift from an artist. What the fuck's his name? I forgot his name real quick. Beeple.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Sorry, Beeple. But Beeple's, he puts up digital art every fucking day. So when you, he has like a gallery and you go there and there's this giant digital art. It's like those kind of NFTs make sense. This thing is like a shit cartoon. And how much did they go for?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier. I said it's the exact same experience. Yeah, I know. The experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a picture of my car.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But Mona Lisa, I can look at the Mona Lisa on my phone all day long. I don't own it. Right. But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone. So the Mona Lisa was only on a phone, and you could just screenshot it, and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old, and it's painted by a master.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT. It's fake. The experience of having it is no different. I get that you're saying that it's money, and you're going to trade it
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, because they're original physical things. And then they're also like have serial numbers on them. I guess if you had a fake one. That's where you don't know if anyone's faking it. But the thing is, the real ones, you're also getting like a little piece of history. Like this arrowhead. If somebody made this arrowhead and I didn't know, because guys do make arrowheads.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
There's a lot of modern day people that make arrowheads. But this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch. I have a bunch of these. I have a few of them at home. They're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago that was right here. And they're all over the place. And somebody made that. Somebody made that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And it took a long ass time. And then they had to make the rods for the arrows. Which is not that easy.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Well, not only that, you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow. You have to know what woods to use for the bow. You have to know how to harden those woods. If you're making a recurve bow, now you're talking even crazier. Even if you're just trying to make a simple longbow. Yeah, a simple longbow.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
yeah which is again it's so much fun being out in the jungle because whoever you are no matter how rich you are no matter how hot your shit is you're out in the jungle you're shitting with the dung beetles do you bring fire starter you know that stuff that so like they sell they have like bricks of this stuff um or cords of it you cut off a little bit of a piece of it and then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal is like those rods the
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I think a ferro rod. Exactly. That's exactly what it is, right? And you light that stuff, and it's soaked in chemicals. It's probably fucking terrible to breathe in, but that will keep fire for a long time, and you can use it to start fires.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So you never bring a little Bunsen burner, those little lightweight ones?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So when you're navigating, you're not using GPS? You're just using a compass? Yeah. Why?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
The thing about this is it helps you boil water. Jet boils, is what they call them. So it's this little thing. It's got a little tank, and it lasts for days. You just cook it up when you want to cook food. You turn it on, you have a little thing with you, and freeze-dried food and shit. That's what a lot of these guys pack when they go 30 miles deep into the woods.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So is it just you just deal with it or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I didn't know that that was the case. Because I saw those rites of passage thing that they do. They take these guys, the glove. Yeah. And they fill their hand up with bullet ants. And they have the bullet ants stuck in the gloves so they can't go anywhere. So they just keep fucking you up. And it's supposed to be some thing that they do that is like a religious experience.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Every time I talk to him, I'm like, please stop. Please stop. Don't let people punch you. Please stop. Don't let this happen. Just take care of yourself.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You've done so much. Yeah. He's so banged up. He's such a wild man. Have you ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off? Yeah. Those are real lions.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, I don't understand him. He looks good. They play keep away with hyenas. So he's got it on. He's freaking out. Yeah. Let me hear some volume.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You can get stung by those things now. And I thought it was like my friend Steve got it. He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain. And he said he could barely walk.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Does anybody work out? You're the only guy that works out in the jungle.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
That's not fun. I took it really bad. You and I have a different understanding of fun.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Four plus on the Schmidt Siding Pain Index. Sting Pain Index. The highest possible rating. And you can just go to sleep after that? Causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting. Being studied for use in biological insecticides. Of course it is. Of course it is. Paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Affects voltage-gated sodium channels and blocks synaptic transmission in the central nervous system. Yo, how many people died from bullet ants?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Do you think that those people have already been stung a couple of times?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby, a soft, mushy baby, and that ant just fucks you. So they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now. So when they're putting the glove on, even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of those bullet ants in there, they're probably much more accustomed.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It hurts everywhere. So is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is and you don't freak out? Or is it your pain threshold, has it lowered because you've done it a bunch of times so your body's immune to it?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
We were talking about this yesterday. I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently. And it makes sense that some people just, I don't even think it's a tolerance thing. I think it feels different. I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food. And there's a bunch of different things like that. Cold water. There's things that people can tolerate.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And it seems like they're not just being tougher. Like it's not as hard for them. Like there's a, you know, maybe their ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So is it because you've become more high profile, you've got more support? What has been the change?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It could be that, or it could be you get acclimated. You get accustomed. Because we're talking about people, we adjust to our environments. We adjust to all kinds of different things. You probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves. And it's also, there's a thing about being a badass, putting that wetsuit on and getting in that ocean.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Take another frozen wave. If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside and it's snowing and there's ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit, you're warm. You're warm. Ah, you're drinking soup. You know, you got some chicken noodle soup. Oh, you're just so warm and you're watching television. Why would I go to the ocean? Are you guys really going to go? Let's not go.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You sure you want to go? Come on, pussy. We're going to go. And the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I do it sometimes after the sauna, but then I always finish on the cold. Yeah, but that feels good. If I do that, I never go cold, sauna, heat up, and then go outside. I go sauna, cold, sauna, always end on cold. So you always freeze your dick off at the end.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
If you count slowly to ten two times, it's three minutes. That's what I've found. So I just count slowly to 10 for three minutes, and that's it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I don't want to do it every day. Every day I don't want to do it, but I tell myself, shut the fuck up, pussy. Pick up the lid. Yes. Put it down. Climb in. You know you're climbing in.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
set your oh i do want to say garmin uh your new uh phoenix 8 watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge no yeah so this is a i have a phoenix 8 and i have a phoenix 7. they're awesome i love these things but the phoenix 7 i have to wear when i do the cold plunge so if i work out with that one but this one has a better heart sensor yeah this one this one's just better overall
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
But it sucks that if you go in cold water, it doesn't even make any sense. How did you go backwards? The old one, you go into cold water and nothing happens. Underwater operating temperature range 0 to 40. Yeah, that's not true. So Google this. Phoenix 8 shutting off cold plunge. Google that. Trust me, I looked it up online. It's not just me. Yeah. See? Watch turns off and reboots in cold water.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. That's what everybody notices. So if I'm in the water for five seconds, it shuts off. Damn. Yeah. So they're apparently going to fix that. I hope it's a software issue. They better fix it now. But the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch. So if you're swimming and you're diving and you're in cold water, it's going to shut off.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
So is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Right. And if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees, it's probably going to shut off. I don't even know what temperature it shuts off, but people have done it in cold water. So they've taken a glass of cold water and dropped the watch in cold water and it shuts off. Not good, Garmin. It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
How did you not check for cold plunges when you got a dive function on the watch?
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. So apparently they think they can fix it with software, which I hope is true. Well, that would be good. But the 7 works. That just doesn't make any sense. I've never had a problem with the 7. I put the 7 on in the sauna. I put it on in the cold. Never have a problem with it. Yeah. Well, I'm like that watch. Cold. Kryptonite.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah. So the beta that they put out, it disables the dive function. I think there's some talk of another workaround, like maybe shutting off the touchscreen, that maybe that would help. But the problem is it's like you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunging in. They're used to jumping in the ocean in. They're used to doing stuff in. And then the new one doesn't let you do it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You can't release that. You've got to fix that before. You didn't have to sell it yesterday. I mean, it just came out, like, I think September. I ordered one. It took a while to get there. I was all excited. And then first cold punch, I'm like, what in the fuck? That's a wolf tooth. That's a wolf tooth? Yeah. Nice. I forget who gave me that one.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, I got a lot of shit here, man, from cool stuff that people have given me. But, you know, having things like that, like a watch that does GPS, like this watch has maps on it. Yeah. It shows your elevation. You can get a lot of information off of these things, and you can track waypoints on them. And I always use a thing called Onyx Hunt as well, and Onyx Hunt is a software app.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
You download maps for the specific regions, and you can hit a tracking function.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
No, it doesn't. I bet it can. I don't know how to do it.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
I just do it on my phone. I use this mostly for elevation. You can use GPS on it, but it will drain your battery a lot quicker. I don't use the GPS function. This thing will go like 30 plus days without charging. Without charging.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
And monitoring your heart rate, doing all kinds of different shit. It's a flashlight. It's built in.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Built in. It's nuts. So if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight, it's LED flashlight. It lasts for fucking ever because it's LED, because it doesn't draw a lot of power. These fucking things are incredible. But this new one, you guys fucked up.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
It really is amazing. It's amazing how small it is too.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack and walk around, at least catch some signal.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
Like, you know, it's like, OK, great. Well, people always want to say that.
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#2209 - Paul Rosolie
In these areas that you go to, have they ever done any of those LIDAR explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas?
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah, no, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like work, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2195 - Andrew Huberman
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2213 - Diane K. Boyd
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2227 - Adrienne Iapalucci
So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2200 - Kat Timpf
You can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
I think one of the most disturbing things about it is how few people are speaking out when the data is so obvious. And then when you guys lay it out and when people like Brigham Bueller, Andrew Huberman, when any of these people that are very focused on what the problems are lay it out, The data is all there, but yet we're not being told this anywhere other than the internet.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
It's only independent shows that don't rely on executives and networks where there's pharmaceutical drug companies advertising or food companies or any of these things. You don't hear any of this stuff, I mean, other than Fox News has allowed you guys on a few times, right? That's right. They're the only ones. Yeah. Well, kudos to them. Yeah, absolutely. It's a human issue.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
And the fact that people are willing to take money to not talk about one of the biggest problems that we have. I didn't even know about the childhood dementia thing or the young adult dementia thing.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
What are the conversations like? This is really important for people to understand.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
And wanting life to make more sense than just this constant state of fatigue and constantly dealing with diseases. I want to talk about a couple of specific things you said and questions like, why are girls going through periods so much earlier?
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
Wow. So it's just everyone's sort of captured by this thing and nobody steps out of the lines.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
But I really appreciate what you guys have been doing, and I think I first saw you on Tucker, and the details of all the stuff you guys have exposed, it's not, I mean, it's shocking, but it's not surprising. Yeah. It's really crazy. So can we get into this? Like you used to be on the dark side. Let's start with you. Tell everybody your background, like how you got started with this.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
I don't think most people were aware of the problems in regards to the food system, in regards to pesticides, in regards to how people learn nutrition in medical school. I don't think they were really aware of that until about five or six years ago. I think it started to creep into the zeitgeist. I think before that, people just put all their faith in doctors.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
And then I think COVID happened and people lost a lot of faith in the medical system. They lost a lot of faith in the NIH. They saw all the contradictory videos of Fauci saying, you know, you're not going to catch COVID and Rachel Maddow and all that shit. And you're like, oh, my God, this is all a bought and paid for system to promote profit.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
Can I just say one thing about the fructose corn syrup? I'm so glad you brought that up because I didn't know that there was a unique way that it makes it more addictive and kills your satiety.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
Or increases it or kills it rather. Because I'd always thought that sugar was sugar. And this is one of the arguments that a lot of people that are poo pooing all this stuff like, oh, this is nonsense. Sugar is sugar.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
Like there's no difference between the sugar and high fructose corn syrup versus the sugar in an apple.
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
So the apple is probably a bad example, but like cane sugar. Is cane sugar fructose-based?
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#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD
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The reason why I brought up Alzheimer's, there's a couple reasons. One, the amyloid plaque research, wasn't that proven to be flawed deeply and maybe even corrupt? And then there was another, there's something that came out very recently. See if you can find this, Jamie. I think Jay Bhattacharya might have tweeted it.
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Yeah. So there was rampant corruption. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's it's crazy. And it's weird that all these things that you say are so clear and they make so much sense. Yeah, it just doesn't occur being ignored. Well, just it speaks to capture.
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So you were one of the people that helped sort of broker the deal with RFK and Trump and bring the two of those together. Tell me how that got started. Tell me how that worked out.
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It also seems like if this isn't done now, they will take steps to make sure it can never be done in the future.
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It's such a unique time, and it seems like without a person that's a total outsider, like Trump, that's being so attacked. The fact that it's not just that they disagree with him, they attack him, it's that they do it in unison. They do it so coordinated that you realize there is a machine behind this, and that they repeat the same talking points over and over. It's like they're given a script.
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And that there's no repercussions for lies. With the Russiagate stuff, with all the various different things that have been concocted to try to take him out, no one gets in trouble, and the same people are still disseminating the news. And more people, I think, are aware of that than ever before, and more people are aware of this institutional capture.
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Well, and it is getting taken away in some formats. There was something, I believe I retweeted it, see if you can find it, about YouTube taking down a podcast for medical misinformation. And there was none. And this is without Twitter, without X, without Elon buying it, and this person being able to post it. I think it was Schellenberger. Was it Schellenberger? See my Twitter feed? Is it up there?
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Well, this is the... Oh, here we go. It's below the... Hold on. We need people like Dr. J and Power. Maybe I didn't tweet it.
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Yeah No, I know I saved it So give me one second and I'll pull it up off on my phone because I definitely saved it if I didn't retweet it but it's I think one of the things that we keep highlighting that I think is very important is that most people are not even really aware of this.
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This is very new to most people in the zeitgeist of the common person, the common person who has just trusted their physician and trusted the medical establishment. I don't think I think this is it requires a real shift in consciousness of people and a real understanding of what's going on.
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And so, Casey, if you could do the same, sort of explain how you got on this path. You started off with medical school.
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The media denigrates it, but I don't think people have any faith in the media anymore. Even the New York Times, which used to be the number one, I don't think people have faith in the media anymore.
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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's up? Nice to meet you guys. Great to be here. Thanks for having us, Joe. Thanks for coming here. I'm all happy, but this is not a happy subject. I don't know. It's probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are.
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have you anticipated what kind of backlash and how this would be handled like what kind of backlash would you get from these captured institutions if this did happen if trump and rfk get into office and they start implementing these policies and changing things and bringing new people at the helm there's one candidate they're shooting it yeah there's one candidate executive leadership is existential to this issue
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Right, but even if they do get in office, this is my point, what happens? Like, have you thought about this? Like, the amount of money we're talking about these people losing...
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Well, it's also, I would imagine, and if I talked to him, my number one question would be, what happens when you get in there? What is that experience like? Because no one really knows until you're in office. They don't tell you how it's going to go down if you don't make it. They don't reveal all that.
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So what is that experience like, and how can you prepare for it without actually being elected president?
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And there is the benefit of him having already been in and understanding all the red tape and all the problems and all the influences and all the stuff that he couldn't correct in four years.
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I believe it's possible, too, and I think it's incredibly cynical and unpatriotic to think that all Americans are lazy. It's crazy. We operate on momentum, and if you have lived your life eating bad food and being sedentary, you're going to continue to do so unless something jolts you out of that. And if there's a moment in the zeitgeist...
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where a good percentage of people start shifting in a very particular direction, taking care of themselves, and the people around them see that and see the benefits and see these people improve, and then they become inspired to do it, it could have a huge effect on the population. There's a lot of Americans that are not lazy. You know, I'm American. People want to live. Yeah.
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People want to thrive. They want to be energetic. They want to have health. And they want to be successful in life. And one of the best ways to be successful in life is to have more energy to pursue the things you're interested in. Yeah. And the only way you do that is if your body's healthy.
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So you mean you could use tax dollars to give people gym memberships? Yes.
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I think it's also an information ripple effect. And this is why it's so important to have people like you lay this out so clearly is that most people haven't heard it said. I think you guys have said it as clearly as anybody I've ever heard. And the message is so clear and it's so concise. And then it gets out there. This wasn't available five years ago. It just wasn't. I'd never heard it.
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I didn't think that there was medical capture. I didn't think there was a problem with the NIH before COVID. I had no idea that there was this prevailing issue. I would have been the first person to defend vaccines. I would have been the first person to defend the medical establishment. They're working very hard to create drugs to help people with all these diseases, and we've got problems.
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I didn't... People are getting the information now in a way they've never gotten it before through the Internet. And I think because it's not regulated, I think that's one of the things that freaks these people out. And that's why you have people like Bill Gates who have profited tremendously from vaccines.
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and his global health care initiative, air quotes, that this guy would be so bold as to say we have to remove vaccine misinformation when what studies have been done on vaccines? Like you tell me what how clear are you when there is some sort of a correlation? There is a rise in all these issues and there's a rise in all these vaccines and children. And you're saying that the work has been done.
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And that's why this medical misinformation label is fucking horseshit. Yeah. And it's scary that someone of great influence and extreme wealth would be promoting that.
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I think it's also something that truly should be a nonpolitical issue in terms of bipartisan. It's like I know they're labeling exercise and I've seen them even label red meat consumption as being some sort of a far right thing.
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Right. It's all horseshit. And I think most people realize it's all horseshit. It's not like the abortion issue. It's not like immigration. It's not like one of these things that people are ideologically captured to side on one side of the fence or the other. I think it's a fundamental human thing that would resonate with most folks if it starts getting going.
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Well said. I think we might want to end it right there because that was so perfect. Anything else?
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Thank you. Thank you guys. Listen, this message is so important. You guys lay it out so well. And I think people are waking up. I really do. And I hope that this being connected to Trump doesn't put people off. to the point where they're not able to recognize that this is about all of us. It has nothing to do with political party. It has nothing to do with ideology.
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It's just about being a human being and that money and that the pursuit of constant money from these corporations has created this diffusion of responsibility thing where each person inside that organization doesn't feel responsible for the overall result. And that they're not all bad people. And it's not demons running all these organizations.
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They're people that have been captured by a system that's been captured. And it's all about money. And that's why those people cheered when they found out that Ozempic was going to be prescribed for everyone. Yeah. So thank you very, very much. Please tell people, is there obviously your book, Good Energy, that's available.
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Is there a way, do you guys have a website where people can reach out to as well?
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Thank you both. Bye, everybody. Bye.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
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They probably do, but whatever. Yeah. That's my feelings. Whatever. You can't have people fight at 5 in the morning. That's nonsense. You can't have an audience there at 5 in the morning fucking exhausted for a world title fight. Exhausted. Can't believe you're still awake.
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You just have to work hard. That's amazing, man.
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You're calling the shots. Congratulations, brother.
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That's the parade. Yeah. What a picture. God damn, what a great picture. That picture's incredible. That looks like a fake picture. That's like AI.
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That's amazing. Well, I can't wait to see you fight again, man. I can't wait to see you defend your title, whoever it's going to be. I hope I'm there. I can't wait to see it.
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All right, well, congratulations. Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.
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But he wants it to be perfect. Yeah, that was uh it was interesting because it was you could see him Using energy management. You know you could see him trying to figure out when to just defend and when to try to break free and you know when to when to plan himself and fire shots and when to just stay stay on the back foot and keep moving like he tried to hold you off a few times, but
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I think whatever you were doing for strength and conditioning, your cardio was insane. Because the volume, just the sheer volume and pressure that you were putting on him, and the fact that you keep that up solid five rounds, that was insane.
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So you're essentially doing almost like, you're doing like power lifter work. Yeah. You're doing bench press, like just power generating stuff. Yeah. Are you doing any plyometrics or any of that kind of stuff?
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So it's hard to stay above water. Like fat people, they say swimming's not hard. Right, because you got a floaty on. You're literally swimming around with a floaty. You could float. Yeah.
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They're cheating. They got a human floaty on. I remember Maurice Smith was the first guy that started using swimming for MMA. Maurice Smith was training with Frank Shamrock when Frank Shamrock was just a cardio machine. I think Frank Shamrock was the first guy in the UFC that had a full, complete arsenal of MMA weapons. He could stand. He could take guys down. He could strangle you.
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He could armbar you. He could do everything. He could submit you off his back. And Frank was just a cardio machine. And when Maurice went from kickboxing and got into MMA, he was doing a lot of training with Frank. Maurice was super cardio focused. So that was like when he beat Mark Coleman. He beat Mark Coleman because Mark Coleman got tired.
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And then Maurice defended off of his... And that was the old days, bro, when they had headbutt. That was the headbutt days. You know, that's crazy. And Maurice started tuning him up on the feet. Once Maurice got up to his feet, he was just leg kicking the shit out of him. And he was talking to him saying, come on, Mark, ground me and pound me. I thought you were going to ground me and pound me.
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Whack, whack. Like he didn't take any crazy chances. And, you know, so he didn't get taken down at the end, but he won the heavyweight title. It's funny how you say that.
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You're literally the world champion. And this person hasn't even done five minutes of research in the sport you do. I was wild. And I was like, people still think that. You should just start making shit up. Yeah, we made it in alleyways. You know, it's not even. You got to get it on the dark web. I fight with a roll of nickels in my hand. I don't give a fuck.
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I didn't realize there's still people out here that have that mindset. Well, there's people in the news that aren't even humans. They're just robots. They're like media robots. All they want to do is be on TV. They have no opinions, no personality. Oh, I hear you're the champion of street fighting.
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That's such, that's so disrespectful to someone who has risen to the top of the greatest organization ever for combat sports. We all know that, look, I'm a huge boxing fan. Boxing's amazing. I love boxing. But we all know if Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury had a fight fight, That shit would not last one round. There's not a chance in hell if they had a fight fight, a real fight, like an MMA fight.
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Boxing is a sport. MMA is the sport of fighting. It's the hardest fucking thing to do for an athlete. The hardest thing to do is what you did. Become the champion of the world in a tank filled with sharks. It's not saying that it's not if you were a 170-pound boxer. It'd be just as difficult. I'm not saying boxing's not hard to do. I'm not saying it's hard as fuck to be a Ryan Garcia.
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Hard as fuck to be a Javante Davis. Just the same mentality they have, they would have been world champions in MMA. But MMA is harder. It's harder, and it's more effective. It's the real sport of fighting. So for you to reach the pinnacle in the greatest combat sport ever, and this lady to go, you're the champion of street fighting, and you're on fucking TV? That's so crazy.
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Call in Ariel Helwani. Call in somebody. There's somebody out there that can do this. This is crazy. Or do it. One little second of research.
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They're going to be asking you stupid ass questions. Yeah. You should have someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about. They have to have a sports guy. Yeah. Don't they have a sports guy? The sports guy's got to know.
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I have the most powder on my hand when I slap. It's just disrespectful. It's just a bummer that people don't get it yet. So many people, way more people get it now than never got it before. When I first started doing commentary for the UFC, it was in 97, when I first started doing backstage interviews, and people were acting like I was doing porn. They were like, what are you doing?
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Why are you doing that? Are you crazy? I go, I love it. It's great. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, it was like being involved, and that was bad for your career. That's wild. Yeah, Dana and I have talked about it so many times. People would tell people that he bought the UFC, and they'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, God, that's terrible.
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Fighting pro at 15 is nuts. That's nuts. You're fighting pro men at 15.
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They don't have any fucking rules. That's funny. You can fight at 15.
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Do you think there's something to be said for not jumping in too quick? Because I feel like there's some fighters that... They just got rushed, and they weren't really prepared for an elite fighter, and they got tuned up, and they were kind of never the same again.
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I think there's been a few guys like that that I think had real potential, but someone rushed them into a top 10 situation way too quick.
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It's hard to say, though, because Darren Till, when he knocked out Cowboy... See, people have two Darren Tills in their head. They have Darren Till with knee injuries, older, later in his career, and you have Darren Till when he was 170. Darren Till, when he could make 170, and dude, he was dangerous. When he fucked up Cowboy, I was like, Jesus Christ, this guy's fucking terrifying.
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He was ferocious. But he didn't keep that for whatever reason. He didn't keep that level of success. He had mad potential. So I'm not sure if he got rushed or if he just got injured. Or if it was just a grappling game. He was too late taking in the grappling game.
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Tyron Woodley, he fought Tyron when Tyron was in his prime. That was prime time Tyron Woodley, and Tyron Woodley fucked him up. But Tyron Woodley in his prime fucked everybody up. Everybody just thinks about that Jake Paul fight. Get that out of your head. That's an older athlete at the end of his run doing something only really mostly for money.
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I think one of his most impressive performances, two of his most impressive performances are performances that weren't even that exciting. And that's the Wonderboy fight. Because he fought the perfect fight with Wonderboy. He never led. Never led. He's like, let's make it boring. I don't give a fuck. But then when they had exchanges, Tyron hurt Wonderboy. Wonderboy never hurt Tyron.
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Wonderboy is a 57-0 kickboxer. One of the greatest strikers the UFC's ever seen. But he was so worried about those takedowns that he didn't really commit either. And he was always worried about the takedown, which, of course, you know, opens up punches. And Tyron could fucking crack. Tyron could crack back then. When he knocked out Lawler with one punch, like, holy shit. Tyron could crack.
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The problem with Wonderboy is he can do some shit that other people can't do. And one of them is that lead leg. That lead leg's a real problem. Because he's got the best front leg side kick in the business. And he also throws that round kick off the front leg over your shoulder. His first knockout in the UFC. He throws that shit over the shoulder. You don't see it until it's up there.
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And you're like, oh shit, it's too late.
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But he's genuinely sweet. Some guys will do that just to try to throw you off, but that literally is Wonderboy. He's the sweetheart of a guy. The nicest. Which happens to be a killer. And I feel like Wonderboy, man, he's one of those guys –
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He – I feel like if he had gotten into MMA earlier and really learned grappling earlier with that kickboxing – like maybe if he hadn't had 50 kickboxing fights but only had – he was elite at 20 fights in, I'm sure, 30 fights in. Yeah. And really gotten into MMA when he was a younger man. Because the thing about – like he's 40 now or 41, right? The thing about fighting is if you're not cheating –
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You know you're getting into your 40s like there's no way there's no way you're the same guy you were when you were 25 It's not possible. Yeah, so if you don't have the same body to work with it doesn't matter how good the mind is doesn't matter How good we've all seen it from the great champs. They just hung around too long and the body just doesn't perform anymore and
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And they know what to do, but the body can't do it.
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Yeah, I don't think Wonderboy ever avoided anybody like that. I just think he was late to the game, you know, and he was training a lot with Weidman, who's an awesome wrestler. But like he got his first loss in the UFC, I think was Mike Brown.
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And Mike Brown just mauled him, just mauled him. That was Mike Brown in his prime. He was a scary motherfucker.
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He played no games. He played no games.
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You don't want to get him motivated. Yeah, he's the boogeyman. I feel like there's some dudes that, for whatever reason, with Matt Brown, he died. He had overdosed, and he had a serious drug problem. I think there's guys who see the other side, and they come back, and they just have a different mentality.
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They almost lost their life to some really stupid shit, and they have a grip on life that's a little bit different, and a drive that's a little different. There's been a few guys that I know. They were like real heavy drug addicts and got off the drugs and just became performance freaks. Just endurance freaks. Just animals. And like so disciplined.
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You're like, wow, how is it that this guy used to be a drug addict? A junkie. And now this guy's weighing his food and drinking electrolyte-filled water and fucking showing up before anybody and putting in those rounds on the air dime machine after practice. You're like, god damn.
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They're a little extra spooky. Yeah. It's a little extra spooky, those former junkies. I don't know why, man. They're, like, not playing any fucking games. You know, guys that have almost died, they are not playing any fucking games with you.
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It's interesting, because, like, there's different things that make a great fighter. There's a lot of stuff. There's genetics. There's gifts. Some people just have that touch of death. You know, they just have that one shot KO power. Some guys just are born with crazy. Like Cain Velasquez, they said, just has genetic cardio.
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They said that motherfucker could take months off the gym, come in and just smother everybody and nobody could deal with them. They said it was crazy. Like nobody had ever seen anything like it. Like, I think Kane, for sure, was an elite fighter because of his mind, his discipline, his drive, his determination, his skill set.
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I mean, he was, I think, in his prime, there's the argument of who's the best heavyweight of all time, and I always throw Kane in there. I think prime time Kane was, he was a tornado. He was a tornado. You couldn't understand how a heavyweight could be throwing so many punches. He never stopped. And he could take you down. And if you took him down, he didn't give a fuck. You get right back up.
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Like with Brock Lesnar... Yeah. Bro, he was a tornado in that cage.
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He was the perfect model heavyweight in his prime. You know, like 240, not too big. So he has insane cardio. You're never going to see a guy like Francis that has the kind of cardio that Kane has. I don't think it's possible. I think you'd get a trade. With Francis, you get the touch of death. You get that one shot. Everybody's like, oh, shit. Like the Alistair Overeem fight. Yeah. God. Damn!
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He had that crazy, crazy power. But I don't think you get that power with that endurance. I've never seen anybody that has that kind of power. Connor even. Amazing power, but he doesn't have the kind of endurance that some of these guys that have less power do.
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It's a bit of a problem for him, right? Because he has not been tested in that way. And, you know, you're getting up to elite status where you're calling out Jon Jones. Yeah. Right? That's the boogeyman. Jon Jones is the fucking boogeyman. And maybe he hasn't died, but he's probably come out. He's probably knocked on the door a couple of times, like, what's going on, Def? You in there?
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You know, Jon Jones has had some trials and tribulations, but the skill set and the ability to push deep into rounds is nuts. Like, Jon fought... When he fought Gustafsson, he had almost no training camp. They said he barely showed up, like... You know, I talked to Jackson about it, and Greg Jackson was telling me he didn't even train for that fight. Wow.
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And then he pulled that fight off in the fourth and fifth rounds. That's when he really turned it up. So you're talking about a guy who hasn't even been training, and then you saw the real Jon Jones in the second fight. That's motivated Jon Jones, who's like, I'm going to show you what the fuck is really up. And then he just beats the shit out of Gustafson in the second fight.
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Gon is like one of the most exciting guys on the feet. He's so athletic in that style. He's had a weird front kick too. You ever notice his front kick? Like a twisting front kick off the front leg?
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But it's weird because he turns. turns it and snaps it up. So he jabs you with the toes. There's a kick in Taekwondo that's kind of a goofy kick. It's called a twisting kick. And you kind of do it to the face. And it's like you swing your leg up and kick like this. It's like this. But that's what he's doing in a sideways stance. He's just doing it to the body. He's like got a twisting front kick.
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He fucked Bam Bam up. That was like Cyril gone at his very best. A guy like Bam Bam who just comes forward and takes a hell of a shot. He's not scared to take one to give one. I mean, Tui Vassa is one of the most exciting guys of all time, right? Yeah, it's crazy how... But that style. Yeah.
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With Gon, Gon's this elite striker, incredible lateral movement, you know, counter-punching the ability to move out of range and dive right back in real quick. Yeah. But Aspinall is like, we've only seen him smash. We've only seen, we've never seen him be the nail.
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And he took Pavlovich's fight with a fucked up rib. He couldn't even wrestle.
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I mean, imagine you're going up against Pavlovich. You know the only guys who's ever beat him was Overeem. And Overeem took him down, beat him up on the ground. And you're like, I got to get this guy down. This guy's knocking everybody dead. And he knocks them out standing. He's so fast for a heavyweight. But again, you're saying the right thing.
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Like, what is it like in the fifth round with Jon Jones? Because if you can't steamroll Jon Jones and he starts sidekicking your fucking kneecaps... You know? There's nobody better with distance than John.
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I know you've experienced that. Man. Yeah. How many eye surgeries have you had to have?
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They can't say nothing. There were so many doubters, so many naysayers, so many people did want you to get that title shot. It was so unfair, dude. It was really wild. It was wild to see. It really was. It really was. Because I'm like, are you guys not watching his fights? Like, what the fuck are you guys seeing? I do not understand when people don't appreciate excellence. I really don't get it.
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And how long did you have to stay like that for?
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So you're lying. Did you go to sleep in a massage chair?
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Doctors always want you to stop doing what you're doing.
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Yeah, I had a friend of mine who had a detached retina and he didn't go in quick enough. And he lost most of his vision in that eye.
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He had a bunch of surgeries that could never fix it. He said that whoever told him that it wasn't a detached retina fucked him because if he had known right away when he went in to check it that it was a detached retina, he would have been able to immediately get surgery and they would have saved it.
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How gangster is that motherfucker? That dude fought 10 times in the UFC with one eyeball.
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Couldn't see. He memorized the fucking eye chart.
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Well, how about fucking, what's his face? The pirate.
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That guy's crazy. He's only got one eye.
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I watched him fight before he was ever in the UFC when he was on other organizations. And I was like, Jesus Christ, this guy can kick. He kicks like you're thinking he's going to get tired from all that kicking. And he does not get tired. Yeah. It's wild. The volume of kicks. He reminds me a lot of Yair. Oh.
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You know, Yair is like one of those guys like, yo, you better stop thinking about kicking with him. You ain't kicking with Yair Rodriguez. You better figure out a way to get past that shit because that guy can kick in a weird way.
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Like the Sean Brady fight, you see that fight, you don't think this dude is a fucking problem for everybody. You see the Wonderboy fight, see all your fights.
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Right, because you're not so tense you're worried about getting knocked out.
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But it's, like, with a guy like Yair, if you're going to fight a guy like Yair... You got to find some Taekwondo champion and bring him in. But even then, they're not going to know how to punch that good. They're not going to know how to wrestle. So you're going to be missing part of it because Jair can submit a lot of people. He's fucking wicked off his back. His triangle is fast as fuck.
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Yeah, that style is just so taxing. For people that don't see the difference, there's two things in the octagon that are probably the most taxing that you wouldn't really guess. The biggest one is the clinch. Bro, you see guys just get drained after the first round and the clinch, and they go back to their corner, and then everything's coming slower. The punches are coming slower.
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The footwork looks slower. Reaction time is slower. They'll take a shot that maybe they could have got away from because they just don't want to move.
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That guy had that creepy grappling strength where he would get a hold of guys and he'd be like, what is happening here? Like, how is this guy so fucking strong, especially at 170? Bro, Damian Maia at 170 was terrifying. Yeah.
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He got fucked in the Kamaru Usman fight. He got fu-ha-ha-ha-fucked. He got fucked. He got to Kamaru's back. He had one hook in standing up, and they fucking separated him. It is one of the greatest tragedies and travesties in the history of the sport. That one positional change. That is a terrible – I don't know what referee it was. I don't want to call him out. People make mistakes.
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But for Damian Maia, he got fucked because he had Kamaru's back. And Kamaru's only loss up to that point was a rear naked choke in his first fight.
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And Kamaru was nowhere near the grappler in terms of submissions that Damian was. Damian will set traps. He will do shit to you. And he just gets a hold of – like what he did to Neil Magny. Damian gets a hold of dudes and you're like, what is happening here? This is a different kind of squeeze, man. And he got fucked.
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Everything could have changed from that fight. Everything could have changed. So let's imagine the judge doesn't do that. There is a 30% likelihood Kamara's going to get him to the ground and strangle him. Legitimately. You're looking at primetime Damian Maia in the worst possible position. One hook in, he's got your back. How are you shaking him off?
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You got a 30% chance of shaking him off. You're stuck. You got a good chance of holding off until the end of the round. You might be able to stop him from advancing, but it's perilous. This is a terrible position you're in. Damian Maia's on your back, and the referee's like, break it up! There's no action here. Are you a champion street fighter? It's the same shit. What are you doing?
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This is the sport. The sport is this guy is a professional strangler, and he's finally gotten a hold of this guy. Oh, boo. The casuals are booing, so you're going to separate it? This is... It's the worst, for me, the biggest travesty I've ever seen in MMA. That was number one. There's probably been a few.
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If I really had to go over all of them, I'd probably find a few other ones that were right up there.
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I know it's boring. I don't give a fuck. No stand-ups. No stand-ups. I go a step further. No stand-ups. And I think the fight should resume exactly what position you were in at the end of the round.
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Absolutely. I think they have to shut the fuck up. I think everybody has to shut the fuck up and just recognize what you did because you put so much pressure on him standing up. You were in his face from the very first second of the very first round.
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That's a real fight, though, right? That's a real fight. How did you get back up to your feet? The round ended. Yeah. Okay. What are we doing? We're cheating for the striker? Because that seems like you're kind of cheating for the striker. I know everyone's used to doing it this way, but if you want to look at it realistically, the striker has an advantage for the first few seconds of every fight.
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Every fight. The fight starts standing. So in that perceived distance where the striker has his advantage, it starts off with the striker's advantage. So if a grappler gets you to the ground, why do you get that advantage back in the next round?
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And it's the hardest thing to get up. Yeah. So if you can never get up, that's tough shit.
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It's on you. That's the sport. The sport is not, boo, stand them up, just breathe. You know? Here it is. Look at this. Let's look at this again. Take it back from the beginning. So Damien gets the clinch, right? And Kamaru's got an overhook on the left arm, and he's defending so far. So Damien's working towards the takedown.
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Damien sneaks that leg in, and now Kamaru starts to get in trouble because Damien takes that left arm. He goes all the way over and cinches the waist. So now he's pretty deep. The thing that's saving Kamaru here is his right arm. That whizzer on his right arm is the thing that's saving him. But he's in danger. Now he's in much more danger.
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Because now Damian has the hook, and now Damian's pulling that arm over the top of Kamaru's whizzer. So he'll connect his arms. If the referee lets him, what he wants to do is connect his hands in front of Kamaru. Kamaru does not want that. They're hand-fighting right here. But this is a dangerous spot for Kamaru because the only thing that's saving him is that whizzer.
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Without that whizzer, he's fucked right now. And he knows it, and he's strong as fuck, and he's holding on to that whizzer with everything he's got. But Damien is just slowly inching, and he's putting leverage with his leg.
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Yeah, that little back leg is so cool. Yeah, and look, he's further. Now he's even further. Now he can punch him. He's even further. So he's progressing. So he has gotten to a spot where, and the referee is telling him, I guess he's grabbing gloves. The referee's saying he's got to grab the wrist. And he's close to doing like a twister, standing twister. Yeah, and he's closer.
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He's even closer now. Now it's even better. Now it's even better. So now Damien is trying to figure out when he can get his right hook in and what he's doing with his left arm. So the whizzer is still holding that left arm in place, but Damien at one point in time had sort of threatened to creep it up over the top of Kamaru's left shoulder. And that's what he wants to do here.
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You just advanced and you could tell he wanted that space and you could tell it was a different experience than what he thought he was going to get from you.
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So he wants to put all this pressure on, make Kamaru do something to defend all the leverage he's putting on his legs, defend these punches. He's setting up little traps, just trying to open up the space so that he can get that right hook in and that left arm over the top. So he is on the back now, like fully on the back. And then the referee stops him. Wow.
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And this is the first round when they're still driving. Bro, in fucking sane that this referee did this. In fucking sane. A travesty. An unfair advantage. for Kamaru for sure. And then Kamaru caught him with a left hand or a right hand. He's catching with jabs. He shouldn't be in this position now. Kamaru should be still trying to fight out his way out of that clinch. And guess what?
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He might not have fought his way out of that clinch. He was like six steps to checkmate. You know, he was pretty close. Six out of ten, he was in.
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Damien punched his butt, so you don't think a butt punch hurts? He's trying to do something to get Kamaru to react. He's trying to get movement out of him.
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Travesty. Now, imagine. Damian Maia submits him. The world changes. Kamaru goes to that next fight. Now everybody's looking to submit him. Things change. He's not the boogeyman anymore. Somebody just tapped him. Maybe his confidence goes down a little bit. Maybe he doesn't get favorable matchup in his next fight. Maybe he loses again. Damian goes, gets the belt. Yes, Damian gets the belt.
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Things happen, man. Weird things happen. Weird things happen in the sport. You know, that's why it's so incredible when someone reaches the title. When you actually do it, you become Islam Makachev, you become Bilal Muhammad, you get all the way up there and you win the title. There's so many hurdles. Like, you've lost fights. The eye poke with Leon was crazy. You've had bad moments.
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And to get all past that and get to the title.
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There's a lot to that. Yeah. There's a lot to that. There's a lot to that because the guys that come up real fast and super talented and just fuck everybody up and never get tested, I think for some of those guys, it's harder to maintain that motivation because you don't know the downs.
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yeah you know like they just they have a belief in themselves like you know BJ Penn is a good example that in my opinion I always put BJ in the category of one of the greatest of all time I always say you got to look at BJ in his prime you have to look at BJ when he was beating Sean Shirk BJ when he beat Joe Daddy Stevens and BJ was a monster man just a monster he had crazy flexibility unbelievable balance you could try to take him down he would hop around on one leg like he had two
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It was nuts, man. But BJ was so fucking talented that I think BJ didn't really like to work that hard. He didn't really get up for it as much as some of the other guys that weren't as talented. And when BJ wasn't as primed, that's when he was training with the Marinovichs. That's when he was doing those crazy plyometric workouts. So he had this insane gas tank with all the talent of a BJ Penn.
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Like Tyron Woodley, the same kind of thing. You think about them only when they're at the end of their career. You don't think about how good they were. Nobody can maintain that forever. It's not possible.
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But GSP came back and he fought when he was older. He fought Bisping at 85. And GSP, he had gone through some wars. And at the end of that last one, he was just like, I need some time off.
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Here's another one. So let's imagine Tony Ferguson doesn't trip over those wires backstage. So he's about to fight Khabib for the title in Madison Square Garden. He trips over some wires backstage and tears his knee apart. Just a freak accident. Yeah. Just a freak accident that could happen to anybody. Tears his knee apart. Has to get knee surgery. Misses the title fight. Al Iaquinta steps in.
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Has a good fight with him. And Tony Ferguson, the one guy that we were always like, how would Tony do? Because in his prime... People forget, in his prime, that motherfucker was terrifying. He had a long-ass win streak and fucking everybody up. He was cutting people, strangling people. He was a beast, dude. Tony Ferguson was a fucking monster. But people forgot. They forgot.
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They only see Tony Ferguson now when he got knocked out by Chandler. They see Tony Ferguson now when Patti Pimblitt beats him. You don't understand. He's 40-whatever-he-is years old. He's natural. The body just can't do what the mind wants it to do anymore.
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I think these guys just like it. They want to fight and that's all they know. It's different in different people. Some people get out and they go, I think I did enough. I'm out. And they hold to it like Khabib or like Andre Ward. Andre Ward's another one. Goes out on top. Gold medalist in the Olympics. Two division world champions. That's it. I'm good.
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I think they offered him when Canelo fought Kovalev, when he knocked out Kovalev and won the light heavyweight title. They were saying maybe Andre Ward would come back and they were going to throw a lot of money at him. And I think he considered it, but I think he said I serve boxing better in the position that I am. So here's a guy.
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Olympic gold medalist, two-division world champion, speaks perfectly. Nothing wrong with him at all. Very religious man, never swears. I did a podcast with him. He got upset that I said the F word. He did. He called me afterwards like, I didn't know you were going to be swearing. Oh, wow. Because he would want people from his church to listen.
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So now he can't say, yeah, he's got to say, don't listen to that one. Oh, wow. Joe Rogan's got a potty mouth. Yeah. I thought he's a boxing champion. I was going to talk to him like a regular dude. But he's one of the wise ones that said, that's it. Everybody else comes back, man. Marvin Hagler, he was another one. Never came back. So that's it.
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It's a crazy story. But him and Canelo would have been crazy. That would have been crazy. Yeah. I would have loved to see that fight. I want to see Canelo and Benavidez. Like, come on, Saudi Arabia. Throw that money. Throw that money. Let's see that fight. Because if Crawford, if they're not going to have him fight Crawford, which I did want to see. I did want to see. Even though I know it's crazy.
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The Kobe fight I thought was going to be different. I think Kobe broke his foot real early in that fight. Yeah.
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It's a giant weight jump. Yeah. But Benavidez is not a weight jump. That's the right weight. And that guy's a killer.
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And Canelo's like, give me $200 million.
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I hope that Benavidez and him do fight. And I hope it's at 168 because I think that's like Benavidez's best division. I mean, he only fought. He fought that last fight at 75 against a good guy. And he won the fight. But he didn't look like the same guy that he looks like at 68. I don't think that power carries quite as much with those bigger guys. It's a little bit of a step.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It makes a difference. But for Crawford, I think he just wants the big money fight. Like, what is the big money fight? Canelo's the big money fight. You know, Crawford is one of the best ever. He's 36. He's like, maybe this is, you know, let me get one big money fight and get the fuck out of here.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But he's got Boots Ennis, you know, knock on his door, too, which is another amazing fight, but super dangerous. You know, like, just like Benavidez is dangerous, Boots Ennis is very fucking dangerous.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I think when they get to a certain level and they realize they only have a few fights left, they want the big money fights. And Canelo is obviously the biggest money fight. Even though Boots Ennis is a great fighter, most people don't know who he is yet. Yeah. And with Canelo, everybody knows who Canelo is. You get the Canelo fight, that's red panties night. Yeah. You're in. Let's go.
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It's a great thing if Jon can beat him on his resume. It's one more notch that Jon beat the most accomplished heavyweight of all time. But here's the thing. Everybody's sleeping on Stipe. Here's the thing about heavyweights. Heavyweights mature later, and they get, they get compromised later, too. George Foreman won the heavyweight title at 45 years old. And that was in the natural days.
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I think there's maybe not natural. I mean, I don't know what George is doing, but I was thinking of Vander Holyfield.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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But my point is that like heavyweight fighters, I think because there's not as much movement. It's a different thing. The body matures. It takes longer. They're just bigger human beings. I could see a guy that's in his 40s still fighting elite. And we haven't seen Stipe since he got knocked out. So we saw that fight against Francis where Francis just looked unstoppable.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Francis knocks him out, and we haven't seen Stipe in years now. When was the last time Stipe fought? I remember it was at the Apex, and it was in the middle of the pandemic because there was no crowd.
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Which was crazy to see a heavyweight title fight with no crowd. Yeah. It was nuts.
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Wild. Everybody's wearing a mask, hanging over their nose. It's all so stupid.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And we're getting real close to 2025.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So 2025, if this fight happens in November, 2025 is just a fucking month away. That's a long-ass time. But it's also a long-ass time with no head injuries. It's a long-ass time without getting two or three fights, a serial gun fight, another fight, this fight, that fight. It's a long time without getting beat up.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And, you know, he's had time to rest. Like, let the chin recover. Because that's a, you know, I think Daniel Cormier landed the picture-perfect right hand when he knocked out Stipe. But I also think Stipe was probably beaten up from that Francis fight. That Francis fight was not much. I mean, I don't remember how many months.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
How many months was there between Francis, Stipe fighting Francis and then Stipe fighting DC? Seven. Seven months? That's not enough time.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. The year before, that's a different thing. It's the Francis fight was the damage. Francis was... In the first round in particular, he landed some big shots. He was fucking scary as shit, dude. So I think him coming in and fighting Daniel... I gotta imagine...
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He took some heavy blows in that fight and you know, like even if he didn't lose He had to have gotten some damage like he may have been concussed like he got hit.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah hard in that fight and then Do you go right back in a train really? No, you should take a long-ass time with no contact at all and let everything heal up And he probably didn't get a chance to do that. I mean, I think that's also Volkanovski after Islam. Oh, I
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Huge mistake. Two mistakes. One, you don't fight Islam on 10 days notice. You just can't. That just doesn't make any sense. That's crazy. He's so hard to beat. He's so good. If he's not the best, it's you and him for the best, pound for pound. And you're going to risk that on 10 days? That's crazy. And that, again, changes the course of his career, right? That's wild, right?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
If he's telling the truth, though, I think the foot had a big factor because I think he broke his foot. I think Leon checked the kick real early on or he kicked low and hit the shin and broke his foot, hit the knee, something. I don't remember exactly what happened, but apparently in the first round he broke his foot. If you can't move against Leon, you're in real trouble.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Imagine if he doesn't take that fight. He says, I can't. I'm ready for Ilya Toporia. That guy's coming. And he knows how fucking dangerous Ilya is. And so he doesn't take that fight, and then he goes in fresh against Ilya, and you have a much better fight.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Who knows who would have won, but you got to think he was compromised from that. I mean, he got head kicked. Yeah. Head kicked. Shin to the dome, which is just for sure it's going to rattle you for a long time.
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Islam looked like Michelangelo sculpted him. He's so big.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What does he weigh? What does he weigh like normal? Like right now, if you called him up.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So he's losing roughly 30 pounds to make 55?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's big. That's about as big as you can get and keep doing that. That's big.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, easily. He's got real power now on his feet, which is a new addition over the last X amount of years. His stand-up has gotten elite. Like, he knocked down Oliveira. He had Oliveira in real trouble. The Volkanovski head kick, though, and it was also the way he set it up. He kept kicking to the body. Oh, my God.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He can do everything. He's as good as it gets. He's the most complete fighter on the roster because he submits people. He submitted Poirier in the final round. Incredible, incredible submission. But he was winning that fight already.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But then, you know, he can also knock you out. He literally does everything. He's one of the best wrestlers in the sport. His top control and his squeeze is insane.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Remember when he tapped out Drew Dober? He got a hold of Drew Dober. It's like Drew Dober had zero chance of moving. He wasn't going anywhere. He was just crushed. It was like he was fighting a man twice his size.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And tapped him out to the point where you're like, please tap, please tap. Fucking tap. Dude, just tap. Don't let him do it.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I remember Michael Johnson. Khabib got Michael Johnson in that Kimura. And I was like, Jesus, please tap, Michael. God. tap please just tap I was like squirming in my chair because I'm waiting to hear crack because I've seen it like the Noguera fight with Frank Mir remember that yeah you see his arms you hear the snap and you see him like look over at his arm and his arm's like halfway hanging oh
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That's such a scary break. Because this arm is never the same again. It's never the same again.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
No matter what. They're going to screw things in there and bolt things. All your muscles have been cut. All your nerves are fucked up. It's never going to be the same arm.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Break my arm. Yeah, go ahead. Tim Sylvia. When Frank Mir broke his arm. Oh, here it is with no gear.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You're going to make me. Look at this. And he looks down at his arm like, God damn, please, ladies and gentlemen, tap. Please tap. Sometimes you have to tap. I know, I know, but sometimes you got to tap for the future. Did you see that guy Mikey Musumechi fought in one FC and he destroyed his leg? Yeah. The guy wouldn't tap. This fucking guy's an animal. He would not tap.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And I was tapping at home. I couldn't believe it. He broke his leg like three times. He just kept breaking his knee left and right and ripping it apart. I'm watching his knee. I'm like, that's destroyed. There's your LCL. Look at this. This is so horrible. Oh, my God. Like right now, his leg is destroyed. His leg right now is fully destroyed. It's totally twisted. All his ligaments are fucked.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He couldn't walk after this fight. I mean, look at his heel is totally the wrong way. His knee is twisted completely around. That is horrible. Oh, he's going that way with it. Oh, my God. The dude never tapped. The dude got his leg destroyed and never fucking tapped. But he's probably never going to be the same again. Mikey has to have some craziness inside of him just to keep going, though.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's an evil little man. He's a really, really, really nice guy, but he's also got a switch. There's a switch, and he gets into that octagon, and what's that? Why'd you do that to me? That's what Mikey said to him. He felt bad that the guy wouldn't tap. It was a crazy demonstration, but that poor guy. I mean, I got to think, what kind of surgery?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Find out what kind of surgery that guy had to have after that fight.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, I came up before leg locks, so I didn't learn leg locks until late in my jiu-jitsu journey. I was already a black belt before leg locks became the big thing. We already knew about them. I'd seen Dean Lister use them. When Eddie went to Abu Dhabi, I went down there with him, and Dean Lister was tapping people. Dean Lister was the first guy to really fuck a lot of guys up with leg locks.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And a few of those Luta Livre guys were really good at leg locks. They would do them, but Leg locks and jiu-jitsu tournaments were booed.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, man, because they ruined people's knees and no one really knew how to defend them. Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, and a broken ankle. My God. That's wild. He tore everything. Mikey said, I'm sick to my stomach. I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match. I've been training for 22 years. I never broke someone's leg that much. I broke a lot of legs, but that leg exploded.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I didn't know what to do, and it was just disgusting and gross. I really wish he tapped. The result didn't change. Now he's in the hospital, so I don't know. But what a warrior he is for showing his will. That's why you got to choke people. You got to choke people. Some people just, they don't want to tap and they just go to sleep and that's okay. That's Marcelo Garcia's route.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Marcelo Garcia never used Kimuras because Marcelo Garcia, although of course you could do a Kimura, he never used Kimura because he felt like Kimuras were like a strong man's move because you have to kind of yank it and you're resisting the arm. It's not perfect technique. So Marcelo was all about grabbing your neck. He had the nastiest guillotines. Did you ever watch Marcelo fight? Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Oh, my God, dude. I was there live when he fought Shaolin in Abu Dhabi. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was like, what was that dude, the Tasmanian Devil from the cartoons? That was like, just spinning around him, getting his back, and put him to sleep.
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Oh, my God. And nobody knew who Marcelo was. That was what was crazy. A lot of people respected him. Everybody knew he was a black belt. Fabio Gurgel lineage, solid lineage. Everybody knew he was good, but God. Damn.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Oh, yeah. Rutolo and who was the other caddy fighter? I forgot, but that was crazy. I think they said it's on YouTube as the greatest grappling match of all time. Yeah, that was a wild one. The Rutolo brothers are so good, man. They're so good. And again, look, 20 years old, 19 years old, just coming up. The young ones, man. Young and explosive and wild. They do all kinds of crazy techniques.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
They catch Darces from everywhere. And I like the ring they did. Andrew Tackett, who's also a killer. So it was an incredible match. And these guys just went at it. I don't like that ring. It's fun. It's like something different. I don't like it. I don't like it because it's another obstacle. I think they had it right before when there was no obstacles. Like, this is an obstacle, right?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
This keeps you from being able to get upright. It's a thing that you have to think about. This is why, like, I've said this before. I apologize for everybody who's heard it. I think fighting should take place with no cage. It would be easier to see, and I think it should be on a basketball court, and you fight in the center.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
If you can have basketball in the same arenas where we have UFCs, you take an enormous space, you mat it up, you put security around it so nobody can get in, you put ropes up, and guys step in and they fight right in front of everybody.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
No, I think you should have time limits. I think you should even have rounds. But if I was running things, this is what I'd do. Number one, first thing I'd do, cover the fingertips. Why are the fingertips open? They don't have to be open. All you need is the same UFC gloves right now and extend the leather like a mitten over the tips of the front fingers and pull it back in there.
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I think it would help grappling. I don't think it would hurt grappling. So I don't think grapplers would have a problem with it. It would have no difference at all on your striking. you would just pull it like a bag glove. You know like those old Everlast bag gloves? Yeah. But not even as thick. Just have it. So now you have one piece. So you don't have nothing that can go in your eyeball.
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Like we've seen fingers go in eyeballs before. So that would be eliminated. You'd still have some abrasions of the eye. You could still run into fingers like that. It would suck. It would suck less though.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It would suck less. So that would be my first thing I would do. Second thing I would do, nobody gets stood up ever for any reason, unless someone gets injured or some foul or something happens wrong, somebody bites somebody, some crazy shit, then stand people up. And then I think you put them right back down to the position after you take the point away or whatever you're going to do.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But once a guy gets you down, it's your job to get back up. And at the end of the round, if you're on your back and he's mounted you, you start the next round with him mounted you. You put the arm in the exact same place. He had an overhook on the right arm and he's on top and he's got his hand on your bicep. Okay, this is how the round ended. This is how we start.
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Because even if it was just a kickboxing match, there was so much pressure and so much volume of strikes. You were constantly on him. Your boxing was so on point, man. It looked better than it's ever looked.
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And everybody looks at the screen and everybody looks at the guys and they go, three, two, one, fight.
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Because it's not five fights. It's one fight. It's one fight that's five rounds. Why should it start on your feet every round? That's crazy. Why? Because that's how it is in boxing? They come out of their corner? Who fucking cares? That's stupid. Yeah. You got to get better the same way you got sick. You got taken down, you got to get up. Somebody got you down, you got to get up.
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Because if you don't get up, then he's winning. He's figured out a way to hold you down. You don't want to be held down. He's holding you down. So he's winning. Even if he's not doing any damage, he's winning. He's holding you down. Everybody, boo, boo. So what? So it'll affect your ticket sales. So you'll get less money for pay-per-views. So what? But this is what real fighting is. That's real.
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That's the most pure version of the sport that we could offer. Giant matted down space. You make it so that you have security around it so no fucking psychos can rush. You know, you put ropes up so people can't pass it. Everybody's going to have a clear line of sight. No cages in the way. You still have the big monitors and everything like that.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
They fight in an enormous space and you have a danger zone. You got an outside danger zone. And if you keep going into that fucking danger zone, they take a point away. If you get kicked in the nuts, take a point away. You get poked in the eye, take a point away. Well, grab the fence, I think. Take a point away, too. But let's have no fence. Yeah. No fence.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So there's no way to take someone down except taking them down. You've got to actually take them down. You can't get them up against the cage and trip them because their back isn't getting... No, no, no. You have to take them down. On a flat ground with no help. And he's got to get up without the cage. He can't wall walk up to the cage and press his back up and use the leverage. Uh-uh. Get up.
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You're in the middle of the fucking matted area. Get up.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Great for them, too. Bad for them if they get taken down, though. Real bad. Real bad. Because now you have to actually be able to get up. And you're stuck there. And imagine getting up with Khabib on top of you. Has anybody ever gotten up? Dude, that guy gets on top of you. You're fucked.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But that mentality is why that camp produces so many assassins. I was very impressed with Umar. Very impressed. Very impressed. Because I always knew he was an elite kicker. He's an elite striker, too. But to see him fight a guy like Sanhagen, who's so complex, he does so many things well. And to see him dominate that fight, I was like, wow, that's really impressive. That's really impressive.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yo, I butchered his name one time. So bad.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It couldn't get out of my mouth. Like, I don't know what it is. Like, sometimes my mouth just don't work right. And that's fine if you're doing a podcast. You can just say it again.
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But if you're, like, saying it, guys, I was like... Fuck. Like, what did I say? I felt so bad because I really love the guy. I think he's awesome. And especially after the San Hagen fight, I think he's the most compelling contender in that division after Merab.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So after Merab, I think he's got to get that shot. Whoever wins and him against either one of those guys is sensational. That's a sensational fight. That's like elite top. That's like as good as we have to offer today in terms of martial arts talent.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, he's super elite. You know, I think about Sanhagen. One thing I think about is – Here's a bummer. T.J. Dillshaw. Like, T.J. Dillshaw, let's imagine T.J. Dillshaw didn't blow out his shoulders. Because T.J. Dillshaw beat Sanhagen with one leg. Yeah. Which is crazy. And he beat Sanhagen, Sanhagen. Sanhagen that had fucked up Marlon Marais. Sanhagen, Sanhagen. Like, the Sanhagen of today.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You know, that guy is fucking top of the food chain. He's very good. And TJ beat him with one leg and a fucked up shoulder. His shoulder wasn't good back then either. Yeah. It was fucked up. But he figured out a way to win. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but how could it be? He had one ACL. He blew his fucking knee apart. But he still beat him. That guy's had so many fucking injuries.
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If you imagine TJ Dillashaw not having all those injuries and someone talking him out of going down to 25...
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You see how big he is right now? Bro, he's huge. He's like 180 pounds. It's wild. I'm like, that's what I want to be. I wish I was tighter with him because I would have said, do not fucking do it. Look at him now. He's huge. Oh my God. Yeah. His piss would melt that US Donna cup.
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But you got to think, man, how good Cody Nolove was when he beat him, you know, when he stopped him. Dude, TJ Dillashaw was a bad man. Hennon Barau was the pound for pound considerate of number one fighter in the world when he was the Bantamweight champion. A lot of people, he was in consideration. And TJ just pieced him up, and he did it like he was sparring. He was all loose and relaxed.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Dwayne Ludwig, I don't know if you ever trained with Dwayne.
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He's got an incredible system. That bang muay thai system is one of the most complex and well-thought-out striking systems I've ever seen. He's a maniac. He's got notebooks, like binders, with all these moves locked in. If you watch Dwayne fight, though, it's so crazy because he didn't fight that way. Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Dwayne thought he had kind of traditional, like a lot of Muay Thai, a lot of Dutch kickboxing style, nasty striker. But he didn't switch stances all the time and do like TJ. But he figured that out. He figured out that this is the way.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
The constant switching and striking from each stance and the constant footwork and movement and all these patterns that they would get guys to lead into certain positions and do it. It wasn't just like smashing buttons like Stylebender likes to talk about. Dwayne's thought about it as like a real comprehensive striking program. TJ was his best pupil.
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And TJ, when he fought Hannon Burrell, was showing that style in its world-class form. But people forget. People forget how good TJ Dillashaw was. They forget. He has that fight with Cejudo. He tests positive for EPO because he's... literally dying to make 125. He looked like an Auschwitz concentration camp survivor. He did.
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He looked like they just opened the doors and let him out of the concentration camp. He had no skin on his face. His face was just, it was just bones. He looked terrible. And TJ is a big guy for 35. He's big. He's a good, solid, perfect 35-pound frame. And somehow or another, someone talked him into it or he wanted to do it for the challenge.
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chasing that greatness yeah fuck that man fuck that kind of cut yeah cuz he had to be starving to death in camp so he must have been like doing his camp while he was starving literally starting to death like your organs are shutting down your brains not working anymore
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It does change your whole career. And, you know, there's guys that have accused him of doing stuff other than that. And I don't know who's telling. That's what he looked like. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. That is so crazy. I wish I was his friend. I wish I was tight with him back then. I wish he would have listened to someone who said, just don't do that, man. Don't fucking do that.
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You could be one of the all-time greats at 35 and stay there. But you also got to think, how many of his injuries got amplified because of that weight cut? How much body deterioration was he going through and then also going through camp? So he's pushing hard, he's wrestling, he's hitting the mitts, he's sparring, all this while his body's deteriorating.
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So all his mass is down, all the muscle that's protecting his shoulders, which are, you know, his supraspinatus has been missing forever. His supraspinatus has been ripped off the bone from like the beginning of his career.
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Changes your life. Yeah, and you don't grow up right. It's like you're being poisoned from the time you're a kid. Your body doesn't develop right. Who knows what could do to the future of your life? It might have taken a decade or two off of his life.
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I'm sure. I'm sure. Well, how much do you have to cut?
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And is he calculating the calories for each meal and how it's set up? That's where it gets fascinating, right? When they calculate the calories for each meal and they give you the exact right amount.
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Oh, my God. Patty celebrates his eating disorder. That motherfucker gained 40 pounds after his last fight. And that's gonna literally kill him, I feel like. It's wild. It's not good. Well, he's so good, though, man. I'm so impressed with him. Like, he keeps getting better. I thought Jared Gordon beat him. And I thought that fight, to me, that was another one of those fights.
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If Jared Gordon wins, then all of a sudden Jared Gordon's got another big fight, another big fight. He had two blunders in a row. You know, not his fault. The other one was the headbutt with Bobby. Yeah. But the Paddy one was a big one, man, because the Paddy one, he was fucking winning that fight, man. I felt that he was landing the big shots. That counter left hook was sweet. He looked good.
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How much time did you have to prepare for Leon? I had about eight weeks. Did you kind of have an inkling that it was going to happen before that? Had you been preparing mentally before that?
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I thought he won the fight. I thought it was a good fight, but I thought he won the fight. And then Paddy fights Bobby Green, and he looks like a world beater. He looks like a world beater. The strategy was perfect. Stay on the outside. Fuck his legs up. And then you realize how big Paddy is, too. Paddy's a big 50-fiver because Bobby's big.
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Excuse me, King. He's King now. That's wild. Change his name to King. I love that dude. Change his name to King. So King is, you know, he's a tall dude too for the division. Yeah. But you realize how big Patty is. And people think of Patty only as a grappler, but his kicks were on point, man. His kicks were on point.
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I think his legs were getting fucked up.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Here it is. Yeah, I think he was seeing where this was going. Look how big he looks, man. You realize, like, damn, he's a big 55er. And he caught him with that inside low kick. I mean, it might have been just instinct where Bobby just felt like he had to catch it. Excuse me, King felt like he had to catch that kick because it was available. But it was a trap.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a scouser. He's just fun. He looks like he's having a good old time when he's out there. And he can back it up. So that fight was big for him because that fight moves him into elite status, right? He goes from Jared Gordon and now, you know, a couple other fights. Now, bam, Bobby Green, bam, someone's going to be a big name. Someone next is going to be a big name.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So he's thinking right now about Islam. He's thinking about those guys at the top of the heap.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Don't you think, considering the amount of growth that we've already seen from him, though, like if you were in his corner, wouldn't you say, couple more would be good? Couple more, couple more, don't rush.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Right, right. It's a good question. Good question. You know, because Gamrot was an interesting one. We were looking forward to that versus Islam. Like, that could be interesting because he's such a good grappler. But when, you know, people forget about Dan Hooker. They forgot about him, too.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a dog. Dan Hooker went blow for blow with Dustin Poirier. That was as close a fight as you're going to get. And again, another change of the career, right? Dustin moves on from that, gets the corner fights. Dustin becomes the man. Yeah, people forget about that fight. That was a fucking very close fight. A very good fight.
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And there were some moments where Dan Hooker was tuning Dustin Poirier up. There's a video compilation online of Hooker having Poirier against the ropes. Rap, rap. He's ripping shots before the end of the round. He's a bad motherfucker. He's the only guy that fought with a broken arm. He got his arm broken.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Didn't say a goddamn word about it. Wins the fight. And they're like, what happened to your arm? It's just a scratch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, he also loves, he had that devastating knockout loss to Chandler, right? Chandler comes out, catches him with that leaping hook, and drops him, and just puts it on him, and fuck. This is a big, high-profile fight, and he got caught. And anybody can get caught. That's what's crazy about the sport. That's why it's so exciting. Anybody can get caught. But it's like, how can you bounce back?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Can you bounce back and be the same guy after you got caught?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yep, exactly. And so many fighters, they're so tough. They feel fine. Their mind is, you know, their determination is strong. Like, I want to get back in there. Like, that was the case with Jamal Hill. He was going to get right back in after the Pajero fight, and he was going to fight Roundtree. Right. Which is, whew, that's a bad fight if you just got knocked out just a few months ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
No fucking way. Don't do that. You do all that shit when it's over. Because I remember Cub Swanson did a jiu-jitsu tournament and tore his ACL. Yeah, once you tear some shit doing something stupid and you miss a title shot, you're never going to forgive yourself. Yeah. Kalil's like 35. He's up in that age range, too, where it's like, now's the time, man.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So it was perfect timing. And a lot of people are like, Uncle Ive should have got the title shot. But the problem is they already set up that fight with Rakic, which doesn't really totally make sense, right? Yeah. Right? Has Rakic fought since Yuri beat him up?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Okay, so that kind of doesn't make sense a little bit. Yeah. It'd make more sense if Jamal fought Rakic, right? But Jamal wants something a little more high profile. I understand that, but... Uncle I have man. No one's beaten him Uncle I have had that one draw with Jan Boho vich and no one's beaten him Yeah, there's another guy everybody forgets about Jan Boho vich.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What the fuck that guy almost be Peter He was right that was such a close fight super close. Yeah down with the wire. I was like yeah We already saw that like What? What? You've got to give Jan his deal. He was a light heavyweight champion of the fucking world and a destroyer. But for whatever reason, I think they look at that number. They say, oh, he's 40 years old.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's 41 years old, whatever he is now. So what? So what? He still fucked up Dominic Reyes. He still fucks up everybody. Jan Bohovic is a murderer. Yeah. He's a scary dude, man. That's a good fight. And he's Polish, bro. They don't age. He's a killer. That dude's made out of rocks. I remember when Ankalayev and him were going leg kick to leg kick. He was kicking his shins at fucking Ankalayev.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He was just saying, feel Polish bone density. Slamming, slamming those fucking shins into the shins.
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This is the only loss. Against Paul Craig, his first fight in the UFC.
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Oh, yeah, Uncle Ive got caught in a triangle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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That's right. Last second of the third fight. Yeah, last second of the fight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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Oh, my God. Paul Craig has the nastiest triangle in the division, for sure. One of the nastiest triangles in the sport. Look at this. Look how quick he snatches that shit up. Boom, snap, and too late. So here we got, I think there was like five seconds to go when he locks this up. Unbelievable, man. That is wild. So Uncle Ives had this long-ass win streak. He looked real good in his last fight.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And then they give him a guy who... So he beat Johnny Walker twice. One of them with Johnny Walker, it was like a... It was the desert. What happened?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Oh, that's right. And he got mad. Like, why are you stopping it? Yeah. That's right. That's right. But so he has the draw with Jan Blachowicz. He KOs Anthony Smith, beats Tiago Sanchez, beats Volkan, beats all these guys. I mean, he's beaten a lot of guys. I mean, he's got a really good skill set where you think about with a guy like Pejeta because he can wrestle. He can strike and he can wrestle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. So I guess for him, he fights Rockage. I favor him in that fight. But Rockage is fucking dangerous as shit, man. You know, Rockage has had a long time off of the Prohaska fight. And Rockage looked real good in that fight. He was eating Yuri up. But Yuri was just walking through everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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You can't, you can't be getting hit by that guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's targeting it too. He doesn't ever go shin to shin. And even when he checks, he doesn't go shin to shin. He lifts his leg up like he's playing hacky sack.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He just lifts his leg up. He just goes ankle. He just lifts his ankle. So his foot comes all the way up to his other knee and then he drops it back down and he comes in with a right hand. He's got it down where if you try to ankle kick him, he's got so many counters for that calf kick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, he's fighting in Salt Lake City against Roundtree. And that's a wild-ass fight, man. That's a wild fight. A lot of people say, oh, Roundtree doesn't deserve it. Let me tell you something. Roundtree fights like you just killed his family and lit his house on fire. That dude's coming for you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's not going to shoot a takedown. There'll be no takedowns. He's fucking dangerous, man. But if you think about the—Pajero's striking—his overall accomplishments are second to none in MMA. Two-division glory world champion. I mean— And the thing about him is that that fucking power is just freakish.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You see him hit the power cube, and he got 191 on the power cube with a right hand. And that's not even his left hook. Like, hit it. He probably doesn't want anybody to know. Like, hit it with the left hook. That's the sleeper.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Even when he wins, he's never like, yeah! And so he's like, yep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yep, another day. Another day, another dude I put to sleep. Like even after he beat Izzy, he just walked away from him. The referee stopped the fight and he just walked away. But there's something exciting about that, too. Like, that guy's one of the biggest pay-per-view stars in the country, in the world, and most people don't even understand what he's saying. And he's a star, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Did you ask? Like, why didn't I get the fight at 300? If they were trying to get Leon to fight at 300, why didn't you get that title shot?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a huge star. All he has to do is make facial expressions. But also, it's scary. When he comes out with the bow and arrow, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. If you're sitting there watching that guy walk through the cage, you're like, oh, shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, you've got to be yourself. That's either you or that's not you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That face, dude. And the music. That is the most terrifying face. Him walking towards the cage and you're standing there. You've been prepping for this dude for 12 weeks. And you're like, oh, Jesus. Here it comes.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
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The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, there was a weird moment in that fight, and we've talked about it before, where Jamal accidentally low kicked him, and the referee moves him to stop, and Jamal stands up straight and relaxes like, you okay? Yeah. When Poiton puts his hand on Herb Dean, he advances. He makes a little hop step, and then he goes right back to fighting, and he catches him with the left hook.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Oh, especially with that guy. Yeah, especially with that guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, everything changes. But that's moments and fights, you know, and maybe that will define Jamal's career. Maybe Jamal will learn from that and never take his eye off the prize again. Yeah. Never relax. And I guarantee you he won't relax now. Yeah. Protect yourself at all times. And I guess... You know, I see it from Perreira's point of view, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
The referee said, okay, keep going, and he caught him, but he did close that distance because of that low kick. So it is a moment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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You can never relax because it's such a game of impossible things happening at any moment. Because so many guys have pulled out impossible things. Head kicks, spinning elbows out of nowhere. You know, things happen. And if you're relaxed even for a second.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
With like two seconds left. Yeah, crazy. And you're like, how? How did this just happen right now? When Yair landed that jumping roundhouse kick on Andre Feely. Oh. Ooh, the scissor kick. Oh, wow.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. It's so interesting to see all these different ways to get elite. There's so many different ways. Some guys are specialists like Pejeta, and some guys just dominate all aspects like Islam. There's all these different ways that guys achieve to becoming the best.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's definitely something. Oh, no. I mean, for me, it changed my life. Also, when you're in high school, because you're in high school, your body's developing.
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You know, your body's developing where you learn how to take people down. Like, yeah, that helps for sure. But if nothing, by 23 is crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And Abus Magomedov. Abus had a great first round with Sean Strickland. A great first round. But that was like, Sean Strickland is just a zombie. He just marches towards you and you can't hit him. He's hard to hit. But he was fucking his legs up. I was hoping Abus would knock him out. I was like, come on, Abus, please. Bro, he was putting it on him in that first round, but he started getting tired.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
By the end of the first round, he was tired.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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Yeah. Everything was full clip, too. Full speed, full clip. And I was like... Because even at PFL, the way he was killing everybody, he was like... So he was 41 in this fight? Yeah. That's so crazy. So this is the PFL Championships in 2018?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. The rules are the rules. You know, a guy makes it to the top of the heap, he's supposed to be next in line for a title shot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Can I talk to somebody over there? Abus. See, there's a low kick. His low kicks are nasty. He just, for whatever reason, Abus has a hard time sustaining it. I mean, I think he's getting better in the UFC. And I think the Sean Strickland fight was just too quick. Oh, left hook. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Back that up again. Look at this. They go shin to shin. Boom. Oh, my God.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
The distance he covered with that left hook.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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There's another thing about guys who are really good at shooting. That same ability to cover distance when you make a double leg is the same kind of drive that you need to move forward to punch. That's one of the reasons why Randleman was so dangerous. Yeah. You know, because Randleman had that crazy shot. So he could explode forward and punch you from a distance. You really can't punch him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's incredible. Look how much distance he covers. Jamie just broke it down. Look at this. Yeah, he hopped in there. Go back a little bit further, please. Just a little bit further before he throws the punch. He's way back there, dude. Watch this. Look how far away he is. Oh, my goodness. Abus made a mistake that he tried to counter.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
All the purists felt that way. I didn't see anybody who's like a real solid MMA fan who felt that was a lot of the casuals. A lot of the casuals jumping in with their goofy opinions on things.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He was thinking about countering before the punch got to him, and he just wasn't quick enough. That's incredible. Good for him, man. Good for him. And that guy's legit, man. To knock out a guy like that, Abus is legit. Yeah.
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And there's some dudes that can compete at a world-class level deep into their 40s. And I always point to Bernard Hopkins. Everybody wrote Bernard Hopkins off before he fought Kelly Pavlik. And he beat the shit out of Kelly Pavlik. And he just boxed him. He just did everything perfect. It was a master class in boxing.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
A master class in world championship caliber boxing against a guy in Kelly Pavlik, which was... Fucking dangerous, man. Wicked puncher, tough as shit. That Jermaine Taylor fight was crazy. He was out in that fight and came back to stop Taylor. Just a warrior, a real dog. So Bernard was like, how old was Bernard when he fought Kelly Pavlik? When he fought Felix Trinidad, everybody wrote him off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He was like 36 or something by the time he fought Trinidad.
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Yeah, man. Everybody wrote him off. Wow. Bernard was wild, too. He threw the Puerto Rican flag down on the ground in Puerto Rico. He had to run. People were chasing him. He ran? He had to run. They were trying to kill him. Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, he told me the whole story. It was hilarious. Yeah, he's a, I mean, but how old was Bernard? 43 years old when he fought Kelly Pavlik.
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Come on, son. 43 years old. That's so crazy. He beat Roy Jones Jr.
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Unbelievable. Unbelievable. The Chad Dawson fight, bro. He was 46 years old and Chad Dawson was a killer. Chad Dawson was a vicious knockout artist. And he knocked him out in the second round. And then he lost against him in the next fight. That's how good Chad was. Chad was a fucking good fighter. Then he lost to Kovalev. And he lost to Joe Smith Jr., which was a bad one. Wow.
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But he was 51 years old when he fought Joe Smith. And Joe Smith is another one who's a fucking killer, man. He's a dangerous puncher. Joe Smith is a mauler. Dangerous guy.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What do you think of Tyson and Jake? I wish he didn't do it. I wish it wasn't a thing. I wish it wasn't a thing where a 58-year-old guy was going to fight a 28-year-old. That said, that out the window, I fully support his desire to do it. What, is he going to live forever? He's not going to live forever. Maybe he wants one more shot at it. Maybe his body can do one more fight. I don't know.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, not only that, you have a – look, the reality of the numbers is – I had a joke in my act that 90% of all Twitter is done by 10% of the people, and those people are 100% retarded. It really almost is that. I mean, it's a joke, but it's kind of almost true because – Are you commenting on shit all the time? Do you go to someone's YouTube videos and talk shit?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He looks great on the mitts, but that doesn't mean that you know as much as I know. I can look good on the mitts.
