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Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We have ended up with a double segment for your Monday pod today. My colleague Joe Perticone happened to be in Rome this morning for his wedding. And so we have a Catholic Rome correspondent who I spoke to about the death of Pope Francis, our first Jesuit Pope, somebody that I feel a little, even as a lapsed Catholic, I
A little kindred spirit, too, or maybe not kindred spirit, but a little connection to Papa Francisco, having been the first Jesuit pope, someone that has acknowledged the existence of gay Catholics and, you know, treated them with humanity, came to, I think, really recognition, washing the feet of AIDS victims. patients in Argentina. So, it's a sad loss of Pope Francis.
I get into that at greater length with Joe Perticone in segment two, but up first, it's Monday. He's the editor-at-large of The Bulwark, not a Catholic, famously. It's Bill Kristol. How you doing, Bill? I don't think I'm famously not a Catholic. I mean, you're pretty famously Jewish, I guess.
I'm famously okay with Catholics. Some of my best friends have been and are Catholics. Some lapsed and some not lapsed.
A lot of converted Catholics in your world, actually. A lot of people coming in and a lot going out. A lot of movement in the doorway to Catholicism around Bill Kristol. Maybe worth mentioning, I guess, that the angel of death, our vice president, J.D. Vance, did visit Pope Francis the day before his death.
Yeah, I mean, it's a little striking. You know, I don't follow the inter-Catholic controversies that much. I used to be kind of interested in it, but I've sort of lost touch. But he seems to have been a very decent man, as a non-Catholic, looking at it from the outside. He seems to have been a very decent man in an age that's not very decent in many ways.
And in that respect, I looked up to him, and I think he was an important public figure for non-Catholics as well, don't you think, in this moment?
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