Trump's favorite judge, Aileen Cannon, has been attempting to exercise authority she doesn't have over Jack Smith's required report on his investigations of the Jan 6 case and the hoarding of classified docs—but she'll be a model of loyalty that Trump will expect for all his judicial appointments. Meanwhile, it's a big week of hearings for his nominees, Wray could do more to oppose the politicization of the FBI, and what is up with Fetterman? Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes Bob Kagan's Atlantic piece on Ukraine that Bill referenced
Chapter 1: What legal motions are affecting the Jack Smith report?
Hey everybody, when I taped this with Bill this morning, we were discussing these legal motions from a couple of Trump's underlings, including Walt Nauta, that was trying to delay the release of the Jack Smith report. They'd put in a filing with Judge Eileen Cannon. Since we've recorded, those motions have been denied.
And so, as of right now, there are no legal barriers to the release of the Jack Smith report. So, hopefully we'll be seeing that soon, and we'll be discussing it later this week. Up next... Bill Kristol. Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Monday, so we've got Bill Kristol live from Washington. A big moment for Washington.
The football team has won a playoff match on the backs of LSU grad Jaden Daniels.
First in 20 years, I believe. The first playoff victory in 20 years. And they can go to Detroit next Sunday. Next weekend, I was thinking about this, will be a good distraction from the inauguration that's coming up Monday. This will have pretty good, I don't follow pro football much like I used to, but it seems like at least pretty good playoff games next week, right?
We will have some great games next weekend. That distraction will absolutely be needed. Our friend Ben Stillman with Severance is coming back. Maybe on Friday I'll create a list for people of various distractions from the inauguration.
You need Monday 9 a.m. to midnight, you know, 15 hours of things to watch.
Yeah. I'll work on that assignment for our listeners. I guess I wasn't going to do this, but since you brought it up, I was going to pretend like the inauguration wasn't happening for this hour, but we'll just do briefly. Because you announced just right before we were coming on the schedule for the inauguration, which includes on Sunday night a MAGA rally, followed by a candlelight dinner.
So not exactly traditional to have a rally, you know, a partisan rally before the inauguration, which I'm sure will have a message that they leak to the media. It's like about unity and blah, blah, blah. The night before he's going to have... a MAGA rally, and then a nice candlelight dinner. Who knows, a picnic or something.
It's all grift, isn't it? I'm sure. I haven't seen it, but I haven't seen the announcement. But Trump can't personally, I don't think, still benefit from ticket prices to the – I don't think the inauguration, but you don't pay for it to go there, right? So people can go to that in the old-fashioned way as a public civic event.
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Chapter 2: What are Judge Eileen Cannon's recent rulings?
And then over the weekend, there were various back and forths, backs and forths, however you say that, and culminating in the filing that you just described, which may or may not delay things much. I mean, the lawyers I've talked to seem pretty confident we'll get the report.
Maybe it'll be delayed a couple of days this week, and maybe Trump will go to the Supreme Court if the 11th Circuit says no way, and that'll take a day. But it's not 100%. And the degree to which The Trump people, they don't give up. They try to exploit every ambiguity. They invent ambiguities. They invent legal doctrines.
It's pretty impressive in a way, maybe a little bit of a lesson for the rest of us, that if they're going to play the system this way, And the Justice Department is playing it very straight, as I say in the morning shots. And to their credit, I think, the Justice Department of the United States, they're not supposed to cut corners or avoid things.
And so they're scrupulous at all this, and they're answering these objections as if they're serious objections. But it is kind of a lopsided or a one-sided thing, right? I mean, it's...
Well, it's a way for them to gain the system and get the advantages of that while people that are scrupulous are penalized. It's been said before, it's not an original thought for me, but there is the rule that the defendant has an opportunity to get a fair and speedy trial. It's one of the things that underline our justice system. What about the other way around?
And the United States versus Donald Trump should in the United States also have the benefit of a speedy trial. Apparently not.
Judge Cannon is the person who really denied that in the classified documents case and now trying to reach over to even let us – the Supreme Court denied it basically in the January 6th case. Now Cannon is trying to reach over to delay or stop really the release of both reports.
