John Ashbrook
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
This is the constitutional crisis. It's the confrontation between the court saying that the president has to bring Abrego Garcia back home and Trump refusing to do it. And why should this matter to you? Because if the president has the power to jail, imprison, to deport anyone,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
even if they have a legal right to be here as a citizen or through protected status given by the courts, then none of us are safe. Today, it's this El Salvadorian immigrant, but tomorrow it could be you or me. This matters. This matters. This is the one power that we cannot give the President of the United States, the ability to take any of us off the street and imprison us
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
just because the president believes he has the power, a power that he does not have.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Mysterious Phone Call, New Leads - Part 3 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1024
They were trying to locate the cell phones by the pings on the cell phone towers geographically. You know, when they do their triangulation, it's not specific. It came out to an area that's a large wooded area, which did receive quite a bit of interest from law enforcement. They did a couple of searches there for Missouri Missing as well with citizens in that area.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Mysterious Phone Call, New Leads - Part 3 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1024
But nothing ever really came from the cell phones.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
That is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration. I've got a series of questions. I... Oh, you don't want to hear that. If you're making the statement, the signal is a secure channel. To be clear, in the signal message group, we're entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
There was no classified material that was shared in that signal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
I've seen conflicting reports about who added the reporter to the signal messaging group.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
I was. Thank you. Thank you. Can I provide some context, Senator, to that? Yes, but I've got a series of questions. But I think it's important because at the outset, you made a couple of comments about Signal messaging using encrypted apps so that we're clear.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Bizarre Group Chat Details, Media Compares Trump to Nixon, and MK Media Launch, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi | Ep. 1034
One of the first things that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers. One of the things that I was briefed on very early, Senator, was by the CIA records management folks about the use of signal as a permissible work use. It is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Action-Packed Day One, and Ridiculous Media Spin on Elon "Salute," with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry | Ep. 987
But the people he pardoned, his family members, did not before the naked public eye beat police officers, try to overthrow our government, lead to the death of police officers. This is not about left or right in our country. We can't just say this is a tit for tat or their side did it so my side can do it. No, this is about the values and principles that we should all be looking to uphold.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Action-Packed Day One, and Ridiculous Media Spin on Elon "Salute," with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry | Ep. 987
The president of the United States of America has just pardoned people who physically attacked violently led to the death of officers like Sicknick. And we should be talking about that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Action-Packed Day One, and Ridiculous Media Spin on Elon "Salute," with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry | Ep. 987
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The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Action-Packed Day One, and Ridiculous Media Spin on Elon "Salute," with Charles C.W. Cooke and Rich Lowry | Ep. 987
President Trump, did President Biden leave you a letter?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Leftists Celebrate CEO Murderer and Smear Daniel Penny, and Gay Wedding Cake Update, with Heather Mac Donald, Kristen Waggoner, and Jack Phillips | Ep. 961
Well, he was railing against the healthcare industry, which of course fits into the scenario here. He talks about how these parasites had it coming. He starts off basically saying, I don't want to cause any trauma, but it had to be done. second page really kind of goes into problems with the health industry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Unhinged Leftists Celebrate CEO Murderer and Smear Daniel Penny, and Gay Wedding Cake Update, with Heather Mac Donald, Kristen Waggoner, and Jack Phillips | Ep. 961
He raises the question, you know, why do we have the most expensive health care in the world, but we're 42, rated 42 in life expectancy around the world. It was talking about the health care industry and the need for violence. I mean, especially when you talk about, you know, the opening, which is that it had to be done. These parasites, you know, had it coming.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
There's there's something just totally absurd about all of this. Right. You got Jill Biden stepping in there and saying late night briefings, phone calls while I'm in bed and I'm reading my book and Joe's still working. Like, let me assure you, the youthful vigor of the man who couldn't complete answering this question. You know, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
The guy the guy's on this. He's sitting next to you falling asleep. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Yeah, I just want to echo Megan's sentiment that these women are extremely dumb. Because this should be the easiest interview in the history of interviews that they do. We all live this. We saw his presidency. We saw the campaign. We saw him drop out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
The fact that they have to read from a script about these questions, like they aren't obvious questions that anybody who's on television should be able to say without a script. It's crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
What makes me so upset about it is it's such a disservice to their audience, right? Like it's such a disservice to these Democrats who like, they're owed the truth, right? They're owed the truth of this because they got embarrassed in November. And if they're ever going to figure out what they're doing as a party, like you actually have to ask the tough questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
And if they're not going to do that, hey, great for us. We love it. And it's great content. But what a disservice. Like, if you want to know why your ratings are in the toilet, it's because of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Any thoughts? What a brave thing to do, to study your whole life to get into the medical field. And we all know how hard that is to do, how much it costs, how much time. You give your entire life to this, all those years of schooling and whatnot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
And then find yourself at the end of this process in the medical field where you're putting Band-Aids over bullet holes in somebody's health, problems that are chronic. Like the problems people show up at the hospital with, Very rarely did they just happen like that. Yeah. You know, it took 10 years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
So so so to witness that on a daily basis and then be like, I'm going to change my whole life and be an advocate for a broader look at medicine. That's a brave thing to do. Yeah. You know, to step away from the thing that you put your life into to look at health more holistically. Do I love the woo-woo stuff about talking to trees? No, but also, like, welcome to the Big Ten of MAGA politics.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Yeah, that's what it is. Like, this is what it is. And that's how Donald Trump became president of the United States. You know, I mean, like, Joe Rogan takes ayahuasca. I don't take ayahuasca. I like Joe Rogan. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's nothing wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
We should be able to have life-changing drugs that save people's lives. Think about somebody has a stroke, and they go to the hospital, and they can give them a clot buster that clears out the stroke and literally saves somebody's life. But not every medical intervention needs to be a crisis intervention at that last moment, right? Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
It's broadening the aperture of what health is in this country and the way we can take care of ourselves to avoid those things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Down here. Holmes had a whole conclave among seniors at his wedding. Yeah. A couple of bishops. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
it's also sort of funny to me like they're so effusive in their praise of kamala harris like at some point it sort of undercuts whether she was actually qualified if you have to say it every time you mention her you know it's true the the other thing is like it's obvious the reason why she lost it was all the damaging video and audio of her from when she ran for president back in 2020 uh it was being tethered to his terrible administration so like of course it's easy for
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
the catholic church and that's something to celebrate even if you don't believe it yeah ritual and tradition right and i think you know megan said it best but like a church that doesn't stand for something with moral clarity is a social club it's not a church good point and i think you could draw a direct causation to the church abandoning those core principles and the lack of attendance especially with our young people you got to stand for something
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
And people aren't going to rally and fill the pews in your church if you don't. They just aren't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Well, Protestants, we have that, too. Yeah. We have that too. It doesn't require the homework. There's the healing power of grace, which is something which I appreciate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
for him to be like, well, it was misogyny and racism. That's why she went down because then he doesn't have to admit the thing that he was a terrible president.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
An American pope. And also when Donald Trump is president, we get an American Olympics, an American World Cup. Dominance. I mean, America's just back. Global dominance. America's back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
I'm actually really anxious to hear from him. Yeah, we were very focused on the Ruthless Variety program on Pizzabala. Yeah, well, because we loved his name. We loved his name. We didn't anticipate the Chicago Deep Dish would actually come in. You know? Yeah. We were focusing on the wrong pizza.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
It was the wrong pizza.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Well, I mean, I got to say the Lord has really blessed us in that our enemies are very stupid. You know, like how is it that you're going to answer that question and be like, no, I don't believe that. When you know, you got to know you're going before the House of Representatives, the United States Congress. Like they got the details, like they got everything you've ever said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Yeah, but it speaks to how insane these people are, right? That they actually are that egotistical that they can actually think they could lie before the United States House of Representatives and they're not gonna get called on their shit. Like that is their whole ideology is just like, these people are just malignant narcissists.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Yeah. It's the email version of the LeBron flop.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Let's step back for a second. And knowing that all this is going to come out as you're sitting there at the at the desk, like you are that committed to letting men play in women's sports. Like you could just send out a press release and be like, no, we're good. Women just in women's sports and like sweep it under the rug.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
But to sit there and put yourself through this entire process is an insane proposition.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
He's so good. He doesn't let him off the hook, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Exactly. He lets him dig his own grave. That's what I love about the way he does this entire interrogation. He's not going to let him get an escape hatch and then be like, all right, well, we're going to move on to something else. It's like, no, it's actually super weird. Most normal people have an opinion about communal showers between men and women, you know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Like, if you look at some of those posts and, you know, like the one that Brandon Gill was was pointing out about, are you OK with cis women being at a disadvantage? And he says, yeah, it's just misogyny. I think they actually just hate. And I'm curious, Megan, your perspective on this. Like, I don't I'm not even sure it's an ideology anymore. I think they actually just hate women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
They're like the OG misogyny. I think they actually are just misogynist. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
It is about as torturous as I've ever seen. And on Sonny's part too there, like she is trying to hand this off to Biden and hopefully he can take it from there, right? Like, okay, she wants to straight face tell us what the question was. Like, what sort of wins would you have changed? Like, that's an actual question you would ask a person? It doesn't make any logical sense. That's exactly right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
Are you asking him a question? Joe Biden, tell us your greatest weakness. You know what's so amazing? You know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's "TORTUROUS" Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod | Ep. 1068
That's concerning. In hierarchies, right. And the issue is, and I think you talked with Gus about this, is, you know, ranking our love. I mean, that's a way that every family operates. Like my first obligation is to my family. That is a duty that I have. I love everyone. But come on, you have to rank it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Diddy Defense Wants Mistrial, Tate Brothers Charged, Shocking Secret Service Scuffle: AM Update 5/29
I was out here to tell the truth immediately before I walked in the door today.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Diddy Defense Wants Mistrial, Tate Brothers Charged, Shocking Secret Service Scuffle: AM Update 5/29
The supervisor has dealt with you immediately before I wanted to go back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
It's the kind of turn that would make Nancy Kerrigan wish she could do it. I mean, it was a full double axel, triple toe loop. The guy in 24 hours was so esteemed and he's never going to do it because of principle. And then he's like, you know what?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
Let's get some more publicity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
He was organizing labor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
He's like, through the roof, and he's like, it's so high.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
And he did that on a morning show on CNN. And so what I like to think about is what your typical CNN viewer did for the rest of the day after learning that information. Their day did not start off on the right foot when they found out that Donald Trump, the guy they hate so much, is actually very, very popular.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
I remember the TED talk she gave where she was trying to explain why truth doesn't matter, why leftist ideals are more important than truth. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
what the yeah this it this is not extemporanea she practiced that speech 37 000 times in front of the mirror so she could deliver it with that cadence and the in fact folks with that hushed tone this it's like the worst hr person in corporate america showed up in your office and they're telling you why you have to shut your computer down right but
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
No, they're living in a bubble with viewers like you and the members of the Paul R. and John D. MacArthur Foundation that are right alongside the rest of us as we contribute at Gunpoint every April.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
I'm making it tough for you. Did you say cucumber? Yeah, you're such a fucking hypocrite.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
That's a commitment to the bit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
Man, it's so hard to disagree with that. It is. I would say that Kamala deserves special points for doing it on a national stage. When you know everyone is watching. Right. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
It's dexterity and talent.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
About a third of what Democrats lost on Kamala Harris. And I will tell you that I think. that this woman will be the governor of California. I think she is going to run. And I think that Californians are looking for a step up from Gavin Newsom. And I think they found their candidate. I think she's going to be the governor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. You look back at what did Joe Biden do when it comes to the Houthi terrorists? He took them off the terrorist list. What did Pete Hegseth do? He killed them. And so this is exactly what people voted for. They wanted action out of this president's what Trump told people he was going to do. He came in and he started acting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
I was just going to say, I grew up in a very small town. We had a 4th of July parade every year, and I don't remember giant corporate sponsors coming in to make people turn out for that. So I'm guessing if this parade is as popular as that one, then maybe people will still show.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
And I mean, we talk about the mainstream media and you're saying that they don't. want the conversation to go away. Well, the one guy who's going away is this top leader at MS 13, another action that the president has taken. We talked about it a second ago, but like this guy is acting every single day in a way that voters wanted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
And that's why his approval rating and the right track number that everybody follows is so high. I don't know if you saw this poll from Marist just this week, it showed that the right track number is higher than it's been in 20 years. And Democrats are scrambling. And when you say Democrats, you have to include the mainstream media in that group of people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Absurd Signalgate Spin, NPR Exec Grilled, and Biggest Media Hacks in America, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 1036
They're also scrambling, trying to figure out what they can do to get out from under Trump's popularity and just incredible start in these first two months.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
Yeah, I think the way I described it on our episode on Ruthless today was 2017 was like a pop quiz, you know, where you're putting together the airplane while you're taking off. But this is more like a take-home test. We know what to expect from the other side. We know what the deep state's going to try to do to stop Donald Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
All those executive orders written in a way to be legally just and their strategy is just so much better. And it's just it's just proof. And you sort of said it at the top, Megan. But like personnel is policy. If you want to accomplish all these things, you have to recruit well for the positions that are open. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
Go ahead, go ahead, Duncan. He doesn't have to couch it in some philosophical term or some beautiful poetry or language. He just speaks in the plain terms that Americans understand. Nonsense. This is nonsense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I think the thing that's really interesting there on like DEI or like critical race theory or transgender ideology and all of these things, I think the idea that these were, you know, a divisive debate we were having in the country is entirely a manufacturing reality. you know, by academia and the media itself. I mean, I think Trump is uniting all Americans on these issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I think we were united all along. I think the only people- But afraid to talk. Right. The only people who are ginning it up were the media who are like, well, on this side and on this side, and we're going to, you know, and it's like, no, like- You know, I think we actually talk enough about the racial trauma in America in our history books and in school and stuff.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
We don't have to be, you know, having critical race theory, academic philosophy for legal scholars applied to kindergartners across this country. Right. No, I mean, it's well said.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
No, no, no, no. I want him on CNN. I want him to have to go through that humiliation every single night because I think, I mean, I think complaining about your time slot on CNN is like complaining about which, which circle of hell you got sent to CNN.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
Yeah. Well, and not for nothing, but like as far as due process goes, you know, everyone who's come to this country over the past four years with some B.S. asylum claim has a court date in like seven years and like seven years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
And today they beamed him into Davos so he could give that great speech. And then he just opens the floor to Q&A.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
Yeah, but I think it's important to remember, Megan, that these Democrats are entirely captured by these ideological nonprofits and institutions that run the Democratic Party and finance it. And that's one of the reasons back to the Pete Hegseth thing that they chose character assassination rather than actual like foreign policy where maybe they could find some fissures in the Republican Party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
They're not actually interested in success here. They're interested in placating the billion dollar donors that run their party who care about abortion.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
I can tell you, Megan, if I posted that photo, I certainly wouldn't be dating Jennifer Aniston. You'd be a dead man? I'd be a dead man.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
The second gentleman. I love the idea that it wasn't the economy or the open border or like Joe Biden being a dementia patient or like you going on The View and saying, I wouldn't change anything from the last four years. That isn't the reason you lost. It was Dougie.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Instant Action on Illegal Immigration, CNN Cuts, and Obama Divorce Rumblings, with Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 990
Well, you know, I don't think any of these films really comport with most of the electorate, if I'm being quite honest with you. I do love the idea of a transitioning cartel boss, though. I would love to know how that went down, like in the meeting with your capos and your consiglieres. Like, by the way, I want to be a woman. Like, I think that's actually pretty wild.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I'm sure it's an interesting story.
