The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
Thu, 6 Feb 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by Andrew Klavan, host of The Daily Wire's "Andrew Klavan Show,” to discuss President Trump delivering on his promise to protect womens' and girls' sports, his monumental executive order banning biological males from female sports, why it marks a cultural turning point for protecting women, the false divide between men and women, how Trump’s unmatched resilience changed the Republican party, his "fight, fight, fight" mentality after the first assassination attempt, what we learned from the FCC publishing the transcript and raw footage from Kamala Harris' "60 Minutes" interview, the painful moments for Kamala that CBS News edited out, how legacy media lost the trust of the public, and more. Then U.S. Senator Ron Johnson joins to discuss Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s upcoming senate confirmation vote for HHS Secretary, whether any GOP senators might vote against him and any Democratic senators will vote for him, why he’s the right person to take on corporate interests, the absurdity of RFK's confirmation hearings, and more. Then Chuck Zito, actor and stuntman, joins to discuss his experience in the Hell's Angels infamous motorcycle club, growing up and getting introduced to martial arts, the infamous altercation with Jean-Claude Van Damme, his unique experiences as a celebrity bodyguard, his decades-long friendship with President Trump, Trump's loyalty and resilience, and more.Klavan- https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Cain-Finding-Literature-Darkness/dp/0310368340/Johnson- https://x.com/senronjohnsonZito- https://www.instagram.com/officialchuckzito/Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldJustThrive: Visit https://JustThriveHealth.com and use code MEGYN and save 20% sitewide.Byrna: Get 10% Off at https://Byrna.com/MegynFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. President Trump remains on offense and the results have been incredible. I just it's I can't get over it. The days keep passing.
He keeps doing more incredible things, amazing things, gifts to us, just writing the deep, immoral wrongs that were done to us during the Biden administration. And we knew he was going to. He promised that he would. But aren't you so used to being disappointed by politicians? Everything's too hard. It didn't work out. The Democrats wouldn't cooperate.
We get used to like, well, I guess, you know, we tried. And what's happening? Yes, it's via executive order. Yes, it can be undone by the next president. but it's something, it's progress. He's doing what he said he would do. He's fulfilling the promises he made to us. And then he will also push for the legislation. He is doing that too. But at least we have a four-year fix.
At least we have a four-year restoration to sanity and morality in some departments, like the one I'm about to talk about, such that Americans can live again in a way that makes sense, in a way that is safe, in a way that is normal.
And if another president comes in after Trump and tries to undo it, they will feel the acute shift in a way that will be profound and will, I think, stop the next president from doing it. So there is real value in these executive orders. Forget that. That's a valid point, the one I just made.
But think of all, for example, with respect to the girls in sports issue, think of how many girls are going to be protected. Think of how many girls are not going to have to undress in front of a boy pretending to be one of them. Are not going to have their teeth knocked out on the field hockey field. Because Trump used his pen to fulfill a campaign promise. It was a thing of beauty yesterday.
He signed. It truly was beautiful. He signed an executive order. banning men and boys from women's and girls' sports. And the NCAA has already said it will comply. It was a complete victory in the war to protect our girls. Just unbelievable. The video... Let's watch it, okay? Let's watch it because it's actually kind of emotional. And then I'm going to bring in our first guest.
Come on.
Come on.
Secret Service is worried about them? If we have to worry about them, we have big problems. Okay, do you want to have it? Watch what I do, and then I'm going to give you some pens, okay? You ready? What a nice picture this is, huh, Governor? You ready? We'll do a good job. Wait, let me press that. I want to make this a really good signature. Because this is, you know, this is a big one, right?
Oh, I think we have a 10.
We have a 10!
Surrounded by young, innocent, fresh-faced girls who just want to play their sports against other girls. That's all they're asking. Just for fairness and safety in sport. Something that for many decades has been a foregone conclusion in the wake of Title IX, but wasn't recently. Thanks to Joe Biden, that villain.
And his sidekick, Kamala Harris, who actually tried to convince us she could do this job. You know, we've talked about this, but the night before the election, I went to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and did something I've never done before in my life, certainly not as a journalist, but not even as a private citizen.
And that was I endorsed a candidate and spoke on his behalf and urged other people to vote for him. And I was there specifically, this was my task, I wasn't asked specifically to do this, but my choice to explain my vote was to tell people that those who were mocking President Trump's promise to protect women did not understand what he was actually going to do when he took the office.
That I was voting for him specifically because I believed that promise. We spoke about that night, Lakin Riley. I mentioned her by name. What was his first order of business? The very first piece of legislation he signed into law, the Lakin Riley Act to protect other young American women and men.
from the crimes committed by illegals who are here, who repeatedly offend, and then in these sanctuary cities get turned right back out onto the street, which is what happened in Lake and Riley's case. And now what? We've had three executive orders, one declaring that sex is binary. There are no trans anythings. You cannot transition from being male to female or female to male. You can pretend.
You can call yourself that. Do your thing. The rest of us do not have to participate in your delusion, and we will not be saying your pronouns or pretending that your delusion is anything other than unwellness. Then one declaring that the federal government would not be participating in any gender transitions because that's fake too.
You cannot use Medicare funds or Medicaid funds to chop off the healthy genitals of children in the name of this sick ideology, nor can any institution taking government funds in any way perform these procedures and continue to accept those funds. And now we get this one, this one that has 79% support of the American people.
67% of the Democratic Party is on the same page as Donald Trump on whether we should have boys who pretend to be girls playing in girls sports, men who pretend to be women playing in women's sports. The answer is no. This was immoral. It was evil. And it's coming to an end.
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Text my initials MK to the number 989898 to learn more today. Joining me now to discuss this historic executive order and all today's news, Andrew Klavan. He's the host of The Andrew Klavan Show at The Daily Wire and author of the forthcoming book, The Kingdom of Cain, Finding God in the Literature of Darkness, which will be released in May. Wow, I love the title, Andrew.
It's a similar theme to what we just saw today. Not that Trump is God, but that God was present as he signed that executive order in the darkness of these past four years yesterday.
Yeah, and you're absolutely right that even though these are EOs and we'd like to see laws passed, these are incredibly important because this is not a political movement that Trump is leading. This is a cultural movement. I mean, it's even... in some sense, a cultural revolution, if I can borrow a phrase from our old friend, Chairman Mao.
I mean, this is the complete destruction of a way of thinking that has been imposed on us, not just through the Biden administration. He was kind of the worst of it, but he was also the end of it. This is 30, 40 years of a way of thinking that absolutely makes sense. And what Trump is doing is he's doing exactly what the left has so expertly done to us. The left knows how to
Basically, you know, what Scott Adams, the Dilbert guy, calls talk past the sale, talk past the important point. So they get us into an argument about whether a transgender person can use a girl's bathroom or play in a girl's sport.
And while we're fighting about that, we've already lost the argument because we've already accepted that there is such a thing as a person who can transition from one sex to another, which there's not. And because Trump is such an expert at the culture, you know, he's not an expert at politics. He's an expert at the culture.
He understood that just by gathering those little girls and young ladies around him, he was showing us a picture of what we have been told to forget, that these are our women. These are our future mothers of a generation that I won't even get to see be born. These are wives of people who haven't even met them yet. These are the people that we cherish as women.
And for years, we've been taught that women can only feel that they've accomplished something if they accomplish something as men. And that means that somebody who is a man who dresses up like them is essentially can replace them. They've taken away these children's identities. They've taken away their achievements. They've taken away their feminine modesty.
They've taken away their spaces and their safety. And it is when you see those girls gathered around him, you know, you really you tear up, as you say, that God is present in that moment because we remember what we always knew, that these are people that we cherish and we cherish them in their girlhood, in their femininity, in their womanhood.
All this stuff that has grown up recently, that kind of that these Andrew Tate clowns and Pearl Davis who tell us we hate each other. These are all distortions forced on us by leftist feminism, by this idea that women are not valuable as women. They're only valuable as make-believe men. And and so we've kind of been taught we've got this anger in us, especially younger men.
I think they have this anger and this idea that we are at war with one another. That's never been true. That has never been true in any human civilization, in any successful human civilization. Men and women cherish each other. They actually respect each other. They understand that they're different and have different roles and different strengths. And they understand that they're complementary.
And all of that was wiped away until finally we found ourselves, you know, actually allowing people with penises to walk in to girls' locker rooms and bathrooms. I mean, it was a kind of insanity. 15% of the so-called women in women's prisons are men. And I mean, this is the kind of madness that we've been talked into instead of
Basically living on our common sense, our ability to know what we know. I mean, it's really interesting when my friend, you know, Matt Walsh at The Daily Wire made that film, What is a Woman? The answer was not as easy to come up with as you might think, because a woman is a whole thing. You know, a woman is not just a body. It's not just a genetic code. It's not just a shape.
It is actually an entire thing that we all understand in our hearts but can't always express. And the left has cleverly used its cultural expertise to talk us out of that knowledge. And Trump is using his equal cultural expertise, backed up by a new media that supports him, to remind us who we are, to remind us that we're men and women. We're glad we're men and women.