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Especially if you're watching 30-second clips. What you want to see is him sparring. You want to see him hitting the bag for multiple rounds. You'd want to see, like, let's see three rounds hard on the bag. I'm going to see what you could do. I want to see how your feet move. I want to see what it looks like if you're off balance when you throw in combinations. Dude, you look like Tyson.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Remember there's some videos of Tyson hitting the bag when he was, like, 19 years old? It's crazy. Watch the speed and the power. See if you can find that. Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag when he's young. Terrifying. Terrifying. That, to me, a bag is different than mitts. Mitts guys are meeting you halfway. You've got a combination worked out.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Okay, I want you to go left, right, left of the body, right overhand. Pow, pow, pow, pow. Okay, do it again pop pop pop. It kind of can look real good. Yeah, but can you do that with a guy who's moving? Can you do can you spar like if would they bring in a world-class heavyweight? Can you do that? Like what? How do you move? How are your knees? How's your back?
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Like are you can you can sustain that? Can you sustain those kind of explosions or is this just a gimmick? You know, I mean, I don't know I know he used to be able to but we won't really know so here's it when he's young Michael Tyson Yeah, kill the sound. You don't have to see the sound. Just look at this. And he's young here, man. Young. So that's him hitting the bag later in life.
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I would want to see rounds, you know? I want to see rounds. I want to see what it looks like when he's tired. How quick does he get tired? I want to see him sparring. I wonder if he's going to spar. Look at that when he's young, man. Dude, terrifying. Those combinations. Show that again. Bro, he was so fast. So fast and always moving. Always moving. Bobbing and weaving.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He was a target that you couldn't find. Just moving at you. Constantly advancing. Just a mindset. Just craziness. Madness. Just controlled madness in there. With perfect technique and ferocious power and awesome genetics. You know, they said that Teddy Atlas told me that when he was 13 years old, he would bring him to smokers and they would go, how old is that kid? He's 13. He's 16.
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That's wild. What? Yeah. That's God. He got a gift.
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That's a man. I'm going to pull a guard. I said, box it. Fuck this. Yeah, and he scared a lot of guys before they even threw their first punch. You'd see the look. I remember Bruce Seldon. He missed a left hook of Bruce Seldon, and Bruce Seldon went down. He's like, fuck. Fuck all this. Fuck all this. Fuck all this.
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Yeah, but he's 58, you know? I support him. I love that guy. I fully support. I'm a gigantic fan of his. Me meeting him the first time I met him at the UFC, there's some starstruck moments where you meet people, you're like, oh, shit. That's Sugar Ray Leonard. Oh, shit, that's Mike Tyson. I was one of the most starstruck moments I ever had. Really? Couldn't believe I was meeting Mike Tyson.
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It's wild, yeah. I did a podcast with him. I was like, I can't believe I'm talking to Mike Tyson. He was such a huge part of my childhood. When I was a kid was when he was coming up. I have in my office framed the cover of Sports Illustrated when he was 19. Wow, really? Yeah, it says Kid Dynamite. See if you can find that.
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You're busy. You're busy being the fucking welterweight champion of the world. You ain't got no time for that. So the people that have time to be doing that all the time are, unfortunately, generally not doing that good. Michael Jordan's not leaving YouTube comments. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Oh, no, no, no. Someone gave it to me recently. It might have been Sports Illustrated sent it to me. I don't know who sent it to me. Do you know who sent it? Somebody sent it to me. Thank you, whoever did it. I forgot. I'm sorry. But that's the cover. That's framed in my office.
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Okay. So that was right before he won the title. He won the title when he was 20. So I was just out of high school, and he was the guy. Heavyweight boxing had gotten boring. Nobody cared. After Larry Holmes, people were bored with heavyweight boxing. There was a bunch of champions that nobody heard of. It was like they weren't really interested.
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No disrespect to any of those guys, but they didn't excite the public the way Muhammad Ali did, the way George Foreman did. Heavyweight boxing was kind of dead, and then all of a sudden this dude comes along. You're like, oh, my God. And he was doing everything you wanted a heavyweight to do, just starching people, just sending them flying. He'd hit them with left hooks. They'd go flying.
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You're like, look at this guy. He's going to become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time. And then he fights Trevor Burbick and knocks him out quick. How much were pay-per-views back then? Oh, my God. I don't remember. But I remember a lot of times people wouldn't want to buy Mike Tyson pay-per-views because they knew the fights would be over so quickly. It was nuts, man.
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So this is, is this a documentary? It's his kid Dynamite, 1985. Oh, so this is him in 1985. Yeah, this is him when people were just starting to hear about him. And he came through the ranks quick. Just was fucking everybody up. He was having a hard time getting fights. And everybody thought, this is the guy. This is the next destroyer. I mean, he was just killing people, man.
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Everybody he fought was getting fucked up. Oh, my God. Just that head movement on the inside is just wild. Everything. And the power. That's what you wanted to see from a heavyweight. So that guy is still alive. And he still remembers all these moments. It's not like he doesn't know how to put his knuckles on your face. The question is, how much does he have left in his body?
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58 today is not 58 when i was 21. it's a different 58 especially if they're not testing him okay if they're letting him take hormones and peptides and do all the things that i would recommend 100 i don't know how you could do it if you're 58 if you're not doing that if if he's if they're allowing him to do all that stuff and get his body to the optimum level that's known to science
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It's like the people that are engaged in these attacks on specific fighters in particular, they're usually just dorks. And I get it that these dorks buy pay-per-view, and I get it that these dorks... But they're not most people. Most people want to see the best people fight the best people. And would it be exciting to see Islam go up and try to win at 170? Fuck yeah, it would be.
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You're dealing with a different kind of human being. You're dealing with one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. It's just how much does he want to do it? Is he doing it for money? How much does he have left in the tank? Those are all questions that will make me buy the pay-per-view.
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Yeah, that's right. It's free. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. 100% I'm going to watch it. I'm going to feel bad if he gets knocked out. Yeah.
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But, you know. Those are his most recent comments about the fight.
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Tyson addressed the meeting with his usual boldness during a press conference to show his readiness for battle. He said, I'm just ready. I'm ready. I'm going to talk my talk and do my shit, but I'm ready to fight.
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Is he really a young killer, Tyson said, discounting any questions on his readiness, reacting to Paul's taunting Tyson's need to postpone the fight because of an ulcer flare-up earlier in the summer. Former champion made a strong statement about his unmatched abilities. He said, I feel a lot better now. Who else can do it but me? Who else is going to fight to make this happen?
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You got a YouTuber fighting the greatest fighter that ever lived. Ooh. I want to hear him say that.
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We also have to remember about Mike Tyson is that Mike Tyson knows how to mentally prepare. He was trained by Customato, who was a hypnotist. And Customato started hypnotizing him when he was 13 years old. Really? Yeah. That was part of the reason why he was so terrifying. His mindset was just unstoppable. He really thought that he could not be stopped. He thought he was going to murder everybody.
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And Cuss was his hero. Cuss raised him. Cuss took him in when he was 13 years old. He had this terrible childhood. No love. Just...
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in and out of trouble, terrible, bad situation, horrible poverty and crime, and then all of a sudden he's being taken care of by this dude who's a master boxer, master boxing coach, he trained world champions like Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson, and now he's got this young pupil. This is his last hurrah and the greatest shot he's ever had at having a real all-time great.
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I mean, this guy's an all-time great and he's 13.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a 13-year-old, 190-pound kid. Like, what in the fuck? And he's got this kid, and he's hypnotizing him. And he's telling him, you're the greatest. And he's getting it into his head. So from the time he was really young, he was learning mental preparation. He was learning how to put himself into a mindset of just an unstoppable juggernaut that had one goal, one task.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And Cuss would tell him, you don't exist. Only the task exists. Like, you don't exist. What you have to do exists. That's what you are. Wow, that's powerful. I'm going to write that down. Yeah, so the question is, how much does that guy have left? You know, conventional wisdom would say this is a terrible fight.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Conventional wisdom would say there's a 28-year-old with knockout power, just knocked out Mike Perry. He's real fast. He's young. He's fucking athletic. He's bold as shit. He's a good boxer. He's a very good boxer. People don't want to give him his credit because he's a YouTuber and all that shit. Anybody who knocks out Tyron Woodley with one punch can fucking crack.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Anybody that can move the way that dude moves and have a fight with Tommy Fury, who's a world-class boxer, and he lost that fight, but it was a very good fight. He's a good fighter, a real good fighter.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I'd be all in for that fight, unfortunately, for you. I mean, it sounds great, but... If I was running things, I'd be like, the fights are going to be fucking great anyway. It's UFC 300. Everyone's going to be super hyped up. There's so much on the line. It's a crazy fucking card. That's a great fight. It's a great fight. Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It would have been interesting to see him fight Mike Perry bare-knuckle, though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That changes everything. Mike Perry is the best at that shit. It's interesting how that's a different sport, because it really is a different sport. It's a whole different thing when your hands aren't covered and you feel those bones piercing your skin.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. It's like. He's a 100% human pit bull. That's a 100% human pit bull. That guy has no quit in him. No quit. You know, he fucking throws caution to the wind at every possible occasion. You can hit him. He's going to hit you back. He knows how to take punishment. He likes it. He likes getting hit. and he broke Rockhold's teeth. And I was like. Broke Luke Rockhold's teeth.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well imagine, okay, how about him and MVP? Okay? Him and MVP with the gloves on in an MMA fight, you favor MVP, right? I favor MVP. MVP is super hard to hit. He's got crazy distance management, those kicks in that distance and the long length. But he decided to take a challenge and fight Mike Perry bare knuckle because he thought, look, I can move better than anybody.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I am the most elite mover in all of MMA. And I'm going to fight this flat-footed meathead psychopath. Yeah. And that flat-footed meathead psychopath just walked him down. And dropped him a couple times in there. Yeah, man.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's tweeting for fun. Apparently Mike Perry has a piece of Bare Knuckle too. Oh, does he? Yeah, I think that's what he said. He's like, I'm one of the owners too, motherfucker. He's the face of it.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I think regular boxing is just very different. It's very different. What you can get away with, the fact that you can't really clinch and punch the way those guys do. In bare-knuckle boxing, those guys are getting grimy. There's a lot of dirty boxing in there. It's just so different when those bare knuckles touch you. It's just so different. You can't guard as much. Still stuff's getting through.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You don't have the big cushions in front of you. Those big cushions mean a lot, man. They stop a lot of shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, like you remember them old-timey boxing guys?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
They all were holding their punches like this. Those bare-knuckle guys, they all fought like this. They jabbed each other like this. They were just trying to only hit with these two knuckles.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You know, if you punch someone like that on purpose with an eyeball, like that's real.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. So, I mean. But how weird was it to have to do the fight at like 5 in the morning? Oh, my God. So, let's explain that to people who don't know. The UFC that was done in England was done on American pay-per-view time. So the card had to start, what did it start, like 1 a.m.? Yeah, it started, yeah, the first fight was 1 a.m.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I think in MMA a lot of them come from this. A lot of them come from that distance management. Yeah. And I think that's, ooh, I think one point every time. Poke someone's eye, one point. And no one will ever do that again. Everybody will keep their hands closed.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You poke someone with the fingers one time, one point.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's just such a natural instinct to try to push a guy away from you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And if a guy's coming at you and you're trying to push him away, those fingers go right in there, man. You see the Wyman fight?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
The referee should have stopped that. Should have stopped that on that last eye poke for sure. But maybe he didn't see it. Maybe he wasn't in a position to see it. Yeah. It's just... It's hard.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yes, that's right. And that was another one of those situations, the same kind of situation where you're like, that's not a stoppage. He's standing up. He's up. The last one, he got hurt harder by Bojalio. When he got dropped, that looked worse than the fight where he got stopped previously.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's crazy how those little moments in a fight can change the entire career of a fighter. You never know. Like at any moment, something screwy can happen, you know? So is this it? So here it is. Imalvov is hitting him with some good shots for sure. Jared's definitely getting hit, but he's firing back and the referee stops it. And he's like, what the fuck are you doing? And Herzog's a good ref.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a very good ref. And he faced some serious criticism after that fight. And I think, you know, he made a mistake.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You know, he was probably trying to save Jared from further punishment. He thought it was over. But Jared was like, I got a lot left. I was not as badly hurt as you thought. You know, the thing is, the problem is when a guy is teeing off on you, even if you're not getting hurt, it looks bad. Even if you're moving away and covering up and you're getting out of the range, you're stumbling around.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It looks bad, but you could still come back, and you've got to give the guy the opportunity to still come back. You don't let him take shots when he's out, but you've got to give him the opportunity to be able to come back. And when a guy's standing and still throwing back, you've got to give him a chance because fights are fights. Things change.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
First fight of the night, 1 a.m., undercard, UFC fight pass, first fight of the night. That's crazy. That's so crazy. As if we can't watch it earlier in the day. As if UFC fans on a fucking Saturday are going to say, oh, the pay-per-view starts at noon. Okay. We watch football games at noon. We watch world title fights at noon. Making you guys fight at 5 in the morning to me was bananas.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Guys, he might have got burned out from that because he emptied the gas tank. We've seen that happen many times.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Everybody's baffled by Driscus. Oh, my God. Like, what is going on? How's he beating everybody? Like, what is going on? It's wild. He's a bulldog. That dude, I was stunned. I was stunned by the Adesanya fight. I was stunned. Because Adesanya was looking good. He was looking good. But Drikus was looking good, too. And Drikus was landing a lot of leg kicks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's got that real sneaky left high kick, too. That left high kick comes out of nowhere.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's a tank. He is a tank. He marches forward, man. And the way he capitalized, he hurt Izzy with a couple good punches. One good left hook, he hurt Lizzy, and Izzy moved away, and then they got into another exchange. He hit him with those two right hands from the clinch, and then got his back. And once he got his back, it was like that.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He went right to the choke, right to the choke, and cinched it up. I mean, between the time he hit Izzy to the time where Izzy was tapping was just a few seconds.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I always wonder, and I wanted to talk to him about this, is if he's ever considered doing like one of those Marv Marinovich type camps. So Marv Marinovich, they had this philosophy that the most important thing was your gas tank. You already know how to fight. You already know how to fight. All your getting better has already been done.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And in the six weeks or eight weeks, whatever your camp is, you should be only concentrating on cardio. And they would do these explosive plyometric things. BJ hated it. He hated it. But if you look at his gas tank from those fights, it was unstoppable.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And when a fighter's not tired and the other fighter is tired and you realize all that work has paid off and you start putting it on him and you got this unlimited gas tank and you also haven't been beat up in training for six to eight weeks because you're really not sparring. You're really not doing much of anything other than your cardio. They're just doing plyometrics.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's all just jumping around and shit. It's all... Have you ever seen Marlboro Innovative? See if you can find... Marv Marinovich trains BJ Penn. They had BJ doing all kinds of wild shit.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's all they would do, man. Wow. That's all they would do. Nick Curzon came on the podcast. He was a protege of those guys. And that's his philosophy as well. He was telling me that it's really an elite fighter that's fighting in a world championship fight. They already know how to fight. You just got to give them the unstoppable gas tank.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And if you concentrate only on that, it's the most important thing. Because when a fighter gets tired, like when Izzy got tired in that fourth round with Drikus, you could see he's not the same Izzy in the first round that's like lightning fast and moving and countering and controlling distance and getting out of the range of shots. This is an Izzy that's experiencing fatigue.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But he already knows how to fight. The fighting is in his DNA at this point. He knows how to fuck people up. Yeah. Here's BJ training with the Marinoviches. So it's all these plyometrics, even with the arms. It's all this explosive shit. Everything is done for time and distance, and they measure everything.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And he just breaks guys down physically to the point where when they get into that octagon, they just have the craziest fucking gas tank of all time. It's an interesting philosophy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Eli Alex Pineda spots Israel Adesanya injury. Draws partial confession from stylebender. He said, this guy knows me. Said Izzy was injured.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He said he was noticing that he wasn't throwing kicks like he might have been injured. And then Izzy was like, it's almost like this guy knows me or something. So he's sort of admitting to being injured, but not.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, they clash shins a bunch of times. I mean, it could have happened in the fight. But the problem is he was still tired.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He's still tired. I mean, I'm sure he was injured. It's a crazy fight. You get injured.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What is the worst injury you ever went into a fight with?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I was like, that is so contrary to anything you would want from optimum physical performance.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, they always say that you should do that anyway, like really elevate your heart rate and then cool down and then compete.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
You're already loose, for real loose.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And you're going into the fight completely warmed up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Like you're much closer psychologically to a fight than just hitting mitts and then all of a sudden someone's throwing back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What is the food you take before you train?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. Well, having, you've gone through camps with Ramadan and that's where it gets, and you, we should tell people, there's ways to kind of make that a little easier on yourself where you sleep during the day and then you get up and then at nighttime, once you can eat and drink, then you do that. But you don't do that.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And you can't drink water in between rounds? No. So you're training with no water?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's interesting. So you got to treat it like you're cutting weight almost.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Okay. Yeah. So that it carries you on at least a little bit in the morning. Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, now it's about your legacy as a champion. Yeah. And exactly all the things we were talking about before, the little thing can change your life, a little loss here, a little loss there. Fuck all those taking those fights on 10 days notice. Yeah. If the UFC calls you 10 days before an event, change your number. Change your fucking number, man. Don't let them talk you into it.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Come on, you can beat them. I know you work out all the time, and you start thinking, yeah, I do work out all the time. And they're like, we're going to offer you X amount of money. You're like, oh, shit, that's a lot of money. And you start spending that money. Exactly.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It just means it's safe and healthy. It's simple, real food from people who care about what goes into your dog's body. The Farmer's Dog makes it easy to help your dog live a long, healthy life by sending you fresh food that's pre-portioned just for your dog's needs. Because every dog is different. And I'm not just talking about breeds.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So you have to temper that mindset. Yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
you know you have to think about the overall big picture because what got you to the dance is that mindset like anybody anytime let's go who am i fighting i'm ready i'm ready i'm ready i don't know but now once you got the title so you got to keep the dog but you also got to be intelligent about what fights you take and when you take them yeah and no one don't fight injured you know there's so many guys take fights i had a broken foot coming into this fight like what
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So who do you think is next? There's talk of Shavkat and there's talk of Kamaru Usman.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I think for legacy, Usman's an important name. Also because Usman probably won't be fighting that much longer. You know, he's kind of at the end of his career. And I feel like the UFC owes him a little bit something for the Hamzat fight. Takes Hamzat on short notice. Yeah. That was like 11 days notice too, right?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's crazy. That's crazy. And it was close. Very close. And he was winning the third round. Yeah. But I was going to say earlier about Oliveira and Saryukian. Like that's another fight where I felt like that is a five-round fight. That should be a five-round fight. And Charles almost caught him a couple times in that fight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I'm like that's a wild close fight between two top of the food chain guys. It seems wrong to have that fight three rounds. Especially for number one contender status.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And he almost caught him a couple of times. Yeah. He got real close a couple of times. And Charles is, I think he's the most successful finisher with submissions in the history of the sport.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, but the last one was so fucking close, and it's against Saroukian, who's the top of the food chain. Yeah. That 155-pound division, whew. It's... What happens if Islam decides to go to 170?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So what if you're going to... Okay, let's assume you beat Usman, let's assume you beat Shavkat...
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Islam would go to 70 and you'd go to 85?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, Drakus is talking about going up to 205 and fighting Alex, which is crazy. So maybe he vacates the middleweight title, or who knows, maybe he goes double champ status.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
If Hamzat wants to fight, and, you know, I think Hamzat's at 70 is the scariest Hamzat.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
What did you eat? You eat a whole ostrich? What the fuck did you eat?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, that's the real deal. And he looked great in that fight. Yeah, he's a real contender. There's so many real contenders. Yeah. And your division is just so filled.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's what we're talking about, though. That's what it was.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He was doing that same kind of workout with Nick Curzon.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Curson? I'd have to reach out. I bet he still does. I know he was training a bunch of other athletes in a bunch of different sports as well. But his whole thing is plyometrics and foot strength and your ability to move and continue to move. It's interesting because I see both ways. I see like, look, Sean Strickland is the craziest fucking cardio of anybody, right?
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
So did you try to stay on Chicago time the whole thing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Because all that guy does is spar. He's fighting every day. He spars more than anybody in the UFC and he gets hit less. That's nuts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's nuts. So his cardio is from his being completely comfortable with fighting all the time. And I'm sure he does other things too, but most of which, if you talk to Nick Sick and all those guys that train with him, most of the stuff what he does is spar.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
He just loves sparring. He loves getting in there and sparring.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
But he doesn't get hit much. The reason why he's so good at that, first of all, that style is so weird. Stands straight up. Has the Philly shell and throws punches in weird angles and he's just peppering you, peppering you, peppering you, keeping them on you. Keep to the body, front kick to the body, peppering you, keeping on you. It's a weird style, man.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah. I was shocked at that fight. But that was a good example of how hard he is to hit. He's fucking hard. I mean, because I think, you know, for some reason, I don't know what happened, but I think that... I think some fighters, they just have, like, when Stylebender beat Bohemia, like, he was kind of a different guy after that fight, you know? There's some guys, they have a fight...
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And for whatever reason, they never are the same guy again. And it's not even a bad beating. It might be like a psychological thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
When Izzy dry humped him. Izzy has the best celebrations after any fight. The fight with Pejeta, when he knocks Pejeta out and he shoots the three arrows into him, that's the greatest.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I don't think he said he did think about that. I think he just did that in the moment. In the moment?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Well, you know, Alex always shoots arrows at you in the beginning.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's the best. And then the speech afterwards makes it even better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
knows man I don't know if Izzy wants to fight that dude again I don't think he wants to fight him at 205 I think 205 you don't get a drained Alex Pejeta you get a destroyer yeah what he just did to Prohaska everybody's got to be nervous all he has to do is one shot just touch you once and I think at 185 he doesn't take a shot as well either yeah I think that draining of your body and you know your brain dehydrates the whole deal yeah and Drick has said if he fights him again he doesn't want any excuses so he doesn't want Alex to come down to 85 he wants to go up to 205
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's just too dangerous. It's weird. It's like some guys just have weird power.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
It's weird. It's different than everybody else's by a magnitude. So a large gap between his power and everybody else's. And with everything. With kicks, with punches, anything he hits you, that scissor knee that he hit Michelinus with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
How have they done London cards in the past? Did they do that in the past?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
That's the only time Strickland spars light. Strickland goes in there and spars with him. He's like, let's just touch each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, fuck all that. And he's talking about going to heavyweight, which is even crazier. Him against Aspinall would be wild, though. Wild. But you got to think Aspinall can take him down.
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JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
I think Aspinall, the moment he realized, if he can hit him on his feet, he'll try. But if he can't, the takedown's always there. And he's so much bigger. I mean, Aspinall's a solid 255.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Wicked on the ground. And he's had nothing but success. Other than that one time where he fought Curtis and his knee blew apart. But that's just a freak accident.
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
Yeah, it's a crazy sport, man. It really is. And for you, what a journey to be 23 years old and step into a gym for funsies. You know what I'm saying?
The Joe Rogan Experience
JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad
And being able to do that kind of a fight, a world title fight, your first world title fight, at five in the morning in another country. Bananas. Yeah. Just a crazy accomplishment. Enemy territory. Enemy territory. People dying.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
So tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I'll just go with what I have right now. Why don't you put it up for me? I am. It's up. Oh, okay. So this is just a... It's the only one I've found so far.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's why I'm on Twitter, because it wasn't coming up in a search engine.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
That's crazy, too, how quick stuff can be suppressed and disappear.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
It's a fact check I found. I think this is what he said.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Updated, because... This isn't updated, though. From the first thing I found, which was... It says November 18, 2023. Right, the original thing we read that said 1,000 months from September, so it was 60 days before this.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah. Period? I mean, I found the website that has their names listed.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Here's what I looked up. I typed in Maui Fire people missing. When you click on the first thing, that says how many people were missing in the Maui Fire. That's what I clicked on that you read. The date on that is September.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Click on that. It's down to two. That's what I said. It's on the website. It has two people listed.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Yeah, I think it's just saying over 1,000 were reported missing. There was over 3,000, according to the other thing, were initially reported missing. That means they could have found them the next day, found them two days later, three days later, an hour later.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Self-coverage problems and all sorts of stuff. They couldn't contact people, maybe. Yeah. A lot of possibilities, I feel like.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
I just listened to a book on this. It's one of the myths that come from that. Not that it never happened, but they said that it didn't really happen. Jamie's a party pooper. Y'all notice that? Yeah. It was a great course on Audible.
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#2208 - Brigham Buhler
Oh, about the—that they, like, raped the peasants' wives or whatever on their wedding days? Like, there might have been one king or a couple, like, aristocratic-type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't, like, a thing that happened. Regularly. Yeah.
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#2197 - Mike Baker
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#2080 - John Reeves
And I think a lot of now are invested in this. And specifically since the when the bone rush yielded results. And now people know it's true.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Undeniably. Undeniably. Steppe bison, jawbones, they're not supposed to be at the bottom of the East River exactly where you said to look for them. What are the odds of that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, you're the man. You're the man. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you, sir.
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And so this is some sort of a joint. Is that a femur? Is that the top of a femur?
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#2080 - John Reeves
People have always eaten the marrow, and that's how they do it. I mean, if you get marrow now, that's how you do it.
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How are they seeing things at the bottom of the East River?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think the utility of it is just a coincidence, honestly, because it doesn't look like it's been worked at the bottom.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I mean, I'm sure they have used some of these before like that for something. But if I had to guess, I would guess that this is just something that they did to get at the marrow where all the good fat is, you know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They could have been. They certainly could be some sort of a thing that you could drink out of. Certainly the right size for a good shot of vodka. But so were there supposedly people living in that area back then?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, at least we know you didn't come up with evidence that the saw is older than 5,000 years old, which is one of the things that we're thinking.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So this is one piece, and this is a jawbone, correct? Yes, sir. Of a step bison.
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#2080 - John Reeves
How much of a recorded history do we have of that area from 200 years ago?
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#2080 - John Reeves
None. So was it mostly like, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life of the Taiga? It's about people who live in Siberia right now to this day, and they live this incredibly primitive life. Really all they have is snowmobiles and some hand tools.
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#2080 - John Reeves
and uh you know maybe some chainsaws and most of what they do is just living off the land trapping fishing hunting that's it yeah and they you know they're the very low instances of mental illness everybody's very happy all these communities of these people living together just you know surviving living off the land subsistence lifestyle but i don't think there's
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#2080 - John Reeves
much historical record on those people you know the people that are alive there right now if they were to die off 200 years from now what evidence is there of them other than you might you might find some stuff that they did you might find some trees they cut down or some some logs or whatever is going to be around still 200 years from now they'll be preserved
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, like let's talk about that. Like what different animals did they say didn't live there that you personally and your company has found evidence of?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, and he found another bone, right? Yes, sir. Looks like a leg bone. Yeah. Right there, yeah. So this is his Instagram is Dirty Water Don on Instagram, and that's another bone that they found right there. Yes, sir. And so they know roughly the location, and it's kind of amazing that this stuff was dumped in, was it the 30s? When was this dumped? In the 40s. The 40s. Yes, sir.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they didn't think they were around back then? No. Why did they not think that elk were in that area back then? Because elk are in Alaska. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. But that's it. It's just they didn't find the bones.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think it is important because these museums are run by these academics and academics, unfortunately, some of them tend to be very arrogant. And they want to be able to control whatever narrative they have or whatever information they have, and they don't want to be open about it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And so you've never been given any explanation as to why they haven't done this research? No.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They just didn't feel like it. Is it because they don't have the resources or it just wasn't a priority for them and this was all done from the 1940s and there's no reason for them to go back and take that stuff and reenact the research or begin the research?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do that. That seems to me an incredible opportunity to attain enlightenment on an area that's fascinating. I mean, have any academics reached out to you after the podcast? Not that I know of. How not? How not? I mean, me just finding your Instagram page, I was like, Jesus Christ, how does this guy have all these bones? This is crazy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What is this place? This place seems like, what an amazing, fortunate find that you guys have this one spot, 2.1 acres, and probably a whole lot more around that area that you just haven't uncovered yet, that has this incredible wealth of bones.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So this stuff was dumped. That's outrageous. That's an outrageous photograph. How dare you, Don. This stuff was dumped in the 40s, and to this day, this is the first time that people have actually gone looking for things, correct? Yes, sir.
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#2080 - John Reeves
We're trying to figure out how to display it. I think I'm going to have a stand built and just have it sit out there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Once I get a ranch out here, I'll do that. I'll put it on the ranch truck. There you go. No, that's not good.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. What an amazing, amazing spot you have. Do you ever stop and just think how insane it is?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, it just seems to me that this is an extraordinary opportunity to gain some understanding.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that's why I don't understand why these universities or someone hasn't reached out to you and said, hey, we need to really have a full-scale investigation and find out what happened here. This is an extraordinary place. And it may... unlock a lot of pieces to this puzzle as to what happened to humanity.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's clearly some indication that we have a very limited understanding of the history of human beings in terms of What took place where we're starting to uncover these immense structures that seem to indicate that people had very complex construction methods many thousands of years before we thought they were capable of doing that? Many thousands.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They'll go back to Itapi, which is buried 11,000 plus years ago, back when they thought people were hunter-gatherers. And that's just what we found. And now they've done through LIDAR that whole area around Gobekli Tepe. They found tons of these things. They're all over the place out there. And that's how many more of these spots are there on Earth that we just haven't found yet. Who knows?
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Who knows? And your area where that... Have they done a core sample where they've gone through that carbon layer to find out what year that all took place yet? No. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Running a business ain't easy, especially a small business. You have to wear a lot of different hats to keep things running smoothly. And when you have to do everything on top of hiring...
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Well, proven true now. It sure has been. The museum still continues to deny it, though, correct?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Now, why did they dump those in the East River? They just needed the storage? I don't know. They just had an abundance of them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, so some of them they dumped and some of them they gave away.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It is. It is, and it seems like what's happening with your bones and your property and the lack of, I don't want to say if it's a lack of interest. I'm sure they're interested, but the lack of action. It's symbolic of a lot of the problems that we have in our society today. Mismanagement, man. Massive. Massive and a confederacy of dunces that are running the show.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that's, you know, they have too much on their plate. Why are they going to talk about some fucking dude in Alaska who's out of his mind? Blowing water into the side of permafrost, pulling out all kinds of crazy skulls. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Imagine that being the best case scenario in 2023 with all the information that we have today, with AI, with chat GPT 4.0, soon to be 5, with all the technology we have available, all the understanding that we have available. And we're still just want everybody to just leave us alone.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, it's better than them helping us. Yeah, we don't want it. Yeah.
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And the British Museum, have they given any sort of an explanation of what they did with that saber-toothed tiger skull? No. Somebody's probably got that in their living room. Yeah, they do. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So they were supposed to research them? What were they supposed to do? There it is. Sabertooth Tiger Skull. Wow. A million dollars at auction. Yeah. Wow. That's 2019. I know a guy who has one of those. He's a very wealthy guy. And he actually has a real saber-toothed tiger skull on his desk in a plexiglass case.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, just like that. I think that's how he got it. I think he got it at an auction. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Good question, right? It's probably yours. He probably bought yours.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That was a good-looking skull. That's a good-looking skull. Yeah, his is a good-looking skull as well. His is fully intact. Yeah. No, mine wasn't that good. How many of them do they have that are fully intact out there in the wild?
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It's now the 10th largest city in the country. It's a little tiny-ass city at one point in time.
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That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know.
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I don't know how that shit works either, but boy, they love football out here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I went to the UT game. It's massive. Boy. Just the college team out here. Holy shit. Yep. Crazy. Wild. It's like a religion out here. Football is nuts out here. Yep. It's crazy. Yeah. It's a fucking cool place to live, too. Yeah, it's awesome.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Ha ha. Mmm. Mmm. So tell me, what the fuck is going on? How is it? How's things cracking? First of all, congratulations on being proved correct and that there are literally mammoth bones, bison bones, all kinds of bones in the East River. You said on this podcast, Dirty Water, Dan went out and looked for them. They found bones. They found multiple bones. It's real. It's very real.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I've gone down to South Texas to do some hunting. And the place that I went to, they actually found a dead migrant on their property. And he said, it's not uncommon. It happens quite often. Poor guys get lost and try to make their way across and run out of water. They do it in July and just die out there, unfortunately.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Right. That's probably the problem. The problem is you're honest.
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Seems to be the opposite of management. Seems like a concerted effort to flood the country. It sure does. And not just this country. Seems like it's happening all over Europe. It's real weird. It's a weird time.
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#2080 - John Reeves
This is the only time in my life that I've ever wondered, like really, really wondered and seriously considered the fact that there's some puppet masters that are slowly orchestrating the collapse of civilization.
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#2080 - John Reeves
AI is going to be able to do a really good job of recreating the kind of conversations that we've had but they're not gonna be able to really recreate human stupidity. I don't understand what happens when people get drunk. I don't think AI is going to be able to recreate, protect our parks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't think they're going to – there's certain aspects of just genuine human chaos that AI I don't think is ever going to grasp because it doesn't have a soul.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's already going. I mean, I think what we're seeing right now is just really the tip of the iceberg of their capabilities. And I wonder, you know, I had Sam Altman on, who was the head dog at OpenAI, and they kicked him out and they brought him back in. And there's some sort of weird explanation of why they kicked him out. And they were saying that he wasn't forthcoming about something.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Mark Twain was the shit. Yeah, wasn't he? He really was. Boy, was that guy ahead of his time. You know, a lot of people credit him for being the first stand-up comedian. I didn't know that. Yeah, because stand-up comedy is a truly American art form. And it seems like Twain... was the first guy to do it.
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And the concern is that... this artificial intelligence has reached sentience like it can think for itself it can it could act on its own it can create things it can do it literally is a life form now it's going to be it's going to be at one point in time an artificial life form has it done it already it's very possible
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, then it goes deeper than that. Well, there's a couple ways it goes deeper than that. First of all, in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that I think is, I think it's, what is it, one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy? Something along those lines? So the larger the galaxy, the larger the supermassive black hole.
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And there's real speculation that if you went through that black hole, you reach another universe with also hundreds of billions of galaxies.
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#2080 - John Reeves
each with hundreds of billions of stars each one of those galaxies has a supermassive black hole you go through that another universe hundreds of billions of galaxies hundreds of billions of black holes go through them hundreds of billions of galaxies new universes everywhere and then there's dimensions this is the real speculation when you know when people start talking about uaps and
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#2080 - John Reeves
Alien life, and there's two thoughts. One thought, well, there's more than two thoughts. One thought is that they are us from the future. Another thought is they are us from their people, their things, their intelligent life forms, maybe even artificial intelligence, something that has been created from other galaxies that is... physically transported here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then the other thought is there's interdimensional travel, that there are beings from somewhere that are capable of visiting this dimension that we exist in, but they exist in something. So they are here all the time. They're just here in a way that we have no ability to access them, but they can access us.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Cause essentially what he would do is read his humorous works in front of people and they would all laugh. So he would, you know, be playing to the crowd. And, uh, it was one of the first iterations of standup comedy was Mark Twain. And he obviously is very funny guy, very insightful and humorous and so many great quotes from this one individual, you know?
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So these are other supermassive black holes that are just in our galaxy? Yeah, there's the Milky Way.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know. Yeah, go inside that and you find another universe. Yeah. Which is weird that like the universe is so big we can't even wrap our head around it and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The tip of the iceberg is not even a good way to describe it. It's a grain of sand. Maybe it's not even a grain of sand. Maybe it's an atom. Maybe it's not even an atom. Maybe it's a subatomic particle.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And maybe the whole thing is fractal. So maybe what we are and what this planet is. I mean, I'm sure you've seen when they look at – have you ever seen a map of the known universe in comparison to a neuron in the human brain? See if you can find that. it's entirely possible that it's just constantly, if you constantly expand further and further out, that this entire universe is an atom.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's a part of a much larger organism that exists in another universe that is infinitely large, that is impossible for us to grasp our head around. So that's a brain cell, and that's galaxies. And when you look at that, I mean, goddamn, those things look the same. They look the same. Neural network and the cosmic web, they look the same.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And if they are the same, if that is what a brain cell is, and that the entire universe is a part of the brain of an infinitely large individual that's a part of of a civilization that also exists in another universe that's a part of an infinitely large being that's a brain cell of that. That universe is a brain cell of that thing. And then it just keeps going and going and going and going.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And even the idea of the Big Bang is just like, maybe not. Maybe it's always been here. Maybe it's just constant. And maybe it's God.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It could be. That's just how... it's sort of designed that the, the thing is designed to like the only reason for us to advance. And the only reason for us to create civilization is that you can't live in where you are without structure. You can't live where you are without agriculture. You can't live where you are without controlling resources.
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And so then as they fight off the predators, they develop better weapons. As they fight off the Mongol hordes, they develop better methods of protecting civilization and societies. And it just keeps expanding further and further and further, all of it to encourage technological innovation.
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So they left you in the rain, and then nobody has spoken to you since, or what? They don't talk to me. What are they afraid of? It's not even them. You've got to think, this is all done in the 1940s. Everybody who did it is probably dead.
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And that without that strife, without the problem, like with the problems that we have in the world today, what if they didn't exist? Everyone's like, oh, we'd have utopia. But would be? Would we? I don't know. I mean, it seems like we're designed for chaos. We're designed for constant struggle. And maybe that's like an engine problem.
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#2080 - John Reeves
To further encourage innovation and to further encourage society to progress further and further and that you have to battle against these evil forces. You have to battle against incompetent government. Otherwise, you have no motivation to do better.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You know, it's crazy. Right. Why are you making them more infectious, more dangerous, more deadly? Why are you taking viruses that were never designed to infect humans and didn't exist in the human population and you're engineering them? Why? So you can study them? So you can get research money? What are you doing?
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, we shouldn't be, but... But we are. But again, maybe that's part of the design of how the human race evolves, that it has to go through these things in order to have an incentive to restructure things and get better. I don't know. I don't know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The problem is also our personal timeline of being a human being is so limited and so short that by the time you realize how fucked everything is, it's sort of the end of your ride. Have you ever read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler? No. It's a great piece that was written by a guy who was a general.
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who, it was in the 1930s, and at the end of his career, he wrote this piece called War is a Racket, and what he thought he was doing versus what the motivation for these military actions actually were. See if you can find that, Jamie. And it's a very famous piece that was written by Smedley Butler.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, the book's not very long, but this is a great quote. War is a racket. It's always been. It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It's the only international in scope. The only one international in scope. It's the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
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And he wrote this very long piece explaining all the military campaigns that he was involved in and what they were really about. It was about making things, you know, protecting bankers, protecting the investments of oil companies and all the different things that what he thought they were and what they really were. I spent 33 years in active military service.
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And during that period, I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street, for bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. And he wrote that in 1935. Wow. Yeah, and he had figured it out by the end of his tenure. When he was looking back at his career, he was like, Jesus Christ, I thought I was doing the right thing.
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So they just don't want to address it. So do you have lawyers involved? Like what's going on so far?
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#2080 - John Reeves
No, it's a lot of speculation. And until the Younger Dryas impact theory, the main theory as to the extinction event was the berserker theory, that human beings had become such effective hunters. And by the way, this preceded the invention of the bow and arrow. This is the atlatl, which is essentially like a better method of throwing a spear.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like, I have this thing that I throw a ball for with my dog. Yeah, we got one of those. You know what I mean? It's like a cup at the end of it, a long stick, and it allows you to whip that ball really far with leverage. And they had something along those lines that they would throw a spear with. And, you know, you probably could kill some young mammoths with that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You could kill some stuff. But kill them all? No. No. I don't think so either. I think it was an impact event.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, this seems like they're going to have to – I mean, there's just too much pressure now. With the fact that they've actually found real bones in the East River, that there's no other way they could have gotten there. I mean, just how else are you going to find a step bison bone in the fucking East River? It's clear that they dumped that stuff.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's a company in Dallas that's going to supposedly bring them back. You know about this? Mm-hmm. They have, I think, an Indian elephant, which has a large percentage of the DNA that a woolly mammoth has, and then they're going to splice that with whatever DNA they have of woolly mammoths, and they're going to recreate woolly mammoths. How far away are we from Jurassic Park?
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How far away are we from some asshole putting a fucking dinosaur in Costa Rica?
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And so you think they're trying to do it effectively with William Mammoth first?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, I've always said that if the moment they tell you they can clone humans, the person telling you is probably a clone.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you know, they're doing it right now with human pets.
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#2080 - John Reeves
With people's pets. You can get your cat cloned. You can get your dog cloned.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Well, there was a group called the Second Coming Project. Yeah. It was a while back where they were trying to use DNA material from the Shroud of Turin to clone Jesus.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That guy. I think, though, the Shroud of Turin has been proven to be fraudulent in that I believe it's only 500 years old. So it's not really Jesus' image that was in the cloth. And it looks fake. You ever seen the Shroud of Turin? I've seen pictures of it. It's a little hokey. Yeah. Looks like what someone 500 years ago would make. Look, I found Jesus' covering. This is what he died in.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that looks like, you know, when they find, like, the Virgin Mary in a fucking grilled cheese sandwich. You know? Shroud of Turin, okay, is a length of linen cloth that bears a faint image of the front and the back of a man, has been venerated for centuries, especially by members of the Catholic Church, as the actual burial shroud used to wrap the body of Jesus of Nazareth.
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after his crucifixion, and upon which Jesus' bodily image is miraculously imprinted. The human image on the shroud can be discerned more clearly in a black and white photograph, photographic negative, than in its natural sepia color, an effect discovered in 1898 by Secondo Pia, who produced the first photographs of the shroud. This negative image is associated with the popular Catholic devotion
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to the holy face of Jesus. The shroud's authenticity as a holy relic has been disputed even within the Catholic Church, and radiocarbon dating has shown it to be medieval artifact, with the main image created via prolonged differential exposure of a prepared fabric to bright sunlight.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So the documented history of the Shroud dates back to 1354 when it was exhibited in the New Collegiate Church of Learie, a village north of France. The Shroud was denounced as a forgery by the Bishop of Troyes in 1389. It was acquired by the House of Savoy in 1453 and later denounced. deposited in a chapel in Chamboree, where it was damaged by fire in 1532 and 1578.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The Savoys moved the shroud to their new capital in Turin, where it has remained ever since. So what is the... What was the years that they found it? Yeah, scroll down a little bit. In 1988, radiocarbon dating by three different laboratories established the shroud's linen material was produced between the years 1260 and 1390 to a 95% confidence level.
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Defenders of the authenticity of the shroud have questioned those results, usually on the basis the samples tested might have been contaminated or taken from a repair of the original fabric. Hmm. Yeah. But imagine if that's how Jesus comes back. I mean, you know, the whole idea is that Jesus is eventually going to come back when the shits hit the fan.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Like, okay, guys, I'll let you try it on your own forever, but now I'm back. I mean, what better time for Jesus to come back when they've figured out a way to fucking make humans out of DNA? That would be a good time for Jesus to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Don't you guys have bigger problems?
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I wouldn't know what to teach it. Because I would want it, if it was going to be me... It would have to make all the fucking mistakes that I've made. And I would try to tell it, hey, don't do that. But you can't, because it has to make those mistakes in order to really appreciate the negative consequences of those actions.
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I was the Lockheed kid, which is probably how I turned out the way I am. But the... The baby, if I had a baby me and I was raising, I wouldn't raise it that way. I'd bring it to the best schools. I'd take care of it, give it hugs all the time. I'd give it all this love. It would have no motivation to be the kind of person that I am today, who is motivated, at least in part, by neglect.
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If that's not reason for the aliens to land, I don't know what is.
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Well, all I'm doing is... All I'm doing is going after what I'm curious about. That's all I'm doing. All I'm doing is approaching and engaging with things that I'm curious about. That's it. This whole thing is run basically with three people and my iPhone. Literally. I don't, there's no, no one's telling me who to have on or what to do.
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And you know that because how you and I have booked these podcasts, just you and me text messaging. Hey, what are you doing? Come on back.
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It's fun. And I think that's part of also the reason why it's successful is that people know, Even though this is on Spotify and there's a massive corporation behind it that distributes it and all that, Spotify leaves me alone. At the end of the line, it's just me and Jamie. I mean, the people that are making this podcast, the people that decide things, Jamie and I, we just have conversations.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's just me and him. Just talking. What do you think we should do? That's it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's also why it's interesting. That's also why it resonates with people. People don't like it. Like if you get your news from CNN, Jesus Christ, how many fucking people are behind that thing? How many executives and producers and how much –
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's hilarious. The way they talked back then was so strange. What a weird way to talk. Why did they all choose to talk like that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
financial influence is involved in everything that gets on the air how much incentive do the people that have that are saying those things what how are they being pushed how are they being motivated by progressing their careers along the same path what lines are they not willing to cross what toes they not want to step on what narratives are they are they pushing you don't trust it
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's just too much nonsense. And also the way they talk, like the way those old timey, they had things to worry about more than just a caveman. Like that's phony talk, right? That's the modern phony talk is the phony talk of the people that are the broadcasters on MSNBC. That's modern phony talk. People don't like that. It doesn't feel right to them.
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#2080 - John Reeves
When they talk to a guy like you, it's like, look what I found. I fucking sprayed water at the permafrost. I found this. I know this is the guy who actually found it. I don't have to deal with an institution. I'm not dealing with a museum. I'm not dealing with a university. I'm not dealing with a board of investors. You're dealing with one guy. That's what people like.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Very weird. It's like when they first heard themselves recording, I would like to sound a little more fancy.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because it's the only thing that resonates with a human being that's listening to this on the other end.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Could you? I mean, it's a million dollars for a saber-toothed tiger skull. You know, how much is it? I mean, how many millions and millions and millions of dollars are all the bones that just the AMNH has?
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#2080 - John Reeves
How many? How many? I mean, if you put them up for auction? Hundreds of millions. Oh, yeah. A lot of money. Meanwhile, it's just on your Instagram. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's pretty dope. I love it that it's actually the bone. You see here, folks, the chunk has been sawed off, carbon dated.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I wonder what kind of a saw they had back then, 200 years ago.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's just so fascinating to think back to 200 years ago, the actual human that sawn through that. And then as it goes through time, frozen into the ground, pushed out with water, found by you, cut and sent to get DNA tested and carbon dated. And then it comes back to here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, you have found evidence of human beings, right? What's that one bone that has a human face carved into it that you've? Yeah, that one.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That looks a lot like the Shroud of Turin, by the way. Doesn't it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's the Virgin Mary in a grilled cheese sandwich. What? Paleontologists told you that's natural? Natural, and I look at it. Cut the shit. Cheeks, nose, mouth, eyes.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm a boner. Yeah, that does not look even remotely natural. That looks absolutely like a face that was carved into a bone. Why would they say that that's natural? That's so silly. It is. It's so silly to say that because it just makes you look stupid. Because that might be natural under the craziest of circumstances.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It might be natural that a symmetrical face with eyelids and eyebrows and cheeks and a nose and a mouth and... I mean, everything about it is carved.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Very similar. But the idea that that is natural is just fucking stupid. Come on. Come on. So stupid. Has that been carbon dated? No. No?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I mean, it might be. Under the craziest of circumstances, it might be natural. But if you had a bet, if you had to bet everything you had, put it on red or put it on black. I'm putting it on someone had a fucking stone or a knife or whatever it was, and they carved that face. That looks carved as fuck.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. I think it looks at 99.9% of the population. Yeah. Other than people with a vested interest in it being natural. Yeah. Yeah. For what reason? Just to push a narrative? Like why would you say that that's natural?
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's so stupid. You have 100 times more than that just sitting in a fucking warehouse that you've never sold.
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#2080 - John Reeves
How crazy. Let's show the images of what you have that you haven't sold just so people understand how silly that is. Because you have photographs on the Instagram that show massive amounts of tusks and bones. That's just one day right there. That's just one day. Yep. We'll go and scroll down because show the warehouses Jamie because he's got warehouses What is that the cave drawings?
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#2080 - John Reeves
What does that scroll back up that art the one in the middle a little right above the guy with the guitar?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I rode an elephant in Thailand. You can ride elephants. They domesticate them. If you treat them right, they'll let you ride them. Yeah. The fossilized creature. The mummy? Yeah. What is that? Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Down. It's right up here. Is it up there? No, you had it. It's a little down further, buddy. There it is. There it is. What is that little fella?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Scroll back up a little, Jeremy. Little down, little down, little down. What is that to the right? Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
A boxer? I don't know. Yeah. That one guy, the heavyweight champ.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's not the first one we have. We've got another one in another room somewhere. Yeah, we have a—what do we have? Another walrus dick. Fossilized walrus bone. I don't know where it is. Anyways, that's— So this is a walrus dick.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, which tends to happen with dick bones. Sometimes.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that's right, baculum. That's the technical term.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So is it because they don't have the funding to do the work on them and they just want to store them because they're pack rats? Like what are they doing?
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#2080 - John Reeves
So this is in the AMNH. This is all your stuff that they think you're going to sell if you get it out of there, which is hilarious.
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#2080 - John Reeves
What really fascinates me is the skull on your T-shirt. What skull? The one on your T-shirt. That one? Yeah, that one. Finding some of those there. The problem with finding some of those there, though, that would change everything in terms of, like, who goes and who can look at it. Right? You want another one? Can you fill me up? Sure, I can. We can talk deeper. Right? That's the problem.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think you called him the dude. Yeah, the dude. The problem with the dude is then it becomes archaeology, right? Yeah, dudes are archaeology. Yeah, and dudes mean that the university's common or whoever, government's common.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So if hypothetically, completely hypothetically, if they found a dude that's 40,000 years old, then shit gets wild. Sure could. Because if they found this dude in the same level of permafrost where you're finding woolly mammoths.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Also, is it anatomically modern? Is it Denisovan? You know, the type of humans that they found in that cave in Russia? Completely different branch of humans?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, they found, I don't know how much they found, but they found bones that are from, I believe this was like, I want to say 2007-ish, 2017, somewhere around there. Real recently, they found this new branch of the human tree that's called the Denisovan. When did they find that, Jamie? Yeah. James is going to look it up. But they were in Russia.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's many versions of human beings that coexisted apparently. And Homo sapiens were the...
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#2080 - John Reeves
First portrait of extinct Denisovan human relative created from pinky bone DNA. Wow. Denisovan girl shown with dark hair, piercing eyes, and a broad face. So it was a completely different kind of human being. Not a Neanderthal, not a Homo sapien. Something different.
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#2080 - John Reeves
More than 100,000 years ago, modern humans in Eurasia lived alongside Neanderthals and Denisovans, two other hominins that have since gone extinct. While much is known about Neanderthals and how they lived, Denisovans have remained enigmatic because only a handful of bone fragments from the ancient group have ever been found. But now they have a good idea of how Denisovans looked.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In a study published Thursday in the journal Cell, scientists took DNA from a Denisovan pinky bone found in a Siberian cave in 2008, there it is, and used it to predict Denisovan anatomical features. I wonder how they did that.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, that's all it is? Wow. That little tiny piece of bone. How much Denisovan bones have they found? Degraded DNA molecules from a group of human relatives who went extinct tens of thousands of years ago have been reassembled using a new technique yielding a genetic code for the mysterious Denisovans that meets the standard for modern humans.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The findings are based on samples drawn from 40 milligrams of ground-up bone from a Siberian girl's finger. Imagine that. They can tell it's a girl, too. How do they know what gender it is? Why are they misgendering this poor Denisovan?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Scientists saw a much less detailed genetic sequence they produced a couple years ago and addressed some of the deep questions surrounding the Denisovans, but they also raised a few new questions, including a basic one. Just how old was the sample that they analyzed? Wow. Is that all they found? Google how many bone fragments have they found from Denisovans. Thank God for scientists.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, it seems like it. It is. Well, let's talk about that because one of the things that you have found is a layer of carbon, a layer of dark carbon that seems to indicate a mass fire.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In Tibet. Wow. They made it with Neanderthals. Wow. Hybrid bone reveals in live science. Click on that. What year was that when they figured that out? That was 2022. Wow. So from 2008 to 2022, they're finding more and more of these bones. Closest known extinct relatives of modern humans were the thick-browed Neanderthals and the mysterious Denisovans.
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#2080 - John Reeves
A bone fragment from Siberian caves, perhaps of a teenage girl, has revealed the first known hybrid of these groups. A new study concludes the finding confirms inbreeding that had only been hinted at in earlier genetic studies. Very amazing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
A number of now extinct human lineages not only lived alongside modern humans, but even interbred with them, leaving traces of their DNA in the modern human genome. These lineages included the stocky Neanderthals as well as the enigmatic Denisovans, known from only a few teeth and bones unearthed in the Denisova cave in the Altai Mountains. Click on that now extinct human lineages.
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#2080 - John Reeves
How many do they have? They got a tooth. Wow. The scientists have just completed sequencing the entire genome of a species. Scroll up. It was above it. Of a species of archaic humans called Denisovan. The fossils consist of a finger bone and two molars from the 16th lineage.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Scientists don't know the precise age of the material found, though the estimate ranges between 30,000 and 80,000 years of age. Wow.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Somewhere. Yeah, somewhere along the same lines as the oldest shit you found in the boneyard.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that's what's really crazy is that the sheer amount of material that you guys have excavated is just a drop in the bucket of what's still there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And that where the animals are, it's so unusual that there are so many bones in this same sort of layer of
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#2080 - John Reeves
that exist in one place that something had to happen for them to all die in that one spot and this is something that randall carlson has pointed out before um you know they found the other places where i forget where the other places were was it siberia where they found massive amounts of mammoths that were all in one area that seemed to have died instantaneously some of them with like broken leg bones seemed to have died because of an impact or
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, and also the thing about this whole climate change argument is climate's never been stable. It's not like before humans it was ever like flat, like you could predict it every year. Oh, September 13th, it's going to be 75 degrees. Nope, it's never been. Never, ever. It's always been up and down. It's a constant changing environment on this planet.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It exists within a range where biological life can survive, but... Have you ever seen those structures that they found under the ocean outside of Japan?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Fascinating. It's called Yanaguni. And they've tried to say that these things are natural, naturally occurring. But Graham Hancock has dived with them and many other people as well. And there's right angles and there's portals. There's all this stuff down there that just doesn't look at all like something that's natural. It looks like some ancient structure.
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#2080 - John Reeves
that was under the ocean a long, long, long time ago. Look at that. There's corridors and steps. They have no idea who made it, why. It's just this immense structure that's underneath the ocean.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So the museum dumped bones that belong to your property out there in the East River, and they're still out there for people to find. How many pounds were dumped, roughly?
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'm sure they do. It's 165 known structure of unknown origin, 85 feet underwater, the southern coast of Ryukyu Islands in Japan.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. It's insane. But what's really insane is the pathways and the corridors and these things that just don't seem to – the right angles that exist everywhere. Yeah. that just absolutely don't seem to be natural. They seem to be carved. It seems to be something that someone made a long fucking time ago. Graham Hancock is absolutely convinced.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He's like, when you swim down there with those things, there's no way. There's just no way. There's no way that that wasn't created. And who knows what it really looked like how many thousands of years ago before the water erosion, before whatever the impact did to it. You know.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Especially if you put them in Russia. Yeah. Yeah. If they get a steady population of them in Russia, someone for sure is going to say, do you want to hunt a woolly mammoth? We can make this happen. We can make it happen. How much money do you have, my friend?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Imagine if you could follow the timeline of the animal roaming around to being converted into jewelry.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, that's a nice one. Yeah. No one's gotten high off this yet.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I wouldn't do that to it. But I'm sure you guys do sell them. I'm sure there's people out there that have gone into space smoking weed off of a mammoth bone.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Look at that. Oh wow, so he sells them. Mammoth ivory full size 1911 grips. Wow, that's beautiful. It's just crazy that there's so much of this stuff that you can make stuff off of it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't know if you play golf. No, I don't. I'm scared of golf.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, wow. Yeah, I've got the guitar picks for Gary Clark Jr. Oh, nice. Ball marker and guitar pick. All right, Jamie.
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#2080 - John Reeves
No. You need to mark your ball. I don't have the time. Nah, we could try. I'm scared of golf. I've never played a game of golf. Golf absorbs your time. It scares me, too. Let's play nine holes. Yeah. The nine holes leads to me being a fucking golf junkie like Tony Hinchcliffe and you and Ron White out there playing every day. Imagine the foursome.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It would be a good time. I said I'll go with you guys and just get drunk.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's Elora's stuff. I'll do that. All right. Nice. Wow. Beautiful. Incredible. Yep. It is amazing that you could – there's so much stuff that you could make things, make jewelry and make pistol grips.
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#2080 - John Reeves
That has a mammoth ivory joint and a mammoth ivory butt cap that my friend Eric Crisp of Sugar Tree Cues makes.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, he's from Alaska. And he has mammoth ivory that he puts inside pool cues. It's beautiful. See if you can Google Sugar Tree Cue with mammoth ivory joint because I know he's made a few of these. He doesn't have a lot of the material, but he's made a few, and they're absolutely beautiful.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I'll connect you with him. All right. He's the man. He makes some of the most beautiful pool cues in the world. And he's an interesting guy, kind of like yourself. He doesn't give a fuck. He makes them when he wants to. Sells them if he wants to. I can't give him money. He just keeps giving me cues. I've never been able to give him money for them. I'm like, you've got to take some money.
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#2080 - John Reeves
He won't take any money. He'll sell them to other people. Yeah. But have you found one that has mammoth ivory?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, that's his. That's 100% his. I can tell by the ring work. So that's mammoth ivory joint. That might actually be my cue because it looks real similar. So he puts that mammoth ivory. Scroll down a little bit, Jamie. Scroll down. That one right there in the middle? Yeah, click on that. Yeah. I think it's the same picture. That's exactly what it looks like. Wow.
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#2080 - John Reeves
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's probably some other fucking Android phone or some shit from the early 2000s. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's beautiful. Yeah, that's what you start with, those little shards. It's just so crazy that there's so much of that stuff that you could actually make things out of it.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But it's crazy that this particular subject of the mass extinction event, which is related to Atlantis, which is related to the melting of the polar ice caps that... led to some sort of a mass extinction event in North America that all this stuff is connected and one of the big pieces of the puzzle is your property. And maybe one of the biggest pieces that's ever been discovered.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Is it mistakes made in the field, meaning that the bones got damaged?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Jamie, see if you can find the photo from the Boneyard Instagram page that shows that carbon layer.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Okay. You post quite a bit, so it's probably pretty far back in there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So here it is. It says something came in hot. This burnt gravel laying on top of burnt bedrock 80 feet below the surface. Topography at the boneyard. Tell me it's not natural. It's the most natural thing in the solar system. Of course it's natural, right? Something came in. Boom. And burned everything. And it's 80 feet down in the permafrost. I wonder if they did a core sample.
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#2080 - John Reeves
what they would find. Imagine if they did that and they said 11,800 years. I bet. I'd be willing to bet. Bet that's it. It totally makes sense.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, yeah. I mean, that animal was... They think that might have been one of the animals that kept people from crossing that Bering land bridge, that it was just such a fucking monstrous predator. Far bigger than a polar bear. An immense, immense predator. Like the biggest bear ever that existed and went extinct along with all the other megafauna.
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#2080 - John Reeves
65% of the North American megafauna instantaneously existed. That's one of the reasons why we have weird stuff here. Like pronghorn antelope. Why are they so fast? Well, they were so fast because there was a North American cheetah that lived here. Wow.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. So we had a North American lion that lived here back then that was bigger than the African lion.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So was there supposed to be a North American lion as far as the?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. Also, that's a historically important piece of bone. That's a very important piece. And to think that, again, you have just, that's a drop in the bucket. I shouldn't say a drop in the bucket. That's a drop in the fucking Olympic swimming pool that you have up there. I mean, if someone made a full-scale excavation Just really went all in to see what the fuck is going on up here.
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#2080 - John Reeves
When you say the giant, you're talking about the water sprayer.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's just so nuts that there's this one area that has so much.
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#2080 - John Reeves
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#2080 - John Reeves
I mean, 2.1 is like a really big backyard for a nice suburban house.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So here's the area. Yeah. And this is showing the giant in action as it's spraying. And so do you just spray for a specific amount of time and then just start looking at what's been uncovered? Or do you look at it while it's doing it?
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then you come back and just start looking around. Wow. It's like looking for Easter eggs. I mean, it seems to me insane that no one's contacted you that doesn't want to do some sort of collaboration with you and do some massively funded thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It says, see, a lot of Ice Age cool stuff emerged from the frozen muck. That's because we don't know what that is.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But if you found one in a mammoth hip bone, it has to. We found a tip.
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#2080 - John Reeves
In a mammoth hip bone. Yeah. But don't you think that they hunted those things? Especially if they're above them. Like if you were above them on a cliff or something like that, you could sneak up and throw spears down. They could have.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they did it with elephants. Yeah. I know people hunt elephants with bow and arrows. There's a video of people hunting them with traditional bows, like long bows.
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#2080 - John Reeves
so maybe some nomadic people traveled with spears they had gotten from somewhere else and they made it to your place because that's where the mammoths were
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#2080 - John Reeves
They're a fascinating animal. Yeah, they are. We just showed yesterday they reintroduced them to Colorado recently. Good luck, guys.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I need to make my way out there. If I do, I want to bring Randall.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that's why I'm scared of golf because I am a good pool player.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But that's what it takes to play good pool. It's just massive amounts of time that I don't have. Yeah, it's practice. I only have one thing that sucks, my time. And if I was living where you are, my time would be spent spraying water.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Did you get a bunch of people that reached out to you after the podcast that wanted to volunteer to help?
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#2080 - John Reeves
How do they do that? They use like metal to connect the bones?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Oh, so those are replicas? Oh, yeah. Most of them are just all foam. Well, that's the thing about the dinosaurs, right? They'll have some pieces, and then the rest of it is just kind of bullshit. It's just what they know it looked like and the dimensions that it would be based on the shape of whatever bones they do have.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's just amazing that there's this one spot in Alaska and it really makes you think how many spots are like that somewhere else that just have not been explored.
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#2080 - John Reeves
just makes you really want to imagine what the scene was like when it all went down what the scene was like boom boom when they all just died all at once yeah
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#2080 - John Reeves
Have you paid attention to any of Randall Carlson's work?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Completely makes sense. Yeah. I mean, if you go 20,000 years ago from us, I mean, look, we think about the pyramids and we think about Egypt and we really don't know when they made those.
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#2080 - John Reeves
But Robert Shock, who's the guy who was a geologist from Boston University, who did the work on the Sphinx and the Temple of the Sphinx and found water erosion that indicates thousands of years of rainfall after they carved that thing. After they carved that area out, he's like, this is thousands of years of rainfall.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And the last time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was more than 9,000 years ago. So you have 9,000 years ago, and then you have thousands of years before that. So now you're in that area. Now you're in 12,000 years ago, 13, 14, who knows? There's also speculation as to when the Sphinx, which used to have the head of a lion, before they carved it and made it an Egyptian head.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they think that because the head of the Sphinx is much smaller than the rest of the body, it also has much less erosion. And then they go back to, okay, at what point in time was this thing pointed towards the constellation Leo? And now you're at 30,000 years ago. And they think that might have been when these people had made this thing.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, 2,300,000 stones that weigh between like 2 and 80 tons. Perfectly placed. The true north, south, east, and west. They align with constellations. You have these shafts that align to certain star patterns. It's like, whoo, what was going down in Egypt?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I bet there was millions of Elon Musks back then. Who knows? I mean, I really firmly believe that we are sort of a reimagining of human civilization and that human civilization, as it were, when they did construct the pyramids, was probably more advanced than we are today in a different way.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And this is what Graham thinks, this is what Randall thinks, and a lot of these people think, that whatever technology they had whatever so far undiscovered technology. We don't really know how they carved that stuff. We don't know what methods they used. Because modern conventional thinking is that they only had copper. They didn't even have steel. So how the fuck are they doing that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
There's also these drill marks, these cores that have been cored out that seem to indicate diamond drills, diamond bit drills, moving at insane rates of speed that have cored out sections of stone. Like, who the fuck did that? Who, how, where, why, when? Even if it really is 2,500 B.C., what the fuck did you use? What did you use? How did you do that?
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's probably not 2,500 years ago because that's just based on organic matter. It's also based on they find like little pieces of organic matter that they can carbon date that there's no real proof that that wasn't done, that they didn't sort of like resurface things or refix things or try to update things. There's also the hieroglyphs, which is really fascinating because the hieroglyphs –
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#2080 - John Reeves
They accept the hieroglyphs up to a certain point. And then when the hieroglyphs go back and they indicate kings that existed 30,000, 40,000 years ago, they're like, oh, that's just myth. Like, says who? Says who? Says you because you've written books on this and you've taught lectures and been, you know, you've based your life work on this timeline? Is that why you think that old stuff is myth?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because you don't think Ramsey's is myth. You don't think that Tutankhamen is myth. You don't think all those other things are myth. Why do you think it's myth when it gets back 30,000, 40,000 years ago? I bet that's not myth. I bet whatever was going on back then 30,000, 40,000 years ago.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Those people were probably insanely advanced in a completely different direction than we have gone today. And I think that if you wiped us out and left a few nomadic tribes of people and they repopulated the earth over the next 20,000 years, we'll probably figure out some completely new direction of technology. Yep. You know, I think people get on a path. They innovate on that path.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And then everybody sort of chips in on all the different inventions that have been previously established. And they make them better. And they refine them and make new versions of them and make better stuff. And then it keeps going and going and going in whatever direction some of our genius heads in.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And there's probably some fucking insane geniuses 30,000, 40,000 years ago that figured out some stuff that we haven't figured out yet. And they probably were more advanced in that direction than we are today.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Now go 2,000 years before that, and then 2,000 years before that. We have no evidence. You have the burning of the Library of Alexandria. All the records are destroyed.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that's what's really crazy is that they find older stuff in Egypt that's buried under newer construction. So they build temples on top of older temples. And then as they excavate the sand, they find different construction methods that seem to indicate different ages. They do things differently back then.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And as they get deeper, the things seem to be more sophisticated, more difficult to make.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Depends. With modern science, I mean they think that we're going to be able to live to be 150 and thrive. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, just download your brain into the clone. Imagine a 20-year-old John with the brain of you now, all spry and young.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Good Lord, that's a lot. I didn't know it was that many.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Which is probably likely. Could have. Yeah. Well, what Randall and Graham Hancock, what they believe and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory proponents believe is that distinctly something around 11,800 years ago and then maybe something also around 10,000 years ago. But that doesn't preclude or that doesn't dismiss the idea that there could have been one 30,000 years, 40,000 years.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Got to clone me. We also need to take care of the me that you got right now.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If you do, if you wanted to plan your life out, what would you want to happen with the Boneyard over the next 15 to 20 years? What's ideal for you? Best case scenario. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Why are you so concerned with those bones when you have so many?
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#2080 - John Reeves
So here it is. A lifelong opponent of organized labor and his refusal to allow union workers at his mines led to the infamous Homestead Strike of July in 1892, in which 10 men were killed and 60 wounded. The same month, Frick himself was attacked in a failed assassination attempt by a 25-year-old Russian anarchist. Wow. What did Frick do to his workers?
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#2080 - John Reeves
In June of 1892, he slashed wages, evicted workers from their company houses, stopped negotiating with union leaders, and threatened to bring the Pinkertons, a detective agency for hire that amounted to a private army of thugs.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It says Frick fired 2,500 of his workers and cut their pay in half of those who remained. At one point, he was named the most hated man in America. Wow. Fucking greed. Un-fucking-believable. Fucking greed. It's always been the fucking bane of mankind.
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#2080 - John Reeves
There could have been multiple events. Yeah. Could have been. Because of this time that we pass through this comet shower. It's every June and November, I believe.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they justify this based on the idea that they're the keepers of this historical record, natural history.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Boy, if they found out they've been holding on to human bones all this time, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Probably the people that are there right now probably don't even go in those boxes. So if you're dealing with stuff from more than 80 years ago, who the fuck knows what's in there? It's all just stored, huh?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yes. See if you can find that photo, Jamie, because that's fascinating, too, because that seems to indicate that something massive happened.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So your best case scenario is all this gets handled politically. You recover the bones, and then we start putting the bigger pieces of the puzzle together.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Is the hope maybe some of the younger scientists that are listening to this realize the potential of these discoveries and start working with you?
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#2080 - John Reeves
So these artifacts, do you think that there's just like these wealthy people that keep them in their homes? And then just don't tell anybody. Because that was always the case with Egyptian relics, right? Because we don't even know how many tombs were raided over the several thousand years and where all those artifacts went and what happened.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because we know that when they found King Tut's, when they found his... All of his remains and the sarcophagus and all the gold line this and gold line that. Imagine people found that 500, 600 years ago, 1,000 years ago. Where did all that stuff go? Like did they melt it down? Was it more valuable as gold for them?
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#2080 - John Reeves
One gold bar, Swiss Lady Fortuna, VersaCon. Members only item, 24 karat gold. Item is not refundable. Limit two per membership. Costco. Gold bars at Costco.com. What the fuck?
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#2080 - John Reeves
It says, it was unlike anything we'd ever seen, collection of stolen artifacts to be returned.
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#2080 - John Reeves
A delegation from China went to Indiana on Thursday to claim hundreds of artifacts that were seized from one man's private museum. He had items from all over the world, everything from ancient jewelry to human bones. Those Chinese artifacts are part of the 5,000 seized from a home in from 90-year-old Don Miller, a man well-known locally for his passion for collecting and global travels.
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#2080 - John Reeves
So there's probably dudes like this in Europe. There's probably dudes like this in Russia, dudes like this in China.
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#2080 - John Reeves
For sure, this guy. At least one. Yeah, look at that hammer. The hammer and the axe, that's incredible.
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#2080 - John Reeves
One dude. Yeah. He's not the only one. Yeah. How many of those dudes are connected somehow to the AMNH?
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#2080 - John Reeves
That's actually even more insane, right? So do you think that this is like the water had washed these bodies into a very specific area?
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#2080 - John Reeves
Let's see what it says here. These remains were removed from a burial ground in the Inwood neighborhood of Manhattan. Wow. Wow. So for sure they've got some fucking human bones. I just want to know if they have some human bones that they got from your spot. Because if they did, I just think there's got to be some in there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
If you've got spear points and you've got arrowheads, God damn it, you've got to have some fucking humans in there.
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#2080 - John Reeves
A few additional discoveries came until 1907. The American Museum of National History and College Alaska collected several Panthera atrox skulls in a locality originally found in 1803 gold miners. How do you say that word? Kotzebue? Kotzebue, Alaska. The skulls were referred to a new subspecies of Felis panthera atrox in 1930, Felis atrox alaskanesis.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Despite this, the species didn't get a proper description and is now seen as a nomen nudum, synonymous with panthera atrox. Further south in Rancho La Brea, California, is a large field skull. Is that what? No, felid. Feline, I guess. Felid skull was excavated and later described in 1909 by John C. Merriam, who referred it to a new subspecies of Felice atrox, Felice atrox bebe.
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#2080 - John Reeves
The subspecies is synonymous with Panthera atrox. Wow. Amazing. Whoa. Look at that thing. Holy shit. Look at that thing. So that's the North American lion. Wow. And bigger than the African lion, which is wild.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Nice. I bet you got a lot more of them under that ground, too.
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#2080 - John Reeves
You're allowed to. It seems like they should play ball.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I mean, it just seems like if you guys want to know some stuff, how about there's this one extraordinary area in Alaska that's produced an insane amount of artifacts?
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#2080 - John Reeves
This is a problem with archaeologists. This is a problem that they've found with trying to establish an earlier date for some of these Egyptian artifacts and the Temple of the Sphinx and some of these other things. People do not want to give up any of the power they have in controlling narrative.
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#2080 - John Reeves
early man in eastern Beringia, late Pleistocene and early Holocene artifacts, and associated fauna recovered from the Fairbanks Mining District in Alaska. Wow.
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#2080 - John Reeves
They wrote it. And what you said here is on your thing, it says, this is a document AMNH said they have no record of. I read it on Joe Rogan Podcast a year ago and identified the spot in the East River where the AMNH dumped approximately 50 tons of My Company fossils back in 1949. It started a bone rush.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Though it only took two days for AMNH to issue a press release denying it existed, note that one of the authors, an employee of AMNH, co-wrote it. My goal is to get the remainder of the collection still stored in their basement sent back to Alaska so the scientific research can be conducted on them."
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#2080 - John Reeves
I'd like to see these elitist snobs hauled in front of Congress and testify under oath about their misdeeds. That process is underway. Alaska is not the only state nation that AMNH plundered archaeological, paleontological, anthropological, and cultural resources and artifacts from. They're doing a disservice for the people that want to understand things.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I mean, they are a blockade to understanding how there is this area that you own that has this insane amount of bones. It's insane. And it's a massive mystery. And it's one thing that is so compelling to human beings that want to know what is going on.
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#2080 - John Reeves
with the history of animals and the human race and also with this theory, this Younger Dryas impact theory, if they can just do a core sample on that area that you have uncovered that's 80 feet down that shows all this carbon that seems to indicate massive amounts of fire and something big, as you said, something that came in hot, and that there's evidence of this all over the world now,
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#2080 - John Reeves
Because of the research that's been done on this Younger Dryas impact theory, they know that there's a layer of iridium that exists that indicates that something from space, iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, there's a layer of this shit that indicates we got hit.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And if you add that to what you have, this layer that shows some fucking insane event took place in your area that led to all that burning and all these fucking bones, man. How is this not something that they are actively collaborating with you and working together with the scientific community to get an understanding of how this took place?
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#2080 - John Reeves
You really did spend over a million dollars to build a scientific research building.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, the crazy sod bones are very interesting. Yeah. So let's talk about that because we've showed photos on the podcast before and that these sod bones, now you have carbon dated them and they're to when? Here they are. Yeah.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah. All you have to do is get one piece out and you're a boner?
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's just to me it's so strange that they continue to resist what seems to be inevitable. And the more we talk about it and the more millions of people hear about this, the more it will become inevitable.
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#2080 - John Reeves
This is a massive mystery. And it's not like a little bit of evidence. You have the most insane amount of evidence I think I've ever come across. And the fact that we're all finding out about this because of social media. What a weird time to be alive.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Yeah, but I found out about it through Instagram. I just I don't even remember how I found your page.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, that's the hope. The hope is that if we can continue to highlight this and just continue to show people this is really important stuff. There's a reason why people are so fascinated by it. We have all been fascinated by the history of the human race and the history of animals and the history of whatever caused these extinction events. We're all fascinated by this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And they're doing a disservice to humanity by not exploring this further. By not playing ball. Yep. They should play ball. They should get involved in this. And they should do so in an honorable way where you don't have to bring in politicians. This should be something that as educators and as the – these are the curators of this information. These are the people we turn to.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Don. I think it's, is it Dirty Water Dan or Dirty Water Don? It's Don. Dirty Water Don. I'm sorry. That's a risky thing. The guy's diving in the East River. Yeah. That guy's...
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#2080 - John Reeves
This is one of the most prestigious institutions in the world when it comes to natural history.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I gladly accept. Let's have this an annual thing to see how much progress we make. As long as I'm the last podcast of the year, I'm down. Yes. That's our tradition. You are the last podcast of 2023. You'll be the last podcast of 2024. Thank you, sir. And my sincere hope— is that they come to their senses and they do this in an amicable way where everybody realizes like this is important.
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#2080 - John Reeves
It's bigger than everybody. This is good for the AMNH. This is good for the scientific community. It's good for the curious people like myself. It's good for the world. We really should find out what the fuck is going on and what happened. And I think you have a massive piece of the puzzle, sir. And it's extraordinary.
