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Chapter 1: What did Marco Rubio say about Senate Democrats?
Can I respond, Mr. Chairman?
You may.
I didn't ask a question. Senator, please let the Secretary have the floor.
I'd be happy to, but then I can respond to his response.
Your time's up, Senator, and woefully used, I might add. Your remarks do not represent the view of this committee.
By the way, what I love about Chris Van Hollen is Chris Van Hollen says something scummy like that. Rubio comes back at him. He's like, now he's playing the victim. And Rubio continued to own Van Hollen throughout, like over and over and over. So Van Hollen, of course, had traveled down to El Salvador to visit with the accused wife beater, Kilma Abrego Garcia, accused MS-13 member.
who was deported. Van Hollen went down and had drinks with the guy. And Marco Rubio was like, let's talk about Camargo Garcia, Senator.
In the case of El Salvador, absolutely. Absolutely. We deported gang members. Gang members, including the one you had a margarita with. And that guy is a human trafficker, and that guy is a gangbanger, and the evidence is going to be clear in the days to come.
Mr. Chairman. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Rubio has the floor. Mr. Chairman, he can't make unsubstantiated comments like that. Secretary Rubio has the floor. You've had your time. Secretary Rubio should take that testimony to the federal court of the United States because he hasn't done it under oath.
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Chapter 2: How does Marco Rubio view immigration policy?
You're not going to like all the changes, but I want you to know what the intent of the changes are. It is not to dismantle American foreign policy, and it is not to withdraw us from the world. Because I just hit 18 countries in 18 weeks. That doesn't sound like much of a withdrawal. And I see some of these foreign ministers, including individuals from Ukraine,
more than I've seen my own children. And I talk to them at least three times a week. We are engaged in the world, but we're going to be engaged in a world that makes sense and that's smart. And that isn't about saving money. It is about ensuring that we are delivering to our people what they deserve, a foreign policy that makes America stronger, safer, and more prosperous.
Now, again, as an aspect of this, Rubio was asked about aid to Ukraine because there have been some mixed signals coming out from the administration about what happens next if Vladimir Putin does not come to the table. Jeanne Shaheen, who's the senator from New Hampshire, she asked him about arms shipments to Ukraine. And here was Secretary of State Rubio's response.
The leverage that we've given up is taking NATO membership off the table, taking away a commitment to continue to help the Ukrainians with intelligence sharing and with military equipment and arms that they need to help fight this war.
That continues. There was a pause for one week. All of that was restarted.
That was intelligence sharing, though, but it doesn't cover the equipment and arms.
Oh, absolutely. That program has not been rescinded. They continue to receive armaments from the United States.
OK, so again, that should be the perspective of the administration. I think it remains an open question as to which direction the administration takes. Again, that's because President Trump's policies are quite ad hoc.
Now, I understand that when it comes to President Trump's foreign policy, the sort of madman theory of politics has been posited by President Trump and members of his administration. The idea that unpredictability is an asset when it comes to foreign negotiations, for example. And there is certainly truth to that. There's certainly truth to that.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Golden Dome missile defense system?
I think we have unbelievable unity. I think we're going to get everything we want. And I think we're going to have a great victory. And this man has done a great job.
And I think this was a tremendous session. Again, President Trump's hammer is the thing that is going to get this thing across the finish line. No question. President Trump did, by the way, unleash his hammer against certain members of Congress, including Thomas Massey. Of course, the Republican congressman from Kentucky, Thomas Massey, his basic goal is to vote against pretty much everything.
I agree with many of his principles when it comes to lowering government spending. It also happens to be the case that voting no on everything isn't actually an electoral strategy. Here's President Trump smashing Massey yesterday.
No, I don't think Thomas Massey understands government. I think he's a grandstander, frankly. He'll probably vote. We don't even talk to him much. I think he should be voted out of office. And I just don't think he understands government. If you ask him a couple of questions, he never gives you an answer. He just says, I'm a no. He thinks he's going to get publicity.
Again, he is a representative, Massey, of a tax cutting, but also spending cutting wing. And I agree with him on principle. But the problem is you do have to get a majority here. Here is Massey talking about the debt increases. Here's the reality. Massey is right on the issue. There is not the support in the United States for a massive cut to the national deficit or debt. That's just the reality.