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Yeah, right. But I mean, one movie that was actually nominated a bunch of times that I actually really enjoyed was Nosferatu, the remake of the old classic. It was fantastic. It was by that Eggers guy who did that witch movie. It's an A24 movie, which I know is a little more artsy. You see it, Megan? You see why we do this?
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The reason why I bring it up is Johnny Depp's daughter, Lily Rose Depp, in that movie is fantastic and definitely should have been nominated for Best Actress, and it's a shame that she wasn't. He's not doing this ironically.
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Nominated for an Oscar.
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And it's sort of ironic, right? That the distribution of media and films has become so broad and so easy to access. And the Academy's focus has become so narrow and obscure.
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It's a great point. Think about that. Think about how hard it was to see the Oscar films 30 years ago, but we all did. We saw the ones that got nominated. Now it's like, there's no chance. Well,
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think the media definitely wanted to think he was a fluke, right? Oh, for sure. It was like a unique moment in time.
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Yeah, and that's how they covered him. But it's undeniable now, not just his comeback to the White House, but the way in which it happened, and Ashbrook alluded to it. I mean, this guy was indicted in three jurisdictions over 40 times. He was, you know, two assassination attempts, one that put a bullet through his ear, and he overcomes all of that to be returned to the White House.
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And every excuse. Yeah. You know, living a great life, very successful, playing golf every day. The desire to continue living.
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You have the independents to say that. You have the gravitas, the stature, the intestinal fortitude to say, Donald Trump, you lost the 2020 election. Can you tell us that here today?
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I was just going to say, I think that's a fight that the president welcomes. You know, you have these NGOs protecting their money. And the way Josh said it is exactly right. Something that started out in the right direction was corrupted by the left. And that's how you get these ridiculous things like seventy five thousand dollars for a trans musical in Ireland. I they already have Riverdance.
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I don't know. I don't know why we're supposed to be spending American taxpayer dollars for a trans musical. And every single one of these things that the left is fighting, like the surgeries in Nicaragua, we don't need a sex chain. Pay for a sex change for Nicaraguans. You know what I mean? People in North Carolina could use the money.
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Megan, the worst thing about it is that these bureaucrats are continuing to flout the law. I don't know if you saw it, but there is a story about some people working in the FBI who tipped off a bunch of Venezuelan gang members in California that ICE is coming after you. They want to remove gang members from this country. Here is the date they're going to be there.
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Here is where they're going to go. You guys should get out of there. Now, I'm telling you, like... For the Biden administration to do that, that is what we expect. But like the thought that people who are working for this government, working for taxpayers, are tipping off gang members in California and telling them that they should get out of there before ICE can move them out of the country.
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I mean, Pam Bondi has been unequivocal on this. And I hope to God she wins. And I hope to God she roots out all of these problems within our own government that exists today that are stopping the progress to keep Americans safe. And I hope Trump wins. I mean, it's it is so important that they win this fight. I think there's good news on that, Megan.
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Yeah. And Megan, I don't think he's the only one who's grateful that you put him on. I think there are people all over this country who are grateful that you gave voice to what so many people are thinking. And what happened to him is really an object lesson in how the left reacts when anybody dares to think differently than they do. Anybody questions an assumption.
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You have so many people in this country who are like, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. Why am I not allowed to ask questions? Because you know that the best information, the best science comes from asking questions, from testing hypotheses. And this guy has done it over and over in the face of retribution from not only his own party, but his own family.
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The things that his own family has said about him is just terrible.
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RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there is a cottage industry of NGOs and libs, but there's also a mindset in Washington, D.C., that this money somehow belongs to them. They forget that people work so hard for what they earn, and it's taken from them at gunpoint every April 15th, and people are just hoping. that somebody in government will spend it wisely.
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RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
That's so awesome. Yeah, I just love that so much. And think about the person who was on that call and it was like, I'm recording at CNN. I got to get you this audio. And Trump sounds like a normal person who's talking about making change in an organization. You know, he is not the first guy to fire people from the Kennedy Center. I don't know if you remember, Megan, but during covid.
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RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
The Kennedy Center worked with their pal Nancy Pelosi to get a bailout because they said that if we don't get a bailout from taxpayers, we're not going to be able to continue to operate. And you know what happened? Right after they got that bailout from Nancy Pelosi, they fired a bunch of people in the organization who were probably sweeping up after the performances.
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And what I really hope that Donald Trump is able to do is brave life back into that building, bring some acts that people actually want to see, something that's interesting to everybody, not the same old woke stuff that we've seen out of that. Yeah, and Donald Trump has a soft spot for theater and theatricality.
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And what we've seen over the last few decades is that it hasn't been spent wisely. And Elon Musk and President Trump are doing everything they can to expose the waste, fraud and abuse that is rampant in our government.
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And if they weren't doing that right now, I mean, I shudder to think about what would be happening this year and how much more of of everybody's who's listening to this show's money that they turn in.
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He's a brick and he's drowning slowly.
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It felt great, Megan. And, you know, I I wasn't nervous going into it because the entire time all I was thinking about was I cannot wait to see the looks on the reporters faces when I walk into this room. I can't wait to see him. I can't wait to see him. They opened the door and it didn't disappoint. I mean, people were literally rolling their eyes. They were laughing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
And it was so funny because they were like, you got to be kidding me. You're coming in to ask a question. And you know what? I asked a serious question and she made serious news. Yeah, they had to report immediately. And so it was just it was a triumph. It was just a career triumph.
The Megyn Kelly Show
RFK Confirmed, Trump Makes Kennedy Center "Hot" Again, and Unearthed Blake Lively Video, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1007
Media went after this administration for courting illegal immigrants they claimed were not criminals. That's right. The question is, do you think they're out of touch with Americans demanding action on our border crisis?
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You look at that front row and it's people who represent gigantic corporations, Paramount, Comcast, Disney. They all get questions. So why can't everybody else ask a question? That's right. That's right.
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Totally. Yeah. I mean, it can happen to anybody. Again, I've had cancer, thankfully, and it was radiated in remission. But you've got to start early. You've got to go see the doctor. No guy ever wants to go to the doctor.
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But I mean, guys, especially no guy wants to go to the doctor. I mean, I'm sitting at a table full of guys who would be like, no way, honey, I'm not going to the doctor. But you you got to go. You got to bite the lip and you got to go in. You got to get the checks. You got to take it seriously because it can happen.
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Oh, that's good.
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American Freed by Trump, John Oliver's Outrageous Segment, and Saving Your Marriage, with Stu Burguiere, and Jason and Erica Redman | Ep. 1046
She tied for fifth in the 203 with Riley Gaines, who catapulted to conservative stardom off the back of that race. First, that's a story about how Leah Thomas prevented Riley Gaines from getting fifth place instead of fifth place. Second, those trophies look absolutely identical. So... Just so we are clear, Leah Thomas didn't take anything from Riley Gaines.
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In fact, you could argue she gave a lot to her, as Gaines later decided to forgo dental school in order to be an activist and speaker. She now has her own advocacy center and has personally lobbied multiple state legislatures for bans, all to address the threat posed to women's sports by a woman who swam exactly as fast as she did to the literal hundredth of a second.
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The most famous example concerns Peyton McNabb, a three-sport high school athlete who was hit in the face by a spike during a volleyball match. She suffered injuries, including a concussion, and started speaking out against the policies that allowed the trans player who spiked the ball to play.
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A concussion is genuinely traumatic, though for what it's worth, she did go on to play softball in the spring and did pretty well, judging by her school posting this image about her making the all-conference team and a local paper pointing out she helped her team to a 5-0 start. And I'm not saying she wasn't injured. or that it didn't have some impact on her performance.
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But a lot of the groups heavily pushing this story seem to be overselling it.
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Hi, good night, everybody. I'm running to serve Pennsylvania. He's running to use Pennsylvania.
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Looking at the complaint, let's strip the politics out of it. This is a crime. If they can prove what happened here, it is a crime. This judge, let's strip the Trump of it all out. Let's strip the immigration of it all out. Let's say... Law enforcement shows up at a building with an arrest warrant. They're looking for person A. Person B then says, hey, there's a secret escape door out back.
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I'm going to show you the way and then ushers that person out the back door. That is textbook obstruction.
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Daily. Daily failure. Oh, yeah. Fail quick. Let's get it over with. Maybe we'll get it right by the end of the day.
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I don't like rules.
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Um, not really. I mean, it's a game, you know what I mean? And their trash talk was great, man. Basic training.
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Oh God. They would like yell at people. And like, I just be, I'd be like not even getting yelled at. And I'd start laughing and they just be like, uh, my drill sergeant called me Maffie and he'd be like, Maffie do pushups. And I just start doing pushups. Cause he'd hear me laughing. Like, Oh man, the trash talk was great. Like I loved it.
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Yeah. Well, they couldn't upset me anyway. You know what I mean?
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I mean, you know, like- you got to look, if you want stuff, you got to do it yourself. It's called responsibility. It doesn't matter your age. I call it adulting. I hate it, but I've been doing it for a long time. So if you want something, you got to put in the work.
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Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't like everybody. You know what I mean? Like, do you like everybody?
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I just like, see, there you go.
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So it's, your list is longer than mine.
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Uh, well, yeah, well, I had a ranger contract, so I go through basic training, airborne school, and then I go to rip.
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Uh, The Ranger Regiment is its own unit in the Army. They're infantry, basically. And nowadays, they're a Tier 1 unit. Back in my day, they were just like specialized infantry or whatever they called them, right? But yeah, the Ranger Regiment is a way of life. And then back in my day was RIP, is what they called it. And like basic training was a joke. We jog in the morning and sing songs.
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It's like summer camp, you know, in Rip, like some random looking dude just takes off faster than you've ever seen another human being running. You're just like... Holy shit. Like these guys do this. Let's go. Yeah. Real talk, you know? And, and, and like the whole time, like, I mean, I didn't know if I was going to make it or not. I was just doing my best.
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Oh, it was three weeks back then.
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Yeah. Back then it was. Yeah. And back then it was more about creating guys that won't quit than it was like training you at your actual job.
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I did five years in ranger battalion. And then like the, the sergeant major at the time was like sending people to like Korea or some random army shit that I wanted nothing to do with. What did you want? I'm not that like combat, not that, you know what I mean? Didn't never wanted to go to Korea. I heard it's cold. And like, anyway, never wanted to go there. Sorry. No offense.
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I was in Savannah, Georgia.
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See what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
Yeah. So love Savannah. Right. And I didn't want to go anywhere. So I figured I'd hit special forces selection. At least it would like, give me a path where I might control my ending.
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Yeah.
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
Oh, I don't know. I mean, like, it's okay. I like special forces. Like, why do it?
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Oh, yeah. What was the lure? I don't know. Like, the John Wayne shit when I was a kid, right? It's badass. Yeah, like Rambo, right? Like, that's what I thought. Yes. Kind of in the middle 90s, not really what was happening, but later on it got better. More towards a G-Wad. Everything got better.
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Well, if I went to Special Forces selection, I know I would go there next versus like coming down on orders for Korea one day. You know what I mean? Just like, hey, guess what came? Some paperwork for you. Korea? Holy shit. No fucking way, right? Yeah. So I wanted to like avoid that.