We think it's a beautiful part of creation. It's the source of all human life. And when you see them gathered around him like that, you just think, what have we done? What were we even talking about?
What kind of nightmare have we been in that we have to wake up from it like this and tell people, pass orders saying you can't castrate little boys and cut off the breasts of little girls and you can't steal their spaces and their sports. And it's an amazing moment and a genuine transition. And I think it will last. far longer than the usual executive orders.
I, I love everything you said. I'm feeling like I, I feel euphoric about it. I feel emotional about it. I feel a lot for the girls who have been hurt over the past four years who, you know, all these trans lobbyists are like trans people exist, you know, don't erase our existence. They erase the pain of girls just like that. They just pretend it didn't happen.
You know, I referenced that night in Pittsburgh and it was For me, it was a big deal to go and do that. I've never done that before. And it was really important to me to do it.
If I could convince any of my fellow women, because I know that there are a lot of Democrat women who were kind of open minded to Trump because of issues like this, who were still being told he was Hitler, who were still being told he hated women.
And I felt in my heart that if I could speak to them, if I could reassure them that even notwithstanding my weird past with Trump, I was fully on board in supporting him and that they needed to see him through this different lens. They needed to understand he really would protect us. He really would.
And that absolute cretin Chris Cuomo then mocked me for saying I needed to be protected by Donald Trump. I do want Donald Trump to protect me with laws that enforce, for example, our immigration policies. And I do want him to protect my 13 year old daughter, Chris Cuomo. So go fuck yourself if you don't understand that. But this is what I said that night. And it's why I'm so emotional today.
The boys should not be in the girls sports. The boys should not be in the girls' bathrooms. The boys should not be in the girls' locker rooms. Peyton McNabb, North Carolina sophomore in high school, slammed so hard in the face by a volleyball hit at her by a boy pretending to be a girl. She suffered traumatic brain injury and permanent paralysis.
Kamala Harris looks at her and says, be kind, suck it up. And that's what's right. Why do our girls have to face brain damage in order to be kind to boys who want to invade their sports? And lo and behold, he did it. He stepped in there. He's been in office two weeks and two days and he signed this executive order.
Therefore, it is the policy of the United States to rescind all funds from educational programs that deprive women and girls of fair athletic opportunities. I'm feeling emotional about it, which results in the endangerment, humiliation and silencing of women and girls and deprives them of privacy.
It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women's sports more broadly as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity and truth. Directing that this secretary of education take all appropriate action to affirmatively protect women.
all female athletic opportunities, and all female locker rooms, and to prioritize Title IX enforcement actions against any educational institution that denies female students an equal opportunity to participate in sports or athletic events by requiring them to compete against or appear unclothed before males. What a day, Andrew. What a day. He did it.
It's an amazing thing. When you really think about it, especially after the advent of Christianity, every Western civilization has been built upon the protection of women. The idea that women don't need special protections is simply a nonsense. It's not insulting to say when you have people who are stronger than you, who want what you've got, when you have the
The fact that you can conceive and deliver children who need to be protected and who make you more vulnerable because you're the one who has to protect them. Entire societies all throughout the West since Christianity have been built upon protecting women and making sure they have lives. The marriage laws that feminists, you know,
fall on the fainting couch over were invented by churchmen to basically say, no, you can't just kidnap a woman and carry her off and impregnate her. You know, you have to actually commit. If she's going to be faithful to you, you've got to be faithful to her. Entire networks of philosophy and society are all based on that. And the left just thought, I will turn that off now and it will be fine.
And what, of course, happens, you know, of course, women are victimized. And it's kind of bizarre to that a guy like Trump, who has been a playboy and all that and has said insensitive things, should be the guy to fix it.
But it's also kind of appropriate because one of the things that has happened is among the intelligentsia, the commentariat, is that they make fun of Trump for the way he talks, the kind of bluntness that he has. He's not an intellectual. He has no philosophy. And one friend of mine once called him the guy at the end of the bar. And I said, you know, when you've plunged into a time of madness.
The guy at the end of the bar has a lot to say, because all he's doing is talking common sense. And when Trump promised during his inaugural speech, and he promised we're going to have a golden age of common sense, that's what we're looking for. Because again, Megan, we do know these things. We do know what women are.
We do know basically what they need in order to live a full, healthy, normal life. We built our civilization around that protection. It's been the wonder of the world. I mean, it is the wonder of the world the way women have been treated in modern Western society. When you compare society before that, of course, there were flaws.
And of course, there were things that had to be staggered forward toward and grasp. But it is an amazing thing that has happened. not just in America, but in Europe in the 19th century, the rights that women have secured, the protection that they have, and the entire civilizational network built to protect them. And the left just wanted to sweep it away like it was nothing. And when you see Trump
with those girls around them. And, you know, I have a daughter and you do. And I, you know, you understand that this is urgently important. This is the all of us should be. This is not a male female idea. This is something that all of us as civilized Western Christian based people should care about down to our toes.
And it is it was a tremendously moving moment and only part of this cultural revolution that Trump is overseeing. It's a it's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
that he's overseeing and that ushered him into office. Here he is just a bit more from the man himself as he declared the E.L. Sot 1.
This was one of the big reasons that we all won and one of the big reasons that we had a record, a landslide like they haven't seen before very often anyway. And who could forget last year's Paris Olympics where a male boxer stole the woman's gold medal after brutalizing his female opponent so viciously that she had to forfeit just after 46 seconds and she was a championship fighter.
And actually they had two women or two people that transitioned and both of them won gold medals and they won them very convincingly. But all of that ends today because with this executive order, the war on women's sports is over.
It's amazing. It's huge progress. It does not. It's not going to apply to private schools that don't take federal money or to independent sports. You know, it doesn't it doesn't govern the Olympics. It doesn't govern, you know, whatever. Pick your sport that men are invading. That's that's another battle.
And it's an executive order, and we still need to sign the law, the law that we just had Senator Tuberville on the other day who introduced this legislation. And it keeps getting kicked out, keeps getting buried, even by Republican leadership right now in the Senate, which we're trying to pressure them into having a vote on this thing. It's called the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act.
So we need a law. The Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House. There's no reason we can't have a law. This issue has 79% support of the American people, 67% of Democrats. Here's CNN's Harry Enten laying out the numbers yesterday.
these numbers are really illuminating on this topic because i just think there's such a clear trend among the american public so transgender female athletes in women's sports only 18 of the country says that they should be in fact allowed to participate in women's sports compare this to the opposition i mean my goodness gracious 79 you rarely get 79 of the country to agree on anything but they do in fact agree on the idea of opposing transgender female athletes
in women's sports.
As he points out, what does this country agree on? Name another issue that we're 79%... in agreement on. I don't think you can find one, really. Maybe like how we felt about Betty White, right? It has to be something that generic and non-controversial. This is extremely controversial. The other way to do this is extremely controversial. And it's amazing to me.
We're actually going to be joined by Senator Ron Johnson after you, because he's on our side on this. And I'm going to ask him what he thinks. But this is The fact that Republican leadership won't let this come out for a vote in a Republican controlled Senate. Why not? What Republican would ever vote against it?
And why are we afraid of making the Democrats go on record with their no votes when almost 70 percent of their own caucus, their own voters agree with you and me and Ron Johnson on it?
Because the Republicans haven't caught on yet to the fact that the media is no longer controlling the narrative. The mainstream or legacy media is no longer controlling the narrative. They're so used to being cowed and frightened and whipped by this circle of media that surrounds Washington, D.C., that they don't understand that nobody cares what they think anymore.
Nobody cares what the New York Times opinion is anymore. It literally does not matter. And when you say that 79 percent, that's changed like 15 or 16 percent just in the last – few months. And the reason it has changed is because Trump has given people permission to think what they already thought. No one ever, ever has believed that people could change sex.
I don't believe even the people who think they believe it have believed it. But it took a guy, you know, the same guy who could take a bullet in the ear and spit the bullet back at the guy and say, fight, fight, fight. That was the kind of attitude it took simply to say that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes, simply to say that all these leftist propositions were
were not just wrong, they were immiserating, you know, they were immoral. And so when, if the Republicans as a group do not wake up to the fact that they are no longer constrained by this empire of lies, that the empire of lies has fallen, it is gone. If they don't catch on to that, they're going to be replaced. You know, they're going to be pushed out in primaries. They're going to
absolutely disappear. This is a different party. It's a different Republican party. There may be parts of that Republican party I don't like as a kind of mainstream conservative, but that's fine. This is a picking up. It's a populist movement in the sense that it is following the will of the people. And in this case, the will of the people
awakened by Donald Trump and other people who have had the courage to speak their minds like you, they're actually saying what simple basic truth that's right in front of them. And I think if the Republicans cannot bring this into law, they're out of their minds, because I think if they actually bring it forward, even some of the Democrats are going to have to go along.
