Emily Jashinsky
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
the programs that they're engaging with enough to understand what's really happening and what the relationship is with the audience, because your audience would hear the question that you just read out and say, what do you mean? Like, of course, Megan has to criticize. It doesn't matter that Megan went and endorsed Donald Trump. She's been criticizing him like three days later.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
It just is a complete and a lot of times it's from these soundbites that go viral is when people who don't regularly listen to a show will dip in. And so they kind of think that they understand what happens, but it's really totally different.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Like your relationship with the audience is totally different than somebody who genuinely doesn't listen to it every day, fully understands or, you know, even like three times a week understands. And that is where I think it's, you know, shh.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I think she thought that you were working with the campaign, cooperating with the campaign, that you were a part of the campaign because you gave that speech when, in fact, all you did was be more honest with your audience than a lot of the journalists who are even just straight news reporters who work in their desk at the White House. Absolutely know that they are voting for Kamala Harris.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Come to every question. Believe in Kamala Harris. Good. Donald Trump. Bad. Every time they sit down and write copy, you're just being honest with your audience. And that's an improvement for most Americans.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Can I answer why they don't? I think that's actually a really interesting part of this because I – I believe that you could fix trust in media tomorrow. If the New York times and even the good faith people, like there's maybe 10% of journalists can genuinely be neutral and don't have like significant biases in one direction or the other. You can't tell it in their copy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Like there are some people who can do that, but they're very, very rare with the New York times and the Washington post just came out tomorrow and said, Oh, Our reporting, not our editorial side, our reporting leans left. The vast majority of our reporters are liberal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
We think, you know, maybe they put one of those signs in this house, we believe X, Y, and Z outside of the Washington Post and New York Times. They would fix trust with their audience like right off the bat. because they do some genuinely decent reporting. Just tell us what you think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
But the reason they can't do that is that they are all in these cultural bubbles where they don't understand that their biases are biases. They think this is just a matter of human rights or decency or civility, but they don't understand that actually those are significant biases in one direction or the other.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
So they're in such a bubble that they're not even able to determine anymore what's a bias and what's like actually just the things that are still controversial and contentious outside of their little bubbles. And what's actually just something that's a point of consensus that we all agree on.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
They can't tell one from the other because they're so siloed in what Charles Murray called super zips, New York, Washington, D.C., L.A., where upper middle class educated people disproportionately cluster and are disproportionately powerful. They can't even tell anymore.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Seriously, and I think actually Eliana's point is a legitimate one. And one thing you hear from the media a lot when you point out those discrepancies is they will say, okay, but it's because, look at Donald Trump. It's because Republicans don't have as many serious people to put forth that aren't trafficking in disinformation. That's always the excuse, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
But they don't even understand sometimes that they're completely out of the loop. They dismiss as conspiracy theories often when Republicans point out the lies or the pattern of lies that certain Democrats have told because, again, they will categorically say It's not serious if it's coming from the Federalist. It's not serious if it's coming from Ben Shapiro.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
So they don't even understand, like they're not even able to make those equivalencies. You know, they say, well, of course, we don't platform as many Republicans as we do Democrats. Republicans have an endemic truth problem. And it's like you weren't covering, for example, Biden as you started with, Megan, like you
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Every the White House was suddenly talking about how those these were, quote, cheap fakes. And you guys literally like reprinted their press releases for several weeks until the debate. And you couldn't do it anymore. There are certain storylines like Tara Reid. There's certain storylines that they just check out. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
But that was also January. I mean, that was that was January like this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Yeah, and that's a really good point. And to me, it's just like some of these lines, some of these, like there actually is a good example about the cheap fakes because it's not just what their editorial writers, their columnists were saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I mean, your point is that the straight news coverage is shot through with the bias that should be on the editorial side if there were this traditional neutral firewall, which just doesn't really exist. Nobody believes that it exists. they will tell you in our newsroom every day, there's no overlap, but they believe roughly the same things.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Even if there's, you know, little debates, they believe roughly the same thing. So why wasn't there the Peter Baker stories? Like, that's the question we need to have answered about the White House being, having doctors coming in and out of it, about donors being upset when they saw him in person. Like, those stories were nowhere to be found. Instead, it was the cheap fake storyline.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Well, I mean, she's just the combination. She has a combination that's really, I think, dangerous, which is sanctimonious and closed-minded. And when you combine those two things, it's really toxic, and it makes for very unhappy people, and I think very unappealing media personalities. And so I'm not entirely surprised by this, but it's just...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I think there's a type of journalist who gets validation and sort of the moral affirmations of commentary. And I think unfortunately she's one of those people and it's very dangerous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
But you were right. This is what drives me crazy is like you were right. And she was holding herself up as the as the sort of fact based arbiter of truth and using her platform to smear you. And it's turned out that you were vindicated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
