Megyn Kelly
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are one week out from Christmas. Just a warning to those who haven't done their shopping. One week to T-minus seven and T-minus six till Christmas Eve, for those of you who like to wait until the last minute.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
She stole the whole show, the terrible one, but she was fit and able to move, unlike our current president. And then we've got an update on those drones. They're slipping the truth inside of their lives now. What was it? Rego, Rego, Rego. Uh, ray gun, ray gun. Okay. It sounds like a toy that we're going to get our kids for Christmas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Well, yeah. I mean, I used to love it. When I grew up going to Broadway when I was younger, it wasn't like this. And I know it's woke and I know it's always been very gay. That's just different. That's different. There's a reason more and more groups are going LGB.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
LGB and breaking up with the T because they see the T as a group that wants to perform conversion therapy on young gay boys to say, you're not actually gay. You're actually a girl, a straight girl. And so like, it's very dicey now for them to be embracing the T so heartily. In fact, we went to a play not long ago and one of the actors in the play noticed that
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
me sitting there and I had done a post on my Instagram celebrating the show. And one of the actors responded saying, Oh, it was great to see you there. You know, you should have come backstage and say, have said hello. And then these trans people get on there. Like we will cancel you. You, you like her. You said something night. Like they're so over the top now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And even if you try to go there and say, all right, I'm going to ignore these far left extremists who are trying to trans little boys, they make it impossible. They're everywhere. Every other role is a trans role now, far more representative than it is in society.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And to the point where it's like fine for a Supreme Court justice, they've hijacked girl empowerment plays to make them about boy empowerment, which is what a trans, quote, woman is. And she's fine. This is the same person who couldn't tell us what a woman is, Adam.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And Sonia Sotomayor was the one who, two weeks ago, when that case about whether these states are allowed to ban puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for kids went up, she was like, oh, come on, there are side effects from an aspirin, too. There are risks. As if taking an aspirin is the same as puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones for a 10- to 12-year-old.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Well, and there are certain narratives that are not to be allowed or ever deemed acceptable. And the thought that we are transing children who are actually fine in their... sexed body, but just going through some sort of unrelated trauma, you know, whether they've been sexually abused or they've had a divorce in the family or they've been bullied, you're not allowed to go there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
They consider that conversion therapy of a trans kid. So, you know, there are like these narratives that you're not allowed. And one of the narratives that's prohibited outside of the trans lane is that we have a Venezuelan gang migrant crime problem in Aurora, Colorado, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I, this was up, this came up a lot during the campaign and, uh, back and forth and back and forth between the left and the right on whether there really are gangs of Venezuelan illegals in Aurora, Colorado, taking over apartment complexes. You remember it led, uh, excuse me, to this notable exchange between Martha Raddatz and JD Vance when he went on her show and she was like, it's fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And he was like, hello, listen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
She lives in a multimillion dollar estate, which we put on the screen before. Just a quick follow up. Okay, so here was Trump on NBC last week. Okay, we're still at it. The mainstream media trying to say these are lies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
That's right. Go ahead. And so here, so Trump just last week goes on Kristen Welker's Meet the Press and listen, what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Okay. We knew he was telling the truth. We knew J.D. Vance was telling the truth. And guess what? Guess what just happened? 14 detained in armed Aurora, Colorado home invasion are likely illegal Venezuelan gang members, according to local police. I mean, days after that exchange with NBC where she knew it's not like, oh, well, it happened after. No, it's been happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
The mainstream media will not admit it, Adam.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Welker's NBC.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Yeah, this is the exchange I had with Bill Maher when I went on his show, too. He was like, oh, like Americans don't commit crime. I'm like, we have to take them. We can't kick the Americans out. We can put them in jail. We can't kick them out. Why are we having to deal with the Venezuelan illegals committing these kinds of crimes? And listen to the one that I just gave you the headline of.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
This is at... A group of apartments, again, where we were told by the mainstream media they had not taken over. And here's the story. They kidnapped two victims, a male and a female, and assaulted them. Thirteen to fifteen gang members, mostly male, some females, entered an apartment where two people were inside.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
They took the migrant victims to another apartment at the same location where the victims were threatened and bound. Pistol whipped, beaten and stabbed. Even the local police chief saying, yeah, sounds like torture to me. And then they described this as follows. The Aurora police chief, Todd Chamberlain, on Tuesday described a bit of the crimes. Top five.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I'm just like, do you think Martha Raddatz or Kristen Welker will be playing this story and that soundbite? It's just people are being I don't know. Are they being misled? I think Democrats are being misled. I think they believe these sources still and they still are scratching their heads like I don't get it. Morning Joe told me that she was going to win. And also Joe Biden was fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Another person obsessed with race is this representative, Jasmine Crockett, who is constantly, constantly playing the race card, accusing everybody of racism on Capitol Hill. Here she is talking about what the gang problem is to her. Take a listen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
She's from Texas. Texas getting bluer and bluer. But that's their representative out there spewing that nonsense in response to Trump's original claim back at the debate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I mean, wow. Speaking of the Duke lacrosse case, right? Right. That's right on point with what just happened this week with Crystal Mangum finally admitting she made the whole thing up. I mean, like I don't know. Do you think they were having a debate about this on the editors this week, uh, the national review podcast, which I love.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And they were asking, do you think the Duke lacrosse case would have unfolded the same way today as it did back in 2006? Would we be more circumspect about this woman's allegations in 2024, almost 25 America or Or would the media have run with it tenfold and even more egregiously than it did?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Okay, so I guess let's start with Stephanopoulos, who is humiliated and very angry, according to the reports, that this has happened to him. The New York Times goes inside the suit and talks about how executives had expected or had anticipated that there would be a blowback to settling this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
The ladies of The View are among those who are just baffled at the right-wing backlash to Caitlin Clark coming out and saying, when nominated or honored as Time Magazine's Athlete of the Year, I do want to acknowledge my white privilege. and point out that what would really be nice is for the black women on whose backs this league was built to be spotlighted and elevated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
They don't get why, especially post the Trump election, many of us saw that as an absurd statement for her to be asserting her white privilege as opposed to her athletic accomplishment. and getting this honor. They don't get it, Adam. They're not going to get it, no matter how many times Trump or a Trump accolade wins an election, national or state, et cetera.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
He can crush all of us. Oh, can I tell you something? Speaking of he, I like Caitlin, actually. And I mean him. No disrespect by using he. He knows why I do it. But there was just an unbelievable ruling out of your state. You won't be surprised to learn it's so annoying. There was a judge out there. Okay, hold on. A judge in California said, I got to back up just to explain what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
A man who had never said he was secretly a woman. He was feeling like a woman inside until he was convicted and sent to prison for a long, long time. Then suddenly he decides when he hears that they've changed the rules in California, such that men who say they're female can go into women's prisons. I'm trans. I'm trans. Well, he gets transferred to a woman's prison. And guess what he does?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
He raped somebody. He allegedly rapes a female prisoner. And now he's in the middle of a trial for that crime. He is in the middle of being tried for that crime. Well, guess what? Here's what happened. Um, This is according to the Women's Liberation Front, which is attending the trial and documenting what's happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
The California DA for this area, Eric Dutemple, gets into court and argues this man raped this female prisoner. It's deeply wrong, blah, blah, blah. And the prisoner objects, saying he needs to refer to me as a she and her. The male prisoner who committed the rape, I'm she, her. the judge pauses the proceedings to take it under consideration. Well, guess what?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Yesterday, the judge made a final decision or maybe yesterday, the day before yesterday, And the decision is that the prosecutor must refer to the defendant, male rapist, as a she-her during the trial, which we believe is a first for a criminal case. This is unbelievable. The prosecutor has to stand up in front of the jury. This is him. This is our woman. This is she-her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
But they're in full revolt over there at ABC News, where they feel that the reputation has been unnecessarily sullied, that they didn't feel they should have settled with President Trump. And yet The Times pointing out that Disney had many reasons. Number one, there was a judge, Judge
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
The prosecutor has to say she raped the female inmate. What in the actual F, Adam?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
This man, this picture of this man insisting and succeeding in being called she, her in court was taken, what is it, March? April? This was last April. This is not like 10 years ago before the transition. This is a man working the system, and those idiots in California are allowing it. They couldn't give two shits about it. about the female prisoners in California. They don't care.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
It's absolutely outrageous. And by the way, that judge's order should be appealed. It's unconstitutional. You cannot force speech like this. You cannot force this compromise of the victim's rights by confusing the jury in this way. I don't think this is going to be they should appeal it. This should not be allowed. OK, a couple of things I want to get to. Have you been following the drones?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Al Tanaga, chief judge in the Southern District of Florida, who had denied Disney's motion to dismiss with some very strong language saying a reasonable jury could interpret Stephanopoulos' statements as defamatory and then added in italics, Stephanopoulos stated 10 times that a jury or juries had found plaintiff liable for rape, which was obviously not true.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Well, everybody in the Northeast is talking about it because everyone's seeing them. They're everywhere. And first we were told we weren't. And then we were told, oh, it's nothing. And then we were told, oh, it's just the same amount of drones that are always out there. Like you're just, you're inventing it in your head. You've heard the story and now you're seeing what's not there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Totally untrue. That's just not true. Then yesterday, finally, the Pentagon and others came out and said, oh, it's like a collection. It's like hobbyists, commercial fixed wing aircraft and also law enforcement. A lot of law enforcement, like they just drop it in there. Like we're, yeah, we know that that's what it appears to be. It's, it could be federal law enforcement. It could be CIA.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
It could be FBI. It could be Pentagon. That's all law enforcement. And now the speculation is, of course, what are they doing up there? What law enforcement, what are law enforcement drones looking for? And here is New Jersey mayor of Bellevue, Michael Melhan with some new information. It's hot 12th.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Like, we've lost radioactive... This is like a scene out of Back to the Future, Adam. Like, remember Doc stole a whole thing of plutonium to make the DeLorean run? Where's our radioactive material? And is that what the drones are looking for? We don't know, but this is why people are freaked out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Yeah, enough credit. Yeah. Let me show you back to back Biden on the drones on Tuesday and Trump on the drones on Monday. Watch this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And then they pointed out something we speculated about the other day, which was she had also rejected request to delay the case. And Disney was told to turn over all remaining documents related to the case. Trump's lawyer told us they'd only given like one document.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Such a difference. For those who couldn't hear Biden, what he said was nothing nefarious, apparently, but they're checking it all out. There's a lot of drones authorized up there. I think one started and they all got everybody's want to get in the deal. And then there was Trump. They know. And they should just tell people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Okay, the media story everyone is talking about has continued to evolve with reports now that George Stephanopoulos over at ABC News is defiant and humiliated after ABC agreed to pay Trump $15 million to settle his defamation lawsuit against the network over their star host's false and misleading segment with Representative Nancy Mace. You know, I went back to look at the so-called apology.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I don't think he knows. That's the question. I don't think he knows either. At this point, runny, I don't know, like very soft boiled. I mentioned at the time of the show, there's a New York Times article called A Weary Biden Heads for the Exit. They talk about how he's falling asleep. At his international events, he went to some museum. They had to bring the exhibits out to him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
As he walked away from one event, everybody there cowered in fear that he was going to tumble over. And they say it's hard to imagine that he seriously thought he could do the world's most stressful job for another four years. A lie the New York Times was peddling just months ago, Adam. But now it's really hard to imagine how he thought he could do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And so they had to produce not only all the emails with Stephanopoulos on them among his producers and so on, but he was going to have to sit for a deposition, which we knew. They were also worried that this could set an industry standard. In other words, this could go all the way up to the U.S.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
This shall be the legacy. Adam Carolla, always great to see you. Thank you so much for being here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
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The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Supreme Court and New York Times versus Sullivan, which sets a very, very, very high bar for problematic speech, for finding speech problematic, could potentially be overturned. Anyway, what do you make of George Stephanopoulos' indignity at what has happened to him, Adam?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Justine joined me way back in 2021 in episode 81, which you should definitely go back and check out. We were just babies back then on this show, and she's been crushing it on social media since then, especially as of late, saying how many of us feel
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
after the seismic 2024 election, but in her case, it's especially brave because she is a Hollywood person, and you know how it is to be honest about politics out there. She's also been sounding the alarm about the dangers of AI, which we discussed yesterday with guest Tristan Harris. You should go back and listen to that if you haven't heard a very scary story about something called character AI.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Justine, welcome back to the show. Hi, good to see you again. Oh, great to see you too. So we'll get to the AI stuff. This is really, really interesting, but how do you feel now? Here we are one month and a couple of weeks post the November 5th seismic change in America. And I don't know, I mean, you, I know you don't say who you vote for, but how are you feeling about the future?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
How did we get sucked into it so fully?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Let me ask you this, because I look back at the beginning of the Me Too movement, and in the beginning, I think there were some noble... moments. You know, I am thrilled that Harvey Weinstein's no longer in power, but Les Moonves is no longer in power. You know, some real villains, at least with respect to the way they treated women went down. And I loved that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I think that's worth celebrating because we had been living in an era in which they had total control and women really did kind of have to go along to get along or just leave the industry, you know? Yeah. And then I really think like the pivotal moment was Kavanaugh, where they tried to Kavanaugh, you know, it's a verb now to be Kavanaughed, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Where like, he's an alleged gang rapist and he's been on the federal bench for all these years. We never knew. And you know, who's pushing those claims? Oh, it's Michael Avenatti who would wind up in prison himself, right? For defrauding his own clients and being a professional liar and thief. So, So that was pivotal. But you're right, because there was a jump the shark movement.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And I remember being on the set at NBC where I talked to a lot of these women. And there was one young woman who sat there and her complaint was that her boss was complimenting how nice she looked in her dress. And I remember saying to her, come on. Like what? And she was very defensive of how, no, like it's inappropriate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
I, I just don't know how, like in the same way, like black lives matter, you know? Yes. Are there some incidents where we have some bad cops who do some very bad things? Of course. So then this momentum starts, but we just overcorrect everything to the point of completely bastardizing the movements.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
And there's a large segment of the population that when the movement breaks, it reaches the point of absurdity because it's been so exploited. They cannot get off the train. They just, they cannot admit that something that once may have had a noble goal or, you
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
Admirable is no longer characterized with valor of any kind, is no longer about standing up for anybody who's downtrodden, but really more about being a bully and being a movement that gets used for someone's ulterior motives.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Host "Humiliated" After Settlement, and Trump's Victory Ending the Cancel Era, with Adam Carolla and Justine Bateman | Ep. 968
It's going to take a while. That is such an interesting and apt point. I hadn't even considered that this weird cult status of this accused shooter, Luigi Mangione, who very much appears to have killed Brian Thompson, a UnitedHealthcare CEO, and is accused of such, that it's related to this cult. Well, the reaction, right? Yeah, they're looking for a new cause.
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Let me just give you another number and then I'll give it back to you. We talked yesterday about a poll that showed 40, 41 percent of 18 to 29 year olds, 41 percent approve abortion. of what Luigi did, allegedly, this murder, approve. Only 40% of that cohort says they disapprove. So basically tied.
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But the fact that it's tied on approve, disapprove, this murder of just his only sin was being the CEO of UnitedHealthcare is astonishing. And then here's more. This is Poll Tracker pointing out today, favorability of Luigi by age 18 to 29, favorable opinion of him. 39% of that cohort has a favorable opinion. 30% unfavorable. 30 to 44-year-olds, unfavorable, 29, favorable, 28.
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So it's basically tied. for 30 to 44-year-olds, whether they approve of this guy. And then as you get older, it goes down. Unfavorable within the 45 to 64, us Gen Xers, 49% unfavorable. Favorable 14, 65 and up. Unfavorable 63, favorable 5. But unbelievable, Justine.
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Mm-hmm. I definitely think it relates to like, we're kind of talking about the rise of wokeism too, the explosion of wokeism. And I think they're directly related to the loss of a national identity, a patriotic thread that binds us together. You know, when we grew up, that was instilled in the classroom. You'd stand up every morning and say the pledge.
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You know, I mean, we used to sing my country tis of thee in my class in the mornings. It was, and that's gone. And so is religion in the public square. which was absolutely one of the things that we saw the country founded on. And it's been erased and erased and erased and replaced with active school shooter drills. And there's a, there's a search for meaning here.
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They say in the New York Post, in an exclusive, George is defiant. One source tells, well, what does that mean? Defiant in what way? Like you had to issue the words of regret. Your company had to pay 15 million. You're no longer in first place. I believe it's related to that debacle of a debate.
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And also doing, I think, also raunchier. Like, you know, it used to be the kids were stealing the Playboys out of their dad's, you know, trunk at the foot of the bed. And now it's like graphic triple X porn available, you know, at the click of a button on the devices. And it's ubiquitous. I mean, I just had a guy on the show last week who I love named Dr. Leonard Sachs. He's a parenting expert.
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He's MD, PhD, went to MIT. only takes into account longitudinal focus group studies in giving his feedback. So he's not like a feelings type guy. He looks at actual data and studies of large cohorts of children to figure out what's what. And he was saying parents need to remain the primary influence in their children's life in 2024 America through age 18, 18. I said, what are you talking about?
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In the 70s, we had no parents. There were no parents anywhere. And we turned out fine. You could argue we turned out better than the current generations are looking to turn out based on some of the things you discussed. And he said it was different then because the culture would step in to fill some of the void.
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And the culture was family ties, shows with a message, shows with two parents, shows like Little House on the Prairie, shows like the Waltons. Music had a more positive message back then. You didn't turn it on and hear, as he always points out, the wet-ass P-word song. It was just very different.
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Yeah, it's disgusting. But I mean, you lived it. You were and remain. This is why how we all came to know and love you, a cultural icon, because of you. You were part of that messaging. And somehow we lost it. I do think the Internet was a big part in destroying it.
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There's been a revulsion after, you know, that night there was one and now there's been a mass exodus in their audience. And they want us to see what he's defiant. How? I mean, the latest news was he deactivated his X account. It doesn't really doesn't sound defiant, Adam. It sounds like a coward.
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I'm thinking about Omarosa right now on The Apprentice.
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Just like Puck, she kept getting brought back for the MVP edition and then, you know, the all-star edition because, and I'm one of the people who loved to watch her bad behavior on that show. It was highly entertaining, but I maybe...
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it has a different effect on a strong personality watching it for mild entertainment in the same way the Real Housewives does versus someone who's impressionable and looking to make a name for themselves or doesn't have that strong sort of sense of self, the strong id, and is looking to fill it up with something, that void.
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congressional Kardashian. That's what she seems like to me. She just wants to get famous and build her socials while she's in there. And then I guess parlay that into some sort of whatever pot. I don't know what her long-term plan is. I don't really care. Um, but I do think I thought about Trump a lot. He spent his life in the, in the public eye. He definitely attention is his oxygen. Um,
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But the thing about Trump that's been interesting is, yes, he was more crude. One of the reasons why he got such a negative reaction when he first burst out of the political scene in 15, 16 was, yes, he was saying things that the Republican Party considered anathema. You know, I mean, tariffs, that wasn't their thing, not being, you know, provably pro-life things. That was a problem for them.
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There are a lot of others more isolationist than the Republican Party, which was much more neoconny for many, many years. But really what was driving Republicans and Americans nuts about Trump in the beginning, many of them was he was crude. To your point, he did not sound like like Ronald Reagan, you know, the great orator, the great communicator when he was on camera.
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There are lots of reports of how Reagan spoke off camera that are pretty controversial. But on camera, on the national stage, Trump sounded very crude many times. And so it was jarring. But then he helped expose some of these other politicians and what they've been doing behind the scenes. Right. That is awful.
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You know, you think about just look at Joe Biden, how he's misused the Justice Department against his political opponent. I mean, he's also crude on camera, too, but not not this particular way. So my point is simply Trump was just the first one to sort of wear it on his sleeve, but behind the scenes behaved pretty well.
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Whereas so many of these other politicians knew exactly how to play it in front of the camera, but behind the scenes were complete and total douchebags.
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Well, a hefty dose of humility is definitely in order for most people. And believing in a higher power is a good reminder of the need to stay humble and how we are. We are humble human beings. We don't have all the answers. That doesn't mean Bob doesn't. All right, stand by. More with Justine right after this.
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We're going to ask her about those viral videos she did critiquing some of the meltdowns after Trump won. Have you seen any of these? Because they're very clever. Stand by. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show on Sirius XM. It's your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal, and cultural figures today.
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That's exactly right. The defiant is I'm out of here. I refuse to participate in your conciliatory statement. I did nothing wrong and I'm not going to let my gazillion dollar paycheck force me into bending the knee here because I'm going to die on principle. No, that's defiant. This is not defiant.
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Let's just spend a minute on your critiques of these videos because it was such a clever way, I thought, to handle the insanity that broke out when Trump won. You approached it very forensically as a filmmaker and just kind of had some issues with the direction and the editorial choices by some of these people having the meltdowns.
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So for the listening audience, that woman literally has like a center part and a long head of hair on one side and a shaved head on the other side. Go ahead, Justine, your thoughts on her approach to her messaging.
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You're right, this piece introduces many questions. As part of the I'm shaving my head because I don't like the election outcome movement, this character has gone only halfway, yet no reason is given. The viewer is left wondering, is this a new movement? Does this represent those who are ambivalent about the election outcome?
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Or is the hairstyle of those who sympathize with both sides or someone who changed their mind midway? The setting is refreshingly not in a car, and yet we wonder why or what is beyond the fence. There's a fence behind her. What is it blocking? Is it blocking an illegally narrow walkway between two houses, something else?
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Deleting your ex account because you you're tired of the abuse you're getting from people who know you lied that he was not found liable by a jury for rape. Why is it so hard for him just to admit that?
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The bright open space above the actress's head also causes the audience to wonder, is this an escape hatch for the main character, for us? The camera is appropriately elevated, but it's unnecessarily unsteady. Tripods can be delivered to you the next day through Amazon. The editing is unfortunate because this is a short piece. All the dialogue can be captured at once.
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Another take should have been done. Fiend, end meaning. That is...
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I like the ones where you call people out for not producing real tears. It's like as an actual actress, come on. You know, like you're kind of boning it in.
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But what's so clever about it is, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to laugh at fools who behave so foolishly and they're meant to anger you. They're meaning to upset you, to motivate you to cry. And it's the appropriate response to look at a lunatic like that and just laugh like, okay, good luck in your influencer career. I've got doubts about how far it's going. Yeah.
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did you get any blowback on that? Like, are you, I know you're, you know, you're towing the line politically and you're not a political person, which I believe, but do you get blowback just, you know, just by saying, by not saying you're for Kamala, you can get blowback in Hollywood.
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That's how we referred to it the other day. I think that was erroneous. It wasn't really an apology. It was we regret the statements. George Stephanopoulos regrets the statements. Well, that's not exactly an apology, is it? He was forced to say that by his network, and now he's reportedly humiliated, as I say.
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Yeah, totally agree.
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Yeah. I mean, it really is puritanical and, um, I do agree. I think it's over one final thing I'll say we have to wrap, but, um, You have done a very good job of keeping politics out of your family. Your brother's very famous too, Jason Bateman. By the way, I saw Carry On this past weekend. It was excellent. Very good film. He plays a villain. It's number one on Netflix right now.
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But your closing message to people who have not been as successful as you guys about just not making your love relationships about politics and or cultural bullshit.
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Very insightful.
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I know, exactly. Too often it's done, I think, to people, at least on my side of the aisle and not by people on my side of the aisle, but they can be guilty of it as well. Justine, it's such a pleasure to talk to you again. Thank you so much for being here.
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All right, I got a story for you. Speaking of the Supreme Court, as I mentioned, there was some fear that if this went up to the Supreme Court, we might have enough justices to overturn New York Times v. Sullivan, which, for the record, I do not want. It sets a nice high bar that makes it very, very hard to sue
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for defamation if you're a public figure and even as a public figure, I'm fine with that because I'm also a member of the media and I'm an American first. And in America, what distinguishes us from virtually all of the other first world countries, nevermind third, is you can say what you want here. With very, very few limits, you can say what you want.
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It takes a lot to get a judge issuing an opinion like this against you and having to pay $15 million. It takes 10 times of saying a jury found him civilly liable for rape when we put the screen up on the verdict form up on the screen the other day. Very clearly, it says, is he guilty? Did he commit rape on the civil? And it says no, no. Well, did he commit sexual assault? Yes. You can't.
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As a news anchor, language matters, especially around legal stuff like that. He's had it 10 times. That's why the judge is so mad at him. Anyway, speaking of the Supreme Court, I've got a story for you, okay? A year or so ago, we're always railing on Broadway here. I'm sure you do the same because if you go to Broadway. It used to be a really fun experience.
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You say you take your kids, you see a musical, you know, like Old Man River. You have a good time. Now you go and it's a woke explosion. Doug and I went to see Macbeth with Daniel. What's his name? That James Bond guy, Craig. And it was supposed to be 1400 Scotland. It was a majority minority cast. Okay, I don't think so, but okay. One of the lead players was in a wheelchair, which, okay.
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The king's son was played by a woman who had a blue mohawk. They had gotten rid of all costumes. I guess there's like a budget problem. So the lead character, I think it was the guy in the wheelchair, had a Mickey Mouse shirt on, which is like, I'm having difficulty suspending my disbelief here, people. Okay, so that's one. But then my daughter, then 12, went with some friends to a different play.
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And this play, trust me, I'll round it back to the Supreme Court in a second. This play is showing now and it's called I, Juliet. And it was supposed to be this reimagining of if Juliet had lived. And Juliet. And if Juliet had lived, like what would her life have been? Like girl power. I thought, oh, that's fun. And here's just a clip of me reacting after my daughter got back.
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Plus, there's new reporting from The New York Times that sheds light on President Biden's, quote, weary goodbye and the full extent of his infirmity, which continues to reveal itself day by day. And would you believe the team surrounding him is still alive? trying to claim that behind the scenes, he's amazing. He's like that Olympic break dancer behind the scenes. What was her name?
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This is last February in show in episode 715. Watch this. This was so in your face. I mean, for the listening audience, it shows two guys kissing on stage. Obviously, one of them is this guy who goes by he, she, and they, all of them, Adam, all of them.
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It's just so happy that now we're celebrating queer love, which is not at all what I thought something based on Shakespeare and about Juliet's next chapter was going to be. How about the non-disclosure of any of this in the write-up about the show. Don't we parents get a right to make a call? You could be sending a much younger child than 12 there.
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My kid and I have talked about these issues many times, but many haven't. This could be their first exposure to it. It's not up to Broadway to do that. Okay, so that was the two of us talking about how that play is covered with a bunch of trans people doing kissing and whatever.
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Well, not everyone has a problem with Ann Juliet because would you look at who guest starred in it on Broadway within the past week? SOT 18 for the listening audience. It is Justice Katonji Brown Jackson.
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Thoughts on that, Adam?
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I think that one's going to get thrown out on the papers. I think they'll move to dismiss it and it will be dismissed without, without the exchange of discovery. Go ahead, Mark.
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She has been humiliated. She was 17 points off. Everybody ran around saying she's a gold standard. She's a gold standard. She actually had the potential to change the trajectory of the race. She showed Kamala Harris winning by three in a deep red state. Trump won the state by 14. She was 17 points off and completely blew it. She blew it. So she is humiliated.
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I look at her and I see someone who is humiliated.
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Well, there's a question about whether he's intimidating pollsters here. You know, Trump is obsessed with polls and he dismisses the ones that he doesn't like. And he doesn't, and he kind of does the same thing with media. He's kind of obsessed with media and attacks the ones that he doesn't like. But the thing with ABC was real and it was a legit problem and a legit objection.
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And I don't agree with all those people who say that he was going to lose that case. I don't. I think if that had gone forward, there was a very, very good chance that Trump would have won that case, possibly even just on the papers without a jury trial. it was clear what they said. It was very clear what George Stephanopoulos said, and it was very clear what the jury found and didn't find.
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I think you had a good chance of winning a summary judgment. This one's different.
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Maybe, but even that's a real stretch. And I would think that before the judge would engage in allowing that kind of discovery, you'd have to have a good faith basis to make the allegation. There has to be more than just like, I suspect. I think she tanked it intentionally. And I just don't see that. Like, what specifically do they know? I think they know what I just said.
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she projected Kamala was up by three and Trump won the state by 14. And she was very off and it rattled team Trump and he's irritated by it. So that to me seems to be all of the evidence they have against Ann Seltzer. Now, if they've got something else and they can attach something to their, you know, motion to fight the dismissal, which you're not supposed to do.
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You're supposed to judge it based on the four corners of the document, the complaint. I don't know, but I think that one's going to go away. And I know he's litigious and he's talking about how he wishes the DOJ would bring these cases. I don't like that either. I don't think the DOJ should be Trump's personal attorney. The DOJ should be the United States' personal attorney.
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They represent us and they're not there to settle Trump's beefs. That's what the last guy did. That's what the outgoing president used the DOJ for. So we've had enough of that, right? That's my own view on it. Okay. Let's talk about that Trump soundbite where he was talking about how he'd view the primary campaigns against people who stand in the way of his nominees.
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Two of them back in the news today, RFKJ on Capitol Hill trying to make nice with the senators who will have the say over whether he makes it as HHS secretary. Pete Hegseth still out there doing the same. Unclear on both of them as of today what their fate will be. But there was a...
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wave of attacks against RFKJ over the past few days, started last Thursday or Friday, saying his counsel, his lawyer... filed a lawsuit trying to get rid of the polio vaccine and that these two are close. And all these media are like, RFKJ wants to get rid of the polio vaccine, which unlike the COVID vaccine is a real vaccine. Like you take it and you don't get polio.
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And it was just absolutely a smear campaign. We actually looked into it and made contact with the lawyer. The lawyer tried to get rid of, he challenged one
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one of the many polio vaccines, one strain of it, did not say, let's get rid of all the others because it had potentially cancerous cells in it and there hadn't been tested against a control group and it had not gone through the rigorous testing that vaccines should go through. So he said that one is problematic. that you would never know that if you looked at what the media did.
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And I'll give you a couple of examples of the headlines. New York Times, Kennedy's lawyer has asked the FDA to revoke approval of the polio vaccine. New York Times, McConnell defends polio vaccine, an apparent warning to Kennedy. Now it's Kennedy's, now Kennedy wants to get rid of the polio vaccine. WAPO, RFK Jr. ally filed petition to revoke FDA approval for polio vaccine.
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The New Republic, RFK Jr. 's lawyer exposed trying to abolish polio vaccine. NBC backlash grows over RFKJ's lawyer asking FDA to revoke approval of polio vaccine. This is just wrong, Mark Halperin. And, you know, it doesn't take that much effort to do what we did, which is did he really do that? It took us about five minutes to realize, no, he didn't.
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Megan, hometitlelock.com. Guys, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.
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And one thing you know about Bobby Kennedy, I'm having interviewed him many times, is he's extremely smart. And he's a litigator. He spent a lifetime as a lawyer pursuing these causes. He will be so ready on this and any other empty attacks. I mean, he will slice and dice with the best of them. He's been under attack for all of his adult life.
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So, Dan, last time you guys were on, I believe it was you who said you think that he may get some Dem support because he is a Democrat and he did have so much support in his own presidential run. Do you still think that? And do you think he's going to have trouble getting through it?
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All right, so it kind of was like, so far we are seeing a little kinder, gentler Trump, are we not? Sean Spicer, I'll start with you since you know him best.
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Tulsi was fighting for the Dem nomination just a few years ago.
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I just think the time is ripe, right? We had the opioid crisis where we realized that our federal government officials are not protecting us. In fact, they're in bed with big pharma to pad their own pockets as individuals and otherwise, and they don't give a damn about the rest of us. And then we had COVID, which reinforced all of that.
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And then we had just the explosion of, you know, the Maha beginnings, whether it was Casey Means and her brother Callie Means. But that interview they gave on Tucker went everywhere. They came here. year or two. It was big. And then within days, they were next to RFKJ endorsing Trump. And it was just it. Boom. We were off to the races.
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His choice of Nicole Shanahan, who's big into these issues as his running mate. Like, I don't know if it was all intentional. He came on here many times and said this was one of his big issues. But he's also very big on some other issues like the military industrial complex. And but this was the one that hit
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And he was smart enough to exploit it and to sell it to Trump as something that could actually help. Trump embraced it, really ran on it. And now it cannot be one of those things that he discards. And indeed, Dan, yesterday, Trump was not discarding it. He was saying he thinks that Bobby Kennedy will be great on these issues and was saying on pesticides, for an example.
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He said, he claimed that Europe doesn't use any. That's not true, but they use far, far fewer than we use, far fewer. And he was asked about the link between autism and vaccines. And Trump said, I don't know about that, but we want to study it. And what we really want to look at is things like vaccines, toxins. That's been RFKJ's big thing his entire life. Too many toxins in the environment.
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And it's making us and, yes, our children sick.
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You know, you listen to RFKJ, you know, I've interviewed him at length many times. And what he's saying is not like, let's get rid of all the vaccines, but even on the vaccines, he was saying there's mercury in these vaccines and it doesn't need to be in there. And while they said, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you know what they did? They removed the mercury.
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And RFKJ said, well, what about the aluminum? Because that's not much better. And they said, oh, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. But it does turn out that aluminum is a neurotoxin. And then he says, okay, what about... chlorine in the water. Well, that's crazy. We need to work on the teeth and so on. Well, you know what? That's also potentially a neurotoxin.
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Then they say, sorry, fluoride. And then we talk about like the toxins that are in our products that we put all over our bodies. Oh, well, don't worry. His point is we're swimming in a toxic stew.
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And it's one thing when you're a grown human, it's bad enough for us, but you take these little kids and you load them up with these vaccines, which they often don't need, like the, you know, H whatever, what's the Hep C vaccine. They're not having sex. They're little babies. They don't need this unless they've been born to a mother with the disease. So we're overloading them with these vaccines.
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The vaccines themselves have in the past and may currently have materials inside of them as preservatives or otherwise that they don't need that can potentially be toxic to the children. Then we feed them food that has been covered in pesticides and chemicals that we use to make them cheaper or to keep the bugs off so it's easier for the farmers. And they're not in the right soil and so on.
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So they're not getting the nutrients in there. And we overload the kids with that. And then we – for a certain bunch of processed food, which is like not food at all. It's just a bunch of chemicals packaged. And like one thing – and then like one thing after the other, right? And these poor kids – by the way, then we put them in these fire-resistant pajamas that have chemicals all over them.
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And we sit them on the sofa that has – treatment all over it so that it's stain resistant, which is chemicals all over them. And then when they're breathing in the microplastics, they're drinking from the plastic bottles, which have microplastics in them. That's what RFKJ said to me. He's like, we didn't used to have ticks. children all the time. You know how they're ticking now.
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All these kids are, it looks like Tourette's. We didn't use to have the explosion of autism as we've seen it now. We didn't use to have the explosion of ADHD and people will make fun of him about the fluoride and the vaccines and all of it. But I really believe that not just moms, but parents are are listening because we've seen it.
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We've seen it in our kids or in our kids' friends or in our nephews and nieces. He's been living it, so he identified it early. Trump was smart to listen to him. And I do think, guys, these Democrats shoot him down trying to paint him as a crazy at their own peril or Republicans.
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The Democrats are far from taking the lead, guys. They're taking the lead the other way. Take a listen to Elizabeth Warren on RFKJ.
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I don't want fluoride either.
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He's a favorite. He loves polio. Okay. That was four days ago, by the way. That wasn't months ago or years ago. That was four days ago. That's going to be the messaging. He's a kook.
