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Behind the Bastards

It Could Happen Here Weekly 179

Sat, 26 Apr 2025

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All of this week's episodes of It Could Happen Here put together in one large file.  Elon Musk and The Martian Revolution feat. Mike Duncan The City Sold Your Water feat. Prop Nihilist Violent Extremism Robert's Guide to The Next Six Months of Danger and Resistance Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #13 You can now listen to all Cool Zone Media shows, 100% ad-free through the Cooler Zone Media subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So, open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “Cooler Zone Media” and subscribe today! http://apple.co/coolerzone  Sources/Links: Nihilist Violent Extremism https://www.courtlistener.com/?q=%22nihilistic%20violent%20extremists%22&type=r&order_by=dateFiled%20asc https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-definitions-terminology-methodology.pdf https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/fbi-kash-patel-antifa-blm-terror-groups https://globalextremism.org/post/trump-abandoning-efforts-to-combat-white-supremacist/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/fbi-kash-patel-investigations-far-right https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-scales-back-staffing-tracking-domestic-terrorism-probes-sources-say-2025-03-21/ https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi-dhs-domestic-terrorism-strategic-report.pdf/view https://www.dni.gov/files/NCTC/documents/news_documents/2022_10_FBI-DHS_Strategic_Intelligence_Assessment_and_Data_on_Domestic_Terrorism.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-07/23_0724_opa_strategic-intelligence-assessment-data-domestic-terrorism.pdf https://bxwrites.substack.com/p/exclusive-the-satanic-plot-to-assassinate https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/what-are-nihilist-violent-extremists?r=1aiy5i&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #13 https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/04/justices-temporarily-bar-government-from-removing-venezuelan-men-under-alien-enemies-act/ https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.98.1_1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.100.0_2.pdf https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/maryland/prince-georges-county/hyattsville-police-department-details-2019-encounter-with-kilmar-abrego-garcia/  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/22/us/venezuela-immigrant-disappear-deport-ice.html https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/us-rwanda-relocates-iraqi-refugee-omar-ameen https://news.azpm.org/s/100806-us-citizen-detained-for-10-days-by-immigration-officials-may-not-have-known-what-he-was-signing/ https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1914393644766843386 https://bsky.app/profile/juddlegum.bsky.social/post/3lni7mlxow22c https://www.axios.com/2025/04/23/musk-bessent-trump-white-house-irs  https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/ https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/21/feds-blame-u-s-citizen-for-his-arrest-under-suspended-immigration-law/  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/21/doge-musk-trump-federal-employees-emails/  https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-donald-trump-doge-b2736753.html https://insideevs.com/news/753730/tesla-insurance-vandalism-elon-musk/ https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tesla-earnings-show-anti-musk-backlash-damaged-bottom/story?id=121008566&cid=social_twitter_abcn  https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/22/busiest-us-ports-see-big-drop-in-chinese-freight-vessel-traffic.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/21/peter-navarro-the-economist-who-has-outsmarted-elon-musk-and-has-the-ear-of-donald-trump https://archive.ph/v8Vp1 https://www.axios.com/2025/04/23/trump-economy-tariffs-china-powellSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: What is the Martian Revolution about?

2459.508 - 2470.314 Caller 3

And yet, anyway, somehow... They, you know, even if it is by accident, which is, to be fair, how a lot of revolutions start, they do it.

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2470.774 - 2491.382 Caller 10

I think the key thing is here is that we see throughout time, like, really extreme societies that try to mold people in certain ways with the idea of permanently changing them. And what happens in the past, at least to every one of those societies, is that the society dies and people go on being people, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

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2491.402 - 2499.307 Elon Musk

There's no, there's no year zero. There's no creating a new, there's no, there's no, there's no new man, you know, that's not ever going to happen.

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2499.508 - 2520.281 Elon Musk

That's actually, I mean, just, I wouldn't even have thought that I'm going to tie this back again to Tocqueville, which the reason I would recommend Ancien Résime is because that is a book about how much of the revolution was a continuation of what was going on before it and not actually caused by the revolutionary break. And, and even if you believe in the revolution and believe it was this, I,

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2520.721 - 2540.392 Elon Musk

I actually believe in the revolution because it accomplished these great things, but there was no Z year zero thing that happened. A lot of this stuff like is just on a continuum. And, you know, like I don't want to get in a fight with somebody about whether human nature is a thing that exists or doesn't exist. Like, like as an, as an abstract thing, because it's,

2540.652 - 2558.402 Elon Musk

Because I'm not sure that it's true, but there sure are a lot of things that keep popping up, right? Like we're interested in sex and we have to eat food and we live in shelters and we make music. And there does seem to be some very like human qualities that exist across all time and across all space.