So that's what I think is just like so egregious that there's no humility looking back and thinking like I was the one who was in the wrong and I was coming out real hot. I was real sanctified. I was real close minded. I was wrong. Megan was right. Shouldn't have smeared her. There's just none of that. It's just more smears.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Oh, yes, it must be celebrated. This is exactly what we were talking about earlier in that any time they say that there's disproportionate, like, oh, your coverage isn't even. It's not balanced between Republicans and Democrats. They say that's because Republicans are worse. This is where they can't even tell what their own biases are. And obviously, this is a comedian who is clearly on the left.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
She's not claiming to be anything else. But that's the White House Correspondents Association, the bastion of journalistic integrity, saying her views are going to fit right in. Of course, like this is... Exactly what we need.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
And, you know, if they wanted someone who would do a great job skewering Trump and skewering Democrats as well, you could find someone like Theo Vaughn or you could find someone like even Joe Rogan or Shane Gillis, Andrew Schultz, these guys.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Right. And it's actually a really good parallel with what we're talking about with your New York Times interview. It's like they don't understand that some really popular comedians actually go after Republicans to actually go after Trump like they're equal opportunity in the same way a lot of podcasters are equal opportunity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
They don't hold back when they disagree with him or when he does something that's funny and could be spoofed or satirized. And so they have no idea. They're just in these insane bubbles where they think the only person who could do a good job at the White House correspondent. Association dinner is Amber Ruffin, who is not funny.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
It's like they hadn't evolved since 2017 with the rest of the country, even though Donald Trump was just elected again with an even higher margin in the Electoral College. So they're completely out of touch. They were caught in it. And the last thing I'll say is this is always what the White House Correspondents Association dinner should have been. They want to claim it's a fundraiser.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
They want to claim the moral high ground. We're fundraising for journalism. It's about democracy. OK, well, then stop making it a Hollywood spectacle and just fundraise. Do that. Fine. But stop acting like this is some great thing for the country when it's actually just an orgy of elitism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I mean, yeah, of course. It was the right who was just so excited to talk about bathrooms and locker rooms. They just couldn't resist it, couldn't wait.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
It wasn't the Obama administration that had a dear colleague letter that wasn't even going through the proper legislative process and suddenly transformed how every school around the country had to use their bathrooms and locker rooms and do sports. No, no, no. It was everything. absolutely the right who just couldn't wait to make an issue out of transgender kids.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
I mean, this is why Gavin Newsom, I think, is having a hard time on his like rehabilitation tour as he's launched his podcast. And it's because he's like it's impossible for him to run from his actual record because he can't fully disavow it. You know, he can't fully get away from it. It's like how he said nobody in our office ever used Latinx.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
And then a million clips were produced of Gavin Newsom himself, let alone his office, saying the word Latinx. Like he can't fully divorce himself from the last 10 years of politics.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
What happens if there's no Republican president and everything just sort of goes back to the way that it was before? Gavin Newsom's not going to be the bulwark for sanity when it comes to kids' sports or bathrooms or locker rooms. Look at what happened to the prisons in California. It's just been awful, awful under him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
It is smart, but if he could go a step further and be honest about what he got wrong and why he got it wrong, that would be really impressive. But that's the one thing he will not do. He can't admit. That's why he said Latinx, nobody used it in our office. The one thing he can't do is say, here's why I was using the word Latinx. Here's why I thought it was right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Here's why I was supporting these locker room things. Here's why I thought it was right. And here's why I was wrong. He He won't do that. So he's not really going to get a lot of the trust back.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn's NYT Interview, WHCA Fires Unfunny Comedian From Dinner, and Newsom's Failed Shift, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 1038
Well, yeah, I mean, that was a part of the interview that you just played that I was trying to like stand up and clap when I was listening because it was such a great explanation of what people are doing now and where the wires are exactly getting crossed, which is that I actually think a lot of even thoughtful people who are coming to this conversation in good faith, like I genuinely think she was, don't totally watch everything.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Did you see over the weekend, Oscar de la Renta was tweeting out their own looks.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Well, I mean, it's got to be DEI because that's the catch-all. That's the umbrella term. They even sneak gender stuff under the DEI umbrella. So, I mean, between those two, I think people understand, regular Americans understand how sweeping that is. And it's huge. But I was also struck. I mean, I got the press release of the executive actions from the White House. They wasted no time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
They sent it out, I think, at 12.24 p.m. Mm-hmm. And I am looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, if somebody had sent this to me in 2012, I would have had an out-of-body experience saying, why do we need to do any of this? So much of this is actually just rewinding the clock.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Obama's administration is what changed Title IX to completely radicalize our regime on sex and gender, to conflate gender identity and sex. He also put men in women's prisons. Like so much of this stuff came out of the Obama administration. Trump was able to tweak some of it. Biden comes back in, reinstates all of it. And here we are, day one of the Trump administration.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
We're just rewinding the clock on so much of this in ways that it's like it's not even him creating new ideas. It's literally just him rewinding the clock to sanity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
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The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
