The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Mon, 31 Mar 2025
Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing her major New York Times "The Interview" podcast episode that aired over the weekend, reveals interesting behind-the-scenes details, gives her assessment on whether the Times was fair, and more. Then Emily Jashinsky, host of "Undercurrents" on UnHerd, and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, join to discuss Megyn's “The Interview," why the corporate media is still confused about the rise of new media, what the legacy press doesn't get about bias and authenticity, why Megyn's able to stay true to herself and her beliefs while still being a journalist, the latest digs at Megyn from tech journalist and podcast host Kara Swisher, a never-before-shared personal story about their relationship, Swisher's nasty demeanor to so many in the marketplace, comedian Amber Ruffin fired from the White House Correspondents’ Dinner after she slams Trump and called supporters "murderers," Ruffin's ridiculous and offensive past comments, the false spin from the White House correspondents' association, Gavin Newsom’s insincere attempt to seem moderate with sights set on the 2028 presidential race, Newsom getting pressed on how out-of-touch he is still on the issue of "trans kids" in an interview with Bill Maher, and more.Jashinsky- https://www.youtube.com/@undercurrentsunherdJohnson- https://freebeacon.com/Home Title Lock: Sign up at https://www.hometitlelock.com/MegynKelly and use promo code MEGYN250 for a FREE title history report AND access to your Personal Title Expert —a $250 value! Check out the Million Dollar TripleLock Protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://www.hometitlelock.com/warrantyDone with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com & tell them Megyn sent you!Tax Network USA: Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://TNUSA.com/MEGYN to speak with a strategist for FREE todayFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Chapter 1: How did Megyn Kelly's NYT interview unfold?
Chapter 2: Why was Amber Ruffin fired from the WHCA dinner?
The White House Correspondents Association is reversing course, deciding that we are now in such a, quote, consequential moment for journalism that they will be canceling their scheduled comedian for their big gala in late April and focusing only on honoring the very important work our corporate media does every day to fight for democracy or something like that.
They really want to honor the White House reporters who gave it all, left it all on the playing field this year. You know how they covered the Biden mental infirmity so closely and explosively and blew the lid, right? Oh, wait, no, that never happened. Will that award be given in April for all the people who completely blew it and instead of exposing that, ran cover for him?
Cuz yeah, that happened over the past 12 months since their last big gala. Or are we just gonna honor the reporters who are taking a dump on Donald Trump every day? I can't wait to find out. I was invited to this shindig, and as I have for every year over the past 10, I declined to go. I'm not going to this.
When I was a very young reporter, I found this exciting before I understood what was what in Washington and back, frankly, when it was relevant and kind of cool. I hate to tell the people going, those days are over. You're now sort of saying yes to what's become a loser party where they can only get the dregs. And I urge anybody with ego and self-respect to say, no, no, I'm not going to that.
And speaking of corporate media, I went over to the New York Times earlier this month. I mean, the actual New York Times building, the belly of the beast, and sat down for two hours for their, quote, the interview podcast. This is part of the biggest podcast. podcast in America called The Daily, which the New York Times drops Monday through Friday.
And then on Saturday, they drop, quote, the interview podcast with millions of downloads per episode. And I have some thoughts and some behind the scenes moments for you on what happened, how it came out and why I did it. So let's get into it.
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Chapter 3: Is journalism evolving with new media?
You know, Lulu, she often takes people up into like the heart of the newsroom when the interview's over and introduces them to people. So she might do that with you. Let's just say that didn't happen. There was no tour of the New York Times newsroom. It was a no. I appreciate that. Why would she want to do that?
This gains Lulu zero street cred in walking through the New York Times newsroom with me. It was fine. But I have to say, I liked her. She was very kind to me, like in terms of our dealings behind the scenes. She was very nice. You can kind of tell when someone hates your guts and they're about to interview you. I didn't feel that way about her.
And the interview itself didn't reflect some animus on her part or bad faith. I thought, you know, she's, I think, of the left and came at these issues from the left. That was understood and not surprising. But I didn't sit across from her thinking, this is someone who can't stand me. And that would have led to a bad interview had I felt that way. So that's why I think it all worked.
It came off fine. I was more relaxed in giving her answers. And she was a good interview in terms of saying, tell me about that, as opposed to just trying to hammer me on various things. So in any event, it posted on Saturday. I hope people take a listen to it.
We'll talk about a couple of the sound bites and a couple of the outtakes just because those are always fun to know, you know, what happened. Um, we released a couple on social media over the weekend and I'll tell you the biggest divide between Lulu and yours truly, which we talked about was she didn't understand exactly what it is people like us do. the two women I'm looking at and myself, right?
That like, we do offer political commentary and we do offer our own opinions, but we also are journalists, but we all exist in this new ecosphere, right? Like we all have podcasts. We all have direct relationships with our audiences. We're all in new media as opposed to corporate legacy media. You know, the free beacon is its own entity, but I mean, Eliana does instinct wretches and is very honest.