2558.442 - 2563.485 Elon Musk

And if you just say to yourself like, well, like, I mean, this is one of the things I'm very sympathetic to anarchists.

2564.304 - 2583.255 Elon Musk

But there's a point with anarchism, especially the early stuff, where their idea was that if you smash the state and you destroy the state, then humans will be allowed to flourish in their natural goodness and communalism, which is a little bit what we are moving towards right now, but I'm not sure even that exists. Because if you...

2583.915 - 2599.088 Elon Musk

if you crash the state out, it's not the state that's necessarily making us this way. There is, there is stuff inside of human nature. That's that we created the state to begin with. So the whole, the whole thing is like a very, it's a balancing act that has gone way too far in a certain direction.

Chapter 2: How does the Martian Revolution reflect current issues?

2864.735 - 2878.228 Elon Musk

And even these questions of like citizens versus non-citizens, like one of the things that got me when I was reading Bakunin was like, it was a throwaway line. It wasn't even like a point he was making, but he referred to something as mere citizenship.

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2878.249 - 2878.409 Caller 9

Mm-hmm.

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2879.009 - 2895.656 Elon Musk

Which kind of struck me because I grew up very liberal. Like, I come from, like, the liberal suburbs of Seattle, and I had very liberal notions. And citizenship in sort of the liberal imagination is the highest thing that you can be, be a citizen of a polity with rights. There's a constitution. You get to participate in the government.

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2895.676 - 2916.146 Elon Musk

Like, citizen and citizenship are these words that had great profound meaning. And it really kind of, like, knocked me sideways to have them be, like, mere citizenship, right? You've been reduced to simply politics. a part of a polity and your humanity has been taken away from you. You're no longer being recognized as a human being. You're being recognized as a citizen.

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2916.466 - 2939.322 Elon Musk

And if you're not a citizen, then you just don't count at all. And it totally wipes out their humanity. So not only do I not have humanity because I'm simply a part of some polity rather than being me, Mike Duncan, a human being, but it's erasing our human obligations to each other, to non-citizens. And the idea, like, and you just see this very casually, like right now, like all over the place.

2939.342 - 2959.317 Elon Musk

It's just like, they're not citizens, so they don't deserve due process. They're not citizens, so we can just send them to El Salvadorian torture prisons and it's fine because they're not citizens and therefore they don't have rights. It's like, what about, you know, just being a person thinking about other people? And one of the greatest, one of my very favorite, I know I'm steamrolling here.

2959.477 - 2983.292 Elon Musk

I'll let you get a word in edgewise here in a second. But I forget what the court case was, but there was a court case out of Texas, you know, like back in like the 60s when they decided that the Texas school districts had to open the schools to undocumented children. And they said that because it says in the 14th Amendment, persons. It doesn't say citizens.

2983.733 - 2995.663 Elon Musk

And they were resting a lot of this on the notion that it says person has these rights, not citizen has these rights. And this is what conservatives and MAGA hate, hate, hate, hate. This is why they're going to try to undo the 14th Amendment.

2996.284 - 3008.716 Elon Musk

But to have the Supreme Court at one point in the past be like, no, you have to do this because you owe an obligation to them as a person, not just as a citizen. That's mind-blowing. I could not See the Supreme Court today making that same decision.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of the new nihilist definition by the FBI?

Chapter 4: How does private firefighting impact communities?

7130.967 - 7151.54 Garrison Davis

Earlier this year, a Wisconsin teen male named Nikita Kasap killed his parents in an attempt to gain the financial means and autonomy necessary to carry out a plot to assassinate President Trump and accelerate the collapse of the United States. I'm going to read a quote from a federal criminal complaint filed last month.

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7151.64 - 7171.637 Garrison Davis

Quote, on March 3rd, 2025, county sheriffs obtained a search warrant for Cassap's cell phone. During the review, they identified material on the phone related to, quote unquote, the order of nine angles. The sheriff's review of the phone identified possible usernames for Cassap, including Accelerationist 14 and Awoken, unquote.

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7172.538 - 7195.64 Garrison Davis

Now, Michael, are you unfortunate enough to be familiar with the Order of Nine Angles? I am not. So this is a group that was originally based in the UK and now is primarily active in Eastern Europe, though there are branches or spinoffs called Nexions in the United States. This is a group that is kind of hard to define. People often call it a Nazi Satanist group.

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7196.261 - 7213.678 Garrison Davis

I think it's more accurate to call them a white supremacist occultic group who essentially try to cultivate evil for the sake of evil. They're like a left-hand path occult group that has orchestrated multiple terrorist attacks, especially through radicalizing U.S. soldiers.