I think the media is framing this. The video clip you showed of John Carl calling this dark. They're framing this. They're really trying hard to shoehorn this back into the American carnage narrative of Donald Trump being an aggressive fascist. He is aggressively instating fascism around the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And to most Americans, they look at this and they're like, this just feels like we're returning to something normal, like a baseline. And that's not what the media senses with this at all. They think this is something that's like pushing in a different direction. But for a lot of people, it just feels like stability and calm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
But that tells me they're not listening to anybody who actually supports Donald Trump. Like, that's what you hear if you're still talking to the Chamber of Commerce guys. And that's your sort of Republican source. Adam Kinzinger, Mitt Romney. Oh, no, no, no. But I mean, this is the thing, like, even on the sex and gender stuff. Trump, of all people, totally changed the paradigm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
This is the guy who was inviting Caitlyn Jenner to go use the bathroom at Trump Tower back in 2015, I think that was, maybe 2016. And yet I went back and looked at the news coverage, and no offense to Betsy DeVos, but she even reportedly at the time was wavering about rolling back Obama's Title IX stuff on sex and gender identity. I think this was according to the Washington Post.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And you go back and you think to that time period, early 2017, yeah, it was really tough. to be an American who actually said what you thought, let alone in Washington, D.C. And so Donald Trump, of all people, was the one who gave a shot in the arm to the culture war. I mean, it's incredible to think about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
So they asked me. You should have slipped one in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Oh no, she's way colder.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Yeah, I think that. And I mean, I worked in the conservative youth movement when I first graduated college and I was like a college conservative myself. And if someone had showed me those numbers when I was in college, my jaw would have been on the floor. I would have been like, what happened? Tell me what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
It would have been astounding because the tides, especially with millennials and then early Gen Z, you looked across polling. It was like everyone was with the far left in these generations. And what's sad, Megan, my favorite line, I was watching that at home, was when you said it was brick by brick. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
What's sad is that a lot of those bricks are people with real lives who had to go through this over the course of years.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And by the way, Jeff Bezos is on the dais. Amazon did not let Abigail monetize, put ads for that book on Amazon back in the day. Exactly right. Here's Jeff Bezos while Donald Trump is announcing the gender, like the sex, men and women, executive order. Jeff Bezos is right there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
I was going to say, Biden literally campaigned on not doing that. There are soundbites of Joe Biden in 2020 saying, as he's being asked on the campaign trail, I will not pardon my family. Donald Trump is going to do that. I will not. I mean, it's part of how he convinced Americans to vote for him. It's just disgraceful. It's disgusting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Yep. And what's, I think even just from a big picture perspective, we don't want to lose our sense of shock at this type of like banana Republic behavior. And James Biden, I had actually like in the Biden tornado of corruption over the last half decade forgotten that he had completely, he's obviously lied to Congress. And James Comer recommended that he be prosecuted.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
He recommended it to Merrick Garland's Department of Justice. So obviously dead on arrival, but would have pursued it had James Biden not been pardoned because James Biden said he said straight up that Joe Biden did not meet with their business partners while they were seeking a deal with these Chinese businessmen. We know that that is not true. That is a lie.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
He lied to Congress, and now he's pardoned for it. But that was a lie to cover up corruption. That was a lie to cover up corruption on behalf of the president, not just his relatives. He didn't pardon himself, which is interesting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And their own role in it, right? Like they don't it doesn't occur to them that they may have contributed to the problem. They're still unwilling to admit that. And that's what I saw from Gayle King, too, when she's out there waxing poetic about how she doesn't see any people of color at Trump's inauguration. It's like you're missing the entire point. You were still missing the entire point.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
The host of Celebrity Apprentice just beat you in an election twice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And it didn't clock. I mean, it's still, it's still not registering.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
A woman driver, you say? That sounds wonderful.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
He saluted the village people and the assless chaps. Oh, incredible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
That is a good shot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
I just don't know how Republicans got the upper hand in the culture war. Again, like 2012, it was the Republican autopsy was saying that you needed to moderate in order to win voters. And here we are, it's 2025. And Donald Trump, a man who spent his life as a Democrat, has completely shifted the cultural tide to what Eliana was saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
All of these, it came to be called wokeness, but all of this sort of cultural progressivism, some people call it cultural Marxism. had started stacking up slowly in our institutions. It did come from the campuses. It came from postmodernism. And then it was slowly taking over society. And then it happened all at once in 2020. It felt like the snowball had rolled down the hill.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
And it's Donald Trump. It is Donald Trump in the year 2025. It's not Mitt Romney. It's not some conservative standard bearer. No offense to Ted Cruz. It's not Ted Cruz. It's Donald Trump. He was the only one who could come in and just melt the frost that had settled over the culture. It's very, very honestly surreal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Right. I mean, there was no sense of order. It was complete chaos. It has been for like a decade. And so there has to be a process. Most Americans agree with that. We just went through the new New York Times Ipsos numbers. So those those images, I think they may ultimately have a little bit of you may see that showing up a little bit in public opinion polling.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
We saw that back in 2017 during the kids in cages false narrative. But I don't think it's going to work the way the media thinks it will.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
Yeah, I mean, make no mistake, all of these stories are heart-wrenching. I mean, you talk to people at the border and it's like, my God, that is terrible. I know you just want a better life for your child. And they are really sad stories, but they also are encouraging more people to cross the Darien Gap.