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Thank you.
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
You got to go to selection. They got selection.
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
Pretty good, pretty good. Quite a lead up there.
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Uh, it's not a lot of stupid shit. You know what I mean?
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It's like a run. No. Okay. Special forces selection kind of works like this. It's based off a team and you got to work in a team. Right. And it's 12 guys in a, in a, a team, a special forces, a team. Right. Um, And then so you're kind of grouped in 12 guys and then like you do like random stuff like you got to build these. They'll give you like one wheel, some pipe and a 500 pound barrel.
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And it's like it's you got to take it 20 miles that way. Go.
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I've tried, I've tried.
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Very MacGyver-y. Right.
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Yeah, but you're not in charge every day. And then if someone bad's in charge and they talk about they do stupid shit, you're stuck doing their stupid shit all day long. I was on the worst team ever, I think, in selection.
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I don't care. They were pussies. You know what I mean? Like, I do not give a shit. You know what I mean? It's probably why they are where they are now. You know what I mean?
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Trying to hold me back.
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Yep. And then they call it the Q course.
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The qualification. Uh, a lot of, I was an engineer, so that's the explosives, but, uh, we do a lot of other stuff like building stuff. Like basically you're a general contractor for like houses. They teach you that stuff. Oh, and then, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Super useful. Right. And then, um, explosives and a lot of explosive stuff.
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So, yeah, the mid-'90s, Special Forces, you know, the Bill Clinton Army kind of sucked. No ammo, no training, no money, right? So a buddy of mine, I was at his house. I don't know. I was on leave. We were drinking, smoking cigars, and he just gave me— uh, a yellow sticky with a time and place. So I was like, what's this? And it was like this field on post.
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So he's like, yeah, you're going to be there at six in the morning. It's like, it's like midnight, man. No way. I ain't going nowhere at six in the morning. Right. I went, um, and, uh, he talked me into going, he was a Mogadishu guy and, um, I went and that's it. I passed. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But in my day, you didn't know what Delta force was. Like if someone went there is a black hole, you just never seen them again. You didn't even know they were alive. You know what I mean?
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
Man, kind of none of that, I guess. You know what I mean? Later in the war, as leadership, like... that was a challenge. You know what I mean? Those like the battle of Tora Bora, I was a new guy, like, let's go kill everybody. You know what I mean? And then the war rages on, you learn, you're more experienced. Uh, you just learn as it goes on, you're going to learn different lessons.
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What else was I going to do? Sometimes I do my best work hungover. What's up? How was the, how hard was the tryout or the, uh, Oh, so first off, it ain't easy. I'm going to say that. But at the same time, it was fucking great, man. They leave you alone. You walk through the mountains. Like, yeah, yeah. I'm here. You got to go like, I don't know. Like you have maps.
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You ever see like the big forest?
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I know. It's probably the worst thing you want to hear.
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But like you'd have maps and they're like this big. And like the guy would give you a point and you'd be like, wait, wait. And you're like, you got like five of these. And you're like, I got to go like three of these maps today, man. You know what I mean? That's a nightmare. Yeah. And then you just go and then.
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100%.
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I was ready.
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Yeah.
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Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
I was at Bragg, Fort Bragg.
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And then, well, 9-11, I was trying to skydive to go to a free fall jump master school. Teach people to skydive. Of course you were. That's what I do.
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Well, the first plane, I was like, it looked like a little plane crashed in. Yeah, we didn't know. Some drunken idiot in his little plane crashed in, right? And then the second was like, oh, shit. And then we were grounded and that was it. Then you knew it was like something bad.
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Uh, it's a lot of things, but I would say this is, uh, I was too far in not to go. You know what I mean? I was excited. I was nervous. You know, like the whole, I say this all the time. People are going to have a thousands emotions today, right? Like it's just how people work. You'll have a thousand emotions. Don't let it stop on the bad ones. You know what I mean?
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Maybe. I don't know.
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Yeah, people get stuck.
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Smack them in the back of the head. Sometimes you need that. You know what I mean? Sometimes I need that. You know what I mean? Snap them out of it.
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Well... There's a lot of things happening between 9-11 and before we deployed. I think the original plan is we were supposed to save some hostages in Kabul. And then we ended up doing the Tora Bora thing. So what we trained for and what happened were completely different animals. You know what I mean?
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That's the way the cookie crumbles. You know what I mean? Just follow what they tell you. Let's go. You know what I mean? You're not in charge. Someone else is making the calls. You just got to do your best when the time comes.
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Yeah. Tora Bora.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So, yeah, we were looking for bin Laden. The Tora Bora was like a stronghold for bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, whatever they call themselves. Right. And the Russians could never get in there. Right. And I think somebody I don't know who said it, but it was 10. It took 10 of us 10 days. To do what? To get everybody out of those mountains. Either kill them or have them come out and surrender.
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But it took 10 of us 10 days. The Russians never took it. They had 10,000 soldiers, you know?
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We bomb the shit out of those guys. You know what I mean?
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No, it was more like Air Force stuff. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, not my... I mean, if I had to blow them up one at a time, like, that would be awesome. But we bombed them. So it was more of an Air Force thing. We had a call on the radio for a bomb.
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Everybody's going to do this. Uh, and I think the lessons I learned as a young guy is, Uh, weren't the lessons I needed. Really? Yeah. Everybody learns, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, war. Like, let's go. We killed hundreds of people on the first day. Like... I can't tell you how many people died or, you know what I mean? There's just everywhere, side of the mountains, like, and then sometimes guys get blowed up. There's only pieces, you know what I mean? And, and they'd just be on the side of the mountain. Like, what do you do?
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Um, I mean, you know, you come, you, I'll tell you this, you want to come to a gunfight and you end up dead. It's your fault.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, and it's the Delta Force. You're going to die. Like, it's not going to be a good look for you. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I just felt like all those guys needed to die. Like, they're evil. You know what I mean? Like, it's evil to just, like, you know, Afghanistan in general is... it's like biblical times with trucks and cell phones. Like they do fucked up shit. You know what I mean?
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So the, I don't, there's no doubt in my mind that these guys needed to die, you know, were they connected to bin Laden? Yeah. All his like inner guys, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Well, bin Laden wrote a death letter. He wrote a death letter. It's on the internet. But he wrote a letter. He thought he was going to die.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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A fucking ceasefire. A fucking ceasefire. Someone called a ceasefire. And I would also say there's a couple helicopters flew over the battlefield, which I still to this day don't know who they were.
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I look at it this way. Um, if, if the first 10 days of the war, 10 guys kill bin Laden, where's the war on terror at? Oh, this is interesting. The checkbook would have never got open.
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That's what I think.
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I wouldn't say cynical. Like, I mean, I enjoyed my time. I love grenades. You know what I mean? Uh, but, uh, I do think like the rug was pulled out from under us.
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No, I think someone else intervened and put him in hiding. Someone who owned helicopters, uh, Regular people own helicopters. Who owns helicopters? You know what I mean? And then how come I've never heard about this anywhere else? I don't know. No one wants to talk about this. I know, right? See what I'm saying?
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Maybe. Yeah.
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I don't know. I mean, you can make your own guesses. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I would say this is like, okay, where's the story between where he lived in Pakistan and Tora Bora? Where's that story also, by the way? I want to know that story. Do we know? I have no idea. Yeah? No. You ever heard anything? No. We need just like these JFK files. Let's go. You know what I mean?
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Well, there you go. You know these guys.
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There you go.
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There you go.
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And we're not, I don't think we are at all. I don't think we're good friends.
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Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm a regular, I tell, I tell everyone this, uh, I'm a regular guy. I do everything everyone else does. Uh, I joined the army and I think when, when nine 11 happened, I was too far in to like choose a different life. You know what I mean? Mm hmm.
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I think we deal on a short timeline, a four year timeline. And I think everyone else has like been in charge for 50 years. You know what I mean? And they've seen us flip flop back and forth and we pull, we push, we tug a war with the rope. It never ends out good. We're not good friends. And then as soon as you don't do what you, we want, we're going to chuck you under the bus and move the fuck on.
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You know what I mean?
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Uh, I don't know. Tons of stuff. You know what I mean? I'm giving you an example right now. Where are these helicopters at? Where is the story of bin Laden from Abbottabad? That's where the officers are trained in Pakistan. Interesting, right? And how did he get out of Afghanistan? Afghanistan. He's on dialysis.
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You mean this guy walked over 14,000 foot mountains in the snow with his little woolen blanket and his dialysis machine, but left all his people behind. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, um, but I, I think there's, uh, I think George Bush said dead or alive. And I think the Pentagon was risk adverse. And, and I think that's where the disconnect was at that time.
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But I think someone else stepped in and took bin Laden in the hiding.
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It was an election year.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Obama needed to get reelected. It's time.
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It's the way it works.
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I mean, it's the way it works.
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I mean, being angry wouldn't get me a cup of coffee. You know what I'm saying?
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I had a great time. I did everything I could. I did as much as I could every time I could. And I always try to do the right thing. At the same time, like, I can't control everything. You know what I mean? And then, does it make me mad? Sure. Do I hate that, like, you know, that the politicians disagree on something and it costs your son his life, right?
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ridiculous right but at the same time like I was having the time of my life so I wasn't questioning shit you know anytime you drink from the bottle of hindsight everything gets clearer you know what I mean but at the time like I didn't question it I just want I was on to the next like uh war was my life you know and I was good at it and I saved lives I saved a ton of lives in war um
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all those things combined kept me back coming back to it, whether it's right, wrong, indifferent, like, uh, these are things that I can't control. So why even dwell on it? You know what I mean? It's, it's almost, it's, and then you'll get stuck in there. It's muddy water. You'll get stites, quicksand, you'll sink in it. Like why this, why that? Like, why ask why?
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No, I assumed.
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Yeah.
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Well, I call it the, the last chapter. They're stuck in the last chapter. You know what I mean? Like they can't get out of that chapter and whether, but what really happens is like the story's not over. You know what I mean? I mean, I was under the age of 40 doing all that stuff. Well, I got a lot more years. Like, so your life never gets better. You're never going to enjoy anything again.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for a long time.
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Like get out of that chapter. Right. And write a new chapter.
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Yeah. It's more than the adrenaline rush. You know what I mean? It's so much more. I mean, when you're really good at something, it's all you want to do. And when you know guys are really good at something... You could save lives by sending guys that are really, really good at this. You know what I mean? So I think it's just one of those things where it's a calling and it's not really your choice.
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I don't know. You get in fights. You go to ding-dong. They call it ding-dong school. That's where kids that fight all the time. And you end up there.
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You know what I mean? But at the same time, it's a choice you got to make.
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I don't know, December of 90, or no, 01.
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Yeah, I went back to Tora Bora, yeah.
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Just a few months later in 2002, I went back.
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Pretty easy. I needed Pop-Tarts.
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I just told my boss like, hey, are we doing anything tonight? I'll schedule the helicopter and I'll go to the chow hall. I'll have our guy fill our truck.
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Yeah.
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It was where everyone was. It was where all the guys were, you know what I mean? Okay. First off, uh, The Defo. When they deploy, like, they have beef jerky. They have... The Defa? The Defo.
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Delta Force.
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But anyway, you're the highest army unit. You have beef jerky. You have Pop-Tarts. You know what I mean? Sweet. Stuff army guys might see once a month, we should be getting every day.
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Yeah. And then the food is really good because we have our own cooks and they care about what you eat. You know what I mean? That's good. It's the army system, but it's within the army system, which makes it a little better, right? Yeah. I was just going to go get some Pop-Tarts. And really, it's just a resupply run. So I drive my Toyota truck on a helicopter. They fly me to Bagram.
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And then one of the commanders, the guy that wrote Kill Bin Laden, was like, hey, what are you doing? And I'm like, I'm stealing Pop-Tarts.
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That's where we lived. It's South Chicago. It's where we lived. You know what I mean? I would say the South Chicago of the 70s, 80s was like a different place.
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Yeah.
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He was like, you want to go on a mission? And I was like, yeah. I was like, well, you got to call my boss. And he's like, okay, I'll call him. And he did. And then, um, I was like, what is it? You know what I mean? They're like, we want you to go out alone. And I'm like, this sounds risky. Okay.
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Oh, I didn't know if I wanted to, like never thought about it before then, but it, it turns out something I do.
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Well, This goes back to the politics of it is the general at the time wouldn't let us to do it to hit a target in Afghanistan. We needed U.S. eyes on. Makes sense. So how do you get U.S. eyes on? You have to send out reconnaissance guys. And that's what I did.
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And then but you can't no one can leave the wire. What's the wire? The perimeter, the base. You can't. So, so that's, so the general's like, no one can leave the base, but you got to launch reconnaissance to get US eyes on. Someone's going to have to leave the base. Someone's going to have to leave the base.
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Well, the only reason they sent me is they, uh, they kept me in because I was coming from one base to another and outstation to a major base. I was in transit. So they just kept me in transit for weeks.
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Basically, they had to lie about what I was doing to make the first mission. Really on a search for that beef jerky. Right?
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They were in my truck. So, okay. They get them later.
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Probably took me 10 days-ish.
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Well, the last guy to supposedly help bin Laden out of the valley just came back from Pakistan with him and his sons.
