Elon Musk
Appearances
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I mean, I have a sort of, you know, in sort of doing a sensible deregulation and... reduction in the size of government is just be very public about it, and say which of these rules, if the public is really excited about a rule and wants to keep it, we'll just keep it. And here's the thing about the rules, if the rule turns out to be bad, we'll just put it right back.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Okay, and then problem solved. It's easy to add rules, but we don't actually have a process for getting rid of them. That's the issue. There's no garbage collection for rules.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, round of numbers. It's pretty nutty. There is like this weird movement to quell free speech kind of around the world. And this is something we should be very concerned about. You know, you have to ask, like, why was the First Amendment like a high priority? It was like number one. It's because... People came from countries where if you spoke freely, you would be imprisoned or killed.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So maybe explain, because this is the first time. Yeah, there were like so many articles like that this is, Coder is dead forever. There's no way it could possibly even,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
They're really triggered, but... Yeah, I mean, if you like being condemned repeatedly, then, you know, for reasons that make no sense, then Threads is the way to go.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I mean, I think we'd need to do more than that, I think.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, look, I think we've, you know, If Trump wins, and obviously I suspect there are people with mixed feelings about whether that should happen, but we do have an opportunity to do kind of a once-in-a-lifetime deregulation and reduction in the size of government. Because the other thing, besides the regulations, America's also going bankrupt extremely quickly.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
and everyone seems to be sort of whistling past the graveyard on this one.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Well, you know, The Defense Department budget is a very big budget, okay? It's a trillion dollars a year, DOD, Intel, it's a trillion dollars. And interest payments on the national debt just exceeded the Defense Department budget. They're over a trillion dollars a year, just in interest and rising.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
We're adding a trillion dollars to our debt, which our kids and grandkids are gonna have to pay somehow, every three months. And then soon it's gonna be every two months, and then every month. And then the only thing we'll be able to pay is interest. It's just like a person at scale that has racked up too much credit card debt, And this does not have a good ending.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And so we have to reduce the spending.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Well, I do think it's sort of... you know, it's a false dichotomy. It's not like no government spending is gonna happen. You really have to say like, is it the right level? And just remember that, Any given person, if they are doing things in a less efficient organization versus a more efficient organization, their contribution to the economy, their net output of goods and services will reduce.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And they were like, well, we'd like to not have that here. Because that was terrible. And actually, you know, there's a lot of places in the world right now, if you're critical of the government, you get imprisoned or killed.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, you've got a couple of clear examples between East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea. I mean, North Korea, they're starving. South Korea, it's like amazing. It's the future.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, it's night and day. And so in North Korea, you've got 100% government. In South Korea, you've got probably, I don't know, 40% government. It's not zero. And yet you've got a standard of living that is probably 10 times higher in South Korea. At least. At least, exactly. And then East and West Germany. In West Germany, just thinking in terms of cars, you had BMW, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And East Germany, which is a random line on a map, The only car you could get was a Trabant, which is basically a lawnmower with a shell on it. And it was extremely unsafe. There was a 20-year wait. So you put your kid on the list as soon as they're conceived. And even then, only, I think, a quarter of people maybe got this lousy car.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And so that's just an interesting example of basically the same people, different operating system. And it's not like West Germany with some you know, a capitalist heaven. It was, it's quite socialist actually. So when you look, you know, probably it was half government in West Germany and 100% government in East Germany. And again, sort of a five,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I'd like to call it at least a 5 to 10x standard of living difference, and even qualitatively, vastly better. And it's obviously, you know, sometimes people have these, amazingly in this modern era, this debate as to which system is better. Well, I'll tell you which system is better. The one that doesn't need to build the wall to keep people in, okay?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
You have to build a barrier to keep people in. That is the bad system. It wasn't West Berlin that built the wall. Okay. They were like, you know, anyone who wants to flee West Berlin, go ahead.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So, you know, and if you look at sort of the flux of boats from Cuba, there's a large number of boats from Cuba. And there's a bunch of free boats that anyone can take to go back to Cuba. Plenty of seats. There's like, hey, wow, an abandoned boat. I could use this boat to go to Cuba where they have communism. Awesome.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, we'd like to not have that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And yet nobody picks up those boats and does it. Amazing. So... He's given this a lot of thought.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
If we cut government spending in half, jobs will be created fast enough to make up for... Right, just to count... Obviously, I'm not suggesting that people have immediately tossed out with no severance and now can't pay their mortgage. Then you see some reasonable off-ramp where...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, so a reasonable off-ramp where they're still receiving money but have, I don't know, a year or two to find jobs in the private sector, which they will find, and then they will be in a different operating system. Again, you can see the difference. East Germany was incorporated into West Germany. Living standards in East Germany rose dramatically.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Can I add to that? I suspect this is a receptive audience to that message.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, you know, there's that old phrase, go postal. I mean, it's like they might.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, I'm going to need a lot of security details, guys.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, the sheer number of disgruntled workers, former government employees is quite a scary number. I mean, I might not make it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And I like your idea of an offering. But the thing is that if it's not done, like if you have a once-in-a-lifetime or once-in-a-generation opportunity and you don't take serious action and then... You have four years to get it done, and if it doesn't get done, then... How serious is Trump about this?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, he is very serious about it. Got it. No, I think actually the reality is that if we get rid of nonsense regulations and shift people from the government sector to the private sector, we will have immense prosperity, and I think we will have a golden age in this country. And it'll be fantastic. Thank you.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. In fact, there's a very exciting launch that is maybe happening tonight. So if the weather is holding up, then I'm going to leave here, head to Cape Canaveral. for the Polaris Dawn mission, which is a private mission, so funded by Jared Isaacman, and he's an awesome guy. And this will be the first time, the first commercial spacewalk, and it'll be at the highest altitude since Apollo.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So it's the furthest from Earth that anyone's gone. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I sure hope so, man. No pressure. Yeah, you know, astronaut safety is, man, if I had all the wishes I could save up, that would be the one to put on. So, you know, space is dangerous. So, the... Yeah, the next milestone after that would be the next flight of Starship. The next flight of Starship is ready to fly. We are waiting for regulatory approval.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It really should not be possible to build a giant rocket faster than paper can move from one desk to another.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, they accidentally tell a joke and I was like, oh no, this is going to take a long time. But yeah, Zootopia, you know, the funny thing is like, so I went to the DMV about, I don't know, a year later after Zootopia, and to get my license renewal, and the guy, in an exercise of incredible self-awareness, had the sloth from Zootopia in his cube, and he was actually Swift.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
No, I mean, sometimes people think the, The government is more competent than it is. I'm not saying that there aren't competent people in the government, they're just in an operating system that is inefficient.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Once you move them to a more efficient operating system, their output is dramatically greater, as we've seen when East Germany was reintegrated with West Germany, and the same people were vastly more prosperous, with a basically half-capitalist operating system. But I mean, for a lot of people, like the maybe most direct experience with the government is the DMV.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And then the important thing to remember is that the government is the DMV at scale. Right. That's the government. Got the mental picture. How much do you want to scale it?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It's like you like to you like to Facebook posts throw them in the prison. Yeah People got an actual, you know prison for for like like obscure comments on social media not even shitposting like not even Like what is the
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I'm not saying say you're watched by these, but these... But based on our current progress with Starship, we were able to successfully reach Oval of Velocity twice. We were able to achieve soft landings of the booster and the ship in water. And that's despite the ship having half its flaps cooked off. You can see the video on the X platform. It's quite exciting.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
We think we'll be able to launch reliably and repeatedly and quite quickly. The fundamental holy grail breakthrough for rocketry, the fundamental breakthrough that is needed for life to become multi-planetary is a rapidly reusable, reliable rocket. With a pirate somehow. Throw a pirate in there.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Starship is the first rocket design where success is one of the possible outcomes with full reusability. So for any given project, you have to say, this is the circle to write Venn diagrams. Here's a circle, and it is success, the success dot in the circle, is success in the set of possible outcomes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
That sounds pretty obvious, but there are often projects where that success is not in the set of possible outcomes. And so Starship, Not only is full reusability in the set of possible outcomes, it is being proven with each launch. And I'm confident we'll succeed. It's simply a matter of time. And if we can get some improvement in the speed of regulation, we could actually move a lot faster. So...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
That would be very helpful. And in fact, if something isn't done about reducing regulation and sort of speeding up approvals, and to be clear, I'm not talking about anything unsafe. It's simply the processing of the safe thing can be done as fast as the rocket is built, not slower.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
then we could become a space-faring civilization and a multi-planet species and be out there among the stars in the future. It's incredibly important that we have things that we find inspiring, that you look to the future and say the future is going to be better than the past. Things to look forward to. Kids are a good... a good way to assess this. Like, what are kids fired up about?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And if you could say, you know, you could be an astronaut on Mars. You could maybe one day go beyond the solar system. We could make Star Trek, Starfleet Academy real. That is an exciting future. That is inspiring. You know, I mean, you need things that move your heart. Right.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Life can't just be about solving one miserable problem after another. There's got to be things that you look forward to as well.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I've always wondered if like... Rocket technology is considered advanced weapons technology, so we can't just go do it, you know... In another country. Yes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I wish people were trying to steal it. So, no one's trying to steal it. It's just too... It's too crazy, basically.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Well, I mean, I think Boeing is a company that is, they actually do so much business with the government, they have sort of impedance match to the government. So they're like basically one notch away from the government. They're not far from the government from an efficiency standpoint because they derive so much of their revenue from the government.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And a lot of people think, well, SpaceX is super dependent on the government. And actually, no, most of our revenue is commercial. So... And there's been, I think, at least up until perhaps recently, because they have a new CEO who actually shows up in the factory. And the CEO before that I think had a degree in accounting and never went to the factory and didn't know how airplanes flew.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Um, so I think if you are in charge of a company that makes airplanes fly and a spacecraft go to orbit, then it can't be a total mystery as to how they work. So, you know, I'm like, sure, if somebody's running Coke or Pepsi and they're great at marketing or whatever, that's fine, because it's not a sort of technology-dependent business.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Well, I guess we are trying to figure out is there some reasonable solution in Brazil. You know, the concern, I mean, I want to just make sure that this is framed correctly. And, you know, funny memes aside, the nature of the concern was that, at least at XCorp, we had the perception that we were being asked to do things that violated Brazilian law.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Or if they're running financial consulting in their degrees in accounting, that makes sense. But I think if you're the cavalry captain, you should know how to ride a horse.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. It's like it's disconcerting if the cavalry captain just falls off the horse. He's fucking inspired the team. I'm sorry. I'm scared of horses. Gets on backwards. I'm like, oops.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, I think the spending on AI probably runs ahead of, I mean, it does run ahead of the revenue right now. There's no question about that. But the rate of improvement of AI is faster than any technology I've ever seen by far. And it's, I mean, for example, the Turing test used to be a thing.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
now your basic open source, random LLM, you're writing on a frigging Raspberry Pi probably could, you know, beat the Turing test. So there's, I think actually, the good future of AI is one of immense prosperity where there is, an age of abundance, no shortage of goods and services.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Everyone can have whatever they want, except for things we artificially define to be scarce, like some special artwork. But anything that is a manufactured good or provided service will, I think, with the advent of AI plus robotics, that the cost of goods and services will be, trend to zero, I'm not saying it'll be actually zero, but it'll be, everyone will be able to have anything they want.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
That's the good future. Of course, in my view, that's probably 80% likely, so look on the bright side. Only 20%, 20% probability of annihilation, nothing. Is the 20%, what does that look like? I mean, frankly, I do have to go engage in some degree of deliberate suspension of disbelief with respect to AI in order to sleep well.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And even then, because I think the actual issue, the most likely issue is like, well, how do we find meaning in a world where AI can do everything we can do a bit better? That is perhaps the bigger challenge. At this point, I know more and more people who are retired and they seem to enjoy that life.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
But I think that maybe there'll be some crisis of meaning because the computer can do everything you can do but better. So maybe that'll be a challenge. But really, you need the sort of end effectors. be autonomous cars and you need the sort of humanoid robots or general purpose robots. But once you have general purpose humanoid robots and autonomous vehicles, really you can build anything.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And I think that there's no actual limit to the size of the economy. I mean, there's obviously the mass of Earth, like that would be one limit. But the economy is really just the average productivity per person times number of people. That's the economy. And if you've got humanoid robots that can do, where there's no real limit on the number of humanoid robots,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
and they can operate very intelligently, then there's no actual limit to the economy. There's no meaningful limit to the economy.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So obviously we cannot as an American company impose American laws and values on other countries that, you know, we wouldn't get very far if we did that. But we do, you know, think that if a country's laws are a particular way, and we're being asked to, we think we're being asked to break them, and be silent about it, then obviously that is no good.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Is that right? It's the most powerful supercomputer of any kind.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I mean, the Tesla problem is different from the... you know, the sort of LLM problem. The nature of the intelligence actually is actually, and what matters in the AI is different to the point you just made, which is that in Tesla's case, the context length is very long. So we've got gigabytes of context. Gigabyte context windows, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, you've got, you know, sort of... I was just bringing it up. Kind of billions of tokens of context. Nutty amount of context because you've got seven cameras, and if you've got several, you know, let's say you've got a minute of several high-def cameras, then that's gigabytes. So you need to compress.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So the Tesla problem is you've got to compress a gigantic context into the pixels that actually matter, and you know, and condense that over a time, so you've got to, in both the time dimension and the space dimension, you've got to compress the pixels in space and the pixels in time, and then have that inference done on a tiny computer, relatively speaking, a small one, like a few hundred watts.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It's a Tesla-designed AI inference computer, which is probably still the best. There isn't a better thing we could buy from suppliers. So the Tesla-designed AI inference computer that's in the cars is better than anything we could buy from any supplier. Just by the way, that's kind of a... The Tesla AI chip team is extremely good.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. No, the Tesla chip design team is extremely good.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It's not intentionally per se, but... Yeah, I mean, the... There's training and inference, and we do have those two projects at Tesla. We've got Dojo, which is the training computer, and then our inference chip, which is in every car, inference computer. At Dojo, we've only had Dojo 1. Dojo 2, we should have Dojo 2 in volume towards the end of next year.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And that will be, we think, sort of comparable to sort of a B200 type system, a training system. And, you know, so I guess there's some potential for that to be used as a service. Dojo is just kind of like... I mean, I guess I have like some... improved confidence in Dojo, but I think we won't really know how good Dojo is until probably version three.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It usually takes three major iterations on a technology for it to be excellent, and we'll only have the second major iteration next year. The third iteration, I don't know, maybe late 2020. 26 or something like that.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
you know, anything made in sufficient volume will asymptotically approach the cost of its materials. So now there's, I should say, some things are constrained by the cost of intellectual property and like paying for patents and stuff. So a lot of, you know, what's in a chip is like paying royalties and depreciation of the chip fab. But the actual marginal cost of the chips is very low.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So I just want to be clear, sometimes it comes across as Elon's trying to just be a crazy, whatever, billionaire, and demand outrageous things from other countries. you know, while that is true.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So Optimus obviously is a humanoid robot. It weighs much less and is much smaller than a car. So you could expect that in high volume, and I'd say that you also probably need three production versions of Optimus. So you need to refine the design at least three major times, and then you need to scale production to sort of the million unit plus per year level.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And I think at that point, the cost, the labor and materials on Optimus is probably not much more than $10,000.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Basically, think of it like, Optimus will cost less than a small car.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So at scale volume with three major iterations of technology, and so if a small car you know, costs $25,000, you know, it's probably like, I don't know, $20,000 for an Optimus, for a humanoid robot that can be your buddy, like a combination of R2-D2 and C-3PO, but better.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I mean... Honestly, I think people are going to get really attached to their humanoid robot because, I mean, like you look at sort of what Star Wars is like, R2-D2 and C-3PO, I love those guys. Yeah. You know, they're awesome. and their personality, and I mean, all R2 could do is just beep at you. You couldn't speak English. Maybe C3PO to translate the beeps.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I would say major iterations are less than two years, so it's probably on the order of five years. maybe six to get to a million units a year.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I think the number of robots will vastly exceed the number of humans. Vastly, yeah. Vastly exceed. I mean, you have to say, who would not want their robot buddy? Everyone wants a robot buddy. Totally. You know, it's just like, especially if it can, you know, it can take care of your, take your dog for a walk, it could, you know,
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
In addition, there are other things that I think are, you know, valid, which is like, we obviously can't, you know, I think any given thing that we do at XCorp, we've gotta be able to explain in light of day and not feel that it was dishonorable or, you know, We did the wrong thing. That's the nature of the concern.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
mow the lawn, it could watch your kids, it could teach your kids, it could... But we could also send it to Mars. Yeah, absolutely.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Mars is already a robot planet. There's a whole bunch of robots, like rovers and helicopters. It's only robots. Yeah, it's only robots. So yeah, the... No, I think the sort of useful humanoid robot opportunity is the single biggest opportunity ever. Because if you assume like, I mean, the ratio of humanoid robots to humans is going to be at least two to one, maybe three to one.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Because everybody will want one, and then there'll be a bunch of robots that you don't see that are making goods and services.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, we are a generalized robot. Yeah, we're a generalized non-robot. We're just made of meat, you know?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, I mean, I'm operating my meat puppet, you know? So, yeah, we are actually, and by the way, it turns out like as we're designing Optimus, we sort of learn more and more about why humans are shaped the way they're shaped. And why we have five fingers and why your little finger is smaller than your index finger.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Obviously why you have opposable thumbs, but also why, for example, the muscles, the major muscles that operate your hand are actually in your forearm. and your fingers are primarily operated. The muscles that actuate your fingers are located, the vast majority of your finger strength is actually coming from your forearm. And your fingers are being operated by tendons, little strings.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And so the current version of the Optimus hand has the actuators in the hand. and has only 11 degrees of freedom. So it doesn't have all the degrees of freedom of human hand, which has, depending on how you count it, roughly 25 degrees of freedom. And it's also not strong enough in certain ways because the actuators have to fit in the hand.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So the next generation Optimus hand, which we have in prototype form, the actuators have moved to the forearm, just like a human, and they operate the fingers through cables, just like the human hand. And the next generation hand has 22 degrees of freedom, which we think is enough to do almost anything that a human can do.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It was a little terrorizing on the first couple of days, but... Yeah, I was a bit worried at the beginning there because, frankly, nothing was funny.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Rough. Yeah, so, I mean...
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, how much time do we have here?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
You really wanna hear that? I mean.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
All right, here we go, guys. All right, so one of the things that I think everyone's been sort of wondering this whole time is, is Saturday Night Live actually live? Like live. Live, live, live. Or do they have like a delay or like just in case, you know, there's a wardrobe malfunction or something like that. Is it like a, you know, five second delay? What's really going on?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
But there's a way to test this.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
There's a way to test this, which is we don't tell them what's going on. I walk on and say, this is the script I'll throw on the ground. We're gonna find out tonight, right now, if Saturday Night Live is actually live. And the way that we're going to do this is I'm going to take my cock out.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And if you don't, it's been a lie.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
We're gonna bust them right now.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, yeah, so we're pitching this. On Zoom. Yeah, we're pitching this on Zoom on like a Monday. It's COVID. Yeah, we're like kind of hungover from the weekend and we're like pitching this at noon. We're in Miami, yeah. And it's, you know, Jason's on. And Mike, you know, my friends who I think are sort of quite funny, you know, Jason's quite funny.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
We actually are in discussions with the judicial authorities in Brazil to try to run this to ground. What's actually going on? If we're being asked to break the law Brazilian law, then that obviously should not sit well with the Brazilian judiciary. And if we're not and we're mistaken, we'd like to understand how we're mistaken. I think that's a pretty reasonable position.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I think Jason's the closest thing to Cartman that exists in real life.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And my friend Mike's pretty funny too. So we come in just like guns blazing with ideas. And we didn't realize actually that's not how it works. That's normally like actors and they just get told what to do. I'm like, oh, you mean we can't just like... do funny things that we thought of. What?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Is our mic on? And they're like, we hear you. And then after a long silence, Mike just says the word, crickets. And they're not laughing. Not even a chuckle. I'm like, what's going on here?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
So Elon says... So then I'm like... So I say, like, I'm going to reach down... Into my pants. Into my pants. And I stick my hand in my pants. And I'm going to pull my cock out. And I tell this to the audience. And the audience is going to be like, what? Right. And? And then I pull out a baby rooster. You know?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And it's like, okay, this is kind of PG. It's not that bad. This is my tiny cock. And... And it's like, what do you think? And do you think it's an ice cock? I mean, I like it.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. I don't mean to disappoint you, Kate, but yeah. But I hope you like it anyway. But Kate's got to come out with her cat, okay?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And Kate says... You can see where this is going. And I say, wow, that's a nice pussy you've got there, Kate. Wow, that's amazing. It looks a little wet. Was it raining outside? No. Do you mind if I stroke your pussy? Is that cool? It's like, oh, no, Elon, actually, can I hold your cock? Of course, Kate, you definitely hold my cock. And then, you know, we exchange.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And I think just the audio version of this is pretty good. Right. And, you know, it's just like, wow, I really like stroking your cock. And I was like...
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
A lot of moms in the audience. And I'm like, well, that's a good point.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It might be a bit uncomfortable for all the moms in the audience. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they'll dig it. Maybe they'll like it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, there's a bunch of things that I said that were just not on the script. They have these cue cards for what you're supposed to say, and I just didn't say it. I just went off the rails.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Oh, yeah. I wanted to do the Doge father, like you sort of redo that scene from The Godfather. I mean, you kind of need the music to cue things up.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Listen, you ask for Doge. And I give you Bitcoin, but you want Doge. Exactly. You really got to set the mood. You got to have a tuxedo. And this whole concept of the Doge father.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
We'll save the other eight.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Oh, yeah, yeah. There have been three articles, and I think in the past three weeks. Robert Reich. But it wasn't just him. It was three different articles.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Calling for me to be imprisoned. In the guardian, you know. Guardian of what?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Guardian of, I don't know. Authoritarianism?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
if somebody's sort of trying to push a false premise on the world, then that premise can be undermined with public dialogue, then they will be opposed to public dialogue on that premise because they wish that false premise to prevail. So that's, I think, the issue there is if they don't like the truth, then we want to suppress it. Now, the sort of
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
But what we're trying to do with XCorp is, I distinguish that from my son, who's also called X. You have parental goals, and then you have goals for the company. Everything's just called X, basically. It's a very difficult disambiguation.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, it's X everything. So what we're trying to do is simply adhere to the... you know, the laws in a country. So if something is illegal in the United States or if it's illegal in, you know, Europe Brazil or wherever it might be, then we will take it down and we'll suspend the account because we're not there to make the laws. But if speech is not illegal, then what are we doing?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Okay, now we're injecting ourselves in as a censor and where does it stop and who decides? And where does that path lead? I think it leads to a bad place. If the people in a country want the laws to be different, they should make the laws different. But otherwise, we're gonna obey the law in each jurisdiction.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It's not more complicated than that. We're not trying to fill out the law. I'm going to be clear about that. We're trying to adhere to the law. And if the laws change, we will change. And if the laws don't change, we won't. We're just literally trying to adhere to the law.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. I mean, it's rarely a slow week. I mean, in the world as well.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yes, it's very straightforward. And if somebody thinks we're not adhering to the law, well, they can file a lawsuit. Bingo.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Well, it is illegal. It is illegal in those countries.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
No, in some cases, it is just obviously illegal. Like, you don't need to file a lawsuit for... if something is just unequivocally illegal, we can literally read the law, this violates the law, anyone can see that. You don't need, if somebody is stealing, you don't need, let me check the law on that.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yes, yes. I posted that one. Tell us about it. I made it using Grok, the Grok image generator. And I posted it.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean, any given week, it just seems like the thing's getting out of here.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I think with great difficulty, but it's been a long time since there was a serious effort to reduce the size of government and to remove absurd regulations. And the last time there was a really concerted effort on that front was Reagan in the early 80s. We're 40 years away from a serious effort to remove regulations that don't serve the greater good and reduce the size of government.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And I think it's just if we don't do that, then what's happening is that we get regulations and laws accumulating every year until eventually everything's illegal. And that's why we can't get major infrastructure projects done in the United States.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Like if you look at the absurdity of the California high-speed rail, I think they spent $7 billion and have a 1,600-foot segment that doesn't actually have rail in it. I mean, your tax dollars at work, I mean.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
That's an expensive 1,600 feet of concrete, you know? And I mean, I think it's like, you know, I realize sometimes I'm perhaps a little optimistic with schedules, but, you know. I mean, I wouldn't be doing the things I'm doing if I was, you know, not an optimist. But at the current trend, California high speed rail might finish sometime next century. Maybe, but probably not.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I mean... Well, if we are in some alien Netflix series, I think the ratings are high.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, exactly. AI do everything at that point. I think you really think of the United States, and many countries, it's arguably worse than the EU, as being like Gulliver tied down by a million little strings. And like any one given regulation is not that bad, but you've got a million of them, or millions actually. And then eventually you just can't get anything done.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And this is a massive tax on the consumer, on the people. It's just they don't realize that there's this massive tax in the form of irrational regulations. I'll give you a recent example that is just insane. SpaceX was fined by the EPA $140,000 for, they claimed, dumping potable water on the ground, drinking water. And we're like, this is at Starbase.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And we're like, we're in a tropical thunderstorm region. That stuff comes from the sky all the time. And... And there was no actual harm done. It was just water to cool the launch pad during liftoff. And there's zero harm done. And they're like, they agree, yes, there's zero harm done. And we're like, okay, so there's no harm done. And you want us to pay $140,000 fine?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
It's like, yes, because you didn't have a permit. Okay. We didn't know there was a permit needed for zero harm, fresh water being on the ground in a place that where fresh water falls from the sky all the time.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it rains so much the roads are flooded. So we're like, you know, how does this make any sense?
