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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1023: Ben Wittes: Sorry, We Still Have Due Process

17 Apr 2025

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The White House is doubling down on justifying its extra-judicial actions around Abrego Garcia by trying to incriminate him in the court of public opinion. But the government still can't pluck people off an American street and send them to a concentration camp without due process. Plus, Judge Boasberg is not letting Stephen Miller off the hook for defying his order to turn the Salvadoran-bound planes around. And while the administration tries to stir up outrage about one immigrant's marital problems, they admiringly describe the evil, blood-thirsty Vladimir Putin as a good guy. Ben Wittes joins Tim Miller. show notes CNBC on Chris Krebs leaving his company after being targeted by Trump Boasberg's probable cause finding to hold the goverment in criminal contempt Tim's 2019 Bulwark piece that he referenced  Support Lawfare

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7.415 - 20.514 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bulldog Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to be back with my pal, Editor-in-Chief of Lawfare, Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. He also writes Doe's Shirt Daily on Substack. It's Ben with us.

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20.915 - 21.316 Ben Wittes

Ouch.

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21.977 - 22.698 Tim Miller

No, is that not right?

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23.217 - 38.948 Ben Wittes

No, you know, that hurts. First of all, Dog Shirt Daily predates Doge. And, you know, that's like something I would expect Dan Bongino to say to me. And, you know, who I saw on the Amtrak the other day, he was sleeping.

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39.248 - 40.289 Tim Miller

Mouth open or closed?

41.148 - 59.477 Ben Wittes

It was closed. It wasn't a bad sleep, but he is the deputy FBI director sleeping during business hours. If Dan Bongino on his podcast called it Doe's Shirt Daily, I would think, okay. But for Tim Miller to do that, that's like –

60.137 - 76.744 Tim Miller

He used to be a competitor with me in the Apple Pod ratings, you know, now that he's been promoted, I guess, to deputy FBI director. You have something to aspire to. Yeah, it was nice for me. I moved up one slot and, you know, in the Wes Moore administration, who knows what I could be deputy of.

76.924 - 84.407 Ben Wittes

Do you feel qualified based on hosting the Bulwark podcast to be deputy FBI director?

85.418 - 99.764 Tim Miller

Boy, you know, I mean, it does prepare you for a lot. You got to have a wide remit. You know, you got to think about that. You got to be up relatively early in the morning. So I also take naps midday. I guess I'd say this. I think I could do a better job than Dan Bongino.

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