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7214.759 - 7236.414 Garrison Davis

At this point, they're pretty mythic with their writing and tactics leaving a strong, lingering presence across the left-hand path fascist occult milieu. We also have a reference to quote-unquote accelerationism here, which is similar to nihilism. It's like this philosophical term which has kind of been warped and changed via people's application of it in politics.

7237.094 - 7256.11 Garrison Davis

And specifically kind of the way that we're going to be using this word here is this idea of trying to like accelerate the collapse of the country, mostly to install like a white supremacist ethno state after the country has collapsed. This is how most Nazis use the term, even though it has a slightly different like cultural background with the work of Nick Land and Mark Fisher.

7256.29 - 7265.538 Michael Phillips

When I was growing up, acceleration just meant accelerating the contradictions of capitalism. But kids these days, that's right, direction, not a good one.

7266.278 - 7289.015 Garrison Davis

So this federal criminal complaint alleges that Kasip was communicating with people on the messaging app Telegram. And these people were possibly in Ukraine and or Russia. And these people helped him plan this attack. The FBI found TikTok messages on his phone where he discussed the struggle of telling his friends that he, quote unquote, follows 09A teachings. That's order of nine angles.

7289.776 - 7317.925 Garrison Davis

And he discussed a previous FBI visit to his home in 2023. In other exchanges on TikTok, he shared information with a user named Nihilus about how to find Nazi telegram channels. I'm going to read through some of this chat transcript. Nihilus, hey dude, do you know any telegram groups where Niners, that's O-9-A, and Drex can interact and exchange info? Awoken, that's Cassip.

Chapter 5: What are the challenges of privatizing water resources?

7517.711 - 7537.167 Garrison Davis

I think it's worth noting that Adam Wathman was also either like infiltrated or partially co-opted and inspired by some 09A teachings. This is kind of how the more bizarre and occultic influence of 09A seeped more into the kind of general American accelerationist Nazi milieu. This was like in like 2018.

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7539.128 - 7561.519 Garrison Davis

Now, Kasip advises that if the reader of the manifesto is already, like, pilled, that you should just skip the theory and just read practical how-to guides for terrorism and bomb-making, since, quote-unquote, there is no political solution. Huge amounts of violence will be required. Long past the days where we can vote for a Hitler to save us. White revolution is the only solution, unquote.

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7562.299 - 7579.615 Garrison Davis

Which I guess I'm kind of desensitized to this sort of stuff. In fact, I just find this slightly funny considering kind of the victory lap that like Stephen Miller and like white nationalists are currently having in the government where many of them do think they can just vote for a Hitler to save us and that Hitler may already be in office forever.

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7579.855 - 7599.543 Michael Phillips

Well, that isn't so shocking hearing all this as someone that doesn't know all these details. I mean, A, I feel like the blinders just got taken off me and I'm seeing the world anew. But B, shocking that from a more normie perspective, in my mind, I would think all of these types would be pretty excited about how things are going politically, not trying to tear things down further.

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7599.583 - 7602.324 Michael Phillips

It's like, you guys won, you know, accept it.

7602.624 - 7625.787 Garrison Davis

Even Trump is not extreme enough for a lot of these guys. They really go places. Now, Kasap was coordinating with multiple Telegram users, likely in Ukraine and Russia, on how to build a drone that can drop an explosive and paid some individuals for some of the required materials and also had a plan to flee to Ukraine after his attack that he was coordinating with Ukrainian Nazis on Telegram.

7626.187 - 7651.75 Garrison Davis

Tough look for Telegram. It's always a tough look for Telegram. Not great. Not a great platform. Pretty much only used by these guys. Yeah, no, he was talking about how he probably needs to, quote unquote, brush up on my Russian. Oh, yeah, definitely. Before he flees to Ukraine after trying to kill the president. You know, you download Duolingo after you do that. That's right. That's right.

7652.091 - 7659.512 Garrison Davis

He had plans to meet up with 10 people with similar beliefs in Ukraine. My mind is just so blown by all this.

7659.552 - 7661.893 Michael Phillips

I thought I knew things. I know nothing.

Chapter 6: How can historical revolutions inform our understanding of current events?

12335.902 - 12353.268 Caller 10

Dr. William Spratling, the medical superintendent of the Craig Colony for Epileptics in New York, declared that the farm model meant nature, the great restorer, will have an opportunity to do her best. It didn't work. Supporters of the colony model argued that with time, clean air, sunshine, and a restricted diet, physical labor could heal patients. But that didn't happen.

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12353.628 - 12365.431 Caller 10

Data from the Craig Colony, one of America's first epileptic colonies, illustrates this point. During the 1940s, thanks to funding and staff limitations because of World War II, conditions in North American institutions were particularly grim.

