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Elon's Ultimatum, Trump's Military Purge, and Amazon's 007 Deal

Tue, 25 Feb 2025

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Kara and Scott discuss Elon's ultimatum to federal workers, his bizarre chainsaw-wielding appearance at CPAC, and the paternity lawsuit brought by a right-wing influencer. Then, Trump fires several high-ranking military leaders, and brings in podcaster and former Fox News personality Dan Bongino as Deputy FBI director. Plus, the markets try to rebound after a dramatic plunge, Amazon takes control of the James Bond franchise, and new polling shows nobody likes Mark Zuckerberg. Follow us on Instagram and Threads at @pivotpodcastofficial. Follow us on Bluesky at @pivotpod.bsky.social. Follow us on TikTok at @pivotpodcast. Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at nymag.com/pivot. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

67.36 - 68.221 Scott Galloway

And I'm Scott Galloway.

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68.441 - 71.062 Kara Swisher

Scott, I'm exhausted. And not just by Elon Musk.

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71.362 - 72.183 Scott Galloway

What's up? What's going on?

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72.683 - 80.203 Kara Swisher

I moved my house. I was in an apartment. I'm sitting here in the empty apartment right now. And moving sucks, Scott Galloway.

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80.464 - 82.384 Scott Galloway

So let me just give you a couple of pro tips on moving.

83.065 - 83.865 Kara Swisher

Let your wife do it.

84.445 - 85.446 Scott Galloway

The first is you leave town.

85.966 - 86.186 Kara Swisher

Yeah.

86.286 - 100.552 Scott Galloway

And the second is you give your partner, whoever's actually charged with moving, limitless funds and just say, please just accidentally let me know when it's all done. And then I will find reason why my business trips ends. But no, you should not be involved in moving areas.

Chapter 2: Why is Elon Musk demanding federal workers' accomplishments?

338.168 - 346.511 Kara Swisher

Yeah, I know. It's true. It's true. Zip recruiter. Yeah. Yeah. I need to. Louie's graduating NYU. I'm going to need to stay there because I can't deal with the hotel.

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346.591 - 349.171 Scott Galloway

Oh, is that right? Okay. I'll tell you. Send me the dates.

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349.512 - 351.132 Kara Swisher

Yeah. We'll have a big party. Or just show up.

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351.172 - 352.352 Scott Galloway

They let everyone up anyways.

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352.573 - 353.853 Kara Swisher

They do. They're like, oh, yeah.

353.913 - 361.896 Scott Galloway

I'm not exaggerating. When I walk in there, the first thing I do is I go, hello? Because there's a good chance someone's going to go, oh, hey, Scott. Yeah, we got in last Thursday.

361.936 - 363.017 Kara Swisher

Best hotel in New York.

363.037 - 365.619 Scott Galloway

We brought our St. Bernard and my cousins. Is that okay?

365.699 - 385.074 Kara Swisher

Best hotel in New York. And you know what? The only good thing about moving is I was blessfully not paying attention to news this weekend, which was horrible. Let me just say there was so much bad news that it was lovely not to be paying attention to it in any way when you're moving boxes. So we've got a lot to get to today, including Elon's chainsaw moment. You had some very funny moments.

Chapter 3: How is Trump's latest military shake-up affecting the government?

1295.189 - 1317.621 Scott Galloway

You're bringing into the world a child that has a tremendous disadvantage relative to other kids who are brought into loving households with either one or two women who decide to ensure that there are men involved in this kid's life. And it creates a host of issues as someone who has been asking themselves for a long time, why did my dad not decide to be involved in my life?

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1318.422 - 1325.007 Scott Galloway

And what it ends up is that it is harder and more damaging for boys to deal with this than girls.

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1325.327 - 1352.204 Kara Swisher

Yeah, that's true. Women just marry shitty men. So, the women I know. Anyway, don't be a shitty father, men. like Elon Musk, obviously. So obviously, yes. Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, Trump's military purge in his latest hire. Support for Pivot comes from the NPR podcast, Tech Unheard.