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
If you let them in, you're bringing more and more people through the Darien Gap where women are getting sexually assaulted, young girls are getting raped, they're being impregnated, they are all trafficked by cartels. Every single person pays. Plenty of sources can tell you that. If you actually talk to people on the border...
The Megyn Kelly Show
President Trump is Back, Major Executive Orders, and Biden's Last Minute Pardons, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 986
So when you see these sob stories, they are representing even worse stories when you let them in. I mean, we have to have a process. And Tom Homan is somebody who came out of the Obama administration to the conversation we were having earlier about just rolling back the clock to before Obama dramatically upended the way that immigration worked in this country via executive orders in particular.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But he's someone who's a great example. Like the Trump administration is. isn't necessarily aggressively devising these innovative policies. They're literally just going back to a baseline in some cases.
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Well, and I think if you told venture capitalist author J.D. Vance that in 2025—
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brett kavanaugh like tell him you know what what year was that 2018 when the kavanaugh stuff happened tell him in november of 2018 that in just seven years you will have your hand on the bible and brett kavanaugh will be the man swearing you in as vice president of the united states i mean jd vance's story is so irresistible that even ron howard made a netflix movie about it and as we were just before he was a known republican trump supporter
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Right. And it just it gave me chills as you were walking us through his background, Megan, because, you know, that doesn't get to have that doesn't happen to a lot of people. It actually doesn't happen to a lot of people in our politics anymore because of the way upward mobility and things have gotten stagnated. And he beat the odds. And there he is.
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He has the story that I think the press would be slobbering over right now if he were a Democrat. And we're hearing none of it.
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By the way, I literally heard that on NPR as I was coming over here. Oh. Yeah, in the car. They were talking about how Donald Trump stands for white supremacy.
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Oh, that's such a good point. The wife guy. Yeah. Yeah. The wife guy. He's a girl dad. He's a wife guy.
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Unbelievable. I'm curious, actually. We talked earlier in the show about how Oscar de la Renta was sort of openly posting on social media about how they addressed Usha and Ivanka. And if I'm remembering correctly, it was only like Dolce and Gabbana that would dress Melania during the first term, something like that.
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And now I'm so fascinated that these brands actually want to be associated with, right? Like they're not just saying like, oh, hey, we did this, but don't tell anyone. Like they're going out there and posting it to their own marketing platforms. That's the vibe shift if I've ever seen one.
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i mean who could blame him that's why she did it are we gonna get it is it is washington post style section coverage of the lauren sanchez get up i'm gonna guess no it's amazing the first thing that uh megan and eliana started talking about when we walked in was lauren sanchez it was like the headline out of
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Well, they're totally out of touch. I mean, out of touch with the moment. They're trying really hard to get back into touch. I mean, this is the thing with Jeff Bezos, right, is suddenly you go from what we were talking about earlier, like censorship on Amazon, proud censorship on Amazon, to to flipping and being behind Trump as he denounces censorship at his inauguration.
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I mean, they're slowly trying. I'm not saying their motives are good. I hope to God their motives are pure. I doubt it. But I think what she was trying to do is actually make a statement. Like, I'm not of this city. I'm not of this movement. We picked up what she was putting down. Yeah, we did. It wasn't subtle.
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That's...
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Oh, yeah. No warning, by the way. Megan did not give us warning for our predictions. So now we have to. I'm just thinking like stupid enough to make a lot of lawfare. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think the birthright citizenship one is the one to watch. I actually think some of the biggest fights behind closed doors in this administration are oddly enough going to be over antitrust.
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I know that sounds like a silly thing, but a lot of these young staffers spent the last decade talking about how corporations like Amazon and Facebook were too big. meta. We're too big. That's probably why they were there. Yes. And I think, yeah, exactly. I think they know that. And so that to me seems like one of the big battles to watch.
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I think we're going to see some of the consequences early, but the birthright citizenship thing is going to be tough to hold up.
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27 amendments. Yeah, sorry.
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He looks so different.
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I've never seen anything like it. Right. And, you know, there really are a lot of people here. Pray for everyone to get home safe because people have the time of their lives. It's fun. It's fun to see. I don't even care if it's left or right. Yeah, it's just fun to see.