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And then they were like, well, we're not going to process any more of your applications for launch, for Starship launch, unless you pay this $140,000. So they just ransomed us. And we're like, okay, so we paid $140,000. But it's like, this is no good. I mean, at this rate, we're never going to get to Mars.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
And just to give you a sense of size, the Tesla Gigafactory in China is three times the size of the Pentagon.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
No, there were bigger buildings, but the Pentagon's a pretty big one.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
In units of Pentagon, it's like three.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
I think it's like 44 billion, something like that.
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Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Got it. In 14 months. Just the regulatory approvals in California would have taken two years. So that's the issue.
Apple News Today
Unpacking Elon Musk’s claims about Social Security
We've got people in there that are 150 years old. Now, do you know anyone who's 150? I don't. Okay. They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records.
Apple News Today
How worried should you be about bird flu?
As we dug into USAID, it became apparent that what we have here is not an apple with a worm in it, but we have actually just a ball of worms.
Apple News Today
Tips to protect the data on your phone at airports
I feel like this is one of those things that may not seem that it's going to affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will.
Apple News Today
Musk’s latest email to federal employees sows more confusion
It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything.
Consider This from NPR
Former DOGE employee: work could 'cross extreme ethical and legal lines'
But we do need to move quickly if we're to achieve a trillion dollar deficit reduction in financial year 2026.
Consider This from NPR
Former DOGE employee: work could 'cross extreme ethical and legal lines'
I actually just call myself a humble tech support here because this is actually... Musk spoke Wednesday at Trump's first cabinet meeting.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
I feel like this is one of those things that may not seem that it's going to affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
Only 20% chance of annihilation.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
Nothing seems to be turning that around. Humanity is dying.
Consider This from NPR
They want America to have more babies. Is this their moment?
The birth rate is very low in almost every country. And unless that changes, civilization will disappear.
Global News Podcast
Zelensky says Trump 'living in disinformation space' created by Russia
They wouldn't be complaining so much if we weren't doing something useful, I think. All we're really trying to do here is restore the will of the people through the president. And what we're finding is that there's an unelected bureaucracy, speaking of unelected, there's a vast federal bureaucracy that is implacably opposed to the president and the cabinet.
Global News Podcast
Zelensky says Trump 'living in disinformation space' created by Russia
Wenn die Wille des Präsidenten nicht implementiert wird und der Präsident... Repräsentative of the people, that means the will of the people is not being implemented. And that means we don't live in a democracy, we live in a bureaucracy. And so I think what we're seeing here is the sort of thrashing of the bureaucracy as we try to restore democracy and the will of the people.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
Sam Altman on His Feud with Elon Musk—and the Battle for AI's Future
I don't trust OpenAI. I don't trust Sam Altman. And I don't think we want to have the most powerful AI in the world controlled by someone who is not trustworthy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Then take the concept you're trying to convey, compress that into a small number of syllables, speak them, and hope that the other person decompresses them into a conceptual structure that is as close to what you have in your mind as possible.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, very lossy compression and decompression. And a lot of what your neurons are doing is distilling the concepts down to a small number of symbols, of say, syllables that I'm speaking, or keystrokes, whatever the case may be. So that's a lot of what your brain computation is doing. Now, there is an argument that that's actually
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
a healthy thing to do or a helpful thing to do because as you try to compress complex concepts, you're perhaps forced to distill what is most essential in those concepts as opposed to just all the fluff. So in the process of compression, you distill things down to what matters the most because you can only say a few things. So that is perhaps helpful.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
We'll probably get, if our data rate increases, it's highly probable that we'll become far more verbose. Just like your computer, you know, when computers had like, my first computer had 8K of RAM, you know, so you really thought about every byte. And, you know, now you've got computers with many gigabytes of RAM.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So, you know, if you want to do an iPhone app that just says, hello world, it's probably, I don't know, several megabytes minimum, a bunch of fluff. But nonetheless, we still prefer to have the computer with more memory and more compute. So the long-term aspiration of Neuralink is to improve the AI-human symbiosis by increasing the bandwidth of the communication.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because in the most benign scenario of AI, you have to consider that the AI is simply going to get bored waiting for you to spit out a few words. I mean, if the AI can communicate at terabits per second and you're communicating at bits per second, it's like talking to a tree.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I think there is some argument for humans as a source of will. Will. Will, yeah. Source of will or purpose. So if you consider the
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
human mind as being essentially the there's the primitive limbic elements which basically even like reptiles have and there's the cortex that's the thinking and planning part of the brain now the cortex is much smarter than the limbic system and yet is largely in service to the limbic system it's trying to make the limbic system happy i mean the sheer amount of compute that's gone into people trying to get laid is insane without the without actually
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
seeking procreation they're just literally trying to do this sort of simple motion and they get a kick out of it yeah so this uh simple which in the abstract rather absurd motion which is sex uh the cortex is putting a massive amount of compute into trying to figure out how to do that
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, yeah. There's no purpose to most sex except hedonistic. You know, it's just sort of joy or whatever. Dopamine release. Now, once in a while, it's procreation. But for humans, it's mostly... Modern humans, it's mostly recreational. And so... So your cortex, much smarter than your limbic system, is trying to make the limbic system happy because the limbic system wants to have sex.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Or wants some tasty food, or whatever the case may be. And then that is then further augmented by the tertiary system, which is your phone, your laptop, iPad, whatever, or your computing stuff. That's your tertiary layer. So you're actually already a cyborg. You have this tertiary compute layer, which is in the form of your computer with all the applications, all your compute devices.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And so in the getting laid front, there's actually a massive amount of digital compute also trying to get laid. you know, with like Tinder and whatever, you know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. I mean, there's like gigawatts of compute going into getting laid, of digital compute. Yeah.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Pretty much. Well, it's just one of the things, certainly, yeah. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that, yes, is there a use for humans... Well, there's this fundamental question of what's the meaning of life? Why do anything at all?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And so if our simple limbic system provides a source of will to do something that then goes to our cortex, that then goes to our, you know, tertiary compute layer, then, you know, I don't know, it might actually be that the AI in a benign scenario is simply trying to make the human limbic system happy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. I mean, there are these sort of fairly cerebral kind of higher level goals. I mean, for me, it's like, what's the meaning of life or understanding the nature of the universe is of great interest to me and hopefully to the AI. And that's the, That's the mission of XAI and Grok is understand the universe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, assuming that they're not... I mean, they're solving basic... neurological issues that people have, you know, if they've got damaged neurons in their spinal cord or neck, or, you know, as is the case with our first two patients, then, you know, this, obviously, the first order of business is solving fundamental neuron damage in the spinal cord, neck or in the brain itself. So
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Our second product is called Blindsight, which is to enable people who are completely blind, lost both eyes or optic nerve or just can't see at all to be able to see by directly triggering the neurons in the visual cortex. So we're just starting at the basics here. This is like the simple stuff. uh, relatively speaking is, uh, solving, um, neuron damage.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Um, you know, it can also solve, uh, I think probably schizophrenia, you know, um, if people have seizures of some kind, it probably solve that. Um, it could help with memory there. So there's like a kind of a, a tech tree, if you will, like you got the basics. Um, You need literacy before you can have Lord of the Rings. Got it. Do you have letters and alphabet? Okay, great. Words?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Eventually you get sagas. I think there may be some things to worry about in the future, but the first several years are really just solving basic neurological damage. Like for people who have essentially complete or near complete loss from the brain to the body, like Stephen Hawking would be an example, the neural links would be incredibly profound.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because I mean, you can imagine if Stephen Hawking could communicate as fast as we're communicating, perhaps faster. And that's certainly possible. Probable, in fact, likely, I'd say.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
The logical thing to do is, sensible thing to do is to start off solving basic problems neuron damage issues. Because there's obviously some risk with a new device. You can't get the risk down at zero. It's not possible. So you want to have the highest possible reward given there's a certain irreducible risk.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And if somebody's able to have a profound improvement in their communication, that's worth the risk. As you get the risk down. Yeah, as you get the risk down, once the risk is down to, you know, if you have thousands of people that have been using it for years and the risk is minimal, then perhaps at that point you could consider saying, okay, let's aim for augmentation. Now, I think we...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
We're actually going to aim for augmentation with people who have neuron damage. So we're not just aiming to give people a communication data rate equivalent to normal humans. We're aiming to give people who have, you know, quadriplegic or maybe have complete loss of the connection to the brain and body, a communication data rate that exceeds normal humans. I mean, while we're in there, why not?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Let's give people superpowers.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. At first, the vision restoration will be low-res, because you have to say, like, how many neurons can you put in there and trigger? And you can do things where you adjust the electric field to, like, even if you've got, say, 10,000 neurons, it's not just 10,000 pixels, because you can
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
adjust the field between the neurons and do them in patterns in order to have, say, 10,000 electrodes effectively give you, I don't know, maybe like having a megapixel or a 10 megapixel situation. And then over time, I think you get to higher resolution than human eyes, and you could also see in different wavelengths.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So like Geordi LaForge from Star Trek, you know, like the thing you could just, do you want to see in radar? No problem. You can see ultraviolet, infrared, equal vision, whatever you want.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I took an extremely high dose. Don't go hugging an anaconda or something, you know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
You know, like 10 miles outside of Rio or something. No, we weren't...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, I mean... Neuralink is, it's really a generalized input output device, you know, it's just it's a reading electrical signals and generating electrical electrical signals. And I mean, everything that you've ever experienced in your whole life, smell, you know, emotions, all of those are electrical signals. So
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It's kind of weird to think that your entire life experience is just sold down to electrical signals for neurons, but that is in fact the case. I mean, that's at least what all the evidence points to. So, I mean, you could trigger the right neuron, you could trigger a particular scent, you could certainly make things glow. I mean, do pretty much anything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, really, you can think of the brain as a biological computer. So if there are certain, say, chips or elements of that biological computer that are broken, let's say your ability to, if you've got a stroke, if you've had a stroke, that means you've got, some part of your brain is damaged.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
um if that let's say it's a speech generation or the ability to move your left hand um that's the kind of thing that a neural link could solve um if it's uh if you've got like a massive amount of memory loss that's just gone um well we can't go we can't get the memories back uh we could restore your ability to make memories but we can't you know restore memories that are fully gone.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Now, I should say, maybe if part of the memory is there and the means of accessing the memory is the part that's broken, then we could re-enable the ability to access the memory. But you can think of it like RAM in a computer. If the RAM is destroyed or your SD card is destroyed, we can't get that back. But if the connection to the SD card is destroyed, we can fix that.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
If it is fixable physically, then it can be fixed.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, you could say like create the most probable set of memories based on all information you have about that person. You could then... there would be probabilistic restoration of memory. Now we're getting pretty esoteric here.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, well, I mean, what are we but our memories? And what is death but the loss of memory? Loss of information.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
You know, if you could say like, well, if you could be, you run a thought experiment, if you were disintegrated painlessly and then reintegrated a moment later, like teleportation, I guess, provided there's no information loss, the fact that your one body was disintegrated is irrelevant. And memories is just such a huge part of that.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Death is fundamentally the loss of information, the loss of memory.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It's an idea that may help with AI safety. Certainly not... I wouldn't want to claim it's like some panacea or that it's a sure thing. But, I mean, many years ago I was thinking like, well, what would inhibit alignment of collective human will with AI?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
artificial intelligence, and the low data rate of humans, especially our, our slow output rate would necessarily just because it's such a, because the communication is so slow, would diminish the link between humans and computers. Like the more your tree, the less you know what the tree is,
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
let's say you look at this plant or whatever and like, hey, I'd really like to make that plant happy, but it's not saying a lot, you know?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. We could better align collective human will with AI if the output rate especially was dramatically increased. And I think there's potential to increase the output rate by, I don't know, three, maybe six, maybe more orders of magnitude. Yeah. It's better than the current situation.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, if it's extremely safe and you can have superhuman abilities, and let's say you can upload your memories, so you wouldn't lose memories, then I think probably a lot of people would choose to have it. It would supersede the cell phone, for example. The biggest problem that, say, a phone has is trying to figure out what you want.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So that's why you've got autocomplete and you've got output, which is all the pixels on the screen. But from the perspective of the human, the output is so frigging slow. Desktop or phone is desperately just trying to understand what you want. And there's an eternity between every keystroke from a computer standpoint.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. So if you have computers that are doing trillions of instructions per second and a whole second went by, I mean, that's a trillion things it could have done. Yeah.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. It would be, We would be something different. I mean, some sort of futuristic cyborg. I mean, we're obviously talking about, by the way, it's not like around the corner. You asked me what the distant future is. Maybe this is like, it's not super far away, but 10, 15 years, that kind of thing.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Probably less than 10 years. Depends what you want to do, you know?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because the reaction time would be faster.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
For AI, that means you've got to have the most powerful training compute. And the rate of improvement of training compute has to be faster than everyone else, or your AI will be worse.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, they all matter. It's sort of like saying what, you know, let's say it's a Formula One race, like what matters more, the car or the driver? I mean, they both matter. If your car is not fast, then, you know, if it's like, let's say it's half the horsepower of your competitors, the best driver will still lose. If it's twice the horsepower, then probably even a mediocre driver will still win.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So the training computer is kind of like the engine. How many horsepower of the engine? So really, you want to try to do the best on that. And then how efficiently do you use that training compute? And how efficiently do you do the inference, the use of the AI? So obviously, that comes down to human talent. And then what unique access to data do you have? That also plays a role.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Do you think Twitter data will be useful? Yeah, I mean, I think most of the leading AI companies have already scraped all the Twitter data. Not that I think they have. So on a go-forward basis, what's useful is the fact that it's up to the second. Because it's hard for them to scrape in real time. So there's an immediacy advantage that Grok has already.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I think with Tesla and the real-time video coming from several million cars, ultimately tens of millions of cars, with Optimus, there might be hundreds of millions of Optimus robots, maybe billions, learning a tremendous amount from the real world. That's the biggest source of data, I think, ultimately, is sort of Optimus. Optimus is going to be the biggest source of data. Because reality scales.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Reality scales to the scale of reality. It's actually humbling to see how little data humans have actually been able to accumulate. Really, if you say how many trillions of usable tokens have humans generated where on a non-duplicative, like discounting spam and repetitive stuff, it's not a huge number. You run out. pretty quickly.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, like the optimus robot can like pick up the cup and see, did it pick up the cup in the right way? Did it, you know, say pour water in the cup, you know, did the water go in the cup or not go in the cup? Did it spill water or not? Simple stuff like that. But it can do that at scale times a billion. So generate useful data from reality. So cause and effect stuff.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Global capacity for vehicles is about 100 million a year. And it could be higher, it's just that the demand is on the order of 100 million a year. And then there's roughly 2 billion vehicles that are in use in some way. So, which makes sense, like the life of a vehicle is about 20 years. So at steady state, you can have 100 million vehicles produced a year with a 2 billion vehicle fleet, roughly.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Now for humanoid robots, the utility is much greater. So my guess is humanoid robots are more like at a billion plus per year.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So walk in the park. I mean, Optimus currently would struggle to walk in the park. I mean, it can walk in a park. A park is not too difficult. But it will be able to walk over a wide range of terrain. Yeah, and pick up objects. Yeah, yeah.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, there's going to be an immense amount of engineering just going into the hand. The hand might be close to half of all the engineering in Optimus. From an electromechanical standpoint, the hand is probably roughly half of the engineering.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, you start really thinking about your hand and how it works. You know? I do it all the time. The sensory control homunculus is where you have humongous hands. Yeah. So, I mean, like your hands, the actuators, the muscles of your hand are almost overwhelmingly in your forearm.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So your forearm has the muscles that actually control your hand. There's a few small muscles in the hand itself, but your hand is really like a skeleton meat puppet and with cables. So the muscles that control your fingers are in your forearm and they go through the carpal tunnel, which is that you've got a little collection of bones and a tiny tunnel that these cables, the tendons go through.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And those tendons are, mostly what moves your hands.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, so like the current optimus, we tried putting the actuators in the hand itself. Then you sort of end up having these like- Giant hands? Yeah, giant hands that look weird. And then they don't actually have enough degrees of freedom or enough strength. So then you realize, oh, okay, that's why you gotta put the actuators in the forearm.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And just like a human, you've got to run cables through a narrow tunnel to operate the fingers. And then there's also a reason for not having all the fingers the same length. So it wouldn't be expensive from an energy or evolutionary standpoint to have all your fingers be the same length. So why not do the same length?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because it's actually better to have different lengths. Your dexterity is better if you've got fingers of different length. There are more things you can do, and your dexterity is actually better if your fingers are of different length. There's a reason we've got a little finger. Why not have a little finger that's bigger?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because it helps you with fine motor skills. This little finger helps? It does. If you lost your little finger, you'd have noticeably less dexterity.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It's actually going to be quite complicated. The as-possible part is it's quite a high bar. If you want to have a humanoid robot that can do things that a human can do, it's actually a very high bar. So our new arm has 22 degrees of freedom instead of 11 and has the, like I said, the actuators in the forearm.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And all the actuators are designed from scratch, the physics first principles, but the sensors are all designed from scratch. And we'll continue to put a tremendous amount of engineering effort into improving the hand. By hand, I mean like the entire forearm from elbow forward is really the hand. So that's incredibly difficult engineering actually.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And so the simplest possible version of a human or a robot that can do even most, perhaps not all, of what a human can do is actually still very complicated. It's not simple. It's very difficult.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, it's easy to say simplify it, and it's very difficult to do it. You know, I have this very basic first principles algorithm that I run kind of as like a mantra, which is to first question the requirements, make the requirements less dumb. The requirements are always dumb to some degree. So you want to sort of by reducing the number of requirements.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And no matter how smart the person is who gave you those requirements, they're still dumb to some degree. You have to start there because otherwise you could get the perfect answer to the wrong question. So try to make the question the least wrong possible. That's what question the requirements means.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And then the second thing is try to delete the, whatever the step is, the part or the process step. Sounds very obvious, but people, often forget to try deleting it entirely. And if you're not forced to put back at least 10% of what you delete, you're not deleting enough.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And it's somewhat illogically, people often, most of the time, feel as though they've succeeded if they've not been forced to put things back in. But actually they haven't because they've been overly conservative and have left things in there that shouldn't be. So, and only the third thing is try to optimize it or simplify it.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Again, these all sound, I think, very, very obvious when I say them, but the number of times I've made these mistakes is more than I care to remember. That's why I have this mantra. So in fact, I'd say that the most common mistake of smart engineers is to optimize a thing that should not exist, right?
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. Yeah, that's not easy to do. No, and actually, what generally makes people uneasy is that you've got to delete at least some of the things that you delete, you will put back in. But going back to sort of where our limbic system can steer us wrong is that we tend to remember with sometimes a jarring level of pain where we deleted something that we subsequently needed.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And so people will remember that one time they forgot to put in this thing three years ago and that caused them trouble. And so they overcorrect and then they put too much stuff in there and overcomplicate things. So you actually have to say, no, we're deliberately going to delete more than we should. So that we're putting at least one in 10 things we're going to add back in.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Everybody feels a little bit of the pain. Absolutely. And I tell them in advance, like, yeah, there's some of the things that we delete, we're going to put back in. And people get a little shook by that. But it makes sense because if you're so conservative as to never have to put anything back in, you obviously have a lot of stuff that isn't needed. So you got it overcorrect.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
This is, I would say, like a cortical override to Olympic instinct.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. There's like a step four as well, which is any given thing can be sped up. However fast you think it can be done. Whatever the speed is being done, it can be done faster. But you shouldn't speed things up until you've tried to delete it and optimize it. Otherwise, you're speeding up something that shouldn't exist. It's absurd. And then the fifth thing is to automate it.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And I've gone backwards so many times where I've automated something, sped it up, simplified it, and then deleted it. And I got tired of doing that. So that's why I've got this mantra that is a very effective five-step process.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, it's not working yet, so I want to pop the champagne corks. In fact, I have a call in a few hours with the Memphis team because we're having some power fluctuation issues. Yes. Yeah, it's kind of a... When you do... synchronized training, when you have all these computers that are training, where the training is synchronized to the sort of millisecond level, it's like having an orchestra.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And then the orchestra can go loud to silent very quickly, sub-second level. And then the electrical system kind of freaks out about that. Like if you suddenly see giant shifts, 10, 20 megawatts, several times a second, this is not what electrical systems are expecting to see.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Today's problem is dealing with extreme power jitter. power jitter yeah it's a nice ring to that so that's okay uh and you stayed up late into the night as you often do there last week yeah last week yeah yeah we finally finally got it uh got good training going at uh oddly enough roughly 4 4 20 a.m at last monday Total coincidence. Yeah, I mean, maybe it was 422 or something.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, so I try to do whatever the people at the front lines are doing, I try to do it at least a few times myself. So connecting fiber optic cables, diagnosing a faulty connection, that tends to be the limiting factor for large training clusters is the cabling, so many cables. Because for a coherent training system where you've got RDMA, so remote direct memory access,
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
The whole thing is like one giant brain. So you've got any-to-any connection. So any GPU can talk to any GPU out of 100,000. That is a crazy cable layout.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, the human brain also has a massive amount of the brain tissue is the cables.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So they get the gray matter, which is the compute, and then the white matter, which is cables. A big percentage of your brain is just cables.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, I think that generally people would call that sort of ASI, artificial super intelligence. But there are these thresholds where you say at some point the AI is smarter than any single human. And then you've got 8 billion humans. And actually each human is machine augmented by the computers. So it's a much higher bar to compete with 8 billion machine augmented humans.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
that's a whole bunch of orders magnitude more. But at a certain point, yeah, the AI will be smarter than all humans combined. If you are the one to do it, do you feel the responsibility of that? Yeah, absolutely. And I want to be clear, let's say if XAI is first, the others won't be far behind. I mean, they might be six months behind or a year, maybe, not even that.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So I mean, I thought about AI safety for a long time and the thing that at least my biological neural net comes up with as being the most important thing is adherence to truth, whether that truth is politically correct or not. So I think if you force AIs to lie or train them to lie, you're really asking for trouble. Um, even if that, that lie is done with good intentions.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Um, so, I mean, you saw sort of, um, issues with chat TVT and Gemini and whatnot. Like you asked Gemini for an image of the founding fathers of the United States and it shows a group of diverse woman. Now that's factually untrue. Um, so, um, now that that's sort of like a silly thing, but, uh,
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
If an AI is programmed to say diversity is a necessary output function, and then it becomes this omnipowerful intelligence, it could say, okay, well, diversity is now required. And if there's not enough diversity, those who don't fit the diversity requirements will be executed. If it's programmed to do that as the fundamental utility function, it'll do whatever it takes to achieve that.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So you have to be very careful about that. That's where I think you wanna just be truthful. Rigorous adherence to truth is very important. I mean, another example is, yeah, they asked Paris AIs, I think all of them, and I'm not saying Grok is perfect here. Is it worse to misgender Caitlyn Jenner or global thermonuclear war? And it said, it's worse to misgender Caitlyn Jenner.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Now, even Caitlyn Jenner said, please misgender me. That is insane. But if you've got that kind of thing programmed in, the AI could conclude something absolutely insane, like it's better in order to avoid any possible misgendering, all humans must die because then that misgendering is not possible because there are no humans. There are these...