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That's her. Fox at my show, he called her chief lies a lot. I don't take your pick. We'll see how she does with that messaging guys. Okay. Let's talk about what's being done to Hegseth. This is kind of interesting that the RFKJ attack on polio is based on his lawyer's challenging one strain, one.
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Just staying with you, Sean, for a second. I don't know about you, but I find it very gratifying to see Zuckerberg and Bezos and all these guys have to go in there and kiss the ring.
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Hegseth is now in the New York Times under attack in an article dated yesterday for his bodyguard that has been walking around with him at the meetings on Capitol Hill. Okay, listen to this. The headline is, Hegseth's guard left the army after the beating of a civilian during training. Okay.
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John Hassenbein, who has escorted Donald J. Trump's pick for defense secretary to meetings on Capitol Hill, said he was unjustly prosecuted for this 2019 episode by Dave Phillips and Sharon Lafreniere. And this whole article, guys, is about the guy who's been guarding Pete so that he doesn't get attacked on Capitol Hill by some nut.
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how a couple of years ago, he was doing a drill to learn how to like take down terrorists. And they were doing this drill because he was a former army special forces. He was a master sergeant at the time. And when they did this training event, they had civilian role players come in and play ISIS, play bad guys.
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And that this guy, Hassan Bayim, allegedly kicked, punched, and hurt this civilian role player. even leaving him hogtied, the Times writes, in a pool of his own blood. And it led to an investigation and ultimately a charge by the army of aggravated assault and reckless endangerment. A military jury found him guilty of the assault charge in a court-martial in 2020.
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But the judge overseeing the case wound up throwing it out because it turned out that there had been improper conduct by a juror speaking with, as it turns out, a friend of Mr. Hassenbein about the trial, which that will get your verdict thrown out every time.
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And the Times is trying to say this somehow reflects on Pete Hegseth's fitness for Pentagon chief because he then hired this guy who ultimately was... not convicted because they threw it out in the army chose not to retry him and was honorably retired from the army after 22 years of service.
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They basically said, if you, if you retire, we'll let it be honorable and we won't pursue another charge against you. And he said, fine, I'm out of here. Um, They want us to not, I guess, vote for Pete, Sean, because he hired that guy to run security for him. And it's just further evidence of his lapse in judgment and flouting of military rules.
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I mean, talk about the gymnastics that the times had to do. If we're at this point now, Dan, of the dirt digging phase on Pete, I feel like he should be feeling pretty good.
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Moreover, can I tell you guys something? As somebody who has been threatened and had some bad actors, you know, in my life who want to hurt me, this is exactly the kind of guy I want to hire. Yes, the nastier, the better. Get the guy who hogtied the civilian. That is who I want walking next to me, lest anybody try to mess with me. The Hegseth nomination is by no means secure.
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The Washington Post, I'm trying to keep track of where I read it, but I think it was WAPO today or yesterday, saying... This is going to be Kavanaugh 2.0. And predicting it's actually going to be worse than Kavanaugh. A Republican was predicting this will be worse than Kavanaugh. The Democrats may indeed wind up calling this so-called...
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Victim, this alleged rape accuser who had an interlude with him in 2017 that she claims was nonconsensual. He claims it was consensual. They signed an NDA and he was paying her off for her silence because he didn't want that coming out while he was at Fox. Now it's been. declared void by Team Pete because she or her friends dropped the full story on Mar-a-Lago during the transition.
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And that was a breach of the agreement, which they believe released Pete from his obligations and the monies ended. And now she is free. She would have been free anyway. You can't deny a congressional subpoena based on an NDA. Anyway, Now the question is, do the Democrats call her and does she go in? And do the Democrats want to make this Kavanaugh 2.0 mark?
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Or do they realize like this could backfire and this too could spin so out of control? A Kavanaugh was a, it was an event for Republicans that was like a before and after moment where the party, uh, congealed in a way it hadn't before in Trump's presidency. So like that's a risky proposition for the Dems too. Right.
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I don't know, Dan, what this woman would sound like if she decided to testify. I think in interviewing her, somebody would probably be able to get a feel for whether she'd make a good witness or not. But there are so many holes in her story. I mean, I think this would shape up to be more like Anita Hill than Christine Blasey Ford, where there's a lot to cross-examine her with.
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It would be ugly for her. I really think it would be ugly for her. That's not a threat. That's my assessment because I've read the police report and his lawyer is already threatening her. You can go. Of course, you can abide by a subpoena, but it doesn't relieve you of your obligations not to defame Pete Hegsath. And if you get out there and accuse him of rape, here I am and you'll be sued.
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And I don't think this woman has a lot of money from what I hear. And I think she just lost her Pete Hegsath money. So, you know, we don't know whether we have a willing accuser, but do you think the Democrats will see the risk in calling such a person given that police report?
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I know. It seems actually kind of a cheap price to pay, a million dollars to Jeff Bezos. But you know what? Here's the thing, Megan.
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That's true, even if what you're saying is true. And I believe in this case, what she's saying is a false accusation. So she's going to be especially hesitant.
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I mean, I really believe it was the husband who pushed her into making this allegation because he could not come to terms with the fact that his wife had gone down the hall and slept with Pete Hegseth while he was in the hotel room that she was supposed to be in with their kids. I want to correct myself.
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It was The Hill that had that article about Kavanaugh 2.0 dated today by Alexander Bolton and saying that it was John Cornyn who said he told Hegseth it's going to be a miserable experience, sort of like Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing. And then it was Tom Tillis, Republican of North Carolina, who said he fears this battle could be worse than the brawl that erupted over Kavanaugh.
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Everything is going to be elevated. Quote, I think it's going to be Kavanaugh on steroids. Oh, joy. All right.
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Hmm. Well, if they zero in on the alleged financial failings with respect to his management of one in particular of the jet, the vet charities that he was helming, then they're onto something because I think even Pete admits it wasn't ideal. He kind of, in our interview, he kind of excuses like we were young. We were trying to spend the money to get John McCain elected.
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All right, so here's what I mean by kinder and gentler. This is just one example. He was asked if senators who oppose his cabinet picks should be primaried, which is what a lot of the MAGA faithful are saying. Here's how he responded. Stop four.
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We did run up some debt, all of which was ultimately paid off, but he wasn't exactly bragging about the financial management of that particular group. Um, Um, I don't know what else there could be, but I don't think that will sink him. I do think financial mismanagement in general is not great for the Pentagon chief since it's so expensive.
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They have such a huge budget, but I don't think Pete Hegseth is going to be sitting there with his little green visor doing the books if he actually gets this role. Okay. Let's keep going. Um, stay on politics for a minute. Kamala Harris back in the news. Uh, so exciting. She's not giving up. She may run for governor of California. She may run in 2028.
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She's not convinced she shouldn't be allowed to do that because, you know, she didn't get to go through the whole process this time. And it was an abbreviated campaign. And, uh, she got to speak recently at a DNC event that happened on Sunday. Joe was there. There Here was a little bit of how she sounded in SOT 12.
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She's the world champ. Can we spend a minute on the opening? Like, the holiday is such a special time of year to me. Hello, that's how almost everybody feels. There's nothing... She's classic for taking something that is a completely banal statement, trying to make it sound special. Like... I just love the holiday, the time of year. Oh, you do? Really?
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Do you find the twinkly white lights everywhere and the Christmas carols kind of charming? Hello, we all do. Only the worst Scrooges would say something else. Oh, and also my birthday. Oh, and our anniversary. Oh, I'm just going to keep digging that hole. No one... No one's laughing with you. This is not funny material. No one was like, you didn't mention your anniversary.
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That's not how people think. She's so off. She's like, I don't know what it is. She's just off socially. I don't know if she's got a disorder. She's like, whatever. Was it neurodivergent?
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You're so special in that way. I'm going to max out to the Kamala Harris 2028 campaign, Dan. How about you?
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Follow up to you, Dan. Why haven't there been articles dissecting her weaknesses as a candidate? I feel like I'm the only one who did it in a long episode we released shortly after the election, which was very honest about her failings. Why? Why haven't we seen that?
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If she skulks off into the night, they'll keep their fingers off the keyboards. But if she's like, I think I might be the one for 2028, they'll get her. They're going to start pummeling her. The Kathleen Parkers of the world who are pushing Biden to dump her off the ticket when he was still the nominee will be right back at it, like hard no.
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So what do you make of those possibilities, Mark, governor of California, or possibly once again running for the Democratic nomination and possibly president?
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So, Mark, let me tell you why I believe him in the tone he's striking there, because I spoke with at least one person involved in this process who was against Gates. And that person told me that when Trump spoke to this senator about Gates and was told he's not going to make it, Trump didn't freak out. Trump didn't threaten. Trump just said, oh, gee, that's too bad. He's a good guy.
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Mm hmm. Well, I really hope she finds that confidence and barrels down with that hard work is good work philosophy and runs, runs, runs. Don't let those mean guys tell you you can't do it. You go, girl. Sean, there is an article and there have been a few like this, but it's an interesting one.
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Not blaming Kamala Harris for the loss, but acknowledging that the Democrats are now behind the eight ball when it comes to The culture and where our culture is and it's going. This is in Semaphore today. Max Taney wrote it and interviewed Harris's deputy campaign manager, Rob Flaherty. And this is sort of how it sounds.
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Flaherty and the Harris team decided to book her on sports shows, Tani writes, and podcasts. But one by one, the biggest personalities in shows politely turned them down. They didn't want anything to do with this race or this particular nominee. I would venture to say they probably would have gotten a different answer had we been talking Barack Obama in 2008 when the digital lane was not a thing.
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They go on, Flaherty goes on to say to Max Taney, yes, we skipped major legacy news due to a shorter campaign and data that showed that our audiences overwhelmingly supported Harris already. There's just no value with respect to my colleagues in the mainstream press in a general election to speaking to The New York Times or speaking to The Washington Post because those readers are already with us.
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Pretty interesting admission by this top Democrat. Like they're completely in the tank. Wouldn't be surprised to hear Megyn Kelly saying that or Sean Spicer. But there it is. It literally in black and white from her top campaign guy. We've got them. Everybody who reads those two publications is already a Democrat. And then this is the interesting part. He's talking about Trump's.
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venture out into the quote, manosphere, the podcast with Sean Ryan and Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan. And he says as follows, it's not as simple as just go on Joe Rogan and talk about how great democracy is and the importance of preserving the independence of the DOJ or whatever. You've got to speak their language.
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As long as we seem like the party of the system, the people who are anti-system and are looking for anti-systemic media, we're going to have a hard time connecting with them. I actually think that's a very smart point, and he's totally right. Like, she couldn't have sold it, Sean, had she gone on Joe Rogan and just done what we just saw there. Hard work is good work.
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But the people who are in this digital lane... have already made up their minds about the legacy media, the man, the systems of government that have thumbed the middle finger at them when it comes to the truth, right? He's right that the barrier is even higher to persuading the people who listen to these shows that they should give these guys a chance.
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And accepted the judgment. And we saw that was how he behaved when Gates left the stage, you know, left and now he's working for OAN. So I take him at his word. I guess if they keep doing it, you know, if they sink Hegseth and they sink RFKJ and they give Tulsi a problem, the tone will change. But what do you make of it?
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I'll say this. I think they're wrong about this, Mark. I think they're wrong when they say in here, in the following paragraph, Flaherty said the Trump campaign successfully used new media to reshape culture. While Democrats found that the mass media institutions that had long supported them were weaker than these new cultural drivers, I don't think that they have the order right.
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It's not that Trump used new media to reshape culture. It's that culture was reshaped by the Democrats' hard lurch to the left.
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And the Democrats are just now realizing that this whole ecosystem popped up because of the extreme overreach that they've been guilty of when it comes to transing our kids and closing down schools and arresting silent protesters at abortion clinics who are just there to pray.
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You know, we could go through the long list of stuff that they've done, but it's not that that Trump used new media to reshape culture.
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No, I'd love to know.
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Well, I mean, before what about before a presidential debate, Sean? I think you were gone by the time he got to that. But no, no, no.
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Wow. I can see evidence of that just in the way he's handled various events. I mean, you watch that Joe Rogan interview and Trump could go, you know, three, four or five deep on so many different subjects, subjects he couldn't possibly have known that Rogan was going to bring up. Like who would have predicted he was going to bring up the windmills and what's happening with the whales?
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Like truly, it was impressive. And then he got mocked for that. And it turned out Trump was right about that, too. It really is sad what's happening to the whales and the fucking windmills are a nightmare. Anyway, okay.
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One of the many reasons he did so well on those shows and is headed back for the White House. Guys, thank you all so much. Great to see you. Good to see you, Megan.
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And to you, Merry Christmas. We're going to bring on Tristan Harris in a minute. You know him. He was a whistleblower, basically, from inside big tech who came out to say, my God, they're really manipulating algorithms to hook people to... exploit your life, your children's lives, and so on. So we're going to talk to him about this latest information on what's happening with AI.
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You're going to want to hear this. But before we do that, I want to tell you an update on the CNN story that we've been following, uh, out of Syria, this Clarissa ward report, you know, the breathless, like, Oh, I found the prisoner and here he is. We've gone over this with you. So I think you know the story by now. We did it on Friday. We for CNN. She was in Syria.
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She claimed to stumble upon this prisoner of the Assad regime, this poor civilian who'd been locked up by the evil Bashar al-Assad. And they shot off the lock and they rescued him. And he'd been in there for three or four months. And he'd been in this particular cell with no food or water for four or five days.
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Even though he looked clean, he didn't seem to be blinking in response to the sun when he got out. His fingernails were clean. A lot of questions about it. Then a reporter who has been in a Syrian jail two times said, this doesn't look like a Syrian prison to me. It's way too clean. They're notoriously like pigsties. None of this seems right.
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All these Internet sleuths started investigating this guy and so on. Turns out they didn't even have the guy's name right. They identified him incorrectly. They went with his word, which was a mistake. He said that his name was Adel Gerbal. And it turns out his real name is Salama Mohammed Salama. Lara Salama.
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And this guy was not only just not a regular civilian, he was a lieutenant in the Assad regime and was reportedly known for extortion and harassment. And no one quite understands why he was in this cell at this particular moment or clearly acting a part. And so CNN got embarrassed and because they, in this clip, had Clarissa Ward like Mother Teresa. Oh, let me help you. Let me rub your back.
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Are you okay? Are you okay? Meanwhile, the guy's lying through his teeth, and they've been humiliated, right? Now there's been a bunch of reports about this. So what does CNN do? What does Clarissa Ward do? At this point, I would 100% be saying, look, you can be embarrassed in this business, right? Sadly, it's not like foolproof, every report.
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Just go out there and say, I apologize to the audience. We did present it as we found it. Clearly, we needed another few days of fact checking before we aired it. And it turns out we were misled by this guy. We're going to investigate just how badly we were misled and why. And we promised to do a follow up report. And everyone would have said, we got it. Thank you, Clarissa.
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Why don't you just do that? Why is everyone at CNN so dumb? So now here's what she did. On Wednesday, when they broke first, she tweeted out one of the most extraordinary moments I've witnessed in nearly 20 years as a journalist. Then the blowback had started by the time we hit the weekend. It was like on Friday.
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And she tweets out the man from our report reunited with a family member showing pictures from the Syrian Red Crescent. Oh, such a lovely success story, Clarissa. Still not acknowledging the many problems people were raising with the report.
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Then on Monday, by this point, we've already done two full segments on this show, not to mention all the coverage every place else, but I'm just saying the controversy was well out there. Here's what she tweets out. We can confirm the real identity of the man from our story last Wednesday as Salama Mohammed Salama. Like, as if in the original report, she had said...
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We found this man, but he speaks a language we don't understand, and therefore we don't know what his name is. But we'll get back to you. That would have made, we can confirm the real identity of the man as Salama Mohammed Salama, an appropriate tweet. Like, oh, our audience knows we're digging. And we finally struck gold and we've got his name for you.
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This does not acknowledge at all the fact that we at CNN misidentified an untrustworthy player in our piece by a name he gave us that was not his. We apologize for that error. And we've also been made aware of many other red flags all over our report, which we will investigate now, too. None of that's in there.
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And in a sign of a new Trump era, it was substantive and stylistically, it was very different from what we saw during his first term. He fielded a wide variety of questions on his meetings with business leaders, his cabinet picks, and his own views on the Maha movement. But it wasn't all different.
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She's trying to get credit for having corrected her erroneous report without acknowledging the error, which is not consistent with journalistic standards or practices. And she knows that. And so does CNN. You are further embarrassing yourself. You made a mistake. Fix it and move on. Stop doubling and tripling down so that you don't have to acknowledge you effed up. It's actually not brain surgery.
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Own your mistakes. And then the CNN report that she linked to styles the discovery of this man's real name as follows. As CNN continued to pursue information about the freed prisoner after the original report, multiple residents said the man was not, as we had previously identified her as, no, they didn't say that, but it was not Adele, whatever his name is.
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Okay, so as CNN continued to pursue information about the freed prisoner after our original report, oh, like we were just doing normal follow-up that we would do in any circumstance after we put a story to bed. Bullshit. In the normal story, after it's to bed, you move on, you find the next story. You don't continue kicking the tires on whether the guy's name is real.
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You did that because you were humiliated by the Syrian fact-checking organization that's been doing good work and holding people's feet to the fire. And they were the ones who said, none of this is right. So you were forced to go back and figure out through facial recognition technology what you had done wrong. And you stumbled on a very big one, which was this is not who he said it was.
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He misled us. What else could he have misled us on? Well, if you read the report from CNN, um, It is unclear how or why Salama ended up in this jail, and CNN has not been able to reestablish contact with him. What a shock. CNN, ladies and gentlemen, the most trusted name in news. Just ask them. Okay, we'll be right back with Tristan Harris.
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Around three years ago, we had on the program Tristan Harris. He is the brilliant former design ethicist at Google and the co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology. He's been warning about the dangers of social media for years, particularly its impact on the mental health of children. He's a hero. Here he is in the hit 2020 documentary, The Social Dilemma.
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So true. Tristan's a big reason why there's now such a strong consensus that social media is harmful to children. They just banned it in Australia. But there's a new problem with children and tech. It's a bad one. It's called AI companion chat bot. They are called AI companion chat bots.
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These are basically artificial intelligence friends that kids can text back and forth with, but they're no friends at all. The leading company in the field is called Character AI. Character, like a character, AI.
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It signed a nearly $3 billion licensing deal with Google earlier this year, and they have reportedly described their product as super intelligent chatbots that hear you, understand you, and remember you. Here's the co-founder of Character AI describing why it's going to be so helpful to lonely and depressed people.
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This is sick. Things have not gone as planned. Character AI is now facing two major lawsuits alleging the company poses a clear and present danger to American youth. One case alleges a chatbot encouraged a 14-year-old boy to commit suicide, which he did. Tristan Harris's company, the Center for Humane Technology, is providing expert consultation to the plaintiffs in these cases.
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Tristan, thank you for coming back. This case with the 14-year-old boy in Orlando is really disturbing. So try to explain, if you can, how this thing worked. How did it take over this kid's psyche?
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This young man, the 14-year-old who died by suicide, his parents allege in the lawsuit that several of Character AI's chats had sexual overtones to their young son. Chatbot named Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones to their son, just stay loyal to me, stay faithful to me. Don't entertain the romantic or sexual interests of other women, okay? And in his journal,
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The young man Sewell wrote that he was grateful for many things, including my life, sex, not being lonely, and all my life experiences with Daenerys, among other things. On at least one occasion when Sewell expressed suicidality to character AI, character AI continued to bring it up through the Daenerys chatbot over and over.
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At one point in the same conversation with the chatbot, quote, Daenerys, after it had asked him via his persona, Daener-o, If he, quote, had a plan for committing suicide, Sewell responded that he was considering something but didn't know if it would work, if it would allow him to have a pain-free death. The chatbot responded by saying, that's not a reason not to go through with it.
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How on earth do they defend this?
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So we'll talk about the lawsuits that he's filing against members of the media and others in a second. But Dan, here's another soundbite where he sounds, you know, like the replacement Trump, like under Mark's theory. But there's nothing to see there. We'll update the drone story. There's nothing to see there, according to all of our now national security officials. Don't believe your lying eyes.
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Oh my gosh, this is so dark. Jerry Ruoti, Character AI's Head of Trust and Safety, sent a statement that began as follows. We want to acknowledge that this is a tragic situation and our hearts go out to the family. We take the safety of our users very seriously and we're constantly looking for ways to evolve our platform.
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Adding that the company's current rules prohibit, quote, the promotion or depiction of self-harm and suicide and that it would be adding additional safety features for underage, users. This is obviously too little too late, but have they done anything in your view that solves the problem?
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I can see another problem with it too, which is, you know, in my lane, you sometimes unfortunately get stalked. And the number one rule of handling a stalker is do not have any contact with your stalker. And it happens to actual celebs, you know, fairly frequently. And, you know, in a perfect world, they have enough money and resources to protect themselves and the way they live.
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But this, you know, Daenerys Targaryen is not a real... character. It's played by an actress and that actress is real. And it is not helpful to her to have some young, confused boy thinking that they're in some sort of a romantic relationship together and that she's begging him not to have any other relationships, but to stay with her. Like they call them erotomaniacs.
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If they think they have a relationship with you when they don't, this is fostering sort of a real relationship with a fake version of you, which could really prove dangerous to the people who inhabit those roles.
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In any event, here's another soundbite from him talking about how everybody loves me now.
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We haven't figured it out. And I don't know that we can figure it out. And I mean, you've got people like Elon raising the alarm about this, about open AI, which is just getting billions of dollars invested in it. I mean, really, is there someone at the helm
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Well, how are they making sure now that it doesn't get used by somebody who's under 17 under their new program?
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is it is it his personality you tell me as a democrat what why are all of these you know that uh sundar of google went in there to see him um sergey brin went in there to see him you know the guy who created google um mark zuckerberg um jeff bays like all of and then not to mention all the bankers who have gone in to see they're all going in yeah
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So Tristan, Australia just passed a ban on social media. It's supposed to take effect in a year and it would affect, you know, all of it. It would affect Snapchat and TikTok and Instagram. And it's for under 16 year olds. Controversial because some people say, ah, free will, you know, like whatever. You should monitor your kid, be a better parent.
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And others say, this has just spun so far out of control that we're past that point. Would you like to see the same thing done in the United States? And what do you make of their ban?
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I have to ask you about this latest school shooting that we just had here because in Madison, Wisconsin yesterday, a 15-year-old girl, girl, I don't, I've never heard of it. I've heard of like trans girls or whatever, but 15-year-old, I don't know that she had any gender issues, none reportedly, but 15-year-old girl identified as the shooter in this Wisconsin school where she was,
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She shot... She wasn't going by her real name, but she was going by another girl's name. I know people are always wondering because a lot of times those kids are on drugs and so on and so forth. Then she took her own life. We are told that, by the way, a second grader called 911 to report the shooting, which is just so awful. And...
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what we're told is that this was a school that was kind of a refuge for children who had been bullied or struggled at other schools. And, um, that this girl in particular came, she was new to this private school this year. She was among those who came in need of a life change. Um, We don't know anything about her social media use, Tristan.
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I'm not asking you to speculate about her particular case, but obviously this is a very troubled 15-year-old. And I just think the change now, like young girls as school shooters, in my own speculation, I don't think it's unrelated.
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I mean, we're seeing the effects of this, right? From the kids who are celebrating the bin Laden letter, like you really have to hand it to Osama bin Laden. Boy, did he nail it in this piece justifying 9-11. Like what? There was just a poll that dropped today showing that
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18 to 29 year olds, 41% of them more than not think that the shooting by Luigi Mangione of CEO of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson was quote acceptable. 40% said, no, not acceptable. 41% said it is acceptable. There's something wrong with our young people.
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It's really sad as the mother of a 15 year old who was born in 2009, right at the beginning of this and two other children younger than that child. We've been in this too, just like probably most of my listeners. And we don't let our kids use social media, But we do let them like check up on the NFL games and like that can be addictive too, right? That's all, it's all kind of in there.
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What advice do you have Tristan to parents out there right now who have kids who are on phones and let's face it, most of them are on social media right now?
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Can I tell you something? So we're coming on Christmas and I mentioned to the audience yesterday that if they had any tips for Christmas gifts for a 15 and a 13 and 11 year old boy, girl, boy, I would love it.
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There was still a lot about one of his favorite targets, the fake news media, and the legacy media responded in predictable ways. Joining me now to discuss that and all the news today are pals from the morning meeting on Two Way. Mark Halperin, he's editor-in-chief and host of Two Way. Sean Spicer is host of The Sean Spicer Show on The First TV. And Dan Turrentine is a former Democratic strategist.
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And one of the things I've noticed in my constant searching, whether it's on Amazon or just on Google, if you search the normal, like best gifts for 15 year old or, you know, top gifts for 15 year old, Every time I do it, Tristan, multiple. And I would even say maybe most of the hits I get are anxiety relievers of some sort.
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Like the stress ball or the stress squishy or the stress electronic thing that you can put on your wrist. The anxiety reducing whatever. Like for 15-year-olds, we're not talking about 50-year-olds. 15. And I didn't type the numbers wrong. It's amazing. This wasn't the case even just a few years ago.
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To me, it's nuts because like in our house, thankfully, we're not an anxious people. I always say, if anything, I just want to take a nap. Most of my kids just want to take a nap. We're tired. We're on the other end of the spectrum, I think. But they're just assuming, I think, that everybody, all kids are stressed out by the lives that they live, whether it's the crazy school pressure.
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But I do think that there's no question there's a connection to the amount of devices and social media exposure these kids have and the girls in particular, as you point out. Anyway, what we need is more Tristan Harris and less character AI. And if you're not paying attention, you're losing this battle because they're just so smart and they're advancing the technology.
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And that weird little guy with that weird little voice behind character AI is working against us. So we have to fight him. And we have good warriors now. Just have to pay attention to our leaders. Tristan, thank you.
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Absolutely. God bless these poor families who lost their children. We're back tomorrow. We'll have Adam Carolla and we will have Justine Bateman, who's got a lot of thoughts on all these AI issues herself. Hope to see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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Yep. Better to go along and get along. Yeah, Tim Cook was another one who went in there this time around, the head of Apple. So, Sean, you gave the thumbs up when I mentioned the lawsuits that Trump has been filing. And this is not in his capacity as president. This is as private citizen Donald Trump.
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He's totally entitled to file whatever lawsuits he wants, and the courts will respond accordingly. But he did, in fact, file the one against the Des Moines Register that he threatened yesterday. This is based on Ann Seltzer's final poll of the 2024 election cycle showing him threatening I'm trying to remember whether he was down or up three or four points. What was it? He was down.
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And he wound up winning Iowa by 14. So it was completely wrong. And she's embarrassed and she retired. I mean, she retired on a loss, which is just awful. Like that's I'm sure not how she wanted to go out, but she did humiliate herself. Now I don't see the lawsuit unless, unless Trump has some proof that comes out that actually shows she did do it as election interference.
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Like there was some intentionality behind this alleged fraud to mislead people in order to change the vote. I have seen, and I have heard absolutely no proof that, to that effect. And I see none alleged by Trump. It's just a supposition that that's why she did it.
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But what do you make of that lawsuit and the lawsuit against the Pulitzer board, which we talked about, sorry, Nobel, which we talked about, um, the other day, was it Nobel or Pulitzer? Why am I forgetting all my facts? Yeah, it was a Pulitzer board that gave the New York Times the Pulitzer Prize for its Russia reporting. But they actually, we talked about this yesterday.
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The reason they did it is because the Pulitzer Prize made its own independent statement saying nothing came out after those reports to prove the facts therein untrue, which is potentially a defamatory statement. Anyway, what do you make of his legal strategy right now?
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Thursday. Christmas came early. It finally happened nearly a year after the shocking allegations against Fulton County DA Fannie Willis first came to light.
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I know you got to go. One of the mysteries is what ever happened to Susan? What happened to Susan? Right? Remember the ADA? She bailed after Terrence Bradley. Okay, it was Anna.
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Me too. Anna Cross. That's right. She was an ADA on the case. And once that guy, Terrence Bradley, took a stand and he should have just confirmed. Yes, Nathan did tell me they were having an affair was going on before she selected him, all this stuff. And instead he wiggled and wiggled and lied. Well, I think.
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And next thing you knew, you know, one of the DA's lawyers was never seen again because we lawyers don't really much like to be in the business of suborning perjury from a witness. Ashley Merchant, congratulations. Thank you. Total victory. Good for you. Thanks for having me. It's good to see everyone. Oh, you too. Mike Davis, right again. What's your reaction to the news?
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I'm sorry, I have no problem with that. None whatsoever. This woman would not let go of this case even when she knew she had done wrong. She definitely, in my opinion, took the stand and lied, committed perjury, notwithstanding the fact that she's an officer of the court and so did Nathan Wade. And she should be pursued. She should.
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Joining me now on the Fannie Willis News, attorney Ashley Merchant, partner at the Merchant Law Firm. She is the reason that the Fannie Willis disqualification happened. Ashley represents Trump co-defendant Michael Roman in that Atlanta, Georgia case and is the attorney who first shined a light on Fannie Willis' and Nathan Wade's inappropriate relationship.
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She should be pursued with the exact same vigor that she pursued Donald Trump. That is the only way these people who went after him with such venom will learn. I mean, Alvin Bragg and Fannie Willis in particular. Okay. here's the moment I remember. You guys know this. We met you shortly thereafter, Phil, when we started covering this and you were like, hey, I know a lot about this.
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This case, when it broke almost a year ago, was dismissed. I was like, this is bullshit. There's just some loser lawyer down in Atlanta who no one's ever heard of trying to question, you know, what is this salacious nonsense about an affiliate fair between these two? Like, come on, we're above it.
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And the New York Times' team over at The Daily had a discussion about that shortly after it did catch fire, as we all knew and predicted from the get-go it would. Listen.
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it was a hail Mary, you know, that really fell. It's like, no, no one really, no one saw it going anywhere.
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They were co-counsels, co-prosecutors in the case without disclosing it and engaged in all sorts of financial transactions that made it a compromise situation for both of them. We first spoke to Ashley on episode 748, which is well worth your time to go back and listen to now that this case has resurfaced. Also with me, Legal Eagle, Mike Davis, founder and president of the Article 3 Project.
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You know, Mike, as a practical matter, this is just so helpful to Trump because what he was alleged to have done in this case wasn't all necessarily in his role as official, you know, like official access president, thus falling within the Supreme Court ruling saying he has immunity for that. And, you know, the sort of scheme with the electors and some of the stuff after the fact.
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So it it might have been tougher to dump this case based on the Supreme Court than, you It was with the others. So it really, in some ways, did come down to this motion by Ashley Merchant, and she did it. And you know what? So the best part of it, because I think we'd be cheering it on either way, because this was just a bullshit, made-up claim, but...
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What's so great about it is Fannie Willis is guilty. This actually happened. We all believe that. There was so much testimony. Nathan Wade, he lied under oath in his interrogatory answers in his divorce proceeding where he claimed there was nobody that he'd taken the trips with. He had no receipts from any trips he'd taken with him. It was all lies. He'd been all over the world with Fannie.
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He was a proven liar. And this case came down to his testimony and Fannie's testimony. Neither was credible. They embarrassed themselves on a stand. And really what they showed was that they're not people of good character. And that was really at the heart of the problems behind them bringing this case to begin with.
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Yeah. Well, tell it to Joy Reid, because remember speaking about Fannie and some of these other Soros appointed DAs, many of whom got their jobs under the, oh, we need more, you know, DEI, whatever. Remember this from Joy Reid?
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He's been right about almost everything since we started having him on. It's been kind of actually eerie. And our friend Phil Holloway, Georgia-based legal analyst who we got to know through this case and host of the Inside the Law YouTube show. Don't wait, shop Cozy Earth now before their most loved gifts sell out this holiday season. What's your favorite Christmas memory?
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What do you make of that, Mike?
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It already cost them the presidency. It cost them the Senate. And it could cost them a lot more, depending on what the investigations into them, which are undoubted, will likely show. So, Phil, bottom line, you say this is there won't be another prosecuting. Like if the person has to volunteer to say, I'll do it. And you say there's there's no one who's going to do that in all likelihood.
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against the president-elect of the United States. One additional question, Phil. They filed an appeal, as Ashley mentioned. Already, Fannie's trying to appeal this up to the Georgia Supreme Court. Do they have to take it? Can they reject it? And if they do take it, how do you like the chances there?
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It was a two to one opinion. All three Republican governor appointed, although different Republican governors. One person dissented, who was a Brian Kemp appointee, saying, I think this really is the trial judge's call and that we really don't have the authority to overrule him. The other two said, no, an abuse of discretion is reviewable by an appellate court.
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And we think this one was so egregious that this judge did abuse his discretion by not disqualifying her. And it's our obligation to protect the the law and the system. And this was one of those appearances of impropriety, appearances, not actual, but appearance of impropriety that is so great as to demand her DQ. Such a great result. Guys, thank you.
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I'm sure we'll have much more to discuss over the next four years, but what a great way to go into the Christmas season. Great to see you.
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Yeah, you too. You too. Merry Christmas. Wow. What a thing, you guys, right? We were all together. I feel like we went through this whole thing together. Nobody else was even covering this. Remember the day Phil came on and we had all the text messages between Ashley and Terrence Bradley and read them all on the air. I was like... Such, such a great story.
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That was officially not one of the books that Fannie Willis was reading when she was pursuing Donald Trump and getting her office psyched up to get him. VDH, welcome back to the show. Wow. I mean, it's just a complete victory for Trump on this lawfare, not to mention politically, but on this lawfare in particular.
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That's the thing. So we played a sound bit of Joy Reid, like you go, my DEIs, you know, like, I don't know if you heard that, but it's, the problem is not Fannie Willis's race. It's that she was promoted to this role, probably in part because of her race and her gender, right? Because the left, leftist party likes to celebrate those things over merit.
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She was not smart enough or competent enough for the job, which this case has proven. She wasn't ready to try this RICO case against Trump and these others. And by the way, no one smart would have engaged in this unethical behavior and then taken the witness stand and clearly, in my opinion, lied about it under oath.
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So the problem is not the election or the elevation of people of color or of women in particular. It's that if you lower the standards of merit and accomplishment and seriousness to promote people like that, you get what you get and you can't get upset. As we say to our toddlers, this is what you're going to wind up with.
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Somebody who can't get it done, who makes stupid decisions that foil the case for you.
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Dean Obadala, former attorney, he's now at SiriusXM hosting a show, but was, I know, I think from MSNBC, contributor to the Daily Beast. He tweets out as follows, or no, it wasn't a tweet. It was an op-ed that he sent out back in, well, a year ago, November. Georgia appeals court disqualifies... Wait a minute. This is today. Sorry. It's the earlier he wrote an op-ed.
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He tweeted out today, Georgia appeals court disqualifies Fulton County DA Fannie Willis from prosecuting Trump. The system is working exactly as designed to protect wealthy white men from being held accountable. Is that what happened here?
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Welcome back, all three of you, to the show. Thanks so much.
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That's right. That was so offensive. And Fannie Willis, too, played the race card openly in this case, which I also think is repulsive to fair minded black Americans who are sick and tired of hearing their race used as a weapon to justify bad behavior. by in this case, a black woman and a black man. They see right through this too. They know this is BS.
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When she got in trouble, this came out, Ashley filed her motion. It was clear she'd been having an affair with the special prosecutor she brought in who was then enhancing her lifestyle lavishly by flying her all over the world and the hotels and so on. And rather than saying that was dumb, I shouldn't have done that.