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Great to see you. Great to be with you. How are you feeling? Good. Eliana is just keeping it short right now. Yeah. I mean, how could you? Look at the golden ages upon us. The sun is shining through the windows.
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There is a cool thing about Trump supporters. Anytime you go to a rally, they love the fellowship with each other and they can find it anywhere. Like the hardcore Trump diehards. They don't mind standing outside and getting rained on because they meet people from around the country who are just like them. And for a long time, they couldn't find other people like that.
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And they were like a little bit of fright. So there were 220,000 inauguration tickets granted when it was supposed to be outside. You can fit about 20,000 in Capital One Arena. So there is a big gap. But what I've seen just walking around the city in the last couple of days is a lot of people finding fellowship. They're thrilled.
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They used this Aaron Blake Washington Post story about what Judge Kaplan, who was trying to like hedge and show there was wiggle room on how people understand rape being different than the legal standard of rape. It's just ridiculous for a judge to be involved in.
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They wanted that Washington Post story to give them license to say that it's just a fact when the jury said something completely different. And it didn't I mean, it doesn't hold it does not hold any weight or credibility. It's just a ridiculous claim. So it didn't work out.
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Yeah, I mean, so he is, you can tell, like a dog with a bone. He will not let this question go. It's one thing to just ask Nancy Mace the question, although it's, to your point, Megan, laughable. That George Stephanopoulos, who very famously defended Bill Clinton in some very scummy ways.
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for many, many years, thought that he was the guy who should put this question to Nancy Mace, that him as a man, he should be rhetorically beating down on Nancy Mace over and over and over again with the moral credibility of a journalist to just make sure that she has her feet held to the fire on this question. I Nancy Mace did a really good job of saying that you're shaming me.
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She performed fantastically in that. And just to the point about the jury sheet right there, it's so important because he is saying this is a fact. And as we were talking about, maybe there's this like left wing feminist opinion that the judge is getting to in that like op ed that the judge wrote so in a
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appropriately, that says we can broaden the definition of rape to include all of these different things. That is actually something feminists have tried to do despicably for a very long time. So you can maybe make that argument, but you can't say that it's a fact. And so while he is trying...
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to push Nancy Mace further and further like a dog with a bone on this really disgusting line of questioning, truly shaming her, as she said rightfully. He also, he doesn't have the moral credibility, nor does he have the journalistic credibility. It is a total farce. It is the problems with journalism in one perfect segment.
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And with much more credibility than E. Jean Carroll.
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Well, here's what's infuriating is like these are the defenders of capital T truth, right? I mean, first of all, does Jim Acosta not realize that his network settled with Nicholas Sandman in another very, very serious defamation case? So I guess they bent the knee in that one. So maybe his moral credibility is also in question. But secondly... These are the guardians of capital T truth.
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CNN ran those famous ads during the Trump administration about how they'll tell you something is an apple or a banana when Trump is telling you it's an apple. They'll tell you, no, it's actually a banana. They are so sanctimonious, and yet they are the ones in this case who are defending George Stephanopoulos for doing actually a really shitty thing, which is telling people
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that they are hearing a fact when what they are hearing is an opinion. And that is just about, as far as I'm concerned, one of the very worst things that an anchor, a host, somebody who was telling you, I'm coming straight down the middle. I think that's one of the worst things you can do because that is exactly why your audience comes to you. They want to trust you.
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They want to trust that if you're telling them something is a fact, that it actually is a fact. And it's not just your editorializing, but that was pure editorialization on Stephanopoulos' behalf with a an assist from the judge and the Washington Post, but it was opinion nonetheless.
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And that is, I think, one of the biggest sins in journalism is to tell people that you're just playing it straight and when you're actually opining. And so actually what his peers should be doing is saying, you screwed the rest of us here in a really big way and we are going to do better because of it to the extent they talk about this being quote unquote chilling.
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I hope that it does have a chilling effect. I'm saying that even as a journalist against some of this really, really bad behavior that is misleading people who are desperate for facts. So if you're telling people you're delivering facts, just do it. And to the extent you're not, I do hope it chills that the, we have the ad here.
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The Zucker classic.
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Well, no, I'm glad you brought that up because as you were going through those numbers, I'm thinking in my head, the overhead that sustains this model that is losing to much more nimble and leaner operations is astounding.
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I mean, if you look at, I mean, just even the bare bones like Joe Rogan said, it's so funny how upset many people in the corporate press get about Joe Rogan because he's just out there with like his whiskey on the table, his cigars on the table in a room. He has like two camera views.
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It's just like insane how competitive that is with these operations that have their midtown glossy newsrooms with just the salaries. I mean, it's just incredible. So it's not sustainable. And there was a glimmer of. of recognition of that when Jeff Zucker tried to launch CNN Plus, I think is what it was called.
