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And, This is How Trump’s Tariffs Cost YOU Money With Anthony Scaramucci
Fri, 04 Apr 2025
Former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci joins the podcast to talk tariffs and a theoretical Trump third term. IG: @ThisisGavinNewsomEmail: ThisisGavinNewsom@iheartradio.comPhone: 855-6NEWSOMSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: How do Trump's tariffs affect everyday expenses?
Well, we're finally here, it's Liberation Day, or is it in America? Is it Recession Day? Is it Tax Day? Is it Liquidation Day? All the punditry out and the realities, the new realities of unprecedented tariffs, unprecedented tax increases in the United States of America, certainly in peacetime, up to 23% tariffs. all around the globe. Are we in a trade war?
What does this mean in terms of you and your household and expenses? Are cars going to get cheaper? Or as Donald Trump says, it doesn't even matter. We're going to talk about all of those things as well as what went right, what went wrong with the Harris campaign. What is the path back for the Democratic Party? With Anthony Scaramucci up next on This is Gavin Newsom. This is Gavin Newsom.
And this is Anthony Scaramucci.
Governor Newsom going for the silver fox look. Okay, this is Latin American dictator brown, Governor, if you ever need the color.
It's called just for men, Anthony. That's what that's called.
Well, I was using Cuban leader black, but it looked terrible on TV, so I lightened it up a little bit.
How often do you have to do it? I don't even have the guts to try. I'll turn orange.
Well, you definitely don't want to turn orange, especially these days. That would be a bad color for both of us.
Speaking of orange, I mean, we all waited for this moment. Did you predict it would be this volatile, this reckless?
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Chapter 2: What are the historical implications of Trump's economic policies?
But let me, I'm curious. I mean, it is interesting because Trump 1.0, I mean, obviously this fixation that he's had for decades, you've known Trump for quite literally decades, you know, on and off and obviously worked briefly for him. I mean, the one thing legitimately he has been consistent about as a former Democrat, pro-choice Democrat, it's an interesting area of consistency.
It's on the issues of tariffs. So to your point, this obviously must have been on the agenda, at least internally in the first administration. But did you ever see it at this level? I mean, this is not even reciprocal tariffs. These are sort of seem random and they seem almost, I mean, it's like that was a strange, I mean, it's always a reality TV show, but you had to see that board yesterday.
and the nature of how they came up with some of the numerics and divide by two. I mean, that couldn't have been necessarily on the docket in the first term, was it?
No, I don't think it was this level of unseriousness. I think in the first administration, it was he wanted to tack on across-the-board tariffs and he wanted to put up a border, a financial border, if you will, around the United States. Remember, he wants to wall the United States off literally and physically from the rest of the world.
The Trump doctrine and the reason why he goes back to McKinley During President McKinley's administration, 97% of what we produced, we consumed inside the country. And so Trump's attitude is that the world has freeloaded off the U.S. and that we need to wall ourselves off literally and physically from the rest of the world. Now, that... misunderstands how actually the world works.
And this is the problem we're all having. We need somebody like you to organize dissent and explain to people that what Trump is doing is actually catastrophic for our economy. What he's doing would take us back to the 1930s with the Smoot-Hawley Act, which steepened a recession and turned it into a Great Depression. Trump could touch off deflation, Governor Newsom.
And if you touch off deflation in a society like ours, it's absolutely catastrophic. Because remember, we're in a debt-laden society. So let me just give this example. If you have a $250,000 mortgage and an $80,000 job in a deflationary society, your salary is going down alongside the goods and services, but your debt's not going down.
You're forced to pay back the debt with dollars that are worth... more than the dollars you borrow. In an inflationary situation, you can pay back the debt with dollars that are worth less. But if the counter should happen, it's absolutely devastating for the society. And so the Fed is going to be forced now to cut rates because the Fed fears deflation way more than inflation.
So what he's doing is actually historically catastrophic. He's doing something that literally, if you said, governor, if I said to you, okay, let's get in a room, you and I, and let's dismantle the global trading system. Let's get every one of our allies sore at us. And let's give our adversaries a leg up. Let's give China an opportunity now to re-engage with Europe.
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Chapter 3: Why is America at risk of economic deflation?
Of course, the markets are reacting with their signal, not noise, signal. They're signaling how absurd this all is.
So there's so much to unpack in what you said, and I want to explore a number of the points you made. But just go back to a fundamental point, and it goes back to just the person that is Donald Trump. He wants to be loved. The markets matter to him. It's the one sort of objective scorecard. He's got to see this kind of volatility. I mean, he sort of previewed a little bit of it.
You've seen some of that volatility over the course of the last few months, and he pulled back on some of his assertions and some of his threats and promises. I mean, what happens do you think in the next few days on the basis of this reaction, global reaction, but profound impacts in terms of the market volatility?
Well, he has sent out his keyboard warriors this morning to say to people, come to the table. Eric Trump is out on X or whatever they call it now saying, hey, come to the table and negotiate with my dad or it's going to end badly for you. I've seen it my whole life. And so they're nervous. They're sending out signals to people that, okay, we've obviously overstepped.
Obviously, this... Governor, I call it the anti... Ten Commandments. It's like the evil Ten Commandments. He had this big tablet in his hand. We had Orange Moses descending from Mount Evil with the, you know, indiscernible tablet. But they now know that they've overstepped. And so they're nervous. And they're trying to tell leaders now, come to the table. Let my father declare victory, you know.