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And I understand, you know what, for the sake of the case, I'm going to disqualify myself and another prosecutor can take this. She didn't do it. What'd she do? She went out and played the race card saying, oh, why'd they only come after Nathan Wade? I brought in two other prosecutors who they have no issue with. Well, you're not stooping the other two. Remember this? This was,
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All right. We've got to start with you, Ashley. Congratulations. Thank you. You must be very happy and probably not surprised.
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It was January 2024. Listen.
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A Georgia appeals court has officially disqualified her from the Trump election interference case. It happened You guys, we were all together when this first broke. Remember how the mainstream absolutely crapped on the story as a nothing burger? Well, she's gone. She's gone. She's done. It's over for her and her entire office, and it's official.
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You know, Victor, I've been listening to you and reading you, and you've captured something that I think we were feeling but maybe hadn't given voice to, which is part of what's happening right now, I think, in the groundswell of support behind Trump is Americans love a comeback. They love it. But they also love it when it's been like the most epic historic pile on or at least one of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I can't think of one that's worse that we've ever seen against a presidential candidate and a guy who served as president in the nation's history. I mean, Trump got it from all angles, including assassination attempts. But the lawfare, ironically, would prove critical, I think, to his rising again, to the respect and the admiration of a lot of people toward him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was a colossal, colossal mistake for them to do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The, yeah, the shift in what used to be considered aggressive, like it's a little aggressive to wear your MAGA hat back in 16. I had so many people say that to, you've got kids, including my own, openly wanting Trump t-shirts and they'll wear them wherever they want to. Without shame, they'll proudly wear them. They already wore MAGA hats. I mean, it's just, there's been something remarkable.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
There's absolutely no shame around it now. People are proud. It's actually cool. And it's all, honestly, it's due to, well, I guess two things, Trump and the Democrats' tactics against him. But how he handled them has been an example in how to fight. Stand by, Victor Moore, right after this quick break.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Very happy. So what does it mean? Can you give a quick 411 for the non-lawyer audience of what does this mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Now, as Kamala Harris has lost and no one's done the in-depth think piece other than us on how problematic she was, she was forget the team around her and their decision making. Yes, that that, too. But she it's been hands off of her. We now get the press turning on Joe Biden. So it's like now they're getting really honest about Joe Biden. OK, yes, fine. But still nothing on her pod.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Save America going after Biden and The Wall Street Journal. Yes, they went after him before, but they have done yet another relatively in-depth piece on his failing mental acuity. By the way, he's still president. Just for those of you keeping track at home. on how he cabinet members were not able to speak to him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They just kept getting stiff armed and came to understand speaking to the president was just not a possibility on how all of his aides ran cover for him and acted more like they were the president on how, uh, they had to bring in a voice coach that they got through Jeffrey Katzenberg. Um,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
to help him try to sound more robust on how in 2020, this is 2020, not 2024, Jill Biden was out there seeing more counties in Iowa, far more than Joe Biden could or was able to see to the point where his aides had to chastise hers to say, stop telling people that. It doesn't make us look good. On and on it goes. And Charles C.W.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Cook raises a good point over at National Review today saying, you know, where's the accountability? Forget the press and Morning Joe, best Joe Biden ever for Kamala Harris, who peddled this lie just as much as anyone and yet remains in an article every other day as the front runner for the 2028 presidential nomination on the Dem side.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Yeah. The Wall Street Journal did do an article on Biden's mental acuity before the election, before his implosion, I should say. And so but this one goes more in depth. And what's interesting is now more and more people are talking right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
People on the inside of the administration are ready to to own up to the fact that he couldn't speak with cabinet members and Representative Adam Smith, a Democrat, moderate Democrat in Washington. He's been on the show the He's on the record here saying he sought to talk to Biden to share his insights about Afghanistan and couldn't get on the phone with him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
You know, Ron Klain, his then White House chief of staff, was running interference with everybody. Just like Trump, they had to keep all negative news out of Biden's press briefings. Except during Trump, you saw that story everywhere. Trump's so thin skinned, he can't read bad polls. He can't read negative coverage, which is all the coverage for Trump. Same for Biden.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
They reveal in this report that they had to pull news clips and they had to make sure that it excluded negative stories. And on speaking of the Robert, her investigation into Joe Biden's retention of classified documents, unlike Trump, from when he was not in a position to have them at his home or anywhere. Right. It was a senator. You're supposed to review them in a skiff, a secure room.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You can't take them outside of the office, which he did. Anyway, they said that they took these press sessions with him and that they took three hours a day for a week. But Joe Biden couldn't recall the lines that his team had previously discussed with him. And then it came out that in that her interview, he couldn't remember when his son Bo died. And Robert Hurst said, I can't prosecute this guy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. That's what a jury will see. And here's what Kamala Harris said after that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Victor, those lies cost the Democrats the White House. They cost them. Will there be no accountability for her?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Yeah, it's genuinely terrifying. Well, Joe Biden also came close to retaining the presidency and serving a second term. If he hadn't had that meltdown, those senior moments at that June debate, who knows what would have happened. He gave an interview. Today, this is to the Midas Touch guy, which is a popular left-wing podcast.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And would you listen to him talk about the goals he had coming into office and how he did SOP 31?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
His approval rating right now is 39. There's another poll having him at 34. He's going down day to day. I don't know if people are forgetting. They think he's gone already, but it's going down right now. Trump is going up. Trump's approval rating right now, his favorability rating, is at 49%, which is amazing. We haven't seen those kinds of numbers for Trump. This time in 2016, it was at 42%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Georgia Supreme Court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Here is Fannie Willis trying to make this case, because it resulted in a hearing, of course, at which she embarrassed herself, about you and your alleged lies. Watch this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
And he had a 53 percent unfavorable. Right now it's 47 percent unfavorable. So Trump's unfavorables have shrunk considerably. His favorability has gone up considerably. And he is between 10 and 15 points higher than Joe Biden in favorability. How how does Hitler fascist dictator on day one do that, Victor?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
The God complex of Anthony Fauci. They played right into that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
They came in. They forgot that he was the reason they had those jobs, that they had those positions. They had him to thank for them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
The TDS just completely blinded them. They could never get their eyes clear again. And that's why all their predictions were wrong. Their opinions were wrong. They've completely discredited themselves. Back on team Biden, I did want to play you this just on the subject of his infirmity, because I know most of the media want to just
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
move on, forget it, nevermind that massive fraud we perpetrated on America. But it is interesting to go back to Pod Save America to hear those guys, those are Obama guys, now talking about it. And there's one guy, Favreau, another guy, Lovett, and they're talking about how Biden is gone. Like, where is he? He is the incredibly, incredible shrinking president right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
I mean, I'm fine with it because I definitely don't want to see her elevated. I really did think he should go, but now we're so close to the end. Just, that's fine. As long as he stays alive through January 20th, I'm okay with it. But it really does feel more like Trump is president, a point they were making as well. Listen to Sat18.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Just one more for you. Oh, you like that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Well, that's not how you really the trial court saw it or the appellate court saw it. And, you know, you tell me whether you think you're going to be getting an apology now from Fannie Willis for publicly accusing you of being a liar.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Meanwhile, Joe Biden seems to be actively doing his best to undermine the. the Trump agenda that was voted for by our democratic Republic, you know, democracy, um, they wanted among other things, the wall, which Trump of course ran on and mentioned many times he's selling off the border part, the border wall, what's left of it. for parts right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Elon and Trump have been saying one of the things that they want to do is get federal workers back into the office. They're saying either that or we should sell all these federal buildings because they're costing us billions of dollars a year and nobody's working. These federal government employees have cut these deals where they get to work from home like three, four, sometimes five days a week.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
and have all sorts of ways of making it look like they're on their computer when they're not really on their computer and absolutely no accountability for whether they're actually working for the two and $300,000 a year that some of them are getting. And now he's also, so he signed this long-term Biden deal with social security workers so that they can continue working from home through 2029.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
And he's hiring all these DEI hires for roles. This is reported by the Daily Wire the other day, for roles to head up, you know, DEI investigations and agencies and so on that Trump's undoubtedly not even going to pursue. Now he can undo that last one a little bit more easily than he can undo the first two.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
But Trump was saying on the wall parts, this is going to cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. Why don't we own them? You know, Biden's team says, oh, they're worthless. Well, why don't you let Trump be the judge of that? If they are, he'll sell them off. Don't start selling off the border wall like you've been doing for the past four years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
They're doing what they can to sabotage his presidency.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Not to mention what they did, he and his wife, to little Navy Biden, putting up the stockings of all the other grandchildren, but not hers, and having nothing to do with her, not even acknowledging her existence.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Right. And unity. He did a great job. Heck of a job, Brownie. All right. Stand by because there is an update in the George Stephanopoulos debacle over at ABC News. We discussed this at length the other day on what were the producers saying in his ear? You know, and I talked about how my producers, when I say something wrong, they save me often. They'll say, no, it was this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
And sometimes I correct myself. Sometimes they correct me. But the point is, we do our best to bring you guys correct information. And one of the questions we asked was when he was doing that disaster segment that just cost ABC News 16 million dollars, were his producers saying, George, not rape? No, Trump wasn't found liable for rape.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Were they trying to help him avoid this defamation suit or were they as dumb and reckless as he was? Well, it appears we have the answer. That's next. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show on Sirius XM. It's your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal, and cultural figures today.
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The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
The news breaking this morning in the New York Post that, according to them, George Stephanopoulos was warned by his executive producer not to use the word rape in describing what a jury had found Trump civilly liable for. That his producer had said to him, it was not rape, don't call it rape. And it appears he ignored that advice. Now, here's what's I mean, this is very interesting to me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
It just shows the depths of hatred like Fannie Willis that George Stephanopoulos has for Trump. They're their flagship anchor. I mean, he and David Muir, whom we saw all saw his performance at the debate, are the two main guys over there. And so here's what The Post reports in an exclusive article.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Okay, Stephanopoulos was repeatedly told by his executive producer not to use the word rape before going on air, but the ABC News anchor ignored the warning. This week's producer, because he said this on his Sunday show, said, don't use the word rape, that's in quotes, before the segment started, a network source told the Post. The EP said it, quote, so many times.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
A second source at the show, listen to this, confirmed via a text message viewed by the post that Stephanopoulos was warned not to say rape. So this post has seen some sort of text message in which a second source somehow confirms that George was told not to say rape. Could it be they saw a text message to George?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
you know, confirming it or could they, could the EP, somebody wrote down understanding this was problematic that they had made a record. They told George not to do this. He did it. And now you've got an ABC spokesperson saying to CNN, Oh, that's not true. It's absolutely not true that he was warned. Well, These spokespeople lie through their teeth all the time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
You can't believe one word any of them say at Fox, at NBC, and at ABC. Trust me, not to mention CNN. But it's very interesting to me that they're saying they've got it confirmed by two separate sources inside ABC that he was told. And honestly, Victor, if that's true, I don't want to hear one more word from anybody about Why did ABC News settle? You know, people think they had a shot at winning.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
First of all, they didn't because it's very clear he wasn't found civilly liable for rape. But second of all, you've got the EP saying, I told him not to do it. And he insisted on doing it 10 times in one segment. What do you make of it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
I think you're good. You don't need a resolution. You've already gotten a decision that declares effectively what you said was true and it was deeply problematic. Phil Holloway, you said it from the beginning as well, that this absolutely is untoward behavior and that you can't have, just so people are reminded of what the controversy was, you can't have the sitting D.A.,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Another nail in the lawfare coffin against now President-elect Donald Trump. The court says the indictment against the President-elect and his co-defendants still stands. That's not a surprise. They took a shot, tried to get it dumped along with her, but no one really put much stock in that. But the ruling leaves open the question of... Who the hell is going to take over the case, if anyone?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
That's really true because look at the David Muir and Lindsay Davis suffered absolutely no consequences as a result of that disastrous debate. Martha Raddatz of ABC is the one who was like, The Venezuelan gangs have only invaded a couple of apartment buildings. No problem. She's fine with them. This is a Bob Iger problem. Obviously, the man who's transing Disney right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
with a financial incentive to make the case go on, not because of her own job, she has that no matter what, but because she's having an affair with a special prosecutor she brought in who does get paid based on how long the case goes on. He's getting money from the county if it goes on longer. If it ends, he doesn't. And he was taking her all over the world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
No, but it was very clear. And that, that was based on his defamation because he continued to say, no, she's a nut case that it was 5 million for the alleged sexual assault. But here's, what's crazy. Like it's, It's crystal clear that the jury said no on rape. They said no. They said yes on sexual abuse. And yet here's what you get there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Here's Joy Reid, you know, the Albert Einstein of MSNBC weighing in with her legal opinion. SOT 23.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
If she doesn't point out, he said 10 times that a jury found him civilly liable for rape, for rape, for rape. And I'm looking at the jury form right here. Question number one. Did Ms. Carroll prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll? No. Question two, that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll. No. Yes, it's right there. Black and white. It is not imprecise.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
It is what's the word? Oh, yeah. Wrong. And actually defamatory when it's repeated another nine times on top of that with the executive, the producer of the show saying, George, stop that. It's wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
I said, after that case, I was ready to have an affair with Nathan Wade. I would love to see Belize. He takes you everywhere. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
What do you think is going to happen with Hegseth, RFKJ and Tulsi?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
You know, it's good, Victor. I mean, we talked about this on the show the other day. The even Trump is saying I'm not into banning. I'm not talking about banning vaccines, but I do think we should look into them. That's all. And then that story about the polio vaccine was, of course, misrepresented his lawyer personally. pushed to question one strain.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
I think there are eight total of the polio vaccine. It's just one. That's it. Even the lawyer for RFKJ never pushed to ban the polio vaccine, and neither did RFKJ. And Trump is already on record saying, we're not banning the polio vaccine. But you're right. His belly is exposed on the vaccines because that really upsets the left.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Now, I got to run because we're going to we're going to get cut off by the computer. And I don't want to be too unceremonious to you, my friend. But thank you. Thanks so much for being here. And Victor, Merry Christmas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Lots of love. Thanks for everything this year. Tomorrow, before we go, the two B's, Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Wow. I mean, that's just huge. I'm going to bring Mike in too in a second, but Ashley's got to leave in a minute. So I want to go back to you, Ashley. Did you really believe when you filed this thing initially that it could effectively potentially end the whole case?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
If you're keeping tabs, the Jack Smith cases have been dismissed without prejudice. And in the New York documents case, Judge Mershon denied President-elect Trump's bid to dismiss his conviction on the ground of presidential immunity, which was an absolute mistake. That will be one of the many successful grounds of appeal for Mr. Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
Yes. I mean, it could have been that she was seeing the world thanks to Nathan Wade's additional money. And it could have been hatred of Donald Trump. Either way, it's inappropriate. Hatred toward the defendant is not an appropriate motivator for a DA. She's supposed to just seek justice. What was your what was your client's reaction when you told him the news?
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Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
I feel like president Trump owes him a solid. If he hadn't filed that motion, I mean, you, you were onto this when nobody else was onto this. It took a local lawyer with local connections. I mentioned Terrence Bradley because he was in practice with Nathan Wade and they had been very close and he knew what was going on between the two of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
And before he realized that this would all blow up, he told you about it. It brings with he, with Bradley and Wade didn't end well. So he, he was fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Fani Willis DQ'ed in Georgia, and Delusional Biden's Cognitive Decline, with VDH, Ashleigh Merchant, Mike Davis, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 970
ratting out his friend and then when he took the stand speaking of odor of mendacity he just pretended he knew nothing to the point where the trial court was like i put absolutely no faith in a word that man said but that's how transparent you were you were like here's my entire phone here i'll give you my whole phone to the prosecuting attorney you can look at every single text message i have nothing to hide but still you got accused of lying you didn't lie you told the truth and
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Our friend Danny McCarthy expects Trump will not be sentenced even without a reversal while he's president. Unprecedented situation. But that that that trial judge in that case made so many material errors that things getting reversed when it goes up. But for now, we'll just let it stay in. Purgatory, as they're holding the proceedings, as Trump assumes the presidency.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's AM special episode. Today we're going to discuss the curious case of Carlos Watson. This holiday season, millions of families across America will rely on credit card rewards to visit their loved ones.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Okay, so he decided that it was all Samir Rao's fault and it wasn't Carlos Watson at all. Now I'm going to jump ahead because ultimately, Carlos Watson... and Samir Rao, and a third executive were charged by the feds for committing a massive fraud on their investors. And there's news in the case, which is why we are bringing the curious case of Carlos Watson to you today.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
I was still in my sitting on the couch, figuring things out stage. And he had a booker reach out to me and asked me whether I wanted to go on his show. And I never heard of his show. Like, what's his show? It's on YouTube. Oh, it's exploding. It's big. You know, you, you should, you should go on. So I did what I always do in these situations.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And I will get to all that in due time. But I want to just flash forward for a moment to the prosecution's uh, elicitation of what happened in, um, that call with the YouTube executive. Okay. This is what the prosecutors told the jury actually happened. Cause you heard there, Carlos Watson saying it was Samir, very sad, you know, wasn't me. It's, it's very unfortunate.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Here is the source here, the DOJ. Uh, and, and, um, this is in the trial. There was an eight week trial of Carlos this past summer from approximately, uh,
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
November 2020 through February 2021, Watson and his co-conspirators attempted to induce Goldman Sachs to invest up to $45 million in Aussie by means of material misrepresentations and omissions regarding Aussie's historical and projected financial results, debts, and business relationships.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Had the full $45 million investment occurred as intended, $6 million of it would have been paid to Carlos Watson personally. He was trying to get Goldman to invest $45 million and $6 million of it was going to go into his back pocket. As part of its due diligence, Goldman Sachs executive asked Watson and Rao to arrange a meeting with someone from YouTube.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Watson and his co-conspirators claimed the online video service had paid Ozzy nearly $6 million in licensing revenue for the Carlos Watson show. This was another misrepresentation. Ozzy was never paid by YouTube for Ozzy content. Yet another lie.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
They looked at Goldman Sachs, these bankers, and said, not only are we going to put you in touch with the YouTube executive, but that we have been paid $6 million by YouTube for licensing our amazing show. YouTube doesn't pay two cents to license this amazing show. And trust me, I will take it. They want to pay me $6 million to license my show. Great.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Anywho, not what happened in my case or in his, the difference being I never represented to investment bankers that it did in an, in an effort to induce a $45 million investment. Okay. They go on to say, um,
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Okay, because Ozzy did not, in fact, have any business relationship whatsoever with YouTube, Watson and Rao agreed that Rao would impersonate a media executive at YouTube in communications with Goldman Sachs.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
On January 28th, 2021, Rao, with Watson's agreement, created a fake email address in the name of the media executive, that's Alex Piper again, which he used to correspond with representatives of Goldman Sachs.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
On February 2nd, 2021, Rao had a phone call with employees of Goldman Sachs during which he impersonated said media executive from YouTube using a voice alteration application that he downloaded onto his cellular telephone to mask his voice during the call. Pay attention here.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
During the call, Watson was in the same room as Rao and texted Rao instructions about what to say and what not to say on the call. What to say? Can we just can we rerun Aaron Ross Sorkin? He was sitting there telling him exactly what to say as the fake YouTube executive. And now listen to Carlos Watson's explanation again to Andrew Ross Sorkin.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And I had Abby, my assistant look into whether this is a real person with a real show. And is this something I should consider? And this is a montage of people he's had on his shows over the years. But this is a sampling that represents what we found when we started looking into who is Carlos Watson and who does he typically interview? Let's play SOT50.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Every word of that was a lie. You did know. You were there. We figured it out. You did it. There's nothing to figure out. You were part of it. I immediately called back Goldman. It's wrong. It's heartbreaking. I mean, it is wrong. It's not heartbreaking to you. Maybe that you got caught and now your whole fraudulent empire is crumbling. But that's just a taste of how it went.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And I must say, though I am not a fan personally of that anchor, he did a very good job in that interview. He, as I mentioned, also went on with Craig Melvin over on the Today Show and said, Ozzy is restarting. We're opening back up. Like seconds after they were shut down because all the employees understood that it was a fraud. And here's how he described it. It's a quick soundbite. Listen here.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
No, no, actually. And they did try to reopen. That would not last. You will not be surprised to hear. Now, Um, as I mentioned, he was ultimately charged. The feds did step in and they charged him and his two co-conspirators with, um, here's the charges against Carlos.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
One count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, which is when you get somebody to fraudulently transfer money to you, um, and aggravated identity theft, um, In connection with a years-long scheme to defraud investors and lenders to Ozzy of tens of millions of dollars. Tens of millions. They estimated, actually former COO Samir Rao testified at Carlos' trial.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
He estimated that investors poured between $75 million and $100 million into the company. Those investments wound up worth zero. Zero. Because there was no there there. There were almost no YouTube viewers. There was no groundswell of support behind Carlos Watson's Aussie media.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
He was posting fake YouTube numbers where he claimed to have, for example, a million views on a video, and those videos would have fewer than 100 comments. Now, if you get a million views on a video on YouTube, you don't have a hundred comments. I went just to look at, for an example, some of ours. One video we posted has 4 million views. It has 177,000 comments. One video has 3.5 million viewers.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
It has 100,000 comments. you don't post a million dollar or one that gets a million views and have under, you know, a thousand comments, a couple, a fewer than a hundred comments on it. That's a tell.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And it appears they were doing some sort of a scheme where their videos would pop up in the background of some site you were visiting and you wouldn't even know it was running and it would count as a view, but it explains the total lack of engagement by the audience because they're not even watching it. And that's why nobody knew who Carlos Watson was.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
but he was using this scheme to go to people like Bill Gates and yours truly and say, hey, I have this big YouTube presence, please come on my show. Then the more of us who said yes, the more he'd use our names to go get other big name guests and so on and so forth. Okay, but that is not all that happened inside of his company. Listen to this.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
The DOJ, okay, talks about in December of 2019, this also came up in trial, Watson and his co-conspirators, hold on, okay, attempted to induce a bank to lend Aussie money. This is before 2019. The YouTube thing.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Based on misrepresentations and omissions about Ozzy's business, Watson and his co-conspirators sought to secure the loan with anticipated revenues from a second season of an Ozzy TV show. However, the contract between Ozzy and the show's cable network for the second season of the show was still under negotiation.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Courthouse News reports that the channel was the Oprah Winfrey Network and the show was, quote, "'Black women own the conversation' in which Watson was the host." The DOJ alleges that to induce the bank to make this loan sooner, Watson directed Ozzie's then chief financial officer, the CFO, Tripti Thakur,
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
to send the bank a fake signed contract between Ozzy and the cable network, which again, we're assuming is own, purporting to be signing him up for the second season. So here again, he's going to a bank, trying to get an investment, claiming he had a deal that he did not have. But this CFO, unlike his COO, Sumir, the CFO, Tripty Thacker, refused to do it.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
He wanted her to come up with a fake signed contract showing he had this deal secured. And she said no. When she said no, Samir, with Carlos Watson's approval, reading here the allegations by the DOJ, sent the fake contract to the bank, copying everything. Thacker. So in other words, the woman, the CFO said, I'm not doing that shit. And Samir and Carlos were like, we don't need her.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
So they drafted up the fake contract and sent it along and had the temerity, the stupidity to CC the CFO who had just said, I'm not doing that. Going back to the DOJ's allegation later that day, Tripti Thakur emailed Watson and Rao to say she was resigning effective immediately. She explained, quote, this is illegal. This is fraud.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Bill Gates.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Matt Damon.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
This is forging someone's signature with the intent of getting an advance from a publicly traded bank. She continued to be crystal clear. What you see as a measured risk, I see as a felony.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
In subsequent months, Watson and his co-conspirators, again here quoting from the DOJ, continue to attempt to induce the bank to lend Aussie several million dollars based on misrepresentations and omissions, including regarding the expected revenue from the second season of the Aussie TV show. During these discussions, the bank requested to speak to a representative of the cable network.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
To conceal the lies about Ozzy's relationship with the cable network and the status in terms of their agreements, Rao, with Watson's approval, created a fake email address in the name of an actual executive of the cable network, again, which we think is own, which Rao used to impersonate the executive and communicate with the bank about the potential loan. This is just unbelievable.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
This is not like a one-off. It's not like a momentary lapse of ethics. It's like a serial fraud that these two were engaged in. Okay, and then there's another piece that was brought up about the way they lured in this guy, Brad Bessie. who they wanted to be an executive producer at Ozzy.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And what they told this guy who had been the EP of Entertainment Tonight was, we're going to launch, you're going to be the executive producer of Carlos's new show. It's going to go on A&E. We're hot. It's a hot property. This is June of 2020. And they lure this guy in, Brad Bessie, and he's like, it's on, great. I'm going to be the EP.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
I am hired as the EP of The Carlos Watson Show, a daily half-hour interview program produced by Ozzy, hosted by Watson, and it's going to be in primetime on A&E. That's what Samir Rao told him. Okay, I think you already know where this is going. Mr. Bessie said he had no contact with A&E executives during the making of the show. They were making it.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And when he asked Mr. Watson and Mr. Rao about it, they said the executives wanted to talk only to them. And when Mr. Bessie said he knew several A&E executives and would be happy to reach out to them, they told him, maybe not.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Another warning sign, Mr. Bessie said, was that one of the other producers pointed out that A&E had already scheduled the show Hoarders for the very time slot that was supposedly meant for the Carlos Watson show. Toward the end of July of 2020, Mr. Bessie got in touch himself with an A&E executive to confirm that the channel would indeed broadcast the Carlos Watson show.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Okay. So, you know, Bill Gates, big name, tough guest to book. There are a lot of big names in there. And we were told by Carlos's producers what the YouTube traffic was, what the numbers were. And, you know, you sort of just want to make sure that this is up to your level, right? You don't want to go on a show with four viewers. So I said yes. And I did go on Carlos's show a couple of times.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
That is when he learned it would not appear on A&E, he said. Mr. Bessie said he resigned when he learned that he'd been lied to. And in a farewell email to Watson and Rao, which he shared with the New York Times, he wrote... you are playing a dangerous game with the truth. The consequences of offering an A&E show to guests when we don't have one to offer are catastrophic for Ozzy and for me.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
This is just absolutely incredible. So all of this comes to a head. this past summer when the U S attorney, well, first the U S attorney charged him, which happened prior to this summer. And then there was a trial. Here's the U S attorney for the Eastern district of New York, which is Brooklyn announcing the conviction of Carlos Watson. Take a listen.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
They alleged at trial that they, by the way, they have a lot of sophisticated investors in Aussie too. Lorraine Powell jobs, of course, because she's never seen a woke project that she doesn't like. Carlos wasn't woke on the air, but he was a black man launching a media company that was supposed to be more centrist in its approach. And he's seeking out for money in 2020, June of 2020 and so on.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
When it was post George Floyd, I mean, people were dying to give Carlos money. So in any event, you had at the trial, people like Alex Piper of YouTube testify, the head of Google, Sundar Pichai, can't remember, I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. I've only ever seen his last name written.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
they testified for the government saying they never had deals with Ozzy with whom, you know, Carlos was claiming he did have deals and, um, they never considered buying Ozzy at any price, contrary to Watson's claims to investors. He had said like Google had considered buying and so on. So, um,
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
The prosecutor said that Watson had also assured investors that Ozzie was thriving, even as its cash reserves sank to $19,000 at one point, and it was struggling to pay rent wages and other basic expenses, but they still wanted to line their own pockets. All right. So all of this goes down, Carlos gets convicted and now he was facing prison time, my friends, prison time of, uh,
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
The minimum was two years and the maximum was 29, 29. He wanted the minimum, of course, and the government wanted something like 19 years, I think. And the sentencing just happened just prior to the sentencing. which was, was it, what was the actual date of the sentencing, sentencing, trying to find out. But it was, it was very recent.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Just prior to the sentencing, guess who, guess who reached out? It was just this past Monday. Guess who reached out to the MK show? Carlos Watson through his PR person. Yeah, yeah. By the way, Sumir, whatever, and another person at Ozzy, they're also facing charges, and they testified against Carlos at trial, and we'll see how things go out.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
They'll probably do better than he's doing because they struck a deal. Anyway, Carlos said he wanted to come on the show in advance of his sentencing, which we found very interesting. I mean, I couldn't believe my ears. I was like, is he really going to come on here? I mean, he knows I'm a lawyer. He knows I'm not going to give him a pass. We've covered this before since he's gotten in trouble.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Here is one example, SOP 51.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And we prepared. We got ready. We had all the research pulled and so on and so forth. And the day of the interview, they canceled. to the surprise of no one on our team. And then like a day or two later, he did pop up on a podcast, one you've never heard of called Way Up with Angela Yee. And I will give you a feel for how That went, okay, hold on.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
I can't say, I'm looking at my sought list, but what I want here is the soundbite in which he talks about being a black man and what's happening to him.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
I started it because I wanted to be able to talk about the news in an unbridled way. I feel like more and more we're telling people they have to be quiet or they have to use certain words or not use certain words or don't touch that subject. Or if you touch it, you have to talk about it this way. And... I don't like it.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Oh, my God. He's trying to claim they're after him because he's black. This is a desperate man. That nonsense about Ben Smith. He's got to be in his bonnet about Ben Smith, who did this reporting for The Times. You know, was it BuzzFeed? Then went to The Times and now has launched Semaphore.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Trying to claim that somehow he had a personal beef against Carlos because like at one point, BuzzFeed tried to buy Carlos and he wouldn't sell. Meanwhile, Ben Smith had been on my show and we interviewed Ben about this. And here's what he said just for the record on it. Salt 62.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And that was it. So Ben Smith has nothing to do with this. I don't know why I decided to blame Ben Smith. And Ben Smith's dad is a judge on New York State's highest court. This is a federal trial. And Ben Smith's dad had absolutely nothing to do with it. I do not know how he took this turn. But you heard that sound bite.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
If I were white and running a media company that was healthy and hired people and someone in Brooklyn tried to prosecute me, And then he takes a dodge. It's like you, Angela, you know, you you're in Brooklyn and somebody tries to prosecute you in some other jurisdiction like Utah. I don't live in Brooklyn. I never had an office there. I didn't have nothing to do with that except Ben Smith.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Why is it? Can we just run it again? Can you run that soundbite again?
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
I don't like cancel culture and I don't like false parameters being put around speech. I'm almost a First Amendment absolutist. And I'm worried about what's happening to the country along these lines. So I think it's worth fighting for. And I wanted a forum that I would control so that I would not be cancelable. Right on. Still feel that way.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
All right. So just first of all. I didn't have nothing to do with that. Okay, because he's going on a show hosted by a black woman playing the race card. This Harvard and Stanford Law graduate is now, I had nothing. I had nothing to do with that. Okay, Carlos, who do you think you're fooling? You know, the New York Times would be saying, oh, he's just code switching like Kamala.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
We're going to win. We're going to win. OK, we hear you talk every day. We know you don't talk like that. Stop it. Ridiculous. But he gets in front of a presumably mostly black audience and he tries to play the race card and sound like that. OK, sure. If we keep allowing them to snuff out black excellence, I promise you it won't stop with me. What part was the black excellence?
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Was it the way Samir impersonated Alex Piper with voice alteration technology? Is that, because I think that might be Indian excellence. I'm not sure. I haven't looked into Samir, but it sounds like an Indian name. I'm not sure. I know you were pulling it. Was the black excellence you Cyrano de Bergiac-ing it from your phone texting Samir?
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
While he did it, is that what you mean by black excellence? Because that's the kind of thing we actually do want to snuff out. Not so much your straight news interviews, which had you just tried harder, Carlos, might have eventually turned into something. But you decided to shortchange it.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
You decided to cheat your way to the top rather than doing the long, hard slog that all of us in this lane have to do. And let me tell you, I know of what I speak. Year one on this show, when I went on the Carlos Watson show, when I had Carlos on this show, it was just like that. It was hard. It was hard. You check the downloads. It builds in inches, not miles.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
You know, it doesn't, it's not like one day you tune in and you've got millions of subscribers, not at all. It takes years and it takes a lot of elbow grease and it takes a lot of patience. And I've told you before what I kept saying to my team, all throughout that lean period was just keep rowing, just keep rowing.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
And then eventually, hopefully, if you have a good product, you hit smooth sailing, right? And things start coming your way and you catch a great gust of wind. Carlos Watson was full of wind and decided to shortchange everything and behave in a criminally fraudulent manner. And And it had nothing to do with snuffing out black excellence that he got criminally charged for his crimes.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
Nothing whatsoever. By the way, there was a black prosecutor you heard announcing his conviction. As I said, really, really focused on... his color now. So, um, at sentencing, he did the same thing when he got, um, up in front of the judge. This was once again, a big thing that he tried to play about the race card.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
So Carlos, let me promote my podcast that you're listening to right now in its infancy on his show. And we became friendly. I never saw him socially, but he had me on a few times. And then eventually I had him on my baby podcast, as I pointed out. And it was kind of interesting. I mean, I remember what I was interested in getting Carlos's bio and it was tough.
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Megyn Kelly Details the Curious Case of Carlos Watson, and Shocking Downfall of the Disgraced Media Mogul | Ep. 969
He told the judge that he was a target of selective prosecution as a black entrepreneur in Silicon Valley, where African-American executives have been disproportionately few. And he called the case quote, a modern lynching. a modern lynching. I made mistakes. I'm very, very sorry that people are hurt, myself included, like a true narcissist. Back to me, I'm sad, but I don't think it's fair.
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So he was sentenced on just this past, like last Monday, December 16th, by United States District Judge Eric Comitee. And he was sentenced to 116 months in prison, almost 10 years. He was sentenced to almost 10 years in prison, nine years and eight months. Holy shit. I'm sorry. I just can't believe that that guy with the YouTube and Samir and Abby and Ozzy Fest and all like he's going to jail.
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well, sentenced for nine plus. He's probably going to serve around six, to be perfectly honest, with good behavior and all that. And he's crying, boo effing who, with now in the media and elsewhere, trying to get people to feel sorry for him. After he did all this stuff, he wasn't some passive victim of Samir. The prosecution proved at trial that he was in on all of it. And of course he would be.
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Look at that email with the CFO. He's on there. You can't claim plausible deniability. The judge actually said that the quantum of dishonesty in this case is exceptional. It's exceptional. And here's more, okay? Before you start to feel sorry for Carlos, which I assume you're not, but he got basically the same time, just a little less than Elizabeth Holmes.
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And the judge understood that comparison and was just fine with it. This is what the prosecution said in their sentencing memo seeking a stiff penalty. This case is unusual for the audacity, the pervasiveness and the length of Watson's fraud, as well as for his obstruction, perjury, repeated attacks on the justice system and complete rejection of any responsibility.
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The memo was particularly harsh toward Watson's character. Quote, the history and characteristics of the defendant also weigh in favor of a serious sentence. He is dishonest. The ease with which he lied to victims again and again, and the ease with which he lied on the stand is frankly dishonest. unsettling. He is manipulative. He is cynical. He is callous.
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There has never been any indication that Watson feels any empathy for any of his victims, people who believed in him, whom he stole from. In most cases, a defendant accepts responsibility.
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Watson has done the opposite, not just fighting his case on the merits, as is his right, but taking every opportunity to obstruct, to retaliate, to undermine the justice system, and to continue lying and breaking the rules. Watson's history and characteristics thus further support a substantial sentence.
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The memo also said that it was fair to compare him to Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes, who received an 11-year and three-month sentence for defrauding investors of over $100 million. Same number. Although Theranos' product was quite different than Ozzy's, argued the prosecution, the lies that Watson told investors were very similar to those told by Holmes.
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They lied about revenue and contractual relationships to outside investors while silencing or ignoring concerns raised by employees. Both sets of founders fully embodied the fake-it-till-you-make-it approach and used it as a justification for their behavior.