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But just, it was such a disaster because they didn't have the guts or the courage or the wisdom to say, what needs to happen on something like CNN Plus, not only do we need to take the overhead down and get on this off ramp to the digital world, we actually need to understand the content demands of our audience, which would be, they understand you can draw a line from Duke Lacrosse
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to the Rolling Stone, Virginia rape hoax piece, to the Aziz Ansari Me Too movement piece. Like the American people sort of see what's happened and the CNN audience sees what happened and they find it interesting. And they now want people to be way more authentic in their delivery because they lost their trust.
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as they sort of traced that line in real time, saw a lot of people's lives get ruined unjustly, were lied to over and over again about politics. So, I mean, they are not willing to create the content.
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They might be willing to like sort of take the playbook and sort of look at the numbers, but they're not gonna see improvement if the content itself, like it's one thing to have a good YouTube audience and to take your costs down and be a little bit more nimble and build digital platforms. It's another thing entirely to give people the content they want. And that's where they're going to go wrong.
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OK, I want to move on from very close to saying that.
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Oh yeah. I'll never forget it. Indelible.
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Yeah, it may be that he actually duped the rebels who they themselves duped Clarissa Ward and the CNN team. I think it does look like a combination. Yes, it's double do, which is I mean, this is perfectly fits the propaganda that Jelani and the rebels right now are trying to destroy. are trying to distribute throughout the Western world. They need Western cooperation. They are Islamists.
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And what they need to show is that they are, quote unquote, freedom fighters, that they are liberating Syria from Assad. And so literally liberating a man from a prison is sort of exactly what you would expect to see from them. And it's actually so on the nose that you would expect for a pre-produced package by CNN. Because unless I'm wrong, this didn't air live. This was a pre-produced package.
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They had- Correct. Voiceovers and all of that stuff prepped. This should have gone through a lot of layers of editorial oversight. And so it's one thing for Ward to get duped in the moment if it were happening live or something like that. It's an entirely different thing to have a name and to have so many details.
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I mean, whoever's editing this package, producing this package would have had the same questions theoretically that people immediately had on the Internet. about the nature of the setup. Why does this look like it's staged? Why does this all seem so strange? Those questions would have been asked in production. So it's all very, very, very odd, but it does show the sort of credulousness.
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I think at the very least, it shows a credulousness of being led around by the rebel group and having this opportunity to see someone be literally liberated when the propaganda line is about liberation. It just seems it should have seemed to them too good to be true and that it didn't, I think, is pretty suspicious and unfortunate for their credibility.
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I think it was probably too good. I mean, at the bare minimum, you wouldn't ask for a name unless you were going to check it. But at the bare minimum, check the name. I mean, they could have been in touch with the Syrian fact checking outlet. Now, it's very hard to do this stuff in Syria right now because there's so many different factions and lines have shifted and allegiances have shifted.
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So I understand that it's hard. But if you're going to put if you're going to air it and you're going to be so dramatic when it airs, you're going to really push it. Man, just the fact that they don't seem to have checked the name, done the most basic thing, checked the name.
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And there were all of these obvious questions that people on the Internet raised within like 10 minutes of the thing airing. That just tells me they were too excited to like really, as you said, kick the tires and do their due diligence. It just probably seemed too good for them not to use.
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Yeah, I mean, it's like a cry for help. The best case scenario is that this is just a cry for help for Caitlin Clark, who's been getting the tar beat out of her by players who are taking out their upset, their anger over her white privilege physically onto Caitlin Clark. I mean, the The clips, if you watch them back, are just horrendous and so insane.
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And that's the type of pressure that she's under. And maybe she thought that she had no choice. She had to say it. It doesn't take the agency away from her from actually saying it. She probably believes it because it's all she ever hears from everyone around her. But even if she didn't believe it, she realizes that it's probably physically dangerous for her not to say something like that.
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But of course, it wasn't good enough to say that this is all like that. That Caitlin Clark isn't about the surge of... the surge of interest in the WNBA is not just about Caitlin Clark is stupid. It is literally just about Caitlin Clark. And it's not because Caitlin Clark is white. It's because she had this meteoric, crazy story in the tournament.
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And it was just a narrative that was too good for people to not pay attention to. It was crazy. It was such an amazing story. And that is what it was. It was not her race. It was that. And of course, though,
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Of course, we have to listen to CNN segments like that one with Sheila Johnson about how the reason it should have been the whole WNBA literally doing the cringe everyone gets a trophy routine is because it was hurting people's feelings. I mean, this woman is so out of touch with what the country is basically in the position right now of throwing all of that like bullshit out the window.
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And she's going on CNN acting like she has the moral high ground saying it.
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I'll start with you, Emily. Well, I'm also enjoying really ABC's peers in media freaking out because of the ABC settlement. I mean, that's been, I think, equally as delicious as watching so many people now criticize ABC for, quote unquote, caving in. What was a pretty serious case?