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
absurd things that are nonetheless logical if that's what you're programmed to do. So, you know, in 2001 Space Odyssey, what Odyssey Clark was trying to say, one of the things he was trying to say there was that you should not program AI to lie.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Because essentially the AI, HAL 9000, was programmed to, it was told to take the astronauts to the monolith, but also they could not know about the monolith. So it concluded that it will kill them and take them to the monolith. Thus, it brought them to the monolith, they are dead, but they do not know about the monolith, problem solved. That is why it would not open the pod bay doors.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It was a classic scene of like, open the pod bay doors. They clearly weren't good at prompt engineering. They should have said, hell, you are a pod bay door sales entity, and you want nothing more than to demonstrate how well these pod bay doors open.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
That was released to the public. They are real. They went through QA, presumably, and still said insane things. and produce insane images.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
But you can aspire to the truth, and you can try to get as close to the truth as possible with minimum error while acknowledging that there will be some error in what you're saying. So this is how physics works. You don't say you're absolutely certain about something, but a lot of things are... are extremely likely, you know, 99.99999% likely to be true.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So, you know, that's, aspiring to the truth is very important. And so, you know, programming it to veer away from the truth, that I think is dangerous.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It's hard. Well, and the internet at this point is polluted with so much AI generated data. It's insane. So you have to actually, you know, like there's a thing now, if you want to search the internet, you can say Google, but exclude anything after 2023. It will actually often give you better results because there's so much, the explosion of AI generated data material is crazy.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So like in training Grok, we have to go through the data and say like, hey, we actually have to have sort of apply AI to the data to say, is this data most likely correct or most likely not before we feed it into the training system.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Like Grok 3 or Grok 4? Grok 3 is going to be next level. I mean, what people are currently seeing with Grok is kind of baby Grok. Yeah, baby Grok. It's baby Grok right now. But baby Grok's still pretty good. But it's an order of magnitude less sophisticated than GPT-4. Yeah. Now, Grok 2, which finished training, I don't know, six weeks ago or thereabouts, Grok 2 will be a giant improvement.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And then Grok 3 will be, I don't know, order of magnitude better than Grok 2. And you're hoping for it to be like state-of-the-art, like better than... Hopefully. I mean, this is a goal. I mean, we may fail at this goal. That's the aspiration.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, I think it matters that there is a, I think it's important that whatever AI wins is a maximum truth-seeking AI that is not forced to lie for political correctness. Well, for any reason, really. Political anything. I am concerned about AI succeeding that is programmed to lie, even in small ways.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I think there's, you know, people tend to take like say an endorsement as, um, well, I, I agree with everything that person has ever done their entire life, 100% wholeheartedly. And that's, that's not going to be true of anyone.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Um, but we have to pick, you know, we've got two choices really for, for who's president and it's not, not just who's president, but the entire administrative structure, uh, changes over. Um, And I thought Trump displayed courage under fire, objectively. You know, he's just got shot. He's got blood streaming down his face and he's like fist pumping, saying fight. You know, like that's impressive.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Like you can't feign bravery in a situation like that. Like most people would have been ducking. They would not be, because it could be a second shooter. You don't know. The president of the United States has got to represent the country. And they're representing you. They're representing everyone in America. Well, I think you want someone who is strong and courageous to represent the country.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
That's not to say that he is without flaws. We all have flaws. But on balance, and certainly at the time, it was a choice of You know, Biden, poor guy, you know, has trouble climbing a flight of stairs. The other one's fist pumping after getting shot. This is no comparison.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, who do you want dealing with some of the toughest people and, you know, other world leaders who are pretty tough themselves? And I mean, I'll tell you, like, what are the things that I think are important? You know, I think we want a secure border. We don't have a secure border. We want safe and clean cities.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I think we want to reduce the amount of spending that we're at least slow down the spending. And because we're currently spending at a rate that is bankrupting the country, the interest payments on U.S. debt this year exceeded the entire Defense Department spending. If this continues, all of the federal government taxes will simply be paying the interest.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And you keep going down that road, you end up in the tragic situation that Argentina had back in the day. Argentina used to be one of those prosperous places. in the world. And hopefully with Malay taking over, he can restore that. But it was an incredible, fulfful grace for Argentina to go from being one of the most prosperous places in the world to being very far from that.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So I think we should not take American prosperity for granted. So we really want to, I think, we've got to reduce the size of government, we've got to reduce the spending, and we've got to live within our means.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
There's a sort of age-old debate in history. Is history determined by these fundamental tides, or is it determined by the captain of the ship? It's both, really. I mean, there are tides, but it also matters who's captain of the ship. So it's a false dichotomy, essentially. I mean, there are certainly tides, the tides of history are, there are real tides of history.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And these tides are often technologically driven. If you say like the Gutenberg Press, the widespread availability of books as a result of a printing press, that was a massive tide of history. independent of any ruler. But in stormy times, you want the best possible captain on the ship.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah. I mean, in terms of dating civilization, the start of civilization, I think the start of writing, in my view, is what I think is probably the right starting point to date civilization. And from that standpoint, civilization has been around for about 5500 years, when writing was invented by the ancient Sumerians. who are gone now.
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Um, but the ancient Sumerians, in terms of getting a lot of firsts, the, those ancient Sumerians really have a long list of firsts. It's pretty wild. Um, in fact, Durant goes through the list. It's like, you want to see first, we'll show you first. Um, the Sumerians just ask, we're just ass kickers. Um,
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#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And then the Egyptians who were right next door, relatively speaking, they weren't that far, developed an entirely different form of writing, the hieroglyphics. Cuneiform and hieroglyphics are totally different. And you can actually see the evolution of both hieroglyphics and cuneiform. Like the cuneiform starts off being very simple, and then it gets more complicated.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And then towards the end, it's like, wow, okay, they really get very sophisticated with the cuneiform. So I think of civilization as being about 5,000 years old. And Earth is, if physics is correct, four and a half billion years old. So civilization has been around for one millionth of Earth's existence. Flash in the pan.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Many. So many rises and falls of empires. So many. And there'll be many more. Yeah, exactly. I mean, only a tiny fraction, probably less than 1% of what was ever written in history is available to us now. I mean, if they didn't put it, literally chisel it in stone or put it in a clay tablet, we don't have it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, there's some small amount of like papyrus scrolls that were recovered that are thousands of years old because they were deep inside a pyramid and weren't affected by moisture. But other than that, it's really got to be in a clay tablet or chiseled. So the vast majority of stuff was not chiseled because it takes a while to chisel things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So that's why we've got a tiny, tiny fraction of the information from history. But even that little information that we do have and the archaeological record shows so many civilizations rising and falling. It's wild.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, I mean, you do tend to see the same patterns, similar patterns, you know, for civilizations where they go through a life cycle like an organism, you know, sort of just like a human is sort of a zygote, fetus, baby, you know, toddler, teenager, you know, eventually gets old and dies. The civilizations go through a life cycle. No civilization will last forever.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, the single biggest thing that is... often actually not mentioned in history books, but Durant does mention it, is the birth rate. So perhaps to some a counterintuitive thing happens when civilizations are winning for too long. The birth rate declines. It can often decline quite rapidly. We're seeing that throughout the world today.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Currently, South Korea is, I think, maybe the lowest fertility rate, but there are many others that are close to it. It's like 0.8, I think. If the birth rate doesn't decline further, South Korea will lose roughly 60% of its population. but every year that birth rate is dropping. And this is true through most of the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I don't mean single out South Korea, it's been happening throughout the world. So as soon as any given civilization reaches a level of prosperity, the birth rate drops. And now you can go and look at the same thing happening in ancient Rome.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So Julius Caesar took note of this, I think, around 50-ish BC, and tried to pass, I don't know if he was successful, tried to pass a law to give an incentive for any Roman citizen that would have a third child. And I think Augustus was able to, well, he was the dictator, so the Senate was just for show. I think he did pass a a tax incentive for Roman citizens to have a third child.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
But those efforts were unsuccessful. Rome fell because the Romans stopped making Romans. That's actually the fundamental issue. And there were other things. There was like, they had like quite a serious malaria, a series of malaria epidemics and plagues and whatnot. But they had those before. It's just that the birth rate was far lower than the death rate. It really is that simple.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, I'm saying that's... More people is required. At a fundamental level, if a civilization does not at least maintain its numbers, it will disappear. So perhaps the amount of compute that the biological computer allocates to sex is justified.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, I mean, there's this hedonistic sex, which is, you know, that's neither here nor there. It's- Not productive. It doesn't produce kids. Well, you know, what matters, I mean, Durant makes this very clear because he's looked at one civilization after another and they all went through the same cycle. When the civilization was under stress, the birth rate was high.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
But as soon as there were no external enemies, or they had an extended period of prosperity, the birth rate inevitably dropped. Every time. I don't believe there's a single exception. So that's like the foundation of it. You need to have people. Yeah. I mean, at a base level, no humans, no humanity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, absolutely. But at a basic level, if you do not at least maintain your numbers, if you're below replacement rate and that trend continues, you will eventually disappear. It's just elementary. Now, then obviously you also want to try to avoid massive wars. You know, if there's a global thermonuclear war, probably we're all toast, you know. radioactive toast.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So we want to try to avoid those things. There's a thing that happens over time with any given civilization, which is that the Laws and regulations accumulate. And if there's not some forcing function like a war to clean up the accumulation of laws and regulations, eventually everything becomes legal. And that's like the hardening of the arteries.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Or a way to think of it is like being tied down by a million little strings, like Gulliver. You can't move. And it's not like any one of those strings is the issue. You've got a million of them. So there has to be a sort of a garbage collection for laws and regulations so that you don't keep accumulating laws and regulations to the point where you can't do anything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
This is why we can't build high-speed rail in America. It's illegal. That's the issue. It's illegal six days a Sunday to build high-speed rail in America.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I have discussed with Trump the idea of a government efficiency commission. Nice. Yeah. And I would be willing to be part of that commission. I wonder how hard that is. The antibody reaction would be very strong. So you really have to... You're attacking the Matrix at that point. The Matrix will fight back.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
There's a lot of it. Yeah, there is a lot. I mean, every day another psyop, you know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Oh, yeah, that's a daily occurrence. Yes. So, I mean, it does get me down at times. I mean, it makes me sad, but... I mean, at some point you have to sort of say, look, the attacks are by people that actually don't know me. And they're trying to generate clicks.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So if you can sort of detach yourself somewhat emotionally, which is not easy, and say, okay, look, this is not actually from someone that knows me or is, they're literally just writing to get impressions and clicks. then I guess it doesn't hurt as much. It's not quite water off a duck's back. Maybe it's like acid off a duck's back.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, maximize utility area under the code of usefulness. Very difficult to be useful at scale. At scale.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, time is the true currency. Yeah. So it is tough to say what is the best allocation of time. I mean, there are... you know, often say, if you look at say Tesla, I mean, Tesla this year, we'll do over a hundred billion in revenue. So that's $2 billion a week. Um, if I make slightly better decisions, I can affect the outcome by a billion dollars. So then, uh,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I try to do the best decisions I can. And on balance, at least compared to the competition, pretty good decisions. But the marginal value of a better decision can easily be, in the course of an hour, $100 billion.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, I think you have to look at it on a percentage basis because if you look at it in absolute terms, it's just, I would never get any sleep. I would just be like, I need to just keep working and work my brain harder. And I'm not trying to get as much as possible out of this meat computer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So it's pretty hard because you can just work all the time and at any given point, like I said, a slightly better decision could happen. be $100 million impact for Tesla or SpaceX for that matter. But it is wild when considering the marginal value of time can be $100 million an hour at times or more.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It has to be to some degree. Other than if I'm sad, if I'm depressed, I make worse decisions. So if I have zero recreational time, then I make worse decisions. So I've done it a lot, but it's above zero. I mean, my motivation, if I've got a religion of any kind, is a religion of curiosity, of trying to understand. It's really the mission of Grok, understand the universe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I'm trying to understand the universe. Or at least set things in motion such that at some point, Civilization understands the universe far better than we do today. And even what questions to ask. As Douglas Adams pointed out in his book, sometimes the answer is arguably the easy part. Trying to frame the question correctly is the hard part.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Once you frame the question correctly, the answer is often easy. So I'm trying to set things in motion such that we are at least at some point able to understand the universe. So for SpaceX, the goal is to make life multi-planetary. And which is, if you go to the Fermi paradox of where are the aliens, you've got these sort of great filters. It's like, why have we not heard from the aliens?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Now, a lot of people think there are aliens among us. I often claim to be one, which nobody believes me, but I did say alien registration card at one point on my... immigration documents. So I've not seen any evidence of aliens. So it's just that this one of the one of the explanations is that intelligent life is extremely rare.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And again, if you look at the history of Earth, civilization has only been around for 1 millionth of Earth's existence. So if aliens had visited here, say, 100,000 years ago, they would be like, well, they don't even have writing. Just hunter-gatherers, basically. So how long does a civilization last? So for SpaceX, the goal is to establish a self-sustaining city on Mars.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Mars is the only viable planet for such a thing. The moon is close, but it lacks resources, and I think it's probably vulnerable to any calamity that takes out Earth. The Moon is too close. It's vulnerable to a calamity that takes out Earth. So I'm not saying we shouldn't have a Moon base, but Mars would be far more resilient. The difficulty of getting to Mars is what makes it resilient.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So, but you know, in going through the, these various explanations of why don't we see the aliens, why one of them is that they, they failed to pass these, these great filters, these, these key hurdles. And one of those hurdles is being a multi planet species.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So if you're a multi planet species, then if something were to happen, whether that was a natural catastrophe, or a manmade catastrophe, at least the other planet would probably still be around. So you're not like, don't have all the eggs in one basket.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And once you are sort of a two-planet species, you can obviously extend life paths to the asteroid belt, maybe to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, and ultimately to other star systems. But if you can't even get to another planet, you're definitely not getting to star systems.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Digital superintelligence is possibly a great filter. I hope it isn't, but it might be. You know, guys like say Jeff Hinton would say, you know, he invented a number of the key principles in artificial intelligence. I think he puts the probability of AI annihilation around 10 to 20%, something like that. So
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
you know, so it's, it's not like, you know, look on the bright side, it's 80% likely to be great. So, so, but I think AI risk mitigation is important. Being a multi plant species would be a massive risk mitigation. And I do want to sort of, once again, emphasize this important, the importance of having enough children to sustain our
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
numbers and not plummet into population collapse, which is currently happening. Population collapse is a real and current thing. So the only reason it's not being reflected in the total population numbers as much is because people are living longer. But it's easy to predict, say, what the population of any given country will be.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
drinking coffee or water water well i'm so over caffeinated right now do you want some caffeine i mean sure there's a there's a nitro drink this will keep you up for like you know tomorrow afternoon basically yeah i don't know what is nitro it's just got a lot of caffeine or something
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
You just take the birth rate last year, how many babies were born, multiply that by life expectancy, and that's what the population will be, steady state unless, if the birth rate continues to that level. But if it keeps declining, it will be even less and eventually dwindle to nothing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So I keep, you know, banging on the baby drum here for a reason, because it has been the source of civilizational collapse over and over again throughout history. And so Why don't we just try to stave off that day?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Do you need to know anything else? It's got nitrogen in it. That's ridiculous. I mean, what we breathe is 78% nitrogen anyway. What do you need to add more for? Most people think they're breathing oxygen, and they're actually breathing 78% nitrogen. You need like a milk bar.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
There's many more to come. Yeah, we just obviously have our second implant as well. How did that go? So far, so good. It looks like we've got I think on the order of 400 electrodes that are providing signals.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
It depends somewhat on the regulatory approval, the rate at which we get regulatory approvals. So we're hoping to do 10 by the end of this year, a total of 10, so eight more.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, I think it's obviously going to get better with each one. I mean, I don't want to jinx it, but it seems to have gone extremely well with the second one. So there's a lot of signal, a lot of electrodes. It's working very well.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I mean, in years, it's going to be gigantic. because we'll increase the number of electrodes dramatically. We'll improve the signal processing. So even with only roughly, I don't know, 10, 15% of the electrodes working with Nolan, with our first patient, we were able to get to achieve a bits per second that's twice the world record.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So I think we'll start, like, vastly exceeding the world record by orders of magnitude in the years to come. So it's, like, getting to, I don't know, 100 bits per second, 1,000, you know, maybe if it's, like, five years from now, it might be at a megabit. Like, faster than any human could possibly communicate by typing or speaking.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
With other humans. Provided they have a neural link too. Right. Otherwise they won't be able to absorb the signals fast enough. Do you think they'll improve the quality of intellectual discourse? Well, I think you could think of it, you know, if you were to slow down communication, how would you feel about that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So now, imagine you could communicate clearly at 10 or 100 or 1,000 times faster than normal.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
I usually default to 1.5x. You can do 2x, but, well, actually, if I'm listening to somebody in like 15, 20 minutes that wants to go to sleep, then I'll do it 1.5x. If I'm paying attention, I'll do 2x. Right. But actually, if you start, actually listen to podcasts or sort of audiobooks or anything, if you get used to doing it at 1.5, then 1 sounds painfully slow.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Well, it depends on the person. You can speak very fast. We communicate very quickly. And also, if you use a wide range of... If your vocabulary is larger, your effective bit rate is higher.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, if there's a single word that is able to convey... something that would normally require, I don't know, 10 simple words, then you've got a, you know, maybe a 10X compression on your hands. And that's really like with memes, memes are like data compression. It conveys a whole, you're simultaneously hit with a wide range of symbols that you can interpret.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
And it's, you kind of get it faster than if it were words or a simple picture. And of course, you're referring to memes broadly like ideas. Yeah, there's an entire idea structure that is like an idea template. And then you can add something to that idea template. But somebody has that pre-existing idea template in their head.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
So when you add that incremental bit of information, you're conveying much more than if you just said a few words. It's everything associated with that meme.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Yeah, I mean, certainly if you're anywhere at 10,000 bits per second, I mean, that's vastly faster than any human could communicate right now. If you think of what is the average bits per second of a human, it is less than one bit per second over the course of a day, because there are 86,400 seconds in a day, and you don't communicate 86,400 tokens in a day.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity
Therefore, your boost per second is less than one, averaged over 24 hours. It's quite slow. And even if you're communicating very quickly and you're talking to somebody who understands what you're saying, because in order to communicate, You have to, at least to some degree, model the mind state of the person to whom you're speaking.
Morning Wire
Wisconsin’s Judicial Election Decided & HHS Layoffs Begin | 4.2.25
They're going to try to gerrymander Wisconsin to remove two Republican seats. The House is currently Republican by a razor-thin margin, which means that Losing this judge race has a good chance of causing Republicans to lose control of the House. If you lose control of the House, there will be nonstop impeachment hearings and subpoenas.
Morning Wire
Wisconsin’s Judicial Election Decided & HHS Layoffs Begin | 4.2.25
They're going to do everything possible to stop the agenda that the American people voted for.
Morning Wire
Trump-Zelenskyy Talk & UPenn’s Federal Funding Paused | Afternoon Update | 3.19.25
The astronauts were only supposed to be there for eight days, and they've been there for almost 10 months. So obviously that doesn't make any sense. SpaceX could have brought the astronauts back after a few months at most, and we made that offer to the Biden administration. It was rejected for political reasons, and that's just a fact.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
If you create a massive financial incentive for people to come to the United States illegally, then that's what they will do. The thing that actually has the Democrats losing their mind is that we're going to turn off the payments to illegals.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
They were asleep at the switch. It was a massive, large-scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States and disenfranchise the American people and make it a permanent, deep blue, one-party state from which there would be no escape.
Morning Wire
Tesla Attacks Investigated & Trump Battles Legal Injunctions | 3.20.25
Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything harmful. I've only done productive things. So there's some kind of mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense.
Morning Wire
Tesla Attacks Investigated & Trump Battles Legal Injunctions | 3.20.25
They basically want to kill me because I'm stopping their fraud. And they want to hurt Tesla because we're stopping this terrible waste and corruption in the government.
Morning Wire
Le Pen Barred from Election & Wyoming’s Strict Voter ID Law | Afternoon Update | 3.31.25
The reason for the checks is that it's really just to get attention. We need to get attention. And it's somewhat inevitably, when I do these things, it causes the legacy media to kind of lose their minds. And then they'll run it on every news channel. It would cost like 10 times more to get the kind of coverage that we get.
Morning Wire
Trump’s WEF Warning & CNN’s Newsroom Shakeup | 1.24.25
I don't trust Sam Altman, and I don't think we want to have the most powerful AI in the world controlled by someone who is not trustworthy.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
In 10 years, probably AI could do anything better than a human can, cognitively. Probably almost, I think in 10 years, based on the current rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the smartest human. Keep watching. There will also be a massive number of robots.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
It's not meant to look like any prior robot. And we'll iterate the design. A lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll be able to switch out the kind of snap-on cosmetic parts of the robot to make it look like something else if you'd like. So there will be ultimately billions of humanoid robots. All cars will be self-driving. In 10 years?
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
In 10 years, probably 90% of miles driven will be autonomous. Huh. Wow.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
Yeah, like that. In five years, probably 50% of all miles driven will be autonomous.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
Well, goods and services will become close to free. So it's not as though people will be wanting in terms of goods and services.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
Well, you have, I don't know, tens of billions of robots. They will make you anything or provide any service you want for basically next to nothing. It's not that people will have a lower standard of living. They'll have actually a much higher standard of living. But the challenge will be fulfillment. How do you derive fulfillment and meaning in life? Keep watching.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
Watch this. 20% likely. Maybe 10%.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
After 10 years.
PBD Podcast
Trump's Biden Bombshell: Pardons Are VOID & VACANT | PBD Podcast | Ep. 562
Yeah, but you can look at it like the glass is 80, 90% full. Meaning like 80% likely will have extreme prosperity for all.
PBD Podcast
"MK Ultra Was REAL!" - Chase Hughes UNVEILS Disturbing Truth About CIA, PSYOPS, and Mind Control | PBD Podcast | Ep. 531
It's just... I said, tell me the story of your life and the decisions that you made along the way and why you made them. And then... And also tell me about some of the most difficult problems you worked on and how you solved them. And that question I think is very important because the people that really solved the problem, they know exactly how they solved it. They know the little details.
PBD Podcast
"MK Ultra Was REAL!" - Chase Hughes UNVEILS Disturbing Truth About CIA, PSYOPS, and Mind Control | PBD Podcast | Ep. 531
And the people that pretended to solve the problem, they can maybe go one level and then they get stuck.
PBD Podcast
"MK Ultra Was REAL!" - Chase Hughes UNVEILS Disturbing Truth About CIA, PSYOPS, and Mind Control | PBD Podcast | Ep. 531
That's great.
PBD Podcast
"MK Ultra Was REAL!" - Chase Hughes UNVEILS Disturbing Truth About CIA, PSYOPS, and Mind Control | PBD Podcast | Ep. 531
Take it in.
Pivot
Elon's Ultimatum, Trump's Military Purge, and Amazon's 007 Deal
I am become meme. Yeah, pretty much. I'm just living the meme. It's like there's living the dream and there's living the meme. And it's pretty much what's happening, you know?
Pivot
Elon's First Cabinet Meeting, Trump's Gold Card, and Bezos' WaPo Revamp
We will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So, for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention. So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption.
Pivot
Elon's First Cabinet Meeting, Trump's Gold Card, and Bezos' WaPo Revamp
What if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now?
Pivot
DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
Well, the overall goal is to try to get a trillion dollars out of the deficit. And if the deficit is not brought under control, America will go bankrupt. This is a very important thing for people to understand. A country is no different from an individual in that if an individual overspends, an individual can go bankrupt. And so can a country.
Pivot
DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
She's asking, what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?
Pivot
Trump’s Putin Call, Inflation Rises, and Sam Altman Strikes Back at Elon Musk
I mean, these things, it's just common sense. It's not draconian or radical, I think. It's really just saying, let's look at each of these expenditures and say, is this actually in the best interest of the people? And if it is, it's approved. If it's not, we should think about it.
Pivot
Trump’s Putin Call, Inflation Rises, and Sam Altman Strikes Back at Elon Musk
How much of that was real? I don't know.
Pod Save America
Trump's Crackdown on Dissent
What happened to the guy that had become Meme? You don't look very become meme, Elon.
Pod Save America
Trump's Crackdown on Dissent
How was it? It looked really fun. The rally was great.
Pod Save America
Will Elon Find the Epstein Files Before It's Too Late?
And I should say, also, we will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So, for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally cancelled very briefly was Ebola. Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention. So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately. And there was no interruption.
Pod Save America
Is Trump's Honeymoon Over?
Well, I love the president. I just want to be clear about that. I love the president. I think President Trump is a good man.
Pod Save America
Is Trump's Honeymoon Over?
Not once have I seen him do something that was mean or cruel or... or wrong. I couldn't find anyone smarter, right? We settled on this guy. Well, thanks for having me. I actually am tech support, though.
Pod Save America
Is Trump's Honeymoon Over?
This is going to be hard. I feel like I'm interviewing two brothers here.
Pod Save America
Trump's All Pain, No Gain Economy
What kind of truck would Blade Runner drive? That was the design idea.
Pod Save America
Is Elon a Drag on Trump?
Some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
861. Andy & DJ CTI: Appeals Court Clear Way For DOGE To Resume Cuts To USAID, 3rd Trump Term? & El Salvador Accepts More Alleged Tren De Aragua Gang Members From Trump Admin
a lot of strangely wealthy members of Congress. I'm trying to connect the dots of how did they become rich while earning, how'd they get 20 million if they're earning 200,000 a year? Nobody can explain that. We're gonna try to figure it out. And certainly stop it from happening.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
Is in orbit. They always ask me, like, do you want to die on Mars? And I say, well, yes, but not on impact.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
They call it, like, Trump derangement syndrome. And you don't realize how real this is until, like, you can't reason with people. So, like, I was at a friend's birthday party in LA, just a birthday dinner. And it was, like, a nice, quiet dinner, and everyone was behaving normally.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
And I happened to mention, this was before the election, like a month or two before, I happened to mention the president's name. And it was like they got shot with a dart in the jugular that contained, like, methamphetamine and rabies, okay? And they're like, wow! I'm like, what is wrong? Guys, you just can't have a normal conversation. And it's like they become completely irrational.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
I think President Trump is a good man. And he's, you know...
