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Bill Kristol: Kleptocrats and Plutocrats

03 Mar 2025

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Trump is trying to chuck the post-WWII order and firmly pivot American foreign policy away from Europe and toward Putin—the poor guy who got dragged into totally-not-a-hoax Russia Russia Russia. And Lil' Marco and Lindsey rushed to defend Trump and JD against Zelensky, who dared to question in the Oval Office whether Putin could be trusted in any ceasefire deal. At the same time, DOGE is putting the lives of malnourished children and pregnant women at risk in the name of cost-cutting while Trump is planning to use taxpayer money to prop up crypto, so he and his cronies can personally profit off it even more. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod. show notes Sam joins Bill for the most recent "Bulwark on Sunday" More on the USAID memo laying out Rubio's failure to provide life-saving foreign aid

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8.325 - 29.076 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Congrats to Anora. A great film on a win last night. Lots of wins at the Oscars and happy Lundy-Graw. Much has happened since we last taped. Had it not been my husband's 40th birthday and Mardi Gras weekend, I might have come back on to do an emergency pod. But, you know, sometimes you guys just got to wait for the good stuff.

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29.136 - 32.938 Tim Miller

And so I got Bill Kristol back here and it's Monday. How you doing, Bill? I'm doing fine.

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32.998 - 44.04 Bill Kristol

Sam and I did a pod yesterday. You'll be glad to know, which covers some of this, but we can get into much more depth here. Sam, you know, you kind of skate across the surface. With Tim Miller, you're talking about the deep dives, you know?

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44.861 - 65.945 Tim Miller

That is great to know. No, I was nursing a hangover yesterday, so I did not tune in for you and Sam, but people can get our little Sunday bonus conversations on Substack. So, you know, go to the Bulwark, sign up for Bulwark Plus. You don't have to wait for me until Monday afternoon that way. All right. Where should we start? I think we got to start with the sneer heard around the world from J.D.

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65.985 - 91.416 Tim Miller

Vance. I'm going to play a series of clips from the White House summit, so to speak, between Vladimir Zelensky, Putin. That was unintentional. Between Vladimir Zelensky, Trump, and Vance. Things were going okay. I mean, you know, okay for Trump on the Trump scale until J.D., decided to interject into a question from the press about whether Trump had been too nice to Putin. Let's listen.

91.496 - 92.257 Donald Trump

One more question.

92.317 - 112.948 Unknown

I will respond to this. So look, for four years in the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin. And then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy.

113.309 - 123.713 Unknown

We tried the pathway of Joe Biden of thumping our chest and pretending that the president of the United States' words mattered more than the president of the United States' actions.

124.625 - 153.095 Vladimir Zelensky

I signed with him, Macron and Merkel, we signed ceasefire. Ceasefire. All of them told me that he will never go. We signed him with gas contract. Gas contract. Yes, but after that, he broken this ceasefire. He killed our people and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy, J.D., you are speaking about?

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