Both parties are complicit in this. The only question between the parties when it comes to tax cutting and deficits is which party wants higher taxes and which party wants lower taxes. Both parties seem perfectly willing to run this car directly off a cliff. Here is where Massey is right.
I've got a lot of people in the MAGA base who realize that we could have done this differently. We could extend the tax cuts and paid for them, but instead we're not. I mean, over here, the people in favor of this bill say that under the policies of this bill, we're going to add $20 trillion to debt over the next 10 years, which is $3.5 to $5 trillion more than would have been added to the last.
OK, so again, he's not wrong on principle, but in terms of actually getting a bill across the finish line, Thomas Massey will never allow a bill to get across the finish line if he has anything to say about it, which is why President Trump has been going after him. Similarly, President Trump has been basically telling the sort of left wing Republicans they also need to sit down and shut up.
He says, listen, we're not trying to destroy Medicare and Medicaid. This is a pretty moderate bill in terms of spending at best. Here's President Trump on Medicare and Medicaid yesterday.
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Chapter 4: What are the challenges facing the Big Beautiful Bill?
So it's about bringing the prices down. It's about getting our economy off high center. If you grow the economy, Ben, by one percentage point over the next 10 years, over the budget window, we will reduce the deficit by $3 trillion. So
It's important, again, that we get our economy growing, create those conditions, unleash prosperity, build on that, and also build the political will and the support from the American people to understand that all these entitlements that are on auto spend that represent 90% of the increase in spending over the next 10 years that will drive us from World War II levels of debt to
$125 trillion on top of that, which is unsustainable, it's the biggest threat to the economy, to our security, to our global leadership, our children's future in the world. But we've got to sell that. We have to have the American people, as Abraham Lincoln said, if you have the public sentiment, you can do anything. If you don't, you can't do anything. And so we've got some work to do there.
But again, we're starting to turn the battleship. This is a responsible bill. I'm very proud of it.
Chapter 5: How does President Trump plan to unify Congress for the Big Beautiful Bill?
Well, that's Congressman Jody Arrington. Really appreciate your time, sir. And good luck on the bill. Thank you, Ben. It's an honor to be with you. Alrighty, folks. Also on the line to discuss the big, beautiful bill, we have the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russell Vogt. Director, thanks so much for joining the program. Really appreciate the time. Yeah, you bet. Thanks.
So let's talk about this bill. Obviously, there's been a lot of heartburn, particularly by fiscal hawks about this bill's suggestion that the bill doesn't do enough to cut the national deficit. It adds to the deficit or adds to the debt. What's the truth about that?
Well, I think, look, this is the most historic level of mandatory savings that we've had ever, $1.6 trillion. And just to give people a little bit of context, for 30 years, we've had virtually no efforts to cut mandatory savings, which are the things that are hardwired into permanent law, welfare benefits, things like Medicaid.
And we've had nothing of consequence since the 1997 balanced budget agreement, which included the work requirements with the Republican Congress and Bill Clinton.
This bill essentially doubles that with $1.6 trillion, begins to have sizable savings to get illegal immigrants off of Medicaid, to have a work requirement in Medicaid to take those reforms from 1997 and apply them to more of the federal government. to get people back into the labor force.
So it does sizable things at the same time as being, in addition to the economic growth that we think will come from this, because my view as the budget guy, you can't cut spending if you don't have a growing economy. And so the last thing you want to do is not preserve these tax cuts, get them extended. That is really just what current law is. There's a unique thing in budget land where you...
allow for programs to be permanent, but tax relief sunsets. So all that we're doing is extending what is essentially current law and then adding $1.6 trillion in mandatory savings. We think it's actually historic and something this town has even begun to approach. And we're working with members to be able to tell that story.
So, Director, one of the things that I think is kind of interesting about this debate is that many of the fiscal hawks seem to be railing against what the bill is not rather than what the bill is. Meaning, would it be great if the bill actually took on mandatory entitlement programs in a far bigger way that actually moved towards solving
systemic national debt problem, which, of course, is going to accrue over the course of the next 10, 20 years. And the cost curve is being bent here, but it's not being bent to the extent that it totally solves our national debt or deficit crisis. But of course, it never was going to. The Republicans have a two vote majority, essentially, in the House.
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