Gavin Newsom
Appearances
Apple News Today
The key Democrats forming a resistance to Trump
Last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, dad, I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no, this morning, wakes up at six up. Then he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Epstein Files Drop Today-But How Much Will They Reveal? (Ep.149)
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast. I'm going to be talking to people directly that I disagree with, as well as people I look up to. But more important than anything else, I'll be talking directly with you, the listener. Real conversations. What's going on with the cost of eggs?
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Epstein Files Drop Today-But How Much Will They Reveal? (Ep.149)
What are the real impacts to you around tariffs? What power does an executive order really have? Und was ist wirklich drin in Doge? Schau, es gibt eine Anzahl von Informationen, die wir nehmen. Also nehmen wir es zu den Ressourcen, ohne den typischen politischen Mumbo-Jumbo. In den ersten Wochen werden wir mit den größten Führern und Architekten im Mega-Movement sitzen. Das ist Gavin Newsom.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
By the way, I knew you were at USC early because my niece, who's graduating... She was the one with the MAGA hat on. She was... By the way, I do have to watch. But she was down there and she was like... You never know.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
I'm aware. She said, this crowd's crazy. And the only reason she said it, she would have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were coming on. The worst part though, Charlie, no BS, true story. Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, dad. I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
He's like, no, no. This morning, wakes up at six up. Then he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did you let him take off school? No, he didn't. Of course not. He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
No, but I know. And I, but I appreciate that. I mean, it's the reason you're here because I think people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've been up to, and the fact that you're on these college campus doors. And to your point, man, you just open up. I mean, you're like, ask me anything. Anything.
Fresh Air
The Political Battle For The Bros
This is Gavin Newsom. And this is Steve Bannon. And this is Michael Savage. And this is Charlie Kirk.
Fresh Air
Best Of: Seth Rogen / Can The Dems Win Back The Bros?
This is Gavin Newsom. And this is Steve Bannon. And this is Michael Savage. And this is Charlie Kirk.
Morning Wire
Fools Gold: Newsom’s Bailouts, Beijing, and Broken California Dream | 3.16.25
Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
We're dealing with a myriad of issues. I was just talking to Josh Green, the governor down in Hawaii. You had some ideas around some land use concerns he has, around speculators coming in, buying up properties and the like. So we're already working with our legal teams to move those things forward. And we'll be presenting those in a matter of days, not just weeks.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
My humble position, and it's not... just being naively optimistic, that only reinforces the imperative moving quickly, doing it in the spirit of collaboration and cooperation. The President of the United States, Donald Trump, to his credit, was helpful in getting the Olympics to the United States of America, to get it down here in L.A. We thank him for that.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
This is an opportunity for him to shine, for this country to shine, for California and this community to shine. The opportunity with all of that and all that opportunity and that pride and spirit that comes from not just hosting those three iconic games and venues, but also the opportunity, I think, to rebuild at the same time. And that's why we're already organizing a Marshall Plan.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
And we're making sure everyone's included, not just the folks on the coast, people here. that were ravaged by this disaster.
PBD Podcast
Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533
Tell us about this Marshall Plan. We're just starting to lay out. I mean, we're still fighting these fires. It's funny. So we're already talking to city leaders. We're already talking to civic leaders. We're already talking to business leaders and nonprofits. We're talking to labor leaders.
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
On April 2nd, the reciprocal tariffs will go into effect. Is it truly reciprocal? Are there some countries that might get a break or some sectors that might get a break?
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
The Democratic brand is toxic right now. We had a high watermark two weeks ago, and that was a CNN poll at 29% favorability. It's dropped in the NBC poll down to 27%. It's one thing to make noise, but you also have to make sense.
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
And I think with this podcast and having the opportunity to dialogue with people I disagree with, it's an opportunity to try to find common ground and not take cheap shots. I'm not looking to put a spoke in the wheel of their, or at least a crowbar in the spokes of their wheel to trip them up to your point. And I think it's important. Democrats tend to be a little more judgmental than we should be.
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
This notion of cancel culture, you've been living it. You've been on the receiving end of it for years and years and years. That's real. And Democrats need to own up to that. Tom.
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
By the way, and last week you had Ezra Klein on, which was incredibly important. He wrote a book called Abundance, which really lays out a very condemning picture of liberal governance in this country and the fact that we are process-focused and not outcome-focused. And your demonstrable example of that is related to what you've tried to do with your damn roof for the last 15 years.
PBD Podcast
Trump’s Third Term Triggers Liberal MELTDOWN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 569
And so it's our job to eliminate as many of those thickets as we can.
PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast. I'm going to be talking to people directly that I disagree with. Ja, Charlie Kerr. Und was passiert wirklich in Doge? Schau, es gibt eine Runde Informationen, die wir nehmen.
PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
Also nehmen wir es zu den Ressourcen, ohne den typischen politischen Mumbo-Jumbo. In den ersten Wochen werden wir mit einigen der größten Leiter und Architekten im Mega-Movement sitzen. Das ist Gavin Newsom.
PBD Podcast
Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525
One of the vaccine issues that was highlighted in the audit was local. And each city and county has different strategies and approaches. We've tried to level set that.
PBD Podcast
Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525
The audit did not surprise me. The state has advanced unprecedented investments. You're correct. And unprecedented interventions demanding more accountability with state money at the local level.
PBD Podcast
Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525
18.
Part Of The Problem
The Dems Are Lost
Well, they've been doing it for decades. I mean, we've saw the welfare queens. They've seen the southern strategy. We've seen it over and over. It's an old playbook. And we're as dumb as we want to be that we allow them to do this with CRT and ESG and DEI and every three-letter word. And then they demonize people. Yeah, demonize, and they weaponize grievance. They other people.
Part Of The Problem
The Dems Are Lost
They talk down to people, pass people. They humiliate people. They weaponize difficult issues. But the problem line is, and I think it goes back to what we began with, is, and I applaud you for this, is we cannot continue to be on the defense reacting to this.
Part Of The Problem
The Dems Are Lost
We've got to go on the offense. We've got to meet people where they are. But I also think this, and this is where, you know— Just pause it already.
Part Of The Problem
The Dems Are Lost
Actually, I think it's one of the reasons we're losing so many men. And again, it's multi-ethnic. It's not just white men. We're losing them. We're losing them to these guys online. We're losing people that I'm bringing on this podcast as well. These are bad guys, though. These are bad guys. But they exist. And we could deny they exist. They exist. Not only do they exist, they persist.
Part Of The Problem
The Dems Are Lost
I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny? I think there's a lot of that, but I don't think it's exclusively that.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Yeah, I mean, these are precisely the kinds of things. There are thousands and thousands of things that happen, some big, some small, some you read about, some you never know about, some you experience, something someone else experiences, all part of an AAP, which is the after-action report that we put out.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
In fact, I encourage people, I was just looking at the Woolsey after-action report, and there were a lot of good lessons learned from that. Of course, we had fires in November down here, fires in December down here, went so far, the Franklin scar that actually was, we were able to hold the line. That's around the Franklin scar right there. That was because it was burned just recently in December.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
So all those things are analyzed. But let me just say this on the technology. We have people all around the world coming to California because we're leaders in technology. on artificial intelligence. We did a procurement sprint called RFI2, where we're literally doing sandbox. We changed the whole procurement strategy on how we adopt technology and we pay for performance.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We have a program called Technosilver, which does predictive mapping, fire risk systems. We have a DOD contract work for years and years, finally got into the Biden administration for satellite technology, drone technology, and surveillance. All of these alert cameras, 1,000 plus AI alert cameras that are calling before 911. Someone calls 911 to get to early suppression.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
As I say, double traditional workforce as it relates to boots on the ground. We have 2,000 more firefighters that are in the budget for the next few years. We put out a forest management plan with 99 specific actions to address vegetation management, forest management. $4 billion to back that up, $2.5 billion that's been spent, $1.5 billion that's in this year's new budget.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And on that, 100%, I'm not making this up, we had a big press conference a few months ago on this, 100% of those 99 actions are either adopted or are being adopted. We waived CEQA and environmental rules as it relates to getting defensible spaces. We've tried to move heaven and earth.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
as it relates to forest fire, forest management, vegetation management, et cetera, to support locals and to address the anxiety people have. We had the National Guard doing hand crew work here on day one. We call them the rattlesnake teams.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I got 855 National Guard as we speak working not just the lines on the fire, but also offline doing traffic management and supporting and supplementing a lot of the police force. But again, technology is a big part of this. We're not just running
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
The old fire strategies were leaders in adaptation and adoption, and a lot of that at scale at the state level, not fully implemented, to your point, at the local level, but that's starting to change, and we're seeing a lot of the private sector, not just the public sector, begin to advance some partnerships that maintain a state-of-the-art mindset.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Yeah, I was just talking to both legislative leaders today. We were text exchanging because we had lousy cell service up there. And we're going to get together on whether we need to do that. I'm already working on the executive orders. We're looking to codify some of the executive orders through legislative action. Do we need a special session to do that? Or we can do it in regular session.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I'm open to either. I'm happy to do whatever moves the needle forward. We already have tracks on insurance. in the state's fair plan, reinsurance. I got to track on utilities, what this means to the utility sector more broadly. Obviously, we're investigating responsibility, culpability. Is it arson? Is it a public power agency? Is it a private power agency?
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
All those things are being determined in real time. We're working on a recovery posture as it relates to if an atmospheric river comes here in the next few weeks, floods and mitigations as it relates to hazardous waste, traffic management. All teams are running these parallel tracks in real time as, again, we're trying to suppress these five fires.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
There was an estimate of $5.9 billion, which I think you're referring to. These are back-of-the-envelope estimates. Wall Street Journal did some $57 billion. People haven't even been in. I just got an area that no one, trust me, had been in. So I don't know how the hell you've assessed all the damage. It's some aerial assessments and there's damage happening in real time. But they're catastrophic.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
The number of buildings still estimated. I mean, it's well north of 10,000, 12,000, 15,000. I mean, it changes by the hour. Structures. And what's a structure? Is it a full home or is it an ADU? Is it, you know, what is exactly? So all that's going to be stress test. Here's the concern.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
You've had an insurance market all across the country, not even unique to California, that has been stretched and impacted by climate change. Let's just be candid. And the inability in some states like California to do climate modeling as it relates to rate structures as well. We've made reforms in the last year to include climate modeling.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We've made some reforms, ironically, that just last week... led to, and this is not my words, led to, they announced because of the reforms, led to a new insurer going into Paradise, California to reinsure people there that have already recovered and moved back in. So we're finally making progress on that and obviously this is going to set us back. That said, FairPlan has a reinsurance plan.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
It reimburses anywhere from 30 to 90% depending on the size of the claim. There's a socialization as it relates to the fair plan. It's not a state plan. It's not a public plan. It's run through this insurance, this pool of which the current insurers market participate. And so there may be a bleed into the pockets of those and we'll see the impacts more broadly the rates across the state.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
You have a lot of higher end homes. that were insured not by your traditional California insurers, but by international insurers. That's also being assessed. All of that is happening real time. Like I said, we have a whole team just on the insurance market looking at utilities.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Remember, in Paradise, it led to the bankruptcy of PG&E, the largest investor-owned utility in the United States of America, where we created a new fund under SB 1054, a wildlife fund, which we're also stress testing right now. All of these things, again, in real time.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
So, you know, all this legislation I just signed and I'm glad he exercised it. And he also called. for a voluntary extension of that for an additional six months. We want to get into the commercial sector as well. So that was timely that we at least were able to do that.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
So anyone that did lose their home, they cannot cancel your insurance, legally cannot cancel your insurance for a minimum of a year. Again, we'd love to see that extended, and we may need to look at legislation. Again, trying to find the balance between market pressures, realities, and costs, meaning the burden on the monthly plans. So, look, people were pulling back, seen it across the country.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Rates here, I mean, it's ironic. California has, and trust me, I'm on the receiving end. I lost one of our homes, which is in the WUI. We're on the fair plan because we lost private insurance. We pay more than the mortgage on the property just for insurance, and it's significantly underinsured.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Got it. So I intimately understand the challenges of this. That said, the market was beginning to stabilize again. Farmers made announcements. They were moving back in. So all of this, we need to unpack and figure out what it's going to do in the market. But adjustments will need to be made.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And again, we'll move quickly since we're back in session, be it a special session or regular session, and drive this.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And the executive order I did a year ago where we talked about the prospect of allowing forward-thinking climate modeling for the first time to allow for rates to be established and also working the insurance commissioner led this effort, it requires if you're entering the market and you're going to increase rates a certain percent, that you have to insure within these WUI areas.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
So there's an actual prescriptive requirement that requires in return for any rate increases a comparable commitment to actually insure and not just run out of the market. So again, this is the balance. You've seen it all throughout the United States, obviously in the South, the impacts of these hurricanes, a place like Florida, the rates are off the charts.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
California is ironically a little below the national average. No one feels that way. I certainly don't as a rate payer. This obviously is going to impact all that. Look, it's going to impact, we have tax collection issues, property tax issues. We're putting our budget together. Clearly the IRS under a major disaster declaration is going to extend taxes.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We'll have to conform with that appropriately in the state of California. So you're going to budgeting a little differently with economic. This is a tentpole economy in the state, among the tentpoles, in a state that's a tentpole of the U.S. economy, the fifth largest economy, $3.86 trillion a year economy, where, by the way,
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
economy started to boom again, our revenues, we just announced today of $16.5 billion. From what we projected just six months ago, that was announced today, in terms of the top line. And so this comes at an inopportune time. And obviously, with the transition and power in Washington, DC, so a lot of challenges.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Well, it's the new reality. I mean, we say it all the time. The hots are getting hotter. Dries are getting drier. Wets are getting a lot wetter. These atmospheric rivers, you know, just these just rain bombs. that we're all experiencing. We have changed everything. I mean, I've put out a new water management plan in the state of California.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We fund it with billions and billions of unprecedented investments in infrastructure. In that space, got to change conveyance, got to change the way you capture water, not just above ground, but below ground. We've got to change some of our environmental rules, which we've been proactive about. And that's constant challenge. And that's, again, what Donald Trump was speaking to specifically.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Good to be with you under difficult circumstances.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We may have more in common than he thinks. We may have a lot less in common in other ways than he thinks on that.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Yeah, I mean, we... the simplicity to which he marks uh this it's i it's on it's a deeper dive though i think you did a pretty damn you did a master class on this i think it was yesterday oh yeah we learned all about the smell yeah no so i i just i would refer to the previous podcast which you know so we don't have to uh try it on on all grounds here uh but but that's what trump's doing and um
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And these are golden oldies going back decades and decades in California. But it's not a binary. I want more flexibility. I'm ready to work with anyone in terms of modernization. Back to the point, not just on infrastructure as it relates to capturing water, but recognizing we have to change the way we design and build our communities. Ingress, egress.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
redundancy systems perfect example what that letter represents to understand what's going on by the way that letter wasn't just for this it was for every other community and what's going on what other similarly situated communities are there i mean if there's no there's we no one denies this there is no fire season if someone says that it's become laughable
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I just said, I reminded everyone, we just had the Franklin Fire in December. We had the Mountain Fire in November, just down here in Southern California. There hasn't been any meaningful rain since last May. And here we are in January with the prospects the next 10 days. It's been dry. It's 72 degrees out here. And so that's reality. You should deal with reality. And so you're going to rebuild.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
You've got to rebuild, as the president said today, better in the context of materials. And we need to reward better construction with lower rates for insurance. We've got to design our communities with public safety in mind. And that's what we learned in Paradise, which had a PO box to your question of should we move into the WUI that goes back to the gold rush. Who came first?
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And so you tell communities that have been around since the beginning of this state being around, you've got to vacate because now you're too proximate in a world of climate change to the beauty and the majesty of the state. So it's tough, but obviously land use has to radically be rethinked.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Well, we've been hammering, hammering the last six years on... reforming housing and reforming our regulatory system. I created a housing accountability unit because I wasn't satisfied. 540 actions, tens of thousands of units we've unlocked. We're suing cities because they're not zoning.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
They're not building housing fast enough, not even market rate housing, let alone workforce housing and low income housing. And so we're going to continue to drive accountability. In fact, we strengthened our accountability rules and regulations last year. We're reforming our environmental rules. As I said, 42 CEQA reforms, but specific to your question around this rebuild, the executive orders.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We run executive orders. I want to work with the legislature to codify those executive orders. Time value to construction. Get the permits. State Deal with all of those, create a specific timeline, making it up. We're working on the exact date, so don't hold me to it. 120 days. Get the permit.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And do it in a way that we've done it with the experience at hand in other communities that have been severely ravaged by wildfires. I remind you, Tubbs, 5,600 units impact. And we're rebuilding that community, 18,000 in Paradise. So we know how to do this. We've done it in the past. We learn, we iterate, but the scale of this is gonna require us to be better and do better.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And I'm not waiting back to doing everything at once. We are gonna be making announcements quite literally in the next few days to specifically answer that question through the executive authority that's vested in me and then get to work with the legislature in this legislative session.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
That's not in our DNA. It's just not in our DNA. Look, maybe it's nature and nurture, five generations. I grew up in San Francisco. The flag of San Francisco is the phoenix, phoenix rising. I mean, San Francisco pre-1906 versus San Francisco today? We built back stronger, better, more vibrant, more dominant in every category, every way, shape or form, our spirit, sense of pride, purpose, mission.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And that's exactly what's gonna happen down here. I mean, I told you, the campfire, there was no way that was ever gonna be repopulated. The fact that kids are back in school, We never turned our back on those folks.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We'll never turn our back on the folks down here, not just here on the coast, but those folks and that very diverse community near Pasadena and Altadena and those communities that have been impacted by the Eden fire. We will be back. We have their back. I was with the FEMA director today. I want that disasterassistance.gov at disasterassistance.gov.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
anyone that's been impacted go to that we've got this major disaster declaration i always said to the fema no one's going to you're not turning your back in the short run we want you back i don't care what the administration is they still have by the way a fema office from 1994
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
related to impacts uh here in disasters in 1994 and we're actually expanding that office in pasadena for being the new female office today they never left we're not going to turn our back we're not leaving governor newsome thank you uh thanks for joining pod save america thanks for having me it's a busy day thank you sorry about everything happening man
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
He's been pretty straightforward about that. He's tried to do it in the past. He's not just done it here in California. He's done it in states all across the country. I mean, he did it in Puerto Rico. He did it even in Utah. I didn't think. In Connecticut, in other states, Georgia, he got upset and withheld emergency dollars.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
In 2018, even before I was governor of California, he tried to withhold money down in Orange County until apparently a staff member, and this has been well reported, staff member said there were a lot of Trump supporters, and he decided to change his mind. And so the rhetoric is very familiar, and it's increasingly acute, and obviously we all have reason to be concerned about it.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Well, I mean, look, what the president-elect was saying about State Water Project and the Delta smelt somehow being culpable of, you know, somehow leading to some of the challenges that we face down here was, it's words, it's a salad. It's the form and substance of fog. It's made up. It's delusional. And it's a consistent mantra from Trump going back years and years and years.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And it's reinforced over and over and over within the right wing. And so it's become gospel. And it's so profoundly ignorant. And yet he absolutely believes it. It's not an ignorance on his part. It's sort of an indelible misinformation that he sort of manifested. a falsehood, and he decided to bring it into this crisis. in a profoundly demeaning and damaging way.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I say demeaning to the facts, demeaning to the people that were suffering and struggling, to the kids, literally, who were watching their schools burn down. I was just talking to a staff member, a good friend, whose house was burned down and whose four-year-old, as they're driving away, said, Daddy, do you remember, did you get my bunny? And, you know, I got four kids.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
No empathy, no compassion, no capacity to even to understand. Just a guy wants to be understood. And yeah, that's hard because a lot of people were misled.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And it's, I think, led to a lot of finger pointing and consternation at a time when we're quite literally, and I say literally because second before I was here, I just got the latest briefing, we're bringing cadaver dogs out there in some parts of the fire where people are still potentially missing and we've already lost 11 lives.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
You always have to have some humility and grace as it relates to that question. And I'm very self-critical in that respect. And so we, in every incident, do an after-action report. And we will take a sober and reflective look at that. But let's just look at the facts. Just in the last few years I've been governor, we've close to doubled the investments in CAL FIRE, the state firefighting force.
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Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Close to doubled the number of personnel We've increased the size of our aerial fleet by 16 new helicopters. We were finally able to get from the Pentagon seven C-130s. We got the first one up there. You saw it up there in the CAL FIRE flag on this fire. We had pre-positioned Saturday our State Office of Emergency Service.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We all got together before this event, days before the event, and we agreed to pre-position in six counties here in Southern California, hundreds and hundreds of assets. Let me be specific about that. On Sunday, we had 110 engines, hundreds of personnel, specialty crews, dozers, water tenders, helicopters. We pre-positioned them strategically in multiple counties.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
And because we had pre-positioned them, they were first on the scene. Many of these people supplementing the resources of this local fire department, dealing with overwhelming winds in this overwhelming fire that I happened to be present at within its first few hours and saw firsthand the hurricane winds and the embers going as far as two miles. That was overwhelming for the thousands of people
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
that were down there fighting them concurrent, not just here in the Palisades, with the fire out there at Eaton and some other fires. Five current active fires that we're dealing with today, 12,000 personnel currently working, 175 engines that have come from five different states.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We have people from around the world offering resources, notably from Canada and Mexico, and we're putting everything we have at it.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
it may be the absolute explanation but there's so much mistrust and finger pointing let's just get the facts and let's get them out quickly let's stop the finger pointing let's just assess the truth i'm not interested in who's to blame i want to know what happened it's a perfectly plausible analysis on the basis of personal experience with some of the biggest fires in u.s history the tubs fire what happened at the campfire what happened in maui
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
uh that you get systems that are completely tapped out and overwhelmed they weren't designed for these level of fires and so that explanation is the one that sort of almost i won't say universally uh but i bet if you talk to nine out of ten of the folks that are out here at the command they would subscribe to that point of view others are saying no it was the pump that went down it's the pipes it was the electricity um so let's just get the facts it's dwp
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
that ran this system, and we want to make sure this never happens again. Do we need more redundancy? Do we need to harden? I remember as mayor of San Francisco, we did a bond to significantly upgrade our infrastructure because we're concerned about a catastrophic earthquake and how that could overwhelm our pumping and fire suppression system.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
So we want to determine all those facts, not on the basis, again, of finger pointing and assigning blame, but accountability, and we want transparency.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Of course. I want to know the answers. So I'm the governor of California. I want to know the answer. I've got that question. I can't tell you about how many people. What happened? on my own team saying, what happened? And I want to get the answers. And I'll be candid with you, I wasn't getting straight answers. I watched the press conference. I met with some of those leaders.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We had my team start talking to local leaders saying what's going on.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I was getting different answers. And so for me, that's not a story. When you start getting different answers, then I'm not getting the actual story. And they're assessing it. And I get that as well. You have a little bit of grace, back to the point. We're in this emergency environment and everything else. So I just want to determine the facts. But no one has any patience anymore.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
In this weaponized, back to the grievance of Trump, everyone else, people, there's immediacy. And lies travel the proverbial world. And it's hard to get the facts out there unless you have the backing of those facts. and you can communicate them soberly. And so that's what we're trying to achieve as it relates to this. But I have 10 other things we're doing concurrently as well.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I mean, across the board on recovery, on disaster assistance, getting the major disaster declaration. It may be the first one in US history over a text. with the White House within literally 36 hours to get 100% reimbursement for folks out here. We've been working concurrently in all of these areas.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
We're doing executive orders as I speak as it relates to recovery and land use, dealing with speculation and fraud and trying to address issues on the Coastal Commission here and address the issue of planning permits and how we address all of the myriad of needs for small businesses, all of this in real time.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
as the state, even though this is not a state responsibility, are to support the city and the county that are overwhelmed at this moment.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I literally can't judge it. I don't know when she left Ghana. I can't assess that. It's not, and I mean this like, at peril, my response appears to be political, because I literally do not know when she left. I know when she came back.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
I know that when I was on the scene a few hours after the original 10 Acres was announced that her team was on the phone and we were coordinating and we were hand in glove in that respect and I was grateful for that and I felt confident in the command response and the team that was assembled at the site.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
That said, I was not confident on the basis of the hurricane winds that we were experiencing that we were going to be successful in saving a lot. of those homes for one reason that the firefighters were coming down saying, our focus right now is creating safety corridors. Our focus right now is saving lives and making sure people get out. Then we focus on property and then we'll get to perimeter.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
because of the acuity, the extreme, unprecedented hurricane force winds and how they were swirling in every conceivable direction. This is not a big deal at all, but we went up to one of the canyons on the fire, sitting there feeling we're,
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
a good quarter mile away, I'm not making this up, video to bear it out, all of a sudden we see an ember, hits the tree, tree goes on fire, 100 seconds, God is my witness, may have been 90 seconds, the house is in flames, I have embers of flames, they're taking it off my hair, and we're running back into the car. Winds are swirling around, garbage cans were in the air,
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
and we were getting the hell out of there. That's how quick, and we were with experts. We were the leaders with the force who said, we're good, we just want to take you close, keep you safe, and all of a sudden they were like, they all said, never experience anything. In January, in January, And I remind people that. Drought, you know, everybody, how dare you bring up drought? Well, it's real.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
But plenty of water down here. I mean, all the reservoirs, more than full. Though this one reservoir, this local reservoir, that's part of the inquiry, that was something that wasn't communicated originally. That was one of the reasons to answer the question of your friend and others as well about getting straight answers that triggered me saying, enough.
