The Megyn Kelly Show
Lawfare 2.0 Fighting Trump, and Sparring with Newsom, with Charlie Kirk, and Former Female Athlete Speaks Out | Ep. 1029
Tue, 18 Mar 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA and host of The Charlie Kirk Show, to discuss the activist judge who is trying to stop the Trump administration's deportations of Venezuelan gang members, why district court judges have no jurisdiction to interfere, the Lawfare 2.0 strategy of the left to fight Trump, Stephen Miller shutting down an activist CNN host's attempt to "gotcha" him, the truth about the law the Trump administration is using for deportations, the bizarre way Mahmoud Khalil was able to obtain a green card so quickly, whether other interests in the Biden administration fast-tracked his application, the full backstory to his appearance as first guest on Gavin Newsom’s podcast, how he saw an opportunity to expose Newsom’s inauthenticity, why it could hurt Newsom's chances in a Democratic primary, his hypocrisy in talking moderation but governing as a radical, and more. Then Minna Svard, former NCAA athlete, joins to discuss her experience placing second against a man posing as a woman, how he robbed her of a national championship, the pressure she faced to stay quiet about the situation, and more.Kirk- https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-showSvärd- https://iconswomen.com/Ground News: Use the link https://groundnews.com/megyn to get 40% off the Vantage subscription to see through mainstream media narratives.Home Title Lock: Sign up at https://www.hometitlelock.com/MegynKelly and use promo code MEGYN250 for a FREE title history report AND access to your Personal Title Expert —a $250 value! Check out the Million Dollar TripleLock Protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://www.hometitlelock.com/warranty Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Chapter 1: What is Lawfare 2.0 and how does it affect Trump's policies?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are starting to see the signs of Trump Lawfare 2.0 as the new administration battles with multiple left-wing judges, but one in particular, over the Trump team's authority to deport gang members. I mean,
OK, we're talking about Venezuelan gang members, and this apparently is the hill the left wants to die on. The White House says the deportation flights will continue and that they will win this fight all while the media melts down. And Gavin Newsom's been busy podcasting. I mean, you know, like your state, parts of it, large parts of it remain in ashes. Maybe you should be governing.
But instead, he wants to do what I do, which is fine. It's fun. But, you know, they elected him to do a different job. And he's trying to figure out how Trump crushed his party last November. He's talking with some of the biggest names in MAGA world. His first guest earlier this month was Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA and host of The Charlie Kirk Show.
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Thanks, Megan. I'm doing great. Great to be here. Thank you.
suspected gang members. Trump says these are gang members. Tom Holman says they're gang members. We've done our homework. That's who they are. And we are shipping them out of the country with a ride. I mean, we're being courteous to them, giving them a ride, although it ends in El Salvador at a prison, which is generally where gang members wind up, whether it's domestically or internationally.
And this judge is losing his mind that Trump is not doing everything he's commanding him to do. And this is the closest thing we've seen yet to a constitutional crisis. You know how the left has been throwing that term around. And it's not because of Trump. It's because of a judge who thinks he's the president. This Judge Boasberg is speaking to Donald Trump as though he's
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Chapter 2: Why is Gavin Newsom podcasting instead of governing?
Okay, this is now the second part what we're seeing, and both simultaneously are animating the activist left, which is, well, what if we also challenge the power of the unelected judiciary? This is not judiciable, and which meaning Anything that happens overseas when it conducting foreign policy, a district court judge does not have jurisdiction over.
He can try to invent some ways while he does, but the ramifications of this could directly impair national security. I could go through dozens of individual types of movements or actions that a president has done over the last 20, 30 years that, God forbid, a district court judge would get involved with.
