Stacey Evans
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Out there, it's dark.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And I'm so proud of us. I really am proud of me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
It just says to me, if I can do this, I was telling these guys, I might even now get my ears pierced. I've never gotten my ears pierced because that hurts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Please don't call it a ride. That is not a frigging ride. Whenever a man goes up, you have never said to an astronaut, boy, what a ride. You know, we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepard did back in the day, pretty much. No one called it a ride. It was called a flight. It was called a journey. Because a ride implies that it's something frivolous or something that's lighthearted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
There was nothing frivolous about what we did and the machine that we were on. And what it took for the people to get that machine up and running to get us up and get us back down safely. So, you know, I'm very disappointed and very saddened by it. And I also say this, the what it's doing to inspire other women and young girls, please don't ignore that. I'm inspirational.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
So many women and young girls reach out to me and men, too, by the way, men, too, that say, wow, I never thought I could do that. But I see you doing it at this stage of my life. Who would have thunk it? Not me. And how inspired they are.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Katy Perry with her daisy. I got you, Flynn.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
I know you so much for having me and sharing the story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
I didn't. I definitely thought in my mind this could hurt me politically. And in fact, I had some attacks. You proclaim to be this progressive champion. How could you defend this man, this doctor?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And I said, well, it's very easy because he didn't do these terrible things that the media is claiming that he did, that MSNBC is claiming that he did, that this alleged whistleblower is claiming that he did. And for me, whether it's a Democratic-leading media or Republican-leading media, you've got to tell the truth. I mean, the media is a very important part of our
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
our systems of government really. And they need to get it right. And so it's my job. I feel like as a defamation lawyer to hold anyone accountable, who's not telling the truth, whether that's the network I watch or, or another network.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Well, they called Dr. Amin a uterus collector. They said that Dr. Amin performed mass hysterectomies, high number of hysterectomies, and that they were unnecessary and that they were unconsented to. None of those things are true.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And the court even found in her summary judgment order, Judge Wood of the Southern District of Georgia, found in a 108-page order, very clearly there is no evidence of mass hysterectomies, no evidence of high numbers of hysterectomies, and no evidence that Dr. Amin is a uterus collector, and also relayed information to make clear that Don Wooten was not telling the truth and MSNBC was not telling the truth to repeat it when she said all these detainees called Dr. Amin
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
the uterus collector. I took deposition after deposition after deposition of women who had been formerly detained at Irwin County Detention Center and others who had been there. And no one heard him be called the uterus collector until after MSNBC's news reports, which the detainees obviously had access to watching television like any of us. But no one
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
admitted to ever using that phrase, and no one even heard it until after the report. So MSNBC took these allegations, which were salacious, and it was right in the middle of an election year. We were six weeks before the 2020 election, and they ran with it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And they tried to tie Dr. Amin, an immigrant himself, to what they portrayed as terrible, atrocious things that were happening to immigrants during the Trump administration. And and I and others agree, in the child separation policies, there were these administrators who were tracking menstrual cycles of women.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Rachel Maddow said that Dr. Amin, my client, a man who's been practicing medicine for over 35 years, devoted himself to these underserved areas, took on these cases of the detainees because he knew no one else would do it. For most of his career, he's been The only or one of only a few OBGYNs in a very wide radius in a rural part of South Georgia.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
So they said this man, my client, Dr. Amin, one of the most gentle people you'll ever meet, was the next chapter in this saga of immigration abuse that's happening in our country. Again, an immigrant himself.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
tied him to that without not only not looking as deep as they needed to, but the surface level that they did look into told them that these allegations from this alleged whistleblower were not corroborated. They had. Let me stop you there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Well, there were some earlier sort of lesser known print, maybe online publications that were talking about the story in general. But it was MSNBC that first named Dr. Amin. And they were proud of that. They said, we broke the story. We got his name and we told everyone. They were very proud of that. And then they were the only broadcast media to run with the story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And they did it again in the face of on the same day that they were up reporting, ICE telling them, we've only got records of two hysterectomies being done at this facility at all, whether by Dr. Amin, at the time, they didn't know if there were other doctors that may be treating women at that facility. That's what MSNBC did, which was very reckless.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