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12365.831 - 12385.529 Caller 10

The institution's 1943 to 1944 annual report to the State Commissioner of Mental Hygiene shows that less than 1% of patients were discharged as cured that year. During that same period, over 200 patients attempted to leave the colony without permission, and 5% of the total patient population died. Jesus. And so that's, I mean, that's... Reason enough to be deeply worried, right?

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12385.77 - 12408.724 Caller 10

The fact that, without saying, like, RFK wants to do what the Nazis did, RFK wants to do what America already did, and it killed a huge number of the people who were interned in those camps. And I guess the thing I keep bringing up is that when I think about what the threat model is, more than fucking Auschwitz for people who are on SSRIs, it's a Judge Rotenberg center on every corner.

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12409.044 - 12423.054 Caller 10

It's camps like these where... costs are going to be cut and there's not going to be good access for any kind of independent monitors to make sure health and safety are being followed. It's not that people are going to be shoveled into ovens.

12423.254 - 12442.171 Caller 10

It's that as a result of this system being incompetently applied to the most vulnerable, and I'm not even talking about my worry at the moment being that everyone on an SSR will be forced in, it's going to be poor kids. And RFK has already talked about that, right? Like that's why he's focusing on black kids, right? That's who they're going for.

12442.411 - 12464.992 Caller 10

We've had some people post up in the subreddit being like, I know I'm going to go to a camp because I have autism. Or I know I'm going to go to a camp because I have ADHD. And I'm telling you, I'm not saying... Don't be scared of fascism. I'm saying this is where to fight right now. It's not RFK wants to send every adult on an SSRI into a death camp.

12465.332 - 12487.084 Caller 10

It's that they're going to try and be putting these kids instead of the different juvenile programs that exist instead of any kind of functional medical program. they're going to force them into facilities like this. And it's going to become easier for facilities like the Judge Rotenberg Center, which horribly abuses and tortures autistic kids, to spread and to get state and federal funding.

12487.184 - 12519.585 Caller 10

And that's the threat, right? It's an extension of what we're doing and what we've done. It's not a carbon copy of what the Nazis are doing. Or did. Speaking of the Nazis... And we're back. So a couple of things happen in quick succession that is responsible in part for like why people are so freaked out and rightfully so.

Chapter 8: What are the social ramifications of anti-deportation organizing?

7348.324 - 7361.756 Garrison Davis

Can you send me the link to the account? Awoken. It says I can't access the message. Nihilus. How can I do that? Wait a second. Awoken. Here's my Telegram username. Acceleration is 14. Nihilus. I sent a message. So there you go. That's, uh...

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7362.837 - 7382.383 Garrison Davis

Man, just... There is some later Telegram messages that are archived in this complaint as well, where at Accelerationist says, what country do you think will get the blame for this? Meaning his planned attack. An unknown user replied, Russia will be blamed for it. This is the goal.

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7383.283 - 7393.807 Garrison Davis

Accelerationist said, quote, when the time comes for me to send my manifesto to you so you can spread it online, should it be a PDF? Also... Sorry.

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7393.827 - 7393.967 Michael Phillips

Sorry.

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7394.307 - 7418.75 Garrison Davis

I just like that when the context of all that, they're discussing file types. And also, you won't anyhow change or modify the manifesto, the unknown user replies, write it on a piece of paper and take a picture. Wow. The FBI personnel performing the preliminary review saw images of a three-page document titled Accelerate the Collapse. The images are screen grabs displayed on a phone.

7419.17 - 7437.775 Garrison Davis

And these images were created on February 28th, 2025. This document is the manifesto referred to by at accelerationist. The manifesto calls for the assassination of the president of the United States in order to foment a political revolution in the United States to, quote unquote, save the white race from, quote unquote, Jewish controlled politicians.

7438.235 - 7454.206 Garrison Davis

The third page of the document contains images of Adolf Hitler with text that reads, quote, Hail Hitler, hail the white race, hail victory. Now, from what I can read of this manifesto, it's pretty basic. It's heavily plagiarized, like most of these kind of white supremacist accelerationist manifestos are.

7454.226 - 7475.902 Garrison Davis

It talks about how Jews control white countries and are promoting white genocide and degeneracy. It talks about the need to, quote unquote, collapse Jewish occupied governments. The manifesto states that his motivation for wanting to kill Trump was to sow chaos and raise public awareness that, quote, assassinations and accelerating the collapse are possible things to do, unquote.

7476.262 - 7497.826 Garrison Davis

Not that possible since he's arrested and did not accelerate the collapse, but... He also advocates that people unable to commit to taking direct action instead make connections with other white supremacists and grow a network to take over the country once America collapses. He recommends the writing of Nazi accelerationists, including James Mason, who wrote the influential Nazi book Siege.

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