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No, his own sons. Supposedly during the Battle of Tora Bora, because he lived near there, he was the facilitator of getting people in and out of there.
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We wanted to capture him because we thought maybe he brought bin Laden out of there.
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So the last lead for bin Laden was this guy because we have everybody else, all his people, his bodyguard, his cook, his everybody.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Go find him. And it. How? Pretty simple. Like he's, it's only one Valley. Like, and there's only, you know what I mean? There's only, I had already been there. That's one of the things. Right. So I kind of knew the area. I knew the terrain. Right.
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Everywhere. Yeah.
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bad guys, like in checkpoints. Yeah. Uh, you act like a retard.
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No.
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Yeah.
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I have a big, because of Russians raped people, people look like me in Afghanistan. Lots of them.
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Yeah.
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Daily. Well, no, until they got me a cab.
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Well, so like this guy, the first time it happened to me, this guy like jams his AK in my chest. And it's like, like I'm supposed to say something. And I just figured if I speak American right now, I'm dead. That's it. You know what I mean? So I figured, well, I'll act like a retard.
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uh and uh i figured okay how would a retarded guy sound first off it'd be volume 11 yes right so loud you don't even want to listen and then it'd be mongoloid stuff so i was just kind of like and the guy's like move along yeah
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Everybody's okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Videotape too.
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Well, when I was, um, I was in a truck, I was in with a bunch of people. No one knows I'm American. I had, as we drove by, I put my video camera under my arm and I video camera the house and like dude was on the front porch. Luckily.
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I think, yeah, yeah. It cost, well, it cost them a lot of money because the police would have to come to the bus on the side of the road. They'd have to break up the fight. And then the seats were broke. A window was broke. And then the school's got to pay for all of that. And then by the time we get to school, school would be over. How old were you?
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All of it. Yeah. All of it. Got everything I needed.
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Dude was on the porch. It was perfect.
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Yeah.
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No, I didn't know.
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I didn't know.
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Yeah, correct.
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Yeah.
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No. It wasn't? It was not.
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I don't know what any of that means, but it did not help. He had no idea. Okay.
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Well, I always thought, well, I thought at the time, like, A, they were going to find out he was like dead in a cave later. You know what I mean? I just figured we blew him the smithereens. It might be hard to find the parts. You know what I mean? So, and then I figured one day the truth will come out. I kind of always knew that. So.
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I thought it was great. I mean, for whatever reason Obama had, I thought it was great. And then I can tell you this, if I was commander in chief, the minute I heard that, I'd be like, go smoke that fool now. You know what I mean? Yep. End of discussion.
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I don't know, sophomore, freshman, maybe sophomore.
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You know what I mean? It's always fucking drama with those guys. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah. And I think that was like the, you know, they were gearing up. You know what I mean? We're trying to do this. They were gearing up for Iraq.
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Iraq?
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I loved Iraq.
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Why?
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Saddam man. Like we should have left him. We should have killed his bastard sons and told him play along or you're next. Yeah. Them dudes needed to go.
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He was. He was. His inner circle was all Christians. The people that touched his food, washed his butt, like all Christian, all inner circle. And it's because of the martyr thing. You know, if you're a Muslim, you kill yourself, you're a martyr. You go to heaven. You know what I mean? As a Christian, you kill yourself, you go to hell. So he surrounded himself and put up with the Christians.
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Oh, they knew. Yeah.
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That's why Iraq was... actually pretty Western even back then. Cause he allowed Christians to have their own areas, do their own things. Right. And then, you know, ISIS allows none of that.
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Yeah. Uh, is, uh, yeah. Uh, we rolled up everybody that met Saddam, you know what I mean? And then we used to say, look, we're in the army, like, you know, in the, you know, our intelligence agencies, they give polygraphs and they determine their rating as sources. And like, they'd be like, this is an unreliable source. You know what I'm saying? And we'd be like, I'm in the army.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What are they going to do?
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I'm pulling every thread. Let's go. I don't care. And we'd go check it out anyway. Most of the time, they were wrong. Oh, well. Yeah. What a shock. Yeah. Go figure. But, yeah, Saddam had, like, a favorite sex lady. I'd never even heard of this.
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Like, I don't know what they got going, but, like— Who knows what she was doing behind closed doors? Yeah, there's no talent. She must have been a real pro. You know what I mean? That's all I could think. She probably had some moves. She had to know something about something. But you would think, I don't know, you would just assume she would be attractive. I don't know.
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That would have been a good idea. They probably never thought of that. That's a good idea. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I didn't know what to assume.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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None of that happening here. Maybe he had some hot ones. I didn't see them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She obviously had something.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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We were, we couldn't get to her because it's hard to get to women in Iraq. So we had to get to the husband. See what I'm saying?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know. Maybe Saddam kind of, you know, was honeypotted a little bit. He told his favorite honeypot, I don't know, something, you know. And as an army guy, not an intel guy, I'm like, let's go. Let's look into this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I don't care.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, we got him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. They didn't know shit. You know what I mean? Like they didn't know shit. Uh, but we did get them and uh, yeah, it was okay. This is, this is kind of legendary, but, um, I was across the street in a minivan and I was kind of watching this shop. Um, I had two Iraqi guys that I would use. Um, and then I had the assault force kind of park on the corner close to the shop. And then, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, I think my parents were young. I think my mom was, I don't know, maybe always kind of maybe just bitter as a lady. You know what I mean? She was like the like mean divorced lady most of the time. And like, I just think that's how people thought their lives should be. I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Enough time went by. We were just waiting and waiting. I told my guys to start fighting in front of the store if too much time went by. So they start a fist fight in front of the store. And then people come out like, what's going on out front of the store? And the dude came out and literally put his back to like the van door, the assault force. And I'm like, yo, open the door.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's that dude right there. And they grabbed him and then it was over and people were like looking for him. No one even knew he was gone.
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And then later my boss was like, man, we're so lucky that dude started the fight. I was like, that was our guys. I was trying to speed this up a little bit. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's hot in the back of the van.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I've done a lot of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, those guys are chump change. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Easy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You got to have a turp. People speak the language. But yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
Everybody talks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Are you kidding me?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You don't got to do shit. It's easy. What? Yeah. Fear and common sense is a powerful tool. You know what I mean? Most of the time, like... Okay. Think about this. Okay. This is every human being. This is me. This is you. Look, there's stuff that you're going to die with that you ain't telling no one about. Everybody does that. Right. Does that make sense to you?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But there's secrets people keep to their grave. Right. That's basically what I'm saying. Right. Uh, and then there's other shit like what's your cousin's car look like that you just ain't holding any worth like getting beat over. It ain't worth fighting over. Like, uh, it's a little white car.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The entire time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Delta Force Operator John McPhee on Afghan War Stories, Keys to Leadership, and America as a Friend | Ep. 1080
What do you do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I would imagine he felt lucky to be alive every day. Right. You know what I'm saying?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, shortly after that. Yeah. We were, uh, look, we had to run all the man hunting is like a sweater. When like you have a yarn on a sweater, you pull it right. One of those threads is going to, the arm's going to come off. One of those threads, you pull it out forever. It doesn't do nothing. You know what I mean? So we're going to pull every thread.
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No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What else did you do? Zarqawi was serious days.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, I don't know. I wasn't really scared, but I did get a sword off a Zarqawi truck that was like a Roman short sword. And I'm like, there's pictures of me. I got my shirt off. I'm like, I don't know if you've ever seen those, but I wanted to, I would have cut one of their heads off. You know what I mean? Like, but no, it didn't scare me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, I have a brother.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, Zarqawi was a bully and he liked to pick on the weak. He didn't want to pick on us.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Older.
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You know what I mean? And then, you know, um, yeah, there's our Cowie days were great. Foreign fighters was great. I mean, I don't know. I loved it all, but, uh, like the foreign fighters, like you just show up in front of the house, have my guy get on the bullhorn. They'd start shooting. We'd level the house, you know, like those days were great. I mean, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think those days were great because that's when the military finally let us take the gloves off and be like, okay, you guys do this your way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, but he's just a little older than me, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, yeah. It was our cow. It was six. You know what I mean? But they'd finally start to let the gloves come off. You know, I think like, I think we were, we were throttled, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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uh a lot through a lot of stuff but i feel like through the zarkawi days no one gave a shit how we were getting it done you know what i mean so how long were you over there or how many deployments do you have uh i think i got 10 and then like i got a bunch of like the surge and the stay lates and shit like went back and back yeah 10 deployments yeah and then uh as a sar major i i spent a lot of time there but it didn't really count as a deployment i was back and forth
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Or did you fight all the way to the end of the... No, I was a SAR major. I retired in 11.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, man, you're only young so long, you know? But I'll tell you what, with stem cells and shit, I could have stayed another 10 years if modern science was hitting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, here I am. You know what I mean? What are you going to do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, why be ashamed of... Trying your best, no matter what that is, I think. Right? Mm-hmm. And I think that's really what it boils down to. I mean, yeah, I could be ashamed. Did a lot of people die? Yeah, a lot of people died. Why would you be ashamed? Did some of the wrong people die? Sure. You know what I mean? Did innocent people die? Sure. But, like, this is war.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And essentially war is you kill the bad guy and break his shit so he can't use that shit against you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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if I was told to go do that, why am I the bad guy in this? I'm not, you know what I mean? I'm just doing my best on a daily basis, you know? And then at the end of the day, I always seen it as I'm in the army. I take orders, let's go. And a lot of times I like those orders. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, man, you would think it's kind of interesting. You would think the brotherhood would have been strong. But like the war, like builds bonds. You can't, you can't get anywhere else. I guess, you know what I mean? Like, uh, you'd think like there's always a brotherhood, right? Well, we talk about the brotherhood, but we just joked about seal drama, you know what I'm saying?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, so having said that, uh, I think there's like guys that I'm like, I was in combat with that. We have a bond. Um, I think there's certain people I have bonds with over different stuff. But I think that bond, the brotherhood is just, you know, the experiencing the best and worst of humanity at the same time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. I mean, I always say like, I, I always say, well, I said this to my guys too, but I, we all gave uncle Sam a blank check. Get ready. Don't be mad if it gets cash, but don't be mad for somebody when their check is cash because they died doing what they loved. Can't be mad at that either.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, she died. Uh, I don't know. A while ago. So you, did you, were you close? Um, I mean, yeah, as close as you could kind of be with someone that, you know, is always like mean, bitter, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Um, no, Maybe.
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I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know. That's a good question. I think so these days. I don't know. Like, I don't know how it works.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like men and women serving together?
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I think women have very niche roles and can have very niche roles. I've worked with women. I've had women partners. They were great. But I think there's a role for them and they're not like the one you send, you know, Right. There's other stuff they do. So, uh, yes, we have, we have women always have women like, uh, and it, yeah, I mean, it's, I think there's more women on the planet than men.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know why that's true.
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man, I'll tell you this is I started out married at nine 11. I've been divorced several times. It's a hard life. You know, I don't think, I think it's a hard life because no one understands like your level of commitment. And I, I say that in a way like, You're choosing something that might cause your death over and over. People don't see that as rational, but they don't understand.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know what I mean? But so I would say, I always say this is like being married was like being in prison. You could call home. You ain't going there anytime soon. You know what I mean? That's just how it works.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't get it. That's how marriage works in the army. Like when you deployed a war, you could call home and get your one phone call. Yeah. Call home like once a week or something. Not going to be together a whole lot. Yeah. But you ain't going home.
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You know what I mean?
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You know what I mean? And that's tough on anybody. I would say this. Only guys that had perfect relationships, their marriages survived the war.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know what I mean? And I'd say the bulk of guys end up divorced.
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I do.
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I stopped keeping track when they turned over 21.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I have two. Are they good?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know. I don't got the energy to like hang on to that much shit.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're good people.
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My son was in the army and works for the army now.
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Well, it wasn't worth it. I mean, everyone can see that, right? It's not just me. I don't think it was worth it at all. I had a great time. I would say none of it was really worth it in a strategic sense, in a tactical sense. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like, honestly, but the reality is, is like, man, I had the time of my life and I, I would want anyone to know, like people, people like to thank me for my service. And it's like, I did whatever the fuck I wanted. I don't actually need any thanks. You know what I mean? Like a kid who was like a cook getting mortared in fucking wherever in Iraq nightly, that kid needs to be thanked.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
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Like I was just, I was just doing what I do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, yeah, I don't even get that. I was out alone all the time. Like I was out alone in Afghanistan. I don't get how being the lone survivor, I just don't understand that story only because I was out alone all the time. It didn't happen to me. You know what I mean? Cause the decisions I make on the ground.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying that's so foreign to me, I don't even understand it. Because I can tell you this, the Taliban could come after me. There'd be a whole lot of dead bodies for sure. And I'm just one person. I believe that. Imagine if there was two or three of me. Whew.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I could teach anybody this.
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It would start by me locking you in a room and beating you first.
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I think people would.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, of course. No bruises, no marks. I'm a pro. I've done a bunch of interrogations.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, on some things you got to let it go. Yeah. Like letting it go is the better way. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't have any classes like this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Leadership, right? Leadership.