One that was very high profile during President Trump is when he took out the head of ISIS, widely celebrated by both Republicans and Democrats. Remember, President Trump said he died like a dog and he was screaming. And what if a district court judge would have enjoined
and said you know what actually yeah exactly uh well yeah there was al-baghdadi exactly and there was also salamani from iran but you're exactly right al-baghdadi what if a district court judge would have enjoined president trump's ability to use american troops to go after the head of isis saying you know what i want to learn more about actually who these troops are i want to know the intelligence i want to know really what's going on here i mean this is so outrageous to anybody that understands how american foreign policy must operate secondly
that the constitution is very clear this is an article two question that all authority when it comes to foreign policy vests in a commander of chief and commander-in-chief that is the president of the united states and i want to give a lot of credit to stephen miller and susie wiles and the white house team because they really thought this one through you see the kind of shallow analysis is oh the white house is moving so fast they don't know what they're doing
No, no, no, no. You look at how well prepared they have been for this. They picked the right fight. They wanted this one to go to the White House. Think of all the criteria that they were able to isolate here. Trend de Aragua. So every single one of these were people that were members of Trend de Aragua, which was mentioned earlier.
and actually categorized even under Joe Biden as a foreign, operative word, a foreign terrorist organization from the Venezuelan government. That is number one. Number two, it involves foreign policy so that a district court judge absolutely does not have jurisdiction over it.
and number three which i think is so incredibly important is that they then domiciled the terrorists in a foreign country and president bukele who is awesome by the way is literally like laughing at this district court judge like yeah you don't have jurisdiction over here you don't have sovereignty here you see typically the left they made a big mistake here the aclu made a huge mistake they took the bait they said oh my goodness the president is invoking a 200 year old law well time out the constitution
is over 200 years old. So I don't know exactly what they're getting at here, but they took the bait. They rushed into court. They sued. They said, oh, these murders and these rapists, we have to make sure that they stay in America. When in reality, they thought they were getting President Trump and his administration to stop what they were doing.
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Chapter 3: How does the judiciary impact Trump's deportation efforts?
Especially for a guy who was working for UNRWA, the UN group that basically helps Hamas. I mean, truly, even Joe Biden admitted that and started defunding them post 10-7. And that's where he came from. That's where he was before he got into Colombia. So there's something very sketchy about this guy. And now he's represented by 19 different law firms.
I mean, they couldn't get to his defense fast enough to try to stop... the Trump administration, from deporting this guy. And it's amazing to me to watch the left delude itself that this guy still has some shot at American citizenship. No, that ship has sailed. Mahmoud Khalil will never be a U.S. citizen. It's done. The only question is whether we can kick him out, which we clearly can.
All of it is just so infuriating. And I know the left wants to say it's free speech, it's free speech. It went well beyond free speech. The people who just said we hate Israel, we stand with the Palestinians. They're fine. That's fine. It's totally fair game under our First Amendment.
You can you can even say I'm sympathetic to Hamas, though you're getting closer to espousing support for terrorists there. But go ahead.
But I just want to make one point, which is that if an American citizen goes and burns a flag on a college campus, that's grotesque and it's bad. And that is constitutionally protected. But if someone on a green card, which is a permission slip, it's probationary, as you perfectly said, it's a time for us to see who this person is, goes and burns an American flag.
No, you should be returned to your country of origin. Sorry, you failed the test. You shouldn't be here. Like you're here to try. You failed your tryout. Your job interview is an F. And so they do not get the same protections. Of course not. We're looking at them. We're seeing, are you going to make a good citizen?
We have such a perverted and just such a left wing view of how immigration should work. We have to reanalyze and go back to first principles that people who come here as immigrants, they are here as invited guests to enrich the homeland of the country and to make our lives better. and to make the lives of native citizens better.
And if their lives are also made better in the process, hopefully they are, then everybody wins. And that is immigration at its best, like the example of your nephew's wife. Of course, you'd make America a better place. Those are the types of people that we want in the United States of America. She would not be going to Columbia University burning an American flag.
So I think that we need to take a step back and say, if you are here as an invited guest, and you act in a way or you espouse beliefs such as burning American flags or doing these types of practices, we're not going to throw you in a prison cell, but you will have to fly coach back to Damascus. That's only fair.
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