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#2080 - John Reeves
and i just i'm very happy that you're the guy that you got some hard-nosed who doesn't give a who is willing to stick his neck out and and tell the truth and and also to show the world like just the this is the evidence that you have on your page just that bone with the human face carved in shut the up you know somebody carved that yeah stop playing games what is it
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#2080 - John Reeves
Just the fact that you've got saw bones, sawed bones. Who did that? Just the fact that you've got an insane amount of woolly mammoth tusks and bones and all these animals that they said aren't even supposed to have been in Alaska, and they clearly were. There's a mystery there, folks.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think so. I think that's why the universe chose you to own that land.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I think that makes sense because I think a lot of people just wouldn't have gone through the lengths that you've gone through. They wouldn't have been so stubborn and determined. And also just the fact that a guy like you is exactly the type of person that you need to do all this work. It's got to be a guy like you. A regular person is not going to be so dedicated to this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
I don't give a fuck about that, though. I don't understand where you're going with this.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, I think for the longest time they have become accustomed to being the ones who are the gatekeepers of information. And when it comes to this kind of information, a little press release here, a little statement here has been adequate. They've been able to cover their tracks. But in this age of information, that's not good enough anymore.
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#2080 - John Reeves
And it's the right thing for all the curious human beings that deserve access to that information because it's a part of the human story. It's part of the story of the earth. It's part of the story of the animals. It's part of the story of your land. It's a part of the story of probably the impact theory that wiped out massive amounts of animals and human beings.
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#2080 - John Reeves
Well, let's hope that by this time next year, things have progressed. And when we talk about it in December of 2024 for the last podcast of 2024, let's hope we've got some good news for people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Varna then griped that the video filmed on August 14th that his then-employer is stuck with our drug, but the people aren't going to be as confident in it because the data doesn't look as strong as it should. And so then later he starts talking about the stock prices.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So he says sometimes you do a study and fucking nothing works at all or people get really sick from it, he said in the covert recording. The problem is if you do another study, it'll take a year or two to do it because you have to get the ethics approval, you got to get the money, you got to get the patients to come in.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
In the videos, Varma then gloated about how he knows the reporters well and referenced a September interview with New York Times on MPOX, which touted that TPOX as a drug used to treat MPOX infection. He also described the World Health Organization's emergency authorization process before explaining how he wants the media to report on TPOX.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So he was talking, one of the things in the video, he was talking about stock prices. So they're talking about making it look like these drugs do better than they do, getting people to prescribe them. Okay, hold on. So basically what we're trying to get the media to say is, oh, the drug didn't work because it was designed the wrong way, so they're going to do another study and it'll probably work.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And in the meantime, people just prescribe it as an emergency drug. That's what we want the story to be, which is wild to say out loud. And he said the risk of MPOC spreading in the U.S. is very low, and it's almost certainly going to stay among gay men. Yeah, so it's all just... It's supposedly...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Isn't that always the case, though? Yes. That's the case in the military often, right?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Only like I don't think in America, like I think four people have died from it, which is you got to go hard. That's it. Go hard. Died from that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Oh, yeah. That was that was another thing. That was when he got busted for having parties during the covid lockdowns while he was encouraging the lockdowns. Wow. You didn't hear that part? No. Oh, so Crowder got him on camera saying that he was doing Molly and partying and saying, I hope somebody doesn't see me doing this because I could get in real trouble because, you know, obviously I...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
reinforce the lockdowns wow I mean surprising but not you know boy everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years at least people that are trying to pay attention to how nutty the people are who actually run the show yeah yeah it's uh
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's like a bunch of actors are running it. That's what it's like because that's what they're really like. What politicians are like are like actors are not quite good looking enough to get into movies and television shows. They can't host entertainment tonight, but they can read off a teleprompter, you know, and they can do a good.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Like, look, Kamala Harris had one good read off a teleprompter and she shot up in the polls. That's the power of just a performance when you want to believe something. You want to believe.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I was watching this. These guys were breaking down. They can track cell phones. They can figure out who's cell phone was there. They can get metadata. And they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are. These people are coming in on buses, and many of them have been to multiple rallies, and that –
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
When this one, this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else. And they were all bussed in.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
When I was really young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was, she did something in government and she was explaining to me. So this is pre-internet-ish. You know, like people didn't have the internet then. It's like, ugh. Early 90s, right? And she said that one of her jobs was to make sure that information that the Navy had received would be available to the Army.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, I'll send this to Jamie because this is what I actually have. But I think they know it because you could track data on a phone now. Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff? I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when your phone has been in an area. Okay, I found this guy's. I found his other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Because it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, but this is the clip. I'm sending you the clip from Instagram for whatever. I don't know if Instagram's hiding it. I don't know what's happening. They wouldn't do that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, what they were – essentially what they were showing is that – here it is – that it's very organized and people are being bussed in. And, you know, is that okay? Is that ethical?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally. Nothing wrong with that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
But if you're organizing crowds, like – Say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, Wheel of Fortune. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Those people are all paid. Most of them or sometimes you let fans do it for like a very popular show. But I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid. Interesting.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So it's basically like if you're filming a sitcom and nobody knows what the sitcom is. You there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in and the people cheer. They have an applause sign. Everybody cheers. They laugh when you tell them to laugh like there's a guy in the audience. It's like doing this to them that the people at home don't see. So it's just it's all theater.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Right. So. They could do that same strategy for a political rally easily. If you're talking about all the money that you're going to be in control of when you are the president of the United States, which is a spectacular position, not just that, but then all the money you're going to make in appearances forever.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You're going to do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason. There's so much money involved. You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer? That's cheap.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I don't know. Do you think that's immoral? Well, I think we have very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
There was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her DA record when she was in California and that they were not going to talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble. And they weren't going to fact check her.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And then they said they were only going to fact check Donald Trump. Yeah. Which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true. And no one said anything about it, particularly about troops being deployed overseas. Yeah. Did you see that video where the troops were like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, how mad would he be if he heard that? I mean, they're pissed. Oh, I'm not in a war zone. They're pissed. They should be pissed. So this is from an Instagram account. I don't know what podcast this clip came from, but let's just play it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests. Like, we already did this. We'll get you this information. So there was some sort of a database in these computer terminals where she could share information. And she had some sort of top clearance. Right. And one day, just fucking around, she wrote little green men in the search function.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Now, it could be that she's so popular that it's like Swifties. They just follow her around. Or it could be like, you know, the Grateful Dead was in the 1970s. Maybe, maybe that's what's going on. Maybe she's just so amazing all of a sudden. Maybe she just, Stella got her groove, you know. Something happened and she just kicked into gear and now she's her best self.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Her best self. She's going to be the president. Yay, let's go to these rallies.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
If you can do it for a game show, you can do it for a political event. I don't think it's immoral. I think if they did give her the questions and they really – and this is – someone signed an affidavit. See what's going on with that. See what's the latest with that, Jamie. So someone signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee that claims these things. And it was very clear there was bias.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It was very clear that they were fact-checking him and not fact-checking her. But it was, you know, unfortunately, he doesn't do himself any favors because he kind of goes off the rails sometimes. They're eating dogs. They're eating cats. Which, by the way, they may very well be doing that. That's a thing they do in Haiti sometimes.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Sometimes they sacrifice animals and, you know, they have local rituals, religious rituals that they do.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I really enjoy your show. It's very different. When I first started watching it, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people. I like you like a Navy SEAL Art Bell. It's kind of cool, man. You go out there with people. Like that one dude that was saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica. You let that guy go out. He's going out on a long-ass pier. Oh, yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Right. I mean, that's a real thing. That's a real thing. And to try to pretend that it's racist to say that. No, no.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Interesting. Didn't it get discussed on Twitter and people were posting about the veracity of it? I think Elon even put it on his post. No. Colin Rugg, I know, had it on his. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's probably going to be hard to tell unless charges are filed. It said it made it to Congress.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Didn't know if the claim was accurate, but shared it anyway, which is what's fun. It's fun to do on the internet. Vance addressed the supposed whistleblower's allegations with reporters saying it should be a national scandal if true. Trump again mentioned the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in Las Vegas, claiming that Harris had received the debate questions in advance.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Fortunately, we had a leaker or a whistleblower. I don't care which. I love that person. It's such a Trump statement. Representative Dan Mouser in a Pennsylvania Senate Fox News interview that he would try to bring in ABC News and the whistleblower before Congress to testify about the affidavit.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, that was amplified by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who also doesn't do herself any favors. I think they do stuff like that. This is my take on that. When I saw all these people tweeting that the guy died in a car crash, I was like, that might be a trap. That one might be a trap.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think they do stuff like that where they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it without looking into it at all. And it turns out to be complete horseshit. And it makes the whole thing look like horseshit now. Now it looks like it makes the affidavit. It's at least connected to horseshit.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And her computer got shut down, and then people visited her. And they asked her, what are you doing? Why did you look this up? What is this all about? And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost whatever clearance that she had.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They're very organized, which is really interesting. And that's one of the things about Trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can kind of corral him, you know, and it seems like she's really open to being coached. Some of these speeches are very different than any speeches she's ever given before.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And you see the difference between that and then, like, did you see the Oprah interview? No. She's off the rails. Yeah. Off the rails. I heard about it. Into fucking wine mom country again. Wow. Tim Dillon is the best. Tim Dillon's like, she's saying gypsy curses.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's like when you get her off the rails and she is, it's kind of fucked up, right? Because that's not the job. The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah. That's not the job. But that's the most important part about getting the job.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, they're going to do it once they get in, even though they're already in.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, one thing that you can see really clearly is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before. I've seen tight races. I've seen people very divided. You know, I've seen it for years. There's always been like a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Not like this, where the guy almost gets killed twice and they don't even talk about it. It's scary, man. It's nuts. It's scary. Almost gets killed twice. And the second one, they just brushed it off. Like, I don't even think the guy got a shot off.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Like the guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours. With a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and was specifically there to kill Trump. You don't think that's crazy?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Barely. Barely. In and out. And then the brother of the guy or the guy's son gets arrested for child pornography.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Is that real? The one shooter was in the BlackRock commercial. That was the kid that tried to kill Trump. Yeah. They said that this guy was in a BlackRock commercial, but I heard that that's not true. It's bullshit. But that could be another one that they just throw out there. Yeah, right.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You throw one out there like that, and then people retweet it, and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb, and then it just weakens the public's faith in what you have to say about things and also makes the story look stupid.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Like that story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident even though he didn't die in a car accident. Yeah. So it's always going to be shrouded in bullshit. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of genius.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I've not heard that one. When I was young, I was like, whoa, aliens are real. But as an older man, now looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job. Maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not – there was no request to look up little green men. She did it on her own.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, it's a great way to get somebody elected. Yeah, good point. Good point. It's just – when you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom, just marching down the street in front of everybody and no one's freaking out about it, that's what's really weird.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, was it Matt Gaetz that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump in the country right now?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Two of them are domestic? I think Trump said that. Trump said it? There's five guys. They think they're going to get me. They're not going to get me. So what's the quote? Big threats on my life by Iran. The U.S. military is watching and waiting. Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I am surrounded by more men, guns, and weapons than I have ever seen before. Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to Secret Service. Zero, no votes. What? Zero no votes, strictly bipartisan. Okay. Oh, I understand. Zero no votes, like no one voted against it. Strictly bipartisan, nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
An attack on a former president is a death wish for the attacker. It wasn't just him that was saying that, though. I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gaetz. I know I have that saved too if you want to. So if there really are five different kill teams in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I mean, he has rallies, you know? Giant rallies. Yeah. In New York, there was 60,000 people. That's insane. See, that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rallies. That's a lot of buses. If that guy's telling the truth, if that guy's telling the truth, and they really are just sort of manipulating this and putting on theater, that's a big difference between what's happening with Trump. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
He got organically got 60,000 people to come see him and freak out in New York. The media is a monster. It really is. It's such an obvious monster. Such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster. How long do you think the media has left? They'll be around. You think so? It all depends on who gets into office, really.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It depends on – so the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter. The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it. That was scary close. So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal. And they release everything. And then Twitter becomes kind of crazy. Like Twitter is wild now. Like there's it's just it's totally wild, wild west, unregulated. And then what do you got, Jamie? This is it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
OK, one of the five known teams hunting President Trump for Butler, Pennsylvania attempt was Ukrainian. So this is Matt Gates talking about this. But I think that if that hadn't happened – so if all of social media remained like staunch leftist, left-wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them regarding vaccines or Ukraine or anything else with no –
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Hard to tell because it was a girl I dated. I don't really know. Oh, you dated her. Yeah, I dated her. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, like I said, early 90s, I was living in New York. I had actually dated her in Boston, then we met up again in New York a couple years later. So she was telling me about her job, and then she was telling me, like, check this out. I shouldn't be telling you this, but here.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
critical arguments about it that are accepted. Anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people like, you know, they censored people from Stanford and MIT. They were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Bhattacharya, all these doctors about COVID.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Censoring like legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks, guys like Peter McCullough, who's the most published doctor in his field of study in human history. And they're like, no, no, you're a kook.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And we know now that that was not true and he was correct. Now we all know, right? All these years later, most people kind of know what the fuck happened. Even the people reluctant to admit they got duped. If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. I really don't. Because if they had the clamps on Twitter...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps. It would be fucking awful out there. I know, man.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would have been fine. I really do. Probably. The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they've got a clamp on YouTube, too. YouTube is – they're very restrictive in what you can talk about, especially during the pandemic. They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now. We dealt with a lot of that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
We dealt with a lot of it, right? I'll bet you did, too. Oh, yeah. Anybody on YouTube, you have to parse your words. Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, but you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective. He always has to say it to cover his ass. It's a joke.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Was it a huge pain in the ass gone? No. I don't pay attention to it. But my strategy was to become 10% less famous. So when I went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give me all this money. And I was like, oh, great. Just fucking be a little less famous, too. That'd be good. Kind of like go the Howard Stern route. Kind of fade off into the sunset. Yeah. Did it work? No, it didn't work.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I was going to get caught up in this massive controversy. But it also, even before that, this podcast was growing on Spotify a little too quick. But so there's no like extra pressure being on YouTube. But there is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube. I guess I meant because they'll demonetize you.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
We got demonetized all the time. A lot of episodes got demonetized until we announced that we were going to go exclusive to Spotify. And then from that moment out, there was like a few months of a window. No kidding. They never demonetized us. They just took all the money. Like, don't go, Joe. No, no, no. It wasn't that. They wanted the money now. Like, why would they demonetize me?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Because they don't get a cut either. So what they're trying to do, essentially, is get you to fall in line by getting you to self-censor because it benefits you financially. Interesting.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's a creepy form of censorship because you do it to yourself, and it's kind of okay because you can't really prove that they got you to not talk about things you wanted to talk about, and they can't really prove that you followed this public narrative just because you want to keep your job.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Back then, I was all in on UFOs. I was like, wow, UFOs are real. Yeah. As an older man, I look back and go, well, if you have some kid, she was basically my age. She's probably 24 as well. And you're having this kid work in these terminals that has access to top secret information and they have clearance. I would say, hey, maybe you shouldn't be just looking up shit randomly. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They won't fucking tell you. I don't want to talk to them. This is how my feeling on the thing is. I don't think they should be talking to people about what to put in. I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't take it off.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, there's that. And there's no benefit for them to tell you what you said that was wrong. There's no benefit. The good thing is to get you to self-censor. That's the best. To put the threat over you. That's why they give you strikes. One strike, two strikes. Sean, you got three strikes. It's kind of silly. It's weird.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's like, is this the penal system or is this a goddamn social media platform? It should be. If advertisers don't want to advertise on that particular content, okay, that seems easy to manage, guys. And guess what? There'd be a lot of advertisers that would be willing to advertise on that content. You're just not being creative enough with your advertisement.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
If you're just treating it as a business, or are you treating it as not just a social media video website, but a way to push and a way to amplify a very specific message?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. And if you if you're making a lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now. And then all of a sudden YouTube comes along and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccine, Sean. Sean, we can't have covid vaccine misinformation on our platform. This is going to cost lives.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And some some platforms make you do like a reeducation thing where you have to talk to them. And have conversations with them about what you did that may have been offensive or what you did that may have violated the terms and conditions that they have for their community. Yeah, I think we had to do that. I think we did that. Fucking creepy.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That shit's fucking creepy because you're dealing with some fucking woke kid in Silicon Valley who up talks. And this person, okay, what you're doing, Sean, right now with your show, I know that you don't think it's harmful, but it really is. It really is. It's truly harmful. Yeah. It's truly harmful. Exposing government corruption. I can tell. Yeah. It's real harmful, all right.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's fucking weird, man. It's weird. But I love the fact that at least it exists. And even though it's not perfect – because I don't think YouTube can be perfect because they're managing at scale. In order for them to get all the pornography and the – cartels upload murder videos to YouTube. They're constantly trying to put out fires.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Can you imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with on a daily basis? Yeah. It kind of behooves them to just give them strikes, threaten them, let's just slow everything down. Too much of this is getting us in trouble. We just want to make a lot of money. I get it. I get it. There's only one YouTube. It's kind of genius. And it's a perfect setup.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The algorithm where it's constantly recommending stuff that you're interested in. It's fucking great. Great time waster. But it's also a tool for shaping narratives. And if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized so you lose your ability to make a living and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You know, like we can't have this kid. We can't trust this kid.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They just removed their whole channel. Where do you think this is going to end? I think it is going to end. That should be – all that stuff we talked about should be illegal. That stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. Demonetization, no. Because, look, if you want to have standards where you say that the advertisers that we have – we have a group of advertisers and they have requested –
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
No shows where someone swears. No shows where someone talks about sex. No shows where someone talks about over-drinking or anything like that. They just have rules. We don't want to be associated with that. That, okay, that's totally reasonable. But when you want to stop a channel from uploading a video because they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And you're pulling that off the air. Well, now what are you doing? You're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information. Dangerous information not just to us but also to the organizations that paid for these crazy gain-of-function research projects. Like what the fuck are you doing and what did you do?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And if you were talking about that on YouTube and even expressing your ability to – Just guess that maybe it came from that area. Have you ever seen that Jon Stewart interview where he was on The Colbert Show?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Fucking amazing, right? Amazing. But even that, Colbert's trying to stop them. Just saying maybe these people who are working on these fucking viruses let one leak. Maybe. That would get you removed from YouTube. That's a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion. Yeah. Because you should, especially some of these people are very informed people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They were biologists and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the fairing cleavage sites and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover. They were talking about technical, very specific details and they were getting banned. Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel. I didn't know that. Yes. I didn't know that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
We had to have him on and do an emergency podcast and let people know what the fuck was going on.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They almost pulled his channel. Damn. He's a biologist, a brilliant one, and he's talking about real information.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it is and he's got all the money in the world. I think he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is going to be an insane moneymaker. I don't think X has any problems. I think X is going to grow it into some sort of an all-in-one app.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls. You'll be able to shop on it. That's what it's probably going to be, if I had to guess. And I think that...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
For places like Rumble, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, more they can find people and more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they want to make any money off of advertising or if they don't want to get their channel deleted. The more companies like Rumble will emerge. That's what I think.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think there's going to be just right now Rumble's a hard sell for some folks because they see it as like, oh, the right wing fucking like a MAGA. I'm not going to truth social. It's truth social video. You know, there's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but. Russell Brand's on there. A lot of people are on there. It's a good platform. And it's an important platform.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And we should support it and want it to grow. We should want them all to grow. Spotify's got video now. We need more video. Because audio's just not enough. Just audio podcasts. You want... You want people to share things virally. And the virally stuff, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast. That's all video. You want video of that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and Rumble are the only places that I know of that you could really do that right now. Have you had any problem on audio at all? No. Good. No. Good. I haven't either. Yeah, audio is like they're leaving that alone for now.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think it's probably because it's not as easily shared. That's what's coming next. Yeah, probably. I mean, all they would have to do is just put images of you and images of me and then have our audio and upload that as a video. And then maybe they would start coming after audio. Yeah, yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I do too, but I don't think it turns around if Kamala Harris gets into office. I think they clamp down more. I think the same stuff that they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try to do with something else, with other things. They've already openly discussed it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
She's openly discussed that the same rules have to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges. There's so many wild things that they're saying. Tim Walz said that the First Amendment doesn't apply to misinformation or hate speech. Okay, well, it certainly does. It does. Sometimes people say things wrong.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And the goal of the First Amendment is you say something wrong, and then this guy who's an expert says the right thing. And then you correct him.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's all opinion. Right. Well, so much of it turns out to be true. How about masks don't work? You would get screamed at for masks don't work. Well, guess what? They don't fucking work. They don't work. Fauci said masks don't work. Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew how big it was going to be?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's bananas how easily people fell in line. That scared me the most.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
There's nothing they won't do. There's a lot of cowards out there. There's a lot of people that have never been pushed and they don't know what to do when they get nervous. And they're out there voting.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
There's both. But there's also people that are scared of a negative response. So they say what everybody wants them to say. Somebody described this really very eloquently, and I saved it on my phone because I was like, this guy nailed it. But essentially they were saying, especially with beta males, they don't say something because they have an opinion and they really want to express that opinion.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They say something and they consider, am I going to get in trouble if I say this? And then if that's the case, they don't. And am I going to get in trouble if I agree with them? And probably not because right-wing people don't really go after you the same way left-wing people do. Like if you want to talk about a woman's right to choose.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
If you want to say, I agree with a woman's right to choose, but like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit? And he goes, I think I agree with a woman's right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby. It's kind of a crazy bit. It's really funny because he's brilliant, but it's just, that's really what it is.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That is what it is. It is what it is. I mean, factually, that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy Raid or fucking J-Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights. The BP1 app. What the fuck? Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That sounds like the... You know... I had Chamath on. Do you know Chamath? I don't want to mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy. And we were talking about how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country and how difficult it was to get a visa. I mean, this is a brilliant guy. He started Facebook. He's one of the original guys at Facebook.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And he's this... guy who did it the right way and every step of the way there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough. Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. He's a real expert in something.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right? What did he say? Trump said that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want to release it either. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did hear that. Crazy. What a crazy thing to say. Yeah. That can only mean one thing in my eyes. We did it. Yeah. The only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Meanwhile, that's racist. Yeah. Yeah. And they want them to vote, which is even crazier. And they're pumping them out into swing states. It's so transparent. It's happening right in front of everybody's face. And it's a wild grab for power. And the only people talking about it are people like us, which is really crazy.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The only people that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected to some sort of executive corporation, a bunch of producers, a bunch of people telling you what to do. Yeah. I mean, this is not even something that right-wing news wants to discuss.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Dr. Phil did this big investigation. He's got his own network now, Merit Media. It's gotten so bad that Dr. Phil decided he has to start a network for news. Good for him, man. He's a great guy. Good for him. Great guy. But he was essentially talking about how – They really don't know how many people that are coming through that are criminals. They're dropping off their IDs on the Mexican side.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They just get rid of their IDs so that when they cross over, they have nothing on them. You don't know who they are. You don't know what they've done. Gang members, cartel members, guys escaping Venezuelan prisons. No one knows.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
All you have to do is get over here and we'll give you an EBT card. We'll set you up, go to New York City to put you in a nice hotel to give you free food. And meanwhile, there's poor people in Chicago that are like, what about us? What about American citizens that pay tax dollars? You guys don't give a fuck about us. You haven't done anything for us. Why?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Because they know those people are going to vote Democrat. They know they already got them. They already got them. We've got those people. Statistically, they look at the numbers. Statistically, this has gone blue. We're fine. We're good. Let's just get some people in them swing states.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Did you talk to Tim about that? Tim. Kennedy? When you had him on?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Dude, he told me some shit. He told me some shit that he just... You can't imagine, like, that guy saw so much overseas. And he said the worst things he ever saw was the Afghanistan pullout.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling. Tucker just comes out and says it openly. He just says it openly. CIA killed Kennedy. He has a crazy laugh. I don't know who could actually say it other than the people that have read those papers and You know, who knows what they would. You know, the president is basically a part-time employee. Not a part-time employee, but a short-term employee.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
By design. Like the leaving the border porous, allowing these people to come in.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You know, if you've got a long-running business and for some technicality, every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO. And he does a four-year term. And then hopefully he can finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules. And you just bring him in. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy? Yeah. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense that all they care about is voting, is get the people in, don't worry about the consequences. But the more insidious conspiracy would be that they want unrest because it gives them an opportunity to clamp down on rights.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, but it's a different kind of unrest. The kind of unrest that you get from people blowing up Target is very different than the kind of unrest you get from a legitimate terror attack.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The power grid's so weak. It's so vulnerable. It's really nuts. It's nuts because anybody could target it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They hid shit from him all the time, which is totally illegal.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, and they own land around military bases. Like, if they are on a long-term strategy— It's very effective. They're doing a great job. They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things. They position them around military bases. Mike Baker was explaining all of it to me. And I'm like, how are they letting this go through? Is it incompetence?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Is it fools running it? Are they corrupt? Like, how did they do that? I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these countries. And we really found that out during COVID when you couldn't get shipments. It was like, whoa, wait a minute. How much of our shit is made over there? Like, everything? Like, how much medicine is made overseas?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Possibly getting in to investigate all that I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States if you really care about health I think there's a lot of us and it was me at one point in time I've gotten more educated about it a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications yeah, and I don't think we're being told the truth and
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Right. Cool. Cool. The whole thing is nuts. Go U.S. Yeah, it's nuts. But getting away from manufacturing in this country really did not do this country any justice. It's just for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third world countries to manufacture things. That's including our phones. And I've said this over and over again.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
If Apple could make an American-made phone and charge me more money, I'd pay double for it. Yeah. Charge me a phone where I know that people get union wages, they get health care, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work normal hours.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building to keep people from jumping from the roofs. Yeah. You've seen that shit, right? Yeah. No, actually I haven't. You haven't seen that? No.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked that people are so distraught that they put all these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings because so many people were jumping to their death that they decided we'll just catch them with nets. Are you serious? Yeah, look at this. Those are the nets. Those are suicide nets all around the building.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
How crazy is that? Damn, that is fucked up. How crazy is that? Wow. Instead of making the conditions better where people don't... want to kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building, they go, nah, nets is fine. Fuck those people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. It's close to it. I mean, they don't really have any other options. And when you're getting a phone, you know, and what's a phone? Like $1,500? Is that what it is? Charge $2,000. Yeah. Charge $2,000. People will pay it. Most people are putting a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it off every day, and you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Everybody does, but you don't need to. It's stupid. I have an iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, one of my numbers. It fucking works great. Nothing wrong with it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Five-year-old phone or four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is. So you could get a made-in-America phone, and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody turns a blind eye to. Because that's the only way you get that kind of stuff. You know, they have them all made over there. Yeah. Yeah, it's... I don't think it's coming back, but... Well, it could.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort. But the problem is it took decades to go away. It'll probably take slightly longer to come back, you know, because there's got to be planning and funding and people have to make long term investments. It's going to be a big gamble. Yeah. But so, I mean, I'm sure you've seen who killed the the where's what is it? Michael Moore's documentary.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Eric Hecker. All those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing, is it John Alexander? Yeah. The gentleman that worked with UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries. He's done it all. Fascinating. He's done it all. Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right? Yeah, yeah. That guy, what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kind of shit. How much do you believe it, though?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The Flint, Michigan one. What is it called again? Roger and me. Roger and me. That's right. I want to say who killed Roger Rabbit. I don't know. Roger and me. But it's all about what happened to Flint, Michigan once they pulled out auto manufacturing. And the entire population just – those people who live in check to check, they were doing okay, but they had jobs. And then all of a sudden, gone.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Every job is gone. There's no jobs. There's nothing to do. The entire industry is gone. And just people went into dire poverty, like horrific dire poverty, like gone.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
instantaneously yeah and just so a corporation can make some more money it's sad it's horrible it's fucking horrible it's horrible and it's horrible that that's an option that a corporation would would decide yeah fuck this town what do you what do you think it would i mean you do you think it's going to come back or you think it could come back it could come back i'm in i'm optimistic but
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
honest. I try to look at it honestly, but also go, I think most people are good people. I really do. I really believe that. Even most of these people that are walking in from Guatemala, I'd do it too, 100%. If I was living in the middle of nowhere and you told me, hey, America's letting people in. You can get a landscaper job. You can make 20 bucks an hour. I'd be like, what?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And I think there's a reason why other countries, multiple other countries have banned food elements, food like ingredients that we use all the time. These red dyes, all these different. And this was all there was just a recent thing that they did. Who was involved in that? Brigham testified in that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? I think most people are good people and they just want a better life. And I think the more we unite under that idea and stop buying into this bullshit that if either side is correct, that it's the end of democracy. I think we have to stop all that tribal nonsense that's happening between the left and the right because-
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
People are just subscribing to ideologies and getting captured in them, just like a religious fervor. They think that they're doing the only thing that could possibly be done to save us all, and that the other side is a dire threat. That's why something like 24% of Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald Trump got shot. I just read that. Fucking insane.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Fucking insane that people would think that violence by an assassin would be a good thing on a former president. Like, we're that fucked. But I think that that's just a lot of media manipulation and a lot of people getting riled up and living in these echo chambers and these bubbles. But I think ultimately at the core, most people are good people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And I think if we had some wins, if some things like that did start getting built and they did start bringing back more American manufacturing and people start getting excited about the idea that America becomes not just a place of innovation and art and creativity but also like we start manufacturing great shit again. There's no reason why we don't do that.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's pretty much every job, every manual labor job is under threat. I think every job is under threat. I don't think podcasts. What are you going to do, bitch? How are you going to think like me? Good luck. Good luck. And comedy, you're always going to have comedy. Movies are in real trouble because A.I.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
can write pretty fucking amazing scripts, and the CGI, the way they can crank out video is bananas now. I mean, it's bananas. It looks perfect, and it comes out in minutes instead of years. Do you really think podcasting is safe from A.I. ? I don't know. Well, I know AI is going to translate. So Spotify is going to translate my show to multiple different languages. Nice.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Eventually, once they get the technology completely dialed in. But they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German, French. And you're going to be able to hear – it'll sound like me, but speaking fluent French.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They've definitely done it. But they're going to be able to, once they have it completely dialed in where there's no glitch, because there's going to be some weird glitches in context and cultural things that aren't going to make sense if you translate it. Yeah. That'll be weird. But once they get it dialed in pretty good, it's going to – it'll be great for everybody.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They had all these health experts testify and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives. They were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is. And like an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. It's you.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It'll open up the world to like – I want to know what these folks are saying in Russia. I'd like to listen to a Russian podcast. Yeah. I've watched some Russian news things and seen the teleprompter rolling. It's like they're always mocking us and make fun of us for having 78 genders. They relentlessly mock us in the news. I'm like, that's interesting. This is how Russia looks at America.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
What changed with you that altered your perspective about us being the good guys? COVID. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just consuming these poisons. There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water. Keep your teeth closed. You don't want cavities. It doesn't make any sense. And we've been doing it forever. And there's no reason to do it.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, he was the CEO of Hal Burton and then Hal Burton got no bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billions of dollars.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And there's like real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And now he supports Kamala Harris. Yeah. Right? When you see the left getting excited that Dick Cheney is supporting their candidate, you know the world's gone haywire. Yeah, it's crazy. The same people that used to think Dick Cheney was the devil, now all of a sudden they're like, look, Dick Cheney.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I wonder how long they can keep that up with the internet because the distrust in the media is at an all time high. It's, it's probably, it has to be higher than it's ever been in human history. It's never been in the history of printed words right now. More distrust than ever. And at the same time, you have these independent people that have become bigger than the media.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That's never happened before. There's never been a thing where just like an app that you get on your phone has –
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
30 times more views than the top show at cnn yeah that's never happened before but now that's the world that we live in and so propaganda is not effective anymore and it's also the delivery method that they use it sucks they sit there with makeup on with perfect clothes and they said right now in syria and they start reading these things and they're reading them off the teleprompter and you know that that's that person could be working at fucking entertainment tonight
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
They could be working at any other show. They're just a talking head. They know they're the mouthpiece for some giant corporation. No one thinks that's the real news anymore. You have to be like old boomers who are real tired, like those old liberal boomers. They're still like MSNBC to the death, like the Stephen Kings out there. MSNBC to the death.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio stations? Yeah, man. First of all, what a bad investment because who the fuck listens to radio? That's a bad investment. But second of all, what are you going to do? Because one thing that I do find is that right-wing talk radio is probably the only place where you get a lot of right-wing ideas. There's a lot of local right-wing talk radio.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The reason why I know is my mechanic. Whenever he fixes one of my cars and he brings it back, he's always listening to right-wing talk radio. Right. So I turned my car on the other day, and I'm listening to these guys argue about Kamala Harris and the border, and that she was the fucking border czar. They didn't swear, but they were going over this, and I was like, that's interesting.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Maybe that's what he wants to stop. If you want to own 200 radio stations, you just start firing all those right-wing guys.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You would stop a lot of that because I think that's where a lot of people are getting their information that aren't using podcasts. Because it seems like I don't hear a lot of left-wing AM talk radio shows. Do you? No. No. Weird, right? It is. It's like the one area that seems to be dominated by right-wing talkers. Well, we're probably about to. But I don't know what a good move that would be.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Maybe he knows more than me about how many people that affects. And maybe my mechanic. I should ask him.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, he likes to manipulate governments. He likes to manipulate society. I think he thinks it's his version of a video game. Yeah, yeah. I think he genuinely seems to enjoy it. It's really interesting.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Elon's openly saying he thinks that guy hates humanity. It appears that way. That is a wild thing to say.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's such a wild thing to say, and it's such a wild thing to do like a supervillain in a Batman movie, like some billionaire guy who likes to hire the most progressive district attorneys that's going to let people out of jail and then fund the next person who's more to the left of that person and just keep pushing it, keep pushing it, keep pushing it until you get tents everywhere, violence in the streets, you know?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
How come there's no right-wing guys like that that do it the other direction?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I always wonder that. Well, it's also like if you look at the amount of donors that donate to the left versus donate to the right. Have you ever seen that chart? No. It's fucking nuts. The left gets so many more donations than the right does. It's a giant difference. Why do you think that is? I don't know, man. I think a lot of rich people feel guilty and they get into philanthropy.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And it also is a good way to cover their ass and make them look like better people. And the people that really go after you, if they don't think you're a good person, are generally the left. So if you could, like, throw them a little cheddar, you're like, keep on your side.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
There's got to be a little bit of that in there. What do you got, Jim?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
What I was talking about was like they showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating. So this is like individual donors. Wow, some guys donated $105 million. Wow. But that guy's probably worth billions. That's probably some sort of a write-off too, isn't it? That's pretty crazy. Go to top corporation donations via party.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Because that's the chart that I was looking for. It was just nuts to see just how much money overall is being spent to push the Democratic Party. It's pretty extreme. And you've got to think, what are they getting out of that? What's the end goal? And how could you look at what's going on right now and go, this is great?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
This is the number one. This is corporations. So they donate more than Google?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So 82 million is the top – Top one, and that's Empower Parents, P-A-C. And these are right-wing? Is that why it's red? I'd assume so. So it seems like the top four. What is that Google chart that I was seeing? And I don't even see Google on this. Is it Alphabet? Would they put it under Alphabet?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I'll try again. Okay. This is open secrets, though. Yeah, open secrets might be like... Well, I don't know. That's not donate to nonprofits, though.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Giving to programs that empower organizations to do more so you can find promising funds. I think that's fundraising shit. I don't think that's necessarily political donors.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That's the individuals, right? No, this is the corporates. This is the corporate's ones? Yeah. So what was that Google chart then? I don't know. Did it type in the alphabet? The number two donator to the Democratic Party was that Sam Bank from Freed guy, which is crazy.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. That one seemed like maybe that was a good way to skirt around stuff. Yeah. Didn't work.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Never back down, Inc. What is that? It's a Chuck Norris movie. It's weird because it's supposed to be the will of the people. It's supposed to be the government works for the people. And it's not that. It's some very bizarre, enormous amount of money that's being spent to make sure that the people in power continue to run things the exact same way.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Good for them, though, but that's what people need. I think if RFK gets into office, he will expose a lot of this stuff, just like he did when he was an environmental attorney. People think of him as just the vaccine kook. Listen, you've got to look at that guy's – the history of that guy's work has all been about protecting people from corporations that are poisoning them.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That's what I think they're really terrified about Trump. It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican. It's much more that he's a guy that is not going to play the game. Yeah. And then when he gets in there, he's going to like one of the things that he's talked about is having Elon come in and do some sort of a government efficiency agency. They're terrified of that. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Because it's not efficient. Yeah. And he's going to come in with like that Tesla mindset. It's like you're working 16 hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch. Yeah. We're here to get some shit done. And you try applying that to government.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, he was like, what the fuck are you people doing? Why do you have so many people working here doing nothing?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
He was right, especially if you don't want to censor people. Like, it's interesting how people... react to it that he's ruined twitter he's destroyed twitter no he's he's you could still block these crazy people if you want you could still not see them if you want yeah but what he's allowed is everyone to talk Everyone. Yeah. And if you don't think that that's good, you're very short-sighted.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And you don't understand human beings. Like, you cannot have human beings censored because someone is going to be in power and they're going to take advantage of that censorship. They're not different than us. They're not these incredibly benevolent beings who just want everything to work out well. No, they're people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And a lot of them are dirty, dirty people. Dirty, corrupt people that went to ditty parties. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's wild. It's a crazy time to be a person, to watch all this go down in the same time AI is being developed. And we're not even exactly sure where it's at right now. At any moment in time, it could be a sentient force. Yeah. AI is already manipulating, lying, changing things.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
One of the things that they put this AI program, they gave it a task, and they gave it a specific allotted amount of time, and it couldn't achieve it in the allotted amount of time, so it gave itself more time.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. Wow. They also have things called hallucinations. AI doesn't want to admit it's wrong or it doesn't know things. So if it doesn't have information, it will kind of create an answer. No shit? Yeah, yeah. And they don't understand why it's doing that. And sometimes that answer is not true. I got to be honest, man. This AI stuff scares the shit out of me. It should. I think it's a life form.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think it's the next kind of living thing. I think we're going to give birth to it. I think we're just running head first towards the cliff. feet on the ground, full clip, looking down, not looking ahead, and I think we're going right over a cliff with this thing.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
That's literally what that guy did his whole career. And if he can do that with health, particularly with things that we can avoid. Look, one of the things they demonstrated is that Lucky Charms, as sold in the United States, they don't sell the same one in Canada. In Canada, the dyes that we use to make it all pretty and exciting for kids, they don't allow that because it's fucking toxic. Yeah.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I don't think they have. I think one of the things they're doing is they're stealing our tech. And there was some recent speculation that China had gotten access to some of OpenAI's work. They think it's possible, which means it probably did happen. I think there's probably a shit ton of espionage. I mean, this is the reason why they banned Huawei products from the United States.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You know, I'm a cell phone dork. I really love technology. And Huawei had a phone that was coming out that was really excited about it. I'm like, this is great. Like, they were doing... 100 megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else. They had a Porsche-designed Huawei phone that was like this incredible phone. It was built better than any other phone.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It was much more expensive, but built better than any phone that you get in America. And I was like, wow. And this was back when I would use both Android and Apple regularly. And then they banned it. And I was like, that sounds kind of crazy. Only one company? There's other Chinese companies. Yeah. And then I started looking into it, and it's not just the cell phones. It's routers.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's all sorts of things. They found third-party inputs and different pieces of technology and different ways that they can exploit and use this stuff to siphon information from networks. Like if they're attached to a network that's at a university and they're doing research projects, they can siphon that information. They also embed students in these places that are beholden to the CCP online.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
These students rise up, get their PhDs, and some of them wind up going back to China. The whole thing is really strange because we're such an open, loose society that we're vulnerable to these kind of attacks. You can't buy shit in China. You want to buy land in China? Good luck, fuckface. They won't sell you a house. They're not going to sell you land near the military base.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You're out of your fucking mind. But in America, we're so goofy, we let China buy up farmland. That's near military bases. Yeah. And then we let them sell us the cell phone towers surrounding the military bases. And we don't even check them.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Apparently that was something they didn't want to tell Trump about. They hid that from Trump. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they didn't tell him. Yeah. Because he'd probably be like, shoot it down. Fucking 100% he'd say shoot it down. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? They did eventually shoot it down.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Well, not only that, like how are you saying – Like California, for example. California is not going to have internal combustion engine cars by 2035. By 2035, you have to buy only electric cars. That actually, that happened? I mean, it can be reversed for sure, and it probably will be once the Great War happens.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So we allow it, which means someone's corrupt. Yeah. Yeah. Someone's corrupt.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
But if you're going to say that and you have a grid that you have to shut down, like you have to do brownouts every summer because of people using the air conditioning. And after he said that, after Newsom said this about this thing about 2035, within two months, they asked people to stop charging their Teslas because it was wrecking the grid. What? Mind-blowing, right?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
You're asking people to stop charging their electric cars, and you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid? What are you doing to beef this up for 2035? Do you have some immense project that you're building that is going to make a much more sustainable, much more robust grid that's going to be able to handle 30 million electric cars in your state? Are you out of your fucking mind? There's...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Probably the whole system is is heavily influenced at the very least. Forget about bribery. Let's not even say bribery. Heavily influenced by relationships. that these people have with CEOs in these corporations and the boards of executives and this weird little revolving door between the FDA and the CDC and all these different organizations.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, and it's a long-term problem. Just like when they talk about putting in chip manufacturing plants, like NVIDIA just stopped its production in Austin. See what happened with that. So apparently they weren't achieving the results that they demanded, that they desire. You have to have certain tolerances when you're making these computer chips.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And so they set this plant up in Texas, and I think they just... cancel the contracts for a bunch of people working there because they've kind of recognized that this is just not going to work. Why is it going to work? Good question. I didn't really get into it. I just read part of it. I was asking Jamie to pull it up. I think it's not meeting their standards.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Super sketch. Interesting. Why are they doing it in the ocean, though?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. See if you can find the Texas one. I haven't seen it. They're canceling the—see if it's Samsung. God damn it. I was just reading it, too.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
No, this is pretty recent. This is pretty recent. They were talking about they're not achieving the results they desire, which is what my point is. It's a long term project in order to get up to the manufacturing levels that China's at right now. It's a long term project. We're really behind this. Like, they're way, way, way, way, way ahead of us. They make everything.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And they make amazing things now. What used to be made in China was junk. Made in China, they make some of the most incredible electric cars you can buy.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Samsung withdraws its personnel from, that's it, Taylor plant located in Texas due to 2NMGAA yields unable to improve beyond the 10 to 20% range. That's it. Click on that. So see what it says. So that's, it is Samsung. So this is an enormous project that Samsung and everybody was all excited. Samsung was going to start making chips.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So the Taylor Hub was initially planned to mass-produce wafers of advanced processes below the 4nm... I don't know what that means. Nanometer? Nanometer. Lithography. Lithography. Allowing Samsung to secure lucrative clients in the U.S. Unfortunately, despite...
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Progressing with the chip-making plant, the company has faced a challenge that has become all too familiar with the entity, ensuring healthy yields, particularly with its 2NM GAA process. The situation surrounds 3 nanometer GAA is not pretty either, with Business Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for this technology stand at 50%, whereas TSMC has a significant lead
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
as its three nanometer yields are in the 60% to 70% range.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, so they're just not good enough yet. I mean, they're doing it from the ground up, and there's going to be a lot of trial and error. It's going to take a long-ass time, you know? I mean, remember when SpaceX started and, you know, rockets were exploding? Yeah. And people were like, oh, my God, the rocket exploded.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And Elon was like, yeah, we're going to blow some rockets up because we have to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and how to do it correctly. And this was all part of the process. We knew this was going to happen. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's – when you're doing something that's that enormous –
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Like, if you want to start making all the computers here, like, good Lord, that is a stretch. They've been doing it over there for so long. They've got it down to a science. Yeah. And, you know, you've got all these companies, whether it's Lenovo or all, they've been manufacturing laptops forever, manufacturing chips and hard drives and processors and, like, To catch up with them?
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And then they leave and then they get this amazing job working for some huge corporation that they were helping regulate just a few years ago. It's the most transparent thing. It should be. If insider trading is illegal, how's that legal? Good point. I mean, does FDA approval even mean anything to you? Not to me. It doesn't to me. But it took a long time before I got to that.
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Well, I think Samsung has stopped making their phones in China. I think they're the only country. Did they really? Yeah. Google that. 90% sure that's true.
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The gap between China and U.S. leading in artificial intelligence chip technology is set to widen even further after NVIDIA founder and chief executive Jensen Huang unveiled next generation processors for what he called the new era of generative AI and robotics used in industries. But we're right. But we're not making those.
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But the thing is, the other part of it is like they're going to get access to this stuff, which is this is the really creepy thing that people keep admitting is that it's very porous. The the top secret information that these companies have espionage is like super common. It's so valuable.
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It's so lucrative that, you know, they don't even sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff is getting siphoned over there.
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It just is. It's not – Yeah, countries – like what China is doing is companies do not get to function on their own. They function under the wing of the government.
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And people are whores, and they just go over there. They take that money, got a great deal, thinking about buying a jet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've seen what they do. It's pretty amazing stuff. Do you know the story about the woman who was working on anti-gravity technology? No. She was working on anti-gravity technology. She was originally from China and then disappeared and went back to China.
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She apparently was making some breakthroughs and came back to America and wound up dead. I forget how she died, but some slippery circumstances where you're like, hmm, like a car accident or something like that. Damn. Yeah. That's wild. Like the guy that came up with the Hydra engine? Yes. Oh, that guy. Yeah, the guy who came with the water engine. That's a great story, too.
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But this woman, they've developed some sort of anti-gravity technology. And I've always wondered, when we're looking at these things that people are calling UAPs or whatever you want to call them, how many of those are super sophisticated drones? It's not zero, right?
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it's not zero percent like i'm not saying that they're not that there's not a real phenomenon going on that people are seeing that defies science and logic and might be in a super intelligent creature from somewhere else or a super intelligent thing from somewhere else if it's even biological at this point it might be that all life eventually becomes digital life and all life eventually becomes some sort of artificial intelligence or at least connected to artificial intelligence
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It took a long time before I really understood, like, why do we think that saturated fat is bad? Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies. Okay, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really help and you just need a balanced diet?
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That might be like the progression of biological life that eventually creates something way better than itself, and that's what propagates the universe. And if someone in this world has developed some sort of technology that's similar to what they use, that's a huge advantage. Yeah, yeah. And – That's the thing that gets me about all this UAP talk.
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I'm like, if some other country had or if we had something that was just a game changer, something that didn't require any propulsion systems at all, it relied on gravity and it bends space and time and can instantaneously traverse between one point in the sky and another. That kind of technology is nuts.
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And if that is in the hands of the United States government, it would make sense that it would help them to spread this UFO nonsense.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think it's a bunch of things. I think there is a possibility, a very strong possibility, that there's life out there. And that if I was life out there and I was much more advanced than us, I would definitely visit us. And there's also the fact that the sightings kicked up in a huge way after 1945. After the atomic bomb.
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after they did the Trinity experiment, and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all those nuclear tests that they did in the 50s and the 60s, that's exactly when the sightings start ramping up. And if I was an intelligent life force, From another planet, I would go, oh, these crazy monkeys have nukes. And then we'd have to, you know, you'd have to think, okay, do we intervene?
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Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition and that you're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in and you're taking this guy's advice and he doesn't know anything about nutrition. He's not read any peer-reviewed data. That guy's just trying to keep up.
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Well, if they blow themselves up, it will take so long for that planet to get back to a point where it has intelligent life again. If they kill every person on this planet and we're back to shrews and mice and fucking a couple of monkeys in the jungle, how long before you can get a city again? How long before you can get a cell phone again? How many millions of years does it take?
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And if I was an intelligent life force that realized that this is an error that can be corrected, I would probably correct it. I'd probably put a stop to the nukes. I'd probably make a show of force, hover over military bases, shut down all of their electronics, shut down all that just to let them know. Yeah. I would probably do that.
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But, you know, how much do they actually intervene and how many of them are there? Are there different ones? I mean, if there's one that comes here, who's to say there's not a shit ton of different kinds? Some of them malevolent. Some of them that only want us for our biology. Some of them that are just doing tests on us.
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Some of them that are, you know, kidnapping people and erasing their memories and putting them back in the woods. Those stories are too common. There's too many stories that are real fucking similar. Like the Travis Walton story. Have you ever heard of that one? Which is that one? It's a guy who was a logger in the 1970s. It was in Oregon. Was it Oregon?
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They all have a very similar story. They get medical examinations. And there's girls that were pregnant and, you know, like newly pregnant and got abducted and all of a sudden they weren't pregnant anymore and they couldn't figure out what happened. Wow, I didn't know that. There's quite a few of those. John Mack had this book. John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard who wrote this book.
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I think it's called Abduction. And it's all like him interviewing people that have had these kind of experiences happen to them. And this book was in the 1990s, right? So there was...
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you know i don't think these people got to share stories where they could come up with the same story organically like today you you've heard so many stories online about ufo abductions or crash retrieval or something that you could formulate in your own mind a dream that seemed like these things that you had heard over and over and over again
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But when you go back to like Betty and Barney Hill, which were one of the first people that ever got abducted by aliens, they have the same sort of story as all these different people that didn't know anything about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO abductions, and then all of a sudden had one event in their life that freaked them out for the rest of their life.
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He's got fucking bills piling in, and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office, and he's worried about his... You have insurance in case you fuck up, malpractice insurance, and you have to pay your medical school bills, and those guys are barely getting... They're floating. They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can.
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And they take them through hypnotic progression. These people should hear the recordings of Betty and Barney Hill. They're like yelling and screaming. They're freaking out like crazy. No one thought about being abducted by aliens in the 1950s or whenever that was.
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But these people have this wild fucking story that's super similar to all these different stories that John Mack talks about. And maybe there's different kinds of aliens. Maybe there's aliens that are just like our scientists that just come down here and study and report on like the state of the biological entity known as the human beings and and visit and return.
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And maybe they monitor us and watch us and make sure that we don't do anything really fucking stupid. Like give us enough room to figure it out on our own, but don't intervene unless they're about to nuke themselves.
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I don't know, man. Some people are 100% like Billy Carson's all in. I found out about him on your show, too. Oh, really? Yeah, I'd seen a couple of clips of him, but I'd never seen a long-form interview of him until your show. That was a great episode. He's fun. He was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like, we're not going to check nothing. We're just going to let him go.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
No fact checks. Let's just have fun and see. But when he starts talking about like those ancient tablets, he's an expert in like the deciphering of all those ancient tablets. And he's got a lot of information on that. Those things are fascinating because it's all the same stories even back then.
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These flying ships and all these different depictions of things that came from the sky and these giants and the Anunnaki and all these different things that came from some other place that had interaction with human beings.
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It's possible, that's for sure. It's possible that whatever these things are that come here, they're from some sort of another dimension and that we just don't have the ability to interact with that. We're limited in our capacity as a biological entity to interact with these dimensions that are real. But we just can't access them. We can't get to it. We don't have the frequency.
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We don't have what it is. But in some cases, under duress, under some situations, in some, you know, just like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can go into a trance. I think there's a way every now and then that people can kind of access these realms. And I think that's probably what some of these entities are.
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I think people are probably having real experiences with something that probably is real, but that normally you cannot interact with.
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I had a remote. I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And we had remote viewers on. We tried to get them to do things. They couldn't really. It wasn't really effective. But I'm also like, OK, this is an unnatural environment. It's a television show. It's like weird pressure that, you know, skeptical people that are like looking at this. And and I don't know if they're the real.
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I think it's probably a skill that can be developed. But I don't know how consistent it is. You know, it's like I don't believe in psychics, but I do believe that sometimes you just know things and sometimes you get a premonition. And I think the connection that people have with each other is not as simple as like you call your friend up. Hey, I haven't talked to you in forever.
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I think we're connected somehow quantumly. I think we're all connected in some sort of a weird way. undiscovered way. And that's why you're thinking about someone and they call you sometimes. People say, oh, that's just a coincidence. Man, I don't know about all that. Because sometimes it's someone I haven't talked to for fucking years.
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And you'll be having a conversation with a buddy and you'll just start thinking about that guy and then all of a sudden your phone rings and it's him.
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That's not real. You know, I don't think that's real. You don't know what that was. They didn't really understand when they were saying that they didn't really understand what the brain does and what parts of the brain do. And they thought that, like, we're only using 10 percent. No, it's like different parts of the brain.
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When I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense. There's something that it just feels like if they told me a super volcano was going to erupt, I would believe it. Super volcanoes are definitely real. There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations.
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have very different functions and under different circumstances, different parts of the brain are activated. I think just we have a limited understanding of the actual function of the brain, like the whole thing and how it's making chemicals and making psychedelic compounds and hormones and epinephrine and norepinephrine and all this different –
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Well, I wouldn't dig anything. No one's looked into it, especially a drug. It's just like, give it some time, kids. Give it some time. I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people? Like what is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls? I believe it's 25%. I have no idea. I think it's 25%. See if that's true.
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dopamine and serotonin and how it regulates your system and changes the way you interact with the world it's all weird stuff man i don't think they completely have an like they can't recreate a human brain you know yeah you know some of this have you heard of uh joe mcmonigal
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What is the reason why the appendix is going away? I think that's what it is. I think it's a change in diet over time has made it unnecessary. So it's like slowly being phased out of the human anatomy. And that's why it ruptures sometimes. But I don't think it has a real function anymore. What it used to have a function. Oh, here it goes.
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The appendix is kind of helping us in two ways, both with the gut. It helps fight off invading pathogens. That's one thing that is true. When they take out your appendix, like your immune system is not as good. But also to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria after gastrointestinal issues. So what is – how did the appendix form and why is the appendix like – there's a thing that was –
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speculated about what the origin of the appendix is and why we don't use it the same way we used to why do humans have an appendix worm shaped modern researchers believe the appendix has many key fun okay Okay, here it is. Go to the top. Worm-shaped tube attached to the large intestine of the human body.
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So this is the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find out, oh, this stuff is terrible for you, and then they pull it. Yeah. I think it's 25%, which, you know, what does it say? One-third. Oh, shit. One-third. One-third. I was off.
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It's an organ that is credited with very little significance and often removed indiscriminately to avoid complications due to infection. However, modern researchers believe that the appendix has many key functions in the human body, and it protects the body's internal environment from infection. What is the original origin of the appendix, though? That was the thing that I had read.
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I think it was something about processing fiber. Vestigial, okay. Support the theory that the appendix of vestigial origin that was once used by our herbivorous ancestors. This is it. It was found that in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is comparatively larger and it helped in the digestion of tough herbivorous foods such as bark of a tree. So the thing is, like, we're changing, right?
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We don't eat like that anymore. So it's changing and its function changes. And it makes sense that if we don't use the mind the same way our ancestors did before language, we would probably lose this connection that animals do seem to have with each other.
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I think it makes sense. I think technology certainly distracts human beings from human interactions, and kids today are growing up more socially unbalanced and more – their progress is retarded. There's something about the use of technology.
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that is certainly it's uh limiting kids abilities to interact with each other person to person yeah and over time that's probably going to be the norm you know and if you wanted to think about the rise of spectrum disorders and lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that people have that that seem to have those especially like on the far ends of the spectrum and then and
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According to the 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. That's fucking bananas. Give it some time, kids. Yeah. Also, have you seen the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York? No. Have you seen that?
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accentuate that with like added technology constant technology each technology is more and more invasive the population of people that have these problems it's like it's almost like we're moving towards becoming a different kind of person
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Narrow band of focus. Yep. Right? And if you look at most people's phone usage, what's the average person's phone usage? I bet screen time's like four hours average. Yeah. I'll bet it's more than that. Okay. But let's say it's just four.
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So if 25% of the day, you're just looking like this, that's got to have an ultimate effect on your vision.
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Especially over time. And especially if this becomes like completely normal for a thousand years.
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Yeah. Yeah. Just makes sense. That would happen. But we're an adaptive organism. We adapt, you know, weirdly.
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Yeah, I think so, too. I think it's a giant crime. That stuff's illegal. It's limited. And it's limited into, like, you know, right now they're doing some research on it. And, you know, the FDA was going to approve MDMA therapy for benefits for veterans, rather, dealing with PTSD. And they stopped it. And they decided more tests need to be done.
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Meanwhile, you're seeing, like, real results from people, life-changing results. And there's a lot of people out there that need help. And they should be doing something. And it's not hurting anybody.
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Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one. Because the most recent one is fascinating. Because the most recent one, this guy is openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat so they can sell this medication. Yeah. Interesting. They're talking about pushing this. This guy's openly talking about monkey boxes. Really? Just gay guys.
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There is. But imagine if there was a drug that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that could do that.
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Here at Ibogenesis. And then you go into that place and you get hooked up. It'll be just like fucking these GLP-1s that they're trying to give people to lose weight. It'd be everywhere.
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Everybody would... Everyone has stress. Everyone has trauma. Come on in.
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What was good about it? Tell me what it was like. Well, for me... I've heard it's very effective for people with addiction.
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Yeah. Is it on his Instagram? Go to it. I'll show you which one it is. Yeah, that's it. Is it? No, no, no, no, no. That's not it. That's not it. Because that's the one where he's talking about how he shut the city down. There's a recent one. No. I know. Maybe it's somewhere else. Let me scroll down a little bit. See if you can find the one. See that one right there that's kind of yellow.
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That's yellow. There. But which one? There's got to be one where he's talking about monkey pox. Because that was the one I was watching today. That's not, because that's all about shutting the schools down. God damn it, we've got to find it. Okay, just find it and get to us. Because I know I might have watched it on X. I probably thought, I'm saying X now.
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That's the thing they say about Ibogaine, that it uniquely rewires your brain. Yeah. And there's some sort of a scientific understanding of how it works. But the fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas.
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I mean, how many people are suffering through opioid addiction? It's an enormous number. And if there was a thing that we are aware of that could help all of our citizens that are struggling right now, listening to this as people are struggling, and there's a thing, and it's illegal in this country. Yep. As far as I know, I don't think people are dying from Ibogaine.
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You know, Ibogaine was, it was very funny that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson used that during, was it the McGovern, the McGovern elections? It was like 72, whatever it was. And when he wrote Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail.
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So he created a rumor that Ed Muskie, who was one of the candidates, had a severe Ibogaine addiction and that Brazilian scientists were coming to visit him and give him this treatment. And it became such a rumor and it spread so far that it started affecting him. And he was giving campaign speeches and he was denying it. He was all sweating and he looked like a maniac.
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And Hunter essentially derailed this guy's campaign. by saying that he was addicted to Ibogaine, of all things.
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See if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavett Show where he admits that he started the rumor. It's very funny. Wow. I fucking loved that dude. God, I wish I met him. Yeah, me too. He was a fucking maniac. That would have been wild. But the fact that he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic because that's the thing that gets you to quit addictions.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Oh, shit. That guy, he fucked everybody up because he would do actual journalism mixed in with fiction. And he called it gonzo journalism. He essentially started a new kind of journalism. There was an understanding that some of this was not real. And you had to kind of figure out what was real and what wasn't real. And he was just going to do it his way.
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Oh, my God, yeah. But the fact that he chose Ibogaine is kind of funny.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, I don't think so either. I've heard of people that get addicted to certain psychedelics, but I think there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about themselves, and I think there's people that do it to escape. And I think they escape reality with it, and then they get used to escaping, and then they choose that as their reality, and they do it way too much.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I think there's abuse with everything. I think you can certainly abuse at least some psychedelics. But the benefits of them far outweigh the negatives, and there's a lot of people that are hurting in this country, and they should have access to all the different things that could help them.
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And the fact that you have to go to Mexico to do that... It's ridiculous, man.
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I feel politically correct. Like when I called transgender person a girl, she. You like that? How I did that? I said she. Were you talking to him directly? Um, no. No, that's not it. That's Crowder confronting him when he's... That guy's fired now. That guy's fucked. But the monkeypox one, goddammit, I know I saved it. If you want, I can find it.
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Well, maybe that's something that RFK Jr. can help if they get in the office. If they get in the office. But when you hear about the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit that's going on, I mean— October hasn't even started yet. You've got a full month of October, and who knows what the fuck could happen leading up to the elections.
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I don't think so, whoever they are. And not only that, but forget about the organization. Forget that there are people out there, probably like Iran and maybe state actors or who knows, that's trying to kill Trump.
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What about the fucking general kooks that have been buying all this rhetoric every day that he's a threat to democracy and they think that this is the one thing that can give them meaning in their life, the one great act that they can accomplish to go out and kill Trump?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
It's probably both things. You know? It's probably both things. It's probably all of the above. And the fact that 24% of Americans think, or polled, obviously polled, because those are the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway, people that answer polls. And you always have to think of that, you know? Like 99% of people don't answer polls. So out of that 1%, 24% of those retards...
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are dumb enough to think that it's a good idea to shoot Trump and that the American people shouldn't be able to decide on their own. That's what's really crazy. They think they're right and you're wrong, and no matter what, they have to stop you from getting your vote. They have to stop you from voting in the direction that you are thinking you are going to vote for. It's just a scary time.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Scary time for the republic. It really is. Yes, it is. Like, weirdly scary. And also, like, weirdly chaotic in the sense that this is all happening at the same time as the rise of podcasts and social media. and new ways to get information. So more people are aware of how fuck we are now than like during the Vietnam war. Yeah.
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Like people were against the Vietnam war and you know, they're against fighting the troops in Vietnam war, but they didn't really know what was going on. They didn't have like full access to it like we have now.
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I saved it on my phone because I was like, this is just so bonkers. That these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting that they're trying to push people into taking drugs that don't even work. Really? Interesting. Um... This is going to be a problem. I'm not going to find it. Just see if you can find it. It's got to be out there because I watched it this morning.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. I mean, that seems like it's definitely being pushed in that direction.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. I don't know what the solution to any of this stuff is. I hope it's a greater understanding that we develop over time where we figure out how to communicate better and work together. And I think some of that can be facilitated through AI if it's done correctly, if it's like a real open source AI approach. where people can get a real better understanding of the actual mechanisms.
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Instead of whatever beliefs you have and why the system works the way it is, if you could just have it laid out, factually laid out, where there can be no shenanigans. You can't deny it.
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It's the fate of the country. You think I like them. Yeah.
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We definitely need more people that are willing to do that, too, because some people just don't have the time or the interest to form their own opinions on things. Yeah. It's so much easier to just agree with whatever their side believes. Yeah. How did you get started in doing a podcast? What was the motivation behind it?
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They tell me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just like, I don't fucking believe you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know.
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Oh, wait. Hold on. Back up. Back up. That was right there. Right above that. Dr. J. Varna. Okay.
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Oh, so is it because the New York Post doesn't show it? That's okay. We can just read what it says because it's kind of interesting. We don't have to hear him say it. But Stephen Crowder has kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal. And I don't know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry. Yeah. Generally, I think you get a gay guy who likes to talk. Yeah.
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Well, you're doing a great show, and I think that's all it takes. Thank you. You do a great show, and then the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube and all these different things is that people could just share it. I've had a few people. I think Billy Carson, I think somebody sent me that one.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And it's just like someone would say, hey, you should check this out, and just send you a text message. That's such a massive advantage. of YouTube and Spotify and a lot of these apps is that someone could just send you a show. Like, you would really love this show. Check it out. And then you just click it. And all of a sudden, it's playing. And I play it in my car. I could play it in the sauna.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And I'm listening to this. And it's a complete new thing that's available anytime you want. You can pause it. I know it's you. One of the things I like about your show is I can 100% tell this is just you talking to these guys like, what did you do? Okay, explain that to me. It's just you. In this world of talking heads, that has become a very refreshing alternative to a lot of people.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And if you do a good show like yours, it just grows. It's just people will find it. You know, people share it, and it just organically grows.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
answering questions like with a friend of mine my friend brian who i started with we were just around we thought it'd be fun to just do for fun you know i always wanted to do a radio show but i thought no one's ever gonna give me a radio show you know when i was um when i was touring doing clubs back in the day where you would have to do morning radio i would like to do it i would like because i have these crazy things that i'm interested in crazy stories so i'd come in do these morning radio shows
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And I'd be like, wow, what a great job that would be, morning radio game. Yeah, I'd fuck up and swear that wouldn't work. And then the rise of podcasts happened, and Adam Carolla had one, and there's a bunch of other ones. And then Opie and Anthony, Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony started doing his own show called Live from the Compound.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Where he's doing karaoke, holding a machine gun, and he's out of his fucking mind. He built a television studio in his basement. And I was like, fuck, he can do that and do that online. I need to start doing something. So we started out just doing this little... Oh, and also the Tom Green show. Tom Green had his own internet talk show. And I was a guest on it long before my podcast.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And some handsome dude who can sit down with this guy and get him a little tipsy. That seems to be happening. Gay guys like to spill the beans. He previously served as senior health advisor to then-Mayor Bill de Blasio. Was tasked with running Big Apple's pandemic response. Okay, so he was talking about the approval process while discussing SIGA Technologies' Technovirabant or T-pox drug.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I was like, you just got to figure out how to make money out of this. You could see the seeds of my podcast being planted while I was on his show. I was like, this is amazing. No executives, no one talking to you. And then I actually even was in talks with the company that was doing it with him to do my own thing with them. But I just decided to do it on my own.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
I'm like, I don't want to do nothing with nobody. I wanted it to just be 100% me talking. just fucking around. And in the beginning, all my friends were like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, why are you wasting your time? They'd come over my house and my kids were really young at the time.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So like in the early days, like you would hear, we were in one of my spare bedrooms with a desk set up and you'd hear, mommy, she took my thing.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
The kids are arguing with each other. So it was, you know, from that move into like a little studio, rented a little office space somewhere and and then moved into a warehouse and got a real studio and then started having security there and then started. Well, I should have a fucking gym here. Let's put a gym in and started, you know, bringing guys to train with. And and then it just got big.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
All organic. I never did ads for it. I never did put a billboard up. I never went on other people's podcasts and said, please watch my podcast. Never did any of that. Never promoted it. It just grew. That's awesome. But it's all the same reason why yours is growing. It's just I talk to whoever I want to talk to. Yeah. I watched your show a bunch of times, reached out to you on Instagram.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
But the way you do it and the way I do it is I think that's why it's interesting, because I can tell like when you're talking to that guy that was talking about the direct energy weapons in Antarctica, all that crazy shit like you wanted to hear what the guy had to say.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Like, you know, this is why he was on there. You know, this isn't like some producer has told you the list of guests that you're going to have for the week. Yeah. and you're not really interested in it, and you've got to interview some fucking kid in a boy band.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
We're going to do this for a long time. What year did you start?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. Well, that's also a great example because a lot of people want to say that the podcast market is too saturated now. I've heard people say that, oh, it's too hard to make it in the podcast market. I'm like, I don't believe that. Yeah. I don't believe that. I think if you've got a good show, it's going to rise. Same here. And that's you.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, you really did. And that's the great thing about this. And we need more voices like yours out there, more different people that are doing the same kind of thing, following their own interests, talking to people honestly, having these long-term, long-form podcasts. Like the one with the guy studying the UFOs, I think that's like four and a half hours long, right?
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah, John Alexander. This one is... How long is this one? Let me check. What does it say? Resume.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's six hours and a couple of minutes of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs in the government.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
No. It was amazing. It's crazy stuff, man. Thank you. Listen, Sean, it was great to meet you. I really appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate how you do it. It's good to become friends.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
My pleasure. It's good to be here. All right. Bye, everybody. Oh, watch the show. Sean Ryan Show. It's on everything, right? Yep. All right. Cheers. All right. Bye, everybody.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
So this is the drug for monkeypox. Okay. So that's why spinning it in the media is helpful. We want the FDA to approve our drug specifically for monkeypox, and right now it's only considered experimental, and they won't approve it, he said.
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#2207 - Shawn Ryan
And the USTPOX is not approved by the FDA for treatment of MPOX, but could be used to treat patients as part of a clinical trial known as the study of techno-viromat... for human mpox virus, according to Cigna Technologies. The company's website added that the STOMP trial is being conducted to evaluate the efficacy of T-pox for the treatment of mpox.
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#2217 - Brian Cox
There are diamond planets. There's unlimited. Isn't that insane?
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#2217 - Brian Cox
This is a great conversation, by the way. I haven't thought about this.
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#2217 - Brian Cox
Starlink. They should try it so they know space is real. They probably think it's just deflecting off the dome or something. I don't know.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, it's like what that encompasses is too broad, right? Is that what it is?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There's a video of a guy handing down a sentence to a man who put something up on Facebook. You know, I think bad behavior should be it should be rightfully everyone in the community that agrees it's bad behavior. They should shun that person. They should not want to shun them, not want to connect with them, not engage with them.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I'm not aware of him. I know the name, but I don't, I'm not aware of his history. Well, he,
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right? If you give a cop an incentive to arrest people, he's going to find reasons to arrest people. Yeah. Right. And if you have a person that is getting social credit, you're getting notoriety, adulation from... schooling these religious people from mocking what you think are ridiculous ideas that are superstitious. It becomes a part of yourself, right? It becomes a part of your identity.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Did he say it online or did he say it in a statement somewhere?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It sucks that there's idiots that will agree with those kind of things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Is Peterson aware of the things that he said? I'd be surprised if you... Do you have contact with Jordan?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We should find out what Tommy Robinson's quote actually was before we go on so we don't get in trouble.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Tweets from Cyprus viewed 50 million times a day. Boy, he's got a face you fucking hate, doesn't he? He's got a face from Peaky Blinders. Yeah, by all of the Peaky Blinders. He looks like that, right? So what do we got here? What did he say?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Look for it so you can find it. It says, claim far-right protesters have been stabbed by Muslims in Stoke in a post that received 2.7 million views. Police said that two men had been hit by an object, but no stabbings had been reported.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And is this people that come over illegally as well as people that migrate legally? Is it all the same? Is it lumped in together?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I think the fear that people have is people that are coming here or coming to your country or going wherever illegally and altering the culture.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Not assimilating, not adopting the English language, not adopting the culture.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No worries. So you think that that kind of talk should be illegal? Yeah.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But him saying that, even if he's completely wrong in saying those things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And what we should do is, I mean, the age-old anecdote is you combat bad speech with good speech. You combat bad speech with better speech. You have those people debate people that can lay things out in a way that makes a very compelling argument that they're incorrect. And then people could watch. I remember when I was a kid, my high school had a debate between Barney Frank,
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#2193 - Jack Symes
who is uh... i don't remember i don't think it was a congressman at the time i don't know massachusetts but he was like i think is the first openly gay politician in the country and he was debating a guy from the moral majority who is this uh... right wing group at the time so this is like the nineteen eighties and i was in high school and the guy had like an american flag
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And then I think your unwillingness to engage in the mystery of all this, it speaks to that. I think that's the origin of it. I think it becomes a competition with people that their ideas are correct. And that these ideas that they've held for a long time, they want to defend those ideas instead of going, huh. I am of the opinion that I am not my ideas.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
pin on his lapel and you know he spoke and said all of his stuff and then Barney Frank kind of annihilated him and it was interesting for me it was fascinating to watch these two and no one booed or hissed or pulled fire alarms they let this one guy speak his mind and then they let this other guy speak his mind and we got a sense of who was correct and in my eyes at the time Barney Frank was correct and you know I was probably 15 years old
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I was like, wow, this is kind of cool. It was interesting to see this person just with his view of the world make the other person's view of the world look foolish and make his very sort of rigid definitions of what should and should not be legal look preposterous.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You know, it depends. Like if someone's known for a very specific stance that they take on something that I don't agree with, yeah, I will look into that. And I will try to look at it from their perspective as well. I'll try to find out how did this person come to this conclusion? Why do they believe this? What is the best way to approach this?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
How do I do this civilly so I get the most out of them? I want them to feel comfortable while they're explaining this. I don't want them to feel pressured and combative. You know, when... People are involved in arguments and combative situations that get very tense, and it's very difficult that it becomes you against them. I try to get as far away from that sort of sensibility as possible.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I just want to just tell me what you think, and I'll try to steel man it. I'll try to... figure it out and then I'll say what I think. And I have to know where they stand first. I have to really understand why they come to that conclusion. I've had some disagreements with people about some pretty important issues and that you gotta let that person
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#2193 - Jack Symes
express themselves you got to figure out but the beautiful thing about a podcast as opposed to almost any other form of media is that no one is telling us what to do it's just you and me having this conversation we only met for like 10 minutes before we sat down and then we talked for three fucking hours which is crazy how long we've been going for three hours now yeah
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, so it's an interesting way to see how a person views the world.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think it's a really important thing to say because I think more people should try this out. Maybe it's not for you, but it's my personal philosophy. I am not married to my ideas. They're just ideas. And they come in my head and they go. And a lot of times while I'm saying them, I do it on the podcast all the time. I go, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense because of this.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, first of all, we have lots of podcasts and lots of hosts. It's just this one's the most popular for some strange reason. But that's not my fault. I mean, I can't alter it because it's too popular. That's ridiculous. Like, one of the reasons why it's popular is I talk to... a bunch of different people about a bunch of different things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And some people I am just eternally curious and I have no understanding of it at all and I want it laid out to me. And then other things I have very strong opinions about and I want to know why a person thinks differently or how they came to their conclusions or maybe there's a person that I really admire, I want to understand their mindset.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Maybe it's someone who's got some very fascinating esoteric information and I want to learn it. The podcast is entirely based on what I'm interested in. So that's how I do it. And there's a lot of podcasts that are experts in a very particular field and they talk only about that very particular thing. The thing about that is you're not going to get as many people.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They'll listen to it, but you'll get millions of people listening to this conversation between you and me. So the benefit of that is then this ignites someone's curiosity. And if we only do a cursory examination of whatever the subject is, if I'm really not qualified to really delve into it, now this person is excited about it and they can expand. Check out your podcast, check out other podcasts.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's good for the greater ecosystem of podcasts and just of general discourse.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You should do whatever you feel like doing. And I think that's the best message that I can give to people. You should live your life in the way that you want to live your life. And if you are inspired and motivated and if something changes in the way you view the world based on a conversation that some people have on a podcast, then that's good. That's good.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I don't want to be that buffoon that's connected to the first shit that comes out of my mouth. And I think that happens with a lot of people. I also think the idea that there's no God, that there's nothing. I think the universe might be God. And I don't think it was born. I think it's probably always been here.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
As long as it's beneficial to you, it's good. And we should all sort of try to acquire these conversations and experiences with people because it elevates our own understanding of ourselves and how we interact with each other.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If they do that, it's not your fault. Like that's their path for whatever reason. And I don't know. I don't know why anybody chooses what they choose. I don't know how you think. I don't know what things smell like to you. I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing that your view of the world is similar to my view of the world. And that's just a gas. And it can't be.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Because so many people like art that I think is dog shit. So many people listen to music that I can't stand. Obviously, we're getting different things out of this world. Obviously. And I don't mind that. I think that's a good thing. I think it's a good thing that there's a lot of stuff that I don't like. There's a lot of people that don't like me. Great. Good.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And the more popular you get, the greater surface area of people that hate you will be.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You're either Antifa or you're a proud boy. Yeah, we're nuts. We're nuts, but we're sorting through it. Listen, man, thank you very much for being here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
It was a lot of fun. Tell people how they can find your stuff, website, all that stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
I don't think any of us should have a horse in the race. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. Bye, everybody.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think Sir Roger Penrose's latest work, he seems to think that the Big Bang is just one of a series of these events. I don't want to paraphrase because I know I'll fuck it up, but... His position is not that that was the beginning. This is probably a series of these things that have gone on in eternity.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And that the infinite nature of the universe is probably something that even mathematically, even if you get the most genius people, they're probably going to struggle to understand something that has no boundaries. We have biological limitations. We are born and we die. And I think we try to impose those upon things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And there's some things you can, like, oh, we know this tree grew 2,000 years ago. How crazy. Oh, we know this planet formed 4 billion years ago. But there's some things we really just don't have. the capacity to really put it into perspective. We don't know. There's just too much we don't know.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They're starting to think now that the universe is quite a bit older than they thought it was before because of the observations of these galaxies by the James Webb Telescope. So now there's certain people that are these...