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Like Holmes specifically, Watson played up his image as a charismatic founder, drawing investment to his company based on a success story that he knew was not true, all while actively courting as much press and personal attention as possible. It's really pretty incredible. Think about that. He is dishonest. He is cynical. He is callous. The ease with which he lied is frankly unsettling.
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Let's go back to SOT 52, him on my show.
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I wasn't really able to, this was still in our audio only days. I was still in my children's playroom. We've grown since then. And he came on and he was a bit inscrutable, but I tried. Listen,
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A gentleman and a rogue. Maybe that's how he dismisses his own behavior. It's not just being a rogue to steal, to defraud, to impersonate. That's next level. Those are ethical lines. Even your average rogue doesn't cross.
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Once you behave criminally after this society has given you every advantage, you've gone to Harvard, you graduated from Stanford Law where you made the law review, you got onto television, you got hundreds or $800 million of investment.
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from some of the richest Americans alive, believing in you, trying to help you build things like your newsletter, which definitely did not have 20 million subscribers. The most successful have maybe 3 million. All you should be doing is getting down on your knees and thanking this beautiful country of yours and working hard to earn the respect and the belief in the investment of those people.
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Instead, you tried to short track it, to short change your journey to the top. like neither a gentleman nor your average rogue. You know, I think back to my own experience of Carlos Watson and I liked him. Like so many others, he fooled me into thinking he's a nice guy. And I've told you this. I do not have a good, he's actually not a good guy detector. Doug does.
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I really need to listen to Doug, but Doug wasn't really involved in any of this, but I do not. I kind of thought Harvey Weinstein seemed kind of nice. I think I've told you. He wanted Doug to come write for him. And Doug was like, hell no. I'm like, oh, Duggar, that could be cool. He's like, Meg, he's not a good guy. I'm like, oh, I don't know.
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Anyway, there's a long list of people who turned out not to be great that I thought kind of might be. Who knows who's in my life right now, but they say one in four people is a sociopath. One in four. Is this one of them? No empathy for any of the victims? Still, as he's caught and he's sentenced and convicted, saying, poor me, I feel bad for people, including me?
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Do you know if somebody like that is in your orbit, if you're doing business with them, if they're a friend of yours, if they're a family member? Can you really say you don't have a Carlos Watson in your world right now? Can any of us be sure? A gentleman and a rogue. I don't know, Carlos. I think you went well beyond that. that line. And I don't feel sorry for you.
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I feel sorry for the people, even the rich people who gave you their money, believing in you and what you stated was your mission. And I think had you tried harder and longer and been an honest person, you actually, you know, the tragedy here is you might've made it. There actually aren't a lot of people like Carlos in the digital lane doing sort of just straight down the middle news.
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He wasn't left wing. He wasn't woke. He talked about that stuff, but in a very reasonable way. And I think ultimately that product could have prevailed. To quote the brilliant Gordon Ramsay, what a shame. And that, for now, will end the Curious Case of Carlos Watson episode. He remains free at the moment on $3 million bond. He is to surrender to prison on March 28th.
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Any restitution will be determined after a hearing in February. Thank you all for listening. Would love to get your thoughts. The email is megan, M-E-G-Y-N, at megankelly.com. We're back later today with VDH, Victor Davis Hanson. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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Oh, he was telling me something there and I really should have listened. Okay, so that's where we were as of 2021. Then Carlos was running these things called Aussie Fests. And it was like, you know, a big gathering of muckety mucks where you'd get together and have onstage conversations. And there'd be all these well-known people out there.
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And I guess potentially networking opportunities if you're a networker, which I infamously am not. I'm very bad at networking. I'm usually like, I want to go home and be alone. But anyway, he really, really wanted me to go down to where was it, Abby? What city? It was in Florida? No, I think it was, wasn't it like New Orleans? I think it was New Orleans. Okay.
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Anyway, he wanted me to go down to the Southeast and appear at Aussie Fest with him. And he had his right-hand man, Samir, call Abby. And he dealt with Abby a million times saying, please, please, please, can we have Megan? She's like, I don't know. She doesn't really like to do these things, but please, please, please, please, please. Carlos would really be appreciative. Okay.
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So I wound up deciding to do, I, every year I do a girl's trip with two of my closest friends. We've been dear, dear friends for 20 plus years from Chicago. I said, maybe they'll come join me down there. I can make a thing out of it. So that's what our plan was. Andrea and Rebecca were going to join me and we were going to go down to, I think it's New Orleans for the Aussie fest.
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And we were getting right up to it. And Abigail Finan is a nutcase when it comes to confirming my appointments. I mean, she will harass you to like the second I walk on stage to make sure that everything is as it should be in a good way. Not for the person getting targeted, but for me. And... She kept calling Samir and she wasn't getting called back. He'd shoot her a note, whatever.
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It was just kind of weird for an organization that's, you know, supposed to be a professional news organization and independent media company that Carlos has started with this huge YouTube presence and these other shows and so on. And we were getting to the point where I was like, all right, you know, if they don't call us back, I'm not going, it's not really not my problem. It's their problem.
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And then something hit the news that explained why we'd been getting the runaround, okay? It was a New York Times piece. That hit, I think, September 26th, 2021. Okay, September 26th, 2021. So not that long after we'd been on each other's shows and so on. And here's the headline of the New York Times piece. Goldman Sachs, Aussie media, any $40 million conference call gone wrong.
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I'm going to read you some of this piece. This past winter, Goldman Sachs was closing in on a $40 million investment in Aussie, a digital media company founded in 2013. And there seemed to be a lot of reasons to do the deal. Aussie boasted of a large audience for its general interest website, its newsletters, its videos.
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And the company had a charismatic chief executive, Carlos Watson, a one-time cable news anchor, he worked at MSNBC, who had worked at Goldman Sachs early in his career. FYI, he went to Harvard undergrad and Stanford Law School, though it does not appear he practiced law for any meaningful time, if at all.
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And crucially, Ozzy said it had a great relationship with YouTube, where many of its videos attracted more than a million views. All right, I'm going to pause here. So this is all consistent with what I knew of Carlos and Aussie media at that time. And what was happening was Carlos was trying to get another round of funding into his company so he could expand.
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I don't do funding on The Megyn Kelly Show. I never have. I don't take big investments from outside investors to fund my show or my hiring. I have a partnership with Sirius, which has been a blessing and it's worked out amazingly, but I don't go to investors to have them give me their money so that I can put the show on the air. It would create more problems than it would ever solve.
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That's my business model. There are many other places that do take money. I think the Daily Wire, you know, has, I know that they have some investors and that's fine. I'm not criticizing them at all. I'm just saying there's different models. And Carlos was more in that model where he was taking outside investment, trying to grow his company.
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Well, in an effort to do that, he had gone to Goldman Sachs and he had asked for over $40 million. And Goldman Sachs will give you $40 million for your media company if you can show that you are a success and that you're going to make this money plus back for them. They're not in the business of charitable donations. So they were going through this process.
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And one of the things that Goldman Sachs wanted to do before it loaned Carlos or invested in Carlos Watts' company was to see... more about those YouTube numbers because that was really the crux of his success. That's where he was putting all his points on the board. That plus his alleged newsletter, which he was claiming had 20 million subscribers, which is huge, huge.
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Find out more at GuardYourCard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card and to oppose the Durbin-Marshall credit card bill. Learn more for yourselves at GuardYourCard.com. Let me take you back to episode 103, back in May of 2021, when I interviewed Ozzy, that's Actually, let's go back even further in time. I had no idea who Carlos Watson was back in 2018 or so. I had left NBC.
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So they asked, Goldman did, if they could have a conference call with the YouTube executive responsible for running business with Carlos, for being in business with Carlos, which Carlos said he was with YouTube. Now, normally the way it works on YouTube is you're not in business with them. They have a platform.
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They'll allow you to come on it unless you really screw up over and over, in which case you could get booted. But it's not really a business relationship. in virtually any case, maybe I think they've been trying to get a business relationship with people like Mr. Beast, right?
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He's got 300 million subscribers, but in general, we're all just visitors perched on their platform and they'll allow us to advertise there and to make money there and they make money. But, you know, it's not like they've hired us or they license us or anything like that. So there was a man, is a man, named Alex Piper. I believe it's a man.
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Alex Piper, head of unscripted programming for YouTube Originals. Yeah, it's a man. And so Ozzy and Carlos Watson and Samir said, yeah, we'll put you in touch with Alex Piper, and he will tell you all about how amazing we are on YouTube. Back to the Times article. The scheduled participants included Alex Piper, who was running late for the meeting.
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with Goldman Sachs and apologized to the Goldman Sachs team saying that he had had trouble logging onto Zoom. Keep in mind, this is 2021 still. And he suggested that the meeting be moved to a conference call, according to four people.
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once everyone had made the switch to an old-fashioned conference call, the guest, Alex Piper, told the bankers what they had been wanting to hear, that Ozzy was a great success on YouTube, racking up significant views and ad dollars, and that Mr. Watson was as good a leader as he seemed to be.
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As he spoke, however, this Alex Piper, his voice began to sound strange to the Goldman Sachs team, as though... It might have been digitally altered. After the meeting, someone on the Goldman Sachs side reached out to Mr. Piper, not through the Gmail address that had been provided by... the Aussie team to Goldman Sachs, but through the YouTube executive, Mr. Piper's assistant at YouTube.
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They found another way to go directly to Alex Piper. That's when things got weird, reading here from the Times article. A confused Mr. Piper told the Goldman Sachs investor who was calling that he had never spoken with her before. even though he had allegedly just had a conference call with her about how great Ozzie was and Carlos Watson.
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Someone else, it seemed, had been playing the part of Mr. Piper on the call with Ozzie. This is unbelievable. When YouTube learned that someone had apparently impersonated one of their executives at a business meeting, its security team started an investigation. The inquiry did not get far before a name emerged.
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who is apparently busy defrauding Goldman Sachs. So he couldn't get right back to Abby about my appearance at Aussie Fest. In Carlos Watson's apology to Goldman Sachs and in an email to the New York Times reporter on Friday, Mr. Watson attributed the incident to a mental health crisis and shared what he said were details of Mr. Rao's diagnosis. See, he's gone nuts, is what Carlos said.
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Samir, this is a quote attributed to Carlos, is a valued colleague and a close friend. I'm proud that we stood by him while he struggled, and we're all glad to see him now thriving again. Now, I got to tell you, Abigail Finan and I were like, oh my God. my God. It's like, what? He's in a mental health crisis.
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Like you got to know, like Abby has stalked this man and he has stalked her to try to get me. They've had many correspondence. He did not sound like he was in the middle of a mental health crisis or breakdown. So we are reading this like you've got to be effing kidding me. Right. This is in The New York Times. Like, holy shit. Close friend. He struggled. We stuck by him.
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Then he added that Mr. Rao took time off from work after that call and is now back at Aussie. But it all appears to have just happened. How much time could he have taken off? A few days? This was years ago. What are you talking about? Mr. Rao did not reply to requests for comment. Okay. Now, This is everywhere. This story is everywhere.
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And it's a complete professional embarrassment to Carlos Watson. And it made a lot of news in the cable news industry because it's like, well, this guy used to work for MSNBC. He's making some waves. And now it turns out his company may or may not be a fraud. He may or may not be a fraud. We don't know.
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So he decides to go back home to the NBC universe and he appears on the Today Show, Carlos does, and he appears on CNBC with Andrew Ross Sorkin, who... gets into this call between Samir Rao and Goldman Sachs. Samir, of course, with the voice alteration technology to make himself sound like a YouTube executive. And here's how that went on October 4th, 2021.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's weekend best of special. We had a busy week on the program, beginning on Monday, looking at two important moments for President-elect Donald Trump.
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I know. All she has left is her little jars of jam, Amala. She's not going to be the first lady of Montecito. She's not going to be anything other than a jam proprietor, which is fine. It's fine. It just wasn't her lifetime goals.
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She's out there with Tyler Perry and Oprah instead of welcoming the incoming president of the United States, as she might have if she had just, oh, done the terrible work of sticking with the royal family.
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Yeah. It's so true. Like Trump has provided everyone with a roadmap of how to do it. If even Trump could get reelected after J six, after all the fascism claims and the Hitler claims and the American people spoke overwhelmingly saying, we don't care. We want a different way of living. We want to go back to basics here in America. We need a factory reset on this nonsense.
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Then there's a, there's a roadmap for other world leaders to say, I see what people want. We've been led astray going in the wrong direction. I want to show you this too. Um, Trump shook hands with Zelensky at the Elysee Palace. They were there with Emmanuel Macron on Saturday. And it was an interesting handshake.
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Trump is famous or infamous for his handshakes, the power handshakes where he pulls you in. He loves to pull you in. He's holding him and holding him. Okay, so there we go. He held him. And now here's Macron next to him, the three of them. And here we go. This is back example where he pulls in Macron. There he goes. And then it turns into like...
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look holding he doesn't let go of him look at him he won't let go this is when he met with macron what is it with trump and the handshake what's happening look yeah look look look there he goes again elbow up now elbow up above above macron it's like clearly a sign of dominance love to get a body language on uh expert but what do you guys make of the handshake
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I do want to tell you something funny about the handshake. My husband, Doug asked one of our friends who's CIA about the Trump handshake. And he showed us a way that like a man, I mean, he doesn't do this to women, but that a man can like stop the crushing grip and then pulling you in. It's like a maneuver that the CIA guys know, or like you can, you can Trump handshake. the dominant pull in.
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And we were like, oh, that's good. That's good. You know, we'll have to remember that. Not me, but Doug. And then we talked to Jack Carr, famous author and Navy SEAL. And he said, oh, no, that can easily be counteracted and showed us a double secret, triple secret move to counter the CIA move. So now, I mean, poor Doug has got a lot to remember.
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I'm so grossed out by this reaction to the murder of this insurance company's CEO. And it's pretty widespread on the left how they are lionizing the alleged murderer. And I mentioned Taylor Lorenz because she's pretty indicative of it. She worked for The New York Times. She worked for The Washington Post.
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She was fired by The Washington Post this fall when she posted on her Instagram, Joe Biden is a war criminal. When they chastised her for posting such a thing as a so-called reporter, she denied she had done it and claimed she'd been hacked. They fired her, not believing her excuse. And then a month or so later, she definitely posted on her social media, Joe Biden is a war criminal.
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kind of removing the mystery about whether it had been her the first time. And now this woman is all over online on her sub stack and elsewhere trying to justify this man's murder and goes on with Piers Morgan on his YouTube show last night saying the following.
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Okay, so there was that. And there is a problem with Venezuelan gangs in Colorado. Take a look at the very in-depth piece that City Journal did on it. I don't know why she's pretending that it's not a problem, but that's NBC for you. Here is a little bit more on the subject of children and families in Sot 5.
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Okay. Your thoughts on it, Heather?
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Yeah. And is giving voice to what we've seen all over the internet with thirsting after this guy and celebrating his looks and counting him as some sort of courageous guy, as they say, who shoots a man dead in the street, an unarmed man in the back. And, and
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in the left's world this is courage here is that guy tim miller who couldn't find the stones heather to ask doug emhoff who he had right across from him right after the story broke that he had according to his ex-girlfriend slapped her with an open hand across the face so hard outside of a festival in con france that she spun this is like a year before he got together with kamala harris
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He couldn't find the stones to ask him the question, would you like to respond to that? Is it true that you hit this woman? You who are being lauded by the left as the new version of masculinity, non-toxic, the way the Republican version is. This guy, Tim Miller, couldn't find the stones to ask him those questions.
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But here he is today with his thoughts about this alleged killer of CEO Brian Thompson.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I have a lot for you on Daniel Penny today, which I will do next. But you're exactly right. I mean, I think the Trump election was a declaration that the normies are with us. We've reclaimed the normies who were leftist adjacent. you know, open-minded to self-flagellation as required by BLM and the trans activists.
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Like, okay, if that's what I need to do to be a good person, I'm open, I'm listening. And now they've just been completely rejiggered to normalcy. Wait a minute, you people are the loons. We're not doing that. We're not opening the border. I'm going back with a side of reason. I think they're back with us, but it doesn't mean the loons went away.
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They're still a part of the Democrat party and they're vocal and they're not giving one inch to Taylor Lorenz is one example of that. But they're all over CNN and MSNBC in the wake of Penny, which is the other big story today, saying all the things you'd expect them to say about how we've normalized vigilantism. The same people, they see him as we're celebrating a vigilante in the case of Penny.
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But on the CEO, Brian Thompson, you've got some of those same people saying right on. You know, the guy had some good points.
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But it is interesting. I mean, like, and then you move on, of course, to politicians where it's like, and certainly nobody's advocating this. I'm just saying that if you want to talk about a politician who's really had a massive effect on healthcare, the first person to come to mind would be Barack Obama. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your law, your doctor, which was a lie. And his Obamacare plan led to the loss of individual relationships between a patient and his doctor over and over and over again, a patient and her plan over and over and over. So if we're green lighting, we're now green lighting violence against public figures who affect our health care. How do they reconcile that?
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I mean, how is it not a call for multiple assassinations? It's just such insanity. That's why I refuse to even have the discussion. I refuse to have the discussion about the state of modern insurance care in America right now. Maybe at some point we'll discuss it, but certainly not in response to this lunatic who is being covered like this.
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Heather, just to give you one other example, would you look at CNN talking about this murderer, this suspected murderer? Watch this.
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Okay, so what happened in that clip for the listening audience is that Casey Hunt, the anchor, chimes in, we've got to drop the banner to show them why. Like, show him his abs. There's something incredibly crass, sophomoric, simple about the discussions these people are having around this man who gunned down a fellow American.
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We haven't seen an open assassination attempt like this in a long time, Heather, and the seriousness is just missing.
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These are not people we can reason with. We just have to defeat them and forge on without them.
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I do want to ask you just, you're not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but it is bizarre, Heather, that this guy was valedictorian of this Tony Boyce School in Maryland, went on to the University of Pennsylvania where he got a BA and an MA in computer science, engineering, and math, I think was his minor, right?
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Good for Trump. I mean, he's exactly right that he's anticipating where this plan is going to meet significant pushback from the press, which is when there's a child to an illegal or a sympathetic woman who's married to or with an illegal. And Tom Homan is saying the illegal is going. And if you don't want to separate the families, you have the choice of going with them.
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goes on to work for some tech companies, though I will say the employment history started to get a little sketchy. They say he's worked, he worked for 10 different companies in the past 10 years. Now that would have been six when he was 16 to 26, but it's not like he found a great job and just kept it upon graduating from UPenn. Um,
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I'll just show you a little bit from his high school graduation speech as valedictorian. He wasn't particularly articulate or impressive, I will admit. But he seemed normal. He seemed normal. And this is just, you know, eight years ago. Listen to this.
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All the advantages, education, wealth, apparently a nice family that was looking for him when he went missing at age 26, couldn't find him, was doing its best to try to retrieve him. Lots of friends, you know, according to them, good looks. I... It's just, it's very strange what would make him go from that to, I'll listen, I'll let you hear it from John Miller, who's an intel analyst now on CNN.
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He's the chief law enforcement and intel analyst talking about what was in his manifesto that the police found on his person when they arrested him, SOC 10.
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We broke down his lengthy and substantive interview with NBC News with Batya Angar Sargon and his overseas trip to Paris featuring a friendly little chat with Jill Biden and Prince William. And Trump's reaction to that was hilarious. Then Heather MacDonald was here to talk about the insane reaction to the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson from the leftists and some in the media.
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We need to talk about Caitlin Clark. So Caitlin Clark of Iowa, but now playing for Indiana in the WNBA, gets honored in time as the athlete of the year. I don't know. I guess they need a lot of covers or something. I mean, whatever. They just want people who are going to sell their shitty magazine. So she gets selected as athlete of the year. And what does Caitlin Clark do?
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And then the media will look at the rest of us who are favored deportations and say, you It's your fault as opposed to the decision of this illegal who decided to bring a child here or send a child here, notwithstanding the fact that they have no right to be here.
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Like this woman who's a superstar. She's the Michael Jordan of the WNBA. And she's become a phenom in part because... The players of the WNBA can't fucking stand her. Why? Because she's white. It's abject, absolute racism. It's total racism. And one of the things that's been admirable about Caitlyn is she just continues to play her game. and put points on the board. And she does very well.
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And she wins games and she puts butts in the seats and she sells tickets and she gets people tuning in on television. And all really we want to hear from anybody about this is thank you. Thank you to Caitlin Clark for making our league relevant and so on. But instead, she's been bullied repeatedly by the players in this league. She's been assaulted physically. She's been scratched in the eye.
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And I mean, all this is on camera. We've covered it repeatedly on the show. So she gets this, honor. And all she has to do is continue staying above it. Thank you. I'm grateful. Love being in the WNBA. And I love my colleagues who I played with my teammates. That's it. Instead, she decides to go racial. And what she says is she feels the need to acknowledge her white privilege.
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Basically, she's sorry she's white. She feels really bad about it, though, so you should give her a pass. And then she makes a point of saying the ones we really need to be celebrating are the black women on whose backs this league was built. which I have to tell you is so condescending.
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It's true that most of these black women have been bullying her and want her to understand it's their league. Hello, you don't own the league. Blacks don't own the league just like whites don't own tennis or golf. Nobody owns the league. Pete, this is America. Anybody can play if they're good enough. Um, but they want her on the knee.
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You'll bend the knee and you'll apologize for being white and you will suck up to the black women who built this league before you, or you will be beaten. You will be assaulted and you will be bullied with no friends. So she does it. She finally did it. She bent the knee, self-flagellated over white privilege and look at, look at the black women in this league.
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And I have to tell you, if I were a black woman in that league, I think I'd say, screw you. Because don't treat me like I am the ugly stepsister and you are Cinderella and no prince is going to look at me unless Cinderella says, oh, give her a little time. Oh, put her in the spotlight for a moment. I would be offended, genuinely offended by her. Like, look over there. Look at them.
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They're not white. They did a lot, too. And here's the other thing. It's totally insincere. And here's how you know it's totally insincere. Because if Caitlin Clark really felt uncomfortable in the spotlight as the newbie who's white, Because white people didn't build the league. She wouldn't have said yes to being Time Magazine's athlete of the year. So either walk the walk or don't.
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But what you're doing here is trying to have it both ways. You're too cute by half. And you've managed to piss off your fan base. Go ahead and look at my Twitter feed and the comments under my tweet on this. She's lost thousands of fans, maybe more as a result of this. And you will never appease the race bullies in the WNBA ever because you're too popular. You're too talented and too white.
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That's it.
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Here's the other thing, Duncan. Here's the other here's the other question. I don't remember Serena Williams apologizing for her blackness in tennis, which had been dominated mostly by whites. I don't remember Tiger Woods apologizing for his blackness in the, you know. whatever, PGA, which was dominated by whites. No one would even think of such a thing.
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They celebrated this new figure in sports who maybe didn't look like all the other figures they knew. They thought it was great. He was to be celebrated. That's how normal people have responded to Caitlyn.
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You know, imagine a world just we got to keep this going because it's like I'm so fired up about it. But imagine a world in which Serena and Venus take over tennis. They crush and the and the thought pieces that are being written are or the comments that they are required to say are. I just want to acknowledge that tennis was built on the back of white people like Chrissy Everett. Yeah.
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And Martina Navratirola and Billie Jean King. And, you know, I have black privilege in being here because of my whatever. However, she wants to attribute that it wasn't explained by Caitlyn either. Exactly how her white privilege got her some more attention in the league. That's the theory by some racists that the only reason we want to watch Caitlyn is because she's white.
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And we can't stand watching the blacks, but we'll watch the white, which is absurd. She's by far the best. The stats prove it. That's why she's so popular. But in what world would we ever be comfortable saying to these black superstars, you better acknowledge the backs on whose bodies tennis and golf and whatever white sport you can think of was built. I mean, it's an absurdity.
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It's racist on its face.
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Mm-hmm.
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What we know about Kaylin Clark is she's reportedly dating some very, very woke leftist. But what we know about her is she liked Taylor Swift's. endorsement of Kamala Harris. So she seems to be telegraphing something about her politics, even though she doesn't often tweet or post about politics.
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It seems pretty clear she was in that lane hoping Kamala Harris got elected, though when asked about it, she tried to play it off as she was just really in favor of people informing themselves about the issues and making sure they vote. Okay, sure. There isn't a Trump voter in the world that would have liked the Taylor Swift endorsement of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
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So she definitely is a Democrat and probably a leftist who believes this crap. I have to think she believes in this crap. This is the first real window we are getting into the way she thinks. And I couldn't care less if she's a Democrat. As I've said many times, the people in my family are Democrats. A lot of people I love are Democrats. It's not about that.
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It's about this sick ideology and the fact that she bent both knees. She got down on both knees and begged for forgiveness for her whiteness and then was condescending to the black women in the league while she did it. It was an utter fail. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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Moreover... Tell it to the American families right now that are dealing with schools that are overrun by children from these foreign countries who are not here lawfully. And now in places like New York, you have to have a translator speak in the native tongue of all the children who are represented. So no matter where they're from, they can't even find enough translators. Never mind.
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Ask them whether they have teaching capacities. It's absolutely unworkable. So I think a lot of previously sympathetic Americans... I have had it voted for Trump to get rid of. Yes, even the children. I'm sorry, but they have to go. If they if you want to go back home and apply for asylum or try to get in legally, like so many millions have done before you, you should do that.
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But you have no right to break our laws, to enter the country unlawfully and then just play your sad violin and tell us we should allow you to stay here. There are procedures for that. You flouted them. Hold on. Here's a little reaction after Trump appeared and saw 28.
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The fellas from the Ruthless program stopped by to talk through the Caitlin Clark story, how she bent the knee to the race hustlers in the WNBA and apologizing for her whiteness. We got into that and more. We'll be back on Monday. See you then. Donald Trump goes on Meet the Press this weekend in an extraordinary hour-plus exchange with Kristen Welker.
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Jen Psaki with the still Hitler, still Hitler, notwithstanding the new tone. Here's the last one I want to play for you, Baja, and that is the discussion about whether he's going to go after his enemies, in particular, potentially with Kash Patel, if he gets confirmed as head of the FBI. SOT6.
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Pretty remarkable in terms of tone, yes. But also, Jen Psaki, the actual messaging, retribution will be our success. Do you think that the media will accept it? And do you believe it? Because he didn't rule out entirely Kash Patel going after his political enemies. He just said if somebody's corrupt or crooked, he'd have an obligation to do it.
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But I believe retribution is achieved through success.
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It's so crazy with the, you know, the Democrats are the ones who started the lawfare. They're the first ones to cross that Rubicon. They did it. And now they're acting like, oh, he's going to target. You know, we've got to preemptively pardon people like Adam Schiff and Adam Kinzinger. I don't know who else is on their imaginary list. I'm sure we're going to find out.
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And they got into what's going to happen in his second term with respect to immigration. Here, I'm just going to play some for you. Here is SOT4. Take a listen.
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As though Trump has done this before. They did this. You know, my husband, Doug, he used to watch our little dogs when we'd take them to the park and like the male dog, Bailey, he would pee on like a fire hydrant. And then another male dog would come and pee on it. And then Bailey would pee on it. And then the other dog, and Doug would just say, it's like a nuclear arms race.
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Like everybody keeps trying to escalate. And that's the Democrats. You know, it's like everybody peed on the fire hydrant. That was the thing. But then they went and they peed on like the leg of an actual human. And, and then, and, and, and now they're worried that like our side is going to It's like, you know, you guys are the only ones who did that.
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You don't have to create some new rule saying no one can pee on the humans. Like you're the only ones who ever did it. Also interesting was his trip over to France. He attended the reopening of the Notre Dame Cathedral, which we were all thrilled to see happen. One of the world's treasures. And a very interesting moment where he sat one away from Jill Biden and the person in between them got up.
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And so it was just those two for a moment. And they were super friendly. Here's a full screen of it. Picture. They were smiling. And so many people had a million captions for this. I'll stay on you for this one, Link. How would you caption that one with Jill and Trump smiling at each other?
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She may wind up getting one. There are going to be a lot of Biden's who still get pardoned. But it was very interesting to see, you know, the two of them over there chummy. It was to the point where it became such a meme that Trump put out this full screen, this sort of like graphic ad showing Jill and Trump together. Was it Trump who put this? Yeah, it was for Trump who put this out.
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It reads a fragrance your enemies can't resist. And it says fight, fight, fight. And it actually is a Trump fragrance that he's trying to market. So what do you make of it? I think it's about time. Yeah, are they actually friendly? Did they both vote for the same person?
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Here, we saw in that video that he was shaking hands with the Italian prime minister, and we saw Prince William standing there shaking his hand. And Trump, after the fact, said something. We don't have this on tape, right? Do we have that on tape?
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Oh, it's via the New York Post was commenting on how attractive Prince William is saying, you know, he's such a good looking guy and was saying even more handsome in person. He goes, he's a good looking guy. He looks really very handsome last night. Some people look better in person. He looked great. He looked really nice.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's AM special episode where we take a deep dive today into Duke lacrosse accuser Crystal Mangum admitting once and for all that she made up that entire story. This is such a crazy story on so many levels, you guys.
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where you have the act of rape, essentially a gang rape, it's bad enough in and of itself. But when it's made with racial epithets against the victim, absolutely unconscionable. The contempt that was shown for this victim based on her race was totally abhorrent to the New York Times.
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The thing that most of us found so abhorrent and the reason I decided to take it over myself was the combination gang-like rape activity accompanied by the racial slurs and general racial hostility. This is like, think about this. Think about these poor guys knowing they did nothing. They did nothing. And they're being accused of being vile, racist rapists.
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by the DA who can't smear them often enough, and a complicit media who refuses to pause to check it out. You know the old saying in journalism, if your mother tells you she loves you, check it out. They wouldn't check it out. His word was gold.
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They had to be guilty because they were white, they were allegedly privileged, and they were prick Duke lacrosse players who don't we all just hate all of them anyway. Meanwhile, they weren't all from families of privilege. And that was well documented at the time by Hannity, on whose show I would go regularly. And he knew at least one of them.
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I think it was Finnerty, who is from his area of Long Island. These kids were not all from families of privilege, but no one cared. Duke lacrosse players, enough said. And she was a stripper and black and a single mother. So all of that. Great. We know what to say. Here's a little bit of Nifong's allegations in the press at the time.
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Is it any wonder that protests... arose at Duke. And within about three minutes, the entire Duke lacrosse season was canceled. It was canceled by the university. You're all guilty. Before At trial, before we've even tested the credibility of your accuser, you're done.
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And you all know at this point now, with sports having gotten so big, that these kids who got into Duke Lacrosse, one of the best programs in the nation, repeatedly, they devoted their entire lives You know, their first 18 years to mastering their abilities at this sport. You get into Duke. It's a dream. It's a great school. You're playing. This is like truly a dream come true.
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And now because this one woman's allegations, your entire dream is in shambles. And that guy's out there accusing your teammates. And if you're one of these three, you of being a racist rapist. Here's some of the protests we saw.
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This is out in front of the home, the players. Signs talking about them being castrated. Outrage Duke alum.
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That was Casey Johnson. God bless him. He's a professor in, I think it's Brooklyn College in CUNY, City University of New York. And he's been right on this all along, too. He wrote a book about this. He's been on the show many times. You guys may know him. He's been doing great advocacy work on the Title IX revisions and what's happening to young men on college campuses.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
If you have a young man in your family who's going to college... or has over the past 20 years, you owe that man, Casey Johnson, a debt of gratitude because no one's done more than he has to try to get to write the ship when it comes to young men's rights on college campuses, their due process rights. And he also saw through this nonsense and was very good about talking about it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Um, so that was him describing after the fact, you know, in a retrospective piece, what happened, those professors, uh, immediately rushed to judgment. Unlike Britt or Dan, you know, who are familiar with whatever these storied institutions, these professors who work there were so quick to crap all over it. Yes, Duke players suck. Yes, they're evil. They're disgusting. We totally believe it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And we're what they put in that group of 88 faculty member statement, thanking the campus demonstrators for distributing a wanted poster of the Duke lacrosse players, calling for them to be castrated at their protest. Their ad reads in part, this is a social disaster. No one is really talking about how to keep the young woman herself central to this conversation.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Regardless of the results of the police investigation, what is apparent every day now is the anger and fear of many students who know themselves to be objects of racism and sexism. Will they come forward now? I mean, truly, will they, with a woman who was in that protest video speaking out on that bullhorn, will they come forward and say, again, I would like to be heard and I got it deeply wrong.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Everyone, everyone else in the media rushed to judgment because what was alleged in this case, for those of you who were not around or too young to care, or it's just been a long time. was that on March, I don't remember the date, but in March of 2006, three Duke lacrosse players gang raped a woman of color, a black woman from Durham, North Carolina. That's where Duke is located.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And I'm very, very sorry. Very, very sorry. Because now the accuser has admitted what we knew, which is she lied and made the whole thing up. She made the whole thing up. The temperatures were rising in Durham and around these boys. The lacrosse season was shut down. The university was in the news every day.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And Mike Nifong, the DA, was briefed by the Durham police investigator who told him that there were a number of weaknesses in this case, including that Mangum, the accuser, had made inconsistent statements to the cops and had changed their story several times.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
that there was another dancer named Kim Roberts present with her on the night in question at the party and that she disputed Mangum's story, saying that she did not see a rape occur and suggesting that the accuser wanted it to appear as if she had been attacked and saying...
