The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Wed, 16 Apr 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by Batya Ungar Sargon, The Free Press columnist, to discuss the breaking news of Letitia James being accused of multiple instances of mortgage fraud, the hypocrisy of how she handled the Trump case, the overall failure of the lawfare efforts against Trump, Democratic Senators lying on social media about the Abrego Garcia case, Maryland's Senator actually performatively flying to El Salvador over it, how the corporate media is framing him as just a nice Maryland dad, Obama jumping in to support Harvard in its fight with the Trump administration, why Trump is pushing for fairness for and against extremism on college campuses, how the reputation of Ivy League degrees has completely eroded, fake female “astronauts” Lauren Sanchez, Katy Perry, and Gayle King mocked for their ridiculous mission, their out-of-touch perspective praising themselves, even left-wing celebs critiquing them for how it looks, and more. Then attorney Stacey Evans joins to discuss her client, a doctor, who sued NBC News for defamation after calling him a “uterus collector” over supposed hysterectomies of detained illegal immigrants, the truth about the story that even some at NBC knew behind-the-scenes, why they were able to settle based on what was found in discovery over, how the lawyer is a Democratic politician and was disappointed that she had to sue MSNBC but had to do what was right and fair, how discovery showed MSNBC knew that the story about a Georgia doctor being called a “uterus collector” had major red flags and might be false, how they aired it anyway because it appears it was helpful politically to the left, and more.Ungar-Sargon- https://www.amazon.com/Second-Class-Betrayed-Americas-Working/dp/1641773618Evans- https://www.staceyevanslaw.com/ Tax Network USA: Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://TNUSA.com/MEGYN to speak with a strategist for FREE todaySelect Quote: Get the right life insurance for YOU, for LESS at https://www.SelectQuote.com/MEGYNARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYN to get 15% offDone with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com & tell them Megyn sent you!Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have so much to get to today. Later, we've got the lawyer for the doctor who recently settled his massive defamation case against NBC News.
She will join me to explain exactly what they did on The Rachel Maddow Show, The Nicole Wallace Show, The Chris Hayes Show, and on MSNBC.com with people like Jacob Soboroff. That wound up costing NBC some undisclosed amount of money with which the plaintiffs say they are, quote, very happy. And the facts of this case are shocking. We'll get to that in just a bit.
But there's so much news to get to first. There's the latest on the Abrego Garcia case. Democrat senators making absolute fools of themselves now going to bat for the illegal immigrant suspected MS-13 gang member. This is their poster boy on the left now who was sent to El Salvador. He's El Salvadoran, okay?
There was the removal order saying don't remove him there because he might face gang violence. That gang has since evaporated. They've been extinguished. So the danger's gone. What we did was send him back to his home country. It's not like a gift. I realize he's sitting in a prison. That's going to be El Salvador's problem.
Right now, it is a showdown, legal showdown between the Trump administration and this judge. But really, as a practical matter, we sent an El Salvadorian back to his country. And the ladies of the Blue Origins mission, the space mission, literally, they're talking about it like it was Apollo 11. They think they're Neil Armstrong. It's amazing.
They are getting ripped now, not just from the Megyn Kellys of the world, but from all these lefties, all these Hollywood celebs are going on Instagram and elsewhere and expressing their disdain for what... these women did and how they're celebrating themselves. Wait until you hear how they talked about their 10-minute trip on Jeff Bezos' sexual fantasy rocket. A lot to get to.
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Chapter 2: What allegations are being made against Letitia James?
All of that is going to be shoved right down her throat and into her craw. In the context of this investigation and this case. Now, she'll tell us what her defense is. I'm I'm all ears. Cannot wait to hear how she's had alleged repeated slip ups on her mortgages like one. You could understand. I don't know, like maybe the dwelling that she said is four bedrooms instead of five.
Maybe they did something with the fifth bedroom. She's counting as a study, although that's not the way it works. In a mortgage law, they want to know what qualifies as a bedroom. They don't care how you're using it. I'm just trying to look for ways to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not sure how you say your father is your husband. That's a tough one.
It's not exactly what she's being prosecuted for. But if true, it absolutely shows a pattern of dishonesty. And by the way, pattern evidence can get in. in criminal trials. They've been using it against Harvey Weinstein and others up and down Letitia James' New York State criminal system. So this woman's in a lot of trouble today. I'm telling you, this is serious.
Having read the complaint, Jonathan Turley was on Fox last night and he said exactly this. It took me less than a minute to find cases prosecuted under this statute. for false claims of principal residences and the other allegations. So this is not some unusual statute that they bring up from time to time for enemies.