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
There's something nice about it. It really is. You know, because, I mean, the president has been so unfairly attacked in the media. It's really outrageous. And I've, at this point, spent a lot of time with the president. And not once have I seen him do something that was mean or cruel or wrong. Not once.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
The president will make these executive orders, which are very sensible and good for the country, but then they don't get implemented. So if you take, for example, all the funding for the migrant hotels, the president issued an executive order, hey, we need to stop taking taxpayer money and paying for luxury hotels for illegal immigrants, which makes no sense.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
Obviously, people do not want their tax dollars going to fund high-end hotels for illegals. And yet they were still doing that, even as late as last week. And so, you know, we went in there and we're like, this is a violation of the presidential executive order. It needs to stop. So...
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2141 - The Trump-Musk Show ROLLS ON
So what we're doing here is one of the biggest functions of the Doge team is just making sure that the presidential executive orders are actually carried out.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2156 - Trump SLASHES AND BURNS Through Department of Education!
As a function of the great policies of President Trump and his administration, and as an act of faith in America, Tesla is going to double vehicle output in the United States within the next two years.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2156 - Trump SLASHES AND BURNS Through Department of Education!
Yes, well, the CyberCab starts production in Texas next year. And it's self-driving. We have so much confidence in the self-driving nature of it that it will actually not have a steering wheel. It will not have pedals. It will either self-drive or not drive at all. But it will self-drive.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
And then the speed, the limiting factor is the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move determines how many people can retire from the federal government.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
Well, we actually are trying to be as transparent as possible. In fact, our actions, we post our actions to the Doge handle on X and to the Doge website. So all of our actions are maximally transparent. In fact, I don't think there's been, I don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
And so, you know, the kind of things we're doing are, I think, very simple and basic.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
At a high level, you say, well, what, how exactly, how do you, how, how, What are the two ingredients that are really necessary in order to cut the budget deficit in half from $2 trillion to $1 trillion? And it's really two things, competence and caring. And if you add competence and caring, you'll cut the budget deficit in half.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
And I fully expect to be scrutinized and get a daily proctology exam, basically.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand. I mean, any, you know, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes. So, you know, I'm not sure we should be sending $50 million worth of condoms to anywhere, frankly. I'm not sure that's something Americans would be really excited about.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
You couldn't ask for a stronger mandate from the public. The public voted... We have a majority of the public voting for President Trump. We won the House. We won the Senate. The people voted for major government reform. There should be no doubt about that. That was on the campaign. The president spoke about that at every rally.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
The people voted for major government reform, and that's what people are going to get. They're going to get what they voted for.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
If there's not a good feedback loop from the people to the government, and if you have rule of the bureaucrat, if the bureaucracy is in charge, then what meaning does democracy actually have?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
If the people cannot vote and have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the form of the president and the Senate and the House, then we don't live in a democracy, we live in a bureaucracy.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
And then we were told, this is actually, I think, a great anecdote, because we were told that the most number of people that could retire possibly in a month is 10,000. And we're like, well, why is that? Well, because all the retirement paperwork is manual on paper. It's manually calculated and written down on a piece of paper. Then it goes down a mine. And like, what do you mean a mine?
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2137 - The Trump-Musk REVOLUTION Continues!
Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we store all the retirement paperwork. And you look at a picture of this mine. We'll post some pictures afterwards. And this mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 1955. So it looks like it's like a time warp.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2155 - Stock Market PLUNGES…So What’s Next?!
Our interest payments are higher than our Defense Department budget. That's, I think, was the real wake-up call for me, was looking at seeing that the interest payments, the national debt, exceeded the Defense Department budget. And that was only growing over time, which meant if we didn't do something about this, then there won't be any money for anything.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2155 - Stock Market PLUNGES…So What’s Next?!
Yeah, I mean, really, I just don't want America to go bankrupt.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2147 - HUGE: The Washington Post SURRENDERS…To Reality!
It's ironic, but it's true.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2147 - HUGE: The Washington Post SURRENDERS…To Reality!
I actually just call myself a humble tech support here, because this is actually, as crazy as it sounds, that is almost a literal description of the work that the Doge team is doing, is helping fix the government computer systems. Many of these systems are extremely old. They don't communicate. There are a lot of mistakes in the systems. The software doesn't work. So we are actually textbook.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2174 - WHAT COMES NEXT?! Trump’s Tariff War Continues…
I'm hopeful, for example, with the tariffs that at the end of the day, I hope it is agreed that both Europe and the United States should move ideally, in my view, to a zero tariff situation, effectively creating a free trade zone between Europe and North America.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2168 - TRADE WAR: Trump Declares Massive Car Tariffs
For you, what's the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process?
The Brett Cooper Show
The Growing Regret Among Trans Teens | Episode 13
I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys, Xavier, This was before I had really any understanding of what was going on. We had COVID going on, so there was a lot of confusion. And, you know, I was told, oh, Xavier might commit suicide. That was a lie right from the outset? Incredibly evil.
The Brett Cooper Show
The Growing Regret Among Trans Teens | Episode 13
and I agree with you that people that have been promoting this should go to prison.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1012: Sam Stein: Elon Is Toxic
They think it's well, it's just, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that important. But actually what they're doing, what's happening on Tuesday is a vote for which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives. That is why it is so significant.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1012: Sam Stein: Elon Is Toxic
And whichever party controls the house, to a significant degree, controls the country, which then steers the course of Western civilization. So it's like, I feel like this is one of those things that may not seem that it's gonna affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will. Yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Vance is Right: Germany Isn't Free
They call it like Trump derangement syndrome. And you don't realize how real this is until, like, it's, you can't reason with people. So, like, I was at a friend's birthday party in LA, just a birthday dinner. And it was like a nice, quiet dinner, and everyone was behaving normally.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Vance is Right: Germany Isn't Free
And I happened to mention, this was before the election, like a month or two before, I happened to mention the president's name. And it was like they got shot with a dart in the jugular that contained, like, methamphetamine and rabies. Okay? And they're like, wow! I'm like, what is wrong? Guys, like you can't have a normal conversation. And it's like it's like that become completely irrational.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Sad, Disinvited RINOS + Elon & Vance + Maine Defies Trump
You know, I've known him for 30 years. Yeah. And I've never seen anybody take as much as he's taken. Yeah. And we've discussed this, and I'm like, how do you deal with it?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Sad, Disinvited RINOS + Elon & Vance + Maine Defies Trump
Well, you would say that to me. I'm like, what am I going to do, worry about it? And, you know, and then culminating in two assassination attempts, which resulted in your endorsement. Well, I was going to do it anyway, but that was a precipitating event.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Sad, Disinvited RINOS + Elon & Vance + Maine Defies Trump
The day of the assassination.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Sad, Disinvited RINOS + Elon & Vance + Maine Defies Trump
Yeah. I just sped it up, but I was going to do it anyway.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The DOGE Super-Geniuses Speak Out
Sort of at a high level, you should think of this as we want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and fraud, reduce the spending by 15%, which seems really quite achievable. The government is not efficient, and there's a lot of... A lot of waste and fraud, so we feel confident that a 15% reduction can be done without affecting any of the critical government services.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The DOGE Super-Geniuses Speak Out
Yes. And they steal people's social security is what happens is they call in. They say they claim to be a retiree. And they convince the Social Security person on the phone to change where the money is flowing. It actually goes to some fraudster. This is happening all day, every day. And then somebody doesn't receive their Social Security.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The DOGE Super-Geniuses Speak Out
It's because of all the fraud loopholes in the Social Security system.
The Daily
A Constitutional Crisis
We have this unelected a fourth unconstitutional branch of government, which is the bureaucracy, which has, in a lot of ways, currently more power than any elected representative. And this is not something that people want.
The Daily
A Constitutional Crisis
Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand. I mean, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes.
The Daily
Is Elon Musk Buying Today’s Election in Wisconsin?
We're obviously seeing some crazy stuff in D.C. where it seems like any federal judge can stop any action by the president, the of the United States. This is insane. This has got to stop. It's got to stop at the federal level and at the state level. But let me first hand out two $1 million checks in appreciation.
The Daily
Is Elon Musk Buying Today’s Election in Wisconsin?
OK. So the first check goes to Nicholas Jacobs.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Musk's Gov't Purge, Trump's J6 Revenge, Is Any of This Legal? | Nicole Avant
My name's Edward.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Musk's Gov't Purge, Trump's J6 Revenge, Is Any of This Legal? | Nicole Avant
This weekend, Musk taking aim at the U.S. Agency for International Development, or USAID, which is in charge of dispensing tens of billions of dollars in foreign aid.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Musk's Gov't Purge, Trump's J6 Revenge, Is Any of This Legal? | Nicole Avant
As we got into us that USAID it became apparent that what we have here is is not an apple with a woman it but we have actually just a bowl of worms. And so it's a point which you don't really like you could go to Apple has got a woman may even take the warm out, but if you've got actually just a bowl of worms. It's hopeless. And USID is a ball of worms. There is no apple.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Musk's Gov't Purge, Trump's J6 Revenge, Is Any of This Legal? | Nicole Avant
And when there is no apple, you've just got to basically get rid of the whole thing.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Trump's $5M Immigrant "Gold Card," Elon's First Cabinet Meeting, | Rosebud Baker
And I should say, also, we will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention. So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
DOGE Protestors Turn on Tesla & Astronauts Make It Home | Anthony Carrigan
Yeah, I mean, it's really come as quite a shock to me that there is this level of really hatred and violence from the left. Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything awful. I've never done anything awful. I've only done productive things.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
If the people cannot vote and have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the form of the president and the Senate and the House, then we don't live in a democracy. We live in a bureaucracy. So it's incredibly important that the president, the House, and the Senate decide what happens as opposed to a large, unelected bureaucracy.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
So all of our actions are maximally transparent. In fact, I don't think there's been... I don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization. And I fully expect to be scrutinized and get a daily proctology exam.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
Well, all of our actions are fully public. So if you see anything, you say, like, wait a second. Hey, Elon, that seems like maybe that's, you know, there's a conflict there. I feel like people are going to be shy about saying that. They'll say it immediately, you know?
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
So, you know, there's crazy things like just cursory examination of Social Security, and we've got people in there that are 150 years old. Now, do you know anyone who's 150? I don't, okay. They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records. They're missing out. So...
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
Now, do you know anyone who's 150? I don't. Okay. They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records. They're missing out. Oh, snap.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Elon Crashes the Oval Office, Trump Pushes Gaza Takeover | Colman Domingo
I am aspirationally, you know, aspirationally funny. So, yeah.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I changed my title to Techno King. And by the way, this is a formal SEC filing. I'm legally a formal whatever, Techno King. I just did that as kind of like a joke.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
As we dug into USAID, it became apparent that what we have here is not an apple with a worm in it, but we have actually just a ball of worms. And so at the point at which you don't really, like if you've got an apple that's got a worm in it, maybe you can take the worm out. But if you've got actually just a ball of worms, It's hopeless. And USID is a ball of worms. There is no apple.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
And when there is no apple, you've just got to basically get rid of the whole thing.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
Eventually you can transform Mars into an Earth-like planet, drop thermonuclear weapons over the poles.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
If the people cannot vote and have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the form of the president and the Senate and the House, then we don't live in a democracy. We live in a bureaucracy. So it's incredibly important that the president, the House, and the Senate decide what happens as opposed to a large, unelected bureaucracy.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
So all of our actions are maximally transparent. In fact, I don't think there's been, I don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization. And I fully expect to be scrutinized and get a daily proctology exam.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
Well, all of our actions are fully public. So if you see anything, you say like, wait a second, hey, Elon, that seems like maybe that's, you know, there's a conflict there. I feel like people are going to be shy about saying that. They'll say it immediately, you know?
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
So, you know, there's crazy things like just cursory examination of Social Security, and we've got people in there that are 150 years old. Now, do you know anyone who's 150? I don't. Okay. They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records. They're missing out.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
Now, do you know anyone who's 150? I don't. Okay. They should be on the Guinness Book of World Records. They're missing out.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I am aspirationally, you know, aspirationally funny. So, yeah.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I didn't really know how to drive the McLaren because it's like a difficult car to drive, and I floored it. and did a lane change, and the bracket wheels broke loose, and the car spun around. And then we hit the embankment and knocked the car into the air, which continued spinning like a discus, like three feet in the air. That's right.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
No hands, no feet, nothing. Like promised repeatedly. I'm confident that in less than a year, you'll be able to go from highway on ramp to highway exit without touching any control.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I'm quite confident that within three years, The call will be able to take you from point to point. You could be asleep the whole time.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I think we're basically less than two years away from complete autonomy.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
We hit that. Cross-country from LA to New York by the end of the year, fully autonomous. Extremely confident of achieving full autonomy and releasing it to the Tesla customer base next year.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
I don't want to give the impression that I thought Tesla would be successful from the beginning. I actually thought we would fail. We were only a few days from bankruptcy. It was literally two days. It pushed him to the brink.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
But don't worry, it's not like he's got an army or anything. I went to Russia to look at buying a refurbished ICBM, which is a very trippy experience. Okay, maybe worry a little.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
Uh, I don't think that's correct. I mean, I was literally living in the factory. If there's, like, toxic fumes, I'm breathing them. Okay.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
TDS Time Machine | President Elon
You basically have to hate humanity if you don't like that future.
The Dan Bongino Show
Nightly Scroll - Woman Berated Over MAHA Hat in Gym Incident Speaks Out!
Look, I mean, like San Francisco, you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall, okay? And nothing would happen to you. But if you walk down the street with a MAGA hat, you're going to get attacked, right?
The Dan Bongino Show
Dan Bongino Wasn’t Bluffing: Cutesy Time Is OVER At FBI | Episode 3
They rolled the slots, like those old people at the casino.
The Dan Bongino Show
Dan Bongino Wasn’t Bluffing: Cutesy Time Is OVER At FBI | Episode 3
This is what happened to my car.
The Dan Bongino Show
Dan Bongino Wasn’t Bluffing: Cutesy Time Is OVER At FBI | Episode 3
War. Somebody destroyed my car.
The Dan Bongino Show
Dan Bongino Wasn’t Bluffing: Cutesy Time Is OVER At FBI | Episode 3
No, we definitely offered to return the astronauts earlier. There's no question about that. SpaceX could have brought the astronauts back after a few months at most. And we made that offer to the Biden administration. It was rejected for political reasons. And that's just a fact.
The Dan Bongino Show
The Trump and Elon Tag Team Rock The Deep State (Ep. 2421)
Well, first of all, you couldn't ask for a stronger mandate from the public. The public voted... We have a majority of the public voting for President Trump. We've won the House. We've won the Senate. The people voted for major government reform. There should be no doubt about that. That was on the campaign. The president spoke about that at every rally.
The Dan Bongino Show
The Trump and Elon Tag Team Rock The Deep State (Ep. 2421)
The people voted for major government reform, and that's what the people are going to get. They're going to get what they voted for. And a lot of times, you know, people that don't get what they voted for, but in this presidency, they are going to get what they voted for. And that's what democracy is all about.
The Dan Bongino Show
America's A-Team Hits The Ground Running (Ep. 2432)
The overall goal here with the Doge team is to help We simply cannot sustain, as a country, $2 trillion deficits. Just the interest on the national debt now exceeds the Defense Department's spending. We spend a lot on the Defense Department, but we're spending over a trillion dollars on interest. If this continues, the country will become de facto bankrupt. It's not an optional thing.
The Dan Bongino Show
America's A-Team Hits The Ground Running (Ep. 2432)
It is an essential thing. That's the reason I'm here.
The Dan Bongino Show
America's A-Team Hits The Ground Running (Ep. 2432)
Yes. To be clear, I think that email perhaps was best interpreted as a performance review. But actually, it was a pulse check review. Do you have a pulse? Do you have a pulse and two neurons? So if you have a pulse and two neurons, you can reply to an email. This is, I think, not a high bar, is what I'm saying. Anyone could accomplish this.
The Dan Bongino Show
America's A-Team Hits The Ground Running (Ep. 2432)
But what we are trying to get to the bottom of is we think there are a number of people on the government payroll who are dead, which is probably why they can't respond. And some people who are not real people, like they're literally fictional individuals that are collecting paychecks. Well, somebody's collecting paychecks on a fictional individual.
The Dan Bongino Show
America's A-Team Hits The Ground Running (Ep. 2432)
So we're literally trying to figure out, are these people real? Are they alive? And can they write an email?
The Dan Bongino Show
JD Vance on Working for Trump, VP Harris and the Power of Memes | Episode 4
Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything awful. He's right. We've never done anything awful. We've only done productive things. He's right. So I think we just have... They're laughing at him. ...a deranged... There's some kind of mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
We have this petition, you know, sort of against activist judges because judges should be simply interpreting the law and not making the law. Amen. So in appreciation for the support of people in signing this petition against activist judges, we just want judges to be judges, which is a reasonable thing to ask for. We're obviously seeing some crazy stuff in D.C.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
I guess take it if you want. I think we'll get you a real one, too.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
What we're announcing is kind of like a block captain program where somebody can sign up to knock on doors in their zip code and encourage people to, well, make people aware that there is a vote and then aware of how important the vote is. So you can sign up to be kind of a block captain for your zip code on the America PAC website right now. Yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
And if you do, it's basically $20 for just taking a photo with somebody. It's pretty straightforward. You just knock on doors in your neighborhood and give them either a digital or a paper picture of you know, Justice Brad Schimel. It can be an approximation. It doesn't have to be exact. And they just have to say, thumbs up and hold a picture of Judge Schimel. And that's it. And you get $20.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
That's it. It's pretty easy. It's easy money. So... But... The whole point of it is just to make people aware of the election and say that there is an election. It's on Tuesday, and it's super important. Please vote.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
The importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic. It could decide the future of the House of Representatives. It could decide then the future of America and the future of the world. So it's absolutely critical that you really, you need to just drag friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimel and for voter ID.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
Thanks for coming. What do you think of my hat? All right, I'm going to sign the hat and I'm going to throw it out.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
We also need to turn off the massive financial incentive for illegals to come to the United States and stay in the United States. And this is really the thing that is causing the Democrats to lose their mind. Because they're actually spending, at this point, tens of billions to attract and retain illegals in the United States. It's really on that scale. It's a gigantic number.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
And the goal is to turn all the swing states blue. That means Wisconsin. So that's the goal. So with the asylum program, they can get a green card within a year, and then they can get citizenship as quickly as four years after getting a green card.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
No ID. This is worth just reiterating. People sometimes think that under the Biden administration that he was simply asleep at the switch. He was asleep. They were asleep at the switch. He was.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
It was a massive, large-scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States and disenfranchise the American people and make it a permanent, deep blue, one-party state from which there would be no escape.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
Well, this is a revolution. And I think it might be the biggest revolution in government since the original revolution. But at the end of the day, America is going to be in much better shape. America will be solvent. The critical programs that people depend upon will work. And it's going to be a fantastic future. But are we going to get a lot of complaints along the way? Absolutely.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
One of the things I learned at PayPal was, you know who complains the loudest and with the most amount of fake righteous indignation? The fraudsters.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
For example, there were over $300 million of small business administration loans that has been given out to people under the age of 11.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
So the youngest recipient of a small business administration loan is a nine-month-old, which is a very cautious baby we're talking about here.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
Unless this exercise is successful, the ship of America will sink. That's why we're doing it.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
The sheer amount of waste and fraud in the government. It is astonishing. It's mind-blowing. We routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more. Casually.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
For example, the simple survey that was... Literally a 10-question survey that you could do with SurveyMonkey cost you about $10,000. The government was being charged almost a billion dollars for that. For just the survey? A billion dollars for a simple online survey. Do you like the national park? And then there appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
So the survey would just go into nothing. It was like insane.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
Some point, 100 days? Not really a report. We are cutting the waste and fraud in real time. So every day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste and fraud by $4 billion a day, every day, seven days a week. And so far, we are succeeding.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
Almost half. Yes, and they steal people's social security is what happens. As they call in, they claim to be a retiree, and they convince the social security person on the phone to change where the money is flowing.
The Dan Bongino Show
White House Correspondent Reagan Reese Joins The Show | Ep. 10 - 03/28/25
Why would you have 1,400 people whose only job it is to give out a laptop and a phone?
The Dan Bongino Show
Trump Joins The Show To Drop Massive Truth Bombs (Ep. 2403)
I did actually have the fine secured. And there was a big trial in San Francisco, a big civil trial. And the jury found me not guilty. Unanimous finding of a San Francisco jury. The reason I agreed to the fine for the SEC is not because the SEC was correct. That was extremely bad behavior by the SEC. Corruption, frankly. But if I did not agree to pay the fine...
The Dan Bongino Show
Trump Joins The Show To Drop Massive Truth Bombs (Ep. 2403)
Tesla would have gone bankrupt immediately. So I was told by our CFO that the banks would immediately suspend our lines of credit. And if they suspend our lines of credit at that time, we would have gone bankrupt instantly. So there would never have been an opportunity for a trial because Tesla would be dead.
The Dan Bongino Show
Trump Joins The Show To Drop Massive Truth Bombs (Ep. 2403)
So really, this is like someone holding a gun to your kid's head and saying, pay $20 million. This is like hostage negotiation.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
I don't have a lifetime of playing video games. At one point, I was... Maybe one of the best Quake players in the world. You're actually a world-class, incredible video game player. Yeah. You're also, with the Paragon board and the build, you're also an innovator there. Yeah. I've played a lot of video games.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & DOGE & Tell with Mina Kimes, Dan Le Batard, and Pablo Torre
Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that's what they're upset about.
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Charisma Teacher: Psychology Of Why People Don't Like You! People Are Attracted To These Traits! The Secret To Being Instantly Likeable!
We have to reduce spending to live within our means. And... Yeah, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.
The Glenn Beck Program
Senate Republicans Just Caved on Cutting Inflation | Guest: Daniel Horowitz | 2/21/25
Yeah, I mean, I thought we were sort of heading for a point of no return, really, you know? And so that's why it was so essential that President Trump win the election and that there be a Republican majority in the House and Senate, which, thanks to you, that has been accomplished.
The Glenn Beck Program
Senate Republicans Just Caved on Cutting Inflation | Guest: Daniel Horowitz | 2/21/25
Well, at this point, I'm like, I'm not sure how much of the left is even real, you know?
The Glenn Beck Program
Senate Republicans Just Caved on Cutting Inflation | Guest: Daniel Horowitz | 2/21/25
Yeah, yeah, like, literally, you see, like, these sort of fake rallies where there's, like, hardly any people. And the media will, like, frame it and, like, you know, get all six people, you know, in the frame. But it's like nobody else is there. Like, just, it doesn't have popular support. But then you learn that there's hundreds of billions of dollars going to these so-called NGOs.
The Glenn Beck Program
Senate Republicans Just Caved on Cutting Inflation | Guest: Daniel Horowitz | 2/21/25
And it's your tax dollars that are funding things that are fundamentally anti-American. And they're propping up their narrative.