In any event, that was where we really kept tripping wires because she didn't get how I can still call myself a journalist and have endorsed Donald Trump. Which one is that Steve? Okay. That's number four and we'll kick it off with that one.
Well, you interviewed him and it was a fair interview, a tough interview, but you opened it by saying, you know, that he was a friend. You said, I've been really dismayed by the amount of pile on that he's been suffering. And I've been outraged by the unfairness of the media's coverage of the allegations. And that's a direct quote.
And so, you know, I'm, I'm curious what you're doing in that interview because you're setting up the interview with, in a particular kind of way that perhaps it wouldn't be set up in the mainstream media.
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Chapter 4: How does owning bias affect journalistic credibility?
Chapter 5: What were the behind-the-scenes details of the NYT interview?
It came off fine. I was more relaxed in giving her answers. And she was a good interview in terms of saying, tell me about that, as opposed to just trying to hammer me on various things. So in any event, it posted on Saturday. I hope people take a listen to it.
We'll talk about a couple of the sound bites and a couple of the outtakes just because those are always fun to know, you know, what happened. Um, we released a couple on social media over the weekend and I'll tell you the biggest divide between Lulu and yours truly, which we talked about was she didn't understand exactly what it is people like us do. the two women I'm looking at and myself, right?
That like, we do offer political commentary and we do offer our own opinions, but we also are journalists, but we all exist in this new ecosphere, right? Like we all have podcasts. We all have direct relationships with our audiences. We're all in new media as opposed to corporate legacy media. You know, the free beacon is its own entity, but I mean, Eliana does instinct wretches and is very honest.
In any event, that was where we really kept tripping wires because she didn't get how I can still call myself a journalist and have endorsed Donald Trump. Which one is that Steve? Okay. That's number four and we'll kick it off with that one.
Well, you interviewed him and it was a fair interview, a tough interview, but you opened it by saying, you know, that he was a friend. You said, I've been really dismayed by the amount of pile on that he's been suffering. And I've been outraged by the unfairness of the media's coverage of the allegations. And that's a direct quote.
And so, you know, I'm, I'm curious what you're doing in that interview because you're setting up the interview with, in a particular kind of way that perhaps it wouldn't be set up in the mainstream media.
Yeah. Well, I'm glad you asked that because I feel like part of our discussion before and today is getting at something that Like our wires are crossing. Your wires and my wires are crossing in a way. Like you're kind of looking at me and saying, it's not behaving like a typical journalist. And it is still calling itself a journalist. And I'm trying to say to you, yes, I'm still a journalist.
I'm trying to understand it. Yeah, no, I know. I'm not saying you're judging me. Right. But I'm trying to say to you, yes, I'm still a journalist, but I'm in this new ecosystem where the old rules don't apply. You know, I'm in this world with, yes, Charlie Kirk and Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro, but my world is also Joe Rogan with these in-depth interviews and also Theo Vaughn.
And it's a very large world and how the consumer receives it is by going on youtube.com on their television screen or going to the vertical integrations on Instagram or TikTok and just taking in content. What's the content that you wanna receive? I'm on the list of content creators.
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Chapter 6: Why do people still support Trump despite controversies?
And I say this from the beacon all the time, like the beacon, we say we're conservative, like we own that. And our problem with you is that you claim to be down the middle and we know you're something else. And that is what has broken trust with audiences and readers. So when you don't cover Doug Emhoff, And the scandal surrounding him, that's trust breaking.
If you were to come out and say like, hey, we don't cover scandals about Democrats because it undercuts our political priors or our mission here. It's going to piss off our readers like, OK, we'd be fine with that. It's the posturing that you're fair. Yes. Right. That just own it.
I don't understand why in today's day and age they don't.
But that is why there's this wide open space for people like you and Joe Rogan and others to go build these huge audiences because they're not fooling people. They're just breaking trust with people.
Can I answer why they don't? I think that's actually a really interesting part of this because I – I believe that you could fix trust in media tomorrow. If the New York times and even the good faith people, like there's maybe 10% of journalists can genuinely be neutral and don't have like significant biases in one direction or the other. You can't tell it in their copy.
Like there are some people who can do that, but they're very, very rare with the New York times and the Washington post just came out tomorrow and said, Oh, Our reporting, not our editorial side, our reporting leans left. The vast majority of our reporters are liberal.
We think, you know, maybe they put one of those signs in this house, we believe X, Y, and Z outside of the Washington Post and New York Times. They would fix trust with their audience like right off the bat. because they do some genuinely decent reporting. Just tell us what you think.
But the reason they can't do that is that they are all in these cultural bubbles where they don't understand that their biases are biases. They think this is just a matter of human rights or decency or civility, but they don't understand that actually those are significant biases in one direction or the other.
So they're in such a bubble that they're not even able to determine anymore what's a bias and what's like actually just the things that are still controversial and contentious outside of their little bubbles. And what's actually just something that's a point of consensus that we all agree on.
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