This is actually quite frequently enforced and says this woman previously prosecuted Trump for everything short of ripping a label off a mattress. She emphasized he was ultimately responsible for any filings made in his name or that of his company, irrespective of whether he had seen them or signed them personally. He
he authorized them just as she would have here and said the great, he said the greatest danger for Letitia James may be if the Letitia James standard is applied to her, where she emphasized such technicalities matter and that the powerful should not be given a free pass. This is, this is just unbelievable. I mean,
Fannie Willis goes down because she couldn't keep her zipper up long enough to actually see the prosecution of Donald Trump through, right? And then I believe she lied under oath very clearly to me, as well as her paramour, Nathan Wade. So that case crumbled. It crumbled even though it was a state case. He couldn't be pardoned. There were all sorts of reasons why that one was problematic.
But to your point, his enemies are just the worst people. Then Jack Smith loses the Florida case before Trump even won because he was the wrong prosecutor. They held that the appointment of this particular prosecutor was wrong. The J6 case was all but gutted by the Supreme Court, saying he's got presidential immunity for most of this. The only one who got Trump was Alvin Bragg,
And even that case was really undermined by that presidential immunity finding and ultimately kind of crumbled at the very end, even though Alvin Bragg was determined to see it through so he could call Trump a convicted felon. And I think it'll be reversed on appeal. So what do you have now? You do have the E. Jean Carroll verdict, which we all know is bullshit.
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Chapter 3: How is the Blue Origin mission being criticized?
And they're looking at like, you know, these these ne'er do wells, you know, these illegals who came here illegally broke the law, you know, and they are standing for them. And I just keep thinking this is them like being like, is this how we get back the working class? No, it's not how you get back the working class. No.
Seventy three percent of men who voted for Trump, men who are people of color. This is from Ryan Gerdersky. He's great on the polls. He found that 73 percent of non white men who voted for Trump want to see radically less immigration. And it's because it comes at their expense. Their American dream was put on hold so that the Democrats could walk around white knighting for illegal migrants.
And they've had enough of it. And that number, Megan, is growing and growing and growing.
I mean, I. care about the working class and I want them to have better job prospects, but I also care about the safety of young women like Lake and Riley, like this 37 year old mom, Rachel Morin, who was killed on a jog, mother of five by an illegal who was harboring there, who raped her and beat her to death. And Caroline Leavitt was making this point perfectly the other day at the White House.
I think it was yesterday about how they're very, very concerned about Abrego Garcia getting his proper due process. They don't say one word, not one word about the Lake and Riley's or the Rachel Moran's of the world. Here she is.
The Democrat in media outrage over the deportation of Abrego Garcia, an MS-13 El Salvadorian, illegal alien criminal who is hiding in Maryland has been nothing short of despicable. Based on the sensationalism of many of the people in this room, you would think we deported a candidate for father of the year.
That's because, unfortunately, many in this country care more about this quote-unquote Maryland father, a legal alien MS-13 gang member, than a Maryland mother and an American citizen who was brutally murdered at the hands of a different illegal alien. Of course, I am referring to Rachel Morin.
Where was the Maryland senator's trip on her behalf, showboating on her behalf? Where was Chris Murphy speaking out so that we all understood the dangers of Joe Biden's illegal immigration policy, that actual American women were being killed? uh, as they go for a jog to try to stay fit where I don't remember them making a deal out of those.
And is that because what bigotry of low expectations, they just expect these guys are, you know, they're, they're animals. They're going to kill. If so, why would you, why would you want an open border? Right? It's like, none of it is congruous other than they see in a story, as you point out, and they see an opportunity to advance themselves.
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Chapter 4: What is the background of the Abrego Garcia case?
The idea that you could have somebody here who is, you know, claiming to have the same legal protections as a citizen is a way of saying the citizenship itself should not count for anything. And I think all good people should say no to that.
I have a point that I want to raise with you, but before I get to it, I just want to point out if, again, we haven't independently verified these court records, but Andy, no found them. Fox news is reporting them now. Um, at least two, one from 2021 from 2021 in which, uh, Jennifer Vasquez is accusing, um,
A man who has the same name, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and it shows his birthday is 1995, which is his birthday. I mean, maybe there are two couples that are that unite Jennifer Vasquez and Kilmar Abrego Garcia with his same birth date. I doubt it. We'll find out if we're wrong. We'll correct it. Um,
So that would have been a 2020 and a 2021 domestic violence incident bad enough to make her go in and seek a protective order against him, alleging serious domestic violence. When he was found allegedly engaging in some sort of activity that led them to believe he was arrestable and part of MS-13 was 2019. He was in there. He was found to be part of this gang.
The appellate court in the immigration system agreed, part of the gang, deportable. And then he pleaded for mercy, saying, well, please just don't deport me to El Salvador. They're going to kill me there. Oh, poor me. And of course, we said, OK, fine, you don't have to go. So this would have been within months.