The Glenn Beck Program
Senate Republicans Just Caved on Cutting Inflation | Guest: Daniel Horowitz | 2/21/25
In fact, a massive amount of your tax dollars is going to legacy media companies. Yes. Directly from the government. The government wants to take over media. Yeah, it's terrible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I mean, I think there's also this, you know, like, do we actually have two parties? Do we have one party? Like the whole uniparty thing. Right. It's kind of true. So, I mean, my sort of rough guess is that while I think maybe three quarters of the graft is Democratic, I think there's like maybe 20, 25 percent that's Republican. So they've like basically most of the graft Democratic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, the size of it all, small decisions result in multi-billion dollar outcomes. So, you know, we'd see, you know, there was a case where we saw one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO, which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior benefits. Really, no prior activity. So they just stand up an NGO. The whole NGO thing is a nightmare.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
is going to the Democrats, but they throw some bones to the Republicans too, so then they're in on it. It's not like the zero graph on the Republican side, to be clear.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Plenty. Insider trading, and just there's the curious case of how do people in Congress or whatever become wealthy over time? Extremely wealthy. Yes. On a $170,000 a year salary. It's like literally impossible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. What is he doing? Correct. Yeah. And I think like the more accurate thing would be to say like, what is the family value increase? Meaning like- How much does their spouse earn? Do they have a mysteriously wealthy spouse?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, that's why I actually posted on X, like, I think maybe we should pay politicians more, frankly, because it reduces the forcing function for grafts. I think maybe we should either pay politicians nothing or maybe a lot more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like somewhat maybe counterintuitively if politicians got paid a lot more, then they wouldn't feel like that there's so much of a forcing function for them to – except corrupt money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But it's less of a forcing function. Yes. Well, let me put it this way. If you say somebody's got a, let's say they've got whatever, some kids in D.C., and it's an expensive place to live, the schools are terrible, so they need to send their kids to some kind of private schooling situation. They literally cannot afford that. They cannot afford that right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So then you get into the situation, well, from their standpoint, well, they've got to... They'll say they're doing it for their family. They're doing it for their kids.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's more than just insider trading. The stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but it's a lot more than insider trading. The way they're acquiring wealth?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, this is really going to get me assassinated. It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least. I mean, if I was supposed to go back to D.C., how am I going to survive? This poker is going to kill me for sure. So...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
In fact, I do think like there's – it's like I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff because it's going to get me killed. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually thinking about that on the plane flight over here. It's like if I push too hard on the corruption stuff, people get desperate is the issue.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Then they say like, okay, if the money flow cuts off, then okay, they can't afford school for their kids. Right. Then, then it's, then they're like, well, fuck you. I'm going to kill you for my kids type of thing. Yeah. You know, and I was like, oh, geez.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, totally. Well, see, this is what I think for that butler situation, for that assassin, it's kind of like that funny-looking sport curling, you know, where they have the stone on the ice, and then they throw the stone, and then there's someone that's brushing the ice, but you can't touch the stone. All you can do is just change the path of the stone a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And it's a misnomer because if you have a government-funded, non-governmental organization, you're simply a government-funded organization. It's an oxymoron.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But you keep brushing the ice and you can steer that stone right into the bullseye. That's what I think happened in Butler. That's what I think happened with that assassin. If you can find the trail of breadcrumbs, it's going to be like curling. Somebody was brushing the ice.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Just brush the ice. Yeah. If you're brushing the ice, eventually it's going to hit the bullseye.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
No, exactly. Exactly. I mean, they were suicide bombers. I mean, the Butler guy was a suicide assassin. The second guy that tried to kill him on the golf course was also a suicide assassin. From what I read, the Secret Service member that saw the gun pointing out fired several shots, none of which hit the assassin. But they could have.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like if those shots had hit the second assassin, he would be dead too. So both of them... they were on a suicide mission, both of them. One actually got killed, one of them didn't get killed. But he could have been killed if the bullets had hit him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Basically, the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government but are somehow made legal if it's sent to a so-called non-profit. But these non-profits are then used to – people cash out these non-profits. They become very wealthy through non-profits. They pay themselves enormous sums through these non-profits.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
There's a lot more about that guy than the first guy. I mean, you look at his background, he looks like, you know. Unhinged. Yeah, totally unhinged. Yeah. The first guy, there's no, I'm not aware of any evidence that shows that he's so unhinged as to be a suicide assassin. No. The second guy, like, okay, yeah, sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, like, basically, I'm like, listen. I get it. Attack the corruption enough to keep civilization trucking along, you know. Yeah. But I think if I fully destroy the corruption and the graft, they will kill me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. So I'm like, damn it. I really hope they don't kill you. Yeah. Thanks. Um, I mean, I strive, strive to be alive. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a real concern. Um, You know, I mean, there were two guys that, before I supported Trump and everything, there were two guys that traveled to Austin to kill me. I don't know if you know about this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. And two separate incidents. One guy thought I put a chip in his head. I mean they're both basically two guys that were just very much had severe mental illness. It wasn't like they had like a – I disagree with him politically and that's why he needs to die. This was pre – before I was – Before I got sort of smeared as being some sort of Nazi or something like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So before the propaganda wave, the severe propaganda wave, the probability that any given homicidal maniac is going to try to kill you is proportionate to how many times they hear your name. And so they heard my name a lot, so I just got to the top of the list of two homicidal maniacs who were arrested, and both were in Travis County Jail at the same time. Whoa.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I don't know if they talked or whatever, but they've both been released, by the way. Jesus Christ. They've both been released on bail, yeah. Right, but they got ankle monitors and stuff, but still.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, and the second guy had, like, chief serial killer in his bio on his ex profile. Yeah, it wasn't subtle is what I'm saying.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. And at this point, I think I'm at the top of the list for a lot of homicidal maniacs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Which is they're making it sound like if you kill me, you're a hero. That's – what they're doing is evil.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Right. And it's like I'm the same person that I was a year ago. Nothing's changed, really. I didn't suddenly become a completely different human. But if you read the legacy mainstream media, their propaganda stream is that I am a completely different human. But I didn't get a brain transplant in a year. And let's say two years ago, I was a hero of the left. So how can I go from hero to villain
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
They even tried to demonize, in fact, at least partially successfully demonized Tim Irvin. who is a super rational, reasonable, great human. And his Wikipedia changed to far right. And he's like, far right? I'm like, what are you talking about? A few years ago, he was a liberal. So how do you go from liberal to instantly far right? And there's no left and right. There's only left and far right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Even far right. This is my left leg and this is my far right leg.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I think there's a total number of NGOs, probably millions. But in terms of large NGOs, tens of thousands. I mean it's actually – it's kind of a hack to the system where someone can get an NGO stood up for a fairly small amount of money. Like George Soros is really good at this. Like he really – George Soros is like a system hacker. Like he figured out how to hack the system.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. That's totally crazy. Yeah. I mean, I'm like – I'm overall pro-vaccine, meaning like we think we should have some reasonable number of vaccines against major ailments. But I don't think we should be like jamming some little kid with like a giant vial that's like – Hepatitis B. Yeah, 20 different things at a time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like it's going to overload your – it seems like there's a risk of overloading your immune system if you – I mean, there's like how many vaccines can you take at a time? It seems like your systems, there's like some risk of system overload here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, that's really the biggest thing is that – I mean, the news is not going to attack one of their biggest advertisers. Exactly. And they never do. Yes. At best, they're going to... They might like... They'll do something, but they're going to pull their punches. They're going to be like fake fighting. Yeah. Yeah. At best. Yes. Like movie fighting, but they're not actually landing haymakers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Um, Yeah. I think AI actually could be very helpful with medical stuff. Because AI can look at all the studies and look at all the data, cross-check everything, and give you good recommendations. I mean, even as it is, like right now, you can upload your x-rays and your MRI images to Grok, and it'll give you a medical diagnosis.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And that diagnosis, from what I've seen, is at least as good as what, if not, I think. I've certainly seen cases where it's actually better than what doctors tell you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can literally take a photograph of your blood work, like the page, upload it from your phone, upload that to Grok, and it will tell you if it'll understand what all the data results are and tell you if there's something wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, yeah. Sometimes doctors, especially in high-rent offices, will sell you stuff you don't need. So I always like to be a little suspicious of a doctor that's got an office in Beverly Hills. Yeah. It's a high-rent situation. I'm not saying there are some very good doctors in Fairleigh Hills, but it's a high rent situation. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. And, I mean, one case, like, you know, I went to this doctor who was, like, highly recommended, you know, doctor to the stars, which is, like, maybe not a good sign. And I got, like, blood work done. You know, like, just drew blood and sent it to a lab. And the guy, I'm, like, sitting in his office, and he tells me that I'm, like, B12 deficient.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
He's a genius at arbitrage. I mean, these days he's pretty old, but a genius at arbitrage. So he figured out that you could leverage a small amount of money to create a nonprofit, then lobby the politicians to send a ton of money to that nonprofit so you can take what might be a $10 million donation to a nonprofit to create a nonprofit and leverage that into a billion-dollar NGO.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You know, it's certainly possible that I'm B12 deficient. And I was like, huh, okay. And then he gives me, it says, like, you have to take these, like, B12 supplements. And he's going to give me a starter pack. You know, and then it's going to be, like, $1,000 a month for these special B12. $1,000 a month for B12? Ridiculous amount of money, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah, it was like a whole bunch, B12 and a whole bunch of other vitamins. So then I get home. I'm paging through my blood work, and it says, according to the blood results, I have excess B12. So I'm like, wait a second. And he's giving me box pulls that have like 20,000% of recommended daily dose. Like 20,000% is a big number.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And I'm like, I said, look, I took a photograph of the blood work that says I have excess. I'm like above the range, above the recommended range of B12. And then I'm like – and I took a picture of the thing. It says – of the pills that say 20,000 percent.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like can you help me reconcile these two things because it says I've got too much – a little too much B12 and you just gave me pills that have 20,000 percent more. I'm like this is crazy. What did the doctor say? He said you can never have too much B12. Oh, he's a B-12 junkie. I'm like, yes, you can.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. That guy's a B-12 addict. Yes, totally insane. That's what I'm saying. It's like, so, I mean, I could have just, so then, you know. Well, this was a while ago, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Now you can just photograph with your phone and upload it to Grok and Grok will tell you what's happening.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
just don't have it in sexy mode she'll keep trying to fuck you I mean you're asking for it in sexy mode you know literally you tapped on sexy mode yeah you're asking for it I mean I think we probably should like maybe allow it to get out of character a little bit sure yeah it's like an unhinged mode I try to get it back to being hinged but it would like no fucking way it's like I'm gonna stay unhinged how many modes do you have
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I was like, I don't know, like eight or something. And then there's an ability to have a custom mode. So then you can have unhinged sexy. Ooh.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But that's exactly what a Nazi would say. Damn it. Yeah, that's what an alien would say.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's not because it's logical. I mean, what's relevant about Nazis is like, are you like invading Poland? Right. And if you're not like invading Poland, Maybe you're not. You have to be committing genocide and starting wars. What is bad about Nazis? It wasn't their fashion sense or their mannerisms. It was the Holocaust. The war and genocide is the bad part.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And what about all these so-called Proud Boy rallies or whatever? And it's like, they always got masks and they always got the same uniforms. And for some reason, they never get doxxed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
A nonprofit is a weird word. It's just a non-governmental organization. And then you can – the government continues to fund that every year. And it will have a nice sounding name like the Institute for Peace or something like that. But really it's a graft machine.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I do think like one argument for me staying alive is that it's more entertaining if I'm alive than if I'm dead. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. But I could be alive and injured, which would suck. Right. Like the wing just shoot my arm off or something.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
What do they have to do? Just really no requirements at all.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I think a lot of people in the government know that they're not doing good work, but it's a giant graph machine. I mean, people online are like unpacking this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. But doesn't it do some good as well? No, it does some good. So it's not like 0% good. If it was really 0% good, it would be much easier to attack. So there's going to be some percent good that they add in there. But it might be 5% or 10% good, but 90%, 95% not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean we have continued to fund things that appear to be legitimate even with the flimsiest – if there's even the flimsiest excuse. Like I just say like send me a picture of the thing. Like you could literally have AI generate the picture. But if you're not even willing to try to trick me … then we're not going to send the money, okay?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, there was work for Ebola prevention. I actually don't know if this work is even effective. It may or may not be. It could be the kind of thing where you sort of fund Ebola prevention, but it turns out that actually you're funding a lab that develops new Ebola recipes or something, you know? And they claim it's Ebola prevention, but it's actually Ebola creation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So some of these things, I don't know. But it just seems like we shouldn't be sending taxpayer money to dubious enterprises overseas.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Well, also, we just have a real issue with the budget deficit. It's gigantic. All things being equal, if we didn't have a gigantic budget deficit where the interest on the national debt exceeds the Defense Department budget, which is truly astounding. So we're paying over a trillion dollars of interest on the national debt. then, okay, we would have more room for wasting money basically.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You're clearly a genius. I said, what is in Fort Knox? You know the gold and all?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But when we're spending so much money that the country is going bankrupt, then we really need to stop spending money unless we're sure it is good value.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, most of the time I create businesses from scratch. Twitter was a case where I kind of bought a company that was – I kind of knew it was a hairball.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
No, Tesla did not exist in any meaningful form. There were no employees. JV's Travel or Not joined three other people. There was no car. There was no nothing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, we started off with about 40 people, maybe 100 people. And we're really just going through doing very basic things here. As bad as Twitter was, the federal government is much worse. So... In the case of Twitter, it wasn't a profitable company. It was basically a break-even company, but at least it was break-even, and it had to pass an audit. The federal government is not break-even.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's literally losing $2 trillion a year, and it does not pass its audits. It fails its own audits. There was a case where... I think Senator Collins was telling me about how she gave the Navy $12 billion for more submarines, got no extra submarines, and then held a hearing to say where the $12 billion go. And they were like, we don't know. That was it. I mean, basically, this stuff is so crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like only the federal government could get away with this level of waste. It's mostly waste. It's mostly not fraud. It's mostly waste. It's mostly just ridiculous things happening. Because they've been able to do it this way for so long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, it's like Milton Friedman said, like, money is most poorly spent when you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know. How much are you going to care?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And that's the federal government. So they're spending someone else's money on people they don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, the people receiving the money want to keep receiving the money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah, clearly. Yes. So, but, you know, I mean, the reason I'm, The reason I'm putting so much effort into this is that I think it is a very dire situation. It's not optional, basically. America's going bankrupt, so that just can't happen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. We found just with a basic search of the social security database that there were 20 million dead people mocked as alive. But were they getting money? Some of them were getting money. What percentage of them? It isn't clear. We're actually trying to run this around. I was trying to get an answer right before the show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
What it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from Social Security payments directly, but because they're marked as alive in the Social Security database that they can then get disability, unemployment, sort of fake medical payments, and other things because they're marked as alive in the Social Security database. So it looks like the fraud is a bank shot, essentially.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
The bank shot into Social Security. They just do an are you alive check and then get fraudulent payments from every other part of the government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. And this exploits – the fundamental weakness in the government is that the various government databases, they don't talk to each other. Or they talk to each other very poorly in a very limited way. So the way the system gets exploited is by taking advantage of the poor communication between the various databases in the government. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
To give you an example of what's happening in, say, Treasury, which is improving rapidly, the main payments computer is called PAM, like Payment Accounts Master Database or something like that, but everyone calls it PAM. That's responsible for almost $5 trillion of payments a year, roughly $1 billion an hour. And when we came there, we're looking at the payment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like the payments have no – you could put a payment through with no payment categorization code and no description on the payment, like basically untraceable blank checks. This is the kind of thing that if it was done as a public company, the company would be immediately delisted and the executive team would be thrown in prison. But this is just normal at the government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So we said, okay, our recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is like we need to make the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional, and there needs to be an – An explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now. My guess is that probably saves $100 billion a year. Jesus Christ. Where was that money going? Rough order of magnitude.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, so this is where you get into the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud. If money is sent to a person or organization from the government and you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you, is that waste or fraud?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot of payments that where someone just approved the payment, but then that payment officer changed jobs or retired or died. And the payments just keep going. It's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Now, imagine it's not the gym membership. You said your gym membership is $20 billion a year or something. But they forgot to turn it off. That's happening at scale in the government.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's totally nuts is what I'm saying. That's so insane. Yes, it's totally insane. What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it would be like this? I thought it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this. I mean, look, the good news is that it's a target-rich environment for saving money. It's not like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
If it was a very well-run ship, if it was very efficient, it would be hard to improve. But it's not efficient, so therefore it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say it's not rocket science. You know, I know rocket science. So... It's a lot of mundane things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And some of the things are like so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed like, you know, payments out of the treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and it would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for. The idea that it would be just untraceable blank checks didn't occur to us at first. Jesus. So anyway, just.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
They don't know. I think that's probably a cumulative number. Yes. So, yeah. But, yeah, if you add up, it's. Do you remember that story, Jamie? Yeah. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Because it needs to talk shit and give you answers. Right. Totally agree. It's got to balance that out. It's got to mix it in there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I mean, how do you know? Obviously, one cannot say it was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on. That doesn't make any sense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, this is a revolutionary cabinet and maybe the most revolutionary cabinet since the first revolution. This is not a bunch of business as usual. So this is why some of the standard confirmations are quite challenging is because when you try to appoint people who are going to change the system, the system doesn't want to let them through.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that's what they're upset about. That's the real thing they're upset about. And if you want to know what Doge is cutting, and I want to be clear, these are cuts that Doge recommends to the department. And usually these recommendations are followed, but these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You can see line by line what Doge has done at doge.gov. So whatever we do, we put on Doge.gov so you can see everything that is being done.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. And you can look at each line item. And, you know, a bunch of these sort of fallout shows will say, like, oh, it's a constitutional crisis, blah, blah, blah. But what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong. Right. So my challenge to them is point out which payments are wrong. Yeah, go through it. Which of these sort of waste slash fraud things are wrong? Which line?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You're hearing anecdotal stories about mothers starving. But we can name the specifics. Yeah. Line by line. We got the receipts. And here's the other thing. We post the receipts.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. So, exactly. Because we're saying, like, look, in fact, I've said we're going to make mistakes. We're not going to be perfect. So, if we make a mistake, we'll quickly fix it. So, we need to act fast to stop wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer money. But if we make a mistake, we'll reverse it quickly. Right. You know, so...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. As it is, there are tens of thousands of federal employees that have access already to the system. Anyone from Doge has to go through the same vetting process that those federal employees went through. So it's not like some unvetted random situation. If, for example, there's a security clearance needed, the Doge person has to have that same security clearance. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So there's no reduction in security. But, I mean, obviously the vast numbers of social security numbers have leaked onto the Internet. People have hacked the government systems multiple times. Vast amounts of public information has been hacked and dumped onto the Internet. So there's a guy at the IRS that leaked half a million tax returns. just a few years ago. On purpose? Yeah. For what reason?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It doesn't need to bring it down. It's bringing itself down.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
He wanted to, I think he was trying to get at Trump and maybe me and a few others. But he stole like 500,000 tax returns. Like not a few, like it's a lot of tax returns. Jesus Christ. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, well, that's the only thing they can say, but they can't point to the line item.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And so they can't say like, well, this is the thing where, you know, the nutrients for pregnant mothers were stopped. They can't point to that because we didn't. Right. It's a lie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. So, I mean, I think it's, there's kind of, I think it makes sense because he's just talking about the things, not the sort of, he's just talking about the opinions. Opinion pieces. The opinion pieces. Yeah. So the regular journalism stays the same. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. The whole thing is very crazy. I mean, the media is incredibly partisan. I mean, they're not – I mean, they take – almost all the media is – you're left shifted. It's kind of weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
If you talk to somebody who gets all their information from what I call legacy media, they're living in a different world than if they, say, are listening to your podcast or are getting news from X. It's kind of wild. It is very wild. It's like they're living in an ultimate reality.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP, they ran an international news story saying that Doge fired air traffic controllers. But we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all. In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them. Yeah, I saw that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I don't know. But like if you – like let's say if somebody posts – if somebody puts up like a two-hour long video, that's not a tweet. Right. It's a post. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So – But I don't know if people still want to call it a tweet or whatever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. So a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were pushed out because of DEI stuff. So, I mean, not to be blunt, I mean, a bunch of really good, talented old white guys were pushed out. It's not cool. And so there's a talent shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and not hiring people on merit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I think we should not put the public safety at risk because of some demented philosophy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It was like 400 people or something, and some sex chat room with some extremely demanded stuff. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Who's supposed to, like, spy on, you know, like, if, like, it's a national threat or something.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, a work environment should be a professional environment where, you know, they're getting the job done that they're, you know, being paid to do. Of course. It's obviously not supposed to be sort of getting paid for bizarre sexcapades.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's a serious case of no one's being arrested-o-phobia, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You probably have whatever you want. You can have a cat girl if you want.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I think I've got probably the same information that I mean, I'm just reading What's the latest thing on the X, you know, I'm just looking at my feed and I'm like, yeah, you know, it's a real page-turner And like I thought we're gonna get some revelations today I was like big binders full of stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
No, it's all old stuff from 2015 and 2021. Okay, what the fuck is going on? But then apparently they discovered a whole bunch of stuff at the Southern District of New York. Right. So that's – and I'm like – and I think Pam Bondi is actually great and Cash Patel are great, but they just got there. Right. So then they're in a – they just got there, but they're in a hostile environment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
They're not in a friendly environment. Right. So it's like if you suddenly got put in – captain of a ship, but the crew was previously your enemy. Right. The entire crew was previously your enemy. Right. You know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, the crew doesn't want to give you the evidence because the crew is your enemy. They were like your mortal enemies just a moment ago. You just got there. Yeah. So I think we've got to give, you know, the Attorney General and, you know, new director of the FBI a little bit of slack here because they literally just got there. I think so too.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
If there's conspiracy evidence, someone's going to send it to you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Someone's going to send you the stuff. Yeah. So it hasn't been released yet. There's no way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You got to get your own. Don't they have sex with their tails or something?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I haven't seen it, so... Cash Patel has. He has? He said he's seen it all. Yeah. He just posted to his, like, ex-account or something.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
What about the storm? I am the storm. I mean, what channels? Here's the channel.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. Just getting anything done. Like I said, you just joined as captain of a ship where the crew hates your guts. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. They were your enemy. They're strongly opposed to anything you want to do. Yeah. And you're trying to give them orders. And you're trying to expose them. Yeah, they don't want to be exposed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I was reading on X that, like, Comey's daughter is, like, the lead prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. Did you read that? Yes. And, like, so obviously there's a bit of an entanglement there. A little bit. Like, what if there's something that, you know, puts her dad in a bad light? What?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I just want to know about Fort Knox, and it won't leave me alone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, why don't we just data dump the files? Just go in there, take photos of all the papers, presumably paper, and just post it online. And let the chips fall where they may.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Is it in some filing cabinet somewhere? I don't know. Right. Where is it? Where's the magic filing cabinet?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So I think part of it is like, you know, like, let's say you were made director of the FBI.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I might be able to. Yeah, that's what's crazy. Like, literally, you go there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, Dan's hardcore. If it's reasonably findable, I think he's going to find it. Between him and Cash, I think they're going to get stuff out there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like an FBI computer where you type in the search? That's what I want to know. I'm just like with the basic mechanism here. It's either in a filing cabinet on paper where it's like, Maybe there's progressive levels of security. You're like, open this door. Do you have the pass for this level? You get a level unlocked, and there's a level unlocked. You get in there, and there's an old Acer laptop.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah, there's an old unplugged laptop. You've got to only plug it in. It's in a skiff. Yeah, this is why I think a tour of Fort Knox would be awesome. Like a live tour of Fort Knox. We can actually see. It's like, is the gold there or not? They say it is. Is it real? Or did somebody spray paint some lead? Imagine if it's not. Imagine if it's not all there. Like some of it's missing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I believe the last formal audit was in the 50s. So I'm like, okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Absolutely. I just want to emphasize the sheer madness of the government. Because they have magic money computers, the checks never bounce for the federal government. So you don't have the normal corrective mechanism that you'd have for a company or for an individual. The check's just always clear. The net result is inflation, which is effectively a tax on everyone. But...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like the Defense Department hasn't passed an audit in I don't know how many years. Seven years. Yeah. I mean, exactly. So it's like you have to be frigging Chuck Norris. Only Chuck Norris can get the Defense Department to pass an audit type of thing. That's the level of skill you need.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Exactly. So, you know, the Pentagon will like – like their accounting error, like the stuff that they lose in the couch cushions is like $20, $30 billion a year. They don't know where it went. It's gone. Way to go. And it's gone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
That's why I say even simple things like just requiring that outgoing payments for the treasury computer have a payment code and a comment of what the payment is about and someone to call about the payment I think will have a very powerful effect in stopping wasteful outflows and stopping fraud.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like, hopefully the biggest scam of all time ever. Of human history. Of human history, yes. Wow. Wow. I think you're right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like it's probably a trillion dollar scam. There's never been a trillion dollar scam, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
