Five years after Floyd-a-Palooza, America is finally coming around to the truth: Derek Chauvin was railroaded by a national lynch mob during Peak Woke, and doesn't belong in prison. Ben Shapiro joins Charlie for a full hour to lay out the real facts of America's biggest BLM case, and make the case for a Chauvin pardon. Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch on charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Why is Ben Shapiro advocating for Derek Chauvin's pardon?
Joining us now is Ben Shapiro, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, and also the website is pardonderek.com, co-founder of The Daily Wire. Ben, welcome to the program. Hey, Charlie. Thanks so much for having me.
I really appreciate it.
So Ben, I'm going to just say the floor is yours. For some people that have not been following this with great detail, this might make them kind of take a second, like a little pause in a second beat. Why are you advocating for Derek Chauvin's pardon? And what have you learned through the course of your research and your rigorous pursuit of the truth that has led you to this advocacy?
Well, I think the reason that I'm advocating for the pardon is because Derek Chauvin is not guilty. And I think that it's very important to explode narratives like the one that you were talking about, because those narratives live on in our memory as sort of flashpoints that people draw upon as evidence of narratives that are false. was the narrative that America was inherently racist.
Chapter 2: What was the narrative surrounding George Floyd's death?
Now, those allegations were never actually made a trial. There was never any allegation by prosecutors or by anyone that Derek Chauvin, quote unquote, killed George Floyd because George Floyd was black.
And yet that was the narrative that burst out all over the country, that systemic American policing was racist, that America had to undergo a sort of racial cleansing process that allowed for $2 billion in rioting. In fact, a process that was so important that even if COVID was spreading around, you were allowed to take off your mask and shout in the streets for George Floyd, and you
We all remember this. It was really a quite terrible time in American history. And it was being excused by the entire left, all of the legacy media. And in fact, if you didn't post the Black Square in favor of Black Lives Matter, you were basically non-personed in terms of sort of social media and the way that you were approached in all of these spaces.
Now, the reality of this particular death is now known. And we know pretty much everything there is to know about it. And there are a was stabbed recently 21 times by a fellow inmate. So it's quite dangerous for him. The reason why we now know all of this is because we know from jurors that they were pressured, that they felt the pressure, that they were scared to rule in favor of Derek Chauvin.
We now know, and we could see it at the time, the amount of public pressure that was brought in that particular case. The mayor of Minneapolis was signing settlements with the family of George Floyd on behalf of the city in the middle of the trial. The governor is Tim Walz, and Tim Walz was basically out there proclaiming the guilt of Derek Chauvin.
Joe Biden was running for president at the time, it was 2020, and he and the rest of the Democratic regime were talking about how Derek Chauvin, how this was a key flashpoint in American history, and how this was demonstrating sort of the apex moment of all of
first clue that this was not true came, I think, from that, from the fact that it was deemed an incident of American racism and never did anyone ever make a claim. There were not even federal hate crime charges. There was no claim that Derek Chauvin, quote unquote, killed George Floyd because he was racist. Then you start to look more into the details of the actual death of George Floyd.
Everything from the autopsy report, the original medical examiner autopsy report suggested that he had died, not of failure to breathe because of pressure put on him, but effectively have excited delirium, fentanyl overdose.
The idea in the actual autopsy report suggested that he had enough fentanyl in him that if he had just found this body on a sidewalk, the medical examiner, then he would have immediately determined that he had died of a fentanyl overdose. We know from the actual tape. So there are sections of the tape that people thought they saw, the eight minutes or four minutes of the eight minute tape.
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Chapter 3: How did public pressure affect Derek Chauvin's trial?
And then there was a lot of tape before that. So if you actually look at the incident in its entirety, What you found out is that George Floyd was in a car outside of a place of business where he had passed a counterfeit bill. And the police came and arrived. There's Derek Chauvin and the rest of the members of the officers who were there. And Derek Chauvin arrested George Floyd.