The first incident would have been within months of us going soft on him, of our courts saying, give him a chance. We don't want him to get hurt. We're not going to send him back there. And then if if this dovetails the way it looks like it does, according to these documents, he was wailing on his wife in 2020 and then again in 2021. And then he gets arrested and sent out by Trump.
And it's back to, oh, poor guy. Oh, it's just it's infuriating. But I want to get to your bigger point because it's important. about how these judges are trying to take the matter in hand, that the Democrats are trying to stop the Trump agenda of removing the millions that Joe Biden willingly, happily, purposefully allowed in.
On Monday, a federal judge halted the Trump administration's plan to revoke the legal status and work permits of more than half a million migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela, who we flew here. We flew here under a Biden era, quote, parole program. He flew them in saying, I'll give you legal protection and I will let you work in the United States for two years.
And no sooner had he begun that program, then they ran into problems. Some data from the program showing evidence of fraud. One review found that at least 3,200 people applied for to sponsor immigrants. And it's really supposed to be like a direct relationship, but they sponsored over 101,000 immigrants.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the defamation case against NBC?
Chapter 6: How are Democrats responding to immigration issues?
And I think she speaks for a lot of us when she's trying to espouse why so many on the left and the right had a visceral reaction to this.
Like, what are you guys going to do up in space? What are you doing up there? I mean, it's by the way, they're going for 11 minutes. They're going for 11 minutes. They're going up. I think they're going to float around a little. So you're on, like, Magic Mountain. Like, you're just going up. Space Mountain. More appropriately, Space Mountain.
Space Mountain.
Think about, I know this is probably obnoxious, but, like, it's so much money to go to space. Yeah. You know? And there's a lot of people who can't even afford eggs. I just don't. I think it's a bit gluttonous. Over the top. And I think, I just think there are, The cover of Elle magazine. I mean, like, isn't that I don't know.
Space exploration was to to like to further our knowledge to help mankind. I mean, what are they going to do up there that has made it better for us down here?
Absolutely nothing. I'll give you one more model, Emily Ratajkowski, who did a little Instagram post after the fact.
That space mission this morning, that's in time shit. Like this is beyond parody. Saying that you care about Mother Earth and it's about Mother Earth and you're going up in a spaceship that is built and paid for by a company that's single-handedly destroying the planet. Look at the state of the world and think about how many resources went into putting these women into space. For what?
For what was the marketing there? And then to try to make it like, I'm disgusted, literally, I'm disgusted.
She raises a good point. Where's Greta Thunberg? Where's her protest on how many carbon emissions we had to suffer just so that Gayle could be proud of herself? Olivia Wilde reposted an image of Katy Perry kissing the ground. Honestly, truly, she was acting like she got back from Apollo 13. Kissing the ground. And she captioned it, billion dollars bought some good memes, I guess.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of the political climate surrounding these cases?
He had to live with the death threats, the bomb threats, the constant calls to his office, the following of him, the name calling some of the most vile things to be called his own staff. He had several Hispanic women working for him. He lost some employees over this.
A lot of the women stayed and they took also flack in their own communities and with their family and friends because they were working for him. But they knew I mean, they knew this man. They knew that this wasn't true. They knew that how these women were treated, which was well when they were in Dr. Amin's office. And thank goodness they stood by him. But it was a terrible time.
He wasn't able to move on.
Can you tell the story, Stacey, of what happened with his son who was off to the Cleveland Clinic as a doctor in his own right?
Absolutely. Dr. Amin's son, his middle name is Mahendra, the same as Dr. Amin's first name, Paraj Mahendra Amin, Dr. Amin himself. And when all of the news hit and Dr. Amin was very scared about what was going to happen to him and others, he immediately thought of his son and he called his son. He said, you might get calls. because your name is so close to mine.
And if you get calls, just tell them you don't know me. Just tell them that you don't know me, that it's just a coincidence that you have the same name. Because he was so concerned that his son, who had just gotten his dream job, was going to be affected negatively about this, so much so that he was just like, pretend like you don't know me. And that just breaks my heart.
I mean, Dr. Amin is a father of four, caring husband, doctor, father. And to know that he had to say that to his son.
Um, it, it just, it's heartbreaking. Especially in light of what you just said, which is they had doubts, they reversed them. It seems clear they did that because they thought it was a story that was going to work for team blue and for their own ratings, not withstanding their knowledge that there were serious holes in the story. And then we're so callous and disgusting at like, I don't know. I,
I ruin a lot of people's lives. I'm not sure. That's really kind of how it sounds. I've ruined a lot of people since Dr. Rameen. Can't keep up with them all. Look, I have empathy for news organizations because we're all in a position of trying to report on day's news. And sometimes you get duped. Sometimes you have dishonest brokers.
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