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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1012: Sam Stein: Elon Is Toxic

Wed, 02 Apr 2025

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Musk was so high on his own supply that he thought he and his money were magic—but Wisconsin voters turned out in droves to prove to him just how toxic his brand and DOGE are. Meanwhile, the Dem base is looking highly engaged as they keep showing up for special elections in numbers Republicans used to deliver in off-cycle races. Plus, Cory Booker's epic filibuster, Mike Johnson gets owned by moms, and China will fill all the vacuums Trump is creating in science, foreign aid, and trade. Sam Stein joins Tim Miller.

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Chapter 1: Why is the Wisconsin Supreme Court race significant?

8.274 - 33.207 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Bulwark After Dark tonight. I am here with the Bulwark's Managing Editor, Sam Stein. We are taping right after the very professional call of the Wisconsin Supreme Court race made by the Decision Desk HQ, Dave Wasserman and others. And I got an early flight tomorrow and Sam's kid has a tick in his or her head. His. Yeah.

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33.936 - 39.001 Sam Stein

Thank you for the revelation. It was not enjoyable pulling that thing out. Hope I got it all.

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39.541 - 54.356 Tim Miller

So we're doing a late night taping tonight. So buckle up, everybody. We're punchy. All right, listener. You might think that, you know, the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, is that really worth it? Is that really a late night taping thing? Is that something I should care about? Let me tell you, if you have any doubts, I want to play for you.

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55.751 - 59.075 Tim Miller

One of the world's richest men discussing the Supreme Court race just the other day.

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60.016 - 77.756 Elon Musk

They think it's well, it's just, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that important. But actually what they're doing, what's happening on Tuesday is a vote for which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives. That is why it is so significant.

78.296 - 98.571 Elon Musk

And whichever party controls the house, to a significant degree, controls the country, which then steers the course of Western civilization. So it's like, I feel like this is one of those things that may not seem that it's gonna affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will. Yeah.

100.612 - 111.741 Tim Miller

Susan Crawford, the Democrat-aligned judge. You are affecting all of humanity, the destiny of humanity. Sam, what do you make of it? Good. Good.

112.342 - 113.863 Unidentified

Did you hear the guy scream at him?

113.903 - 115.925 Sam Stein

No pressure. No pressure.

Chapter 2: Can Elon Musk influence elections with his wealth?

793.581 - 814.032 Sam Stein

Two is there's been this sort of talk, and I know Lauren Egan is going to address this in her newsletter that comes out Wednesday night, about how the Democratic brand is so damaged and people like Democrats and how the party is going to never resuscitate itself. But that data point is bunk. I just think people need to get over that data point. We were there with the Republicans a while ago.

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814.212 - 817.714 Sam Stein

These things are cyclical. This is really just a referendum on Trump and Elon.

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818.274 - 821.056 Tim Miller

And then three is that- Thermostatic polarization, Sam.

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821.556 - 847.63 Sam Stein

Oh, yes. That's a more technical way to talk about it. And three is that- You do need to challenge every race. And the reason you do is because even if you don't win them all, you have to sort of create a bench for future races. And I'm reminded of how in 2009 and 2010, you were there. I mean, Obama had 60 Senate seats. The House majority was massive.

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848.01 - 851.512 Sam Stein

All the state offices were Democratic, it felt like. And then he just lost it all.

851.983 - 868.5 Tim Miller

I was working in Iowa then, so I was thinking of Dave Loebsack. It's like this random super left professor at Iowa ends up beating Leach, who had been there forever, who had been a Republican and had been there forever. So you win surprising places. That race didn't even have any ads in it, and this guy wins.

868.9 - 877.705 Sam Stein

No, and yeah, and they'll be shocked at the races that they actually win. And you just run for it, and you hope for the best, and sometimes you catch a lightning in a bottle.

878.006 - 894.677 Tim Miller

Yeah, one last thing, and I've been meaning to mention this because it's relevant. As a local perspective for Louisiana, people wouldn't have noticed this. Civilization did not rest on these four amendments that we voted on here in Louisiana last week in the special election. But the Republican governor, Jeff Landry, was pushing these kind of changes to the Constitution.

894.697 - 916.136 Tim Miller

They're on taxation and legal issues. And they're kind of arcane, except for the tax element. The rest of them were pretty arcane. But there was a big push from Democrats and activist groups here in Louisiana that was just like, vote no on them all, y'all. And there was a little ad campaign around it, just vote no, no to Jeff Landry, no to what he wants, F him, basically. It was the campaign.

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