Americans have been spending more time alone—and less time doing face-to-face socializing—than we have for at least 60 years. And our alone time is impacting the economy, our politics, and our personalities, particularly among young people. Meanwhile, the fires in Los Angeles are a heartbreaking reminder that the California landscape was meant to burn—and it will keep happening whether we like it or not. Plus, the mystery around the sister of Sam Altman. Derek Thompson and Liz Weil join Tim Miller. show notes Derek's piece, "The Anti-Social Century" Derek's forthcoming book with Ezra Klein, "Abundance" Arlie Russell Hochschild's book, "Strangers in Their Own Land," referenced by Derek Hochschild's "Stolen Pride: Loss, Shame, and the Rise of the Right" "Palaces for the People" book Derek mentioned Liz's ProPublica piece on megafires Liz's piece, "This Isn't the California I Married" Liz's reporting on Sam Altman's sister, Annie
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We got a doubleheader today. The news out of Los Angeles is just so horrifying. We've added Liz Weil, who's been reporting on California fires for years, to segment two. So stick around for that.
But first, he's a staff writer at The Atlantic, author of the Work in Progress newsletter, host to one of my favorite pods, Plain English. You can go subscribe to that now. And he's got an upcoming book with Ezra Klein called Abundance. You can pre-order now. Maybe we'll have a three-way. That was unintentional when that book comes out, but you never know. It's Derek Thompson.
How are you doing, brother? Tim, what a generous open. Thank you so much. It's great to be here. Brother, I don't blow smoke, and so it's a generous intro because it's true. It's a great pod, but we've got a lot to get to. You have a cover story that we're here to talk about. The Atlantic Magazine about solitude.
And so I want to spend a bunch of time on that and then a few other things you've been writing about lately. I had this exclamation point in my notes as I was reading it. You wrote, study show Americans spent even more time alone in 2023 than they did in 2021.
when we didn't even have the vaccine all of 2021, and we were forcibly at home in 2021, many of us for at least a few months, that is a pretty alarming stat in an article that is filled with alarming stats. So talk to us just about the biggest picture trajectory and what you are reporting on.
The big picture here is that this is a long, long, long article that really pivots around one simple statistic, just one fact. And that fact is that Americans spend more time alone and less time in face-to-face socializing than we ever have going back at least 60 years in official government data and maybe going back 100, 150 years, given how social the first half of the 20th century was.
We have never in our lifetime spent this much time alone and this little time socializing with other people. And I think that statistic needed an anchoring. It needed a naming. It needed a big picture treatment because the way we spend our minutes is the way we spend our lives. And if we're spending our minutes alone, well, that has huge implications for The economy, we can talk about that.
For our politics, I hope we talk about that. And really, for our personalities. I think that our personalities change when we spend less and less time around other people with every passing year.
So the most important fact in the article is that according to a famous book by Robert Putnam called Bowling Alone, between the 1960s and 1990s, Americans participated in associations and clubs, bowling leagues and union clubs, less and less and less. And when the book came out in 2000, it caused a huge debate. Was Robert Putnam just lying with statistics? Did he have this all wrong?
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