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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1008: Jon Lovett: A Worst Case Scenario Comes Into View

Thu, 27 Mar 2025

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Trump so far is not delivering on his promised spike in deportations, but he is creating a permission structure where we lock up people without due process in a foreign gulag—and where masked, plainclothes officers in unmarked cars can grab an international student off the street because of her speech. Meanwhile, a Rolex-wearing Kristi Noem is shooting videos in front of people we've turned into hostages, the mainstream media is struggling to respond to the moment, we can't count on judges siding with the Constitution, Republicans refuse to be honest, and far too much of the public is not paying attention.  Jon Lovett joins Tim Miller. show notes FDR's "Rendevous with Destiny" speech

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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and guests of this episode?

8.154 - 26.51 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to have back former speechwriter for Hillary Clinton and Barry Obama, co-founder of Crooked Media, host of Love It or Leave It, as well as the YouTube show, Taking the World by Storm, called Speech Center. He does it with me. Go check it out if you haven't. It's John Lovett. How you doing, man? Hi, Tim.

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26.53 - 27.09 Tim Miller

It's good to see you.

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28.111 - 33.444 Jon Lovett

Our show, Speech Center, by the way. Yeah. It's the hit of the channel. It's actually kind of hurting my feelings.

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33.884 - 35.305 Tim Miller

It's the hit of the Love It or Leave It channel?

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35.445 - 36.526 Jon Lovett

Yeah, that's right.

36.867 - 58.103 Tim Miller

I like praise, just as a general matter. But this type of positive feedback is particularly meaningful to me because the other guests you have on the channel are way more famous than me and more talented. You have all these A-list celebrities, people famous on gay TikTok you have on, and you make jokes together, and yet the people still want me. That's nice.

58.483 - 69.444 Jon Lovett

They want you. They want... They want the gay Republican versus gay Democrat anti-Trump. I don't know what you'd call it. The frisson. You know, they want that.

70.425 - 87.26 Tim Miller

They want the kind of faux tension. Right. You know, that we offer. Okay. Well, that's great. I love it. Everyone should check it out if they haven't. Last time you were here on our side of the inner tubes, on the bulwark side, that was one week after the election. You cried famously as covered by Fox News Primetime.

87.461 - 98.969 Jon Lovett

They didn't discover it. You put it in the fucking thumbnail. So they were like Columbus discovering America. You know, it was set up for them. It was ready. So, you know, there's only a couple of times I played on Fox.

Chapter 2: What is the current state of Trump's policies and their impact?

1997.714 - 2009.942 Jon Lovett

That should be our American instinct, which is, no, we don't throw people on a plane to a foreign country without putting them in front of a fucking judge. And until you give us that information, we'll assume you got it wrong because that's what we should do.

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2010.302 - 2029.678 Tim Miller

Yeah. And that's what fucking conservatives should do. It's just like, oh, trust us. The jackbooted thugs can come into... you know, can go onto the street and pull somebody off because they wrote an op-ed. I want to get to the tough scale later, but just like one more thing on this. They're trying to do what you're saying, right? Like where they're trying to chill the criticism, right?

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2029.698 - 2049.2 Tim Miller

Like the spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, Trisha McLaughlin, you know, is like, I quote, is quote, I think she quoted Sam Stein. She's quoted a couple of other people like, oh no, we've got more info than the tattoos. but it's just that. And it's like, okay, well show me, show us the receipts, bring it to a court, bring it to a judge.

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2049.28 - 2071.472 Tim Miller

A judge actually remanded you to not do this until you offered evidence that you flew these people to San Salvador anyway. So like, I mean, like the whole thing is, and it really is like, it's out of a communist like regime. And it's just fundamentally like oppositional to what America is supposed to be about. We've disappeared these people and,

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2072.421 - 2091.498 Tim Miller

And I don't know, man, like the, the pictures that the time magazine reporter and the story that he wrote about this, where it's like, You can't imagine what is happening to the people in these prisons if they were beating Andre. We assume it's Andre. We don't know. I guess maybe there's another gay person that was kidnapped.

2091.918 - 2113.485 Tim Miller

But if it's Andre who's yelling for his mother, imagine how dark of a place you have to be in. It's not helping you to scream out, I'm gay. I'm a barber. I'm gay. This is not me. And crying for your mother. They were doing that in front of a reporter. So, like, imagine what the fuck they're doing to him behind the bars. Yeah, he's still there.

2114.268 - 2132.95 Jon Lovett

He's still there. Night after night. I mean, that is, like... Like this person, right, is now scarred. I mean, just scarred in a way we can't comprehend, right? He just was... By the way, doing everything we said to do, right? Applying legally, following the rules, doing what he was supposed to be doing.

2132.99 - 2143.696 Tim Miller

He got on the app, the CBP1 app. We created an app where you sign yourself up. This guy was not swimming. Not that it would be okay, but it's not like he swam across the Rio Grande or climbed the fence or whatever. He did everything right.

2144.156 - 2345.465 Jon Lovett

And then this is the... It's... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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