Pod Save America
Breaking: Gavin Newsom On the LA Fires
Let's get these facts and let's get them out today.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
839. Andy & DJ CTI: Gavin Newsom Trump-Proofs California, Trump Demolishes Far-Left Reporter & Leaked Document About Immigration Enforcement
You can get down to L.A. in two and a half hours, $55. In California, we're still debating a high-speed rail. What a joke. Finally, California is going to get it right with this new high-speed rail. I personally have been supportive of the high-speed rail project since my time as mayor of the city and county of San Francisco. The project is no longer a $33 billion project.
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
839. Andy & DJ CTI: Gavin Newsom Trump-Proofs California, Trump Demolishes Far-Left Reporter & Leaked Document About Immigration Enforcement
The project's years and years behind. The project's wildly over budget. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. We can get phase one done, which in essence is from Bakersfield to Silicon Valley. We do have the capacity to complete a high-speed rail link between Merced and Bakersfield. Now I know, I know some critics are gonna say, well, that's a train to nowhere. We have a real federal partner,
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
839. Andy & DJ CTI: Gavin Newsom Trump-Proofs California, Trump Demolishes Far-Left Reporter & Leaked Document About Immigration Enforcement
Their high-speed rail system, an incredible opportunity to finish the work. High-speed rail was mentioned. $4.2 billion has been requested of the legislature to finish the job. Someone who's all in on high-speed rail. The high-speed rail, not as a rail project, but an economic development project. $3.6 billion. It's about damn time we have a high-speed rail system.
Stuff You Should Know
Selects: How the Flu Works
I pay attention to Newsmax, One American News. I don't turn my back to the critics, but there is a sort of California derangement syndrome out there. that is just sort of ridiculous. This notion that this is the only state that has challenges, it's just comedic, but it's damaging. We record-breaking tourism last year. We have a surplus again. We have a state with population growing again.
Stuff You Should Know
Selects: How the Flu Works
You wouldn't know that. That's not prevalent. It's not part of the discussion.
Stuff You Should Know
Selects: How the Flu Works
It's been a gulf in the fires. It's, you know, it's a failed state, you know, California. But for me, you know, it's a pride for me, again, as a guy who lives here and cares about the state, is to make a case anew for it. And I'm a little Clinton-y about it. There's nothing wrong with it. It can't be fixed by what's right with it.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2161 - NASA Astronauts Return, Trump Brokers Putin CEASEFIRE?!
I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny? I think there's a lot of that, but I don't think it's exclusively that.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2161 - NASA Astronauts Return, Trump Brokers Putin CEASEFIRE?!
When you talk to a guy like Steve Bannon, you know, he reminded me a little bit of my grandfather when he talks about working folks and he talks about how we hollowed out the industrial core of this country. I understand that. But so we can dismiss the notion of election denialism. We could completely dismiss what he did on January 6th. But I don't think you can dismiss what he's saying.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2161 - NASA Astronauts Return, Trump Brokers Putin CEASEFIRE?!
Reminds me a lot of what Bernie Sanders was saying. Reminds me a lot of what Democrats said 20, 30 years ago.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2153 - The Democratic Collapse CONTINUES!
Would you do something like that? Would you say no men and female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.
The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2153 - The Democratic Collapse CONTINUES!
And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
Last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, dad. I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no. This morning, wakes up at 6 something. He's like, I'm coming.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
He literally would not leave the house. Did you let him to take off school? No, he didn't. Of course not. He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point. You canceled school for like two years. Once one year, it took one day. The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent. Thank you. I'm kidding.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level. Clearly that's expressed by my 13-year-old son. I want to meet this guy.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
Would you do something like that? Would you say no men and female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
You know, what's going on? Cozying up to Steve Bannon is not a way to... What he does by doing that is he forfeits his ability to inspire and protect the very people that elected him. We need leadership, you know, and if...
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
It's a cause of concern to see him, this brave governor, suddenly get silent and not step up, not immediately come to the rescue of the people here and say, no, this isn't going to happen. We have laws to prevent this from happening.
The Brett Cooper Show
Democrats Are Rebranding, And It’s Insufferable | Episode 17
No, you're not going to learn any lessons from Steve Bannon about why Democrats lost.
The Bulwark Podcast
Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast. I'm going to be talking to people directly that I disagree with, as well as people I look up to. But more important than anything else, I'll be talking directly with you, the listener. Real conversations. What's going on with the cost of eggs?
The Bulwark Podcast
Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon
What are the impacts, real impacts to you around tariffs? What power does an executive order really have? And what's really going on inside of Doge? Look, there's an onslaught of information that we take in. So let's take it to the sources without the typical political mumbo jumbo.
The Bulwark Podcast
Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon
In the first few weeks, we're going to be sitting down with some of the biggest leaders and architects in the mega movement. This is Gavin Newsom.
The Bulwark Podcast
Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon
that you have the power to call up any one or all of the people seated at this table and issue orders that they're bound to follow?
The Bulwark Podcast
Mike Murphy: The Chinese Own Elon
No exceptions. Well, let's see. Let me think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She'll have an exception.
The Bulwark Podcast
Ron Brownstein: Don't Take the Bait
never in california questioned whether or not we as taxpayers in the largest state in the union should support the people louisiana at a time of emergency and need we never conditioned it we never talked about putting the full fate in credit of the united states of america with the debt ceiling bill see if we can get tax cuts for billionaires and corporations that don't need it and then put at risk the lives of hundreds of thousands of americans that happen to live in california
The Bulwark Podcast
Ron Brownstein: Don't Take the Bait
a state with millions and millions of Trump supporters, Speaker Johnson and Mr. President-elect. Millions of your supporters are out here. They need your help. They need your empathy. They need your care.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Trans Pervert Mafia Will Fight To the Bitter End
But it's a natural reaction. I think it's one of the reasons we're losing so many men. And again, it's multi-ethnic. It's not just white men. We're losing them. We're losing them to these guys online. We're losing people that I'm bringing on this podcast as well. These are bad guys, though. These are bad guys. But they exist. And we could deny they exist. They exist.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Trans Pervert Mafia Will Fight To the Bitter End
Not only do they exist, they persist. And they're actually influencing young kids every single day.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Trans Pervert Mafia Will Fight To the Bitter End
I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny? I think there's a lot of that, but I don't think it's exclusively that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Trans Pervert Mafia Will Fight To the Bitter End
I think this notion of I think it's this notion of toxicity and masculinity needs to be separated. And I think it's been conflated. And I think we're going to have to work on that a little bit. And I think there's look, there is a crisis. I think some of us scare them.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
What is masculine about a podcast? Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere, this bro podcast stuff.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
I like what you said about BlackRock.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
I think. And then turning around and renting.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
This is a huge problem across the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
We've had one. It didn't get very far last year. And there's more conversations.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
I don't know. I mean, we funded, but I'm not sure that's one of the courses. See, the fact that you don't know. Well, I don't know every single damn course.
The Charlie Kirk Show
How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez
Well, the fact that a lot of people have explored different disciplines. That's fine.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
How about the book ban stuff? On a serious note, 4,240 books or titles, libraries and schools are banned in 2023. Is that not as a conservative? Well, it depends.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Fair point. Okay.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
All right. Well, there were some other books. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Does that include the Bible?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, but I mean, some have made that point. Is that a fair point?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
And as a man of faith, and I deeply admire that about you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
But again, what it seems a banning binge, I mean, at next level sort of cancel.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I love moms, but this moms, I mean, we don't have to get into Moms for Liberty. I mean, you brought up the book bands, though. Deeply organized for a larger agenda, but that's my humble opinion. No, but I...
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I know. I just have a problem with, you know, who the hell is going to decide that government? I mean, Doron DeSantis is going to decide what I can read or say in the boardroom and the classroom.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I mean, I'm not saying that there's some sort of— We've got a stress test where the Bible's including that. I don't even want to go forward anymore on this. No, it's tough, but this becomes a dialectic.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, I mean, it's a provocative— I don't think it's fair. I don't mean to offend, but I deeply— Don't mean offend. By the way, if Father Kaz would be offended with me. If you think the Bible is pornographic. Most of these books are quote unquote not pornographic. There's sections that can offend.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Some would agree on that. Can I just say one other thing?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, they can. They just can't get fired for not doing that. And it wasn't just trans. They can't get fired for not doing that. The law was explicit, said you can't be fired. for not snitching on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay. And my point is, how in the hell are you telling parents snitching? No, the teachers themselves have the right. They can do that. They can do that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
We're not saying you can't do that. We're saying you shouldn't be fired if you choose not to say Johnny was talking about liking some other boy or something. It's not charitable. It's actual. The freedom not to.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I want these kids to teach. I want these teachers to teach. And by the way, they feel like the health or safety of their kid. They have a responsibility to communicate that they still can. By the way, we're not selling these teachers. They can't. We're saying they won't be fired if they don't look around and say in the recess, there were two boys. Why didn't you see that? You're fired. You're
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
But the extreme example, this was a solution in search of a problem.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
So much extreme.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
But, but, but I am one of those guys and child, I appreciate it. And I, by the way, appreciate the civility, which we're engaged in this conversation sincerely. I don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on principle. It's one of those things. Everything's not political is the point. And sometimes the principle, and by the way, mad respect for you on abortion and same-sex marriage.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I hold you for the American people don't agree with me. Exactly. But I admire that on principle. But for me, it's not just political. And I appreciate you making that point. I deeply am mindful of the politics of this. which are very unhelpful. Personally, it's unhelpful. More broadly, professionally, the Democratic Party and our brand.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
And one of the reasons, to your point, the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, I appreciate. But I also appreciate you hold deeply unpopular beliefs.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
But you're not running for office.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I don't drink, but yeah. You don't drink at all? By the way, that's interesting. You don't? Never have? I have, yeah. What happened? A couple years ago, you stopped? I stopped, yeah. Why'd you stop?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
What were you drinking? Napa Valley wine. Oh, Jesus Christ. Here we go. I'm going to stop using my Lord and Savior in vain like that, man. By the way, forgive me. I deeply respect you. And by the way, do respect your faith. I'm serious. It's like the fourth time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
By the way, you're talking to someone who's never supported the defund police movement. I was explicit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I have to go back to my Prop 13. No, no, no. You're smart. Prop 16. I taught 960 SAT, so a little humility. Hold on. You're the governor of the largest state in the country. No, no, no.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I've been in California since 1996. It's at Prop 209. Okay.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, it's not good.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Yes. I was talking about the importance of never. Well, I can't help you with a reservation. I get such a kick out of this whole shtick. I got to be honest. Very nice. By the way, we couldn't have this conversation with that conversation.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. By the way, you guys weaponized that. I saw that on 25 things. It was the most ridiculous. That was, you know what? I will happily, happily revert back to your counterpoint, weaponized, in this case, weaponized. In this case, the weapon. Can I guess the Xi Jinping streets back? It was ridiculous.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
By the way, it was AIPAC who had dozens and dozens of foreign leaders. And California is not San Francisco. But I'm the governor of California. I'm not the mayor of California. I'm not the mayor of San Francisco.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, and I appreciate. But like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men and female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. So it's deeply unfair.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not relaxing with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone with four kids, you've got two daughters, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Two daughters and a wife that went, God forbid, to Stanford and played on the junior national soccer team and a guy who got into college only because I was left handed and could throw a baseball a little bit or hit the hit the ball for a little bit. So I revere sports. And so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I saw that the last couple of years.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Boy, did I saw how you guys were able to weaponize that issue at another level. Not weaponize. Weaponize may be pejorative. You're right. But you were able to... Shine a light on? Highlight it in a way that, frankly, I... There are not that many. We're talking about, I think, the NC2A, what, 510,000?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, so I'm going to, let me step back, say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue? No, I get it. At the same time, deal with the unfairness.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, I agree with you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
I agree. By the way, I agree with you. I agree with you. And it's interesting. I stress tested this, Charlie. I was wondering. You know, in California, and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ places, as you know, back in 2004 was marrying same-sex couples. And I know we have different opinions on marriage equality. And so I've been at this for years and years. I take a bad seat to no one.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
But I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded. I'm trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NCAA, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes. But how profound, and even my own friend cohort, people saying, what the hell is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen?
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
So in 2000, turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a law established that established the legal principles that allow trans athletes in women's sports. But the issue of fairness is completely legit. So I completely align with you. And we've got to own that. We've got to acknowledge it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
And I'll say that through the prism of politics, because you disagree with same sex marriage on principle. And so I'm not. And by the way, I value the fact that you're not trying to walk away from that principle because electorally. I'm in the minority of that. Yeah, in the minority. And I don't want to walk away from this principle because it's electoral, but it is an issue of fairness.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
And I think Democrats have lost that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
No, and this, I want to hear this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom
Last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, dad, I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no, this morning, wakes up at six up. Then he's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did you let him take off school? No, he didn't. Of course not.
The Charlie Kirk Show
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He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point.
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Once one day, it took one day. The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent.
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When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level. Clearly that's expressed by my 13-year-old son.
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I actually, by the way, if you should be concerned. But let me say here, here is why I'm concerned, because you have expressed that I should be concerned as a Democrat. That we're getting clobbered.
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That you've figured something out.
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No, no, hold on. You were at this before Trump was Trump. No, I know, but he- He was a Democrat back in 2011 and 12.
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For you, that's what you sort of attached an identity with.
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Right. And so just and I don't want to belabor the issues of the establishment plot called higher education. Some have not you refer to it, though. Maybe you align yourself. I wrote a whole book called The College Scan.
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So it's sort of in sort of stress testing that in the context of some would argue the contra argument is, you know, a million dollars more in lifetime earnings, more likely to get married, less likely to get divorced, more likely to be civically engaged and longer life spans. with college degrees. And you would say to that.
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Is that an actual degree there?
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I don't know. I mean, we fucked in front of that chair.
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Well, I don't know every single damn course.
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Well, the fact that a lot of people have explored different disciplines. That's fine. It's just the taxpayers shouldn't have to fund it. Well, I mean, increasingly individuals are funding, as you know, as it relates to the talk about the inversion of how we fund education.
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Look, and by the way, just FYI, having just put together a career master plan, we had a master plan in the state of California that created the UC systems, the CSUs and the community college system half century ago. We've applied the same discipline to a career master plan in the state of California. And so I'm completely aligned with you.
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in terms of a focus and energy there, and looking at pre-apprentice apprenticeships, looking not even at apprenticeships in the traditional sense, but valuing and highlighting and signaling the value of a life without a degree, et cetera. So I'm not as far off on this as you are. That said, I've got to admire what you've been able to do, not to weaponize,
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but to organize on these college campuses a different point of view. And again, let's talk about some of that. When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level. Clearly that's expressed by my 13-year-old son.
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By the way, if you did... You should be concerned. But let me say, here is why I'm concerned, because you have expressed that I should be concerned as a Democrat. That we're getting clobbered.
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No, no, hold on. You were at this before Trump was Trump. No, I know, but he... He was a Democrat back in 2011 and 12.
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For you, that's what you sort of attached the identity with him.
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But go back just on that, because I'm curious. In 2012, 13, 14, who were you identifying with from the movement perspective?
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And when Trump came down that escalator, you're like, boom, not day one.
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Why? Just saying this guy's there's no chance.
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Right. But you didn't expect Donald Trump to come down the escalator and start talking about illegal aliens or, you know, rapists.
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So Trump then became the catalyst. And so turning point became sort of next level. Your events start growing. You organize around that. Turning point action becomes what?
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And you're not modeling yourself at anything because the flatness of the surrounding terrain, meaning where the Democrats are looking at other organizing organizations.
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And so what do you see? Just I mean, I sort of talked about the flatness of the surrounding terrain, meaning the Democratic Party's party in some respect as it relates to appreciate your point about organizing, but also coercion versus, you know, sort of forcing people to vote versus an enthusiasm and a desire to actually proactively get out.
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I totally I appreciate that. And so what what do you see right now? I mean, you know, we you I think you talked about it the other day. A lot of folks were talking about that Carville incident. article where he talked about... Roll over and play dead?
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I think it was a strategic retreat, right? That we need to come back. Trump's starting to implode. His numbers are getting soft. This was even before the tariff issues, et cetera. And then come back and strike when hot. And I...
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Immediately, nobody else thought about you, who's just 24-7 flooding the zone, back to my 13-year-old, owning this space, every day getting a convert, every day picking up one, two, 10,000 folks, continuing the momentum, coming out of this damn election. And then I'm thinking about, we're going to stand back and watch you run circles around us for six months, the next two or three years?
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By the way, I knew you were at USC early because my niece, who's graduating. She was the one with the MAGA hat on. By the way, I do have to watch. But she was down there, and she was like...
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What are the videos? What are the ones that are most cringy?
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What do you do? What do you do? Seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us some better ideas, governor.
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No, and I appreciate. But, like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. It's deeply unfair.
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I'm aware. She said, this crowd's crazy. And the only reason she said it, she would have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were coming on. The worst part, though, Charlie, no BS, true story. Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, Dad. I just, what time? What time is Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13.
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I can see you wrestling with it. No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not wrestling with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone with four kids, you've got two daughters, right?
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I have a daughter, too. And a wife that went, God forbid, to Stanford and played on the junior national soccer team and a guy who got into college only because I was left-handed and could throw a baseball a little bit or hit the ball for a little bit. So I revere sports. And so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I saw that the last couple of years.
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Boy, did I saw how you guys were able to weaponize that issue at another level. Not weaponize. Weaponize may be pejorative. You're right. But you were able to... Shine a light on? Highlight it in a way that, frankly, I... There are not that many. We're talking about, I think, the NC2A, what, 510,000?
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No, so let me step back, say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
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So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue? No, I get it. At the same time, deal with the unfairness.
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And it's interesting. I stress tested this, Charlie. I was wondering. You know, in California, and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ places, as you know, back in 2004 was marrying same-sex couples. And I know we have different opinions on marriage equality. And so I've been at this for years and years. I take a bad seat to no one.
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But I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded. Trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NCAA, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes. But how profound, and even my own friend cohort, people saying, what the hell is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen?
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So in 2000, turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a law established that established the legal principles that allow trans athletes in women's sports. But the issue of fairness is completely legit. So I completely align with you. And we've got to own that. We've got to acknowledge it.
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I don't say that through the prism of politics because you disagree with same-sex marriage on principle. And so I'm not, and by the way, I value the fact that you're not trying to walk away from that principle because electorally, I'm in the minority of that.
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And I don't want to walk away from this principle because it's electoral, but it is an issue of fairness. And I think Democrats have lost that.
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He's like, no, no. This morning, wakes up at 6 something. He's like, I'm coming. He literally would not leave the house. Did you let him take off school? No, of course not. He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point.
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No, and this, I want to hear this.
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So that's why the issue is so much more powerful.
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You know what it is. Yeah, and devastating. Trump's for you. She's for them.
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And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.
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And this was even more challenging because it's issues of people that are incarcerated. And illegal. And illegal incarcerated individuals getting taxpayer fines. Yes. And gender reassignment. And that is a 90, 10, not an 80, 20.
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The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent.
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No, but I appreciate that. I mean, it's the reason you're here because I think people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've been up to, and the fact that you're on these college campus doors. And to your point, man, you just open up. I mean, you're like, ask me anything? Anything. Challenge me? Challenge me, whatever.
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Brutal. Yeah. And so tens of millions of brutal. And then the targeted focus from the from the Trump campaign next level.
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It doesn't require... By the way, we were running around just for the what the hell it's worth for you. She was AG at the time. She was addressing the issue of a legal settlement. The courts were intervening on this topic. But she had the video where in the video, she was obviously expressed support. And so...
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It was a great ad. And I say that lightly in political.
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Yeah, and all the rhetoric that he's throwing at us in that context.
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So I went and let me I'm going to answer that in a second. But let me just let me let me pull a few more threads. You said 2020 is when you started to see the Democrats sort of advance this notion of woke is when the woke, the awokening, the awokening really started.
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No, but so is it the Latinx stuff that by the way? Not one person ever in my office has ever used the word Latinx. So could we finally put that to bed?
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Well, I just didn't even know where it came from. I'm like, what are people talking about? Was it the pronouns? By the way, once, once. You'd think California invented the frame of the pronoun. Literally, I had one meeting where people started going around the table, pronouns, one. There's been a hell of a lot of days between 2020 and today and one meeting.
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So it's not like this is, I'm like, what the hell is, why is this the biggest issue?
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And college campuses. That's where you reside a lot in the college campus.
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You've got to like, Jesus. Okay. And I said, number three, what else? I mean, you started... What was also the big woke-ism thing?
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When did this whole thing, when did you start putting this together?
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When it was, there was... We're not going to hire... There was DEI decades ago. Yeah.
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And it was sort of post-George Floyd.
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And was that wrong? I mean, to address the issue of racial—I mean, there's legitimate issues as it relates to power.
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And it was literally you sat down and put that numerical together.
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I have to go back to my Prop 16.
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California since 1996 has had Prop 209. So the affirmative action case came from the Supreme Court as well. It's the institutions of higher learning had no impact on California. So we've actually it's an interesting California also codified as a constitutional amendment marriage between a man and a woman. And that was in 2000.
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California runs an interesting contract trend.
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That was not a major, there was a broader national narrative.
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I appreciate that perspective. And I appreciate not just the perspective. I totally appreciate what you just said as an explicit statement of fact to make an eight-year-old feel like they're racist is absurd and outrageous.
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Yeah, okay. I appreciate it. I mean, the whole CRT stuff.
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I mean, I was trying to find it. You think we have CRT in K-12 education?
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Yeah, no. All right, I've got to get back into the classroom. I've got six million kids. You've got to get your educations up. 1,050 school districts, the largest school system.
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No, but no excuse, because these things are important. And by the way, it's the reason we're having this conversation. This is very illuminating and helpful to me to understand sort of the animus. What is it about... I joke with people. I say, you guys don't like DEI, CRT, ESG, DOJ, FBI, IRS. It's all the acronyms. It's all the damn three-letter acronyms. What the hell's the issue?
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What's going on with all that?
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Which ones? What's others? What have I missed?
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You're about to get that 65 percent.
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How about the book ban stuff? On a serious note, 4,240 books or titles, libraries and schools are banned in 2023. Is that not as a conservative? Well, it depends.
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Well, there were some other books.
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And we'll get to that, and sincerely get to that, because I want to stress test some of those fault lines as it relates to the reality of our party and where we are today vis-a-vis your ascendancy, not just individually as an organization. But where was that sort of moment for you? Because it's interesting. I mean, you're such a young guy, so it's not like deep biography here.
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No, but I mean, some have made that point. Is that a fair point or is it offensive?
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And as a man of faith, and I deeply admire that about you. Thank you.
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I love moms, but this moms, I mean, we don't have to get into Moms for Liberty.
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Deeply organized for a larger agenda, but that's my humble opinion.
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I know. I just have a problem with, you know, who the hell is going to decide that? Government? I mean, Doron DeSantis is going to decide what I can read or say in the boardroom in the classroom?
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I mean, I'm not saying that there's some sort of— We've got a stress test where the Bible's included in that. I don't even want to go forward anymore on this. No, it's tough, but this becomes a dialectic.
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No, I mean, it's a provocative— I don't think it's fair. By the way, Father Cause would be offended with me. If you think the Bible's pornographic, we have a whole— Most of these books are quote-unquote not pornographic. There's sections that can offend.
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Okay, then... No, they can. They just can't get fired for not doing that.
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The law was explicit, said you can't be fired... for not snitching on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay. And my point is, how in the hell are you telling parents snitching? No, the teachers themselves have the right. They can do that. They can do that. We're not saying you can't do that.
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We're saying you shouldn't be fired if you choose not to say Johnny was talking about liking some other boy or something.
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It's not like 20 years in the wilderness, writing his first book, getting a TV show that was canceled, coming back. It's more just this immediacy of ascendancy. Was it I mean, were you always sort of born and bred with an ideological mindset or were you more open minded and you started to realize a lot of BS was out there?
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Whose kid is it though? I want these teachers to teach. And by the way, they feel like the health or safety of their kid, they have a responsibility to communicate. They still can. By the way, we're not selling these teachers they can't. We're saying they won't be fired if they don't look around and say in the recess, there were two boys. Why didn't you see that? You're fired. You should have.
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And you might disagree, but like, but, but I am one of those guys and child, I appreciate it. And I, by the way, appreciate the civility, which we're engaged in this conversation sincerely. Um, I don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on principle. It's one of those things. Everything's not political is the point.
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And sometimes the principle and by the way, matter of respect for you, abortion and same sex marriage, you feel the American people don't agree with me. Exactly. And I admire that on principle. But for me, it's not just political. And I appreciate you making that point. I deeply am mindful of the politics of this. which are very unhelpful. Personally, it's unhelpful.
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More broadly, professionally, the Democratic Party and our brand. And one of the reasons, to your point, the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.
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No, I appreciate it. But I also appreciate you hold deeply unpopular beliefs as well.
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What are you running for office?
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I saw a poll in Arizona that you were like one or two. You have the highest name ID and favorability. When are you running? Is that what this is all about?
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By the way, you're not even old enough to be president. You're only 31 years old.
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Why did you change your position?
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I was just out there. I wasn't out there trying to champion the band.
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So back to the Democratic Party. We talk about we're not aligned with them. They don't trust us. I think we have 31 favorability, 57% unfavorability. I'm surprised it's that high, Governor. Thank you. 31% favorability is not good enough. So, I mean, back to just the basics. So you talked about wokeism broadly defined. We talked about some specific examples of that.