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I think so. I think so. Like, um, most of my guys, if my guys killed somebody, I brought them all in a room. I made everyone have a drink. I made sure I told them they did exactly right. You know, this was expected of them, right? Like this is your job. Like someone should thank you. And I think if all that happens on the spot, you're less likely to carry the guilt with you later.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I believe a lot of this is, uh,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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framed up poorly a long time ago yeah and then i believe guys ride the hall pass for a long time and i call the hall pass uh booze but some people do drugs some people do i don't know what people do but uh for me my hall pass was booze you know what i mean and then still drink or no no more uh well i'm training for worlds right now so i am currently not drinking worlds in what
The Megyn Kelly Show
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jujitsu oh wow all you ex-military guys do jujitsu why is that i don't know jujitsu it's an hour of my day where i don't have to look at the phone it's uh sometimes there's minutes where someone's actually like choking the living shit out of me so i hear and the stubborn side of me is like i'm not giving it to them you know what i mean isn't it involuntary no What? No.
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No. Yeah. No. It's not involuntary? Uh-uh.
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I don't know. Yes. I mean, of course it did. It did. It didn't. I mean, look, I look at it this way. I turned out the way I turned out. And I think anybody in the situations I was in would come out the same way. And then you have to realize, like, you got to want to choose good. You know, it's easy for people to be bad. And I say this all the time. No one has bad intent, but shit gets fucked up.
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I got to learn those moves. If you make me give it to you, I'll give it to you. Otherwise, you could choke the shit out of me and I'll just ride it. Oh, my Lord. But when I'm in real survival mode, someone puts me in trouble, I got to think about what's next, my leverage, my everything, control my breathing, my heart rate. I call that real survival mode, like...
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That's, um, I'm so thankful for that. It's a, it's a clarity of some time. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know how like people talk about runners high, like, you know, I do cardio. It doesn't make me high ever. I've always hated it. But like jujitsu is, uh, I don't know. Sometimes when I'm in real survival, I don't got to think about my phone. I don't got to think about my life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Because I travel. I hit, I think, 28, 30 different dojos a year. I just walk in and...
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Oh, no, no, no. It's jujitsu. Like, look, this is unarmed.
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I'm not going to. Well, yeah, but as you get better at it, right? Like this is the point of submission. If you thought I was going to hurt you, you could tap.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So that's your escape button.
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I've had enough. Yeah, you just tap.
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I'm training for Worlds, cutting weight right now. What are you doing for money? Oh, I teach people to shoot.
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No, no, no. Yeah, yeah.
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Seriously? I couldn't count.
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Oh, yeah. I don't want to admit to anything. You know what I mean? Where are you living? I live in Raleigh, North Carolina.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I live near Fort Bragg still.
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You know what I mean?
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I don't do anything at Fort Bragg. I try not to.
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I do jujitsu. I off-road with my buddies. I got one of them side-by-side off-road vehicles. Yeah, I do that.
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He'll get it muddy. You know what I mean? I wouldn't bring light on these trips. But yeah, we normally off-road in the Arizona mountains yearly. Yeah, we go to this place, Crown King, oldest bar. There's no dirt. It's all dirt roads, no pavement. Stay up there in cabins. And it's kind of like, I don't know. We off-road, we drive. I eat cheeseburgers and I drink whiskey and then...
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I do that all weekend. I don't shower either. I don't even care. Let's go. We're four wheeling.
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Yeah. But, um, I four wheel, uh, man, I, you know, and then I just, I love teaching people to shoot. It's kind of like the thing I'm really good at.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, first off, talk to Pete. I need one of these Pentagon jobs. Tell me I shouldn't be, I will the deputy of special operations. Is that what you would like? Hell yeah. Let's go.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh man. Uh, but, uh, look, I like Trump. Uh, I like Vance. I like Pete. Uh, uh, I like what they're doing. Um, and like, what can I say? Like, I think they make good inherent decisions like for longterm, which we're not really used to here. You know what I mean? But, uh, I think they're all good. I don't watch the news or nothing, but I think they're good so far.
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I think, I thought Trump made great policies last time. You know what I mean?
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Oh, man, I got a ton of buddies that know Pete. Like, everybody loves Pete. You know what I mean? Like, that's all I needed to hear. And, you know, like, look, the Pentagon, we ain't won a war lately. And, you know, these generals will be like, oh, well, he was just lower enlisted saying that. But, like, yo, I watched you guys every day make fucked up decisions.
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I'd try to tell you and you'd be mad at me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not that I was always right, but like sometimes you're wrong also. And it's the, I think it's the hubris of the Pentagon that needs to be taken down a few notches. You know what I mean?
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And like, uh, anyway. Yeah. Uh, so I would happily serve this country and make everything better. You know what I mean?
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Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Let's go. Let's go. Let's call Pete. Pete, where you at? Let's call DJT and see if he's got something for you.
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Can I say that?
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Yeah, I know. Right. Uh, I'm trying to be nice, but shit gets fucked up. So, you know, I don't think my parents have bad intent. I don't think there were bad people. I think they were young. I think they drank, you know, anytime you drink, like, you know, I used to drink a ton. Uh, but, uh, anytime you drink, like, you know, of course there's going to be drama. That's it takes your filters away.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's probably a better way to deal with than telling someone just to...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I think it's just like a product of being young. I don't think anyone had a bad intent. I just think it, it is what it is. And, and I tell you, it's probably, it's generational. I mean, I'm not the only one, you know what I mean? But I would say it's generational. And I'd say there's kids in the same neighborhoods living about the same life and their parents were probably in school with me.
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You know what I mean? Like, and I think that's just how it works. It's like a cycle.
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No. How do you get past that?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I was the easy target. Like, you know, later in school, I didn't get beat up every day because I realized I learned to fight. I could protect myself. And like a lot of the...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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actual gang leaders and that like they respected that and uh so i didn't really have i had to earn my way in i guess but once i earned my way in it was fairly easy for me i mean uh and i look at it this way is like you know look you could be the victim okay great what's next
The Megyn Kelly Show
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How long are you going to do that for?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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You know, I knew I wanted to join. I kind of joined late. I was almost 21, but, uh, I wanted to join, but, um, I didn't know like when, you know what I mean? And then one day I was just like, fuck it, let's go.
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Um, well, um, I don't know. You know, they say hookers have a heart of gold. You know what I mean? Uh,
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Yeah. Yeah. And we weren't the only kids, you know what I mean? But yeah. You weren't? No.
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How many kids did they have? She had kids and like, so me and my brother helped raise other kids, stuff like that.
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Me and my brother decided we would be better on our own.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know, 12, 13, maybe pre-high school.
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No, I went to school myself.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Me and my brother, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I was living with my, I guess my stepmom. Anyway, it's a mess, you know, but I was living with my stepmom and then me and my brother just moved over there and they were nicer to me than anyone else I knew. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, no, I was only there for a little bit. Um, let's see what else happened. Um, I don't know. I didn't live there that long. Like just, I don't know, high school, some, most of my high school years, but that was it. Okay.
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Well, I always worked. I've been working since I was a little kid. I was a welder. I worked on trucks. So that's another thing I did is I always showed up to work on time, put myself to work, like earn money.
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I don't know. Maybe.
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No.
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I am very good at navigation. I don't know. I guess you're born with it because I would have never thought and I've never not been good at it.
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Never.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You could get a GPS.
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Yeah. Nowadays, like I could get lost nowadays. I'd say that only because like, I just listened to the lady on my phone turn left. Okay. Yes. Uh, so, but no, I have a pretty good sense of direction. Like maybe it's natural. I don't know.
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No, not really.
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Um, yeah, no, I pretty much avoided people most of my childhood. You know what I mean?
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Uh, no comment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Uh, well I was a mechanic, right? Uh, very mechanically inclined, uh, Uh, I was a welder as well. I fixed a lot of semi trucks, broken frames, um, dump trucks, whole wall collapse stuff. And it'd take me like weeks to rebuild these trucks, but it's kind of what I did. And then, um, and then, yeah, uh, I figured I could do this for the air force. You know what I mean?
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And then, uh, the biggest thing was like, my hands were like always black, like black
The Megyn Kelly Show
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cracked fingers like you're always welding it's always dirty uh greasy dirty stuff working on these uh trucks right and like honestly my thought was no girl is ever gonna let me put my hand in her pants if she sees my hand you know what i mean there's just it's not happening you know what i mean does that stuff not come off with the right soap I don't care how much soap you got.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like when you work like that, like your hands are black. So, uh, yeah. So, uh, I figured I got to do something else. You know what I mean? Like I, I just can't do this forever, you know, only because I was always dirty every day and you couldn't, you couldn't like not be dirty. Like even your days off, you couldn't wash and you weren't clean. You know what I mean?
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So, uh, I figured, well, maybe now's the time to join the army.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They said, uh, I didn't have high enough skills to, uh, be a mechanic, which I was, uh, they told me, uh, I could be admin and I'm like, okay, what's that? Maybe I'll do this. What's the admin? And, um, he was like, well, you type memos, maybe process awards. And I was like, my mom's a secretary. Like, that's what that sounds like. I'm out, you know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, and they're like, hey, son, have you talked to the Marines of the Army yet? And I'm like, no, I didn't even think of it, you know? So I went to the Army. Why the Army? Well, a buddy of mine was an airborne ranger and said how great it was, so I just went down there and told him I wanted to be an airborne ranger. Did they give you a hard time? Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, yeah. Why? Well, I had like a—so first off, I had a mullet. Okay, but— But who didn't have a mullet then?
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uh, 80, no, 90, 89 is when I was talking to the crew. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I had a mullet and they're like, you know, guys like, yo, Bob, Hey, this guy wants to be a ranger. And they come out and they like laughed at me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't know. But, uh, yeah, I was just like this skinny mullet head kid, you know, and, uh, they didn't believe in me, but I didn't care, you know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. I figured, I figured, well, Bob was a fat, bald guy anyway. So like, you know, Bob, you're not impressive. And the guy I was talking to seemed like a dullard. So it's not like these guys impressed me. I just knew there was more to the army. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't know if I was doing like in my day, I was like, you sign up for the college money. You know what I mean? Like people did. Uh, I didn't know why I signed up and I definitely didn't think I needed college money whatsoever. You know what I mean? Um, but I, I joined, uh, all my family, you know, it turned out it's like a family business.