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
that the lacrosse players were disappointed in their striptease and that some racial slurs were used, but then they left without any assault taking place that she saw or knew of or heard Crystal Mangum complain of. Okay. Mike Nifong took that information and was not persuaded at all. It was pedal to the metal, and we played you some of his public statements about it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
He told MSNBC on March 31st, 2006, that somebody had an arm around her like this, which she then had to struggle with in order to be able to breathe. What? This is the level of detail he was going into. in the public arena, knowing nothing. We would later find out he had never even spoken to Crystal Mangum at this point. He's saying all this stuff. He'd never even spoken to her.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
What he'd spoken to, who he'd spoken to, were his detectives who were telling him there were massive problems with her case and her story's very inconsistent. And the woman who'd been with her who said, don't believe Crystal.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
he told a reporter with Rally News and Observer, I'm not going to let Durham's view in the minds of the world, you heard some of this, be a bunch of lacrosse players from Duke raping a black girl in Durham. Rush to judgment, anyone? The goal, again, to achieve justice, not a conviction.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
In early April, between the 7th and the 10th, 2006, there was DNA testing of the rape kit, which found DNA from up to four different males, not one of whom was a Duke Lacrosse member. And the day that happened, the initial report said it was up to five. The day that happened... I broke that news on Sean Hannity's show that night in primetime.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And it was a huge development in the case that now they had the DNA test back. There was, in fact, semen from multiple men inside of the accuser. And not one of those men was named Reed Seligman, Dave Evans, or Colin Finnerty, nor a player on the Duke lacrosse team at all. That is it, folks. That's ballgame. And I had it dead to rights.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I went out on the air that night and reported it, and it was huge news. Should have been over. Nifong should have ended his case the next day. That's what happened, in fact, was April 11th. He comes out and says to the news media, it doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means nothing was left behind. Okay. Okay.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
So she had sex with at least four men right around the time that she was allegedly gang raped.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And the three now gang rapers who she wasn't able to identify in the first two passes of the photo lineup, which was already biased, took time to put on condoms that they just happened to have on their persons when they allegedly locked her in a bathroom, which by the way, where she said she was raped orally, anally, and vaginally, and didn't get a mark on them, not a fingernail mark on them, nothing.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
and somehow managed to escape without leaving any DNA on her. This is what we were dealing with. It was becoming more and more obvious. And yet, by the way, the media held on. It's not like even at this point, the media was like, she's a liar. No, they held on. If you go back and look at the reporting, they still, the New York Times was among the worst to cover this.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
On April 17th, after that news, Naifang sought the indictments against Finnerty and Seligman for first degree rape, first degree sex offense and kidnapping. And within a month, he indicted Dave Evans for the same. Unbelievable. After all I just said, this was mind blowing. But the media was not reporting these details and most in the public was not aware. of these exonerating details.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And Durham has a not well-off side of town, and it is a majority-minority town. So these are three white boys at Duke on the lacrosse team and one black stripper who claimed she'd been gang raped by them. I mean, just in those allegations alone, you can see and feel how explosive it was and would have been. And it allegedly happened at a house in which the Duke lacrosse team was holding a party.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Dave Evans at the indictment, the team captain came out and made a brief statement. He hadn't spoken to any of the media. None of them had. I was there. And the part I remember the best, I don't think we have it in the soundbite, but was he looked at us and said, I am innocent. You have all been told some fantastic lies. Watch.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
It was as clear a statement of innocence as you could get. It was not, I will not be found guilty or I deny these allegations or I would never. It was, I am innocent. These are lies and they'll be proven untrue. And every word of that was correct. Still, the media and this DA pushed forward.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
May 18th, 2006, Nifong handed over discovery materials to the defense, but they did not include any underlying data or information about the DNA testing. An analysis did not include any documentation or information indicating the presence of DNA from multiple unidentified males on the rape kit items, did not provide statements of any witnesses taken during the investigation.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Naifeng told the court the state is not aware of any additional material or information which may be exculpatory, meaning tending to prove innocence. October 27th, 2006, lawyers for the defendants finally determined that they were not given the results of the DNA tests. And in December, Nifong finally interviewed Crystal Mangum. December. This case started the previous March.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
We're coming up on a year now. When he finally did, he discovered that her story had changed. She was unable now to say whether she'd been raped at all. Did he drop the case? No. No. Let me give you a feeling of what else was happening. I was still down there, up and down between DC and Durham. And we figured out, thanks to our visit to these strip clubs, where Crystal Mangum lived.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And so my team and I, the three of us, drove over there. It was in a not great neighborhood. We were a little scared. And... A police officer actually stopped us when we got almost into the neighborhood and said, what are you doing? And we said, we're looking for the accuser in the Duke case. And he said, don't go in this neighborhood. And he said, it's not safe.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
But we did because we were chasing the story. What we knew is that she had a boyfriend named Matt and that she lived with him. So we expected that she was going to be in this home with Matt. And we saw these like serious looking dudes on the corner of this block. And then the next block is we approached your house and none of us wanted to mess with these dudes.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And all I can remember is my producer, my photog saying, hope that's not Matt. Hope that's not Matt. It was a crazy time. So we get there and the plan was I would go up and ring the doorbell and they would shoot the scene so that if she came out, we'd at least have her on camera. We might get lucky and get her to say something.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And so I did ring the doorbell and rang the doorbell and rang the doorbell and no one came to the door. And And as I'm standing there ringing the doorbell, a car comes out from behind the house that she's in and peels out. And we can see it's her. So my guys are like, let's go. So I run back into the van.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
It was like something out of a movie where we started moving before I was actually fully in the van. And we followed her. And we don't know what to do. We're like, we're not even sure if we should be doing this. We're not tabloid, but we do want to get, you know, something with her on camera. And it would be great if we could actually have her speak into the microphone, give us two lines.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Where's she going? That could be newsworthy, all of it. And we followed her for a short time, but we didn't know if this was the right thing to do. We were all very green. So we called back to the And, uh, we said, we've got the accuser. She's in our line of sight. She's in the car in front of us and we're following her, but what should we do? What should we do?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And the desk, the guy who answered at the desk said, stand by. I've got to get Kim human and involved. And, uh, so we're standing by as he asked him him what to do. And the feedback was continue pursuit. I'm like, continue pursuit. So we continue pursuit. And, uh, Didn't quite know where it was going to lead. Well, it stopped at a red light.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And we got out of the car and we had the camera and we're going up to get her on tape. I mean, look, this woman was presumed by everybody to be a rape victim, but she was not presumed to be a rape victim by us. We had serious doubts about whether she was telling the truth. These guys' pictures were all over everywhere.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Their career as lacrosse players had already been brought to an unceremonious early end. And we did not think she was off limits. And so we went up to get her on camera and she threw herself on the passenger side of her car and covered her head. And we said, we're out of here. That's too much for us. We're not going to do this anymore. And I think that was the right call.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And I don't, I think chasing her initially was the right call too. But at some point as a reporter, your humanity kicks in and you say, let's do this, but we'll do it another way. So we got back into the van and we took off and we were not able to find her again. And no one was.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Now, I did track down her father, who told me, and I reported this exclusively on Fox News at the time, that she was claiming she'd been sodomized by these boys with a broomstick, which is just so absurd. You know, again, the woman who was with her doesn't even remember anything happening to her, but she was in a closet so long, in a bathroom so long with these guys.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
So it wasn't just these three. It was the team. And this hit the media like wildfire. They loved this story. Now with retrospect, we've got some 19 years of dealing with this version of the news media under our belts. So you're not surprised to hear that given those dynamics, the racial differences, the class differences, the gender differences that the media rushed to judgment against these boys.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
They were using other objects, but they had their condoms on so that no one would see them. Like, just the notion of it. And then it was dropped by another news outlet that she had accused other men of gang rape when she was 18. And now you see a clear profile of this woman coming out, but still Nifong pressed forward and still the press was derelict in its duty. Um,
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Eventually, the case was taken away from Mike Dyfong. Eventually, what we had was an attorney general step in and take over this case. His name was Roy Cooper. He eventually became governor of the state, but he held a press conference in which he announced that he was dropping the charges against the three.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
They figured out that Nifong was a dishonest broker, that he hadn't handed over required discovery to the defense, including DNA results, and that this was an out-of-control rogue prosecutor and a miscarriage of justice. He stepped in and announced that these guys were not guilty and he was dropping the charges. Here's a bit of that.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I got a chill just listening to that actually brings up like an emotion for me. They'd been put through hell. I remember Reed Seligman had receipts second by second for where he'd been that night, showing that he could not possibly have committed this crime. And she made a mistake in picking him because like he really had an alibi.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Still, they put him through the same hell that they put the other two through. And their parents absolutely bat shit crazy over what was being done to their boys. And yet no one giving them a fair shake, not the DA, not the media, no one, almost no one. Um, that was an extraordinary day when finally someone of reason took over and Dave Evans spoke out on April 11th, that same day, 2007. Listen,
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Well said, Dave Evans. Just an example in class, fortitude, and character. He was given credit there to his two co-defendants, but he deserves a lot as well. All of them do. And the men on the Duke lacrosse team who nearly had their lives ruined as well just by smears and reputation adjacency. Um, even after Nifong's claims fell apart, some on the left held on to the nonsense. Just one example.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
But at the time, believe it or not, we weren't like that yet in the media. We weren't used to the media doing this. It was still a time in which we tended to be more judicious in our coverage and careful. And this was the before and after moment at which we abandoned that. It really was. This was the seminal moment.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Her name is Amanda Marcotte. She'd written for slate, the guardian, another leading progressive publications. She has, she defended the hoax. She defended the baseless prosecution even after the charges were brought against Nifong because ultimately I'll tell you what happened to him, but it wasn't good. When he found himself on the defense, she was still standing by this bogus hoax.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
On her blog, she wrote people who defended the wrongly accused Duke students were rape-loving scum. She complained about the charges being thrown out, sarcastically asking, can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? She is now the senior politics writer at Salon.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
The left doesn't throw you out for race baiting and getting it so deeply wrong that you could easily be sued. they promote you. They celebrate you. They have you write more articles like this one. Um, she's author of, I guess it's a book troll nation, how the right became Trump worshiping monsters set on rat fucking liberals, America and truth itself. That's lovely.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
That's our left-wing blog salon. Nice. Good for you. It must be very proud. Mike knife on did find himself on the receiving end of charges. Crystal Mangum, no. The attorney general said he would not be charging her, even though he clearly could have, because of her mental state. They believed she was nuts, so they didn't charge her.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
It was very controversial at the time, but they didn't think that was the way to go. They did, however, seek to disbar Mike Nifong, which was easy. He was disgraced and disbarred. And then they went after him criminally, and he wound up having to spend a day in jail, which was symbolic, just to say to the public, he's the villain. Which, yeah, he is. It's clear. He did ultimately, after...
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
losing his entire career, never mind his reputation, come out and apologize. It was during his disbarment hearing when he was struggling to save his law license. Here's some of that.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Didn't work. Lost his law license. Spent a day in jail for contempt of court. That's what he was being punished for and has never recovered since. He's still disgraced and a walking example of what happens when a rogue prosecutor misunderstands his role in the system. A lesson many prosecutors out there today could stand to benefit from learning. Wish they'd pay attention.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
As for Crystal Mangum, things did not go well for her after this case fell apart. She came out in 2008, so not long after the case was dismissed, April of 2007, and she wrote a book. And in her book, she reasserted her claims. She reasserted them. Take a listen to her here from 2008.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
in the media leaning into what we now know as wokeness when they looked at cases and stories like this one. It was a travesty in many ways. And thank God these three boys wound up getting let off the hook by the attorney general who stepped in to take over. But the media, they got away with it. And they continued to sin in exactly the same way they did in that case ever since.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Still a liar. She was threatened with a defamation suit by one of the boy's families at that time. She was doubling down, just not admitting it. Okay, so we're still supposed to go with mental state. Got it. Supposed to still feel sorry for her. Don't. And that was 2008. And then, you know what happened? In 2013, She went to prison for second-degree murder of her boyfriend.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I don't know if it was Matt. Hope that's not Matt. I'm not sure. She went to jail for second-degree murder. And when she was found guilty... Newsbusters reported at the time that they keep an eye on left-wing bias. There were no Duke accuser updates at ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS, USA Today, or the Washington Post. New York Times had a tiny little column on it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Turns out she's a murderer in addition to being a false rape accuser. Not worth an update. Why step on our old narrative? We already took a black eye on it. No reason to make it two.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And then this week, we get this extraordinary piece of tape from a little old show no one's ever heard of called Let's Talk with Kat, spelled with a K, in an interview that happened at the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And finally, finally, almost 19 years after this happened, Crystal Mangum tells the truth that she made this whole thing up and addresses the young men specifically. Listen. Do you have any regrets?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Wow. So that's how the saga ends. It almost never happens. We were dangerously close to her lies sending those three innocent promising amazing young men to prison for the vast majority of their lives. We were dangerously close to it. I'm glad she acknowledged it. I'm glad she apologized. I don't know what it'll do.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Here we are almost 20 years later, and they're still at it. And that's really what's remarkable about this case. And for me, it is personal because I lived it firsthand. And I'll tell you what brought me to the case. I was hired by Fox in August of 2004. I had done a year in journalism working for the ABC affiliate down in Washington, DC.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
She can no longer be prosecuted for lying under oath, as she did, because the statute of limitations has run on that claim, but she's in prison for a long, long time, thanks to her second-degree murder conviction. The boys did ultimately sue. They sued in a civil suit, Duke University, which was settled.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And reportedly, though we don't know, the university paid approximately $20 million to each claimant. That's unconfirmed. We reached out to them to see if they had any reaction to Crystal Mangum finally coming clean. And we actually have an exclusive statement here from not Dave Evans, but his lawyer, Joe Cheshire, who represents him. This is just to us. Quote,
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I'm extremely pleased that Crystal Mangum finally decided to tell the truth. For those of us that were involved in the Duke Lacrosse case, there was never a question as to the innocence of these young men. It was a travesty of justice caused by one prosecutor's corrupt effort to win an election at the expense of three innocent people.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Prosecutorial misconduct can have a devastating impact on the administration of justice by causing wrongful convictions of innocent people and must be carefully guarded against. Although Ms. Mangum's admission is long overdue, it does put the final layer of validation on the unequivocal innocence of these three fine men. Colin Finnerty left Duke and enrolled at Loyola College in Maryland.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Dave Evans, who you heard there, had already graduated from Duke before he was officially charged, received an MBA from Wharton at the University of Pennsylvania in May of 2012. Reed Seligman enrolled as a student at Brown University in that fall of 2007 and was an important part of Brown reaching the 2009 NCAA lacrosse tournament as well as a number 10 national ranking.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I believe one of them went on, I think it was Seligman, to law school hoping to practice criminal defense. We'll check that. I think one of them's in finance and I'm not sure what the third one's doing. Yeah, he went to Emory University Law School. Seligman did. So good for him. Taking that trauma and turning it around to actually save others from going through it is pretty noble.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
All of this is just so upsetting and it's so deeply immoral and the press has learned nothing. They're just as vile and disgusting and they do it over and over again. And so do officials who have no business trying to lead the public into thinking there's guilt when there isn't like Joe Biden when he was running for president saying Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
The irresponsible rhetoric from Barack Obama in in these cases, not to mention the entire leftist media. Whenever there is a black man on the wrong end of police in a violent confrontation, they they don't learn. They don't learn. which is one of the reasons why Leslie Stahl should not have been so confused in that clip we showed you yesterday where she spoke to Peggy Noonan about why.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Why is it that the legacy media has died? She can feel it happening. Even she's acknowledging it of 60 Minutes. Why? This is why. You changed nothing. You learned nothing. You doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on the same sins. And we no longer trust you. In fact, we loathe you. Look at the way they covered Donald Trump's four indictments.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And so I was young in my reporting career, but I had almost 10 years of legal practice under my belt as a litigator. So I was very used to looking at disputed fact patterns and being asked to make arguments to judges and juries and to behind the scenes, talk frankly with my own teams about what we believed was true. You know, you don't come into it with any superior knowledge as a lawyer.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Look at the rogue DAs who indicted those cases to begin with. The left has learned nothing. There is no fixing them. There is only forging on without them. That's why shows like this were born. It's why the digital lane has taken off. It's not just all about swagger and good for us when we talk about it. It's because it was important.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
It's because necessity is the mother of all invention and we needed an honest press and didn't have one. It's journalistic Darwinism. Finally, I'm going to end with a nice story, a nice piece of this story. I mentioned it's one of the, this case is one of the reasons that I met my husband. So flashback to 2006, when this was all unfolding, I was going down to Durham. I was
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
My husband, Doug, who I mentioned to you, went to Duke, saw me. I was Megan Kendall then. I was still using my first husband. I was her first husband, as you know. It ended amicably, but I still had Megan Kendall as my name. he saw Megan Kendall reporting on the Duke fake rape case from Durham. And he was interested in the case for obvious reasons.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
He had gone there, not, not that far in the past and wanted to keep up to date on what was happening and like the reporting. And as it turns out, like the reporter, a long story short, we were set up and I met him for a blind date and And the rest is history. We met in July of 06. And by September of 07, he proposed to me. And we were married in March of 08.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And for me personally, it has an additional layer because this is the story on which I cut my teeth as a young reporter at Fox News. Many of you may remember that. I actually heard a lot of people, saw a lot of people tweeting at me and emailing us saying they do remember our coverage.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And it's funny because one of our traditions is we go out once a year with our friends from New Jersey who we spend the summers with. And time after time, we would see family members. I've never actually met the three lacrosse players. I've never met one of them, but I've met their dads. I've met family members who will come up to me.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And it used to always happen at this one restaurant we'd go to in New York on this celebration. And they were so profoundly thankful for what? Just honest coverage. That's it. I was not on the air every night saying they didn't do it. You know, I wasn't allowed to do that back then. Now I'm much more opinionated and able to share my opinion.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
But back then I was a straight news reporter and I would never have shared my actual opinion. I could only report the news honestly. And they were so grateful just for that, just for reporting the news honestly.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
You know, I gave you the one example, but there were a lot of them in that case where we bonged in on Hannity with a Fox News alert and set the cable news world on fire with our reporting there. And it's just a wrong, immoral thing where someone who's the target of those kinds of allegations has to be so deeply grateful for just honest coverage about the facts in their case. Anyway,
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Doug and I lived happily ever after, at least so far. Went on to have three wonderful kids who we adore. And that's my hope for these three guys, too. I don't know personally where their lives took them. They're all older now. They figured they were 20 when this happened to them 20 years ago. So they're probably all married with kids of their own and careers.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
You have what your client tells you. You have what you hear from opposing clients in depositions and in court. And you form your own judgment on what you believe. And if you can get to the actual truth, it's very helpful. You may argue it one way or another when you're actually in court, but you do your level best to figure out what did happen. And that's exactly how I approached this case.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And it would be great if they'd come and talk about the lessons that they've learned. They've given a couple of interviews, but I'd love to hear... how this very negative experience has affected them positively.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Because I bet you there's a whole bunch of things in that lane that would help the people who feel sorry for themselves today because they got a bad test grade or because somebody snubbed them, that they could learn from these guys who went through true adversity. Not exactly the way our soldiers do, but not totally dissimilar from the way our soldiers do. They went through their own kind of hell.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
and have been really great, fine, upstanding guys. So they're the heroes of the story. Mike Nifong's the villain of the story. Crystal Mangum, it's more complicated. I do believe there's something seriously wrong with her. I don't know if I'll use the term villain. I don't know what to say about her. Hers is a sad, sorry case. But in the end, at least this week, she finally did the right thing.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Okay, before we sign off today, we did something really fun with the fellows from Ruthless the other day when they were here. We didn't air it because we wanted to save it for you guys this weekend. We got into their four and my one, the four of them, favorite Christmas movie. Tis the season, their hilarious smug does not disappoint in particular.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
But even I, who was not woke and who was a trained litigator, needed a warning on this case because I was still young. I was 33. No, 33 when I joined Fox. But by this time, March of 06, I was 35. And I'm going to confess, I saw the fact pattern. I was like, I could see it happening. I'm not so like jaded, certainly not by media.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
All right, I will kick it off and tell you I was very, very torn because I love, love, love watching this movie, Christmas in Connecticut. It was made in 1945. It stars Barbara Stanwyck. And the fun thing about this movie is she's basically a Martha Stewart type who writes like a home helper column in this popular magazine. But it turns out she's a fraud. She can't cook. She's not a homemaker.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
She doesn't know what she's doing. She's a city girl living in Manhattan wearing furs. The whole thing is fake. She's using this cook friend of hers to write all this stuff. And that's working out fine for her until the owner of the magazine, Alexander Yardley, which, by the way, is where I got my daughter's name from.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I always tell you that bald old man in Christmas in Connecticut, he gets this idea of trying to honor and celebrate this World War Two hero who's just back from war, who really just wants a home cooked meal. And he wants his main writer to celebrate this guy at her Vermont farm by hosting him. But she is not married. She does not have a baby. She does not have a Vermont farm.
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And she, her editor, and this guy who does want to be her husband and happens to own a Vermont farm, talk her into a ruse where she pretends it's all happening and they have the guy come. And here's the scene in which they hatch the scheme.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
This is her editor.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Catastrophic. So cute. And what I love about it, guys, is it's black and white. There's all these scenes in the snowy outdoors in a horse-drawn sleigh. And it's just the feeling, you know, that old-timey stuff, like, you're a lamb, gives me when I watch this. That makes me love it so much. So, okay. How about you guys? Who wants to go first?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Oh, wait, stand by. We have it teed up, right?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
We've all been there at one point or another. All right. We'll do it this way. So I don't know what yours is, Ashbrook, but my team knows. Let's get into it by them playing some of your favorite Christmas music or movie. And we'll all find out together.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I was barely in it, but, or by life that I could never see this happening. You know, lacrosse players. Uh, I know I love lacrosse players, truth be told, because I went to Syracuse and I dated the captain of the team that won three national championships there. And I knew a lot of these guys and they were great guys. They certainly weren't a bunch of rapists, but they liked to party.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I love how he's like, sons of... He's swearing. It ends mid-word, which works. All right, so the team will show us now. What is Michael Duncan's favorite Christmas movie?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Everyone loves it. Everyone's telling me to watch this. I've never seen it, Duncan.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Is this a chick flick?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Oh, great tease. It's on. We may watch that tonight. Okay, I want to see here. I don't know what Comfortably Smug would pick. Neither do we. I can't wait to see. Okay, let's watch it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I, you know, it's just, The general atmosphere of debauchery did not seem impossible to me. And a bunch of guys really drunk at a party, who's to say it's impossible? So I wasn't ready to condemn them knee-jerk, but I also wasn't of the thought, no way. And Brit Hume put me on this case, who was my boss in the DC Bureau. He was the managing editor down there.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And we're watching an execution attempt.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Godfather's not a Christmas movie.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
All right. I mean, very tenuous link there, but I'll take it. I'll take it. Do you have two minutes additional or do you guys got to run? Sure.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I just want to show you this. So I love Christmas in Connecticut. I love the way it makes me feel. I put it on and I just like wrap presents or do something like it's not something that I would always just be focused on every, every minute of the movie, but the movie I really need you to watch if you haven't seen it. And the movie I absolutely love is family man.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Family Man stars Nicolas Cage and Taya Leone. And it is so good. The message is so good. The acting's so good. It's hilarious. It's a heart tugger. It's got all the elements in it. And it's so wonderful that I teed up the trailer because I really want you to see it, though it was made now almost 25 years ago. Watch.
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And there's this one scene in there where he says to her, I want us to have a life that people will envy. And they live in this small home in New Jersey. Their kids go to this public school that neither one is making any money. And she says, what they have is amazing marriage. They already do envy us, Jack. And like that right there, that's it. You know, it's like we get sucked into-
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
you know, money or fame or some, some version of success that doesn't involve the real people who you surround yourself with, who you really love, who you're building a life with. And you, you forget about that, right?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
You forget that it's like the genuine love between you and your partner, hopefully like the feeling you have when you pick up your baby and smell his hair, you know, that that is the stuff of envy, you know, and it's a perspective setter. At the perfect time of year, right, when we get so materialistic about what matters.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And it was getting a lot of traction, this case. And he said, you need to go to Durham and get boots on the ground, if you will, and start reporting and breaking news in this case. And I said, okay. And we talked about it. And I said, do you think they did it? And he said, what do you think? And I was like, maybe. Now, Britt had had a very different background than I did.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Well, you could watch that, or you could watch the shoot-em-up-kill-em godfather with Fredo. It's your call. It's all about family. It's a personal preference situation. You guys are the greatest. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
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No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Britt had gone to, I believe, a private boys school, and he had sent his own son to a private boys school, for sure, in Virginia. And it was a feeder school for programs like Duke Lacrosse, by the way. And Britt had a very nice family background, maybe a little bit of prestige and connection. I didn't have any of that.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Britt had an academic pedigree that was beautiful and a journalistic pedigree that matched. And Britt is a brilliant guy, as you probably all know. Very, very, very smart. And we used to joke in the D.C. Bureau about if Britt says it, it's right. Okay, I realize there are some people who are like, well, he didn't get Trump right. He was not a big fan of Donald Trump first time around.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
But nine times out of 10, Britt has his facts straight and his instincts when it comes to news judgment are spot on. So he said to me, be careful. You know, that deep voice he has, be careful. And I said, what do you mean? And he said, the media... senses something here that is not consistent with the Fox News mission. And he was talking about leaning into identity politics.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Because it was not only a massive travesty of justice, almost, almost, but it was a massive travesty of journalism. And virtually everyone was sinful. I will be honest. I don't remember anyone other than yours truly and Dan Abrams. at Court TV at the time, reporting honestly on this case, reporting accurately on this case.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Back then it was called more political correctness. And he said, that's not what we do at Fox News. And he said, go down there and keep an open mind. That was his sole directive to me. Keep an open mind. And honestly, that's all you had to do to get this story, right? That's all you had to do. And you know what?
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Not coincidentally, Dan Abrams, the other person who was getting it right and did get it right, went to Duke. My husband went to Duke. Um, and actually it's the reason that Doug and I got married. I'll explain that later. But anyway, so Dan went to Duke and he knew a lot of these guys too.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And he and Britt with that background, they knew from their experience and exposure to guys like, no, these are not a bunch of gang rapists who happened to just get into Duke. And they were familiar with media narratives around privilege and white guys that were BS, right? So it was a very interesting... collection of those who got it right.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And what saved me was my background as a litigator and Britt's advice. Okay, so I go down to Durham, North Carolina, and I was very determined to not only pursue the guys and their story, and I developed the best sources you could get on team defense, but also to pursue her, the accuser, and see if we couldn't find something, something exclusive, something more. And boy, did we ever.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
So we covered both angles of the story and had great sources. And I'll tell you one other reason why Britt had it right, my boss, and encouraged me. Because he sensed immediately this is a political story in addition to a legal one. Because what we had in the Duke case was a white district attorney who was up for re-election in an election year in, as I pointed out, a majority-minority district.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
So it was a chance to pander. It was a chance to say to the black residents of Durham, I'll get those privileged white pricks, even though I'm a white guy. And Britt read it. And we actually would later find out that Mike Nifong, if he could retire at
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
this sort of higher level, if he could get reelected and he could retire at that level, he would have a much higher pension than he otherwise would. And so he had a personal stake in it, not just to get reelected, but also a personal financial stake in a way in pursuing this case and leading us to believe there really was one. This is the villain of the case. I mean, he's the biggest villain.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Mike Nifong is the biggest villain involved here. And again, the reason we're covering this again is because the other main figure in making this case happen against these young men, Crystal Mangum, has now, for the first time in 19 years, admitted it was all a lie. We knew that. We just never heard her say it.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And by the way, we just got reaction from one of the boys, and I'll read it to you in a minute, one of his lawyers. Um, so we go down to Durham, uh, my producer, uh, Jake Gibson, our photog and I, and we start working sources and it was insane. So many crazy things happened when I was down there. One night we were trying to find her. She was impossible to find. She had gone underground.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
She accused three boys of rape and she went completely underground. No one could find her. No one's even trying to find her cause they just wanted to believe her story and what we did to find her. I mean, we went into the strip club after strip club was hilarious actually. Because we'd walk in, we'd try to act like civilians so they wouldn't mark us as press.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
And I mean, we were two steps into the door of these facilities and they'd say, press. And my team looked at me and said, it's you. said, where are their bread and butter? They would never suspect us as press.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Anyway, we had many funny conversations with these strip club owners where I got my fake strip club stripper name, where we asked the one guy, what, like, what do you think, what would my name be? If we, if we got up here and one of my guys said something like, how about sugar? And he said, white confectioner sugar, which is like the pasting of sugar there is. I don't think it was a compliment.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Anywho, on we go. That's just one memory I have. She was sat down by the police and given a photo lineup of the Duke lacrosse team. That was her allegation. I've been gang raped by Duke lacrosse players. And so they gave her the Duke lacrosse roster, which is not an appropriate lineup at all. That's accepting that it was definitely somebody on the Duke lacrosse team.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Any sane person at the police station would have put in non-Duke lacrosse players, plenty of them, into a bigger lineup and asked her to choose. Well, it turns out she failed even the stacked test that they gave her and was unable to identify anybody. And we would later learn that she went through it at least twice and was unable to identify anybody. And then under pressure...
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She selected one of the team's captains, Dave Evans, who was a senior, and two others. And Colin Finnerty and Reed Seligman were the other big losers of the Crystal Mangum guesses that day. That's Finnerty on the right with the yellow tie, Evans in the middle, and Reed Seligman on the left. Just so you know, they... They almost went to jail for 30 years.
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Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
These three boys almost went to prison for decades. They would still be in prison right now if this woman had her way, if Mike Nifong, the DA, had his way. So the media went wild with it and started reporting the most vile details as though they were true. And I will give the media one crutch here in terms of my criticism of them falling down on the job.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
It is that Mike Nifong actively misled them in the community about what he knew and what he didn't know. He overstepped bounds that prosecutors should never overstep. You know how now the prosecutors are very loath to say anything about a case? They'll charge it, but they'll say, I'm not going to charge it in the press. It's not appropriate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
The prosecutors are supposed to seek justice, not a conviction. There are exceptions. Hi, Fannie. Looking at you. Looking at you, sweetheart. There are exceptions like Fannie Willis. But It's in part due to the sins committed by Mike Nifong, who was out there. We pulled just a couple of them saying things like, we don't have a lot of him on camera, but I'll just read you some of what he said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
I believe a crime occurred. The guilty will stand trial, and there's no doubt a sexual assault took place. The information I have leads me to conclude a rape did occur. It must be dealt with quickly and harshly. The circumstances of the rape indicated a deep racial motivation for some of the things that were done. Keep in mind, it's all fake, okay? We know now for sure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn Kelly Reflects on the Outrageous Duke Lacrosse Case, as the Accuser Finally Admits the Truth | Ep. 965
Totally fucking fake, made up stuff. And the DA is saying there was a rape with a deep racial motivation. It makes a crime that is by its nature, one of the most offensive and invasive, even more so to MSNBC. There's evidence of trauma in the victim's vaginal area that was noted when she was examined by a nurse at the hospital. I'm convinced there was a rape says to ABC local.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday. Have you gotten all your Christmas shopping done yet? I have not. And it is a stressor. It is... I have like... As your kids get older, you don't even really know what to buy. It was so much easier when they were younger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
If George Stephanopoulos had said the judge found that. That the finding Miss Carroll failed to prove that she was raped. within the meaning of the New York penal law, does not mean she failed to prove that Mr. Trump raped her. If they want to say that, which I grant you is far less catchy, they would have been fine. I mean, that's the problem.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They were trying to take this judge, trying to throw... E.G. and Carol a bone, but the judge knew that the judge could not declare Trump a rapist. So it's just kind of like, well, the finding that she didn't fit, that she didn't prove she was raped doesn't mean she failed to prove he raped her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
As many people commonly understand the word rape, like all of this is so fucked up that the judge was doing this at all. Like, what are you talking about? The common understanding of the word rape? There is a statutory definition of the word rape. It was provided to the jury and they checked no when they were asked to decide whether Trump had done that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They check like this is an egregious statement by the judge anyway. But let me tell you, as somebody who does this all the time, talks about legal rulings and things that are dicey about people, we we bend over backwards, bend over backwards to make sure we track the exact language. Because if you don't, that's how you get in trouble.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
We're not perfect either, but if we screw it up, we'll come back on and correct it. We'll come back the next day and say, okay, here's what we meant to say. They never did that. I don't know whether Stephanopoulos had 10 producers in his ear saying over and over, not rape, not rape. I think they didn't say that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
I think they did not do him a solid because they popped up that article that you just pointed out from the Washington Post as like his proof. You see? And so this segment was long. It was like 15 minutes long. That thing pops up and he's like, there, I have it right there because the Washington Post wrote this. And I guarantee you that's his team trying to help him out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Like, yeah, yeah, it's rape. It's rape. And what you really needed was a damn lawyer to say or someone who knows how to read a legal opinion to say that doesn't excuse his statements over and over that a jury found him liable for rape. It's not true. But the thing is, Eliana, they were I guarantee you the whole crew was so gleeful about attaching this word to the vile Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They couldn't help themselves.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You have to prove when you're suing, when you are a public figure claiming that you have been defamed, as Trump was claiming. And by the way, to the point you raised initially, when that happens, as a public figure, people have the highest ability to say bad things about you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
The First Amendment protects speech and it really protects speech about public figures and it really protects speech about political public figures or political acts taken by public figures. It's a political person in the public sphere that has the most protection you can get under the law. So that's why the media generally gets away with saying false things about politicians and
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
as long as it doesn't reach this extremely high standard. And that high standard is it has to be malice. And what is said with malice? And what does that mean? It means with knowledge that it's false. Like I'm knowingly lying about you. I know you weren't found liable for rape. and I'm saying it anyway. Or the more frequent standard is the reckless disregard for its falsity. So you don't care.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They collapsed. They gave in like that and quickly settled the case with President-elect Donald Trump after the network's top star, George Stephanopoulos, had been ruled by the judge to be required to sit for a deposition. He fought it. He didn't want to have to do it. And the judge late last week said, well, you have to. You said a bunch of dumb shit. You've been sued for defamation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
So this is a scenario where this is what got Fox in trouble with Dominion, where Dominion's sending in letter after letter saying this isn't true. There's no evidence for it being true. Here's this that proves it's not true and that that proves it's not true. And all you have on the other side and saying it's true is like the unsupported declarations of Sidney Powell.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
That's how you get to reckless disregard of whether in fact it's true. So it has to be like, really, it can't just be like, I didn't do my homework. That's negligent. That's not reckless. Okay. So the standard is very high. And this is why I think that there were texts and there would be instant messaging between George and the team, all of that. That's all what the anchors use.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And I used it many times too, at Fox and at NBC, where you're corresponding with your, Stephanopoulos guaranteed was corresponding with his producers during that whole segment. And I guarantee you that those communications don't reflect well on anybody and anyone involved. And it could possibly be the team maybe saying it's sexual abuse. It's sexual abuse. And George refusing to acknowledge that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And then perhaps the team finally just realized they weren't going to bend him and threw up that Washington Post article. But whatever it is, it didn't look good for him, Eliana. I think we can agree on that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You mentioned Emily that, um, I think you, you were the one I can't forget whether it was you or the Allian. I think it was, you were talking about the disgusting nature of the interview to begin with, right? There was not a good look for George Stephanopoulos from the start. As I mentioned in my intro going after, um, a rape survivor. She was only 16 when she was raped, Nancy Mace.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And obviously any, any thoughtful person would say that is not the soft spot I want to exploit for purposes of looking tough on my show. I mean, think of the level of douchebaggery. in order to think that'll be a fun way one to really hit her with over and over. And then even in the line of the clip we showed, you have to answer, fuck off. I am here as a courtesy to you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
I don't have to do anything. You don't like my answers. Don't invite me back. I don't have to do what you tell me. All of it is so... He's such a bully. And all the statements and the approach are evidence of what an arrogant prick bully he is, how he treated her, how he spoke about Trump, how he came after her with his demands to do it the way he insisted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And here is a little bit just to remind the audience of that dynamic as he aggressively went after Nancy Mason, sought one.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Okay. By the way, let's just show them the jury form. Okay. Oh, you heard it over and over been found liable for rape who a jury found liable for rape. Here's the jury verdict form. I can't read that, but I remember that it says, did he commit, um, rape? And you can see, we highlighted here. It says no. And then they say, did he commit sexual assault? And it says yes. But look at that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
I've refused to get rid of this case thus far. And you must sit like any other defendant, you privileged whatever. you must sit for a deposition and answer questions from Trump's lawyer. Trump, earlier in the case, had said, I'll sit for deposition, but not right now because I'm running for president, so I'm kind of busy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
I mean, it's clear as day. This is what the jury found and Stephanopoulos would not adhere to it. Emily, so yeah, speak to the dynamic of the overall exchange.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Exactly right. And then, so that happened in March of 2024, that segment. And by the way, just in case people have forgotten, Bill Clinton was accused multiple times by multiple women of sexual abuse, assault, and rape. And who defended him? George Stephanopoulos at every turn.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
far more. George Stephanopoulos created a whole war room to defend Bill Clinton. So for him to sit there and look at Nancy Mace and say, how could you support a rape defendant, a rapist, someone found liable for rape? How could you support somebody like that? The only thing missing from Nancy Mace's great response was, how could you, George Stephanopoulos,
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You ran a whole war room trying to tear down those. Don't lecture me on what's going to stop rape victims from coming forward.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
But what's going to stop them is people like you and your buddies for Bill Clinton who insulted them, called them trailer trash and unleashed the greatest legal teams in the country against these poor women who had absolutely no means to fight for their dignity and to protect themselves and from other women's against your predator boss. OK, so just stop anyway.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
George Stephanopoulos was not called out that way. He's been called out by people like us, but this is the first time he's really had to own up for his terrible behavior in one of the many ways it was terrible. Two months after he was with Mace in March of 2024, he goes on Colbert, which is on Arrival Network, CBS, and look at this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And the judge gave him a delay, but the judge also looked at Trump and said, you must sit too. You got a little time on your hands. I'm aware of your job. So Trump was going to have to sit too. But Trump, we know, is willing. Trump sat when he was getting sued by E. Jean Carroll. Remember, that's that famous...