They had the biggest microphone, the biggest camera, and they blasted his name and blasted his picture across on things that were false and that from their own investigation, they had feedback telling them, it wasn't there, their own internal people saying, we don't have it. And I know we may talk about that more if you want me to go into some of the things that they knew.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Well, she definitely had some issues employment-wise with the facility. Who's right or wrong in that, I don't know. But she was very upset about her status as an employee and her hours being cut down or something like that. And she was mainly concerned about COVID protections at the facility. This was September 2020. We were in the height of COVID restrictions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
She was complaining that the safety protocols weren't being followed and she had some of her own health issues that she was worried about and being forced to work in these conditions. That's what she was trying to share. You know, this 26 page letter, I believe it was total only one little paragraph about hysterectomies.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
But her advocates through this advocacy organization have been trying to get attention on COVID for a while and no one was biting them. And I think they needed something sensational. And why she chose to say that he did this, I'll never know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Well, they did include his denial, which was general. And one of the things to keep in mind here that was very frustrating for Dr. Amin is, I mean, he's a doctor. He is bound by the laws of HIPAA. He can't go digging through his medical records and throw them up on the screen and say, see here, this is why I did the hysterectomy. These are the hysterectomies I did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
He cannot talk about specific patients. He cannot talk about specific things that happened with them. And so that general denial was all he could do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
But what what was true and what we just got worse as we were peeling back the layers during discovery is this whole thing started with Julia Ainsley and Jacob Stoveroff were writing, working together on an article that was going to be for NBC News online. And they were calling immigration lawyers in Georgia, obviously speaking to Don Wooten.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And what they found in the course of doing that is that the immigration lawyers were telling them, you know, when this story broke, we started calling our colleagues. One of the immigration lawyers that they talked to was a leader in this 15,000 plus member association of immigration lawyers all across
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
the country and she had access to all the ones there in the Southeast and Georgia in particular, they were not seeing high numbers of hysterectomies. And they told the reporters at MSNBC that's unclear whether it was Jacob that they told or Julia, but they told one of them, we are not seeing it. We are calling around. We are asking people to report to us and we are not seeing it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Going to air, they really only had hard evidence of one hysterectomy. And they had that from an immigration lawyer who told them, and she had cancer. That's what they had. Now, they said they had more than that, but they never did. The most they ever had was two.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
That's what ICE was saying, is that there were two reported out from ICE and that they were approved through their internal procedures to be necessary. And then you had standards who was looking at that article standards and practices.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Yeah, absolutely. And I, and I've, I personally felt sorry for Christopher Scholl was the deputy head of standards at the time. And he was clearly pushing back. And he was saying, we have this one source. She has no direct knowledge because she told even Jacob Soboroff, I didn't go with the women during their medical treatments. And Dr. Amin never set foot
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
onto the campus of Irwin County detention center. The women were brought to his private medical office. Don Wooten said the alleged whistleblower, I didn't go there. I don't know what happened. So she has no firsthand knowledge. And the deputy head of standards is pointing this out guys. Hey, we have one source with no direct knowledge. This is sensational.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
We've got these folks saying, maybe we found one. You've got, I say, and there's two, we don't have it. And, um, There's evidence that we developed that standards never actually approved that online news report, which ended up being the basis for all the on-air. Now, they dispute and say, oh, yeah, we did. We did. We did approve.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
But there's some emails later where the deputy head of standards is saying – These articles shouldn't go out without standards seeing a final version and they should not be considered approved based on answers to questions, which is all there was back and forth. All these emails, questions, answers, questions, answers, but then more questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And then all of a sudden the news article is up and Julia Ainsley's on deadline White House. And then from there, you know, it goes to Chris Hayes. It goes to Rachel Maddow.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Yep. Prior to posting the, the article online and prior to any on air, including the deadline white house show. And then you also had, you had Chris Hayes behind the scenes internally with standards saying, you know, this whole thing went viral because it sort of brings up all these Third Reich, Jim Crow, Mississippi hospitalization experiments. And that's not the case here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
That's what he said internally. That's why it went viral. It's so sensational. It brings up all these bad historical implications. But that's not true here. He acknowledges that internally. That same night, he goes on his show and he says, this story went viral because of the historical ramifications of any kind of coerced sterilization of an immigrant population.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
So the exact same thing that he said this is not internally, he told the viewers internally. That's why this is such a big story, because this is what it makes us think of. It was very, very reckless and very disappointing to me to see that see it happen this way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