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1352.704 - 1368.828 Kara Swisher

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1369.109 - 1389.025 Kara Swisher

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1389.345 - 1407.163 Kara Swisher

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1410.882 - 1432.408 Scott Galloway

We're taking Vox Media Podcasts on the road and heading back to Austin for the South by Southwest Festival, March 8th through the 10th. What a thrill. Chicken fajitas, queso, strawberry margarita, extra shot of tequila. There you'll be able to see special live episodes of hit shows, including our show, Pivot. Where should we begin with Esther Perel? A Touch More with Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe.

1432.768 - 1458.309 Scott Galloway

Not Just Football with Cam Hayward. And more presented by Smartsheet. The Vox Media Podcast stage at South by Southwest is open to all South by Southwest badge holders. We hope to see you at the Austin Convention Center soon. I'm not joking. I love South by Southwest. The people are a ton of fun. It's a great time. If you do come up and say hi, visit voxmedia.com slash SXSW to learn more.

1458.549 - 1461.771 Scott Galloway

That's voxmedia.com slash SXSW.

Chapter 4: Why is the stock market experiencing volatility?

2512.569 - 2531.527 Scott Galloway

And going on Bill Maher, his kind of real time or videos of his earnings calls, his full embrace, wrapping himself in the flag. I think he's managed his brand really well. He's been aggressive. He's taken risks and they paid off. And the result is the company trades at like 90 times revenues. It's insanely overvalued, although it's dropped about 20% in the last few trading days.

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2531.627 - 2551.186 Kara Swisher

I just like, Mark, nobody likes you. They just don't. They've never have, not since the movie. And let me tell you, that tracks in real life, too, for people who don't know. Just like I could not get away fast enough from Mark Zuckerberg. All right. Although we like the chains, Mark. We do like the chains. All right, Scott, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.

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2551.206 - 2559.712 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

All right.

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2561.184 - 2565.086 Kara Swisher

Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like to go first or shall I?

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2565.106 - 2566.326 Scott Galloway

You go first, Cara.

2566.467 - 2582.326 Kara Swisher

Well, the German election, I think, you know, even though Europe is going to have to pull its own, put its shoulder into it, the Conservative Party won, but the ADF did. This is a fail, I guess. What's happening in Germany is young people, they're voting for Europe. It's interesting because the left had a big surge.

2582.366 - 2597.491 Kara Swisher

I'm going to read something from a friend of mine who's German who gave me some insight, was showing me sort of the election results by age. Young people really leaned into the left party 25% and 20% for the right party, which was interesting. So they're really going...

2598.291 - 2619.403 Kara Swisher

The young people are going different directions, 18 to 24, versus the older people who stayed with the conservative party or the version of the Democrats. The Greens lost some ground. Obviously, the version of Democrats called the SPD lost ground. The CDU will now form a government, but they have to get together with others.

2620.503 - 2638.175 Kara Swisher

And this is what my friend wrote, as expected, young voters voting extreme, highly influenced by social media, unclear how long it will take to build a government. Schultz, the chancellor, did the Biden by not stepping down in time. Big questions about the transatlantic relationship. Metz is an old fashioned transatlanticist, but with supporting ADF, we'll see a baseline.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of Amazon's acquisition of the James Bond franchise?

3370.836 - 3372.017 Scott Galloway

That's a good idea.

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3372.037 - 3377.16 Kara Swisher

You know what? They're great guests. They're really smart. That was a really amazing insight into what's happening.

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3377.18 - 3379.001 Scott Galloway

Higher propensity of depression also.

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3379.061 - 3379.721 Kara Swisher

Yeah, I know.

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3380.714 - 3390.258 Scott Galloway

I'm having the big handsome. Actually, I'm trying to get the big handsome guy on. He has a book out called Lucky Loser. What big handsome guy? Oh, he's like a big handsome guy. He also wears Tommy Bahama. He's dreamy.

3390.278 - 3391.938 Kara Swisher

Oh, okay. All right, get them all on.

3391.998 - 3394.399 Scott Galloway

Speaking of which, have you watched Reacher on Amazon?

3394.599 - 3398.841 Kara Swisher

I love Reacher, of course. I love the original Tom Cruise movies, and I watch it on Amazon, absolutely.

3398.861 - 3411.548 Scott Galloway

But I'm so fascinated by... What it says about America, it used to be that the heroes were especially skilled or amazing fighters or super smart. Now it's just, I'm just so fucking big I can solve every problem.

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