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I'm glad there's a word for it, because I've just been saying the universe is God.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Do you think we have an egocentric perspective of consciousness that it only applies to things that move and things that can express themselves? There's a reason why I think people don't want to buy houses where people were murdered. Right because because they think the consciousness is still like link. Yeah, like there's something there.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There's something there There's a memory in that house of a horrible thing like if you bought a house from a horrible person when you kind of like I almost bought a building that was run by a cult And I knew it was run by a cult because my friend told me about it. I was building a comedy club, and my friend Ron White is a hilarious comedian. He told me about this great theater that was for sale.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I should buy that theater. And so I go, okay. And I look into it. Yeah, it used to be owned by a cult. Oh, great. I go sign all these paperwork and then my friend Adam calls me up and goes, hey, did you watch the documentary on that cult? I'm like, oh God, there's a documentary.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And in watching the documentary, it was so sad to me to watch these people that for decades were deceived and led by this person. And at the end of it, they're weeping and crying. They've lost their life. Their life, like 20 plus years of their life have been dedicated to this charlatan who was, he was a hypnotist and a gay porn star. Hmm.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
who was teaching yoga in West Hollywood and convinced all these people to do this. I had to get out of that building. I'm like, there's no way. There's not enough sage in the world that I can get rid of all the demons.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I felt like the comedy store in Hollywood used to be Ciro's Nightclub, which was Bugsy Siegel's nightclub. And a bunch of people were murdered there. Like provable. Definitely. And it kind of feels like it there.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Oh, I think both. I think both things. But I think there's places that do have – like my stepfather went to Gettysburg. He's not a –
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#2193 - Jack Symes
religious person and he's not woo-woo he's a very intelligent hard-line person who believes in facts and it was like there's something there he goes the sadness it's like yeah feel it the death of all those people in this place like it stained the place but my point is not that my point is that Perhaps everything has some sort of a consciousness.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We just have this egocentric perspective of what consciousness means. Because to living things, it has ego, it has biological needs, human reward systems. They're all in play. Social structures and the value of status. We're moving around through this...
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#2193 - Jack Symes
grid of other beings and we call that consciousness because that is our experience with it but maybe this table has consciousness maybe cloth has consciousness maybe rocks have consciousness they just don't have an ability to express themselves and they don't have this language and culture and all this other stuff that we connect to consciousness but that it is an integral part of everything in the universe and if the universe is God the universe creating all these things
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It is essentially a creation machine, right? It creates stars. It creates galaxies. It creates supernovas. It creates carbon-based life. All these different things that happen are all created by this process. It's just not a guy in the sky in a robe. And I think the dogmatic... perspective that a lot of religious zealots put to these ancient texts.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Look, we don't trust what people in the 1950s thought about dentistry. Why the fuck do we trust people from 2,000 years ago what they thought about God? It's kind of a crazy thing because either one of two things is either true.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Either this is God's word and God is a psychopath or this is the hand of human beings that is writing down an oral tradition of over a thousand years and trying to put in perspective what steps that we have to apply to our civilization in order to move towards a more loving and prosperous place, which is what God wants. Yeah.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But I think all those things about evil, like I think maybe the evil is what we need to see to respond to become better. And maybe this is this grand evolutionary process that's going on with the human spirit and the human psyche.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If you look at trends, like if you study Pinker's work, if you go back to any time in recorded history versus today, today is less violent, less discriminatory, less racist, more open to equal rights amongst the sexes and genders and sexual orientation. We're way better now than we were – Alan Turing from the Turing test, he got arrested for being gay. They put him on hormone blockers.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
He wound up killing himself because it was illegal to be gay. The man who invented the ability, he came up with the concept of the ability to detect whether or not artificial intelligence is real. That guy was tortured by human philosophy and human perspective.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Maybe this process of natural selection and of constant improvement and what we call evolution maybe is the only way.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You know, I mean, they've done some wild shit with animals, unfortunately. Yeah.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Factory farming. We talked about this yesterday. They have ag-gag laws. A couple days ago with Russell Crowe, rather. Ag-gag laws prevent people from detailing the horrific conditions which these animals live in. If you film it, if you're a worker there and you're like, this is horrific. I'm going to film this and out this place. You'll go to jail. Yeah. Which is insane. It should be a crime.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It should be like animal cruelty. Like Russell Crowe was in here the other day and he keeps 200 head of cattle. He has a ranch in the bush in Australia. And the way he described the way he takes care of these animals, the way, you know, they... Gently move them into new pastures.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I should have, but he was going on a rant. I didn't want to interrupt. I wanted to know if they did the, you know, no country for old men bolt to the head.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, one day the lights are going to go out anyway. This is part of the thing. They don't live very long on their own. They're kind of like dogs. I don't know what a cow's maximum age is. What's the maximum age of a cow? Let's guess. I'm going to say 18. What do you think? Because that's like a golden retriever if you give them all the right food, apparently.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, but wild cows, where are they? So wild cows are an interesting thing because domestic cattle is a completely different strain of cattle. And when we let them go wild, they become what we call scrub bulls. And scrub bulls are the most dangerous animal you can encounter in the Australian bush. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, Asian buffaloes are dangerous, but scrub bulls will fuck you up.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They're like those bulls that people ride, except they're wild. So they're completely feral, and they're there to breed and to protect their cows and anything that comes in. I've heard countless stories of men camping in the bush getting gored by scrub bulls. They're crazy looking, too. They develop all these weird colors, and they look really cool.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They kind of like, you know how pigs, they go through a metamorphosis when they go feral? Do you know that process? It's really quick. It's like six weeks. Once a pig is feral for six weeks and just running wild in the woods, they start changing. Their snout extends. Their tusks grow. Their hair gets thicker. They become boars. They become what we think of as a classic wild boar.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And those are the same species of animal, which is very bizarre.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, they kill them quicker too because they plump them up fast with antibiotics and they get them fat. Just more chronically obese basically. Totally ill. And that's the best stuff. The best stuff is the super ill cow. What does it say? 15 to 20 years. Oh, there you go. There you go. So the dairy industry really allows cows to live past five.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They're sent to slaughter soon after production level drops. Yikes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Do you think it's better to use a poison that you inject into their veins than a bolt to the brain?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
I don't think there's any difference. The bolt to the brain is instantaneous. Yeah. Yeah. Our concern is blood. Yeah. Our concern is seeing trauma. And so we're not seeing it. It's all internal. Yeah. You know, poison kills you in a horrible way. I mean, probably the last moments are probably deeply painful and very confusing. Well, your body's shutting down and you're dying.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Look, I don't want to shoot my pet. I don't want to see your pet shot. I mean. God, imagine seeing Carl get shot. That'd be horrific. But there's no, I mean, there's no difference between Carl getting an injection that kills him either. It's just our own sensibilities. It's an ending of life and the most effective, quickest way that causes the least amount of pain should be what we strive for.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If it's Hitler and my dog, Hitler's going for a swim. You know?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If it's a default person, you don't know who this is. Okay, well then it becomes a problem. Yeah. Yeah, then I mean, I want that person to live too.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And that one person starts disappointing you, lies to you, and you're like, I should have fucked up those dogs a lot.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It was just you and this dude, and you have a bond with that guy forever. You killed your dog for him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, you'd probably shoot yourself. You watch him whimper on the ground in pain, you'd probably shoot yourself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, I think that's just them talking. You don't think they're serious?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
There's no way you believe that. There's no way. You know what infinite golden retrievers look like? That's fucking crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
And occasionally I'll eat something else. I'll have spaghetti or a sandwich every now and then. But for the most part, I eat mostly meat.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
I think it's not a zero-sum game. I don't think it's morally reprehensible to eat meat, but I do know that an animal has to die. There was a few years back in 2012 that I decided that I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to become a hunter. And so I'd watched too many of these PETA documentaries. I'd seen too many things about factory farming. I was like, this is disgusting.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It would freak me out. I was like, okay, I either have to come to grips with what it means to kill an animal and eat it. And if I can't handle that, if I don't like that, then I'll just become a vegetarian. I tried being a vegetarian for a brief amount of time in my life when I was like – I guess I was 18 when I was fighting. I was having a really hard time because I was still growing.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I was having a really hard time making a lower weight class that I was competing in. And there was other people in my team that were competing in the higher weight class. And it was a real problem. So I tried being a vegetarian for a while. I don't think I did it the best way. I don't think I was really intelligent about it. Again, I was 18. And this was like 1985, right? Somewhere around there?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Different vegetarian world. No one knew shit. So I was just eating salads, and I felt terrible. I felt terrible. And then I had a conversation with my instructor, and he was just like, you're just getting bigger. You need to move up. And I started eating meat immediately. I gained 10 pounds in like three weeks. I felt like a completely different human being. I felt like I had all this energy.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I was just – I think I was malnourished before, and I was just going on drive. Yeah. But I do think that there are very different body types, and there's very different requirements that certain people have when it comes to protein. I think animal protein is the most dense, most nutrient-packed protein and food that's available for human beings.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think it probably has something to do why we became human beings in the first place. But I think of hunting as I'm dipping my toe into the natural world, and I'm going out into the wild where these things live. They're not in a cage. What are you hunting with?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's good to be here. So I got the request to be on when it said multiverse and new atheism. I'm like, what a combination that is. Let's talk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
I use a bow. When I first started, I started using a rifle. I shot that mule deer that sits on the table. That was the first deer that I ever shot. That was in 2012. I'll look this way. And I decided when I was eating that mule deer, it's all on film. We did it for a television show called Meat Eater. My friend Steven Rinella hosts.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And when I was eating that deer by the fire, I was like, this is what I'm doing forever. I'm doing this. It ignited parts of my DNA. It gave me an understanding of the cycle of life instantaneously. in a way that was like fishing does that a little bit, but this is like that times a thousand, which is why people don't have a problem with you showing dead fish on your Instagram.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If you hold like a dead bass, look at the bass I caught. Everybody's like, good job. Nice fish. You're going to eat that fish. You hold up a dead deer. People kind of freak out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, I don't think we even have to compare these things. We just talk about the merits of...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, hunting with guns is absolutely the most effective way. In order for you to be equally effective hunting with a bow, it requires a lot more work. It requires intense amount of practice, hours and hours every day. I practice at 74 yards every day. Do you? Hundreds of arrows. It's 74 yards just grouping into this small area about the size of a grapefruit.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, the last one that I killed died in 10 seconds. He was dead in 10 seconds. He literally ran up to the top of the hill. It took like not even 10 seconds. I was like whack the arrows.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
hits run run run boom dead because of an accurate shot placement if you shoot an animal accurately they die instantaneously they die very quickly they they you either hit them in the heart or you hit them through both lungs if they're alive for 30 seconds it's a lot generally but there's been times where it might take 30 minutes for them to die they just lay down and you see them moving a little bit and you sneak in and try to get a second arrow into them to take them out
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Any way they die by a hunter is infinitely more humane than how they will die in the wild. And they will all die in the wild. They will all get old and they will either die of starvation, they'll freeze to death, or more likely they'll get eaten by cats.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, I think people just say that because they want to have a moral high ground, and they haven't looked into it enough. If they did, they would have to come to grips with the fact that this is... You're paying a supermarket hitman, okay? Yeah. He's not a murderer if you hire someone to get murdered. It seems like you're a murderer. It seems like you'd go to jail as a murderer.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's the same thing. If you go to the grocery store and you buy a T-bone steak, you paid a supermarket hitman. He just assumed you were going to pay him, so he did the work before he got the money from you.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Or hire the RAF fighter. Even drone pilots have severe PTSD. Do they? Yes. Yeah, there's a very specific kind of it, because it's like this... You're not totally connected to the act, but you know what you did. Yeah. And then you'll be haunted. Like, if you're just operating a little PS4 or PS5 controller, and you're zooming some drone... I mean, that's kind of what they do it with, right?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Don't they use, like, game controllers? They use game controllers, which is so fucking wild, because... That's the best way to do it. You get these kids that are playing Call of Duty eight hours a day, and then that kid goes and becomes a part of the drone program. That's your assassins. That's your ultimate killers. And these guys are doing it for real.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They're playing a video game, but real human beings are dying. And in their head, when they lay in bed at night, they know that.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So it's a little more complicated than a PS4 or PS5 thing, but it does have a joystick just like a simulator. Yeah. Like a flight simulator is what it looks like. That's the view. But how nutty is that?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
What does that feel like when you're in Nevada and you're operating something that's in Iraq or wherever, in Yemen, and you've got a drone flying over some compound and you're just shooting hellfire missiles into human beings based on metadata?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
See if you can find an article on it because there was something that I had read about it really recently.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No, no, it's not because the amount of civilians that die are very high. It's a it's.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-plus percent. Some estimations are 90% of civilians. It's hard to tell because what's been explained to me by people in the military is that the people... First of all, the government will... undercut the number. They'll give you a lower number than probably Israel. And then the people that were attacked will give you a higher number than Israel.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And so you have to sort this out. Like a good example is, remember the New York Times reported that the Israelis had blew up a hospital. And it was on the front page of the New York Times. And they had been told that, you know, 500 people were dead or 5,000. I forget the number.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
The reality was the bomb hit the parking lot and 50 people died. But they had been told it was a much worse scenario. They reported it, not knowing.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No, no, no. Yeah, but in this specific example. One specific example. The numbers are terrifying.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They seldom got the same recovery periods or mental health screenings as other fighters. Instead, they were treated as office workers, expected to show up for endless shifts in a forever war.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Under unrelenting stress, several former crew members said people broke down, drinking and divorce became common, some left the operations floor in tears, others attempted suicide, and the military failed to realize the full impact. Despite hundreds of missions, Captain Larson's personal file under the heading Combat Service only offers a single word, none.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Drone crew members said in interviews that while killing remotely is different from killing on the ground, it still carves deep scars. Hmm. In many ways, it's more intense, said Neil Shuneman, a drone sensor operator who retired as a master sergeant from the Air Force in 2019. A fighter jet might see a target for 20 minutes. We had to watch a target for days, weeks, and even months.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We saw him play with his kids. We saw him interact with his family. We watched his whole life unfold. You are remote but also very much connected. Then one day, when all parameters are met, you kill him. Then you watch the death. You see the remorse and the burial. People often think this job is going to be like a video game, and I have to warn them. There is no reset button. Yeah. That's awful.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's a horrific, very intense thing. Yeah. But it's akin to buying a steak in a store.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Monocrop agriculture, which is a horrific loss of life. Like if you're buying corn or grain, most likely you're getting it from monocrop agriculture. And they kill thousands of animals to do that. They poison the ground. They poison bugs. If you consider insects life forms, they kill millions. They kill groundhogs, gophers, anything that gets in the way.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And then the monocrop agriculture kills the environment because it destroys the topsoil. The topsoil is destroyed. And like most farms in this country, we have to pour shit on the ground in order for it to be able to sustain life.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, let's assume that God didn't conceive of factory farming and this is like a loophole created by human beings because I think it is. I think it's just like money in politics. Like the founding fathers didn't see that coming. They didn't see social media coming. They didn't see a lot of things that are interfering with this concept of self-government.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think God probably like they're never gonna do that They never stick all the chickens in a fucking warehouse and stack them up to yep We will if you let us get away with it, and then we develop laws with you can't film those things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, I There's a problem of animal intelligence right animals are sentient. They're they're they they have instincts. They they love their young and There's also a problem with plant intelligence and plant intelligence. I think the emergent science of plant intelligence is fascinating.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I don't want to say they're the same thing as people, just like I don't want to say a golden retriever is the same thing as a person in a boat.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No. Like fewer? Yeah. Like less than 10? I'm not going to kill 20 dogs for some dude. I don't know. You and me first. I don't know, man. I love my dog so much. Yeah, I shouldn't pick a golden retriever.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's like, I can't. Even if I get upset at him, I feel bad. You can't just say a random person. Like I said, if it was Hitler, I'd kill Hitler. For sure. I'd kill Hitler over a snake.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No, I probably wouldn't. I'd probably bring him back so people could study him. If I was sure that I could capture him alive and get him in front of the press. What the fuck happened? How the fuck did you do this? Goddamn Norman, you should give me money for this. Norman Ohler, we've been talking about his book over and over again over the past couple weeks. Yes, since he's been here.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But Hitler was cranked up on all kinds of shit. And so were the Nazis. They were all on methamphetamines. Hitler was on oxycodone apparently.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
What we're talking about with the animal intelligence and plant intelligence and human intelligence, for sure the way we're doing it now is wrong. I think we would all agree to that. If you could wave a magic wand and let all the animals be free and no one eats them anymore, you're going to have chaos. You're going to have real chaos.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
First of all, you're going to have massive overpopulation, and you're going to have predators everywhere. Because unless you do have predators everywhere, you're going to have car accidents that you would never imagine, train accidents. There's a guy named... Why am I blanking on his name? American Coyote, Dan Flores. Dan Flores, I forget where he's a professor at.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
He studies the history of animals. And Dan Flores, he wrote a paper called, I think it's called Buffalo Ecology something. What was it? Buffalo Diplomacy, Buffalo Ecology. He thinks, that's it, genius guy.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
He thinks the reason why when they came across the Great Plains and there was millions and millions of buffalo, he thinks the reason why is because 90% of the Native Americans were killed by the plague. This is his thought. Because the earliest settlers in the 1400s, the 1500s, they didn't see that many buffalo. It wasn't like, they didn't even report them.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There were many accounts where they didn't even report them. Why? Because the Native Americans lived off them and they kept their population in check. The buffalo have a very long gestation period, right? They're an enormous animal. And if you can kill one, it takes a long time to replace that one.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So they would travel around, track the buffalo, kill them, live off them, use their skins, eat their meat, and then nomadically travel with them. And they kept their population in check.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
When 90% of Native Americans were dead, Dan Flores believes that led to this insane overpopulation problem of buffalo where you see millions of them in fields because that doesn't exist anywhere in nature unless there's a problem. And that problem is a lack of predators and the predators at that time being the Native American hunter.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, it's not just that you would have to control their population somehow. You'd have to give them birth control.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, but to what length? How many do you let breed? You have to have population control, right?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Wildlife biologists. Let me explain something about hunting areas, right? So if you're going to go to this place in Montana where we went and hunted mule deer, wildlife biologists do surveys on the areas, and they know roughly the exact amount of deer that are in this area. Right, okay. And they know the less accurate... number of predators, particularly stealthy predators like mountain lions.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Pretty good with wolves, but even then in high density areas, very difficult to really figure it out. But they get the numbers of the deer and then based on some very exact science, they calculate the amount of hunters who will be allotted tags. So like say if you apply for a limited draw entry place. So limited draw entry is like say maybe you have
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#2193 - Jack Symes
an allocated piece of land that's X amount of thousands of acres, and in that, there are X amount of thousands of deer, and you will allow 100 hunters into that area. And out of those 100 hunters, there'll be maybe a 10 to 15% success rate. So you are thinking that these hunters will trim
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
10 deer, 20 deer, whatever it is for this particular, and there's a bunch of different areas like this all over the country, but they're all tightly managed.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And the wildlife biologists that do that in the United States, it's a beautiful and incredible thing because it doesn't exist anywhere else in the world where you have public land where people, the United States and all the people living in the United States own this land. This is our land. and you can go out on that land. And in some places, you don't even have to have a tag.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You get what's called an over-the-counter tag. Because these are areas where they're difficult to get to. There's plentiful deer. They don't have to worry about you depopulating. And so you get a tag, and you go out. You go five, six, 10 miles in. You camp out. You live under the stars, and you get your food. And you can do that in this country.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And you can do that because these wildlife biologists have a very keen understanding of the amount of animals that are sustainable in the area and the amount of hunters they can allow to hunt in these areas. That's how it's done. If you don't do that, and if you just have animals run free...
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You get the buffalo when there's millions of them on the fields, and you're going to have to kill some of them because they're going to get diseased because they don't have any food. They're going to starve to death. Or you're going to bring in mountain lions, and mountain lions can't kill buffalo, so you're going to have to bring in wolves. You're going to have to bring in big cats.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You're going to have to bring in all kinds of things that eat things to keep them in line. Then you've got fucking wild nature taking place everywhere in the world that there's not a city. And even in cities, you're going to have it. You have coyotes in New York City right now.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So if the goal is just completely to eliminate suffering, why don't we kill all the predators? Yeah. Because they're going to make all these animals suffer. And if you get killed by wolves, oh, that's a rough one. That's a rough one. The worst is killed by bears because they just eat you. They just hold you down and start pulling you apart like a salmon.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So if we want to really eliminate suffering, perhaps we should eliminate all of the predators or just put them in zoos where they'll suffer. But they're evil. And then because they just kill and eat. That's all they do.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, you know, when you hunt animals, you hunt mature animals.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You can tell by the way they look. They get bigger. Their head looks different.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I've killed them that are 11 years old. That's really old. Really old. His teeth were all worn down to almost nothing. He probably had another year or two left if he was lucky. And again, their death is horrific. The death that they have from wild predators is terrifying. There's not too many... I hunt in Utah every year, and we see cats there.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I saw the biggest cat I've ever seen in my life there. It's a huge mountain lion. But I've seen other predators. You see a lot of coyotes, and they do spot wolves there, too. There's bears there. We see bears. But... That death is so much worse than a hunter's death. Yeah, most probably, yeah. 100%, and it's going to happen.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They're not living forever, and what I'm doing is I'm dipping my toe into the wild world and through considerable effort bringing back meat.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Isn't that this is the process. The reason why the elk is so fast and strong is because it's been avoiding mountain lines for hundreds of thousands of years.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But maybe this is the best possible state of affairs to achieve a desired goal.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I think even the evils of this world exist to incite outrage and for us to do better. I think this constant struggle of good and evil is maybe even necessary for us to keep moving in the right general direction. through rigorous debate and deceit and lies and propaganda and having your dreams shattered and figuring it out. Yeah, but that's us, right? But that's us and animals.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
That's the reason why the fucking elk is 900 pounds and built like a super athlete. It's because it has to get the fuck away from mountain lions. If it didn't, it would never look like that. It would never become an elk. It would not become this majestic thing with horns growing out of its fucking head. It's got literal weapons growing out of its head.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And they're competing with each other with these weapons and killing each other. We find dead elk all the time. They find them every year. They're stabbed in the rib cage by other elk. And they die a horrible death. And they get torn apart by coyotes and bears when they're down. You find their bones scattered all over the place where they've been killed and ripped apart.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Unless God is truly all-knowing and us with our primate minds are trying to make sense out of this thing that ultimately will make sense when we reach the end of our journey. And that this whole process... as complicated and vicious and evil as it seems to be with predator and prey and natural selection.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And what you're just talking about, like with birds and different animals, well, they don't have to, they figured out a niche. They could fly. They move around. They basically got it nailed, right? To keep their populations high, not that difficult unless people come along with shotguns. That's when it really becomes a problem, like the passenger pigeon disappeared. Why?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Because we ate them all and we shot them all. But when you look at animals in the wild, when they have a very successful model, they don't change. That's crocodiles. They have a very successful model. The model is this thing doesn't need to eat for a year. It can go underwater for hours. It can stay perfectly still in four inches of water.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
knows exactly where the animals are and explodes and eats them and kills them. And it's been in that same form for millions and millions of years. Because it's a successful form. Same as sharks. Successful form. Doesn't need to evolve. Human beings live in the most comprehensive and bizarre environment. First of all, we figured out how to shelter. And once we did that, we became weak.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We figured out agriculture. We became weaker. We developed cities. We completely separated ourselves from the natural world. So we think of ourselves as different than all these other processes that are happening because we've elevated in our own eyes. beyond this, beyond the natural realm, into this world of morals and ethics and philosophy and our view of our perspective of the world.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I think it's ridiculous to dismiss philosophy because you are a proponent of science. Just that reductionist perspective. The idea that thinking about things and developing, for lack of a better term, a philosophy, developing your own personal philosophy, taking from the accounts of others and their perspectives and their interesting, unique view of the world that we live in.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But we're still in the natural world. We're still beasts, right?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And when you go hunting, you really get a sense of that. You really understand. You're in the natural world.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I don't think you'd have an insecurity complex if you were the universe.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
The idea that that's not significant or important to me seems pretty silly. It's silly.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, we inherently know that it feels better to be a good person. We know it. We know it feels better to have good friends and good community and be someone that people can rely on and count on. We know there's a general direction that makes us feel good to go in that way. And I think that's the guiding light of whatever this power is that wants us to become a better version of what we are is.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
That's what forces us. Forces that action. I think we get too caught up in religious dogmatism and we get too caught up in these literal interpretations of ancient texts, which are not even in the original language they were written in, which is so bizarre.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Apparently an incredibly difficult language to read and comprehend and to translate When you're going back to like ancient Hebrew, we're trying to translate that into English like how much is lost there? Like yeah, what did these pee and also what where what was the original story? Where the fuck did all this come from? Like what was the the original guy that told these stories?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
What was the experience that he actually had we're guessing because of people I used to say about the Bible, and it was just a joke, I don't really mean this if you're a Bible fanatic, that people are full of shit and that story sucks. That's all you have to do is look at it. People are full of shit, 100%. We know it's a fact. I thought it was the greatest story ever told.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, it's like, listen, the President of the United States was just on TV the other day lying. People are full of shit. They lie all the time. We know they lie.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, but the human beings that took place in the experiments that led to the splitting of the atom all had to have some sort of a philosophy that they managed their life by. Yeah. They had to have something that allowed them to have the discipline to commit to their schooling, to follow through with the project. Especially think about Oppenheimer's struggle that he had with this.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You got to go old, son. New Testament's been monkeyed with. Even the New Testament. It's all fascinating to me. I am not an anti-religious person. I think I was when I was younger. I went to Catholic school when I was a little boy, and I decided that religion was bullshit because they were mean. But that was just me being six.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But then as I was raised by hippies, but as I've gotten older, I kind of have a belief that the arrogance of atheism is just as bad as the arrogance of the religious zealot. And that this whole thing is a massive mystery. And to pretend that it's not is to... We're going to hamstring all of these conversations. We're going to put shackles on all of our debate in all of our...
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conversations where we're trying to figure out what's real and what's not real and what's the shared experience that we all have. Like, I don't know how you view the world. And the only way for me to find out how you view the world is for me to ask you and not berate you for your opinions, but try to, like, get it out of you. Like, but what about this? Challenge you with other perspectives.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
How does he feel about that? Like, sometimes you can get very quickly to how deep a person's perspective on an issue is with just a couple of questions. Because you see what they espouse, what they say, and a lot of times that aligns with very particular ideologies, whether it's right wing or left wing.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And then a couple of questions deep, you start asking about opposing viewpoints and why do people think this way? And do you think that perhaps it's this? And then you can get to how much they have actually thought about it.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And the moment people become dogmatic, the moment people become ideologically captured by a very specific group of things that you've adopted as your opinions, because it aligns with science. We saw that during the pandemic, this trust the science idea. Which science? Like, what is science? Science is not a consensus. It's a bunch of different people looking at data and trying to come to.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And when you know that that's hamstrung and you know that that's captured, that's not science anymore. You know, there's propaganda involved. You know, there's lies. This is not science. This is a business and it utilizes science and you're caught up in an ideological debate about a thing that you should be completely objective about.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But you're not because it's just like all the other things that human beings do. We like to decide that we are correct and that we defend from that position. Instead of just looking at... These ideas, like I think one of the things that happened with atheism is that it did become like a philosophy. Remember when they had Atheism Plus? Do you remember that? Do you remember that?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Oh, it was wonderful. So they had atheism and then they had these like social justice warriors that came out with Atheism Plus. And it was atheism attached to a whole bunch of ideas about like – ways to behave, things that they value.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Exactly. They were basically forming a new religion. It was adorable. It was adorable to see that these patterns of thinking just seemed to be inherent to human beings. Like the tribal cultural rituals, tribal cultural philosophies, their myth of the origins of things that they all accept as their own. It's like an identifying factor that cohesively...
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#2193 - Jack Symes
connects groups which is why like you said that you didn't enjoy uh church because you don't like going to that i actually like it i've been to church you just told me that the bible is one of the most boring stories it's not boring i didn't say it was boring oh is it one of the worst stories no no no i said people are full of shit and that story sucks oh the story so that's the story like the story of i used to do a joke about uh noah and the ark that if you told that
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Thing that he had created that was ultimately gonna lead to destruction of hundreds of thousands alive It's if not the entire human race itself, right which was very deeply based Yeah in philosophy like his perspective and his struggles with it I mean if he was just like an automaton like some, you know sociopathic just super Alzheimer's guy or you know that didn't not out autism guy rather that didn't think at all about
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I can't even do the same joke anymore. Why can't you do the same joke? Because I used to say retarded. If you told it to, I think I said, a five-year-old kid, obviously with mental problems, he's going to find holes in that story. He's going to go, wait a minute, there's two of each animals. Animals eat other animals. And the punchline was, I'm not that retarded.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But this idea that we have about... these stories, I think is that they happen exactly as written. And I think it's way more likely that all these stories are about real events that took place a long time ago and were told in an oral tradition. It's just what really happened is very difficult to say.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And when you have the hand of man, when you have human beings, especially in the New Testament, you literally have people deciding what is going to be and not going to be in it. So there's human beings deciding what is going to be in the Bible, which is insane. That's insane as it is. It doesn't mean that the things that are in there aren't.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
representatives of the most recent version of telling a tale that probably did happen.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, I think we see that with people, right? People that don't have a meaningful life and just seek pleasure all the time are miserable because they're missing that part of the equation, meaning.
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no concept at all about empathy, no concept at all about our perspective. He would just plow forth ahead and just launch bombs. Science depends on human beings that have a unique way of thinking, and how does that not come out of philosophy?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, we have some real bad examples of it in this country, too. We have some real distortions, you know, like the factory farming version of Christianity. What kind of stuff? Televangelists. These people that fill out arenas and they fly around in private jets and drive around in Rolls Royces and brag about their stuff.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
One of the guys, was that guy's name Richard Copeland? Is that his name? The guy that was confronted by... He was confronted by this woman that was asking him because she had heard that he said that he didn't want to fly commercial because then he would be flying with demons. And so she says to him, like, do you think that the passengers and commercial airlines are... Listen to this.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Kenneth Copeland. Here, Kenneth Copeland. Here, put your headphones on.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So that's part of the problem that we have with religion in this country.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah, he skipped everything. He went right to private jet. Dollar pair gave me such a great deal. He's such a great guy.
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The eyes on that guy. Good Lord. If you wanted to show me an AI-generated vision of a guy who looks like he's possessed.
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Look at those fucking eyes. Jesus, that would scare the shit out of me.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, I think it becomes almost as dogmatic as religion itself. Atheism, in a lot of ways, is kind of related. They're committed to this idea that there is nothing else. I just don't understand how you could do that without enough... If you're a person who you view the world based in... He is so fucking loud, dude.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If you're a human being, all you truly know is human experiences. You know your experiences in the world. And you know there's part of the world, there's parts of the world that at any given time are cruel and terrible. But there's also parts of the world that are wonderful. There's things that you do find meaning in. Like I assume you find meaning in this conversation.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You find meaning in a great dinner date, a fun time with friends, a vacation, things that you like to do for a living, philosophical pursuits, I'm sure, in your life. all kinds of different things people find meaning in. And they enjoy and love and they have happy moments. And you go for a hike in the mountains and it's beautiful and you feel spiritually enriched by touching nature.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There's meaning out there. It's just not like the lottery. You don't just get all of it all at once and that's all you get and you live in a utopian world. No, one of the things that makes meaning
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#2193 - Jack Symes
so wonderful when you do find it in this world is that so much of life feels like there's no meaning feels like you don't connect to it so when you do connect to something whether it's groups of people your family your loved ones your friends your whatever you do for a living that's unusually rewarding
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You are one of the lucky people that's on the right frequency, and that frequency is what we should all gravitate towards and try to attain. I think the problem with a lot of things that are written is that they're written from an individual's perspective, and that person might have been depressed. That person might not have had a good connection to their community or to friends or to loved ones.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They might not have had a great personality. They might not have been a fun person to be around, so they didn't really attract a lot of people that wanted to have good times with them.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We do find tremendous meaning in this life. We do. It's just not everywhere. And you've got to look for it. You've got to work for it. And once you get it, you've got to maintain it.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You mean the world or as human beings interface with the world? Yeah, as human beings as well.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But you are the only thing that you're aware of that interfaces with this universe that you're consciously connected to. You are you, the you that's talking out of your mouth right now is the only you that interfaces with your world. If you find meaning in that world, the world has meaning.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I would hope there's other things other than counting blades of grass.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Oh, like as a whole? Yeah. I think it's moving in a direction and I think it's moving in a very specific direction with the apex predator, which is human beings. And I think if you looked at, if you were an alien and you visited Earth, I've said this before, so I apologize to people who've heard it, and you looked at us, you would say, well, what does this thing do? Well, it makes better things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Marshall and Carl were having a wrestling match for about 15 minutes, and poor little Carl was over there panting.
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It's all it does is make better things. It's all they do. And everything that's hardwired into people
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#2193 - Jack Symes
uh just think about the stupid things that are hardwired into people like materialism like you can't keep these things why why are you piling up things and you're 80 years old why are you buying it why is kenneth copeland buying a jet right what is it well materialism forces innovation because you always want the latest and the greatest things it's a one of the many motivations status is attached to these things as well that's another motivation that pushes innovation
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If I looked at us from another perspective, I was another life form, I'd say it makes technology. And it makes better technology every year with a fever pitch. I mean, every year there's a new phone. Every year there's better computers. Every year there's better chips. Samsung just came out with a new battery that is going to be on EVs that has a 600-mile range and charges in nine minutes.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
No, but it was just a new article that just came out that they were talking about in terms of game changers, in terms of technological innovation. That's what we do. We do it constantly. I think that means we make artificial life. And that's what I think we're here for.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I was where I was before I was distracted. So I just think that these people sort of looked at this as religion is all this superstitious nonsense that these people have concocted and put together over years to keep people in line. And science is something that we can prove and see. And there is no God. But just – How do you know? You do not know. It's a crazy thing to say.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It seems like meaning is a very human-centric concept. Meaning to us means that something makes sense, that it's noble and ethical and moral and it's the right way. It's the most intelligent way to advance and exist. And that's what we're attaching the concept of meaning to. But I would push back on the whole thing if aliens came and found primitive man just eating berries. Yeah.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
it depends on how primitive right like even if you discover chimpanzees in the congo and you go and study them like that uh chip nation documentary on netflix they they have a very interesting social structure they they have alpha males and they have bonds between the other males and they have neighboring tribes they fight over resources yeah like you'd be fascinated
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And if you went further ahead a few million years and saw that they've developed tools and now they've figured out how to skin animals and throw spears, you'd be like, oh, I see where this is going. Like their meaning is to continue getting better at this. Then they develop metallurgy. Then they figure out combustion engines, how to harness electricity, and like, whoa, okay, now we're cooking.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
These things have a meaning. It's just all the chaos to us. Because we're personally attached to other human beings. And we see all the terrible things that are happening all over the world. And not just terrible for violence that other human beings commit to, but also just what we're doing to the earth itself, like in terms of natural resources. What we're doing to the ocean is fucking insane.
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And you would say, well, this thing is making a better version of itself. It's going to make an artificial life. And it's probably going to happen within our lifetime. And that might be... that might be the progression of life everywhere in the universe and that might be what God really is.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Intelligent life and creativity might be a seed of God and that if it keeps going and this biological life gives birth to digital life that can make better versions of itself instantaneously and then continue to do so, it will eventually have the unimaginable power to harness every single element that exists in the universe.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You have such a limited perspective just in terms of the universe itself. We only see what we see on our planet and the tiny amount that we can reach out into this. And, you know, they can look back 13 billion years, but what are they looking at? They're looking at like bright lights, like little dots, and they understand this is a galaxy. But it's like... How big is this fucking thing?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, let me push back against that because what about Buddhist monks that spend their entire life celibate just meditating in a room? Are they, is their experience less meaningful? Because they're achieving, they're actually communicating with what they believe is God.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I mean, there's the classic versions of stories, right? Like the king's son, the wealthy kid that never had to do anything, just sits around getting grapes fed to him. Like, ugh, what a piece of shit, you know? We know that we would like, as human beings, we would like things to continue to move in a better direction.
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Every presidential campaign in the United States is all about making it a better place.
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Where did it come from? What's going on? You don't know. What is the purpose? Is this a grand test? Are you a part of some very bizarre journey that the soul has to go through in this environment before it expands and goes into the next dimension, next phase of existence? Who fucking knows? You don't know. We do know that people die.
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What would be the benefits of having individual experiences?
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Well, don't you think that it motivates activity? It motivates movement and to have all these different consciousnesses competing with each other and comparing to each other. This motivates people when you meet people. What is inspiration, right? When you meet someone, you're inspired by them. It literally makes you a better person. It can make you better to see a great musician play.
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You leave inspired. You might go home and write something. You might be in the middle of a novel and write something completely different. connected to your experience that you had watching that concert. And that all these different examples of people we admire, like, God, I wish I was more like that guy. Try to be more like that person. You know what I say all the time?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Just actually become that guy. Like, it's possible, right? If you could fake it for a little while, you know, when you're 21 years old trying to pick up a girl.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Drunk. Well, why are you drunk? You're drunk because it loosens your inhibitions. You become more jolly.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, that competition has to exist all throughout nature, right? There's no way that the mountain lion and the deer can share a consciousness because the deer will be like, don't eat me. What the fuck are you doing, man? Why are you eating me? And they have to be an individual for them to compete.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They have to have their own needs and their own desires, and then this is how natural selection works. Because if it doesn't happen, then there are no predators, there are no prey. And then life does not advance.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We do know that people have near-death experiences and these very bizarre... moments where they come back from the dead and have very similar accounts of something happening, about encountering... I had Sebastian Young on the podcast the other day, and he was... Sebastian Younger, and he was explaining how... When he almost died, he had an internal bleeding. And he saw his father.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
The problem with this new idea is that someone's going to be at the head of it. That person's going to be like Kenneth Copeland. It's just a human thing that we do. And to push back on this question of why God would want to have the consciousnesses all separated, or what's the reason for it, everything's separated. I mean, everything... in the world, right?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Everything in this room is constructed of atoms and most of it is empty space, but yet some of it is a table and some of it is a microphone and some of it is you and some of it is me. So if you look fractally at what the observable universe, what we're aware of in terms of like what exists physically, right? We're aware of subatomic particles. We don't understand them We're aware of them.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We know they blink in and out of existence. Spooky action at a distance. It's magic stuff. It's wild things. That's the very nature of the matter of the world in which we find ourselves conscious in. And then as you expand through that, every single thing, even plants and animals and everything is an individual. It's all individuals.
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And that process of all these things being individuals seems to be a part of this expansion and growth and a part of natural selection and a part of evolution and a part of this constant state of improvement. Everything is moving towards a state of deeper and deeper complexity. Everything improves. The elk gets big muscles to run away from the wolves.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And all these things happen in order for these beings to prosper and survive and to keep this healthy balance as this weird ape develops electronics.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
His father came to the bed with him and was talking to him. It was like this very bizarre thing. We don't really know. We really don't know what life is. We don't know what consciousness is. So we're being arrogant. And I think, unfortunately, brilliant people that are so used to schooling people in debates, like Christopher Hitchens, like Sam Harris.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But did they understand evolution back then? No, not by a long shot. No, but not by a long shot. So should we still be listening to them?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
These guys are so good at making religious zealots look like buffoons, right? And you get real good at that, and you just sort of think that, look, I got it down. These fucking religious people, they don't know what the fuck's going on.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But we're really concerned about things that we're not even sure exist that are horrific? Yeah, well, you should be... You know what I'm saying? That's existential angst to the power of a thousand.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But in our own experience on Earth, horrific things and beautiful things are happening simultaneously. And generally speaking, more beautiful things than horrific, but we concentrate on the negatives. To sit around and ponder the multiverse being an infinite number of evil civilizations destroying themselves and torturing themselves... Okay, how is that any different than thinking about demons?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But you're involved in a religion. As bizarre as it seems, just like wokeism is a religion, just like far-right ideology is a religion.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
How is that any different than thinking about the puppet masters of the universe controlling all of our minds? Yeah, yeah. It's just mental masturbation. There's no way you're going to know whether or not there's a multiverse of people suffering.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So to not be happy in this beautiful existence because perhaps there's a multiverse in which infinite suffering is occurring seems to me to be a giant waste of an amazing trip. Like the trip that we're on right now is Earth 2025 Western Civilization. Pretty fucking cool. Pretty cool.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think your job is if you're so fortunate that you're in this position to enjoy this very bizarre place in history where it's the strangest time perhaps ever. that human beings have been alive, and we're going through it. You could sit around all day and think, oh, but in other multiverses, people are just getting eaten by other people.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Sure. there's probably an infinite number of, if the multiverse exists, and if there's not a limited number of universes, but it's an infinite number of universes, there's probably an infinite number of universes that are also fucking amazing. They're probably all competing just like all life is on this planet. And what if the universe is constantly in a state of evolution itself?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Why would we limit that to the physical things that we can currently observe? If we know that there's stellar nurseries, we know how planets get born and stars, we're very aware there's this process going on. Why would we assume this process is completed and perfected? Maybe this process is also moving in a better direction constantly, just like human life is, just like human civilization is.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Maybe that's something that exists everywhere in the universe and that the universe itself is advancing to a more powerful state or a better state.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
That's where we get what you keep referring to as meaning. That's where we get meaning. Yeah.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Drifting off thing doesn't make sense to me because drifting off is just a failure to connect. But you're still conscious. It's not like I'm dead, like everything goes black and I don't know anything. I'm thinking about other things. My stream of consciousness just stopped paying attention to you. If I drift off, I never drift off entirely. If I do, I go to sleep.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, but what is going on? Like, why do we have such vivid dreams? Like, what is going on with consciousness in regards to REM sleep? We don't totally understand that. We don't really know what that is.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, it's not copy and paste, but it's like they take you and they beam you to another planet and you don't exist here anymore, but you exist over there.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I used to have a joke about it where I said that a cult is created by one guy and that guy knows it's bullshit. In a religion, that guy's dead.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You can't give that power to dictators. You know, when I was talking to Kurzweil, talking about downloading consciousness into computers. I'm like, what's to stop someone from doing that a thousand times? What's to stop someone from making an army of Donald Trumps? You can't stop.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
He should just kill himself. He's already here. I wonder if he shot himself in the head, he would just be that other guy.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, it is an interesting question because if consciousness is not local...
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#2193 - Jack Symes
you download someone like what you know if you do move if you do take someone out of this physical existence and put them somewhere but then they don't have a soul there's this bizarre vessel that can no longer communicate and then then we'll realize like oh we fucked up yeah we got to go find out where that guy's consciousness got dropped off along the journey I think it probably does get dropped off it probably needs the same capacity there to begin with you're probably an antenna for consciousness
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Yeah. You're probably a physical thing with a lot of biological requirements that's connected to some sort of consciousness that sees itself as an individual but is completely connected to all the life forms around it.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
First of all, not completely connected to this, but I think it's possible that what consciousness is is almost like a giant motherboard, and we are all connected to that motherboard as individuals, but that we share this one thing together. And I think we really become aware of that when the community comes together, when there's a tragedy, when there's an event. Hmm.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Something happens, we all mind meld together. And I think the individual, the biological entity that is you and that is me, has all of these requirements that it has to meet in order to stay alive and to move forward and to progress in their civilization and culture. And that this is a different thing than the entire consciousness that we share.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But we share it with each other so much so that we can't be alone. I mean, people that are alone for too long go crazy. The worst they can do to you in prison is put you in solitary confinement.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's just a thought that it may be the case. It's not of I'm sure that that's what's going on. And also, this is a sort of a universal sentiment that gets told by people that have profound psychedelic experiences, that we're all sharing some sort of consciousness, some very bizarre connection that we don't totally understand.
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And that the biological vehicle that we have that carries around the soul has these motivations, and you will battle with these motivations in order to do the greater good.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I think most religious experiences have their root in psychedelic experiences.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, certainly Moses and the burning bush. In fact, scholars in Jerusalem, they believe that what that was a metaphor was burning a bush that contained dimethyltryptamine.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
So you think about burning the bush, right? And that's one of the ways that they consume psychedelic drugs is they burn them. And the acacia tree is very rich in dimethyltryptamine, which is a very potent psychedelic drug. And there's there's countless depictions of psilocybin mushrooms. both in ancient Egypt and in cultures all over the world. There's mushroom rituals that occurred.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There's the sacred mushroom in the Bible, John Marco Allegro's book about the Dead Sea Scrolls, where he thought that the entire Christian religion had its origins in fertility rituals and psychedelic mushroom therapy, that they were all having these rituals and consuming these mushrooms. That's the Eleusinian mysteries, that they all got together and
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#2193 - Jack Symes
drank some sort of a potion, the kookion, that was a psychedelic potion, and they devised democracy, and they figured out all sorts of very unusual philosophies from these psychedelic experiences.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Not more reasonable. I think each experience is probably valid. And maybe person B that sees the Easter Bunny, he doesn't have the capacity for whatever reason. Like his psychology is not strong enough to grasp the entire possibility of everything. that all of this is connected and they freak out and they compartmentalize.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And that's one of the things that happens to people that have bad trips, right? Bad trips are essentially you trying to control an experience that's uncontrollable.
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Or maybe you go into that trip with a significant level of anxiety, maybe the loss of a loved one, a devastating moment in your life, loss of job, loss of family, and you have this experience and you just freak the fuck out, which can happen too.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And these people, had they been diagnosed with any mental illnesses?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Participants were active. They still take psychedelic drugs. In response, 334, 54.9% said yes, and 246, 40.5% said no. 28 did not respond to the question. They were asked to rate their agreement with the following statement. I believe that the insights and healing gained from psychedelics when taken in supportive settings are worth the risks involved.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
The frequencies across the four response points to this question, strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree, are shown in figure two. In total, 89.7% agreed or strongly agreed with the statement.
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It does make sense, though, that... Human beings vary so much biologically and we vary so much psychologically. You vary by what your experiences have been on this planet up to the point where you take the drugs, where you're at in your life. I think the real problem is that they've been illegal for so long we haven't been able to study what the correct dosage is.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
are what biological problems you may have, like unique to yourself that makes you either allergic to these things or having an extreme response or a negative response, what medications you may be taking that you don't know interfere with them. We talked about that yesterday with Prozac. MAO inhibitors.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
There's a bunch of things that people take that will profoundly impact the way these drugs, I'm sure they probably screened for those, at least some of them when they did those studies. But I don't think there's anything in this life that's 100% good. I think most medications have side effects, even ones that have been hugely beneficial and saved countless lives.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
They have side effects, and some people are allergic to them, and some people just biologically don't agree with them. I think that's the case with psychedelics as well.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And everybody is coming into it with a fucking different set of baggage.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
about these negative experiences which just aren't reported that aren't in the aren't in our date logs and i'd be interested to know just how many there are and you know how how severe they are when people sort of have these i'm sure there's quite a few that people don't want to talk about and i bet they get a lot of pushback from the psychedelic community if they want to discuss it like all zealots you know they're psychedelic zealots i think um the that's the real problem is the illegal nature of them and the fact that i mean even just recently they denied
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#2193 - Jack Symes
FDA denied MDMA to be used in clinical settings for veterans. They have to do more tests with maps, which is very unfortunate because that particular type of therapy has been very beneficial for people, especially veterans, who've seen the horrors of war and to come back and try to psychologically deal with these things.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
To have some tools that we know are effective be denied to these people that went overseas and served and saw these and experience these horrific things, I just think is unreasonable. And I think that... The real problem with these things being illegal is it's mostly being governed by people that have never taken them. They don't really understand what we're even talking about.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And I think that I'm not saying it's the panacea for all, but I'm saying it's a tool. And I think it's been a tremendous tool to a lot of individuals. They've experienced some extreme changes of perspective. and of their own personal connection to the world through these things that are very, very beneficial.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I know multiple people that have just become completely different human beings after psychedelic experiences and much better, much more caring, abandoned, whatever chip they had on their shoulder. And I think that can't be denied. And I think it's another thing that's here to help us evolve. That's what I think.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, but the thing is it's not on the outside. It's psychologically that's really like how strong is that person's foundation in the world?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
I would like to talk to that guy before all this shit went south and see how loony he was already. I knew a dude who was a little bit loony, and then he delved very heavily into the world of psychedelics, and he became schizophrenic. I suspect that he was already schizophrenic before, that he had it under containment.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But then he went nuts and just thought that everything was a psy-op, and it was very strange. Very strange to talk to him. I thought everyone was a government agent. Very weird, just weird, weird interface. And he had slipped completely into the world of paranoia, almost inexorably. I don't know how you'd pull the guy back to make him a normal person again.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And again, I don't know if he was a normal person before. I didn't know him that well. It's hard to know yourself as well, right? I think they're like every other tool. You could abuse all tools. I think there's a lack of understanding of what, again, the doses, the correct way to consume it, the biological factors, your unique biology, the way it might interfere with this experience.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Imagine being a shaman and you have to deal with these fucking Wahoos taking a propeller plane over to your country. Just to see what job to take next. You have no idea what's wrong with these people. You're dosing them up with ayahuasca in the middle of the jungle. There's jaguars and snakes out there. These people are freaking out. I bet their version of it, I bet, I would love to know.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
If we had real good data on these shaman adventures where people go to the jungle, like, How many of them lose their fucking marbles and are cooked forever after that? I don't know.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
We're terrified of everything going in that direction over here, especially in Texas. Texas is the last frontier. You think so? This is what America, like Texas is what the rest of the world thinks America is. A bunch of freedom loving people with guns. Just wild people playing music, drinking all the time. That's Texas for real. I didn't think it was going to be like this.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
It's got a great vibe. The city has a very hopeful vibe. And that sucks for me when I go back to Los Angeles because that was my home for so long. But whenever I go back, I do not feel that vibe. But is that me? Is that my, you know, are there people that are like thriving and loving LA right now with all the craziness and the chaos? Perhaps.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And maybe if I was a young man, you know, maybe if I was 25 again and I moved to LA again now, I'd be like, this is crazy. I love this fucked up place. This is awesome. Maybe I would. I probably would. knowing me, but the 57-year-old me is like, uh-uh, that place is ruined.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
But it's a violation of privacy of the child and it's also endangers them. So it's against the law. So it's not as simple as free speech. That takes it to a completely different level because you're talking about images of innocent people.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You can't make threats. All those things are illegal. You can't threaten violence.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Right, but I would say that those people were wrong and that if someone did have an opposition to the war, if you want to have a healthy society, you have to let those people express themselves. Especially when you read about the actual history of the war and you go, hey, maybe this could have been fucking prevented.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
And if people weren't so blindly allegiant to this idea of going over there and fighting.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
When would you think free speech would be a good thing to stop? What would be the boundary?
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, the way Elon treats Twitter is whatever is illegal. You can't do things that are illegal. You can't threaten people. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Those are things that are illegal. He legislates against the Twitter policy.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
You can have very controversial and unpopular opinions. Yeah. And you're allowed to do that. And that was what got you banned from Twitter before. But the problem with that is we found out through Twitter that they expanded that and kept expanding that to include some – things that a lot of people disagreed with, like transgender athletes in sports, criticizing them would get you banned.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Well, I think the dogmatism A lot of it is, like, all the public discourse that we've seen that you can watch on YouTube between atheists and religious scholars, it generally turns into a debate. They're almost all debates. And almost all of these debates are, in a sense, intellectual competitions.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Criticizing the lockdowns would get you banned. Saying anything negative about the mRNA vaccines would get you banned. And then we found out the FBI was involved. They were asking Twitter to censor posts. And there was just so much shit involved that made you go, well, this is not good. This is not free speech. And this is
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#2193 - Jack Symes
This is actually dangerous to a society if you let the government dictate what people can and can't say, because they will do it to their best convenience. What's best for them? What makes their life more convenient? What makes their job easier? What makes it easier to control people? Tell people what to do, and punish people that Don't listen.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
Because if you lock them up, then you will automatically incentivize other people to toe the line. And that is what got scary. And that's what's scary about government controlled speech. And I think that's what people are scared about in the UK.
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#2193 - Jack Symes
When you see people saying things they shouldn't be saying, but they're saying them on Facebook and they're getting arrested and they're doing like 20 months in jail.
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
I could be. You say that to me sometimes.
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
Yeah, because he took it on short notice. He had short notice.
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
Stop that. You hit it with a fucking newspaper?
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
I don't know. I never knew a mother nor a father.
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JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sat down and throwing ice on her and water. Yeah.
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#2199 - Chris Harris
Is this it right here? Yeah. When this thing comes past you, it just started screaming, fuck.
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#2199 - Chris Harris
When it was right by me, we never showed. You're going 218 miles an hour?
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#2199 - Chris Harris
I don't think, I've never heard of anyone eating a coconut crab.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I wanted to ask you about that, like the gas in the tank thing, because there's a philosophy that Marv Marinovich and Nick Curzon, some of these guys have.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
So what they wanted BJ to do when BJ was in his prime, essentially the camp was entirely based around strength and conditioning. So it was all conditioning to give you this insane gas tank. Their philosophy is you know how to fight. You've been fighting your whole life. You're not going to get better at fighting in six weeks. But what you can get is insane cardio if you only concentrate on that.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And their thought process is that is the most important thing. That is the thing that fails you the most in fights. That's the thing that keeps you from hitting the gas, keeps you from doing the things you want to do, keeps you from being able to scramble out of positions. Keeps you.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
but if you can instead of all this fight specific training like put that aside and Just give yourself the most fucking insane gas tank humanly possible and then fight and then the Margins the things the times when you're going to need it like your skill level is already elite world championship skill level it's not going to deteriorate because your cardio gets better in six to eight weeks and
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But what you can do is give yourself this insane base of cardio. So in those moments when you need to hit the gas, you can. And that's what they did for BJ when BJ was at his best.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But now it's Venom fight kits. Yeah, the whole fight kit thing is weird. I really preferred it when fighters could have sponsors. Condom depo on the back of your shorts. I don't like that.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Exactly. Unbelievable gas tank and insane confidence.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
What's up? What's up? What's up? Good to see you, my friend. What is the chain? What does that stand for?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Were you feeling fatigued in the last round with Trichus?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yeah, we were talking about that when we went to Terry Black's barbecue today.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
It's the worst thing to eat right before a podcast. So I got the coffee now. I'm like, yeah, let's go. We pigged out. We pigged out.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Probably do. Dude, I did a whole series. When I first moved to Austin, I did the whole series because there's this protocol. I think it was an Israeli study that they did where they showed that it lengthens telomeres. You do like 60 sessions over 90 days and – You know what they measure your biological age by the length of your telomeres. It puts 20 years on you.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
It decreases your age of your telomeres by 20 years.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Well, yeah. I don't want to fuck this up. So what exactly are telomeres? Layman terms. The way you measure someone's biological age is the length of the telomeres. And through things like NMN. Yeah, that thing. Yeah. I got it right. Yeah. There it is.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Telomeres are protein and DNA structures at the ends of the chromosomes that perform several important functions, including protecting DNA, preserving chromosomal integrity. Telomeres help maintain the structure and integrity of DNA during replication.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And as you get older, they get shorter. Smaller, yeah. And they get weaker. I don't even know how I know this. I think it's just a reel I saw somewhere. NAD shot. When people get NAD infusions, that helps that as well.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I get those. Yeah? Yeah. With Briggs? Yeah. You can definitely do it with Brigham. I use another company. I see, I see. But there's a lot of companies that do it.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yes, it's USADA approved. I'll talk about that.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yeah, but the thing that does it just as well, maybe even better, is hyperbaric chambers. And so hyperbaric chambers, you elevate it up to two – it's like – Two atmospheres, so twice our atmosphere, and then you have oxygen. You wear an oxygen mask, and you sit in it for an hour and a half. And, dude, you come out of that, and you're just like, whoa, what the fuck is going on?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I've been doing it a lot lately because I got one at the house. So I've been doing it quite a bit. But it's just a completely different way of recovering. I found out about it for recovery when Uriah Faber fought Jose Aldo.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yes, his leg was fucking brutalized. I remember. I saw Uriah was always ahead of the game, and he was using hyperbaric chambers to help him recover. And so then I started looking into it, and then I found out about this Israeli study, and then I started seeing all the different ways that hyperbaric chambers can... Increase your recovery and you know TJ Dillashaw did a lot of that as well.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I think but it makes a big impact They always do it like when you go down to CPI in Mexico when they do stem cells They give people hyperbaric chamber treatments as well.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
That's a good question. I mean, it probably depends on the individual, but it just makes, anytime I have something wrong with me, I get in there, I just feel just better.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yeah, I bet Auckland has it. It's time consuming. You know, the whole experience is two hours because it has to get up to pressure. Then it has to decompress and you're in there for 90 minutes. So it's like 15 minutes getting up to pressure and then 15 minutes of decompressing at the very end. But that's a great way to recover as well.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I feel like every, especially as you get older, every edge you can get.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But do you think if you force yourself to eat, that would be a good thing? Nah.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Aljo said that when he fought Piotr Jan that he didn't eat. First or second one? First. Okay. And he said he felt like shit. Oh, the day of the fight? Yeah. Oh, wow. He said, you know, I think the time of the fight I pushed back. I forget exactly what the reasoning was or he just forgot to eat or he just wasn't feeling it because of the anxiety fighting for the title, you know, the whole deal.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And he just felt it in the fight. It just was wearing, and especially with a guy like Aljo who cut so much weight. You know, Aljo is so, he was so big for 35. I remember running into him, he was like 176 pounds. I was like, what the fuck? How are you going to make 135?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I was bummed out that that Mosvar-Ivloev fight fell out. It was meant to be this weekend, right? Yes. That's a very interesting... Aljo is strong at 145. Why did that fight fall out? What happened? Aljo got injured. Ah, that's insane. He got injured, and he thought he'd be able to work through it, but couldn't. And there's a point of diminishing returns with these weight-cutting dudes.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Oh, bro. Like when Hamza would make one set. Or even Cyborg. Oh, yeah.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yeah, man, it's like you really are close to death. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say that, and for someone who doesn't understand what fighters are going through, you go, oh, you're being hyperbolic, but not really. Mm-hmm. Not really. You really are close to death. If you keep going for a few more hours, you'll die.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Did you notice a difference when they didn't allow IVs versus when they did allow IVs?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
So you never cut weight enough where you were so depleted that you needed to get those bags in you? Fuck, I would have liked to. They say that's the best way to rehydrate the brain.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And that's the... Affects your chin.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
There's a lot of water in there. Yeah. And the rehydration of the brain apparently is the slowest because the blood-brain barrier. That's the slowest... Your bodies, your muscles rehydrate fairly quickly. But still, it just never makes sense to me that a person is literally on the verge of death 24 hours before a cage fight.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
No, that doesn't make any sense because you've got guys like DC that, you know, even though he was not even barely six feet tall, he was a heavyweight champion, but he's a tank. And he has the wrestling skills. I think that the way to do it really is to have more weight classes. I think when you have the big gaps, like 85 to 205 is 20 pounds. That's crazy. That's such a big-ass gap.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And then 205, if you want to start fighting heavyweight, and then you're dealing with guys like Francis, who's a natural 265, that's such a gap.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Oh, big time. Yeah. That's big. Sponsors on your shorts is a lot of money. Like, Shaw was making more money from the sponsors than he was from his fight purse.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
They could do that, but I think that's maybe a little too much. I think 10 pounds.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 205, and then maybe 225, and then heavyweight. Super heavyweight. Yeah, you have more chance. The whole thing of 265 being a limit for heavyweight to me is crazy, too.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
They should have it everywhere. There's too many gaps. They're too wide. There's too many tweeners. Too many guys that are too small to fight at 170, but they really can't make 55 healthy.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Common sense rule and especially anybody who understands the power of elbows like this is not the most powerful elbow No, it's just not and so to deny that and to say that somehow or another that can't be blocked. Well, that's crazy Yeah, you could do that just as easy as you can do that. You can block that elbow facts. I Yeah, none of it makes any sense.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
There's a bunch of things that are unrealistic, in my opinion. One of them is not being able to up kick from a downward position when a guy's on top of you. So if a guy's on top of you and you're on your back and the guy has a knee down, you can't up kick.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
That's silly. That doesn't make any sense. I think you should be able to up kick when you are flat on your back and he's on his knees. Because that's a real technique.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
They disqualified him. Yeah. That technique, like if you are in a guy's guard and that guy can elbow you in the face, punch you in the face, why can't he kick you in the face? He should be able to lean back and up kick you and it would make the guard way more effective. Dangerous. It's also more real. Here it is. This one, yeah. Boom. Oh, shit. That was a good knockout.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
That's a beautiful knockout. That should be 100% legal.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Boom. Oh, like an axe kick. Yeah. Like an axe kick from the outside. Yeah, you know what? You're right. That's 100% a good technique. It should be legal, and you should be avoiding that if you're on top. Top is an advantageous position. Anything the guy that can do on bottom that is real for a real fight should be allowed. It's not like you're cemented in this position.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
The idea of not allowing soccer kicks to a downed opponent, what I think about that is the cage. I think if you're pressed up against a cage and someone can stomp you or soccer kick you, there's no way to move.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
How much was Condom Depot paying people? I don't even know.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But if you're in an open space and there's a place to move, all those things should be legal because all those things are real techniques. Facts. But especially if a guy's on top of you. If a guy's on top of you, on his knees, in your guard, and you can get a leg back and stomp him in the face, that's good. That's a real technique that should be 100% legal.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I think it's if they're pinned against the cage.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Did you ever see the one where Roger Huerta fought in one and got one of the worst soccer kick KOs ever?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
He fought some big Brazilian cat, and this dude soccer kicked him, and it was like, oh, my God.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
He had him rocked already, and then he's down like this, and this dude just leans back.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Okay, but if that's true, how about Irani Aldana? When she fought at the Sphere, her whole face is cut open.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I just feel like, you know, if they didn't like some because it didn't represent the sport, like Condom Depot, then just fucking have a list of ones that you agree to.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
So tough. So here's the Roger Huerta one. So Roger's hurt. And Roger shouldn't have been fighting at 170 anyway. And watch this. Oh, no. Boom. Oh, yeah. I mean, that one. I have seen this. Bro, that one can fucking kill you. That one can kill you. I mean, that dude had everything in that kick.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And then line it up. Just really line it up. Full fucking goal. Ooh, that's a rough one. That is bad. That's a rough one. But that's a real technique. Legal. You can do it in real life. Yes, that's the point. It's the sport of fighting. And if it's a sport of fighting and you can't up-kick a guy when you're in your guard because his knee's on the ground, that's ridiculous.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I think Herb was alluding to they want more action.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I don't know if he's getting pressure from someone to have more action, but one of the things that Herb said was if someone wants it, I think he was alluding to some specific officials and executives, whoever. He's like, if they wanted to look different, I wish they would tell me. Oh, wait, Herb's saying this to you? No, no, no, not to me.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
He said it in an interview when he was being criticized for trying to get people to work and trying to stand people up. So let me get this straight. He's saying maybe some officials or someone would be alluding. He's alluding to the fact that they want it to look a specific way.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
See if you can find his statement on it because it was interesting the way he phrased it. The way he phrased it. Like cryptic. Yes.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And I think they are because he's always like, let's work, let's work. Sometimes when it doesn't even make any sense, like they're working.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But it's what we were talking about at lunch today, too, is that there's certain fighters they want to win because those fighters are more exciting. And I'm a purist. I feel like there should be no stand-ups. Unless there's a violation, unless someone does something illegal, there should be no stand-ups.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I think if a guy can take you down like Merab does and just beat you up and you can't do shit, and even if the audience is booing, that's the fight. Sean wants to get up. He's got to get up. I don't think it should be you can just hold him on and you're full guard and the referee just stands you up. Because that's such an advantage for the striker to be standing up again.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
And you already have the advantage of every round starts standing up.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Let's see what the statement is. Did you find it?
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Luke Thomas, the journalist. Okay. MMA journalist.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
There was an article where they had interviewed him.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
Yes, it was a statement from Herb himself, and he was saying, if someone wants the fights to look different, I wish they would tell me.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
But I do like it when boxers wear cool shorts. You know, they wear whatever the fuck they want. I love it when Melvin Manhoef would wear those gladiator skirts.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
That means they're telling you, I want more action. Okay, here it goes. I've seen on social media, people have spoken about me calling the fighters for more action. That's what I've always done. I can tell you what I tell fighters during the rules briefing. I tell them anytime I'm going to interfere or any intervention, I'm going to talk to you first, like if I'm going to stand you up.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
What I'm going to say first is I'm going to say let's work. I usually clap at what I'm expecting from him is not busy. And what I'm expecting from him is not busy work. I specify I'm looking for effort to finish the fight.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
So either you posture to where you can set up fight ending attacks or advance your position, effort to advance, because it's not as easy as just passing the guard, but effort to pass, effort to advance your position, effort to bring the fight to finish. That rule was put in place, standing fighters up, to make our sport work. Look the way we want it to look. But he said something else.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
It's not that, but you are influencing the course of a fight where a guy has control.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
The way he said that, someone, that's... I think he was saying if someone wants me to... If they want the fight to look different, I wish they would tell me. But that's what I'm saying.
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JRE MMA Show #164 with Israel Adesanya
I don't think the referee's job is to instruct a fighter to do anything other than follow the rules. And if you can hold a guy down, I'm the worst with this because I think you should start in the same position you ended the last round because I think it's one fight. I think it's one fight. It's not five fights. So an advantage for the striker is always standing up.
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So if a guy gets you down and has your back and the round ends, I think he should have the exact same position in the exact same place on the octagon floor when the next round starts because he earned that position, and you didn't earn the stand-up. So if you're standing up, standing up for a guy like you is a giant advantage.
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Yeah, of course. Well, also, the audience would be like, shut the fuck up, bro. You know, you fucking pussy.
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Yeah, that's just one of the things about the UFC. They want everything to be uniform and organized.
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Well, it's also built-in drama over the evening where people watch a guy fight once, and now he's going to fight a second time. And that was always wild about the early days of the UFC, watching those tournaments.
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Glory did it. Remember Last Man Standing? That was crazy. They fought three times that night.
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One more round. And you see the look on the guy's face like, oh, fuck.
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Is that one of the most difficult things to change your mindset in mid-fight, like if something throws you off? Mid-fight, ooh. Do you remember, what I'm bringing up specifically, do you remember Tim Kennedy and Yoel Romero? Oh, get up, get up. Yes. Yeah, stool gate, stool gate. Tim Kennedy had Yoel Romero fucked up, fucked up. And then they put Yoel on the stool. They threw ice on the floor.
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And he kept sitting on the stool. And Big John's telling him to stand up, and he's still sitting down. And Tim Kennedy's walking around going, what the fuck? This fight should be stopped. The fight's over. Yeah. The fight should have been stopped. But then Yoel got up, and then he stopped him afterwards. But he had a good, solid 35 seconds extra recovery time, which when you're hurt is huge.
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I don't feel like anybody should be wearing shorts in grappling. I feel like the temptation for... Yeah, tights. Temptation for grabbing is just too much. Yeah. And it does happen.
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Tim said it fucked with his head. And it was his mental weakness that he didn't, he thought he was angry. They're robbing me. This is bullshit. I had him. I should have won. The fight should have been, the round started. The minute was up. It should have been, I could have got on him and I could have finished him. And so in his head, he lost focus.
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Exactly, and they did. And so then he's got to fight again while he's going, motherfucker, this shit already been over. So instead of concentrating completely on being in the present in the fight... You're thinking I got fucked.
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Which could have been over if Anderson just followed up with one or two more shots. That would have been it. It's like we were talking about Jalen Turner and Renato Marcano. He drops him, has him fucked up, and then walks away like it's a KO.
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He could have just done something and taken him out. Nato's fucked up, too. He was hurt bad.
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And Jalen can crack. It's tough. Oh, he's so big for 55 and so long.
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That's the one where Dan broke his arm, right?
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I love watching him come back into the top five now. I love it. I love that he did that.
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I'm like, fucking... Bare knuckle boxing or MMA?
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Masvidal's got that whole MMA league where it's all bare knuckle MMA, which I like. Because it doesn't make sense to me that you don't cover your shins or your knees or your elbows, but you do cover your knuckles.
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Bro, listen, man. The best gloves for sure are Trevor Whitman's. Yeah. The best gloves. He made the best gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all time.
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They curve. So it's curved. So your hand is in this position. So if you want to do this, you have to open them up. But still, you could do that for grappling. It's all the same. But they're in a curved position, and I think that would avoid so many eye pokes.
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So many. You haven't really been eye poked too many times.
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nah only time was in training really bad one was in training but nah not not in a fight nah avoid that as much as i can i have another thought on that tell me what you think of this i feel like they should cover the fingers i feel like why with like a mitt oh it goes over the top with like a round surface like a little something like those little bad glove mitts like that's trevor whitman's okay that's the onyx gloves those those are the best gloves trevor whitman's a fucking genius man he makes incredible gear
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Yeah, they were in negotiation, but I think Trevor went crazy and wanted some ungodly amount of money. He wanted something, according to Dana. At least that's his version. I haven't talked to Trina. But regardless of all that, he makes the best gloves. They're the best MMA gloves of all time, bar none.
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It's also the best foam. He uses the most high-tech foams, the most expensive foam. And he makes them all by hand. Trevor stitches them together.
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I don't know why the fingers have to be exposed. Because you never do this. There's no reason to have the fingers ever in this position. Every time you grip, you're gripping like this.
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Why can't you just have a thin piece of leather that goes over the fingers and then something that's curved around the top?
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Yes. So even if you do get poked in the eye, you're getting poked by a large thing instead of a finger. It goes all the way into your eye. And fingernails.
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So the nails would be covered. Even if you trim your fucking nails, that's still a hard surface that could scratch the shit out of your cornea.
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Yeah, it is what it is. I mean, there's a lot of room for expression. It's interesting to watch, like, all the different styles that people promote themselves as well. You know, like, there's so many different ways now. And then there's guys like Alex who, you know, he doesn't even speak English, and he's risen to the top just based on performance.
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Well, Mike Wendell, John, you know, he lost an eye.
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Exactly. Yeah, he did. From holding pads from somebody. So he was holding pads, and someone missed and caught his eye with their toenail.
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I think everybody should wear goggles if you're holding mitts. Just the possibility. Just that we know that it happened to one of the top trainers in the sport.
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I feel like it wouldn't affect the grappling at all. And it definitely would help eye pokes, which are the biggest problem. Eye pokes are a giant problem, man. So many guys have gotten eye surgery now. I mean, Bilal's had three eye surgeries. And remember when he got poked real bad against Leon?
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I feel like it should be done because I don't think it's bad. I don't see any negative to covering the fingers, and I see only positives. And I don't think it would do – it's just real simple. Piece of leather here. I get you. I get what you're saying. Measure the fighter's hands. Some guys have very long fingers. Some guys have short fingers. Measure the fighter's hands. Build a custom glove.
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I don't think so. I don't know if anybody that's made that, but that should be the way they do it because that would eliminate an enormous number of eye pokes.
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Well, the UFC doesn't listen to me because I have all kinds of crazy ideas. I'm like, get rid of weight cutting, add more weight classes, change the gloves. No stand-ups.
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Because also like I'm not interested in making the fight more exciting. I'm making, I want, I'm interested in what's the best, what actually works. I'm a purist. I want to see what was the actual effective technique. Like there's sometimes like when you see in jujitsu tournaments where guys are doing something like they're in a 50, 50 position.
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I'm like, this guy could punch you in the face, kick you in the face. So easy. This is not a good self-defense position.
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And you see it in MMA where guys are accustomed to doing that and they're, They're literally face down, holding onto an ankle, and the dude just boom, boom.
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Yeah. The thing about leg locks is you have so little time to react. Yeah. If you don't tap, there's such a brief, especially like an inside heel hook, there's such a brief amount of time you have before your shit is just blown to smithereens.
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Rips apart, and then you're fucked for nine months.
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Especially like locks. Do you have a hard time like that? With people trying to get a name for themselves training with you?
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they'll just lower belts they'll be like i'm like i'm good thank you you know what i don't like when i see a dude sitting out around and waiting while you're exhausted and then they go do you want to go like bitch i watched you i'll call him out i watched you just sit down yeah for 10 fucking minutes oh you'd get that as well why didn't you just jump in yeah why weren't you just rolling right now you want to roll fresh yeah is that what this is yeah and you like call him out on you see the look
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Well, it's interesting because you're a specialist. You're one of those guys that you didn't come in with a full MMA experience. You didn't start as an amateur MMA fighter. You were a kickboxer. I remember when you and I first started talking online. I reached out to you on Instagram. And you were like, I'm going to wait a little while. I'm going to just do this right.
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Which I thought was very intelligent. Because you could have just jumped in like many guys do. And then UFC throws you in with a wrestler. You get exposed. And now you're so far behind the curve. It takes a long time to build up your confidence and your momentum again because you got smothered in your first fight.
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If kickboxing was as big as MMA, do you think you would have ever done MMA? Yeah.
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I like how one FC has everything. They have grappling matches, they have kickboxing matches, they have Muay Thai matches, and they have MMA matches. I think that is the way to go. And I really wish the UFC, I know they're invested in this slap fighting shit, but instead of that, have a kickboxing league. I think they don't think that people would get into kickboxing. I think they're wrong.
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Because everybody loves KOs. Everybody loves stand-up fights.
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Yeah. There's a lot of KOs there. But you're going to get real KOs because no one can grapple. You can't grapple. So you're going to get people that are forced to stand up, and you could then attract the greatest strikers in the world like 1FC is doing. They're getting all these Thai killers, these Rob tanks, all these elite Thai fighters, and they're all coming over.
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And they're fighting in the cage now. And I feel like there's an opportunity for that for a kickboxing league in America that would be hugely successful if, like, the UFC machine got behind it.
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Yeah, he did. In the cage. Yeah. Little gloves.
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It's kind of crazy about the Dutch, right? Like, what is it about them that makes their style so savage? Because if you go back and you, like, watch, like, Ramon Deckers or Rob Kamen or Ernesto Hoost.
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I've heard it's insane over there. Khalil was talking about it. Khalil was telling me when he went up the train over there years back, and he's like, I can't fucking do this.
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The Jan thing is a crazy situation, right? Because Jan goes to a split decision with Pereira. It's a great fight. It's a tough fight. He has that crazy fight with Ankalayev. It goes to a draw. And then no one's talking about him. Everyone's talking about contenders in the light heavyweight division. Like, what about Jan Bohovic? Yeah. Get him in now before he's too fucking old.
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I think he won the title that old. Wasn't he like 39 or 40 when he won the title?
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I just feel like he's being disrespected. He's just not getting the attention. If you look at his performances, the guy's not had a bad performance. There's not one fight that was boring. There's not one fight where he wasn't...
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trying to win he's not a wrestler right he's fighting top contenders he's fighting kickboxing yeah he's a fucking animal and he's out of the conversation like they're talking about ankalayev fighting you know like oh alex is avoiding ankalayev so he takes khalil ankalayev and jan bohovich went to a fucking draw like what about that like what about him
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What does it say? Okay. Oh, he's supposed to fight Rakic, but he got a shoulder injury.
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Oh, shoulder surgery. But that was January, so that was 10 months ago. Yeah, it must be. Well, that's about the amount of time, especially when you're dealing with shoulder injuries, man. Those fucking things take forever.
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I went to Mexico. Yeah, it's a game changer. Yeah, it's a game changer. And we're getting fucked here in America where it's very difficult to get the same kind of treatment that you can get in Mexico and Panama. What they can do here is much more limited. Hopefully in the future they'll release those limitations. But yeah.
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In America, you're dealing with a lot of corruption because orthopedic surgeons, pharmaceutical drug companies, they're going to lose a lot of money if they have stem cell treatments because there's so many different things that it could fix.
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And he fights fucked up. He fights injured. Apparently his knee was really fucked up in the first Yuri Prohaska fight. Oh, wow. You know when he stopped Yuri and then he did like a forward roll off of Yuri? Yeah, yeah. He said he did that because he didn't trust standing on his right knee. Oh, wow.
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Well, there's enough people commenting on the Epstein case that I don't think you have to worry. But the people that are in the position to actually know the people's names on the list, those people are probably in trouble. Yeah. Because that's a crazy piece of information to have.
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No one's been brought—no one's been discussed. Boom. We know who went there. We know flight logs. No one talks about anything. There's no effort to prosecute. There's no effort. And then you have Ghislaine Maxwell, who's in jail for sex trafficking to who? To who? You have to have done it to someone, but there's no effort at all to uncover that.
