Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome to the show a former deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian affairs on the U.S.

National Security Council during part of Trump's first term.

She's also a national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia at the U.S.

National Intelligence Council.

Currently a senior fellow in foreign policy at Brookings.

Her books include her memoir, There's Nothing for You Here, Finding Opportunity in the 21st Century.

It's Fiona Hill.

How are you doing?

I've been kind of a little bit of a Fiona Hill fangirl for like six years now, you know, not fully.

So I'm not fully briefed on your whole story.

And so I thought, you know, in 2018, 19, in this period in Trump 1.0, these kind of characters emerged into our lives, you know, because people had to pay attention to things that normal people didn't pay attention to, you know, like what happened on

national security briefing calls between Eastern European countries and presidential advisors.

And so for a lot of those people, they kind of like, like you, they emerged from the ether.

Like, how did you find yourself testifying in Donald Trump's first impeachment?

I guess, could you give us like a little life story that landed you in that place?

That makes you feel like you're 300 years old to say that your mother was a midwife.

Not great news for your career, but good for the world.

Okay, that was pretty good.