Yes. I mean, talk about a no brainer. I want to pick up on your comment about the assassination attempt in one second. But you're a screenwriter, Hollywood screenwriter, in addition to being a very successful podcaster and book writer. Your comment reminded me, back when I was much younger, I loved this movie. I actually still love this movie.
I've seen it so many times now, I don't pull it up very often. But it's Far and Away by Ron Howard. It stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. And they're Irish, and she's sort of upper crust, and he's more working class. And he shows up in her hometown to kill her father, who's the wealthy landowner who...
He who had his dad, well, not killed, but like was disrespectful to their family and burned their house after his father died. So he shows up there to try to kill her father and shoots, but misses. And it's a debacle. Well, so she shows up and rescues him from the makeshift prison. Her mother has made for this Tom Cruise character and asks him to come with her as she goes to America.
She's fleeing to America to live a more independent life. And but he's just tried to kill her father. So why would she do this? And there's a great line where she's up in this ladder trying to rescue him from this second floor bedroom saying, boy, come with me. And he's looking at her like you're out of your mind. And she says, what I saw you do out there, you spat on that guy's face.
You stepped on his neck. That could be very useful to me.
Boy, you said you wanted land. If that's what you want, then come with me. And that's how you have to look at Trump, even if you hate him, which I don't. But I'm just saying, like, this is what people need to recognize.
He is the guy who spat out the bullet all but and said, fight, fight, fight. He's the guy who was told by everybody that Brett Kavanaugh was a gang rapist. And he said, no, he's going on the US Supreme Court. He's the one who, after January 6th, when the whole nation was like, you're gross and we never want to see or hear from you or your entire family again, was like, no, you will.
And actually, I will be your next president. And I will never concede anything about January 6th. I did win. has never, never budged. That could be very useful to us in fighting the vicious, deranged far left that wants to erase what it means to be human. They want to erase truly humanity, the difference between women and men is as fundamental and basic to who we are as anything else.
And yet they insist that we forget it because of this small, not particularly well group of people who happens to be extremely vocal and politically active.
Yeah, this is the exact reason I voted for Trump the first time, the first time he ran, even though when I first saw him, I was shocked. I made an extremely viral video attacking Trump the first time he ran because of his attitude and his his ill manners and the cruelty of calling people names and all this stuff.
But as I watched him, I began to realize that we were wrapped so thick in a network of lies that it actually was going to take a man like that to speak the simple truth. You know, I believe in being polite. I love being polite. I think it is a wonderful way to treat other people. But in being polite, I've always said exactly what I thought and I've always told the truth.
I think for most people, it takes a certain amount of just belligerence before you can break through this network. I've had conversations over the last 8, 12 years that I cannot believe, where you'll talk about transgenderism as a good example, and you'll say, you know, they're cutting up the bodies of young people. That's something out of Nazi Germany. They're always talking about Nazi Germany.
That's actually something they did in Nazi Germany. That is Joseph Mengele-level evil. And people go, well, you know, there's this theory, this woman at a college with this book, and you think like... Like, you know, and I've been kind of like, what on earth are you talking about? And I think this is the personality it took to basically bowl them over and knock them down.
And it has been, you know, they threatened to put him in jail. They convicted him of a felony. I was watching him during that bogus trial in New York, perhaps one of the worst miscarriages of justice I've ever seen in an American courtroom where they were accusing of something nobody knew what it was. I was watching him and thinking, you know,
I consider myself a fairly hard character, but I do not know if I could just spit in their eyes like this day after day while they're threatening to put me in jail for a crime they can't even name. And it didn't even stop him when he saw his mugshot. He looked at it and said, that would look good on a T-shirt.
Yes. And then his presidential portrait is almost the identical image of it. He totally leaned in. Somebody probably said, you know, it looks a little like the mugshot. And he was like, great. Then that's the one. That's a wrap of this. I mean, just just like that could be very useful to me. That could be very. useful to me.
Trump is very useful to all of us who have been trying to fight these fights, but without his steely resolve, without his power, without his never say die temerity and energy. And it's just such a gift to have him in there here. He on the subject of the assassination attempt and all he's been through. Um, and you know, there's just strength of this man.
He was at the national prayer breakfast this morning and said the following, listen to side eight.
It didn't affect my hair. Can you believe that? Might have touched it, but not where it counts. Not the skin part. But honestly, it changed something in me. I feel even stronger. I believed in God, but I feel much more strongly about it. Something happened. So thank you.
So first of all, just love his sense of humor. And when it's at his own expense, so much the better. But second of all, Andrew, I think you appreciate the second soundbite because he went on. And I think, you know, it doesn't seem to me that Trump is a particularly religious man. But I know he did grow up going to church on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.
We know the church that he used to go to. And he mentioned God and the role of God in our nation this morning. Appropriate place to do it. But take a listen to the messaging on it.
America is and will always be one nation under God. At every stage of the American story, our country has drawn hope and courage and inspiration from our trust in the Almighty. Deep in the soul of every patriot is the knowledge that God has a special plan and a glorious mission for America. And that plan is going to happen. It's going to happen. I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
It's going to happen. And it's his hand that guides us every single step of the way.
How about that? I mean, of course, we've heard that many times in church and so on. But he it's his hand that guides us every step of the way. I feel like Trump is the one being guided. He like Trump is the one being guided by that hand on a daily basis, setting an example for us all and improving lives for us all.
It was just to me, it was like very meta, you know, that he was saying those things, given all that he's doing.
You know, I was at the first two Trump prayer breakfasts, and on the first one, he really didn't know what he was doing. It was kind of embarrassing. He was talking more about himself and his success. I once called him back in those days, and I think I was right. I once called him the first post-Christian president in the sense that he wasn't even pretending to believe in the Christian verities.
He would make fun of people for being poor, which is the opposite of Christ. When he was asked if he needed God's forgiveness, he said, no, I just try to live so I don't need forgiveness. to be forgiven. He really didn't know what he was doing. And when he would start to pick up the evangelical language of some of his supporters, I didn't believe him.
Since that assassination attempt, his tone has changed. I can tell that he's, as you say, I don't think he's a tremendously religious person. I don't think he's studying theology or reading the Bible every night. But I think he suddenly does get the fact that these people who talk about God, like me, you know, are not talking about empty space. They're talking about something that is really there.
And his tone has definitely changed. And the things he's saying are things that he has learned from hard won experience. And I think it really is different and it doesn't make a difference because that too, as I know I've said to you too many times, that too is something that we have to learn to talk about with courage and boldness and not be talked out of the things that we know are there.
It's great to see him think about it and lean into it. I agree with you. There's a difference. Trump hasn't changed his basic nature, which is good because that could be very useful to us. But there's definitely been a softening, I think, of him as a human in that he seems a bit more loving. He seems a bit more serene.
He's still a fighter, all the things, but he has this other side now that we never saw much of publicly, even if we were trying to cover him fairly and not as part of that fake news hating media. he's just getting, he's more generous with showing that side of himself at a minimum.
Okay.
I want to shift gears because it was just a wonderful, wonderful 24 hours and worth the first half hour of our show. Okay. But something else significant happened yesterday with respect to CBS news. So the audience may remember that CBS interviewed Kamala Harris right before, um, 60 minutes and, uh, right. Yeah. On 60 minutes, right before the election, um,
And they put out this interview, which they sliced and diced. And you weren't quite sure what was, you know, was this the natural, like, was this a full interview or wasn't it? And then somebody online on Twitter was smart and pointed out that the tease that they had aired the day before on Face the Nation showed the interviewer's question, something like, Netanyahu doesn't appear to be listening.
And Kamala's answer was, And then the next night when they aired the full thing or that, whatever, yeah, the Monday night, it was the same question with a different answer. And that led to this whole thing where Trump wound up suing CBS News for $10 billion for fraud, consumer fraud, defrauding consumers to win an election. And the FCC demanded a transcript of
of the interview, which for some reason CBS just would not release. It became a big public firestorm. People said, just release the transcript. They said no. Well, now they've had to. They were forced to hand over the full raw video and transcript to the FCC this week. So it turns out now we know the full sit down with Kamala was just over 50 minutes.
And what they ultimately aired was a cut down version that was about 20 minutes in length. Now that is typical for 60 minutes. They don't normally air their full interviews and they don't typically release the raw videos anywhere. But having said that, they've done it before. They released the full transcript, I think, or video of J.D. Vance. Catherine Herridge was pointing that out.
They've done it before. So once it became a controversy, why wouldn't they have done it, right? The preview clip hit Face the Nation. It didn't match the version we saw the next night on 60. And watch, you can see that discrepancy in this clip here.
But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
Well, Bill- The work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
Not much better, but slightly more clear. With the release of the full video, now we know how that whole thing actually took place. First, the question from Bill Whitaker was actually edited down, and the part taken out was more pointed than the way it aired in either version. And you can see the full Kamala answer too.
It seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening. The Wall Street Journal said, that your administration has repeatedly been blindsided by Netanyahu. And in fact, he has rebuffed just about all of your administrations and treaties.
