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The Bulwark Podcast

Tom Malinowski: Fight the Power, Dems

11 Feb 2025

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The Democratic Party was made for different times, when rules were followed. But to preserve the basic power of Congress, and to prove that the Constitution is worth the paper it's printed on, the troublemakers in the Dem caucus have to get busy fighting over tariffs and a looming budget deal. Besides, Trump's strongest hand is performative outbursts—making threats and pretending he got something in return. Plus, Elon is giving away America's greatness, the EU should call Trump's bluff, and the Democrats should quit chasing donations from the social media companies that broke our democracy. Former congressman Tom Malinowski joins Tim Miller. show notes: Tom's Bulwark piece on how the Democrats should fight

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68.288 - 87.715 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to be here today with Tom Malinowski, Representative of Jersey's 7th Congressional District from 2019 to 2023. He was Assistant Secretary of State during the Obama administration, concentrating on democracy and human rights. And he wrote for us last week, five things Dems must do to fight Trump now.

88.335 - 105.892 Tim Miller

Want to talk about all of it. So welcome to the pod. How you doing, Congressman? I'm great. Everything's so wonderful. Is that right? What do you go by as a former congressman? You just want to be Tom? Do you want to be sir? Do you want to do sir? Your Excellency. Your Excellency? Just Tom's fine, yeah. We'll try out a couple different ones and see how it goes. All right.

107.073 - 123.527 Tim Miller

You know, I don't know that we're going to be doing democracy and human rights anymore at the State Department. So we're going to get to that and we're going to get to your recommendations. But Donald Trump did an interview last night on Fox. There was a lot of typical nonsense about, you know, election fraud and Greenland and whatever.

124.007 - 131.634 Tim Miller

But there was a substantive policy exchange that I wanted to get your take on. Here's Trump talking about his plans for what's happening in Ukraine.

132.526 - 155.144 Donald Trump

I want to have our money secured because we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars. And, you know, they may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday or they may not be Russian someday. But we're going to have all this money in there. And I say I want it back. And I told them that I want the equivalent, like five hundred billion dollars worth of rare earth.

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