One already is apparently not going to be released, at least for now, the classified documents report because that case continues against the two cases. Trump employees. So the degree of, yes, the degree to which they've all gamed the system, including the judges, and this, I guess, is the point I try to make this morning a little bit, that the lawyers are too polite.
Everyone's too polite to say that Judge Cannon is behaving as a pure partisan political hack. People are too polite to say that to some degree about the Supreme Court, too, I would say. And the next four years, Trump's going to appoint 200 Judge Cannons. Trump learned a lesson. He complains bitterly about the Trump-appointed judges who ruled against him in November and December of 2020, right?
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Chapter 3: How is Donald Trump manipulating the judicial system?
That's one of his big grievances. I appointed them. Don't they know who they're supposed to be loyal to? He's not making that mistake again. And his White House counsel isn't going to make that mistake. And Pam Bondi, as the chair of the Senate, is not going to make that mistake. We're looking at Judge Cannon's all the way and the Republican Senate.
confirming all of them, or 95% of them, and a Pam Bondi-run Justice Department, which is not going to be scrupulous, as Merrick Garland's has been. So it's going to be, this is a little bit of a foretaste of what four years of Trump could look like.
Cannons all the way down. I want to play, speaking of this asymmetry, Chris Wray was on 60 Minutes last night, his one interview since he decided to resign his role as director of the FBI. He addressed some of the questions about Trump's grievances about the classified documents case. I want to play that and then just talk more broadly about the interview.
Part of the FBI's job is to safeguard classified information. And when we learn that information, classified material, is not being properly stored, we have a duty to act. And I can tell you that in investigations like this one, a search warrant is not, and here was not, anybody's first choice.
we always invariably try to pursue the least intrusive means, first trying to get the information back voluntarily, then with a subpoena, and only if after all that, we learn that the agents haven't been given all of the classified material. And in fact, those efforts have been frustrated, even obstructed.
Then our agents are left with no choice but to go to a federal judge, make a probable cause showing, and get a search warrant. And that's what happened here.
I just wanted to lay all that out because it speaks to exactly what you were just talking about, right? Where The FBI follows every rule here, right? They go to Trump in a friendly way and say, hey, you might have forgotten that you have these classified documents. Do you want to hand them back? No. Subpoena. They go around the subpoena.
and then eventually they have to go and seize these documents back as is required as is their job as as the federal bureau of investigation to to protect these classified secrets like they didn't know trump was going to be back in the white house you can't do something based upon that and so they do all of that they follow the rules and then donald trump
After all of his delay tactics don't work, then gets to say, oh, they're targeting me. He gets to flop around on the ground and say, oh, the government is targeting me. And the concerning thing about this is that worked. That effort to convince people that he was being unfairly targeted.
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Chapter 4: What implications do Trump's judicial appointments have?
That seems right. But detailing sort of what her found and the ex-president of the United States, who purposely takes masses of documents, lies about having them, orders employees to hide them and, you know, I don't know what, mess around with the cameras and all that kind of stuff in Mar-a-Lago. He's got a grievance, and he gets lucky, I suppose, with the judge to whom the case is assigned.
And the judge basically runs the clock out for a year and a half, and he's trying now not even to have a report that might be critical of him. So the disparity there is pretty extraordinary.
Okay, so let's get the devil on our shoulder out here. Is it the lesson that Democrats really shouldn't play by these sorts of rules, that there should be a little bit of Calvin ball going both ways?
Yeah, or at least they should know that their opponents are not playing by these rules. And maybe they still should, in my view, try to obey the law and so forth. But there are ways to do so, and there are ways to be more aggressive, obviously. And I think maybe not bending over backwards would be a good start and playing hardball within the constraints of –
of legitimate baseball as opposed to sort of polite batting practice pitchings. And that's unfair as opposed to Garland and Justice. And I don't have a grievance. I mean, I think Jack Smith did his best at all.
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Chapter 5: What are the key takeaways from Chris Wray's interview?
But I've got to say, when you go back and think about it, that the idea that the Justice Department spent two years prosecuting every person who stormed the Capitol, which I'm for, and didn't start the case against Donald Trump until after the January 6th Committee, I think it was at the very end of 2022, I think, when Garland announced that What were they thinking?