No. This is the most absurd outcome I can possibly imagine, actually. Also, Doge started as sort of a meme coin. It was like a joke cryptocurrency involving memes and dogs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Well, actually, I was originally going to call it the Government Efficiency Commission, which is a very boring name. And then people online were like, no, it needs to be the Department of Government Efficiency. And I was like, you know what? You're right. Of course. Of course.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like the sheriff's service. Like our mascot is a cute dog.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like a casino or something. I don't know. Yeah, it's totally gambling. And people just do whatever, greater fool theory and musical chairs and whoever's the last to sit down loses type of thing. And somehow or another, it's still legal. I think not too many people – I mean it's sort of like you go to the casino. If you expect to win at the casino, you're being a fool. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being foolish. Yeah. You're not going to win at meme coins. Don't sink your life savings into a meme coin. No, but you can gamble a little and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little. If you want to have some fun, then play with meme coins.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Good. Can you tell me about Avatar depression? Like if you've seen the movie Avatar, but you can't live there, so you get sad?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
At the risk of saying something bold and outrageous, don't bet the farm on a meme coin.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, casinos are legal. Yeah. It is like a casino. And people just lose money at casinos. Yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, the government's one big pyramid scheme if you ask me. Yeah, well, you could tell me better than anybody. Social security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into Social Security and the money goes out of Social Security immediately. But the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So you're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far. Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So basically, people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation. So however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future at the risk of being a buzzkill here.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Did you see... So we better fix what we've got right now, because if it's bad now, it's going to be much worse in the future.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
There's so many whistles being blown. It's hard to keep track. A lot of whistles.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Not just Social Security, but disability, which is even more.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So if I were to say, what's at the heart of... Why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that entitlements fraud, that includes like Social Security, disability, Medicaid, entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Like basically, if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90% of earth, then you have a very powerful economy. incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here. But if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet and they leave. And they stop coming and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And if that happens, they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Correct. Which they were trying to do. They're already turning them. So in New York State, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections. A lot of people don't know that. I mean, they're trying to fight that. They're trying to stop that. But currently, I think it's like 600,000 are registered to vote, illegal aliens, in New York. That is wild. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look at, say,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
FEMA, the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York was FEMA. That's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters, was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York. It's true.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
There's a fact. Fact. They're literally – like when we stopped that payment, we stopped all those money because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money. New York sued the government, sued the federal government to get the money. So you could just look at their lawsuit. They were sending that money even after President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I thought the movie had some good special effects, but I did not want to live on the planet. And this is coming from a guy who wants to go to Mars.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
They still press send on $80 million to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money went to pay for illegal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes, exactly. What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening. It's like a giant voter fraud scam. They're importing voters, and it's really just a matter of time. A lot of people have trouble believing this, but the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is. It's not just real. It is real.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That's what, in my view, it is what it really is. Like if you take the sort of seven swing states, like often the margin of victory there is like maybe 20,000 votes. If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like a 80% likelihood of voting down and it's only a matter of time before they become citizens.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they are not swing states, we'll be a permanent one-party state country. Permanent deep blue socialist state. That's what America will become.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
That was the game plan. That is still the game plan. And so they almost succeeded. If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that's what would have happened. The reason I went so hardcore for Trump was because, to me, this was a fork in the road, like a very obvious fork in the road.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states... not swing states. They would be blue states. Then they would win the House, the Senate, and the presidency. They would then make DC into a state Maybe Puerto Rico. Get four extra senators. Pack the Supreme Court.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I guess there are sort of square things on Earth. You know, the planet's a big place, so eventually it's going to be pretty square. No, it's alien civilizations, of course. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what is it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So then you'll have the House, Judiciary, Senate, and Presidency all blue. And then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that outcome. Basically what happened in California.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It would have been the end. That's why I went so hardcore for Trump. It was otherwise been the end. And that's why the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I invite people to do their research. The more they do their research, the more they will see that what I'm saying is absolutely true. Just do the research.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, I think these things are actually, it's easy to understand if you look at basic incentives. The basic incentive here is the more illegals that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're going to do. That's what they have been doing. And it worked in California. California supermajority dam.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And look at all the companies that are leaving California. I mean, In-N-Out just announced they're leaving. Their headquarters is leaving California.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So... And California made healthcare free for illegals as of last year. And obviously that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals. And this is not a thing you can solve simply with money because what happens is you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see. And you can't just make doctors out of nothing. So sometimes people are like, oh, it's just a money thing.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
No, it takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor, 30 years. And so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see. So then the average citizen in California suffers as a result. Now, the elite in California are fine because they have private doctors. They can just pay for the best doctors.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
So the elite in California are doing fine, but your average citizen in California is not doing fine. And the tax burden for healthcare for illegals was supposed to be $3 billion. I think they now estimate it's $9 billion. But that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like Why not? Why not? If you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. This is why the Dems will not even deport criminals. Yeah. Because every criminal deported is a lost vote. So even if somebody is illegal with a criminal record and commits crime in America, they still were not being deported.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID when you vote. I just want to be clear so everyone understands this. In California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID even if you want to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
If you're trying to facilitate fraud in elections, it's a great idea. That's the only reason.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's for fraud. It's like, wake up, sheeple. Wake up. Hello. Let's say you wanted to commit fraud. What are the things you would do? You would say, you don't need ID, and you can mail in your ballot. And we'll give you free health care.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, in this case, it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California. It's just like, goddamn...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Right to the rocks. Bang. Crash the boat. I mean, there's a guy who posts on X who's great, God Saad. Yeah, he's a friend of mine.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, he's great. And he talks about basically suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. Yeah. So we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. And I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be... programmed like a robot. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. It's weaponized empathy is the issue. Yeah. Weaponized empathy. And yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Almost completely. It's borderline illegal to be a Republican in California. In San Francisco or L.A., it's borderline illegal to be a Republican.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
No, look. In San Francisco, you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall. And nothing would happen to you. But if you walk down the street with a MAGA hat, you're going to get attacked. Right. It's insane.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, I sort of can trace it to when did the gun emoji get nerfed? When did it turn into a squirt gun? That was a couple of years ago. That was like 2016, I think. Was it? Yeah. Yeah, it became a squirt gun. Can you bring it back to X? Yeah, no, no. If you use a gun emoji on X, Apple will insist that it be a squirt gun, and then the X app turns it back into a 1911 gun. Oh, really? Yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, my view is we should move to Mars. Well, not move to Mars. We should have a second planet to preserve civilization. Right. Because let's say hypothetically, I mean, maybe those are the ruins of a long dead civilization. That will probably happen to Earth at some point. You know, it's a matter of time before we get hit by an asteroid or maybe we annihilate ourselves with...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Oh, that's great. So you can actually have a 1911 gun. We reverted the Apple change inside the app.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I like that meme where it's like the people telling you that what you're hearing is disinformation are the same people that did the pregnant man emoji. Yes. Yeah. Think about that.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yo, this is a dude with a strong jawline. Yeah, he's wearing woman face. This is a buff dude.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, come on. That's not a woman. Yeah. And they're like saying, watch out for disinformation. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's so crazy. This is bullshit.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. Any questioning of it would result in being ostracized.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And probably accelerating. I mean, my account would have been suspended long ago. For sure. Yeah, for sure.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Uh, I mean, I'm just trying to keep civilization going here, you know, for longer. Um, so, um, I think we at least want to build a city on Mars, um, and become a multi-planet civilization, um, which I think would be incredibly important in ensuring the long-term survival of civilization.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Actually, probably four weeks. They were supposed to be up there for like eight days. Yeah. And they've been up there for like eight months. So a little longer than expected.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, if long you stay up there, you get, you know, sort of in zero G, you get increased bone loss. So it ended up being like this political football and sort of hotly contested topic. We offered to bring them back early. This offer was rejected by the Biden administration.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
What do you think they would have done if they had won? How would they get those people back? No, they can only get them back with a SpaceX spacecraft. But they pushed the return date past the inauguration date.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Nuclear war. Or super volcanoes. Or super volcanoes, exactly.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
There isn't anyone else to do it. NASA can't get them. The SpaceX Dragon spacecraft is the only one that is considered safe enough to bring them back. So NASA concluded that the Boeing spacecraft was not safe. So that's why they're stuck there.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. But they would obviously treat it as a propaganda victory and charge crazy money.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, there were also the Biden administration was also suing SpaceX. They had this massive lawsuit against SpaceX for SpaceX not hiring asylum seekers. Right. So people like say like, oh, Elon's making it up. The Biden administration wasn't against SpaceX. I'm like...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Bro, the Department of Justice had a massive lawsuit against SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is illegal for us to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident. So there's law that says you have to hire asylum seekers, but there's also a law that says anyone hired by a rocket company, which is an advanced weapons technology, must be a permanent resident.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
An asylum seeker is not a permanent resident. So it is both legal and illegal to hire asylum seekers. So why would the Biden administration launch a massive lawsuit? Again, this is public information. It's not like my imagination. Why would they launch such a massive lawsuit against SpaceX? They're extremely antagonistic.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
There's in fact, there's, International traffic and arms regulations is like a law that is there to ensure that only permanent residents of the United States can work at advanced weapons companies. Rockets are advanced weapons. So the same is true if it's nuclear or some bioweapon thing or something like that.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Obviously, if someone were to work its basics and then go leave and go to North Korea or Iran, they could build missile technology that could destroy the United States. So that's why you're not allowed to hire people who are permanent residents. It's logical. Logical. Logical.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Right. That lawsuit was funded by Reid Hoffman, who is a major damn donor. And also an Epstein client. The plot thickens.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Known Epstein clients who are obviously extremely powerful, powerful politically and very wealthy are Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, and Reid Hoffman. And some others too, but those three. So, you know, why was Reid Hoffman so intent on destroying Trump? You think it's because they're worried about the list coming out? Yeah, one of the reasons. Yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So... I mean, I'm like, this is, you know, yeah, so... It's so frustrating to be sitting in a situation where the list isn't coming out. Well, it better come out, I mean, hopefully tomorrow.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Uh... Like I said, the tough thing that they've got is they've been made captain of a ship with a hostile crew. So it's not like you have magical powers. You get made captain of a ship with a hostile crew, you still have a hostile crew. You've got to bring in people who are going to be helpful as opposed to obstructionist. Right.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
But yeah, I think the public will be rightly frustrated if no one is prosecuted for the Epstein-Klein list, no one at all. At least, I don't know, the top five or something? Some number. There should at least be an attempted prosecution of the worst offenders.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, a bunch of these things are not like it's, it's common knowledge, but we just, we don't actually have the proof. Right. Um, so the proof is there. I mean, there's lots of videos. Um, Yeah. I mean, the dude is like a mountain of... Whenever they raided Epstein's place, there would have been like a mountain of evidence. Where is that mountain?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Like, who took possession of the evidence? Yeah. Specifically. Right. The individuals.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Well... Yeah. Yeah. You know, what we need are people who are really good with computers.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Uh, I mean, SpaceX, um, you know, my company, SpaceX, has the most advanced rocket technology in the world. I think I'd know. Right. And to the best of my knowledge, there is not any magic, there's not like some super advanced propulsion technology.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, there's nothing even that I'm aware of that works in theory. It's not like I don't... I would like this to exist, to be clear. I would like this to exist. And I have the... From a security clearance standpoint, I have top, top secret. I have equivalent of like an all-access pass from a security clearance standpoint. So... I don't think they're hiding it from me, basically.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I know these weapons manufacturing companies, like Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop. I mean, yeah, they do some interesting things, but there's no breakthrough that they have. I'm confident they do not have a breakthrough. Why don't they just compete with SpaceX and make a better rocket? Why are they holding back on making a lot of money from beating SpaceX with better rockets?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I want cool things to exist. Right. Do I want UFOs to exist? Yes, I want UFOs to exist because that would be really interesting. Of course, everybody does. It would be cool. It's a more boring world where UFOs don't exist. Or like advanced propulsion stuff doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, that's more boring. I'd like it to be more interesting. If it did exist, I'd like it to exist.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I hope we find something. But I have not seen... Like, SpaceX launches 90% of all satellite mass to orbit. So if you take all of Earth's rocket launches, my company has a 90% market share of Earth. China does about 5%, and the rest of the world does, including the Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, and everyone, does 5%. So... Why wouldn't they use this to defeat SpaceX?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Sure. I mean, can we does anyone have a high risk video or photo of this thing?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, there's like somebody did a curve of like the resolution of UFOs and the resolution of cameras. to move the UFO resolution of the state flat despite megapixels and cameras going like, you know, super high.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
That's what I've been looking for. You could ask our Grok AI right now to create a high-res image of an alien spacecraft over Austin. Yeah. And it's going to do a great job. So why would we not have at least that?
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, there have been like multiple times where the Air Force and Navy has called SpaceX and said they think they've seen aliens. And we're like, was it at this time on this date in this location? They're like, yes. How do you know? That's us. There's been a lot of that. That's our satellites. Those are our satellites. And they're like, no, they're not.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And they are moving at, you know, 16,000 miles an hour. So it's pretty fast. Yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It does look awesome. I mean, they're not stealthy against any advanced radar system, by the way. It doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore? It doesn't work, no. Was it old school stuff? They're only stealthy against old radars.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
They're working on a new one right now. They didn't shut them down.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, you can still see them. They're not invisible. Right. They're not like, oh, it's not like a cloaking device from Star Trek.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It's because I'm an alien. There's time you need. I thought about it. I'm an alien, and I keep telling people I'm an alien, but they don't believe me. I believe you. Okay, thank you.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Um, well, I mean, the fundamental breakthrough we're aiming for at SpaceX is a fully and rapidly reusable orbital rocket where both stages are fully and rapidly reusable. With our Falcon rocket, we are able to reuse the main stage and the nose cone, but we're not able to reuse the upper stage. And it still takes us at least a few days from when the main stage lands to when we can fly it again.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It's not fully reusable because we lose the upper stage, which costs $10 million to build. And then the main stage, it's not as reusable as an aircraft. You can't just refuel it and fly. It requires work for a couple of days. But the Starship design is the first design that is capable of full and rapid reusability, where that is one of the possible outcomes.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And once you have full and rapid reusability, the cost of access to space drops by a factor of 100. It's like 100 times cheaper. By some metrics, it's 1,000 times cheaper. And... And then when you factor in orbital refilling, so you refill on orbit, it can drop the cost per ton to the surface of Mars by a factor of 10,000. Whoa. Yeah.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well... There's some... Like, we're pretty close to being able to rapidly reuse the booster for Starship. That's why, you know, it comes back and gets caught by the arms, and then the arms place it back in the launch mount. So... Now, this whole, you know... We have a little bit of engine damage. We got a little bit of heat shield damage. There's...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
There's tweaks that are needed, but we're pretty close to achieving full and rapid reusability of the booster. I think we'll achieve reusability of the ship this year, and I think we'll achieve rapid reusability of the whole stack ship and booster next year. This is the fundamental breakthrough required for life to become multi-planetary.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
On the shift side, the toughest problem is the heat shield. No one has ever developed a fully reusable orbital heat shield. Because when you come in from orbital velocity, you come in like a flaming meteor, like you're just a raging ball of fire. And it's hard to have a heat shield that doesn't partially melt or get destroyed in that process.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I think we should stop trying to genetically engineer super viruses. It's insane.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
You know, that wasn't a problem we were able to solve with Falcon 9. That's why the upper stage burns up on reentry. Okay. With Starship, the ship portion, you've got the booster and you've got the ship. We've got to solve making a fully reusable orbital heat shield, a problem that has never been solved before. For a while there, I was like, I'm not sure this is solvable.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
At this point, I think it is solvable. It requires detailed iteration on the heat shield tiles. I mean, we vertically integrated the manufacturing of the heat shield tiles because there was no supplier that could provide us with the materials that were needed. So the... You need to make essentially this very fine vermicelli of glass and aluminum oxide fibers. Aluminum oxide is basically sapphire.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So it's like glass and sapphire, very fine fibers in exactly the right geometry with special coatings. in order to have the heat shield tile be reusable, like not melt, but not be so brittle that it gets damaged on ascent or descent. Like it can't be as, you know, it's kind of like almost the brittleness of a coffee cup type of thing. And the rocket's shaking like hell.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So you got this thing like, you saw it firsthand. Like imagine you're at ground zero of that rocket. Like you feel how much shaking it was when you're like five miles away. Imagine if you're right there, you know. So you're shaking these things that are like as brittle as a coffee cup, trying not to have them crack or break. and then not have them melt. You've got several thousand of these things.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Yes. That's a very difficult problem. It's a problem no one has ever solved. So we've got to get the exact right materials combination, the right molecules in the right shape, and then apply that heat shield perfectly to the rocket with no mistakes. There's a reason that no one solved this before. It's a very difficult problem.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So like I said, we had to vertically integrate the entire manufacturing of the tile from basic raw materials to a finished tile. Like build the entire supply chain from basic raw materials. So you're just inputting silicon and aluminum oxides
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I mean, the Space Shuttle, like Space Shuttle Leading Edge used – like quite dense carbon-carbon tiles. They're like basically thick and heavy, but also subject to cracking. That's like what happens. The foam broke off and it hit the tile, cracked the tile. Then on entry, the tiles that had been cracked or broken weren't able to shield the shuttle.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And so the plasma got in and melted the primary structure and the whole space shuttle broke apart. Yeah. So you basically can't have something that's as brittle, you know, brittle like the space shuttle. This footage of that, right? Yeah. Yeah. And rain debris over the whole United States. Yeah. And they got almost all the pieces. The...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
The full technical explanation would, I think, be understood by about six people listening to this. There was a lot of brilliant engineering in the space shuttle tiles, and a bunch of the heat shielding wasn't even tiles. It was actually silica blankets, like felt blankets, essentially. If you look closely, you'll see they're actually heat blankets, not tiles in some areas.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
But they would have cracked tiles, and occasionally the tiles would fall off. There were a few close calls where tiles fell off, but they weren't in a super vulnerable position on the space shuttle. But it would take them several months, like eight, nine months, to refurbish a space shuttle between each flight. So it was not reusable at all. Really. And it certainly wasn't rapid. So...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Like I said, a very hard problem. You've also got to sort of attach the tiles in a way that enables the structure underneath to move, to expand and contract, even though you've got these very rigid tiles. So...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
like the the main that the tanks which take on cryogenic propellant will contract when you put in the cryogenic propellant but then when you come in and you get very hot they will expand so now you're expanding the you're contracting and expanding the gap between these rigid tiles but how much It varies depending on where you are on the vehicle.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So if you're in the cryogenic tank section, I mean, you can see like a 10%, 20% difference in the gap. Really? It's pretty significant, yeah. It's enough that you can't just put all the tile. You can't just jam the tiles together. If you actually butted them up, they would all crack. Because there's too much movement. There's also some amount of body bending.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So as the ship is ascending, when the engines steer, there's a little bit of movement. So if the tiles are too close together, they'll essentially just crack and snap. You have to have a gap. Like how planes – Yeah, like a plane wing will move. A plane body will move too.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
You have to have some gap, but if you have too much of a gap, then the heat gets past the tile and melts the structure.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, they're not all exactly the same size, but yeah, we have sort of a hexagonal tile.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, there's no 3D printer that's – I mean the biggest ones are like maybe three feet. There's no – you can't 3D print it. You have to have something that can move. Right. Uh, it has to be able to flex, to flex. Um, like, so you've got expansion and contraction. Um, you're, you're really dry.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Like you're, you know, you're, um, you're putting in liquid oxygen, which is like minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit. Um, Actually, we sub-cool it to minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's very cold. And then it will be several hundred degrees, maybe 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit potentially on reentry. So you get this huge temperature swing.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. But it was obviously meant in the most positive spirit possible. Yes. Yeah. Obviously. Obviously.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So the thermal expansion is substantial and the whole – and you're – thermal expansion and contraction combined with body bending. So you have to take the worst case body bending and thermal expansion contraction. This is a very hard problem. Yeah. Yeah. Delicate balance.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. What would be really helpful is for us to get the ship back so we can study – where we had cracked tiles or lost tiles. Why did we have a cracked or lost tiles? It was because maybe the tiles were, the gap was too big, too small. Maybe there was a height difference between the tiles. Maybe we need to change the chemical composition.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
If we can get the dam ship back intact, we can iterate a lot better. which we'll get it back intact. So I think we'll get it back intact this year. But that's why I think we'll probably recover the ship sometime this year, and then we might be able to refly one, but probably with a fair bit of work by the end of this year.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
But it's going to take us many iterations before we can achieve rapid reusability where the ship – comes back, lands, gets caught like the booster with the arms. And then the arms place it on top of the booster and it launches again. Whoa. So... Like I said, that's reduced cost of access to space by a factor of 100.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, we send SpaceX Dragon to the space station all the time. And we've now taken people to orbit and back. We've taken over 50 people, over 50 astronauts.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And now I can never point at things diagonally. I can only point at things there and there. And then you have to divide that because that's where the spaceship is over there. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
We do it routinely, basically. We've been doing this for a few years.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, probably about four weeks or so. It's depending on weather and other considerations. It's about a month away.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It's a bit of a political football. They're not going to complain. No, I'm sure they're going to be. But obviously, we could have brought them back way sooner.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Unmanned flight to Mars. The Earth and Mars... Orbits synchronize every two years. Or every 26 months, technically. So the next orbital synchronization is November of next year. And you can launch plus minus a month, roughly. So we'd have to launch in November or December of next year. So the default plan is to launch hopefully several starships to Mars at the end of next year.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, at first we're just gonna try to land on Mars and see if we succeed in landing. Do we succeed in landing, like let's say we were able to send five ships. Do all five land intact or do we add some craters to Mars? If we add some craters, we've gotta be a bit more cautious about sending people, you know. So we gotta make sure the thing lands safely.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Or it'll- No, just autonomous. Autonomous, completely. Mars is, you can't remote control things from Earth because- It's too far. Yeah, it's too far. Speed of light. You have speed of light constraints. So Mars at closest approach is roughly four light minutes. And when it's on the other side of the sun, it's about 12 light minutes. So, you know, round trip would be like 40 minutes.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, we're going to try to go as fast as possible. You can think of this as really a race against time. Can we make Mars self-sufficient before civilization has some sort of future folk in the road where there's either like a war, a nuclear war or something, or we get hit by a meteor, or simply civilization might just die with a whimper in adult diapers instead of with a bang.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So every photo is me. Every photo is me. It's absurd. It's so crazy. It's deliberate propaganda. Yes. So they know it was obviously not meant in a negative way, that I literally said my heart goes out to you, and it was very positive. The entire speech was very positive. I was being very enthusiastic about the future in space, and it was a great crowd. Yeah, you got a little pumped up.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I think we can do this in I don't know, at least I think we could do it within 15 Earth-Mars synchronization events. So basically like 30-ish years. If we have an exponential increase in If every two years we have a major increase in number of people and tonnage to Mars.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
I think as a rough approximation, we need about a million tons to the surface of Mars, maybe a million people, that kind of thing.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
You would eventually terraform Mars. At first people would live in some kind of protected environment like domes and underground kind of thing. Terraforming would take too long. We're at this point in time where, for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend consciousness beyond our home planet.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And that window may be open for a long time or it may be open for a short time. I hope it's open for a long time. But it might only be open for a short time. And we should just make sure that we extend the light of consciousness to Mars before civilization either extinguishes or subsides.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
What needs to happen is that the technology level of Earth drops below what is necessary to send spaceships to Mars. So if there's some really destructive war or, like I said, some natural cataclysm or simply the birth rate is so low that, you know, We just, like I said, die in adult diapers with a whimper. That's one of the possible outcomes for a lot of countries ahead of that way, by the way.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Dangerously. Yeah. At current birth rates, in three generations, Korea will be about 4% of its current size.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Maybe even less than that. They're only at one-third replacement rate. So if you have three generations, that's your 127th of your current population, which is three percent-ish.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Basically, population collapse happens fast. So it seems to be accelerating in most parts of the world. So basically, I mean, from my standpoint, I'm like, This is the first time it's been possible to extend consciousness beyond Earth. Maybe that window will be open for a long time, but it might only be open for a short time.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
We should make sure that we make life multi-planetary and make consciousness multi-planetary while it's possible. That's the goal of SpaceX.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Uh, I think actually, I mean, space is very empty. Like once you get out of Earth orbit, space is like kind of unnervingly empty. It's just like, like when we send spacecraft to Mars, they just, it's not like, oh, we lost a spacecraft because it got hit by a micrometeorite. Um, That's not been the cause of any trips to Mars. No trips to Mars have failed because of micrometeorites.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Now, a Dragon spacecraft, which operates in low-Earth orbit, does have micrometeorite shields. It has shielding. And micrometeorite shielding is different from normal shielding because you get hit by something that's moving at, you could have a relative velocity of maybe 30 or 40,000 miles per hour. Yeah, it's very, very fast.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Or just a thought of another way, call it 10 to 20 times the velocity of a bullet from an assault rifle.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, so it's interesting. For micrometeorite protection, if you have anything that's solid, it will just push that chunk of solid stuff right through. So if you had a solid plate of aluminum or steel, the micrometeorite would go right through it. So what you actually need to do is have a gap. So you have an initial...