Well, Bill, The work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region. And we're not going to stop doing that.
We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
Okay, so what we learned is that the first half of that inane answer was aired on Face the Nation as a tease, and on actual 60 Minutes, which aired the next night, they used the second half of the answer, which was... More succinct, though I don't know that it was more clear.
I'm going to have to say 60 might have just been shooting for something that was a little closer to comprehensible, if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Neither answer was good. They both sucked. But now we do know that there wasn't more inanity stuck inside the answer. There were just those two bits of inanity, and they chose one for Face the Nation and one for 60.
Okay, but there's more. Because now we've seen the raw footage of the interview, and we learned that the next 10 minutes of Q&A was edited out entirely. Again, this is always going to happen. It's not inappropriate to edit an interview with a presidential candidate. That is the format of 60.
And most of us have limited time and limited airspace to put our interviews up in this kind of thing, like a pre-taped setting with somebody who's important. Not now, because I'm on podcast, but back when I was on the cable news or the broadcast news. But look here at what we never got to see.
We are a people who have ambition and aspirations and dreams and optimism and hope. If you look at the character of who we are and how we have achieved the strength that we have achieved, I believe in large part it is because of our character and our belief in the promise of America.
And I'm running for president because I want to do everything that is possible to create an opportunity for people to achieve those goals, those ambitions, and those dreams.
Okay, so she said absolutely nothing. You guys all know how many times we heard those stupid phrases, meaningless, out of her mouth. You can make the argument that, okay, they didn't need to include it because everybody's heard her say it. But you tell me whether it's putting the thumb on the scale editorially to take that out.
In essence, you could make the case that you're running cover for her because she is showing how what an empty vessel she is, that this is all she's got. This is a major supposed to be substantive sit down. And that's what she fills it with. This completely empty calorie calorie list filler that she says everywhere.
Like you'd have to have the debate internally about whether you're running cover for her and taking that out. Later in the interview, Kamala went on a bizarre aside about picture day in school in Ohio on the subject of the eating of the dogs and the cats in Springfield, Ohio, which they also saved her from.
You know, when I was attorney general, the words I spoke could move markets. So the idea that the former president, who again is running to be president, would use that microphone in a way that is about vilifying and demeaning a whole population of people. You know what has happened because of that? One day when this happened was a school day, picture day for an elementary school. Picture day.
You know what picture day is for our children? Oh, God. They get excited the night before. We put out the clothes they're going to wear. They go to school making sure their faces are clean and their hair is done. And they go to school for picture day. You know what happened to these children?
They had to evacuate that day because of the fear of the threats that were being issued in Springfield because of the words of Donald Trump. So I say that I'm glad you are pointing these comments out that he has made that have resulted in a response by most reasonable people to say it's just wrong. It's just wrong.
Unbelievable. That's where she went. Words have such power. What could happen to the children? Well, let's look at what did happen. Picture Day got spoiled. It got spoiled, I'm telling you, Bill. And by the way, then she references the, you know, the bomb threats, which we know and knew were international. Some came from Russia. It had nothing to do with America.
It was just shit stirring from out of the country. But somehow that's Trump's fault, all of which would have led to criticism of Kamala Harris. And it got omitted from the interview. All they included was that last sentence. I'm glad you're pointing these comments out that he's made. They've, you know, led to a response from people saying it's it's wrong. It's just wrong. All right. Another one.
I'm going to get Andrew to comment on all this, but we had to get this to you. In another section, a substantive discussion on the border. And this part was edited out.
There are a variety of factors that relate to what we have seen globally and what we are not immune from at our own border. in terms of what we have seen in terms of surge of immigration and irregular migration.
And there are solutions at hand, but we've got to have leaders who are solution-oriented, which we've been and are, and I am going forward, instead of leaders who want to make it a problem they can run on.
She's a know-nothing. So, Andrew Klavan, was it election interference, as some on the right claim, including President Trump this morning? Just your typical 60 minutes cut down? Or them, I mean, my own vote is like, it's not, I'm not surprised that all the edits they made were to her benefit.
Well, I dozed off during those last two clips, so I can't really say too much about them. But I think, look, you're right. It's subtle. What they did is they turned her from the babbling idiot we know she is into a faintly coherent presence on the screen. And they did that because they all vote for Democrats and they want to support the Democrats and they hate Donald Trump. That's why they did it.
But it's so subtle. Can Trump win a lawsuit? Probably not. Maybe they'll settle, but probably not. But that doesn't matter. These people need to be shamed. There is no bigger. criminal element in our country than the American legacy news media. They have really done us dirt.
And as far as I'm concerned, each and every one of them should be paraded naked through the streets like in Game of Thrones while we throw rotten vegetables at them and cry, shame, shame, shame. Because what they have done is they've made it almost impossible to hold anybody to account. They have basically cut off
the flow of a politician does something wrong, the reporter exposes the fact that he's wrong, he has to pay price for it, either legally or at the voting booth. That's the way a democracy is supposed to work, and it can't work without a free press, and we simply have not had a free press. If you look at this country since Obama was president, there's just been no penalty for bad actions.
I mean, the IRS takes after Republicans, conservatives, nobody gets fired. Oh, there was not a scintilla of corruption there. You know, forget about it because the press isn't looking into it. The press isn't exploring anything except how bad Donald Trump is. Most of and most of those stories were lies. So now you have the press that isn't even held to account.
You know, they tell us that Biden is sharp as a tack. Nothing. Nobody quits. They tell us that, you know, there was riots. Russian collusion. And then they give themselves Pulitzer Prizes for essentially elevating a Hillary Clinton dirty trick. They tell us that the Hunter Biden laptop isn't real and we have to therefore censor any reporter who explores the fact that it is real.
All of this stuff has been going on. To cut off the people from any sense of reality. And I think it has played into the left's ability to tell us that boys can be girls. It's played into the left's ability to basically do terrible, the kind of terrible things that Elon Musk is exploring in our U.S. foreign aid. All of those things they've been allowed to do because the press just won't.
will not do its job. You actually have young reporters saying, we don't need to tell the facts. We need to tell the truth. And you say, honey, if you don't know the facts, you can't get at the truth. You don't know what the truth is until you get the facts and until you report the facts and let the people figure out what the truth is. You know, they've been demonizing Fox.
And I know you've had your experiences with Fox News, but there is more real news on one hour of the Bret Baier special report show than than there is on the rest of the media, you know, for a week.
And the fact that they have been able to do these things without ever being held to account, it is to me glorious to see people being fired now, reporters being fired and replaced because they truly deserve it. These guys truly deserve to be shamed. So can Trump win this suit against CBS? I kind of doubt it, but it doesn't matter. Expose what they do. They're going to settle it.
Yeah, they may well settle.
They're going to settle it because CBS News, Paramount is trying to merge with this other group and they need government approval. So he's going to wind up getting another donation to his presidential library, I'm sure. Listen, I've got to get to this before you go. You predicted the Bianca Sansore nudity at the Grammys. I mean, almost exactly.
Here you were January 3rd, long before the Grammys aired on your show, The Andrew Klavan Show. Watch.
I predict that a starlet will show up at a French film festival wearing a completely transparent dress and a news site will describe the outfit as shocking, even though no one is shocked or even particularly interested.
How did... I mean, you said exactly what she did, a completely transparent dress.
Yeah. I apologize to France for thinking that it would be them instead of us. But I think the thing is, you know, listen, this is my thing. If I have any superpower at all is that I follow the culture really closely. And because I am an artist and because I create things, I can actually tell where things are going simply by watching movies and watching TV shows like this. And it...
it actually, it's actually not that hard. Once you're paying attention to that, instead of who's winning a congressional race in Ohio, you can actually see where things are going. And this idea that, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship, these women dressing less and less, and the media can basically get clicks by showing these half naked women.
So they have to be shocked by it. But at some point, you know, we've seen what there is to see. We're not
that shocked and so it was kind of a natural uh conclusion that this was this was the way it was going to go and i have to say if at some at some point i just feel pity for these girls you know i mean i just feel like this is what they've got you know i mean instead of showing up beautifully dressed and uh you know elegant and elevated so that we actually admire them they just have this kind of thing we we stare at which is nakedness and it's really kind of sad actually
I know I I'm, I'm waiting for somebody to show up dressed like a normal person and just holding up their SAT score.
That would that would be shocking. Then even I would be shocked.
Who has the confidence to do that? It really like it doesn't take a lot to get attention, especially as a woman who happens to, in her case, be beautiful. Though my husband, Doug, was like, I'm like, she looks she has a beautiful body. He's like, she does not. She looks totally manufactured like a Mr. Potato Head with all these huge parts added onto her body.
Fair point.
But I'm just saying it's not hard, not hard to get attention as a nude woman at a public event if you want it. It's sad that these two felt it was their only way of getting their name in the news. Andrew Klavan, thank you.
Great to see you, Megan. Thanks a lot.