Yeah. You know, Prime Minister Carney come to the table and then he'll put out on Truth Social, I've lowered the tariffs for Canada, you know, this sort of thing. And it's actually embarrassing.
You know, it's embarrassing because I can't speak for the school system in California, but I would imagine sometime in the first grade, like the school system here in New York, you read The Emperor Has No Clothes. I was seven when I first read this brilliant piece of literature. Yeah.
And I remember remarking to myself at age seven, well, who would be stupid enough to tell an emperor that he has clothes on when he has no clothes on? And of course, now here we are in 2025. It's 54 years after I read this beautiful piece of first grade literature. And I'm watching people in the president's court do things. They're bobbleheads.
They're bobbing their heads saying yes, yes, yes, where privately they're saying no, no, no. And so I do think there would be a breach. But I want to go back to your loved thing because I think this is a 40-year idea for Trump. He mentioned it to Oprah Winfrey in the mid-'80s, and he wants to implement it. And so if it causes hardship in his –
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Chapter 4: Can Trump's tariffs be defended in the current economic climate?
right size elements of the tariff system to protect American working class families? I would say resoundingly yes. Have you said to me, we need surgical tariffs where we need to go through the tariff system and say, okay, the Chinese are dumping this product into our market. They are subsidizing it with their government's help and they're giving an artificial price
And we saw that, of course, with Biden. I mean, he he built off Trump's targeted tariffs and Biden administration certainly had that.
They went more delicately through the list. And and this is the thing about Donald Trump that we have to acknowledge. There are kernels of truth in what he's saying. It's the implementation of the policy that's flawed. But if you're telling me we have a problem at the border. Milton Friedman would have said years ago, well, if you have a welfare state and the U.S.
does have one, you have to protect your border because free market forces dictate that people will cross the border. And so I think what happened is because of anti-Trump sentiment, President Biden reversed all of that. through executive action. It was more of a anti-Trump statement than it was real thought out policy. And that hurt the Democrats in 2024.
But there was a kernel of truth to what Trump was saying. It's more about the implementation and the heavy handedness. And again, same thing with the tariffs. The president is correct that we need to bolster living standards in America for lower and middle income people. the president is correct that there have been elements of the trade system where we've been taken advantage of.
The World Trade Organization let China in with extraordinary emerging market latitude, extraordinary. And they never corrected it as China rose. And I'll say something, Governor, that does not reflect well on me, but I'll share it with you. At the age of 35 in 1999, The World Trade Organization, there were protests in Seattle. Do you remember these?
I don't know if you would- No, I remember, of course. Okay, and so Ralph Nader was up there. Working class families were up there. They said, please, please do not let the Chinese into the WTO. And you'll cause a hollowing out of our manufacturing. You'll ruin our middle-class aspirational jobs. Please don't. I was a young Wall Street person at the time.
And I had bought into the Wall Street narrative that this was going to lower the cost of capital deployment, lower the cost of labor, and was going to be generally good for the economy, the stock market, and generally good for people. And it was an advancement. It was progress. But those workers were right, Governor Newsom.
I got that wrong at age 29 because the aftermath of what happened 25, 26 years later is this dilemma, this systemic rise in populism. Moreover, when President Bush implemented the TARP money, He made a very big mistake, and I think he's willing to admit it today. He put a trillion into the banks.
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Chapter 5: How might Trump's policies impact international relations?
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Chapter 6: What are the personal dynamics between Trump and political figures?
uh, 2017, we've become very close friends and, uh, and, uh, you know, we socialize together and my wife Deirdre and Karen and him hang out together. Uh, and we talk about the dilemma of working with Donald Trump, you know, and, and this is a weirdness to him. There's like an anti, there's a conflict of voice.
I, I've been dying to ask you this question since I saw you at the night of the debate where you and I were at September together in Philadelphia, both they're supporting vice president Harris. Uh, When he attacks you, the president, President Trump, he attacks you as a keyboard-worrying bully.
But then when he has to face you in person, and thank God you're a tall SOB, because I'm not as tall as you. At least you can stand off to him face to face. He never attacks you face to face. Oh, Gavin, you're a great guy. You know, this sort of stuff. What do you make of that, sir?
If you don't mind me asking that question for six months. Anthony, I've had, for me, sort of a bookmark in history. Interesting experience. I was there near the end of the Biden administration, the Oval Office. for about 90 minutes up in the residence with President Biden, and then invited back, same guy, same state, same Democrat.
A few weeks later, and I think I was the first Democrat to sit down in the Oval with Donald Trump, and it was 90 plus minutes. And they kept trying to extract us from one another. And it was because it was deeply engaging and personal. He's incredibly charismatic, as you know well.
I hate to say this to people, but he's a very charming guy in that interpersonal interaction.
And there's no I doesn't he doesn't want conflict. And I'll be candid with you. It surprised me on the Zelensky. I call it an ambush. I saw that more as an ambush coming from J.D. Vance and the vice president than even Trump, because it's not like Trump to do that. I was surprised because of the interpersonal, because he tends to like that rapport one-on-one.
That said, others have different theories, but it's an interesting dynamic that people don't fully appreciate.
But, sir, when he goes off on you on Truth Social with the nonsense name calling, and then you see him like a week later or a day later in California, he acts like it didn't happen, right?
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