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You began on transport, which is interesting, and I respect and appreciate that.
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I appreciate what we just did with all of you. I mean, and I've been by the way, I've been saying that so interestingly gets picked up. And that maybe goes to the question. we live in these filter bubbles. We're talking to ourselves. We're in these sort of, yeah, it's Newsmax, One American News, Fox, and then it gets into all the stuff that you guys are doing and everybody else.
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And meanwhile, I'm safe over here at MSNBC and CNN, reading the New York Times, feeling really great about things and having a nice glass of Chardonnay, listening to Rachel Maddow, self-medicating and just going, yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah, at the French, that's of course the only place I eat. And And, you know, get me a great take out in the whole thing where I should have been at Applebee's. I get it. Applebee's America. I read.
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And here's a guy who makes twenty five times more money than I do sitting here with it, with a jacket. And I'm sitting here with it. That's right.
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We don't control the people control the fifth largest economy. And by the way, proud that you know, it's a 3.89 trillion dollar population.
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That's just factually untrue. And that was 190,000 net.
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You should be championing that as governor of California. 394 we have down at the border. We've been focused on Fendall.
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Yes, I was talking about the importance of never... Well, I can't help you with the reservation.
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Very nice. By the way, we couldn't have this conversation without conversation. dumbest bonehead move in my life. Own it, move on, grow up. Is that you talking to yourself?
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I'm looking right at you in the eyes as I say that, just to get your reaction. That said, we are... We're losing. I feel it's asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk sitting on tweets or you doing social media and then me doing a three-minute hit at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on CNN. I mean, how the hell do we compete? We're toast.
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What is masculine about? Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere.
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Well, not like conservatives are massively disagreeing. Hold on.
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It seems like Congress is really doing great oversight of Trump right now.
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And, you know, and so anyway, but I appreciate. No, but it's objective truth, right? I mean, you just dominate this media.
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But it's interesting. You're making a deeper argument that we're not... You didn't say it again in a maligning way, but that we're just not... because we're not hardwired to be able to participate in this.
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I would do that, 100%. I've never left. I'm glad to hear you say that. I remember back when I was lieutenant governor, I think Bill Maher was trying to get on the UC campus or something. They were saying Bill Maher was too conservative voice. And we called that out at the time. But it's equally insane that people are boycotting Bud Light. I mean, how is that not called out?
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You don't drink at all? I mean, no. By the way, that's interesting. You don't? No. Never have? I have, yeah. What happened? A couple years ago, you stopped? I stopped, yeah. Why'd you stop?
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No, but I mean, in that cancel culture in reverse, I mean, a lot of cancel culture.
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But a boycott is not. I mean, well, there's boycotting speakers. There's boycotting. That is a derivative of cancel.
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I appreciate that perspective. So let's go back to Democrats being totally incompetent, incapable of spending 30, let alone 45 to an hour. I mean, a conversation broadly on podcast.
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the process of becoming you're not there yet becoming gavin like becoming michelle right but so what i mean who do you are the democrats you do forget literally any democrats you admire out there right now and even beyond just the podcast thing that you look and say jesus there's hope um forgive me there's um we can edit that out no i don't care you can keep it um
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That's a deeply held personal point of view.
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And I say this as one of the biggest champions for reproductive freedom on the planet.
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No, and Trump himself decided to pivot a little bit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Oh, look at you. Look at Charlie Kirk. Diversity is strength. I mean, I want to end the podcast right there. But first, I said you could say you could say I want to do we have ultimate editing here? I'm going to know you better not. We're not going to edit any of this. And and by the way, no reason to edit any of this, despite my use of inappropriate words here and there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
It's interesting. And you keep saying we, which is interesting. And that's the organization that you created, Turning Point USA?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Let me ask you just on the on the Democratic Party side. Forgive me. I do want to just look where. So our effort to get out of the wilderness, you know, on the woke culture wars, on some of these issues, on providing a more diverse culture. Campus, dare I say, of opinion and pulling people in. But what what else do you I mean, do you feel this party?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I mean, you point that the Republican Party is now going to be the dominant and Senate.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Okay, so this was the question that I'm not articulating very effectively. But I remember so many of the similar contours of this conversation we were having in 2004 and 2005. You just got shellacked both houses of Congress. Republicans, you had a Republican president that won the popular vote, the last Republican president to win the popular vote. And two years later, you had Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Four years later, you had 53% of the vote, the highest since 19-what? I don't know, 60.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
So what if you were in my camp?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Okay, give me the B plus advice.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
No, what is your secret stuff? Why don't we go right to there? That's secret for a reason. What is it? Is it technical or is it substance?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
You got, by the way, you guys are so obsessed with the idea that every goddamn thing I do. I said it again. Yeah, I said it again because I needed your emotional reaction. That everything I do. is framed in that context. Talk about Trump derangement syndrome. I think you got one with California and me.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But you were at this... Even before then.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, just so people can know this, we have been. I, in fact, directly, we actually put out the data. I actually reached out to the administration saying, are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates with all CDCR releases over 10,000?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
You've got the statewide sanctuary state. Which Governor Brown signed in, not you. Yeah, which in the statewide framework allows us to work as it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the release of criminals from our state prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation. We've done that over 10,000 times since I've been governor. We're not denying access.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
So when did you when did you decide to sort of just shift your gear? I mean, you were working for another Kirk for his campaign.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
We're not denying coordination for criminals.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But you don't believe in it fundamentally. It's not just sports. It's not style. You just don't... I mean...
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Yeah. Mark Kirk. So you had a political obviously strong political leanings or at least desire to sort of be in the political sphere, but not in elected office necessarily. You just want to be behind the scenes. Yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I've got 25 TikToks of what your feelings are. So actually, that was a question I didn't need to ask.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I think we have to be more sensitized to that.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But, like, I mean, look... No, but homeless and encampments out of control, unacceptable.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I saw them on 25 things. It was the most ridiculous... That was... You know what? I will happily, happily revert back to your counterpoint as weaponized, in this case, weaponized.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, it was AIPAC who had dozens and dozens of foreign leaders. And California is not San Francisco. But I'm the governor of California. I'm not the mayor of California.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
That's exactly my, by the way, that's my energy. I think you've missed a lot of my press conferences. I've been saying that to all these mayors. State vision is realized at the local level. It's about accountability, transparency. If you can't clean up the streets, we're going to redirect the money.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, what's going on with homelessness in all these red states? You're seeing it through the roof.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I like what you said about BlackRock.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I think, and then turning around and renting them?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
This is a huge problem across the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
We've had one. It didn't get very far last year, and there's more conversations.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I love that you say this. By the way, just in that spirit, don't you agree one of the Doge things should be dealing with the $1.5 billion of subsidies on carrying interest?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
On the issue of housing, you couldn't be more right. It's the original sin in the state of California, affordability, period, full stop. And it has more impact on the issue of homelessness than any other issue because of the cost of living. By the way, we had 188,000 people in 2005, 20 years ago. on the streets and homeless and our point in time count.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
So this is hardly unique to moderate California, but it's been a long-term issue. And housing is at the core.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Well, there was something called a pandemic that may have had a little impact. Issues of interest rates may have had a little impact. on housing production across the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Except Hawaii. 42 CEQA reform bills created a housing accountability unit. How does it work? And we're making big progress.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
We've been pounding in this space. There's no administration in modern California history that's done more to reform the housing space and the regulatory space as it relates to the issue of housing. The biggest challenge right now is NIMBYism. The biggest challenge we have is local planning and zoning. And that's why we've been very aggressive.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And so I have a Yimby mindset on all this stuff. I'm in the front lines of this. Your friends, they are your friends down in Huntington Beach that I'm suing. Which ones? The pastors or the city council? They love you. The MAGA faithful. You're 99.9%.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
We're suing them because of their rank NIMBYism. We have been very aggressive in this space.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I'm waiting for one big thing we all are waiting for, and I think it had a biggest – perhaps one of the biggest impacts that we don't focus on enough in the last election. That was interest rates. As interest rates – I believe they will come down. And you're going to see an explosion of housing production.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Well, to me, it's all about supply, right? Econ 101, supply.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, I haven't been governor for a century, okay? I mean, Jesus. I mean, we've been six years. And by the way, no excuse.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But you also got to take responsibility for some of the problems. I can take a little more credit on the general AI. 32 of the top 50 market companies.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And you saw the college campuses as sort of the underbelly of the opportunity, or is it just more just experiential in terms of your own sort of animus towards the institution?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Yeah, no, and look, I think it's a full circle on this conversation where you began by identifying— We'll circle back.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
No, but it's a point. The point you're making, Scott Galloway and others have been making as it relates to this generational theft. Yes. He's spot on on this. And I think there's there's so much validity to and you recognizing that problem and how one diagnosis one thing. But and President Trump as well. He deserves credit. I want to get you to say the words.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, I just spent almost 90 minutes with him in the Oval Office a couple weeks ago. Isn't he the greatest? I think he was the first Democrat invited in in Trump 2.0.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, I did almost 90 minutes with Biden right before he left in the Oval.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
By the way, that would be a hell of a book. 90, you know, 180 minutes. I should do a book of the two, of that bookmark. By the way, he a hundred percent was.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Just a fact. It's a, it's just, you can, do you think there was any mental? There's no, no, seriously.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
There was one exception. And I, and it was that. No, no, no. Before the debate, I was about to say, and that was the big fundraiser down in LA where I saw a different person, the Clooney and Clooney called Jack black.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But it was, it was not, that was, but, You know, so much of that focus was, all right, he just got back from Europe. But that was the one one time we don't need to get it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Have you seen any mental decline in Donald Trump right now?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
No, I'm just asking. I mean, I know. I'm just asking your personal experience.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
How often do you talk to Trump, by the way? Once or twice a week. Is he checking for advice? A little bit of both.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Yeah, it was like, Mr. President, here's what you need, or here's the thought.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Jesus, on that, Charlie Kirk.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And remind us what Joe Biden did in 2020.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
So that goes back then, I mean, to your point, in order to do that, you've got to stand for something. You've got to assert yourself. You've got to have a strategy and you've got to implement it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
crazy stuff and not believe crazy i mean and so for you i mean it's interesting just you know this last week i guess you were at usc yeah you were at university of florida you had thousands and thousands of folks you get to your point your crowds are growing 2012 where were you were coming in and people were i mean you were taking i mean yeah you were like getting threats i mean you still get tons of threats yep but it was i mean what was it like just to paint a picture of you walking to college i had no money no connections and no idea what i was doing and uh
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And would you just say, I'm available, and you started at this sort of debate format?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
I was 18 or 19. 18 or 19. And you just... By the way, where does that end? And sincerely, to be able to debate anybody at any time, anywhere, and in that environment, it's just just... I mean, just... You can... You can say it's just confidence or it's just absolute, I mean, narcissism. What is it?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And are you 10x better than you were in 2012 at the format?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Probably. And do you study it? Or are you just participating? I mean, you look at the old great debates or you're reading debating books, you're watching some of the best.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And so you make a point prior to that. I mean, to the point you never went to community college. I didn't even graduate community college. And you didn't even graduate community, which is great. By the way, I was going to college in Marin. I got lucky. I got a baseball coach that called me and allowed me to get to a four-year university. I was joking with you before we started, 960 SAT.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
But this has been a point of pride for you that you didn't do a four-year degree. Well, yeah, because I represent most of the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Love that. And what and there are what, 11 million folks, there are 11 million jobs out there. You make this point all the time.
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Do not require a college degree. So when you say and it's interesting because there's sort of that critique of the Democratic Party that we are captured by this sort of college elite. In what respect? I mean, stress test that for a second. Allow me to. What specifically are you referencing in that?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
Why do you think that's the case? What are the issues that sort of are identified, that align in that respect?
The Charlie Kirk Show
My Full Conversation With Gavin Newsom, Annotated
And so from your perspective, I mean, as you advocate for people to sort of open up a worldview that is life without a four-year degree and all the opportunities that present themselves anew in that respect, are you arguing for the disestablishment, the end of higher education?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Case To Pardon Derek Chauvin ft. Ben Shapiro
By the way, you're talking to someone who's never supported the defund police movement. I know, but I was explicit.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Case To Pardon Derek Chauvin ft. Ben Shapiro
I have to go back to my Prop 13. No, no, you're smart. Prop 16. I'm talking 960 SAT, so a little humility. Hold on, you're the governor of the largest state in the country. No, no, no.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Case To Pardon Derek Chauvin ft. Ben Shapiro
California since 1996 has had Prop 209s.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Case To Pardon Derek Chauvin ft. Ben Shapiro
That's not good. No, it's not good.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Case To Pardon Derek Chauvin ft. Ben Shapiro
I appreciate that perspective.
The Charlie Kirk Show
A National Language, Debating Newsom, Wisconsin, and... Romania?!?
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast. I'm going to be talking to people directly that I disagree with, as well as people I look up to. But more important than anything else, I'll be talking directly with you, the listener. Real conversations. What's going on with the cost of eggs?
The Charlie Kirk Show
A National Language, Debating Newsom, Wisconsin, and... Romania?!?
What are the impacts, real impacts to you around tariffs? What power does an executive order really have? And what's really going on inside of Doge? Look, there's an onslaught of information that we take in. So let's take it to the sources without the typical political mumbo jumbo.
The Charlie Kirk Show
A National Language, Debating Newsom, Wisconsin, and... Romania?!?
In the first few weeks, we're going to be sitting down with some of the biggest leaders and architects in the mega movement. This is Gavin Newsom.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Trump Threatens Third Term, Admin Admits Deportation Mistake
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast.
The Dan Bongino Show
America Is Back In The World Stage, And We Love To See It (Ep. 2433)
Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino.
The Dan Bongino Show
America Is Back In The World Stage, And We Love To See It (Ep. 2433)
We need to change the conversation. And that's why I'm launching a new podcast. And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast. I'm going to be talking to people directly that I disagree with. as well as people I look up to. But more important than anything else, I'll be talking directly with you, the listener. Real conversations. What's going on with the cost of eggs?
The Dan Bongino Show
America Is Back In The World Stage, And We Love To See It (Ep. 2433)
What are the impacts, real impacts to you around tariffs? What power does an executive order really have? And what's really going on inside of Doge? Look, there's an onslaught of information that we take in. So let's take it to the sources without the typical political mumbo jumbo.
The Dan Bongino Show
America Is Back In The World Stage, And We Love To See It (Ep. 2433)
In the first few weeks, we're going to be sitting down with some of the biggest leaders and architects in the mega movement. This is Gavin Newsom.
The Dan Bongino Show
Nightly Scroll - Critics Give Disney’s Feminist “Snow White” a Rotten Apple
No, and I appreciate. But like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Nightly Scroll - Critics Give Disney’s Feminist “Snow White” a Rotten Apple
By the way, not one person ever in my office has ever used the word Latinx. So can we finally put that to bed?
The Dan Bongino Show
Nightly Scroll - Critics Give Disney’s Feminist “Snow White” a Rotten Apple
No more Latinx, everybody. Well, I just didn't even know where it came from. I'm like, what are people talking about?
The Dan Bongino Show
Nightly Scroll - Critics Give Disney’s Feminist “Snow White” a Rotten Apple
I hope we can really paint a picture in terms of our consciousness of how impactful this has been on the Latinx community. Latinx community, the Latinx and Black communities. You've got politicians that are banning, not assault rifles, but the word Latinx. They're not even serious.
The Ezra Klein Show
There Is a Liberal Answer to Elon Musk
Let's be real. The current project as planned would cost too much and respectfully take too long. There's been too little oversight and not enough transparency. Right now, there simply isn't a path to get from Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to LA. I wish there were.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
No, look, I get it. And the other side weaponizes these issues. They dehumanize, they attack, they demean, and they've weaponized this issue extraordinarily well. That said, on the fundamental question, is it fair? And I can give you example after example. Just in my home state, there was someone that won a triple jump by eight feet. It was fundamentally unfair.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
We haven't been able to figure that out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I hope we can really paint a picture in terms of our consciousness of how impactful this has been on the Latinx community. Latinx community, the Latinx and Black communities. You've got politicians that are banning not assault rifles, but the word Latinx. They're not even serious.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I just disagree with that. I mean, the law was you would be fired. A teacher would be fired. if a teacher did not report or snitch on a kid talking about their gender identity. I just think that was wrong. I think teachers should teach. I don't think they should be required to turn in kids. And by the way, turn in, we're talking about their parents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Well, I just, I don't, but what is... What is the job of a teacher? It's to teach. If Johnny's talking about some identity issue or some issue about liking someone of the same sex, is it the teacher's job to then report that? By the way, in this law, the teacher can still do that, but they can't be fired if that's not what they do. And that's something I just think that was fair.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
When he talks about the Delta smelt and reservoirs, the reservoirs are completely full. The state reservoirs here in Southern California, that mis and disinformation, I don't think advantages or aids any of us. Responding to Donald Trump's insults, we would spend another month. I'm very familiar with them. Every elected official that he disagrees with, very familiar with them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
We do know, though, from reporting here locally that that one reservoir that serves the Palisades was not full. And that's exactly what triggered my desire to get the investigation to understand what was happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
I want to know the answers. So I'm the governor of California. I want to know the answer. I've got that question. I can't tell you about how many people. What happened? My own team saying what happened? And I want to get the answer. You're the governor. I'll be candid with you. I'm getting straight answers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
I watched the press conference. I met with some of those leaders. We had my team start talking to local leaders saying what's going on. You weren't getting straight answers. I was getting different answers. When you start getting different answers, then I'm not getting the actual story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
We went up to one of the canyons on the fire, sitting there, feeling we're a good quarter mile away. I'm not making this up, video to bear it out. All of a sudden, we see an ember, hits the tree, tree goes on fire, 100 seconds, God is my witness, may have been 90 seconds. The house is in flames. I have embers of flames, they're taking it off my hair, and we're running back into the car.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Newsom Tries to Salvage Political Career, and Woke Policies Backfire, with Stu Burguiere and Ilya Shapiro | Ep. 981
Winds are swirling around, garbage cans were in the air, and we were getting the hell out of there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump’s Tariff Shake-Up. Newsom’s Surprising Pivot, Censure Fallout Escalates: AM Update 3/7
So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump’s Tariff Shake-Up. Newsom’s Surprising Pivot, Censure Fallout Escalates: AM Update 3/7
Would you do something like that? Would you say no men and female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
But Let's get the facts and truth out and let's give our first responders the resources they need. And let's help people in Los Angeles who have been devastated. Let's make sure they're our first priority. But the MAGA Republicans are going to consistently spread disinformation. Here's another example of this.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
Ted Cruz responded to this other video that California Governor Gavin Newsom put out by saying the following. This is from Ted Cruz's account. Misguided California policies. One, limited fire mitigation efforts. That's false. Two, produced water shortages. That's false. And three, underfunded firefighters. False, false, false, false. But it is a barrage of
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
falsehoods that these MAGA Republicans spread. And then Ted Cruz goes, now Dem politicians are making it harder for those devastated by the wildfires to sell their destroyed properties. This will only hurt
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
the victims and in this video i'm going to play it for you what governor newsom was talking about was stopping land developers who are exploiting people who are victims from selling their properties at completely unfair amounts by exploiting the tragedy governor newsom said the following Openly shilling for scammers and bottom feeder land speculators is a weird play.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
Even for you, Ted, our executive order doesn't prevent anyone from selling their property. It prohibits scammers from making unsolicited offers to buy property for pennies on the dollar. This is the video that Gavin Newsom put out that Ted Cruz attacked. Here, play this clip.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
to preserving the unique character of this community for generations to come and you see i mean look california governor gavin newsom i mean he's made for this moment he's quick on his feet smart articulate good looking knows how to use media but even he's having trouble with the whack-a-mole of all of the lies i mean it's so much easier to spread a thousand lies
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
Then do what California Governor Newsom is trying to do, which is unite the community, provide necessary resources, govern and manage in the middle of a crisis. While all of these magas are behaving like Internet trolls, including Donald Trump was saying Newsom did this Newsom. Let's release the water. You're holding the water hostage. Just falsehoods after falsehoods.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
But I actually do think California Governor Newsom is pushing back on this. I have noticed the tides kind of shifting with the first few days where there were all of those lies out there and people were buying into the lies. And now it's just it's come down a little bit. But it's because Governor Newsom has been pushing back here. Governor Newsom addresses the fact that the MAGA Republicans.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
want to condition aid to Los Angeles and California on other Trump priorities, like Trump wants to remove the debt ceiling so he can further his tax cuts for the billionaires. And MAGA Mike Johnson and these other MAGA Republicans are saying, we're not going to give aid to Los Angeles unless you agree to get rid of the debt ceiling.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
Take a look at how California Governor Gavin Newsom addresses that. Play this clip.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
The thing also that's going on is not it's not just Trump. It's not just MAGA Republican politicians like Ted Cruz. And it's not just MAGA Republican propagandist media like Fox. It's also these accounts that masquerade as being accounts about sports, football. Finance, the environment, history. But they're actually, in my opinion, stealth MAGA accounts who just prop up Donald Trump.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
So this account, Wall Street Apes, which gives a lot of financial advice and posts a lot about the market. But when these crises strike, there's a lot of accounts like this that then spread a bunch of lies. And they have lots of followers who think they're getting lies. like finance news, and they don't realize they're getting red-pilled. So here's what this Wall Street Apes account says.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
California Governor Newsom officially set the stage for developers to come and buy up the devastated land in the Los Angeles Pacific Palisades fire. Newsom says it on camera on national TV. Another conspiracy proven true. The fires were not an accident. And then Gavin Newsom responds, this is absolutely false.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
I signed an executive order to protect residents from predatory land speculators and developers. So this is why I say it's so much easier to spread a thousand lies than to try to debunk them in the middle of a crisis because the lies aren't even consistent.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
You know, on the one hand, you have Ted Cruz saying you're screwing the people of Los Angeles over by not letting the predatory land developers buy the property for pennies on the dollar. And Newsom's like, you're defending the predatory land speculators.
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Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
And then on the other hand, you have another set of lies saying Newsom is purposefully helping the land speculators scoop up the land at discount prices. Totally inconsistent. But for the liars, it doesn't matter because they just want to hit as many people with the lies to piss you off. And then you get this on an app where there's no real significant editorial judgment.
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Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
And people just ultimately... you know, end up getting pissed. Let me just show you a few of the things that Gavin Newsom is talking about as well. So this is Newsom responding to a question about Trump and misinformation. This is how he answers it. Play the clip.
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Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
And this is Gavin Newsom saying, look, Donald, rather than call me new scum and spread lies, why don't you come here to California? And why don't you meet with the communities impacted? Here, play this clip.
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Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
Well, there you have it, folks. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to $4 million. But he's doing a masterclass in how you have to whack-a-mole the disinformation. But you see how challenging it can be. especially in the middle of the crisis when the disinfo is just coming from all sides from the MAGA Republicans. Thanks for watching. Hit subscribe.
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Newsom GOES BALLISTIC on Trump in STUNNING RESPONSE
That's California Governor Gavin Newsom continuing to hit back hard at Donald Trump's just immature, just despicable behavior where Trump keeps calling California Governor Gavin Newsom new scum. Governor Newsom's like, you want to call me names? You can call me names. That's what seventh grade petulant bullies do. No offense to them, by the way, because they don't even behave as badly as Trump.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
I'm exhausted, and maybe others are not. I really long for a world where we can live together across our differences. I really long for a world where I can show up and disagree with someone politically, but still respect and appreciate that they love their kids like I love my kids. They love their community. They want to be connected to something bigger than themselves.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
They may desire to do that through sort of a religious organization. Others may desire to do that through a nonprofit and a charity. But there's certain things that are universal in life. And I'm just... I don't know. I just want to this has been hard.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
The stacking of stress and all the anxiety and the finger pointing, the demeaning and demoralization that people feel attacking people and bullying people. And so that's what that's kind of what I'm trying to do is something a little bit different. But man, mad respect for those that disagree with me and want to see a more combative sort of Fox News Newsmax version of me.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
But, you know, I'll keep doing that on Fox and Newsmax so you can tune in there.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
you will go on there you are going to fight on those platforms governor any final words you want to give to the american people who are feeling uncertain right now who are just who are just worried right now what's your message to the american messages if you're listening you haven't you know thank you you're the antidote to your own fear and anxiety you're the antidote to your own cynicism you're not cynical you haven't given up you haven't given in so by definition uh you know
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
mad respect you're winning you are winning because you you're showing up and that's pretty powerful and if you can show up and not give into that cynicism after all the stacking of stress and everything you've been through like everybody listening watching everything you've been through
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
with COVID and pandemic and social unrest and economic uncertainty, and I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about what you went through during COVID and supply chains and shocks to the system, to Trump 2.0, and you're getting through 1.0, the fact that you're still tuning in to this platform, means you're on the other side of this if you maintain your just confidence in yourself.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And so I just wanna acknowledge everything you've been through, but also just ask you for a little bit more on behalf of all of us and know that I really believe this in my core, we're in the majority.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
good people that want to do the right thing, that don't want to talk down to people or past people, that really believe in the values, progressive values that we hold dear, that we're all better off and we're all better off, that everybody has the capacity to flow with the forces of life, to be fully expressive. And it's our job to encourage that and enliven people.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
uh in a sense of well-being and opportunity and and and so i i just i just want people to keep the faith i guess it's a long-winded point you know and i just want to compliment you know corey booker's the world my old buddy my old friend former mayor my oral colleague you know if he can last 25 hours on his feet uh we can handle the next 25 to 36 months as long as we step up and we're on our feet uh and uh and we're out there and we're making our voices heard
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Well, it's about ideological, you know, it's an ideological endeavor. This, you know, Donald Trump, it's interesting. It's the one thing he's been consistent about. This is a former Democrat who was a pro-choice Democrat who contributed to Kamala Harris's campaign for attorney general in California.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And Donald Trump, though, has been consistent for decades and decades on the issue of tariffs and the fact that he believes that other countries have ripped us off. So in every respect, this is shocking, yes, because of the outsized consequences, but not surprising as it relates to the deeper issue at hand. It is, you know, how do we unwind this and how?