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Godspeed, Bobby Kennedy. Let's hope you can do it. Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was voted through the Finance Committee this week along party lines 14 to 13. That means he will be headed for the Senate floor for a full vote, though that vote has not yet been scheduled. Reports are that it will likely happen next week. Will he make it?
Joining me now with his prediction, U.S. Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin. Senator, welcome back. So... This is important, and I know it's important to you personally.
Our audience actually is very familiar, I think, with the roundtable you did on Maha issues with Casey and Callie Means, with so many people who are in support of RFKJ because they care about chronic disease in this country, an issue I know is near and dear to you. So your prediction on whether he makes it.
Well, Megan, first of all, thanks for having me on. I'm optimistic now. I know that Dr. Cassidy, Senator Cassidy had some concerns. Those concerns were alleviated. So he voted for Bobby in committee. And I think that'll probably be the last hurdle. So I'm quite optimistic. And because you mentioned that panel, I thought that the most important snippet of testimony came from Dr. Chris Palmer.
He was a psychiatrist and does a lot of work with nutrition and mental health. And he made the point that they, whoever they are, they don't want to know the root cause of chronic illness because they are, you know, corporate interests.
And if one of their ingredients, a herbicide, a pesticide, a pharmaceutical, a drug, if it's a contributing factor or a cause of chronic illness or autism, that will disrupt their multibillion dollar business model. And, you know, of course, Bobby's testimony, I thought the fact that he said he spent the last few decades suing these agencies.
He has a PhD in corporate capture, which is why he is exactly the right person at the right moment in time here, because the American public in a completely nonpartisan fashion, they want to know what is causing chronic illness. They want to know what is causing the devastation of autism.
I was thrilled to see Cassidy vote yes. I want to say, again, thank you to the audience of this show because we gave out his contact information, and I'm sure his phones were ringing a lot, but I think they made the difference because it's not that often that a barrage of people start calling a U.S. senator's office or emailing the office, and indeed Politico has a report
out this week saying Cassidy acknowledged that his phone was ringing off the hook with calls from supporters of Kennedy and his Maha movement. So right on our listeners and viewers, you made a difference and America and your kids hopefully will be healthier as a result of it. I want to ask you about Cassidy though.
He sure did say that he extracted a lot of promises from Bobby in order to get the yes vote. Um, we have some of this on camera. Let's watch.
He and I would have an unprecedentedly close, collaborative working relationship. We will meet or speak multiple times a month. He will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes. CDC will not remove statements on their website pointing out. that vaccines do not cause autism.
But my support is built on insurances that this will not have to be a concern and that he and I can work together to build an agenda to make America healthy again.
So he seems to be saying there that they're going to be super close, they're going to talk several times a month, that he promised that the immunization schedule recommended by the CDC will not change. That is controversial, just the schedule, not pulling vaccines, but the schedule. And lastly, that he will not pull down the statement that the vaccines don't cause autism.
So what do you make of that?
Well, first of all, you know, Senator Cassidy is chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee. So I would expect the chairman of the committee would be in touch with the secretary of HHS frequently. So as I listen to what, you know, supposedly concessions, I don't really view them as many concessions whatsoever. You know, I know Bobby quite well. I've gotten to know him.
We fought the same battle in terms of bringing truth to American public during COVID. And he's very science based. So he will, I think his first task is to restore integrity to science. We heard President Eisenhower in his farewell address, the second warning after the military industrial complex was public funding of science.
It was gonna create a scientific and technological elite that would drive public policy. I would view that as corrupting science. Science has been corrupted. We have all kinds of evidence of that. And so Bobby's first task is to restore integrity to science. Make sure that the data is transparent, that you have everybody at the table.
You know, science sometimes is black and white, but often it is not, particularly when you're looking at cause and effect in the complexity of a human body. So, again, my guess is, you know, Dr. Cassidy is a doctor. He can look at evidence. Bobby Kennedy looks at evidence. He knows how to read science. So we will our policies will follow science.
where the science leads us, where the truth leads us. And I think both men, Dr. Cassidy and Bobby Kennedy, are going to come together on those points. So it shouldn't be controversial.
I think what Bobby's saying, he's not going to push getting rid of the MMR vaccine. Sorry, go ahead, Senator.
Again, he's not going to do anything precipitously. He's going to become secretary, and then he's going to restore integrity to science and let science guide his actions. And my guess is Senator Cassidy will also allow science to guide his actions. And the fact of the matter is, we have not ever tested any of these childhood vaccines against true placebos.
Ingredients, for example, the aluminum adjuvant I've learned was based on a study with four rabbits. One of the rabbits, they lost the data on. The other ones were killed after 28 days. Autopsies performed, and the aluminum was still in their systems, in their organs. So again, that needs to be looked at. These are legitimate questions that we haven't even been allowed to ask.
So Bobby Kennedy is still going to be able to ask these questions. He'll still be able to drive the science. And then restore integrity to it. So, again, I just don't view these as serious concessions he's making. He's going to be very open. He's going to be transparent, which these agencies have not been because they have been captured. They have been corrupted.
And I don't think Senator Cassidy is going to have a problem with the transparency within these agencies.
Good. Well, good on him for coming to the right decision. And sorry for all the phone call senators, but you did the right thing. Not really sorry, but I'm sure it was kind of annoying. Okay. A couple of things to get to here. When I sat in that hearing, as when I sat in the Pete Hegseth hearing, I could not believe the performance by some of these Democrats, Senator.
And as a member of the committee that was listening to the first day of RFKJ, I wonder what your reaction was when it spiraled down into moments like this one with Bernie Sanders.
Are you supportive of this? I've had nothing to do with leadership. Are you supportive of these onesies? I'm supportive of vaccines. Are you supportive of this clothing, which is militantly anti-vaccine?
What did you make of that?
Well, you heard my reaction during my time to comment and question. First of all, it didn't surprise me, but it really disappointed me, the severe, extreme hostility of Democrats. Again, particularly knowing with the events I did on COVID and on nutrition and health, how completely nonpartisan it is. Most of the doctors in my panels were Democrats.
They voted for Obama, they voted for Biden, but none of that mattered to any of us. I mean, we were focusing on an area of agreement. That's what Bobby Kennedy wants to do. So it was very disappointing from a standpoint that Democrats couldn't recognize the moment that the American people are hungering for the information. They don't want to be ill.
They don't want autism rates to continue to skyrocket. They want the truth. They want solutions. And there's nothing partisan about it. And let's face it, as Bobby Candy said, these people used to be my friends. His name is synonymous with Democrat Party, but they have just turned on him viciously.
And that's just disappointing, particularly in light of the fact that President Trump, Bobby Kennedy set aside the differences, focused on an area of agreement, chronic illnesses, and in so doing, demonstrated not only how you solve a problem, but how you heal and unify a badly divided, a horribly divided nation.
There are reports out this morning that the Democrats are now getting ready to vote no uniformly, all of them, on all of Trump's nominees, because this is their way. This is their new hashtag resistance effort because they're angry about what he's doing with executive orders, with USAID and Elon.
And so now there there's a movement by Chuck Schumer to have them say no to everyone from this point forward. If so, it would mean the Republicans really can't lose more than three votes. So to get RFKJ or anybody else through, you'd have to make sure that Cassidy stays steady and that there's not another Cassidy lurking.
We all know that possibly Murkowski, possibly Collins, possibly McConnell could be no's. So first, let me ask you, what do you think of that plan? And secondly, do you think that there is a different Cassidy who might surprise us and vote no against Kennedy? Because we are going to need all the Republicans, I think.
No, I don't think so. And I've had conversations with others. And again, I'm pretty confident that Bobby will be confirmed because most Republican senators have the same attitude as I have. We respect the convincing victory of President Trump. It's he's the one that decides who he wants serving his administration. Our job is to investigate, make sure there's nothing disqualifying the background.
But if not, you know, vote to confirm. And I think that's what will end up happening in these cases. Plus, with Bobby, you know, I did the initial whip count on him. And it's really interesting how the conversation went with Republicans and Democrats. They would always start out saying, you know, there's a lot that Bobby's doing that I really agree with that I really love. But.
And he's alleviated those concerns, those buts. He's answered those questions. And people do realize, I think even Democrats in their hearts realize that what Bobby Kennedy wants to do is unbelievably popular with the American public. But you don't think he's going to get any Democrat votes, do you? What's that?
Will he get any Democrat votes?
At this point, probably not, which is disappointing. You know, maybe John Fetterman. John is, you know, comes from a purple state. He's understanding the moment he's he has voted with Republicans when no other Democrat has. So possibly that. But it'd be nice. I think early on I was a little more hopeful.
But again, based on the hearing, the hostility shown from even members that are generally more moderate in their in their, you know, at least presentation came out pretty hostile.
Well, I really hope that these Democrats, whether they vote for him or not, can get behind the Maha movement, which is not political at all. There are Democrat moms and Republican moms and dads, for that matter, who want their kids to be safer and who want themselves to be safer. It's silly for people to prioritize this piece of our national conversation. It doesn't need to be politicized.