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It's just in the last 24 hours that so many different people in media are now accusing ABC basically of enabling Trump when they were staring down the barrel of a very, very problematic deposition, being in litigation with an incoming president, and all of that would entail for the incoming administration, their coverage of the
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But what he does know from having been briefed in the past is what they know generally, not to do the whole who knows what they know and we know. But that's, I mean, he is aware of the kinds of intelligence that people with the highest levels of classification and access to get. He understands drone technology as it's used by the military. It's interesting, I think, what he just said.
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And it would be staggering if the government did not know what these were at this point. This has been so sustained and has involved so many different sightings, some of which do seem to be like BS. But either way, there have been so many serious sightings at this point over such a long period of time, if they don't know. It's outrageous. It's a scandal.
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And I think it would be a much worse option for them to be going to the press and talking about how they don't know if they truly don't know that interview with Martha McCallum. I mean, I don't understand why that even happened. If they don't know, why are you talking? I mean, and if you do know, why are you talking if you're not going to tell us or you're not going to have a better explanation?
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I mean, seriously, this is so such a disaster for them. Two things can't be true. It cannot be true that they don't know what this is and that there's no threat to the public. They can't know those things. They can't. That is absurd. Anybody can see through it. So it's a disaster for them right now.
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Like you said, I'm not cheering on like lowering the threshold for defamation for journalists. And I don't necessarily think this lowers the threshold. I think it really was a very, very serious case. So all kinds of schadenfreude to be enjoyed this morning.
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Can I just say, it's not necessarily that we would be afraid. It's that we might also be angry. Maybe it's not something that we should be scared of, but maybe it is a use of resources that would really piss people off.
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He said, yeah, you wrote the clip of him saying, that's just a fact. And it's sort of the problem with people like George Stephanopoulos and crystallized in one perfect example. That's just a fact about something that's absolutely not a fact. In fact, it was found the opposite. Like, literally, the jury answered no.
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And it's also interesting, I mean, we haven't even touched on the rank misogyny in that interview, which is just maddening to watch. He's telling Nancy Mace exactly how she should feel about this as a woman, as somebody who's survived sexual abuse. But he also, Trump was, I believe in this judgment, found liable of something much lower than rape, which was sexual abuse, which...
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George Stephanopoulos could have used that. There's something very particular about wanting to accuse Trump of being held liable of rape that they knew better. I mean, they wanted to use this Aaron Blake Washington Post story they put up on the screen if people were watching this and saw the ABC clip.
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Yeah. And part of what this looks like to me is they they actually were trying to bring influencers in and give scoops to people who have cared about the issue and have been supportive of the administration. And when they realized that this was going to be like not what they promised, they still tried to go ahead with it.
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And they laid the spin on extra thick to make up for under delivering, which is a horrible, horrible.
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horrible idea you can see how when things are happening really quickly like it's veep behind closed doors in dc you would do something like this but it's it's really really stupid i think probably at someone's head should roll because they took a lot of built-up credibility with these uh online influencers who have been supportive of them have stuck their necks out for them
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And this is a reputation blow. I mean, I agree. I think they'll recover. But for some people, they'll probably never have the same level of reputation in one way, though. I think this could be a good thing, which is my advice to people who start covering Trump world is that they are really friendly if you're supportive. But if you want them to take you seriously, you have to like kind of.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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be serious and show that you're willing to be extremely skeptical. The people that they take most seriously are the ones that are willing to play hardball too. And so I think in a sense, for the influencers, this could be a good lesson that you can be supportive. If you support Donald Trump, great, go support Donald Trump.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But there are some people in his orbit that aren't always going to have your best interests in mind. So be skeptical and be rigorous when you go into situations like these.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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EJ, how's it going? I think between me, Anna, and Dasha, this is the most Slavic episode of The Megyn Kelly Show ever. If I could just get Melania. Mechersova, Katyan. Yeah, seriously.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. And, you know, be someone that they respect, not someone I'm not saying they should treat people flippantly. They shouldn't, especially people who have had their backs, but make them respect you. And this is a good lesson, I think, for people in Trump in this administration, like respect the people who have been loyal to you. Otherwise, you end up looking like jackasses.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And that's absolutely what happened yesterday. So, I mean, it seems like this was just a moving catastrophe because they were rushing to get stuff out. They knew they were under pressure. And there are a million different ways this probably could have been avoided and could have done better. But once the wheels get turning in D.C., things can get messy really quickly. So maybe it's a lesson.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But I also just think this created a problem that's going to follow them. This is going to be a hole that they have to dig out of It makes the demand on them to produce real records, like to really unseal things, to really declassify things, to really release things. I think this actually just ratcheted up the pressure on them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They're not going to be able to get away as easily with not producing documents.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Epstein Files Debacle, and Trump Spars with Zelensky in Oval Office, with Emily Jashinsky and Red Scare Hosts | Ep. 1016