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Uh, my grandpa was both my grandpa's, my great grandpa, World War II. Like, so, uh, it turned out a lot of people in my family were in the service and like no one really talked about it. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, and that's the whole problem with the argument. And by the way, he is, he being Mr. Hockman, is parroting the, and I understand parroting is kind of a pejorative, but he's adopted kind of a narrative of the, what I call, I jokingly say the 90s are calling and they want their DA's office back. That's been the traditional mantra, if you will, of the DA's office.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And, you know, one of the things that Megan had mentioned that Marcia said, and I have had spirited conversations about this, Marsha was there in the DA's office at the time, in real time, in the 90s. She knew what was going on. She will, at least in the green room, before we get on to Megan's on-air thing, she will admit to me that, of course, they needed to win that case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They had to win it at all costs. The DA at the time was in the fight for his life. And so, you know, there is a symbiotic relationship.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Remember, Megan, you tilt that way. So I'm going to bring you back to center.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Two wrongs don't make a right, though, Megan. Just because the system's broken there doesn't mean it should be broken everywhere. And I think, let me tie it up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What does that mean? Does that mean they shouldn't get relief just because they have a higher profile case? Maybe it'll help the other people. I'll tie it in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This was one of President Trump's talking points when he was on the campaign trail, how the system is broken, how it needs to be looked into, how it needs to be fixed, how we can't just do business as usual, the standard thing over and over again. It's time to readjust, to basically take a deeper look. And I think Trump is leading the way. He saw it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Now the system is broken on the state level here in New York and the federal level. And I think it's going to hopefully have some very positive change regarding reform in the system, which is long overdue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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By the way, I will, I stand by, I know that, uh, that, uh, that Mr. Hockman has at least articulated that he doesn't buy it. But I will go to my grave telling you, if they were the Menendez sisters, they never would have gotten life without parole. It's a given. Anybody who's in the criminal justice system, who's honest with you, will tell you that. And the DA, we played this out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Let me make Mark's point. I tried a case in Queens, New York.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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What are you having me on here for? Just to look pretty? You have a handsome bald guy on here? I tried a case in Queens, New York, of a young woman who had her father's penis, and he was screaming and yelling, so she stuffed a towel in his mouth, and he gagged to death. It wasn't the penis injury that killed him. It was the gagging that killed him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Viewer warning, please. There you go. Well, I used a proper word. Like you sometimes there, Miss Kelly, who drops some bombs. My mother yelled at me. You're talking about- Talking like that. Castration. None is listening. So, anyway, the jury came back, and it was a woman. She testified. She admitted to every crime. Prosecutor, after her testimony, stood up in front of her and said, Ms.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Richard Harris, you intended to cause serious physical injury to your father by cutting off his penis, correct? Yes. And when you did that, you caused his death, correct? Thank you. Those are all the elements of manslaughter to the first degree, which is a 25-year sentence. The jury came back and said, not guilty. They found her guilty of a much lower charge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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in prison and she was out so you know it's somewhat similar he had not molested her in a decade but she saw him making moves on her five-year-old niece and she said i was not going to let that happen to my niece and i took matters literally into my own hands
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I couldn't be better. How about you, Megan?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, I said it publicly after the last status conference. There is a case, an appellate case in California. It says specifically a subsequent DA cannot pull back the resentencing, number one. And number two, Judge Jessick also at the last hearing invoked what is called AB 600, which is his judge-initiated ability to do it. So no, he can't call it back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Resentencing hearing is going to happen on the 30th and 31st, and it's going to be up to the judge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, when you say inconsistencies, that's about as charitable as you can get. And by the way, I'm going to ask Alex Spiro next time he calls him a Busby, the 1-800 lawyer. I call him the 1-800 Diddy lawyer. I mean, he's out there with the billboards. He's filing things anonymously.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then it turns out when Alex was doing his press conference yesterday that not only was the description of the House impossible to minutes outside of Manhattan. But virtually everything else about this story was impossible, not to mention, as you said, the father. But this is not the first time that one of these things as to Diddy has fallen apart.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, Gloria Allred brought a case that ended up falling apart. I actually followed on one of the TV shows a lawyer who brought three cases against Diddy, and he said, that 60 people had come to his office talking about Diddy, but the 57 of them were so ridiculous that he didn't take them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, that tells you 95% of the people making the claims don't even pass the smell test for a lawyer, yet he's going to take three or vice versa. I mean, this is really, at the end of the day, if you look at the Diddy case, And, you know, there's almost a service that has been done by them expanding it to Jay-Z. Everybody says there's all these celebrities involved.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, so far, everybody says any minute the tape's going to drop, the tapes are being shopped, blah, blah, blah. The problem is that was in September. Now we're in December. Not one tape has been released that I have seen. No, not one other person who is an alleged victim has been identified. It's still we're down to it's still a one accuser case that's being brought criminally.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think that a lot of this is totally overblown and there isn't any indication. Everybody keeps talking about the Diddy parties. Where are the tapes located? of the Diddy Parties where this is supposedly going on. Nobody's ever seen it. It's become like the Loch Ness Monster.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And also, but Meg, let's talk about something historical that took place this week. And it's a case that you and I, I don't know how many stories we did on the original Kendall's court slash Kelly's court. The young woman who was young then accused the Duke lacrosse players of raping her has now come out and said, yeah, I made the whole thing up. Which is horrible, is what she did was horrible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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She's actually just committed like a little bit of a public service to show like, we'll do make these things up. Everyone's like, oh, make this up on a whole plot. Oh, it just creates such a story. Never happens. Yeah, it actually does happen. It happened. Those four kids' lives were ruined. Their families ruined, financially wiped out. A DA was brought to his knees out there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was just, you know, a despicable situation that happened. And now, almost 20 years later, she admits, yeah, I made the whole thing up. And this girl with the Jay-Z thing... I mean, her own father. Yeah, I think I would remember if I drove five hours to pick up my daughter from a nightclub. But for Jay-Z, I agree with Mark that he did perform somewhat of a public service when his name came out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And he fought. He said, look, I feel bad for my kids. I feel bad they're going to have to hear about this. But I am not going to be extorted. I'm not giving a penny. I know I didn't do that. And I'll tell you, Mark and I represented these kinds of people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It is often a lot easier for them to fill out a three-page document, a non-disclosure agreement, write out a check for an amount of money that's not going to change their quality of life, just make it go away. He probably could have done that here, but he didn't, and good for him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I doubt she's gotten seizures. And, you know, as lawyers... We raise our hand the day you're sworn in and you take an oath. And some people take that oath more seriously than others. So I had a woman come in here, a woman, not a young woman, a woman. She's 38 years old in the end of August. And she made these types of claims.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I have had three retired judges in my law firm and three other lawyers. And I believe her. I believe what she's saying. But I am fallible. I make mistakes. We've all now interviewed her over the course of four months. And now, finally, I think in January, we will file a suit along these lines.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But it's not until six human beings with different life experiences, different ages, have evaluated this individual before you make such a serious claim. And this is it's not a case that's going to make the news, but it's going to affect somebody else's life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And when I took that oath in 1992, that's still in the front of my mind in 2024, that I'm always going to try to do the right thing and make sure I'm very, very careful and not throw people's names and reputations under the bus. You know, when they just named Beyonce the singer of the first quarter century. They didn't include her last name, Carter, in her remarks or whatever it was.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's, in my opinion, a direct ramification of this new lawsuit. And... You know, you can't, you can't just be so careless, even if you are going to get three summer homes or six summer homes or a yacht out of it. To my own self be true. And I think Mr. Busby is struggling with that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Look, I'm not going to BS you and say, yeah, I would do that in any case. Before I was going to go after someone the likes of Jay-Z, who, look, the guy started off life as a crack dealer. So, you know, he wasn't exactly in the seminary before he became a billionaire. But he's led a pretty clean life the last three decades or so, if not four decades, I'd say three decades.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, OK, but as far as we know, as far as he's in the public eye, he's under public scrutiny on a regular basis. You have to do some minimal fact checking. Like, does the location exist where this person is saying it took place? I would definitely pick up the phone and be like, OK, let's talk to your dad. That's a simple one. My dad picked me up. Okay, good. Let's just chat with your dad.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, that is not hard. I'm going to go back to the case that I talked to you just to show you how careful I am, Megan. This particular case in my office, this woman has the potential defendant on tape admitting things. And I'm still being overly cautious before I start a lawsuit to this magnitude. So we have a responsibility of lawyers, as lawyers, to cross our T's and dot our I's.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I say penis, and you yell at me, and you just say the whole word BS, and I can't, you know, that's okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, look, he has said various things. He has now, as we are discussing, has extended an invitation to meet, which is obviously something that I've been waiting for. And I will point out where he is wrong, and I will help educate him on the law. And the law is, and the facts are, that in the second trial, imperfect self-defense was not allowed as a jury instruction. Explain what that is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So second-degree murder is the typical charge. First-degree is for police officers, firefighters, EMT workers. I believe if you kill someone under 14 years old, if you execute someone who's going to be a witness, there's very, very specific first-degree murder elements of a crime. Can you still go to jail forever?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You can still go to, yeah, well, I believe first-degree murder, you get life without parole, and murder in the second degree is 25 to life. First-degree murder is very, very rare. Thank God, actually, I'm just going to say this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This Friday will be the 20-year anniversary, excuse me, the 10-year anniversary when Detective Ramos and Detective Lou were executed on the streets of New York sitting in their police cars. That's a first-degree murder case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, you're going to get mad at your booker for this. Mark Agnifilo's partner is who? Is it Garagos? Is it Garagos? Yes, my daughter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Okay. That firm also represents Diddy. So full disclosure. And I've represented Diddy for years. So full disclosure there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm glad you put that at the end of the segment, Mark. Most people want to put the full disclosure. So do you have the right to remain silent?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, if they hadn't turned off of her penis cutting, then they're still listening. This is their reward. I don't know. And all I know, I haven't talked to Karen other than just briefly about it so far. She used to be of counsel to me. before she went with her husband and Tenny. And I don't know if they are conceding that he is the shooter or not. Obviously, that's the first thing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They've got to see what the evidence is and what the prosecution has. I mean, as of right now, I believe he's still in Pennsylvania. I don't think I'm telling any secrets in that I think extradition will probably get waived and that they'll get to New York and then they'll get the discovery, which is the package of information. And then they'll make a decision as to what's going to happen here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I will tell you that I'll be Captain Obvious here, that people have already assumed that he did it and that he did it for the reasons that have been kind of tapped into the public consciousness, which is that people have a lot of animus towards these healthcare companies and these insurance companies for the way that they treat people. I mean, it's amazing to me if you take a look
The Megyn Kelly Show
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At this act, which normally, if this was any other situation, people would be screaming. But within hours of this act, Aetna had to reverse the fact that they had said they'd come out and said they weren't going to pay for anesthesia for the entire length of an operation. And they had to reverse that based on the kind of public outrage over this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I remember, I'll be like Arthur and talk about prior cases, almost 20 years ago, I had a young lady or family where the Cigna would not pay for their liver transplant and claimed it was too experimental. And until we organized a protest in front of Cigna, they changed their mind, but it was too late. And this beautiful 17-year-old girl died. And we ended up trying to go after Cigna for that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it was amazing to me that became a kind of an issue in the then presidential election. There are all kinds of public sentiment, and probably in a lot of cases, rightfully so, where there are If they embrace that and they go down that road, that jurors may say that there is some mental element that justifies that if, in fact, it turns out that he is the shooter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, I don't know that that is the only mental element. I don't know enough about the facts. I don't know enough about the facts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Okay. Yeah, I mean, the first thing I would do, Megan, is you order at a Raymond's. Go ahead, Mark.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, just save the tape. Go ahead, Arthur.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
At a Raymond's. At a Raymond's. I haven't been in this position before. I've represented someone who I don't know, Luigi, but this guy, I got him. I got him the insanity defense without a trial. prosecutors agreed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So you do what's called a 730 exam, right at arraignments, which means when he's incarcerated, doctors who work for the city of New York and under the supervision of the judge examine him. And that examination isn't about his mental state at the time that the crime took place, but his mental state at that point to see whether he can represent himself, to see if he can help in his own defense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Imperfect self-defense is where you get a jury instruction where the jury can basically say, we're not going to vote for murder. We're going to eliminate malice based on imperfect self-defense. And that is the idea that you felt that there was danger because of the syndrome that you were exposed to. In this case, back in the 90s, we had battered women's syndrome.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If a judge says, this kid doesn't even know that we're on on the planet Earth. He thinks we're on Mars. He just gets warehoused and keeps getting evaluated until that happens. So he's not out on the street. He's in a facility with bars and chains. But then at times, if you find, your expert finds that this person is so...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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just really is not in touch with reality, you could then bring him into the DA's office. Their expert or experts evaluate that person and they can agree to, all right, we're not going to put him in prison. We're going to put him in a hospital prison. And statistically speaking, this is why you don't usually want to do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Statistically speaking, on murder cases, you spend more time incarcerated in a hospital prison than you do if you pled guilty to 22 years to life and you're up for parole at 22 and then at 24 and then at 26 and then at 28. Yes, you wind up spending more time incarcerated. A lot of these times, Megan, they really are, I hate to use the word, like crazy, but they are really crazy. Like, it's scary.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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After what, 40 years? I'm just saying, like it wasn't a life sentence for him. But at 25 to life, you usually get out at 30, 32, 35 years. So he was in there, John Hinckley Jr. was in there a very, very long time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Absolutely.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Look, Mark started off with, do you come out and not lose credibility and admit that it was him right off the bat so you don't look like a fool? Whereas his first lawyer in Pennsylvania is like, I've seen no evidence that it was him. That's a little bit of a stretch. What's more scary to me
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Is the people who look at him as a hero and people who are putting money in a GoFundMe for him and whatever. You know, some host on another television show when I was on tried to compare Luigi and the GoFundMe played Daniel Penny, the guy who was just acquitted. I mean, it was absolutely ridiculous. One guy, Luigi, plotted this thing out for a long, long time and executed someone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This Daniel Penny woke up one day and was heading from point A to point B and saw something he thought was going to be of tremendous danger, if not death, to somebody else.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I've talked to you, Megan, about the fact that I tried murder cases in the 90s where I used the battered women's syndrome. Back then, it was not extended formally by the legislature to others besides intimate partners. It was formally in 2004, the legislature expanded it. So the second trial, which the evidence started eight days after the O.J.,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, I have a question for you then, Arthur, because I'm glad you brought up Penny. As somebody who has close family members who ride the subway, I do not understand for a second that prosecution by that DA's office, it's ridiculous. And I said it before about Trump, which I never understood in that prosecution. But this prosecution makes zero sense to me. I love Daniel Penny.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I don't understand it. I don't understand. Talk about be careful what you wish for. When that jury came back, as they often often do on a Friday afternoon at around three o'clock and said we're hung. And then they gave the Allen instruction, which, by the way, I don't know why you guys still haven't had that declared unconstitutional in New York. In our state courts, you can't do it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The fact that they moved to have that greater charge dismissed and then have them come back on a Monday to deliberate on the lesser charge, if that isn't once in jeopardy, I mean, they should be – and they were trying anything to get a conviction. What was the point of that? What were the – what was the –
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Luckily for Daniel Penny, it'll never be appealed because when you win, you don't appeal. So no one's going to know whether it was correct or incorrect.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm not sure. First of all, they were only able to do that with Judge Max Wiley's approval. And I don't know what Judge Max Wiley said or what his ruling would have been. So it's and again, we're not going to find out because he was acquitted. Let me just go back to the beginning, Mark.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's why I don't think that's relevant. I mean, I don't think it was meaningful. Oh, we were dismissing without prejudice. Of course it's with prejudice. It's definitely with prejudice. Yes, of course.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Go ahead. Going back to the beginning, Mark, you know, when this happened... primarily because it was on video. You guys know this. When we were kids and you heard testimonial evidence, it was one thing. But when you're actually watching, and it's the same thing with George Floyd, if there was no video on the George Floyd case, we would never know the name George Floyd.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So it's the video that incites. It's the video that makes things much more important. And I think Greg had no choice but to put it into the grand jury. However, those of us who have been prosecutors know there are ways to put cases into the grand jury to kind of maybe get one result or another result. And they decided that they didn't overcharge the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I'm shocked they didn't ask for the higher charge of manslaughter in the first degree. But they got the manslaughter of the man too. It would be naive to say there wasn't a racial aspect to this, even though besides Daniel Penny, there was a black person holding him down. It's the reason. Well, the video was huge though, Megan. The video was huge.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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When you watch a person's life get snuffed out, like you watched George Floyd's life, his leg, he's kicking, kicking, and then he just dies. That's one human who is killing another human. There's no doubt about that. And that's not the type of thing that we really need to examine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I go back to this, who would I rather have on the subway? Of course. Jordan Neely or do I want Daniel Penny?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, that was in the summation. And I worked very, I was very supportive. I'll leave it at that with the team on Daniel Penny's case. They did a great job, Tom Kniff and Steve Reiser. But here's where the prosecutor messed up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The jury's charge, when the judge told them, is you cannot deliberate on the lesser included of criminally negligent homicide until you have a verdict on manslaughter in second degree, the more serious charge. So they went under the assumption that... Well, we'll get him on the criminy negligent homicide, but we're not going to get there unless we give them an out on the man too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There were some dramatically different rulings, and those rulings are what affected the result by the jury. That's on the habeas. Then on the resentencing, you have, and he's talked about it, he being Mr. Hockman, that he has looked at thousands of pages of C-files. C-files are the correctional files. It's everything correct.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So if they're hung on the man too, they can't get to crim neg. So we'll say, which is something we've never done before, dismiss the higher count and victim of the lesser count. And in fact, it backfired.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
But what I just can't get my head around is how do you, as a defense lawyer, you defend against the more serious charge. You go through all the case. You're focused on the more serious charge. The jury deliberates, says they're hung. I defended the whole case. You defend the whole case based on the more serious charge. They're hung.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You give them the Allen charge, which in a lot of jurisdictions, as I've already mentioned, is unconstitutional. To coerce the jury, they still stand tall. And then you say, sorry, we were just joking. We're going to dismiss that. How is that not once in jeopardy on this case? I don't understand that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Well, the defense objected, first of all. The defense strenuously objected to the top count being dismissed. And the reason why the defense bar was so up in arms over the weekend was we don't want this to be a trend where prosecutors overcharge cases. Hey, I'm on the top count. We get two bites at the apple. All right, fine. We didn't get the man one. We'll dismiss that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Make sure you convict him on the man two. But again, it'll never be appealed since he was found not guilty. I see that perfectly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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that these two gentlemen for the last 35 years, actually 30 because for the first number of years they were in the county jail, it's everything they've done in prison.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Unfortunately, it's a story often told, and it is... To some degree, it's repulsive. The whole idea here that you have, first of all, the idea that Daniel Penny would be prosecuted, I know that you want to go under the civil, I just can't leave the criminal. This, to me, was such an outrageous prosecution.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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As a defense lawyer, and I'm not a member of the New York State Bar, but I will tell you that if I was in the criminal defense bar, State Bar of New York, like Arthur, they should be outraged. They should be up in arms. The idea that you can overcharge
The Megyn Kelly Show
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the somebody bring a prosecution like this the jury coerce the jury by giving an allen charge a dynamite charge and then pull this stunt and have this guy i mean does anybody understand just how over the top this is you already said that i just it i can't moving forward yeah no you must
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I refuse. I'm hung on this, Megan. I'm hung and I'm not moving. Regarding the civil case, Megan, I have repeatedly said what you just said. See, there's Arthur. He's got the opportunity to reclaim the microphone. There you go. I'm trained in this, you know. He...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I will tell you that based on my investigation, based on the DAs who were involved in the investigation, who filed the resentencing memorandum, it's the most impressive book of accomplishments by anybody who, especially it's amplified when you think about the fact that That as of 2005, they had no hope of ever getting out. They could have gone in one direction.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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the father the uncle the aunt all these people were there this guy jordan neely was a sad case he was mentally ill he was a drug addict he was a criminal and yet i think one of the people in his family did give an interview and say i would drive around manhattan and try to find him and occasionally i would and bring him in my car
The Megyn Kelly Show
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and try to help him they gave definitely gave him a lot more attention in death than he did in life and that's why he's in the position that he's in and i know we focused on on these two individuals penny and neely but we need to look i'll just speak for new york city the bigger problem with mental illness in the streets of new york uh neely is not a unique character unfortunately
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's not only the streets of New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Dallas, Miami. There is mental illness that's prevalent. I don't know if it's always been prevalent. I don't know if it's a newer thing. Drugs are much more intense. Even straight up marijuana is much more intense, but they have this K2 stuff. And people are like losing their minds. And we are not doing anything to address it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The NYPD is not supposed to be the entity that approaches a guy in the street who's doing nothing but his pants are around his knees. He's absolutely exposed. It's 20 degrees outside. We need like a different unit. We need someone else. It should just be cops putting handcuffs on a guy who doesn't even know his name and is dribbling. We need to address this in a much bigger way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And maybe the Daniel Penny case is opening up some eyeballs and some brainpower to figure out how to prevent tragedies like this from happening. Because it was a tragedy for Daniel Penny as well. Of course, it was a tragedy for Neely and his family. But for Daniel Penny, it would go through hell, that kid, for a year and a half. It will for a little while longer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I will look at the subsections. It would be interesting to see if... Obviously, we know he's not a cop, fireman, EMT, or anything, peace officer. I don't know if he was about to go testify at a congressional hearing or some sort of a trial, but they do know if you kill a witness. So I don't know exactly what...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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theory of murder in the first degree they're going to be looking for or maybe they're just overcharging and see if it gets you know what sticks and if they want to lower the charge but a grand jury would have to approve the murder in the first degree charge that's what happened
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Instead, they went in the direction of starting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There you go channeling your pro-ho again. Just when I thought we had gotten to kind of you centered and being more moderate, you just go off. Not on Luigi. I am definitely very pro him going to jail forever. going to go as far as Dickie and tell you that I've seen no evidence, but I don't know what the evidence is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But I will tell you, whenever somebody argues about jury nullification, I'm always a little leery about that. There's always the overcharging by prosecutors. I don't I hear people protesting or being upset when prosecutors overcharge. A defense lawyer has a duty, and that's to zealously defend. It's a different duty than the prosecutor. The prosecutor is supposed to seek justice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Now, what you call jury nullification, there, I'm sure, I would guess, there's going to be a robust exploration of the mental state of this young man if the facts are as simplistically and powerfully overwhelming as you've described them. I just don't know that yet. But if they are, as a defense lawyer, the first thing you do is you look at the evidence that the prosecution has.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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At the same time, you walk and chew gum and you take a look at exactly what the mental state of your client is. And that's the important thing to do as a defense lawyer. And you don't get swayed by kind of one side or the other. And you're not looking necessarily when people talk about jury nullification, I always say, well, yeah, there's only two things that are not appealable in the criminal law.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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One is a not guilty verdict, as Arthur mentioned, and the other is a presidential pardon. So those are the two kind of escape hatches. That's what our Constitution is based on. And I don't call it jury nullification. I call it not guilty.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, the judge relied on what's called the harmless error. He's like, even if it did come in, the evidence against Trump was overwhelming without this bad evidence. So it's harmless error that I allowed it in. And we're going to stick with the result that the jury gave. Typically, that's what an appellate court does. An appellate court rules. Yes, the trial judge should not allow this in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He did allow it in. The jurors did hear it. But there was so much other evidence that it didn't matter. So that's where we are with that piece of the puzzle. The sentence in this case, I believe, was supposed to be July 16th. Then in between the conviction and July 16th, that's when the Supreme Court decision came down with the presidential immunity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
There have been all kinds of motion practice that was supposed to happen in September, that was supposed to happen in November, but that Trump won. And I try to look up today what the next date is for a sentence, and I don't see one. But it may have just been announced because this decision came down yesterday. A lot of people thought maybe the judge was going to dismiss the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
But that was not the case. And a 41-page opinion, so those of you know, in state criminal court is a very big opinion. They're normally like four to five pages, not 41 pages. There now has to be some sort of a sentencing to end this. Alvin Bragg has suggested, let's just all agree that Or adjourn it until after President Trump's tenure as the President of the United States.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
But a defendant has the right to a speedy trial, and this falls into all of his constitutional rights. So I don't see that happening. I think Merchant's hands are going to be tied, and he's going to have to sentence him to, like—
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Time served, which was the one day he had to surrender to be processed, or an unconditional discharge, which means, okay, you're going to go through life as President of the United States with 34 convictions hanging around your neck for the rest of your life and throughout the history unless an appellate court reverses it. And go on and be president of the United States. What is he going to do?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
He can't sentence him to probation. He wasn't going to check in with a probation officer every week as a president. He can't sentence him to jail because the sitting president can't go to jail. And I don't see any scenario where, okay, we're going to put this over four years and change. Then you'll go to jail after your presidency. So I think... A lot of nothing's going to happen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I would suspect Rashad will give him a tongue lashing saying you've been convicted. You're a convicted felon. I think what you did was horrible. And you set a horrible precedent. But this is a unique case. And I would have sent you to jail. But now I think I cannot send you to jail in the interest of justice. You should send him in for community service.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Right. I was just going to say, I didn't realize we'd be talking about this, but I pulled up the quote that I noticed yesterday that Todd Blanche, who's now nominated to be the number two at DOJ, wrote. And he said, as a further illustration-
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
of DA Bragg's desperation to avoid legally mandated dismissal, DANY proposes that the court pretend as if one of the assassination attempts against President Trump had been successful, quote unquote. And that is exactly right. There is no reason in the world for for him to be sentenced.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
By the way, Arthur, you can correct me, but if this had been in most courts, the fact that he hasn't been sentenced means that he is not a convicted felon. I don't know if there's some nuance in New York, but federally and in the state courts that I've practiced in, without sentencing, you're not convicted per se.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And the fact that they had to dance on the head of a pin to try to say that the evidence that was brought in, where they're talking about things that happened when he was in office. I mean, Megan, you covered this in real time. They had all kinds of days and hours of evidence about what happened post-election at the White House. And to say now, well, sorry, we were just kidding.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
It was overwhelming. And therefore, it didn't implicate presidential immunity is just nonsense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So many appellate arguments here. So many, so many arguments here. It's a case of first impression. It's a federal case brought in state court. The jurors didn't have to be insistent on what underlying crimes Trump allegedly committed. There is so much appellate practice here. It's actually exciting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm not exactly sure why they would not be permitted to have all of that at the trial. Usually, at least in New York, you get extensive access to the medical examiner's files, including some of the items that were just articulated. They're in federal court now, so he's exhausted all of his... state court remedies. So they're in federal court.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
It's under, I assume, some sort of habeas corpus, free the body claim, saying, look, our theory of the case was it wasn't the choke that killed him. There was other factors that killed him. But we weren't allowed access to all of the initial autopsy, the best evidence that could have been provided to us. We need that evidence to
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
reopen this case and say, because we didn't have this evidence, we were not able to prove that it was a heart condition or drugs that were in his system that caused the death, not the compression on his neck. And the judge is now saying, okay, I'm going to give it to you. Go at it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So I'm going to wildly speculate because I wish I could talk to the lawyer who's representing him. But it has I'm like Arthur trying to figure this out, that you would assume that you had access to this. And he had a very able defense lawyer. I was always impressed with the way he tried the case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm going to assume that there is an ineffective assistance of counsel claim, which is often the case when you get to federal court under a 2255 that you allege that the defense lawyer didn't do ABC or D. And one of the ways you would prove that is that they didn't get or that there was some, I guess the flip side to that prosecutorial misconduct for not turning over certain items.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
If there are items that were not turned over or if the defense lawyer did not request those items or the items somehow got lost in transit, then I could see where this revolves around either prosecutorial misconduct or IAC, wild caveat, wild speculation. But even if you and the point you made, Megan, if in fact and it was, you're absolutely right that they argued that in closing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And if they find something that either wasn't turned over or should have been requested, that supports that and supports a narrative that if the jury had known about it, it would have changed the direction of the conviction. And I can see where this this gambit has legs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So the only thing analogous was here and actually in Brooklyn, New York, they charged some child welfare agency workers who worked for the city with criminally negligent homicide when a parent caused the death of their child when there had been reports that there was some domestic violence in the house.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
But apparently the investigators went there and they didn't see anything, but there were real questions about did they do a thorough investigation or did they ring the bell and say, okay, we were here and leave. And I believe they pled guilty to a very low charge of murder. They were held responsible for something that they were very far away from when it took place.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I mean, if we're going to start charging people with murder, for not being good citizens. Now, of course, this is in Buenos Aires, not in Brooklyn, New York, but that raises the standard on all of us as human beings to act. Then you juxtapose that with Daniel Penny, who did act. She said someone almost went to jail himself. It gets a little confusing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Hey, I'd like to point out that Arthur brought it back to Daniel Penny, not me, who was still stuck with Daniel Penny. So I just want to point that out. It's okay, Mark.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Yes, exactly. But the the I'm not so sure that this isn't a function of the Argentinian process. It's similar to some of the European countries where the judge does the investigation. There's a prosecutor. Prosecutor kind of lays it in the lap of the judge. And the judge is more of an activist role as opposed to an adjudicated like in Italy. Yeah, exactly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And I think that's what's happening here would be my uninformed, unadmitted in Argentina speculation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm happy to jump back and talk about Daniel Penny again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Look at that. You know, I mean, like I said, I'm giving you I'm giving the pro ho all of her ammunition that she needs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm not going near it. It's a little scary.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
That's exactly what it stands for, Megan. Prosecution ho. How am I supposed to celebrate the whore label?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I object on behalf of Doug.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Well, I really do like my chances because, mind you, this is somebody who has practiced criminal defense. He represented, I believe, Lee Baca, who was the sheriff here who was charged federally. So once I point out to him,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
um where where he's wrong frankly on this once i show him the uh and walk him through and as you said he's in he's welcome to a fulsome presentation which i plan on giving him i think he'll change his mind i think he'll understand what specifically what's but can you speak to that claim that they were allowed to testify to all the stuff that you said can i make mark's case for him outsider
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Well, first of all, I have to just say, because Mark talked about basically battered woman syndrome. And since it's a special edition of Kelly's Court, I'm going to brag. I actually, my very first murder case as a criminal defense attorney, allowed for the first time in the United States of America, battered woman syndrome to be used against a man.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
and they were two gay men, and one killed the other based on a series of abuse and all kinds of abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse. But it had never been before anything more than husband and wife, and this expanded it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
And Megan, it's been used very successfully, not to get people off, not to get people to say they're not guilty, but as opposed to life in prison or 25 years in prison, it's a tremendous mitigating factor, reduces sentencing, exponentially from life in prison to 15 years. In my particular case, when I came into the case, the prosecutor said, all right, Arnie, I'll give you 22 years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I mean, my guy totally did it. There was no issue about it. I'll give you 22 years. And then I raised battered woman syndrome. That's not going to work. I'll give you 20 years. And then the judge put on three experts who said battered woman syndrome is not just between a husband and a wife. It can be through very different relationships. And it is gender neutral. It's all about control and power.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
He wound up pleading to six years. So that's where it matters so much.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
It's exactly right. And that was the first time they had expanded it from the idea. And I'm telling you, until the 2000s, Until the 2000s, this was not something that was recognized outside of what we used to call intimate partners.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I'm going to have to stop calling you my pro-host, so...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Quite a bit about you, Megan. That that little tidbit might explain quite a bit about your tilt.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
I believe there were 51 witnesses who the defense called Leslie Abramson, who tried it admirably and who He's still alive and was one of the great defense lawyers around. Leslie had called 51 witnesses, including experts, including family members, who testified to the range of things that were going on there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
One of the things that sticks out to me is this idea that there was a rule in the household that if Jose was with one of the boys in a room down the hall, you could not go down the hall. And that is chilling to me. There were in the second trial, literally, I want to say 20 some odd witnesses who were not allowed to testify that could not corroborate what Eric was saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So you had this idea that by the time you got to the closing argument, you could allow, and this is exactly what happened, the district attorney to make a closing argument that said, oh, this is an abuse excuse. These are rich kids. They just wanted to inherit money. There was no corroboration. They were a bunch of whiners.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
In the first trial, you were able to corroborate, you were able to put on the witnesses, including family members, including experts who corroborated all of this. And there was also a ruling and several rulings as to Lyle, which basically boxed Lyle in from being able to testify.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
So there was a monumental change in the rulings between trial number one and trial number two, the witnesses that were allowed to be called in trial number one and trial number two. And I look forward to presenting that because those are the things that are, to my mind, irrebuttable. It's factual determinations.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
Right. No, obviously it doesn't. But he's also a comedian who's just gotten elected. But even though he's even sworn in yet as the DA, I would think that would happen in the beginning of the year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
We've got this weird thing in L.A., the county charter. He gets sworn in on December, I believe it was the 6th, which is unusual. Oh, sure.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
All right. So anyway, my understanding is he was more of the law and order guy than the last guy. So he's probably trying to flex his muscles a little bit that I'm not going to go easy. This is right this second, as far as us New Yorkers know, the highest profile prime in L.A. right now. So he probably is trying to send the message that we're not going to be going easy on anybody.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Jay-Z Accuser Inconsistencies, Murder One For Mangione, and Trump Lawfare Latest, with Arthur Aidala and Mark Geragos | Ep. 972
The question I think I have for Mark is, did that jury get the appropriate charge from the judge for with the California equivalent of battered woman syndrome, battered person syndrome.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 959
He volunteers and he joins the 101st Airborne Division as a infantry platoon leader. And he goes to Iraq. The infantry troops that are on the ground like him, they're supposed to fix it. And he realizes how difficult that's going to be because he's getting some very conflicting instructions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 959
So lawyers in the army who are giving a briefing to him and all the soldiers that he's arriving with tell him essentially, hey, look, the rules are very strict. You cannot fire on an Iraqi, even if you see them with a rocket launcher, unless that rocket launcher is actually pointed at you. On the other side is some of the leadership in his brigade.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 959
Combat commanders who are saying, you should expect to fire on pretty much any military-age male, and you don't even need to give warning shots. He's like, okay, we're just going to be really careful. We don't want to shoot anyone we don't need to, because that's just going to make us... so many more enemies in a war that we're trying to end.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 959
And so not only did he tell his soldiers, hey, we're not going to shoot unless we're sure, but he volunteered to be the first one through the door on raids they would go on because he didn't want to put that really difficult decision in the hands of some 21, 22-year-old soldier who might make a rash decision.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 959
And people who served with him that I interviewed say he was flawless, careful, cared about what he did, and his soldiers loved him for it.
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Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
Since January 20th, district courts have now issued 40 universal injunctions against the federal government, including 35 from the same five judicial districts. This is a bipartisan problem that has now spanned the last five presidential administrations. Universal injunctions exceed the judicial power granted in Article III, which exists only to address the injury to the complaining party.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
They transgress the traditional bounds of equitable authority, and they create a host of practical problems. Such injunctions prevent the percolation of novel and difficult legal questions. They encourage rampant forum shopping. They require judges to make rushed, high-stakes, low-information decisions.
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Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
We are not claiming that because we're conceding that there could be an inappropriate case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
We believe that the best reading of that is what you said in Trump against Hawaii, which is that Wurtz in 1963 was really the first universal injunction. There's a dispute about Perkins against Lukens Oil going back to 1940. And of course, we point to the court's opinion that reversed that universal injunction issued by the D.C. Circuit and said it's profoundly wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
So when the court is considered to address this, it is consistently said you have to limit the remedy to the plaintiffs appearing in court and complaining of that remedy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
That's exactly correct. And in fact, those are very limited, very rare. Even in the 1960s, it really exploded in 2007.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Comey's Post Targeting Trump, South African Refugees in Spotlight, SCOTUS Fireworks: AM Update 5/16
Percolation of novel, sensitive constitutional issues is a merit of our system. It is not a bad feature of the system.
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Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
So now the FBI's involved. They vacuum bagged the whole house. And if my DNA was in there, like from dead skin cells, I'd be charged. It wasn't in the house.
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Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah, they told me this.
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Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
They said I didn't have to, but I didn't anyway.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
They do these stories and People just trash my name. They totally trash my name. You know what I mean? I was involved with a lot of illegal activity back then.
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Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
So, I mean, if it's a kidnapping or, God forbid, a homicide, I don't care. I'm sticking my nose in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Not that night, but yeah, I was working in the neighborhood.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
People lie a lot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I think, I'm not positive, but I think I met Deborah at a bar one time, the local bar.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
It used to be called Bama's.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I would doubt it. I don't know. But if the police are being honest about her getting a phone call from one of the Irwin's phones, then somebody's connection is connected. That just kind of makes sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Whatever she wanted to hear. I didn't tell her I found those phones. I said I found phones that night, but I didn't find it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Oh, why? Because she's asking a million questions and I didn't want to make her happy, whatever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
And we didn't know if the phones were missing. I don't know if that's found to fix it. I have no clue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
You know what? The FBI asked me the same question. I'm like, the only thing I can come up with is to sell it to maybe somebody that can't have kids. You know, I mean, it sounds crazy, but I think that all of this, that's the best case scenario that could even happen. That kid is 11, now 13, in a school, you know, has a rich family, you know, something like that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I mean, that's the best case scenario.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. People, I don't see it happening. But not anything's possible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
You know what? I was thinking the Penriths have something to do with it, because they hired all these lawyers, high-priced death penalty lawyers. What was the other thing? No, the story just don't shower. She got drunk and fell asleep, woke up. Baby's not. Is that the salary?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. I don't know where I wasn't.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Would you tell me?
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Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Well, you're not, you're telling me this is fact, that, like, they get friction on the phone. But I don't believe it. Because I don't, I don't believe I ever possessed a phone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah. Did she? One of the theories is that she really wanted a family. She wanted a kid. That's not true. She never said that to you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Because I was scorned and on parole and I had a job to go do at the Watson's house. And she... Was that the one down the block? Yeah. She called the police, told her I was going to be working there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
That night. Oh. The night that we broke up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah. I broke up, and I never talked to her again after that. Maybe, I don't know, four or five months might have went by from when the baby was missing. No, no, until we broke up, until the baby left. I never, ever talked to her again.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I pulled up on the front lawn in a stolen van one time, but I didn't talk to her.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No, the investigator asked me not to. So the car was on fire.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No, it was the FBI in a homicide interrogation room. The detectives came to see me, actually to visit me in jail.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Yeah, it was pretty scary. Oh my God, in general?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I'm thinking that they're exploring all the avenues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
A little over an hour.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Not too long, maybe an hour.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No, because I was still on the run.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Dane? Yeah. I believe I met him a couple of times. Maybe we got high together. I don't know. I already made up a rap. Some lyrics in it that say, I'll make you disappear like me and Lisa. So I don't know. That was kind of weird.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Like I said, I only met him once or twice, and we weren't really friends, and we just, you know, I happened to have something, or he happened to have something, and that was it. Okay. Like we exchanged numbers or talked after that or anything.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I mean, he sounds familiar, but I can't put a...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I can't put a face to it. I don't recognize the name.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Absolutely not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
And I hate, I hate being a What are they referring me as? A link to this case. I don't want no involvement. I'm not involved. When you do a show, your viewers, you're actually giving your viewers an option. This person do it, and this person do it. This person do it, and this person do it. You see, I don't want to be with another person. I don't want some people to think, I don't want to do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Like I said, I really don't want to be part of this. If she don't have some information I can give you, that you can, you know, just run with it. Maybe find out what happened. But it's great. I don't want to be on TV. I don't want to do all that. You've got to respect that. You have to.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't have a guess on that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
How can Deborah have gotten rid of the baby's body without it being detected? You know, that's one of the things that keeps stumping me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I've never been there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Well, only for the Watson.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
He was older. His hands wouldn't work anymore because he had arthritis. So he needed me to do something. He gave me cloth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Um, that was days before, I believe. He said once the grass started growing, I didn't have to do anything. Oh. He said, once you start growing, you gotta keep growing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. It's the third time he asked me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. People lie. I don't know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Now I'm in the area. Now at first he said he was growing out of Earl's house.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Oh, seeing somebody carrying a baby, I didn't get all that about, fits my description type. See, this is, this is, you know, it's just weird because it's like, like I said, it's going to put in people's minds that I could have possibly had something going on. I don't know. I don't deserve it, you know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
100%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
You know, if I was to tell you, then you'd go there, and I'm not going to be that person that's... Yeah, that sends you something.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I have no clue. I should have no clue.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Cindy Short?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
And I told you, I told her that, but I wasn't being honest. I don't even know why I said it. Maybe I was still spun out. I don't know. I don't know why I said it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
That's not true.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I told her I had nothing to do with it. Just like I'm telling you right now. I had nothing to do with it. I don't know anything about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
You know what? There was a story about that Hurley's missing baby And we went through all this, and it was an hour long. And then I'm at the end, the very last person they speak about. So it kind of made me feel like the program was designed by somebody to make it appear that the story ends here with this guy. You see what I mean? And that bothered you greatly. It still bothers me to this day.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I haven't talked to them. I haven't talked to them to know about it. If you Google my name, they can find out. That sucks, too. That totally sucks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't have any involvement with you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Never saw it. Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I appreciate it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Not that I'm feeling guilty about anything, but just the fact that I feel I'm being put involved in something that I'm not involved in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Thank you. Say well. I hope you guys don't kick too much shit on me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I'd rather not because my lawyer told me not to talk to anybody. It could be a death penalty case. I don't want to have to sit in prison for five years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
What's happening? That's what I'm saying. None whatsoever. The FBI vacuumed out the house. It's my DNA. You have a million skin cells that go like that. They're going to bag it off and they're going to DNA it to me. And I'd be charged. We're going to die.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
No, nothing? Oh, why? So the listening audience knows.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
Well... You're not, you're telling me this is fact that my kid gets rich on the phone, but I don't believe it. I don't, I don't believe I ever possessed a phone.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. It's the third time he asked me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't know. People alive, I don't know. Now I'm in the area, I'm not forced to say it was on Harold's house.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
In fact, there was a witness that So he did know. He knew facts about this investigation in a way that I thought was pretty telling as well. But that was a great example of deception. He didn't say I wasn't there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I'm good.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
We have roosters.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I'd rather not because my lawyer told me not to talk to anybody. It could be a death penalty case. I don't want to have to sit in prison for five years and go to trial.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tanko Talks, Megyn's Hidden Camera Footage - Part 5 of Megyn Kelly Investigates: Baby Lisa's Disappearance | Ep. 1026
I don't have any of them. That's what I'm saying. None whatsoever. The FBI vacuumed out the house. It's my DNA. You have a million skin cells. You go like that, they're going to bag it up and they're going to DNA it to me. And I'd be charged. No doubt about it. What do you mean? Their story is, well, Debra's story is that some just random person came in the house and kicked out the police. Right?