No. And that was the bigger problem. It would have been one thing to say, OK, here's what Don Wooten is saying. But we haven't been able to verify from anyone who was actually in the room. We haven't looked at medical records. And We're we're being skeptical here, which internally they were saying standards was saying to Chris Hayes specifically, we need to be skeptical.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And in fact, they were just validating. There were I don't remember if it was Chris Hayes or other on air talent or his producers that were. calling Don Wooten their hero. And our hero is here to share the truth with us, just really putting her up on a pedestal and then calling Dr. Amin a so-called medical professional, so-called medical professional.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
That's how things were going behind the scenes. So they're definitely saying one thing behind the scenes, and then they're saying another thing on air. And then it goes up. So you've got Nicole Wallace at Deadline White House, then you've got Chris Hayes And then after that, you've got Rachel Maddow, which really took it to the next level.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And we alluded to it earlier when she made this really an election issue and said this is the Trump administration's mistreatment of immigrants. And Dr. Amin is part of that and going through the child separation policy and going through tracking of immigrants. of immigrant women's menstrual cycles when they're in detention. And now Dr. Amin, the next chapter.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that was such a terrible outlandish thing to say, but even more so because earlier that day, when she was internal records during deposition, during discovery revealed, she had been having her production meeting with her team. And she starts out saying, if it's true, we should go with it. But there's, there's some reason to be doubtful here. I think there's a lot of jumping to conclusions here.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And then according to the document, eight minutes later, she is saying this is going to be the A block and this is going to be the chapter of this immigration situation with no evidence that we ever saw that any new information came in. And that to me is just so egregious. And she's got such a platform and so many people look up to her as a smart. and hardworking and thorough journalists.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And for her to be so flippant about Dr. Amin and what he did here just was really too much.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
No, no, there was not that. And in fact, for her and some of the other folks that we depose on air talent, but also producers, what struck me was how flippant folks were about, that was a long time ago. I do a lot of stories. I don't remember. That one just didn't stick out for me. And I thought, how callous. And yeah, maybe it was a flashpoint in time for you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Maybe it was part of some agenda for you. But this was Dr. Amin's life. This is what he lives with every day. Maybe you can move on from it in a second and put it out of your mind and not worry about how reckless you were. But he had to live with this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He had to live with the death threats, the bomb threats, the constant calls to his office, the following of him, the name calling some of the most vile things to be called his own staff. He had several Hispanic women working for him. He lost some employees over this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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A lot of the women stayed and they took also flack in their own communities and with their family and friends because they were working for him. But they knew I mean, they knew this man. They knew that this wasn't true. They knew that how these women were treated, which was well when they were in Dr. Amin's office. And thank goodness they stood by him. But it was a terrible time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
He wasn't able to move on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
Absolutely. Dr. Amin's son, his middle name is Mahendra, the same as Dr. Amin's first name, Paraj Mahendra Amin, Dr. Amin himself. And when all of the news hit and Dr. Amin was very scared about what was going to happen to him and others, he immediately thought of his son and he called his son. He said, you might get calls. because your name is so close to mine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
And if you get calls, just tell them you don't know me. Just tell them that you don't know me, that it's just a coincidence that you have the same name. Because he was so concerned that his son, who had just gotten his dream job, was going to be affected negatively about this, so much so that he was just like, pretend like you don't know me. And that just breaks my heart.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I mean, Dr. Amin is a father of four, caring husband, doctor, father. And to know that he had to say that to his son.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, absolutely. And that's really what the guy from standards was saying, is that if we're going to do this, we've got to we've got to caveat it with this and this and this. And then it's worth saying, why are we even doing the story? And he acknowledges during one of those internal calls to with Chris Hayes and his producers. Hey, we can get to the bottom of this and we can find out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But by the time we find out, we're not going to want to do the story more. It's going to be too late. I mean, really just sort of acknowledging how they were rushing here. And and I agree where Trump gets reelected. Yeah. I mean, the media, the media has an important job and I know it's gotta be hard.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And, and I've had cases that have come to me and I've started looking at them and I'm like, Oh, this is a great case. This is a great case. But when you find out facts and, That tell you it's not when you're in the media and you have you think of this great story, but then you find out facts that tell you that show to you that it's not. You have to stop. And I think you said it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was just too good. They had gotten they really wanted this. I think Julia Ainsley and Jacob Soberoff, they had done this book on or Soberoff had done a book on the child separation policies. They had won some awards for reporting in that. This was their next immigration story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Blue Origin "Mission" Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans | Ep. 1050
