While Elon claims he's storming the government to cut waste, he's also getting himself a big fat check for $400 million from the State Department for Tesla armored vehicles—though administration officials are now trying to hide the grift because the Trump glow does not extend to the weird dude. Meanwhile, McConnell may have voted against confirming RFK Jr, but he's the one who drew up the blueprint for breaking the rules. Plus, the asymmetry in passion between MAGA and the resistance, and Alex's new podcast looks at how people are being affected by the policies and promises of Trumpism. MSNBC’s Alex Wagner join Tim. show notes Trumpland with Alex Wagner Dave Weigel's piece that Tim referenced Axios piece that was mentioned
Chapter 1: Who is Alex Wagner and what is her new podcast about?
You would have usually found her hosting Alex Wagner tonight on MSNBC with me as a guest occasionally, but through April 30th, she's on special assignment for the limited MSNBC podcast series, Trump Land, with Alex Wagner, reporting on the first 100 days of the second Trump administration. It's Alex Wagner, and we're in Trump Land, I guess. How's that going?
I mean, we live in Trumpland. It's just the reality of the situation. I hate to break it to everybody. It may not be forever, but that's where we're at.
Do you have any pushback on the title? Just for mental health purposes? Or you just are accepting?
Well, there is a fine calculation between how much the word Trump in any given title is an attractant or a repellent.
Yeah.
So I do think, though, I mean, we're looking at Trump land not just through the lens of Trump, but the people also affected by Trumpism and his policies and promises. So it's not just about the dude. In fact, I would say it's a lot less about the dude and more about the sort of broader contours of the country he is creating.
Yeah, it's very little about the dude, actually. We're going to do a bunch on the pod. I was binging it yesterday. Love that. We have a couple news items we have to get to first, though, if you don't mind.
Please, go. It's your podcast.
We have a new... I like turning the tables. I love it. I relish.
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Chapter 2: What controversial changes has the Trump administration made regarding press freedom?
I'm a terrible guest. I am a terrible guest, but I'm telling you that now that I'm already booked and we've started this.
It's going to be great. I relish putting the host in the guest seat. I'll bring out the best guest in you, I promise. All right. We have a new edict from the Capitol. The dear leader's mouthpiece was asked about the banishment of the Associated Press from the press room yesterday. I want to take a listen to what she had to say about that.
I was very upfront in my briefing on day one that if we feel that there are lies being pushed by outlets in this room, we are going to hold those lies accountable. And it is a fact that the body of water off the coast of Louisiana is called the Gulf of America. And I'm not sure why news outlets don't want to call it that, but that is what it is.
That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact.
I mean, this is like my question. It's like, can you imagine, by the way, can you imagine the crowd sizes debate litigated in Trump 2.0? I mean, I feel like you have that clip.
Actually, let's go. Can we hear another fact? Can we get that other clip really quick?
This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe.
I mean, can I just say the difference between then and now is it was just stupid Sam Spicer embarrassing himself, you know, like becoming a national parody. And now there's actual retribution. The idea that the AP is not being allowed in, is being punished for adhering to reality. It's not good, Tim. Very George Orwell. All of this.
I guess another difference is they're making their facts real, you know, like the Google machine and Apple have changed the name of the Gulf here as well.
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Chapter 3: Why is Tesla receiving $400 million from the State Department?
last week in front of the Treasury Department where there was a large protest. And there was no talk about Trump. It was all focused on Elon Musk. And I do think that the Trump glow does not extend to anybody else. I do not think it extends to Elon Musk. And I think Democrats and people who are just upset about what's happened here are finding a new narrative and he's at the center.
Elon Musk is at the center of it. And I think this kind of stuff, there's a reason they changed the wording to not mention Tesla's. I do think the Trump White House understands that Musk could be a problem for them.
And I think if Democrats are smart, they will keep Musk at the center of all of this because he is just a poster child for the corruption, the grift, the sort of lawlessness, the entitlement, the greed, the, you know, sort of
unelected you know billionaire storming the the federal government people are not cool with that and i think you should read a lot into the fact that they change the wording on that that statement oh yeah i do too it means they're conscious of it for sure it was interesting i saw there's this joe rogan clip where he says something like essentially to the effect of uh you know elon's too rich to grift yeah let's listen to joe real quick
This other thing about Elon. Elon's going to steal everybody's money. He has $400 billion. I'm telling you he's not going to steal your money. I'm telling you that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with.
And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive and he helps Donald Trump get in office and he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up. You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum because he's going to hunt you down.
He's going to find out what's going on. And that's good. That's good for everybody. That's how you should be looking at this. Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems. and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards. Is that how this works?
Is that how this works? That very rich people, like, decide that they don't want to be richer?
No, they always want to be richer. I mean, I think that's the thing about really rich people is sky's the limit. Can I also say the guy that nails this and the guy who is the id of MAGA is Steve Bannon. And he gets that Musk is a, I mean, we've talked about this. He's a problem. He's not a true believer. He's, I mean, he's in it for Elon and the glory attendant. Yeah. Okay.