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Do we do it in a way that doesn't unmoor the very foundations of our democracy, the best of Roman Republic, Greek democracy, a system of checks and balances, all of that also under assault and under attack at the same time?
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And how do we do it with the Democratic Party and the minority, but a Democratic Party that I think at this moment will be in its ascendancy as we start to assert ourselves much more aggressively because we all now need to be unified
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
across our differences, our interesting differences within the party in opposition of what this president is doing and the impacts we'll have in terms of our kids and our grandkids' lives.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Well, you know, we can do it from two positions. I think the answer to that is we use our formal authority to the extent we have it. Those in privileged positions of public service, in positions of elected office. I happen to be governor. So we use our moral authority. We push back. We assert ourselves. I mean, obviously, I called for a special session right after Donald Trump's election.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
I signed that special session bill that allowed us to finance and litigate against the Trump administration. We've already advanced nine formal lawsuits in just a little over nine and a half, ten weeks. But we also have something that's even more powerful, and that's our moral authority. And I think that goes to the larger question of everybody, all of us. have to step up.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
All of us have to step in. It can't just be reserved for those extraordinary leaders that were able to galvanize people to large town halls or large rallies like AOC and Bernie Sanders. I think all of us now need to assert ourselves, to share a voice, and to unify around the foundation of our democracy, our republic. The founding fathers didn't live or die to see this moment.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
You mentioned Smoot-Hawley. I mean, that was the precursor to the Great Depression, maybe exacerbated it by any objective standard. And that was a little over 20% or roughly 20% tariffs. Trump just did 22.7%, 23%. And it was done on the basis of some cockamamie formula. That literally no one understands.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And by definition, the markets have reacted to the recklessness to which he's moving into this. At the same time, they're trying to deconstruct the administrative state. At the same time, you reflect that 275,000 figure as it relates to jobs. A disproportionate number of that came from jobs that were lost to government. Same government that's here to protect jobs.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
us from the excesses of the kind of actions that are occurring in the Oval Office. So again, we will flex in terms of our formal authority. We'll then express ourselves with the deeper power that resides in every single one of us. And that's our moral authority, sharing our voice in an authentic way, participating and being held to a higher level of accountability.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And that includes me as well as Governor of California.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Well, there's penguins, there's pesky penguins. You know, they they've been manufacturing a lot of well, fill in the blank. I'm not sure they're exporting a lot of what they manufacture.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
look i mean i i represent a state the size of 21 state populations combined the fifth largest economy in the world and uh we have a break the glass moment we have to update all our economic forecasts our inflationary forecasts our unemployment forecasts our budget forecast because i represent the largest manufacturing state in america i represent a state that's more impacted
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Boy, I appreciate and thank you for your observation, because I was about to say, because I'm quite literally meeting with those world leaders that have disproportionate. I cannot impress upon you more the number of high profile folks that, you know, their names that have directly reached out to the governor of California.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
because of the uncertainty they're feeling about the United States of America and the world they're living in. And these are people in privileged and powerful positions that wanna know that California is not gonna turn their back. And my point to them is the point I wanna make to everybody. We're not gonna turn our back. We're going to be a stable partner that we believe in our alliances.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
We believe in our allies. We support our friends. We want to build more friends, more allegiance, more bridges, and more opportunity. And we're not going to sit back, as we haven't, but we're going to be even more forceful and formidable moving forward as we push back against this agenda. And let me remind you why. When I say the fifth largest economy in the world, this is important to understand.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
We're the tentpole of the U.S. economy. 14% of the GDP in the United States of America emanates from the state of California. We're the largest manufacturing state, $421 billion. The next largest state is Texas, and we're 41% bigger than Texas. We have more jobs, 150% more than the second state, jobs in forestry and agriculture and fishing. This state represents in so many ways.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
It's a microcosm of the United States of America. And so we feel these impacts in a profound and consequential way. The trade war that Donald Trump has just launched, because there'll be a reaction, there already has been a reaction, is going to be felt in pretty profound ways to real people, average people, including those
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
that voted for Donald Trump, those that were betrayed by this very administration. And I think we have to shape that narrative. And Democrats, it is about narrative. We've got to shape the narrative. And we've got to flood the zone, as you do in this extraordinary platform that you've created. Thank God for you.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
But we have got to flood the zone and develop a narrative that can counter Donald Trump and not just get caught up in dangling verbs and getting caught up in sort of sentences and responding to every single tweet or true social, but to develop and flood the zone on a narrative that binds us together, that celebrates, again, all our interesting differences in the vernacular of Bill Clinton.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
but binds us together as a nation in an aspirational and patriotic way. Democrats need to own that space again. And we need to be a big tent party again, which is foundational if we're going to make the kind of progress that this moment demands.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
because of direct trade from China and Mexico and Canada than any other state. And it's a consequence. The impacts are extraordinary. But it's not about California, per se. It's about all of us. It's about the global order. It's about our alliances. It's about our reputation, truth, trust. It's about stability. It's about the world we've come to
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Well, I mean, it's back to it's I guess it's par for the course, isn't it? It's reckless, just as these tariffs. It's arbitrary. Yeah, it's I mean, it's fill in the blank, but it's really consequential. And I preach, boy, well done. You framed it perfectly. He basically took.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
uh water that was set aside uh for this summer's farming from one part of central valley and then dumped into it other part of central valley without giving them heads up on water they didn't need to know even how to store and they had to turn off the pump because it was starting to impact the levees none of it went to southern california but what donald trump did he flooded the zone
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
with dis and misinformation, celebrating that somehow he solved for the problems in Southern California, somehow equating and connecting it to fire hoses and issues related to fire suppression. And, you know, Facts, again, get in the way. Narrative matters. Illusion rules so often.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And the challenge we have, and you know this, and again, I'm not going to say anything nice again about you because I'll appear to be patronizing, but they dominate right now in terms of flooding the zone and weaponizing this mis- and disinformation.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
And they are able to do it with an asymmetry in terms of their communication capacity that we have to address and you are addressing and we have to own up to. And we've got to rebuild that architecture or build that architecture so that we can compete in this space.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
Because what you just said is not commonly known by the overwhelming majority of people that voted for Donald Trump that actually believe that that water was sent to Southern California. even though demonstrably we know that was not the case.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
to know and some of us revere and love the country, all of that now at risk because of the recklessness, and there's no other way to describe it, of one individual, the president of the United States.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
No, I appreciate that. I say what I said when I launched the podcast, that's not what this podcast is about. And if you're tuning in to watch a debate, turn on cable news. There's plenty of debates going on. Just go down, maybe go to Thanksgiving dinner and debate with your uncle. I'm not here to debate. I'm here to illuminate. I'm here to understand because, look, we lost the election.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
We lost the popular vote. We don't have the House or the Senate. There's certain reality here. We're losing young men. And this perhaps to me is one of the biggest issues that define some of the challenges of the Democratic Party. Multi-ethnic young men in this country. These are trend lines that are growing to become headlines. And I want to understand how these guys work.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
I want to know what their motivations are. I want to know how they operate. And I want to find areas where I want to find a capacity to understand and engage without demeaning. I do that plenty. I mean, you know, we're... You know, I'm going at it. We're doing we're litigating. We're doing lawsuits. I'm out there debating.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
But I wanted to create a platform for a different kind of engagement, a two way conversation. And I so I deeply respect how people want to see the other side. But but for the purposes of this podcast, I just want to invite people in because I want to understand what world I'm living in.
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
want to understand what the trend lines are that define it i want to know how we can take advantage of it charlie kirk has created a platform for engagement where he's on college campuses in ways democrats are not he's open debates he's arguing with folks and he's increasingly winning young men and they're converting and they're moving over he's built a big platform he's built a big voice bannon i mean big part of what we just talked about in the top of this
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California Governor Gavin Newsom on Trump Crashing the Economy
about what's going on with tariffs that's that's bannon this has been bannon's vision for decades and decades it's manifesting and you know for me it's i'm not you know normalizing you said i appreciate but i'm not platforming these guys have millions and millions and millions of followers uh when i started the podcast i had zero like i literally started with zero in that first podcast with a guy who has tens of millions of followers so who's platforming whom uh and so i look and i'll end on this
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Trump Gets Destroyed by Dem Govs in Public
Remember Father Kauz telling me, we're many parts but one body. When one part suffers, we all suffer. This notion that we're all in this together. We're in there to take care of the folks in Louisiana, in the Speakers District. We're here for the folks in North Carolina, Californians that is.
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to Breaking New…Ben & Brett EVACUATED
One can't even respond to it. I mean, it's... People are literally fleeing. People have lost their lives. Kids lost their schools. Families completely torn asunder. Churches burned down. This guy wanted to politicize it. I have a lot of thoughts, and I know what I want to say. I won't. I stood next to a president of the United States of America today, and I was proud to be with Joe Biden.
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to Breaking New…Ben & Brett EVACUATED
And he had the backs of every single person in this community. He didn't play politics, didn't try to divide any of us.
The Psychology of your 20s
282. Can we change our personality?
I watch Fox. I pay attention to Newsmax, One American News. I don't turn my back to the critics, but there is a sort of California derangement syndrome out there that is just sort of ridiculous. This notion that this is the only state that has challenges. It's just comedic. But it's damaging. We record-breaking tourism last year. We have a surplus again.
The Psychology of your 20s
282. Can we change our personality?
We have a state with population growing again. You wouldn't know that. That's not prevalent. It's not part of the discussion.
The Psychology of your 20s
282. Can we change our personality?
It's been engulfed in the fires. It's, you know, it's a failed state, you know, California. But for me, you know, it's a pride for me, again, as a guy who lives here and cares about the state, is to make a case anew for it. And I'm a little Clinton-y about it. There's nothing wrong with it. It can't be fixed by what's right with it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
They don't believe in this notion of abundance fundamentally. They have a degrowth mindset, which you talk a lot about, or at least write about in the book. And so you're struggling with that ideological spectrum. But San Francisco, I mean, it's just infamously just loves its neighborhoods. Doesn't want to see it up zone. Don't want to see the density.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
So they're constantly pushing back against this. And we are, as a state, finally intervening in ways the state has never intervened in the past. So I think it's a little too early to sort of assert the sort of fatalism or have a fatalistic stance.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
a notion of what hasn't yet occurred when, in fact, we're starting now to flex our muscles and the application of these laws are now starting to fully go into effect. And ultimately, we want to see them materialize and manifest. But I think that's the friction. But look, let me just stipulate again, we're not arguing here. You're 100% right. I'm just asking, I'm curious.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
No, but also you're not, you know, you talk about it as a bagel liberalism.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
We stack everything together. You even were a little critical of the Biden administration and the Chips and Science Acts and the infrastructure bill. This stuff happens there.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
So you have five core chapters in this book. You talk about growth. You talk about governance. You talk about deploying, inventing, you know, a lot of language, very familiar here in the state of California. Again, abundance is fundamentally, foundationally who we are, at least believe we are in the state of California. And so in that respect, I agree, this sort of this, you know,
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Perception, performance is one thing, and I would argue a little bit more favorably to Biden. I mean, 775,000 manufacturing jobs, just the job growth generally. And I'm not just talking about job recovery from the pandemic, but the six plus million jobs that you have to stack on that after we were back to full recovery.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
The fact that CHIPS and Science Act is producing real results as it relates to private sector investment. and the fact that we finally have an industrial policy that is worker-centric.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
And I think it's that worker-centricity that you can argue against because that was in, you call it out in here, when you talk to Gina about issues related to childcare and other aspirational frameworks as it relates to small businesses and reaching diversity goals and the like. But there is the fundamental disconnect, and you're absolutely right, as it relates to these large-scale issues
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
audacious projects, and I will give you your due on high-speed rail. I have been as critical or more than you have about this. In fact, I appreciate you reference my pivot after I took this job as governor where we called out the status quo, and now we're trying to level set and get this back on track. But at least there's a vision. At least Obama had a vision. He wanted to be big in big things.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
He wanted to do big things. And at least progressive states still have a vision. And they have a desire. I mean, and I think that's part of an abundance frame. And while it's difficult to manifest that vision, I don't think it's an indictment necessarily. Well, it's an indictment in terms of our ability to deliver on time and under budget. But the vision, I think, is foundational and important.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
And I give credit to the Obama administration in that respect for all three, even if they were all for three.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Yeah. And I would say that's the central theory of at least the argument that I would make against the high-speed rail is, I mean, look, this thing started, and you make the point it started, there was sort of talk about the vision. The original vision was not Obama.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
It wasn't even necessarily Jerry Brown, but you point to 1982 when Brown at least says, former governor Jerry Brown, we should look at this high-speed rail thing. And then eventually Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, puts a bond on the ballot in 2008 and the voters approve it. And you're right. There was a lot of promotion of promise, $33.6 billion, two hours and 20 minutes downtown.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
By 2020 and the whole thing. And then reality. Now, I get here decade later, decade plus later, and reconcile the fact that we have to dig our way out of this. There's a new reality. There's scarcity of resources. There's an abundance of delay. There's an abundance of cost overruns. And we have to level set that we need to build something Or we're left with literally nothing.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Well, coming up next, I have Ezra Klein here in studio talking about his new book that he co-authored with Derek Thompson called Abundance. In this book, Ezra does not hold back on taking a very critical look at democratic governance all across the United States of America, in particular, in my home state of California. This is Gavin Newsom. And this is Ezra Klein.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
We're left with pieces that go nowhere, that have no utility and actually have a long-term cost. But let's do it by telling people what it is and what it's not. And so this focus on the Central Valley, which as you recognize was stipulated as a requirement under the Obama administration,
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Grant, the $3 billion, in one of the fastest growing parts of the state, an important part of the state, a state that has deep desire to connect to the rest of the state, in a state of mind that's not just about a transportation project, but about Upsony, about economic development, which a lot of that has occurred in and around these new stations that have been built, 50 large-scale projects, the size of three Golden Gate bridges.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
The entire environmental clearance is now 100% done, LA to San Francisco. There were 2,000- It took 2012 to 2024, though. I can't make up for that. I can only deal with the component part. But it's just crazy. It's crazy. But the point is, we're at the point where just announced we're doing railhead. We're finally laying the tracks. I mean, we can lament about it. We absolutely learned from it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
And we've stress test a lot of it. You talk about the consulting class versus a bureaucratic class. You're absolutely right. And we started to shift that just a few years ago. But the litigation, on the 2,270 parcels that we had to purchase was next level. And that delay, I think is the core of this. There's plenty of other bureaucratic malaise and other issues we can identify.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
But back to this notion, I think you're right. This idea of, I think liberal litigation, I don't know what phrase you used in the book, uh but you we were mindful of that and critical of that and you mark that as a big part of the sort of 1970s construct in america and tell us a little bit more about yeah so we can put a pin in high-speed rail um
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
By the way, people forget in California, a lazy pundit could suggest the modern environmental movement started in 1967.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
in reaction to that in the business community saying enough and governor ronald reagan established the california air resources board of which that rights and responsibility were afforded under the 1970 clean air act which you also highlight in the book richard nixon affording california a waiver so that we can address the unique air quality concerns that you identify in the books and then 56 and then of course everybody forgets it's reagan
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Ezra, it is great to have you here in studio. Thanks for having me here for this weird inversion. Weird inversion. And you've been, I mean, you've been all over the place. You got a new book, Abundance, and we'll jump right into that. But I want to just frame a little bit of the relationship that we have that goes back, and you may not even remember this.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
I was a new mayor in San Francisco and was asked by Bill Maher to go on a show. I remember this. And you were one of the panelists. And I'll never forget just sparring with Bill, obviously, and then you. And after the show was done and we were all finishing, you had left. Maher goes up to me and he goes, who the hell was that? And I'm like, I know. Who the hell was that? And it was you.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
We were like, whoa. Just both of us didn't have a, you know, I was relatively new. Bill's been seasoned pro.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Maybe I was Lieutenant Governor. Was I still, was I Lieutenant Governor? I'm pretty sure you were Lieutenant Governor. So maybe I was Lieutenant Governor. But I was like, anyway, I'd been on the show a bunch of times, but you were, you had a next level capacity to analyze things and to deliver a point of view.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
And so it's not surprising to me that so much of that, including that conversation we probably had on that studio and set, is reflected in what you've been focused on for decades and decades.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Now we're laying track and we're finally getting that first 119 miles done. We'll get to 171. It's a $6.5 billion gap. We have a strategy to address that.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
But the issue with Biden is- I don't know what the hell more he could have done in a short period of time to deliver on a bold vision and lay the tracks for benefits that we'll enjoy. Yes, not all in 48 months, but over the course of the next four, eight years, it'll be significant.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Yeah, how to take the town square digital and reinvent government.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
It's also private sector. I mean, there is another component of this. The markets actually play a really significant outsized influence in timing on a lot of these things, on investments, et cetera.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This is Ezra Klein
Yeah, well, I think in so many aspects, I was reading this book and you're reflected in this. I mean, this has been my struggle as a former mayor. You chronicle San Francisco, California disproportionately, but this book is fundamentally about the future
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And look, and you highlight some of those successes. I mean, you talk about what happened during the Trump administration and COVID. By the way, a lot of innovation happened during COVID, including on land use. We did something called Home Key, Room Key. We changed land use in CEQA. We did it through an emergency frame. You referenced the I-95. Because risk tolerance went up.
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and you framing the future in abundance terms, but it's also a real shot against liberalism in many respects, against the world we created now competing against us in terms of process and courts and laws and rulemaking and all of that that's created so much of this cost of living dynamic. So tell us, what was the inspiration of the book? Tell us a little bit about what abundance is about.
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Which tolerance went up? I-95, an emergency frame. Exactly. We had the I-10, which we got done in eight days. That was even more impactful. Screw the I-95. Yeah, you should have added that in. What a nice thing you could have said about our state. But so there was a state of mind though.
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I mean, we're doing it right now in terms of the emergency work we're doing on the rebuild of the fires in Los Angeles. But if these emergency declarations- And people are celebrating it.
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No, look, this is why I wanted to do this podcast. This is why I love, don't like your book. This is why I think it's essential reading for Democrats, this notion of speed, appearing to take action, but not doing things to people, but with people and finding that right balance.
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It's not, I think there's the stress, and it goes to your opening point about some of the questions you're getting, sort of this notion of a binary, that it's one or the other. Why aren't you a Republican? As opposed to risk-taking without recklessness. What's that right balance?
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Is the right balance of Doge is the example of the $140 billion that Clinton and Gore saved on a $1.4 trillion government and they reduced the size of the workforce by 400,000, but they did that again in partnership And did real reform versus the recklessness of Doge. Is it the RFI2 process? Thank you for recognizing our procurement reforms.
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You highlight we brought in Jen Polka from Code for America to bring in a private sector version. We did the original Doge. We call it ODI, which is the Office of Digital Innovation, which is now Office of Data Innovation. We're trying to change the entire procurement framework. We inherited these old cobalt systems that you highlight from 1959 and these IBM mainframes from the 1980s. All of that.
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creates a stress on the system. And so it's not easy overnight to fix it. But the emergency mindset, and I think the break the glass point you're making is for Democrats right now. And it's the soul searching we have. We got to deliver.
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Does your legislature want to fix it? They all intellectually do. But then you have every constituency and every group, and they're showing up 24-7. Then NIMBYism is well-established. You've established it from the mindset. It's not just, by the way, Reagan and CEQA. It's the NEPA. It's Endangered Species Act. It's the Clean Water Act, all the stuff Nixon did. But in any reform, people panic.
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Oh, you don't care about it. You've just turned in conservatives. You can't even. I mean, we've had a podcast here. You talk to Republicans. You're like, geez, what the hell is going on? Guy's selling out, sold his soul. So you have reforms around process. In CEQA, people panicked, said, what, you just want to destroy the environment.
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So there's a political price you pay for that reform, but you're right, there's a political price for not reforming, which is where the Democratic Party is today. So speed, decision-making, the sense of action and purpose. By the way, a lot of what this president is celebrating is what the last president did. And a lot of the investments
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I mean, the AI investments that Sam and others announced were making because of the Obama administration.
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Former Republican became Democrat, outperformed a lot of his folks.
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I am taking the pain and I'm taking the political. I mean, I can give you proof points of the work we've done in the political capital we've used to get a lot of these reforms advanced. And that's I think that's that's where I struggle a little bit with the book. Just again, the book that I celebrate and I'm handing out to folks is it's not a lot of that is acknowledged the actual politics.
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policy reforms that we are advancing, that we are marching and moving towards, and how we're actually starting to see some progress in that respect. But with that in mind, I get the speed and the scale. But I also want to make a case. Look, This is a state where we're gaining population again. We're running budget surpluses. We dominate in every innovative category.
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You talk about the future of abundance in the context of invention and deployment. That's California. 18% of the world's R&D is in this state. No other state comes close. Only two countries have more R&D, and that's Germany and China. This is a state with 41% more manufacturing output than the state that tends to get a lot of credit in Texas. Texas, by the way, takes $71.1 billion of federal money
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From the taxpayers, we give $83.1 billion. We have more scientists, engineers, more Nobel laureates, more venture capital. Half of the unicorn companies in the country are in California. There's a lot going right. They just get a survey of the top 10 happiest cities. With respect, Houston went on that list. But San Jose was- I was very happy when I lived in San Francisco.
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San Jose was, Irvine was on that list. Fremont, interestingly, number one, San Diego. So, you know, I don't know. We dominate in AI. The world, again, we're inventing the future. It happens here. By the way, you saw in homelessness, the numbers through the roof across the rest of the country stabilized here in California. The housing crisis, not unique to blue states any larger, longer.
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Lower taxes. in this state than in many, many states. People talk about the high taxes in California, it's just BS. 16 states, 16 states tax their poorest residents more than we tax our top 1%. 40% of our residents pay lower taxes than in Florida and Texas. 80% of our residents pay slightly above average taxes. So this notion of even being a high tax state is BS.
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This notion that everyone's leaving is complete BS. We dominate in so many of these categories because I think of our values, but we're not building enough damn housing. And that's led to this homeless crisis, not exclusively, as you said, but it's contributed. And yes. We had a vision decades ago. The taxpayers advanced it on a high-speed rail, and we watched China clean our clock.
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You highlight that in miles and numerics that are depressing. I don't even want you to repeat them. I can for everybody, but I'm not going to. But we're going to get the damn thing done. They complained about the Erie Canal. They complained about the Panama Canal. They complained about the Transcontinental Railroad right before it finally started to see real progress.
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And I feel like we're at that tipping point with this damn high-speed rail. But nonetheless, Well, let's talk about high-speed rail for a second.
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I would still- I mean, that was, I admit- That was a tough time in SF.
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And by the way, that city's coming around. It's turning around in significant ways.
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You frame it with Horace Greeley, go west, young man, go west. And then you create that new construct.
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But on high speed rail, let me, because- And by the way, just back to, the housing crisis in this state explains more things in more ways on more days. That affordability issue is at the core of 90% of California's real and structural problems. This is foundational. Again, you could not be more right. It is at the core.
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of the issues that define the challenges, not just of this state, increasingly all over the United States. We talk about the future happening here first, where America's coming to traction. That's all those wonderful things that you and I were just discussing, but obviously all of these perilous issues that you have been discussing and the reason you wrote this book.
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We're, we've $13.4 billion, which 10.8 from the state and 2.6 from the feds.
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Yeah, well, there's currently our estimates, and this plus or minus, and this is a moving target, about $6.5 billion that we, based upon what we have, the current commitments. We had additional $3 billion from the federal government. Obviously, the Biden administration is trying to analyze that as they did in the last time. And then cap and trade proceeds that will continue to accrue.
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If we extend cap and trade, can you bond against that? There's a lot of variations.
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Yeah, well, we're looking at, you know, look, we extended high-speed rail. The idea is to get it in these density and population corridors, which is the point you make in the critique. and get to Fresno, for example, to Gilroy, where Caltran is. And we can then connect to San Jose and into San Francisco. We have the existing infrastructure in place. That's about an hour. You get into Palmdale.
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Now you're connecting with the new Brightline that's going all the way to Vegas and one of the fastest growing parts of the state in Palmdale where middle-class families can still afford a home. And so those are component parts. And that's where I think that $36 billion number came from. those three component parts roughly add up to that.
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Now the Tehachapi Mountains, getting them over, all of those larger issues, those are issues that obviously are component parts of this larger effort.
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Well, you're trying to get revenue generation. Once you start getting the large population quarters, if you could connect Silicon Valley to Central Valley, which is the foundational argument. And you can start sharing. We're looking at train sets that have interoperability, not just with Brightline, but high desert corridors. You have two private sector partners.
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And we're actually procuring train sets very, very shortly. As I say, we did the railhead. We're starting to lay track. This thing's starting to get very, very real. Some of the projects you did see are projects that will have profound impacts economically in terms of the upzoning, particularly in the Fresno corridor. And Fresno is a very important part of that.
