The Megyn Kelly Show
Why CEO Killer Snapped, Dangers of "Gentle" Parenting, and Rise of "Normophobia," with Dr. Leonard Sax and Candice DeLong | Ep. 962
Wed, 11 Dec 2024
Megyn Kelly is joined by Candice DeLong, host of "Killer Psyche," to talk about the shocking new details about the Ivy League-educated man Luigi Mangione accused of killing the healthcare CEO, whether the young man could have suffered a psychotic break, the bizarre outburst he had in front of the cameras ahead of a court hearing, and more. Then Dr. Leonard Sax, author of "The Collapse of Parenting," joins to discuss the societal issues at the core of what's wrong with young men and boys in America, the disturbing new details we're learning about the CEO killer and whether he may have "snapped," the major mistake parents are making by limiting family time, the dangers of social media for kids, why American parents are allowing too much time with friends and devices, the alarming trend of parents treating their children like adults, why this hinders a child’s ability to develop crucial life skills, the rise of soft and "gentle" parenting and its unintended consequences, how the shift ends up enabling a generation of rude and disrespectful kids, James Carville going off on young Democratic staffers, the troubling rise of "normophobia" - the fear or disdain among teens of being seen as "normal," how social media and the broader cultural climate has made being anxious a goal, the truth about gender and kids declaring themselves "trans," and more.DeLong- https://www.treefort.fm/series/killer-psycheSax- https://www.leonardsax.com/Join the millions of others who are already benefiting from these powerful, bite-sized lessons. Go to https://l.prageru.com/419fE2m and sign up for free today.Firecracker Farm: Get yours today at https://Firecracker.Farm/Done with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com/My Patriot Supply: https://PreparewithMegyn.comFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Chapter 1: What are the shocking details about the CEO killer?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show and happy Wednesday. We are learning new and disturbing details about the accused healthcare CEO killer as his manifesto and other chilling writings become public.
This comes amid more bizarre displays of praise for this guy, Luigi Mangione, from those who are positioning him as some kind of Robin Hood figure. I'm over it. I'm really over it. that psychosis by some faction of the American populace. Just, you know what, like Dr. Leonard Sachs is here in just a few minutes. I mean, this is the parenting expert. He's an MD, he's a PhD.
He has spent his life studying longitudinal long-term studies of children and actually practicing with children. And he actually knows a thing or two about psychology. And one of his main takeaways is have dinner with your children. Have family dinners. In a perfect world, seven nights a week. But as many nights as you can, even if it's short of seven.
Someone needed to do that in the families of the people who are now praising this guy as a Robin Hood figure. You're an idiot. By the way, heard this from our pals over on the editors. The guy... The Brian Thompson who was murdered, the CEO who was murdered comes from no privilege. His dad was totally self-made. I think he was a farmer.
And this guy, Brian Thompson, was totally self-made, pulled himself up, got himself to the top of the insurance world. The killer accused is from enormous privilege, tons of dough, the family owned country clubs, radio stations, health facilities, went to some Tony Boy's school for 40 grand a year, valedictorian, UPenn, Ivy League, all the advantages, all the breaks.
And yet he's supposed to be the Robin Hood? He's the one we're supposed to be rooting for? Screw you. It don't have the time. My mom always used to say, I cannot respond to irrational behavior rationally. And that is how I feel when I look at these morons trying to talk about this guy like he's some sort of our hero, this Luigi dude. All right, so Dr. Leonard Sacks is going to be on in one second.
But first, we want to get into some of the psychology of this guy and how on earth this could possibly happen. Like, how could this have gone down by a guy with that kind of pedigree who turns into a killer if what the police say is correct? And for that, we bring on Candace DeLong. She's a former FBI criminal profiler. She worked on cases like the Unabomber, the Tylenol murders.
We spoke to her on episode 466 about the Idaho murders. So you may be familiar with Candace's work. When they first recruited her over at the FBI, she was a head nurse over at Northwestern University. And then she went on to work, as I said, on some of the most prominent cases in America. She's hosted the award-winning podcast Killer Psyche with Candace DeLong.
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Chapter 2: How can parenting affect children's mental health?