They wanted it so much that even though their own sources, their own immigration lawyers in Georgia were saying, we are not seeing it, even though ICE was saying two hysterectomies, Even though this was not a firsthand account, they just couldn't stop themselves from doing it. And then those text messages that you showed, some of those go into the night after the first night of reporting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And you have them even saying, gosh, I've got to know if it's true. I can't move on. I wonder if it's true. Do we think that the attorneys that did talk to us and told us that they found one Do we think they conspired? I've heard mixed things about Don Wooten, the alleged whistleblower. They are questioning it, and they didn't stop.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's a hard job, but when you learn better, when you know better, you do better, and they just didn't do that here. If it's okay, I wanted to Real quickly, you mentioned how we had to meet that actual malice standard, and we did. That is so hard. It is so hard. It's so hard. To get past summary judgment on actual malice. So I have to pat ourselves on the back for that for our team. But we did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Right. Right. We got we got it's so rare for a plaintiff to get summary judgment. We got summary judgment on several of the statements being false as a matter of law. And she said no evidence of mass hysterectomies, no evidence of high numbers of hysterectomies. And obviously he's not a uterus collector. But we had to prove actual malice here. And we were allowed to go to the jury on that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If the case I continued, we'd be in trial right now or next week. But we had to prove actual malice here, even though Dr. Amin is not a public figure, because Georgia has a very strict anti-SLAPP statute. Strategic lawsuit against public participation is what SLAPP stands for, for the viewers and listeners.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so when you have statements on air or in publications about issues of public concern, which this was deemed to be that, you have to reach that actual malice standard regardless of public figure status. And so that's why we had to do that. There's been some we could get nerdy on the law. There's been a little bit of changes since since that happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I have some disagreement about how that was applied here. But that's why it wasn't because he was a public figure, but because in this case, the court had deemed this an issue of public concern. And so we had to meet that higher standard, which is very, very hard. And I'm really proud of our team.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, the settlement terms themselves are confidential, so I really can't. But I can say that Dr. Amin is very happy to be able to move on from this. I mean, this is we filed this case in the fall of 2021. So this has been going on for a very long time for him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And so he's very glad to be able to move on from it and and very glad that that you and some others have been interested in sharing his story because it's it's been so hurtful for him. And like I said, his staff and his family. And so to be able to to have the truth come out, to be able to get that um, that accountability, um, for the truth, uh, just means so much to him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I appreciate you letting us tell that story. Of course, he's still practicing now, right? He is, he is still practicing. He's good. He's he is, I describe him. He is a doctor. He is a doctor. He is a doctor. He's a doctor. Um, I don't, other than when I told him he needed to wear, um, a business casual outfit, at least for his deposition, I've never seen the man not in scrubs. Um,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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we have a mediation or whatever we have, he's coming in and scrubs because he's, he'll, he'll take a break and he'll go, he'll get a call. He'll have to go deliver a baby. He just wants to know when can I get back to seeing patients? Um, he loves it. He's really good at it. The community, um, Fortunately, still loves him down there.
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He had some trouble for a while, but everybody luckily, it seems like everyone's come back around and he'll he'll never know all the naysayers that are out there. But he's very important to the community. He loves them and they love him. And, yeah, all he wants to do is this.
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There actually is a pending lawsuit against her. We have a state court case against Sinclair Broadcasting and Don Wooten jointly that's pending right now in Tift County Superior Court. So that that one is yet to be resolved.
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Yeah.
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She is defending the lawsuit. She does have counsel. We've got a procedural issue that we've got to work through before we get to discovery in that case. And so a lot is still sort of paused. But I do think it's worthy of note that the Government Accountability Project, which were her
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lawyers throughout the the media frenzy um and and it was a representative of the government accountability project that was on air with her chris hayes the government accountability project if you go to their website and you scroll down to the bottom of their home page you will see a retraction by them um basically retracting anything bad they've ever said about dr amin and his medical practices accusing him of mass hysterectomies everything like that i don't see anything like that from don wooten we'll see if we ever get there but at least um
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the lawyers that were with her at this crucial time back in the fall of 2020, they have retracted it all.
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Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.