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Yeah, we're not going to be able to build a new airport. I mean, the end of the day, we've got these constraints that are well-established already, these preexisting constraints. There's not a high-speed railing system that's not enjoying some popularity and success. Most, at least, are wildly popular. It's an experience no one's had in the United States of America.
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At least we're out there daring, and we're trying to advance a new paradigm.
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You know, are there things like that that could be done? I mean, I wish you wrote this damn book in 2007. That's right. Where the hell were you?
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Seriously. By the way, where were you in 2007? I was in Washington, man. Were you in Washington?
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No, I mean, but you're right. No, look, and I don't just say it's the art of the possible. And I know that back to that's a practitioner framework. I mean, I love to intellectualize all these things. Well, coulda, shoulda, woulda, but there's certain foundational facts.
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And interestingly, you made the point in the book that I have to over and over make to people, why did we start in the Central Valley? It was a requirement, federal requirement for federal dollars. Now it's not the worst idea. I mean, the Intercontinental Railroad.
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But it's also part of the state that does have, I mean, you know, you talk about ignorance, poverty, and disease. You talk about the issues of air quality and life expectancy. You talk about the economic opportunities.
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Representative democracy is a tough thing. Dictatorships are a little easy. But that wasn't representative democracy.
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No, a lot of folks in the Central Valley, a lot of the elected officials, a lot of the Blue Dog Democrats, a lot of the Democratic coalition.
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That's a lot happening. I really, this is an important point to me. But there were a lot of representatives, Democratic representatives that stipulated their support for that bill and those dollars that it go to the central.
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Look, I mean, you're very adjacent to the arguments that Elon Musk is making with Doge. Yeah. This clay layer bureaucracy, this is not representative. Who the hell are these people to make these rules? Who are these people making these decisions? And the opacity of these decisions are not made in sunshine and daylight.
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But I'll take the hit. No, well, it's not even a hit, but I mean, I think it goes to the sentiment. It goes to, I think it goes to the thematics of your book. It goes to what you're trying to stress test and what you're trying to stress upon us as Democrats that we need to be more accountable. Here's something- But let me make this point. I say this all the time to my legislative friends.
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Right when I signed a bill, I said- This happens so often, it's not an indictment of any individual legislature. It's sort of institutionalized. They think the process is done. The process has just begun.
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Program passing is not problem solving. And then that implementation application goes through exactly what you're saying. You mentioned no foes in the book. We have no fuzz, which are notice of funny availability, not opportunity. And then you stack all those things up with all these rules and requirements along the lines you suggest. just said. And I think there's absolute legitimacy.
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No, and I appreciate that. And we'll get to that question because I think it's a fundamental question. And it's interesting what you sort of define from that prism that's important because what people are actually looking for isn't necessarily what you are identifying specifically, I would challenge. as the problem. That said, what you identify as the problem, I completely agree with that.
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I was going back to my speech. My first speech as governor of the state of California. It might as well- It's quoted in here. From these pages. Yeah, literally. Said if you can build a sports stadium
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with these new rules and fast track judicial process and what we refer to, we'll get to CEQA, our California rules that go back to quite literally Ronald Reagan in 1970, as it relates to environmental review, it should work for homelessness, it should work for housing. And I announced that day,
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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uh effort to sue up to 47 cities we started with one huntingdon beach california doesn't make you popular as governor to announce a lawsuit against general city because they weren't meeting their zoning requirements under our housing element so much of that again reflected in this friction and your own reflected frustration and lived experience in the state of california but my point is this as a practitioner it's a very different reality
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But what you identify, I completely embrace. These labyrinths of rules, federal rules, state rules, absolutely. Localism, though, and I want to talk about that. Localism is determinative. And you pick on, understandably, San Francisco. But you can look at almost any city, including a Republican-held city like Huntington Beach. And the same...
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rules and restrictions apply there in the same frustrations. So from the prism of left versus right, you take the shot against liberals, But can't we argue that there is sort of quality of consideration, nimbyism that persists in rural and red parts of the country as well?
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from the game played everywhere else. It's the reason we went from the seventh largest economy to the sixth largest economy in the world. And we dominate in so many spheres, even today. But you're absolutely right. We now have to dominate on that reform agenda and we have to deal with the original sin and that's housing.
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And again, being accountable to these larger visions as well and deliver and level set with folks. And so it's in that spirit of an abundant mindset that Ezra, I'm glad you took the time to be here. I'm really moreover pleased you took time to write this book, which is an essential reading for everybody listening. Thanks for being with us.
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They have, well, you established that in the book. In Houston, you make the point, I think it was 70,000 permits in 2023, just 7,500 in a much smaller city, San Francisco, but understandable contract. But a city with more demand. More demand, and it's simply because they have no zoning. They have land use considerations in Houston. But Austin has zoning.
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And your point is a point, just to level set people listening, I completely agree. This notion of the supply-demand imbalance. I mean, you're making an econ 101 argument. And that supply imbalance is next level in the state of California. We're simply not building enough housing.
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And that goes to, I mean, and you correctly identify nimbyism and people, you know, incumbent protection racket, so to speak, not just from a corporate perspective, but someone who's very satisfied with their backyard and their views and their home and their community. They don't want density. They don't want other people moving in. They don't want any infrastructure built around it.
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As it relates to transportation, they're very satisfied with what they have. And I think, and they abuse in some respects, a lot of these rules that have been around decades and decades to advance that aim.
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We said, well, we had an audacious goal that was a study of studies. that identified what the state would need in order to address the supply, demand, and balance. But we made the point we were going through a legally binding process, what we refer to as ARENA goals. And we've established that here is the legally binding goal, 2.5 million units by 2030. And that is the established state policy.
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And that's the goal. You're not on track for that. Not even close. Why? For, well, a number of reasons. Macroeconomic. I mean, I think you have to be fair as it relates to the realities of what just occurred as it relates to the constraints around the markets.
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Interest rates are high. Obviously, we came out of a very difficult period during COVID. But fundamentally, because of the inability to get local government to get out of the way and allow for more construction. And that's why we created a housing accountability unit. That's why we've taken 800 actions. That's why we've unlocked 7,500 units. And that's why we have advanced 42 CEQA reforms.
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and some of the most significant housing reforms in California history as it relates to ADUs, which you identify.
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Kind of do in single-family home zoning and duplexes. But at the end of the day, state visions realize back to localism.
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And that's why we created this housing accountability to drive more responsibility at the local level. And and providing technical assistance. It's not just a stick, it's also a carrot. But no, look, there's, but that's the construct, right? I mean, that's a classic example of people like their neighborhoods. That's the foundation of NIMBYism.
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And look, this NIMBYism frame, which is yes in my backyard, for those wondering what the hell we're even talking about, I embrace it. I celebrate. I don't think there's been a more yimby governor in California's history. I mean, it's why we've signed so many of these bills and supported many of these bills. But you're right. That application, a lot of these are new reforms.
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They're just in the last few years in this high interest rate environment. So we'll see how quickly things unlock as interest rates drop down. But fundamentally, it's the nimbyism that drags it.
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I don't want to get into really parochial politics, but we can talk about a 500-unit project on Stevenson Street in San Francisco was never going to get done until the state intervened and compelled the hand of the city to actually move forward. Again, I mean, and you've got an ideological war that's going on in progressive cities that don't believe in the supply-demand framework.
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Majority of people saying we're quote unquote out of touch, that we don't represent you, that we are weak. Absolutely. Absolutely. We have a messaging problem. we may even break some news. So we're getting a lot of questions, a lot of calls about something that's getting a lot of attention, unsurprisingly, and that's what's going on with the Menendez brothers.
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Insane. People are fighting for eggs. What kind of world are we living in in that respect? This is bird flu, and they need to take it very, very seriously, the Trump administration.
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That first act by the new Health and Human Service secretary was a little more alarming. But the fact that he already is looking to vandalize that advisory committee, we're going to be very vigilant.
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And to be fair, so people understand, and it's not an indictment to your point about both parties, but, you know, another $8.4 trillion went to the debt under Trump administration. And to be fair, COVID had a huge part of that, but it's $3 trillion even before COVID hit. And I remember talking, by the way, you'll appreciate this, Steve.
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I remember being in Marine One talking to Trump, President Trump, about the issue of the deficit. And he literally looks at me and he goes like this with his hands. And he said, printing press, printing press, and literally dismissed.
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Well, I'm not the way he governed the first four years.
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I mean, I'm enjoying watching this in some respects. Yeah.
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Well, I think, Steve, just listening to those of you that may have some familiarity to you, but never have taken the time to actually listen to you or tune into the War Room.
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I mean, the idea that you're even talking about the corporate tax rate and the tax rate for the wealthiest among us and having, I mean, the fact that you're having this, we're having this dialogue about your different approach. I mean, in some ways it's the California tax policy as it relates to more progressive tax policy that favors the working class.
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We have moderate income taxes for middle class working folks. It's the top tax rate, which you're arguing for a little higher tax rate, which I appreciate in the corporate tax side. I don't know if it's completely dissimilar. I don't want to get you in trouble. But on the issue of tariffs, I want to go back to that because you're a big... You're a big supporter of tariffs.
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I mean, right now, this tit for tat, what's going on in Ontario, we doubled another 25% back to aluminum and steel. Up in Canada, we're already seeing the burden.
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By the way, I think there were 100, literally 100 true social posts. And with respect on terror policy, it seems a little chaotic. There's no stability. The markets are reflecting that. I used to say the most powerful force in the world was Mother Nature. Now I say the markets. I mean, people, now you're seeing even Trump's session.
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little BS, isn't it? I mean, there's a larger economic populism frame here. Let's just be honest with folks. It had nothing to do with the tyrannical nature of Prime Minister or 51st Governor of America, Justin Trudeau's policies on the border.
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You think that's going to go in effect in April? You think, I mean, with all the uncertainty, the market uncertainty, the Trump slump, all of the stress and the anxiety that people are feeling, all the doubt- I don't call it the Trump slump.
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And Steve, I mean, in terms of populism, then it's a good segue. How do you define that then? What's, I mean, is it a principle? Obviously, terror may be a component part, but how do you define populism, particularly in relationship to their reflective lens in terms of them being Democrats?
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Eighty years of relative peace and prosperity in America dominated. I mean, I mean, there's a lot.
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Well, Steve, thanks so much for taking the time to be here. And I want to take this opportunity to sort of go back a little bit and talk about your history, a little bit about your motivations and where you see this country and, for that matter, the world going.
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I appreciate how you laid all that out. I think there's risk in the context of the argument to move into a multipolar world. And obviously the security umbrellas that will radically reorganize themselves. You already seen that with Mertz in Germany, in the relationship with obviously Britain and France. But also I worry about Japan and South Korea and that relationship. I worry about
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the nature of our broader influence. But I want to step back. There was a lot that influenced a lot of those companies you said that are coming back to the United States of America. Do you not agree that the industrial policies of the Biden administration as it relates to the infrastructure bill, aspects of the IRA, aspects of the Chips and Science Act, were they not determinative
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from an industrial worker-centered policy perspective, were they not also influential in the decision for people to begin to, quote-unquote, reshore or make unprecedented investments?
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I mean, there was record investments coming back during the Biden years.
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That's what the infrastructure chips and science, 52 billion.
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And I appreciate the stick, but let's talk about those red states. Aren't they disproportionately the ones impacted by these tariffs? I mean, to your point, there's going to be some tears here. And I appreciate the larger geopolitical and what you're trying to argue for ultimately coming out on the other side. But this transition... is not overnight.
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The transition will come at real cost and consequence. Let's just be pragmatic. Up in Minnesota, Michigan, in New York, they're looking at $100 more a month on electricity bills as it relates to the retaliatory nature of what happened.
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I mean, every economist looks at the impacts of these tariffs. Obviously, California will be disproportionately impacted.
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I think it's a mutual goal for all of us. But industrial policy, which I think is missing a little bit from the Trump agenda, with targeted tariffs, I understand, but broad tariffs without an industrial policy.
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You've got to tell your president that, Steve. You've got to tell your president that. He's about to extend the status quo.
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That's my kind of doge. That's $1.3 billion. Small ball, but it's symbolic and substantive. What about the $3 billion in oil and gas subsidies? I mean, that's ultimate corporate welfare.
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It was pre-Greta Thunberg. She wasn't even born, but I appreciate your frame.
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No, we're on the same page on that. It's just how we achieve the goal. And by the way, 100% aligned on industrial policy, bringing manufacturing back that's worker-centered, 100%.
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By the way, I say that as governor of the largest manufacturing state in America, a state that has more corporate headquarters, God bless, forgive me, than any other state in America, more than we've had in over a decade, and that dominates in the innovative space in terms of scientists, engineers, researchers.
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It has resuscitated the nuclear question, which is interesting. So there's still a commitment. They haven't completely thrown out fully the commitment to low carbon green growth. But your point directionally, I understand.
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You got rid of her. That's what I was going to ask you. You had someone who was actually starting to deal with some of these issues.
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And also celebrated citizenship, which I appreciate. Active, non-inert citizenship.
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And look, I appreciate that. And you've been consistent on that for years and obviously goes to, you know, I imagine some of your issues with Elon and we haven't even gotten to that. And I know that's all gone.
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You called him evil. You called him a racist. Parasitic illegal alien. Parasitic illegal alien, I think was your exact phrase. Your phrase, not mine. Though we may share some commonality in terms of concern about what he's doing. But that said- Let me just hold it.
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I refer to him as libertarian. And I know these guys intimately, known him for decades.
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No, look, but why doesn't Donald Trump? Why doesn't President Trump, the leader of the movement, Trumpism, without Trump? I mean, maybe it's MAGA, it's the work you're doing in that populist base. But why isn't he pushing back? He brings someone in from the Treasury, puts a Commerce Secretary that only reinforces.
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Well, Elon was there a little bit before, it seemed. Elon was there before, after he dumped DeSantis.
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Well, and I appreciate the notion of agency, that we're not bystanders in the world. It's decisions, not conditions, that determine our fate and future. And that fundamental notion of agency, I think, is important more broadly. And I think that goes to some of the issues around victimization.
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I think it's more, but that's just my humble opinion.
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And forgive me, but what's his end game? I mean, you know, I know you look, he wants to be the first trillionaire in the world. I mean, what's his end game here?
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I mean, you guys- By the way, in many respects, California did. It was our regulatory process and our subsidies to create this market. You're 100% right. I think you're right about that.
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And then a big check from the federal government, from everybody watching, that backed his play early on when he was in deep need. He paid it back relatively quickly, but he's been the beneficiary of billions and billions and billions of dollars of subsidies.
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You seriously want him to take over the Starlink, to take over the FAA and the air traffic control system?
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But it's impossible not to note the world that we're living in in relationship to everything happening with the markets, everything happening with tariffs, everything happening with CR and a potential government shift.
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No, we refer to it in non-pejorative, but there's a clay layer of bureaucracy. And you're right, unaccountable folks making a lot of decisions. And I don't think that's wrong. But yours is a much more- By the way, you know what?
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And I see a lot of that, respectively, on the right, increasingly, even with Trump often approaching things from that sort of mindset.
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But our approach, Steve, is more like Rigo. We already did this, $140 billion of savings on a $1.4 trillion budget. That was real savings. And we did it the right way, not two people with people. 400,000 positions under the Clinton administration.
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Steve, I love that you're defending him now. By the way, he's been pretty soft on you. Hang on, hang on. He hasn't attacked you back, which is interesting to me. He's marginally attacked you back. I'm curious your private thoughts on that. Why do you think? He's a little scared of you, isn't he?
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I think there's sort of the grievance narrative that comes from Trump. This this this notion there is a sort of a victim.
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No, I mean, back to your point, that's deep programmatic cuts.
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That money every year- But Steve, that's why this tax cuts, extending the tax cuts is reckless in this respect.
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I know that's the frame, though you want to see it increased on corporations in the 1%.
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I've been pretty clear on this whole frame, but I'm not naive about it. But also, by the way, I don't know what more evidence you guys need of Mother Nature's fury than we've had in the last year, but that's another conversation.
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steve i really enjoy this conversation i think it's incredibly valuable and and i appreciate the spirit to which we were able to engage and yeah and and i hope we could continue the conversation and and uh and i hope we get out of this week without any further disruptions it's been a hell of a hell of a beginning of administration and and i appreciate uh your your advocacy i also appreciate that you call balls and strikes as it relates to what you're seeing uh with administration
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I appreciate it. And I want to talk more about that because I think it's interesting, just as one of the points of contrast with you and, frankly, Trump himself right now is on some of the issues of tax policy in relationship to this notion of who are you for.
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And you've been pretty critical about the proposed tax, the extension of the existing tax cuts that disproportionately favor the wealthiest. And you are making the point that it should disproportionately focus on the middle class and working class.
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I appreciate that. And we'll see. We'll see. We'll stress test that.
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Yeah, but I mean, his current proposal doesn't add up then in that respect. Blows the deficit and continues those corporate tax cuts and continues the tax cuts to the wealthiest. So it runs.
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They need seven votes on the Senate side in order to get this done. Otherwise, we've got a government shutdown. Yet another one. What is your over under on the prospects of that?
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This is part of the deprogramming, is it? Appreciate it. And by the way, for the record, I'm going down your rabbit hole right here. I'm not an absolutist as it relates to being against tariffs by any stretch of the imagination.
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So locking in the Biden-era budget, or at least extending it and kicking it out, it's the last thing I expected to see coming from your side of the aisle, or at least the MAGA movement. But also just even you saying something complimentary about Speaker Johnson, you've been pretty critical.
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And I thought it interesting where we what I think Biden tripled tariffs on aluminum and steel, which is getting a lot of attention in this country today as it relates to Canada. And Democrats weren't screaming and yelling about that.
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I can't get a trillion back to your point without significant. programmatic cuts. And I appreciate the defense frame, which is anathema. I mean, the CR increases the defense spending and locks in a higher rate. But you can't get there without cuts to something that you, to your credit, have said, you know, you can't put a quote unquote meat axe towards the Medicaid side.
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Well, $2 trillion just for the damn F-35, which, you know, we could get into that question.
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I mean, did it feel like we were going to win? No, I mean, we had that conversation. I felt like that up until election day for whatever reason. And look, but, you know, it's interesting. I had the same false sense that I think we all fall prey to. And that is I was on those campaign buses. I was out there campaigning for you guys. And it's it's make believe in many respects.
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when they say, you know, when you want to go right, they say, oh no, sir, we got to go left because that's where the crowds are and we've been working hard to assemble them.
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And I wonder just in terms of that, and I want to get back to answering your question, but I want to just applaud you for doing these red state tours, but do you fear, and I'm curious of your experiences like this, when you go into those crowds, which were huge, you were in Omaha, you were in Ohio, excuse me, as well, and you had huge crowds, but do you fear they're just, you were talking to people
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Our same folks. Do you feel like there's a bunch of Republicans that were there to listen to you?
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Yep, 63% feel, and I was grateful it was 63%. Well, here's what I say.
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What I love about what you did is you're meeting people where they are, going into red states, but you're also not just meeting them where they are, you're showing respect. You're not turning your back because you're looking at an electoral map and recent experience, say it's just seven swing states, and that's all I need to focus on.
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And I think one of the things the Democratic Party absolutely needs to do is we need to respect the fact that we have to represent the American people, and that means all 50 states. And so going back, showing up matters.
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Quite the contrary. Two-thirds of the map is deeply red. I mean, it's just America only more so in California. More hunters, more ranchers, more farmers than other states. And still the largest manufacturing state in America. People forget that as well. So this notion of industrial policy that's worker-centered.
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Yeah, friends, and what more evidence do we need to underscore this notion of these principles than what's happened today with the Alien Enemies Act, 1700s, and the deportation.
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I mean, this, to me, of all the things that has happened during the Trump administration, the notion that you can completely disregard
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uh the federal court uh and and literally challenged the court uh and we for me just just blatantly in contempt of court i mean that's that's the cornerstone of this constitutional democracy and here's what fascinates me is if that came up i watched the sunday talk shows yesterday it was all about what's wrong with the democratic party yeah why do we buy their arguments why are we fighting
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They sell above it. I mean, so then you don't want me to ask the Schumer question in the shutdown because it falls right into that frame, doesn't it? Yes. Yes.
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You know, you weren't. We weren't. I mean, just let me ask you, as a party leader, are you, I mean, there's this notion, people say, well, what's the party doing? Who is the party? And I'm asking you, I'm serious. Is the party the DNC? Is the party you and Harris? Is the party, is it Chuck and Hakeem? Who is the party? Is it the DGA?
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I don't get calls. I mean, we don't coordinate. There's not there's no deep coordinate. Heck, even in our DGA meetings, let's have that conversation. That's we're not even focused on policy. It's nice to see each other. We have those side conversations. We'll have panels and we will discuss in some respects and policy.
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But at the gubernatorial level, when we're all together, we tend to be having tactical conversations about elections. We're probably more unified than anybody, too. And we are ironically more unified.
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Yeah, I loved it. I mean, by the way, we're going to have Ezra Klein on the podcast next week talking specifically about this.
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And it makes no sense. So tell that story. It's important. And look, I mean, for things to change, we have to change. And I think we have to own what, you know, we can control the controllables and that's how we govern and be more effective.
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All right, Governor, it's great to have you on the podcast. Thanks so much for being with us.
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And in so many ways, the world we invented is competing against us as it relates to the paralysis of analysis and process years and years, as you say, to not just, you you know, get a permit, but even to zone solar projects. This is not just about large factories spewing pollution. This is also about the transition to low carbon green growth economy.
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So I couldn't agree with your sentiment and I appreciate Ezra and others bringing that up. Let me ask you though, just broadly on the issue of the asymmetry, because we keep dancing around this. And there is an asymmetry in terms of the communication.
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You talked about how you're perceived after this election, despite unprecedented amounts of money that you guys spent, Harris, Walt, on the campaign, trying to define our brand, but how successful they were defining us as opposed to Democrats defining them. It's important to underscore, and I don't think people appreciate this.
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You look at podcasts, nine out of the 10 most influential podcasts skewed to the right, nine out of 10. Thank you. to the Pod Save folks for saving us and at least allowing us to fight. You've got 14 of the 15 top rated TV shows, 14 of the 15 are on Fox. You've got Sinclair Broadcasting that's filling that void with local newspapers with 185 plus stations. flooding the zone, coordinated attacks.
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They're staying on message. They're not allowing distractions to get them distracted. And they're reinforcing a message. That's, it seems to me, that's to be a wake up call to the Democratic Party to figure that out.
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Well, that's where I wanted to start, just right up top. I mean, the timing of this couldn't be more opportunistic for both of us as Democratic governors. Look, we're in the tank. I mean, it's not just a rough spot. It's an historically low, at least in modern polling, back to the 1990s. CNN had the Democratic Party brand now down about 29%, and it was even worse.
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I think the biggest and the most alarming part of these polls is that people feel we're out of touch. And despite what I thought was an incredibly effective campaign in terms of highlighting the needs of the American people, I thought just the importance of having you on the ticket
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to articulate exactly what you just articulated, really reinforced and underscored the benefits of someone that is able to, through your lived experience and through your eyes, be able to express what I think the vast majority of people embrace. But again, they're still not embracing what we're selling. You think it's just an idea, Gavin? You think it's because we appear weak? Yeah.
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in an NBC poll that showed 27% of people supporting our party. You've been out on the road. You were just in a couple of red states. You've been doing town halls. We've talked about this in the past privately. It's not just about what you say and how you say it. It's also about where you say it. So I love the fact you were out there. So give us a sense.
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Bill Clinton said it better than anyone years and years ago after slacking, given the choice, I'm paraphrasing, the American people always support strong and wrong versus weak and right.
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Yeah, well, but this notion of masculinity is deeply part of it. That's one of the, I mean, I think it goes, you know, and you can look at the reasons why we've had this sort of dialectic over the Me Too movement. We've had this dialectic even prior to the Me Too movement. How do you fight it? Well, this notion of text. I think I could kick most of their ass.
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But it is it's a natural reaction. I think it's one of the reasons we're losing so many men. And again, it's multi-ethnic. It's not just white men. We're losing them. We're losing them to these guys online. We're losing people that I'm bringing on this podcast as well. These are bad guys, though. These are. Bad guys. But they exist. And we could deny they exist. They exist.
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Not only do they exist, they persist. And they're actually influencing young kids every single day.
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I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny? I think there's a lot of that, but I don't think it's exclusively that.
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When you talk to a guy like Steve Bannon, he reminded me a little bit of my grandfather when he talks about working folks and he talks about how we hollowed out the industrial core of this country. I understand that. So we can dismiss the notion of election denialism. We could completely dismiss what he did on January 6th, but I don't think you can dismiss
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What he's saying reminds me a lot of what Bernie Sanders was saying, reminds me a lot of what Democrats said 20, 30 years ago. I mean, he's arguing against- He hates Musk, right? He hates Musk. He hates Musk. He hates the oligarchy. He totally agrees with you on the concentration of monopolistic powers.
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He completely dismisses the notion that we should extend the tax cuts for corporations and the very wealthy. He thinks we should lower taxes for the middle class and wants to see increased taxes- But how would people say we should message?
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But I think if we say people are misogynists, then we're falling prey. We're in that frame. Not everybody that disagrees with us is a misogynist. But I think this notion of toxicity and masculinity needs to be separated. And I think it's been conflated. And I think we're going to have to work on that a little bit.
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I mean, what you're over under is about where the hell our party is right now.