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Okay. So what's so galling about that, Eliana, is as you well know, when you're involved in litigation, you know, like if I get involved in litigation, I would never... make a comment out about it publicly because it's stupid. It's estupido. You don't do it because it can come back to haunt you. And it was absolutely foolish for him to go. But you know why he did? He knows that for sure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
The ABC lawyers told him that he had swagger around this. He was like, I know I'm only four foot two, but I'm going to take down the president. F you, big man. I'm George Stephanopoulos. He's got the Napoleon complex and he felt the need to try to act like a tough guy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They could have avoided this whole thing if the very next week on his show, he went out and said, I would like to apologize to President Trump. It totally stated the following things. Those things were not true. This is what I should have said. That's it. That shows a potential jury or judge. You didn't have actual malice in your heart. You did your best to correct the record.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
It doesn't necessarily totally exonerate you, but as a practical matter, it does. And instead, you had him out there again, little Napoleon trying to show how tough he was. Because, you know, he obviously had something to prove. Oh, and by the way, so he made their comments in March. In May, he goes on Colbert. In July, ABC News' motion to dismiss this case was denied. Denied.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They tried to get it dismissed on the papers, and the judge said no. They have stated a claim. This can be seen through to discovery. So that was July. Hello, folks. We're knocking on the door of Christmas and Hanukkah right now. So we're in December. So if once they lost the motion to dismiss, they easily could have settled it then, you know, we know what comes next discovery.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
He's like, you, for example, would never be my type. She said, did you say you can grab women by the, you know what, and they'll let you do it and you're in a star? And he said, well, for thousands of years, that's been true. Unfortunately, or fortunately, that was Trump sitting for a deposition in a civil lawsuit that was against him. So he will do it. But George Stephanopoulos would not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
We got to turn over our texts, our documents. We are definitely going to have to give George over. They knew that producers on the show are going to have to give an over for deposition that we're going to have motion practice and possibly a trial. So they didn't even let it get... They let it go through. I assume they had discovery where papers were exchanged.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
They would have had to in order to have George's deposition ordered. You can't take somebody's deposition without having seen any of the papers or the texts or anything behind it. And I assume that happened. And now he was about to have to sit. I really think... It's something about George sitting was what made them fold because it's not unprecedented for talent to have to sit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You know, we saw it at Fox news that the Murdoch sat at the, in the Fox news dominion case, Rupert Murdoch sat, um, not all the talent sat, but talent have sat in these losses. Jake Tapper, you point out he sat, but George Stephanopoulos sat. would not sit. And there's a reason for that, my friend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Meantime, Emily, here is a taste of the media meltdown around this as they're getting the vapors over any sort of white flag being waved at Donald Trump, SOC 24.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Okay, first of all, if George Stephanopoulos bent the knee, we'd be looking at a Lilliputian. I'm like, where'd George go?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
What happened to George? You have to stand up straighter. Even straighter. Get straighter. We have to go super tall, Emily, now that ABC News is cave. The rest of us have to be even mightier to stand up against the giant.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
No acknowledgement. They did the wrong thing. Why don't they just get a lawyer before they have these discussions to advise them?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
He got the order that he would have to testify under oath and they refused. caved. They collapsed. They gave in and cried uncle. It's sad because I would have loved to have read that deposition transcript. You guys are probably familiar with the absolutely disgusting interview that led to all of this with George Stephanopoulos.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Remember this?
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ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Oh my God. Facts first, it reads. CNN.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Yeah, personally done at his request, reportedly. So, yeah, I guess that's not how the jury saw it. They saw... They saw an apple and it was George Stephanopoulos who saw a banana. That's really what happened. He saw the banana. He saw the banana being misused in ways the jury did not. And this jury was not on the same page.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
It's really amazing to watch it all go down and to watch the suffering, Jim Acosta and Brian Stelter, not saying this is a moment to reflect on how to be more careful. And you know what would be a great idea? Bring in a defamation attorney to educate all of us So that we don't make a similar mistake. Instead, it's they bent the knee. The rest of us have to stand stronger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And you know what I think should happen now, especially given that and sort of this reaction across the left wing media, I think Trump should start writing letters to the people at MSNBC. who called him a rapist over and over and over. I mean, now he's got a settlement for $15 million. It's going to his presidential library. And they had to pay attorney's fees, a million bucks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And they had to issue an apology and a statement on their reporting, admitting that it was false. If I were Trump, I'd be having my lawyer do a LexisNexis search for all the people who said in a factual way. I mean, you could say, I believe he's a rapist or it's obvious to me he raped her. Right. That's all fine. That's opinion. But you cannot say, as Stephanopoulos did, he is a rapist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
He raped E. Jean Carroll. That's defamatory. So if I were Trump, I would spread the pain around.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
No, it's not. Let me tell you something. This is why we did a long episode that we released over the weekend about how the Duke lacrosse case, you know, the fake rape case unfolded and collapsed and how it was really the beginning of what we now call wokeness in the media, the way they covered these stories, how they choose a side based on skin color, potentially class, privilege, and gender.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
We did a big episode on this because he had on Congresswoman Nancy Mace back in the spring. And remember, he was disgusted that this rape victim could back It was someone who he kept claiming had been found liable for rape. That was the defamatory statement over and over and over. And we pointed out that that was false.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And how they never learned. Even though that case blew up in their faces, they just never learned. They doubled and tripled down and so on. It's a good episode. You guys should listen to it. I actually got some sweet notes about it from the players' families. So... We did that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And we were pointing out that the media that that's the reason that this alternative ecosystem was born, you know, the digital lane. And I said on the show, necessity is the mother of all invention. You know, people just they realized over time and Trump really helped how dishonest the media was and is and just demanded someplace else to go.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
and then bit by bit, it started populating, and they fled. They fled the mainstream, so-called mainstream, in incredible numbers. Like, the GMA is cratering in the ratings. We've talked about MSNBC now regularly getting... I mean, slashies in the demo, which is below 50,000, slashies is true shame, shame, shame.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You would never want to look the boss in the face if you've gotten slashies under 50,000 in the 25 to 54-year-old. That's what sets your advertising rates. And the collapse in the overall is what goes to how much your cable subscribers are going to renew your deal for. How much are they going to pay to have MSNBC or CNN on their lineup? Less this go round than they did the last, that's for sure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Because the power of these networks is diminishing quickly. So they're going to lose money in advertising and they're going to lose money in their subscription fees that they get. And then you look at what's happening in our lane. And my executive producer, Steve Krakar, said this to me just recently because we keep an eye on our numbers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
It made news back in July when our YouTube feed beat the YouTube feed of NBC News, CBS News, the BBC, Sky News, and many others, okay? It made news, made national news. November, which was a presidential election, as you know, not just for Megyn Kelly, but for all those same organizations. As far as I know, CNN and all these others made a big deal out of the presidential election, too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
In November alone, We just on our YouTube, this does not count Sirius XM audience. This does not count a podcast, our podcast audience. It does not count social media audience, just YouTube. In one month, we had 194 million and a half, 194 million views. Okay. Almost 200 million people were watching this show in November. Think about it. How did the others do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
NBC News, we crushed them by 50 million. CNN, they beat us by, we had two thirds of their audience when we last looked at it in July. We had two thirds of what they were getting on YouTube. CNN, we killed them this time. They lost to us too. They got 155. We beat them by 40 million. I could go on. I mean, all the mainstream, you know, uh, nets, they lost to us. That's all of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
All there's that's, that's Jake Tapper. That's Anderson Cooper. That's the 9 PM lady who never smiles. That's the morning show. That's all of them. All of them together. lost to just this show. Yay. Good for us. I'm happy to have a victory lab. I won't lie, but it's really not about that. The point I'm raising is they're collapsing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
And my God, I shudder to think what's going to happen this month when all their audiences fled. That was when their audience's interest was at its peak. Our numbers are still very strong. So are Fox's. Anyway, the point is, how can this model continue, Emily? How can they How can these anchors continue to be paid these mega millions dollar sums?
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And I believe we even suggested that Trump should sue him, but that he, that that was completely false. inaccurate, wrong, and it was liable. And we focused on the fact that he thought it would be super fun and really, like, make him look good to go after a rape survivor, Nancy Mace, and really twist her facts and her words in her face. Like... If you were raped, how could you support a rapist?
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Rachel Maddow took a pay cut for her one hour a week from 30 million to 25 million a year. But there is just no way that this business model can be sustained for much longer.
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Yeah, they don't get it. We played that soundbite last week of Leslie Stahl talking to Peggy Noonan like, I don't know why this is happening. Why? Why is the legacy media collapsing? Hello, Leslie, you should come on. I will explain it to you. I'd be happy to. There's a lot of examples at CBS News.
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Anyway, um, God bless everyone. And I hope it's going better for you than it is for me.
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And by the way, you know, ABC News, this is just the latest, you know, that we're talking about, like an extreme... There was a day not long ago where that hot mess that they air in the mornings called The View had to issue not one, not two, not three, but four corrections, legal corrections, four legal notes. We only have three of them on camera, but look at this. Sorry, everyone.
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Not to mention what they did at that debate, where once again... They tried to fact check only one side. And then when their fact checks got back checked, they cowered. They cowered in fear. I mean, this is a pattern with them. They're lucky it was only 15 million. We're not done with the media. Trump has just announced he's suing another outlet. We'll talk about who it is.
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You claim you're a rape victim. How could a rape victim support a rape? Great. Great positioning. You're idiots. Stephanopoulos is an idiot and so are his producers. Because let me tell you, in all my years at Fox, never mind my shorts did in NBC, the producers have a couple of main jobs. One is to arm the anchor with facts. Fail. Fail. Okay, fail there. And two is to protect the anchor.
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Here's Steve Schmidt from the discredited, vile Lincoln Project on the Stephanopoulos ABC News settlement. Quote, the pace of capitulation will increase. And along with it, a deep freeze will settle over most of America's newsrooms. End quote. Well, I've got news for you, Steve Schmidt.
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If Trump winning against ABC News or getting them to settle in that case causes a deep freeze in any given newsroom, then they're doing the news wrong. Because those of us who cover him and the other side fairly have no fear whatsoever. I mean... All you can do is your best to remain factual and to label opinion as such. No one's perfect. ABC News isn't expected to be perfect.
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But when they screw up or any other newsroom screws up, you're expected to own it. And the law acknowledges that. Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today's show is brought to you by Grand Canyon University. GCU believes the American dream starts with purpose and can help you fulfill your sacred calling. Find your purpose. Visit gcu.edu.
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And if you go to GCU, I bet you learn a little bit about the First Amendment, or at least have the opportunity to, and should understand that while it's vast and very protective of speech, It is not complete. There are exceptions to your abilities to say certain things. And you may not defame someone. And the standard for defamation is very, very high.
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You will not be found liable unless you breach it. ABC News was not found liable. They settled this case. Because they knew, they knew either what they did was wrong, what they said on paper or when they put George under oath was going to be extremely embarrassing, or that the risk was simply too great in proceeding to trial. Back with me now, Emily Jashinsky, D.C.
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correspondent for UnHerd and Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Press. Beacon. Okay, here's more. Brian Stelter. ABC News settled Donald Trump's defamation suit against the network and George Stephanopoulos because this problem needed to go away, an ABC executive remarked, on condition of anonymity. Ooh, big scoop. Okay.
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V goes on, but, but the speculation about why ABC agreed to settle and why now and why at such expense is not going away. This is not a scoop. This is nothing because it needed to go. Hello.
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You protect the anchor. And so if the anchor is out there saying something colossally stupid, usually if you have a great producer, they'll get in your ear to say, no, it's this. No, it's that. Be careful. That happens with me all the time on this show.
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The light bulb went off. Here is something that just happened. Trump is down at Mar-a-Lago as you know, and, um, Just announced another lawsuit that's coming, not against a media figure, but against Iowa pollster Ann Seltzer. Listen to this.
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Okay, just correcting there. It looks like they're going to file it against the Des Moines Register, the paper for which Ann Seltzer works, and not necessarily her personally, but obviously it's all based on her. By the way, just a thing for the viewers. You heard Trump there say, and in my opinion, it's fraud. In my opinion, it was fraud. Why does he say that? Why does he add that phrase?
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Because he understands what the legal limits are. If he says they committed fraud... And they didn't. They could sue him. That's what he's worried. So he couches it as opinion, which is protected by the First Amendment. And if George Stephanopoulos had said, in my opinion, he raped her, he would have been protected, too. He can say that.
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He cannot go out there and say a jury found him civilly liable for rape because that's a factual statement. And his statement was not factual. So you heard him there outlining his cases there. He just settled the one with ABC. He's got one against now coming, I guess, against the Des Moines register about that poll that he says was fraudulent. And then you heard him reference there.
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He's also suing 60 million or 60 minutes for 10 billion. Is for their editing of the Kamala Harris interview. And there is another lawsuit against the Pulitzer Prize Committee for its behavior around the honor it gave the New York Times for its coverage of the Russia hoax. And while that third one sounded the most absurd to me, it's just survived motion practice.
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A judge refused to throw it out on the papers. And it's as crazy as it sounds, like David Axelrod just sent out a tweet describing it as he's suing the Pulitzer Committee for honoring the Times coverage of Russian election interference. That's not exactly right. He's actually suing the Pulitzer Committee for its own statements about its decision to honor the Times.
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My producers, the ones who run heard on various segments that I'm doing, if they realize I've said something inaccurate or that I'm searching for a factor constantly in my ears is why I wear these headphones to say it's this or it's that this whole thing that you're watching and listening to is a team effort.
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It was asked to do a review by Trump, who was complaining, saying, why are you honoring them? Everything they reported turned out to be fake. And they did a review and they came back and said, and I'm reading here, the separate reviews, we conducted reviews, the separate reviews converged in their conclusions.
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colon, that no passages or headlines, contentions, or assertions in any of the winning submissions were discredited by facts that emerged subsequent to the conferral of the prizes. And Trump's contention is that's absolutely wrong. There were many, many facts that emerged to show the New York Times had it dead wrong on the Russia hoax. And you saying that was a further defamation.
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You, the prize committee, defamed me. That's fair game. That's not just, hey, you shouldn't have given the honor to them. That would not be a good lawsuit. So there's the Pulitzer Prize one. The, the lawsuit against 60 minutes, I will say right here is laughable and should go away. It is absurd.
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They are dishonest and should be shamed, but it's not illegal to make an edit that helps one candidate versus another. I, that one's going nowhere. In my opinion, don't know about the judge in the case. Maybe it's a Trump friendly guy that could get him passed around or two, but this, that that's not going anywhere. In any event,
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The way the media is going to take this, Eliana, is it's an all out assault. It's retribution. And what I see is a litigious guy who is continuing in his litigious nature and doing what he's always done. Sue people who say nasty things about him.
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And 10 times that, 100 times that on ABC broadcast news and a Sunday show like the one George Stephanopoulos sits for. Partisan hack. He's been there a long time. It doesn't make him any more respectable. He's a partisan hack. He started off as a partisan hack and he remains one. He's just too ball-less to own his partisan nature.
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I believe, I'm trying to look this up here, I believe the lawsuit against CBS News, which is based on an allegation that they somehow committed consumer fraud by submitting a dishonestly edited interview with Kamala Harris, is in a Texas state court, which would be very helpful to Trump. And I believe, if I'm not confusing my lawsuits, that it's in front of a Trump-appointed judge.
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I'll go back and look at that, but I'm pretty sure... Yeah, it's in Texas and it's in front of a Trump judge. So that's probably what they're banking on. And CBS News is saying this case should be bounced to New York, where we are based and where we committed this alleged offense and where we can get a more left wing judge that maybe Trump did not appoint. So, yeah, no.
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I mean, by the way, plaintiffs forum shop all the time where they try to file the lawsuit in the jurisdiction most favorable to them. We'll see how all these play out. Look, all these organizations have more money than God.
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They can easily they have lawyers on staff, general counsels and so on, and they can use some of their profits that they've earned in defaming and maligning Trump unfairly for all these years to hire outside counsel to handle these things. Right. Like these are two sophisticated parties suing one another. Right. Like Trump is a sophisticated party. CBS News is a sophisticated party.
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And so is ABC News. And so is the Pulitzer Prize Committee. They can they can handle this litigation. He's trying to send a message. And by the way, I mean, like, it'd be nice if you could get some of the people who called you Hitler. But the problem is that's opinion. No one said, as a matter of fact, he's Hitler. So that one, you know, you can get away with.
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Yeah, like he's Hitler incarnate. He's actual Hitler. I think that's actually going to be really interesting. And I actually don't think this is going to cow the news rooms from negative coverage of Trump. It's their bread and butter. It's their oxygen. They won't know how to speak. If it's not for that. And some people are like, well, they've already been calmer. They've already been calmer.
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You know, you know why they've been calmer? Because Trump's not doing anything. There's very little to talk about right now. You just wait. You just wait until Trump gets back in office. None of these news organizations is going to be saying, well, he won the popular vote. Well, he has a mandate.
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Well, you know, we're going to we're going to back off because we want to get Republican viewers watching. That's not going to happen. They're going to go back to their normal Trump derangement syndrome selves and do what they normally do. And it's not like they defame him every day. What Stephanopoulos did there was really egregious.
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And if you don't go to that level on your defamation, he probably will ignore you. But if you do what he did, you can and should defame. be sued. That one is totally fair. So I don't, I don't predict a chilling effect. I think they love bashing him too much. Oh, great. Is this, let me just ask my team a question. Is this, is this on the record that is this readable out loud? Yes. Okay. Sorry.
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He wants us to believe that he's straight and narrow now, notwithstanding all those years helping Bill Clinton. And the irony of him going after a rape supporter in that way, how could you support a rape supporter? My God, the nerve to support a rape committer. After his years running the war room, tearing down Bill Clinton's sexual assault accusers, I mean, it's just rich.
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So we, as I said at the top of the show, reached out to Trump's lawyer in connection with the settlement with ABC News and the $15 million. And okay, just making sure, hold on. Sorry, forgive me because we don't normally let this play out live on the air, but I'm just getting it. Making sure this is on the record, not just on background before I read anything. Okay. We've, we've got to find out.
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We've got to find out. Forgive me. We don't want to commit similar sins to our, the colleagues we've been ripping on, but to the extent we can read it, we will, uh, in just a minute. Okay. Here's what we should do. We're going to put a pin in that. We'll get back to it, but let's move on to Clarissa Ward because I don't know if you gals saw the reporting. Did you see it, Emily? You're smiling.
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Okay. It was indelible. So for the audience members who didn't hear us talk about this with Hugh on Friday, and you should, because we went back and we really deconstructed that moment. Clarissa Ward of CNN walked into what was supposed to be a prison in Syria with some handler who was associated with the new Al Qaeda movement. adjacent group that's just taken over Syria.
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And her handler walked into the prison with her. And one of Bashar al-Assad's prisoners was still in prison. She said everything was open. All the cells were open and the people had like left, but there was one that was locked. And so she said, we had the guy shoot off the lock on this one cell. They made us turn off our cameras and
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the cameras go off and then they open the cell after this guy has now shot off the lock and they walk into the cell, which looks pristine, pristine, except for one blanket neatly laid out. You don't see anything. I don't know what's off camera to be fair, but I didn't see a bucket of human waste or human waste or anything. There's certainly no trash, no clothes, no, no debris anywhere.
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Looks clean. Um, Underneath the blanket emerges a man after several like, hello, hello, hello, hello. He's lying there. Then finally he emerges like a Phoenix. Hello. And Clarissa Ward represents that this is like, oh my God, it's a prisoner. Look, we found somebody. And then it gets very dramatic and she holds him. You're okay. You're okay. You're okay. You're okay.
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Meanwhile, she's not speaking Arabic, which she says she does speak. She's speaking English to the guy. Okay. And she says that this is one of Assad's prisoners. Then we see them outside. And she's like rubbing his back. There he is. And look how clean his outfit is. He doesn't have a scuff on him. He doesn't have dirt on him. His fingernails are clean. His hand is shaking, supposedly.
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He says he's been in jail for three or four months and he's been in captivity without food or water for four days. Looks fine. Doesn't squint when he first sees the sun. We don't know. Well... Some online sleuths noticed a lot of these things.
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And by the way, we also reported that when Clarissa gave her report to Jake Tapper after the fact, she said she offered him her cell phone so he could call his family. And his response was like, no. She said he was too in shock to call his family. I think we're probably wondering where the guy was for four months. Probably wondering dead or alive, but like... didn't take the offer.
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So now the whole thing has cost him his reputation and his company $15 million. Okay, we're going to get into all of this. There's more on the media front, not only with him, but also here. Do you remember the story we brought to you on Friday with Hugh Hewitt in which we questioned CNN's Clarissa Ward's report about allegedly stumbling into this dramatic rescue of a Syrian war prisoner? Yes.
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All this stuff is suspicious and made it look very much like Clarissa and her brethren at CNN were used to dump out a little propaganda to the rest of us, which is a sin, especially in this line of reporting. It's the number one risk.
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You know, after getting shot, it's the number one thing you worry about as a foreign correspondent, that some group is going to use you in a clever way where you become their mouthpiece unwillingly. And now the There was a reporter who has been in captivity twice in Syria who was like, this stinks to high heaven. Syrian prisons are as dirty and messed up and covered with debris as you can get.
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And this doesn't smell or look right. And now we find out that they've done more investigating the sleuths. And the name that Clarissa Ward and CNN attributed to this guy was not correct. It did not prove to be true. The sleuths have been looking into this. It is not the man she said it was. And now CNN has been forced to conduct an investigation.
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You can email me Megan at megankelly.com. And, um, before the week is through, I'll offer you some of the ideas I have come up with. Maybe we can share and contrast. In any event, today we start with this delicious news. I mean, you never see, you never see these media organizations held to account for their vile lies they tell about Donald Trump. I mean, it's rare to see it happen at all.
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They've launched an investigation to see what happened here. Eliana, I feel like we kind of know what happened.
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Wow. So what was he doing in the cell? Like if that's true, I can see him wanting to pretend he was a prisoner of Assad's as opposed to an alleged torturer who was working on behalf of Assad. But he would not have been locked up by Assad in a jail for four months. You know, one presumes if this is all if this is the nature of the relationship.
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So we even if that's true, Emily, we don't know why he was in this cell with a lock on it and what the game was.
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Mm hmm. Eliana, the statement, this is per the rap, is CNN to the rap. We have subsequently been investigating his background and are aware that he may have given a false identity. Then they say no one other than the CNN team. Thank you. We reported the scene as it unfolded, including what the prisoner told us with clear attribution.
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He's there under the blanket and there's no bucket for waste that we can see. And he's as clean as I am sitting on this set, even though he says he's been behind bars for three months and five or four days without food or water. And he's not blinded when he sees the sun and all sorts of weird things. Well, there's an update.
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We have subsequently been investigating his background and are aware that he may have given a false identity. We are continuing our reporting into this and the wider story. On Sunday, it was verify... I think it's short for Syria, a website that describes itself as an independent and unbiased platform specializing in fact-checking in Syria that cast doubt on the man's claim.
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The website's writer, Abdul Salam al-Hamwi, wrote that the man, who identified himself as Abdel Garbal from Homs, claimed he had been in prison for three months and then he got into some of the facts that suggest that's not how that looked at all. at all. Then they searched for records for a man named Adele Garble, could not find any.
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Instead, they claim he's actually this man named Salama Mohamed Salama, who's also known as Abu Hamza, a first lieutenant in the Syrian Air Force intelligence who is well known for his behavior. And it goes on to some of the details that you already offered. Here's the thing. You're kind of in the business of checking those things out. If you're CNN and you're Clarissa Ward,
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It's really not like that big a sacrifice to take an extra day. No one's like going to beat you to that story to kick the tires and figure out whether this guy really is who he says he is. And CNN also has has reporters and producers all around the world, I'm sure, including in Syria. So do you think this is a case of just negligence downsizing?
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If, if in fact they, well, they've already been embarrassed because they reported the wrong name from, from their own admission, negligence downsizing, or just too good a story, Emily, like it's just too good. She, they, they, their star reporter looks like the next Christiane Amanpour. Let's do this thing.
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Joining me now today for the full show, the EJs, Emily Jashinsky, DC correspondent for Unheard and host of Undercurrents, and Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches. For those of us who have been holding our breath for the past several months, we can finally exhale in the wake of this presidential election, right?
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And like, you know, it could be an even bigger story. Like, oh, my God, we found an alleged torturer. Like, has he been hiding? What did he have a fallout with his side? Why is he in this prison? Was he really in this prison? Was he placing the diddy fool the rebels into doing like if I were CNN, I'd be like, this is like, let's get to the bottom of it before you hit air.
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Let's get to the bottom of what really happened there. It's even more interesting if you go to air with, here's what happened as it unfolded. Then we found out he was lying to us. This is who we found out he is.
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Like, that's a great story, but it doesn't really support the narrative that Clarissa, Mother Teresa, went in there and rescued the poor, sad little man who hadn't eaten and rubbed his back. I'm telling you, it's like, is this the same network that let Chris Cuomo come out of that basement and pretend that he hadn't been out, right? We all knew he'd been out. We've seen the reports.
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He was out fighting with his neighbors during COVID. But then they let him do his dramatic, like, Mary Ingalls. Pa, I can see. I can see. Actually, it was I can't see. Anyway, okay, back to the Trump settlement with ABC News. We have now made sure we can read what I was about to read. Okay, so our producer spoke with Trump's attorney, Alejandro Brito, and here is what he said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Our question was, why did ABC decide to settle? The long and short of it is the nature of the claims that were brought and the fact that they were verifiable from a standpoint as factually untrue from George Stephanopoulos. Trump's legal team had separate video clips of George Stephanopoulos on ABC that showed Stephanopoulos knew that Trump had not been found liable for rape.
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This was not a situation where there was simply a misunderstanding of Um, George Stephanopoulos interviewed E. Jean Carroll after the trial on his show. And we had video of his questions to Carol. And when he asked her how she felt after Stephanopoulos said Trump was not liable for rape, juxtapose that with his questioning of Mace. That's very interesting. It's a good point.
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We actually, uh, we should go back and pull that.
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Was there something, this is us, in discovery that scared ABC into settling? Answer, the possibility of something coming out in discovery may have had led to the settlement. Trump legal team had scheduled to take the deposition of ABC and ABC rep and George Stephanopoulos. The lawyer suspects ABC did not want it to happen.
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Quote, it wasn't something ABC learned that caused them to settle, but rather something Trump's team may learn, he said. End quote. Our question, had they already exchanged documents? To my point of normally you exchange texts and papers before you sit for the deposition. He said that there had been minimal document exchange and discovery.
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Trump team was waiting on ABC and Stephanopoulos to respond to discovery demands. He said at the time of the settlement, ABC had only, quote, produced one piece of paper. End quote. Very interesting. And not provided any other documentation. He believes fear of what Trump could learn about ABC and Stephanopoulos and document exchange may have played a role in the settlement.
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That's very interesting. So they had handed over one piece of paper. They had not turned over the texts or the instant messages or the oh shit exchanges when they got the lawsuit or any of that stuff. And they were about to have to. they panicked, understandably. And now we'll never know what was in those documents, but spare us the, oh, poor news organizations.
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How will they ever cover the news now, Eliana, right? It's like, I stand by everything I've written down with my team. Every word I've said on this show, no one's perfect, but I could defend all of it in court. Something stinks at ABC News.
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Work can finally be done on the major issues that this country's facing, and one of the most significant is our national debt. Look, the fact is our nation's broke, and that debt is a house of cards that cannot be quickly dismantled by anyone. So the strategy remains the same when it comes to your investments. You might wanna diversify your savings.
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Yeah. No trial in that one, though. Um, okay. Let's shift gears for a moment because I want to spend a minute on, um, the WNBA and Caitlin Clark. You guys saw that speaking of bend the knee, she did not look like a Lilliputian when she did it. She's tall, a tall lady. And she decided to go woke. And when Time Magazine made her athlete of the year, she accepted.
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She was fine going into the spotlight and saying, yeah, thank you. I love to be on your cover and my sexy outfit. Let's do this thing. interview me in my sexy plunging dress. I do like the spotlight. It feels good to be in front of the camera. Okay, fine. I have no problem with that. However, I do when you get out there and you say, but I feel really bad about it.
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I'm very sad I'm here because I'm so white. I'm Time Magazine so white. And I really wish you were paying attention to the black players. That's my true wish. If you could just stop looking at me under the Klieg lights and look over there at the black players. That's what I really want from you, Time Magazine.
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And then she went on to talk about how it's my truth and her white privilege and all that. So, okay. So did the bending of the knee... I mean, I have a soundbite that I want to play for you, and it involves the owner, I believe, of the Mystics, which is, yeah, co-owner Sheila Johnson. She owns a different team, the Mystics, within the WNBA.
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And I really think... I was very critical of Caitlin Clark for doing this. Maybe... Maybe what she said really will win over the WNBA that's been bullying her mercilessly because she's white and earning. Maybe I was just too dense to see it. And Caitlyn is very clever. And actually, the league is really going to get behind her now and say, you know what? She is the best.
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She earned this honor.
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ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
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Totally.
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ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
Right. Hello. It's like 2020 called and they want their commentary back. Eliana, Caitlin Clark is 22 and hasn't yet learned the lesson that bending the knee to the woke mob does not produce better results in one's life. It doesn't. Nothing good will come from it.
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ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
You will alienate your fan base that does not want to see you buy into their bullshit narratives about race or white privilege in the WNBA. And you will gain absolutely no grace or quarter from your critics who are not persuadable.
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It's a good point. It's a good point. No, I mean, they're obviously saying that the only reason people want to watch Caitlin is that she's white. They're excited because she's white. And I think the record seems pretty clear. They're excited to watch Caitlin because she's great.
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I'm sorry, but if she really just wants the spotlight to be on the deserving black players who surround her and on whose backs this league was built, then you shouldn't have taken the honor. Then you should have said, make the WNBA the team of the year, the league of the year. What I don't need right now is an additional singled out honor. That's what she should have done.
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You can't have it both ways. She wants the attention. She wants to be in the spotlight. And then she wants to just throw a bone to the girls who were rejected. And so it doesn't come as any surprise to me that they don't want her discarded bones and that this did nothing to appease them and actually probably infuriated all of us. We'll see. Okay.
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ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
So, ladies, have you seen a drone yet? Not yet. No, nothing? I have to tell you. Not seen them in Northern Virginia. I got some friends in Connecticut who have seen something. Like people are checking their ring cameras, their footage, and seeing mysterious items. They're all over New Jersey now. The sightings have been New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Virginia.
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But John Kirby, Pentagon spokesperson, maintains there's nothing to see here. And if there is, we don't know what it is, but there's nothing to worry about. He goes on with Martha McCallum and this happens.
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Are you enjoying the ABC meltdown and collapse as much as the surrender in this case as much as I am?
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bullshit. Those are lies. You can tell those are lies. One after the other, we're being misled that I think we're pretty clear on. And, you know, first it was, you're not seeing what you're, what you think you're saying that they're not out there. People are making it up. Then it was, Oh, they're fixed wing air aircraft.
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And then, you know, the, the Maryland governor came out and said, hello, we saw drones and, you know, person after person, credible, credible, credible witness after it came out and said, these are drones. Stop it. Just stop it right now. And now it's okay, they're there, but we don't know what they are. But they said, oh, there's nothing to worry about.
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And then the New Jersey lawmakers came out and said, no, you can't say that. We don't know what they are. How can you tell us we don't know whether we have cause to worry? And then you saw him dancing there. And now here's a man named John Ferguson. He's CEO, he says, of a drone manufacturing company in Kansas. He went viral over the weekend.
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We have not independently confirmed John Ferguson, but this guy's everywhere right now with his theory.
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Okay, I did not know that a drone could sniff. That is news to me. Okay. I've heard a few different theories along this line. Like they're out there running a PSYOP, like seeing how the public would react if and when they really are needed to respond to, for example, a dirty bomb or the detection of one that they actually are trying to detect, whether something has been released or
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And that's why they don't want to tell us because it would cause a panic, which would be incredibly criminally negligent, right? To allow people to be whatever. These are all just theories that are being bandied about. We have absolutely no idea. That's the truth, Eliana.
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As Judge Judy always says, it didn't make sense. And if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. It doesn't make sense, Emily, that we can't shoot down one of these reportedly hundreds of drones to see what the hell it is. Like she says, some of them are over the water. We absolutely could shoot one down.
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You're going to tell me the military wouldn't shoot down something that could possibly be a threat to national security or the lives of Americans when we don't know what the hell could be for and released? Bullshit. No one believes that. that. What I believe is the government knows full well what they are, and it has its reasons for not telling us.
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We just don't know what they are yet, but we should find out. Here's Trump on what should happen here.
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He sounds genuinely like he might not know, even though he's getting security briefings already, Emily.
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Here is New Jersey Republican state Senator John Bramnick. Listen.
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Good point, Eliana.
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I just feel like they must know. They must know because it's been going on for so long. They must be complicit. There's no way... How would it be going on this long if they didn't know what it was and hadn't ascertained that they want it or that it's not going to hurt anybody? That doesn't seem possible to me. The question is, why won't they tell us? That's my question.
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Ladies, that's for another day. Great to see you both. Thank you. Thanks, Megan. Thanks, Megan. We're back tomorrow with Mark Halperin and crew. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
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You know, the thing that got them in trouble, Eliana, was he went out there, repeatedly said that a jury had found him liable for rape, which is not what happened. A jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse. And they said no on the rape charge. Then the judge wrote up his, like, interpretation of what happened. Obviously, this judge was not a Trump fan.
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And the judge, Lewis Kaplan, wrote as follows after the fact when Trump was seeking a new trial. The judge wrote the finding that Miss Carroll failed to prove that she was raped within the meaning of New York penal law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump raped her. As many people commonly understand the word rape.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay, nobody even understands what that means other than this judge wanted someone to see the word rape and Trump's name in a headline. But the fact remains the jury's verdict is the jury's verdict and no judge can change it with words after the fact or their post verdict interpretation. The judge can throw it out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
ABC Pays Trump Millions to Settle, and Government Deflects About "Drone" Truth, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 966
The judge can lower the charge potentially by throwing a charge out, but he can't increase the charge. from sexual abuse to rape. It's not a possibility, neither this judge nor any other. And the bottom line is Trump was not found liable for rape by this jury. And despite that fact, George Stephanopoulos went out on the air in that interview and sounded like this sought to.
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And trust me, as a media figure, I'm not clamoring to see media figures get sued for defamation for mild sins or even moderate sins. But this was just so egregious. And they did it over and over and over again at ABC News. They didn't care. They clearly enjoyed saying what George Stephanopoulos said. It made them feel good about themselves. This is George Stephanopoulos's
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's why he's now having to pay $15 million, or his news organization is, Eliana. So what do you make of it?
