The Trump administration keeps showing it's sooo tough on immigration that it deported three U.S. citizen children, arrested the wife of a member of the Coast Guard because her visa expired, and perp-walked an allegedly immigrant-concealing Wisconsin judge in handcuffs—instead of showing her the kind of deference Trump received over the course of his four indictments. Plus, the wildly wealthy jackasses behind Trump, the missing cargo ships at the ports, and Scott Pelley at 60 Minutes shows how it's done. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes Tim on Trump's bad polling numbers for his first 100 days Adrian on a focus group of Latino men in Arizona who are disappoined in Trump Bill's 'Bulwark on Sunday' interview with Ryan Goodman Semafor's piece, "The Group Chats that Changed America"
Chapter 1: What are the latest Trump polling numbers?
But at the top level, you're just seeing some things from over the weekend that I think are worth mentioning, kind of how they intersect with all this. There's this new Seattle Times story about how there are no ships in the port. April isn't even over yet. And kind of in a strange way that the March numbers, I guess, of ships were up.
And the theory on that is people are thinking that the tariff uncertainty, people are like trying to get the material into the country as quickly as possible. So we'll see. But yeah. A former ship worker gave this great quote to the Seattle Times. Give me a break. There's no container ships. What more do you need? And took a picture of it.
I saw Larry Summers was on the Trump Tech Bro podcast fighting with those guys. And he basically said, look, we're a couple weeks away, like mid to late May, from consumers being able to see real changes, either with regards to some empty shelves or prices going up. Already you're seeing prices going up if you're a consumer that uses Timu or Shine.
It wasn't really me ever, but I've seen some screenshots on the Internet of the prices of those high quality goods coming straight from China to you are going up. So that's like the fundamental element of this, I think. Right, Bill?
Right. I mean, reality, I mean, another way of saying it is the polls are interesting, but reality is even more important than the polls. And people are driven somewhat by reality, at least even these days. And if we go into have a combination from inflation and recession, which looks quite possible. Yeah, that matters a lot, I think. I mean, reality blurs over into perception, obviously.
So on immigration, I mean, the kind of incredible overreach of his immigration policies is a reality that people are seeing and don't like, but also they don't like it. The economic side is the most kind of pure reality driven. It is, you know, people really see the prices. They see their cousin gets laid off or something.
Some of these other policies, it's a blur between, you know, what they're doing and Which has real effects. And incidentally, immigration has real effects on the economy, too. The collapse, the cutting off of immigration and deterring of immigration and tourism, probably underrated as another downside on the economy.
But then also, people have the sense of what kind of country are we living in, you know, if this kind of stuff is happening.
Well, you know, we've been talking about the travel. Those numbers are already down. That's going to impact. So this is where this stuff does intersect. All this stuff intersects, right? Like that is going to be reality for people that live particularly in communities that are powered by tourism, right? And hospitality like mine.
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Chapter 2: How are immigration policies affecting families?
Maybe they didn't do it quite the right way. Thus, there was a stay. But some of these things like the Alien Enemies Act will actually get to the Supreme Court on the merits, presumably. Can you invoke an act that was passed in 1798, clearly intended for war or for invasion, used only in American history in times of war or invasion?
Could you say that we're at war with, in effect, with Venezuela because there's a Venezuela gang of Venezuelans, of immigrants of Venezuela who are operating in the U.S., a gang of 1,000 people maybe. Not a very well-organized gang, actually, it turns out, though pretty brutal at times. Isn't that law enforcement, not alien enemies?
I mean, we haven't gotten to that kind of more fundamental question either. So an awful lot coming in the Supreme Court. We saw that 7-2 decision, that emergency decision a week ago. And he thinks that is indicative of something.
The seven of the justices just think we need to send a signal that they cannot just, you know, end run courts and dissemble to courts and pretend that, you know, they don't have to go through due process and executing their policies.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Trump's actions on the courts?
Chapter 4: How does public sentiment influence political leadership?
Well, you know, we've been talking about the travel. Those numbers are already down. That's going to impact. So this is where this stuff does intersect. All this stuff intersects, right? Like that is going to be reality for people that live particularly in communities that are powered by tourism, right? And hospitality like mine.
You know, Adrian Kerskia, our colleague, got a focus group of Latino Trump voters where a lot of them were kind of expressing like unhappiness. He said he was just going to get rid of the bad guys. Now that there's a point of this, it just makes you want to give a deep sigh and be like, you know, did anyone listen? No, I guess it is. It's intersecting there.
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Intersects with our life down here in Louisiana is there have been two cases of U.S. citizen children who were deported to Honduras here. One was born in Baton Rouge, a two-year-old. The other one was a pair of siblings, four and seven-year-old. They were born outside of New Orleans, Honduran mothers. In the former case, the girl's father died.
was trying to keep the child in the country and filing with the courts. And the courts just said, they essentially like, well, now the mother said she wanted to keep her and like, but you don't know, there was no hearing. They just, you know, rushed them out of the country. The lawyer in the case of the four and seven year old was again, trying to keep them in the country.
One of them, I think has an illness and, you know, they're concerned about medical treatment here versus in Honduras. So again, you know, That's like the deport rapists is popular. Everyone's for that. Deporting people, even honestly, more popular than I would like. Deporting people that came in illegally but haven't committed any crimes. Deporting people that are born here.
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