The Megyn Kelly Show
Met Gala Goes Racial, Media's False Trump NBC Narrative, and Affirmative Action Myth, with Andrew Klavan and Jason Riley | Ep. 1064
Mon, 5 May 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by The Daily Wire's Andrew Klavan, author of "The Kingdom of Cain," to discuss ridiculous elites at the Met Gala, the focus on “black male fashion” this year, out-of-touch celebs like Anna Wintour trying to play the woke game to avoid cultural and social backlash, how American culture is shifting away from leftist drift, how our society is breaking and why “ideology is death to art,” the increase in sexually explicit content in our culture, the false narratives from Trump’s Meet the Press interview on NBC and his "I don't know" comment, the truth about how Trump said he'd follow what the Supreme Court rules, the media spin about immigration and refusal to ever give the Trump administration a win, the shocking new audio of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s wife describing his abuse towards her, the left and legacy media ignoring the story and continuing to make Abrego Garcia their poster child in their fight with Trump, and more. Then Jason Riley, author of "The Affirmative Action Myth," joins to discuss the harms of affirmative action, why it hurts black students at elite universities more than helps them, the statistics that prove why these students would be better off academically at other great schools, how elite universities will be fighting Trump's anti-DEI efforts and the Supreme Court ruling, and more.Klavan- https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Cain-Finding-Literature-Darkness/dp/0310368340/Riley-https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/jason-l-riley/the-affirmative-action-myth/9781541604551/ Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldJust Thrive: Visit https://justthrivehealth.com/discount/Megyn and use code MEGYN to save 20% sitewideJacked Up Fitness: Go to https://GetJackedUp.com and use code MK at checkout to save 10% off your entire purchaseAncient Nutrition: Enjoy 25% off your first order at https://AncientNutrition.com/MEGYN
Chapter 1: What are the controversies surrounding the Met Gala?
Andrew, I'm not kidding. Like, it's actually quite perfect that you've written a book on finding God in the midst of evil as we watch this Met Gala take place. And the reason they've decided to go hyper pandering, it's the all black Met Gala. It's not only blacks who are going, but it's a pandering to black dandyism.
And the culture of black fashion is starting back with certain slaves all the way up to modern day. They Anna Wintour, Wintour so white and her partner, who's like organizing this whole thing with her, also a white guy. decided that they realized they would take a hit if they just tried to plan this.
So they brought in, which feels very much like black tokenism to me, like a focus group of black fashion elites, allegedly, and also just well-known black people like Angel Reese of the WNBA to like give them the imprint of approval. And some of these folks had like meetings at the Apollo Theater.
The New York Times wants us to know they went to the Apollo Theater to plan tonight's Met Gala, you know, historic theater in Harlem as they tried to pay homage to black fashion because I will submit to you and then you take it.
They have been embarrassed by the year after year after year press coverage of how disgustingly excessive and over the top this showing of wealth is where the plates go for over $70,000 a ticket. And you've got morons literally like the Kardashians and Diddy inside the Met Gala I witnessed with my own eyes dry humping in the bathrooms, smoking in the Met Gala bathrooms with cigarettes.
Another very famous pair from Wall Street snorting Coke, which my husband Doug saw with his own eyes in the men's room. And making a mockery of this place, which is supposed to house some of our greatest works of art. So now they've decided to try to get over this reputation of Anna Wintour being America's biggest snob.
And this thing being the most over the top elitist evil event by pandering to blacks. What do you make of it?
Well, first of all, I do want to say, Megan, first, thanks for having me on. But also, I do want to say that you have picked the person who may care about the Met Gala least in America. I think there may be people who can't maybe who can't see possibly who care about it less. But this is why you're perfect for it. I just why I'm perfect for it. I know.
And I thought it was kind of hilarious that they were going to highlight black fashion. I'm not even sure what black fashion is, to be honest with you. I would have liked it if they have highlighted white fashion. It would have been at least a little different.
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Chapter 2: How does the media misrepresent Trump's statements?
Or you wind up like the movie Reagan where you can't get nominated for Best Picture because you didn't have enough LGBTQs on your production set or people of color or indigenous, whatever. I mean, you go down the list, but you have to have these quotas filled in order to even qualify for the big awards in Hollywood. So it's just the whole thing is such a farce. It makes no sense.
You mentioned something at the top about how it's like hard to find a nice movie about a male-female relationship now. You're just like a beautiful, you know, heterosexual, falling in love, coming of age story. And...
I want to add to that because not only is it hard to find that, but like pornographic stuff is ubiquitous now, you know, teens, like they say the average 12 year old has already seen triple X porn on one of his devices by the time he's 12.