Okay, you talked about these elites in the scientific field and how they've had a we know better than you approach and how this has been a longstanding fear in the United States. I've been watching as you have been over the past many months trying to get documentation from the CDC and the FDA and the National Institutes of Health on what was said internally when Fauci and the others were there
about myocarditis and pericarditis and other side effects and serious risks or adverse consequences of the COVID vaccine. And I have been watching as you've been getting stonewalled and stonewalled and documents that are supposed to look like this, but instead look like this because they've been so redacted, totally whited out. As an effort to comply with your request.
So what happens now, Senator? Because now we have President Trump's team going into those organizations. Of course, RFKJ ideally at HHS. And then we're hoping Jay Bhattacharya at NIH. And we're hoping Martin McCary at FDA. So are we about to get the full disclosure on what they knew and when they knew it?
That year where the fact that I have now issued what I'd consider a friendly subpoena for documents that, again, I've written over 70 oversight letters during the Biden administration and been basically given the middle finger. So, you know, top of the list was the last 50 pages of Anthony Fauci's emails unredacted. He released 4,000 through FOIA. They're heavily redacted.
Even those are quite incriminating. We narrowed our search down to, or request down to 400. We've been allowed to go into reading room, take notes, but make no copies. And we got down the last 50 pages. They have not shown those to us. We've been looking for those for years. So those should be produced unredacted. That'll be interesting. plus the 17 pages of talking points.
Instead of issuing a warning on the Health Alert Network on the myocarditis that they were getting reports on from Israel, for example, in the early months of 2021, right after the rollout, they were gonna issue an alert on that Health Alert Network. Instead, they came up with a 17-page talking point memo.
It'll be really interesting to put together all the timelines of what these federal officials were telling the public what lies they were telling the American public versus what they actually knew behind the scenes. But we should get those 17-page talking points. That should be pretty interesting as well.
But also, their proportional reporting ratios, their empirical Bayesian analysis, which should be public information, but they've kept hidden, should also be pretty revealing. So again, we already know People like Fauci, Francis Collins, you know, these federal health officials lied to the American public repeatedly about their injections, about COVID. They didn't base things on science.
They just pulled it out of the air. I think there's going to be a reckoning. I think there's going to be a lot of truth being exposed here in the next couple of months.
I'll be very interested to see what you guys find. Please keep us in the loop, and we'll have you back on once you get your information back. All right, last but certainly not least, this historic executive order by President Trump today on women's and girls' sports, keeping men and boys out of them.
And we spoke with Coach Tuberville, Senator Tuberville, last week about why he can't get a vote on the Senate floor on his bill that would turn this exact executive order into law. We all love the four-year reprieve from this madness, but we'd much rather have it written into a law where the next president, if it were a Democrat, could not just revoke it with a different executive order. So
What is your take, Senator, on why John Thune will not schedule a vote on the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act?
Oh, my guess is merely a timing issue. And again, President Trump has acted boldly, swiftly, decisively to make sure that girls aren't going to be harmed by male athletes now. They're not going to be in their locker room, their bathroom, or they're going to risk, those organizations are going to risk loss of federal funding. So I think we have time to actually put this for a vote.
Now, it'll be interesting to see whether Democrats will join us. Of all the crazy, I mean, just gobsmackingly crazy protests agenda items of the Democrat Party, the fact that they promoted this transgenderism agenda and allowed male athletes to compete against our girls is the most, like I say, just jaw dropping of all of them.
So let's hope Democrats have seen the light and we can codify this so that the next crazy Democrat president doesn't go back to this transgenderism and put our girls and women at risk.
When you say you think it's just a matter of timing, what does that mean? Because, you know, we don't want to wait until after the midterms when we might not control both houses of Congress with sane people who will vote for this. So what does that mean? I mean, are you confident that Thune will bring it to the floor for a vote in the Senate?
Yeah, I'd be shocked if you didn't. Again, Democrats are not cooperating on nominations, so we're having to run the clock. And we have limited time for legislation right now. It's all about confirming President Trump's nominees so they can start getting in there, cleaning out the deep state. Again, I think the confirmation process is completely out of control.
I dramatically reduced the number of confirmed positions for both Democrat and Republican presidents, but that's not the state. And so right now, top priorities, get these people in place. and we'll turn our attention to this.
Again, this would be a pretty, I think, a high priority bill to get on the Senate floor to at least put Democrats on notice, put them on record that they really want biological males to harm our girls. I don't think that's a good vote for them.
67% of Democrats are in favor of Trump's policy. 67% of Democrats, 79% of the electorate as a whole. So you should bring it to a floor. Make them say no. Make them say no before the midterms. That would be really fun to watch. Um, a couple of things you mentioned, you know, you're in a big push to get Trump's nominees through.
Well, in the wake of the funding freezes that Trump issued early last week, both with respect to some foreign aid, now we've got the USAID controversy and other issues. The Democrats have decided to make Russ vote the nominee for OMB, Office of Management and Budget. They're their new fall guy. They don't want him to get through, but they can't stop him because he does have the votes.
So they're doing like a sleep in. I guess they can delay the vote by 30 hours. Here is Chris Murphy, Democrat senator from Connecticut, on this sacrifice he and his staffers have made.
I took the 2 a.m., actually I was on the floor about 1 a.m., so about 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. shift. I slept on my couch for about two hours of fitful sleep. I'm back up and headed off campus right now to talk about the danger of Trump's foreign policy. We don't rest. We don't rest. This is an urgent moment.
We have days or weeks to be able to mount an effective opposition to stop this slide away from democracy. And so I thank all my colleagues who have been part of this important night, and we're going right back at it today.
They don't rest.
Senator, your response? Big whoop, huh? What a charade. Again, they're not cooperating. They're dragging their feet. They're making us around the clock. But Russ Vogt, by the way, one of the better, if not best, nominees for President Trump because Russ is head of OMB. He writes the rules, regulations to implement a lot of what President Trump is trying to do.
And so he's just a key figure, highly experienced, very conservative. So I'm a big Russ Vogt supporter. Are you resting on the GOP?
Did you sleep on a cot?
We've done some of that stuff, too. But again, really, I'm not into feudal in general. Every now and you just got to show your supporters you're willing to fight. That's what Democrats are doing. Like you say, big whoop. It's no big deal.
Right. They're yelling into the wind, which is a cleaned up version of the way that saying normally goes. Senator, it's a pleasure. Thanks so much for being here.
Thanks for having me on. Have a great day.
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stuntman, actor, celebrity bodyguard, martial arts expert, and former Hell's Angel. That is just part of the colorful resume of my next guest, Chuck Zito. You may remember Chuck caused quite a stir back in May when he was spotted at Trump's business records trial in New York. He was part of the Trump entourage. The media had a field day reporting that a We've got a verdict.
Breaking news, a verdict has been reached in Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial.
Whether or not they were focusing on Trump's entourage, it's hard to tell. I will say, just as an observer in the courtroom, the entourage today is colorful.
You know, if you look at the entourage today, you see Alan Dershowitz, you see Chuck Zito, the former president of the Hells Angels. This is a show of force. This is deliberate. And quite frankly, this is genius.
The Hells Angels leader is a very large man wearing a very flamboyant suit.
Donald Trump had a new entourage supporting him in court today. One of the people who showed up, actor Chuck Zito. He used to lead the New York chapter of the Hells Angels.
That is amazing. A large man in a flamboyant suit. That clip is from a forthcoming documentary called Chuck Zito, An American Story. Chuck, welcome back. Great to have you.
Thank you for having me.
How can people watch the documentary, first of all?
Well, it's not finished yet. We just had the premiere at Mar-a-Lago last week. We're going back to the change a few pieces in it.
Okay.
Because so many people are interested in it. Like, you know, Netflix and Amazon Prime, so many people. So I was told by one of the networks to just, there was a couple of repeats in it. So we're going back to drawing board and tighten it up. And we're going to have a premiere in April in New York.
Okay.
So it'd be perfect then.
I love it. What do you make of that description of yourself? Flamboyant man in a suit. Former Hell's Angel. I mean, yes, somewhat.
Yeah, well...
You look good. Thank you.
Thank you. All right.
So I learned something in preparing for this interview that I did not know before. I didn't know that. I mean, I knew Hellsings. I always knew that they were kind of like bad boys, kind of cool, badass. But I didn't know that there's some rumors that you might have to kill somebody to become a part of the Hells Angels.
That's a myth. That's not true. That goes along with everybody. Of course not.
So what are the Hells Angels?
It's a motorcycle club. Guys who get together, ride motorcycles.
You have to be admitted? Yeah.
Well, you have to, there's a hang around process, then a prospecting process before you become a member. So you have to know someone to hang out first and then prospect and goes down the line.
Is it all Harleys?
Well, in the United States it is, but overseas, a lot of guys couldn't get Harleys. And then now a lot of guys I've heard are using, some guys are using Indians and some guys BMWs. But back in the day when I was there, it was all Harleys.