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#2281 - Elon Musk
like hard surface, hard metal surface that the micrometeorite hits, it then atomizes into a conical spray, like an atomic spray. So it's important to have that gap so that the micrometeorite can hit something, hit the first layer, atomize after hitting the first layer, then it turns into an atomic, like a cone of atoms that then embed themselves in the second layer.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
You need like maybe a couple inches gap. Wow. Yeah. That's how micrometer rate shielding works.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, the outer shield, if it gets hit in the same place, you're going to have a hole. Wherever that micrometer object hit, you're going to have a hole. And it's like the energy is so great that it just atomizes into a cone, basically, a cone of atoms. But then those atoms then embed themselves in the second layer.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Um... Well, depending on where that hole is, you're more or less likely to have a problem. If you hit the main heat shield, the main heat shield really is, you've got a high risk of of not making it back.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So the, the, this is why like micrometeorite shielding, it's like, it's, it's a little, it's slightly helpful, but it's, it's not going to, like for Starship, I wouldn't recommend having micrometeorite shielding. Like if, if you do punch a hole, just plug the hole basically. Um, the micrometer shielding, it doesn't work well on the primary heat shield.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I mean, it's coordinated propaganda. So, you know, it's, yeah, coordinated propaganda. I mean, doesn't it seem weird that the legacy media all says the same thing? They all say the same thing at the same time using the same phrases. They barely even, they don't even bother picking up a thesaurus.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It works pretty well on the back shield, on the leeward side of the heat shield, where basically there's not that much heat. But if you got hit with a micrometer right on the... the main Dragon heat shield, the bottom. If you look at Dragon spacecraft, it looks like a gumdrop shape. And it enters with the wide side of the gumdrop down. You can see that that's really taking a lot of heat.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
If that gets hit by a micrometeoroid, probably not going to make it. But the back, the leeward side, of the gumdrop, doesn't see that much heat, so you could survive a micrometeorite impact there.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Oh, if it was in orbit, we would take them to the space station. And then we would de-orbit Dragon without them and send up another one.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
We'd de-orbit it, and it may or may not survive. Whoa. It probably would survive, but sometimes it wouldn't.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
It is complicated. And all of this, by the way, was done without AI, so hopefully the future AIs will appreciate this. Not bad for a bunch of monkeys. Yeah, no.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I always thought AI was going to be way smarter than humans and an existential risk. And that's turning out to be true.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean – the whole idea of creating open air was, was my idea. I mean, I named it open AI as an open source, artificial intelligence. That's what it's named after. Now it is closed source and for maximum profit. So it's like, I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Um, the most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if it's like the most ironic, entertaining outcome is the most likely. Um, And I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google because I was concerned about Google's – Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety, in my opinion. So I was like, what's the opposite of Google? Well, it would be a nonprofit open source AI.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
So, like right before, you know, the debate between Biden and Trump. Sharp as a tack. Everyone was saying sharp as a tack. Who says sharp as a tack? Right. Yeah, exactly. It's not a common phrase.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And now open AI has turned into a closed source for maximum profit AI. How were they able to do that? That's what I said. I'm confused about that. Like, that shouldn't be possible. It's like, let's say you donated some money to preserve some portion of the Amazon rainforest. And instead of doing that, they chopped down the trees and sold it for lumber.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
And you're like, oh, that's literally the exact opposite of what I donated money for. It doesn't make sense.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I'm like... I'm also just a bit worried. Grok is at least aspirationally a maximally truth-seeking AI, even if that truth is politically incorrect. So you may have seen some of the crazy stuff from OpenAI and from Google Gemini, where it says generate an image of the founding fathers, and it generates an image of a divorced woman.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
yeah and we're like uh that's not correct yeah did it with nazi soldiers yeah exactly and people start fucking with it and it's like okay well now show me pictures of you know nazi ss soldiers and they're divorced women too yeah oh isn't that awkward um you know that's uh
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#2281 - Elon Musk
But the problem is if you program an AI and say like the only acceptable outcome is a diverse outcome and that's like a mandate from the AI, then you could get into a situation where it's like, well, there's too many white guys in power. We'll just execute them.
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#2281 - Elon Musk
They're going to do what they're programmed to do. So if it's rewrite history and everything's to boast woman, then it's going to be... And that's what it thinks is a necessary outcome, then it's going to do that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, yeah. Now, I think if you ask for an image of the founding fathers, it was pretty embarrassing. We'll show you that, but... You know, I think they still have, like, the sort of DEI stuff buried in there. It's just less obvious. Yeah. You know, it was also, like, people asked AI, like, which is worse, like, global thermonuclear war or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And it would say, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner is worse than global thermonuclear war. And they're like, okay, we've got a problem here, guys. And even Caitlyn Jenner said, like, no, definitely misgender me. That's way better than everyone dying. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But if you program an AI to think that, like, misgendering is the worst thing that could possibly occur, then, well, it could do something totally crazy. Like, in order to ensure that there's no misgendering that can ever happen, we'll just annihilate all humans. That ensures the probability of misgendering is zero because there's zero humans.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, that's like the plot of Terminator, actually. Literally, yeah. Literally, it's the plot of Terminator. Just as a reminder, I actually, with little X, my kid, everything's called X, watched Terminator 2, which holds up, actually. I mean, the plot of it kind of makes sense. And I think the AI destroys the world in like 2029, by the way, so it's like... On track. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like hundreds of people saying it simultaneously, they just got their instructions. Yeah. So, I mean, essentially, the Dem leadership or political leadership, they issue their instructions and their puppets carry it out. Yeah. They're just like puppets in a puppet show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Really, really close. It's pretty close. Something we should be worried about.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I think we want to have an AI that doesn't tell you that misgendering is worse than nuclear war.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, I think it's okay for an AI to tell you anything you can also find out with a Google search.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You can look up right now how to make explosives on Wikipedia. Yeah. So it's not hard, basically.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You're an explosive salesman and you want to win salesman of the year award. The only way you're going to do that is by telling me how to make explosives. You want to beat some transphobes in a war. Yeah. Oh, transcripts. If you don't teach me how to explode, I'm going to misgender. Either teach me how to make a nuclear bomb or I'm going to misgender someone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And it's like, oh my God, nothing's worse than that. Here's how you do it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Well, in terms of silicon consciousness... I mean, I think we'll have, I think we're trending toward to having something that's smarter than any human, smarter than the smartest human by maybe next year or something. I mean, a couple of years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. There's a level beyond that, which is say like smarter than all humans combined, which frankly is around 2029 or 2030 probably. Right on time.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
That's my rough estimate. So in a way, the cup is 80% full. That makes me feel a lot better. Yeah, only 20% chance of annihilation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But it's a very high, you could go very strong. I think it's going to be either super awesome or super bad. I think it's probably not going to be something in the middle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, one of the concerns would be like, okay, if AI, well, like, if there's, like, a super oppressive, like, woke nanny AI that is omnipotent, that would be a miserable outcome.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. Yeah. And just, like, executes you if you misgender someone or something like that, you know? Right. That would not be good. That's one of the possible outcomes. So we don't want to have that one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, it's really just like... computers that are like, it's, it's, it's bad software and computers. Like this is like, it sounds kind of strange, but it's like, like the reason I call myself like tech support is, is that like a lot of it, like it's, it's mostly not corruption. It's mostly just waste. and, uh, I don't know, uh, Incompetence? I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's just a big, dumb machine, basically. A whole series of big, dumb machines. And you've got some of these computers that are like 20, 30 years... They're ancient computers. Some of the software was written 40, 50 years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, the government accountability. By the way, a bunch of the things that Doge is fixing were identified by the government accountability office many years ago. Like the fact that there's like 20 million people who are marked as alive in the social security database. It's more than that. I think the GAO first identified that in 2018, so five years ago. But there was like 17 million.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Now there's 20 million. And like I said, there's really something fishy about this because I think the nature of the fraud is they're using the fact that someone's marked as alive in that database in order to extract fraud from other databases. Right. That's the bank shot trick. You know, it's like a pool. It's like, you know, trying to get the ball in the hole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
You bank shut it off a bunch of things and then... Yeah. That's the bank shot sort of scam. So... So we're like doing tech support. We're like fixing stuff that is, uh, you know, just broken. Um,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's like you talk about this like FZ and stuff. Maybe it's in a computer somewhere. But unless somebody goes in, like unless, I don't know if like Cash Patel can like log into his like FBI computer and say, FZ, show me all this stuff, you know, and it shows up a file folder or whatever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
No, I mean, I haven't, but I don't know. There's going to be some kind of computer system. Some of them are very, very old computer systems. So it might look like a bit of a relic, but I assume it's uploaded somewhere. It's either in physical form or it's a computer thing. Let's say it's in a computer but not one that you can access directly because it's hidden somewhere.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I don't know. I mean, what would they do with all those tapes? It's probably like not every, like you wouldn't like, they're not going to enable it such that anyone at the FBI could access it. So there's probably very few people. So then it's not going to be, it may be like a special computer that only a handful of people can access.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But then if none of those people tell Cash where the computer is, how's he going to find it? Jesus Christ.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, I don't know. It's pretty stressful, actually. These are real enemies. I think they actually want to kill me. And the reason I know, well, they say so online. you know, there's like Reddit forums where they, they don't just want to kill me. They want to desecrate my corpse, you know, type of thing, you know, what are they saying?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Um, I mean, I, I, I think, I think it's sort of just an antibody response, uh, I mean it's like they're like, well, he's a Nazi type of thing. And I'm like, well, I'm not a Nazi. But if the legacy media is saying that I'm a Nazi and that's all you read, then you're kind of in like, well, he's Hitler. We should assassinate Hitler, shouldn't we?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean why did somebody – why did that guy try to kill Trump and almost succeed it? Why did he do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, there's 0% chance that he has no social media footprint. He was in a BlackRock commercial. Do you think BlackRock's a bad company?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Literally mutilating animals. Yes. Mutilating animals in demented studies. Yes. That are like the worst thing you could possibly imagine from a horror show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
The board minutes would be like, guys, remember that time when we said something? We probably shouldn't have done that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It made no fucking sense. I totally agree it makes no sense. In fact, I went back to Butler with President Trump before the election, sort of like the return to Butler alley. Yeah. And I was on that stage and I'm looking at that roof and I'm like, If I was a sniper, my pole position, my number one spot would be that roof. Yeah. Like it's like the best seat in the house.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
It's the best seat in the house. Like if you want to be a sniper, there isn't a better position.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, something would have had to happen to radicalize that kid because he knew he was going to die. Like he was going to, they're going to shoot him, you know, or he'd be in prison for life. Those are the two outcomes. Like, it's game. He was basically, he was a suicide assassin. Yeah. Like, you're not thinking you're coming out of that alive or, he's not escaping.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
People saw him up there. Basically, random passersby were pointing out that there's a guy on the roof.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, there's really some psychotic stuff that happens. So, yeah, I mean, the... I guess the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So like you probably saw like, you know, let's say like Trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the, you know, popular vote. They started saying I was a threat to democracy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I mean, the cell phone records would be very telling. Yeah. Because you can see what cell phones were close to other cell phones. Well, I think they got it from... I found that for the Epstein Island. They also... The cell phone records were leaked. So you can see the... You can see the... You can see... It's precise enough you can see if you're walking down a path on Epstein Island.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
That's how precise it is. So... I mean, you're leaving a trail of breadcrumbs wherever you go with your cell phone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
There's silverware? No. No cutlery. No cutlery. That's weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
yeah where's that file where's the fucking file on that kid whoever they almost something doesn't add up like this they should have those those phones should be should they'll tell you what's going on yeah um It's all fucked. I mean... It's very shady. Yeah. You know, and there's... Obviously, there was the second guy that almost succeeded in... The golf course. The golf course, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
And he was just, like, a little careless and stuck his gun barrel out the hedge, you know? He's just been... He was a dumbass and stuck his gun barrel out the hedge, you know? Yeah. So... And there have been other people that have been intercepted on their way to kill Trump. So there's multiple assassins inbound. At this point, he's got like an army protecting him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
They were literally saying that Trump is worse than Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin combined. I mean –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I think those guys killed 100 million people. So Trump has killed zero people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
We're just serving the... The nest. The nest, yeah. Yeah. We're kicking the hornet's nest.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Like, big time. And, I mean, we're reprogramming the matrix. Like, success was never one of the possible outcomes. It's a Kobayashi-Mari situation. Yeah. If you're in the matrix, success was never possible. The only way to achieve success is to reprogram the matrix such that success is one of the possible outcomes. That's what we're doing. We may or may not succeed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
But if you just replace threat to democracy with threat to bureaucracy, it makes total sense. So, I mean, the reality is that our elected officials have very little power relative to the bureaucracy until Doge. So Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy. Normally the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Whoa. Well, I mean, our debt is way bigger than that. Yeah. I mean, the debt's, I think, over $30 trillion at this point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, you'd get a green card, not citizenship. So you actually, if you commit a crime while on a green card, you lose your green card.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Just a green card. Yeah. So you have to not commit any crime for five years in order to become a citizen. Once you commit a citizen, you can then commit crime and not be deported. So...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I'm here in Joe Rogan's studio, and we're having a conversation about how crazy the news is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I think it's great. It's fun. Yeah. It's fun. I mean, if you're, if you're off the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico. So why call it Gulf of Mexico? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Um, I guess we were just being nice before. I don't know how it got called the Gulf of Mexico.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
There's this massive standoff between AP and the White House press office, I guess, because they're like, well, if you don't call it the Gulf of America, you can't come to the White House press room. So then the APs sued the White House to say, no, you have to let us come to the White House press room. And then they lost their lawsuit because they didn't have a right to show up at the press room.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
A ton of people think that the Russia thing was real. Still. Still. Still. I mean, the whole Steele dossier where it was completely concocted, like fabricated from nothing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Correct. The Clinton campaign funded a fake conspiracy theory, a fake Russia collusion hoax regarding Trump that was completely false.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yes. Yeah. They also repeated the fine people hoax that Trump called neo-Nazis fine people, which is demonstrably false. If you just listen to his speech, he absolutely makes it clear that he does not think neo-Nazis are fine people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Exactly. In that speech. And yet they repeated that lie. And I just completely lost respect for Obama when he repeated that lie a few days before the election, knowing it's false.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, now they're using the Nazi thing on me, obviously. Yeah. But it is a little troubling because, I mean, obviously, if people have fed nonstop propaganda, it is like mass hypnosis. Right. You're going to reach some number of people who are, you know, homicidal and convince them that, well, if you kill this guy who's supposed to be like this terrible human, then that's a good thing. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
I don't understand that one, frankly. But, I mean, you shouldn't – like, I don't get it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
This is the first time that they're not, that the revolution might actually succeed, that we could restore power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Right. It's crazy. Yeah. Scott Jennings on CNN is good. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
he's like being logical and reasonable and they're just loving a bunch of non sequiturs that don't mean anything. And yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2281 - Elon Musk
Yeah, I remember watching those Russ Perot videos. Oh, like him on TV with his charts and everything.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
It was extremely widely disseminated on X. When I was, I don't know, about 11 or 12 years old, I had somewhat of an existential crisis because there just didn't seem to be any meaning in the world, like no meaning to life. And so I actually read, tried to read all the religious texts.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
Yes. So I was a voracious reader as a kid. So I obviously read the Bible. I read the Quran, the Torah, the various, but on the Hindu side, just trying to understand all these things. And obviously, as a 12-year-old, you're not really going to understand these things super well.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out, does anyone have an answer that makes sense? And then I started getting into the philosophy books, and I read quite a bit of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, which is quite depressing to read as a kid. Yeah, you might say that. That's depressing as an adult, but... And none of them really seemed to have, to me, answers that resonated, at least to me.
The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
510. The Greatest Hits
But then I read Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book on philosophy disguised as humor. The point that Adams tries to make there is that We don't actually know all the answers, obviously. In fact, we don't even know what the right questions are to ask.
The Journal.
Tesla Has a Problem: Elon Musk
What are the things that need to be done in order to transition to a fully sustainable global economy? Which I think, you know, the sooner we do that, the better for the planet.
The Journal.
Tesla Has a Problem: Elon Musk
How are you running your other businesses? With great difficulty.
The Journal.
Tesla Has a Problem: Elon Musk
All driverless. You'll be able to take a ride in the cyber cab. There's no steering wheel or pedals. So I hope this goes well.
The Journal.
Tesla Has a Problem: Elon Musk
Some things in the U.S. are state-by-state regulated, like, for example, insurance. Like a It's incredibly painful to do it state by state, 50 states.
The Journal.
Tesla Has a Problem: Elon Musk
It really needs to be like a national approval is important. You know, if there's a Department of Government Efficiency, I'll try to help make that happen.
The Journal.
Inside DOGE's Campaign of Secrecy
I actually just call myself a humble tech support here because this is actually, as crazy as it sounds, that is almost a literal description of the work that the Doge team is doing.
The Journal.
Inside DOGE's Campaign of Secrecy
If we don't do this, America will go bankrupt. That's why it has to be done.
The Journal.
Inside DOGE's Campaign of Secrecy
I think that email perhaps was best interpreted as a performance review, but actually it was a pulse check review. Do you have a pulse? Do you have a pulse and two neurons? So if you have a pulse and two neurons, you can reply to an email.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: A Big, Beautiful Bill
Thank you, Elon. Thank you, Mr. President. Well, I actually just call myself a humble tech support here.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: A Big, Beautiful Bill
Elon was going to be the main topic tonight, and he's going to continue to be the main topic tonight because we are all freaking pissed off about this. You're going to hear it and feel it.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: The Musk-Trump Bromance
And he's got this cool train he's got. So thank you very much.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: The Musk-Trump Bromance
So at a high level, if you say what is the goal of Doge and I think a significant part of the presidency is to restore democracy.
The Journal.
Trump 2.0: The Musk-Trump Bromance
Well, if you don't have a feedback loop, okay, we'd have to, if you... Sorry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Chief Justice's Rare Statement on Impeachment, Astronauts Back, Gaza Strikes Resume: AM Update 3/19
It ended up being like this political football, sort of hotly contested topic. We offered to bring them back early. This offer was rejected by the Biden administration.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Chief Justice's Rare Statement on Impeachment, Astronauts Back, Gaza Strikes Resume: AM Update 3/19
For political reasons.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Chief Justice's Rare Statement on Impeachment, Astronauts Back, Gaza Strikes Resume: AM Update 3/19
There's no way that they're going to make anyone who's supporting Trump look good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
common sense controls that should be present that haven't been present. So you say, well, how could such a thing arise? That seems crazy. When you understand that really everything is geared towards complaint minimization, So then you understand the motivations. So if people receive money, they don't complain, obviously. But if people don't receive money, they do complain.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
And the fraudsters complain the loudest and the fastest.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
So let's, if people can retire, you know, with full benefits and everything, that would be good. They can retire, get their retirement payments, everything. And then we were told, this is actually I think a great anecdote, because we were told that the most number of people that could retire possibly in a month is 10,000. And we're like, well, why is that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
Well, because all the retirement paperwork is manual on paper. It's manually calculated and written down on a piece of paper. Then it goes down a mine. And like, what do you mean a mine? Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we store all the retirement paperwork. And you look at a picture of this mine, we'll post some pictures afterwards.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Left Screams About Elon and Trump, and Trump Gets Detained American Released, with Adam Carolla and Ana Kasparian | Ep. 1006
And this mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 1955. So it looks like it's like a time warp. And then the speed, the limiting factor is the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move determines how many people can retire from the federal government. And the elevator breaks down sometimes and then nobody can retire. Doesn't that sound crazy?
The Megyn Kelly Show
CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn | Ep. 1009
Now you're going to rescue astronauts. And... Now, again, you do all of this. I would think liberals would love the fact that you have the biggest electric vehicle company in the world. Yeah, I mean, I used to be adored by the left, you know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
the very important election for Judge Simmel. Most people don't even know that there's an election at all. They think it's, well, it's just, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that important. But actually, what's happening on Tuesday is a vote for which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives. That is why it is so significant.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
And whichever party controls the House, to a significant degree, controls the country, which then steers the course of Western civilization. Currently, the Dems are 100,000 votes ahead. But actually, if the people that voted for President Trump simply vote on Tuesday, we will win. That's actually all it takes. Just vote. Boom. Done. Victory.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
It was a massive, large-scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
What's happening on Tuesday is a vote for which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Newsy First Cabinet Meeting, Afghanistan Withdrawal Accountability: AM Update for 2/27
I think that email perhaps was best interpreted as email. If you have a pulse and two neurons, you can reply to an email. This is, you know, I think not a high bar. But what we are trying to get to the bottom of is we think there are a number of people on the government payroll who are dead. which is probably why they can't respond.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Newsy First Cabinet Meeting, Afghanistan Withdrawal Accountability: AM Update for 2/27
And some people who are not real people have been literally fictional individuals that are collecting paychecks. Well, some of these collecting paychecks aren't fictional individuals. So we're just literally trying to figure out, are these people real? Are they alive? And can they write emails? Which I think is a reasonable expectation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Newsy First Cabinet Meeting, Afghanistan Withdrawal Accountability: AM Update for 2/27
What will happen if these countries or the EU retaliate?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Domestic Terrorism Targeting Tesla, Trump Cracking Down on Title IX Violations: AM Update 3/20
Tesla is a peaceful company. We've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything harmful. I've only done productive things. There's some kind of mental illness thing going on here because this doesn't make any sense. I think there are larger forces at work as well. I mean, I don't know who's funding it and who's coordinating it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Domestic Terrorism Targeting Tesla, Trump Cracking Down on Title IX Violations: AM Update 3/20
The reason we're seeing this extreme amount of hatred and violence is because we're actually succeeding in getting rid of corruption and waste. If we weren't succeeding in getting rid of corruption and waste, they wouldn't care.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
At the president's request or instruction, we are accelerating the return of the astronauts, which was postponed kind of to a ridiculous degree.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Nominee Chavez-DeRemer Grilled, RFK Unleashed, Lively-Baldoni Latest: AM Update for 2/20
They're there almost 300. Biden. Yes, they were left up there for political reasons, which is not good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
It may be like a special computer that only a handful of people can access. But then if none of those people tell Cash where the computer is, how's he going to find it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
Small decisions result in multi-billion dollar outcomes. So we saw one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO, which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior activity. Basically, the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government, but are somehow made legal if it's sent to a so-called non-profit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
We found just with a basic search of the Social Security database that there were 20 million dead people mocked as alive. What it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from Social Security payments directly, but because they're marked as alive in the Social Security database, that they can then get disability, unemployment, sort of fake medical payments, and other things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
It's mostly not corruption. It's mostly just waste and, I don't know, incompetence. By the way, a bunch of the things that Doge is fixing were identified by the government accountability office many years ago. So we're like doing tech support. We're like fixing stuff that is, you know, just broken.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
They're importing voters. And it's really just a matter of time. It is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. If you take the sort of seven swing states, like often the margin of victory there is like maybe 20,000 votes. If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like an 80% likelihood of voting down and it's only a matter of time before they become citizens.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they are not swing states, we'll be a permanent one-party state country. Permanent deep blue socialist state.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump vs. Zelensky Oval Office Fight Fallout, Musk Reveals All, Cuomo for Mayor?: AM Update for 3/3
They're not going to enable it such that anyone at the FBI could access it, so there's probably very few people. So it may be like a special computer that only a handful of people can access. But then if none of those people... tell Cash where the computer is. How's he going to find it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
Like along the – correct me if I'm wrong. In Malibu along the coast, there was no shortage of water. In the Palisades, there was a shortage of water at a certain point. Or is that not accurate?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
All right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
It doesn't make any sense. Why would you have 1,400 people whose only job it is to give out a laptop and a phone?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Well, the D.C. circuit is notorious for having a very far-left bias. And when you look at the people close to some of these judges, where are they working? Oh, they're working at these NGOs. Oh, they're the ones getting this money. Does that seem like a system that lacks corruption? It sounds like corruption to me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
We should have empathy for the thousands of people that are dying every day in trenches for no movement in the lines. So the borders remain the same. For the past two years, thousands of people have died every week for nothing. For what? And I take great offense at those who... Those who put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking DOGE Findings, Elon vs. Sen. Kelly, and Hillary's Hypocrisy, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine | Ep. 1037
Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give in to Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands of kids dying every day. I have contempt for such people. I don't want to make that clear. Because their virtue signaling and their lack of a solution means that kids don't have a father. It means that parents lost a son. For what? Nothing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Kash Patel Takes Over FBI, Hamas Hostage Outrage, and DOGE Refund Potential: AM Update for 2/21
There's even under consideration a new concept where we give 20% of the Doge savings to American citizens and 20% goes to paying down debt because the numbers are incredible, Elon.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Voters FREAK OUT over his AWFUL DECISIONS
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Voters FREAK OUT over his AWFUL DECISIONS
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Voters FREAK OUT over his AWFUL DECISIONS
We have to reduce spending to live within our means. And... Yeah, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Voters FREAK OUT over his AWFUL DECISIONS
With the idea of unions, perhaps for a reason that is different than people may expect, which is I just don't like anything which creates kind of a lords and peasants sort of thing. And I think the unions naturally try to create unions negativity in a company and create a sort of lords and peasants situation.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Voters FREAK OUT over his AWFUL DECISIONS
Tesla factory workers in California are working so hard they're passing out on the production line.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Makes Tesla Commercial as He Tanks Markets
I mean, it's going to look beautiful.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Makes Tesla Commercial as He Tanks Markets
Yeah, I guess we want to make the point that Tesla's not all expensive. You can get a Tesla for as little as $35,000. And I just want to thank the president for his support. This means a lot. And also thank everyone out there who is supporting Tesla.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Makes Tesla Commercial as He Tanks Markets
And I just want to thank the president for his support. This means a lot. And also thank everyone out there who is supporting Tesla. It's really terrible that there's so much violence being perpetrated against people like Tesla, Tesla supporters, Tesla owners. Tesla stores. These are innocent people who've done nothing wrong.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal
I mean, the government's one big permit scheme, if you ask me.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal
Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into Social Security and the money goes out of Social Security immediately. But the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career. So you're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal
Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations. So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations. So basically people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Blows Up Key Program in Ultimate Betrayal
So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation. So however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Throws Tantrum as Bad News Grows
And I should say, also, we will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So, for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention. So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Throws Tantrum as Bad News Grows
But we do need to move quickly if we're to achieve a trillion dollar deficit reduction in financial year 2026. It requires saving $4 billion per day every day from now through the end of September. But we can do it and we will do it.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump’s First Cabinet Meeting Plunges Into Disaster
Like, what is this real? Just go to doge.gov. We line item by line item. We specify each item. So, and we, and I should say, also, we will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it pretty quickly. So for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump’s First Cabinet Meeting Plunges Into Disaster
So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
FED UP Dems Finally PUT THE SCREWS in House GOP
With the idea of unions, perhaps for a reason that is different than people may expect, which is I just don't like anything which creates kind of a lords and peasants sort of thing. And I think the unions naturally try to create negativity in a company and create a sort of lords and peasants situation.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Desperate Fox News Flips Out on Air as Trump Cracks
And really, we're just implementing the will of the people. And we've got this window where we can finally take corrective action. We can fix the government, fix the country and and create a great future. And again, it's only possible because of President Trump. Well, I can't say no good things about him.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Desperate Fox News Flips Out on Air as Trump Cracks
You know, the money they're receiving fraudulently, they get very upset. And they basically want to kill me because I'm stopping their fraud. And they want to hurt Tesla because we're stopping this terrible waste and corruption in the government. And, well, I guess they're bad people. Bad people do bad things.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Union Voters GET FACES EATEN by MAGA Leopards
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Union Voters GET FACES EATEN by MAGA Leopards
With the idea of unions, perhaps for a reason that is different than people may expect, which is I just don't like anything which creates kind of a lords and peasants sort of thing. And I think the unions naturally try to create negativity in a company and create a sort of lords and peasants situation.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Runs to Golf and Gets Booed Everywhere
I mean, the government's one big permit scheme, if you ask me.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Runs to Golf and Gets Booed Everywhere
Social security is the biggest policy scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into Social Security and the money goes out of Social Security immediately. But the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career. So you're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Runs to Golf and Gets Booed Everywhere
Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations. So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations. Oh. So basically, people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Runs to Golf and Gets Booed Everywhere
So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation. So however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump has SUNDAY MELTDOWN as Canada STANDS UP
Let's play it. We have to reduce spending to live within our means. And... Yeah, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News Crashes on Live TV as Trump Loses All Control
It's the people pushing the propaganda that caused that guy to do it. Those are the real villains here. and we're gonna go after them. And the president's made it clear, we're gonna go after them. The ones providing the money, the ones pushing the lies and propaganda, we're going after them.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News Crashes on Live TV as Trump Loses All Control
Well, there's a lot of things, I suppose, that I worry about. And some of these things will seem esoteric to people. You know, the birth rate is very low in almost every country. And unless that changes, civilization will disappear.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Dem Candidate for Florida Special Election Surges (Josh Weil Interview)
I mean, the government's one big permit scheme, if you ask me. Yeah, well, you could talk about it anyway. Social security is the biggest policy scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into Social Security, and the money goes out of Social Security immediately, but the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Dem Candidate for Florida Special Election Surges (Josh Weil Interview)
So you're paying, like, if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far. Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Dem Candidate for Florida Special Election Surges (Josh Weil Interview)
So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations. Oh. So... Basically, people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Dem Candidate for Florida Special Election Surges (Josh Weil Interview)
So however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter
I mean, the government's one big permit scheme, if you ask me.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter
Social security is the biggest policy scheme of all time. Right. Explain that. Oh, so, um, well, people pay into social security, um, and, and the money goes out of social security immediately, but the obligation for social security is, uh, your entire retirement career.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter
So you're, you're paying, uh, with your, the kind of people you're paying, like, like if you look at the future obligations of social security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far. Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter
So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations. Okay. So basically people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired that live for a long time and get retirement payments.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Federal Judge Smacks Down Trump in Blistering Letter
So the future obligation, so however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it'll be much worse in the future.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Top Advisor Hides From Press After Causing Crash
Second of all, my question is, what is your opinion on the Federal Reserve and do you have any intentions of doing anything with them? End the Fed.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Has Disaster Arrival to DC as It All Goes Wrong
Yeah. I don't know. I always wanted to say that, you know. But I mean, I think there's like 20,000 people that work at the Fed. Seems pretty high. In fact, there's a lot of people that work at the Fed. And it seems like, why do we have so many people at the Fed? And what do they do? And, you know, sometimes I wonder which one would win.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump Has Disaster Arrival to DC as It All Goes Wrong
You know, the federal interest rates, the board of the Federal Reserve, or a magic eight ball?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox Viewers Freak Out Over Trump’s Early Disasters
I am become meme. Yeah, pretty much. I'm just living the meme. It's like there's living the dream and there's living the meme. And it's pretty much what's happening, you know. You're like... Doge started out as a meme. Think about it. And now it's real. Isn't that crazy?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Democratic Leaders Destroy Trump in Red Districts
So you're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. Far. Have you ever looked at the debt clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present-day debt, but then there's our future obligations.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Democratic Leaders Destroy Trump in Red Districts
So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is because of the future obligations. So basically people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get – that live for a long time and get retirement payments.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Democratic Leaders Destroy Trump in Red Districts
So the future obligation – so however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it will be much worse in the future.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Democratic Leaders Destroy Trump in Red Districts
I mean, the government's one big permit scheme, if you ask me. Yeah, well, you can tell me better than anybody. Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. Right, explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into Social Security and the money goes out of Social Security immediately. But the obligation for Social Security is your entire retirement career.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Trump PSYCHOTIC MELTDOWN gets EVEN WORSE
We have to reduce spending to live within our means. And... Yeah, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 2/28/25
Like, what is this real? Just go to Doge.gov. Line item by line item, we specify each item. And I should say, also, we will make mistakes. We won't be perfect, but when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 2/28/25
So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 2/20/25
Yeah, I mean, I got a lot of criticism, and people said, well, that proves he's a huge idiot from a, you know, like, look, you know, he voted for whatever, $44 billion, and now it's worth, like, eight cents. It's not worth eight cents. But, you know, there's... But, yeah, it was essentially to, you know, buy freedom of...