And it appears that George Floyd either ingested drugs that were on him or he was already high. The reason that he might have ingested drugs is because literally a few years before, we also have videotape of George Floyd doing exactly that. He was arrested, and the officer had to force him to spit out the drugs. They arrest him. They take him out of
And a crowd is already gathering because this very often happens when there's a controversial police procedure that's happening. And George Floyd is put into the back of the police vehicle. He doesn't want to get in. He's complaining. He's saying that he's scared of being in the car, that he's claustrophobic and all the rest of this kind of stuff. He gets in.
And immediately upon entering the car, he starts shouting that he can't breathe. Before he's on the ground, right? I can't breathe became sort of the matter of the moment.
can breathe but or that he was already having difficulty breathing based on the fact that he had a very enlarged heart that he had a lot of drugs in his system and that he was actually having a medical issue before he was actually taken out of the car by the way at his request at his request he said i don't want to be in the car and so they said okay so they took him out of the car and they put him in prone position on the ground now the minneapolis police training model includes the sort of position that derek chauvin was using this was introduced at trial
Derek Chauvin had been taught this by the Minneapolis Police Department. This is a normal procedure. In fact, much of the tape of him on George Floyd's quote-unquote neck, from a different angle, is him on George Floyd's shoulder. This was admitted by witnesses for the prosecution. At some of that time, he was on George Floyd's shoulder.
At some point during that eight minutes, George Floyd went non-responsive. It seems to be unclear to Chauvin when he was non-responsive, but There is no medical evidence that, for example, there was damage to his trachea, which would cut off the air. There was no bruising on his neck.
So the autopsy and medical report suggested, again, that at best, there is certainly reasonable doubt that he died because of the suppression technique specifically that Derek Chauvin was using. And so the entire trial was based on the supposition that simply by being put into the prone position and then Derek Chauvin being on his shoulder and then partially...
not with his full weight, partially on his neck to suppress him, that this led to George Floyd's death in the form of murder, not even in the form of manslaughter, not even accidental death. Second degree murder is what he was convicted of in state court. The evidence does not match up with this. And we covered this extensively at the time.
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Chapter 4: What evidence supports the case for a Chauvin pardon?
Even if you just want to take this from a legal level, the idea that Derek Chauvin had, quote unquote, a fair, that the entire narrative, which was drawn for the entire country, that America is systemically racist, was rooted in an incident in which race was not even alleged.
I want to repeat that, everyone, to internalize that. The 1619 Project was largely born, accelerated out of this. Robin DiAngelo's fame was born out of this. We had police departments defunding the police. In fact, you can look at a material increase in crime in both Minneapolis and across the country because of this one incident. Not just the riots. We saw murder rates. We saw arson.
We saw carjackings. We saw widespread gang violence because of one incident. And so, Ben, I want to compliment you for your willingness to speak out on this because it wasn't just one injustice. This was the gateway drug. towards mass anarchy in the streets and an unnecessary thousands of people dying on top of the baseline crime rate. Gentlemen, let's get real for a second.
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His knee was on the neck for nine minutes. It's tattooed in my memory. You guys, Charlie and Ben, are getting too cutesy here with trying to introduce data that isn't relevant. Don't lie to me. This is what happened. It was obviously police brutality. It wasn't some sort of legal conspiracy. Ben, what would your response be to that?
And also, when did you start to form the opinion that this was a railroaded via the justice system against Derek Chauvin?
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Chapter 5: How did media portrayal influence public perception?
They do not have the evidence to convict this man beyond a reasonable doubt. I mean, that's just not the case. And then when after the trial, further evidence came out about the predilections of the jurors. So, for example, one of the jurors was photographed at a protest commemorating Dr. King's I Have a Dream speech during the summer of 2020. This is Coleman Hughes reporting for the Free Press.
At that protest, two of George Floyd's family members addressed the crowd, and this juror was wearing a T-shirt with a picture of King and the words, get your knee off our necks and BLM. How is that a fair trial? In what world is that even remotely a fair trial?