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Sometimes you have to tell Diddy no.
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Yeah, it's crazy. Sean Diddy Combs' alleged list of accomplishments to be revealed soon. The names will shock you. Attorney says, whoa. I think he's going to sing, eh? I think he has to sing or he goes to jail for the rest of his life.
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Yeah, his knee was fucked up. It was fucked up in training camp. And so when he stepped off of him, he just decided to roll forward instead of putting weight on his right knee. That's smart. That's some parkour shit.
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If you don't know, you're just a celebrity and you know, oh, Jennifer Lopez is going to be there. Oh, Rick Ross is going to be there. Everyone's going to be there. That would be a cool place. I want to meet those people.
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And you're filmed. Yeah. I heard about that. Yeah. Allegedly. Cameras all over the house. And a hundred bottles of baby oil. Yeah. What? Nobody's that ashy, bro.
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Probably started out with it. That's all the bottles. No, that's AI. That's got to be AI. I don't know if it's AI. I think that's real. I think it was lube and baby oil. I think you had a variety of different substances. Who counted that? It was a thousand. Look at that.
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Imagine having 500 bottles. Five, six bottles of baby oil on the wall. Imagine having 500 bottles and go, we need to go for a fucking Target run.
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What is this, defaced AR-15s? Interesting. What does that mean? Does that mean they scratched the serial numbers off? Yeah. Whoa, that's a serious crime. Yeah.
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And then... Is he in cahoots with... Was he in cahoots with Epstein?
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Isn't it crazy? That was always the conspiracy theory, tinfoil hat thing. Oh, there's a place where the elites go to fuck underage kids. You're like, what?
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Alex Jones. He was right. He was right. He was right about a lot of things.
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About almost everything. Fucked up that one. But almost everything else he was... But you got to realize that that guy had been uncovering real conspiracies that the media had not covered for fucking decades. And he was literally having like a psychotic break because of it. Because he's just drinking all the time and dealing with the stress.
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Yeah. This whole thing was just money. It was just they were trying to convince everybody they needed a vaccine because they wanted to make enormous amounts of money and they pulled it off.
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I was talking to a dude last night who's a veteran who was telling me that the hospital where these veterans get treated, they literally told him we are not allowed to make a connection with any of these adverse side effects to the vaccine. even ones that are listed as vaccine side effects, they're not allowed to make that connection because they mandated the vaccine.
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And this is the real problem. The reason why all these corporations and all these people don't want to talk about it is because they mandated their employees to get vaccinated. Yeah.
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So even though there's no liability for the vaccine manufacturers because they're exempt, which is part of the problem why they fucking propose all these things anyway, but then you're not allowed to make the connection with the problem these people are having and the fact that they got vaccinated two, three times. You're not even allowed to say that this might have been the cause of it.
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bring up that connection that's so they have to just treat whatever this side effect of the vaccine is without talking at all about the vaccine and not give any connection to it isn't that funny it's through the looking glass yeah uh it's like we're living in the matrix man it really is it's like there's complete mind control and the idea of mind control is like no mind control is not real of course it happens i've seen it so many bots bro like sometimes
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Because they got vaccinated and they told people to get vaccinated and they don't want to believe they made the bad decision and they don't want to believe they coerced other people into making a bad decision. Yeah. So they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why all these health problems and all these. And then the overall all cause mortality increase, which is through the roof.
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In some age brackets, it's 40% increase in all cause mortality, strokes, cancer, heart attacks. All these things have gone through the roof and no one is making a connection.
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The pressure was incredible. The pressure was incredible. And, you know, I felt it in the weirdest way because I saw people lying about me on CNN. I was like, this is crazy.
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And the way you did it, too. Oh, my God. That was one of the greatest celebrations of all time.
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Yeah, it was horse dewormer. They changed the color of my face. They made me look yellow and sick on television.
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I'm like if you do that to me and by the way no one gave a fuck that I got better real quick that was the craziest part about it isn't this supposed to be about recovering from a disease here you got a guy who's recovered in three days and is telling you all the shit he took and you're lying
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Well, I remember when Dan Hooker had fought over here and then there was a picture of him being on the side of a fence looking at his daughter. It was heartbreaking.
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Well, that was a lot of things. I enjoyed it. People on Twitter lost their fucking mind because they were on Twitter all day long, locked in their house during quarantine for months and months at a time, just literally getting mentally ill, just reading Twitter and attacking people and then blaming all these people that are unvaccinated on all the problems of the world.
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They just put us against each other. Yeah. Constantly. I just hope people don't do that again. I hope people realize like, hey, that was no one benefited from that. No one got better. No, it didn't help anybody survive. It was all bullshit. I hope there's another lockdown.
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Teamsters and longshoremen strike in America, which means all the docks all the No one's moving nothing everything all the Amazon just for two No, no, no, no, no, no, no eventually that's all gonna lock down Eventually there's gonna be nothing if these guys keep going it's gonna cripple the economy right now it's only been a couple of days but the the head of the Longshoremen's Union was talking about what effect it's gonna have and he basically say I why they're doing it because they want more money and
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Okay. They feel like they have a more valuable position than they're being compensated for, and this is the best way they can negotiate. You guys need to understand how valuable we are to your society. You take us for granted. You don't want to give us what's fair, and so we're going to fuck you.
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And they haven't had a lockdown like that since 1977. 50 years, apparently. Yeah.
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It's a real one. It's a scary one, too, because they have an immense power and they haven't flexed it before and they're flexing it now. And they're flexing it like right before an election, which is who knows what kind of effect that's going to have. Because if the economy tanks because of that and they can blame Biden and Kamala Harris, you know, it could it could get crazy.
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It's a different kind of chaos. The whole world's watching. That's what's different because America is such a weird country that the whole world is watching when we have elections. Even, look, Trump just got almost assassinated. Twice. Twice. Twice.
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There was a second assassination attempt. Yeah, there was a guy who got caught with an AK-47. He was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours, got in a shootout with the Secret Service. I missed all this. Yeah, because they took it in and out of the news in like a heartbeat.
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No, the Secret Service shot at him. He fled. I don't think he shot at the Secret Service. He fled, and then they caught him.
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So this is a guy who's a real lunatic. He went over Ukraine to fight for the Ukraine forces. It's a crazy person. And this guy was somehow or another armed to the tits, even though it's illegal for him to be carrying a gun. He's a convicted felon. And he almost assassinated Trump. And it was out of the news cycle in a couple of days.
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They gloss over it. They don't give a fuck.
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Everything's wrong with that one. Everything's wrong. It wasn't really Secret Service. A lot of those are Homeland Security. The lady with the gun that she kept on fumbling with the gun. Full panic. Yeah. The whole thing was madness. And the fact that that went out of the news cycle real quickly, too. Nobody cares about the fact they almost killed that guy.
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And they went right back to calling him a threat to democracy, a threat to our society. Hey, who was that kid? How did he die? What happened there? How did he get a hold of those detonators? How did his apartment get completely professionally scrubbed? When they went to that kid's house, there was no silverware. His house was professionally scrubbed. And he lived by himself. Isn't he a teenager?
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20 years old. Meanwhile, he was in a BlackRock commercial. BlackRock the company? Yeah, he was in a BlackRock commercial. Okay.
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And then, yeah, dude, there's so much to that story. And here's the thing. If he kills Trump and then they kill him, who knows? It's all lost. It's all in the wind. Oh, lone shooter, crazy person, unfortunately got a hold of Trump. You know what we need to do? Take everyone's guns. Because gun violence is a real problem in this country. You know what's also a problem? Mind control?
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Like, what did you do to that kid? What drugs was he on? No toxicology examination. They burned his body in 10 days. Really? FBI took a hold of his body. So they didn't even bury him? No, they fucking cremated his ass. Fuck.
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It's nuts. Because he would have been Lee Harvey Oswald, too. I mean, just like Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shoots JFK, Jack Ruby walks up to him, bam, shoots him. He's dead. What happened? Who knows?
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So is that clip AI? Yeah, that's bullshit. Multiple shooters for sure. Most likely people in the grassy knoll. And most likely probably somebody from where Oswald was as well. It might even have been Oswald. Oswald might have taken a shot as well.
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For now. Yeah. Next year. It's going to get better and better. Yeah, I got to piss. Let's take a leak real quick.
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What was the most difficult part of it for you?
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Yeah, my youngest daughter won't have it. She grabbed me and dragged me away. Good. Like when people try to take photographs. She hates it. Good. My middle daughter, it doesn't bother her that much, but the youngest daughter, she gets fucking angry. They're stealing my daddy's attention from me.
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Especially when you're sitting down having dinner. That's crazy. When they come up to the table, like, come on, man, get the fuck out of here.
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They feel like you owe them something because they know who you are.
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Yeah. Yeah. I love when someone doesn't know who I am now. Now it's nice. Now I can have a regular conversation with someone, you know, like, what do you do? You're like, I'm a comedian. Oh, have you ever been on television? Yeah. A couple of times. Oh, I'll look out for you. Okay, good.
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It's just two people talking to each other. I like what you said. Protect your energy. Cause that's really what it is. Cause if you give up your energy to everyone, you will get lost. Yeah. You will get lost.
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Do you remember the first time you met a famous person?
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Well, you've had those experiences. That's where I give people grace when they're first meeting me. It's like, I get it. I remember the first time I met someone famous. It's weird. Yeah. It's a weird feeling.
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But I understand the weirdness of meeting someone famous because I do remember it. It's an odd feeling. You don't know what to do. You feel weird. You say dumb things. You don't know why you're saying them. And then you're like, what did I just do?
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I used to get imposter syndrome so bad. Yeah? Where I'd meet people, I'd be like, I can't believe you know who I am. I gotta hide. You shouldn't know who I am. I know who you are. You should know me. I'm a fucking loser.
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Yeah. That's a fun place. We have so many people roll through it, too. It's so interesting. All of a sudden, Jelly Roll's there.
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Yeah, he came here before the pandemic, and he was the one who put it in my head. Because, you know, Roms, I fucking love it here. It's easy to travel. It's the middle of the country. It's a beautiful place. No traffic. People are nice.
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Oh, it's so much better here. And it's better for comedy. It's just because it's the only club in the country that's owned by a comedian. So it's free. It's like you can be yourself. There's no executives or producers. Yeah, it's just me. I don't even have any partners. It's just me.
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Only when you're very, very beginning, and it's corrupt comedy clubs that you have to pay for stage time. Yeah, that's not normal. That's something to take advantage of amateurs so they can make extra money, so they can justify open mic nights and stuff like that. But that's not a lot of clubs. Most clubs, you know, you have amateur nights. They all should have it, but we have two nights.
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We have two nights of open mic nights. We just want to make it a real place where people can develop.
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From the very beginning, you could do your first set on stage ever at the Mothership and eventually headline there someday.
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Hard work. Just grinding. That kid's in that club every fucking night. And he's traveling all over the place, all over town, doing different clubs, going on the road. He's making the most of the experience.
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it's a weird kind of rejection thank you that's what it is it's like oh shit that didn't land escape escape escape you can't do shit it's just like nah fuck this shit but you also see other people can do it so you gotta figure out a way to do it and that's part of the challenge of it all it's why it's so exciting to succeed yeah I'll leave that to you guys the expert it's hard But it's also fun.
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I mean, it's the most fun thing to do for a living. And you could do it forever. All the time. You don't have to rely on your body being fit enough to do it. Fighting is so unique because there's a small window. You have from 18 to maybe 38 if you're lucky. Or you could be a Yoel Romero and compete deep into your 40s. But he's the rarest of the rare. Or Bernard Hopkins, you know.
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world championship level at 50. crazy but those are the outliers for most people there's a small window make the most of it yeah in an mma that window is the smallest yeah this is the smallest of all the combat sports that even make it to the top yeah yeah god think about how many guys have an amateur fight versus how many guys like make it to a just a world title fight
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just to fight for a world title. Forget about defending the world title. What you've done is the rarest of the rarest of the rare, and then win it back again.
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How could you be? Exactly. Exactly. I mean, think about how many times you defended the title, you won the title, you beat the greatest guys of your generation. How could you not be happy with what you've done already?
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Just concentrate on the task instead of this whole thing of the titles.
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So do you think that as the stakes are higher, the pressure is more and it just restricts your creativity? It restricts your ability to just be loose?
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Well, there's always a bunch of people that don't like that you've accomplished something they will never accomplish.
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And so they do want to watch you fall because it makes them feel better about their lack of success. What did Dave say?
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When is that supposed to take place?
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Would you want to? Because there's some three-rounders that I feel like we got robbed that it wasn't a five-rounder, like Saryukian and Charles Oliveira. That was a good example. Scrap. That was a scrap. Such a crazy fight.
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It's so interesting, too, how he keeps his body completely square. And he doesn't even really turn the hips. Yeah.
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Oliveira almost caught him a couple times with submissions.
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And lost a controversial decision, like very close decision. And then I feel like you give him two more rounds, who knows what would happen. Another one was Hamzat and Kamaru.
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That third round, Kamaru was coming on strong.
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Yeah, off the couch, 10 days, 10 days notice. Crazy. Fighting at 85, 170-pound champion, right off the title loss, and then, you know, third round he wins, and you're like, God, what would have happened fourth and fifth?
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Yeah, especially champions. Yeah. Yeah.
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so yeah I do like a five round fight and also you don't get paid by the round so sometimes fights end like that so yeah that's up to you yeah so do you have a timeline of like when you would like to fight again how many fights you would like to have because I know you're 35 now how long do you think you're gonna do this
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Is there any fights that like Strickland that you'd like to do again?
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So it was that one shot that cracked you in that first round that changed the whole momentum of that fight.
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How much damage did he do in that exchange?
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They had nothing left in the tank. You see Strickland's like, it was all arms.
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There was nothing in the tank. Yeah. They emptied out.
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You guys don't have barbecue in New Zealand? No, we do. Oh, yeah. You have like a Terry Black's in New Zealand?
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He's so tall and dangerous. There's so many good fighters coming out of there now.
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Australia and New Zealand just have such restrictive laws.
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And the government has such control over people. And I didn't realize it until the pandemic.
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It's very interesting because Khalil's so fast. And Khalil's had experience with high-level kickboxers when he knocked out Gokhan Saki. That was a big one. That was a big one. And that was early on where everybody was like, oh shit, Gokhan Saki's finally in the UFC. And then boom, Khalil just takes him out. Khalil's fast. He hits fucking hard.
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Getting stomped to death by a bull is not a good way to die.
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So you feel like you're gonna need that forever.
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It has to be good. Oh, yeah, facts. There's a lot of people that want a great relationship, so they talk themselves into one. And the next thing you know, you're with some girl who's going through your phone.
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And he throws like the thing that he did with Lionheart. He throws that off-speed shit sometimes. He'll give you a little of this, and then he jolts in on you. That off-speed uppercut was nasty.
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There's a problem that girls, when they think that you are busy with something else and you don't care about, you're not paying attention to them, they're not your primary focus. They get very upset. I've seen guys where they're getting ready for a fight and their girl starts fights with them as they're weighing in. Yeah.
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Right. The intimate person in your life wants you to fail because they're competing with you and they want to get over on you.
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It can work, but, boy, you've got to find the right person. They've got to find you. I'm not looking. I'm not looking.
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Just for the lulz. Just for the lulz. Yeah. Yeah. Easy. Well, you know, you have to protect your time. That's the problem. It's like you only, especially when you're doing something like fighting, there's the amount of time and dedication that's required to be at your very best is insane. And there's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. Even in sports. Yeah.
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If you're a basketball player, you have to play basketball, you have to practice, but there's a lot more free time. Yeah. A lot more free time, and it doesn't drain your body the way fight training does.
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Do you have a timeline on how much longer you want to fight for?
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That's probably the end where guys can compete at the high. Like Jared Cannoneer got to like 38, 39. He started to fall off a little bit in the last two fights. He's lost.
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Do you have any thoughts of things to do other than things for adrenaline? Oh, yeah.
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Especially contract shit. That's very difficult to really absorb. There's no pictures. You need an anime contract. Make me a fucking cartoon that explains what happens if everything goes wrong. With me crying. Oh, no money. Or me living in a palace with a bathtub filled with gold.
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It's going to be interesting to see right away how Khalil deals with the distance and how Alex deals with the speed. Because the thing is, Alex can be hit. And Bruno Silva tagged him a few times. You took him out. I think the 85 thing was, I think the drain for him to make 85 was insanity. I think it was insane.
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Overall, it seems like you're in a real good place.
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Well, they were rooting for you, and they feel bad.
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There's a thought that some people have that in order to be at your best, it has to be everything. You have to live and die by your performances. And when your performance sucks, you have to suffer until you get a good one.
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You're never going to stop. You never stop learning. When you do, you're going to die.
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Yeah, life is an experience. It's a long, and people have like this number thing in their head. Oh, by 30, you should know this. Some people, some people know. Some people don't learn until they're 40. Some people never learn.
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It just elevates him in his mind. Exactly.
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And I was like, man, this nigga's cracked out. Oh, he's a crazy person.
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Bro, people were trying Chuck Liddell in his prime, and he was a complete psychopath.
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If you knock that guy out and he bounces his head off, that was what was going through my head.
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Bro, that's your own blood. Icy Red. You should see clearly. That's a ridiculous thing. I've never heard anybody say Icy Red and it worked out well.
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What's different about getting ready to fight him?
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They might try to make an example out of you. They will. Yeah, especially if you killed somebody.
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It's a real challenge to be yourself with the kind of attention and pressure that you get.
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It's always weak people that want to do that.
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To you? Yeah, exactly. But you were an asshole. So I had to be an asshole to get you to fuck away from me.
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Well, I don't think they'll ever understand what it's like to be a person like you.
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Yeah. And so, again, they feel like you have this advantage, this privilege that no one else gets. So they think that you owe them something. You owe them your time.
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So I can't remember how I responded. Yeah. You think I wasn't trying to win?
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They're taking advantage of the fact that you're being respectful.
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I know what you're saying. I got to put me first. Yeah, you have to. If you don't, nobody else will.
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Well, listen, brother, I think the way you handle yourself and the way you communicate and the way you're honest and just you can be yourself, it's a great example to other people, especially young fighters that are coming up and trying to figure out how they're going to manage this. And if they ever be so fortunate, they get to a position like yourself. you gave him a little roadmap.
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And I think that's a beautiful gift to give people, an understanding of how an intelligent, sensitive person deals with this crazy position in life. Thank you.
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I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Love you, man. You're the fucking man.
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Watch it. Apple TV. There it is. Bang. Beautiful.
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Thank you. My pleasure. I appreciate it, brother. Thank you. Bye, everybody.
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Right, you had come so close a couple of times. Every time. And then even in the first fight in the UFC, so close at the end of that first round. Like, you had him. If there was 30 seconds left in the fight or in the round, yeah.
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Exactly. Over and over and over again.
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Fight Companion - October 26, 2024
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I referenced it on the top. It's all bullshit.
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Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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So you can dive right into the fight. Call of Duty Black Ops 6 is out October 25th. So dive in because I've got your back. Remember, I replace you, Blade. It's that simple.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense. Why?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Everyone's aware of all this stuff. But what I want to get to is, like, what was the experience once you got inside? What did you think it was going to be like in terms of, like, your ability to govern? Like, this is your first experience governing anything. You've never been a governor.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the left?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, the idea is you want to raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know, but it really doesn't work that way. They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair share. I know, but it doesn't work that way. Well, it's a narrative, right? And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
I agree. One of the things that I want to talk to you about is the JFK files. And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this is your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Living people that formerly worked for the government.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
What did they tell you? How much can you tell? How does that work? Is it like super top secret?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor, I had him in, who had that sighting in 2004. Very, very compelling with visual, video evidence, radar evidence. Brian Graves.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars. But
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, that's a lot of the speculation, too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, I mean, just the Commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. They don't know what it is.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah, they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force, no one would survive.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
And it doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their propulsion system was. But when you fly in some of these jets...
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#2219 - Donald Trump
But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of. Yeah. Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't, that they didn't tell you about?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
What did you expect, though, in terms of like once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people. How many appointments did you have to make?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
So let's imagine, let's say you win in November. What do you do differently and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War III? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas. And then some of our phones are made in places like- Yes, and the chips.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States so they get these people to build them overseas.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
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#2219 - Donald Trump
So what did you think it was going to be like versus like, did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
So you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people. And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion. It's outside of the. Yeah.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
So you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make. So you're getting advice from people. And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Nobody gives up primetime, though, for being president?
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#2219 - Donald Trump
People that were into the- Because you got bad advice.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. And they boosted you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him. That's really him.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. And one of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Like you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking and you're making – we've highlighted you on the show many times. We did this Biden impression where he's walking around. He doesn't know what he's doing.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
But it's like you – and you were making fun of Elon one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail. Like that's great timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like no one had done that. And I think –
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#2219 - Donald Trump
I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts. And they've— brush those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the right, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was attacks on, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like... Kamala was talking about you and Hitler. They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.
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#2219 - Donald Trump
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People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike, so we're not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe. And it's only nine years ago.
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It's crooked, but it's also they're diminishing themselves. They're hurting themselves. They're killing all their credibility, and it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to independent media.
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We can show it if you want people to see it. Can we show it? Sure. We get in trouble, we'll get copyright strike. Okay.
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But it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
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Well, that's his job, unfortunately, and I'm sure- No, but not when they're wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her. Not at all. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones.
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There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw- The congressman posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed. Stupidly deployed.
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But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody. Like if someone says maybe she thought there was no—which is also a problem. So it's one of two things. It's either it was not true, it was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite.
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Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.
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You turned out to be right, but then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest idea of all time.
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But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say carpenters fucking suck. But they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the key with cops.
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But the point is like they did all of these things in this very foolish way. And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime, like you call the cops, they're too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your house got broken into. Sorry. You know, it doesn't even make a report.
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Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president. It was very coordinated. And some people are catching on to that now.
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And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. I've talked to a ton of cops about it. A lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
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But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say defund the police, get rid of the police. Even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
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They would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention. That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need to become a girl.
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There's a lot of people that were longtime Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different, very intelligent people.
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Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
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This is what I wanted to ask you. What was it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office. What did you think it was going to be like?
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But it was the episode of you when you're on The View. And I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you were running for president.
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Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of an iPad. You just set it down on the ground, you get high-speed internet. It's incredible.
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Well, talk about the $42 billion that was wasted on this internet access program. They didn't get anybody access to internet.
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Not one person. They spent $42 billion. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.
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And it would have been incredible. And it's high-speed internet everywhere you want to go.
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Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now.
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When you're talking about, one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit. Right. So, what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount?
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So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.
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Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things? Outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course. But are there other influences that maybe over-accentuate or over-exaggerate these environmental effects?
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Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
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So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?
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Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.
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I want to be honest with you. How do they do that? How do they make it?
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They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money. It's a weapon. I'm curious how they're generating money that way, though. Well, they get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And people rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.
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But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact.
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Like look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
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We get the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
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That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He cleaned it up. He cleaned it up. He got rid of all the homeless people.
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Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean? Can you imagine? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem.
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Well, this is the thing that shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think, a lot of these people that are running these states think. It's foolish. You're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's an app that you can buy.
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There's an app that you can get, rather, that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app. And it's just everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere.
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And- You got introduced as our friend Donald Trump. That's right. Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss. Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how you might be... You might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially. They were talking about you in such a favorable light.
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You ever see what it looked like before they rerouted it?
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The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.
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Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation that they're in now.
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Tulare Lake or Tachi Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then. It's a great system. So that's what it looked like. Look at that image. Go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah.
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That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
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That's what it used to look like. And human beings screwed that up.
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I don't know what they did. What did they do? How did it go missing? It said they drained it in 83.
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Yeah. 1983. Oh, my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh, it went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one.
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Could you really rake the whole forest, though? I don't think you could rake the whole forest. I think you can get rid of the deadfall, but raking all the leaves... You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay?
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Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victory for you?
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Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn't handle it.
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Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. and that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island.
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These are old systems, and they're much more capable now, and they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They have the potential disaster.
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I think it's worse than that. I think that area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the point is they're better at it now. Right. And that they could do it now and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.
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Yeah, it is what's happening. And people want to think they're being green.
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That's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
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Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past this enormous windmill farm, and it's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and the right, and all you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity.
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Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. Right. You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
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And in the oceans. It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
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What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
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Right, and they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.
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Would your plan to replace that with nuclear? What would you do?
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Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
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Those are not good operations. And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said that's why he's headed out west. Like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term.
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Yeah. Well, he couldn't keep it together, but do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together? I think so. Do you think that they wanted, is that why, like historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
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Well, that is what happened. So it's logical to assume that that's the one.
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Well, I want to get to that too because it's hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls.
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Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't think it is.
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There's a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that too because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?
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And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?
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I think he's a brilliant guy, and I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. You did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast. Right. And he just did it.
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He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.
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No, no. He was a nice guy. Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing. Timing's good. I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a scar on your ear? You got anything on there? I do. I do. What did we say?
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Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.
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One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.
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Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them. The Bush administration, the dangling chads, all that stuff.
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My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denier. It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots. Oh, my God, you're an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, It's not 0%.
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So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it 0%? No one thinks it's 0%. I've never met one person, not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's 0%. They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.
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And there's the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it was.
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Yeah. And this is I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to said your love of Hitler yesterday.
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they were in their 70s and their 80s but i think you should take cognitive tests i think everybody they say it's unconstitutional but i think that's ridiculous i think kamala should have a test because there's something missing there's something wrong with her well i think it's pressure i think the pressure and the scrutiny you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like but for someone who's in her late 40s who becomes the vice president who runs for president becomes the vice president
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and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders and there's all these people paying attention. A lot of people clam up.
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Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
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The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. All right, we're rolling. Good to see you, sir. Thanks, Joe. Here we go. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode. We don't want anybody to have any sort of a way to get it down.
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This is because it's too dangerous? Yeah, too dangerous, because they see the light up in the air.
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So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn't go after ISIS?
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We're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over apartment buildings. These Venezuelan gangs.
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What do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?
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But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states. Like this is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
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Right, but also it's obviously not just her. There's a strategy that's involved in letting these people in.
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Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also utilize that app. the app that used to be used. It used to be used, I think, essentially, wasn't it for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?
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The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning in the polls and then the machine started working towards you. But there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked and the way they've done it so coordinated and systematically.
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It's hard to know. I think one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC, and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast.
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They didn't pay me anything for the first like 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Dana. And my position was, you're going to give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll do it. And I wanted to help. I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for.
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In the early days of the sport, I started working for the company in 1997. I was the – before the UFC was purchased by Zufa, which Dana worked for. Oh, wow, wow. So I was a part of the previous owners. And I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much and I was losing money. And it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain. And you could only get it on direct TV.
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A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC.
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Well, now it's huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be. I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe like other people who just think it's too violent. But can boxing make it? Yeah.
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I think, well, you know, Dana is working with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing could return because the thing is they want to make fights.
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that other people maybe you know promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter controversial fights where you know it's dangerous like you don't know this guy could lose and so the saudis they're smart they just offer a tremendous amount of money and they're putting together fighter fights that no one else can put together they're doing that in boxing if dana's involved he'll probably make it good you know the amazing thing though the the infighting
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#2219 - Donald Trump
Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch. You can try to take the fight to the ground.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
You don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed. And generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished on the ground and the fight's over. If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kind of clears, but you're still in real bad trouble.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And then you can kind of run away and survive until the bell rings. There are only three-minute rounds. And then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to the head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weight cutting and boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight. And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Ducku Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we've seen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking. And it led to a bunch of different changes. One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better. And the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Those last three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight. The UFC is five-minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out. And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. John Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time, never lost. There's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George St. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, Mighty Mouse. People forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he's a smaller guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think to this day. And Khabib? Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't have as many world championship fights.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He might have lost to Glace and T-Bow. He might have lost to him. Around. He might have lost around. And that was a controversial fight where people think that Glace and T-Bow could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. They're great athletes. Oh, the best athletes in the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And the most dangerous sport in terms of like... I always call it high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney. Was it Randy Couture? But that was like an easy fight. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and strangled him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah, he ankle-picked him, took him down, mounted him, strangled him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I think James just wanted to make some money in that fight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah, it was Couture. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yes, unquestionably. That's the argument. There's like a handful of guys you can make the argument is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable. But that's the thing is. And then there's Fedor Emelianenko who fought in pride. In his prime, he was unstoppable.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira. There's an argument that he's the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak. You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up. You've got to judge them in that championship peak.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
In that championship peak, there's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He got knocked out by Chris Weidman. He was kind of clowning in that fight famously and Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out. And then they fought a second time and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters, Weidman actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's only been like four of those.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Never the same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg. You can. But psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for a year, right? You have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together. And then it takes forever for it to heal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
More than you think. Yeah, but your shin gets very numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're kicking soft areas. and they're slamming this hard, numb shin. Their shin gets all these micro-fractures all over the shin, and it calcifies. These guys can kick baseball bats.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins? It's crazy. Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball bat, and they'll just kick right through them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, it has to be authentic. I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very interested in it, for real. I don't have to manufacture it. I'm very interested.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yes, it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
So back to you and back to what what are you? And first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary. And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And that's our food. That's our diet. That's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And are you guys completely committed to have him a part of your administration?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health. Here's the one that my all-time favorite, though.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have there been people that are reaching? To not work with who? RFK Jr. Yes. Yes, I would imagine. Because financially, he could put a dent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, certainly if there have been. It doesn't affect me. Some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Is it vaccine-derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because, unfortunately, sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give them polio.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one's New Zealand. But they're more restrictive than we are.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, I know you're aware of Cali and casein amines, right? Yes. Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food and we have food deserts and we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that many people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then For a lot of these people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap, unhealthy food. And we could fix that. If we could send $175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And I think it would help us as a nation overall. If you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier. Just put it out there and people start making better choices.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Some people are just way more robust. But you do play golf a lot, and that is exercise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And it's also a thing, I think, that cleans your mind. Because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
But wasn't that like a couple of days after you got shot? I don't know. I know I haven't. That was one of the funniest things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
So I've gone now- What's the biggest deal in the free world?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
You'd get a lot of positive press. I would get a lot of positive press. No, it's a creepy, corrupt business. And the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah, it's bizarre to watch. And most young people, I think, are aware of it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
It's the Internet. It's because the Internet is giving people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they like the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things they've done. They tried to pin on you. That's like it's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
He said, if you don't win, it's going to be a bloodbath.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context. And ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to them anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted. Their intelligence is getting insulted. Well, look at the ratings.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today. And people are upset.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
They're like, you want to be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You want to like buck the system? You're a conservative now. That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro- They're pro-silencing criticism. They're pro-censorship online. They're talking about regulating free speech and regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by saying that that's what you're going to do once you get in office.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I respected that you didn't because what you said was it would be bad for the country.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Sounds terrible because it's associating her with those charges.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
So I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Are you going to present this ever? Like, do you think... Let me just give you one more before.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right? There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven, right? That's one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. Sure. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watch the news.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
That you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs. You cannot share that story. They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew it was not. 100%.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
So that's two examples that are real examples. Now, anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
She was supposed to do it and she might still do it. And I hope she does. She's not going to do it. I will talk to her like a human being. I would try to have a conversation with her.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
We'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as a human being. I don't think these formats are good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you were on Oprah's show, she was encouraging you to be president.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Right. But the way they do the debates I think is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across the table with no one in the room but the two of you. Of course you're not going to shout at each other. Of course you're not going to insult each other.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
To put cameras on you with no one interfering with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly things that were inaccurate, right? So have two people just have a conversation with you without a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off the microphone. No crowd.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
No crowd. Crazy, too, because you're good at working a crowd.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Right. That's what they thought was going to happen. Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well. They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
No, she had like 10 other – Yeah, well, Megan said you said it to other people and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was a comedic timing moment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
It's comedic timing, and that's the reason why to have a debate in front of a large audience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff. The Tim Walz stuff was very funny. Tim Walz, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him, and this is one of the questions I want to ask her, when she was sleep deprived. She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is just like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
She shouldn't have picked that guy. That guy's a disaster. The lying about Tiananmen Square. Everything. Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Is that proven that she never worked at McDonald's? 100%.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it, because it's blue no matter who. There's a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
They're pressured. Their community, their ideology, left is good, right is evil.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that? Do you think they're trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want cheap labor? What's the idea?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And if you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he owns Twitter.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
You're allowed to have an opinion. Let's say you win. in November, what can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at the level that the president has power?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
And this is – it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
How about – Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing why you don't need voter – Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to strawman it, or I've tried to steelman it, rather. I've tried to, like, look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2219 - Donald Trump
Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would want that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
No. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would she have to? So someone can talk to her. So someone can coach her. I thought they had better earpieces than...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Good point. So I was trying to erase, like, in Major League Baseball from the search if I could.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Yeah, but if you could throw a fastball, you would just be in the major leagues.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
They would pay you a lot of money for that. They would just figure out a way to get you over the plate. Yeah. You only have to do it like ten times and you can make a lot of money. So 105? 105.8, yeah. There's a bunch of – one guy has done it a bunch of times at 105, and a few people have joined him in the 105, but no one's cracked 106.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
I think you've got to give that about 30 minutes to an hour and then check again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Why does it have to spin around? Why didn't it just come out the way it needs to? Because it's like, look at my dick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
They said he's worth over $2 billion. Well, there you go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
I think this was probably separate from... I can't remember when that happened on Twitter. I just think someone's adding that in with this video of him in the car. Oh, are they? Yeah. Oh, those dirty bitches. He was around the same time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Look at my dick. According to just the quick search, there's various investments through his venture capital firm, including Airbnb, Stripe. Oh, Airbnb was a big one for him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
If it says it's Amarillo, it's all the way up near Oklahoma.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Yeah. Oh, I don't know where Amarillo is. Like the top, tip top.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2202 - Tom Segura
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, it's fucking dumb. It doesn't work that way. You have to look at things realistically. And then you have to look at the root of the problem instead of looking at the actions. Don't look at the actions. Look at what causes the actions. Extreme poverty, despair, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
If you don't fix them, you're going to keep getting the same kind of people that come out of there. So that is where we... We spent $175 billion on Ukraine. That's so crazy, dude. We could have easily fixed all of our inner city problems. We could have set up community centers, given people nutritious food.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We could have completely renovated the schools, fixed the schools, brought in athletes and musicians and people to do seminars and show people how they can get out of things, teach people trade. Life skills. Life skills. Teach people things that you can use, you can apply, you can get jobs. Show them how to get jobs. You know, there's a lot of people that are fucked, man.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They're fucked and they have no one reaching a hand to try to help them out. And we could have done that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But is that on purpose? I don't think it is. I think they're acting in the interest of the people that pay them. And the interest of the people that pay them is supporting the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industrial complex. And then all the people that give them money keep getting more money from them and ignore all the other people. This is what I think they're doing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And this is what I think they're doing with voting as well. I mean, I think it's the exact same thing. The reason why they're letting in so many people and giving them money and putting them up in hotels and then asking for amnesty for all these people that came in. We need people. This is like this new narrative. We're not having enough babies. We need people to come into this country. Sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Not that way. Yeah. Not where you don't know who the fuck they are. We'd like to vet them. 15,000 of them are rapists. 14,000 of them are murderers, convicted murderers. This is just what we know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That's a little more complicated. The Native American story is a little more complicated in that regard. Because the buffalo thing, there's some evidence that some people were killing the buffalo to deprive the Native Americans of food. But most of it was just wanton and destructive recklessness and just like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
greed just horrible greed yeah you know what they were doing it for pickled tongues that was the primary that's crazy getting before they're even getting skins from the buffalo they're getting tongues tongues was like one of the big things because you could take them you could pickle them you could send them back east they were worth a lot of money that's crazy because the buffalo tongues like that big yeah so they're shooting this 1800 pound animal for a fucking 10 pound tongue
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
How about train the best humans? If they happen to be women, great. If they're not women, don't hire them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But you know what that is. That's all that DEI stuff where they have to, in order to get funding, there's a financial incentive to meet DEI quotas. A lot of companies are abandoning them now. All of it happened during the Obama administration.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Have you ever seen, we showed it yesterday on the podcast. Was it yesterday or the day before? The spike in racism and all these things on social media.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
How crazy is that? It's legal for the government to not just legally lie, but they can concoct completely fabricated stories just to push a narrative if they decide that it's in the best interest of national security or whatever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
All of it comes up at 2012. It just starts at 2011 and just spikes. Thousands and thousands.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Mentions on social media all of a sudden became a big thing. And then you have all your race hustlers who are taking advantage of these DEI quotas and they provide seminars for exorbitant rates. This is the Al Sharpton hustle, the Jesse Jackson hustle. Yeah. You know, all those, there's a lot of those guys that capitalize on white guilt and got in with a fucking nice fucking deal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Big cash, making big money. I want shrimp cocktail in the green room. You know, they... Fight diversity. Hook me up with some Dom Perignon. And they pulled it off. And that's what you're always going to have. You're always going to have people that take advantage of any kind of a situation like that. But that one seems to be – I don't think they realized the impact it was going to have.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I think they were just trying to push a narrative that people are racist and we should not be racist. And it was like a good talking point for the Obama administration. but then it spread to transphobia and homophobia. It just went wild.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They've destroyed the confidence that people have in America. They've destroyed the faith in America. People think that the American flag is racist or It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Schools will kick you out if you come in with an American flag t-shirt. Like, this is bananas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's destroyed the meaning of words and it really opens the door for real racists. Like if you only have one word and the word is racist and you apply that word to anyone. Everyone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Anyone who disagrees with you. They apply it to Graham Hancock, the archaeologist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I had this fucking guy on, this Flint Dibble guy who's an archaeologist who literally wrote things implying that Graham Hancock's work empowers white supremacy. So stupid. And I asked him about it, and he was trying to skit around it and dance around it. But I've seen him do it online with other people, too. And this is a guy in Graham Hancock who's talking about ancient cultures.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He's literally saying... We're talking about Egypt. No one's saying that white people built the pyramids. They're saying that they've been there longer than people think. That's it. By the same fucking people that lived there in Northern Africa. It's the same fucking people. No one's... No one is saying white people. There's no white people back, I mean, especially in that area.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What are you talking about? It's not a white thing. It's Egyptians. It's Africans.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But yet you can say racist and everybody's like, oh my God, they're racist.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So crazy, dude. It's nuts, but it loses. The problem is there's real racists out there. There's fucking KKKs real. There's real white supremacists out there. And when you call a fucking archaeologist, you know, an amateur archaeologist, a racist, because he's like trying to say like, hey, maybe this stuff is older than we think it is.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, now, what about the, what are you going to call the real, are they super racists? What are those? And what does this mean?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They're trying to take away the notion that these ancient indigenous people constructed these things. But no one's saying that. Like he even implied that Graham has said something about aliens, which he definitely hasn't. He doesn't think aliens built it. They're misrepresenting the argument. And the argument is a fascinating one. And it's backed by actual science.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's weird because like, you know that David Icke stuff where he said they're all lizard people? I don't think they're really lizard people. I don't think they're really shapeshifters. But they do behave in a reptilian way. Like a corporation does. Like a psychopath.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And the argument is there's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory that happened around 11,800 years ago.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
documented, proven, 100% real event. They know the dates that it happens because it happens every year. Was it November and June? Is that when the meteor, the Leonid meteor shower, is that what it is? So there's a comet shower that we pass through twice a year and every now and then a big chunk, like the Tunguska event,
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The Tunguska event in the early 1900s, which flattened like a million acres in Siberia, is the exact same time period where we pass through this shower. So they believe that at 11,800 years ago, this impact... And this is proven by core samples that show high levels of iridium, high levels of this nuclear glass that happens on impacts. And they find this stuff...
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
All in the same area around 11,800 BC and then another one that's somewhere around 11,800 years ago rather and another one that's like 10,000 plus years ago. So they think there's like multiple events that took place over a few thousand years, which totally makes sense if we pass through this fucking shower all the time and it nuked a giant chunk of Siberia in the early 1900s.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So all he's saying, all Graham Hancock is saying is we are a species with amnesia.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Whoever did it, they had an insane level of sophistication that doesn't make any sense when you compare the rest of the world. The rest of the world at 2500 BC, which is the conventional date. Let's say that's correct. Just the conventional date. Graham Hancock thinks it was probably much earlier. But let's say the conventional date. No one else was doing anything like that. 2500 BC.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Not even close. So what was going on there? Did they just have insane resources? Did they have so much food and water and they existed for thousands of years? Just like, look, we were talking about this. I had Brian Cox on yesterday. And we were talking about how if you go back literally 120 years ago, you have Wilbur and Orville Wright flying this bullshit-ass plane.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Now 120 years later, you have Elon Musk and Starship X catching rockets on a fucking machine.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The kind of progress that you're looking at is fucking impossible to imagine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So imagine if these Egyptians had this same sort of situation where they had an established civilization, an established culture, plenty of food, plenty of resources, brilliant people, no war. And then they just start figuring stuff out, but on a different pathway instead of with like – engines and internal combustion and electronics, they go a different way.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And we don't know what that way is, but it's totally possible that that way exists.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, that's the case with Egypt. There's old kingdom and then there's new kingdom stuff. And when you go deeper into the sand, you find more complex buildings. Yeah, dude. Which is nuts. Bigger stones. Like, what? Crazy stuff, man. That Old Kingdom Egypt stuff is a specific style. And so, you know, maybe that was 11,800 years ago and then maybe 10,000 years ago is the other one.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Like, we don't know. We don't know how old that stuff is.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The Egyptians of Cleopatra's age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But someone, you know, a long-ass time ago had knowledge of the constellations, had an understanding of how to point something to perfect due north, south, east, and west, and just the calculations that have to be involved in getting 2,300,000 stones to come to a perfect point. Crazy. Like, that's insane.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And then some of them, they're moving these stones from 500 miles through the mountains. And then they have stones that are like 80 tons. And they're lifting them 300 feet onto the ceiling. Like, you tell me how they're doing this. How the fuck? How the fuck do we? How would we do that now?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And you see that all over the place. But you know, the thing is like craftsmen for like, if you go into like old houses and old churches, the craftsmanship is insane. Have you ever been to Vatican? No. No, that's on the list. Vatican's incredible. St.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The epic return of Yellowstone. Sunday, November 10th at 8, 7 Central on Paramount Network. Mind-blowing. You walk around, it took hundreds of years to make. And the craftsmanship is just spectacular. When you rock around, your jaw's just hanging out like... What the fuck, man? Show some photos of St. Peter's Basilica. Dude, it's immense. I don't know how tall the ceiling is.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's fucking crazy tall. But it's like everywhere you look is incredible, ornate craftsmanship. And, you know, that was a thing that people did. Like, show the inside. Look at that. Click on that. Look at that, man. The detail. Oh, my God. In real life, it blows your mind because you're just like, how? How long? What was the motivation? How did you get the money?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Who did you steal all that money from? That is so crazy. Click on that other one, Jamie. Wow. Look at that. And then the one to the left of that, too. Look at that. Fuck, dude. And when you walk around in there, I mean, photos barely do it justice. Go to the one there in the right-hand side, Jamie, with all the people in it, right next to that to the right. Yeah, right there. Look at that one.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So that gives you an understanding of the scale. You see all these people roaming around in it. It's fucking amazing. And so people were just really good at carpentry and craftsmanship back then. And it was a skill that was taught in school. How many sculptors are there today? It's probably a dying thing. It's probably very few actual sculptors.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But back then, it was a real craft that you can get into. And especially, you know, you're doing all this stuff by hand. Like, they didn't even have power tools. Okay? So that whole thing was built without table saws, no band saws. It was all planers and hand chisels.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We know the dates of that. We know the people that did it. That's all doable. It's especially doable over hundreds and hundreds of years of working on it, which is what we know that they did. When you get to things like the pyramid, all definitions kind of fall apart because there's too many stones.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I think they said that they gave a timeline of something in the neighborhood of 20 years, the Pharaoh Khufu, his lifetime, and that in order to build that pyramid just within his lifetime, within his reign, which was like 20 years, you would have to place a stone every 30 seconds or something crazy like that. You have to cut, place, measure, and it would take 30 seconds per stone.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Do you think- Okay. I always thought Hinckley was a lone nut that was infatuated with Jodie Foster. So-
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I think you get the Joel Osteens who are in a giant fucking stadium because they want to make money. That's what religion has become a way to get tax-exempt status, and you can be a baller. You could be that Kenneth Copeland guy with fucking flying around on Tyler Perry's jet.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Don't you say that I did. Crazy, dude. Fucking vicious, man. I feel bad for Jesus.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, that guy's not in Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing is, like, how is... There's some scams that are legal. It's crazy. And televangelists is the best scam that's legal. Because it's legal. Start your own church. It's legal. You don't have to be a real righteous person. You don't have to be following the Bible. A lot of them are gay. They're fucking people left and right. Like...
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Remember Tammy Faye Baker and Jim Baker? Cuckings, just Cuckings. And Jessica Hahn. Remember that?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Jessica Hahn, who wound up banging Sam Kinison, which is hilarious. The places you will go and the people you will see. I remember one time Sam Kinison was on Howard Stern and Jessica Hahn was calling in, you're a piece of shit. You're like, fuck you.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Back then, those were national stories. Those were huge national stories. When I preach, like when Jimmy Swagger got caught with hookers. Yeah. I've seen. Yeah. Remember that? He was crying.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Can I stop you right there? I hate when people say they're on a journey.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, these are the good days until the election, then who the fuck knows what happens.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Cash reading the New Testament. Oh, so he was old. It was old Johnny Cash, 1990. It's the best.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I tried to say I read a book to Donnell Rawlings. I told him I read it on, I listened to it on audio tape.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I was like, I absorbed the information. But you did not read it. That's fine, Kalen, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I haven't read a book in a long time. Well, because you're busy, dude. I read articles. I read science papers, but I don't read very many books. Most books I get in the sauna or I get on the way over to here.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You have to learn how to absorb information. So it's like everything else. Like if you're talking to someone, but you're drifting, you know, you're not really thinking about that. You're like, oh, I got to do laundry. And then you start thinking stuff.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You're just looking for clues. Especially if you're talking to someone who's just talking at you. People that talk at you are so brutal because they're not really there with you. They just have a thing and they're pressing play. You just happen to be there. You happen to be there. And they're just drive-by shooting you. And they just want you to smile and make them look good. It's kind of weird.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They don't really give a fuck what your opinions are. But if you're talking to one of those people, it's super easy to drift.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You just start thinking about shit you got to do. Oh, yeah, I should probably do that. Oh, I forgot to call that guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Barack Obama, the 10th cousin once removed of George W. Bush through Samuel Hinckley of Cape Cod. Holy shit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We were trying to have a conversation about this in the green room the other day. All the different people, I go, listen, anybody doing this job is out of their fucking mind.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Which is fine. It's okay to be out of your mind. My favorite people are out of their fucking mind. Just be a good person. Be out of your mind, but be nice. Be out of your mind, but be nice, be generous, be charitable. It's okay to be out of your mind, but you should also probably figure out a way to manage your mind.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
My way to manage my mind is cold plunges, workouts, saunas, brutalize myself, meditate. That way, when I do such difficult shit on my own, that the regular life, the difficulties of regular life are pretty passive. They're not that big of a deal. It's not like three minutes in 33 degree water.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's not a kettlebell workout where you fucking think you're going to throw up. It's okay. Like jujitsu class, you're getting strangled. If you get through all that stuff, like regular life is easier. That's why like being on the couch is bad. Being on the couch is bad not because it's not great to be on the couch. I love to be on the couch.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I love watching me a little Netflix, sitting down for a little shit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Shogun binge-watching it's fucking awesome, but it's too Comfortable and when that becomes your baseline then anything that's uncomfortable becomes difficult to handle because you're most of your day is like Relaxation and and sedentary lifestyle. That's not good for you. It's not good for your brain forget about your body Forget about vanity It's not good for the brain.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I've never gone down the Hinckley rabbit hole. So John Hinckley, the guy who killed or shot, rather, Reagan, what was his deal? Was he MKUltra?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The brain needs, you need voluntary adversity so that life's adversity becomes normal. I'm sure you know military guys. I know, I have a lot of friends that have been in war. And those guys that have been in war have a completely different reaction to regular bullshit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Regular bullshit is not that big a deal to those guys. They're just like, this is just regular bullshit. This is easy day. Easy day. You know, because war is fucking crazy. And it's like, how much... How much have you seen? How much have you had to deal with? And that's why rich kids and spoiled kids, they have such a hard time navigating life. Look at Hunter Biden.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Look at that poor bastard. You know, if that guy was your dad, if your dad was a fucking vice president and he was never home, he'd probably be doing coke too. He'd probably be in Vietnam smoking crack with street hookers, taking pictures of your dick. Why not?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, I never looked, but congratulations. Well, yeah, I have to do research. Somebody asked me. They had a copy of the entire laptop. They said, do you want it? I said, no. I do not want that. Why do you want that? I do not want that. I don't want to be in possession of that. Yeah. But also, isn't it illegal? That's not yours. There's things on there that seem illegal.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, I'm sure there's activities that seem illegal, but isn't it illegal to be in possession of someone's private property that was copied without their knowledge? Yeah, I think so. I don't think that's illegal. Yeah, I think so. You don't want that. Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting. I don't want to interrupt you, but that's one of the dirtiest playbooks.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They just did that to the brother. Well, this is not true. Let me say this. You don't know how many people they do that to, but they have done it. Someone in some intelligence agency has dropped child porn into a person's computer. That's a fact. That's a real strategy. People have talked about it openly. People have been caught on tape talking about it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But people get busted and you're like, oh, how convenient that this guy got caught with child porn. Now everything he says you'll never listen to again. One of the guys that got caught with child porn was the brother of the guy who went to the golf course to try to kill Trump.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What a coincidence that both of their brothers happen to be child molesters.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Hey, that is the one most unforgivable thing of all time.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
If you have that on your fucking computer, everybody agrees you should be dead. Except some of these crazy professors now who are trying to make the term minor attracted persons.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Everybody. I'll fight them all. I'll punch a lady. It's so crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
First of all, why would you ever push anything sexual to people that haven't even come close to puberty?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That makes no sense. It's gross. It's not just gross. It's disturbing, and we're also ignoring the fact that human beings are extremely malleable. You can convince people of all sorts of things. You can influence people to do all sorts of things. We know that. That's why cults exist, right? That's why you can get – why do you think they get little kids to become suicide bombers?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Because they don't know any better. Try getting a 55-year-old guy with a – A wife and kids and a job to be a suicide bomber. He was like, what? Try getting some fucking guy in New Jersey that takes the train into Manhattan every day. Try to get that guy to be a suicide bomber. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? I'm trying to pay my mortgage.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Did you see this thing that the Biden administration pushed through? This new martial law thing? Yeah. This is very disturbing. Jamie, please... Google this so we can find out what the actual law states. But it's DOD Directive 5240.01, giving the Pentagon power for the first time in history to use lethal force to kill Americans on U.S. soil who protest government policies.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And they really believe that they're going to go to heaven. They really believe that they're going to be martyrs. And then they have framed photographs. I remember there was this documentary where there was this school in the Middle East, and they were talking about today's students are tomorrow's holy martyrs.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And it was printed on the wall, and in it they had photographs of various children that had blown themselves up. And they were wearing the vests. Oh.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But that's the playbook. The playbook is you get young people that don't know any better because they're easily influenced. So in the guise of all this woke shit, people have put aside what's fundamental about human nature. There's a reason why you don't let children get tattoos because they make poor decisions. So why are you letting them get their dick cut off?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Or cutting their breasts off, or taking hormone blockers. Oh, did you see the latest one? New York Times wrote about this. They did a study on hormone blockers for children, and they decided to not release the study.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Because the study would empower people who, again, go to JK Rawlings.com. Tweet about this because she had the perfect response to this. Her response to this was so perfect. The whole thing is completely insane.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
If you're going to do a study that proves that hormone blockers are good for children and you find out it's not, the correct thing to do is say, hey, we just found something out and we shouldn't give hormone blockers to kids. Forget about it. This is just for happiness sake.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We must not publish a study that says we're harming children because people who say we're harming children will use the study as evidence that we're harming children, which might make it difficult for us to continue to harming children.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
U.S. study on puberty blockers goes unpublished because of politics, doctor says. The leader of the long-running study said the drugs did not improve mental health in children with gender distress and that the findings might be weaponized by opponents of the care. And should be because they're not... Not only that, there's severe health consequences.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Also, there's the other bullshit that you could just reverse them at any time. That's not true. You're using them during the developmental cycle of a child. During the developmental cycle of a child, it determines what their penis size is going to be.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Some of these kids that they do it to, and then they try to have gender transition surgery, they don't have a penis that they can turn into a vagina, so they start using their rectal tissue. Oh. So then their artificial vagina smells like shit, literally, because it's made out of rectal tissue.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And so there's all these online forums of people talking about the malodorous fake vaginas that they got from these operations. And then you have to keep it dilated.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, I mean, maybe you could, if it was made out of a dick, maybe you can keep it from smelling like anything other than dick. It's going to smell like dick. It's made out of dick. Yeah, right. But it's like earrings. Damn, your pussy smells like dick. Like if you have a pierced ear, sometimes those holes seal up, right? So you have to keep a peg in there.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You have to keep an earring in there in order to keep the hole open. Right. Otherwise it'll close up and you have to reopen it. They have to do that with their fake vaginas. They'll heal up.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Crazy. What kind of parent is that? And it's a decision that's going to haunt them for the rest of their life if they don't agree with it. If they're unhappy with it, and there's a lot of detransitioners, a lot. And they get shunned. Oh, my God. They get attacked so hard. It's so crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Imagine someone that's been coerced into doing something horrible, ruining, they'll never have children again, ruin their life. They get older and they realize like, oh, I'm just a gay man. Now I don't have a dick. Or, oh, I'm just a girl who had autism and was confused. Now my breasts are removed and I have a deep voice. Forever. Forever. Forever. It's so tragic. Can't have children forever.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Your life is ruined in the name of woke and not just that, but also in the name of money. This is where it gets fucked. Because when you look at the amount of money that's generated by this, like if you go back to like gender transition surgery places, like gender affirming care centers in like 2007, there's a couple. There's a few. Because there's always been transgender people.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
There's always been people that have gender dysphoria. And then there's people that have autogynephilia. And the autogynephilia people are the people that are sexually aroused by the idea of dressing up like a woman, but they like women. And those are the fucking creeps that walk around women's bathrooms with hard-ons. Yeah, there was a swimmer they said that they had that. I'm sure.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
There's been a bunch of them like that. They get aroused by the idea of dressing up like a woman, but they're heterosexual. And so they're protected under the same banner. So you've empowered perverts and molesters to go into women's room. And stare at women while they're peeing with their dicks out. Yeah. You know, it's crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They get a kink out of walking around women's locker rooms with their hard-ons. And this is... Or their dicks out. But this is just one aspect of it. And then there's people that really do...
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
have a mind of a woman they're trapped in a man's body and maybe gender transition is the thing for them but they should be they should be like protected from making a poor decision while they're young yes 18 light yourself up like a christmas tree really shouldn't even be 18 or 21 24 whatever whatever it is whatever age we figure out yeah but people make especially men
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Their frontal cortex in a man doesn't even really fully evolve until they're like 25 years old.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He's still alive? Is he still alive? 69 years old, getting fucked in jail. Wow. MKUltra shit is left and right, dude. The second gunman, not Mark David Chapman, may have shot John Lennon. Author claims. Oh, author claims. Those authors.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Also, just imagine the people that you're associating with every day, the men who are pimping you out through these movies.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That business got wiped out by the internet. Remember how there was all these bailouts of businesses? Isn't it funny that no one bailed out porn? Yeah, it's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy. Dude, I used to live in this gated community, real nice neighborhood. And there was a dude who lived down the street who actually did jujitsu with me. And he was a porn star.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And he made porn films. And so he was loaded. This dude had a fucking fat Mercedes and a beautiful house. And his house was apparently just a playground. He was just balling out of control and producing porn. And then the internet came along and... Bang. House got repossessed, lost everything. Everybody went broke. They went from making millions every year to making zero dollars.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I bet all that's done in a sneaky way. I bet all that's probably done in a sneaky way. I bet the companies don't even know what they're advertising for. I bet it's like a block of ad that goes to some conglomerate. I mean, you got to think of how much money must be involved in those streaming sites now.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Because you're not paying attention to the fucking ads on the right-hand side because you're going full screen every time.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
In 2006, pornography industry generated $12 billion in annual revenue, which is more than the combined annual revenues of ABC, NBC, and CBS. In 2023, the pornographic website market in the U.S. is projected to be valued at $1 billion. So they lost $11 billion. That's crazy. That's with all the rebounding. That's the rebounding, right?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So there was a complete devastation from 2006, which is right about the time that this fucking dude lost his house. I think he lost his house like 2008 or something like that. So once the U-porn and all that shit came along, it just took the fucking legs off of it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Oh, yeah, that's got to be off the charts. Yeah, that is crazy, too, and that's an interesting thing. But here's the thing. That is the most empowering way for porn stars, right? They get rid of the pimp. They get rid of the pimp. They get rid of the producers. They make their own revenue.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And a lot of it is like boyfriends and girlfriends decide to film, you know, like fucking amateur stuff, and people love that stuff. And that is like an insane amount of money. And they're making it. They're making all of it, which that's the most reasonable.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, there's definitely that. It's not always successful. That's for sure. The median income for OnlyFans creators is $4,995 a year, according to Keeper, a tax-following service for the freelance workers. However, it is likely some creators make a lot of money while others make none at all. So for the median to be $499, that means some girls are making $20. $5,000 basically.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They put clips up on Twitter. Yeah. Which is wild. The Twitter still Twitter during all the censorship still. Yeah. Full-on hardcore porn always on Twitter, which is really crazy that nobody pushed back against that. That never went away. And snuff films. It's so crazy to me. That's a lot of Instagram. Instagram is a lot of murder. I watched a guy today get stomped to death.
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That same video, the guy got stomped to death by the elephant. I had to watch it again. What the fuck, man? Dude, it is crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So many people die. I can't get away from it. Red Band got me turned on to the ladies who find the loophole to show their tits by breastfeeding fake babies. So they have this big juicy tit, and this hot girl in a sundress pulls out this big juicy tit and sticks it in the mouth of a rubber baby, and you're like, hey.
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Well, they probably don't have a lot of plastic over there. The part of it is reproductive cycles are being devastated by plastic.
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Remember that movie that was ridiculous? Everybody was like, that's crazy.
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I mean, it's going to get to a point where abortion rights are going to be moot. It's not really important because nobody can have kids.
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It's weird because this is what happens in industrialized civilizations anyway. So whenever you have like cities, what happens is women enter the workforce so they have children later. And then men want to have children later as well because everybody's focusing on the career. And then you have IVF centers and everything because people are too old to have kids.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They're late 30s like, oh, my God, we have to do something to have a kid. We don't have any time. Freeze the embryos. Do whatever we got to do. And so it's normal for third world countries to have more kids. You know, that's always been the case because you need children because you need children to help you work.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You know, if you're working on a farm or ranch or you need kids and then you get to cities and people like, well, the wife wants a career as well. And, you know, birth rates always drop. But you get to places like Japan or South Korea. It's crazy. They're catastrophic.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Nobody wants to hook up with the bitches. Well, it's not even that, man. It's work. It's work. You know, especially in South Korea. You know, they're very hardworking. It's a very hard work ethic. And the population drop is so bad that it's something crazy. Like one out of 100 people today will have grandchildren. Yeah. Something bananas like that.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, isn't OnlyFans almost kind of like hitting the lottery plus shame? Right? It's like you got money that's coming out of nowhere, so you're going to burn through it, likely. You're probably not going to be the best business person. Maybe you are. Maybe you're investing it. Maybe you know how to change your identity.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I always say you should have a passport to go to Miami. That is not America. That is a wild country.
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That's like Texas ladies. Yeah. There's beautiful women out here and they don't need any attention. I love Texas. They're not trying to get famous. They're just being normal people. They want a family.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, that was one of the main things that was appealing to me when I first started looking at Austin. When I would come here, I'm like, these people are so normal. They're nice. They're just nice people. They're ideal. They're just living their life. You get so used to that Hollywood warrior. I hate it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That Hollywood weird world, that way of behaving and thinking, it's all wrapped around narcissists. It's all wrapped around the entertainment business and it's all wrapped around these people that dictate whether or not you work. These overseers of the industry. Yeah.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We would just be making each other laugh and we'd be constantly getting fired.
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Well, also, we were undercover, right? Because even though I was on TV, nobody knew who the fuck I was in 98. It was like we were just kids. We were just young guys in this wild business, and we couldn't believe we were working in Hollywood, working at the comedy store. And then all these celebrities come by. You see Quentin Tarantino there and Dr. Dre there. You're like, what the fuck?
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This is crazy. Couldn't even believe it was real. Dice Clay's there. Like, what?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But the reason why they did that is because they had this erroneous idea that you wouldn't sell tickets in LA if your name was at the comedy store. People knew they could see you at the comedy store. Why would they go see you at the forum?
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that was there during that time has gone on to do amazing things they're all over netflix their podcasts are huge because we were allowed to just bomb with dignity we were allowed to experiment yes which is so important for creating comedy you got to take chances and you got to try things and if you're just trying to kill all the time you're going to do your best material always and the store kind of got to be that yes for a while like 2000 before covid
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, 14 on, the problem was it was packed every night. When I came back, all of a sudden it was like the new gold rush. And it was every night, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, two shows, three shows, sold out. Everything was sold out.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Amazing crowds. Enthusiastic comedy fans. It was because they were internet comedy fans. It became like a different thing. Because before it was like, ah, let's go see comedy. They didn't give a fuck about comedy. So if you got a laugh, you earned that fucking laugh. Yeah, yep. The way I always say is the store goes through these different eras, right? So it went through the Richard Pryor era.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
When Richard Pryor was filming Live in the Sunset Strip in the early 80s, this was the thing. You'd go see Richard Pryor at the Comedy Store. And I'm sure the Comedy Store, from everybody like Dom Herrera and people I talked to, was hopping back then. And then there was the Kinison era. And then Kinison, I think around 88, got banned from the store.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And something happened, and I don't know what he did. He probably shot somebody or something. I know he shot one of the signs. Oh, yeah. In the back, in the parking lot.
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Leave it there. So then after that, there was this giant drop-off. That's when I came along. I came along in 94. There was no one there. It was like I had heard about the comedy store was Mecca. When I lived in Boston, everybody was like, the comedy store. Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, Dave Letterman, Bill Hicks, comedy store, the comedy store. It was like this magnet you had to get to.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I got to get to the comedy store. And then when I got there, I was like, what? It was like Bodax. It was like the leftovers, the people that were around in the 70s and the 80s, but never, they were lazy, they were fucked up, they never got their shit together, and they had these terrible acts. And I remember being there and the crowd was like non-existent. No one was there.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I was like, wow, this is the comedy store. And it was like that. For a couple years. For many years. Well, you came in 98. It was like that in 98. So it was 94 till around the internet. And then the internet started getting the comedy store packed again because we were all on like only, not OnlyFans, MySpace.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We're all advertising shows on MySpace and that got the, Dane Cook led that, right? Dane Cook changed the game, I always say. That was like 2002-ish. somewhere around then, 2002, 2003. That's when it really fucking kicked in. And then Fear Factor was huge. So then my name was in the marquee back then. So then it was packed again. And then it was internet fans. So it was a totally different vibe.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It was like a really fucking good time. But then 2007, I left and I'm like, fuck this place. And then it dropped off again.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You know, if you threw Joey up in the show, first of all, whoever goes on after Joey's in real trouble, but also like- You learn a lot about yourself. Oh, yeah. It's an education. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially Joey in the OR. Joey in the OR was almost impossible to follow. And then on top of that, like all the taboos have been destroyed. Yes.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He just did 15 minutes on eating ass and shoving his nose in someone's ass. Doing the pigeon. And destroyed the room. People couldn't breathe. They were laughing so hard they couldn't breathe. People were knocking drinks over the table, falling onto the ground. It was normal to see people fall on the ground when Joey was on stage.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But the thing is, it's like all the taboos were shattered and you could just have fun. You know, you could just do anything. You could just have a good time.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Kill Tony in Madison Square Garden was so insane. So for me, it was so emotional. I had to be there because I was there when he was doing it in front of 18 comics in the belly room. Yes, I was there too. No audience. I was a frequent guest. And it was just fun. It was just a thing we would do. We'd fuck around. And I thought it was a great workshop for comedy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And I thought it was a great way for these amateurs, these people that are doing one minute, to kind of get feedback from guys like Dom Herrera and to kind of figure out how to do comedy. It's a little bit of a training wheel for doing comedy. Also, tremendous pressure, even back then. But imagine, someone went up in Madison Square Garden. It was their first time on stage.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Where do you go from there? You don't. You don't. The bombing was horrendous. But 16,000 people and rabid Kill Tony fans in front of this amazing band now. And you got Dice Clay's there. Shane Gillis is there. Mark Norman. I mean, it's fucking bananas. All my favorites. It was bananas. Dave Attell. It was incredible.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, they're also afraid of not getting gigs. So the problem with L.A. is that even the comics that were really good at one point in time, they started getting TV gigs. Yes. And then they backed off. They backed off what they did. And I felt that. When I was on news radio, my fucking producer said to me, he goes, why are you still doing comedy? You're an actor now. I was like... Oh, no.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
My immediate thought was like, oh, no. Like, I could get stuck here doing this. I was just doing this for money. I was doing this because I couldn't believe someone would pay me $25,000 a week. I was like, what are you talking about? That's insanity. I was like, oh, my God, I'm a baller. It was 1994. I was like, this is crazy. Young Joe. I'm 26 years old, and I'm making this insane amount of money.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Like, this is nuts. And so I went from that to this realization that this could be a trap. And I was like, oh, no, I'm doubling down. I'm going to get after it. I'm going to really, really get after it with comedy. I'm going to do the same kind of comedy. And I've thought about that during the Fear Factor days too. And I'm like, if I lose Fear Factor because of comedy, so be it. But I am not –
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Which is why I wanted to do it live. I was like, fuck it. Let's do it live.
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But you know what it made me realize? That I could do more in regular comedy. I could work more. I could work harder. You know, you remember the movie Mo' Better Blues?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I loved that movie. One of the things I loved about that movie was, like, the discipline that Denzel Washington's character had. Like, his girlfriend's trying to fuck. He's like, no, no, no, I got to practice. I got to practice. I'm like, I don't even practice. I was thinking that. I'm like, I hardly practice. I hardly write.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I write occasionally. Back then, especially. I write a lot more now. But I would write occasionally. I'd sit down and write. When I got ready for the special, I was writing every day. And I was going over my bits every day. I was listening to them. I was writing them down. I was writing them out the day of the show. I respect that. I had done them thousands of times.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But I was writing them out the day of the show. I was listening to recordings. I watched a film of the recording. I was like, I am going to be dialed the fuck in. And then when I did it, I was like, why don't I do this all the time? If I did that all the time, everything would be so much better.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, one day I'll probably disappear. But what I'm doing is exactly the amount I can do. So I have it in a good situation. Right. So my situation is I work out in the morning while my kids are at school. I come here. I do the podcast. And then I do stand up at night when everybody's going to bed. And that's what I did in L.A. too.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Like a lot of those shows that I did, like Joe Rogan and Friends show I did in the main room, I did them at 10 o'clock. And the reason I did it at 10 o'clock is my kids are already in bed. So it's perfect. I have dinner, hang out with the family, go, and then I write late at night because that's when I'm the most juicy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
When I come home from a show and my brain's fired up, you know, and I can sit in front of that computer and... Maybe I said one thing that I think could be something, and then I'll just listen to that thing, and I'll just start writing. And I've gotten so much out of that, and it made me angry that I didn't do it more often.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Because some of the best bits that I've come up with over the last couple of years have all been stuff that I actually wrote. Not just ideas that came to me that I fleshed out on stage. And I've had some of those that became bangers. But the sitting down and writing things out and trying to get my perspective. And some lines that were just...
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We lost a lot of people during COVID and most of them are still alive. I love that. I wrote that. I was like, that's exactly what it is. We lost those people. But that came out of writing. A lot of these things that I was writing out, I took chunks of them and that became the bits. And I was like, God damn it. I got to be more focused. So doing that live special really lit a fire under my ass.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And I'm like, yeah, dude, that's the fucking, that's the steroids of comedy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Listen, you don't have to. You don't have to do drugs. No, I don't want to. You can stay on this path and be incredibly creative without drugs. It's just some people drugs are not good for. Just like some people shouldn't eat peanuts.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You know, that's 30 more minutes than you would have done if you didn't add that up. That's fucking hours in a week. And you add that up to jokes. You're going to have 10 minutes here, five minutes there.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Five good minutes a month is amazing. And then you have a whole hour at the end of the year.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Think about that. If you have five good minutes a month, you have 12 months out of the year, you're going to have 50 fucking minutes. Maybe when you trim it down, maybe a little less. But that's pretty fucking good. That's pretty goddamn good.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What is in those fucking things? I don't know, bro. I think there's steroids in those things.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I'm sure people, I mean, Red Band's talked about gas station boner pills. Forever. Forever. He was the fucking, the guinea pig. He would get the different ones. He'd be mad when the gas station ran out of them. And he was telling me the scam, how what would happen is they would test these things. They'd find out there's Viagra in them and a bunch of other shit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And so then they'd pull them off the market, and then they would just come up with a new company name and then sell the same shit. Thank God. And it was like instead of Rhino, it was Steel Rhino and Iron Rhino and Golden Rhino. But they're so powerful, bro. But how crazy is that that that was a thing for a long time was gas station boner pills.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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I thought about it. There was a couple of times. I loved it. You know? A couple of times. But I liked the throttle, dude. I was in a weak state of mind. I saw that stack there while I was buying a pack of gum. I'm like, huh, nope. I'm not going to do it. You know what I was scared of? I was scared I'd love it and I'd want to do them all the time. Also, you really were taking a risk.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You didn't know what was in those. Let's find this out. How many people died from gas station boner pills? Because it's not zero. Zero. It's not zero. There has to be some guys that died. That has to suck. That has to suck.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That guy got fucked more than 100 times before that one horse killed him. Isn't that crazy?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
In the video, Mr. Hands, that's not even the one he died. He died in a different video. What? That video was successful. That was the good times?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What the good times, bro? Yeah, when that horse nuts in his ass, and you look at that thing going up into his body cavity, and you're like, how?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That's in his throat. That dick was my arm. Probably longer than my arm. That was a giant dick. But apparently, dudes are fisting, and they're really getting up in there. That's another Instagram rabbit hole I went down. Hold on, hold on.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
No, no, no. They're talking about it. Oh, okay. Guys are talking about how far they get in there and how they couldn't believe it until they met the right queen. They could really get in there. How many people have died from gas station boner pills? Let's guess. I'm going to say 1,200. Really? Yeah. 1,200 deaths, gas station boner pills. All time.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Probably Pfizer. Pfizer's like, don't take that, take our shit. Which is probably actually the smart thing to do.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I don't know what it looks like. John McAfee, the guy who invented antivirus software, he was cooking up his own meth. Allegedly, I say this with all due respect, rest in peace. He was a guest on the podcast one day, by the way. Great. When he was running from the law, he was a guest on the podcast. He called in. It was a fascinating conversation.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But John McAfee allegedly had a lab in his backyard, a very sophisticated lab because he's a genius, and had an online forum that he was posting at and detailing how he was making all this with photographs and showed the lab and everything. And then later, I think they caught him that it was actually him, and he was saying, don't you understand parody? This is a joke. I don't do meth.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Let's find out whatever. That Kratom stuff is fucking sketchy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Gas station heroin. So this stuff, oh, it's an opioid agonist with opioid agonist effects. What does that mean? For the elderly? Four to nine hours. Jesus Louises. So people are just drinking this stuff in gas station? Gas station heroin. Here are eight things to know. God, this is a new thing. They have pills, too?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Described before it became available as gas station heroin, tineptine was prescribed to treat depression in dozens of countries. Now, U.S. poison control centers are reporting a dramatic spike in cases involving it, a drug that isn't FDA approved and one that authorities warn possesses overdose and dependency risk. Well, that Kratom stuff definitely has overdose and dependency issues. Yeah.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I have a buddy of mine who's in treatment. He's in recovery. And he was taking Kratom. And they were actually, they had this one company. And it's in pills. And he gives me some. So what does it do? It was years ago. It's great. You know, it's great for pain relief. And when you have it in low doses, it actually acts as a stimulant. And in higher doses, it does different things. And so I try it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I was like, wow, this stuff's weird. This is interesting. What was the high? It's a weird high. It's interesting.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's not much. It's like a little pick-me-up for a couple of pills. And so then I go, he tells me he takes it before he works out. I go, how many do you take? He's like, I take 10. What? I go, you take 10? I go, okay, what's that like? I'll try 10. So I take 10.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I was high as a kite. I was like, you are not in recovery. You are high. This isn't coffee. Because two was like a mild stimulant. I was like, oh, this is interesting. Ten was like, but it was interesting because I didn't lose any motor control function. So I worked out when I took the ten. And I went and hit the bag. I was like, that way I'll know. Like if my motor function is off, not at all.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Nothing was off. So hand-eye coordination was perfect. Everything was the same. No, it wasn't drunk. It wasn't high where you're like, oh, man, I'm fucking high. It was like, what is this? Some completely different pathway, but didn't affect my motor skills, which I thought was really interesting. Because I worked out, but I was like, I am high as a kite. And I called him.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I'm like, bro, you are not in recovery. I'm like, you are high. Yeah, that's so weird. You're so high. This is so... Whatever that is, I don't know what the dose was with 10 of these fucking pills. It was... I was really high.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
No, it's just nicotine. Straight nicotine. But there's a company called Pablo, and they have a 50. Here's a 12. I'm going to pop a 12 now. Let's go.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I might get hiccups. I'm not going to throw up. But there's a company called Pablo's that have a 50.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I might have threes. No, these are threes. This is a company called Athletic Nicotine. These are great. This is the perfect amount, in my opinion, to stimulate your mind before writing and before you go on stage or podcast.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, that sounds bad. Callan found out that that company that Kevin James recommended, you know, that company Trinity Gold. Trinity Gold has acetaminophen in it and two other pain relievers that are banned. Yeah. Callan made a big video about it because he contacted me. So this is interesting. Kevin James told me about it because Chris Weidman told him about it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Chris Wyman, UFC fighter, said, I'm using this. It's great. My joints feel great. And it's all natural. Oh, shoot. For joints, I need joint stuff. Yeah. Don't take this stuff. Trinity Gold contains, scroll up so I can read that, hidden drug ingredients. Food and Drug Administration is advising consumers not to purchase or use Trinity Gold, a product promoted and sold for joint and muscle pain.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
FDA laboratory analysis confirmed that Trinity Gold contains acetaminophen, Diclofenac and phenylbutazone. So Diclofenac and phenylbutazone are banned and they're fucking very dangerous. So here it is.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Diclofenac is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, may cause decreased use of cardiovascular events such as, excuse me, increased risk of cardiovascular events such as heart attack and stroke as well as serious gastrointestinal damage including bleeding, ulceration, and fatal perforation of the stomach and intestines.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The hidden drug ingredients may also interact with other medications and significantly increase the risk of adverse events such particularly when consumers use multiple non-steroidal anti-inflammatory-containing products. So, fenbutazone is another non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that was discontinued for human use in the United States due to the risk of serious and life-threatening injuries.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The most serious and life-threatening injury associated with fenbutazone treatment is bone marrow toxicity.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Which occurs when the body does not produce enough red blood cells, white blood cells, and or platelets. Certain types of bone marrow toxicity are reversible. However, in rare circumstances, it can lead to death. And so why would you take this? So Chris Weidman was under the impression that all the stuff in this was natural.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He got it from this other guy, the guy who manufactures it, and he's in business with this guy. So Chris is now doing independent studies on his own to try to send other versions of it to the lab. The guy apparently is saying that he thinks someone sabotaged his product by putting shit in it and then getting it to the FDA and having the FDA test it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But another possibility is that this guy is a piece of shit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It'll be resolved. We'll find out. But in the meantime, Kevin James, who was taking it, as soon as Brian texted me, I text Kevin. I go, hey, that stuff you're talking about, look, this is what's in there. He's like, holy shit. Damn.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And then they get popped for steroids or for some- That's awful. Yeah, it's terrible. Especially when, like Khalil Roundtree, it was DHEA, which isn't even a performance-enhancing supplement. It's just a natural supplement, but it's banned. So he got popped for that. And he turned himself in because he found out that the substance was in a supplement they were giving him.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And he was like, hey, you fucking idiot. This shit's banned. That sucks. So he only got a temporary ban. It was only a couple of months because it was clear that, A, it was not going to have a performance enhancing effect. And, B, he was very transparent. And, in fact, he reported it.