And then you think about, and this is no offense, but I saw this headline to my pals over the Trigonometry podcast, and I like these guys, but I saw online a lot of the women who I follow, who are strong women, were very angry with them because, and saying I'm unfollowing the show, because they're interviewing that woman from OnlyFans who had sex with 100 guys in a day, in 24 hours. Yeah.
you know, put it online. And then she's just all about these crazy, very depressing antics that she does sexually. And I see, like, I'm not about deplatforming and I still like those guys at Trigonometry, but that is definitely not an interview I would do. I would not want to highlight this woman's role in our society.
I think it's something we should be feeling really sad and depressed about, not giving greater, you know, prominence to or light to. But can you speak to that? Because that's all part of it, speaking of evil.
Well, I think it's really interesting to me that the Biden administration, which targeted Catholics who wanted to go to the Latin mass for investigation, feel that it's against the First Amendment to silence porn. Porn is toxic. It's poison. I I don't actually want to outlaw it. I mean, I'd like to outlaw it.
I'm not sure I can see a way to outlaw it without destroying people's freedoms and giving the government too much power. But it's toxic. It's toxic. And it's toxic for a really simple reason. It strips one of the most important interior things we do, which is making love to one another. Of everything but the body outlines that come together. And so it empties out the experience.
Boys who get addicted to porn never develop sexually. They can't have sex in real life. They can't relate to actual women. And this is part of, and you and I have talked about this before, Megan, but it's probably... to me, one of the most important subjects. This is part of a genuine attempt to erase the category of female from the human experience.
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Chapter 3: What are the criticisms of affirmative action?
A guy having sex with 100 women in a day would also be disgusting and also be immoral. But it's not quite the same thing as the self-immolation of a woman doing that, basically erasing the whole purpose of herself and her body and her soul, I would argue, by this absolutely demonic display. And I love the guys at Trigonometry, too, and I understand why they did it.
But still, I think that really what you should have on, if you want to talk about that subject, what you should have on is a priest. You know, you should have on like an exorcist or something like that.
Yeah.
Because that is a symbol of a truly broken society, broken at its core. And you know, I... This is a thing where Elon Musk and I are actually on the same page. It is the death of humanity. People stop having babies.
You know, it's not just... I don't think humanity will die out because people start having babies, but the places where people have stopped are the places where civilization is at its peak, where modernity is at its furthest limit. And I think that that says something about modernity and it says something about... the society we've become.
There is a very, very strong argument to be made, and this is actually one of the arguments in my book. There's a very strong argument to be made that our society, in increasingly losing its faith, And I'm not even gonna define that faith, just saying the faith in God that basically underpinned our society has gone insane.
That our society is a society of illness, where people can no longer see the spiritual realities that are right in front of their faces. We know that it was disgusting for that woman to sleep with 100 people, but it's very hard to put into words without becoming spiritual, without speaking spiritually, it's very hard to say what is wrong about it. It's her choice, why shouldn't she do it?
We don't understand why that's disgusting anymore. We know for a fact that it's disgusting for a man in a dress to go into a girl's locker room in an undress there, but we can't quite say why because we haven't got the spiritual diction to speak about it anymore. We actually don't know who we are anymore.
The guys who think they're smart, who think they're cynical and tough and see into the heart of things, talk as materialists. But materialism is completely unsupportable. When I say materialists, I mean people who think that we're nothing but stuff, that there's nothing to us, there's no soul stuff in us, it's just all physicality. That's an indefensible position.
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Chapter 4: How is American culture shifting away from leftism?
I'm not preaching to anybody. But just the fact that there is something beyond sheer being that underpins all of life, that is, call it the logos, call it the Tao, call it whatever you want to call it, that there is something there when you forget that you're not dealing with reality anymore and you start to become insane.
And I feel our entire society, the showing porn to children, the watching the endless watching a porn until you can't make love to a real woman anymore. Women, you know, selling their bodies on only fans and not understanding why that's a problem. All of that. Those are symptoms of mental illness. And I think that that mental illness is, is, permeates our society.
I think it defines our society rather than being a problem in our society.
I'll tell you, on Friday night, we were thrilled to go to our... We have three kids. They're 15, 14, and 11. And the oldest two were confirmed in the Catholic Church. Our eldest was a year behind just because we were asleep at the switch. It was a COVID thing. It whatever. It was fine. It worked out great. Cause they got to go through it together.
My, my older two and they both got confirmed on Friday night. And I was surprised at how moved I was by the ceremony. I did not expect tears or to really like they've been working so hard. Our, our church in particular does require a lot of, as they call them to come from Andy. And, um, These kids did a lot over the past two years to earn this right. And it was totally moving.
