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Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon

27 Feb 2025

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The not-so-shadow president's largest Tesla plant is in Shanghai, but the People's Republic of China has the pink slip and can take it back at any time. Meanwhile, China—the world's largest automaker—is working hard to eat into our car industry, and Trump, who fooled enough voters that he was a successful business tycoon, is happily talking about killing subsidies in the critical EV market—except for Tesla of course. Plus, bartender AOC is the best AOC, Bezos is one of the biggest corporate welfare profiteers, and Michael Fanone recounts how he dressed down larping Proud Boy trolls.  Mike Murphy and Michael Fanone join Tim Miller. show notes Mike's EV Politics Project Hacks on Tap podcast Evan Perez story on Kash's very DOGE demand for a remodeled FBI office

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8.427 - 25.816 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We're in carnival season. I'm in my James Carville rugby shirt. It's Muses Thursday. I'm delighted to be here today with a veteran Republican strategist, an OG Never Trumper. He worked for McCain, Schwarzenegger, Romney, Jeb. You might have heard of them.

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25.836 - 41.423 Tim Miller

He's co-host of Hacks on Tap and co-director of Center for the Political Future at USC. He also runs the EV Policy Project, an effort to end the partisan divide over electric vehicles. By now you've figured out it's Mike Murphy. What's going on, man? Hey, man. Good to see you, Tim. Good to see you. It's been too long. Yeah, yeah.

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42.104 - 60.13 Tim Miller

I also have a bonus segment for everybody in segment two, so stick around with Michael Fanone. It was going to be a YouTube-only thing, but Fanone was so good yesterday that the audio people got to hear it too. So stick around for Fanone. Because I know show business, I'm going to start with something here that both of us hate to admit and that the audience will hate to hear.

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60.15 - 73.393 Tim Miller

Does that sound like a good way to start the podcast? Yeah, yeah. Reach for the mute button, America. But... Did you watch any of the cabinet meeting, the four pay-per-view cabinet meeting yesterday? Did you catch any of it?

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73.793 - 93.077 Mike Murphy

I watched about 20 seconds on video before I started thinking about, I started thinking very bad thoughts. I mean, seeing Elon, that man child bouncing around in his Nazi tank commander outfit in the cabinet room of the United States, it just, it snapped me. So I couldn't take any more.

93.277 - 116.373 Tim Miller

All right, well, good. Maybe our listeners will like to hear your opinion because I was about to give a wrong thought, which was the substance was gross. We'll get into that. But boy, I thought the PR was pretty good yesterday. And I just think that Trump... Being in that room, it had kind of a question time British vibe. He was insulting J.D. Vance over in the cuck chair.

116.393 - 138.074 Tim Miller

He was taking all the questions. He seemed like he was kind of in command of the topics. He didn't seem lost. Obviously, he says crazy stuff all the time. It's Trump. But, you know, you have wall-to-wall TV coverage. He's announcing things that I think are good. Again, substance aside, good marketing. Like, five million bucks if you want to come to the country.

138.134 - 153.202 Tim Miller

We'll pay down the debt with five million dollar gold cards. Again, it's Huckster stuff. I just, I was like... it's hard to imagine Biden doing that. It's hard to imagine some of the other folks doing that. And like, you can, even though I find him just like you disgusting, I can only handle that 20 seconds.

153.242 - 158.203 Tim Miller

Like it was a moment where I was like, I can see why people at least can be conned by this.

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