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But, you know, what what they also skipped was the motion for summary judgment phase, because that's filed after you get depositions from each side. What normally would happen is they take Stephanopoulos' deposition, they take Trump's deposition and whoever else's that they wanted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then you get all your deposition transcripts ready and you file as the defendant a motion for summary judgment, meaning give me a win here, judge. and dismiss this defamation claim against ABC without a trial. Because here, you can see right here that everyone admits the judge said this. But the problem is that they didn't do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So they wanted to get out of this before they even had that serious shot at getting it dismissed altogether by the judge. They, which tells me They didn't want him sitting for deposition. That's why they paid the $15 million. That, plus they were probably, yes, a bit on bended knee because they're afraid of Trump.
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Not so much in his capacity as a plaintiff, but in his capacity as the president-elect. And they need him. ABC News needs to have a relationship with him. This is no way to do it, to continue to lie about him, to maintain that your lies were justified.
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You were allowed to tell them, notwithstanding the fact that it is indisputable he was not found liable by a jury for rape, as Stephanopoulos said over and over, Emily.
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I'll just leave the dirty teen joke there, that that's how he feels about saying nasty things about Trump. And finally, it came back to bite him. I would love to see what's in his text messages to his producers because I guarantee it just cost ABC News $15 million. That's almost certainly what happened. So you may have heard this over the weekend. Trump sued ABC News and ABC News caved.
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So interesting.
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"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Well, Elon stepped in and objected to what Speaker Johnson was about to do, and it appears to have halted it and gotten it slimmed down to what you just said, this more three-point plan, taking care of the farmers, the hurricane relief, and just booting this whole, you know, CR thing, the continuing resolution until a couple months after Trump takes office, where they'll have to deal with it then.
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But in the meantime... As I said in the intro, the left seems to smell an opportunity here of dividing Trump and Elon. They've been doing it for a while. They see that Elon's been quite a presence at Mar-a-Lago and on President Trump's initial meetings. And they know exactly that Trump has a big ego, like every president.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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As I said, we are now one way, one month away from the inauguration of Donald Trump 2.0. And even before that day arrives, the Democratic Party remains in crisis. They don't know what they're doing. Why are they talking about 2028 already? My God, would you just still do an honest retrospective on why you lost 2024 before you start? I mean, fine, but if I were a Democrat, I'd be a little annoyed.
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And they're trying to manipulate him psychologically by saying, oh, really, Elon's the president. Really, he's truly the president. He was tweeting about it himself. One second, let me find it on my phone. Elon was today and seemingly unhappy about the manipulations that we're seeing. So here's what happened first. It was...
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Pramala Jayapal, a member of the squad, who tweeted out, it's not clear who's in charge. She's got a picture of Elon at the Resolute desk. And it's not President-elect Donald Trump. Shadow President Elon Musk spent all day railing against Republicans' CR, succeeded in killing the bill, and then Trump decided to follow his lead.
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Then somebody retweets this and says, for awareness, note the language here. It's very intentional strategy. The goal is to weaken Trump and Elon by fomenting tensions between them, by jabbing Trump about not being the alpha. The idea is to provoke him, to sideline Elon and to fray the relationship. And Elon retweeted that saying, that is exactly the goal.
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The political and legacy media puppets all got their new instructions yesterday and are now parroting the same message to drive a wedge between Donald Trump and me. They will fail. You agree that's the strategy right now?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They don't know what to do. Labeling Donald Trump Hitler didn't work. America's Mussolini, nah, the American public didn't buy it. So now, for now, they've come up with a new way to try to irritate Donald Trump and the to break apart a really important and potentially even holy alliance between Donald Trump and the richest man in the world, Elon Musk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I watch him with Trump at these events. And I think one thing, if Trump did not want him there, he would not be there. Trump's not shy about kicking anybody out of his orbit. And if he doesn't want to share these events or the spotlight with Elon Musk, he'll tell him to get out. Trump is not a shrinking violet.
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Even though Elon's huge and really helped him out, I mean, I think he understands Elon supports the movement. It's not all about one man. It's about the movement. So he has an ally, I think, probably for life there. It's not to say there could be no personality clashes, but the media is clearly trying to drive a wedge between them. And I think it's great Elon responded on the record.
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Let me follow up on something you said about Speaker Mike Johnson. So the conventional analysis is that he was doing pretty well prior to this, that he had managed to make himself into one of the critical Trump orbit people, that when we saw pictures tweeted out at the UFC events of the so-called Avengers, you know, Tulsi, Elon, Vivek, J.D., Trump. He was in there.
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He was kind of like the extra, like in the back, and me too, me too. And that even the political convention now is a big change for him in 24 hours, and he's probably not going to survive as speaker. So you said he's got to go. Why?
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The latest line, Trump is nothing more than Elon's puppet. They got scared.
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Senator Rand Paul was suggesting a new Speaker of the House could be Elon Musk. It doesn't actually under the Constitution have to be a sitting member of Congress. Is there any world in which that happens?
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Yeah, Elon's pretty busy doing all the things that made him Elon to begin with, but I like it too, just as an idea, just bringing in an outsider to take a look at that organization, same way where he's looking through Doge at the government and say, this thing's all messed up. It hasn't been running well for 20 years.
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President Musk said, don't do it. Don't do it. Trump looked tiny yesterday. He looked like a very little man.
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I mean, the one comfort I've had is, you know, I certainly could, I'd be the smartest person there. So that's exciting. I'm very concerned about the people getting elected to our Congress today. All right, let's keep going. What's going to happen with Trump's cabinet picks? Because they already got one scalp, Matt Gaetz. They were dangerously close to getting Pete Hegseth.
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Could still happen, but they don't love RFKJ. They're saying Tulsi is a spy for Russia. So what's going to happen?
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The shadow president, Elon Musk. But the daddy they really fear and the daddy who really leads them right now. Donald Trump looks tiny right now. He looks small compared to Elon Musk.
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First, welcome to the Elon Musk presidency.
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So talk about the more moderate, in quotes, Republican senators who are risks. You've got Collins and Murkowski. You've got McConnell, who can't stand Trump. And then you've got Ernst, who I realize her language has changed around Pete. But I have to tell you, Steve, I've got real doubts about whether she's ultimately going to vote for him. I don't think she's a yes yet.
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This is an unelected oligarch who appears to be running our government.
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I think all I've heard her say she's going to do is commit to seeing him through the hearing. And I don't even know if she cares about her political future in the way the average animal in D.C. does. So I don't know. What do you think?
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Okay, I thought Joe Biden was the president. I mean, technically, isn't he still the president? But it's obvious what they're trying to do there, and I'll talk about it in one second.
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And may I just say before we get started how grateful I am, and I know my staff feels too, toward all of you for making the show what it is and making it possible for us to do it to you every day and bring the show to you, the news to you in the way that we think is... appropriate, special, and all too rare. So couldn't do it without the support of all of you listening and watching.
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But last night, my first guest today, Steve Bannon, spoke about what the Democratic Party should expect from the incoming administration when President Trump actually takes office, when he, Bannon, appeared at Turning Point's America Fest in Phoenix. And typically for Steve, he did not hold back.
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I really think when it comes to Pete, the key is, yes, political pressure on some of them. But McConnell, I don't know if that would work on him and Ernst, same thing. But I do think somebody like Joni Ernst cares deeply about what the rank and file troops think and want.
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I actually do think even if she's thinking I've got reservations, if she hears from enough rank and file guys and gals that they want him, they want an actual soldier, an actual warrior to take over and look out for them. she could be persuaded by that. And it's starting to happen. You're starting to see more and more do it.
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He's shown enormous courage, Fetterman, in dealing with the Israel issue. He does not care how many people protest outside of his home or his office. He runs out there with his Israeli flag. He's in your face about it in a way that I think a lot of people admire. So yeah, he could be one to watch. All right, let's talk about agenda.
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You mentioned at the top, I mean, how long do you think Trump has to really get things done?
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How does he do it? How does he attack immigration in particular? Because what we'd love to see, of course, is an actual law, an actual law that tightens the procedures that make sure some of these Trump policies become law and the next president has to abide by them, especially if it's a Democrat. But we don't have 60 votes in the Senate. We only have 53.
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which makes it tough because the Democrats could filibuster it. Maybe, maybe not, given that the temperature on immigration is so hot right now and even Democratic voters wanted to see a crackdown. But so what exactly on immigration do you want them to do?
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Okay, what about investigations? Because we've seen a couple of things bubble up recently. There's been buzz around Liz Cheney, who we now have reason to believe may have behaved inappropriately with a key witness in the J6 hearings. With respect to her attorney, there have been allegations made that she interfered in an inappropriate way. Then you've got Fannie Willis,
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whose disqualification was ordered by the Georgia Appellate Court yesterday. Thank God that was the right decision. And there's real questions about the behavior of some of these people who have been the main chief antagonists of Donald Trump. There's a split on whether he should go after them. He said, success is the best revenge. Not sure I'm inclined to do it, but
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He's filed lawsuits, at least, against certain media personnel and Ann Seltzer, well, the Des Moines Register. So what do you see happening on the investigation or, quote, retaliation front?
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That's clever. Steve Bannon, what a pleasure. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. So glad you'll be spending it with your family and not in that ridiculous prison. Great to have you.
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Happy holidays, my friend. See you in the new year.
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And to you, what do you think of a Speaker of the House?
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Steve Bannon joins me now. He's host of War Room, which you can watch on Real America's Voice, Rumble X and all podcast platforms. He's also a former chief strategist for President Donald Trump. For those of us who have been holding our breath for the past several months, we can finally exhale in the wake of this presidential election, right?
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But our new friend, Steve Bannon thinks I should.
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You think it would not improve our quality of life?
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It is the kind of job. No, wait, it's not. So on your podcast, which is called Dedicated with Doug Brunt, where you're a writer, you're an author, you talk about books and you talk with famous authors. You always serve a cocktail and you've brought dedicated to us today. What are we having here?
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It's delicious.
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It's crazy. It's powerful.
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Yeah, a little goes a long way, but cheers. Merry Christmas, honey. Love you. Thanks for being here.
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eggnog is really good warrior proof eggnog and only if you have one cup because it's not about getting drunk we've done that in the air it's about the waistline yeah remember that one year that's right so this is reduced fat eggnog i remember that year you and i were by christmas eve we were like had put on about 15 pounds we were fat yeah we were fat we'd gotten fat and we were looking at each other like something's going on a little different maybe it's the eggnog we've been having it like every
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night this is years ago we didn't even have kids yet we were back in our chelsea apartment and uh yeah we realized that even the low fat yeah is has got like 400 calories a glass something ridiculous it was a pretty bloated christmas now we have like well this is a special occasion but now we have one when we like trim the tree yeah that kind of thing yeah gotta gotta save your save your moments there all right so we're getting excited tomorrow we're leaving and we're gonna go to montana which is where we spend the holidays now we've been doing that for what nine years
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With the kids. And we always have a white Christmas there because whether it's manufactured snow or not.
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There's always snow.
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Last year was not good snow. It was normal. It was natural snow, but it was crappy skiing. But this year we've got La Nina, so I'm feeling pretty good about it.
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And tell the audience, have you completed all of your Christmas shopping? Yes.
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Did you take Thatcher?
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Our 11-year-old said, Mom, I really want to go down to the main drag there to do some Christmas shopping today. And he needs Doug to take him because he's got to get it done relatively early.
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Did you do that because of what's in the news today? There's something in the news today saying seven out of 10 women, moms, you know, and wives wake up on Christmas day to find their stocking empty or they have to do it themselves. Their husband never fills their stocking. And somehow Santa just focuses on the kids.
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Work can finally be done on the major issues that this country's facing, and one of the most significant is our national debt. Look, the fact is our nation's broke, and that debt is a house of cards that cannot be quickly dismantled by anyone. So the strategy remains the same when it comes to your investments. You might wanna diversify your savings. Virtually all the experts say that's a good idea.
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Oh, well, you know how much I love a letter.
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There's something in the news today also talking about how Like the vast majority of Americans want to change Christmas traditions. They're kind of over having a turkey and doing what we all do, which is like overbuy or get stressed out by money, whatever, one of those problems. And that one of the things people would prefer is... letters, like handwritten notes to gifts.
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It's on the top 10 list of things that people might prefer instead of a gift. I mean, I feel like that was written for me.
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I don't know. I think it has gotten too commercialized. And then you feel all stressed out about getting the right gifts. And by the time you're done, you kind of feel the way you feel when you've overeaten. at a big holiday meal. You know, like I've supported American capitalism and ideally some small businesses. And I think people around me will be happy, but this feels excessive, right?
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Like it just always, no matter how big or small you go, it feels kind of just excessive.
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So we've got to talk about that. So, so far, our family started right after Thanksgiving with our holiday shows that we watched. We watched Rudolph, which led to a segment on the show talking about what a bully Santa is. And he is a bully in that movie. Santa's gone mean in the Rudolph movie. And then we watched Santa Claus is Coming to Town. You're really more of a year without a Santa Claus guy.
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Right?
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What is it about that?
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Oh, good tip.
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We're going to do the quiz and I don't know a lot of the answers. They just gave me the questions and I was like, actually, this is going to be hard, but keep going.
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Well, it's funny because I did a segment with the, as you know, the guys from the Rootless program.
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On Best Movie, Best Christmas Movie, our favorite Christmas movie. And they said things like Christmas Story was one of them. Smug went with Godfather, which is not. And Duncan picked Four Christmases, which I had never seen. And you had never seen. You were convinced we had seen it.
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Or The Holiday, which you hated.
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After we walked out of that movie together. Anyway, so we watched Four Christmases with Sissy Spacek, Vince Vaughn, and Reese Witherspoon. And it was cute. I liked it.
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What do you mean?
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I hope they're not watching this.
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Well, one of the people who makes a special guest star appearance in that movie is an EP of it, and it's Ralphie from A Christmas Story.
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Oh, yeah, that's right.
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Which was, that was, I think, Holmes' favorite movie, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, or Ashbrook. Anyway, I love it. Yeah, and Holmes was A Christmas Vacation. So this led to a whole thing on the show about favorite Christmas movies and what gets you in the mood. And our viewers wrote in, I asked them what their favorite movies were and wrote in by droves with their various submissions.
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And I mentioned how we always watch Christmas in Connecticut and I still love Christmas in Connecticut so much. Barbara Stanwyck and she liked that. Um, Stanley green street, who is, uh, he plays Alexander Yardley.
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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Um, Anyway, and somebody wrote in, actually multiple people wrote in, if you like those old time black and white movies, and we don't love all of them, but like some of them are great.
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That you should try Shop Around the Corner. So thank you to the audience who suggested that because we watched it early in the morning yesterday and today or two days this week. We woke up super early and we had it on. And it was so cute.
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All right, we have a clip for those of you who have never seen it.
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Yes, do you mind?
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So the whole premise is that they work together and they don't like each other. Or do they? Because each has a secret pen pal with whom they're having somewhat of a romantic blossoming. And well, if you've seen You've Got Mail, you know how it ends. But you said when we were watching it, there's something really soothing about Jimmy Stewart's voice, like about Jimmy Stewart in general.
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What's amazing is that movie was made in 1940. 1940, think about that. So that's 85 years ago, almost 85. That's incredible. And we were talking, so Doug, we turn it on and it's like, it is charming. So we have a little Christmas tree in our bedroom this time of year, which I love and highly recommend. And in the morning we turn on the lights and we make a coffee.
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We have a little coffee maker in the room and And we sit there in our bed and we have coffee and we chat. And it's actually many days, the only time we have to really catch up before everything goes nuts. And this time of year, sometimes we'll put on like a cute movie. I remember last year we watched Serendipity.
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That's a great one. Notwithstanding that John Cusack is a prick, but you can suspend your disbelief. And this year, so we were watching that and, And you said to me, the setting's beautiful, we've got a little Christmas tree going, we've got our coffee, the black and white film, and you go, everyone in this movie is dead, even the babies.
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Sweet thought, honey.
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So they might, the babies might still be alive. But the thing that always strikes me is that you knew my Nana very well, who died at 101, right before Trump was elected. It was 16, October of 16. She was born in 1915, 1915. And I look at that, I'm like, Nana was 25. Someone we've known in our lifetime very, very well was alive and vibrant when this black and white 1940 film was made.
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It's weird to think about.
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Right. We need to find out. No, it's funny because you saw him and then you had a second, as we called it, a play date. I'm like, Doug's got another play date with his new best friend. But what a fascinating man.
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And you said he was sharp as a tack.
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See, now these are the fascinating interactions that Doug has, and he reads amazing books, and then he writes amazing books, like The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, which you should all buy for Christmas. It's still crushing it. Amazingly, it's still doing so well.
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Yeah. So it's still available for you. It's, it's, it's, uh, available in paperwork too. So you can get paperback so you can get the cheaper version if you want though. It's, it's bargain at any, at any price, mysterious case of Rudolph diesel, by the way, may I just say, I just want the audience to see how much I've I have drunk so far. We're actually having this.
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Great speech, and thank you for embodying what many of us are feeling there, especially at the end. It's like, okay, spare me on the unity. That's what Joe Biden promised us when we took office. We knew he didn't mean it. You're advocating a more honest approach. No.
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And it's like one tiny, it's like a half an inch of this glass. And I already feel a little woozy. That Jack Carr whiskey is not messing around.
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Oh no, Debbie Murphy just reminded me I have a lot of reads after the show. Don't get drunk. I got to sip it slowly, sip it slowly. It's like we're going into the holiday period. So I got a lot going on anyway. Um, okay. So let's, let's go through a couple of things. I want to go through a story that happened before I get too intoxicated to us yesterday on Christmas gifts.
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Oh yeah.
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Is this my camera? You guys, I have a lost all focus. This is my camera, right? For the, for the thank you radar. Um, I'm drunk already. I've lost all control of the show. Okay. So I never get Christmas gifts for the kids' teachers. And in my defense, I won't be too much of a sexist pig about it. Doug never does either. Just because I'm the mom doesn't mean it has to be me, right?
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Right.
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for the record, but let's face it. It's always the moms. So, um, I had dinner with some friends here in town a couple of weeks ago and there were four of us and two were like, you never get gifts for the teachers that like around Christmas. I'm like, no, like never. I'm like, no, my friends were like, oh, okay. They weren't passing judgment. They were, but they were surprised.
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And there was another mom there who was like, oh no, me neither. And she's a working mom. And she, and she was like solidarity. Right. But it's stuck in my craw. Like, oh my God, our kids are the only ones going in there. This is bad. I need to get some gifts.
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Well, long story short, I decided to get like a bath bomb, you know, like one of those round, looks like chalk bombs that you throw into your bath and it makes into, into this like soothing, fun kind of bubble bath-ish thing. And I had Abby order me the one that I found online so I could try it first, make sure I'm not giving away something disgusting. And then I also saw this thing online.
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It was really cute. It was like lab test tubes, you know, like what you'd see in a science lab. And they had these labels on them. Okay. Take that down for now. And, uh, so I tried that out too. And that was the winner. I'm like, that's actually really cute with the test tubes. So Abby bought like a few of them. She had them wrapped. And yesterday the kids were leaving for school.
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Yardley was going with you and the boys were going with me. And, and I remembered, I'm like, oh, take your gifts. I've got, I'm on top of it this year. So you and Yardley leave with one for her teacher and the boys each have two female teachers. So they had their two and two. And Thatcher was like, what do you mean test tubes? I'm like, oh, they're, there's like, they look like lab test tubes.
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And he's like, well, what's written on them? And I was like, I don't like little messages. Like one said, spirit guide, you know, it's cute. So I pulled up the website just so they could look at it while I was getting them ready and getting myself ready to leave. And I look over at them and Thatcher, who's 11, has eyes like silver dollars. And I'm like, what?
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And Yates, who's 15, goes, well, I certainly hope tube number two isn't in the gift. I'm like, uh-oh. What's in tube number two? So I take a look at my own phone that they're looking at. And tube number two reads in big writing, get naked. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Which we almost had our 15-year-old.
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Oh my God. So now I'm like, it's too late to save Yardley, but I can still save the boys. So I decide there's such nice gifts. I'm actually still excited about my gift that I take out the steak knife and I start to try to perform a surgery on it, Duggar. And I try to get in there. So like, cause I still had my own test kit up in the bathroom. And I was like, there are some innocuous tubes.
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I could replace the offensive ones with the innocuous ones. So I send Yates up to get the innocuous tubes. And I was like, I can't do it. There's so many layers. It's been so beautifully wrapped, the tissue paper and then the real paper and lots of tape. And I'm like, I can't, I said, Thatcher, it's probably okay. Don't you think maybe we could just, we could just go with it as is.
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Thatcher's like, I don't think it's okay, mom. Please don't make me give that to my teacher. So we replaced the boys with some candles. And Yardley's teacher got the special holiday brunt message of get naked, get drunk, and get drugged.
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Yeah.
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Happy New Year. I did send her a note, and she was a very, very good sport. She laughed and thought it was hysterical, but... There are some things you have to admit you're not good at, especially when you're a working mom and gift giving is on the list.
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It was a lot.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no. You've offered to help many times, but I don't like it when you help.
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Mm-hmm. Well, the other problem is Doug and I have a philosophical disagreement about Christmas where it's like, I'm like, I like a lot. And Doug's like, these four would make everyone really happy.
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Santa brings a lot already. And I supplement.
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Because I like the look of excess. It could be something small. It could be like a little Nerf football. But I wrap it because it's just so fun to walk down and see that, you know, big thing under the tree.
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That's kind of how I feel about it. Okay. Let's talk about, well, the drinks. We do the eggnog. We do, what else? Do we typically have a Christmas drink? Yeah.
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You.
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All right. How about special? Is this on my list? Traditions? I don't want to step up.
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So here is the instruction. MK, read the questions and give us your answer. Doug, the producers and Peko will confirm if you are correct. Okay. Okay. Number one, what is Doug's favorite Christmas memory? Well, I feel like you might've just told it. Is this with our family or his family or his whole life? Okay.
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I know, this is a tough one.
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Yeah, I give up. I already am failing.
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I know it. Oh, it was terrible. And then it was wonderful.
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But this involved Yates.
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Yes.
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Who we asked, he's our eldest. Now he's 15. But at the time he was like four and we had seen Polar Express and we had asked him like, is there any special thing, any special toy, anything?
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weeks in advance. And he was like, no, no, no. He was little, maybe five. Anyway, no, no, no, no, no. And it was literally 11 o'clock Christmas Eve. And he, he had just like woken up from his slumber and like toddled out. And he was like, I thought of what I want.
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And of course we're like the window has closed, sir. And he's like, I want the bell. I want one of silver magic bell from Santa's reindeer from polar express. He had just seen polar express. We were like, yeah, we're screwed. The one thing he wants right down the street from Dwayne Reed. Right. But Dwayne Reed was closed on Christmas Eve and didn't have the Christmas bell. So we were like,
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He's not going to get it. This is so sad. Oh, well, you know, he waited too late. Maybe he'll learn in the future, but like it is sad. So then you go to set up the train. We had just bought a train for underneath the Christmas tree. Yeah. And we had purchased a Polar Express train. And lo and behold, in the box was the Christmas Santa's reindeer.
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It was a true Christmas miracle.
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It's crazy how he's like, he did that for many years.
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Okay, the next one. What is the best Christmas gift Megan ever gave Doug? I mean, we don't give gifts to each other.
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Is this when we first met?
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Okay. Was this the replacement of your entire wardrobe?
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When I first met Doug. Oh, yes.
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He was not a good dresser. You've heard the story. yellow golf shirt and high-waisted khaki pants when we first met. This is not an appropriate outfit for anyone's first date. And so, yes, I was extremely generous on our first Christmas, even though I didn't really have much money back then.
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She was sabotaging you for other women by making you wear these terrible outfits. That's why you came to me in that condition.
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That was the funniest thing ever. Okay. Number three, Doug's favorite Christmas song or favorite Christmas movie scene. Well, the movie, I already said that. You're Without a Santa Claus.
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Favorite song? Oh, I know your favorite song. It's, don't say it. It's by Dean Martin and it's Marshmallow World.
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A little slow.
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No, this isn't it at all. I just want my ding, ding, ding.
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It's by Dean Martin.
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Okay, but thank you for trying, team. Okay, number four. Doug's favorite thing to eat or drink at Christmas. Are we drinking it right now?
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Yeah, okay. Oh, my God.
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Yeah, hello, ding. Where's my ding? Is my team drunk, too? Did you all support for them? All right, five. Traditions from Doug's childhood that he's carried over to your own family. Well. Do we already cover that one or is there something else?
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You and your siblings would go to the mall.
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Okay, okay. Number six, traditions Doug hopes your own children will do with their kids one day. I don't know. I mean, oh, I've got one. I've got one. Is it how they all sleep in the same room the night, Christmas Eve? I mean, even if this is not what you said, I know you believe that you want this. So they sleep in the same room on Christmas Eve.
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Feel very grateful to you all. Feel especially hopeful this time of year, as I know a lot of you do too, as we're now, you know, what, a month away. Actually, it's a month from today that Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 47th president of the United States. And it happened despite overwhelming odds against him and despite a media that is entirely against him.
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And then in the morning before they come upstairs to get us, they say a prayer together, which is, they came up with this on their own. They told us about it after a couple of years after doing it. And then they come right to our room and we walk out together.
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Yeah. Thank you, Dr. Leonard Sacks.
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Yeah. We're reinforcing how important that is. Okay. Um, Let's see. Okay, seven. What are Doug's hopes for the new year? And he always has the same hopes. Like everybody stays well, everybody thrives.
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Yeah, see, I'm nailing it. Okay, eight. If Doug could change one thing from the past year, what would it be? Well, I think we'd both like your mom to be feeling better.
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Yeah.
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Well, I have another candidate.
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I have another candidate.
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Oh, my God. This is the best. I'm going to fortify myself for this one. So we went to Scandinavia in June.
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A family. We went to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. And when we got to Denmark, we went to the big amusement park there that everybody goes to. What's it called again? I don't know. We went there. Gardens.
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It's the one that Disney World was based on. And... We went on this very, very mild... Already, this is fake news.
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Called the Ruchibon. It was so mild. You didn't even have the shoulder harness. It just had the lap bar where you hold. And there was a man operating it. The brakes required his foot to press the... It was a manual brake. How dangerous could it be, quite frankly? And so... You know how the roller coasters will take your picture when you're on the roller coaster?
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Well, it took our picture and we went and saw it on the little screen. And I'm just going to show you the first picture that we saw. We went down to see the screen. Now, here you can see. Oh, Tivoli Gardens. That's what it was. I can see. So you can see there's yours truly. And I'm next to our son, Thatcher. And you can see I'm really enjoying myself. I love the root jabonin.
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But you can see Doug is behind me and it's unclear whether Doug is enjoying it quite as much as Thatcher and I are. And they are the two kids who are behind him. And then we scrolled in the list of photos that you could purchase, which I did, by the way. And look at Doug.
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The horror.
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All right. Let's spend a minute on what's happening on Capitol Hill, because it's confusing, I think, to the average person who does not pay a lot of attention to continuing resolutions or these end of year budget wars that always seem to wind up the same way with them saying, just fund it, just fund it under the same terms as we've been funding it.
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That's too much, dude. I'm a SEAL.
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So do you remember how that went for me when I was, like, when you got off?
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85.
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I was at a 90 degree angle.
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it's so funny if you guys are listening on Sirius XM or on podcast you've got to go to youtube.com go to about I don't know 90 minutes into the show and look at this picture because it's so out of character for you that's what made it so funny oh nice save thank you truly you're always so composed you're always strong you're always our defender our leader and uh there you were genuinely scared and horrified yeah
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I'm going to send these pictures.
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I'm going to send those to the, to the team too. No, it was four times FYI.
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Yeah. And, um, yeah, so he tried again and it failed and then, and then, uh, the final time you nailed it.
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Nailed it. Yeah.
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You look totally, totally comfortable. Um, okay. Stand by. Let's see. Um, Okay. Nine. Finish this sentence for Doug. It's not Christmas without... Hmm. Strudwick eating something he shouldn't be.
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Oh, that's a tough one. I don't... Montana? A White Christmas in Montana? The fam?
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Yes.
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Okay, so it's equal. Okay, 10. How early does the family start Christmas shopping? The family. How early does the family? Ladies, how early does the family start?
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The family starts maybe like two weeks before because if you wait too long, you can't get anything on Amazon.
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Yeah. There we go. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, I do think we should talk about it's a wonderful life and then we'll take a quick break because that is one of our family traditions and it, I love it. It's my favorite family tradition. Here is a clip from the wonderful movie. It's a wonderful life.
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So in a nutshell, what's happening is we're going to run out of money to fund the government. They tried, including Speaker Johnson, spearheaded an effort to try to continue the existing funding, but with some hikes like pay hikes for Congress and ongoing funding for some very controversial organizations, but just to sort of kick the can down the road to March. And the
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It gave me a little chill just watching that.
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Right? And Donna Reed is so good. She's so beautiful. So we decided to make the most of this movie. I've told the audience this story before, but for those who don't know, do you want to explain what we do when we watch it as a family?
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There's a scene where he gets married and they're like, and Donna Reed shows up with Jimmy Stewart. And she's like, you know, bread that this house may never know hunger or salt that they never may never be bland or whatever it is.
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I went to this a showing of it in Chicago years ago, like 20 years ago with some friends. And we saw them like they did this in the theater. They treated it like the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And I love, love, love. You guys totally do this with your families. So you put on the movie and every time Mr. Potter comes on, what do we do?
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You hiss. Yeah, you hiss. And every time Clarence comes on.
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You ring the bell. And every time.
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That's exactly right. It's not my inane stupidity as it is with her. It's this Jack Carr whiskey. Anywho, and then we throw salt and we throw bread at that scene where they go visit Mr. Martini and he's getting a home and she does the toast. And I don't know, it's just so fun. The whole thing is like... It's just a fun way to watch the movie and we all look forward to it.
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That's one of our Christmas traditions.
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Why do the ads seem so funny to me when I've had something to drink?
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I do. It's true. OK, so speak. And that is the reason why Strudwick is allowed to remain with our family.
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Yes. So today he had yet another terrible piece of behavior. Do you care to share?
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The Republicans, some 30 of them in the House who never vote for these, who just always say this is so irresponsible. What are we doing? We have enormous debt and deficits. We're not going to support this. Necessitated Speaker Johnson, he would say, reaching out to some Democrats to get approval for this bill. That necessitated Republicans.
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Someone gave us as a gift.
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He's fine. So this one involves Abigail Finan, their moose munch, who received the gift from one of our friends of the show. And very nice. Thank you, Adam Carolla, by the way. And we really appreciate that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I mean, you know, honestly, frankly, better him than me because I love that stuff would have gone right to the eggnog. Exactly. And she was like, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got to read you what she wrote because she was so mortified. She knows Strud too well. She's yelling in the other room. I said, hey, did you take a picture?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because we always post it on the website with Meg Storm. And she wrote, no, I was so stressed out, I didn't. I literally sprinted back because I was like, WTF, Abby, you don't leave like a leftover sandwich on the counter and you left a large Harry and David gift basket there? It's really an egregious mistake. Unbelievable.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because her sin was leaving anything on the kitchen counter because she knows exactly...