So you grew up where?
In the Bronx. I was born in the Bronx, then moved to Brooklyn.
Yep. My dad grew up in Brooklyn too. And we both lost our dads at young ages. You were only 12.
Well, no, no. You were young in that? Actually, when I say I lost my dad, it was when they got divorced.
Oh, okay.
Then my dad lived to 78 and he died in 1998. But when I say I lost my dad, it means that when they got divorced, I was always looking up to my dad and I tried to follow in his footsteps, being a boxer and everything. That's what I say. I should have made a little clearer on the thing because people think I'm 12 years old and I lost my dad. I know, it was sweet.
Even my sister says, what do you mean?
Well, it sounded like you really looked up to him.
Oh, absolutely.
You followed his footsteps into the boxing world.
My father was a great fighter back in the day in the 30s and the 40s. Years ago, guys had hundreds of fights. My father had 228 fights. back in the day in a 12-year career. And won most of them. He won a lot of them, absolutely. He lost 20. But he used to get paid $10 a fight. Now today, they're making $400 million in one fight.
That's like Jimmy Braddock type story.
Yeah, James Braddock, yeah. There's great fighters like Floyd Mayweather. He's 50 and old, but he's fighting like 28 years. There's a guy named Harry Greb back in the day. Floyd went 50-0 in 28 years. Harry Greb went 52-0 in one year.
Oh, my gosh.
So it's a big difference.
So you decided to follow the old man's footsteps and get into fighting boxing?
Yes, of course. Growing up with my dad and his... You know, I was living in the Bronx on Barretto Street and Hunts Point at the time. And it's even in my documentary. I was five years old and this guy Butch, like from the Little Rascals, used to beat me up every day. So I went crying home to my dad one time. He said, don't ever come crying home to me.
He's going to teach you how to defend yourself. So he pulled out his trunk and he had all his, you know, his gloves and his robe and his headgear and everything in there. And he put the gloves on me. You know, the gloves went up to my elbows. And he got on his knees and started teaching me how to box.
You learn from the best.
Yeah. So.
So I noticed too, because there's a lot, there's a big group today that's very into mixed martial arts and jujitsu in particular.
Yes.
People are loving. I know Joe Rogan loves it. I know Jocko Willink, he came on the show and said he believes we should all have our kids learning jujitsu.
Absolutely.
Not just for the physical, you know. nature of it and it's self-defense, but the discipline, the mental discipline that comes with it.
And the respect.
And you, how many black belts do you have?
I've, I've trained eight different styles of martial arts. I first, after seeing Bruce Lee and the Green Hornet, I said, I want to be like Bruce. So I went down to Aaron Banks karate studio in New York city and started taking a white crane and tiger claw Kung Fu with Mr. Chin.
You're very impressionable. You saw the dad do the boxing, you did the boxing, and you saw Bruce Lee. I'm glad you didn't watch Tootsie too many times.
Every time I saw someone like Steve Reeves, I think the greatest body, I saw him in Hercules, Hercules Unchained. I said, I want to look like Steve.
And you love Superman too, right?
Superman. Mighty Mouse.
I used to watch that Superman show every day after school. It was in black and white. They'd run the reruns.
Yes.
And, uh, with the original, you know, now it would look so dated to us. Right. But yeah, it was great at the time.
All right.
So you start doing the jujitsu or you start taking the martial arts.
I was boxing for a long time. Uh, after seeing Bruce Lee, of course, like I said, I started taking martial arts and I've trained eight different styles of martial arts. I went from, uh, uh, white crane and tight claw Kung Fu to, uh, Chiquita Jiu Jitsu, Kamiti Ryu Jiu Jitsu, BNS Jitsu.
Oh, wow.
I never heard of that. And I trained with, uh, uh, Enzo Gracie in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. So.
Do you have a favorite of those? Like if I'm going to have my kids take Jiu Jitsu, which one would it be?
Well, you know, I also did Japanese jiu-jitsu, which is a form of everything, you know, ground, grappling, boxing, everything. But Brazilian jiu-jitsu, let's face it, the ones who brought it to the octagon, you know, the Gracies, you know, they first brought it here before, you know, Fatidis bought the UFC and Dan White became president.
Yep.
So it was guys like John Milius, the director, he designed the octagon. And a guy named Mark Davey who had the tough man contest back in the day. So it was those three, the Gracies and Art Davey and John Milius started the UFC.
So if you've got all these black belts and all this discipline in the martial arts, how long would it take you to knock me out if you wanted to? You? I've never hit a girl in my life. If you had to, let's say like 30 seconds, 60 seconds.
Boom.
He's flicking his fingers.
Actually, that's what, well, his show he did.
So he asked me how long would it take you to knock me out. I said, it'd be over by now. It already would have happened. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're not afraid of, not a girl, but you're not afraid of punching a celebrity because I've heard there was an incident with Jean-Claude Van Damme.
I've had a few.
What happened with him?
That's why I don't work that much.
What happened?
I was just, uh, you know, it was, we, we got along real well. And we were, uh, I was his bodyguard in 1992. And, uh, we went our separate ways and I didn't see him till six years later. And he came in with Mickey rock and like five guys and, and scores. I was having dinner. I'm familiar with scores.
That's where all the beautiful women went to.
That was back in the day. So we had a little argument and, uh, You know, I felt bad because I got so much publicity from somebody else's misfortune.
How did he upset you?
He just said something to one of the attendants in the men's room when he was in there. Said disrespectful. So I went up to him.
About you?
You know what? It happened.
Yeah, yeah. It's a long time ago.
29 years ago. Almost 30 years ago. But I like to talk about it.
Is it like an Italian thing? Like you got offended. He offended you.
Of course. Of course. I mean, you know, you got to, you know, back up your words. So and that's what happened.
So you went over and gave it to him. Yeah. And he did not.
But it took 17 years for us to talk again. So we're friends now. And like I said, it happened so long ago.
Right. He goes down. No, it's like you don't want to insult him. I understand. That's sweet. But most of us, the thought of punching Jean-Claude Van Damme is horrifying. We'd get punched back and it would not go well for us. You have a lot of experience. He insults you. You take him down. And then there's actually a really fun epilogue to the story 17 years later.
17 years later, yes.
What happened?
I was actually at a Floyd Mayweather when he fought Pacquiao, Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. And Floyd got out of the ring, went to his family first. I was the second one he came up to. He hugged me, and they had the camera on me. So Jean-Claude was home with his daughter and son. Bianca. And he goes, that's Chuck Zito. She goes, yeah. He goes, invite him to my documentary. Not documentary.
Invite him to my movie. He just came out with a new movie. So I went and we saw each other. And he says, thanks for coming. I said, thanks for inviting me. And we hugged and kissed each other. And it was over. After 17 years.
Good for him.
Yeah. So we're friends.
That's great.
I hate to bring it up because it was so long ago.
No, you didn't. I brought it up.
It's not your fault.
But the reason he knew you prior to that whole incident, you pointed out, was you were his bodyguard. So you took your background in learning self-defense and so on and parlayed that into being a celebrity bodyguard. You bodyguarded some of the best.
Everybody could think of back in the day. Liza Minnelli was my first client. She's amazing. So, of course, being around Liza. When I met President Trump, we were at the same restaurant, same clubs, and of course we became friends, and we've been friends over 40 years now.
She's in one of my and my husband's very favorite movies, Arthur.
Oh, that's great. She's hysterical. That was amazing.
In that movie. Yeah, she used to be a huge, huge star.
Yeah.
So that's interesting. You got like one foot into the celebrity world with her and that opened up lots of doors.
Yes, a lot of doors, a lot of doors. And she was doing a play called The Rink with Chita Rivera at the Martin Beck Theater years ago. So everybody came to see Liza. I mean... You know, Elizabeth Taylor, Liberace, Don Rickles, you know, Robert De Niro, everybody. You know, Al Pacino, everybody came to see her. So they had to go through me to get to her.
Wow.
So, of course, I met everybody and we all became friends all these years.
Who stands out as like a particularly great person?
You know what? Everybody had their own character because everybody says, who was the best one you worked for? Everybody had their own character and their own, you know. their own way and so.
Was there anybody, like the guests who came to visit her who you didn't like?
Well, I know. Well, they were all, you know, superstars at the time. But, you know, you're a superstar.
You can see the ones who are super nice even to the bodyguard and the ones who aren't.
Well, everybody was nice to me. I have to admit it. That's good. So if they weren't, then we took it to the next level. But I remember I used to wear rings when I was in a club on every finger. And I was Liberace came in and we were comparing rings.
Oh, wow.
Yeah. Yeah.
What is this ring?
This is actually Elvis Presley's exact copy of Elvis Presley, TCB.
Can you guys see it here? See if you can see it. TCB, what does that stand for?
Taking care of business in flesh.
It's beautiful. It's very gold. It's very large and it's got a diamond front.
And I got to show it to you. Okay, thank you.