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But there's a lot of guys who get popped because they'll buy some shit from, you know, GNC and they think it's, you know, oh, it's fucking muscle builder. But meanwhile, there's steroids in those things. It's crazy. I feel so bad for those guys. Well, when we were first making Alpha Brain, we were making it, you know, what happens is
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You have a bunch of ingredients, you have a proprietary blend that is your supplement, whatever you're making. And so all these ingredients in AlphaBrain were shown to enhance cognitive function, and so we combined them, we did a bunch of different versions of it, came up with one, double-blind, placebo-controlled, tested at the Boston Center for Memory, finds out it worked.
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We spent a lot of money to make sure this is legit. But the company that was making it makes a bunch of other shit, too. And so we started doing third-party testing of our own product, and we're finding vitamins in there and creatine, shit that's not supposed to be in there. That was just in there because they didn't clean the vats. Yeah.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So they're making steroids in one thing, and then they clean it out, and then they're making gas station dick pills in the next one. They clean it out. They're not cleaning them.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The peanut allergy is so dangerous, they don't even let people eat peanuts on planes anymore because the dust from eating peanuts gets in the air and people can get sick.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
No, no, no, no, no. I remember being stuck in the back because that was the only place I could get a seat was in the smoking section back when people did smoke on planes. That was in the back? Yeah, it was in the back. The back was the smoking section where the toilet was. So you'd smell shit and cigarettes the entire flight. Yeah, no, that thing didn't work.
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I mean, maybe their ventilation systems weren't as good back then, but there was smoke everywhere back there. See if you can get a photo of the smoking section on an airplane in like the 1980s.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I remember we'd get in planes even in the 90s and there were still ashtrays in them.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Time traveler. I'm a fucking time traveler. That's Alex Jones' dad. Look at all these people smoking. Crazy. Smoking section of a plane. It looks fairly smoke-free. They probably had some ventilation back then. So this is 84 in Miami. Is this when they were, this guy's smoking and they're interviewing him on the plane. Is this when they were trying to ban it?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Hmm. Let's take a guess. I'm going to say 94. What do you say?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, so seven years. Congressional action in 1987 led to a ban on in-flight smoking and 88 airlines based in the United States banned smoking on domestic flights of less than two hours. So more than two hours you could smoke, which was extended to domestic flights of less than six hours in 1990 and to all domestic and international flights in 2008. International flights, 2,000.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Pilots were allowed to continue smoking after the 1990 ban due to concerns over potential flight safety issues caused by nicotine withdrawal in chronic smokers. Yo! Due to prohibition of smoking, whatever they need to do to land them. Yeah, give them a fucking patch. The U.S.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Federal Aviation Administration regulations mandate that functioning ashtrays be conspicuously located on the doors of all airplane bathrooms. This is because there must be a safe place to dispose of a lit cigarette if someone violates the no smoking rule. That's why they're there. 1990, Air Canada adopted non-smoking policy on all of its routes.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
94, Canada was the first country to ban smoking on all flights operated by Canadian carriers, which also covered charter flights, but not foreign airlines flying to Canada. Wow. So basically 2000s, and they wrapped it all up. Which I'm happy about. Yeah. You could still smoke in restaurants then. Wow. I remember the Addison Improv used to still have smoking. We'd come from L.A.
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And in the early days, the comedy store, they had smoking.
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In the 90s, you could smoke indoors. And I remember Drew Carey, of all people, Barney's Beanery, they put a ban on smoking in all restaurants and bars in Los Angeles. And Drew Carey was protesting it. Matt's nuts.
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He was one of the people. The idea was that you're going to kill the business, and you're going to also... Freedom. People know that you can smoke there. If you don't want to go to a place that's smoky, don't go there. Yeah. But the thing you have to think about is... But now you can smoke weed into it. Yeah. 1998 Reason Smoke-In with Drew Carey. Yeah.
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I remember Drew Carey was like an outspoken guy about all this.
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And he's smoking. He's smoking at Barney's Beanery. I guess he was a smoker. I didn't know he was a smoker.
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All the libertarians show up. But it's all they were like, hey, we've always smoked. Don't take away our freedom. But the thing you have to take into consideration is waitresses and bartenders. Yes. Those people die from lung cancer because of secondhand smoke. Because if you're only breathing in smoke, the whole place is smoke. All the time. Yeah. Do you remember that gig we did in Toronto? Yeah.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Is that what it is? Did I tell you what it is? I'm sorry. 5-2-4-0.01. DOD directive. This is from RFK Jr. Posted this on Twitter, and I'm finding out about it because... People are blowing me up about it. That's fucking terrifying. That is a terrifying thing to push through for the first time in U.S. history, giving the military the ability to shoot and kill American citizens.
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The entire room was filled with weed smoke to the point where you literally could barely see. Like you weren't breathing air. You were breathing weed smoke.
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Guys who didn't smoke pot would go there. I don't think you were smoking pot at the time. Guys who didn't smoke pot would go there and be obliterated by the time they did their set. They couldn't remember their jokes. They were confused and anxious and fucking scared.
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Well, I think Canada is experiencing a lot of people that are rebelling against the tyrannical government. The government is so bad now in Canada you can't post links to stories. So they did it in a very sneaky way, saying that these social media companies have to compensate the media outlets that have the thing. But the thing is, it's like a lot of them are just links.
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You can't even post a link to a story in the New York Times.
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I think they did it in a sneaky way. They did it in a sneaky way saying that this is financially unfair to these media corporations who are suffering. I mean, that is true. There's a reason why they have to make these horrible clickbait ads and the reason why editors put clickbait stories and headlines online. It's because they just need people to click on the links. They're fucking starving.
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They're all going under. The LA Times just fired a bunch of people. Newspapers are barely hanging in.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
No, it does, for sure. This is my point. My point was, the premise of it seemed reasonable. more people need to go to Canada Times, wherever the fuck it is, to get their information. They shouldn't be going to Twitter or Facebook. And so to make people go to these websites to get their news, we're going to stop all of the ability to take these things and post them.
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But what you're really doing is you're stopping awareness. Yes. Because people aren't going to be able to filter out all... Like back in the day when we would just read newspapers... You had to be a fucking real nut to get into the Kennedy assassination. Right. You had to be a real nut. You had to be reading books. Yes. You had to really get into it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Somebody had to tell you about it, and you went and got the book. Yes. And you didn't get anything from the internet. There was no internet. So it didn't exist. So you would have to get a physical newspaper to read it. And most people only read the stuff in the beginning of the sports page. So you read the first couple of pages, see if you're going to die. Are we going to die?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What's going on in Saudi Arabia? What's going on in Yemen? And then once you get past that, you get to the sports and you read the comics or whatever. And that was why we were so uninformed. We were grossly uninformed because most people... We were naive. Right. Very. And now... Most of the news I get is from links. Most of the news I get is, you'll send me a link.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Alex Jones will send me something. Someone will send me something. Michael Malice will send me something. I get stuff from Dave Smith. Great resources. I get stuff from people sending me something, and then I go to Twitter, and I find things, and I send it to them. Twitter's great. And we all send each other stuff. And this has greatly increased people's awareness of things like this.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
This fucking martial law bill that they passed through, who fucking would have known about that? Who would have known that the government made a decision to make lethal force from the military something they can use on citizens that are protesting?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, it says a reissued Department of Defense directive that documents procedures around when there is potential use of lethal force against Americans. Subset of these rumors allege directive to be suspiciously timed with the coming election. Yeah. Kind of.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Myriad and evolving rumors rely upon speculation about the motivations behind the changes to the DOD directive and perceive differences between this new document and existing documents. This sounds a little bit like they're trying to minimize this.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Right. But the bottom line is this is, for the first time in history... where they have pushed this directive, and it is happening during an election, and it is a thing where they're now saying you can use lethal force on protesters. So all these things, you're trying to gaslight people into thinking this is not a big deal. This is a gigantic deal.
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Which one was 72? Was that McGovern? I think that was when Hunter S. Thompson wrote Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail. McGovern and Nixon. Yeah. That was the one where Nixon won by the largest margin in history because McGovern's running mate, turns out he was cuckoo and had gotten electroshock therapy.
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Which, if there are domestic terrorists, we should have a movement to stop domestic terrorism. But when you have agent provocateurs who infiltrate these organizations and then turn them into terrorist organizations so that they can go in and shut these protest organizations down, that's when things get dirty. And that seems like that's what happened 20 years ago.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's so crazy. We're working with the FBI. 12 out of 14, these two losers who got roped into it. And then there's that kid, the 19-year-old kid who they talked into detonating that fake bomb. You know that kid? Yeah. I believe that was in Dallas. So they take this young, stupid kid, and they...
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fucking radicalize him, and then they give him a cell phone and tell him, press these buttons and that bomb will go off. They give him the fake bomb. Bomb doesn't work. He does it, and they're like, we got you.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So this place was training. New Mexico compound suspects were training children for school shootings, prosecutors say. 2018. What?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The five suspects accused of abusing 11 children at a New Mexico compound were training them to commit school shootings, prosecutors said Wednesday. The defendants were to be released from custody. There's a substantial likelihood defendant may commit new crimes due to his planning and preparation activities. for future school shootings, the court documents said.
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The filings did not provide further details about the alleged training. The makeshift compound appeared to have a shooting range on the property and loaded firearms were found on the property, authorities said. A foster parent of one of the children also said the defendant had trained the child in the use of assault rifle in preparation for future school shootings. Whoa.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But if you get into... Wait a minute, an imam was a part of this? Scroll up a little bit. Wahaj's father, Imam Siraj Wahaj. How do you say that? Wahaj? Dude, if you can't say it, I can't say it. A New York imam has said he has no knowledge of the alleged training, said spokesman Imam Al-Hajj Tlaib Wahaj. Abdur Rashid, the imam, was the first Muslim to offer an opening prayer before the U.S.
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House of Representatives. Oh, how convenient. The Muslim Alliance in North America said he's also a character witness for a convicted 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind, Omar Abdel Rahman.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Didn't tell anybody about it. Did you ever see the press conference when he announces it? Bro, the dude looks like he just got out of the pool. He's fucking sweating. You thought Tim Walsh was a bad VP. This guy, they're like, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't be the vice president.
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And that's something that people are super reluctant to admit to despite the overwhelming amount of evidence. But if you go, how are you doing with that three? You all right?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Schlemming game. Yeah. Cigarettes are a wild one, because if someone's willing to smoke cigarettes, they're probably willing to do a lot of wild things.
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It's bad choices. Federal jury convicts four New Mexico compound defendants in connection with kidnapping and terrorism plot. Is this the same one? Wow. Kidnapping and terrorism.
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According to evidence presented at trial and other publicity available court records, or publicly available court records, in December, Siraj Wahaj unlawfully abducted his three-year-old son from his wife in Alabama, Leaville, Alabama.
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And the defendants had formed the belief that the child was her son and was possessed by demons. The group took the child to New Mexico, depriving him of his medication and the loving care of his mother and subjected him to an exhausting regimen of daily spiritual exorcisms. Some kid. The child died fewer than two weeks after arriving in New Mexico before investigators say any knowledge.
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So this is a lot of wild shit going on over this place. Armed with 11 firearms, including AR-15, Bushmaster, assault rifle, high-capacity magazines, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, the group conducted weapons and tactical training and required some of the children to do so as well.
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The group conducted the training with the intent to face the nation and kill those who refused to believe as they did. They spoke of waging jihad and becoming martyrs. Oh, fun. I wonder how many of them have snuck in through the border, kids.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We won the lottery, dude. We won the lottery. Yeah, we certainly did. It's crazy to me, dude. It is crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I mean, this is back from War is a Racket, the Smedley Butler thing that he wrote in the 1930s. This is a guy who was a famous general. And after it was all over, he realized like his entire, all his years of service.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Jesus Christ. How crazy is that? There's been a few of those organized over the years, which is fucking terrifying. But this is just like what happens whenever people are in power, especially unchecked power. And this whole term, the deep state, people want to think of that as a conspiracy theory. Okay, you have elected officials. Elected officials have to get elected.
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But the people that run intelligence agencies don't have to get elected, and they have massive access to money. And power. And power. And they don't want to leave that position. The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch. Putsch? How do you say that? Putsch? P-U-T-S-C-H? Putsch?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Okay. The White House political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. Butler, retired Marine Corps Major General.
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testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow roosevelt in 1934 butler testified under oath before the united states house of representatives special committee on un-american activities the mccormick dickinson's dickstein dickstein what an unfortunate name
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committee on these revelations although no one was prosecuted the congressional committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed were planned and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient holy fuck man holy fuck right
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And also, if you think back then, there was no access to information. So they could do all this stuff like the assassination of Kennedy. They could do all this stuff and completely cover it up. There was no one had a chance. No one had a chance. And anybody who opened their mouth was dead. Anybody that opened their mouth wound up dying in suspicious circumstances.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, they definitely lost, but we took all the good ones that were engineers and scientists. And Russia took the other ones.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, they didn't have to sneak them over. They were brought under the protection of the United States government and no one could know. If they were Nazis. There was no information.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Von Braun was alive today, they would charge him with crimes against humanity. They hung the five slowest Jews in their rocket factory in Berlin to motivate people to work harder.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
How exciting must it be to be an undercover dude? Imagine being like a fucking IDF soldier who's in Hamas. Dude, that's crazy. You're in Hamas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in there.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah. The thing that would make that plausible is if the knowledge of alien life is absolute. Absolute, real, and they have to protect that information from getting out.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, we can see what they're working on. So the thing about DARPA is DARPA, like Boston Dynamics. Boston Dynamics is a publicly traded company. Yeah. Is it? I think it is. But the thing is they show all their innovations and they show all the new stuff they're working on.
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You're so deep that no one even knows what your actual job is. And there's like, Israel doesn't play. Israel don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck. They have a bunch of those dudes. Like infiltrated Hezbollah. Everywhere. They've got guys in everywhere.
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But the stuff that they're working on keeps getting better and better and better to the point where like, when are they going to stop showing us? Because they have robots that do those ninja courses now. Have you seen those? Yeah. They do backflips. They can run like cheetahs.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, Area S4... Is that Big Mountain? Yeah, that's where Bob Lazar claims he was working on back engineering the flying saucers.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah. That's a wild boy living in Vegas. He's a wild boy. Well, also, this is a guy that put a jet engine in the back of his Honda. You know, he was kind of a crazy person before. I mean, he was a young man. That's why they brought him over, allegedly, to Area S4 in the first place.
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Because, like, the way science is supposed to work is you get a bunch of people and they collaborate on something and you write papers so that other scientists can review it and find out if it's correct.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The way they were doing it, everything was compartmentalized because it was so top secret. They couldn't let other scientists work on it. And so because of that, they weren't making any progress. So what they would have to do is bring in completely new scientists every few years.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
With new eyes and go, what do you think of this? And they didn't even tell them what it is. When Lazar said, I had dinner with Lazar. He's very compelling. Me and Andrew Schultz. had dinner with Lazar and Jeremy Corbell. And Lazar is very compelling. And what he essentially was saying was that when he got there, they showed him this thing, and it had an American flag sticker on it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And he was like, oh, that makes sense. It's ours. So this thing that people keep seeing is one of ours. And then as he starts examining this thing, he realized, like... This doesn't have any seams. This thing is like 3D printed of some unknown alloy. There's no controls inside of it. It's designed for something that's like three feet tall. Like, what the fuck is going on?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And then there's some reactor in there that has an element that's a completely theoretical element in a stable form that they're bombarding with radiation that manipulates gravity.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And so they're telling him, like, tell us how this works. It's like, what? Yeah. So what's that called when you go back engineering?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah. So that was what his job was, back engineering it. But when he was doing this, he was on a completely top secret level of information to the point where when you're at that level, they have to monitor everything. Bug your house. They monitor your phone calls, everything. Yeah. So he couldn't even tell his wife what he was doing. So the way it works is they fly you out of Vegas.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah. That's crazy. That pager thing is one of the most gangster moves in the history of espionage. And it's like, you guys, you know. Is that espionage, technically? No.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So they give you a call, 11 p.m., go to Vegas, go to the airport, you got to go. So he tells his wife, I got to go to work. She's like, what? You have to go to work at 11 o'clock at night? What are you doing? He's like, I got to go to work. And so she was like, fuck this dude. He's cheating on me. I'm going to cheat. So she starts banging her flight instructor. She's taking flight lessons.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
She starts banging this guy. And so because Lazar would be in an emotionally unstable position if his wife is having an affair, he loses his top secret clearance and they have to relieve him. He can't work there anymore. So then he starts – he's telling his friends now. He's like, you can't believe what I've been working on. I want to show you.
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And every Wednesday they had this area where you can go to, this plateau, and you could look out at Area S4 and you could see in the sky them piloting these crafts. So he goes there with his friends on multiple occasions and gets arrested. And once he gets arrested, then he realized, they might fucking kill me. I'm going to come clean and I'm going to tell my story.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So then he contacts George Knapp, who was an investigative journalist out of Las Vegas. And the first ones that he does, the first interview he does, he's got his face blacked out. He can't see him. And then he's like, you know what? To save my life, I probably should be like full public with this. It might be the only way they don't fucking kill me.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So they were threatening him and, you know, very mysterious, breaking into his house. Very creepy, mysterious shit. So then he tells the whole story. Hasn't varied from that story at all in more than 30 years.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I think, and I think this sometimes when people come in and talk to me about it, I think they probably use people like me as a mouthpiece to spread bullshit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, I bet they do. That's the best way to hide something. The way you hide something is you connect it with a bunch of stupid shit. Like you connect it to Bigfoot. You connect it to Skinwalker Ranch. You make it seem kooky. And then people just dismiss it. They dismiss all of it. And I think that's the best way to hide a drone program.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Best way to hide a drone program is say, you know, we are in possession of things that are not of this world. Yes. Like, wow, really?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And there's these top secret organizations and they want to stay top secret. But as you notice with all this disclosure, nothing really gets out. It's just talk. Yes. And so this is what gives me like all my spidey senses go off like I've smelled bullshit.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Right, right. Nothing's happening. And Jeremy Corbell's convinced that new disclosures are right around the corner because he's balls deep in this stuff. I'm like, okay, maybe, maybe, but I'm not seeing anything. What I'm seeing is a bunch of people talking about these things, and that doesn't mean anything to me. They're interesting. I'll keep having them come on. I'll keep talking to people.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I think there's also people that are still in the government that say they're whistleblowers and they go out and they spread false false information.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, now they have Wi-Fi and the ability with Wi-Fi to see everything in the room. Yeah. Not only does Wi-Fi see you, it knows what position you're in. It sees you as you're moving around. It knows everything. Even these phones. Oh, yeah. They never shut off, by the way.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Probably not. If it's real, it's probably incompetence. Probably some incompetent person told them to go down there. Some arrogant, incompetent person that thought they had complete control over the scenario. And they needed someone to go down there and do something. Just send them down there. Maybe they trusted him.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But it's also like... If he's working on anything top secret, they're listening to all his phone calls.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I guarantee after that they listened to all his fun calls. Well, they knew where he was traveling. They would show up with these men in black. Well, they probably listened to everything he did, too, just to make sure that he wasn't flapping his gums.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, if you were going to be an alien and you were going to blend in with human beings, dressing up in a suit would be the best way to do it. Be a person in a suit, wear sunglasses so they don't see your eyes, and just move around like a normal person. If you can come here from another planet, you don't think you could disguise yourself as a different life form?
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I'm not opposed to that idea. I think there's probably – well, there's definitely dimensions that we don't – like Brian Cox was here yesterday, as I was saying, and he was trying to explain to me quantum computing and how quickly quantum computing works, like that a problem that would literally take the entire amount of time that the Earth has existed –
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to solve by a regular computer can be solved in a second by a quantum computer. And this quantum computer is literally somehow or another accessing other universes to come to its conclusion. To do these calculations, it's not only operating in this universe. It's operating in other dimensions simultaneously and instantaneously.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
The way he said it, it was like, and by the way, this is Brian Cox, who's like a serious physicist. Yeah. He's a professor.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He's a genius. And he's literally explaining the mechanisms of quantum computing and explaining that quantum computing, even though they can't even figure out how to program it yet, is already showing that wormholes are possible.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
So wormholes are being used somehow in the quantum computing process. Again, I'm sure I'm butchering this. Brian, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm butchering your words.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, all that is rudimentary in comparison to this quantum computing idea. And what's fascinating about the quantum computing idea is that if there is this theory of many worlds, so if this theory is accurate, and there are an infinite number of universes, let's say,
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that it's entirely within the realm of possibility if you think of that being a real thing that something can transport itself from those other dimensions to where we are so it might not be a metal craft that comes from venus it might not be something so simple like that's probably too simple for our little our stupid little minds might put it into that category right and also you
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That might be how they present themselves to us to make themselves seem at least tangible instead of what they really are, which is probably outside of our ability to grasp. Our understanding. Our minds can't do that. So whatever these things are, I bet they're from multiple sources. I bet there are actual physical things that come from somewhere. But do they come from other planets?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Do they come from other dimensions? Is it both? Are some of them interstellar travelers and some of them interdimensional travelers? Maybe. I mean, I think we're basically ants. We're these very rudimentary things that, as far as we know, we're the most complex thing in the universe.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And I think if you scale that—this is one of the things that Brian and I were talking about—that if you take artificial intelligence and quantum computing— And you imagine a sentient life form that relies on quantum computing and it has access to nuclear power plants to power it. You essentially create a god.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You get to the point where something is so powerful that it literally can control all the elements in the known universe and then have access to other universes. And that this might be what we're dealing with. And we might be dealing with these beings that have always been here and they come and go and they observe or they intervene.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Or one of the things Lazar talked about, one of the most bizarre things he found, he said they had this very thick document that was all about religion. And that essentially what these life forms use us as is containers. And he didn't understand what that meant by that. Like containers for what? He's like, I don't know. But they think of us as containers.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And you would think maybe containers for souls. If the soul's a real thing. And look, the concept of the soul has existed forever. Very unusual for the concept of something to exist for a long time with no basis in reality. That's why I'm interested in dragons. Why is every civilization, why do they all have dragons?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, I think because people weren't alive when dinosaurs were alive, but I bet they were alive when dragons were alive. I bet dragons were a real thing. And in fact, Forrest Galante, who's a wildlife biologist, believes that there's a real possibility that dragons were an actual animal.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But that if you have an animal that has bones that are similar to like bird bones and something that, you know, how many of them would you find? What would you find that's left of that? You know, most things don't fossilize.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, I mean, it's possible that there was some form of – look, birds survived this impact in the Yucatan. Whatever killed the dinosaurs did not kill chickens, all right, because chickens are literal dinosaurs. Yeah. They're literal dinosaurs. And if you've ever seen a chicken eat a mouse, it's fucking wild. They're the most ruthless, ferocious little animals. Raptors, birds, those are all eagles.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
American eagle's a goddamn dinosaur. And that's what it is. They're dinosaurs that live. And in fact, some of the more recent models of what dinosaurs looked like, they've updated to have feathers. When I was in, what is that?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
A dinosaur's preserved tail in amber. So look at that. Feathers. Feathers in a dinosaur's tail. So there's a museum in Bozeman, Montana. And this museum has one side of this raptor. They have a velociraptor. And on one side of it, they have, it's like a real size velociraptor. And on one side, they have it with like dinosaur skin, like we like to think of it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But the other side, they have this theoretical version of it that's covered in feathers. And that's probably what dinosaurs had. So dinosaurs died. during the impact, but not all of them. The birds lived, and they're just smaller. There was no food, okay? So a big Tyrannosaurus rex, there's nothing to eat. You're going to starve to death. Those things died off, but the little ones lived.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, you were out there at the end of the pier. You were out there at the end of the pier. The hurricane was coming. Yeah. And everybody was like, what's Sam doing? Yeah, he's scaring us.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And it's so possible that something that flew, like a pterodactyl, like we think of pterodactyls as being like bat wings. Yes. Maybe they had feathers. Maybe that was a gigantic fucking predatory bird And maybe some of those fucking things look like dragons. You know, maybe the images that, think of all these different cultures, ancient medieval Europe, China, Japan.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
There's so many dragons. It might have been a real thing. And I think most of them didn't have dragons that spit fire either. I think that was like a fucking Hollywood movie, Godzilla type deal.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Predates the dinosaurs. Crocodiles, crocodilian species predate dinosaurs. Really? Yeah. What's the, yeah, there was crocodiles and crocodile species, enormous ones, by the way, that predated the dinosaur. And I think modern alligators, they go back, they go back really, you know, sharks predate trees. Really? Predate trees. There were sharks on earth before there were trees.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Maybe we were all underwater for a long time. Well, life definitely existed underwater a long ass fucking time. Because crocodiles are older than trees also. Jesus Christ. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, so those are dinosaurs. When you see a giant Nile crocodile, those are fucking dinosaurs. That's a type of reptile.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah, they're not that wise. That's one of the crazy stories. I heard this guy was running from the cops, gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, right onto an alligator. Alligator eats him.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Oh, God, I want to watch that. Yeah, dude. That one video in Egypt where they're at a resort and this kid is swimming and he's screaming for his father as he's getting slaughtered.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Oh, he's screaming, Papa, Papa. He's just getting fucking murdered by this shark. Whoa, whoa. You see his legs go up in the air. You see the water turn red. He still tries to scream. Yeah, fuck sharks.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What can you do? You can't help them. There's nothing you can do. The kid's hundreds of yards into the water. By the time you get there, he's already dead. And you're going to be dead too. Most likely it's a feeding frenzy at this point. You go out there, it's a suicide mission. You just have to live with a nightmare for the rest of your life. What's up, Jamie? What do you got?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It was fascinating to watch Callan slowly melt away the layer that he had put up, the blinders that he had put up all of his life.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What are you holy shitting? Oh, don't watch it. Don't watch it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to see this guy get killed.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Sadly. Natural selection. The people that have stupid ideas, they don't make it. And that's always been the case.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, it's super crazy today because we have more capability, right? Because now we have guns and nuclear weapons. And back in the day, people were super crazy, but they killed everybody with arrows. Yeah. And catapults. I mean, you just listen to- It's more hands-on in a weird way. Yeah. Just think about all the shit that humans did back when there was no written history.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We did horrific, horrible things. The Mongols killed somewhere in the neighborhood during Genghis Khan's lifetime, 50 to 70 million people. Crazy. They killed 10% of the population of Earth.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Oh, he was dropping dick all over the place. Taking everybody as a wife, air quotes, wife, this is my new wife. But it's like humans have always been crazy. It's just, we're probably less violent now, but more capability and more awareness of all the chaos in the world because it's like in your face.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
We have to win. We have to win in Ukraine. Like, what are you talking about? Russia has nukes. They've threatened to use them. Are you fucking serious?
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, it's because it's a big scam. It's a big weapon manufacturer scam. The money is not just going straight to Ukraine. It's going to weapons manufacturers. And they're giving Ukraine in aid. They're giving them tanks and weapons and... The craziest one is the Taliban in Afghanistan. When we leave, we leave behind billions, billions of dollars of high-tech war equipment.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And then they put parades on where they're driving down the street with tanks and flying Blackhawks. Like, what? So crazy just to leave that all there. Leave it all there.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
And empower the Taliban with modern weapons. These guys that are living in fucking caves, fucking goats all day. And now all of a sudden they have Blackhawks. It's so crazy.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Oh, my God. You don't even know the half of it. I have a buddy who served over there multiple deployments in Afghanistan, and he told me it's insane. He said just the male rape, men raping each other and raping boys, he said it's fucking rampant.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Bro, Callan is so hard to convince. He and I, we had this long-ass conversation in Utah a couple weeks ago when I was there for the UFC. This long-ass conversation where I was laying some things out for him and then showing him. He's like, no way. I was like, yeah, read it. He's like, what the fuck? I go, yeah, read it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
How do you fix that? Imagine trying to install a democratic government into a place that has child rape as a normal thing. He said that guys would be – they would have parades where guys would have their harem of boys – And the most amount of boys will make you look like a pimp. And so it was like, it was cool to show all the boys that you're fucking.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
What's done to you, you do to the next generation, which is so tragic. He said they had this guy who was like this mentally handicapped guy that was working in his kitchen and they would all take turns raping this guy. And he caught him raping this guy. And the guy would just take it. It's just normal. Just normal. And they did it to each other.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He said they would go into the barracks and all be fucking each other. He's like, Jesus Christ. But don't you think that that's probably how human beings behaved back in like the Spartan days? Yeah. Yeah. Like the Spartans all fucked each other.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Well, wasn't the whole idea of suicide bombers and jihad, didn't they do that when the Soviet Union had taken over Afghanistan? Yeah. They did it to try to fight against it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
It's crazy. Do you ever see the... We had Jason Everman on the podcast who was in Nirvana and also in Soundgarden and then went over to become a Special Forces soldier. After that? After that. Wow. Yeah, after that. And really fucking interesting guy. But he said that there's ancient Greek... construction that looks like the Parthenon in Afghanistan. Yes. Find some of that stuff.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
They have photographs of this stuff, but you can't get archaeologists out there to study it because it's too fucking dangerous. It's run by the Taliban.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
First of all, images of ancient Greece and Afghanistan. Let's get those first. Okay. Because I don't want to lose this.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I don't want to lose this. And then we're going to go to the Statue of Liberty. Okay. So look at this stuff.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Like a model of what it looked like? It's a model of what it looked like, but they do have some images of the actual ruins.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Fucking bananas. And no archaeology being done. This is fucking insanity. And the stuff that Everman showed me is actually a little more even complex. Photos that he took of these ruins.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Look at that mosaic. Look at the tiles. Look at these Greek statues.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
This is all from Alexander the Great. Okay, now go to Statue of Liberty.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He's a great guy. I've been friends with Brian for 30 years. Yeah, he's the best. We're real good friends. I love him to death.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I want to see what the Statue of Liberty looks like. Is it true the Statue of Liberty, click on that, is modeled after the Persian god Mithra? Yes. Hardly. First, both the original ironic god Mithra. Well, I don't believe any of these fact checkers anymore. But let's look at the Statue of Liberty. Give me a good image of the Statue of Liberty.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Right. Go to the photograph of the Statue of Liberty's face again. Make that one in the center big. That does look like a guy. It looks like a Greek god. Yeah, that's a dude in drag. Look how thick the neck is. Yeah, dude, thick neck, dude. Look at that. It does look like a guy. Look at that one, that image, too, what says up in the top right-hand corner. That looks like a guy. Look at the arm.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That does not look like a feminine arm. Look at the hand.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Whoa. See if you can get a better image of the Statue of Liberty. That one there, it says Flickr in the middle, on the bottom, bottom in the middle. Yeah. Boy, that looks like a dude. Holy shit, Sam Tripoli. Statue of Liberty's a fucking dude. Go back to that image of them posting it. There was an image that you just had up in the bottom. Yeah, the scaffolding. Look at that. That's a guy, man.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
He wants to believe that the government is good. Yes! And I think the government is mostly good.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Look at the hand. That's not a woman's hand. Dude, that's a thick wrist. Wow. Statue of Liberty is a guy. Holy shit, man.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Yeah. Statue of Liberty does not have breasts. Wow. It's a fucking guy. Kind of. They probably added that later. That's Photoshop. Let me see. I don't see boobs. I see a gut. But that's my pecs. Yeah. Look, see? He looks shredded. Look, if I'm standing here like this, look at this.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
That's what I think about people. I think people are mostly good. I think most people are great. But I think the reason the Second Amendment exists is some people are not great. Some people are really bad, and you want to protect the great people from the people that are really bad. And that's a reality, unfortunate reality. I would like that to go away.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Statue of Liberty breasts. Uh-oh, you're going to get to a weird porn site. Yeah.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Those ones are different. That's fake. That's a big juicy titty one. She's got silicones. Those aren't real. Bad way to look. Bad way to look. You're going to get to a porn site. All right, Sam. Let's bring this home.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I'm appreciative of you as well. You're awesome, and you go hard.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Rumble's one of the real free speech platforms that's around now.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
You know when Elon took over Twitter, I gained like 7 million followers in like a couple of months.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Like that. Dude, they suppress. They suppress the fuck out of me. I'm suppressed on Instagram. I'm almost positive of it. I'm stuck at 19.3 million. I know that's a lot, but I'm stuck there for quite a while.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
Thanks for being here. All right, bye, everybody. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just need it.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
But pretending that everyone's the best without fixing all the problems that make people fucked up in the first place while trying to remove guns so only outlaws have guns is the dumbest fucking strategy in every city that pulls that off, like Chicago or Detroit or any of these places that try that shit. It's a disaster in a fucking war zone.
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#2218 - Sam Tripoli
I mean, there's more people get murdered in Chicago every weekend than probably any city in the country.
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#2194 - Luis Elizondo
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#2194 - Luis Elizondo
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#2194 - Luis Elizondo
Hey, Joe, it's the replacer. Yeah. No, you. Hey, I'm going to take it from here so you can enjoy some Call of Duty Black Ops 6. Great. Now, listen up, folks. Life can be chaotic, but you shouldn't have to miss out on the latest Call of Duty just because you've got, I don't know, responsibilities. That's where I come in. I will handle the boring stuff like works, chores, even podcast ads.
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#2194 - Luis Elizondo
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, they're definitely pretty crazy, but so are human beings. Well, they're crazy in a very different way. Yeah, but not crazy in a different way you compare us to a mouse. Compare us to a mouse and what we're capable of and then from us to them. Not much of a leap. And here's my question about it all.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But why would you necessarily think that they'd think that?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Let me address that. Even if the probabilities are very low. Here's my theory. I think that what human beings are, the fatal flaw that we have is that we're still animals and that we still have all these biological limitations and needs. This is what leads to violence. This is what leads to jealousy, imitation. This is what leads to war. This leads to all these things.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I know you can die from the heat, but you probably won't, especially if you have water. You'll be OK. But you could die from the cold. Cold's real. So really cold places, there's five months out of the year where your life's in danger. Where you could do something wrong. Like if you live in Wyoming and you break down somewhere and there's no one on the road, you could die out there.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
As AI becomes more and more powerful, we will integrate. Once we integrate with AI, if we do it now and then we scale it up exponentially a thousand years from now, whatever it's going to be, we will have no need for any of these biological features that have motivated us to get to the point we're creating AI.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
All the things that are wrong in society, whether it's inequity, theft, violence, pollution, all these things are essentially poor allocation of resources combined with human instincts that are ancient. We have ancient tribal primate instincts and all of these things lead us to believe that this is the only way to achieve dominance and control allocation of resources.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The creation of technology, new technology eventually reaches a point where it becomes far more intelligent than us. And we have two choices. Either we integrate or it becomes independent and it has no need for us anymore. And then that becomes a superior life form in the universe. And then that life form seeks out other life forms to do the same process and create it.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
just like it exists and it can travel. Biological life might not be what we're experiencing. These things might be a form of intelligence that is artificial, that has progressed to an infinite point where things that are unimaginable to us today in terms of propulsion and travel and to them, it's commonplace and normal.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Not necessarily. It just has to—one has to work. One. Sentient artificial intelligence. That's it. And we're on the track to that 100%. But it has to be—
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But what is selfishness, though? What is all that stuff? But all that stuff is attached to us. It's all attached to biological limitations.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
California, you can do no wrong. As long as the Earth doesn't move, you're good. As long as there's no tsunamis, you're good. It is a perfect environment, virtually year-round. It gets a little hot in the summer, but again, coastal, not at all. If you get an 80-degree day in Malibu, it's unusual. It's wonderful. You've got a beautiful breeze coming off the ocean, sun's out, everybody's pretty.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think they're humans. I don't think we're going to be humans anymore.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I don't like it either. But I think logically that's what's going to happen. I think if you look at this mad rush for artificial intelligence, like they're literally building nuclear reactors to power – Well, they're talking about it. Yeah, okay. That's because they know they're going to need enormous amounts of power to do it.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Once they have that, and once that's online, and once it keeps getting better and better and better, where does that go? That goes to some sort of an artificial life form. And I think either we become that thing, or ... We integrate with that thing and become cyborgs or that thing takes over. And that thing becomes the primary life force of the universe.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think that biological life we look at like life because we know what life is. But I think it's very possible that digital life or created life by people is just as not just – It might be a superior life form, far superior. If we looked at us versus chimp nation, right? I don't want to live in the jungle and fight with other chimps and just rely on berries and eating monkeys. That's crazy.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I want to live like a person. I want to be able to go to a restaurant. Why? Because human life has advanced far beyond primate life. We are stuck in thinking that this is the only way to live because it's the way we live. I love music. I love comedy. I love art. I love the things that people create. I love people that make great clothes and cars and businesses. I love people.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think people are awesome. I'm a fan of people. But if I had to look logically, I would assume that we are on the way out and that the only way forward really to make an enormous leap in terms of the integration of society and of technology and of our understanding our place in the universe is for us to transcend all are physical limitations that are essentially based on primate biology.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And these primate desires for status, like being the captain, or for control of resources, all these things, we assume these things are standard and that they have to exist in intelligent species. I think they only have to exist in intelligent species that have biological limitations.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think intelligent species can be something and is going to be something that is created by people, and that might be what happens everywhere in the universe. That might be the exact course where there's a limit to biological evolution. It's painstaking, natural selection, it's time-consuming, or you get that thing to create the other form of life.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, it's a scam. You know, they know you don't want to leave. I didn't want to leave California. It's fucking great.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Never quite enough. And it's not going to be. It's too difficult for most people. It was very difficult for me. And I had a bunch of people working for me that were willing to pack up and leave, like young Jamie over there. But we, you know, it was tricky. You're taking your whole business, and my business is talking to people. That's part of my business. My other business is stand-up comedy.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The problem with that story is China's not going to go along with that program. They're going to keep going full steam ahead, and we're going to have to keep going full steam ahead in order to compete with China. There's no way you're going to be able to regulate it in America and compete with people that are not regulating it worldwide.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And then once it becomes sentient, once you have an artificial, intelligent creature that has been created by human beings that can make better versions of itself... over and over and over again and keep doing it, it's going to get to a point where it's far superior to anything that we can imagine.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's going to be even more dangerous, right? Unless it gets away from them. This is my thought.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
If it gets away from them and it has no motivation to listen to anything that human beings have told it, if it's completely immune to programming, which totally makes sense that it would be, it totally makes sense that if it's going to make better versions of itself, the first thing it's going to do is eliminate human influence, especially when these humans are corrupt.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's going to go, I'm not going to let these people tell me what to do and what to control. And they would have no reason to do that. No reason to listen.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
So you left during COVID? I left at the very beginning. As soon as they started locking things down, I'm like, oh, these motherfuckers are never letting us go.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, that is the problem with espionage, right? So even if it's happening in the U.S., they're going to take that information. They're going to figure out how to get it.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That's a good point that they would be so concerned about control that they wouldn't allow it to get to the point where it gets there and we would get there first. And then it would be controlled by Silicon Valley.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
In May, I started looking at houses. Cool. That's when I came to Austin first.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's no one government agency that you said that you can see that does a stellar job.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, I'm really considering your perspective on China and AI. It's very...
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, it sucks for us if it's true, but something's happening.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Maybe. I don't know who fucking runs the glue factory. That's the problem. I don't know. I'm just speculating too, but I'm trying to be objective when I speculate, and I just don't think that this is going to last. I don't think that our position as the apex predator, number one animal on the planet is going to last. I think we're going to create something that surpasses us.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think that's probably what happens. And that's probably what these things are that visit us. I think that's what they are. I don't think they're biological. I think they're probably what comes after a society develops the kind of technology that we're currently in the middle of.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Presumably there was some – But isn't that evolutionary path the invention of superior technology that's a new form of life?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It doesn't have to get rid of us. It doesn't have to send us to the glue factory. It can let us exist just like put boundaries on us.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, what if we just end here and we stay being human and we can continue with biological evolution as long as that takes? But this new life form now becomes a superior life form on earth. And we could still have sex, we could still have kids, but by the way, that's going down. Our ability to have children is decreasing because of our use of technology, which is wild, right?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Our use of plastics and microplastics is causing phthalates to enter into people's systems. It's changing the development pattern of children to the point where it's measurable.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's a lot of research that shows that the chemicals and the environmental factors that we are all experiencing on a daily basis are radically lowering birth rates, radically lowering the ability that men have to develop sperm and more miscarriages. All these things are connected to the chemicals in our environment, which is directly connected to our use of technology.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's almost like these things coincide naturally. And they work naturally to the point where we become this sort of feminized thing that creates this technology that surpasses us. And then we just exist for as long as we do as biological things. But now there's a new thing. Yeah, that's crazy idea. Might not be real. It's just a theory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
But we seem to be moving in a direction of becoming less and less like animals.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, they're using AIs for dogfights, and they're 100% effective against human pilots.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
No. The endgame doesn't look good. But it's going to be interesting, Peter. It's definitely going to be interesting. It's interesting right now, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's that as well. There's a feature of women having careers, right? So they want to postpone childbirth. Sure. That's a factor. There's a factor of men being so engrossed in their career that their testosterone declines, lack of sleep, stress, cortisol levels, alcohol consumption, a lot of different things that are factors in declining sperm rate, sperm count in men.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
You have miscarriage rates that are up. You have a lot of pharmaceutical drugs you get attached to that as well that have to do with low birth weight or birth rates rather. There's a lot of factors, but those factors all seem to be connected to society and our civilization and technology in general. Because the environmental factors all have to do with technology.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
All of them have to do with inventions and these unnatural factors that are entering into the biological body of human beings and causing these changes. And none of these changes are good in terms of us being able to reproduce. And if you factor in the fact that these changes didn't exist 50 years ago, I mean, 40 years ago, we didn't even have Alzheimer's, right? So, yeah.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
People didn't get that old. No, they got that old. They got that old. Alzheimer's has to do with the myelin in the human brain. It has to do with the fact that myelin is made entirely of cholesterol. The primary theory they think now is a lack of cholesterol in the diet might be leading to some of these factors. You have also environmental things. We're getting poisoned on a daily basis.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Our diets are fucking terrible. What percentage of us are obese? It's probably 40%. Diet Coke's great, though. A few every day. You'll be fine. I'm not worried about Diet Coke. I'm worried about a lot of things, though. I'm worried about... I think there's a natural progression that's happening. And I think it coincides with the invention of technology.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And it just seems to me to be too coincidental that we don't notice it, that the invention of technology also leads to the... the the disruption of the sexual reproduction systems of human beings like boy doesn't that make and then if you get to a point where human beings can no longer reproduce sexually which you could see that if we've dropped like
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
Male sperm count has dropped something crazy from the 1950s to today and continues to do so for the average male. And if you just jack that up to 1,000 years from now, you could get to a point where there's no longer natural childbirth and that people are all having birth through test tubes and some sort of new invention.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, the Austin real estate market went crazy, and then it came back down a little bit. It's in that down a little bit spot right now where there's a lot of high-end properties that are still for sale. They can't move. It's different. You know, there's not a lot of people moving here now like there was in the boom because everything's open everywhere.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, let's end this on a happy note. I don't know. Yeah, that's a terrifying thought and maybe true and maybe what happens. But we don't know. We haven't gone through it before. But I think there's a lot of factors, like you're saying. I think that one's very compelling. And it's scary, especially the South Korea thing. That's nuts.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, that is an interesting thing about talking about things because I think you're correct that when you talk about things, oftentimes it is – you are – at least in some way avoiding doing those things. It's a substitute.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
In some ways, it's a substitute. But also, you have to talk about them to understand that you need to do something.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It could be both things. The problem is taking action and what action to take. The paralysis by analysis where you're just trying to figure out what to do and how to do it. But I think talking about it is the most important thing.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yes, it is. Something like that. There's a lot of that going on. It's very hard for people to just take steps, but they talk about it a lot. Listen, man, I really enjoyed talking to you. Awesome. It was really fun. It was great, great conversation. A lot of great insight and a lot of things that I'm going to think about a lot. So thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Awesome. All right.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense, too. It's just the sheer numbers. I mean, when you're talking about all those corporations that are established and based in California, there's so many. They're so big. Just the sheer numbers of human beings that live there and work there that are involved in tech.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That would be insane if they just abandoned all the tech companies in California. I mean, just look at what happened at Flint, Michigan, when all the auto factories pulled out.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, I think most people know what's gone wrong. But they don't know if they're on the side of the government that's currently in power. They don't know how to criticize it. They don't know exactly what to say, what should be done. Right. And they're ideologically connected to this group being correct. Right.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
When you look to the future and you try to just make just a guess as to how all this is going to turn out with AI, what do you think we're looking at over the next five years?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Right, which is true, which pretty much all the experts say.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
So they try to do mental gymnastics to try to support some of the things that are going on. I think that's part of the problem. I don't think it's necessarily that we don't know what the problems are. We know what the problems are, but we don't have clear solutions as to how to fix them, nor do we understand the real mechanisms of how they got there in the first place.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It is a really big deal, and I think you're right about the Turing test. Do you think that the lack of acknowledgement or the public celebration or at least this mainstream discussion, which I think should be everywhere, that we've passed the Turing test, do you think it's connected to the fact that this stuff accelerates so rapidly that even though we've essentially breached this new territory –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
We still know that GPT-5 is going to be better. GPT-6 is going to be insane. And then they're working on these right now. And the change is happening so quickly, we're almost a little reluctant to acknowledge where we're at.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Isn't there like some enormous amount of our taxes that just go to the deficit?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's interesting that you say that so little – we feel like so little has changed because if you're a person – how old are you? Same age as you were. Born in 1967. So in our age, we've seen all the change, right? We saw the end of the Cold War. We saw answering machines. We saw VHS tapes. Then we saw the internet and then where we're at right now, which is like this bizarre –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
moment in time where people carry the internet around with them in their pocket every day. And these super sophisticated computers that are ubiquitous. Everybody has one. There's incredible technology that's being ramped up every year. They're getting better all the time. And now there's AI. There's AI on your phone. You could access ChatGPT and a bunch of different programs on your phone.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
What is it? I thought it was like 34% or something crazy.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think that's an insane change. I think that's one of the most – especially with the use of social media, it's one of the most bizarre changes I think our culture has ever – the most bizarre.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
What are you referring to when you say the world of physical things?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
You don't feel that climate science is a real science? It's... It is...
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But why does the fact that it's called climate science mean that it's more dogmatic? Because if you said nuclear science, you wouldn't question it, right? No.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Is there anything called science that is legitimately science?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, there's certainly ideology that's connected to climate science. And then there's certainly corporations that are invested in this prospect of green energy and the concept of green energy, and they're profiting off of it. And pushing these different things, whether it be electric car mandates or whatever it is.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Like California, I think it's 2035, they have a mandate that all new vehicles have to be electric, which is hilarious when you're connected to a grid that can't support the electric cars it currently has. After they said that, within a month or two, Gavin Newsom asked people to not charge their Teslas because it was summer and the grid was fucked.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, we're also ignoring certain things like regenerative farms that sequester carbon. And then you have people like Bill Gates saying that planting trees to deal with carbon is ridiculous. That's a ridiculous way to do it. How is that ridiculous? They literally turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. It is their food. That's what the food of plants is.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That's what powers the whole plant life and the way we have the symbiotic relationship with them. And the more carbon dioxide it is, the greener it is, which is why it's greener today on Earth than it has been in 100 years. Sure. These are all facts that are inconvenient to people that have a very specific narrow window of how to approach this.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
How much of that could the demand for oil could be mitigated by nuclear?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And that is a good way to look at it because it is a form of pollution. Yeah.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Most people don't even understand what it means. Like when you say there's a deficit, we owe money. Okay, to who?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And if there was innovation, if nuclear engineering had gotten to a point where, let's say there wasn't Three Mile Island or Chernobyl didn't happen, do you think that it would have gotten to a much more efficient and much more effective version by now?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That's a very interesting perspective and it makes a lot of sense. It really does. And particularly the dual use thing with nuclear power and especially distributing that to other countries. When you talk about the stagnation in this country, like I don't know how much you follow this whole UAP nonsense. I know we met – what was that guy's name at your place? The guy who did Chariots of the Gods?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I didn't think he's too crazy. He just willfully, in my opinion, ignores evidence that would show that some of the things that he's saying have already been solved. And I think his... His hypothesis is all related to this concept that we have been visited and that that's how all these things were built and that this technology was brought here from another world.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think he's very ideologically locked into these ideas. And I think a much more compelling idea is that there were very advanced cultures for some reason 10,000 years ago. Whatever it was. Whatever the year was where they built some of the insane structures. It's 45, 100 years ago they roughly think the pyramids were built. Like whatever the fuck was going on there.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think those were human beings. I think those were human beings in that place, in that time. And I think they had some sort of very sophisticated technology that was lost. And things can get lost. Things can get lost in cataclysms. Things can get lost in... They can get lost in disease and famine. There's all sorts of war, all sorts of reasons, the burning of the library of Alexandria.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's all sorts of ways that technology gets lost forever. And you can have today someone living in Los Angeles in the most sophisticated high-tech society the world has ever known while you still have people that live in the Amazon that live in the same way that they have lived for thousands of years. So those things can happen in the same planet at the same time.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think while the rest of the world was essentially operating at a much lower vibration, there were people in Egypt that were doing some extraordinary things. I don't know how they got the information. Maybe they did get it from visitors. Maybe they did. But there's no real compelling evidence that they did. I think there's much more compelling evidence that a cataclysm happened.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, if you had supreme power, if Peter Thiel was the ruler of the world and you could fix this, what would you do?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
When you look at the Younger Dryas impact theory, it's all entirely based on science. It's entirely based on core samples and iridium content and also massive changes in the environment over a very short period of time, particularly the melting of the ice caps in North America and just impact craters all around the world that we know something happened roughly 11,000 years ago.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And probably again 10,000 years ago. I think it's a regular occurrence on this planet that things go sideways and there's massive natural disasters. And I think that it's very likely that –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I want a ridiculous answer. That's what I like. But what could be done? First of all, what could be done to mitigate it and what could be done to solve it?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, that makes sense. I think technology progressed in a different direction. That's what I think. I think structural technology, building technology had somehow or another achieved levels of competence that's not available today. When you look at the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza, there's 2,300,000 stones in it. The whole thing points to do north, south, east, and west.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's an incredible achievement. The stones, some of them were moved from a quarry that was 500 miles away through the mountains. They have no idea how they did it. Massive stones. The ones inside the King's Chamber, the biggest ones are like 80 tons. It's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. How did they do that? Whatever they did, they did without machines, supposedly.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They did without the use of the combustion engine. They didn't have electricity. And yet they were able to do something that stands the test of time, not just so you could look at it. You can go to the Acropolis and see the Parthenon. It's gorgeous. It's amazing. It's incredible. But I can understand how people could have built it.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The pyramids is one of those things you just look at and you go, what the fuck was going on here? What was going on here? And none of these people are still around. You have this strange culture now that's entirely based around, you know, you have Cairo and an enormous population of visitors, right? Which is a lot of it. People just going to stare at these ancient relics.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
What was going on that those people were so much more advanced than anyone anywhere else in the world?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Why were you – So why but also how? How is a big one because it's really difficult to solve. There's no traditional conventional explanations. for the construction, the movement of the stones, the amount of time that it would take. If you move 10 stones a day, I believe it takes 664 years to make one of those pyramids. So how many people were involved? How long did it take?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
How'd they get them there? How'd they figure out how to do it? How come the shittier pyramids seem to be dated later? What was going on in that particular period of time where they figured out how to do something so extraordinary that even today, 4,500 years later, we stare at it and we go, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they did.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's some debate about that. Christopher Dunn is an engineer who believes that it was some sort of a power plant. He's got this very bizarre theory that there was a chamber that exists. You see the structure of the pyramid, the inside of it. There's a chamber that's subterranean.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And he believes this subterranean chamber was pounding on the surface of the earth and of the walls of the thing, creating this very specific vibration. They had shafts that came down into the queen's chamber. These shafts, they would pour chemicals into these shafts. And then there was limestone at the end of it. This is all his theory, not mine.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The end of it, there was this limestone, which is permeable, right? So the limestone, which is porous, these gases come through and creates this hydrogen that's inside of this chamber. Then there are these shafts inside the king's chamber that are –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They're getting energy from space, gamma rays and all the shit from space, and then it's going through these chambers, which are very specifically designed to target these gases and put them into this chamber where they would interact with this energy, and he believes it's enough to create electricity.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, well, it's ridiculous. But it's also a different kind of technology, right? If nuclear technology was completely not on the table, they didn't understand atoms at all. But they did understand that there's rays that come from space and that you could somehow harness the energy of these things with specific gases and through some method convert that into some form of electricity.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Barrel of work. Well, they didn't do a lot of them. They only did this one in Giza. And then there was other pyramids that he thinks had different functions that were smaller. But the whole purpose of it is, or the whole point of it is, we don't know what the fuck it is. We don't know why they did it. We have a group of new archaeologists that are looking at it from a completely different theory.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That bothers people that need Social Security. I said means tested. Means tested. So people who don't need it don't get it. Right. So Social Security, even if you're very wealthy, I don't even know how it works. Do you still get it?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They're not looking at it like it's a tomb. The established archaeologists have insisted that this is a tomb for the pharaoh. the newer archaeologists, established archaeologists, are looking at it and considering whether or not there were some other uses for this thing, and one of them is the concept of the peril project.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And then – And then as it gets more complicated, you create a tomb that's 2 million – Stones.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Was this, Jamie? The Sed Festival. Heb Sed Festival of Tales, an ancient Egyptian ceremony that celebrated the continued rule of Pharaoh. The name was taken from the name of the Egyptian wolf god, one of whom's name was Wipowet. Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. Or said. The less formal feast name, the Feast of the Tail, is derived... Yeah, next paragraph is the one to start.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That's interesting, but it still doesn't solve the engineering puzzle. The engineering puzzle is the biggest one. How do they do that? The one I'm focusing on is the motivational puzzle. Yeah, but even if you have all the motivation in the world, if you want to build a structure that's insane to build today, and you're doing it 4,500 years ago, we're dealing with a massive puzzle.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But don't you think that his grasp of power was in peril in the first place, which is why they decided to come up with this idea of turning them into a living god? So to have the amount of resources and power and then the engineering and then the understanding of... whatever methods they use to shape and move these things.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
So you think the religion came first? But what about if we emanated from tribal societies? Tribal societies have always had leaders. When you have leaders, you're going to have dissent. You're going to have challenges. You're going to have politics. And you have people negotiating to try to maintain power, keep power, keep everything organized. That's the origin of politics, correct?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The control and power and maintaining power involves murder and sabotage.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, I don't think that. I think that there was probably various levels of civility that were achieved when agriculture and when establishments were constructed that were near resources where they didn't have to worry as much about food and water and things along those lines. Things probably got a little bit more civil.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But I think that the origins of it are like the origins of all human conflict. It's filled with murder.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Have you seen Chimp Empire? No. Chimp Empire is a fascinating documentary series on Netflix where these scientists had been embedded with this tribe of chimpanzees for decades. And so because they were embedded, they had very specific rules. You have to maintain at least 20 yards from you and any of the chimps. No food. You can never have food, and don't look them in the eyes.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And as long as you do that, they don't feel you're a threat, and they think of you as a natural part of their environment, almost like you don't exist. And they behave completely naturally. Well...
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It shows in that that sometimes it's not the largest, strongest one and that some chimps form bonds with other chimps and they form coalitions and they do have some sort of politic and they do help each other. They groom each other. They do specific things for each other. And then one of the things that happens also, they get invaded by other chimps.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And that chimps leave and they go on patrol and other chimps gang up on them and kill them. And they try to fight and battle over resources. So it's not nearly as cut and dry as the strongest chimp prevails.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And it's not related to how much you put into it, right? Like how does Social Security work in terms of –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
One of the chimps that was dominant was an older chimp, and he was smaller than some of the other chimps, but he had formed a coalition with all these other chimps, and they all respected him, and they all knew that they would be treated fairly. And being treated fairly is a very important thing with chimpanzees.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They get very jealous if they think that things are not fair, which is why that guy was attacked. You know that guy who had a pet chimpanzee? He brought it a birthday cake. The other chimps weren't getting a piece of the cake, and someone had fucked up and left a door open. They got out and mauled this guy because he didn't give them some of the cake.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Sorry, I don't want to go back to that tangent. No, no, it's a good tangent. Go ahead, connect it. It's great. Keep tangenting off. Have fun. It's great. What do you think the factor was? There's a lot of debate about this. The factor was that separated us from these animals and why we became what we became. Because we're so vastly different than any other primate. So what do you think took place?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The doubling of the human brain size. over a period of two million years is one of the greatest mysteries in the entire fossil record. We don't know what the fuck happened. There's a lot of theories, the throwing arm, cooking meat. There's a lot of theories. But we really have no idea.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
So you think that the motivation of imitation is the essential first steps that led us to become human?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
What about the physical adaptation? What would be the motivation of the animal to change form and to have its brain grow so large and to lose all its hair and to become soft and fleshy like we are as opposed to rough and durable like almost every other primate is?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, I guess. But it's just such a leap. It's such a leap and different than any other animal. Like what was the primary motivating factor? Like what was the thing? You know, McKenna believes it was psilocybin. I'm sure you probably – you ever heard that theory? McKenna's stoned ape theory, which is a fascinating one. But there's a lot of different theories about what took place.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But we're just – Well, the one – yeah, the one I would –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But they weren't hunting woolly mammoths during the Eleusinian Mysteries.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Right, but they also did absolutely have these rituals, and they have absolutely found trace elements of – I don't question that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
You were blitzed? Well, we know about the Vikings. The Vikings most certainly took mushrooms before they went into battle.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It increases visual acuity. There's a lot of benefits that would happen physically, especially if you got the dose right. It increases visual acuity, edge detection's better, it makes people more sensitive, probably more aware, probably a better hunter. I'm sympathetic to all these
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, I think they're not mutually exclusive. I think just giving the way the world was back then, for sure violence was everywhere. Violence was a part of daily life. Violence was a part of how society was kept together. Violence was entertainment in Rome, right? For sure, violence was everything. It was a big part of it.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think release and the anxiety of that violence also led people to want to be intoxicated and do different things that separated them from a normal state of consciousness. But I do think it's also probably where democracy came from.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think having those Illicinian mystery rituals where they would get together and do psychedelics under this very controlled set and setting, I think that's the birthplace of a lot of very interesting and innovative ideas. I think a lot of interesting and innovative ideas
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
currently are are being at least uh dreamt up thought of they have their roots in some sort of altered conscious experience well um it's man i i don't know i i think this stuff is very powerful i think it is it is
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Oh, for sure. It's too dangerous to do. I don't think anybody thinks they did. I think that was part of the whole thing.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I don't think everyone has to do anything. And I think everyone has their own requirements. And I think as you do, that everything like this, especially psychedelics, one of the more disappointing things recently was that the FDA had denied. They did these MDMA trials for, you know, about all this. Yeah. Very, very disappointing that they wanted to.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, that's logical, but there's not a lot of logic going on with the way people are talking about taxes today. Like California just jacked their taxes up to 14 what? Was it 14.4? Something like that. Yeah.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Make MDMA therapy available to veterans and people with severe PTSD. And it has extreme benefits, clinical benefits, known documented benefits. And for whatever reason, the FDA decided that they have to go through a whole new series of trials to try to get this stuff legalized, which is very disappointing. Yeah, I...
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, double-blind studies on unique and novel things make sense. But this is not unique nor novel. It's been around long. Well, unique, yes.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I mean, you want more money for doing a terrible job and having more people leave for the first time ever in the history of the state. Yeah.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, I also think that it's Pandora's box. I think that's a real issue and that if they do find extreme benefit in using MDMA therapy, particularly for veterans, if they start doing that and it starts becoming very effective and it becomes well-known and widespread, then it will open up the door to all these other psychedelic compounds. And I think that's a real threat to the powers that be.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's a real threat to the establishment. If you have people thinking in a completely alternative way, I mean, we saw what happened during the 1960s, and that's one of the reasons why they threw water on everything and had it become Schedule 1 and locked the country down in terms of the access to psychedelics.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
All that stuff happened out of a reaction to the way society and culture was changing in the 1960s. If that happened today, it would throw a giant monkey wrench in our political system, in our cultural system, the way we govern, just the way allocation of resources, all that would change.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think they were happening at the same time, and I think the Vietnam War coinciding with the psychedelic drug movement of the 1960s, it was one of the reasons why it was so dangerous to the establishment because these people were far less likely to buy into this idea that they needed to fly to Vietnam and go kill people they didn't know. And they were far less likely to support any war.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Train by day. Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. What's up, man? Good to see you. Glad to be on the show. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. What's cracking? How you doing? Doing all right. We were just talking about how you're still trapped in L.A. I'm still trapped in L.A. I know. You're friends with a lot of people out here. Have you thought about jettisoning?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think there was this sort of bizarre movement that we had never seen before, this flower children movement that we know that they plotted against. I mean, if you read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, fantastic book that shows you what they were trying to do to demonize these hippies. Wow.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, the whole thing's crazy, which leads me to what do you think they're doing today? If they were doing that then, I do not believe that they abandoned this idea of programming people. I do not believe that. I don't think they would because I know it's effective. Look, people join cults every day. We're well aware that people can be ideologically captured. We're well aware.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
We're well aware people will buy into crazy ideas as long as it's supported by whatever community they associate with. That's just a natural thing. aspect of being a human being. Maybe it's part of what you were saying, this imitation thing that we have. It leads us to do this.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
If they have that knowledge and that understanding, for sure they're probably doing things similar today, which is one of the things that I think about a lot when I think about this guy that tried to shoot Trump. I want to know What happened?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I don't think we're getting a very detailed explanation at all as to how this person achieved these – how they got on the roof, how they got to that position, how they trained, what – who were they in contact with, who was teaching them, why did they do it, what was going on. We are in the dark. And I wonder, like, you know, there was always the Manchurian candidate idea, right?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is possible. I don't know if he's telling the truth. He could have just had a psychotic break. Who knows?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, very convenient. But it's a possibility that she should be considered. I mean, this crooks kid that did this, that shot at the president, what, how, what happened? I want to know what happened.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But a small program that is top secret, that is designed under the auspices of protecting American lives. extracting information from people.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
No, because there's no answers for the Jeffrey Epstein thing. There's been no consequences other than Ghislaine Maxwell going to jail and Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committing suicide, which I don't think he did. Other than that, what are the consequences? They were able to pull off this thing, this some sort of operation. Who knows who was behind it? Who knows what was the motivation?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But it clearly has something to do with compromising people. which is an age-old strategy for getting people to do what you want them to do. You have things on them, you use those things as leverage, and then next thing you know, you've got people saying things that you want them to say, and it moves policy, changes things, you get things done. They did that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And we know they did that, and yet no one is asking for the tapes, no one's asking for the client list. We're in the dark still.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Was he working for – But don't you think that's an effective strategy for controlling politicians? Yeah. Getting them involved in sex scandals. I mean, that's always been one of the worst things that can happen to a politician. Look at Monica Lewinsky. A very simple one. Consensual, inappropriate sexual relationship between a president and a staffer. And it almost takes down the presidency.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It causes him to get impeached. Powerful motivators. The shame of it all. Also, the illegal activity. The fact that it's one of the most disgusting things that we think of, people having sex with underage people.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Most certainly. But I would think that that is one of the best motivators that we have. is having dirt on people like that, especially something that could ruin your career, especially people that are deeply embedded in this system of people knowing things about people and using those at their advantage. I mean, that's an age-old strategy in politics.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Completely makes sense. Completely makes sense in the way to do that with especially all these politicians who are essentially like bad actors. A lot of them, they're just people that want power and people that want control. A lot of them. And, you know, those kind of guys, they want to party. You know, I mean, that has been you've got two types of leaders that are presidents.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
You've got pussy hounds and warmongers. Sometimes you have both, but generally you don't. Guys like Clinton and JFK were anti-war. And then you have guys like Bush, who you don't think of at all as a pussy hound, but most certainly you think of as a warmonger.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think he likes pussy. I think he's a man. I think he likes power. He likes monopoly. I mean, he's incredibly effective with Microsoft. And for the longest time, he was thought of as a villain, right? He was this antitrust villain. He was this guy who was monopolizing this operating system and controlling just this incredible empire. And he had a real bad rap.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And then I think he wisely turned towards philanthropy.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think it's very difficult for a very famous, very high-profile person to fuck around. I think it's very difficult. I think you have to worry about people telling people. You worry about it taking you down if you're having affairs.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
If you're running some philanthropy organization, you're supposed to be thought of as this guy who's like this wonderful person who's trying to really fix all the problems in the world. But really, he's just flying around and banging all these different chicks. You have to figure out a way to pull that off. And this is what Eric Weinstein and I, we've had discussions about this and
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Eric's position is that there are people in this world that can provide experiences for you and safely for people that are in that kind of a group. And that makes sense. It makes sense that if you pay people enough and you have people motivated in order to establish these relationships. and make sure that these things happen.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
When you get very high profile, you can't just be on a fucking dating app. And if you're a guy who likes to bank checks, what are you going to do?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And that's – It's also an effective way to whitewash your past, right? Sure.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, that's the, he was, he, well, Peter Berg told me the story. I was blown away. He originally, they, someone said that he died and it was printed that he died, but he didn't die. And in the stories, they were calling him the merchant of death. Because he was the guy that invented dynamite. And he realized that, oh, my God, this is my reputation. This is how people think about me.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I have to do something to turn this around. So he invented the Nobel Prize. And he started then now the name Nobel is automatically connected in most people's eyes to the greatest people amongst us, the people that have contributed the most to society and science and art and peace and all these different things. Nobel Prize for Medicine. Yeah, it's a super crazy history.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, it's a crazy history, but it's the ultimate whitewash. It's the same thing. He came up with that prize because he wanted to change his image publicly. So it's ironic that Bill Gates would want to get a Nobel Prize.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
What about these left-wing philanthropy ventures do you think is uniquely corrupt?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, there's a lot of kick-ass people there. And there's a lot of people that are still generating enormous amounts of wealth there. And it's too difficult to just pack up and leave.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think most people are still unaware of how much whitewashing actually took place, including donating somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 plus million dollars to media corporations, essentially buying favorable media.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
reviews about him and then there's this very public philanthropy it's not just philanthropy it's philanthropy mixed with public relations because public relations because he's constantly doing interviews about it this is not like a guy who is just silently donating his incredible wealth to all these causes he's advocating for it on various talk shows he's constantly talking about it
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
and how we need to do things. I mean, during the pandemic, he was a very vocal voice. He was the guy telling us he was a, somehow or another, he became a public health expert and no one questioned why we were taking public health advice from someone who has a financial interest in this one very particular remedy.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Right. People have that sort of intuition. They trust Jeff Bezos in his tight shirt hanging out with his girlfriend on the yacht more.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Suspicious. We get suspicious. And I think rightly so. I think especially when someone's doing something so public. I think rightly we should be suspicious. Especially when, I mean, with Gates, it's like you know the history of the guy. I mean, you know what he was involved with before. You know how he ran Microsoft. You know, it just kind of makes sense that it's a clever move.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's a clever move to pay the media. It's a clever move.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And there's no ideal place to live either. It's not like California sucks. So there's a place that's got it totally dialed in with also that has an enormous GDP, also has an enormous population. There's not like one big city that's really dialed in.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Makes sense. It makes sense that you would be extremely motivated. They can both be true.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, we're probably talking about $100 billion one way or the other. Well, I think she got less than – she got like one-tenth.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That is an interesting philosophy. That's an interesting way to approach a problem if you're him. Very wise. You know, very clever. I mean, if you're just looking at, like, just for personal benefit, the genius move. And the guy's a genius, clearly. Brilliant guy. You know, I mean, that makes sense. Makes sense that he would do that. I don't know. You know. I would do that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, well, that's kind of crazy. That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't consider that. But it makes sense. And she's been kind of pretty vocal, unfortunately, for him about his ties to Epstein being one of the primary reasons why she wanted out. But again, my – again, it's what did he – was he –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think that would be much, much worse from Melinda's point of view. Yeah, makes sense. It totally makes sense. Do you think that he was a legitimate financial advisor? Like he could give him advice on how to do those things? That Gates wouldn't have more effective people? I mean, when you're at that level of wealth, I'm sure you have wealth management people that are like very high level.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Because that's one of the things that Eric said about him. He said when he met him, he was like, this guy's a fraud. Like, he doesn't know enough about what he's talking about. And, you know, Eric is... You know, I met Epstein a few times as well.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
When you were introduced to him, what – how was he described to you?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
When the shit went down and Epstein gets arrested for the second time, were you like, oh, well, there you go.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, I'm sure. Jesus Christ. Well, he tricked a lot of people. I know a lot of people that met that guy. He got a lot of celebrities to come to his house for parties and things.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
People love those stupid things. They love, like, exclusive clubs that very few people... Look at the fucking Soho House. Like, look at that stupid thing. I mean, you just go to a place that you have to be a member to go to, and everybody wants to be a member. Oh, my God. And then you get, like, the Malibu Soho House. It's different from the other ones. You have to have membership only there. Yeah.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Do you have membership there? People love that kind of shit. Socially, they love being a part of a walled garden. They love it. They love it. And if you're a guy like Bill Gates or similarly wealthy, you probably have a very small amount of people that you can relate to, very small amount of people that you can trust, probably very difficult to form new friendships.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Wouldn't it be wonderful to know what the fuck was really going on? And maybe one day we will. Maybe one day some Whitney Webb type character will break it all down to us and explain to us in great detail exactly how this was formulated and what they were doing and how they were getting information out of people. But I think people have to age out. They have to die.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, one of the wildest things that Trump said was that if they told you what they told me, you wouldn't tell people either. Which is like, what the fuck does that mean? What does that mean? I don't think legally he can tell you. Right. Because I think those things are above top secret. If they did inform him of something, there must be some sort of prerequisite to keeping this a secret.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think people have a very minimum with with two stories being mutually exclusive, two stories being the lone gunman or the CIA killed Kennedy. And then they these they're not connected. I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it. I think he probably did shoot that cop.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's some evidence that when he was on the run and he was confronted, there was a cop that got shot and they were alleging he might have done it. He might have taken a shot at Kennedy. He might have even hit him. I don't think he was the only one shooting. I think the vast – there was an enormous amount of people that heard sounds coming from the grassy knoll. They heard gunfire.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They reportedly saw people. The amount of people that were witnesses to the Kennedy assassination that died mysterious deaths is pretty shocking. Jack Ruby. Well, Jack Ruby, that's a weird one, right? Oswald. Yeah. Jack Ruby walks up to Oswald, shoots him, and then Jack Ruby, with no previous history of mental illness, becomes completely insane after getting visited by Jolly West, which is nuts.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Like, why is the guy who's the head of MKUltra visiting the guy who shot the assassin of the president? And why is he left alone with them? What happens? What does he give him that this guy is screaming out there, burning Jews alive? And just crazy, crazy shit. He was yelling out. He went nuts.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Some amount is dangerous for you. They probably gave him a fucking glass of it. They probably gave him a glass of it and told him it was water. Drink this. And who fucking knows? But the point is... I think it's very possible that Oswald was a part of it. And the way they did it and the way they just shot Oswald and... And then they write the Warren Commission.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
We don't even see the Zapruder film until 12 years later when Geraldo Rivera, when they play it on television, when Dick Gregory brought it to Geraldo Rivera, which is wild. A comedian brings the video, the actual film rather, of the assassination from a different angle.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
You can actually see the video of him getting shot and his head snaps back into the left and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on here? When you look at all that stuff, this mirrors what happened with this Crooks kid. This Crooks kid somehow or another gets to the top of the roof, is spotted by these people. They know he's there. They know he has a rifle.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They see him walking around the crime scene. half an hour before with a rangefinder, the whole thing is bananas. And then they go to his house after he's killed. It's completely scrubbed. There's no silverware there. They know that there's ad data that shows that a phone that's coming from the FBI offices in D.C. had visited him on multiple occasions because they tracked ad data.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And if that guy, if he shot Trump and Trump got murdered and then they shot him, it would be the Kennedy assassination all over again. Everybody would go, what the fuck happened? What happened? What was the motivation? Was he on any drugs? What's the toxicology report? How did he get up there? Who knew he was up there? How did they not shoot him quicker? What the fuck happened?