I think that the image of Chauvin on top of Floyd became such an iconic image that it's very difficult for people to imagine that anything else happened. But there was tape both before and after the incident. There's medical examiner's reports. There's medical information about George Floyd and his prior status. And all of that makes an enormous difference. Now, the imagistic power of Chauvin
in the suppression position with Floyd obviously is going to have an outsized power in the public memory but that's exactly why I think it's really important for people to speak out and I think for the pardon to occur because in order for there to be a rethinking of things like this it is important to get people to even re-examine the issue there's so many things people think that they saw that they never actually saw over the course of the last 10 years I mean so many different things
Charlottesville speech by President Trump in which he supposedly said that neo-Nazis were very fine people. And then if you go back and actually watch the speech, he never said anything remotely like that. But that was emblazoned in people's memories because it was hit so hard and so often that many people still think that that is in fact true and that is in fact the case.
There are still people on the left, many people, who still believe that hands up, don't shoot in the case of Michael Brown in Ferguson was true, that he held up his hands and then was shot by a police officer. And so the reality is that the way the memory works is if people show you that the tape doesn't quote unquote look good.
What I am saying is that if you've ever done a police ride along or if you know police officers, guess what? Policing is a rough and difficult job that people who are rough and difficult. It's a tough thing to do. Policing is very, very difficult. You're in the worst situations with people at the worst moments of their lives. And what that means is none of it looks good on tape.
I mean, honestly, like do a ride along with a cop for one night and you will see a bunch of things that would not look good on tape. Why? Because you're dealing with people who may be violent with police officers, who may be a threat, who may be high on drugs, who may not know what they're doing.
And so simply taking an image out of context and then saying, because this image is ugly and because it exists, I'm going to ignore all other evidence. That is not the way certainly our justice system is supposed to work. And that's the real key. You don't have to believe that Derek Chauvin is quote unquote innocent in order to understand that he is not guilty. Those are not the same thing.
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Chapter 6: What was the role of the medical examiner in the case?
They didn't have access to his organs, at least some of his organs. And one of the two medical examiners who's brought in, Dr. Michael Bodden, who's brought in to suggest that it was the cops who actually killed him, he'd gotten an enormous number of things wrong in the past. He was a person who was hired to perform an unofficial autopsy on Michael Brown, who we mentioned earlier.
Michael Brown, of course, was the black man who was killed in a confrontation with police officer named Officer Brown over in Ferguson, Missouri.
And the autopsy in that particular case, Baden declared that there was no evidence of a struggle between Brown and Wilson, which was not true because the cop had claimed correctly that Michael Brown reached into the car and fired a gun in the car, which is what prompted the actual shooting of Michael Brown. And Baden got it wrong in that autopsy. He was the person who they called in.
So you have the original autopsy, which says no asphyxia, no actual physical evidence of serious damage. And he died of cardiopulmonary arrest, which again, if you're just doing Are you going to get excited when you, this is really one of the questions, are you going to get excited when you get arrested and you have drugs on you and then you swallow some of the drugs?
My guess is you probably will. This causes very often what they call excited delirium.
If it spikes your blood pressure, if it spikes your heart rate, if you have massive preexisting conditions, if you're a big deal with a lot of drugs in your system and you're claiming you can't breathe before you even get on the ground, then how can you claim that it was the knee that caused the I can't breathe as opposed to all of the other circumstances that were causing all of this?
And again, just to put this in the most blunt terms, Chauvin did not crush Floyd's neck. He did not crush Floyd's neck. That must be repeated. So, Ben, explain to our audience then how on earth federal charges got involved here and therefore the President Trump wrinkle and angle.
Because typically if there is a police situation where if the police acts improperly, usually the police officer will be handled by local authorities. There might be a DOJ investigation, albeit rare, but there were federal charges as well against Derek Chauvin. What were they? And why do you believe that Derek Chauvin deserves a pardon from the president of the United States?
So the charges were brought under denial of civil rights. So these charges were brought and Chauvin basically pled them out because the supposition was that these sentences were largely set to run concurrently. If it went to trial, he was one of the most highly publicized convicts in the history of the United States. If it went to trial, then he might end up with a longer sentence.
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