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Well, they've been doing it for decades. I mean, we've saw the welfare queens. They've seen the Southern strategy. We've seen it over and over. It's an old playbook. And we're as dumb as we want to be that we allow them to do this with CRT and ESG and DEI and every three letter word. And then they demonize people. Yeah, demonize and they weaponize grievance.
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They other people, they talk down to people, pass people, they humiliate people, they weaponize difficult issues. But the problem line is, and I think it goes back to what we began with, is, and I applaud you for this, is we cannot...
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continue to be on the defense reacting to this we've got to go on the offense we got to meet people where they are but i also think this and this is where um you know this is part of the this the the conversation i'm trying to have is you you got to respect people you disagree with even and you can't just dismiss people we can't just turn our back on people what'd you learn from those guys
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That not only do they have a huge following, there's a rationale. Look, for Steve Bannon, I'm not here to defend Steve Bannon. I couldn't agree with you more as it relates to what he did on election denialism. Look, that guy, we could spend hours and hours going down the rabbit hole of Steve Bannon.
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But what he's talking about in terms of populism, what he's talking about in terms of working folks, what he's talking about from a global construct about what's happened to middle America and rural Americans and why they've lost trust with our party, what he's talking about with what's happening with men in this country and how they've lost their way and how they have significantly higher suicide rates, lives of that, you know, more despair and isolation.
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I think those are real issues that our party needs to come to grips with. How did their populism win out over ours? Because I'm actually a prairie populist. But I think we stopped talking about those things. We're not talking about what's going on with men in this country. My wife did a documentary called The Mask You Live In 15 years ago, was talking about these things.
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Somehow, I don't know what happened. The party never picked up on these core things. There's trend line. I mean, Scott Galloway gets it. He's a good guy across the board. There's a crisis of men and masculinity in this country. And that's a hard thing for Democrats because we want to lift up women. We want to lift up the oppressed. Do you think some of that comes from the threat as we lift up?
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Yeah. And by the way, and concurrently increase taxes for the middle class and the poor. And people forget that. Some of the highest tax plate. I mean, I live in a state like your state.
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I mean, look, exactly, by the way, what Bannon is arguing for, which is interesting and ironic considering some of the punditry. But let me just make this point because it needs to be made. In Florida and Texas, they tax their poorest more than we tax our richest.
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How the hell are we losing this tax debate? Yes. Who are you for? 100%. You'll pay more. You and I are high-tax states, apparently. Yeah. And they have higher infant mortality, higher maternal mortality, lower wages. They have lower insured. Lower life expectancy. Every day. And by the way, 71, I'm going to keep going, 71% of the economy in this country are in metro, blue metro.
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So the point being, it's not that we're not right. But I think we're wrong not to understand more deeply and fully that people think we are deeply full of ourselves and we're talking down to people and past people. People want to be protected. They want to be respected and they want to be connected. And I think this notion of respect is something that keeps coming back to me.
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People that just feel like we don't respect them.
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I mean, we continue to do what you and I have done. We've led the nation in terms of laws, anti-discrimination laws. We have the back of our diverse communities. We don't just rhetorically say that. We've done it through laws and regulations. We stand firm. At the same time, you know, with respect, and this is where obviously, you know, I've kind of, it's not like even a break.
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I just think there are areas where we may overreach. And I think we have to acknowledge that as well. And if you don't acknowledge that, then I think you're going to lose people on everything else. I mean, I look at the issue of gay marriage.
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And remember, I was in 2004 when our party was dismissing me because I sat and I said it was wrong to deny people the right to get married or that they weren't of the same sex. And my party vehemently opposed that. And they were very vocal about it, the major leaders in our party. I remember this. I ran on it in 2006 in a conservative district. God bless you. And stood on principle.
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Are we not doing that enough right now? No, we are doing that. We continue to do that. I think we're firm in our foundation in terms of supporting our diverse communities. It's not that. I think there's a broader message and there's a whole world out there that's not just about protecting those rights.
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It's about also acknowledging the pain that other people are feeling that often are not part of our rhetoric and our agenda. And that's what I think we need to explore.
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That's it. And that's that's we. So you were doge before doge without the pejorative sense of doge, which is not about that. It's about that's about recklessness. That's just about. destroying the administrative state. But what you're talking about is government efficiency, focusing on outcomes, not just inputs, meaning customers where they are, which I love.
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And that's got to be part of our core messaging. And I think that's our challenge with Doge is we're reacting to Doge by saying it's all terrible, which it has been to date. But this notion of government efficiency
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I thought it was a masterclass. It offended all of us. It offended me, but also I thought it was a masterclass to have all those folks up there on stage. I mean, Trump was able to communicate without saying a word, his support for free enterprise. At the same time, I thought it was kind of humiliating for those folks that felt they had to go up there.
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You think it was fear that they were up there for though? Yeah, of course. I mean, they had to fall in line. I mean, this guy doesn't play by any rules and that's why he has more options. Democrats can't govern by fear.
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Well, I think, I mean, look, back to, I think, this forensic. It's not just tactical. It's not just about, you know, how we can sort of just stretch and get another 20, 30,000 votes in these swing states. I mean, I think it's an opportunity for us to address some of the issues we just discussed. I love that you said this. You can't be pro-job and anti-business.
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I mean, you made a case for entrepreneurialism and innovation and research and development. I love that.
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i want the democrats to talk more about that i want us to talk more about not begrudging people's success but celebrating success i i agree this would be the aspirational party i want to talk about patriotism and pride not just and and and sorry god but just you know back to clinton i love what bill clinton said when he talked about community opportunity and responsibility
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I think we don't talk enough about responsibility. And I appreciated the opportunity agenda. I appreciate our focus on community and building community. But what about responsibility? What about service? What about civics? What about these notions of things that bind us together? All our interesting differences. We're good at focusing on interesting differences.
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But what about the things that unite us together? I think that's what people want to hear from our party. People want to be part of something.
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I love it. No, look, and that's why I'm such a believer in service, such a believer in shared experiences.
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It's they see exactly the opposite of that, that we're the party of the elites, that we don't represent. We represent, quote unquote, others. We don't represent them in this notion that the working class now has been or has embraced Donald Trump is extraordinary. And so I mean. You were out on the campaign trail.
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I said the universality of this notion of being protected and respected, but back to your point, 100% agree, connected. We all need to be connected. There's an unmooring that's going on in society. I mean, people just feel lost. They feel more isolated. They feel more alone. And again, particularly for young men. And so I just think we have to acknowledge that. We have to address that.
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We have to be sensitive to that. And we have to be willing to have those conversations and not feel like we're playing into the right wing when we're having those conversations.
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Yeah, and the politics go back to what you said, which I love, man. It's just the principle. What I love about you, and we're out of time, so I'm just going to end with just mad respect, is you're a man of principle. You're a man of values. You're a decent and honorable person. Forget the politician.
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What I love about the politician, Governor Walz, is that you're all of those things I just said before, the word politician. I appreciate it. No, and we'll find the political way back. But I think we have to have some humility in terms of where we are. And I think we can't be, I just think we have to be careful about being too dismissive of where they are and the progress they've made.
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And I know you broadly agree with that. And I think the vast majority of people do. But I think we're, this is an existential moment. And our unity against Trump is not increasing our trust. It's not helping the Democratic brand. You know, the more we attack Trump, which is great. I mean, we've got to do it. We've got to hold them to account. And people, you hear it. What did you say?
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We have to. Exactly. And that's what we need to. I think that's that's that's the soul searching that we need.
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And you and I both have day jobs, which we can't forget. But look, this notion of a big tent, a big tent, that's what built the middle class in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. What's brought us Medicaid and Medicare. That's what brought us the minimum wage as we know it today. It was a big tent Democratic party. Lean into labor unions. And labor. It's got to be worker-centered.
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Industrial policy that's worker-centered. That's Tim Walsh, my guest today here on the This is Gavin Newsom Show.
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I mean, it's such an interesting conversation for me to have with you and for those listening, because no one has more sort of a contemporary ear to the ground than you do just coming off a few months ago, the campaign trail, meeting people all across this country. I mean, these new numbers that came out of CNN and NBC, I mean, even you had to be shocked by how far we've fallen as a brand.
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No, and that's. Yeah, this notion of uncomfortable conversations, not just conversations. But let me step back. I love what you said, because it's interesting. This notion of our policies are popular, but our party is not popular. And it begs the question some have asked me, and I want to pose it to you. Do you think one of the mistakes is we don't focus first?
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on what we stand for and then make the case, the policy that backs that up and reinforces it. That we are not fundamentally meeting people where they are. They wanna know what we stand for.
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Is that I mean, was that fun? Foundationally, what the why was that the inspiration to go out and do it?
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why is so i mean and i want and i've i've strong opinions on that but i want to sort of stress test yours again because i think it's interesting back to my notion and you say you're the last person i'm i'm going to completely dismiss i think you're the best positioned to understand what's going on but let me reflect on this notion of you being a teacher and reflecting on on how your students did
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Did you have an opportunity right after the election to sit down over the course? I mean, I hope you took time off with the family, decompressed, but you had to have had with your team these conversations. Did you have them with the Harris team as well? Did you have them with the campaign team? Have you organized anything more formally, even internally, You've got books coming out.
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They're going to shape those internal conversations. You've got one book coming out in a few weeks called Fight that is already starting to frame what did or did not occur. Have you started that process or has that process been advanced?
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They have it. And I mean, and it's so interesting, I think, about you. And, you know, we've talked about this before, this notion of, you know, you were there was an effort to swift boat you in terms of your military service. And it's interesting. And Tim, we've also talked about the fact you were part of Kerry's campaign as a veteran promoting it, watching Kerry by these same folks get swift.
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No, and I'll remind everyone, $8.4 trillion added to the debt during the four years of the Trump administration. And if you want to dismiss that, say it was COVID, it was $3 trillion before the pandemic. He ran deficits every single year. So I stand by what you just said, Tim. I mean, what do you think happened? And look, you're taking a different approach.
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So this was a very significant announcement from the DA this week, but it doesn't fundamentally change the facts as it relates to the independent investigation in my office, the board of parole hearings, or fundamentally change or alter the process that's underway with the resentencing. It just changes the recommendation from one supporting with the previous DA in L.A.,
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resentencing and one now with the current DA opposing it. I get a question a lot about celebrity and whether that has an impact on decisions, decisions for the court, decisions that we make as it relates to applications for clemency, this commutation. And it's a great question because I think it cuts both ways. Yes, celebrity weighs. It has an impact. But in what direction does it weigh?
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Sometimes it's used actually against people because they're so high profile. They're actually held to a higher level of scrutiny and standards. At the same time, you don't want that celebrity also to influence on the other side. So it's a balancing act, but deeply mindful of it. And that's why it's critical that our team independently stress test the nature of celebrity.
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And that's why I move forward with the board of parole hearings to independently review with a group of experts, forensic psychologists and others, the facts of this case, not borne by any bias because of celebrity. So a lot of people have asked me, have you watched any of these Netflix series?
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Have you seen any of the dramatizations around the Menendez brothers, including more recently Ryan Murphy's dramatization? The answer is no, I haven't. I've not seen one. I've seen a few clips here and there on social media. And I don't intend to watch these series because I don't want to be influenced by them. I just want to be influenced by the facts themselves.
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I'm obviously familiar with the Menendez brothers just through the news over the course of many decades, but not to the degree that many others are because of all of these documentaries and all of the attention they've received. So that won't bias my independent and objective review of the facts. And again, it's not just my independent objective review of the facts.
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It will also be made by my staff, my team that does this kind of work on a consistent basis. So on June 13th, we will have the parole hearing board recommendation as it relates to the risk assessment, as it relates to the forensic psychologist.
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And that recommendation, that assessment, that independent analysis will help guide the decision making that my office is independently reviewing as it relates to the clemency application.
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And I thought it was important on some critical decisions to bring people in to the decision making process. And of course, a lot of attention has been given as of late, particularly with the Los Angeles County District Attorney's announcement earlier in this week. about the Menendez brothers and the Menendez brothers case. There's been a lot of inquiries.
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A lot of folks like you have reached out and have asked, is that influencing a determination for clemency? Does what the DA just said, does that influence the process that's being conducted by our board of parole hearings? It doesn't. It may influence the court. The court resentencing will continue to go forward.
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The DA now, the new DA, is pulling back, recommending from the Menendez brothers to be resentenced, but it doesn't impact the process that's underway, that review for clemency in my office or the independent risk assessment that will be concluded on June 13th by the Board of Parole Hearings. And I'll repeat that, on June 13th,
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This is Gavin Newsom. So when I started the podcast, I made the point that I wanted to reach out to people I disagree with and do so in a civil way to have a dialogue, people I agree with. But I also made a commitment to all of you that I wanted to break news. After all, I'm the current governor. of California, I make decisions on a daily basis.
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Both Lyle and Eric Menendez independently will have their final hearing. A report then will be submitted to me on the 13th of June for consideration. We will submit that report to the judge for the resentencing, and that will weigh into our independent analysis of whether or not to move forward with the clemency application process. to support a commutation of this case.
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He's like, no, no. This morning, wakes up at six something. He's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did you let him to take off school? No, he didn't. Of course not. He's not here for a good reason. But the point is the point.
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And by the way, just FYI, having just put together a career master plan, we had a master plan in the state of California that created the UC systems, the CSUs, and the community college system half century ago. We've applied the same discipline to a career master plan in the state of California.
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And so I'm completely aligned with you in terms of a focus and energy there and looking at pre-apprentice apprenticeships, looking not even at apprenticeships in the traditional sense, but valuing and highlighting and signaling the value of a life without a degree, etc. So I'm not as far off on this as you are.
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That said, I've got to admire what you've been able to do, not to weaponize, but to organize on these college campuses a different point of view. And again, let's talk about some of that. When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is next level. Clearly that's expressed by my 13-year-old son.
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I actually, by the way, if you did- You should be concerned. But let me say, here is why I'm concerned, because you have expressed that I should be concerned as a Democrat. That we're getting clobbered.
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No, no, hold on. You were at this before Trump was Trump. No, I know, but he- He was a Democrat back in 2011 and 12.
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The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent.
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For you, that's what you sort of attached the identity with him.
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But go back just on that, because I'm curious, in 2012, 13, 14, who were you identifying with from the movement perspective?
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And when Trump came down that escalator, you're like, boom, that's my guy.
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Right. But you didn't expect Donald Trump to come down the escalator and start talking about illegal aliens or, you know, rapists.
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No, but I know. And I, but I appreciate that. I mean, it's the reason you're here because I think people need to understand your success, your influence, what you've been up to, and the fact that you're on these college campus doors. And to your point, man, you just open up. I mean, you're like, ask me anything. Anything. Challenge me? Challenge me, whatever.
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So interesting. So Trump then became the catalyst. And so Turning Point became sort of next level. Your events start growing. You organize around that. Turning Point action becomes what?
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And you're not modeling yourself at anything because the flatness of the surrounding terrain, meaning where are the Democrats? Are you looking at other organizing states?
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And so what do you see? Just, I mean, I sort of talked about the flatness of the surrounding terrain, meaning the Democratic Party's party in some respect as it relates to, I appreciate your point about organizing, but also coercion versus, you know, sort of forcing people to vote versus an enthusiasm and a desire to actually proactively get out.
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I totally, I appreciate that. And so what do you see right now? I mean, you know, I think you talked about it the other day. A lot of folks were talking about that Carville incident
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In essence, he said that. I think it was a strategic retreat, right? That we need to come back. Trump's starting to implode. His numbers are getting soft. This was even before the tariff issues, et cetera. And then come back and strike when hot. And I...
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I immediately, no BS, thought about you, who's just 24-7 flooding the zone, back to my 13-year-old, owning this space, every day getting a convert, every day picking up one, two, 10,000 folks, continuing the momentum, coming out of this damn election. And then I'm thinking about, we're going to stand back and watch you run circles around us for six months, the next two or three years?
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When did this whole thing, when did you start putting this together?
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waiting for the moment to finally strike. Strike struck me as not necessarily the best advice, and it's not a knock on Carville who I have deep respect for. What's your thoughts? I don't think that's okay.
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What are the videos? What are the ones that are most cringy?
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What do you do? But what do you do? Seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us some advice.
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No, and I appreciate. But like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness. It's deeply unfair.
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I can see you wrestling with it. No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not relaxing with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone with four kids, you've got two daughters, right? Two daughters. And I have a daughter too.
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And a wife that went, God forbid, to Stanford and played on the junior national soccer team and a guy who got into college only because I was left-handed and could throw a baseball a little bit or hit the ball for a little bit. So I revere sports. And so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I saw that the last couple of years.
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Boy, did I saw how you guys were able to weaponize that issue at another level. Not weaponize. Weaponize may be pejorative. You're right. But you were able to- Shine a light on? Highlight it in a way that, frankly, I- There are not that many, we're talking about, I think the NC2A, what, 510,000?
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No, so I'm going to, let me step back, say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
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So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue? No, I get it. At the same time, deal with the unfairness.
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And was it literally you sat down and put that numerical together?
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I agree with you. And it's interesting. I stress tested this, Charlie. I was wondering, I said- You know, in California, and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ places, as you know, back in 2004 was marrying same-sex couples. And I know we have different opinion on marriage equality. And so I've been at this for years and years. I take a bad seat to no one.
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But I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded. I'm trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NCAA, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes. But how profound, and even my own friend cohort, people saying, what the hell is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen?
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So in 2000, turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a law established that established the legal principles that allow trans athletes in women's sports. But the issue of fairness is completely legit. So I completely align with you and we've got to own that. We've got to acknowledge it.
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I don't say that through the prism of politics because you disagree with same-sex marriage on principle. And so I'm not, and by the way, I value the fact that you're not trying to walk away from that principle because electorally, I'm in the minority of that. Yeah, in the minority. And I don't want to walk away from this principle because it's electoral, but it is an issue of fairness.
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Yeah, and devastating. Trump's for you, she's for them. Devastating.
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Devastating. And she didn't even react to it, which was even more devastating.
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And this was even more challenging because there's issues of people that are incarcerated. And illegal. And illegal incarcerated individuals getting taxpayer funding. Yes. Gender reassignment searches. That is a 90-10, not an 80-20. Right.
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And then you had the video that it was a validator. Brutal. Yeah. Tens of millions. Brutal. And then the targeted focus from the Trump campaign, next level.
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It was brutal. It was devastating. It doesn't require- By the way, we were running around just for the what the hell it's worth for you. She was AG at the time. She was addressing the issue of a legal settlement. The courts were interviewing on this topic, but she had the video where in the video, she was obviously expressed support. And so She was being a cheerleader for a very unpopular thing.
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It was a great ad, and I don't say that lightly in political animals.
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And we'll get to that, and sincerely get to that, because I want to stress test some of those fault lines as it relates to the reality of our party and where we are today, vis-a-vis your ascendancy, not just individually as an organization. But where was that sort of moment for you? Because it's interesting. I mean, you're such a young guy, so it's not like deep biography here.
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Yeah, and all the rhetoric that he's throwing at us in that context.
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So I went and let me, I'm going to answer that in a second, but let me just, let me, let me pull a few more threads. You said 2020 is when you started to see the Democrats sort of advance this notion of woke-ism.
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You know what I'm talking about. No, but I, so is it the Latinx stuff that, by the way, Not one person ever in my office has ever used the word Latinx. So could we finally put that to bed? We agree.
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Well, I just didn't even know where it came from. I'm like, what are people talking about? Was it the pronouns? By the way, once, once. You'd think California invented the frame of the pronoun. I mean, literally, I had one meeting where people started going around the table, pronouns, one. There's been a hell of a lot of days between 2020 and today, and one meeting.
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So it's not like this is, I'm like, what the hell is, why is this the biggest issue? Well, in corporate America, it's everywhere. Okay, all right. And college campuses. It must, see, that's where you reside a lot, in the college campus. You've got to defund these schools if they're doing the pronouns. You've got to like, Jesus, okay. And I said, number three, what else?
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I mean, you started, what was also the big woke-ism thing?
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When it was, there was, we're not going to hire- There was DEI decades ago. Yeah.
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And was that wrong? I mean, to address the issue of racial inequality? I mean, there's legitimate issues as it relates to power.
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It's not like 20 years in the wilderness, writing his first book, getting a TV show that was canceled, coming back. It's more just this immediacy of ascendancy. Was it, I mean, were you sort of born and bred with an ideological mindset or were you more open-minded and you started to realize a lot of BS was out there?
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That's, I mean, I mean, that's, that was lunacy. I mean, but governor, I don't want to, by the way, I, by the way, you're talking to someone who's never supported the defund. I know, but I was explicit, but,
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No, no, you know, you're smart. No, no, no. Prop 16- I taught 960 SAT, so a little humility. Hold on, no, you're the governor of the largest state in the country. No, no, no.
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California since 1996 has had Prop 209. So the affirmative action case came from the Supreme Court as relates to institutions of higher learning had no impact on California. So we've actually, it's an interesting, California also codified as a constitutional amendment, marriage between a man and a woman. And that was in the 2000s. So it- California runs an interesting sort of contract trend.
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That was not a major, there was a broader national narrative.
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And I appreciate not just the perspective. I totally appreciate what you just said as an explicit statement of fact to make an eight-year-old feel like they're racist is absurd and outrageous.
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Yeah. Okay. I appreciate it. I mean, the whole, how the CRT stuff.
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I mean, where I was trying to find it. Where is it? You think we have CRT in K through 12 education?
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But at least that explains why, because I'm just trying to find it.
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Yeah, no. All right, I got to get back into the classroom. I got six million kids. You got to get your educations up. 1,050 school districts, the largest school system. You got a lot going on, I know that. No, but no excuse because these things are important. And by the way, it's the reason we're having this conversation.
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This is very illuminating and helpful to me to understand sort of the animus. What is it about... I joke with people. I say, you guys don't like DEI, CRT, ESG, DOJ, FBI, IRS. It's all the acronyms. It's all the damn three-letter acronyms. What the hell's the issue? What's going on with all that?
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Which ones? Which others? What have I missed? EPA? Of course you don't like, yeah, you can't stand EPA.
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You're about to get that 65%. That's what Lee is calling for.
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I mean, how about the book ban stuff? On a serious note, 4,240 books or titles, libraries and schools are banned in 2023. Right. Is that not as a conservative? Well, it depends.
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No, but I mean, some have made that point. Is that a fair point?
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And as a man of faith, and I deeply admire that about you. Thank you.
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But it seems a banning binge. I mean, at next level, sort of cancel.
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I love moms, but this moms, I mean, we don't have to get into Moms for Liberty. I mean, you brought up the book bands, though. Deeply organized for a larger agenda, but that's my humble opinion. No, but I...
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I know. I just have a problem with, you know, who the hell is going to decide that government? I mean, Doron DeSantis is going to decide what I can read or say in the boardroom and the classroom.
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We've got a stress test where the Bible's included in that. I don't even want to go forward anymore on this. No, it's tough, but this becomes a dialectic.
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No, I mean, it's a provocative... I don't think it's fair. I don't mean to offend. Again, I deeply don't mean to offend. By the way, Father Kaz would be offended with me. If you think the Bible's pornographic, we have a whole... Most of these books are quote-unquote not pornographic. There's sections that are kind of
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Some would agree on that. Can I just say one other thing?
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Okay, then... No, they can. They just can't get fired for not doing that. And it wasn't just trans. They can't get fired for not doing that. The law was explicit, said you can't be fired... for not snitching on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay. And my point is, how in the hell are you telling- But shouldn't the parents know? They have every- Wait, is telling parents snitching?
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No, the teachers themselves have the right, the law is, they can do that. They can do that. We're not saying you can't do that. We're saying you shouldn't be fired if you choose not to say Johnny was talking about liking some other boy or something. That's a charitable reading. It's not charitable, it's actual. The freedom not to snitch.
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Whose kid is it, though? I want these teachers to teach. And by the way, they feel like the health or safety of their kid, they have a responsibility to communicate. They still can. By the way, we're not selling these teachers they can't. We're saying they won't be fired if they don't look around and say in the recess, there were two boys. Why didn't you see that? You're fired. You should have
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And you might disagree. But I'm one of those guys, and Charlie, I appreciate it. And I, by the way, appreciate the civility in which we're engaged in this conversation, sincerely. I don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on principle. It's one of those things. Everything's not political is the point. And sometimes the principle, and by the way, mad respect for you on abortion and
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I hold views where the American people don't agree with me. Exactly. But I admire that on principle. But for me, it's not just political. And I appreciate you making that point. I deeply am mindful of the politics of this, which are very unhelpful. Personally, it's unhelpful. More broadly, professionally, the Democratic Party and our brand.
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And one of the reasons, to your point, the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.
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No, I appreciate, but I also appreciate you hold deeply unpopular beliefs.
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I'm not going to run for president as a moderate. What are you, what are you, what are you running for office? I'm not running for anything. I saw a poll in Arizona that you were like one or two. You have the highest name ID and favorability. When are you running? Is that what this is all about? No, it's definitely not. By the way, you're not even old enough to be president.
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You're only 31 years old. You gotta be, I mean, you and AOC. I'm not running for anything. You're gonna run against AOC?
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I was just out there. I wasn't out there trying to champion the bands.
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Back to the Democratic Party. We talk about just, we're not aligned with them. They don't trust us. I think we have 31 favorability, 57% unfavorability. I'm surprised it's that high, Governor. And by the way, thank you, 31% favorability is not good enough. So, I mean, back to just the basics. So you talked about wokeism broadly defined. We talked about some specific examples of that.