Oh, my gosh. Must weigh five pounds. I just showed up so the camera can see it. So this is Elvis Presley's?
It was. His is in the Graceland, of course, but that's exactly the same. I had it made in gold and everything like his, the original one.
That alone is self-defense.
Yeah. That right there. But I would never. Yeah, but if you needed to.
Oh, yeah, there's another one. What's that?
That's a boxing glove. That was my father's ring.
Oh, wow.
So...
There's a scene in the movie where Sylvester Stallone, who I know you also bodyguarded, must feel like a very big responsibility. I mean, if he can't take care of it himself, it's a serious threat. So it's got to be.
I bodyguarded for Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson. Wow. They could take care of themselves, but they're not in a position to get involved with somebody. Of course.
Yeah.
Look what happened to Mike on the plane and everybody else. Yeah.
And we saw Conor McGregor at the inauguration. He had a bunch of bodyguards, too, for the same reason. It's not that they can't protect themselves.
Look at Floyd. He walks around with 10 guys. I mean, you don't want to get sued.
Here's a bit from Sly and Brother Frank in your documentary, Stop 44.
I guess I was at pretty much the height of my popularity, so they overdid it, you know, with security. You know, at the time, whoever was in charge of security said, oh, well, we need more people. And then Chuck and a few of his friends volunteered. And being a very outgoing guy, he struck up a conversation. I noticed, you know, we kind of looked like very similar, like brothers, in a sense.
Of course, he looked just like them. We looked more like them than I did. I was being hunted, and since we looked alike, I was hoping they'd shoot Chuck. That was actually the motivation. I gave him a t-shirt with a bullet on it. Nice.
Now I know why he hired me. Is he not a great guy? Yes.
He's a true gentleman.
He's brilliant. He wrote Rocky back in the day and nobody could do it but him. He was brilliant. He came with the franchise, Rocky, Rambo, Expendables. He's just a great guy and very talented and a great writer.
Absolutely. As he was speaking there, we heard a soundtrack pop in from Joan Jett. Joan Jett. And there's a reason we have Joan Jett. She's also in the documentary talking about her relationship with you. Here's a bit from Joan. This is great.
The next time we saw him was in Japan. That whole tour that we did, we went to tour in Japan in 1985. Very good. had them in our crew. And the way I looked at it is they were doing security and had to do it for us at some points.
Okay, so just the fact that you know Joan Jett is so cool. She's just cool.
She's, you know, she's the queen of rock and roll.
Yeah.
She started at 15 on Runways and then broke off and did Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. All of her music is still Turn Up the Dime. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. She does all the music for my documentary.
these people must really like you to have appeared in the film, you know? Cause it's one thing, like I've had lots of bodyguards here or there at various events. I'm not sure like they'd ever call me to be in one of their movies. So how do you maintain, like what happens there?
Well, you know, every, like I said, everybody I worked for, we had a great relationship and we became friends. Like, like I said, Liza was my first, uh, my first client, uh, Sly Sloan became my friend. We became good friends. And I just asked these people if they would, uh, come on, do my documentary. And not, not, not one hesitation. Everybody came and, uh, and did it. And, uh,
Cause you, in between the boxing and the martial arts and the bodyguarding, there was a stint. She mentioned Japan where you went, there was some brief time in the slammer. It was brief.
I spent four months in a Japanese prison.
Okay.
Wasn't, wasn't good, but I was locked down 23 hours a day.
So, and they put you out in Japan and then you had to come back here and go to jail.
Then I came back here, but, uh, The worst prison in the United States is like a country club compared to Japan.
Oh, really?
Yeah. That was like my first time in jail. I said, well, I hope that not all the prisons are like this.
They were accusing you of a drug crime.
Yes. Okay. I was indicted for making a telephone call to a guy who sold a pound of methamphetamine. I never made the phone call. I was in British Columbia making a movie called Year of the Dragon. I showed them my receipts, my phone bills, everything. But they wanted me because at the time I was the president of the club and my club, you know, Hells Angels Nomads.
And the government wants you, they're going to get you.
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
Of course, they want you to, you know, talk on your friends and all. Of course, you know, I wouldn't. And I wound up getting a phone count is four years. The judge gave me 10.
Wow. So I went to like 18 different prisons, though, in that 19. Why so many?
Well, I had a few problems with some people, and every time you have a fight, they transfer you because they didn't want retaliation. Shock. So I had probably 10 good fights in prison.
Whoa.
Yeah.
You're one of the few people who wasn't afraid going in.
Yeah.
But this becomes kind of relevant to your friendship with Trump. I mean, when he got indicted on criminal charges- For his alleged bookkeeping errors.
Yeah.
That must have struck home in a particular way.
Like I said, I went to his trials and we've been friends for a long time. And what they've done to him, you could never... I would never imagine it in a, you know, a hundred years that they could do that to a former president and one who's, you know, running now.
How'd you guys meet?
We met at a, basically, we met at a restaurant at first and then I was with Liza and they, they've been friends for a long time. And of course, 3054, we saw each other. So everybody used to go there back in the day. Everybody, you know, somebody was always there. So, and I used to work also at Cafe Central. And every, no matter what night it was, you'd see 10 actors there.
You know, Eliza Minnelli and Bruce Willis was the bartender.
Oh, no way.
Yeah. He used to make me eight creams.
You're kidding me.
Before he was a big star. Sure, sure. And everybody was there. Eliza Minnelli, Cher, Peter Riegert, Treat Williams, John Goodman. Yeah. De Niro, Pacino, Joe Pesci. Everybody used to go to Cafe Central.
And Trump. Yeah. So you maintained a friendship all this time.
Always.
He's in the documentary. We have a little bit of him. Do we? Yes, I think we do.
I saw him.
Oh, we don't have the clip, but I saw him. And he goes on and on about you and how much he likes you.
He is so great. I mean, I am so blessed and honored that he did it for me. You got to realize he's the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, and he opens and closes my documentary. He's loyal. So I am so honored and humbled that he did that. And he's loyal.
So why did you feel it was important to go to the trial?
Because he was getting railroaded, and I wanted to stick up for him. I stick up for my friends, and I want to show my support and, you know, support him. I mean, they charge him with all these, you know, phony charges and everything, and we know that. So, and we know, I don't care what they say, when he was at that trial, was fixed, you know, when he- The 2020 election? Absolutely.
You do not believe it. We all went to sleep. President Trump was winning. We woke up and Biden was a president who never campaigned.
Mm-hmm.
So it was all fixed. I say that, and I still say it.
And what did you think on November 5th when you saw the returns coming in?
Oh, I was there. I was at the... Mar-a-Lago? No, I was in Washington for when he won, of course. Oh, yeah. And I was just... I mean, we're all just... He's, as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest president we ever had in the United States. He, you know, promises and keeps it. And he's just great.
You spent a whole life between the Hells Angels, not to mention the prison time, the boxing, the mixed martial arts, the bodyguarding. Yes. I mean, Trump's also extremely tough.
yes so how you know about tough guys i call him a savage because he is uh who any other president or anybody else who we get shot they'd be under that counter there and that he got up he's wait wait when he put up fight fight fight he's just i mean there's nobody like him he's just so so nothing fazes him i mean uh And they tried. And you know what?
When I'm crazy, it gets me that people say it was staged.
Oh, it's infuriating.
You know what? Corey Campatori lost his life shielding his family. That's right. The other two guys were shot also. And they think he's going to say, do me a favor, just nick my ear.
I know.
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And that's how some people think. And that's what gets me infuriated. It's such an insult. I mean, it is an insult. And people stole. A lot of them, he's doing... the first hour he was elected. I mean, he started signing the orders and, and he's going to change this country around back to where it was.
Have you seen like a big change from the Donald Trump you knew back in the day at, you know, the cocktail lounges and the one who you see now?
Oh, well, you know what? He's, he's the same guy to me, but he's just so strong. Like I said, he's resilient. He's nobody like him. And, uh, I love the guy. I mean, I'd do anything for him, but, uh, We've never had a president like him. And you got to realize, years ago, I never got involved with who was the president. Who cared? It wasn't until President Trump. It was the first time I ever voted.
Really?
First time. I never cared before. And until the day he became president, I mean, all those other people, all those woke people, all those phony people out there, they didn't like him. But... Like I said, I never cared about who was president before. But they talked since the day he became president. They have not stopped talking about him.
Every day you heard President Trump, President Trump, and everything else. But as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest president we ever had. And he's for the American people and America.
And he's for you because, I mean, he's a very busy man to take the time out to appear in this film. All these people, I think that's something extraordinary about you, Chuck, and I really enjoyed the story. You are a colorful character. I can see why so many have gravitated towards you.
All right, so keep us abreast on when it's actually going to hit and where, and we will update the audience so that they can enjoy what I enjoyed. So nice to have you here.
Thank you. Nice to meet you.
Thank you.
You remind me of me because you say exactly what's on your mind, no matter who likes it. I'm the same way. I'm honored. I've been a fan, big fan of yours for years.
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me again.
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