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Chapter 4: How does Elon Musk's involvement in government raise concerns?
The whole thing. None of it. Musk... He embodies the contradictions here. It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make sense. I really do think that there'd be vulnerabilities. I don't think the Rogan position of, oh, he's uncorruptible. He's too rich to be corruptible. I think that that is going to work for the people in my replies on Twitter with the blue checks who may or may not be from Romania, who are telling me about how great Elon is and posting memes of crying.
you know, liberals, you know, via the Grok AI. I think like those people will buy that. But I just think like, as this goes along, I do think that regular folks didn't sign up for 400 million in Tesla armored vehicles.
No, also like Elon doesn't have it. Like, I just think that people need to get back to the essence of, like, this guy is a profoundly lame character. And that is—in Trump High School, which is a place we all live in now and attend, like, he is not the popular dude. That's Donald Trump. He's the captain of the football team.
And Elon Musk is some weird person that has entered the sort of inner sanctum but does not have— he is not going to win any popularity contests. And the longer this goes on and the more Elon is placed front and center, I truly think the bigger a problem it is for the Trump administration.
Yeah, I think he was the captain of the baseball team. Trump doesn't really like to be hit.
Let's not insult baseball. I'm thinking chess team. I mean, chess is also cool. You can be captain of any team, but that doesn't give you, you know, you don't get to make announcements on the intercom.
That's, I guess, what I'm saying. Why can't I insult baseball? I mean, it's just.
I'm part of a very big baseball family.
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Chapter 5: What are the reactions to RFK Jr.'s confirmation as Secretary of Health and Human Services?
I stopped reading after that. I saw that and I was like, okay, no, we're done.
I can tell you the next sentence was about how it was all guys that are in charge and they're just using their maximum power.
Finally, is what I say.
It seems to me like it's kind of like small dick maximalism. And it's like, none of these people are, and who are we talking about? Musk who like lied about his video game prowess and like Trump with his makeup. I just, I don't like, this is all just so like, only in DC could they get away with this, I guess. Yeah.
And beach. Yeah. I mean, I think it's like the deepest, darkest part of masculine insecurity that we're seeing on center stage.
I guess that's true. In that sense, it's masculine maximalism.
Well, I mean, I guess. It's like the dark part of it. I don't think that it's the strong part of masculine. I mean, first of all, I guess. I guess we have to put this in kind of obvious gender tropes. The return of the white guys. I think it is at Democrats' peril that they ignore the yearn for traditionalism, which seems to be a huge part of MAGA.
I don't think that means a capitulation to it, but there is something shifting. There's something going on socioculturally. I don't mean to quote Barack Obama, but here I go quoting Barack Obama. The idea that America should be for the waking and not just the woke. I think there's something there about a greater tolerance for not the retrograde and not the diminishing, but
something that seems more on its face traditional. I don't know how to say this in a way that is not controversial.
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Chapter 6: What is the impact of tariff policies under Trump 2.0?
I get a little pessimistic, a lot pessimistic after I'm out for a long time just because I'm seeing this stuff, right? Like I'm talking to the moms who are like telling their kids before they go to school, if I don't come home or if I'm not here, this is where you go because I might've been deported, right?
Like, and as a mom, as a person in the world, like, can you imagine having that conversation with your kid? Like, who's like, you know, a little American kid going to second grade and it's like, what do you mean if you don't come home ever? So that's right, like wrenching. But then I also look at the national narrative around this.
I don't see Democrats defending anybody defending these people who are part of the backbone of the American economy. And it makes me wonder whether if we hit bottom, anybody's going to notice. Because, man, when you hear these stories and see what's happening out there, it's like... wait, this feels a lot like end times.
Aren't we supposed to be bouncing back and realizing that we've erred and that this is all wrong? And then you get polling that it's like, oh no, a vast majority, a significant majority of the country is okay with all of this. I think it's great. And it, I think, suggests that we have become a remarkably desensitized
really uncurious country that like doesn't bother giving a shit about anyone who's not us. And that makes me wonder whether hitting bottom for real, for real is actually the way out of this. All right.
Now you're speaking my language. Okay. You can have empathy and recognize what might be needed. Your episode that's dropping today is about the efforts to eliminate DEI from the federal agencies. The war on woke.
The war on woke.
There's one example of this one that's just, I guess, takes us back to the Russian dark comedy at the start, I guess, which is that some education department employees were placed on leave after taking diversity training. But the end of the gag here is that the diversity training happened during Trump's first term. Yep. So what else did you kind of uncover for that episode?
Well, the Doge purge is like purge by keyword. It's like, is there anything in the resume that has the words DEI in it? Regardless of whether you work on DEI. Like, for example, these guys who went to a training. It's so wanton and haphazard. And I think that's twofold. One, I think that the haziness of all of this...
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