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You began on the transport, which is interesting, and I respect and appreciate that.
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I appreciate it. Well, we just did. I know, I know. Of all of you. I mean, and I've been, by the way, I've been saying that. It's so interesting when it gets picked up. And that maybe goes to the question. We live in these filter bubbles. We're talking to ourselves.
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We're in these sort of, yeah, it's Newsmax, One American News, Fox, and then it gets into all the stuff that you guys are doing and everybody else. And meanwhile, I'm safe over here at MSNBC and CNN reading the New York Times, feeling really great about things and having a nice glass of Chardonnay, listening to Rachel Maddow, self-medicating and just going, yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah, the French, that's, of course, the only place I eat. And, you know, great takeout and the whole thing. Well, I should have been at Applebee's. I get it. Applebee's America. I read the books. Come on, man. In-N-Out Burger. Be with the people. And here's a guy who makes 25 times more money than I do sitting here with a jacket. And I'm sitting here with a senior t-shirt.
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on the planet. We don't control, the people control the fifth largest economy. And by the way, proud that you know it's a 3.89 trillion dollar economy. With a declining population. No, the population went up last year. The population went up last year.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
We'll talk about that later. I got a whole thing. That's just factually untrue in that respect.
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By the way, 394 National Guard that I put down at the border six years ago. You should be championing that as governor of California. 394 we have down at the border. We've been focused on fentanyl. I've been working on this.
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Yes, I was talking about the importance of never... Well, I can't help you with the reservation. I get such a kick out of this whole shtick. I got to be honest. Very nice. By the way, we couldn't have this conversation without conversation. dumbest bonehead move my life, okay? Own it, move on, grow up. And I'm trying to- Is that you talking to yourself? That's me talking to myself.
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I'm just looking, I'm staring, I'm looking right at you in the eyes as I say that, just to get your reaction. That said, we are- We're losing. I feel it's asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk sitting on tweets or you doing social media and then me doing a three-minute hit at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on CNN. I mean, how the hell do we compete? We're toast.
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What is masculine about a podcast? Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere, this bro podcast.
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We don't do it. You're right. For whatever reason, don't do it.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
Well, not like conservatives are massively disagreeing. Hold on.
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Well, it seems like Congress is really doing great oversight of Trump right now. They're holding him to account.
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And so anyway, but I- No, I appreciate it. No, but it's objective truth, right? I mean, you just dominate this media. I mean, it's medium, but it's interesting. You're making a deeper argument that we're not, and you didn't say it again in a maligning way, but that we're just not- capable because we're not hardwired to be able to participate in this.
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I would do that, 100%. I've never liked this cancel call. I mean, I'm glad to hear you say that. I remember back when I was lieutenant governor, I think Bill Maher was trying to get on the UC campus or something. They were saying Bill Maher was too conservative voice. And we called that out at the time. It completely said, but it's equally insane that people are boycotting Bud Light.
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I mean, how is that not called out? Because I don't drink, but yeah, I mean like- You don't drink at all? I mean, no. By the way, I'm just, that's interesting. You don't? No. Never have?
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It's interesting. So what would, and you keep saying we, which is interesting, and that's the organization that you created.
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What happened? A couple of years ago, you stopped? I stopped, yeah. Why'd you stop?
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Here we go. Right? Are we going to get a little- I'm going to stop using my Lord and Savior in vain like that, man. By the way, forgive me. I deeply respect you. And by the way, do respect your faith. I'm serious. It's like the fourth time. I mean, come on. Okay, I appreciate it.
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But a boycott is not, I mean, well, there's boycotting speakers. There's boycotting that is a derivative of cancel.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
I appreciate that perspective. So let's go back to Democrats being totally incompetent, incapable of spending 30, let alone 45 to an hour having a conversation broadly on podcasts.
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You're not there yet. It's like becoming Gavin, like becoming Michelle, right? But so what, I mean, who do you, are there Democrats you do, forget, literally, any Democrats you admire out there right now? I mean, even beyond just the podcast thing, that you look and say, Jesus, there's hope.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
On principle, there should be. Absolutely. That's a deeply held personal point of view. God bless. I agree.
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And I say this as one of the biggest champions for reproductive freedom on the planet.
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So when did you decide to sort of just shift your gear? I mean, you were working for another Kirk, for his campaign. Mark Kirk, yeah. Mark Kirk. So you had a political, obviously you had strong political leanings or at least desire to sort of be in the political sphere, but not in elected office necessarily. You just want to be behind the scenes.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
Oh, look at you. Look at Charlie Kirk. Diversity is strength. I mean, I want to end the podcast right there. But first. I said you could say. You could say. Do we have ultimate editing here? No, you better not edit any of this. We're not going to edit any of this. And by the way, no reason to edit any of this, despite my use of inappropriate words here and there.
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Let me ask you just on the Democratic Party side, forgive me, I do want to just look, where, so our effort to get out of the wilderness, you know, on the woke culture wars, on some of these issues, on providing a more diverse environment, campus, dare I say, of opinion and pulling people in.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
But what else do you, I mean, do you feel this party, I mean, you had a point that the Republican party is now going to be the dominant and Senate party.
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This was the question that I'm not articulating very effectively. But I remember so many of the similar contours of this conversation we were having in 2004 and 2005. You just got shellacked both houses of Congress. Republicans, you had a Republican president that won the popular vote, the last Republican president to win the popular vote. And two years later, you had Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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Four years later, you had 53% of the vote, the highest since 19-what? I don't know, 6%.
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Okay, give me the B plus advice. All right, because the secret stuff I'm not sharing. No, what is your secret stuff? Why don't we go right to there? That's secret for a reason. What is it? Is it technical or is it substance? Oh, it's all of it.
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I'm not talking about a presidential. We're not talking about a presidential run. This is not about that. No, no, no. You got, by the way, you guys are so obsessed with the idea that every goddamn thing I do, I said it again. Yeah, I said it again because I needed your emotional reaction. That everything I do. is framed in that context. Talk about Trump derangement syndrome.
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I want to make sure I know this. We have been. I, in fact, directly, we actually put out the data. I actually reached out to the administration saying, are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates with all CDCR releases over 10,000? Explain the sanctuary state thing then. What is the difference? You've got the statewide sanctuary state. Which Governor Brown signed it, not you.
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Yeah, which in the statewide framework allows us to work as it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the release of criminals from our state prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation. We've done that over 10,000 times since I've been governor. We're not denying access. We're not denying coordination for criminals.
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But you don't believe in it fundamentally. It's not just sports. It's not style. You just don't... I mean...
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I've got 25 TikToks of what your feelings are. So actually, that was a question I didn't need to ask.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
But like, I mean, look- No, homeless and encampments out of control, unacceptable. Yes, but- Issues of just quality of life.
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That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. By the way, you guys weaponized that. I saw that on 25 things. It was the most ridiculous. The weaponized. That was, you know what? I will happily, happily revert back to your counterpoint. Can I have the streets as clean as G.G. King? Weaponized. In this case, weaponized. Can I get the G.G. King streets back? It was ridiculous.
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By the way, it was AIPAC who had dozens and dozens of foreign leaders. And California is not San Francisco. But I'm the governor of California. I'm the mayor of California. I'm not the mayor of San Francisco. You were the mayor. But I just want to understand, why is it that we have to clean it up?
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That's exactly my, by the way, that's my energy. I think you've missed a lot of my press conferences. I've been saying that to all these mayors. State vision is realized at the local level. It's about accountability, transparency. If you can't clean up the streets, we're going to redirect the money.
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Great progress is being made. By the way, what's going on with homelessness in all these red states? You're seeing it through the roof, went up 18% across the country.
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This is hardly unique to California. Fair enough. I'm sure there's a lot of governors and mayors.
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And you saw the college campuses as sort of the underbelly of the opportunity, or is it just more just experiential in terms of your own sort of animus towards the institution? Well, I mean, both.
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I think, and then turning around and renting them. It's insane, right? This is a huge problem across the country. You should propose a bill in the California state house. We've had one. It didn't get very far last year. And there's more conversations.
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But it's not just BlackRock specifically. I mean, it's what's happening in this space.
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I love that you say this. By the way, just in that spirit, don't you agree one of the Doge things should be dealing with the $1.5 billion of subsidies on carried interest?
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On the issue of housing, you couldn't be more right. It's the original sin in the state of California, affordability, period, full stop. And it has more impact on the issue of homelessness than any other issue because of the cost of living. By the way, we had 188,000 people in 2005, 20 years ago. on the streets and homeless and our point in time count.
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So this is hardly unique to modern California. But it's been a long-term issue. And housing is at the core.
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Well, there was something called a pandemic that may have had a little impact. Issues of interest rates may have had a little impact. on housing production across the country.
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But hold on, hold on. Except Hawaii. 42 CEQA reform bills created a housing accountability unit. How's it working? And we're making big progress. We've done all the rezoning. I don't see any of it, but yeah. We've been pounding in this space.
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
There's no administration in modern California history that's done more to reform the housing space and the regulatory space as it relates to the issue of housing. Biggest challenge right now is NIMBYism. The biggest challenge we have is local planning and zoning. And that's why we've been very aggressive.
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And so I have a NIMBY mindset on all this stuff. I'm in the front lines of this. Your friends, and they are your friends down in Huntington Beach that I'm suing. They're conservatives. Pastors or what? Or the city council? The whole crew. They love you. All the MAGA faithful. They're 99. Who's living who in rent free in whose head? One of those smaller towns?
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And, This Is Charlie Kirk
We're suing them because of their rank nimbyism. We have been very aggressive in this space. I'm waiting for one big thing we all are waiting for. And I think it had a biggest, perhaps one of the biggest impacts that we don't focus on enough in the last election. That was interest rates. As interest rates, that environment.
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And you're going to see an explosion of housing production.
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Well, to me, it's all about supply, right? Econ 101, supply and demand.
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By the way, I haven't been governor for a century, okay? I mean, Jesus. I mean, we've been six years.
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But you also got to take responsibility for some of the problems. I can take a little more credit on the generative. 32 of the top 50 market cap companies.
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Yeah, no, and look, I think it's a full circle on this conversation where you began by identifying- No, but it's a point. The point you're making, Scott Galloway and others have been making as it relates to this generational theft. Yes. He's spot on on this. And I think there's so much validity to you recognizing that problem. So diagnosing is one thing. And President Trump as well.
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He deserves credit. And I mean, I think, yeah, he deserves credit.
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By the way, I just spent almost 90 minutes with him in the Oval Office a couple of weeks ago. Isn't he the greatest? And I think it was the first Democrat invited in in Trump 2.0.
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By the way, I did almost 90 minutes with Biden right before he left in the Oval. Did he remember? By the way, that'd be a hell of a book. 90, you know, 180 minutes. I should do a book of the two of that bookmark. By the way, he a hundred percent was.
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Just a fact. It's a, it's just, you can, do you think there was any mental? There's no, no, seriously.
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There was one exception. And I, and it was that no, no, no. Before the debate I was about to say, uh, and that was the big fundraiser down in LA where I'd saw a
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Have you seen any mental decline in Donald Trump right now?
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No, I'm just asking. I mean, I know. I'm just asking your personal experience. No, of course not. How often do you talk to Trump, by the way? Once or twice a week. Is he checking for advice or is it you give him advice? A little bit of both.
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Yeah, it was like, Mr. President, here's what you need, or here's the thought.
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No, on that, that, I just want to thank you. This is Gavin Newsom. This has been Gavin Newsom. Thank you. This was fun. Thanks, man.
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And remind us what Joe Biden did in 2020. It was 13 points better.
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So that goes back then. I mean, to your point, in order to do that, you've got to stand for something. You've got to assert yourself. You've got to have a strategy and you've got to implement it. You also have to not believe crazy stuff. And not believe crazy stuff.
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I mean, and so for you, I mean, it's interesting, just, you know, this last week, I guess you were at USC, you were at University of Florida, you had thousands and thousands of folks. You get to your point, your crowds are growing. 2012, where were you? You were coming in and people were, I mean, you were taking, I mean, you were like getting threats.
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I mean, you still get tons of threats, but it was, I mean, what was it like just to paint a picture of you walking to a college campus?
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And wouldn't you just say, I'm available, and you started at this sort of debate format?
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18 or 19. And you just, by the way, where does that end? And sincerely, to be able to debate anybody at any time, anywhere, and in that environment, it's just, I mean, just, you can say it's just confidence or it's just absolute, I mean, narcissism. What is it?
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Yeah, exactly. And are you 10X better than you were in 2012? Yeah. At the format? Probably. Probably. And you study it or you just participate? I mean, you look at the old great debates or you're reading debating books, you're watching some of the best. I mean, yeah.
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Right. All those things. And so you make a point prior to that. I mean, to the point you never went to community college. And I didn't even graduate community college. And you didn't even graduate community, which is great. By the way, I was going to college in Marin. I got lucky. I got a baseball coach that called me and allowed me to get to a four-year university.
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I was joking with you before we started, 960 SAT. I asked you about your SAT. I don't even know. I took the ACT. You took the ACT, which proves two things, how young you are and how different things were. You grew up in Illinois.
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But this has been a point of pride for you that you didn't do a four-year degree. Well, yeah, because I represent most of the country.
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By the way, I knew you were at USC early because my niece, who's graduating- She was the one with the MAGA hat on. She was, by the way, I do have to watch, but she was down there and she was like- You never know.
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Love that. And there are, what, 11 million folks. There are 11 million jobs out there. You make this point all the time. Oh, yeah.
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Do not require a college degree. So when you say, and it's interesting because there's sort of that critique of the Democratic Party that we are captured by this sort of college elite. In what respect? I mean, stress test that for a second. Allow me to. What specifically are you referencing in that context?
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Why do you think that's the case? What are the issues that sort of are identified, aligned in that respect?
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I'm aware. She said, this crowd's crazy. And the only reason she said it, she would have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were coming on. The worst part though, Charlie, no BS, true story. Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, dad. I just, what time? What time's Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13.
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It's interesting. And so from your perspective, I mean, as you advocate for people to sort of open up a worldview that is life without a four-year degree and all the opportunities that present themselves anew in that respect, are you arguing for the disestablishment, the end of higher education?
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Right. And so just, and I don't want to belabor the issues of the establishment plot called higher education. Some have not you referred to it, though maybe you align yourself. I wrote a whole book called The College Scan.
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So it's sort of stress testing that in the context of some would argue the contra argument is, you know, a million dollars more in lifetime earnings, more likely to get married, less likely to get divorced, more likely to be civically engaged, and longer life spans. with college degrees. And you would say- All of this is true.
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I don't know. I mean, we fucked it, but I'm not sure. That's one of the courses. See, the fact that you don't know. Well, I don't know every single damn course. I know. It should be like, no way.
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Well, the fact that a lot of people have explored different disciplines. That's fine. It's just the taxpayer shouldn't have to fund it. Well, I mean, increasingly individuals are funding, as you know, as it relates to the talk about the inversion of how we fund education.
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I think there's a way of doing it and approaching it. And I think we have a broader problem, which is immigration policy and asylum abuse. The asylum system is broken in the United States of America.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, not directly. And we have no direct border except for supplementing our support, which we, again, have been doing for years and years and years.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
That's why we talk about the border, which is critical.
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Now you're having, so this is interesting. Just the last comprehensive survey in the state of California, and this is not a contemporary survey, needs to be updated, said that 67% of people that are here without documentation in California have been here for 10 plus years along the same lines. Are they paying taxes? 60s and paying taxes.
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And therein lies, yes, some of the sort of dialectic you and I will have to have in terms of what's the appropriate level of support and how you deal with that reality. The federal failure to address the issue of immigration, immigration policy, and border, we completely agree with. The question is, what's that pathway to address the example you just provided?
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You pay, well, then you need a better accountant because it's 13.3%.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
Right, right. Yeah, I mean, the reality is we have the highest tax rate, but not the highest taxes in America. Who has a higher state tax? Tax rate. The vast majority of people are not you. They're not the 1%, which means 99% of other people pay different taxes. I'm subsidizing them. No, but at the end of the world, we can get to that.
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But the bottom line, places like you use Florida, they tax their low-wage workers more than we tax our high-wage workers.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, there's many reasons, and you don't need to work. I know this. There's one thing I know. Of course. You, of all people, do not have to work.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
I love it. I was with Voltaire. He said, work solves life's three great evils, boredom, vice, and need. Who said that? Voltaire.
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Boredom, vice, and need. Look, I'm with you. But I think it's important, just in California, the vast majority of middle-class taxpayers pay less than they do in California, middle class, than they do in states like Texas. Well- It's a question of who you're for. We have the highest- How much, to what level? What level do they pay low? We are an average to slightly above average taxed state.
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It's the 1%. And by the way, we haven't raised your taxes at the 1% since 2011. And it wasn't, by the way, it wasn't governor. It wasn't lieutenant governor. I just became lieutenant governor. It was the voters of California that did that.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
By the way, I'm not advocating for increasing taxes. Haven't done it as governor of the state of California. No income tax increases under my governorship. I've opposed them. In fact, did $5 million of ads to stop Proposition 30, which was a tax increase run by corporations in the Bay Area that had their own special tax increase where I did ads to oppose it and oppose the wealth tax in California.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
So we're trying to keep you here, Dr. Savage. keep you in the great state of California.
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Of course, it was always illegal. It wasn't never not illegal. Okay, so I'll bring up voters. By the way, what substantive evidence is there to suggest that you have any receipts to back up that all of these people are voting illegally in California?
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And, This Is Michael Savage
It's a good line. My line, I tell my kids, I said, how you do anything is how you do everything. It's true. So you got to focus on the detail, how you make your bed. And it's how you do everything. You actually make them make their beds. I make them make their beds. I make my bed too, by the way. People don't believe that.
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It's ridiculous. Why? It's ridiculous. It's because it's, and by the way, we've been having this conversation enough. And it's a, first of all, we believe that every vote counts. So we want to make sure every vote is counted because of the provisional ballots, the fact we do all mail-in ballots, the fact that we have such huge investments in making sure that we increase that outreach.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
We want to make sure, again, every vote counts. But you're right. I'm right about something? No, absolutely. The right is right, and you are right to criticize the extended period. I'm not actually a right-winger. I'm an independent guy. You're an independent conservative.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
What I love about you, this is where we have some interaction periodically, and I look at you as you're an animal rights guy that's not big into the animal rights thing.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
We need to talk about the fires. This last decade has been extraordinary and devastating, not just in Los Angeles, but the Camp Fire, where I originally was with President Trump as governor-elect, walking there, 85 people lost their lives. We live very close, both of us now in Marin, Santa Rosa, the Tubbs Fire, 5,600 people. housing units lost. So no, this is serious stuff.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
And God bless, there's fires going on in the middle of winter in North Carolina as we speak.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, there should be accountability across the spectrum. Who's accounting for it? Well, FEMA has rules and regulations that are overseen by Congress. And obviously, the distribution of those funds, a lot of it's individual aid. A lot of it's through the SBA. A lot of it have very prescriptive requirements that are well-established across the country. But- We're all for accountability.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
By the way, sometimes my wife doesn't even believe it because they're a few days off. But let's talk about, you know, you've never taken any time away from the Bay Area. I mean, for all, you've been here since the 70s. 74. And you've 74, you went to Berkeley, PhD in 70 years.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
I'm for accountability and I have no problem. And I think in terms of that transparency and accountability, advocating for it and for all our tax dollars, not just as it relates to rebills.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, as it relates to the specific bill that he referenced that Scott Wiener just introduced, one of 2,000, Michael, over 2,000 bills were just introduced by the legislature. Too many bills. There's not 2,000 problems. I know you think there are a lot of problems. You don't think there are 2,000 problems in California. I don't think there's two problems.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
The hell are you doing here? What are we doing here, the two of us, of all people?
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And, This Is Michael Savage
We'll get to language and culture in a second. We talked a little bit about borders, but no. So first of all, I haven't had a chance to review it, so it's difficult to respond specifically about it. It's not on my desk. It may never end up on my desk. Which of these bills? The bill that he was referencing from Scott Wiener. And that's not just me punting on it.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
But let me talk about the rebuild in L.A. I'm not looking to upzone the palisades. We're not looking to make this sort of developer-friendly. In fact, I waive the Coastal Act and I waive CEQA, which is our environmental reforms, to allow people to rebuild like units within 110% of the original footprint with the original plans, fast-tracking that process. We got the debris removed.
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And, This Is Michael Savage
And thank you to the EPA. Thank you, Lee Zeldin. Thank you to President Trump. directly for helping. We got the debris for the hazardous waste done in less than 30 days, unprecedented in US history. We want to get the rest of this debris done within nine months.
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Concurrently, we're already doing housing permits and people are going to start reconstruction in a matter of months, but you got to build back smarter, better. You got to deal with the climate realities. You got to deal with fire issues. You've got to deal with redundancies and systems related to
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Not going to slow everything down. We do this concurrently. We do this in a sort of stacking order. We're trying to do this quickly, but safely and smartly because we don't want to be as dumb as we possibly want to be by building back in the way that we built in the 50s for a world that no longer exists today. And you have to admit, hots are getting hotter, dries are drier.
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Droughts, these atmospheric rivers. No, no, no. Mr. Savage, please. Let's slow down.
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I know. But your eyes tell you a different story too, right?
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I like a Berkeley graduate that bicycles every day and writes books about nutrition. Right. Believe me, I hate pollution. Is the original, I mean, the guy who's inspired so much of what Trump is advancing today.
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But don't you, and- Before that, because to be fair on the climate issue, I mean, but you'll acknowledge. I mean, seriously, just, you know, you're a Northern California guy. You go up to Lake Tahoe, just the snow levels. I mean, there's some trend lines here that are understandable headlines.
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Yeah. No, I mean, look, you don't have to believe in science, but I do. I joked about believing your own eyes. I mean, places, lifestyles, traditions, communities being wiped off the map. We had a three-year historic drought, the most significant drought, California's history drought since statehood. And it ended in three weeks with the wettest three weeks since statehood. Correct. The wettest.
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She does last bats a thousand. Chemistry, biology, physics. That's all mother nature is. I'll agree with you on that.
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By the way, in 1967, Ronald Reagan, then governor, agreed with you. He created the California Air Resources Board because of the smog. In L.A., we wanted to clean the air, Clean Air Act, 1970. Did he do it? And our waiver was caught. That's what Trump's attacking right now.
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There's that beautiful picture of Reagan in the Oval looking down at President Trump as he vandalizes Reagan and Nixon's leadership on clean air.
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No, we're getting along, Trump and I. Well, here's the question.
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How is that possible? We didn't spend $50 million attacking him. We hope we don't use a penny of it. We were involved in 122 lawsuits in the last Trump administration. I was only involved in two years of that. Governor Brown, who you know well, had on your show over the years, was involved.
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Years ago. And I say that only to make the point that you're always someone that reaches out. And I've always appreciated that.
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We're having a civil conversation. So look, we didn't put that money up to go after proactively Trump. We're doing to protect Ronald Reagan's leadership at the California Air Resource Board.
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They have wine on Trump's Air Force One. He doesn't drink. No, I know.
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So they were very excited. I mean, that's because I remember you wrote a poem in 1977, right? About white male. You saw that? You wrote a poem. The death of the white male. The death of the white. In the 70s. How do you know that? You were talking about that. Someone gave you a background on the- I've been tracking you. We've been casing you for years and years. Someone's watching me.
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I agree. By the way, you are as well. But I've always felt that about you.
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Yes. I had a Schroeder's restaurant. Was it 30 years ago?
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Ray Taliaferro, which you can't even make up. You subbed for Ray Taliaferro, who was a liberal lion back in the day, late, late night. Remember that? KGO. Late, late night. KGO. And so that was obviously such a success. And obviously you woke a lot of people up.
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You literally said for Ray Taliaferro. I mean, I'm talking about left. I mean, Bernie Sanders is a right-wing conservative. Don't even mention his name. No, compared to Ray Taliaferro. And he's sort of dominant. But so you got your own show the next year.
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But not just took off. I mean, you had, what, 9 million?
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So, I mean, you were the, I mean, you talk about this whole space. I mean, we, and you know, how everything's changed. You've got your podcast now radio, but you dominated this space.
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Anybody. Anybody. Including myself. Are you good about your good self? But I don't want to, I mean, I love, even Joe Rogan, which is interesting, called him a meathead.
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I don't listen to him. But, you know, it's a reason. I don't have the time.
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You like him. I appreciate it. But you don't like Glenn Beck. You called him, what are you, hemorrhoids with eyes?
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By the way, speaking of Trotsky and Lenin, you were hanging out with Allen Ginsberg. Yes. Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Yes. Quite literal, maybe. I mean, Lawrence, a port laureate in San Francisco. Oh, yeah. Many moons later. You had some, you know, interesting moments back there in North Beach, back to North Beach. Yes.
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I don't. I agree. I think, no, I'm fascinated by Tucker.
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People can't believe that either. Jesus. I remember that. I was watching you every night. Did you see the night I imploded? That was, well, you expressed a strong opinion that was not necessarily shared by many.
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But it's amazing your resilience. But more importantly, I want to go back, though. You dominated this space. And so basically, and you're still at it to the point. You don't need to do this. Obviously, you love doing it. You're entertaining as hell. It's not all just political punditry. I'm edutainment. Let's say there's a- You edutainment? Is that how you describe it? Is it?
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I mean, has that been the secret sauce? I mean, facts, sure. But I mean, you're talking about what you're eating. You're talking about- Yes. Recipes, what you did last night.