It's one of many apps. I'm not endorsing any one app. Ethics and Public Policy Center has a wonderful online guide to the different parental monitoring apps. That's Ryan Anderson's group, Ethics and Public Policy Center. They've got a good online resource that reviews all the different parental monitoring apps. But yeah, NetNanny is one. Bark, Circle, there's a bunch of them
I don't endorse any one app. They're all very similar. They all give you a dashboard on your phone. They all light up if they see anything inappropriate. But you got to use one of these. You got to install one of these on your kid's phone and explain- What about, Dr. Sachs, the question of privacy?
You'll hear parents say, well, I need my child to trust me. And if she doesn't trust me, she's not going to tell me anything. So if she knows I'm sneaking around on her phone or I'm sneaking in her room to read her diary- it's going to blow up to the relationship to where I'm no longer a resource for her.
Well, you know, there's good things and bad things about the American Academy of Pediatrics. But in this domain of this question of how you balance that question of trust versus the dangers of social media and smartphones, I think the American Academy of Pediatrics in this domain has done Some very useful work. They hired all the leading experts who spent two years reviewing all the research.
And the experts said, look, this is a new world and a new domain of immense risk and toxicity. And for girls, the risk is huge. And once those photos are out there, they will never go away. You Google this girl's name, you're still going to find those photos today. It will always be out there. And these girls don't understand the risks and you have to balance those risks.
And the experts said in the official guidelines of the American Academy of Pediatrics, quote, there should be no expectation of privacy. when a child or teenager under 18 is online. No expectation of privacy. That's the official guideline of the American Academy of Pediatrics. A device with internet access should be in a public space like the kitchen or living room.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, which is a very left of center organization as we may get to later. They are saying- On the trans insanity in particular. Yes, trans insanity. But in this domain, They said a kid should not even have their device in their bedroom. It should be in a kitchen or living room because there should be no expectation of privacy when a kid is online.
There's so much bad stuff out there that they should expect to have the parent.
And they know how you feel. They know how I feel about social media use and children. But like John Rich, a great singer, music superstar, he actually wrote in on my ex account. And his question was, I don't have the exact wording in front of me. Hold on. It was what age is okay for social media, right?
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Chapter 3: What role does social media play in today's youth anxiety?
Bill Maher earlier this year had a huge bestseller with his book, and he observes in his book, young people are beautiful but stupid. Old people are ugly but more likely to be wise. So he continues, any successful culture will teach the young people to respect the old people so that they can learn. So the beautiful young people can learn from the wise old people. You can't tell me nothing.
Can't nobody tell me nothing. This new culture of disrespect where American popular culture from the Disney Channel to the most popular songs to TikTok and Instagram breaks bonds across generation. You can't tell me nothing. If you can't tell me nothing, why go to school? Why go to church? The new American culture of disrespect breaks bonds across generations.
And the result is kids in their bedroom looking at screens who want nothing to do with their parents, nothing to do with church. And the result is kids who are adrift. And this is a major factor driving this growing generation of kids who are adrift and looking for meaning.
Hmm. This is a, in our own family, it's a hard line. If, if the talk towards myself or my husband gets disrespectful, they will get punished and they know it, you know, we're not, they're usually very good kids. They don't, we don't have a ton of opportunity to punish them, but you know, that's smart talk back to the parent. That's extremely disrespectful. we will punish them for that.
But for this very reason, there have to be like societal boundaries within which we play. And if you're a child and you're speaking to an adult, all the more so. This reminded me, just asked my team to pull it over, of a bit James Carville did. after the election, the Bill Clinton aide who helped get him elected. And he's a Southerner, he's a Louisiana boy through and through.
And he's not woke, he's a leftist Democrat, but he is not a woke guy. And he went on a rant about young people within the campaign, the Democratic Party, who think they know everything because someone hasn't set those guardrails for them on understanding respect and respect for one's elders and that one doesn't know everything, especially as a young person. It's a great bit.
We haven't had a chance to play it for the audience. Here it is.
The vice president was thinking about going on Joe Rogan's show and a lot of the younger progressive staffers pitched a hissy fit. supposedly the campaign said that that wasn't a term effective, but they did. When you put a campaign together and you hire young people to do work, Let me tell you exactly what you tell these people, what I would tell them.
Not only am I not interested in your fucking opinion, I'm not even going to call you by your name. You're 23 years old. I don't really give a shit what you think. If I were running a 2028 campaign and I had some little snot nose 23 year old.
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