Bill Kristol

Yeah, no, that's a good question.

I'll think about it and get back to you at the end of the show.

I can tell some of my favorite Henny Youngman jokes.

That'll go over well.

That'll date me back to 1946 or something like that.

Yeah, no, I think it's a very strong piece.

And he's been arguing this for a while, as you say, but I think he's being vindicated by events.

Trump, understandably, does not want to escalate.

He doesn't want to get in an even bigger war.

And I think the conventional wisdom has been, well, it's not great for Trump.

And I've had this view somewhat.

And he can slide out of it without too much damage to himself or, I suppose, to the US.

Iran's capabilities have been degraded.

We've paid a price.

The world economy has paid a price.

But we can recover.

I still think it'd be a pretty serious defeat.

Bob is more struck by the severity of that defeat.

Also struck by the fact that Iran, he's been right about this for the last week or so.

We've been talking about it on the phone a lot.