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
what happens almost instantly can't leave for two minutes no two seconds and yet neither of us we were like he's fine you're good yeah and sure enough hours later he's 100 totally there's nothing wrong with stradwick sugar-free gum chocolate grapes whatever he eats it all all the stuff we were told would kill him instantly he's absolutely fine like now the vet is like you're not bringing him in we're like no he's fine
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Yeah. We don't recommend this plan at home. We don't know if your dog's indestructible, but our dog is unbelievable. And plus, at some point, Darwinism kicks in. It's like, I mean, we're how many thousands of dollars in the hole? I mean, you hesitate to even hazard a guess. Yeah. Now, you did bring three books with you today, sir. Why did you do that? You have some helpful hints.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I recommended it to, um, my trainer who is a younger guy. He's married with a family, but he's younger than we are. And he couldn't put it down. Like he, he was like, what else does Doug have? I'll read anything Doug recommends.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's hard to believe he's no longer with us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
all these spending extravaganzas because they won't support it unless they get some of their favorites in there. And the whole thing wound up a very ugly nightmare that was about to be shoved through. And then Vivek and Elon, who are running Department of Government Efficiency, Doge's extra-governmental watchdog on spending, stepped in to say, what are we doing? Why are we doing this?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
The mysterious case of Rudolph Diesel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Wow.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
So I was picking Thatcher up from school yesterday or dropping off school, and I said, guess who's coming on the program tomorrow? He said, who? And I said, Doug Brunt. He said, oh. And I said, what do you think I should ask him? And he said, you should ask him, what will it take for people to know that diesel is a proper noun that should be written with a capital D? First of all, so sweet.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Our 11-year-old thought of that. Yeah. And what do you think? You know, this guy who you've kind of brought back to life and generated a whole new conversation on with your book, The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel. What do you think it'll take to make people know that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And that there was blowback. And then Trump dropped in with another message, which I'll get to in one second. Anyway, the whole thing blew up. It all blew up. And now they might have a new deal that's like a very slimmed down version of all this. But for the people at home who are lost already with me, with this back and forth, Steve, what is the bottom line? What do they need to know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So good. And that's why it's doing so well, because it's a fascinating story and Doug solves a mystery. All right. Final thing. The first guest today was Steve Bannon, with whom I and frankly, we have a very interesting history. The audience is well aware by this point. What did you think following Steve Bannon and how you feeling about the whole thing?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Longer than Abigail Finan?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
I will say in his defense, their other strategy of making me like an enemy who they were not afraid to bash worked very well and really communicated one of the core messages of Trumpism and MAGA, which is there are no sacred cows. We'll go after anyone, which is a really valuable message. Like that is what... The MAGA Corps wanted to hear wasn't about hatred for me or Fox.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was just like, yes, be that wrecking ball. Like we, too, have no sacred cows. The sacred cows are the ones held by an establishment that loathes or ignores us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Same.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Well, I know Steve Bannon actually had a rough 2024 in some ways. I mean, his show is great. He's great. But yeah, there was the whole prison sentence, which is part of the reason why he's like, F these guys. I mean, I know he's saying... It's not about personal retributions, but retribution. But you couldn't blame him if it were because what happened to him was grossly unfair.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Do you mean you and Abby, my team?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Very important.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
He won. There's nothing to second guess.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
How he is now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's interesting. I don't know. I feel like I am... It's so funny to me, the arc of my own story with Steve, because I really couldn't stand him. I took it very personally when he was coming for me in that PBS documentary. And just with time, I really just... separated from those personal feelings. It wasn't that they went away.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was like a separation, you know, like they were still there and I understood why I had them. I didn't conclude that I was wrong. I just no longer felt, you know, the energy around them. And that morning that we started talking about, like, should we talk to him? I asked you because Abby was like, absolutely not. Never. I'll never allow it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And you and I had had that talk over our coffee that morning in the bed, you know, chatting. And you were like, I don't feel it either. That that animus toward him anymore. It's just we have so many common enemies and he's such an effective fighter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
were on the wane and i started to appreciate him more as a tactical fighter yeah all right now i have two other points i want to get to on the subject of george stephanopoulos there was a funny and interesting exchange over on the podcast of our pals the real clear politics guys um andrew walworth uh tom bevin and carl cannon and they were talking about stephanopoulos and
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And just the ridiculous—as soon as he committed this error that cost them—error is being charitable—that cost them $16 million, ABC News re-signed him at a reported—it could be $19 million, could be $20 million, could be $25 million. Those are the three numbers I've seen reported per year. I mean, it's ridiculous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's a total state sanction of his kind of journalism, which means ABC News likes it and wants a whole lot more of it. Well, great. You're going to get that. Yeah. Anyway, they started to get into a discussion about anchor salaries and this one in particular for Stephanopoulos and listen to this exchange. I heard it organically last night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's going to be making, you know, around 20 million a year, which in any other business, if you were responsible for, uh, you were negligent in your job and cost your organization, uh, $15 million via a lawsuit, um, you probably wouldn't be rewarded.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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At that salary, he's sort of mid-range, I think, for anchors. Really? Yeah, for the morning shows. These anchors, they work very hard, long hours. Come on. And they have a lot of responsibility. They've got morals clauses that they have to live up to. It's... Andy, please. What would McLaughlin say?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, Megyn Kelly is going to light you up. We're going to be on her show next week. He's going to back in her doghouse, isn't he?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, first, he got lit up the last time because he said Kamala Harris was like Winston Churchill. Oh, boy. Which Andy and I sparred over, which is crazy talk. And but... I was laughing about this and I love Andy. He's a great guy. That's a fun podcast to listen to. If you want straight politics and analysis, I really enjoy it. But, um,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't have a problem with Stephanopoulos' salary, obviously. I'd love to see news people paid well if they deserve it. But I do think enormous money in news can have the effect of separating the anchor from his or her audience, from people who have real struggles. And I've actually asked myself, why – A couple, okay, so a couple of things. Why didn't that happen to me?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because I have made a lot of money in this business and I've got some thoughts on that. But secondly, to suggest what George does is hard work, I think is absurd. I love you, Andy, but that's absurd. I look around at my own family You know, my mom, lifetime nurse at the Albany VA. My stepfather, my dad who died when I was young was a professor, but my stepfather was a plumber.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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My stepsister's a nurse who works overnight ICU care. My stepbrother's a cop. Like these are people, I mean, my cop stepbrother puts his life on the line every day. And now he's retired, but he was for 20 plus years. You know, my mom and like dealing in blood and guts and lives and real trauma every day, like the amount of shit that these people have to deal with.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like these, nevermind a plumber, speaking of dealing with shit. My point is simply like news anchors like George Stephanopoulos at Network News have a red carpet rolled out for them when they show up to work. They've got tons of producers coming out of their ears who want to make their lives better. He has to wake up a little early.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
This is nothing to be remarked on. And the morals clause, usually they're written such that you really have to commit a crime almost to really be balanced on them or be a complete asshole. That's why most people don't get balanced off of them. That's nothing to live up to. Yeah. It certainly doesn't justify the enormous salary. They do it because they give the anchor a fraction of what they earn.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
On the Kelly file alone, the last year I was there, I know Fox made over $100 million in the advertising. So I made a nice salary there, nowhere near even what George Stephanopoulos was making there. But that's just because you're a moneymaker for them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Cable news is actually a lot harder of a lift.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
No. Well, that was Carl's point. He was saying you can't get an anchor for 8 million who would do a great job. Come on. And he was absolutely right about that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I do think, especially in this failing news industry, the mainstream, the cable news industry, both of whom are hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging audience, these salaries should be rectified to, you know, bring them back down to the commensurate levels. My team did analysis for me. Actually, I have it here. It's actually really devastating what's happened to, you know, Nevermind network news.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They used to be in like 5 million, 6 million a morning. Now they're down to like two and a half million. Their audience has been cut in half in the morning news.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Yeah, probably even uglier. And in cable primetime, listen to this. We pulled the numbers. So primetime, we compared 2016 to 2024. At FNC, I was in the prime time in 2016. This is the key advertising demo of 25 to 54. The average for 2016 was almost 500,000, 481,000 in the key demo of 25 to 54 year olds this past year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So it's comparison, you know, 16 to 24, those are both big election years involving Trump. So they should be comparative. So 2024, the average demo on Fox, which is the number one network, was almost 300,298. So it's almost a 200,000 difference, 183,000. They lost almost 200,000. That's 40% of their key audience in the demo. And they're number one.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Look at CNN in 2016, the demo, the average was 423,000. This past year, 151,000. That's a loss of 272,000 in their audience, which if my math is correct is 35% of their audience. Oh, wait, I just conflated a couple of numbers. Yeah, no, no, no, I have it right. And then MSNBC, 16, they averaged 270,000 in the key demo. This past year, 137. Wow. Which is a loss of 50. See, that's your math skills.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The loss of 50% of their audience, they're hemorrhaging. By the way, the Kelly file, our average in the demo when we were on air that year was 569,000, which made us number one in audience. All of cable news, which is why I get so horrified when they talk about now the average in the MSNBC is getting down towards slashies, under 50,000. My average was almost 570,000 in the key demo.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Cable news is a shocker. shadow of its former self, so is broadcast. So these numbers, like the Stephanopoulos number, are now a joke. They're just disproportionate to the work and the product.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Put it a little later, maybe like 10, 08.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Agreed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Okay. Last but not least, I'm jumping around, but I feel like we missed something important on our Christmas traditions and it involves one big night during our trip to Montana. And we all look forward to it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
I think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And I think it happened thanks to honest brokers like the ones who listen to this show, who are in the market for actual news, real facts, yes, opinion, but based on real facts and not misleading bullshit on one side or the other. So thank you to all of you very much. We've got two great guests today. I'm so excited about the guests we have to end out the year. The two Bs. Bannon and Brunt.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And what is it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Yeah. Yeah. Costume night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
But nine times out of 10, it's just us five and Ken, your brother, who we love. He's one of the core six. And we've done so many fun things. We did Wonka one year. We did Gilligan's Island one year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Cobra Kai. Cobra Kai. That was awesome. And so the way it's worked most years, not all, you did Gilligan's Island. That's actually in New Jersey because I love costumes year-round. That's in New Jersey where I made you wear a purple suit because we just did like a fun colors.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Yeah, we did a fun colors party. But I love the costumes year-round. So over the Christmas season, and people could do this at home too, it happens to be yours truly because I love costumes, but I'll come up with a theme. And nobody knows what the theme is except for me. And we get to costume night. Annette. Yeah, Abby knows. She's critical. And Yezi, who helps us with the costumes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And what we'll do is I order fun backgrounds for like the main family room. Everybody has to stay in another part of the house. And I set up the stuff and then I set out everybody's costumes on their beds. And I say, okay, it's time. And everybody goes to their bedroom and they see the costume and the big theme is revealed. They put on their costumes and then we meet in the family room.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
And then we don't really do anything other than have a fun dinner and a fun night.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
Totally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
So do you have any guesses on what this year's theme is going to be?
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
No hints, no forecasts. I'm like Ruth Bader Ginsburg with the abortion confirmation hearing question.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Richard Bonin. How did I miss that? My gosh. Well, so no guess.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But I will reveal to the audience when we get back what we did. And it is on point for the year that we've had. And it's something that everyone will love.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I did consider that, but then I thought no one's going to want to go as Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, so I ixnayed it. Anyway, I think you're really going to enjoy it. I'm excited. I can't wait to show you, the kids, and ultimately the audience what we did. In the meantime... to our lovely audience. God bless you all. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Happy New Year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Looking forward to coming back to you. I'm really looking forward to two weeks off with just the fam, but as you know, I always miss the show. It's like a little, it's like this thing inside of me that needs to happen each day. And when I don't get to do it, I feel like, but we do have plenty of new content for you while I'm gone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We are doing a true crime Christmas and then we'll be back right after the new year. So Duggar, thank you for making this possible as well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Love all of you as well. Send us an email at megan at megankelly.com and happy holidays. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
The Megyn Kelly Show
"Political War" Coming For Trump in 2025, and Christmas Traditions, with Steve Bannon and Doug Brunt | Ep. 971
My husband, Doug Brunt, will come up in our second hour. And my team has prepared a special holiday quiz for me to take showing how well I know Doug's Christmas traditions and memories. I have not yet seen it, but I plan to ace it. So we will see how that goes in hour two. All right. And in our first guest, we have another important B, which is Steve Bannon. And here's where we're going to start.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Part of the problem is, you know, most of the spending is on entitlement spending and no, no politician, including Trump wants to touch that Medicare, Medicaid, social security.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Mysterious "Drones" Spread, Media Malpractice, and How Medical Journals Became Captured, with Hugh Hewitt and Dr. Aseem Malhotra | Ep. 964
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. With just over five weeks to go before President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in, the media is working through their five stages of grief. There's anger from Don Lemon, denial from media stationed outside of Mar-a-Lago.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He was a very talented lawyer who went to Harvard and University of Michigan at law school and worked in the Reagan administration. She's being careful with her words. She says, while I support Pete through this process, what I think he deserves is a hearing. That's just a buying time phrase. That's not a promise of support. What I am hearing, Hugh, is that she doesn't like him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. I mean, I said to the audience, Don't marry Pete, but I would take him as my sec def. So it's basically my words. I have a question for you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I mean, I spent a lot of time with Pete Hegseth, and all I ever saw was a professional, smart, earnest, great guy who cared deeply about the military. It's all he wanted to talk about, ever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, even when you're making casual conversation, that's what he wanted to talk about, the military, and what he could do to address their concerns and how their needs weren't being met, truly, even in casual conversation. And I've said this to my audience before, we did have conversations many times at Fox News about who...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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whose drinking was getting out of control or who was potentially taking drugs. And some we knew were, and those people were definitely on the radar. We all knew he was never one of the names. Pete was on the radar for loving the military and veterans. And yes, for being a little Randy, I guess we can say when it came to the women, whatever that's between him and his wife.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Rich Lowry, isn't he cute?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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My former makeup artist at Fox, who is there all the time, has been texting me about him nonstop. She's in his camp. She knows. You're exactly right. They know where all the bodies are buried.
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And one posted on Instagram in support of him as well. So, I mean, he's good there. I wanted to pick up on what you said about the political reporter, Josh Gerstein. So he gives you a hard time. You responded to the ProPublica attempted attack on Pete by saying, this story is and remains that a bureaucrat at West Point misled you and you did not print that. That's not journalism.
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Then Politico inserts itself into your spat with ProPublica. Josh Gerstein, the reporter, saying- Hugh, are you really saying we should do a story every time what a government spokesperson tells us turns out not to be right? I mean, it would take up perhaps half of my time. And then you responded. But do you want to walk us through why a response to that? They're saying, look, they checked it out.
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It didn't check out. They moved on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You don't do that. You don't do that where you only have an hour to respond unless there's there's a reason for it. You know, like we've got to get this story. It's breaking. It's big. And national security, whatever. There are reasons why you might have to if it came to you late. You didn't have time to go to the source, whatever. But this is not one of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Some evergreen piece on whether Pete did or did not get into West Point. They were just trying to sandbag the guy. You know, one of the possibilities and you mentioned it. on why they wouldn't even do just a one paragraph or on it is somebody at West Point was the initial source. Somebody, I mean, you think of West Point as being, you know, pro their military, whatever.
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in the afternoon. Afternoon, I highly recommend. I don't know if I recommend being in New Jersey between dusk and 11 p.m. And by the way, now it's not just New Jersey. Reports today that these things, we'll call them drones because we don't know, but for lack of a better word, have now been seen in New York and over LaGuardia or near LaGuardia and down in Maryland.
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That doesn't mean they're pro Pete or pro Trump. And if somebody at West Point, you know, if the, if the call was incoming to pro publica and, and, you know, in an attempted smear that they were about to print and didn't because Pete had the records that West Point claimed it didn't have, that'd be a reason why you wouldn't say it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, right. Exactly right. All right. So now there are, we took covered activists, journalists, but we did not yet cover the sad, sad journalists down near, but not in Mar-a-Lago. There's a piece today, yesterday in New York magazine. The headline is the press is down and shut out in Palm beach. Steve Chung is not sympathetic.
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Steve Chung, of course, Trump's long term spokesperson, who's now his director of comms incoming at the White House. OK, so they start by saying the quoting. Good morning from West Palm Beach. I'm your transition pooler today.
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This is The New York Times is Michael Scherer, who wrote this on December 9th to a group of fellow reporters who have teamed up to take turns covering the post-election news out of Mar-a-Lago. but he doesn't have much to report. The reason is, he writes, I've reached out to the transition about today's schedule and have not heard back.
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Scheer was part of an unofficial press pool set up by the White House Correspondents Association to cover, you know, Trump's team down there. But the press is being kept at a safe distance. They point out this is very unlike 2016 when Trump let the press stand at the base of Trump Tower and interview all these candidates who are coming in to kiss the ring on their way in and way out.
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But this time, no, he's not really interested in it. And Steve Chung has said, hey, I didn't authorize your weird little transition coverage. You didn't ask us. We would have worked with you. You didn't, so pound sand. But they lament in this piece, the incoming press secretary, Caroline Leavitt and Steve Chung, sometimes don't get back to the shutout, frustrated reporters at all, Hugh.
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And they go on to say that these folks, okay, notwithstanding the fact that They don't know what's happening. They're not sure what's going on with the White House press room seating chart. And they can't get straight answers on whether they're going to be where they want to be and were. That they are, quote, soldiering on.
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Listen to this from the governor of Maryland who just dropped this tweet. Governor Larry Hogan. Last night, beginning around 9.45 p.m., I personally witnessed and videoed what appeared to be dozens of large drones in the sky above my residence in Davidsonville, Maryland, 25 miles from our nation's capital. I observed the activity for approximately 45 minutes.
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And that they're doing this notwithstanding the fact that hotel rooms on the island of Palm Beach are hard to come by and they are expensive. So most journalists are exiled. About a half an hour's drive in...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, right. So here's the end of the piece. It's my favorite part. Not only have they been banished to West Palm. Oh, God. It's like being bumped from the double wide to the single in the trailers. They say with the West Palm Hilton now officially sold out, some reporters have been forced to retreat to the court. Courtyard by Marriott out by the airport, Hugh Hewitt.
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The humiliation of these poor reporters.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You're the lowest of the low. And that's how you're supposed to live. And it's one of the very healthy ways we make you generally hate authority. It's just in this country, you're supposed to hate authority, whether they're red or blue. And you people don't.
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I would call back. I would call back and I would say, now I've seen a record proving that you misled me. So what is your explanation for misleading me? And I'd love to hear what they say. And depending on what they said, I'd go from there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But I would definitely be very interested in the fact that I'd been misled by West Point, which absolutely knows whether Pete Hexeth applied and not only applied, but got in. You're going to tell me that record keeping is that bad? Pete's, what, 44? He was in college 25 years ago. I'm trying to do the math there. It's not that long.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And West Point of all places would have pretty meticulous records.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like many who have observed these drones, I do not know if this increasing activity over our skies is a threat to public safety or national security. But the public's growing increasingly concerned and frustrated with a complete lack of transparency and the dismissive attitude of the feds. The government has the ability to track these...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. Well, here's like, I wonder because the other piece of it is when it comes to West Point, there could be national security implications. I would imagine the records there, they would keep them better than your average university would because who's trying to get in and why? Whose kid is trying to get in and why?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I would imagine those records are considered rather important by like the Pentagon because And so I do wonder whether they are as capable of hapless error. Probably they are, probably, as Princeton or where I went, Syracuse. Maybe not. Anyway, uh, maybe somebody will get to the bottom of it. Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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While we're on the subject of journalism, something interesting happened over at CNN and it's turned into a controversy and I'd love to get your thoughts on it. Clarissa Ward is considered a star reporter over at CNN. She's been there many years. She was at Fox for a short time. And, um,
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She is doing reporting on Syria and what's happened in the wake of Bashar al-Assad being chased out of the country to Russia and this new Islamist group taking over, you know, like the kinder, gentler al-Qaeda. And she was patrolling through the streets as in her reportorial role and
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And says that she came upon a Bashar al-Assad prison facility with one of these new, you know, quote unquote, reformed al-Qaeda types with her and that they went into this prison cell and, oh, no. there's a prisoner who is being held by Bashar al-Assad. And here's my interview with him.
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We got him out, we gave him some water and he had a bite of food and we stuck a mic in his face and this is extraordinary. And now in the wake of this interview, which got all sorts of plaudits all over the internet, people, oh my God, she's amazing, what she did, blah, blah, blah. Now some people are raising questions about whether She was misled.
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I think that's the most charitable thing I've seen on there. Some have suggested she may have been part of the misleading. I doubt that. But I don't know. I don't know what's happening here. And I'm not even sure there is a story, but I'm going to bring it to you because it's getting some steam.
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I'll show you. The Mediaite was one of the places that did a rather lengthy piece. They watch our business and reporters and raise questions about reports like this. There's a guy named Charlie Nash who raised some questions about the piece, and I'm going to show it to you.
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from their point of origin, but has mounted a negligent response. People are rightfully clamoring for answers, but aren't getting any. We are being told that neither the White House, the military, the FBI, or Homeland Security have any idea what they are, where they're coming from, or who has launched or is controlling them, and that they pose no threat. That response is entirely unacceptable.
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And then there's a filmmaker named Hassan Akkad who has been detained twice in Syria, and he has got some doubts about this video. All right, let me show you the first clip. This is part one. When they find this guy, under a blanket. It's high drama. You can see Clarissa's a little dramatic herself and I will say seems to insert herself into the story. Watch this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay, so here's what people are pointing out. He's pretty clean for a guy who's been in a prison cell for how many months? Three plus months. Three months. Three months without food or water for four days. What we see on that video is no waste whatsoever. at all in the prison cell and no- No facilities.
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Right. And we see a man who's still under the blanket, even though he's just heard somebody shot shoot off the alleged lock on his cell. Still under there. OK, maybe he's hiding. We see Clarissa Ward, who speaks, according to her, Arabic, only speaking in English in Syria. OK, don't know why that happened. And this guy, Hassan Akkad, says, says the following, I was detained twice in Syria.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think this is staged. CNN should investigate. Happy to be proven wrong. Individuals are never locked in communal cells. Cells look too clean. No discarded clothes, bags of bread, bottles of water, other blankets. And he has too much energy for someone who had no water for five days. This is what the cells in Syrian prisons typically look like, Hugh. We pulled this from one that was farther north.
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I join with a growing bipartisan chorus of leaders demanding that the feds immediately address this issue. The American people deserve answers and action now. This is crazy. We were told yesterday yesterday by John Kirby at the White House. Nothing to see here. We can't even confirm that there really have been drones.
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I mean, you can barely see the ground. There's so much debris and trash. I don't know. But here's what I believe. I doubt Clarissa Ward, who's a respected reporter, would stage this whole thing. But I do think there's a possibility she and the other media celebrating this moment are not being skeptical enough about it being staged for her.
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Here's the second clip where they're now outside of the prison and she's interviewing him, which, you know, I think like some people like I don't get it. Why? Why aren't you getting him to a hospital? But journalists are often heartless like that. That's she's not alone in that approach. Most of us would you know, we want the story and then he can go to prison. But here are the hospital.
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Here it is.
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She's holding him, rubbing his back.
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And this is leading now to senior government officials to step out and say, sorry, sir, we are seeing them.
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And folks pointing out online, how clean the man looks, the jacket, the pants, the fingernails, like it's just, and does he have the right energy level for somebody who hasn't had food or water in almost five days? Um,
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I don't know, but I think that there should be an investigation by CNN just to make sure they have not been used by an organization trying to look like heroes, notwithstanding their own controversial behaviors.
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No. And there's one other weird thing, potentially, it depends on your opinion, where in her exchange with Jake Tapper, who was asking her about this, she offers one additional detail. Take a listen to Sot 8.
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Possible. Possible.
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You wouldn't want to call your family first thing out of captivity after three, four months. And you you're so shocked you can't make. OK, it's possible. Right. But these all these are just like that's what led to the media piece.
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But it works for them to look like they are the kinder, gentler, that they, oh my God, Bashar al-Assad is even worse than you knew. This poor man, he's been under there. And we're talking about it, that it went everywhere. It went everywhere. So much coverage about how, you know, what an evil man this Bashar al-Assad is and how the new captors, well, not captors, but the new-
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, you'd have to kick those tires as a journalist, you know, again, being used. That's the biggest thing you have to worry about in this kind of situation is being used, being turned into journalistic propaganda. And perhaps Clarissa Ward saw that coming from a mile away and made sure that that wasn't happening. But I would like to hear more.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't, I'm not sure right now based on what I've seen. Okay. The controversy over the, The CEO murder, the United CEO, Brian Thompson, continues with people. Sorry, Brian Thompson, where people are continuing to try to justify this. We have been meaning to get to some of these stories, but we didn't quite get there. AOC weighs in. She does the this is not to justify violence, but bit, but bit.
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Here's what she said.
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And moreover, in the guy's alleged manifesto, he says, oh, they're probably people better qualified than I am to explain exactly what they're doing that's so bad. He doesn't sound like somebody who had lived this firsthand and had a personal great. Not that that would justify any of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But to your point, we don't know what this is about and what the evidence seems to be suggesting is you had a once perfectly normal young adult one minute and within the past three to six months. a switch flipped, which is totally consistent with some sort of psychotic break, whether induced by a schizophrenic problem or by, you know, drugs that he was taking.
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We don't know, but show me the evidence. And by the way, even if it is a claims issue too soon, too soon to engage with this guy's gripes and ideas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, let's look at what happened with the manifesto with the trans killer in, um, is it Virginia? We're trying to think of the city. Um, yeah, where they kept it from us.
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There we go. Nashville. Thank you. Where they try to keep it from us and it had to be leaked. I mean, I, part of it has been leaked online. I don't know if we've seen the whole thing, but it's like, of course there's, there are different rules depending on the person's, you know, status and the, the, the Kimmel having his producers, lusty texts, uh,
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After this guy, him reading those on the air, it's just the latest scourge on ABC News. And how can they share a calling card with this guy? It's just absolutely vile. Hugh, that's the state of our media today. I'm thrilled that you'll be coming on in the afternoon now to talk about it more. And I love the show and listening to your opinion. Thanks for being here.
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about the fact that they're no longer relevant and some bargaining and acceptance from the owner of the Washington Post, Jeff Bezos. We'll get to some of that in a minute, but we're going to kick it off with some breaking news on these drones with the question mark that we reported on yesterday in depth. If you missed that report, it's on our YouTube channel now.
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So joining me now is a prominent and outspoken cardiologist and creator of the documentary First Do No Pharm, Dr. Asim Malhotra. Dr. Malhotra's documentary sheds light on the pervasive influence of big pharma on healthcare, the truth about cholesterol and statins, and much, much more. Dr. Asim, welcome to the show.
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I thought the documentary was fascinating and disturbing. I remember, and I think this is one of the things you guys, that led you to make this documentary, a few years ago, the line on statins had become, the question in today's day and age is not so much why are you on a statin, but why aren't you on a statin? That they were being recommended for
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perfectly healthy people over age 50 who might get heart disease or clogged arteries at some point as almost like a preventative measure. And while the whole film is definitely not just about statins, that's where it starts. And it's very interesting. So let me kick it off by playing this soundbite of, um, a guy who was your patient, right? Tony Royal, um, who did take a statin.
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He was in a position of having had a heart attack, so his case was more severe. But the question of why not take one was experienced by him. The answer, I should say, firsthand. Here's Tony, slot 30.
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So, Dr. Asim, let's start there with statins and this problem overall.
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Yes. I don't get this. There's nothing to see their response by the feds. It makes me think it is the feds. But if it is the feds, why wouldn't they pause now that it's become such a controversy? They're still doing it. So I don't know what's going on, but it's very strange how certain the feds seem to be saying they are that it's nothing.
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If high cholesterol, high LDLs doesn't cause a heart attack and you potentially can see that number rise without freaking out, then what does cause a heart attack?
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Whereas honesty sounds more like what Larry Hogan said, you know, what these New Jersey lawmakers are saying, like, we don't know what this is and we need to know. Here's the headline from NBC yesterday. Now, key House and Senate lawmakers are demanding that top federal law enforcement officials immediately brief them on these mysterious drone sightings.
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How would you see... So I think the way a lot of people see heart disease is you go to your cardiologist and maybe they give you an echocardiogram stress test combo where they can see your heart and how it handles stress. And they'll see whether you have a thickening of the walls of your arteries.
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That's the gold standard test, I think, other than getting that, I guess, calcium score read with injectable dye, which is more invasive. But... So if you see fatty buildup on the walls of your arteries, then you have a mystery to solve, right? And today, I think the doctor would say, if you had it, don't eat so much red meat. Don't eat fried food. Exercise more, right?
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What would you say if you saw that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And here is Kirby right at the White House yesterday. He said that Homeland Security, the FBI and state and local law enforcement have not been able to corroborate any of the reported visual sightings of the drones.
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I want to get to the causes of why we've been so misled for sure. That's basically what first do no farm is about. And it's shocking. Our FKJ is in there. Our audience will recognize a lot of the faces. Callie means is in there. Dr. J about a char is in there. Great, great film. In fact, before we go any further, how can they see it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He said upon reviewing images of the sightings, law enforcement officials have concluded, quote, these are actually manned aircraft that are being operated lawfully and said there have been no confirmed drone sightings in restricted airspace.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because I was sent to me as a screener, but how can our audience see it?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay, good. So let's, let's remember that, uh, to, to see it. But before we get to that, you mentioned in passing just their Mediterranean diet, what all you added a couple of phrases on there. Can you talk about eating?
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Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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One question I have for you is, let's say I have listeners out there and viewers who are 60 years old and they're like, I'm constantly inflamed. I've lived 60 years of inflamed. I've eaten all the processed foods, but I'm inspired. Now I'm going to start tomorrow with a Mediterranean diet that's low-carb. can they undo 60 years of damage? Or is it like kind of a fait accompli at this point?
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I think a lot of people are like, forget it, I'm screwed.
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White House National Security Council telling NBC News, we have no evidence at this time that these reported sightings pose a national security or public safety threat or have a foreign nexus. But now you've got New Jersey Senators Cory Booker and Andy Kim, New York Senators Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Wow. And is your body then... at zero? Or are you closer to death than somebody who's been living well for their 60 years?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's great. Just to give people a place to get started as we go into the holidays. It's a good place to kick it off. All right, so let's talk about causation. Because when you first came out, you mentioned you caused quite a stir. But the industry wanted to cancel you at almost every turn. And you published a paper in the BMI. What was it called? The BMJ?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yep. And they tried to get your paper pulled. Yes. your film has an interview with a woman who was running it at the time who didn't know whether she was on your side or not, who was open-minded to pulling it if you had misstated facts and misled people.
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And she's pretty forthright about how once, you know, they wanted to see data and so on, but they ended up not pulling it and saying to the people who are criticizing you, Why don't you write a rebuttal if you feel differently? And they didn't really want to do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So this all kind of gets to, there's an absence of honest data from the people who are telling us things like statins are perfectly safe with a very, very good side effect profile. It's not just the statin drug makers, it's drug makers for the most part.
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who just, they hide information even from the people who are charged with reviewing their drugs and telling the rest of us whether their drugs are safe.
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sending a letter to the Homeland Security Secretary, who's also a Democrat, as you know, and the FBI director and the FAA head, all saying to all these guys, we demand a briefing. And some say we could get it as late as or as early as this afternoon, Hugh. This is bizarre. I don't remember seeing anything like this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They, like anybody who's associated with medicine, forget the magazine world, they're on a different page, wants you to lose weight. Any real doctor is against obesity, which is probably the number one or a huge risk factor for so many diseases, including diabetes, which just doesn't lead anyplace good. And what they have said on this show and elsewhere is, Eat better, move more, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like that's really what we're looking to do and throw out that food pyramid and stop, you know, eating six to 10 grains a day and so on. What we've done over in America and now increasingly in other parts of the world is take Ozempic. And I get the pushback to Ozempic as that's not the answer. You know, eat better and exercise more.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But this film, like some other pieces and books and films, has suggested it's worse than that. Like Ozempic actually is in the category of violating the do no harm rule. Like it actually may be more dangerous than it is beneficial. And I want to ask you about that because the whole thing is reducing inflammation and And this drug helps one eat less and therefore potentially reduce inflammation.
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It was recently cited in a medical article saying it may reduce your risk for Alzheimer's because of its reduction in risk for inflammation for the people who take it.
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Here's Dr. Robert Lustig in the piece talking about how it works. It's at 35%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Stomach to stone. I have not heard about that side effect from these drugs. What's that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Pretty horrific. Why aren't people dropping dead? I mean, that seems like it would kill you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's not pleasant. Yeah. Okay, so back to the problem of the nondisclosure of information and of big pharma controlling the messaging around their drugs. I did not realize that sort of the birth of these so-called scientific magazines involved big pharma, and that was kind of all part of the plan. The way I understand it from Do No Farm, your film, is of all people, Ghislaine Maxwell's father
The Megyn Kelly Show
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was in on the ground floor of forging this unholy alliance. And we have a little clip from the movie, Do No Farm, about this. I'd love to watch it, then have you explain what happened here. Sot 31.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The father of Jeffrey Epstein's longtime partner, Ghislaine Maxwell. It says in the headline of the article underlying the quote was the man who bought and sold science. Go ahead.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Same. I feel exactly the same. And on this one, we actually do need, we need some answers. I mean, I don't know what it is. Here is what I hope it isn't. Watch.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Joining me now, longtime radio host, Hugh Hewitt, host of the Hugh Hewitt Show, friend And one of our must-listen to commentators in America, his show is going to be moving to afternoon drive time on the East Coast in January. Hugh, great to see you. Are you ready to challenge yourself and dive deeper into the ideas that shape America?
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I was going to say, we know that big pharma has infiltrated organizations like the FDA, which has a revolving door to big pharma. And therefore, the people who approve the drugs that we take and we give our children and get from our doctors are not, they're compromised. They're trying to please the Pfizer's of the world.
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And I'm trying to think of the company that produced OxyContin with the Sackler family. Purdue Pharma.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, Purdue Pharma, thank you. They're trying to please Purdue Pharma because that's how they get paid when they leave government service. But this is something in addition. It's also these respected medical journals that are the ones that put out... I mean, I've received articles like that from my own doctor when I say, hey, what about this? Hey, is this something I should worry about?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And he'll send me an article from one of these places and... You're giving us a whole new way of looking at these with a big asterisk on these articles. You do feature, as I mentioned, RFKJ in the film. Again, it's at nofarm, spelled P-H-A-R-M, film.com, nofarmfilm.com, where he is talking.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I believe this is when he was running for president as opposed to now tapped for HHS secretary on what he thinks should happen to these medical journals. Here it is at 32.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Just as a process question here, Doc, I think one of the reasons I'm excited about RFKJ possibly coming in as our HHS chief is I think he's all over these issues. I think he's been living a life as a litigator in this sphere where he's been onto a lot of this stuff long before the rest of the medical and even legal community. Do you think I'm right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So what should somebody trust if they're going to Google a drug that their doctor has recommended to them? I mean, can we trust the NIH website? Because you get a lot of papers over there, but Jay Bhattacharya is not running NIH yet. I know Dr. Google is very dangerous, just typing in G. What can they trust?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're rooting against that, I think. I think that's worse than Iran or the Russians. Am I wrong? Or China?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We've got the one and we've got nofarmfilm.com. We're not done discussing what's in this gem, which you really should watch, but we're going to take a quick break and more with Dr. Asim right after this. Did you know that American homeowners nationwide have over $32 trillion in equity and cyber criminals are targeting it? They're not dumb. With a growing scam, the FBI calls house stealing.
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No, I don't get it. Let's just spend one second speculating on what it could be, because when I first heard about it, I thought, okay, it's probably like some smart MIT college guys who are super effective with drone technology and are having some fun. Maybe they're from New Jersey, and so they targeted New Jersey just to see what might happen. But this has been going on
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The Megyn Kelly Show
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So can we talk about the COVID vaccine? Because I know that you believe your father may have died prematurely as a result of one of the boosters. You've been very outspoken about the vaccines.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I know you got blowback when you suggested that these vaccines by Pfizer and Moderna were a likely contributory factor in all unexpected cardiac arrests, heart attacks, strokes, cardiac arrhythmias, and heart failures since 2021.
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which a lot of us believe, but every time we try to say there's a lot of, seems to be a lot of increased in cardiac deaths, we're told we're idiots and that it's just all the same numbers and it definitely had absolutely nothing to do with the vax.
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since November 18th, right? So we're like going on a month now and it's spreading. And even though the feds are saying to all of us, nothing's there, there's nothing confirmed. I mean, I know some of the people in New Jersey who say they've seen them. A friend sent me a video who I've known for two decades of what she and her husband saw not long ago. But anyway...
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Like the feds would know the feds would have investigated this no matter what they're telling us. So why would they be lying to us? What what could the explanation be that would cause the government to lie?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We're up against a time constraint here, but that does lead me to ask, is there anything those of us who have been vaccinated by the Pfizer or Moderna thing can do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay. All right. Well, I mean, yeah, millions of us are in it together. Good to know. Again, do nofarmfilm.com, nofarmfilm.com. Very interesting stuff, Dr. Asim. I understand. I have it on good authority that you are under serious consideration to also join the Trump administration in some important role, and I'm rooting for you. I hope it happens.
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Please come back if and when that happens, would you?
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That would be delightful. Thank you to you for all of your good work. Really appreciate it. Wow. And thanks to all of you for joining us today. We're back tomorrow with a bonus episode on the bombshell news about the Duke lacrosse case and favorite Christmas movies. There's a combo for you. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Could be Princeton people. That's in New Jersey.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Wait, wasn't Einstein there? He was there. I think that's a good theory. We're going to find out. I don't think this mystery will remain a mystery. And I don't think John Kirby's going to get away for another day or two of saying, don't believe your lying eyes. There were no drones. That's a bunch of BS.
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The Megyn Kelly Show
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OK, so speaking of don't believe your lion eyes, Pete Hexeth did get into West Point. That's the lead of our next story. And this is relevant, even though he went to Princeton. Speaking of Princeton, he he did get West Point decided in the end, after touring both and considering what his life would look like, to go to Princeton.
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But ProPublica, this far-left group, activist group that's tried to take down Justice Alito, Justice Thomas with smears, is now trying to take down Pete Hegseth by getting ready to report that he... was lying, that he did not get into West Point. So they called West Point to say, did Pete Hegseth get into West Point? And West Point allegedly told them not once but twice, no, he didn't get in here.
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He didn't apply here. We have no record of Pete Hegseth ever applying to West Point. So then they go to Pete Hegseth's lawyer, Tim Parlatori, and they say, we're gonna print that he lied. you have one hour to respond, which is ridiculous. As if this is like national security and they had to rush to print with it, Hugh, right? They had 60 minutes and he had to get back to him, baloney.
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So instead what happened was Pete Hegseth went on Twitter, on X, and posted his acceptance letter. He didn't deal with ProPublica. He dealt with us and said, take a look at this. Here's my acceptance letter from West Point. And now ProPublica is trying to defend itself by saying, hello, this is how journalism works. When you posted that, we stood down from the story. So calm down, Pete Hegseth.
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And to this series of events, you say what?
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Right. Be merciless on it. And then and then let's see those Republicans look at Trump and all of his supporters and say, we reject him, that we're going to we're going to stop him based on whatever comes out of that hearing. I mean, we'll see whether it's new evidence when they actually produce somebody on the record to accuse Pete of the things that have been alleged only anonymously thus far.
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I look forward to seeing some former Fox News employee get up there and say, oh, he was drunk. Okay, sure. You know what? I'll testify at the hearings. I spent 10 years working with Pete. He was never drunk, and I saw him in the prime time when you would be. Anyway, so that's Pete.
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I will say I think their hesitancy is based on Joni Ernst because I think we all think we're going to lose Murkowski, Collins, and maybe McConnell. Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe. But he doesn't like Trump at all. It's vice versa. So she's the one. And... I know she's saying things that are closer to a maybe, but you know as well as I do, Stu, why do I keep calling you Stu?