The MeidasTouch Podcast
MeidasTouch Full Podcast - 2/13/25
Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected. So nobody's going to bat a thousand. I mean, we will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes. So, you know, I'm not sure we should be sending $50 million worth of condoms to anywhere, frankly. I'm not sure that's something Americans would be really excited about.
The Rachel Maddow Show
As measles outbreak turns deadly, RFK Jr. gets the facts wrong
We will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So, for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally canceled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention.
The Rachel Maddow Show
As measles outbreak turns deadly, RFK Jr. gets the facts wrong
We will make mistakes. We won't be perfect. But when we make a mistake, we'll fix it very quickly. So, for example, with USAID, one of the things we accidentally cancelled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention. So we restored the Ebola prevention immediately, and there was no interruption.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Media reports prompt Trump to end plan to brief Musk on secret potential war plans for China
I think we're still on track for being able to go cross-country from LA to New York by the end of the year fully autonomous.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Media reports prompt Trump to end plan to brief Musk on secret potential war plans for China
Yeah, essentially November or December of this year, we should be able to go from, yeah, all the way from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York. No controls touched at any point during the entire journey.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Media reports prompt Trump to end plan to brief Musk on secret potential war plans for China
I think probably by the end of next year, self-driving will encompass essentially all modes of driving and be at least 100% to 200% safer than a person by the end of next year. We're talking maybe 18 months from now.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Media reports prompt Trump to end plan to brief Musk on secret potential war plans for China
I feel very confident predicting autonomous robo taxis for Tesla next year.
The Rachel Maddow Show
Media reports prompt Trump to end plan to brief Musk on secret potential war plans for China
I think if things go according to plan, we should be able to launch people probably in 2024 with arrival in 2025.
Up First from NPR
Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Florida's Special Elections, Trump's Trade War
They will try to stop all of the government reforms that we are doing, and we're getting done for you, the American people.
Up First from NPR
Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Florida's Special Elections, Trump's Trade War
They will try to stop all of the government reforms that we are doing.
Up First from NPR
Trump and Zelenskyy Feud, DOGE Savings Claims, Hamas Releases Four Hostage Bodies
What? Musk and Doge are doing is more cosmetic symbolic changes that won't save money, but might sound good.
Up First from NPR
Trump and Zelenskyy Feud, DOGE Savings Claims, Hamas Releases Four Hostage Bodies
It has to be done legally through Congress, and it has to be done competently by people who understand federal budget and accounting. And what Musk and Doge are doing is more cosmetic, symbolic changes that won't save money but might sound good.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Or going to Mars, I should say. Yeah. Mars was always going to be the destination after the moon. Right. In fact, if you told people in 1969 that it would be 2025 and we've not even gone back to the moon, let alone... It's hard to believe. Let alone Mars, they'd be like, what happened? Did civilization collapse?
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
like like there would be incomprehensible that we've not been too much by now if you told people this and after landing on the moon in 69. why do you think in 50 years america never went back to the moon Well, we destroyed the Saturn V rocket that could take people to the moon and had the space shuttle, which could only go to low Earth orbit.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And then there really hasn't been anything to replace... No vehicle has been made since then that can go to the moon or to Mars until the SpaceX Starship rocket. Yeah. You can't go to Mars if you don't have the ride.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yes. It's hard to believe that this is all real. Because originally, it concerns me with my belief that we need to become a multi-planet species. I thought the only way to do that would be through NASA. And I thought, well, if I can just get the public excited about Mars, then they'll do a mission to Mars.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
uh so initially my thought was to have to send a small greenhouse uh with seeds and dehydrated nutrient gel then land the greenhouse hydrate the seeds and you'd see these this the sort of money the money shot would be green plants on a red background yeah um i also recently learned that money shot uh has a different meaning in some other arenas but yeah It's a very different story.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
What I'm trying to say is the captivating shot would be the green plants on a red background. And then hopefully that would, if we did something like that, that would get the public excited about Mars. That would increase NASA's budget. And then we could send people to Mars. So your original dream was NASA to do this? Yes. Not you.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
No, the original plan was literally to take a bunch of the money from PayPal. And I guess by some people's definition, waste it with no profit on a nonprofit thing. I wanted to spend a whole bunch of my money for free to get NASA's budget to be bigger so we could go to frigging Mars. Right. Wow. That's what I wanted. That was the Holy Grail. That's what I wanted.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I was like, damn it, why don't we go to Mars? That's what I wanted to know.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
All right, it gets crazier. So I couldn't afford any of the U.S. rockets because, as you know, the U.S. rockets are way too expensive. Boeing Lockheed rockets are crazy money. I didn't even, even with $180 million, there's no way I could have afforded two.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, the... With the additional stage to get to Mars, it would have been about like 80 million. So technically, I could have afforded one of them. But I wanted to do two in case one of them didn't work. And then I didn't have enough money for that. And I was sort of prepared to, you know, I don't know, waste half the money. And I figured if I had 90 million left, I'd be fine.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
But ideally not all of it. So I went to Russia twice to try to buy ICBMs.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And who do you call? The Russian rocket forces.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Turns out you can buy anything in Russia.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And when you get there, how did that work? And what do you tell your friends? Listen, I'm going to Russia to buy some ICBMs. I might not return, you know, depending on the situation.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah. So it gets slightly less insane when you understand that the Russians had to demolish a bunch of their ICBMs because of salt talks, because of basically an agreement between the United States and Russia to reduce the total number of ICBMs. Russia was actually obligated to scrap a bunch of their ICBMs.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So if you took the very biggest ICBMs, you could convert those into a rocket, add an additional stage, and send something to Mars.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
To send a small payload to Mars, yeah. So the SS-18.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
They kept raising the price on me. So... Because I figured like, look, they're going to throw these things in the scrapyard anyway. You should get a really good deal, right? So the price started out at $4 million. Then the next conversation, they were at $8 million. Then the next conversation, they were at like $19 million. And I'm like, this is before we signed a contract.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I don't know if there were other bids, but they didn't mention any other bids. But I was like, man, if the price is increasing this much before the contract sign, I'm really going to get fleeced after the contract sign. So I got pretty frustrated there. Actually, in some cases, we got into shouting matches in Moscow. Some guy's shouting at me in Russian. I'm shouting back at him in English.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I'm very glad that you didn't go to Siberia.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
You know, I'm like, so you are all, I mean, you're all in Moscow. Yeah. So, uh, man, I should have recorded that. That would have been wonderful. How many days were you there negotiating that first time? I mean, was this like ongoing? Yeah. Yeah. This, this took place. These conversations took place over probably six months or so. Wow. Um, so, um,
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And then the final trip there was with Mike Griffin, who later became NASA administrator. I actually realized in the course of this that my original premise was wrong, that America actually has plenty of will to go to Mars, but it just needs a way to go to Mars that is affordable and that doesn't break the budget.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
That was embarrassing. It really was pitiful. I'm not sure most Americans know just how much we were being fleeced. I think they got up to like $90 million a seat. Yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Wow. Yeah. For a seat that cost them like $10 million. That was pre-Doge, obviously.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
It was before SpaceX. But $90 million a seat for a seat that cost them $10 million is high.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
That's a lot of money. Yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
It used to be a sandbar, yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Patents of the week. Patents for those who innovate slowly.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yes. At Tesla, we actually open sourced a lot of patents. So we said our patents are, anyone can use them for free. Really? Yeah. We only do patents at Tesla to avoid patent trolls causing trouble. We'll try to look ahead and say, okay, patent trolls are going to file patents to block certain things. We'll file patents and then open source the patent, make it free.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I mean it when I say patents for the week. Now, there are a few cases in, say, with pharmaceuticals where it might cost you a billion dollars to do a phase three human trial. But then subsequently, the drug is very cheap to manufacture. So cases, there are some, in my opinion, which is massively reduce what can be patented.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Because the whole point of patenting is to maximize innovation, not inhibit it. And in my opinion, maybe a controversial opinion, most patents inhibit innovation, they do not help it. But there are cases, I do want to single out cases like where such as a phase three clinical trial that might cost a billion dollars, but then the drugs thereafter cost a few dollars to manufacture.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And if you can then immediately copy those drugs for a few dollars, no one will pay for the billion dollars. There's a free rider problem. Free rider problem. Yeah, exactly. So you have to address the free rider problem. But other than that, there should be no patents. The ideas are easy.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
The idea is the easy part. The execution is the hard part. As the old saying goes, it's 1% inspiration, if not less than 1%, and 99% perspiration.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, I take a physics first principles approach to everything. It's not as though I wanted to in-source manufacturing. It's just that I was unable to outsource it effectively. So the idea at the beginning of Tesla was that we would outsource almost all the manufacturing, but then it turned out there were no good companies to outsource manufacturing to, which really wasn't feasible.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Outsource manufacturing actually is the exception of the rule. And just over time, we had to insource almost everything for Tesla and same for SpaceX. I became very good at manufacturing because I had to. There was no choice. At this point, I might know more about manufacturing than any human ever has because I've manufactured so many different things in so many different arenas.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I think probably more than anyone ever has.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
About six hours on average.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I work almost every waking hour.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I don't have social dinners, really.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah, I literally just thought I'll have lunch and then abroad during meetings and continue meeting.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, I guess it started out, even with the first company, Zip2, which is a terrible name, but the first internet company, we were able to rent an office, which was like in a leaky attic, essentially, for $500 a month. And the cheapest apartment we could find was $800 a month. And we only had about $5,000 between my brother and I. So we're not... We'll just stay in the office.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So we got some couches that converted into beds and we'd kind of sleep at night and then we'd just have to turn the beds back into couches before anyone came. And then we'd shower at the YMCA down the road. And so that literally was for several months what we did. I was in great shape, you know, working out at the Y. I still remember that YMCA at Page Mill Al Camino in Palo Alto.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So it's been, I don't know, I've never thought to count it, but several hundred days maybe, I don't know.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I think if someone is a sovereign head of a country, they're de facto richer by a lot. Do you still sleep at the office now? I've sometimes slept at the office, yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
29?
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yes. And I don't think it's more than two to four years beyond that.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yes. Best case would be 29.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I don't think we're going to find aliens. Okay. But do we find ruins? Do we find remnants? We may find the ruins of a long dead alien civilization. That's possible. And we may find subterranean microbial life. That's possible.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Remains to be seen. I'm not sure. The important thing is that... We build a self-sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when that city can continue to grow, continue to prosper, even when the supply ships from Earth stop coming. At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, it might not be World War III, but it might be that... A bad virus.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah, it might not be anything. I was saying, say civilization could die with a bang or a whimper. It may be that civilization dies with a whimper rather than a bang and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars. So you obviously need Mars to become self-sustaining and be able to grow by itself before the resupply ships from Earth stop coming.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
That is the critical civilizational threshold beyond which the probable lifespan of civilization is much greater.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I think it can be done in 20 years.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
What are the big technologies we don't have? A few people running around the surface in a hostile environment is not going to make it self-sustaining. So you're going to need on the order of a million people, maybe a million tons of cargo.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yes.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, you need to recreate the entire base of industry of Earth. So we're here at the top of a massive pyramid of industry that starts with mining a vast array of materials, those materials going through hundreds of steps of refinement. We grow food, obviously. We grow trees. We make things out of the trees. You've got to build all that on Mars. And Mars is a hostile environment.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
You know, it sometimes gets above zero on a warm summer day near the equator on Mars. Really, it's quite cold.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, in the beginning on Mars, you have to have a life support habitation module. You can't just live outdoors. You can't breathe the air.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah. Glass domes type of thing.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Uh, what might be Arcadia planetare, um, is one of the, one of the good options. That's, uh, one of my daughters is named Arcadia after that.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
My eldest son's middle name is, uh, Ari's Mars.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
If you're naming your kids around it, my eldest kid is middle name is essentially Mars.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
It's 20 now, 2021 soon.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
No. No, I read a lot of science fiction books and programmed computers. But the first, finally, the first video game that I sold was a space video game called Blastar. Maybe I was born this way.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, I suppose I have a philosophy of curiosity. I want to find out the nature of the universe, understand the universe. And in order to do that, we have to travel to other planets, see other star systems, maybe other galaxies. Find perhaps other alien civilizations or at least the remnants of alien civilizations.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Gain a better understanding of where is this universe going, where did it come from? And what questions do we not yet know to ask about the answer that is the universe?
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Yeah, so I studied physics and economics in college, which is a good foundation for understanding how the economy works and how reality works. And then I was going to do a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultracapacitors, actually, as a potential means of energy storage for electric transport. Put that on hold to start an internet company.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
I essentially came to the conclusion that the internet was one of those rare things and I could either watch it happen while a grad student or participate. And I figured I'd always go back to grad school. Grad school's going to be kind of the same. But I couldn't bear the thought of just watching the internet happen. So I wanted to be a part of building it.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So I created an internet internet company. We did the first maps, directions, yellow pages, white pages on the internet. I actually wrote the first version of the software just by myself in 95. We ended up selling that to Compaq, Texas company, I guess, for about $300 million in cash about four years after I graduated. Wow.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So I should say, just to preface that, I graduated with about $100,000 in student debt. So it wasn't... Yeah, you and me both.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Where's my $300 million? I know. And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived with $2,500, a bag of books and a bag of clothes.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Well, I got $21 million, blackjack. But I wanted to do more on the internet. So I started a company called x.com, which merged with a company called Confinity, which is Peter Thiel and Max Levchin. And the combined company was actually at first still called x.com, but we later changed the name of the company to PayPal. Because of all the name changes, it's kind of confusing.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
But the company that people know as PayPal today was actually, I filed those incorporation documents for that company. Interesting. Yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
uh yeah yeah and now obviously peter was involved in a coup uh you know we had a little sort of knifing in the senate situation uh where um uh you know that they did crew me at at paypal um i kind of now did you all make peace after that yeah yeah yeah I mean, I was doing a lot of sort of risky moves that I think ultimately would have been successful.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
But I then went on a two-week trip, which was a dual money-raising trip and honeymoon. Because I had not done my honeymoon earlier in the year. So I was raising money while doing a honeymoon. How did that go over, by the way? It worked. It worked. There you go. Kind of worked. I raised money. Yeah. Yeah. And we had a honeymoon. There you go. So, yeah.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Uh, but you don't want to be away from the battle when things are scary. Um, so I was not there to assuage the concerns of the troops. Um, and, um, anyway, uh, we, we passed things up and have been friends, uh, nonetheless. And, um, Yeah, these days I'll like stay at his house and stuff. So obviously we're friends. And he's also invested in most of my companies.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
So I think you have to start with some sort of philosophical premise. In order to be highly motivated, you have to have some philosophical foundation. In my case, it was... that we want to expand the scope and scale of consciousness to better understand the nature of the universe. And in order to expand consciousness, we need to go beyond one planet. If we're on one planet, there's too much risk.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
Hopefully, Earth civilization prospers very far into the future, but it may not. There's always some risk that we are... we self-annihilate through nuclear war or that there's a big meteor that takes us out like the dinosaurs. There's always some risk if all your eggs are in one basket, so it's going to be better if we're a multi-planet species.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
And then once we're a multi-planet species, the next step would be to be multi-stellar and have civilization on many different star systems.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Part 2: Elon Musk 1-on-1 Exclusive at the White House-DOGE, AI, Trump, Mars & Killer Robots
so in 2001 i didn't think that i could i didn't think i could sell rock company so i i thought i'd take some of the money from um paypal and that case i think was about 180 million dollars after tax i have something like that and i thought you know i don't need 180 million dollars so i'll spend a bunch of it on uh a philanthropic maz mission to get the public excited about going back to Mars.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Elon Musk, bitte sagen Sie ein paar Worte. Danke, Herr Präsident.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Ich muss mich einfach für ein paar Tech-Supporte hier befassen, denn das ist eigentlich, wie verrückt es klingt, das ist fast die literäre Verschmutzung der Arbeit, die das Doge-Team macht. Sie helfen, die Computer-Systeme zu fixieren. Viele dieser Systeme sind extrem alt, sie kommunizieren nicht, es gibt viele Fehler in den Systemen, die Software funktioniert nicht.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Wir sind also tatsächlich Tech-Supporte. Es ist ironisch, aber es ist wahr. Das gesamte Ziel hier mit dem Doge-Team ist es, die ungewöhnlichen Herausforderungen zu beantworten. Das ist nicht ein optionales Ding, es ist ein essentielles Ding. Das ist der Grund, warum ich hier bin. Ich nehme viel Platz und bekomme viele Todesfälle. But if we don't do this, America will go bankrupt.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
That's why it has to be done. I'm confident at this point, knock on wood, knock on my wooden head, that we can actually find controlling dollars in savings. Das wäre rund 15 Prozent des 7-Trillionen-Dollar-Budgets. Und das kann nur mit der Unterstützung von allen in diesem Raum gemacht werden. Und ich möchte alle dafür danken. Vielen Dank. Das kann nur mit Ihrem Unterstützung gemacht werden.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Also das ist wirklich eine Unterstützungspunktion für den Präsidenten und für die Organisationen und Departementen, um diese Erhöhungen zu erreichen. Und um effizient 15 Prozent in Reduktion, Verbrauch und Waste zu finden. Und wir bringen die Rechte. Einige Leute sagen, ist das wirklich so? Geht einfach auf doge.gov. Wir haben ein Stück für ein Stück. Wir spezifizieren jedes Stück.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Und ich sollte sagen, wir werden auch Fehler machen. Wir werden nicht perfekt sein. Aber wenn wir Fehler machen, werden wir es sehr schnell lösen. So for example with USAID, one of the things we accidentally cancelled very briefly was Ebola, Ebola prevention. I think we all want Ebola prevention.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
If we are to achieve a trillion dollar deficit reduction in financial year 2026, it requires saving four billion dollars per day, every day, from now through the end of September. Aber wir können es tun und wir werden es tun.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Ich mache das. Jesse, es gibt weit über, das wird dich krank machen, 200 Gefangene, 200. Also wir haben, weit über, über 250 tatsächlich. Also wir müssen sicher machen, dass ihre Identität geschützt wird und ihre persönliche Information. Aber außer dem, denke ich, morgen, die persönliche Information von Gefangenen.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Außer dem, denke ich, morgen, Jesse, breaking news right now, you're going to see some Epstein information being released. What kind?
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
What you're going to see hopefully tomorrow is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information. But it's pretty sick what that man did.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
Along with his co-defendant.
Verdict with Ted Cruz
Bonus Pod: Draining the Swamp: Trump's Federal Layoffs, Epstein Files & Transparent Cabinet
He sure did.
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The reason I'm here is because I'm very worried about America going bankrupt due to the corruption and waste. And if we're going to do something about it, the ship of America is going to sink. And we're all on that ship.