I mean, who was responsible for all those people storming the Capitol? They didn't, if they didn't find a crime, they didn't find a crime, but at least investigate it in a very serious way. Not, you know, this very tiny, they did almost nothing really till the January 6th committee did its thing. So I don't know. In retrospect, that was a very bad decision by Biden and Garland.
And the other interesting things from the Ray interview, and, you know, we'll get the right expert in here to have a broader conversation about this at some point, but his comments about China, I think were very interesting. 60 Minutes was trying to direct him to talking about
terrorist threat uh given what was happening in new orleans and stuff and he was like actually like the thing that i think has been underappreciated is the way that china is is breaching our infrastructure in various ways i thought that was interesting i have a broader convo about that but then the rest of the convo is just again ray just doing the well i wanted to make the transition orderly
It's kind of goody-two-shoes stuff about how the Bureau can't be politicized. And it's all kind of a worldview that's like, yeah, that all makes sense in a 2011 world, but they've nominated somebody who's literally stated that he plans to politicize the Bureau. And so you have to act differently. And I think that's really what we're saying here.
It's not about going around the wall or not following the law or not respecting our democratic norms and institutions. It's about recognizing tactically that just saying, oh, I'm going to cross my T's and dot my I's, and while the other side is just shameless about their plans for corrupting the institution, I just don't think that makes a lot of sense.
Right. As you say, you don't have, no one wants anyone to break the law here, but so fine. He's now resigned. I guess he was about to resign or he has, I don't know if he's officially resigned yet, but anyway, he will have resigned on January 19th. He could testify about the Bureau, which he knows a lot about and how dangerous it is to politicize it.
And therefore Kash Patel should not be the next director of the FBI. He can make clear that he's fine with people who he doesn't agree with on everything. And that there's a bunch of people who have supported Donald Trump, who probably are capable of leading the FBI in a decent way. But why doesn't he join other, like Bill Webster, the longtime ago former director of the FBI, in opposing Patel?
And that's the part that's kind of amazing, right? He's going to quit, and then he's going to say, well, as a former director, it would be inappropriate for me to testify before Congress or say anything like that. Exactly.
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Chapter 6: How is John Fetterman navigating his political strategy?
Chapter 7: What are the upcoming hearings and their significance?
You didn't quote Euripides or anything?
You're just two bros? I like to adjust my remarks to the... No, but Federer's a smart guy also. I mean, he's got that whole shtick, but it's not like he's not a, you know. Anyway, I don't have a problem. Look, I think he's a good politician. He won in Pennsylvania. We were happy.
I recall defending him quite a lot after that stroke, incidentally, when everyone was, oh, my God, how could you support someone who's not, you know, in totally great shape? And I remember we published articles in the Bulwark about how people recover from strokes and having a stroke's very different from being, you know, 80 years old and not being able to do things and so forth.
And when you're middle-aged and you can recover and so forth. So yes, we are not an anti... I really think JVL loved Fetterman, didn't he?
Wasn't he pushing Fetterman for like... I'm hoping he can come on sometime. We can hash some of this stuff out.
I like it. We have been a pro-Fetterman publication. So we say all this from...
sorrow yeah and i like heterodoxy and i'm happy if he wants to to leave the party norms in certain ways like there's a lot of elements of it i like the smiley thumbs up pictures maybe we can stop that's i guess that's my number one that's my number one issue the visits to monologo let's chill out on those
On the other side of the coin, on the more normie dem, whatever you want to call it, traditional dem side of the coin, while we're doing little nitpicks. We have not covered the DNC race at all. So I like your take on the DNC chairs race broadly. But I have to, you know, in order to be fair here on the podcast, if you're going to. I'm going to criticize the heterodox suck-up to Trump Dems.
I also need to express my concerns about the more mainstream Dems and their strategies. The key players in this chair's race are Ken Martin, chairman of the Minnesota DFL, and Ben Wickler, the chair of the Wisconsin Dem Party. Martin O'Malley, former governor of Maryland, is also in the race. There's this guy, James Skoufis, who's been creating a stir.
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