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Dude, so what do you make of today? What do you make of the Charlie Kirk types and Tucker that, I mean, all these folks, these new platforms, hundreds of, I mean, they seem to be profoundly influential in sort of building off the craft you have. sort of led decades and decades ago. I mean, they're sort of the, oh, forgive the frame, but OG of so much what existed.
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Well, just sort of, well, in the vernacular of, you know, original gangster. Oh, God, yeah, right. You know, I mean, I'm using, you know, just some language that people can appreciate. No, now I understand, yeah. No, but I mean, literally, it's the world you invented.
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And you also, as you're walking the streets, express your point of view about the politics.
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Well, I mean, you should. City's coming back. City's coming back. Here's what happened.
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By the way, North Beach Restaurant, just real. So that's another conversation.
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It's not acceptable. Nor are the encampments, nor are the tents. I couldn't agree with you. We're driving accountability.
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Well, remember, I did Care Not Cash. My body was burned in effigy. It became the defining issues. When I was mayor, we reduced the street population by a third. Why are they still there? We reduced the overall population. Well, it's not a static environment. I wasn't mayor. It's been decades. plus a second and a half. I'm the governor, but I'm not the mayor of California.
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And I want to see accountability at every level of government. The state vision is realized locally. It is turning around. I still don't go there that often. Oh, you got to, you got to, the neighborhoods are thriving in San Francisco. I'll go in with Romero as my bodyguard. You got a new mayor. She's great. He's pretty incentrist, isn't he? Yes.
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And he's cracked down on the tents and the encampments and you're seeing progress. We're starting to see that across the state.
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I mean, come on. You love eating in San Francisco. Scomas and the war fairies.
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Yeah. I mean, look, when I was there, when I was mayor, you may recall this. I did a sit-lie ordinance. I did this anti-panhandling ordinance. I did care not cash, converting welfare checks to services and accountability. We saw real progress. I've been very aggressive on encampments, just did a new executive order in the state.
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And we're flooding the zone with state support in a way we've never done in the past. When I got there, Michael, this is important. There was never a governor that actually, there was no homeless plan. Yeah. in the state of California. There was no support for cities and counties, and it felt that way.
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We had, under Schwarzenegger, it's not a knock on Arnold, but it goes back to 2005, we had 188,000 homeless in California. It's not new, what's happened now.
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I agree with Focus. I 100% agree broadly with that sentiment in terms of coercion. Just so you know, we just did two major reforms. We've had all these old conservatorship laws that are weak. We finally have strengthened the conservatorship law so we can begin. to get people off the streets.
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We also established a new paradigm called Care Court, which is a whole new strategy to also help in advance to address that subset of people. And we did the most significant mental health reforms and investments in state's history. Those resources are going out to do regional centers
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Along the lines of what you're suggesting, but with a different paradigm of thinking, more supportive care as opposed to substituted care in the vernacular of all the quote-unquote experts. And we're trying to make up for this, and you'll appreciate this as a Californian. In 1959, at peak, 1959, California had 37,000 mental health beds. Today, 5,500. Correct.
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No, no, for double the population today. So we had half the population in the late 50s and 60s. Yes, of course. And we had 37,000. So what we're doing, we just did this initiative, Proposition 1, to provide 6,000 plus new units that were all throughout the state and were regionalizing along the lines of what you're saying. Mental hospitals.
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Literally, behavioral health, substance abuse, mental health. And literally, it's the biggest investments in U.S. history. Biggest investments. But do they have to comply? That's what the conservatorship reform, SB 43, was about. That's what our care court is about.
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They can refer them through the care court. In fact, a police officer, quite literally now because of my care court, can refer. In the past, they could not refer that individual.
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It's interesting. Well, Bizum, we have more Fortune 500 companies than any time in the last decade.
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I love that. But it's, I mean, it is a remarkable journey for you. I mean, if I just wrote out your resume those early years, not only were you in San Francisco and in the Bay Area getting a PhD, but it was the PhD in what? It was around nutrition. It was on ethnomedicine. Ethnomedicine.
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And you saw what did I do. I joined in the law. I literally said I'm with Elon Musk attacking the Coastal Commission. I couldn't have been, I was very vocal.
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We had 51 launches last year, which is a record since 1974. Why would you not want a rocket company in California? Come on, we have the Mojave Desert, we have Vandenberg, and we have Rocket Beach, which is Long Beach. We're starting to dominate in this space. I hope so. And we have record-breaking launches out of Vandenberg. We're making with relativity, not just SpaceX, all of these aerospace.
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I'm not personally, I think a lot of people like Elon want me to go to Mars for the wrong reasons.
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So let's talk one, and we're out of time, but I want to just, before we're done, I do want to talk about Trump and Trumpism. You have to be pretty proud that the issues of border and language and culture, I mean, the president just came out saying English is the language.
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Right, I mean, this is stuff you've been preaching for decades.
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We do at California Hall of Fame. Why am I not in it? By the way, you are in the Radio Hall of Fame.
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I You know what? You want things to be lit up? You want me to- I want a billboard on the highway again. I'm going to announce you in the California Hall of Fame. That will light things up, Mr. Savage. But I deserve it.
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No, it's unbelievable. And you haven't left the state. For a lot of these guys, turn their back on California as they're attacking it. You haven't. So I admire that. I do. I mean that sincerely.
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Yeah. And no, and the whole point of this is not to have those conversations because those I can hear 24-7 on Spotify.
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No, I appreciate it. And it was an honor to be, however helpful, I don't know how much helpful. I mean, this was on all of it, on the merit substantively and everyone doing the right thing. But when they don't do the right thing, I call it out. I can't stand cancel culture. I love free speech.
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I can't stand when someone, I remember Bill Maher was going to Berkeley or something and they said, Bill's too conservative and too controversial. I've never liked that. Called it out then, will continue to. So I don't think anyone served in that respect. All these banning and cultural purges that people have been on are unhelpful.
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No, I think a lot of people assign and attach those points of view to me. But let me ask you in closing.
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You're going to put me on the spot. By the way, you just made the most compelling case you possibly could have for the multidimensionality here. There are people in that Hall of Fame that have done basically one simple thing. And here you are, 29 books, bestselling books across a spectrum of issues. Plant collector, poet. Decades ahead.
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And you were banned from the UK. Oh, you know that. They called you, what, propaganda of hate or something? What was the exact phrase?
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We'll have to bring it up. We'll have to bring it up. Let me ask you. Get me off the list. Let me ask you this. Let me, if you were going to list, speaking of list, you know, Democrats, if they're not trying to figure out what the hell just happened, they sure as hell should.
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So I'm serious about this. I'm, you know, I'm not asking for sort of a flippant, it's not a flippant question, and I hope certainly not patronizing. But what the hell do you think our party needs to do? And what's the biggest lesson? Seriously. Are you really serious? Michael Savage, we need to know. My advice to the Democrats. Advice to the Democratic Party. Was it because we're too woke?
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Because we didn't focus on borders? I mean, is it? Wow.
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Interesting. So, I mean, the trans issue, you thought, I mean, that was outsized.
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It wasn't the trans. No one's against. So it was a gender assignment surgeries for these minors. Yes. Where you felt that our party was complicit in terms of creating those conditions.
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Which is a big part of your life, faith. People don't know that. Big part.
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and have for decades. You have, and you are, by the way, and then we're going to close on this, you are ascending to a unique status. Shocking, isn't it? Well, no. Tell us about it.
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So you really, I mean, it was that indelible. Was that the big shift then for you in terms of your politics? Yes. You were like, enough.
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Well, it's good to be with another fallen angel. I'll reach across the aisle on that one. It's great to have you. Michael Savage, thanks for being here with us.
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I love it. So we've known each other. I mean, full disclosure, so folks may not know this. We've known each other over the course, on and off, for a couple decades now, right? I mean, back, I remember you, I was joking with Trump the other day in the Oval Office. I said, you know, before, you know, you calling me new scum is not novel. Oh, that's disgusting.
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And so you weren't raised necessarily with a strong ideological bias. Oh, no. Your parents weren't necessarily, your father, your mom. I mean, they weren't out there marching the streets for a Democrat or a Republican. It was none of that.
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Yeah, this notion of responsibility, not just opportunity. It's the one piece that I think in our party continues, we continue to miss. Well. But we're going to get to that in a moment. But I just want to talk about those moments that shaped you. I mean, again, sitting here talking about nutrition, you were working in a clinic in San Francisco. Yes. Nutrition, you're writing all these books.
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You were, I mean, dare I say, and here are a bunch of them right here. One of what, by the way, you said seven, but you've done 29 books published and several unpublished.
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Savage had a version of that early on when I was mayor.
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May he rest in peace. By the way, he survived as long as he did. He was usually three or four bottles at lunch in and then went all night. Oh, poor man. But he was a legend.
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different generation. So we were shaped so similarly. I mean, I was the kid in the corner with my father, with George Moscone, the former mayor, Quentin Kopp, the former state senator, then become judge, all that. And that shaped my political beginnings and sort of gave me a sense of what the whole political scene was about.
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And North Beach was really the sort of, it was the neighborhood city hall. We're real deals.
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See, you're bringing notes. I bring nothing. I've got the questions.
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Why are you bringing questions? Well, I want to, let's jump in. I'm going to, but I want to start. Let's start with this and we'll go back and forth. But this whole frame of nutrition is really interesting because it's very contemporary now. You've got RFK Jr. You've got now new Health and Human Service Secretary. Obviously, Trump embracing this notion of MAHA, Make America Health.
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Again, by the way, I love that. I love that. Look at you. You're not a fat guy. No, but it's not even, but not even about body weight. It's about just health and wellness, all this stuff you've been preaching and practicing. You were the original, you were, I'll say your original bunch of things. And we'll get to language, borders, culture in a minute. Oh, wow.
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And Trump and Trumpism, because you were, you know, Trump was a Democrat.
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Oh, I'm aware of that. When you were practicing these fundamental principles. I'm fully aware.
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But this whole Maha movement, I mean, you've got to feel pretty good about that. Or do you feel it's a little off base and not necessarily is it well established in the sort of cornerstone of your more academic thinking?
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Interesting. Yeah. Despite the fact that you've been at this longer than he's been alive.
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Yeah, of course. No, we're about wellness, about health care, not sick care. We've been focused on all the issues around ultra-processed food, free meals, nutritious meals, focusing on farm to fork, focusing on proximity to agriculture, focusing on small farms and regenerative farming, all the component parts and all this. I mean, a lot of it, of course, is weaponized politically.
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I did, quote unquote, the Skittles ban a couple of years ago. The same folks in the right were attacking the Skittles ban, which was about red dye. Now they're embracing and celebrating it.
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We have, you know, not full, I mean, it's represented in health bodies, but it's not fully represented as a body.
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Dollar a year. I mean, we may negotiate 50 cents. I'm so curious. I mean, look, I joke about language.
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I mean, it's just indelible. I was listening to you as a supervisor. I was listening to you as mayor. Not just because we ran into each other. Not just because I knew your son, Russ, and love your wife, Janet. You're the most entertaining person in personality, period. Full stop and storyteller. On the radio. You were.
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We were both wrong. He did agree with you, by the way. He was always, he was, come on, old Irish Catholic, west side of San Francisco. And by the way, I remember, you remember this back in the day. That's why you probably shook my hand back then. I ran as the conservative, right?
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You know what? That's why we do preventative care. That's why we have a different approach because we have sick care in the emergency room that's universal across this country. People have access all across the country for similar circumstances. You are. at substantially higher prices on the back end for the emergency care.
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No, I appreciate it. But honestly, I mean this sincerely. What would you do to the person that was just hit by a car that was here for 15 years taking care of your elderly grandparents in an elder care facility? And they end up in the emergency room. You say, no. No. You're not going to get that care.
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By the way, a few years ago, I remember people going south of the border into Tijuana from San Diego because it was cheaper to get some quality care.
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Were people talking like that in the early 90s? They were starting to a little bit, right? Prop 187 in California. Oh, you remember 209 and 187. So there was a little of that.
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Right. And I mean, there are some that obviously do, but I'm not among them. By the way, California, we put down almost 494 National Guards since the week I first became governor to supplement and support Customs and Border Patrol at the border to address some of the issues of fentanyl and some of the border security concerns. So I tend to agree with you.
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And we saw that, of course, with Biden. I mean, he he built off Trump's targeted tariffs and Biden administration certainly had that.
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Yeah, no, I mean, I think you marked two profoundly consequential moments, the WTO. It's interesting just even talking to members of the Clinton administration, talking former President Clinton himself about WTO and its aftermath. I think there's not only a reckoning in terms of our politics today and direct... connection in that respect.
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Well, we're finally here, it's Liberation Day, or is it in America? Is it Recession Day? Is it Tax Day? Is it Liquidation Day? All the punditry out and the realities, the new realities of unprecedented tariffs, unprecedented tax increases in the United States of America, certainly in peacetime, up to 23% tariffs. all around the globe. Are we in a trade war?
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But I think there's a growing recognition of the outsized consequence of the WTO. But I also appreciate your point about the Wall Street relief and this sort of Main Street, Wall Street frame after the financial crisis with, you know, and obviously the Biden, excuse me, Obama administration inherited a lot of that and sort of maintained not totally dissimilar policies.
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as it relates to that bailout and the consequences to the populism that we're experiencing today. Let me just back up, just talking about the challenges of today. I mean, knowing Donald Trump is the way you know him, how does he get out of this?
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Is it just, you know, he's got 60 countries, you've got 60 leaders come in, one off, he starts negotiating BS deals that he claims credit for having, quote unquote, succeeded in level setting the playing field? Or is there going to be more sweeping across the board recalibration with the EU, as an example, or other allies? What's your over-under in terms of the next days, not just weeks? Yeah.
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No, I mean, I think that course was set weeks and weeks prior to the tariffs as it relates to the reordering our alliances. Right. J.D. Vance's speech in Munich, the security conference, and talking down and past our allies, and as you said, the ambush in the Oval with Zelensky and the messages that have been sent.
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And I can just, let me just reinforce that point of view on the basis of the kind of outreach that I've directly received as governor of a state that happens to be larger than 21 state populations combined, the fifth largest economy in the world, where foreign leaders have reached directly out to California
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to express that anxiety and concern from a subnational level and look to engage us directly with all the volatility and the uncertainty, again, prior to this tariff announcement coming from the White House. So I think The consequences are off the charts and profound. And it begs then this question, Anthony. Look, we watched Project 2025. I felt some of us were accused of crying wolf on it.
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But this sort of shock and awe, this flood in the zone, as Bannon loves to say, he has won speeds. He puts his foot on the gas. There's no break with Trump. Has that even surprised you to the degree that he's moved this early on?
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What does this mean in terms of you and your household and expenses? Are cars going to get cheaper? Or as Donald Trump says, it doesn't even matter. We're going to talk about all of those things as well as what went right, what went wrong with the Harris campaign. What is the path back for the Democratic Party? With Anthony Scaramucci up next on This is Gavin Newsom. This is Gavin Newsom.
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If you don't mind me asking that question for six months. Anthony, I've had, for me, sort of a bookmark in history. Interesting experience. I was there near the end of the Biden administration, the Oval Office. for about 90 minutes up in the residence with President Biden, and then invited back, same guy, same state, same Democrat.
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A few weeks later, and I think I was the first Democrat to sit down in the Oval with Donald Trump, and it was 90 plus minutes. And they kept trying to extract us from one another. And it was because it was deeply engaging and personal. He's incredibly charismatic, as you know well.
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And there's no I doesn't he doesn't want conflict. And I'll be candid with you. It surprised me on the Zelensky. I call it an ambush. I saw that more as an ambush coming from J.D. Vance and the vice president than even Trump, because it's not like Trump to do that. I was surprised because of the interpersonal, because he tends to like that rapport one-on-one.
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That said, others have different theories, but it's an interesting dynamic that people don't fully appreciate.
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Of course. No, and in fact, gets a little uncomfortable when you say, hey, you know, what happened to the new scum? He's like, oh, and he literally, that's when he's sort of unmoored a little bit because he doesn't want to engage in that. And so, look- And I think that's the difficult part is figuring out what's real, what's not, what's performative, what's not.
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I mean, for him, it's about the crowds. I mean, he even made that point. He goes, the crowd loves it. And so I'm like, okay, whatever your crowd needs. The problem is people like it's, you know, I'm watching Gladiator 3 or at least a preview of Gladiator 3 with a thumbs up, thumbs down. You don't know which direction it's going to go based upon the crowd.
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And that, again, begs my concern now, you know, and not just concern, but consideration of a sort of reconsideration. How, with this crowd, in terms of the markets, you know, he dismisses mother nature, but the markets can't be easily dismissed. People's 401k, you're even seeing, it's not just Rand Paul, there's some other Republicans that are marginally expressing concern around tariffs.
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You're seeing now layoffs, you're seeing announcements from these companies that were supposed to be spending trillions of dollars coming in the United States, now actually saying they're not going to invest in these factories in some of these rural parts of the country.
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I mean, I've got to think, and I know you're sort of challenging that, that he's got to reverse more quickly than perhaps even you think. No?
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You didn't try to act. You were a surrogate and an incredibly effective one.
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They don't like me because I shook his hand at the tarmac. Thank you.
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And this is Anthony Scaramucci.
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It's called just for men, Anthony. That's what that's called.
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How often do you have to do it? I don't even have the guts to try. I'll turn orange.
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Speaking of orange, I mean, we all waited for this moment. Did you predict it would be this volatile, this reckless?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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But in terms of the guy or gal on the white horse to come save the day, I know, you know, parties tend to focus so much on that. And my party, Democratic Party, seems disproportionately always focused on the person on the white horse to save us.
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Seems to me over the years, the Republican Party has been a little bit more structurally focused on school boards and focusing on legislative races in states large and small. A bottom up. frame, not necessarily a top down.
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Yeah, and so it's interesting. For me, it's both and. And one of the things that I caution my party about is if we're too fixated on a personality, then we're missing the opportunity to sort of reimagine our party. Because there's bigger trend lines here that sort of predate COVID and even Trump. as it relates to starting to lose this multi-ethnic young men in particular across the spectrum.
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Some of that was arrested because of COVID and Trump, but that trend line is now a big headline. And I'm curious, you know, your sort of reflection on that, but also reflection on where Harris may have struggled. Was it just the 107 days? Was it the lack of an open primary? Was it the fact she didn't distinguish herself enough and separate herself enough from an incumbent?
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Gavin works. I mean, I get, you know, walk the streets with me. I'll get asshole. I'll get everything. So I'll take Gavin. I've been called a lot worse than Mooch and Anthony.
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Was it the issue of incumbency? Was it inflation? Was it interest rates? Was it immigration? Was it wokeism broadly defined? Have you landed on any theory of the case of what the hell happened in that election?
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But let me, I'm curious. I mean, it is interesting because Trump 1.0, I mean, obviously this fixation that he's had for decades, you've known Trump for quite literally decades, you know, on and off and obviously worked briefly for him. I mean, the one thing legitimately he has been consistent about as a former Democrat, pro-choice Democrat, it's an interesting area of consistency.
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I wasn't expecting that.
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I wasn't expecting you to say that.
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He also created the space. How the hell do you have an electric vehicle?
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It's on the issues of tariffs. So to your point, this obviously must have been on the agenda, at least internally in the first administration. But did you ever see it at this level? I mean, this is not even reciprocal tariffs. These are sort of seem random and they seem almost, I mean, it's like that was a strange, I mean, it's always a reality TV show, but you had to see that board yesterday.
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It's interesting. And the fact that you attach, I mean, the first two, I certainly appreciate, but it's interesting. You thought it was that determinative, these two individuals, these brands, and what they represent historically and iconically, both, interestingly, two people that are best known for their environmental stewardship.
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For decades.
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No, I bet. By the way, I can't tell you how many events I had with both of them in San Francisco as mayor of the city, talking about environmental stewardship, climate change, and issues related to low-carbon green growth and electric vehicle transition.
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and the nature of how they came up with some of the numerics and divide by two. I mean, that couldn't have been necessarily on the docket in the first term, was it?
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And that disappoints me to hear you say that, but it doesn't shock me. I mean, and disappoints me because I saw how hard you worked for Biden and then how hard and sincerely you worked for Harris and how you've been a pretty consistent and vocal opponent of Donald Trump.
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Well, you're not going to get an argument from me. And, you know, I'm not that old, but I'm old enough to remember that. That's the Democratic Party you were referencing that built the middle class, that gave us the weekends, that gave us Medicaid, gave us Medicare. How about the GI Bill, sir? Thank you. Go on and on and on.
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Yeah. Amen. Look, let me ask you just a couple of tactical points. And I appreciate the larger tent framework. I think this party needs a vision. It needs an economic vision. You know, I think if you're going to talk about Kennedy, you know, he was the last president to bring us on a journey together. We saw ourselves on that journey. And I think that's a big part.
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of also what's missing, what's the positive alternative vision that can enliven and excite people and people feel included at a time of such division and fear and anxiety. But there's also the fear and anxiety in the vision that comes from the information superiority
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on the other side as well the weaponization of grievance the ability to surround sound uh to dominate the narrative to flood the zone in terms of communication you've got sort of a gender bias i would argue algorithms that skew as well online uh you got 14 of the top 15 cable shows are all republican shows podcasts are dominated
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As you say, it's not just that manosphere, the bro culture, but sort of dominated by more moderate to conservative, to ultra conservative voices. What do you make of that landscape? And what's, if you were gonna just observe as a participant, you've got two podcasts, successful podcasts, you're out there, you've been in the media dominating for decades back to your CNBC days.
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I remember a few decades ago. I mean, what do you make of this environment? And what do you make of, How do we begin to sort of reconcile with that? And how do we sort of address the reckoning that is that asymmetry?
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Final question, just because I'm curious. I mean, when the dust settles on Trump, Trumpism then is top of mind. And what's top of mind for a lot of folks out there that are whispering is what's J.D. Vance up to? You know, you talk about Elon Musk, you talk about others that really supported his nomination for vice president, members of Trump's own family, Peter Thiel types and others.
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You've got Bannon out there. either performatively or very seriously making the case, 2028, Donald Trump extending term or it's Vance, and then he'll step aside and will continue MAGA for another four years. I mean, what do you make of the 2028 third term? What do you make of J.D. Vance? How serious and concerned are you about J.D.
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Vance and what he represents and the people that are his closest confidants and allies?
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No, that's why. That's one of the reasons. I mean, that's precisely why I'm trying to invite these folks in. So we start to understand how potent and powerful they've increasingly become. Final, final. Over, under. Musk is gone in two months. Rubio, two months, what? I mean, what's your over-under on some of these sort of key players around Trump?
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I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. No, and I lied about the final final. This is the final final, because I want to pick up what you just said is really important and looking for advice here, because I'm a practitioner in this respect as governor of this state.
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I mean, you know, every day my state of mind is one is sort of just overwhelmed with all the incoming, the missives, the messages, the letters, the threats from members of his cabinet, agency directors, lawyers, constant threats. back and forth as it relates to sort of this deconstructive state mindset that Trump has and what 2025 represents. From our perspective, what do you chase?
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Do you react to every little indiscretion or do you wait for the big things? Is it a Carville notion to stand back? and watch him implode, watch what's happened in the markets. This is a proof point of Carville strategy, one Carville may argue, I don't know. I mean, what do you do? Or do you flood the zone back?
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Are you constantly in everybody's face and do what Charlie Kirk's doing every single day? I mean, where are you in the calibration?
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A great way to end, Anthony. Thank you for the conversation. Thank you for your insight.
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It's the hair more.
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Oh, Jesus. There we go. Very cute. What a way to end, buddy. Hey, pleasure. Thanks for taking the time. I really appreciate it. By the way, thank you for being so good to staff. That's your character, the way you treated everyone around me. They said, this guy is a gentleman. So I just want folks to know that. And I appreciate that.
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So there's so much to unpack in what you said, and I want to explore a number of the points you made. But just go back to a fundamental point, and it goes back to just the person that is Donald Trump. He wants to be loved. The markets matter to him. It's the one sort of objective scorecard. He's got to see this kind of volatility. I mean, he sort of previewed a little bit of it.
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You've seen some of that volatility over the course of the last few months, and he pulled back on some of his assertions and some of his threats and promises. I mean, what happens do you think in the next few days on the basis of this reaction, global reaction, but profound impacts in terms of the market volatility?
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So, and I appreciate that. I think it's what led you to appreciate Trump as a Republican and you were out there campaigning for Jeb Bush and others, but I think you constantly- You're a Catholic. Is that right, Governor? I'm right out of the old Irish Catholic clan out here.
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No, but I'm going to compliment you a little bit because what you just expressed is what you also experienced. And you talk often about New Mexico when you were out there and you saw him at least talking to those folks, not talking down to them and acknowledging them. I see you. I care, at least asserting that he cared. And you saw my party that seemed to be defending
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nafta defending tpp defending some of those trade deals or at least struggling with them uh as it relates to uh an electoral strategy not fully appreciating the magnitude of the displacement and the despair uh in in the faces and the heart of so many and and so what you know appreciating that and appreciating there were people there yesterday with with president uh that you know united auto workers and others that just feel like this is a we are getting ripped off and you know at least this gives us a shot again
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I mean, is there a case that you can make? Is there a case that Trump himself at this moment, particularly, he can defend? Or do you just think he went further than he realized he went? And this is completely reckless, not just taking the risk.
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Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.
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How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed?