Katy Perry

I feel super connected to love. So connected to love. I think this experience has shown me you never know how much love is inside of you, like how much love you have to give and how loved you are until the day you launch.

That's right.

Daisies are common flowers, but they grow through any condition. They grow through cement. They grow through cracks. They grow through walls. They are resilient. They are powerful. They are strong. They are everywhere. Flowers are, to me, God's smile, but it's also a reminder of our beautiful earth and the flowers here and God's smile and the beautiful magic that is everywhere everywhere.

all around us, and even in a simple daisy. So to really appreciate it and remember it and take care of it and protect it.

Katie! Woo! I feel super connected to love. So connected to love. I think this experience has shown me you never know how much love is inside of you, like how much love you have to give and how loved you are until the day you launch.

I feel super connected to love, so connected to love. I think this experience has shown me you never know how much love is inside of you, like how much love you have to give and how loved you are until the day you launch.

I hope they can see the unity that we modeled and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking up space, we were making space for the future. My journey has always been about love and belonging. And I think that we have all felt that sometimes we weren't worthy or we didn't belong in certain ways, no matter all the accolades, no matter all the studying, no matter anything.

And I think today we all said it like we belong here.

It's not about me. It's not about singing my songs. It's about a collective energy in there. It's about us. It's about making space for future women and taking up space and belonging.

I don't know if I can cry anymore. Daisies, sometimes people consider daisies weeds because they grow everywhere.

And through everything, and they show up.

In so many different places. But daisies are just so resilient. I know it. So resilient. And flowers for me, I believe, are like God's laughter and God's smile. And I brought a daisy because I have so much love for my daughter, Daisy. And I have so much love for Mother Earth.

See the beauty in the mother earth in a single resilient Daisy. That's why I brought it.

officially an astronaut thank you so much how do you feel i feel super connected to love so connected to love i think this experience has shown me you never know how much love is inside of you like how much love you have to give and how loved you are until the day you launch

It's like death.

Flowers for me, I believe, are like God's laughter and God's smile. And I brought a daisy because I have so much love for my daughter, Daisy, and I have so much love for Mother Earth.

I hope they can see the unity that we modeled and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking up space. We were making space for the future. 10 out of 10 review.

One, two, three. Taking off space! Woo!

I got you. Stuffed animals. I'm proud of you, Flynn.

That's amazing. Wow, look at the blue line. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's amazing.

40 and fucking fabulous.

40 and zero fucks.

Mm-hmm. Well, there's a zero in 40, so.

Yeah, exactly. Zero fuck 40. Mm-hmm.

Yes.

But yes, so I started at the farmer's market actually at 13. That's- It's so funny because like, I feel like I have told the story a thousand times, but you know, every day someone new is born and has no idea. And that's great.

And so I started out writing songs at 13, playing guitar at 13, singing at the farmer's market on a corner in Santa Barbara, opening my guitar case, basically busking for 20 bucks and a few avocados. Wow. And that was me every Saturday. And then.

And then church on Sunday. And then church on Sunday.

Yeah.

And so.

Sunday morning, Sunday night was the evening.

And then you moved to LA when you were 17.

That's right.

Well, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It came out when I was 16.

23. So I had three deals with different record labels. I was Sign and Drop, Sign and Drop. I was Couch Surfing. I was I had my car repossessed quite a few times. I was in it. I was in it. Yeah. And we still had physical CDs then. So I was always I always had a disc in my purse ready to go and like just ready to say yes to To all the opportunities that were coming my way.

Yeah.

fewer artists out there now there's so many incredible voices so many incredible songwriters and there probably always was it's just there there were different gatekeepers back then a hundred different time different industry yeah because now we have like with the streaming like anybody can just upload a song and put it onto streaming services yeah yeah and also like we have our social media and that's marketing in and of itself so it's you know you can do anything now yeah well honestly i don't know for how much longer we have social media for

No, it actually went off and it came back on.

But it's different now. Have you noticed it's different now?

It's always been different. I'm of the mind that like I would love to pull. This is look, here's the thing. There's a lot of good that comes from the Internet. Right. Social media. People have businesses there. People. have platforms, people have voices. There's so much good, but there definitely is, you know, duality to everything.

There's going to be a positive and a negative and feels like there's a lot of negative that has started to creep in and outweighing some of the positive. I'm like, I want to John Carpenter that shit and pull the fucking internet plug. Like you guys go touch, touch grass. Oh man.

Yeah. I really was excited to touch grass because honestly, like you obviously like, You were like back, like back then, like social media wasn't, I mean, you guys had my space.

Back in the day when we walked to school.

No, but literally like we.

When we took the horse and buggy.

But you guys didn't grow up on social media. So you like remember life. Like when I think of like my past five years since 2020, like. It all blends together. I don't know if that's just because I'm in my 20s.

I am going back on fucking tour I'm so fucking excited Live with Jake Shane It's a different tour than Therapus Live That's different Content's different. I am hitting so many places I didn't hit last time. Texas, Alabama, New Orleans. I'm so fucking excited, you guys. I'm so excited. I loved tour so much. I loved being on stage and like hearing you guys laugh in person was like serious.

Oh, my God. Your life is, there's so much expansion.

Really?

Oh, my God. I'm 40. When I was 25, I thought so differently. Just how much you grow, it's so true. The more you live, the better you get at living it.

How did you think when you were 25 as opposed to now?

Oh, I just think you know everything. But I will say that you haven't been kicked down the stairs of life yet.

I know.

Something will happen one day where you just get a big shove.

Right.

And that will teach you a lot. You learn through that. You learn through failing. But I will say what I was going to say is that I think people in their 20s are a lot smarter these days than 20 years ago. People in their 20s because they have access to information. And they have, you know, whatever information that is.

Scary.

Yeah. Like, keep it light. Bring that light. Bring that light. Oh, Dios mio. Yeah. Anyways, we're going on tour.

We are going on tour. I'm going on tour, too.

Is this your first?

No, it's my second.

Second tour. Okay. What was your first tour? What did that look like? What was on your rider?

Oh, my God. People would think it's so demanding. Me too, by the way. No, no, no. You go first. Okay. Me first, then you. Oh, my God. I can't believe I just said that to you. I'm so sorry.

You entitled Gen Z. You entitled... What's on your rider?

My rider... lesser evil popcorn right and Celsius Louise and the rest of my team puts Twizzlers on that's it that's it three things three things Celsius that's your pre-show I need to have this I need to just like eat the and then sometimes oh and then a Tito's so I can drink yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay yeah

Well, mine's a few more things. I would imagine. It's all healthy. Like, you know, people think it's rock and roll backstage. For us, it's like avocados and Himalayan salt and meditation.

What do you mean Himalayan salt? Like crystals?

No, like pink salt for your avocado. Oh. understand right right yeah but it's all very healthy right even though like if i pass a vending machine i will get a flaming hot cheetos oh always no doubt 100 but otherwise it's all very healthy i've got like apple cider vinegar bragg's apple cider vinegar there i've got all kinds of tinctures for my voice uh steamers and blah blah all that stuff

What is the most memorable show? Do you have a show that you played and you're like, I will never forget this night as long as I live?

I mean, I started out, my first tour was Warped Tour.

I was talking about that with someone literally two days ago.

Can you believe this sophisticated situation was crowd surfing? Let's roll the tape. Okay, we're back.

I don't know why I was talking about this, but someone was like, I think it was like... Angelina Jolie on my coffee. Chic. Chic. You look chic. You are chic. I think it was some trivia game I was playing. I hope it was printed on some cardboard. No, it was. That would be pretty iconic. They were quizzing me or something. What was Katy Perry's first tour? The Warped Tour.

And they were like, you wouldn't guess it, but you would. Once you hear it, you would get it. It's a punk rock tour. Yes.

I mean, one of the boys had like this alternative edge to it as well. I wrote most of it on guitar. And yeah, there's a clip of... It's so different. Now, when we go to concerts, everybody's filming, catching content. Yay. But like, if I were to crowd surf into the audience now, which I totally would and have in the past few months when I was... I was about to say, I think I've seen that.

Yeah, when I was doing some fun stuff for 143. I think I would just land on a bunch of phones.

All I need is within me right now. Literally right now.

You would? Yeah.

Yeah.

How does that feel? Like, like, do you miss touring when like not, I mean, of course you do when not everyone's phone was out and like, because it must be. No, this is just how people show their admiration now.

Like it literally like, and then meeting you guys every single night was the most incredible thing ever. I'm so, so, so excited to do it all over again, this time bigger and better and just I literally can't wait. I can't wait. I actually can't wait. I want it to be now. It's in a month. Okay. This is actually an important question because we had so much content from the last tour and like,

I mean, I get it. It's like, you can't like, this is just the, like, this is the world as it is now. Maybe it will swing in a different direction. Let's hope that like the age of Aquarius is truly here. I love that song. I know. I didn't understand it until I understood it.

I actually don't understand that at all.

Got to hit 40. You got to get pushed down the staircase of life. I won't survive that. Yeah, you will. But, you know, I love touring. Every tour has a world to it. I kind of I'm such a experiential person and I like I'm visually very like I learn through visuals. I love to give visuals. I love to do costumes. It's like it's like bringing Disneyland on tour.

I like people to go to this whole other world. I mean, I remember one of my own first tours actually was my third tour, California Dreams Tour. I was, we were, we made the whole arena smell like cotton candy. We had these fans, these bespoke fans, even the album, some of them smelled like cotton candy. Um, but then, yeah, girl work.

Um, at the end of the show, I brought my whipped cream bra out and it was, and I sprayed everyone in the front. I literally sprayed them all down and then I put confetti on top of that and people like walked out like zombies, like what just happened? But they loved it. You definitely can't do that now. Um,

Why? Because the phones?

Or just because... No, just like... Rules. Rules. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably... I probably... It was probably my fault, yeah. Yeah. You can only have certain confettis. You know, there's a very... There's a lot of specifications.

Right. I burped so many times today.

That Waken Lake. You got Waken Lake this morning? I got Waken Lake.

I love Waken Lake.

When I'm doing promo, I'm just like, give me a Waken Lake.

Give me a Waken Lake. Yeah. Have you, well, now it's just a breakfast burrito conversation for later.

Oh, we have a grid for breakfast burritos.

You do? Yeah, yeah. What's the grid look like?

About all over California.

Okay.

My whole team is all about it.

Well, you know, the best one is Cafe Los Feliz in Los Feliz.

What for you makes the best? Because I've got my answer, but you go.

Okay. So I like the eggs very well done. Extremely well done. Like dry. I hate. You don't like dry eggs? Not for me. I love the eggs well done. And then I like potatoes. I hate tater tots. I want like a roasted potato. I like a tot. Everyone does besides me. And then I like turkey bacon. And then I like mozzarella. And then I like jalapenos. And then I like it to be pressed.

Press tightly wrapped situation for sure. I want grill marks.

Yes.

Oh, I love a grill mark.

Well, how, what makes your breakfast?

Okay. I like eggs. Um, I like them medium. Uh, I don't want them runny. No way. No, how, uh, and what rice I want some cheddar cheese. I want some, yeah, rice.

I love rice.

Like orange rice. Um, and then I want, so I, we got rice, we got eggs, we got, I actually like some pork sausage.

Oh, I love pork sausage.

Love pork sausage. I want tomatoes, diced tomatoes. I want raw white onions. I am an onion and garlic. Raw onions? I like things raw. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I love it. Like when a house, when I walk into a house and it smells like garlic, I'm like, I'm home.

Oh no, for sure. That always is like a lovely smell, but like raw garlic.

feels a lot well it's not raw garlic in the breakfast burrito okay so we got rice we got sausage we got eggs um we got cheese we got tomatoes we got onions and i'll take the tots okay and i'll take any submissions for anywhere in the usa that has the best breakfast you should like when you go on uh this lifetime store you should try a breakfast burrito in every city okay

I never uploaded it. I never did anything with it. Cause I don't think I, I think I was so insecure in what you guys wanted to see. So please tell me what, what do you guys want to see from me on tour? Do you want to see like tour vlogs, bus vibes? Like what didn't you see last time that you want to see this time? Comment, live chat, message me, let me know because I will do it.

Right? I feel like that's a great vibe you can do. Wake up and bring your team.

Great. I'm going to figure something out for that. I think this is a great idea.

Did you like that idea? Yep. Dave Portnoy, this guy, does this one-bite pizza review, and he tries pizza from every single place in the country. One bite? And he does one bite, and he rates it.

That's an interesting angle. Find your niche, guys.

Right? It's so good. Well, fun fact, before I started to do the puss stuff, I was going to do one bite rice because I love white rice so much.

Subtle nuance in different white rice.

But then I realized like- Very niche. Octopus was like a tad more interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. And I would, that would be such an adventure trying to find different white rice.

I could tell you my favorite white rice ever in the world.

Okay, go.

Mamoya in New York.

Okay. No, you know what? I've known about you for a long time and I've seen a lot of stuff online on socials. So I already feel like I know you. Is that weird how social media does do that?

Like I'm so narcissistic that I don't think it's weird. Like, I love it. Wait, so we never talked about your favorite show of all time or like a show that changed your life.

Oh, like a concert.

Yeah. Like, like when you performed and you were like, that is the best show I've ever done.

Every show is unique. You know, I look, I had so much fun. I've had so much fun creating all of the shows. I brought a totally different world with play in Vegas. The world that I'm creating now for the Lifetimes Tour is going to incorporate this whole journey, this whole lifetime so far. And more timelines. So it's very sci-fi and it's always got a narrative, like a loose narrative in it.

And this one is just about finding the love, you know. And that was what the album was all about. It was a celebration of me finally finding the love.

right because smile came out like literally two days after i'd had uh daisy um and it was very hopeful that album um after being after going through a pretty a tough time but this album was really just about like all of the love that i ever lost came back to me and that's a song that's on the album called all the love which i will be playing on tour

Oh, is there any songs that you're so excited to play on tour besides All the Love?

Like...

Give them the hits and give them the costume changes, you know? If that's what they're kind of, like, used to with you. But, yeah, I'm going to play all the songs that everybody knows, and they're all going to have, like, you know, a dance vibe to them. It's a dance... It's a dance infused show because the last record had a lot more on that.

A lot more dance vibes and like Nirvana, you know, might have a little presence. But we have a lot of songs, a lot of ground to cover. Uh, you know, the show is going to be like an hour and 45 minutes. Yeah. There.

It's incredible.

And it's going to start at like eight 30. I used to start later.

How late would you start?

Nine, anywhere from nine, nine, five, nine 15 was like my sweet spot. But now as a mom, I realized I was, um, being rude.

Matt's coming back. Should we call him? Yes. Okay.

Oh, to like the other mothers in the audience. Oh, that's so interesting. So you like learned.

I learned through having a child.

Okay. What is it?

No, because like you don't understand if it's a, if it's an eight 30 show, everybody is, you know, maybe getting picked up in the party bus at like five 30 to go to a six 15 dinner and there's 10, you know, 12 year olds and everybody's changing their outfits. And then like you get, so your day has already, like you picked out your outfit. months before. Right. And you're counting down the days.

And that's also why I don't cancel. I don't care if I'm sick. I'm like, these people have had this in their plans forever. It means so much to them.

Right.

Um, and I don't, I don't take that for granted. So, uh, like by the time my show starts eight, eight 30, you know, and then like, you have to leave the venue. Some people live 30 minutes away. Some people live an hour away. Like, um, And if the show is on a Wednesday night and not a Friday or Saturday night, it's a whole different ballgame. You're going to school the next day.

Well, I'm just talking to the pussies about tour and I said Matt was coming back. Are you excited?

Right.

Or you're a little tipsy. Because there's going to be adult beverages at Club 143.

Tell me about Club 143. Okay.

Club 143 is like a super special VVVIP situation that is going to be very close to the middle part of the infinity on both sides. When there's a bar? A bartender, yeah, on both sides.

And it's going to have a lot of space for people to dance. Please bring appropriate footwear, chunky boot, platform, tennis shoe, things like that. Whatever you want to do, honestly. However you can feel free to get into it. But it will be fun. And like the Infinity Pit, which is closest to the front stage, is a big deal too. But I'm going to do my best to...

visit a lot of different spaces in those arenas.

Oh, like you're going to make your way around. Oh, that's going to be awesome.

You will feel close to me at one point in the evening. Everyone will feel close.

Was that something that was important to you as like throughout your career you were doing like bigger and bigger venues and like you would have to like, it would be harder to connect with people farther away from the stage?

Yeah, but that's why you just build something unique so that you can access people and I look people in the eye. I like to really lock for a second and sing to them and just turn something on in them and make them feel again. Music is so powerful because it opens us up to feeling emotions again. Emotions are the things that show us who we are and what we need to heal. They move us.

They make us human. They do make us human.

E-motion. We're moving in motion. Oh! I didn't even think about that.

Oh, my God! E-motion.

Yeah. We need to be in the flow, in the motion.

Pussies, you know what time it is. It's cuffing season. It's January. And as you all know, last year, 2024, I said, if I end this year without a boyfriend... I am turning to religion. And, you know, maybe I am not in a relationship because I am a liar because I did not turn to religion. What I did turn to, though, was Tinder. And the vibes on Tinder are just incredible. Incredible.

Yes, Matt. Like,

I love looking for love, and I love when love finds me. With Tinder, you know, it all starts with a swipe. Swipe right for yes, swipe left for no. And it's almost like the rest after that is history. As you pussies know, like I'm in my fucking dating era as I have been for years. But Tinder is really, really, really here to help.

It's really helped me a lot with going on more dates, honestly, which is the worst part of dating is you got to just keep doing it and doing it and doing it until you find someone that you really like. And Tinder doesn't give up on you. Relationships might, but Tinder doesn't. Thank you, Tinder, for sponsoring today's episode.

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Are you excited to, what are you most excited to do?

Do you have any music that has changed your life in the ways that you hope that your music will change others? Any songs that stand out?

My whole world exploded when I discovered Queen. And then it exploded again when I discovered the Beach Boys. And then it exploded again when I discovered Alanis Morissette. Um, and you know, I'm still like, I'm such an avid listener of new artists. Um, and I always have brought new artists. I've brought everyone on tour.

Casey Musgraves, Marina and the Diamonds, Charlie XCX back in the day, everyone, Janelle Monae, all of it, Ellie Goulding, all of it. Um, i love new females um i like to champion their them and their music and um so i'm always listening to new stuff but um when it started it was queen it was beach boys it was alanis morissette it was like i mean no doubt

you feel like kind of like, you're like the Teenage Dream album is like kind of like an ode to like some of those people, like Beach Boys, Alanis Morissette, meet each other and like have a party on the beach.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was definitely like always inspired by them. Yeah. And they're, you know, the lyrics of Freddie Mercury were so like, they slapped me across the face, you know, just the, the...

the uh cunt yeah you know it is yeah and just like just so unapologetic and just like truth telling and also so beautiful there was so much beauty in um his lyrics and then you know the beach boys the sounds the harmonics were like so psychedelic in and of itself and then when i'm when i listen to jagged little pill for the very first time from alanis morissette i was like oh We can say this.

Are you being sarcastic?

Right. And also we can be complex and we can contradict ourself and we can be so many different things. We're not just one thing. And a woman is so many things. And, you know, so she really schooled me on what a like a modern woman's brain looks like.

And then I assume you've eventually gotten to meet her. What was like that first meeting like when you met Alanis for the first time?

Well, she's great. I mean, she's, you know, she is on the path. She's so much a seeker and on a spiritual journey. And she's always had that. Like you can tell like some of her lyrics. not some, all of her messages are layered.

Right.

You could be on the surface and just enjoying it or if you want to dig deeper, there's a lot more meaning. So she's a super seeker and someone I look up to, you know, and she's done a lot of work on herself and you can tell.

I really can't tell if you're kidding or not right now.

Yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome. I love that album. Do you have, speaking of lyrics, do you have like a favorite lyric of yours of all time?

Mine? Yeah. I don't know if I have a favorite lyric. of all time i really enjoy the lyrics that i've written um i really love what's probably the most meaningful song to me on the new record on 143 is all the love um and just because that song is just about like finding all of that unconditional love that everybody talks about that's so cliche You know, it's really... That's it.

Like, procreation, there's something magical about it if you decide to do it. It's pretty magical. And for me, it was... Not for everyone, but for me, it really was. And it healed all of the things. And it was... It was everything I was looking for. I had climbed so many mountains and seen so many views. And at a certain point, I got a little, you know, desensitized to the views.

Because the highs weren't as high anymore.

Right.

And then when I had my daughter, it was like, oh, no, this is it. Yeah.

What are you least excited about to be with me for an extended period of time?

Yeah. What did you, like, really learn, like, after having a kid for the first time?

Um, what I really learned, oh, I learned a lot. And then I also prepared myself by just doing a lot of kind of heart and mental work and the therapies and things like that, um, just to lay the foundation. Um, but what I really learned was, um, love is, love is free. And love is not transactional.

And love isn't about who you are, how much money you make, what you give, what songs, yada, yada, yada. Like, love is free. Love is a look when you come home. It's just like, it's a connection. And, you know, it's there for everyone. And for me, I got it through my daughter. And I also wrote Lifetimes about her because...

What city are you most excited for?

I tell her every night, usually I'm like, well, you find me in every lifetime.

You do? Every time.

And she's like, last night she said, no.

Are you serious?

For the first time. And then she was like, yes. I think it's based on, I think it's based on like, there's a Black Mirror episode.

I love Black Mirror. Which one?

I think it's the one where like people are on that dating game app.

Wait, is that San Junipero? No, no, no, no, no. I don't know if it's called that. It's the one where it's the one, it's the percentage one. Yes, it's the percentage one. Yes, it's the percentage one.

That one rocked my world.

What happens at the end? Spoiler alert, sorry, but what's like the.

It's like she like, she like breaks through the system to like.

Right, but like what's the, oh.

It's like an unrequited love thing.

Right, yes.

And that, that, that rocked me so much. And like. I really feel like your soulmate can come in so many different ways. It could be your dog. You know, you have the deepest connection. And I thought, oh, my God, how could I love anything more than Nugget?

Right.

Ten years old. And then all of a sudden, like a hundred times more, a thousand times more with my daughter. But, yeah, she's definitely one of my soulmates.

What?

That's beautiful.

She found me. She found me.

She did find you. You found her.

And I, well, no, she found me. She definitely found me. But I, but I called her in. I called her in. I was ready. I was super intentional and super ready for it. So a lot of the album has all of that feeling of love and, um, And like this kind of grounded feminine divine, this powerful connection with that fucking root chakra. Just like, just, it's sexy. It's fun. It's really loving.

Oh, you love Atlantic City. We're going to Atlantic City, by the way.

It's got a lot of little stories in it if you want to dive deep into it.

I do. Yeah. Oh my God, that's. Beautiful. I can't believe you tell her every night, will you find me in every lifetime? That's so beautiful. Do you, like, say it before putting her to bed?

Yeah. When we're in bed, yeah.

How did that start?

We actually sleep together, so.

You do?

I do, yeah. I know. I know everybody was going to leave their comment now.

No, no. I think that's beautiful.

Leave your comment.

Everyone parents in a different way. How old is she now?

four but i you know i've seen some really cool things about it about the attachment and like kids are going through so much and like if she has a bad dream and she wakes up and mom is right there it's just there's no better feeling like waking up with your child there and they're like breathing on you you're like

Like when you first fall in love with someone, you literally want to sit, you want to lay underneath their breath, their nose. You know, it's like the oxytocin.

I've never been in love.

Oh.

Isn't that horrible?

One day.

I've never had a boyfriend and I've never been in love.

Well, one day when it happens, you might remember this feeling. There's this feeling called oxytocin that comes over you in the honeymoon stage most definitely where like you just want to like, you want to eat this person up. I mean, for me, like I want to like just breathe. I mean, it's like, and with your child, it's that, and it never ends. It never ends. It's amazing.

All right, well, Matt, tell the pussies you're so excited.

But also like, you know, it's the biggest challenge of your life as well. Like, Your kids are sent to you to teach you a lesson. All the things that you need to learn. They're like, hey, brought my books. Let's go. Go to work.

What lessons do you feel like Daisy has taught you? Presence.

A lot of presence. A lot of presence and a lot of self-control with the way I respond to her because she's super strong-willed. When's her birthday? She's a Virgo, and she's August 26th.

Oh, so she likes control. Scorpio and Virgos are interesting together.

Tell me that now.

Scorpios and Virgos, because Scorpios have their way of doing things, and then I feel like the Virgo comes in and is like, this is the way. You are wrong. I am correct in this way that we're going about it.

What?

Right, right, right. So yeah, she's definitely strong-willed like that.

Yeah.

Yeah, and she's not an introvert. She is an extrovert. I mean, her parents are both extroverts, so that's the template she knows. So she is something else. She's dynamite.

Oh, my God. That's beautiful. Thanks. That's really beautiful.

And she'll be touring the world this year.

No, it's Tuesday.

Oh, she's going to come with you on tour?

A lot of it. I mean, until she goes to school, but she's going to see a lot.

That's such a cool.

So I will also take any submissions on, like, the best things to do for kids that are, like, five. Bring it. Come on. I love a water park. I don't care.

Okay, love you, Matt. So rude. VIP presale is today, the 29th, and general on sale is Friday, the 31st. I am so, so excited to see you guys again. We are going to have the best fucking time. Also, what did you guys think of that video? Connor is in it because... Connor will be opening for me on 12 of my shows. I am so, so excited to hit the road with him.

I love a water park.

I love a lazy river. I don't care how chlorinated that water is or how many times.

No.

Like, I don't care.

Do you know the shit that we used to, like, we used to drink out of, like, cups with lead in them? See? We're fine. That doesn't have lead. Not anymore. Fine.

We're all breathing tons of microplastics. Just let it ride.

Oh, my God. Literally speaking of. But I meant to ask you, when you said you were talking about you love supporting up-and-coming female artists, you have a collab on 143 with Dochi.

That's right.

And she is having the moment of all moments right now. What's it like working with her? How is she as an artist? Yeah.

She's so cool because she like when I went when she came to the studio, it was amazing. I didn't even know it was her. She was like it looks like she was running errands.

Yeah.

No makeup. Totally chill. No big deal. You know, headphones and like athleisure and like not like no ego, which was amazing. Yeah. Cause she's already, she already did so much before we got to collab together. And I was such, I was already such a fan and had so much respect for her and her vision, which is just like a, it is like an, it is like an arrow.

It is like, I mean, it just shoots straight through you. You can't, You can't look away. It's amazing. And it's potent. And what she's saying is a real she you know, she got that shout out by Kendrick because I do think like Kendrick sees. I don't want to put words into his mouth, but like for me, she gives me that female version of like the truth teller that Kendrick is.

And like, so, and then we got to collab on the VMAs, which was amazing. And she got to come into my world and see it. And she just asked me a bunch of questions. She's super curious. She's so freaking smart. She's so smart. And she was born that way. And she's just flipping it all right now. She's just flipping it all on its head right now.

Right.

And I'm excited for... because she's got a lot to say. And she wants to evolve as a human and she wants to do the inner work as well, which is so dope because that's going to make her art just even more truthful and resonate and connect even more.

She's so dope.

You're a dope girl.

You are also performing at the January 30th Fire Aid concert for California's Wildfire Relief. Tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow.

The sun will come out tomorrow. That's a different key.

Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow. Tell me a little bit about it. Were you impacted by these fires at all? Did you know people that were impacted by the fires?

Yeah, I feel like anyone that lives in California knows directly or indirectly. I wasn't personally impacted, but I have a lot of friends and some of them lost their homes. But doing fire aid is a way that, you know, artists like myself can do a little part and raise funds, raise awareness in this whole thing, which actually like the aftermath and the community and

I am so inspired by the people of California, especially like the community, how they came together, how they organized what they've done so far. The GoFundMe is just the boots, boots on the ground. You know, the Altadena girls, Altadena boys, like all of that is so inspiring. That is a movement. It's like power to the people.

Like this is evidence that community sometimes is better, faster, faster.

government and i and i feel like it's like such a fuck you to anyone that thinks like people in california are the most like callous shallow people ever and it's like we got heart yes we have so much soul there's so much soul soul that's being shown right now and there's so much community and and weird this weird connection but of course it's like

This is absolutely devastating. Even watching it unfold, unimaginable. So like, you know, it's obviously when, when someone says we're doing a benefit, do you want to be a part of it? Yes. I don't care who's doing, I would do it on the street corner.

Right.

Just like, how can I help? Yes. I'm in.

Where were you when the fires broke out?

I was, I live in Santa Barbara, so I was in Santa Barbara, and I've had, I've had a lot of, I've had the opportunity to help a lot of people come through, so. They all just actually came back.

Yeah.

Some of them couldn't come back, but it's pretty wild. There's a lot that we'll learn from all of this and hopefully apply. Yeah. Infrastructurally. Yeah. And, you know, this is California's thing in a weird way. Every... every place in the world has their thing and you know, it's only going to get more interesting if we keep ignoring climate change, climate change. Yeah. So, uh, there's that.

He's going to live on the bus with us and Matt and it's going to be awesome. Connor is one of My favorite people in the entire world. I think he's one of the funniest people in the entire world. And I'm so excited for him to hang out and perform on stage. Once again, VIP presale went live today. PassThatPuss.com. And general on sale is this Friday, the 31st. PassThatPuss.com. Love you, pussies.

Yeah.

Um, but yeah, it, it, you know, even in Santa Barbara, we've had like, it was like seven years to the date we had mudslides. So like, you know, it's not that we're, we're the lucky ones by any means. It just... It's just the thing that California has. So...

We will recover and we will recover way stronger.

Yes, we will recover and we will learn and we will apply and we will take care of our community and we will feel connection from this as well, which is something I think we're all desperate to do.

Yeah.

The reason why social media was even invented was to connect more.

It's so funny and it feels like that was the reason it was created. And somehow, some way, I feel so much less connected to people than I ever have because of it.

Yeah, it turned. It turned.

It's crazy because I connect with the pussies and my audience and everyone via that way. But there is nothing like that in-person connection. So that's why.

Well, maybe the pendulum is then shifting. People are realizing what is authentic, what is real. Yeah. And having those experiences and remembering what's important, which is good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, if you want to see Katie and others perform, you can stream the Fire Aid concert at the Intuit Dome tomorrow night, January 30th.

Also, we're going on the Lifetimes Tour, and tickets will be on sale Friday, January 31st.

Boop.

Cheers. Boop. With our feet.

Cheers.

Toes. Wee, I love you. Before I let you go, we have to do the tell me what's wrongs. The pussies submit things that are wrong and we give them advice. Oh, I love this. Yes, yes. And we prescribe them things. Right. I think my boyfriend is secretly bald. We've been talking for a few months and just started dating officially last week, but this man won't take off his hat. We have sex. Beanie is on.

Sleeping. Beanie is on. Literally. Hot. Always on. You like that?

Well, I mean, no, but I don't know how else to respond. I feel like if you can like share your genitalia with someone, you should be able to take his beanie off.

Take his beanie off. Yeah. I think he might be bald.

I think he's going to be bald. And are you okay with that? I feel like. Why don't you go hat shopping together? Yeah. I'm prescribing that. Let's go hat shopping because he's going to have to switch hats.

Yes.

Yeah. And just happen to go like on one of those fun, cool little hat stores, like in a downtown somewhere that has like a fudgery as well.

Yeah. And I think it's so fine if he's bald. Like I, my dad's bald.

A lot of dads are.

Yeah, a lot of dads are.

But it's okay. It's okay. Is this person, do you think this person is a hetero relationship or?

They didn't clarify.

Right.

I brought a friend home with me during fall break and paid for all her travel expenses, thinking she was going to pay me back because she said she would. But three months later, she avoids me at every cost.

Well, was it explicitly talked about? Like, I've got you, you can pay me? Or was there an assumption? Because you know what word is in the word assumption?

Assume.

An ass.

Okay.

An ass of you and me.

Yes. Okay.

You made an ass of you and me.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh, my God. I love that. Yeah. I didn't even think about that.

Yeah.

Whoa. Assumption is tough.

Oh, yeah. I can do this. It's the broken doll.

That's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

Yeah. It's, you know, it's something I learned. Well, something I taught myself to do when I was in the hair and makeup chair because I was watching all of it.

And you were just...

Yeah, it's like, okay, you're going to work on this eye. I'm going to watch you cut that.

Oh. Yeah. Oh, so you learn that later in life.

Yeah. I think what it is is that like some of it unfortunately could be on the person if they were just assuming as much because some people are just generous people, you know? Yeah. And you want their company and it's like, I got you. Don't worry. Come out. I got you. Don't worry about anything. I got you.

But you have to be like, okay, well, you have to have those uncomfortable conversations and be like, okay, I'll spot you. Right. Instead of I got you, I'll spot you.

And now, without further ado, California puss, we're unforgettable. Daisy Duke's bikinis on tense. Today we have... Like, I don't even know how to introduce her because... What introduction does she need? Today we have the one, the only, Katy Perry on Therapist, which is a sentence I never thought would leave my mouth, but I'm so grateful that it just has.

Right. Use that verbiage. Unfortunately, it feels like in this case, you're kind of going to have to live and learn with it. And next time.

Unless there was dialogue about paying back. And in that way, you should be like, You should just be honest with the person and send them a text and say, I really enjoyed having fun with you. I'm a little disappointed that, you know, you haven't been able to pay me back. Is everything okay? Will you be able to pay me back? What should I expect?

This friendship is more valuable to me than, you know, a couple hundred dollars, a thousand dollars or whatever, if it is, if those things are all true for you.

A hundred percent. I would actually prescribe, do you watch Real Housewives? Mm-mm. I have a child. I know. But... I'm tired. I'm telling you.

After, like, being the matriarch and the mother, I'm tired.

I'm telling you.

I get it. I get some... You know, I see some things. I have iconic memes that have been used.

It's just... Okay, so how does it relate? Because these women... constantly figure stuff out like this. There's always an issue where a housewife hasn't paid this other housewife back. Like in the real housewives of Beverly Hills, I want to say there was a charity dinner and Sutton accused, maybe I think it was Lisa Rinna of not paying for her seat or whatever.

And then they have these conversations and they're awkward, but like the conversations are important to have be had. And Don't have them like the Real Housewives do because they will bitch each other out and sometimes throw things.

And that will give us content.

Yes.

And then we speak brain rot.

But yes. But the Housewives does show you how to have like a pretty transparent conversation.

So they are your examples. They're your archetypes. They're your leaders.

They are my everything. I can't even begin to tell you how important the Real Housewives is to me.

Cool.

It's Marvel for gay people.

Yes. Actually, thank you for putting it in that frame.

Yes. It is Marvel for gay people.

great yeah my friend got a new boyfriend and now she thinks that i want him so she's distancing herself from me how do i tell her i don't want him without sounding defensive i don't want him it's not that deep it sounds like the friend is a little insecure in the relationship and this is like a relationship problem that she's projecting onto you right right right right right yes they do seem a little insecure um i i do think you can again you can be honest with like

You can you can just say, is there something weird that's happening between us? Because I'd like to resolve that. Right. Can we have a conversation about this? You know, whatever. And. Yeah, I think you just be honesty is the best policy. Just be honest. So like, don't be like, don't come out of the blue and be like, I don't want your boyfriend. I don't want to fuck your boyfriend.

Right.

Be like, what's going on here? I'm picking up on this vibration.

You have incredible communication skills. Has anyone ever told you that?

Thank you. I've done a lot of therapy.

No, like incredible.

I don't know. I'm here to be a communicator.

Well, you're very good at it.

Thank you. Do you guys say poussois?

No, but I like poussois. Have you ever said it? Where is that from?

Like poussois. Instead of like, you know, you have so many variations on pussy, pussies. I'd like to add poussois.

Ah, you've never seen Tell Me Lies, have you? Tell Me Lies, they say poussois, don't they? Poussois.

Girl. A poussois. You haven't?

I was with a guy for a while and then he said he needed space, so I gave him it. It's been nine months and he's dating a new girl. Do I ask for the closure I need?

If he needed space, you could probably buy him a ticket to space coming up in the next 10 years.

Yeah.

Well, no. He just revealed himself.

Yeah.

Like maybe he did need space to think about it and he like then did not communicate his feelings. He's probably maybe a little emotionally immature to do so. But he showed you. He showed you. Do you not understand how many fish there are in the fucking sea? There's 8 billion.

Yeah. Yeah.

Puss. Puss. Puss.

Puss. Puss.

Puss. So, yeah, I mean, he did you a favor of sorts. I know that's heartbreaking. But, like, there's a lot out there in the world. And people really just want to be loved, too. So, like, people are looking for love.

She was so fun to talk to, as you would imagine. She just announced her Lifetime's tour. Tickets go on sale January 31st. She is coming all over the U.S. It's going to be incredible. She's also performing at the Intuit Dome Fire Aid concert tomorrow with all proceeds going towards the California Wildfire Relief. And yeah, I don't really know what else to tell you. It's Katy Perry.

They are.

They are looking for love. But, yes. space he just sounds emotionally immature as most people are yeah and i i we all are yeah in our own ways we all have our things well katie i love you so much it's so nice to sit with you it was so nice to sit with you i'm still like freaking out about it but we're close now so we are close now like we'll see each other and then we'll be like hey

Wait, we will? How cool is that for me?

And then, yeah. Katie will be going on the Lifetimes Tour beginning in April. Tickets are on sale January 31st.

Yes, that's soon.

Very soon.

You better get them while they're hot because all the other territories sold out.

Australia sold out. Mexico sold out. Europe sold out. UK sold out. South America sold out.

this is it this is the last these are the last shows i am announcing i waited to announce america at the very end because it's my you know it's very special to me so i wanted to route it very specially and i'm so excited to see america and all of its beauty um on this tour well i'm so excited to see it as well okay good which one are you gonna come to la new york

LA. Okay. I want to fucking see California girls in California.

Great. Done.

I want that.

Sold out.

I love you. Love you. Love you, Katie.

Thank you. I can't believe I get to see everyone last time. Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies.

You know, she doesn't need an introduction. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. We can say pussies. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yes. We can say pussies. We can say pussies. And pussy. And pussy. We can say it. And puss. Pussy. Our next guest needs quite literally no interrupt. I'm so nervous, Katie. I'm going to fucking puke. I have a pussy.

I know you're going to ask me questions, but I would like to ask you a couple of questions. All of your listeners know everything about you. I have not done the deepest dive. I know we're talking about Octo... Puss.

Has anybody seen Jake? Anybody?

Right. Yes.

And you guys are called the pussies.

Yes.

But like, what is it? Just give me the one liner about the octopus.

Okay. So I was really bored my senior year. Yeah. So I actually used to work at a record label. Right, right, right. And I was on like a hiatus from my internship to full time. So I like was super creatively unfulfilled. And at the time, I would just eat a lot of octopus out with my friend Drew.

Calamari.

That's squid. That's puss cousin.

Puss cousin. Oh, my God. You are a teacher. PC.

PC.

Whoa, squid. That's squid.

That is squid.

It's not octopus.

Which was the word all yesterday. And I ain't got it.

Oh my God, you're not real. Yeah, right? You're a fraud. Wait, hold on. I'm just, everything's connecting right now. Squid is calamari and octopus is like, they serve it. When they serve it, they serve the tentacle.

Where's Jake? I don't know.

So you can serve puss a myriad of different ways.

Myriad.

So you can serve it raw.

Yeah.

So that's like I call raw puss and that's like puss sashimi or puss nigiri. Have you ever had raw puss? So many times. I don't discriminate.

Great.

And then you can serve it grilled.

So you're actually a fan of this?

Oh, wait. I used to eat this every single... And I don't eat it as much anymore just because like... I'm busy. I'm like, I'm sorry.

You've made friends with it.

Yes. I've started to make friends with them, which is like a little awkward.

And they're so intelligent. I mean, all animals are intelligent and I know like blood type and all this stuff. And you know, we're so used to eating meat, but we definitely probably shouldn't be. But you know, can I get a scream in the back? No scream. From my vegan friends in the back.

Oh, are they all vegan?

My dad's vegan. One of them is. But I, yeah, I don't know. I just think so much about them and I've heard so much.

So.

But I can't believe I just thought squid and octopus were the same.

It's octopus. They have eight tentacles. I don't know how many squid have, but that's like my whole thing with eight. But so I started.

Eight's great.

Yes.

You know that. Can I just get into it? I'm going on tour.

Please.

We're here because we're about to talk about the Lifetimes Tour.

Which is coming to the U.S.

And I'm going to be touring from April to November. But speaking of eight, we will eat on tour. But eight, if you turn it on its side, it's the infinity symbol.

yes and infinity means god it's just like forever never ending you know and my tour stage the um thrust of it the one the thing that goes out to the audience is an infinity symbol so we have two pits actually one's called the infinity uh pit and one's called the eternity pit and um yeah eight wait i love that i love eight eight's great eight's a it's an even last year was an eight year 2024.

Yeah.

It was.

Yeah.

How did I never do anything with that?

Yeah.

I don't capitalize enough.

This year, not so much.

This year is 2020 part two.

No, this year is a nine number.

Things are changing. Things are bad. This is 2020 part two. We were just talking about. It's different. Yeah. It's different. But you were telling me and we said we'd save it for the podcast. You love touring. Yeah.

I do love touring.

Which is so funny because I've had so many artists come on here that are like, it is literally my worst nightmare. So can you tell me why you love touring so much?

Oh my God, where have you been? I've been looking everywhere for you. Where have you been?

Well, I love connecting with people. And I get to meet all these people and get to reconnect with all of these people that I've been on this lifelong journey with over like 17 years we've been doing this together. And we've all grown up together. Like I have a child now. Some of them have their...

own careers and families and they're still coming to the shows and i still get to see them and meet them and um they're still um loving the music and using it as the soundtrack to their lives right it's meaningful for them um it'll be almost eight years before um since i've been on tour the last time i was on tour was the witness tour right i had short hair um it was like ended 2017 2018 and

and um then covid happened and after covid i had a baby i was raising a whole human that i'm trying not to get wrong um so i was really dedicated to that um because if not that song is one of my favorite songs of all time which one daisy oh thank you that's one of hers that's i i know it has nothing to do with her actually means like something completely opposite but she loves that song Yeah.

I thought that was about her. No, you're never going to change me until you cover me in daisies. So like when people throw daisies at a casket, you know, like there's no changing me until I lose control over my body.

Well, I fucking love that song.

Thank you.

It's literally amazing. I love it too.

It means a lot.

Yeah.

But I love touring because I also use it as an opportunity to educate myself on the world.

Right.

And especially like the US, everything has changed in the past eight years. And I'm just really excited to go and see people. I'm asking for all kinds of advice on where I should be eating, having a drink. You know, what cultural moment I should see. Should I do this? So, like, all submissions, please send them to me because I like to eat my way around the world.

Me too. Yeah. Me too. Do you have a favorite cuisine?

Well, I mean, it depends. Like, maybe Italian.

Okay. Yeah. Mine's Japanese.

I mean, I love Japanese, but I'm a little bit of a pussy.

Mm-hmm. You can say it.

I did not grow.

up with uh eating a lot of seafood like that wasn't a part of my regular diet so i was like a i was like a frozen fish sticks kind of family um so you know to get to the nigiri is is it's a lot this sashimi is you know it's i'm doing it but i'm still not like oh give me that fucking sea urchin right lay it on me like it all it takes in my opinion is like one like i used to hate martinis because i hate olives

Oh.

I know. Why do we hate anything? Oh, I hate everything. Everything. I hate everything. I hate a Scorpio.

You don't hate anything? I don't hate anything.

Come on.

Here's the thing. I hate, this is actually, you're right. I hate injustice. Yes. I hate discrimination of any kind. I'm really disappointed with the lack of awareness that's going on in the world, especially where we're at. I'm like, is What the fuck is going on?

No, it's a disaster.

We're living in this?

But if we can get through it the first time, I think we can hopefully get through it this time. I like the hopefulness.

But there's some different rules this time. For some reason, this time seems so much worse. Well, there's nothing to lose, you know?

Yeah.

Buckle up.

Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a disaster.

Anyways, back to the lifetimes tour, which we will be doing this year. And you know, we are going to have a lot of fun, a lot of joy, a lot of light. I, um, I'm just, look, love it or hate it, I want to bring the light. I want to represent love. I want to represent connection. I want to bring that.

I want to... I think when everybody gets under the same roof and is singing the same song, like, you know it. You go to a concert, you turn to the stranger, you don't even know them from Adam, and you're, like, singing... You're getting down with these lyrics and you don't know them. You would not even say hello to them at the coffee shop.

But for some reason, you're giving them stank face, singing this song, grinding on them. And that is connection in a weird way. And we have that with sports. We have that with church and stuff like that. But some of those things feel like those numbers are dwindling. And so I'm just so...

grateful to be a part of something that fosters connection and community which is going on tour and music is I feel like the ultimate connector like beyond languages beyond everything sixth sense and so what number tour is this for you because you've been touring so you gosh you came to LA when you were 17 17 I started coming to Los Angeles yes and so when did you start actually I moved here yeah doing shows

I started doing open mics when I was 13, 14, but really started getting into it when I was 16. But I went to Nashville and made a gospel record when I was 13. I started singing when I was 9. I'm 40. 40 and fabulous.