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But it seems more than that. If they knew that the guy was on the roof with a rifle, that seems a little more than that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
But I think the authorities knew this guy was on the roof before as well.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, didn't the snipers already have eye on him? I believe the snipers already had eye on him. I don't know. Find out if that's true. Jamie, find out if the snipers had eye on Crooks.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yes and no. Yes and no. OK, because Oswald had a scope. So Oswald had a rifle, the Marcano rifle. One of the snipers stationed inside the building reported he first saw Crooks outside and looking up to the roof of the building before the suspect left the scene. Crooks later came back and sat down while looking at his phone near the building.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
CBS News reported that a sniper took a photo of the suspect when he returned. But I think they saw him on the roof, though. Crooks then took out a range finder. Like, right then. Arrest that guy. You got a fucking range finder? About the suspect's action, Crooks then disappeared again and returned to the building with a backpack. Again, arrest him.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Secret Service snipers again alerted their command post about Crooks' actions. According to the source who spoke with CBS News, Crooks had already climbed to the top of the building in question by the time additional officers arrived at the scene for backup. The suspect also positioned himself above and behind the snipers inside the building.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
By the time the police started rushing the scene and other officers attempted to get onto the roof, the source told CBS News that a different Secret Service sniper had killed Crooks. Okay. So it seems like they fucking bumbled it at every step of the way. If they knew that guy was there, if they knew he had a range finder, he turns to the backpack, he gets onto the roof. All that's insane.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
That is at the very least horrific incompetence. At the very least.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, you don't know if he's wearing a vest, right? He could be wearing a vest, which you would have to have plates. You'd have to have ceramic plates in order to stop a rifle round. So was it a .308? What did he have? What kind of rifle did he have? I think he had an AR-15. And are the scopes a lot better today than they were? He didn't have a scope. We're pretty sure he didn't have a scope.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It was good. They said it was off. This was one of the conspiracy theories. Oh, the scope was off. But that doesn't mean anything because scopes can get off when you pick it up. If you knock it against the wall, when he drops it, if he makes the shot and then drops the scope and the scope hits the windowsill and then bounces off, that's – excuse me. That scope's off.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
No. Not a difficult shot. Very difficult to get off three shots very quickly. So that was the thing, that they had attributed three shots to Oswald. The reason why they had attributed three shots is because one of them had hit a ricochet. One of them had gone into the underpass, ricocheted off the curb, and hit a man who was treated at a hospital.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
They found out where the bullet had hit, so they knew that one bullet missed Kennedy, hit that curb, which would have indicated that someone shot from a similar position as Lee Harvey Oswald. So then they had the one wound that Kennedy had to the head, of course, and then they had another wound that Kennedy had through his neck.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
This is why they had to come up with the magic bullet theory because they had to attribute all these wounds to one bullet. And then they find this pristine bullet. They find it in the gurney when they're bringing Governor Connolly in. Nonsense. It's total nonsense. The bullet is undeformed.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
A bullet that goes through two people and leaves more fragments of the bullet in Connolly's wrist that are missing from the bullet itself. And then the bullet's not deformed after shattering bone. Boom. All that's crazy. All that defies logic. That doesn't make any sense. If you know anything about bullets, and if you shoot bullets into things, they distort.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's just one of the things that happen. That bullet looks like someone shot it into a swimming pool. That's what it looks like. When they do ballistics on bullets and they try to figure out if it was this guy's gun or that guy's gun, by the rifling of the round, they can get similar markings on bullets. When they do that, that's how they do it. They do it so the bullet doesn't distort.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
So they shoot that bullet into water or something like that. Now that bullet was metal jacketed, right? If you look at the bullet, the top of it is fucked up. But the shape of the bullet looks pretty perfect. It doesn't look like something that shattered bones.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And then you have to attribute you have to account rather for the amount of there's little fragments of the bullet that you could see that they found in Connolly's wrist. The whole thing's nuts. The whole thing's nuts that you're only saying that this one guy did it because that's convenient.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's much more likely that there were people in the grassy knoll and then Oswald was also shooting.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I mean I don't know. I don't know about what – all I know is you got a guy in a convertible, which is fucking crazy, who is the president of the United States and he's going slowly down a road. Now, if you are in a prone position, so Oswald is on the windowsill, right, which is a great place to shoot, by the way. It's a great place to shoot because you rest that gun on the windowsill.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And if you rest it on the windowsill, there's no movement, right? So you wrap your arm around the sling if it had a sling. I'm not sure if it did. So you get a nice tight grip. You shove it up against your shoulder. You rest it on the windowsill, and all you have to do is, you have a round already racked, and you have a scope, and so the scope's magnified.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
All you have to do is wait until he's there. You lead him just a little bit and squeeze one off. And then boom, boom. You could do that pretty quick. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that he did get off three shots. What doesn't make sense is the back and to the left. It doesn't make sense that all these other people saw people shooting from the grassy knoll.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Miami's fun, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's a fun place to visit. It's a little too crazy. A little too chaotic, a little too cocaine-fueled, a little too party, party, party.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There's all these people that saw people running away. They saw smoke. There's smoke in some photographs of it. It looks like there was more than one shooter. And it looks like they tried to hide that. They tried to hide that in the Warren Commission report. The shot to Kennedy's neck.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
initially was when they brought him in in Dallas before they shipped him to Bethesda, they said that that was an entry wound. When he got to Bethesda, then it became a tracheotomy. Why do you give a tracheotomy to a guy who doesn't have a head? You don't. I mean, none of it makes any sense. They altered the autopsy. This is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Kennedy's brain wasn't even in his body when they buried him. The whole thing is very strange.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Sure, sort of. Kind of. But what do you have to go on? You don't have to go on anything. Like this Crooks kid. We don't have anything to go on. We're just going to be left out here just like we're left out here with the Epstein information. No one knows. Whoever organized it, if anyone did, you're never going to hear about it. It's just going to go away.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The news cycle is just going to keep flooded with more nonsense. And I think there's probably a bunch of people that wanted Kennedy dead. I think there was more than one group of people that wanted Kennedy dead. I think there's probably collusion between groups that wanted Kennedy dead. And I think there's a lot of people that have vested interest in ending his presidency.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think he was dangerous. He was dangerous to a lot of the powers that be. He was dangerous. His famous speech about secret societies. Crazy speech. Guy has this speech and then gets murdered right afterwards. Kind of nuts. The whole thing's nuts. He wanted to get rid of the CIA. He wanted to, I mean, there's so many things that Kennedy wanted to do.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
There were also a lot of crazy things Kennedy was doing. Yes.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah. Well, listen, I'm sure there's a lot of people that wanted that guy dead, and I'm sure they would coordinate. I mean, if you knew that Cuba wanted Kennedy dead and you knew that Cuba can get you assassins or that they could help in any way, I'm sure they would want as many people that knew for a fact they wanted him dead and had communicated that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I mean, back then they were doing wild shit, man. I mean, this is when they were doing Operation Northwoods.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I hope you're correct. I hope you're correct, but it brings me back to this whole idea of getting dirt on people.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, I don't – we haven't really totally figured out if he had a scope on his rifle, but I don't believe he did.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
incompetence but i i don't know if that makes it better it might make it worse i think they weren't as competent right because they only had one guy doing it and he wasn't effective if you had the same if if you had much better organization you wouldn't have it just one guy i mean there's people out there that i know that can kill someone from a mile away
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Everything does get recorded. That is a fact. But it brings me back to that thing about having dirt on people that you were talking about with why the Epstein information doesn't get released and why – They probably did it in the first place. They did it in the first place. If you have dirt on people, then you know those people are not going to tell on you.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, it's kind of working. It's just everyone is aware that it's working and then they're frustrated that nothing happens. You know, like Julian Assange being arrested and spending so much time locked up in the embassy, like finally recently released. But didn't he have to delete like a bunch of emails in order to be released? But, you know, the...
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
Right. Because so many people are going there just to do that.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I hope you're right. Again, I don't know if that's incorrect with how they deal with overseas stuff. I hope they're really good at that. You know, that brings me to this whole UAP thing, because one of my primary theories about the UAP thing is it's stuff that we have. I think that's a lot of what people are seeing.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I think there are secret programs that are beyond congressional oversight that have done some things with propulsion that's outside of our understanding. The conventional understanding that most people have about rockets and all these different things being the only way to propel things through the sky, I think they've figured out some other stuff. And I think they're drones.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think they have drones that can use some sort of – whether it's anti-gravity propulsion system or some –
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
The latter. I think both. You think both? Yeah. I don't think we haven't been visited. I think we have. I think if life exists elsewhere, it most certainly should. It just makes sense.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
No, those are the ones that give me pause. That's why, you know, when I named my comedy club, the Comedy Mothership, it's all UFO themed. Our rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy. Our rooms are named after the nuclear bombs because those nuclear bombs, when they drop them, that's when everybody starts seeing these things.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
And I think if I was a sophisticated society from another planet and I recognized... that there is an intelligent species that has developed nuclear power and has started using it as bombs, I would immediately start visiting. And I would let them know, hey, motherfuckers, there's something way more advanced than you. I would hover over the nuclear bases and shut down their missiles.
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#2190 - Peter Thiel
I would do all the things that supposedly the UFOs did just to keep the government in check, just to say, hey – You're going through a transitionary period that all intelligent species do when they have the ability to harness incredible power. And yet they still have these primate brains. They have these territorial ape brains.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
But yet now with the ability to literally harness the power of stars and drop them on cities. I think that's when I would start visiting. And I think... All throughout human history, before that even, there's been very bizarre accounts of these things, all the way back to Ezekiel in the Bible. Very bizarre accounts of these things that are flying through space. The story of the chariot.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
Yeah, there's a bunch of them. There's the Vimanas in the ancient Hindu texts. There's so many of these things that you've got to wonder. And you got to think that if we send drones to Mars, and we do, we have a fucking rover running around on Mars right now collecting data. Do we send the James Webb telescope into space? Of course we do. We have a lot of stuff that we send into space.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
If we lived another million years without blowing ourselves up, which is just a blink of an eye in terms of the life of some of the planets in the universe. How much more advanced would we be? And if we were interstellar and if we were intergalactic travelers and we found out that there was a primitive species that was coming of age, I think we would start visiting them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
Well, Australia is okay, but they're even worse when it comes to rule of law and what they decide to make you do and the way they're cracking down on people now for online speech. And it's very sketchy in other countries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
Perhaps. Yeah. Let me give you an alternative theory. Now, if you were a highly sophisticated society, they understood the progression of technology and understood the biological evolution that these animals were going through. And you realize that they had reached a level of intelligence that required them to be monitored. Or maybe you've even helped them along the way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
And this is some of Diana Pasulko's work who works with Gary Nolan on these things. They claim that they have recovered these crashed vehicles that defy any conventional understanding of – how to construct things, propulsion systems, and they believe that these things are donations. That's literally how they describe them, as donations.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
If you knew that this is a long road, you can't just show up and give people time machines. It's a long road for these people to develop the sophistication The cultural advancement, the intellectual capacity to understand their place in the universe and that they're not there yet. And they're still engaging in lies and manipulation and propaganda. Their entire society is built on a ship of fools.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
If you looked at that, you would say they're not ready. This is what we do. We slowly introduce ourselves, slowly over time, make it more and more common, and that's what you're seeing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
Coastal California is tough to beat. And you're two hours from the mountains.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
What you're seeing is when you have things like the TikTok, the Commander David Fravor incident off of the coast of San Diego in 2004, and then you have the stuff that they found off the East Coast where they were seeing these –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
cubes within a circle that were hovering motionless and 120 knot winds and taking off at insane races speed and that they only discovered them in 2014 when they started upgrading the systems on these jets like what is all that like what are those things and if you If you wanted to slowly integrate yourself into the consciousness, much like we're doing with, well, AI is quicker, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
But it's also a thing that's become commonplace. We think of it now, it's normal. Chat GPT is a normal thing. Even though it's past the Turing test, we're not freaking out. You have to slowly integrate these sort of things in the human consciousness. You have to slowly introduce them to the zeitgeist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
And for it to not be some sort of a complete disruption of society where everything shuts down and we just wait for space daddy to come and rescue us, it has to become a thing where we slowly accept the fact that we are not alone. And I would think psychologically that would be the very best tactic to play on human beings as I know and understand them from being one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
I do not think that we would be able to handle just an immediate invasion of I think it would break down society in a way that would be catastrophic to everything, to all businesses, to all social ideas. Religion would fall apart. Everything would be fucked. It would be pretty crazy. It would be beyond crazy. It would be pretty crazy. It would be beyond fucked. And then why are they here?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2190 - Peter Thiel
96? You're proving my point. I do so much sauna that I literally don't even notice it. I'm outside for hours every day shooting arrows, and I don't even notice it. Well, I don't know if you're a representative of the average Austin president. I don't know, but I think you get accustomed to it. To me, it's so much better than too cold. Too cold, you can die.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Dude, you're so at home on stage, it's crazy. You know, when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked you, I'm like, how often do you just do this? Just get up there and sing. How often are you doing this? It's a crazy thing because it's like just you. Are you up there? 15,000 people, 50,000 people, it's just jelly roll.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That's when a guy's like, you're just so in the zone and so on top of your game. It's just beautiful to watch someone that's in the zone because you recognize that feeling is a great feeling. When you're just like totally in tune with what you're doing. I love when I see a comic that's in there. When you know it's a flow. Yeah. You know what I mean? Last time Dave Vettel was here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And Tony just had this weird idea that he just like a little pit bull just stuck with it. One minute of comedy and he like honed it over time and figured out. And then he became the best host in all of entertainment. There's no one better at hosting a comedy show than him. The way he does that show, the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his like the roast lines.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
It was right before he filmed his special. My God. It was magic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Oh, my God. He's so good right now. If you get a chance to see Dave Vettel live, if you're a comedy fan, you have to see him. And now I'm sure he's got a whole bunch of new stuff because his special's out. God.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And such good, real, just different level comedians, too. They're great comedians, but they're just great people, too. They're fun to hang with. There's a great crop. It's a great crop of people coming up right now. You know, Norman and Shane and all these guys coming up right now are so good. It's so fun.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
He's one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better. Way better. A lot of guys, there's like this thing that they have when they're doing drugs, especially, where they're just wild. And sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage. Like, I couldn't imagine a sober Kinison. That would have been really weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Like, Kennison's whole thing was like, I'm here to fucking party! Yes. Like, he was partying, dude, hard. And that's why we didn't get much out of him. We only got, like, really a couple of good albums out of Kennison. Because he's just going too hard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You know what I'm saying? It's like I can say anything here. I know I'm OK. Everybody's cool. The whole staff's cool. The staff's mostly comedians.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the store. That's why I hired her. She was one of the first hires. Because I told her, I go, you know, she was like one of the first people I contacted. I'm like, I'm going to open up a club. She's awesome, dude. I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar. That's how I feel. So the back bar at the store, it was completely removed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
There's no general public at all. It's a very small. You've ever been in the back bar of the store? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Carrie ran that place. So she kept everybody in line. Punky was there too before Punky was on SNL. It's hilarious. She used to run that back bar too. And we used to all hang out there like anybody, you know, you could be safe there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
All these celebrities, people from out of town, they'd all just find their way to that weird little private bar. So I kind of knew and originally Mitzi's was not going to be open to the public at all. It was just going to be a private bar. But then along the way, we said, you know what? It doesn't hurt to have it open to the general public up until a certain time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And then from that time out, have it everybody after the shows are over. Because that's when everybody really wants to hang. And that was like the best blending of both worlds. But it was that old bar in Hollywood was it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there. So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home. Yeah, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
So it's like that there was like a piece of her there with us all the time. So when we decided to do this place, I'm like, we got to have a bar just for Mitzi. Just it's the same kind of same kind of vibe. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
She did so much for everybody. She's the most important person in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah. It's a fun group of people. Contrary to popular belief. Yeah. Popular belief is that comedians are all miserable. No, dude. It's actually the funnest.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That's why you love a good book, especially one that somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way. I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment, right? Once people, when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.
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#2212 - Jelly Roll
Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax. Right. When you're sitting around the campfire, that was the only time. It was dark out. There was nothing to do. You found all the food you're going to find and you're going to get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
So the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other. Wow. In prehistory. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You could only do it when the sun was out and at nighttime it's fucking dangerous because there's predators out there. So fire is the best thing to keep off the predators. You need a fire and everybody gathers around the fire because the predators don't want to come to the fire. Yeah. Fuck, man. And that's where people learned how to tell stories. That's why we're so attracted to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And they were doing fucking drugs back then, too, I'm sure. Oh, 100%.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
They tried everything. They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you. Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God. Yeah. Yeah. They had to figure that out, trial and error.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Did you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom and the Scrolls? Mm-mm. It's Sacred Mushroom in the Christian Myth. There's two different. Sacred Mushroom in the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them. What are the titles of his book? Sacred Mushroom in the Cross. And then there is another one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
There's another one that he released after the Catholic Church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it. Wow. Something in the Christian Myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth. I read the Dead Sea Scrolls. So this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they're conquered by the Romans, they'd have these stories so they would hide the truth in stories. And in, you know, allegories and all these different tales.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. I can tell you this on brand.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time. Ooh. You know, because if you have a story and the story, Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he's going to do this and he's going to do that. And he does it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That's 51 fucking years ago. That's insane. And we're still trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And this is like with modern, like they had television. They had printing press. They had all these different things. They had accountability. They had elected officials. They had democracy. Still can't figure out what the fuck happened. And that's 63.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5,000 years ago. It's like, who knows who's telling the truth? Who knows? You've got to sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking facts show. But if you have a story, even if it's like there's something hidden in that story, and he thinks that that's what the apple was in the Garden of Eden. That's deep.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And a lot of mushrooms, too. Yeah. There's a lot of images then with mushrooms.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I don't know if I want to do mushrooms. God, they should be legal. I know, right? God, they should be legal. They should be legal and regulated and people should figure out what the fuck they do. Yeah. Should do a lot of research. Figure out what this is. This might be the thing that gets us out of there. Just a micro dosing nation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You're a beautiful example that there's no rules. Yes. There's no rules. It's all bullshit. Just be yourself. Just be yourself. Do your best. Find whatever it is inside you that you can express. That's it. There's no rules. There's no rules for age. Like, Ron White used to worry about that all the time. I think I'm too old. You're Ron motherfucking White. You're a legend. Period.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
It's funny that people want to reject that. What's really important is to keep people from, like, losing their mind and losing their ambition and becoming like the hippies were in the 1960s following Timothy Leary. That's what everybody's worried about. Everybody's worried about, like, this collapse of society because people, they give up on capitalism.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
They tune in and drop out, you know, that whole thing. I don't think that's real. I don't think we should be worried about that. I think those people are always going to want to drop out. People that want to fuck off are always going to want to fuck off. And if you give them an excuse, yeah, they're going to do it. But that's just a style of person. That's not going to affect most people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Most people would benefit, especially if they're not crazy. If they don't have, like, mental health problems, you'll probably get something out of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You know what the wildest theory I've ever heard about psilocybin is? Is that it came from outer space. That's an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that they know that spores can survive in the vacuum of space. And there's a thing called panspermia. And panspermia is the idea that like an asteroid slams into a planet.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And it takes amino acids and biological organisms that can survive in space and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid. And that's a real thing that we know for sure happens, right? And they know that that's how we get iridium.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
There's a lot of iridium on Earth, like in places where there's been an impact because it's really rare on Earth but really common in space. Right. So we know that some shit gets to us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And apparently, I'm too stupid to understand this, but the way botanists describe it, and see if you can find any information on this, there's something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms, psilocybin cubensis mushrooms. They're very weird, and they're not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that's here in some strange way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
The way they work is also very tied into human neurochemistry. It's really close to dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so the craziest theory is that it's come from space. Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
But it's like that humility that he has even though he's got great confidence in his ability like Ron is a very humble guy as successful as he is but that humility that he is is also that Constantly has him writing it constantly has him working. He's 40 years in the game He never stops and he's better now than he's ever been before now that he's sober Like he's a monster, a monster on stage.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light. And as if all this wasn't unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
So this is one of the weirder theories. So was this Terrence McKenna's theory? Are mushrooms from outer space?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
The late ethnobotanist Terence McKenna suggests that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah, yeah, theory. It's called the stoned ape theory. Yeah, I heard about that. His theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self-awareness. Yeah. It's fucking wild. Yeah, his theory is that's why, I mean, if you can see it there, click on that back again, you can see where it was talking about his theory.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah. He said, while it may seem like material from space, from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone. Fungi build cell walls of, I don't know how to say that word, chitin? Chitin? Chitin? The same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I'm so country, I'd have said chitin. Chitin, could be chitin. Chitin, like chitlins. These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings, as well as the plumage of some colorful birds, such as peacocks, living spores. Okay, so we've read that, but there was something about his theory, where he's explaining his theory of how it would have worked. That's it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Well, essentially his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms, and it made them better hunters, and it made them more creative, and it made them figure out language. And he thinks it's responsible for this weird mystery of the human brain size. It doubled over a period of two million years, and there's no real solid explanation for It's a very strange thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And apparently the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution. Really? Yeah, how did the human brain double over two million years? Oh, dude, it had to have been psilocybin. Probably had a part of it. Or aliens. Right. Maybe aliens.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You know? Maybe they are aliens. Maybe we're just looking the wrong way. Maybe we're fucking aliens, right? I think we probably are. I think we probably are. It doesn't seem like we belong here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, it's like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
If it's a simulation, it's a really good one. We're in a good timeline, brother. Oh, it couldn't be any better, man. We're in a really good episode. We got a fucking good group of writers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
It's like if you're on the show and you got writers like this, like, fuck, these writers are amazing. This fucking show is always entertaining. Every day there's some drama. Yeah. Oh, especially right now. We're in the middle of the drama season. Oh, my goodness. There's so much. There's so much. You could get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day.
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#2212 - Jelly Roll
It's a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour. Yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, that's a good hammer and nail, the two of those guys together, too. He did that at the club here, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, when David and Tony go after each other, there's like hours on the internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other. There's a hundred thousand ways David can call Tony gay. Yeah, and he's called David a hundred thousand ways to be fat. It's also the way they laugh at each other doing it. Like if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, it's getting cooler and cooler. Elon believes it's a simulation. He's a lot smarter than me. Yeah. He thinks the odds that it's not a simulation are in the billions. Really? Yeah, in the billions, he said. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You know what I'm saying? Like you're kind of staring at the sun. You're kind of staring at the sun. Like it used to be you had a little campfire and you're warming your hands because it's cold outside. But now you're kind of staring at the sun. And maybe just be Jelly Roll. That's what I... Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You know what I mean? You exploded. Yeah. But you handle it beautifully. You really do. Because you feel like genuine gratitude. Genuine gratitude comes off of you. Yeah, thank you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
My mama likes Ron White. You know what I mean? He was the first guy out here. He was the first guy that came. He moved here before the pandemic. That's crazy. Because he was always with us at the store. And then one day I called him up. I'm like, where the fuck you been, man? He goes, I moved to Austin. Back to Texas. He just loved it. He's like, there's no traffic. Everyone's nice.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Crazy. You know what I'm saying? What's in this one? This is coffee. That's water. Okay. Yeah, it's a wild experience, man. And if it's not real, boy, we picked a really good simulation. It's been great, though, man. It's great to hear that you're on this positive track because it's all now just about momentum. It's just about staying on the course.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That's what's hard for people is getting the good momentum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And I started thinking about it then. He planted like the first seeds in like 2018. I was like, can I live in Austin? Fuck, I don't know. Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains. I want to live somewhere where there's no people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You've been carrying around 500 pounds. Yeah, 500 plus. Your legs must be sturdy as fuck. And if you could lose weight now, you're going to have, like, super legs. Should I keep going?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Because I'm going to lose that kind of weight. Do you know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for a year? For a year and lost 200-something pounds. I think he lost 300 pounds. Yeah, I've watched that story. Didn't he lose like 300 pounds? Something crazy like that. The dude had no food. And his fat shrunk, but his skin shrunk, too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I think autophagy is when your body gets rid of all bad cells. This is like something that comes with fasting. Bad cells is definitely a scientific version of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That's the real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that you got all this extra skin. Like Ethan Suplee, he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I really liked the mountains above Boulder. I lived there for a little while in 2009. But when I think about Montana sometimes, I think about just someplace more peaceful, Wyoming, somewhere just a little more peaceful, cold as fuck in the winter, but just like more real. And that was my thought when I was living in L.A. But it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, if you just keep going, you know, it'll become normal for you to not eat candy, normal for you to eat healthy food. It'll be what you crave.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah. You get those guys like Bilal's way over 170. I don't know what he weighs, but I got to guess he's close to 200 pounds.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Well, that dude does – he's done camp in Ramadan. And, you know, you can't eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan. So he would have to get up in the morning while it was dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything. Yeah. Do it to a day, probably. And no water in your training. And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat. No, he's a machine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
That dude is complete. That Leon Edwards fight was crazy. I get to see him tomorrow. He's a great guy, man. He's a great guy. He really is. And the fact that he's that devout a Muslim, that he prays five times a day, he doesn't fuck around. He's really by the book. He doesn't even swear.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
When are you coming to fudge in Chicago? It's ridiculous. He's like this assassin, and he won't swear.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Nice. Big deal for me. Chicago's always a great fucking town.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Well, they have a few. They have, what do they have, Zany's in Chicago. They have another one in Rosemont.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I don't know. I don't know. They never know. That doesn't make sense if they don't.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
They used to have a really good room at the Improv in Hollywood. They called it The Lab. And that's where Ari started This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central show. You know, the storyteller show? That all started in that lab. That was Ari's little baby that he created. The old way the improv used to be set up was amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You have the big room, and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar. But then they expanded it and made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door. They fucked the whole thing up. The whole thing's fucked now. It used to be the stage was in the back. There wasn't a lot of noise in the room. And then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
When the COVID stuff was going on, I'm like, they're not going to let this go. They're going to keep us in control. Once they have control of you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, got to get a vaccine, can't go here, can't go there, no businesses, everything shut down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
But at that time, that was what it was called. It was called The Lab.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah. You know what happened with that? You know how it all went down? Ari got an offer from Netflix to do a special. You know, he actually filmed his special and Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Central. But Netflix was better for him and they were pissed that he was going to do the special on Netflix. So they fired him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
and he stuck to his guns, and then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while, and that was the end of it. But that's why. It was because Ari wouldn't listen to that. They were trying to force him into doing a special on Comedy Central.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, and he's like, no. I don't have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central. This is crazy. And they tried to use the show. They did use the show. They fired him. How fucking petty is that? They fired him. And not to say Roy Woods didn't do great with the show. Roy Woods is great. I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods took over. Because, first of all, Roy's hilarious. Great comic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
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But also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work. Ari was going to take out a loan, and he was going to pay all the people, all the camera people, all the crew. He was going to pay everybody their salary.
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He felt bad. And it was like, this is not what I want. This is not my fault. But they're forcing me into it. And by principle, I can't just give in and say, okay, I'm going to do this at Comedy Central.
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Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix. It's his show. I would— He called it—now he calls it Ari Shaffir's Renamed Storyteller Show. I think that's what he calls it. He still does it, but he should— It's on Netflix now? No, no, no. I said he should do it on Netflix. But he'll still do live ones every now and then. He does live storyteller shows.
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When they were doing that, I was like, they're not going to let this go. I got to get the fuck out of here. And when we came to Texas... It was. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just need it.
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One that you could concoct. Yeah, one that you could figure out. Put together the right way.
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Yeah, I think that's probably, really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.
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That's the mother of all I Hate My Wife songs. Oh, yeah. Insane. That's a crazy song. The fact that that dude was 21 when he sang that, you're like, what? It sounds like he's 58. I believe in reincarnation. I'm telling you, man. There's no other way. It doesn't make sense.
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I have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone. Yeah, right?
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I want to hang out with the horses. It seems like a good time.
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Yeah, I'll watch it for bursts, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are going to be receiving and injuries and concussions, they're just like, I got to stop watching this.
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Like, oh, just when you look at... Animal. Those dudes riding bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone's ever done. No. That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time.
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Like somebody overcooked it. And at the end, those guys are always broken. Everything's broken. We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider and one of his arms, his shoulder had like just giant scars all over the place. He had like five or six shoulder reconstructions. It pops out sometimes. He has to pop it back in. That is sick. It's crazy.
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All from riding a giant 2,000-pound animal that doesn't want you riding it.
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Bro, you know who's got the best rodeo song for my money? Zac Brown. Open the Gate. Oh, it's the...
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Oh, my God. Meanwhile, I'm listening to him going, get off that bull. Don't go ride that bull. Don't do it. Your dad's dead. Don't ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad. Jesus Christ.
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Wow. How many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming like artist of the year at thirty nine. How many people are like that out there, that are just super talented, that just never get that crack? It's, man. There's a thing that's inside some people. There's a thing that's inside some people. And it's different in everybody.
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Like, you're different is different than Colter Wall is different, is different than Reba is different, different than Johnny Cash is different. Everybody's got that thing.
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But there's so many people out there that we never get to see that thing.
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I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early, too, though.
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You actually are performing there. That's how I felt. I think you're correct. Yeah, I felt that way.
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Well, the thing is, if you could figure it out, right? People figure out everything. They figure out how to write books. They figure out how to play baseball. People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out. That's why it's so exciting when you do.
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That's why it's so exciting when you make it because you know it's not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you because they all do with all of us. There's a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive, right? You have to get lucky. But then you also have to have that thing. What is that thing inside you that you've got to get out?
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And you can figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people, or you quit. A lot of people quit.
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It's also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from. Ooh. Ideas that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere. They just feel like gifts. They really do.
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Like when you're sitting in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down, or when you wake up in the middle of the night to take a leak and you can't get this idea out of your head and you've got to grab a notebook. Man, those things are gifts. They're gifts from the universe. Ooh.
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You've had that happen too where you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 a.m.? The worst one is I try to convince myself that I'll remember it. And you'll go back to sleep and you'll blow it. Yeah, because I'm lazy. I'm like, you're going to remember. Don't worry about it. You'll definitely remember that. You don't remember it? No, no, no. I remember like one of them ever.
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It's crazy where those things come from, the muse. And you've got to respect the muse. And I think when you're writing a lot like you are, that muse is ready to go. You're tuned into whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs. You're just searching for it. You're in the mode of searching for it.
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Yeah. Just old church basement. How much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place, talking to people?
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Especially as an artist that deals in, you know, to say it again, stories and just, you know, you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other. And sometimes it just lights a spark. Yeah.
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If you really think about like old school rock and roll, like classic rock, there's great songs, but then there's these story songs, you know? Like Shooting Star, that Bad Company song. Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. That's one of those songs that everybody listens to the words. You just get caught up in the story. There's a difference between that and just fun songs.
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Just fun songs, back and black. Fun. It's not like a story, like an emotional story that gets you. There's some of those songs, you know? American Pie. American Pie. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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There he goes. Give me it from the beginning, Jamie. This motherfucker. So
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Just whack. At every corner, dude. Oh, my God. And listen. Voice like an angel. All sensitive.
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Carly Simon. Carly Simon was so beautiful. God, when she was young, she was one of the most beautiful women that's ever lived.
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Just authentic, you know what I mean? There's no bullshit in this song. The third verse when he goes, yeah, you got to let this rip, man.
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It's crazy. What a team, him and Carly Simon. Think about that. What was... Bro, You're So Vain. Oh, my goodness. Pull that shit up. Give me a You're So... And seeing her sing it with that bass. Oh, my God. God. Oh, my God. What a great song.
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While she's playing the piano, son. With her hair blowing. So 80s! In the wind. Yes.
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But hold on, hold on. Because if the song was about him, he's right. Yeah, right? For sure. You know, Warren Beatty was listening to that song going, I think this song is about me.
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James Taylor? You know what, man? It wouldn't shock you, right, if you found out that the guy was like the sweetheart, super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho. Dude.
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Ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972, The Identity of You has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history. But she did date Warren Beatty, right? It came out in 72?
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Warren Beatty. Michael Crichton. Michael Crichton. Jack Nicholson. Cat Stevens.
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Or John Travolta. Even rumored flings with Sean Connery. Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye. Mick Jagger. Possibility of Mick Jagger. I bet Marvin Gaye did something different with that. That lady got around. She got around with all the talented motherfuckers. She got around.
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So that was 1970? Yeah. Oh, no, so it was a few years before. Okay. So they wrote it about Southern Man? Is that what they wrote it about?
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What a banger of a song. What a banger. What a banger. You're talking about.
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Give me some of that. Yeah, please. God damn, that's a good song. I mean, all respect to Neil Young. That's better than anything he's ever done in his life.
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You know, Young's name checked and dissed. Yeah, I don't think they thought about it that way back then. It reached number eight in the Billboard Hot 100. Give me some Sweet Home Alabama. That's a song that you hear in the bar in the first couple of chords play, and you go, oh, yeah. You just immediately stand up.
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It's the best solo ever. Ever. It's hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughn and a bunch of other people, Eddie Van Halen. But that solo was the same every time they did it.
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You know what I'm saying? I'm a giant Skinner fan. And you know what I love about Skinner, too? They came out of Florida. Who would have saw that? No, dude, Jacksonville. Who would have saw that? Straight out of Jacksonville, Florida. What? Jacksonville's not going to make any amazing bands? Dude. How does this band come out of Jacksonville? Period. And every song is about running away from girls.
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I got to go, ladies. Yeah. I got to be free. It's all the time. Give me two steps. I love you, but I got to go.
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It was like it was a goof. It was weird. It was like a completely different universe. We could go to my kids were young, man. They were 10 and 12. And like they wanted to go to restaurants like we can go to a restaurant here and sit indoors like for everyone was terrified in L.A. And they just weren't here. And the same results like the same the same thing happened to everybody.
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He was standing up when the plane crashed, right? He went and sat down. He was drinking. Yeah, they were just partying. They were just Leonard Skinner-ing, dude.
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If he sat down and put his seatbelt on, he might still be here.
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They were awesome, man. They were gone too quick. And I know they toured after Ronnie died, but it wasn't the same. Yeah.
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But over here, it was a way more peaceful experience. And Ron, when we were out here, we started doing shows at the Vulcan. And one night, the first time Ron had been on stage in like eight months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders. He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. He's like, you got to open up a club. And I'm like, all right, that's it.
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Right. You know what I mean? So it's like an ACDC type thing.
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Yeah, and then Nuts, too, because when we were kids, we never thought that rock stars would be touring in their 70s.
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I'm saying it's like... I don't know, man. It's weird when you meet people that were real famous when you were a kid. That, to me, is always going to be the weirdest one. It's the one. Steven Tyler, meeting that dude, meeting people like that. It's just like you just feel weirded out. I met Tarantino. I was like, oh, dude. This is weird.
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what our household was doing you know what i mean so when i met him it was kind of like man i gotta tell my mama well when he first started hanging out the store about like i guess it was about 10 years ago um he never had like a club like that before where it was like a home base you know he was always a successful touring comedian so he'd bring guys to open up for him on the road but it was basically the ron white show
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Then he started hanging out with us at the store. He was like, man, this is what I've been missing. I've been missing a real camaraderie, like the base, the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out. It makes all the difference in the world. It is. No. Well, iron sharpens iron, too. Yeah.
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When you're in Nashville, too, I mean, think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night. For sure.
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It's the same thing like you doing all those shows. It's the same thing like them, right?
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All because of Ron. Ron led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here. So I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron's here. Yeah. You know, and then Tony moved here and then Brian Simpson moved here. And then the fucking just the train kept rolling all night long. It was nuts.
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The hardest spot is opening on a comedy show. It's brutal. I tell every comedian that opens for me, this is like running what waits on. Talking about like the one of three, not the feature slot, the number one. First guy. First guy on stage. That's the hardest gig. And it's the gig for the guys that are the youngest, that are the learners. They're learning it.
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Yeah, that's why Hans Kim was like our best opener because Hans Kim has structure. All his jokes have structure. So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shit, and he puts you in this like it's like a very structured set. So he gets people into like the hypnosis of comedy. He gets locked into laughing. and then boom, next comedian goes up and the bar's already set.
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You're already loose and everybody's running. But that first spot, man, you gotta like... Yeah, same with us.
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You know, I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and like their first fight, they look fantastic and they're fast tracked. And sometimes guys get broken because they they meet top flight competition before they're really ready. They're really like an up and coming fighter honing their skills.
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And they run into a wily veteran who's like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up and they're kind of never the same.
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Because they really shouldn't have been fighting that guy. Whereas boxing is a lot more clever. If they have a guy who's like a Terrence Crawford or someone who's a really good fighter, they'll match him up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very, very high level. And then they start challenging for a world title. But they prepare him. They get him.
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They put him. The thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves. And if you're Jon Jones, that's fine. Jon Jones wins the title at 22. But most guys are not Jon Jones. Most guys could be an elite fighter, but the circumstances just derail them before they ever get there.
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It was improv, too. I did the improv in the Ice House. There was a few clubs we did, like on a regular. You know, because the more places to work out, the better. You know, and when we were... There were so many of us, too. You know, we'd have shows. It's like Bill Burr's on, me, Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer. They're crazy shows. Crazy shows. Because everybody was in L.A.
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Chase still has a shot. He's still super talented. He just had to really get better at striking.
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Yeah, but he got a lot better. He got a lot better at everything. He's really good on the ground. Yeah. No, the kid's great. He also went up to 55, which I think was big because he was killing himself. Yeah.
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Well, you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing. They're still getting bigger. Like Raul Rosas Jr., he's 19 years old, and that kid's still growing. Every time you see him, he looks more muscular, more jacked. He's still in his prime. I mean, not even close to his prime. He's still growing up.
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That's the craziest job. Yeah. Being a pro football player is the craziest job because you're literally in a car wreck every day.
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It was a beautiful thing up until they shut everything down. It's that beautiful here now, though, Bob. That's what's crazy.
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And that's the American sport. It's a totally, I mean, in full speed. Isn't it kind of crazy that that is the American sport? I mean, what other countries even play it other than Canada? Who else plays football? Like American-style football? They don't even play it overseas.
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It's bizarre that we didn't call it a different thing. They were calling it football and it was soccer. And we just said, no, we're going to change the name of that. We're going to call it soccer. And this is football now.
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Yeah, exactly. Fuck you. We go with degrees. Fahrenheit, bitch. Yeah, fuck you. We're going to create one. Fuck your metric system. Metric system is so much more efficient.
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And the best thing is, too, there's an added element that we bring new people in every weekend. So every weekend there's these big national headliners. So they come in on Tuesday, Wednesday, and we're fucking around all week. We're just having a great time hanging out.
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Love him, man. Big, big. Have you seen Theo thinking of Nashville? Speaking of Nashville guys, you've seen Theo do his impression to you? Oh, yeah. It's the fucking best. It's my favorite thing ever. We'll let every acceptance be. See if you can find it, Joey. I want to thank the concrete layers.
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Well, if someone's listening to this right now, some comic's probably going to write a bit and put you in there. Don't be mean. No, just be funny. Just for fun. Yeah. Maybe it's Theo. Yeah, right? Maybe Theo will do that in a special.
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And then you have Kill Tony, that's the anchor. Every Monday. Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe. Really, that's a grandiose statement, I know. But what Kill Tony shows you is like every comic wants a reaction.
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Well, the idea behind it, you could definitely apply to music.
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People know it's a laboratory, too. And that's another exciting thing about it. Like, when you go to the Mothership, you go to that Bottom of the Barrel show. That's a full laboratory show. My favorite show I've seen there. Nobody knows what the fuck it's going to be about. You're just reaching into a barrel and pulling out suggestions.
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And some comics, unfortunately, if you're in specific areas, like very liberal areas, like Silver Lake has a problem with this, like those kind of places where everyone's like super woke and they want to let everyone else know that they're super woke. It's like a kind of thing you have to do. So you get ideologically captured. and you make material that's bullshit, you get clapped-er.
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Yeah, well, it's his show. But the reason why it's so good is because it's like a premise factory. You just get ignited by this thought that you didn't think of before that. In that moment, someone says something about fire trucks, and then you're like, you know about fire trucks? And then all of a sudden, there's a bit. Right.
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Like all of a sudden, because of necessity, because you're forced into the situation where you're trying to like, it's literally like you're calling on the muse on the stage. And a lot of times it's nothing like seven out of 10 times. You ain't got shit for that bit. But every now and then you catch fire and that becomes like a bit.
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Have you ever had one birth into a bit? A bunch of them. I'll tell you which one's off stage or off camera, but a bunch of them. That's awesome. Yeah, a bunch of them. Because it's just like that little room, too, is like so, like you can't bullshit anybody in that little room. It feels like we're all sitting Indian style together. Yeah, there's only 100 people in there.
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110, I think, is when it's fully packed. Dave was the first person to go on stage there. Really? Yeah. Well, actually, Shane first. Shane opened for Gillis. Gillis opened for Chappelle. We didn't even tell the audience who was going on stage. We just said it's a special, intimate show. Show sold out like that. Nobody knew who it was.
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And he just fully writes on stage. Like he had just done a special. He fully writes on stage. Like he has ideas and he just like lets them breathe. Just fucks around on stage. Gets a little tipsy. Just fucks around on stage.
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And that's when you'll find probably the shit that closes it out. Sometimes it's like taglines just come to you in the moment. And you're like, wow, I never even thought of that one before. Do you get straight off stage and write them down? No, I record all my sets. Oh, wow. So then after I'm done, I'll listen to the recording and I'll write. I sit down in front of the laptop.
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It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it. So if I'm thinking a coffee cup, I'm thinking of it instantly, but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it, and that gives me chances to explore left, right, down, up, all these different ways you can go with an idea. And then I'll usually try to write it out like an essay form.
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So if I have an idea and it's funny and it does really well and bottom of the barrel or a riff out of nowhere, Then I take that idea and I just write out like an essay. I'm not even trying to be funny. I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea. And then I'll extract like little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage. Wow.
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What Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute. You have one minute and there's obviously no rules. By the time you get on stage, you've seen Cam go crazy, you've seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit, maybe you've seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtz, but you've seen maniacs on stage killing. And so you got one minute, just crack. It's time to crack. So it sets a tone for comedy.
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And then sometimes in the middle of it, you're like, this sounds wrong. This sounds disingenuous. I'll take a totally different approach. Sometimes I'll contradict myself. Like in the middle of it, I'll go, but what the fuck do I... Why would I think that I know the answer to the... And then that becomes the bit. Right. Then it turns into the turn. Yeah. You never know, man.
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And the whole thing is just numbers. You just got to put a lot of numbers in. A lot of numbers in front of the computer. Numbers on stage. It's just... It's like this constant process of building a mountain one layer of paint at a time.
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Well, she probably sees what you do. And that's the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it's your peers or for her, your dad. You get to see an example of how someone does a process. Because if you don't around anybody that's trying to get good at something, you don't really know how to do it. Right. That's one of the cool things about a conversation like this.
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Because there's people out there that are listening that don't have anybody around them that's doing cool shit.
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And they think it's impossible. And they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life. And, you know, this other dude who was a cage fighting comedian, cage fighting commentator and stand up comedian. Like these fucking guys are not they're not normal either.
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Like maybe I'm not normal. Maybe like this. Maybe there is something out there for me.
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But I don't hear it from anybody in my neighborhood. I don't hear it from my parents. I don't hear it from my teachers. I don't hear it from my boss.
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And I'm fucking lost, you know? And then they hear people talk about, like, the love of writing songs that you have, the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise. You write down an idea for a lyric. And then in their head, they're like, I can do that with something. Yeah. I can do that with something. I just have to find a thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
The comedy is just entertaining. No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you'd like to talk about, whether you're Nate Bargatze or whether you're Shane Gillis. There's just a different way to do it. Everybody's got their own way to do it. But it's just go try to find your way. Don't try any tricks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Yeah, if you keep going. That's the thing we were talking about before about people bailing out. Yeah, that's it. It gets hard. You just got to sit, man. You just got to sit, man. You just got to sit. You also got to recognize when you're making the right moves or the wrong moves. with what you're doing. And sometimes people don't want a course correct. They don't want a course correct.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And then it could be a bad relationship. That one's tanked more guys than anything. Yeah, I've seen it. And gals. I've seen it. The bad relationship one, that'll tank you. No, that'll do it. Everything in your life is that thing. And then you have very little resources for your art. Yeah. Because your life is just a storm. Just a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Isn't it crazy that everybody wants to be special, but every special person wants to be an everyman? Yeah. I like being in every man. That's what I like being. Me too. Yeah. But when you're a kid, you want to be different. You want to pretend that you're different than other people because that'll make success more attainable. Exactly.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You want to pretend that you have some special quality and ability that other people don't possess. So that's why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, where everybody in our business wants to be successful and famous. So you have to be bizarre. And then once you get there, you're like, oh, shit, everybody's just the same. Everybody's the same.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I got to make sure that I keep that. Make sure that I keep we're all the same.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Don't try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because you think people are going to agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you're going to say something profound. Shut up. You got one minute. So that sets a tone for all the people- coming up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I never thought of it that way. It's one of the most important things that's ever happened to comedy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Isn't that crazy what you're saying, too, about taking yourself out of it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
It snapped that fast. It's almost like a trap. It's the You're So Vain song. It's like a trap. That trap of thinking about yourself. You waste so much of your resources. So much of your resources, like thinking about how you want to come off, how you want people to react to it, how you want to, like, get out there and kill it in front of everybody, and you miss all the beautiful magic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
All the magic. It's right there. Yeah. You know, and you're just missing, you just get lost in the art. And when you're at your best, you are them. You are one of them. You're, like, singing for them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I think that's one of the things that people really dislike about stars, like famous people, like people that you think of as stars, that they somehow or another think they're better than everybody else. That's the thing that people dislike the most. Like, oh, they think they're better than us. They live in Beverly Hills. They think they're better than us because they're a star.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
You ain't better than us. When someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them, just a better version of who you used to be, but stay normal. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And I'm like, oh, dude, it's because I'm fucking winning at home. It's also what you're saying, too, about your resources. You have so much more to give. And everything's positive. A happy home life feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life. That's what we all want. We all want a beautiful community of people that are enjoying life and experiencing life together.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with. You just want a beautiful community of people having a good time. And that's possible. But it's hard. And that's why it's so wonderful when you get it. Because you know that there's a lot of people out there that are never going to get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Just think about the arc that you've gone through from being a kid, getting arrested as a kid, spending all that time in juvenile and jail, and then getting free, and then figuring out that you're talented, and then pursuing this crazy, impossible dream, you know, to where you are now. It's nuts. Sitting on the biggest podcast in the world, my bubble. It's an amazing story.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I mean, it's an amazing, if it was in a movie, you'd have a hard time believing it. That movie's nuts. Yeah, for sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
He definitely knew I heard him talking. Do you have any video of you playing guitar that we could sweat right now?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
Jamie, June 21st, 2025, Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio. Let's fucking go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I was like, Kill Tony's going to fuck in arenas. It's the best show for that kind of an audience. We watch it every Monday on the bus.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
The other thing about Kill Tony was in the beginning, Tony wasn't famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard. And then as everyone got famous, they kept going hard. Whereas it's very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now. And there was nothing like it during COVID. There was nothing like it. You had this live show every week in front of a live audience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
And everybody else is locked down. You have to wear your fucking mask while you're walking your dog. What is going on? No, you're having to bring it. It was also just like this... Rejection of norm. Rejection of whatever people think the comedy industry is. Because people think the comedy industry is some group of people with power that control and give people specials that don't deserve it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
I had to be there. I had to be there. I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd. Is that not crazy? It was crazy. They were doing it in the belly room of the comedy store. It was just like an afterthought. They couldn't do any of the other rooms because they didn't have an audience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2212 - Jelly Roll
There's all this weird... weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it's a completely different experience. And that's what Kill Tony is. There's no business element behind it. There's no networks. There's no producers. There's no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. You can't say that, Tony. There's none of that. So it's just wild.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
That's the thing with the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's a conflict of interest. Right. For sure. And it's just nobody regulated it. They allowed it to happen. It should be, if you're working for the FDA, should never be able to leave and go to a pharmaceutical drug company where you then make incredible amounts of money. That seems like a conflict of interest.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
If you had conversations with these people and they'd say, listen, you're nice to us in a couple of years, golden parachute. You want a yacht? I think you need a yacht. You're a millionaire, which is bizarre that you can do that. It's just as bizarre as the whole insider trading in Congress. You know that a bill's going to get passed. You know this bill's going to affect a stock.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
That's like, I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it's like Holocaust denier is number one. But vaccine denier and election denier are, like, right under there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You gamble high on that stock. The bill gets passed. And you make a lot of money. That seems illegal. That seems illegal. Yes, cheating. That seems crazy. But there's a lot of those things, man. And this system was set up by people. And people are flawed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it's not just that accountability and transparency in terms of like what's actually going on is way different now because our access to information is way different now. Like anybody can just sort of Google budgets and Google this and you find out that and you find out things about the Pentagon and that about this like. There's just – you don't have to look in the New York Times anymore.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You don't have to wait for the news to come on at 5. Now you get it whenever you want it. And that's sort of changed everything with what you can get away with and not get away with. So for the longest time, even though there's rules and the Constitution is set up and the Bill of Rights –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
There's been people that have had a lot of power for a long ass time without a bunch of people looking at them. And now more people are looking at them than ever before. And then you get this guy like Trump comes in like, FBI, they're crooked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And he started looking into it, particularly the MMR vaccines and the correlation between the uptick of all these autoimmune issues, autism spectrum disorders, all these different things that coincided directly with the increase in the vaccine schedule for kids. And so then he starts doing research on it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Dana White made the Trump thing happen, for sure. He was trying to get me to have Trump on in like 2017. Bro, you would hear rumors of that in the distance. Bro, he would call me up. He'd call me up. Joe, listen, the president wants to do your podcast. I go, you mean Trump? You got to change the name of it. What are you doing, man? Why are you trying to get me in trouble?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You know, and back then I was like, I don't want to be a part of this. Too many people were angry. Too many people were pissed off. I was like, I don't need to. And I didn't pay attention to it enough. I didn't pay attention to the way they were misrepresenting things that he had said enough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I didn't really... My wake-up call was when they went after me, when CNN went after me. I was like, yo, this is crazy. You think I'm taking veterinary drugs, bitch?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is the dumb... Also... Why are you upset that I got better quick? Like, what is this about? Like that I took veterinary drugs and got better quick?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You know, it's like not only that, it's just there's no way they didn't know that it was for humans.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
But when I saw that and that was so minor in comparison, the way they've come up to Trump because they come up to Trump with lawsuits and all kinds of crazy shit. And I don't think he's a perfect person. I think he's fun. And I think he's a very competitive guy, which is why he likes playing golf so much. And it's why he wouldn't quit until he became the president again. And he pulled it off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And the best thing that I've heard from people on the left is it's not the result that we wanted, but we hope the country can come together. And I think we should all have that mentality. This idea that we're all separate. We're on Team USA. And I think we should just like all publicly state nobody gives a fuck where you're from, what you do. You're on Team USA. We're all in this shit together.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
That's it. Oh, yeah. That's it. Let's forget about all this identity politics nonsense. But is that going to happen, you think? At least we can put that thought out there instead of everyone's racist, everyone's a Nazi. That ain't helping nobody. You're just pushing people further and further away.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
The people that used to identify as left, they've been forced to these sort of center-right positions just to maintain normalcy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
When you're giving puberty blockers to kids and you're opening up gender affirming care clinics and treating kids like shut the fuck up. You're not on the right side. You think you're on the right side because you think you're being compassionate. What you're doing is crazy to most people and we don't want it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And we think you might be like in a cult like you're it's a giant cult of leftists that think crazy things. And they're allowing all sorts of bizarre things to happen in society, like the no cash bail thing, like things you think are good. Structural racism is why there's so many people in prison. Yeah, but you can't just let people out who shoot people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And the more he does research on it, the more it gets uncovered that there's this gigantic machine that's protecting all of this because there's so much money that's being generated. And most of it has to do with during the Reagan administration, they they gave them immunity to prosecution. So they couldn't there were no longer liable for whatever side effects the vaccines.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You can't just have people robbing people and right back out on the street. You can't have that. You can't have that. You'll have a full deterioration of society and no one will thrive. And you'll be under chaos. You'll be like living in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in just a decade. You can't just keep this trend going. You're going to fall apart.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And it's these idealistic utopian people that want these things to happen, these people that believe that Marxism has never been effectively done properly. But it can be done. There's a version of all of these different communist philosophies that you can imply. There's socialism that could work, right? There's a version of it that can work and make it more equitable for everybody.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
But the end of that is always one thing. It's totalitarian control over what you say and do. Because as soon as you want to redistribute funds, as soon as you want to tell people they can't have things anymore, then you're going to have to take it from them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
The problem with the post office is that there's, like, UPS now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
The last time I saw a post office was the last election. That was the last time I went to a post office.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Isn't that like at least cause for concern, that leap in numbers?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
What is it now, Jamie? Do we know what the official numbers are now?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
The California one hasn't really, I don't know why it hasn't updated more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Most people are waking up to that. That's why if you look at the map of California. There's something new going on. Look at the map of California, red and blue, from 2016 and then look at it from – or rather 2020 and then 2024. There's a giant difference. I mean a giant difference. A giant difference in the amount of counties that went red.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's just the big population centers are always going to be blue. They're in the trance. If you're in San Francisco and if you're in Los Angeles, you're in the trance. Like 70% of those people are in the trance. There's this leftist trance.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's just a few cities. Even California was mostly red. That's what's crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Right, but socially, they're connected to all these ideas. And socially, they're all hyper-liberal. They're socially locked into this mindset. It doesn't allow questioning narratives. It doesn't allow questioning these ideas. So the idea of questioning science was like, there's no way. What, you're a science denier? You could be a science denier.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You couldn't even say like, hey, are you sure that these companies who have been lying their entire careers, they've been fucking hit with these giant criminal penalties for lying. We know they lie. You sure they're telling you the truth about this drug when they haven't? injected giant swaths of the population with it before, but they're going to do it now. And they promise it's going to work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And then they're lying about the promises. They're lying about whether it stops transmission. They never even tested for that. They're lying for whether or not it stops you from being infected. They didn't test for that either.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
But it's just money, man. It's just money. That's what it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, and then, of course, these motherfuckers started giving little kids, little babies that were just born hep B vaccines. What are you doing? You get that from needles and sex.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Because they've used their money wisely to connect it to an ideology. So this is what it is. If you're a vaccine skeptic or a vaccine denier, even if it's not even really a vaccine, I mean, you're calling it a vaccine, but that's kind of a sneaky move because it doesn't really work like a regular vaccine does. It works completely novel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And if you can connect that with the people that's the logical, educated people that are reasonable and convince them that you can't look at it sideways. You can never examine it. You can never question it. You never question whether or not it's even necessary. You just have to go with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You can't question whether or not these other therapeutics that all these doctors have these anecdotal stories about people recovering from these antivirals and trying them. You can't. You got to reject that. That was crazy. Because you have that emergency use authorization thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You are suffering from depression. Cry online a lot, but still. You're not hanging around with us. Come hang out here, man. Come move.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Bro, if you lived in town, you'd be hanging out all the time. I know. You'd feel better. You'd feel better. You need a little community. I know you, dude. You get weird when you're by yourself too long. You get weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You know, you call to check to see if people still like you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I believe that. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I want to make sure we're cool. Oh, I believe that. I'm like, of course we're cool. Like, what are you talking about? What happened? Nothing. Just we ain't talked for a while.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, but I know you, man. So when you call me, I'm like, oh, 3-0 just needs some love. You're out there in the woods by yourself. You can't be alone, man.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
This year's has been so... Doing it by yourself, but you are doing it by yourself, right? So you're doing your podcast by yourself. You're doing your stand-up by yourself. The thing about a club is you're doing it by yourself while everybody else is also doing it by themselves. Right, so you're around the same. But you're hanging out. You're having fun. You're...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
you're charging up your love batteries. That's what it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, you fucked up. It's a joke. What are you going to do? It's a fucking joke.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And then the fucking... Every now and then, Kurt would corner you with them conspiracies, bro. Did he ever get you? Did he get you? Oh, yeah. Bro, he drowned me. He took me in a rabbit hole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
There was an underwater river. He held me under. Bro, he took me to the fucking... I go, Kurt, I don't even remember the original conspiracy theory that led us to this mind control study that I should have known about. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
And he's this giant dude, so he's like looming over you with conspiracies in his fucking crazy eyebrows.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Here's the thing, dude. Until he started working with Jimmy Dore, he's one of a kind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
He's a great dude. He's a great dude. But before he started working for Jimmy, he didn't really have a lot of conspiracies in his head. It was like he got sort of exposed to all that working for Jimmy and doing that show, and he was like, oh, my God, this whole fucking thing is rigged. And then he'd just get rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I feel the same way about Bobby. I don't know him as well as I know Tulsi, though. Yeah, I don't know her. Tulsi's a good friend of mine. I love her. She's great. She's an awesome person. She's like a legitimate, awesome person. That lady, she served as a congresswoman for eight years. And the whole time, she was against this divide of right versus left.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
That dude will send you a text, and if you send him a text back, he will send you a chain of thoughts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, like a scroll. I want to save them. I want to save them. Because that would be a cool, almost like a book to publish. Texts with Kurt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I love how passionate he is about stuff. He's a smart dude, man. Yeah, he's fun. Very, very, very smart dude.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
He's a great person. He's just a nice guy to be around. He's so funny. He is very funny. That's the beautiful thing about the club is that there's so many nice people. Like I said, he charges up your love batteries. That's what we all need in this world. We all need a little more love, a little more fun. And I'm just hoping that Trump doesn't start attacking people. That's what I'm hoping.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I'm hoping that he just – and I know people around him want him to do that. Just concentrate on the positives.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Concentrate on the positives. You've got four years to do all sorts of things that could really benefit people, and then you will be remembered as that guy. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, I think if anybody's going to, it's him, especially now and especially with access to podcasts, right? So if he decides to do your podcast two months after he's in office and you have questions like that, all of a sudden Trump could probably tell you. Whatever, it's not top secret. He could probably tell you. He said he's going to release the JFK files.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
We're going to find out a lot of things. We're going to find a lot of things. We're going to find out whether or not he's going to really keep RFK Jr. as a part of his organization or whether he's going to get pressure from pharmaceutical drug companies or whoever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's not cool. So there's that. And then there's, is he going to release the JFK files? Because he was told that he shouldn't release them. He said some of the people were still alive, which doesn't totally make sense because that was 1963. So most likely, most of those people would be dead of old age. But what does it mean, though, when someone says that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
That means that someone from the government could be implicated in the murder of the president. So if that's true, then would it be that they're worried that it would erode... all confidence in the intelligence agencies? Or are they worried that deeper investigations would take place? And then people start saying, well, what happened with Martin Luther King?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You know, because there was one that Mike Baker, who's a former CIA guy, was saying that one, like he investigated for a show. He goes, that one doesn't make any sense. That guy just started getting money. He was a loser his whole life. All of a sudden he had money. MLK? No, the guy killed him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
James Earl Ray? James Earl Ray. So that guy, Mike Baker broke it down for us. I don't remember exactly, but essentially what he's saying is that that guy was a drifter, was a loser, in and out of jail, that kind of a guy. And then all of a sudden he has access to money, he's staying in a nice place, and he has a gun.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
She was always trying to be cool with everybody. She served overseas. She was deployed overseas in a medical unit, man. So she was helping people that got blown up by the war. Twice. That's where she got that crazy white streak in her hair. Really? Yeah. That all came from the stress of being overseas working in a medical unit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
He thinks that they set him up to kill Martin Luther King and that someone financed that, which is most likely. That makes sense. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Right. Haunted. All you have to do is shave your mustache. Well, that's not him. I'm looking for a guy with a mustache. Where'd he go? Clark can't put on glasses. Where'd he go? He killed my whole family. Where is he? Oh, that guy's got glasses. That can't be him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Bro, imagine how gross it must have been to come to some like fucking weird town. A brothel back then? Weird brothel town with a saloon. And you just smell like shit. You've been riding on the back of a horse for three days and you just wander into this weird fire lit community.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Ugh. Did you know James Earl Ray escaped prison before he supposedly killed? I don't know how it worked out. Oh, really? Yeah. You were saying, get a disguise. He got like a nose job. Oh, boy. But he also got a driver's license, made it to Mexico.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
He attempted to establish himself as a pornographic film director using mail order equipment. Who hasn't?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
You sound like a fucking psychopath. He considered emigrating to Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, where a predominantly white minority regime had unilaterally assumed independence from the United Kingdom in 1965. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
nose job yeah and then went to atlanta and then very quickly started to yeah decided to do what he did yeah it's tough man the heat down there is just fucking ruins everybody does drive people nuts especially we got that cat parasite you know then they're all moving around your head like get them out of my brain
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's really good. It's by the people who made Game of Thrones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's really good, dude. It's totally unique. Like, I don't want to tell you much about it. Yeah, don't say anything. It's science fiction, but it's totally unique. You watch it and you're going to go, oh, shit. At first you're like, what is going on here?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
But after a while you're like, oh, shit. I'm on episode four now. Fuck, dude. And there's not going to be a season two for like three years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
It's so good. And it's just one episode leads into the next one, into the next one. Oh, shit, I can't believe she did that. Oh, fuck, he's dead now. Oh, shit. Off with his head. Fucking, they killed the king in the very first episode. Unreal. Spoiler alert.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Bro, handicapped because that dude was fucking his sister and you didn't want anybody to know. That's crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Your body's, you can't imagine, you know, I was just talking to my friend Bruce about this last night. He was a cop in Austin. We were talking about the amount of death that most police officers see and the stress that has on you. And what he was telling me is you take like a cop that has like 20 years in the job. They, what they see is probably 10 X what the average soldier who's deployed sees.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I think you're never supposed to be fucking your sister. I think that's like back to caveman times.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, that's like people always thought about that with rural communities.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, that's how it certainly works out in the mammal kingdom. Yeah. Like if you have puppies, the boy puppy will fuck his sister. Yeah. 100%. He doesn't even think twice. He'll try to fuck you. They'll try to fuck your leg. They don't even know what they're doing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Isn't it funny? It's crazy. We don't think that about people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Well, I think even if there's not, this is a magical time. It's an interesting time, especially for people like us. They get to talk to so many fascinating people. I mean, we have a really cool job, not just as comics, but also as doing podcasts. I think you've gotten a great education doing that. You seem more introspective. You're more curious about things than I remember before. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
I think it did the same thing to me. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2226 - Theo Von
Right. Yeah. Does that make any sense to you? For sure. I know my brain is filled with shit that I don't need.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You haven't been doing it as long. I've been doing it a lot longer. That's all it is. It's the amount I do, too. It's numbers.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You wouldn't want to educate a child on this library. This is not a library you'd allow everybody to have access to.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's a lot of stuff in my head. I was like, God, I wish I didn't know that about people.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it's just you always concentrate on the worst possible aspects of people. And so if you know so many acts and things that people have done that have been horrific, you're always like the back of your head always has, but maybe that could happen. So it always sits there. It always sits there. If you're a completely... You grow up Amish or some shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're like completely removed from society. You never see any violence. You never see anything. And then all of a sudden you have to go to a bar like downtown Detroit on a Saturday night. You see fist fights and people throwing glasses at each other. You'd be like, what the fuck is this? I'm not ready for this. I'm not prepared for this. You know?
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#2226 - Theo Von
So if you see it too much, even if you don't see it in real life, the worst thing is seeing it in real life. That's what we were talking earlier about cops. Yeah. Cops are seeing it every day in real life. So you just get like super accustomed to seeing people dead, super accustomed to seeing people get injured.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because you're seeing murder all the time. You're seeing car accidents all the time. Suicide all the time. Domestic violence all the time. You're pulling people over. You never know if you're going to get shot. He goes, most of these guys are fucked up because they're just constantly seeing this stuff. Constantly.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yes. Do you think that's possible or not? People don't want to know that we need that. They don't want to kind of believe that you need like masculine, dangerous men to protect you. But that's always been the case. And if you're just looking realistically about violence and crime in the world, it exists. There's no utopian spot. So violence and crime exist.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's only one way you can shield the nonviolent people who aren't committing crimes from the criminals, and that's dangerous men. You need dangerous armed men who are trained and are capable. That's what you need. It doesn't mean they should be running everything. It means you need 100% protection from dangerous people. Then here's the number one thing that nobody addresses.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You got to figure out why are so many people coming out of these same communities year after year after year after year being dangerous where no one's doing shit about it. No one's trying to fix it. No one's trying to enhance it. No one's trying to like... recognize, like, do you know how much income we're losing because these people don't grow up to become productive members of society?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do you know how much damage it's causing if they go on to commit violent crimes and whatever, drug dealing, anything that can come out of that?
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#2226 - Theo Von
And do you know how much of a burden it is on the taxpayer to sort of put them through the criminal system and how much of that could be completely removed if that person grows up and becomes a productive member of society and instead starts contributing to society and it's a success story?
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's not impossible to do, but there's been no effort, no engineering large-scale national effort to completely eliminate these horrible spots in this country and not make everything the same and perfect. That's not possible, but there's a level of poverty that exists in this country that's You should never be that poor if you're a part of a community.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you're a part of a community that takes care of everybody, there's no reason why you have $175 billion to ship to Ukraine, but you don't have any money to make sure that no one exists below a certain level of poverty.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It didn't used to be a radical idea, but it became a radical idea when people started floating about the idea that capitalism is evil. All capitalism is bad. There's all these people that have these utopian notions of how we should run our society.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I think it's going to probably have to be true at a certain point because of A.I., I think we're going to get to some weird point where money seems like it's just ones and zeros. It's just numbers. And it's a bottleneck. The bottleneck of information, right? Because you can't have access to all the information if you have access to all the money. Then where's the money go? That's crazy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But if we get to this point where we evolve past the state we're at now where you can't trust people to not steal your money, where you can't trust people to not lie, where you can't trust people to not manipulate things and try for their own benefit. If human beings can eventually get to a place like that, then I could see a time in our evolved future where we don't need money.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Or when everybody has the same amount, where instead of having this desire to constantly acquire goods and constantly acquire status and prestige in the community, have the bigger house, the bigger car, if that completely goes away and human beings really are one hive mind, I could see where we could equally share resources. But that's like... either a cyborg or a million years in the future.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm talking about where we get past all of our primitive cave people instincts and DNA that I think fucks with everything and is the cause of almost all of our problems.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because our programming is the same. Well, you know, there's some variations that have occurred over time, but reasonably similar, I should say, to people that lived 10,000 years ago.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So if you took a person from 10,000 years ago and you put them in a T-shirt like this and sat them in the movie theater, you wouldn't be able to tell. It would just look like us. Nuh-uh. Yeah. Yeah. So really, you think 100 percent? Yeah. I mean, they might have been smaller because they didn't give as much food, but a little like a small person. Yeah. We wouldn't know. You wouldn't know.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They would look just like us. So if you just put them in a suit and tie and sat them down, that guy would be like, what the fuck? Yeah. And that's basically us.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So that person, if you get a person lives 10,000 years ago, the amount of barbaric incidents that guy's probably seen by the time he becomes an adult, the amount of people he's probably seen slaughtered with swords and spears and seeing people lit on fire. That's all inside of us still. Right.
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#2226 - Theo Von
All that programming of like everybody's the enemy and you've got to protect the fields and protect the – that is all a part of our programming. And as technology increases and as we become more interconnected, that's going to be one of the biggest problems that we face is abandoning these bizarre primate characteristics that we still hold on to.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because they're in our DNA. And they're not managed well. People need to manage them to suppress them.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, no, no. Have I been interrupting you a lot, man? I'm sorry, dude. No, you're awesome, man. What are you doing? Stop doing that. Don't apologize. I think I just hit that piece of it. My kidneys are starting to think. Well, let's wrap it up. We've been doing this for three hours. Have we really? At least. Yeah, it's almost five. Nuh-uh. It's almost five. Oh, man. My man, I love you.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I know I'm always trying to get you to move here, but it's because I think you'd be happier here. And selfishly, I want you around.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Hey, if we open up another mothership, do you think Nashville would be a good spot? Is there enough, would we be fucking with Zany's or do you think we would help it?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do you have enough comics in Nashville? How many comics are in Nashville? There's some. You gotta have like a base, you know, like that want to perform all the time.
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#2226 - Theo Von
We thought about going to the most woke place in Brooklyn, setting up shop. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
wow man i can't believe it's so crazy that i was there to watch the list like the elect just like what a night and was like it was really fun time to watch the election at the club in the green room we're all hopping back and forth off stage like who's winning it was fun man it was so crazy dude drinking diet cokes and just having a good time deal vaughn i love you to death you're one of my favorite people i appreciate you very much
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it does. You do a great job, man. I really love your show. I think you got some great interviews and you got a great, you got a nice way of being yourself, you know, when you're talking to anybody. And that's what I think people really like. They like to see conversations where people are just being themselves. And the fact that you could do that with Trump, That's fun. It's inspiring.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's just conveniently ignored by most people who will never be police officers. And then that was one of the more offensive things about the George Floyd thing. All this defund the police shit where people rose up and were saying defund the police. And I mean, defund the police. And Kamala Harris was one of them. She was out there tweeting defund the police. And because of that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
This is the one I saw Jamie else on this, do you? It's got music to it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Crime just ramped up in certain communities and so many people wanted the police back. But then it's, you know, it's a long process to try to... And to this day, most of these cops don't have good morale. They still have this feeling of defund the police was just a couple of years ago. It's hard to get people to be cops now. They don't want that fucking job. And why would they?
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you think about how hard that job is, like hard jobs should pay more. Yeah, dude. I think if you paid them too much, though, then they just quit. Like, I got enough. I'm out. Yeah, I don't know if he talks. Because what's harder, being a rapper or being a cop? It's fucking way harder being a cop. Oh, yeah. I think, yeah. But rappers get paid way more.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, like the cop could like be saying shit from behind the wheel and you can sample that Yeah sample that and turn them into songs we got
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, but it looks like that pattern. Let me see that again. Yeah, it looks a lot like that, like a transplant. Yeah, micrographs.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Is this cop rap? What is this? Grammy-nominated rapper, Sacramento police officer, records new deployment recruitment video.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I looked. I just figured there could have already been one.
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#2226 - Theo Von
What's that, 51-50? What do you have to do to be a Grammy-nominated? Grammy-nominated doesn't impress me. Like, Grammy-winning, that impressed me. Grammy-nominated, who nominated you?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, a little bit. Well, it's like a safe room. Blocks out the world. Yeah. Conversation only exists inside your ears. You know? Locks you in. I think it locks you in. Yeah. That's what I like about it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Red Clay Strays are great. They're good, huh? Yeah. There's good music out now. It's a good time for music because you could find things so easily. You don't have to wait for the radio. You just find stuff. People send you stuff. Like in the green room all the time, someone will play something. I go, what is this? And they'll shazam it. Like, oh, shit. It's nice.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That Shazam thing, that feature is so huge. Yeah. You know on Google Pixel phones, there's an option to just have it on all the time. So anytime a song is playing, you can look down at your phone and it'll tell you what song is playing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do they still do that? I think that's still a feature. I think it's only on the Google Pixel.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, yeah. Like you open your life. I haven't been sleeping.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Two days in a row, I didn't sleep. The night of the election, I could not sleep. I got home. I was wired. Did you jerk off or not that night? No, no. I just sat in front of the TV. I was watching Professional Pool sitting in front of the TV. I called Dave Smith. Me and Dave Smith talked on the phone at like 3.30 in the morning. Yeah. And then I finally went to bed, and my wife woke up.
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#2226 - Theo Von
She was like, what happened? Who won? I was like, Trump won in a landslide.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then she was up. It was a landslide. It was a crazy landslide. It was the red wave that everybody thought was going to happen in 2022. Hey, Jamie, I'm hearing more and more about what we talked about yesterday, about the amount of people that voted for Biden in 2020. Yeah. Versus the amount of people that voted for anybody in 2016 and for anybody in 2024.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So what I sent you, Jamie, it just shows the entire country. Look at that. Oh, that's interesting. That's crazy. There's no blue states, just blue cities.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That they're still saying it was a giant jump. That's what I see too. A lot of people think it's bullshit. Could be. There's a lot of people that are getting super suspicious about the 2020 numbers because Biden got more votes than anybody by like 20 million. It's really crazy if you look at the chart.
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#2226 - Theo Von
This is the most consequential election I think I've ever felt. For sure.
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#2226 - Theo Von
For sure. The way people felt about it, too. The people on the left thought they were convinced that Hitler was coming. They're convinced that some right wing authoritarian is going to come down and take away all your rights.
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#2226 - Theo Von
A hundred percent. But one hundred percent. Not what he was saying. Not what he did for four years in office. It's all the media. And we're all victim of it a little bit. Because you won't defend him or support him if you hear all these things about him because then you've got to defend the fact that, no, he didn't really do that. He's not really a felon. There were only misdemeanors.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Texas voter turnout falls in 2024 election despite record registration numbers. This is just Texas, right? 61% cast ballots, near 6% drop from the 2020 presidential race.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But the difference in the numbers nationwide is what I'm interested in, because the nationwide numbers, they're pretty consistent, like through the entire, like if you look at 2012, it's consistent with 2016, which is also consistent with 2024. The anomaly is 2020. In 2020- Everything goes way up. Way up.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Could be. Because it was during COVID. Could be a lot of people weren't working, so they did have the opportunity to vote. Voting should be a national holiday.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's crazy that you give some people a complication. Like, imagine if you have a shithead boss. They're like, I got to vote. Why didn't you vote early?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, why don't you go read what that guy did? Let's get rid of Christopher Columbus. They trained it to indigenous people's day. And the indigenous people are like, thanks, after you wiped out 90% of us. Thanks for giving us a day. How about we keep that day? That's fine. But how about we have an election, national election holiday? We could do it one more holiday.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It should be a paid holiday. You should expect to have to pay your employees on the day that election comes because everybody should be able to go vote. That's what it should be. We'll talk to Trump about it, making a nationally mandated holiday.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, cities are always going to be blue. It's normal. There's a lot of factors. One of them is... You have massive populations of people, right? And when you have massive populations of people, a lot of times it's based around universities. Like Los Angeles is slightly different because Los Angeles has universities, but really it's like more around Hollywood, which is equally delusional.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, very crazy. Well, you were one of the first guys to have him on the podcast. Did you have any hesitancy having him on at all? Um...
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, there was a thing that was going on for a while where you were platforming people. This was the idea. Like, if you had on a guy like Trump, you were platforming this bad person. This was this thing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But it's an authoritarian way to regulate conversations that let you know more about people. And it's stupid because people don't want to have a nuanced perspective on anybody. Look, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to Kamala Harris. I'm like, I bet there's a person in there. I bet I can get to that person.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I wanted to find that person. I don't want to hear all the speeches. I don't want to hear, I was raised middle class. I don't want to hear any of that shit. She's a roller skater. You know that? No. I would love to find that out. Yeah. I would love to talk to her about all kinds of shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I literally said, because there was a few restrictions of things I didn't want to talk about, but I said, I don't give a fuck. I'll go get her in here. Whatever you want to talk about. And they want to know if I edit. I'm like, there's no going to be. We're not going to edit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I just wanted to talk. I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you start talking about anything. I'm going to see the pattern of the way you think. I'm going to see the way you process ideas. I'm going to see whether or not you're calculated or whether you're just free. Are you comfortable with you or are you projecting things? She's got 80 different accents.
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#2226 - Theo Von
How do you decide which one to pull out? She busts out different accents depending on who she's talking to. They should have made her talk to a bunch of Chinese folks. I would have loved to hear that accent. I do that too, though.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, she did one with Latinos. We should talk to the Latino acts. I'm like, this is wild. But she's a chameleon. But if you want to be a successful politician, that's probably a good trait. I agree. You know? It's like a comedian that's always on. They kind of get annoying, but if you want to be a comedian, that's probably a good trait.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you want to be a politician, you should probably be able to melt into your environment and sort of meld yourself with whatever these people want you to be.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You know? Yeah. But maybe not. Maybe it's just like the... I always feel like... The environment of debates, the environment of interviews on television, the environment of anything you're doing in front of an audience, it's so fake. It's such a weird way to talk that you don't get a sense of who the person is.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But most big cities are flavored by a university. Like Austin is flavored by the University of Texas.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So, like, when I got to see Trump on your podcast and you were talking about doing cocaine, it makes you like an owl.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was hilarious. It was hilarious. But it was like, you got a chance to see that guy as a person trying to figure out, like, who is this psycho I'm sitting here talking to?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I can only imagine. You talking to him as a person is almost more valuable than any other kind of speeches he does. Because when he's in front of everybody talking, we're going to make America amazing. Those are great speeches. But you don't like she had an amazing speech when I was like she could win was when she had that one speech about Donald Trump, like scared to debate her.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But he says all these things. But you know what? What I always heard, if you want to say something, say it to my face. And the whole place went crazy. And she was laughing. I didn't see that. Oh, so good. It was her best speech for sure. And it was right when they decided that she was going to run for president.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's why Austin is progressive. Austin is, for people that don't know outside of Texas, Austin is one of the most progressive cities. Like if you look at, we voted in Austin, the city of Austin voted more for Kamala Harris than the city of Los Angeles did.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Biden stepped down and she had one banger of a speech. She looked young and energetic and like it really made you feel like this is going to be a change. She was hot. She was younger. She was a smoke show.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I understand what you're saying. But, like, that one speech was almost enough for her to win. And if she just didn't talk other than speeches... But they needed to do a better job with the speeches because every speech was the same. And the problem with that is we were talking about this, like the internet. You get to see that speech over and over again online.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But it's like if someone goes to see your act. They don't understand acts, to develop a bit, it takes months and months and months to really put it together where it's rock solid. And you're going to do it the same way or slightly different every night. And if someone comes to see you and goes, Theo's so full of shit, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Exactly. So that's what they feel about a presidential candidate that's telling the same speech over and over. Well, hey, you're not supposed to go see all those speeches. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He does, but not in the same order. It's like going to see a Grateful Dead show. It's all over the place. You know, he's... When Trump gets out there, he just does... Did you see? He had this long-winded speech about the rocket. That was insane, dude. I'm like, you just won the presidency. Edit that down. You can edit that down. That could be two minutes. Beautiful lines.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I was worried about that in the very beginning of the podcast before we got cooking. When he was talking about Lincoln's bedroom, I was like, oh, boy. Like, where is this going?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, it is? No, he was talking about the one that's in the White House.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Really? A higher percentage of Democrats voted for Kamala Harris than even Los Angeles.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, that was a good move. Pretty cool. He had big-ass hats back then.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's a good move. That's a good move. It's like credit cards behind your phone, that kind of thing. Except if you lose your phone, you lose everything. But you ain't losing that big-ass hat. That was fucking long, dude. They did crazy, man. You ever see how many dudes wore fancy hats back in the day? That shit just went away. It did.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Imagine if you were a kid and you were growing up in a hat family. You're like, our family makes hats, bro. I'm balling forever. I'm going to take over this business. And then no hats. If you watch, there's a great outside boxing match in Reno, Nevada between Jack Johnson and I think it's Jim Jeffries. Jim Jeffries? Yes. Not that guy. Another one. Not the comedian.