The bishop was there. They had their white gowns on. These young girls in the church with like their hair back and a little white ribbon. I mean, it just spoke to something deeply. higher and better and purer than what you get.
I almost likened it to like, you know, when you're in a freezing cold church with air conditioning, and then you walk outside on an August day and you get hit in the face by the 90 degree weather. It's almost like that to go from that kind of a ceremony where you feel connected with God and hopeful about your children's future and their relationship with him.
and like the set of moral blueprint that you get from a relationship with God. And then you come back into the news world and you see like the girl who's going on the trigonometry. Again, this is not to bash those guys. I love them, but I just, this woman's choices are really deeply problematic for me. And I just, I feel sorry for her. I feel like someone needs to save her.
I don't think she should be promoted. I think she should be like somehow saved. And I think we need to be saved. You know, we need to be saved. Stephen A. Smith was asking me, What happened? Like, why did wokeism rise? Why is it here? And I said what I believe, which I think you believe, too. We push religion out of the public square and we had nothing left. And these people need something.
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Chapter 5: Why is there a call to create new cultural content?
Let me play another soundbite on that same front, because they got into the question of the border. And Trump's basically saying to her, isn't it wonderful to say the border's secure? And she's obsessing now about, can your emergency declaration that justified closing it remain in place now that it's secure? Can it? Can it? Can it? Watch.
Border crossings are at their lowest level ever recorded. Is the border now secure?
Yeah, it's really secure.
It's absolutely secure.
Isn't it a beautiful thing when you say it's the most secure it's ever been in the history of our country? Isn't that a nice statement?
Well, I'm curious to know what it means. You declared a national emergency on the southern border. Will you lift that emergency?
Well, the biggest emergency is the courts aren't allowing us to take really bad people out.
We're going to talk about that, but talk to me first about this. Talk to me first about this.
That's such a leftist, right? First of all, she won't say yes. Why can't you say yes? It's like if you said, isn't it a good thing that the nationwide number of abortions is down? Like if you were to say that, she would never say yes to that. Like whether you're pro-choice or not, isn't it better that we're killing fewer babies? Like you can't say that.
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Chapter 6: What are the impacts of pornography on society?
And then last Saturday for my daughter's birthday party, before I went to my daughter's birthday party, he slapped me three times. And then last week I did call the police. My sister called the police because he hit me in front of my sister.
And then she wound up standing down on her request for a protective order as virtually all domestic abuse victims do because they're scared and they get generally threatened by their abuser that they will not pursue that through or the abuse will continue. Don't know exactly what happened to her case. That's speculation on my part. And then there was this, Andrew.
He got pulled over with a bunch of others back in 2022, and it was pretty clear that they were trafficking people across the southern border. It was like some car that had been weirdly enlarged without the normal sort of interior, and nobody wanted to produce an ID. And the person who was at the driver's seat had all sorts of questionable information that he was giving to cops.
It looked like he had a questionable past when it comes to alleged crimes and possible trafficking before. And here's some audio obtained by Fox News of that 2022 traffic stop. You can hear the police saying, and you'll hear it here, he's hauling these people for money. Listen.
How many rolls have you got in here? Four? Where? Four seats? Four rows of seats? Yeah, three seats. Yeah, we hit. Did y'all put an extra one in? Huh? Did y'all put another one in? No. Did it come like this? I've never seen one with that many seats in it. You know what you got, right? You know what you got here, right? He's hauling these people for money, is what he's doing.
Just to clarify, the driver was Kilmer Abrego Garcia and the owner of the car is the person who had the criminal past. And it had been modified so they could get more people into it. And so, I mean, it's just this is their poster boy. They don't care. It took leadership to tell them, stop doing photo ops with this person. But this is so on brand for them.
Yeah, well, that's the interesting thing. I mean, I said on my show, ladies, find a man who looks at you the way Democrats look at gangsters, because I think that this is the brand and it's a problem for them. You know, you have to ask yourself, what's the Democrat Party's business model, right? Every political party theoretically wants to win.
These are questions on which the American people are 80-20. 80% of the people want these people out of the country. And they're defending, not just defending them, they're crying over these, you know, obviously bad hats and not crying over their victims and kind of silencing their victims and shoving them under the carpet. And so you have to ask yourself, what is the business model?
And I think the answer is that the business model is global. It's not American. It's global. It's the idea that they are the global elites, that the borders are going to be erased. We're just not going to defend the borders. So it doesn't matter where you are. And ultimately, we're going to have the sort of one big, beautiful government instead of the one big, beautiful bill.
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