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BONUS EPISODE from Tim's New "FYPod"

Sun, 02 Mar 2025

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Tim has a new Gen Z podcast, co-hosted by Cameron Kasky. The most recent episode is called "Nazi Parties Aren't Ragers," and features guest Joshua Rush, a former Disney Channel star turned political operative. Covid-19 locked up Gen Z during their formative years, and the GOP offered them a party. Sure, there’s some Nazism mixed in with the drinks, but during a loneliness pandemic, you take what highs you can get. Tim and Cam discuss how Covid helped push Gen Z right. Plus, Joshua Rush defends the activist tactics of Gen Z and explains how— in the face of nonstop nihilism—he still has optimism for the future of America. Joshua Rush joins Tim Miller and Cameron Kasky. show notes FYPod page

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Chapter 1: Why did Tim Miller and Cameron Kasky start FYPod?

0.069 - 27.48 Tim Miller

Hey guys, I launched FYPod with my buddy Cameron Kasky, who was a Parkland survivor that started March for Our Lives. And I did so because we wanted to talk to Gen Z influencers, Gen Z activists, people from across the ideological spectrum in Gen Z to get a sense for, you know, why... these guys, particularly guys, let's be honest, trended more towards Trump than us.

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27.56 - 46.681 Tim Miller

Ernest Wessling, millennials, uh, understand what is happening culturally, understanding what's happening with them on their phones and with their anxiety. And, um, I'm super excited, uh, to do it with them. Um, you know, playing the, uh, I was about to say the dad. Could I be cool older brother? Probably not. There's a pretty big gap between us age-wise.

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46.801 - 69.312 Tim Miller

Anyway, I'm doing the best that I can to try to learn from the kids. And so we have a huge array of guests. They're going to be coming. I'm excited about some of the folks we have coming up. This week, the episode you're about to hear was episode two with Joshua Rush, who was a Disney star that then quit Disney. and became a political activist, political campaign professional.

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69.352 - 89.6 Tim Miller

Now he's working in Texas. So he has more of a positive view on things than me and Cameron who are pretty jaded. So I just wanted to give you guys a taste of it. You can go to subscribe to the feed, go to FY pod on your podcast player of choice. We'll be having, I think next week's guest is going to be pretty fun and we've got some good ones coming down the pike. So

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90.56 - 98.451 Tim Miller

Would appreciate it if you subscribe to the feed. Give us five stars. Hope you enjoy it. Up next, FYPod with Cameron Kasky and Joshua Rush.

100.734 - 145.464 Cameron Kasky

I'm Cameron Kasky. I'm Tim Miller. And this is FYPod. You are listening to the second episode of the record-breaking and historic look we are taking into Generation Z. And we're asking a lot of questions about why we're all acting so crazy. We're exploring the idea that maybe we're called Gen Z because Z is the last one. And it might be over, gang. It's over? It looks like it's over, man.

145.524 - 167.135 Cameron Kasky

I mean, last time we spoke, you and I, Tim, one of the president's puppet masters had done a Sig Heil in front of everybody. And then the president's puppet master said, no, no, no, no, no. One is not enough. Steve Bannon's got to go up and do the Sig Heil as well. So now we're two Sig Heils into this presidency and probably more to come.

167.175 - 170.277 Cameron Kasky

We'll just see if the orange guy decides he wants to do it as well.

171.089 - 191.994 Tim Miller

It's a Roman salute, Cameron. The SIG Heil is a nice transition into the topic I wanted to pick your brain on today. And it is the Germans. Do you have any thoughts on bratwurst now? It's not just about the Germans, but the Germans had an election. And They, you know, things went, I guess, better than they could have.

Chapter 2: How did Covid-19 influence Gen Z's political leanings?

3011.083 - 3030.342 Tim Miller

So they don't know that I'm already out there in the in the battle space. And I was going to humblebrag. I was going to meet a senator for lunch. We're going to talk about how to beat Donald Trump's ass. They didn't know that that's where I was on my way to. Then I was late. But that said, I walked by and she goes, do you have a moment for trans rights? I replied, sorry, not right now.

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3031.283 - 3053.351 Tim Miller

Her reply, I forgive you. I want to turn around and be like, fuck the trans people. I was like, is there somebody else? Is there an anti-trans person whose thing that I can sign right now? And I just I do think that in your guys's world, like maybe not YouTube, but some folks are a little like maybe you're being a little bit counterproductive in their activism.

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3053.412 - 3062.257 Tim Miller

So I'm wondering how you think about that and not not creating backlash by being annoying, you know, Gen Z people chastising other Texans.

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3063.484 - 3071.592 Joshua Rush

You know, Tim, my question to you would be, did that interaction that you had with a progressive activist make you decide to vote Republican?

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3072.753 - 3084.565 Tim Miller

I mean, if I was not, if I was a worse person, maybe. OK, that's all I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It was radical. It was slightly radicalizing against the trans rights movement, I would say. It's just slightly radical.

3085.351 - 3099.842 Joshua Rush

So you got annoyed, and your knee-jerk reaction is just to fully vote against him in 2026. You are probably in the minority of Americans. I think that we should be annoying as fuck all the time, actually. I do, yeah.

3100.763 - 3124.839 Joshua Rush

Mostly towards Republicans, but I think that there's a lot of good reason to be annoying towards your Democratic representatives right now and make sure that they are being loud and outspoken against Democrats. You know, Donald Trump and his fascistic agenda. You know, I got a buddy of mine, my anarcho-communist friend, who keeps talking about what South Korean parliament members did. Oh, yeah.

3124.919 - 3141.872 Joshua Rush

Scaling the walls of their parliament building when they thought that their democracy was at risk. And, like, this is... What is happening right now is a four alarm fire to me. Like, I want our Democratic politicians scaling the walls at the Department of Education to figure out what's going on inside of there.

3142.132 - 3142.452 Tim Miller

Same.

Chapter 3: Why does isolation push young people towards right-wing ideologies?

4434.831 - 4457.259 Cameron Kasky

But I think that it is all part of the larger doom narrative, the same doomerism that affects our politics and the way that we view ourselves and our futures. And it's this collective feeling that we are at the end. So if it's the end of the world as we know it, and I don't feel fine, sorry, Michael Stipe, I'm going to spend my money. And again, I can't relate.

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4457.439 - 4461.401 Cameron Kasky

I can't say I have much money, but I don't spend it that much. That's why I dropped out of Columbia.

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4462.642 - 4471.847 Sebastian

Is that what is doom spending? I didn't I saw this in the article and they didn't give a definition. It's just the world is ending and now we're going to go take a cruise because of it.

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4472.448 - 4474.669 Cameron Kasky

The world is ending. So we're spending.

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4475.35 - 4482.874 Joshua Rush

So who cares about saving money? Who cares about, you know, me carrying over this credit card debt to next month, even though my APR is, you know, 45 percent.

4483.354 - 4487.717 Cameron Kasky

What am I going to do? Buy a house like I'm not getting my twenty thousand dollars for Kamala Harris.

4488.86 - 4502.548 Tim Miller

You know, I think this is just kind of boomer shit, to be honest. We got this too, us millennials. There was a whole meme about this, about how we were wasting all our money on avocado toast. We don't cook anymore.

4502.988 - 4504.289 Joshua Rush

And you were and you don't, right?

4504.929 - 4518.72 Tim Miller

I was spending my money on avocado toast and I didn't cook. That is correct. In 2014, we all were. Yeah, and here we are. I have savings now. Thanks to you, our Bulwark Plus subscribers. Okay, next question, Sebastian. Sure.

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