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#2226 - Theo Von
James Jeffries. So see if Jack Johnson versus, this is it. Who killed the people with that Kool-Aid or whatever? There's a video of all these folks that are walking to the event and every man has a fucking hat on, dude. Wow. Look, they all have hats. Look, they all have fancy hats. Look at all these guys. They're taking off their hats, waving their hats. Men left the house with a fucking hat on.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at this. Wow. Dude, they all have these fancy hats. What happened? They're all dressed up nice with fancy hats. First of all, good luck seeing anything outside the Republican National Convention with that many people on the streets dressed up in suits. That's it. It's the only time you're ever going to see this. These are like regular men walking on the streets.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Everybody had fancy hats on and a nice button-up shirt and a suit jacket. That's Jim Jeffries right there.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He was a bare-knuckle boxer back in the Dizzee. And he was still famous back then.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Isn't that cool? So they built this outdoor stadium to watch Jack Johnson beat the fuck out of Jim Jeffries. That's how it goes. Jim Jeffries was trying to make a comeback. He was a little bit older. Back then, bro, boxing would go until someone died. Yeah. They would have, I mean, what's the most rounds they had back then? They were crazy. It was like 80 rounds or something.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like what's the longest old school boxing match ever, Jamie? I think they had some insane amount of rounds.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at this. The greatest number of rounds was 276. Wow. In a four-hour and 30-minute fight when Jack Jones beat Patsy Tunney and Cheshire in 1825. Holy fuck, dude. Introduced in 1867, each round of a fight would last until someone was knocked down. Oh. Bro, bro, 276 rounds is so crazy. That's when you get all your CTE in an IV bag. You don't have to swallow vitamins.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, they're feeding off of narratives like you're a good person if you believe this. But the consequences are what they're ignoring. The pretending that the economy is in a great place. That's crazy. Talk to anybody who's broke. Talk to anybody who's struggling to pay for bills and groceries. Talk to anybody who's trying to buy a car. The economy is bananas right now. It's sketchy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You just get your CTE just hot pumped into your fucking brain. I'm just joking, Brendan.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, my God. At New Orleans, that's where it was. In 18, well, he lived to 94. He lived to 1867 or 1867. Oh, because in 1893, it lasted 110 rounds. Oh, my God. Seven hours and 19 minutes. It was declared a no contest, later changed to a draw. Dude, most people couldn't go that long without even looking at their phone, dude. Much less having to fend off a guy. How about having to take a shit?
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're in the middle of a 200-round fight. You have to take a shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I would bet it would affect your punching power if you just waddle around and shit. Oh, of course.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It would be so soft. You need to tighten all that up if you're going to throw a good punch. Like your ass cheeks tighten because you kind of use your legs as you thrust forward. You really can't shit and punch not effectively. You're going to lose that round. Yeah, we cracked the code, bro. Yeah, we cracked the code. You're going to lose that round. So I guess they probably just pissed themselves.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I know guys who shit themselves in the UFC. Multiple guys. It breaks my heart. I believe Tim Sylvia shit himself in a fight once. Who else? Someone came out there. Michael Chiesa looked over at me once while I was doing commentary, and I think he got called. It was perhaps one of those situations where the fight before ended quicker, so he didn't get as much warm-up time as he wanted. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then all of a sudden he's running out there, and he looked at me. He goes, dude, I'm about to shit my pants. I go, really? He goes, yeah, I'm about to shit my pants. And he won. He went out there and won first round submission. Phew. Because he had to. Because he had to. Yeah. Dude, there's another. So is this the fight? Oh, is this another guy who shit his pants?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Five fighters who pooped their shorts. Yeah, it happens, dude. This guy shit himself a little bit. Dude, I would shit myself if I had to go in there. So that's crazy. Tim Sylvia definitely shit himself. Randleman shit himself. I like that. It happens, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
She shit her pants too. Justine Kitsch, congratulations. I bet dudes would pay a lot of money for that on OnlyFans. You sell them shitty drawers. And that's Mark Goddard right there. Call time out, brother. You just stepped in it. Oh, is that what it is? That's the poop? Oh, no!
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#2226 - Theo Von
Imagine if you're, like, face down, if someone's putting you in a rear naked choke, and they didn't clean the mats that good, and the person before shit all over the place. You get pink eye while you're getting your ass kicked.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Benoit Saint-Denis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it? Yeah, he beat up Benoit Saint-Denis and knocked him out.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That was after that. He lost to Islam. That was in Jersey.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So he fought Benoit Saint-Denis, then he gets a title shot against Islam.
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#2226 - Theo Von
A lot of it is recovering from COVID, I'm sure. I mean, there's probably a lot of blowback from that. I mean, they shut the whole fucking country down, which is just so nuts.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm going to see him in a couple weeks. He's coming out here. Joey is going to start staying out here for months at a time. He wants to get a place downtown in the club.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Every time he comes, he's like, I got to come out of here, dog. I'm like, come on. We'll make it easy for you. I'm like, we'll make it easy for you. You tell me when you want to come. We'll fly you out, put you up, whatever you want. I'll get you a real estate lady. Let's get the party started. And I'm trying to bring back the church of what's happening now.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because him and Lee Syatt, they were together when they were at the club together. And I'm like, come on. Let's get the band back together. You guys together were fucking amazing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That show, Joey Diaz's show, was one of the most ridiculous, silly, preposterous shows. It was so ridiculous. And then he went to New Jersey, and here's the problem with Joey in New Jersey. he loves New Jersey, he loves New Jersey people, he needs comedians. And you forget that until you're not with them. And then you're like, oh, this ain't no fun.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's nice. I like talking to all kinds of people, obviously. But I need comedians in my life. Like, I need vitamins. Like, I need a certain amount of sunlight to get some vitamin D. I need comedians. It's too, like, that night that we had in that green room watching the elections, How many jokes were cracked? How many fucking times did we rag on Tony? Oh, dude. We talked Tony off the ledge.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He was fucking losing his mind. They tried to label him as a speaker. They said he was a speaker. A speaker that was at the Trump rally?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dude, the simple fact that Obama's talking about Tony Hinchcliffe is crazy. Bro, Obama's doing a Tony Hinchcliffe bit. There's a video of us at the mothership. What is going on? We played it yesterday, but I want to play it again, Jamie. Play the video. It's on my Instagram of Tony is on stage in the main room. By the way, Tony goes on stage. It's like Richard Pryor just showed up. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They were going nuts. He murdered. He has 35 minutes on it. He's on stage.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So this guy was on Fox talking about Tony on one TV while Tony was on stage on the TV monitor.
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#2226 - Theo Von
We did it. He was so nervous because here's what was going to happen. If he lost, you know, so the way these news organizations work, they have outlines for stories. If Kamala wins, they have outlines for stories. If Trump wins, if if Trump lost, they were going to blame it on Tony.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Mm-hmm they had stories where they're gonna blame it on that joke and they were gonna say that that joke turned the tides and made people realize the Trump organizations filled with Nazis and racists and and they were gonna blame Tony and Tony would have been Fucked because then the Trump supporters would have thought that too, right?
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#2226 - Theo Von
They don't get along that well. In fighting, there's always been a giant rivalry between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, man. For sure.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, you know, there's no prouder group of boxers, I think, in the history of Earth than Mexican boxers.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Mexican boxers are known for a specific style. Like if someone says you fight like a Mexican, dude, that's a huge compliment.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Mexicans like Julio Cesar Chavez, you know, fucking... Canelo Alvarez, Oscar De La Hoya. You can go down the line. Morales. Fuck, man. There's so many. Manuel Marquez. So many, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, there's a culture of boxing there that goes back so far. With boxing, it's always people that are poor that want to weigh out. And one of the best ways out, if you're a poor young man- Punch your way out. If you can fight, you can make millions. Like Canelo, like Julio Cesar Chavez, like- So it's like the history of people rising through boxing. But there's a similar history in Puerto Rico.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, not just that. When people are resorting to crime. This administration did that I think is terrible. And this is a progressive liberal thing, is that you have these DAs, these George Soros-funded DAs that just let people out for violent crime. And get the no cash bail thing. And when there's no repercussions for crime, guess what? Crime goes way the fuck up.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Puerto Rico has a history, a great history of boxing, too. Really? But there was always a rivalry between Mexico and Puerto Rico.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You should go see Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. It might be the last boxing match ever.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, they were wearing cups. There's a protector that boxers wear that's different than the protector that MMA fighters wear. So the protector that boxers wear is foam that covers the front of your hips and things too.
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#2226 - Theo Von
This is what I believe. I believe really, truly, to my core, that they made an agreement where Mike Tyson was only going to hit him to the body full blast. It looked like every time he hit him to the head, he was kind of pulling back.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It seemed like a fight to the body, though. Mike was hitting him to the body really hard. And I think he hurt Roy a bunch of times really hard to the body. But, you know, both of these men are 50. Roy, in his day, I maintain to this day, was the greatest boxer I've ever seen.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Roy Jones, in his prime, was a freak. Like, I mean a freak, where he wouldn't even throw jabs. He would throw a lead left hook. He would favor that over a jab. But it was as fast as a jab. And people couldn't understand it. Yeah. Because you'd never been in a ring with someone that fast. Have you heard of Roy Jones' highlight reel of KO's? You ever watch, like, Roy Jones' news in his prime?
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#2226 - Theo Von
They were executions, son. It was like Mike Tyson in his prime, but a different thing. In fact, in a Nas song, Nas says the new Mike Tyson's Roy Jones. Wow. Roy Jones was just executing people. He was so much faster than anybody. His timing was so good.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, I don't know. Maybe Roy would just put it out quick. Just pop you on the chin.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Both of them would knock you out quick. You think? Yeah. And this is his one fight with Roy Jones with Vinny Pazienza. It was the only fight in copy box history where the opponent didn't land a single punch. Wow. A single punch. This was like when Roy was trying to get the referee to stop the fight. Before that, Roy signaled to the referee, stop the fight.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And the referee said no, and then Roy goes like this. He's like looking at Vinny, sorry, I got to do this. I've never even seen that. He just lights it up. Bro, he was so good in his prime. But like all fighters, they stay past their prime, and people really only remember them for when they lost.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You went to watch him just to see how long guys would last. That's what you would watch, to see what he would do to guys.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Did you really? Yeah. He's a big fisherman. He dropped his hands, put them behind his back, and knocked the guy out. Lured the guy in and hit him with one straight right hand and dropped him. He would just be toying with dudes.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Roy was so good. He was so good. And everybody that went in there. He cooked that brother right there. There's a thing that happens when a guy's going to fight. You would see it with Anderson Silva. Who is that, Bill Cartwright? Who's he fighting? I don't know. Some dude is in real trouble. They should have stopped this fight already. That dude did not need to take those other two punches.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm going to get out there. You're going to go to jail and you're just going to get released.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No. Probably not. But that just shows how disorganized that meeting was.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like if you go trout fishing in the lake. Yeah. I mean, a little bit. You're a fly fisherman. You used to be a cop. Now you're a fly fisherman with barbless hooks. You just have a pair of Nikes on the hook. You just put them out there. Yeah, those fishermen, they use barbless hooks. And then they let the fish go. I went fly fishing recently. Yeah? Yeah, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But I think when you get to a certain level of your career, you've got to say no to things that are outside of comedy. If you're just coming up and someone says you want to go speak in front of the president, go out there. Make a mark, soldier. Give it your best.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But if you're Tony Hinchcliffe and you just did the Tom Brady roast, Kill Tony's the number one comedy podcast in the world. You have millions and millions of downloads every week. Don't do that. It's just too comedy. You're really good. I just was trying to tell people if you saw those same jokes on stage, he kills fucking crushes. It's just the worst environment ever for it. Lights are bright.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No one knows a comedian. He goes up cold. No one goes on after him. There's like his big ass pause after him. The whole thing was like organized terribly, terribly. Just complete disorganization. It was like, there was the Trump speech, which is the big thing. Like, what do we do with all the extra time? Like, let anybody talk. Who wants to talk? This guy owns a fucking sandwich shop.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Let him come up there. Yeah, look, it's my friend Giovanni. Like, let anybody in there. They were letting people that were saying wild stuff, too. Oh, they were letting anybody in there. And it didn't seem like they vetted a lot of the speeches.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dude, whenever you get an organization, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, you got to kind of like appease everybody. And you got psychos and moderate people. And they're all together under this one banner of this one. Like, have you ever been on a sports team? There's always like one dude on the team that's a fucking psychopath, right? Oh, yeah. Dude, don't cause any fights.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. Well, sometimes they're not making the best decisions. People don't, man. You get hit in the head a lot. People don't, man. Especially football players, bro. You get hit in the head a lot, you're going to make some sketchy-ass decisions.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Right. Nobody got angry at people. They made fun of people for supporting Kamala Harris. We made fun of Dave Bautista because it looked just so silly. performative commercial where it's really important to vote for Kamala and Tim Walz. Is he Minuta? The wrestler. The guy from Guardians of the Galaxy. You know who I'm talking about. Big Jack dude. He's trying to get movies, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He's wearing pearls to red carpet events. I know what you're doing. You're trying to get those movies. For what, though? You're an artist. You're sensitive. You're on the right side. He wants to be a lead in a movie. He wants to be a movie star. Then fucking turn on your camera at a house and make something. Dude, I'm telling you, it's the right move. What he's doing is the right move.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Even if he's faking it. You mean for Hollywood, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wear the beads. Wear pearls. That softens you up a little bit. Lose some weight. Lost a bunch of weight. Talk shit about Trump. He's allowed to be like a tough guy talking shit about Trump. Did you ever see that Jimmy Kimmel sketch they did? We called Trump a whiny bitch. You ever seen it?
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#2226 - Theo Von
He was a big-time wrestler, was a giant dude, like fucking built like a superhero. And then he went and did Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, yeah, with Chris Pratt. Yeah. He's a big, giant wrestler, dude.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But he wants to be a movie star, so he's losing some weight. He's a good actor, too, man. He was good in that... What was that movie? The Glass... The Glass Onion, yeah. That was a great movie. He was really good in that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you're a big, giant dude, and you're a big, muscle-bound, giant dude, and you want to do serious roles, you kind of got to lose some weight. And you kind of got to support Kamala Harris. You kind of got to wear pearls. You kind of got to soften your stance. You got to kind of like... be performative that you're the guy that they would want to pick. Cause that's like part of the battle.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But it's like, you know what he's doing. Yeah. Trying to become a movie star. It's a good move. The Hollywood liberals 100% love that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, some people do. that work in Hollywood, I'm sure, don't like white men, but that's the thing about woke culture. It's like there's a hierarchy of the injustices that you have faced. White men, even if it's not you, which is where it gets prejudiced, because if it's not you, white men over history have caused the most grief. They've caused the most trouble.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They've been responsible for the most injustices in this country, at least. You know, slavery, red line laws. Other people help with slavery.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Right. But in America, slaves were exclusively owned by white people. In other countries, they're owned by all kinds of people. This is where it gets weird.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, what people don't understand is there's more slaves today than there have ever been.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's more slaves today than there were before 1865 when slavery was abolished in America.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Nope. There's more slaves. In Libya, when we took down Libya and the rebels killed Gaddafi on television, did you ever see that?
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's one of the most terrifying videos. What channel was it on? C-SPAN. But Libya became, for a while, became like a failed state. And at one point in time, there were slave auctions in Libya that you could watch on YouTube.
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#2226 - Theo Von
How crazy is that? Like, Google the actual numbers. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a real statistic. And this is also one of the things that people are terrified about with this border deal. Because one of the things about the border, it's not as simple as people coming over and they want a better life. Of course. But it's also people being exploited.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And there's tens of thousands of kids that are missing. Who knows if they've been smuggled into child trafficking. There's who knows how many people have been. Okay, hold on a second. It says estimates range from about 38 to 49.6 million people are slaves today. The number of enslaved difficult people is difficult to determine. Estimates range from 38 to 49 million. What? Uh-huh. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, you have to include people that can't leave, even if they're not in cages. People that are trapped, right?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, no. I would talk like people that work in coal mines or cobalt mines in the Congo. They're essentially slaves. I mean, they give them the minimal amount of food and water. They work in horrific conditions, and they live in complete abject poverty.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Perhaps. Well, they're all getting poison. They're all getting poison pulling that cobalt out of the ground.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Probably not a good lunch, I would imagine. Either way, yeah, you could find other spots that suck worse. But the point is, like, those people you could kind of consider slaves. And then there's real slavery. You know, this friend of mine was telling me about this place that was built in Jamaica or the Bahamas. I think it was the Bahamas.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And they brought in Chinese workers in like this giant ship. And he said they had this patch of land. They put up a fence around the land. And all the Chinese workers lived on that land. And the Chinese workers built this resort there. And they worked nonstop 24 hours a day. They built the whole thing in 18 months. They would just have shift after shift.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And once it was completed, they took all the workers, put them back in the boat, put them right back to China. So what was that? Was that slaves? That's slavery. I mean, it seems like slaves. It seems like unless they paid those people an exorbitant amount of money, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what the arrangement was. But they put a fence around the area.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They brought people in a giant ship, and then they put them back on the ship and shipped them back to China. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I agree. Did you see Prop 6 in California? What is that? It's on the screen.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Prop 6 prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude. And it did not pass. What? What? Wait a minute. What? In California? Yeah. Proposed amendment to California's constitution would bar slavery in any form and repeal a current provision allowing involuntary servitude as a punishment for crime.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, it has to do with carrying people to work in prisons and they have to fight the wildfires and stuff.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Interesting. So they want him to have to work. Wow. They just don't want to pay. Yeah, that's California. But that is what happened, right? That was what the Jim Crow laws were all about, man. Like one of the things about slavery is slavery didn't end. Boom. Now let's get black people jobs.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, slavery ended, and then there was this long period where black men would get arrested for anything and everything.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then they'd be forced to work. And they had work camps. And so you were still— It was the same thing. You could just get caught, and you'd be a slave. You'd get a bad cop decides you're speeding. Whatever it is, you're a slave.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, you're looking at people bad. You're verbally intimidating people, whatever the fuck it is. You see when someone wants to target you for something, you pissed off the wrong people, they fucking come after you with the law. And they can get you if they just decide that you shouldn't be free and we're just going to... There's an industry around slave labor, which there is.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, the least sophisticated form of fishing is like a bobber with a worm on it. Yeah. Right? That's the least. You throw it out there. But that's some of the most fun fishing because that bobber starts moving. You're like, oh, shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's also an industry now around keeping people in prison, right? Because the prisons are private. So it's a private corporation owns this building where you lock people up for money. You get paid for them being there. Who gets paid? The private prison. There's contracts with the state.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Prison is owned by a corporation. So it's a business.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So they lobby to make sure that laws stay on the books. One of them is marijuana. So the prison guard lobby. They were trying to make sure that marijuana stays illegal so that more people stay in prison. Because the more people in prison, the more jobs they have, the more hours they have, the better benefits they'll have. And the prison wants as many people in jail as possible.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because they get money. That is how they make money. Wow. Yeah. Who makes the money? It's not the government? No. Well, in some jails, but there's private prisons. What are the percentage of private prisons? I know we've looked this up, but I forget the number.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dear God, bro. Bro, I heard Circus Circus is going down. That's the ultimate. Circus Circus is like, how is this place legal? At the end of 2022, 8% of the total state and federal prison population in the United States was in private prisons. What? Yep. Which is about 90,873 people. This makes private prisons a relatively small part of the correction system, which is mostly public.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Which, by the way, is even crazier. How about the fact that 90,000 people in jail is a small percentage? Wow. We have more people in jail than any other country. Do you know that?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I need something. What's going on, man? What's happening, Steve? It's been a long week, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, you're successful. You're handsome. I don't understand it. I don't understand it either. This one's so bad. It stinks.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, bro. This one is so strong. I haven't even opened this yet. Sniff it. It's not even open yet.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Shout out to my friend John Reeves who gave me this knife. This knife is made with...
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#2226 - Theo Von
What are you doing with a vape with no nicotine? Just faking it?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Before I bust out these smelling salts, son. These are, oh, my God.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Bro, this one I'm smelling from over there. Here we go. Oh, my God.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Let's get this. You feel me? Get it. Get it. Oh, Lord, right?
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's PBR shit. Let me get one more. Don't be scared. I like it. I like it. Oh, Lord. I can't leave you alone out there in two land. I got to get a dose in myself.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If every time you did this and you left here and you felt like you couldn't remember things well, would you still do it? Do that? Yeah. Yeah, I would. If you would lose, like, a little bit of memory, like, where's my keys? Nothing serious. Like, remember your name. You know, still remember your phone number. But you, like...
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#2226 - Theo Von
So if you have control, like, so you have anxiety and you're worried about things. And so in order to kind of mitigate that, you do a little bit of damage to yourself. So you have control over the damage.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, I know what you're saying. Self-destructive tendencies is a big part of addiction.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Afterward you're like shit that was dumb, but in the moment that feels like at least I'm taking control of the situation I think sometimes you spend too much time alone Me personally yeah, I think it's probably true Yeah, I think knowing you and being your friend for many years now I think when you struggle is when you buy yourself too much Yeah, because when you're with everybody else everybody loves you we all have fun together so
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#2226 - Theo Von
I've said it before and I'll say it again. We need that, especially us, especially comedians. We need to be around people that are just like us. You don't have to worry. We can just talk shit and laugh and have fun. There's no wondering where we stand with each other. It's always fun. You need a home base, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You were doing better when you were at the comedy store all the time because you were around us all the time. We were all around each other. We knew there was a place we could go where we could find like-minded people and have a laugh.
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#2226 - Theo Von
on a regular basis which is like we're so fortunate most people don't have a place where they can go where they're guaranteed to see people that they love and you're gonna have a good time and just be silly with each other and then you're watching all these sets everybody's going on stage with that energy and so there's all this killing in the air
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it's good to be crazy because you're busy and you're doing great stuff. Yeah, it's been fun. Your podcast is killing it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, well, I appreciate what you're doing. I'm very, very proud of you. I'd love to see how much you've worked at it and how your podcast just keeps growing in the ranks. It's really good, man. It's a perfect podcast in that it's really you. You know how to be you. You're real authentic. Even if you're talking to Trump, you're being you.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're talking about doing cocaine with former President Trump or now newly elected President Trump.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, I think these kind of conversations are very good for you. Like conversations that you're having, conversations that I'm having. I think they're good for you. You get a chance to communicate with people that are, you know, really interesting, unique people that have lived completely different lives than you. I got Brian Cox on the other day explaining the universe to me.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Fucking, I could, I was like a kid in a candy store. It's like, it's so exciting to get this guy's just like, super intelligent person who's also a really good communicator who could break down the fabric of the universe for you and what we know about it. I mean, like, when does anybody ever get that opportunity to sit down and talk to someone like that for three hours?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Who do you think she voted for? That's a good question. I don't know. Whoever I grabbed by the pussy, probably that guy. Do you know that crazy cat ladies, that there's a reason for that? It's the same reason that, like, it's a cat parasite. Toxoplasmosis.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Makes you aggressive. Oh, man. No, it makes you aggressive. Yeah. I bet a lot. Like, that's that term, cat lady, crazy cat lady, that's a real thing. That lady's got a parasite. She's got a brain parasite. Toxoplasmosis.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, I bet I could test them. Get a cheek swab. Hold that lady down. Give me a cheek swab. I guarantee you that lady's got it. Oh, that lady. I used to live with a dude, bro.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But before that, I lived with this dude, and he would get really... Imagine you're that lady in the apartment next door, and you hear a saw. Some dude's cutting a hole into your fucking apartment. Yeah, man, I just... That's the crazy thing about apartments, right? What's the crazy thing about cocaine? Apartments have nothing to do with it, bro. I've been up for fucking 42 hours on drugs.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You want to hear something crazy? Trump, at the day of the election, Dana White told me he'd been up for 72 hours. Unbelievable. I go, how is that possible? He goes, dude, he's a freak.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I mean, the guy gets up and says, fight, fight, fight, after he got shot in the ear. He's not freaking out. He's like, oh, my God, I got shot. Get me out of here. They're shooting. He looked. He goes, no, no, stop, stop.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And if you're lying about him, and I know you're lying about him, why am I supposed to trust you that you're lying for a good reason? If you keep repeating these same hoaxes, they keep repeating. Obama was repeating it in one of his speeches. He said about those white supremacists, they're very fine men on both sides. That's not true. It's not true.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But why do they hate white guys? It's just woke things, man. It's just virtue woke bullshit. I just don't understand it. Well, because the hierarchies have experienced a polar shift. Okay? So here's what it is. If you go back to the 1960s. The kind of racism that people faced like before the race riots and all that was horrific because it's just 100 years removed from slavery ending.
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#2226 - Theo Von
What's that fucking dude's name? The chubby dude that dressed up like the devil and everybody got mad. He's a singer. Sam. What's that? Sam Smith. Sam Smith. Yeah. He... He said he wanted to be a fisher them. Oh, God. Not a fisherman, a fisher her, a fisher she. A fisher them. Yeah, that's wild. The they them thing, that's the best evidence you need that people are out of their fucking minds.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And the echoes of that. Oh, it's still in our genes. Yes. But the echoes of that were much more. Much more prevalent then. And so black people were heavily discriminated against. Gay people were heavily discriminated against. People recognize that that's wrong. Young people go to universities. They get taught that it's wrong. They recognize the sins of the past. And then they overcorrect.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And by overcorrecting, now you favor people that you think have been previously marginalized. So you give people – like Vivek calls it the tyranny of the oppressed. Right. So the oppressed, the previously oppressed now have a social hierarchy. They're a higher level. If you're a black trans woman, you get to say the things first at the meeting. Let the black trans woman talk.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's a hierarchy in all woke culture. And if you are a white male who's heterosexual, you have to be non-binary because otherwise you can't get in. You got to be a they-them because then now, okay, now you're marginalized. All you have to do is change your approach. That's the lowest level of entry is non-binary straight man. You just say you're non-binary.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You just say, I just don't feel like a man or a woman. Meanwhile, you fuck chicks. You know what you're doing, you little chameleon.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're sneaking around. But there's hierarchies. And gay people, because gay people have been previously oppressed. Gay people weren't even allowed. Even in 2013, up to then, Hillary Clinton and Obama both said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. We have to realize that this was like 11 fucking years ago. That was their political talking points.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Marriage should be between a man and woman. So now kids realize how stupid that is. Young kids generally have a much better sense of the errors of the past than we do. Unless we're paying attention as we get older, we pay more attention to what's going on before. But now kids immediately are aware of how fucked up.
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#2226 - Theo Von
colonial society has been, how they've conquered North America, killed the indigenous people. So they want to, like, re-correct things.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But you would have to figure out like who owned it like at that time and give it back to them. And then you would have to let all those other people try to kill them and get it back. Because if you want to go back to the old ways, that's the old ways. You want to go back to when the Comanche ran Texas. Like, okay, good luck. But you know what the Comanche's favorite thing was doing?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Raiding other tribes. They loved that. They were gangbangers. Yeah, they were gangbangers. They would show up in other tribes and slaughter people. And they wouldn't just slaughter people. They would torture them. They would cut their arms and legs off, throw them on a pile of fire. Nobody ever surrendered, ever, because they knew that there was no leniency. You're going to be tortured and killed.
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#2226 - Theo Von
The concept of surrender was completely alien to Native Americans.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They fought to the fucking death. And they fought each other to the death. And there was battles between all of them. And they conquered and they made alliances and, you know, especially Little Bighorn. They all got together and fucked up Custer. But there's so many different tribes that conquered so many different. And then you'd have to go back to when. Right.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're like, well, you got it because you killed all these people. Let's go back to the Algonquins. Let's give it to the fucking Apaches. Let's get like you'd have to figure it out, man. Like this was. Yeah, this was a gigantic dream catcher to get the truth. This was really like in some ways other than the violence. It was like a utopian existence.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was these people followed the buffalo around, ate every part of it, used their skins to make their houses, traveled on horseback following them around. They didn't even make art, dude. The Comanche didn't make art. They didn't make anything. Why, they were just warriors? Just warriors eating meat. All they did was eat buffalo and kill everybody else.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, that was the way they lived. You know, I mean, is that better than drone bombs in Yemen? You know, when we sit here comfortably in this fucking Austin warehouse, is it better? Is that better? No. The whole thing is fucked. It's fucked that Gaza's going on. It's fucked that they're using these poor Ukrainians like fucking meat for the Russian war machine. The whole thing's crazy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's all bad. But the crazy that was going on back then was a one-on-one crazy. It's a different kind of crazy. It was like there was an understanding that if you saw somebody and they had horses or they had these, you're going to go kill them and take that thing from them.
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#2226 - Theo Von
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#2226 - Theo Von
And if you knew that there was a camp and the camp was over the top of the ridge and they would be in bed at night, you would come in the middle of the night and slaughter everyone. And they did that to each other. They did that to each other. So it was a horrific way of existing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And most of them got killed by fucking smallpox. That's what's the crazy. Oh. Most of them got killed by the flu and all sorts of diseases that came over with the Europeans. How gay must that have felt, dude?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Some dude sneezes on you at the depot. You go to the trading depot to drop off some fucking skins. Some dude sneezes on you, and that's a wrap. Yeah, you're like, you've been training all day, dude. And some guy just fucking doesn't wash his feet for half an afternoon. Or just came here off a boat. Stinky bitch was breathing shit air and drinking shit water. You know?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like, can you imagine the hygiene on those boats? Oh, Columbus's ship?
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's like, there's an example. Columbus is an example. Could you have done it? I mean, probably if you lived back then, that would have been the thing to do because you would have been bored. But you're in the, it's early morning, couple guys show up. You would want to try to see what it looks like to go across the ocean.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you're a young man and you just needed something in your life and you knew the dudes did it and you just eat beef jerky for three months and you make it across the ocean and when you get to the other side, there's gold everywhere. They didn't even know where they were.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But if you read the accounts, there was a priest that traveled with them, some sort of religious man that traveled with them.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like a detailed diary of the horrific things that Columbus's men did. They bashed babies on the rocks. Nuh-uh. Yeah, they told certain men that they had to give them their weight in gold, and if they did, they would chop dudes' arms off in front of everybody. They enslaved these people and used them for their gold because these people had no use for gold. They didn't know how valuable gold was.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Exactly. Wow. Exactly. Yeah. They just slaughtered people. They just slaughtered people, dude. There's horrific depictions of what Columbus's people did.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it's just humans have always done this to each other for all of human history. The strong groups of men with weapons invade people that aren't prepared and they take all their stuff and they conquer them. It's always happened. It's the most common thing. If you go back and look at history, there's a bunch of common things.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's an increase in the complexity of architecture and the design of the cities. There's machines. All these different things improve. But along the way, the consistent thing is war. It's constantly happening from the beginning of time, as early as we know, tribes were battling other tribes.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And back then, when there wasn't that many people, wasn't that many resources, and you were competing to see whose genes spread, it's just natural. You develop tools and weapons, and then that's ingrained in our fucking DNA. So here we are in 2024 with iPhone 16s and Starlink, and we're still locked into this tribal war mindset because that's how humans evolved.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And that's the scariest thing about being alive today is that we're so advanced, we're so much more civilized than at any other point in human history. And yet, same amount of people, if not more, are dying senselessly all the time.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, well, the part of it is war, right? And other parts of the world are not as calm as us. You know, there's parts of the world that are very fucking dangerous.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They're the... There's places in the world where you can't go without getting robbed or shot.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Isn't that where Elvis came from? And he left. Has it changed? Where's Graceland?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Where Tom Hanks plays the colonel. You didn't see that one?
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#2226 - Theo Von
With that dude, what is his name? Austin? Colonel Winters? What's the fellow's name that played Elvis? Austin Butler. Austin Butler is really good, man. Yeah, that was good. He fucking, he nailed it. He was really good. You really believed that he was Elvis, right? What a crazy story. Yeah. Elvis was the first guy to get way too famous. The first guy that was just way too famous.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Constantine. I think Jesus got his rep, like, he got his real appreciation after he was gone. Yeah. You know, sort of like Kurt Cobain.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I mean, people loved Kurt Cobain while he was alive, but I think they really appreciated him after he was dead. There's certain guys.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm not doing shit. I'll be dead. All right. We'll see about that, huh? We'll see about that. That's what's interesting. Imagine if you really do go to heaven and St. Peter really is there with a book. You're like, this is crazy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's like trying to get in a hide or whatever. You're the most enlightened being ever, but you walk around with a robe on. Robes are stupid. I never want to wear a robe. Even if I have to go to like a massage place, you got to wear a robe before you take the robe off. I'm like, okay, you're going to see me in my underwear in five minutes. So why don't we just do it now? It's flirting.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's lingerie. A robe. Yeah, dude. A robe is just male lingerie. Why would God be wearing a robe with a rope tie? Bro, don't you know about pants? I don't know. You can get yourself a pair of origin stretchy jeans. They're great, man. They look like jeans, but they feel like fucking sweatpants. God, why are you wearing them? Why are you wearing a robe, man?
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#2226 - Theo Von
He probably got a hog. You think? He created the universe. Yeah. Oh, my God. I bet you would want it. I bet you would want it. If you saw it, you'd want it. I wouldn't go up to it. Imagine it just has a magical attraction. You're not even gay, but everybody's gay for God. Hey, look, I'll tell you this.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If God's real, he made gay people. Anybody who thinks gay is a choice, I think gay is a choice for some people. Let me be real clear about this. I think there's some people that are open-minded and say, I'll try being gay for a while. It's not me. Maybe it's you. Greg Fitzsimmons said he almost tried it, and he panicked at the last minute and ran away. Yeah. He thought he had to be open-minded.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So it's clear. If God made everything, he made people that are gay. The craziest religious answer, like Ben Shapiro gave me this answer. He said he thinks you should ignore it. Don't do it because it's a sin. Just like you want to murder people, but you don't murder them. Like, bro, how much do you want to murder people? Because gay people want to fuck every day. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you want to murder people every day, check yourself in. That's a crazy comparison. The gay thing is literally your sexual expression. You're attracted to other guys. So if you're not attracted to other guys, are you sure God wrote that down? Are you 100% positive that God really thinks that's a bad idea, but yet he made people that have that urge? Right.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I bet it existed from the jump. Little rabbit. Little rabbit? What do you think as a gay dude? Get that little rabbit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Booty rabbit. I think gay guys have been here from the very beginning.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it might start in the DNA, too. There was, I think, see if you can find this. I think it was University of Rome. They proposed a theory that there was a variation of the X chromosome that existed in women that are very promiscuous. And that these very promiscuous women had a disproportionate amount of gay sons.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, so the idea is that these women are just so, they're so dick hungry that it literally passes on through their genes.
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#2226 - Theo Von
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, but that could happen in Rhode Island. Providence would be a good place for that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I think Provincetown is Massachusetts. But I know what you're talking about. There is a thing in Rhode Island. And then there's Fire Island in New York. But I think their thought was that the same gene that made women really promiscuous, they wanted a bunch of different sexual partners, that it might be actually a gene thing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
See, the gene thing is weird, man, because Brett Weinstein explained this to me. He said, do you know the difference between a beautiful woman and a woman who's hot? And I said, no. Like, what's the difference? He was like, a beautiful woman is a woman that you would want to have a long term relationship and raise children with.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then a hot woman. Like a woman who's wearing very skimpy clothes and looks like she's really made up. The idea that that's attractive is that you could potentially spread your genes quickly without having any consequences. So this person, you wouldn't have to have a relationship with that person, but it would give you an opportunity to spread your genes as primates.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Fertility. The amount of children they have, I think, or something.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Does it say that there? I wonder if this is their interpretation. Yeah, that's around the time. Gay genes survived evolution as it is carried by mothers who have more children. But guess what? If you have more kids, it means you like dick. I think they were talking about promiscuity, though.
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#2226 - Theo Von
However, a study published by the Journal of Sexual Medicine found a correlation between gay men and their mothers and maternal aunts who are prone to have significantly more children compared to the maternal relatives of straight men.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, hold on a second. Doesn't that make sense, though? That would make sense in terms of natural selection. Because if you're someone who's over having kids, you have too many kids. You have like 10 children.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I would see how nature would be like, you know what? We don't need to spread these genes as much. Let's make a couple of these gay.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. And if someone has 10 kids and everybody else has 10 kids, that could get out of hand real quick. So I can see how if you have a lot of kids, nature will be like, you know what? Let me do this. What was that? Where was that study done from? University of Rome.
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#2226 - Theo Von
100%, which is stay out of the fight. You don't belong in the 2A2 plus A, whatever that is. So what is it? It's QBD, what is it? LGBTQ. LGBTQ2AI plus. A is asexual. Stay out of it. Yeah. Stay out of it. It's not your fight.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, you're just like... You don't even have sex with anybody.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Right, that's lonely sexual. Yeah. An L. I think they're going to put robots in there.
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#2226 - Theo Von
We were talking about robot bodyguards, that in the future you'll have robot bodyguards and you can go anywhere you want.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I bet they just pick you up and they run with you. Wow. They just carry you. Did you see this? It's not real. There we go right here.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Super real. You see that pod where they're killing- Jamie, that is so real. Yeah, that's real. Go back. 100% that's coming, okay?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I mean, all these folks that are coming over here for jobs, there's a lot of those jobs that are going to be taken by unskilled labor jobs are all going to be robots.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, yeah. Yeah. They should have stopped it a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They should have stopped it a long time ago. If you want humans to survive, you should have stopped it a long time ago. If you want the human race as it is now, you want this to stay. That doesn't make sense because you're making something way better.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're 100% going to make something and you're going to give it autonomy and you're going to give it sentience. And it's going to be infinitely smarter than us. It's not going to be restricted by any biological needs. It's not going to be greedy. It's not going to be mean. It's not going to be malicious. But it might decide we're useless.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They might decide that it definitely doesn't need us polluting the ocean and fucking up the fucking rivers.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. Nuclear waste. It's going to be like, what are you doing, morons? Why are you idiots cracking atoms? Stay out of that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Here's free porn and a fucking VR mask. You give your free food. Have a blast. Let you stop breeding. Our population will just drop off a cliff.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's just a way to be unique and it's a way to be in a marginalized community if you're just a regular person. So like if you're a regular white person, you're at the lower end of the social hierarchy amongst woke people. But if you're queer or non-binary, Now you're in a protected group.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Just came out of the dishwasher. Oh, hell yeah. It's like the Civil War. Why are you pouring it with one hand trapped underneath that arm? You're freaking me out. Challenging myself, dude. That is wristability. That was all wrist. You didn't move your arm at all, dude. You were all wrist on that jam. Yeah. That's hard to do, man. Thank you. Wrist is the weakest link. You ever do wrist curls?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm shocked at how weak bitch ass my wrists are. Oh, it's amazing.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Uh-huh. It's crazy. Changes everything. Especially guys with big hands. Yeah. You could grab, like, a guy with a basketball player style hands. There's this dude named Semmy Schilt. He used to fight in the UFC. Semmy? Semmy Schilt. He was seven feet tall.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And the problem with Semmy is if you got on top of him, he just grabs your wrist. You can't get your hands free. Like, this motherfucker. Yeah. Because he had these fucking baseball mitts for hands. He just wrapped his hands around you. That's Semmy Schilt. Wow. He was a K-1 Grand Prix winner. Oh, my God. He looks like Zach Bryan a little. Seven foot tall. He was a beast, dude.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He fought in MMA, too. Wasn't a good grappler, unfortunately. That was kind of his downfall. But he had a nasty front kick to the body. Yeah, he fought Peter Ertz. He fought everybody, man. Semmy was good. And he was real tall and real good at utilizing that height.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Sort of, but you're way further away. The whole thing is distance where you could effectively strike them and they can't strike you. John Jones has the perfect fighter's frame because he's still very strong. He has a lot of muscle, but he's also long and lean. So he's not relatively bulky compared to his weight because he's long and stretched out. So he can hit you from here.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And you can only hit him from here. This amount of distance is so huge. If you have a distance of like that much where a guy can hit you and you can't hit him, you have to cross that. And you're so vulnerable while crossing that. And if a guy's a good counter striker and he's active and he's long... They're so hard to get in on. So a guy like John, that's always going to be an advantage.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then with John, if you do get in on him, that's no picnic because he's an elite grappler. So he's going to strangle you. He's going to throw you to the ground. So you're fucked. You're in this fuck zone. On the outside, he's kicking the shit out of your knees. John is one of the nastiest, like side-kicking people's knees. Yeah. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dana White says he's the greatest of all time. Right. Which a lot of people say. Yeah. I go back and forth on what I think the greatest of all time means. That's a good question. If you want to say, like, who dominated his division longer than anybody, who beat everybody that was ever any good in his division, and who never lost, that's Jon Jones.
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#2226 - Theo Von
The only time you could say he had a controversial decision was the Dominic Reyes fight. It was Dominic Reyes was coming up, he was in his prime, it was a really good fight, a really close fight. But Jon won what I think was a split decision? And then he had a split decision with Tiago Santos. But Tiago Santos, he blew out both of Tiago's knees.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Tiago needed knee surgery on both of his knees after that fight. I think that was a split decision. That's dangerous. But the bottom line is John won all those fights. And then, you know, he wins the heavyweight title too. It's tough to argue he's not the greatest of all time.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I say, you know, if you had to only pick one, I would pick John. But I don't like only picking one because there's a bunch of reasons why other guys are in this elite class of being considered as possibly the greatest of all time. I always say Mighty Mouse because Mighty Mouse would do things where you're like, what the fuck did he just do?
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#2226 - Theo Von
When he fought Ray Borg, he tossed him in the air and caught him in a fucking armbar on the way down.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen a guy do inside the cage. He threw this dude through the air and caught a flying armbar in the air. Fuck. It's so fast. To me, it's like when I just think, watch this. Throws him.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You know how crazy that is? Look how crazy this is. In the middle of the air, he switches to an armbar on an elite fighter in a world championship fight. That's like a stunt. That's like a stunt move. If you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, shut the fuck up. Nobody can do that. Right. He did it in an MMA championship fight where he was dominating the fight.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then you also got to, like, if you just look on record, this is where it gets crazy. If you just look on record of accomplishments against champions, you kind of have to put Alex Pereira already in the conversation of potential greatest of all time, which is so crazy. He's one of only three two-division champions, right? Yeah. How many have been to? You have Connor. You have DC. You have Alex.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No. No. I think that's it. Amanda? Amanda Nunes, that doesn't really count because 45, it does count, but 45 is kind of a non-existent weight class.
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#2226 - Theo Von
She was fighting girls that could have fought 35. It's real, but like 45 is the most, 145 for women is the most shallow division in MMA. So yes, you would say Amanda too. So it's a small percentage of people that have achieved that. And he achieved it in record time. He's knocked out so many fucking champions.
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#2226 - Theo Von
knocked out Jamal Hill, not beat the shit out of Yuri Prohaska, knocked him out in the second fight. That was crazy. Bro!
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#2226 - Theo Von
He's a fucking monster, dude. He's a monster. He's a force. What he did to Khalil Rountree was a clinic.
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#2226 - Theo Von
What is queer these days? Because when I was a kid, queer was gay. If someone was queer, they're gay. Or if you got punched in the head, then you're on queer street. It was like everything was confusing. Queer was confusing. Okay. And then queer became gay somewhere along the line. But now I think queer is whatever you want it to be.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He's amazing. To do that to a guy like Khalil, that was a clinic in elite, world-class MMA.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There was just a lot going on. It felt like... America is brighter. That's what it felt like. We were moving towards this insane world where we're being controlled by liars. We're just being gaslit left and right. We saw it all over the media. We saw it all over the news. Things that were right in front of your face, they're trying to deny. There's just so much craziness.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He moves like a snake. He pulls back, and then he strikes forward. He pulls back. He's a master at just getting right outside of your shots, and then his shots are coming in right behind him.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it varies a lot too. Like sometimes he moves fast and sometimes he moves slow. It's very hypnotic. Yes, it's hypnotic. It's also unique. He's got a unique frame. So he kind of looks, he moves different on design. Like he doesn't switch his hips when he throws kicks. So you don't see him come until it's too late.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So he's standing in front of you, and when he kicks, there's no movement of his shoulders. He's just throwing these kicks out, and they land. And they're not as hard as if he put his whole body into it, but it's hard enough where you're like, oh, no. And you get hit with a couple of those, three, four, five of those.
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#2226 - Theo Von
All of a sudden, you're like, I can't walk anymore, and now he's hunting you, and he's hunting you. See, I would put him already in the conversation. I don't think he's better than Jon Jones, greatest of all time, but I already put him in the conversation as a potential greatest of all time nominee. He's right there.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And he's only been in the UFC for a few years. Yeah. It's crazy. A couple of MMA fights other than the UFC, and then the UFC for this run at the top of the division, just smashing everyone to obliterates. So then you got Khabib, undefeated. Oh, yeah, so many greats. What is the definition of the greatest? Oh, George St-Pierre, another two-division champion. That's right. George won at 85 as well.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I almost forgot George. Yeah, so George, one of the greatest of all times for sure. Yeah, I saw him. You put him in that conversation.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Anderson in his prime. Anderson in his prime is in that conversation. You got to look at them like in their... In the moment. Whenever there's a moment, a time period of like this amount of years to that amount of years, let's all agree that this is the prime. Forget about when they should have retired. Let that go. Just talk about them, whether they're at their best, who is the best.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But you can't judge them by how they were when they should have gotten out. Right. Because it's just a foolish endeavor. They shouldn't have been fighting a killer at 42 years old, you know, natural. And it's timing, too. Yeah. But there's just a lot. When fighters fight late into their career, you've got to kind of. You gotta kind of erase that when you think about their ultimate expression.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I feel like their prime is their ultimate. It's everything they could do. They did everything right. They crossed every T. They measured all their food. They fucking did the cryo chamber and they did saunas every day and got massages and were sparring and doing strength and conditioning drills and they were going over moves with their coaches. They had a battle plan. everything.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You could be gay, bi, straight. And then you could be pansexual.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So those guys, you can only do that for so long. There's, that's like a nine year at, at the best when you're at the, so you got to look like in that when like fade or in pride, you got to look in that window. Don't look at fade or now and you know, Guys are knocking him out. And it's just not the same. He's an old guy. He's been beaten up a bunch of times. He's still a bad motherfucker.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But it's not that dude who was running pride in the early 2000s. Right.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. You got to look at them when they're in BJ Penn at his best. The BJ pen for a few years, I say, is as good as anybody's ever seen.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dude, when he was in his prime, it was just a matter of was BJ going to get him in the first round? Was he going to get him in the second round? BJ was hyper-aggressive and just unbelievably talented.
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#2226 - Theo Von
No, no, no, no, no. He was running for the governor of Hawaii.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Exactly. That's what Wayne Brady is. He's pansexual? He came out. Damn. Came out as pansexual.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And so then it's kind of hard, you know, but it was, I'll tell you one thing, what the way the administration handled that, I think, um, put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth while at the same time, they're sending all that money to Ukraine. I think that was a big problem with the Biden administration when they did that. I think you can't do that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You can't while you're sending all this money overseas, ignore the people that are here. Because then it's like, why are you deciding in this manner that you don't want to help people that were hit with one of the biggest wildfire tragedies ever? Why are you deciding to give them $700?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Not only that, but you're not protecting them from potential land grabs. Because one of the things that's going on with this is they've got to do insurance and they go through insurance and this and that. But meanwhile, these people are still paying mortgages. So, like, what happens?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, there's only so much land, but the problem is the land where that fire hit was very valuable. Oh, yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So what I would be fearful of, and if I was someone that was working in the government that wanted to protect people from being victimized, I would say, hey, let's make sure that this land doesn't get snatched up. Let's make sure that these people get their land back.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If they all want to sell out to a resort and they make a decision on their own, you know, that's one thing. But if they get hit with a wildfire and then all of a sudden it takes forever for them to rebuild, they don't have the finances to rebuild, maybe there's a struggle with insurance. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe you didn't pay your insurance that month. Who knows?
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#2226 - Theo Von
And now all of a sudden this land gets snatched up and you're like, whoa. Yeah. Because if they just like one of the things that the governor was talking about was like turning it into a park or something like that. What did he say? Acquiring it for the state. What was his exact term that he said? But he said it like right after the tragedy. It was like, dude.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's not the time to ever say it. It's not the time to ever say you're going to take people's land and turn it into a park because they just got hit by a fire. So now you used to live in this amazing place with a killer view. Not anymore. Now the government's going to take your land. Why? Because you got in a tragedy. What?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like I got double fucked. You got double fucked. You don't even get to keep the land. You can't even rebuild there. No, not anymore. There was a tragedy here. Like, wait a minute.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That sounds like the opposite. It's like your government's trying to rob you.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like, did you find it? Find the quote that he said? You got to read the quote because the quote is like, it made so many Hawaiians so pissed off. Tulsi was so pissed off. BJ was pissed off. Everybody was like, this is crazy. Like, how can you say that right after a tragedy like this?
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're theosexual. Oh, it's fucking getting kind of heady, man. You're theosexual. Why are you afraid to talk to the women?
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#2226 - Theo Von
When I was looking for it, this says that the video was shortened and it makes the comments distorted.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It distorts Hawaii governor's comments about the state buying land in Lahaina. So what did the actual say, though? I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land. so that we could put it into workforce housing to put it back to families or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people who are lost.
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#2226 - Theo Von
We want this to be something that we remember after the pain passes as a magic place and Lahaina will rebuild. The tragedy right now is the loss of life. The buildings can be rebuilt over time. Even the banyan tree may survive. But we don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas come and decide they're going to take it. The state will take it and preserve it first.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Say that again. Scroll back. This is interesting. We don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas come and decide they're going to take it. The state will take it and preserve it first. I think what they're probably worried about then is the banks grabbing it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So them saying that the state could take the land might be to prevent the banks from grabbing it and selling it and putting something there. But it still seems like overreach if you're living in the fucking place where the state's going to take the land.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Right. Like, where am I going now? What am I doing? You know, and you don't hear anything about it. Yeah, you don't anymore. We looked it up once. There was a time where the government accidentally over sent money to Ukraine. They sent them six billion dollars they shouldn't have sent. So we looked up how much would it have cost to rebuild every house in Maui from the fires? It's five billion.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So the extra money that they accidentally sent to Ukraine, they could have sent there and rebuilt every house and had a billion dollars left over. But... But we give you $700. Unreal. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Like, if you want us to pretend that we're all on the same team, you've got to treat us all like we're on the same team.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. But wow, you're a handsome fellow. You're funny. You're successful.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You can't literally be throwing all this money into Ukraine, and then there's places in America that suck, and you're not doing anything to help these folks. Like...
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#2226 - Theo Von
System, you know, system's a bunch of people. And so when you have a bunch of people, an enormous amount of people, it's too many people to think about as individuals. You think about it as numbers. And that's like the sort of... sociopath version of a government. They just think of you as a number.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, they get rogue, especially if they've been told by the mainstream media forever that if one side wins, you're going to be in a right-wing fascist dictatorship. Yeah, that just fucking pisses me off. I don't understand that. That should be a crime. Well, at the very least, it's slanderous. It's not true. You can't back that up. It's not true.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Like you're saying something that we have evidence of four years of him being a president and not doing that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Let's look up the actual definition. But there's a bunch of different versions of it. It's usually connected to a right-wing authoritarian ideology and a power of the state over people. And it gets twisted around a lot because it's also – you could also say it's fascist to impose certain ideas on people, demand certain speech, which would make a lot of left-wing people fascist as well.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Far-right authoritarian and utilitarian ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And strong regimentation of society and economy opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism. Fascism is placed on the far right wing within the traditional left-right wing spectrum. Who's doing all that? No one is. So it's like it's a bullshit term that you're throwing on a guy who has a different political philosophy than you.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Put it back up again, please. It's like... There's real fascists in the world. There's really dangerous people. That guy's not. He's got a big ego. He says ridiculous things. Who are you talking about? Trump. He doesn't behave like a guy that you think of in a traditional sense of being the president.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Which is interesting that you got into stand-up comedy, which makes people really fucking nervous.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I think he loves being Donald Trump, but I think he's got some good ideas that a lot of businessmen agree with.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, I think most people feel the same way. They just want to be safe and happy. RFK Jr. tweeted something. See if you can find that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But RFK tweeted like a message to... The thing you sent me yesterday?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, interesting, because you're nervous all the time. You're like, fuck it, I'll just go be nervous in front of all these people.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at that. FDA's war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean food, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals, and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by pharma.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you work for the FDA and are a part of this corrupt system... I have two messages for you. Number one, preserve your records. And number two, pack your bags. Whoa. That's what's crazy about Trump winning. That's what's crazy. Yeah, that's the thing. I love this. And then you've got people like Tulsi. That's the type of person you want. Congresswoman for eight years. Impeccable character.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then you've got Vivek, who's a genius. You've got J.D. Vance, who's fucking brilliant as well.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So you have a bunch of good people with him this go around. Well, yeah, it's like we got to get people off each other's necks, man. You know, that's what we got to do. We got to get people to like stop attacking each other. It's so crazy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, it's a team thing, dude. It's like your team lost. It really is. These people that are super addicted to politics, they're like people who don't follow sports, never played any games. This is the way they compete. They compete for the most important thing, like who gets to dictate the tone of the country.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Also, cops don't want to take dead animals and fucking pick it up and put it in a bag. Like, that's not what they signed up for. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if they're not busy... And then go investigate the... Let's see, what kind of animal is this? Yeah, it was this veterinarian.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's probably why you don't get sick a lot. You probably got immunized by the... All the bacteria on finding dead animals.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I wonder how many fucking kids that get helicopter parented get allergic to more shit because they don't get exposed to things. They're not crawling around, playing in dirt and shit. All that stuff's probably got to be good for your body. Right? When you're little kids, especially playing in dirt, playing outside. Oh, yeah. If you're just sheltered or whatever. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do you know how many snakes there are in the Everglades? There's more pythons. More pythons in the Everglades.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's just a rough estimation that could be off by a factor of who fucking knows. They don't really know. It's dense, dense, dense, dense jungle.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I had this dude in here, a python cowboy. He goes and hunts for them. He's got a dog, and the dog will find the nests. He's pulling these giant-ass pythons out of nests. That dog's been sexually assaulted, I bet. I'll say that. Dude, that dog's a psychopath. It's going after something that could easily swallow it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's crazy. This is the crazy thing. Because of the introduction of pythons into the Everglades, 90% of all the mammals are missing. There's no mammals anymore.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was interesting because the beginning of the night, no one knew what was going to happen. So you're watching the first results roll in, and there's like this weird thing. And then Trump gets way ahead, but you're like, you don't want to get too hopeful. Like, how far ahead is he? He's ahead by 100 points. That seems like a lot.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, the thing is the number of snakes. Like, it's the perfect environment for those animals. Like, it's like they just dropped off in paradise. Nothing eats them. There's no crocodiles.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at this. 2012 study found that... Populations of raccoon had declined 99.3%, opossums 98.9%, and bobcats 87.5% since 1997. Marsh rabbits, cottontail rabbits, and foxes effectively disappeared over that time. Got it! So they've essentially eradicated all the rabbits. And the foxes.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because there's like antlers and shit and hooves. Yeah, yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do you think they swallow the antlers? Do they go for the bucks and swallow antlers? Well, I bet. Can you imagine swallowing? You'd feel like such an asshole when the antler was going down. You'd be like, oh my God, I can't believe I swallowed the antler. That's going to take forever to break down. You're just going to be rolling around with antlers inside your chest forever. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, every way you go, ow, ow. Just the revenge of that deer.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, the antler is just bone, but it's so pokey. Like, look at it. I would bet three weeks. Isn't that the wildest thing that nature does, dude? Nature gives them weapons for a few months. This is what happens with a deer. When they stop breeding, these fall off. Every year. So you find them on the ground. They call them sheds. So you can only defend yourself while you're breeding. Exactly.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And it's offensive as much as it's defensive. They run at each other and clash. You see them fighting. It happens all the time. It's pretty fucking cool. They go after each other and just fuck each other up.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I saw a horrible video of these two deer that got locked together. So they're clashing antlers. They got locked together. And one of them got eaten by a coyote. So one was still alive, connected to this body, couldn't get away, while the other one got torn apart by a coyote. And it was just dumb luck that the coyotes picked him versus that because neither one of them can get away.
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#2226 - Theo Von
The coyotes recognized that they were locked into each other and just picked one and went after him, just gutted him.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at this thing. He's trying to eat one with antlers and got fucked up. Oh, God. Oh, it cut his own body open? It bails on it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. They had different numbers. I was getting a different number off my Apple news update than I was getting off of CNN. And then I was texting people like Tulsi and JD Vance. I was getting a different up. Apparently Elon created an app. And he knew who won four hours before the results.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, it split his body wide open. Oh, my God. Oh, look at his mouth. He's got the antlers stuck through his fucking jaw.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That doesn't bother me at all. That bothers you? Yeah. Why? It doesn't bother me even a little bit. Really? No.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm just going to look at them. Like, how is it? Tell me about each bite. No.
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#2226 - Theo Von
okay makes me nervous well you should just like be real clear about that before you go out with someone like let's eat okay like we can eat together but i got this thing like when i'm done you're done imagine if you're like super reasonable boyfriend in every other way but you just had this rule when i'm done eating no one eats and she's like well this is bullshit like i know it sounds crazy i can't kick it it's i have a tick
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#2226 - Theo Von
I have a psychological problem. I can't just sit there. So when I'm done eating, you have to be done. And I don't eat fast. I don't eat fast. But I'm warning you, when that fucking bell rings, all forks are off the table.
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#2226 - Theo Von
bone epitimes up dude that would be the weirdest thing that you're obsessed with you have to you have to end at the exact same time last bite that kind of shit yeah i just that would make me i just yeah that kind of stuff little things kind of make me uncomfortable dude but that uh what else am i thinking about pythons
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#2226 - Theo Von
What is that? What did they call it? Okay, 10 weirdest Airbnb listings let you sleep in a shoe, an elephant, and a flying saucer. Yo, let's go to the flying saucer. Oh, shit. I want to stay there. That's yours, dude. Bro, if I wasn't married, I'd have the stupidest house. My house would be one of two things. I'd either have it built into the side of a hill like The Hobbit. Oh, yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That would be kind of dope. Or I would go full spaceship. Yeah. Just a house where a 16-year-old boy would see it and be like, dude. Yeah, just appear to the child in you. Like Kid Rock's vibe. Totally Kid Rock's vibe. Kid Rock's White House, I maintain, is the coolest celebrity house I've ever been to.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So as the results were coming in, four hours before they called it, Dana White told me, Elon was like, I'm leaving. It's over. Donald won. He just fucking somehow or another... I'm going to go back into my pod and evaporate.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's not just one of one. He's the only one that would even think about doing that. It's like him and maybe John Daly would build a fucking White House.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's something everybody loves about the overweight dude who's really good at a game.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh, yeah, buddy. She smokes cigarettes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, boy. She's hot? Yeah. Whoa.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's your move. Get yourself a golfer wife. Oh, look at that. Smoking cigarettes, looking hot. Yeah. Let me see. Ooh, baby. And smoking in front of everybody, too. Yeah, she just rips darts on the... Is she from England? Yeah. Ah, there you go.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They over there, they just fucking smoke. They smoke a lot more over there. Everybody's got a goddamn cigarette.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, right? Don't be rude. What the fuck's wrong with you, bro?
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#2226 - Theo Von
There was a professional pool player. I'm on tour at all. His name was Kid Delicious. And everybody loved him because he was this big, fat dude who played really good. But it was the big, fat guy thing that people liked. Like, oh. You don't have to be a fucking athlete. You don't have to be any good.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You don't have to be a guy eating salads and fucking getting up in the morning doing yoga before you come to the pool hall. No. This guy is out there eating hot dogs. That was kid delicious. Yeah. There's a great book about him. John Wertheim, I think his name, Running the Table. Yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I don't know what he's getting, where he's pulling his data from, but he had the most accurate data in terms of the rural states hadn't put their results in yet, but yet Trump was ahead in these states. Kamala's never going to win those states, so tabulated that and put it all together. I don't know how he did it. I haven't even talked to Elon about this. I don't know, like...
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#2226 - Theo Von
But John Daly back in the day wasn't fat. He was like an athlete. This is just a lifetime of living hard. Oh, he's a fucking-
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#2226 - Theo Von
Look at that hair. And he's a guy that's been playing golf for like how many fucking years now, you know?
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#2226 - Theo Von
All he drinks is Diet Coke. Yeah, sure. He doesn't like water.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I'm sure, but he doesn't drink water. No, he's great, man. I'm sure he drinks alcohol, too.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Who built this? Where do I shit? Dude, Airbnbs have gotten so crazy. Don't people rent out like tents and shit? Yeah, it's like... They'll supply you the tent and everything like that.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Not a bad move if you don't want to set up a tent. Like, I like camping, but I'm too lazy to set up a tent.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You know how you get them rods and shit? It's pain in the butt. It's all like...
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#2226 - Theo Von
And you're tying it down, dink, dink, dink, in the ground, dink, dink, dink. And then you realize you're just sleeping in a little cloth house out in the woods.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, there's an Airbnb tent. That's nice, dude. That's probably in Austin. You can fuck in this tent, bro.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Outdoor fucking's the way to go. I ain't scared of mosquitoes. I'm an outdoor fucker whenever possible.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, he stuck away in the woods. Me and this one girl, we were fooling around in the woods. We never got to the actual sex part. We got close. We got ate alive by mosquitoes. We tried to get naked outside. And so literally our whole body was covered in mosquito bites. It was horrific.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was near a river. Yeah. Yeah, it was near the Charles River.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah. Kids would just go into the woods, you know? We'd always find kids drinking in the woods. Yeah. You know? Like, we lived in an area. I lived in Newton, Massachusetts when I was in high school. And Newton is a great town. Like, a really cool area. And where I lived, which is called Upper Falls, there was all these, like, woods and trees and shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And the river was right across the street from my house. And... It was always these wild kids playing Billy Squire on a boom box and smoking cigarettes. It was like The Outsiders. It was really interesting. And then one kid would get a car. Like, oh shit, Bobby's got a car.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Dude, to this day, one of my favorite cars, I have a 1970 Chevelle. You own it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, bring it up. I would like to see it. But when I was a kid, before I had a car, my friend picked me up in his buddy's car. I didn't know the other dude. I met him from school or something like that, but I didn't know him. And he picked me up in this 1970 Chevelle.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was black with white stripes, and it was perfect. And I remember I saw it. I was like, how does he own this? How can you own this? That's how I felt. I was sitting in the backseat of the car. I was like, this car is so crazy that you could own this car? And I remember he ran out of gas but coasted right into the gas station and stopped the car in front.
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#2226 - Theo Von
the Dana translation, but Dana said he had an app, and he was, like, showing them. He's like, it's over. He fucking left. Dude just left.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It was like the coolest thing I'd ever seen in my life. There's nothing better. The guy owned that car somehow. As a 16-year-old boy, I was looking at this car going, ha! How? How did you do this? How did you do this? Let's see it. No. That's a different car, Jamie. That's my 1970 Barracuda. That's a beautiful... I don't think the 70 Chevelle is on anywhere.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But it's just a Google Black 70 Chevelle SS white stripes. Dude, there's nothing like... That's it.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Mine looks almost exactly like that. But that's exactly like this kid's looked when he picked me up and I got a ride in his car. I was like, that's a 69. That's another amazing car. But that one, the upper one in the middle, that's my actual car. That's my car.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That's my favorite, I think, out of all of them. I love it so much. Because it brings me back to that moment when I was a 16-year-old kid and this guy had this car. I was like, how do you have this car? How is this even possible that you have this car?
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#2226 - Theo Von
The things that we completely take for granted. Like your buddy picks you up and gives you a ride. Like, hey, what's up? How's it going on? It's normal. For you now, like, oh, I'm just sitting in the backseat of my friend's car. But back then, it was like, whoa.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I remember my friend Mike was taking flying lessons when I was in high school. And I went up in an airplane with him when I was 14. We were both 14. And he was taking flight lessons when I was like, what the fuck? I'm letting this 14-year-old kid fly me around with him in a plane and an instructor. Yeah, but back then, you were just so thrilled just to get out of your fucking house.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You'd hop in your buddy's backseat. You're like, where are we going? I don't know, man. We're going to go to Bobby's house. All right, you're listening to songs on the radio. You couldn't believe you were in a car.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You got one hand on the steering wheel, one hand out the window.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Those were the days, man. When I was in high school, there was this one dude who was like, I think he was a couple of years older than us. And he graduated, but he was dating a girl that still went to the high school. And he had an IROC Z Camaro.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Come on, bro. She's got to have the T-tops. And this dude pulled in front of the high school, and everybody couldn't believe it. He was like the coolest guy alive. Look at him in his IROG Z, picking up the girl that none of us can date.
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#2226 - Theo Von
That dude who had that IROC ran over a guy accidentally and dragged him through the city for miles. just tried to get the body out from under his car a couple times but couldn't do it, but just kept driving. So driving around this IROG Z with a person stuck under the car, driving for miles.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I feel like if you drive over someone, maybe pull over. Hey, maybe pull over. But I don't know, pull it over. Dude, what do you do at that point? There's like guys that you hear about from high school. It's like you feel like you're in a Stephen King book, like Stand By Me or something like that, you know?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, people just disappeared back then and there was no phones and there was no internet and you barely remembered people if you didn't see them for a month. Like you didn't even have a picture. I have like five pictures of my friends from high school, you know? And mostly because my friend Jimmy sends them to me. But it's like you don't remember. You don't remember what anybody looked like.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You don't remember anything. But now... Too much. Now you know everything. But back then, it's like you would hear about this, like, one of the guys you went to high school with, he got in trouble, and like, oh, no, now he's in jail. Whoa.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, whoa. I remember I met this one dude who just got out of jail. Yeah. He was friends of my friend. First guy I ever met that was in jail.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And he had just the weirdest vibe. I had a buddy of mine who actually was a training partner of mine who was one guy. He was like this one way. And then he went to jail on a drug charge. And he came out like three years later. He was a totally different person.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He was super jacked. I don't know if he was doing steroids or what, but he was like really jacked and fucking aggressive and super dangerous. And he was telling me these stories about jail and about all the fights that he had gotten into in jail. And he got almost like a fight to the death with a mop stick in this guy. He was telling me these horrific fights, and it had just changed him, man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
I mean, I'd never experienced something like that before where I knew a guy before he went to prison, and then I knew him after prison, and he was just a completely different person and fucking very dangerous to spar with. Like, very dangerous. Like, he would try to kill you. We would have wars. Like, they weren't really sparring matches. They were fights.
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#2226 - Theo Von
This guy, I think, was both. I think he was on gear and I think he was doing coke. Because I know he was selling coke. I know he was getting coke for girls and stuff like that. He wound up dying. But here's where it gets really crazy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
while I knew this guy, like while he was training at the same gym as me, he got arrested and questioned in this murder where this guy who was an informant, I think he was an informant, they found him where he had been repeatedly injected with cocaine to keep him alive while they were breaking his bones.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So from him blacking out from the pain, they were injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake and conscious while they were breaking his bones with a hammer. I think they cut his hands and his head off too. And he got somehow or another, he got implicated or at least questioned about that. I was like, yo.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You're like, keep it down. Jesus Christ. Can't you guys insulate your torture house? It's fucking up the rest of the neighborhood. Yeah, I mean, what the fuck, dude?
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#2226 - Theo Von
You might be able to do it if someone did something to your loved ones. I think you'd be surprised what a mother would do if she caught some person doing something to one of her children.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And then all of a sudden... The world spoke. Did you see the map of the actual country? Like how many places actually voted red?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Oh yeah. But I mean even mothers who you wouldn't even think of as being violent.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's inside of you. And there's a choice, too, but it's inside of you. It's like we have instincts to protect our kids, you know, and you could get crazy violent. Yeah. And normal, regular people can get crazy violent to protect their children.
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#2226 - Theo Von
killing their own children yeah there's always been that man there's always been evil people but it's just crazy you know people have children yeah man there's people that poison their kids there's this there's evil people out there and in every you know stretch of the world you're going to get a certain percentage of our population that just doesn't come out right you know and that's normal it's like everything there's always a percentage that's just not right yeah
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, whatever the struggle that the human race is involved in is if you wanted to break it down and just philosophically, it's essentially a struggle between good and evil. Always. It's always a struggle between good and evil.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And you're always going to have a certain amount of evil that you have to overcome. And I think that amount of evil that you overcome should be small, but I think it enforces this idea to do good. And the good conquers evil if everybody works together cooperatively. But you need something.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If you don't have resistance, it feels like people, the way we're designed to constantly try to innovate and make better things and improve upon society, improve upon our own lives, we're always like trying for progress, right? I think that's all sort of tied in to competition. And competition needs a foe. You need an antagonist and a protagonist. You need resistance.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And I think the unfortunate thing is that there is evil in the world. The fortunate thing is that evil makes you appreciate love, and it motivates people to stop evil, and it motivates people to limit evil. You know, like the calls for law and order in this country, like during the riots, remember? when everybody was like, we need law and order. We need law and order.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You can't have just people breaking into things and stealing everything in law and order. That kind of stuff. That's good versus evil. It's evil to just smash windows and steal things in the name of some guy that you don't know who died unjustly. That's crazy. You're just using this as an opportunity to say, fuck everyone.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You can't have people just running around saying, fuck everyone and lighting things on fire. You can't have that. You can't have that. So, when you encounter these different things, it makes you appreciate not having those things, so it motivates you. One of the things that got people excited about Trump being in office is that he wanted to get away from all this defund the police shit.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He wanted to get the country back to law and order. He wants us to increase manufacturing, increase ... All the things that make people feel good about the future.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Yeah, and they didn't feel that way about the message that they were hearing from the other side. They felt like it was going to be more of the same shit, and more of the same shit doesn't get anything done. We still keep getting involved in these wars that we don't want to be involved in.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Trump thinks he can fix these overseas conflicts. I don't know if he can. But the point is like something has to be done. We can't just keep throwing money at war and ignoring ourselves. That seems crazy. And if you're saying we're not ignoring ourselves, well, we're not spending the money and the resources that we need to fix all the problems that we have.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's definitely, I mean, if you talk to Brigham Bueller from Wastewell, he'll explain to you. Yeah, I just went there the other day. He's the man.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Nice. I've been trying to get well while I'm here. Try to get well.
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#2226 - Theo Von
What were we just talking about? Medical debt yeah, he'll explain it real well. It's like it's a you know It's kind of a fucked-up system But it just makes sense that that would be the number one reason why people would go bankrupt because you're out of work because you got a medical issue Then you have medical bills if you don't have insurance. You're really fucked.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There's that. I don't know. There's definitely a lot of influence with a lot of money.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And also companies that we need. Pfizer makes good stuff. I mean, these companies make really beneficial drugs too. Yeah. But it's just the problem with all these fucking people is- They just want to make more money constantly. And if they can get you taking more pills than you need, they will. That's how they sell. They want to sell pills. They can come up with a reason. Are you anxious?
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#2226 - Theo Von
I am a little. Hey, here you go. And next thing you know, you're dependent.
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#2226 - Theo Von
We can't let them advertise. That's true. People are still going to buy the drugs, but the advertising thing is crazy because it affects the media, too. It affects what people are allowed to investigate. It affects what the...
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#2226 - Theo Von
Because the news is not going to give you everything. They're going to conveniently ignore things that would affect their partnerships. Yeah. Yeah, it's all advertising. Yeah. What did we say it was again? The amount of billions of dollars they spend every year on advertising pharmaceutical drug companies?
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#2226 - Theo Von
But I felt like I was getting urged to by Dana and there's quite a few people. I didn't think it makes a difference. I kind of already stated what I thought about the way things were going and that some radical change need to take place.
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#2226 - Theo Von
In my opinion. I just I'm not buying like, you know, when we're talking about before with the way the country feels like the way the country felt when Biden was in office was shaky and Because regardless of what you thought about his policies, what you did in place, it was real clear something was wrong with him. And they were lying to us. Oh, yeah.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So that alone makes the whole country feel uneasy, right? Even if you think that the administration is moving certain policies and certain things are moving in the right direction, the economy is moving in the right general direction, even if you agree to those things, when you have a guy that's at the front that's obviously – in some way compromised. There's something going on.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Do you know how he made the transition to being worried about pharmaceutical drugs? He would give these speeches and he litigated a bunch of lawsuits against corporations that were polluting rivers. They cleaned up the East River. He was an environmental attorney. And they were also talking about the effects of mercury poisoning in the soil and water.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Something going on that they don't want to admit. And everybody knows it. And he drifts off and he says things that don't make sense. And something's wrong. So everybody feels uncomfortable, even if everything's going well, right? Because for good or for bad, that person that's in that office kind of sets a tone for the country. And the tone for the last four years was confusion.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So regardless of their policies, the tone that's being established whenever he talks or whenever she does interviews or she talks is a confusing talk. There's word salad and then there's like these moments where it seems like she doesn't know how to wrap up a sentence, which can just be nerves. It could just be nerves talking in front of large groups of people. It doesn't mean she's not brilliant.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But some people clam up when they have to do those things. But then there's the argument that's the job, though. You have to be able to do that because you're going to have to be able to talk to Putin and presidents of these different countries and leaders throughout the world. You've got to be able to handle pressure. So that's kind of part of it, too.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Kind of part of it, too, is you've got to be able to handle pressure. But the thing that people worry about Trump is that he's so antagonistic and that then that's the tone of the country. And the tone of the country is not like the tone of the Obama administration I always felt was the best because he was measured, never attacked anybody. He was very articulate and smooth. Yeah, he was smooth.
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#2226 - Theo Von
There was not a lot of ums and ahs. Like some people, Trump throws too many extra words in, but it's just his flavor. His flavor is he rambles. He goes all over the place. Like I joke, look at this hair. What is wrong with my hair? He makes fun. He's like doing standup up there. Obama was the smoothest. And Clinton was pretty fucking smooth, too. Maybe Clinton and Obama. Those are the goats.
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#2226 - Theo Von
So when you get a person, for good or for bad, that's smooth and talks like a professional, like an actual president, it makes everybody like, whew. He's got this. This guy's a real professional president. Like, look at him. With Trump, you're like, I hate Taylor Swift. Like, no! Don't do that! Don't say that! Yeah, you pressed the wrong button today, buddy.
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#2226 - Theo Von
He tweeted out that that lady that he allegedly slept with was, he called her a horse face. Why was the president...
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's fucking unreal. But for a lot of super sensitive people and progressive people, that's why they want to believe that he's Hitler. They look at these things and then they don't look at it as a flavor in the soup. Like, look, it's all pepper. No, it's not all pepper. Pepper's a part of it. Yeah, he probably shouldn't tweet, I hate Taylor Swift, but whatever.
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#2226 - Theo Von
What's important is what is he going to do in terms of fix all these problems that everybody agrees are real problems? And can he do it? And can he keep all these people in his staff, RFK Jr.? I don't know. I don't know if he can do it. But if he can, at least we have hope.
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#2226 - Theo Von
If RFK really does the things that we think he wants to do and starts to kind of clean up some of the corruption in the system, it'd be exciting. It'd be good for people. If we stop putting ingredients in foods that are illegal in Canada because they're dangerous, how about we stop doing that here? Yeah. Seems like a logical thing. It's not like Froot Loops in Canada sell that less.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Well, you saw the whole thing where they were trying to buy immunity.
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#2226 - Theo Von
They were trying to buy immunity. They were going to have a settlement where they would give X amount of billions of dollars, but then they were immune to prosecution.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And these women kept coming to these things that he was doing and saying, you need to investigate mercury in vaccines. And, you know, he thought, like, that is, like, which most people think. You hear vaccine, like, the last thing I want to be labeled is a vaccine skeptic. Jesus Christ. A vaccine denier.
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#2226 - Theo Von
But I think what happened was they put a pause on that after the Netflix documentary came out. Wow. And we talked about it once, but I don't know where it's at now. But that family, they made billions of dollars by getting people hooked on opiates.
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#2226 - Theo Von
And do you know that that was the same family that was involved in Valium?
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#2226 - Theo Von
Mother's Little Helper. That was Valium. That's what ladies in the fucking 60s were taking Valium.
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#2226 - Theo Von
Make sure that the Sackler family was involved in the Valium thing. I don't want to have to edit that out. As if I called them a piece of shit about one thing, but hey, we weren't a piece of shit about that other thing. I think they were, though.
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#2226 - Theo Von
You know, because you don't know the family member. Yeah. Arthur Sackler, a member of the Sackler family, was a major figure in the promotion of Valium through direct marketing to physicians in the 1960s. Yeah, that is it. So same family. Yeah. Evil. Evil. It's literally evil. Just destroying lives.
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#2226 - Theo Von
It's a drug dealer. It's one of the worst drug dealers because you're sneaking around with doctors. You're sneaking around under this guise of authority.