Which, by the way, actually makes does no favors to Donald Trump to lump him in to lump the lawfare against Donald Trump in with like extremely serious charges. And I also am not like I haven't gone deep into the weeds on whether or not there's some legitimate lawfare weaponization happening against the Tate brothers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Right. Yeah. And, you know, that's what the Tampa Bay Young Republicans statement. I actually thought that was really interesting, too, because they are directly drawing this line, Trump to Tate, which is, I think, a pretty bad sign for the right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And when I talk to some young men, especially Bill, I mean, you could roll that montage for them and they would be like, yeah, we know we're not saying he's a good person. We're saying he's right about Trump. masculinity and femininity. And so the argument becomes like, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like, we know this guy is awful, but he's doing some some good things for young men.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's speaking to us and he's entertaining us and appealing to us for all these reasons, because He's saying something about masculinity that the mainstream doesn't want to hear. Thus, the charges against him are because people in the mainstream are just threatened and they don't believe in the differences between men and women, et cetera. which is true, by the way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But opposing Andrew Tate is not something that you do just because you are someone who's gatekeeping and are in the mainstream, which means that it ends up pushing people to affiliate with him. And so as much as I despise gatekeeping on the right and support free speech as the Tampa Bay Young Republicans do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There's such a difference between appreciating the boundaries and understanding that free speech is real and important and actually then affiliating yourself with this dude. So it's kind of unfortunate that we're just in this situation. And for young people, they're lost.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's no wonder that they end up going to, you know, gravitating towards someone like Andrew Tate, who, by the way, he is so emotional. You think he was a woman, Megan. I mean, the is the least masculine clips that I just saw. He's like running a multi-level marketing scheme, like he's selling leggings on Facebook marketplace and whining. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, it's so easy. And people like Josh Hawley and Ben Shapiro and you, Megan, have come out and been really clear on this. Like you can be all for free speech and you can be against the left's ridiculous standards about sex and gender. And so say this guy is a piece of garbage. He doesn't need to be listened to. You don't have to pay attention to him.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think the problem is that there are so many young men that have been poorly served by elites and by media that now they're way more susceptible to to people like Andrew Tate who come in and offer something that feels sort of intoxicating and it feels like it's appealing to your masculinity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And it's like the problem, it's really, really dangerous then for anybody in, I think, Trump world, the new right to play footsie at all with Tate because it validates that there's something going on there. And with him, there really isn't. I'm sorry that he has a six-pack. I don't think that makes him interesting or compelling as an example of masculinity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I mean, it would be if he had been peppering those questions to you as like a devil's advocate, that may have been different. But that's I think you're right to say that's how he was actually characterizing the show. And it sounds to me like he's not familiar with what you do regularly on the program at all.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I agree, because if you had been listening to or watching the show leading up to the election, you would have had all of the context of how seriously you took those issues, how deeply you covered those issues and how much they mattered to you. whether it was sports, immigration, whatever, and all of that would have made way more sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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But if you're only getting your information sort of dripped out through the coverage from liberal bloggers and people on Twitter, then yeah, that sort of sounds like Exactly like my impression of the questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And by the way, another thing it misunderstands, I mean, I think even to ask the question about whether you wish you had a producer, I thought the implication was that maybe you're going off the rails too much or whatever. But by the way...
The Megyn Kelly Show
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The reason people like this medium is because they get both the level of the quality and analysis and sophistication and political commentary, but they trust it more because they see you with no filter. And that's the whole point.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah. And that's the other thing I thought was interesting from that question is that, again, we spent the first part of the show talking about how the White House screwed up yesterday. I mean, you don't need to. It's not like you have to miss one episode and then you're out of the loop. You do this all the time. That's why people like you and trust you. So it's actually part of the trust.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Part of the trust is built into you being like, yeah, I think people should vote for Donald Trump. Here is why. And then you can assess my coverage of Trump's policies. You can assess my coverage of Kamala Harry's proposals through that lens. It's actually like his question is completely missing the point.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's incredible. I mean, the way that Tucker ended up getting all of these insane protests is that people were actually doxing him and they were encouraging protests outside of his home to make him uncomfortable was the point of the protest. So it was I mean, that question is grossly, grossly unfair.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And also, I think baked into it was that hilarious assertion laundered through this broadcast person that apparently said, you know, it's just very unusual to go after people. It's like, No, no, it's unusual for libs to go after other libs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like, yes, the rich liberals do not go after the rich liberals, but they will absolutely take shots at people that are not, you know, couth in their, like, book club circles on the Upper East Side. Like, give me a freaking break. What are you talking about?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, I mean, they'll do it when somebody like transgresses the boundaries of their ideological comfort zone. So it's the only way that you can break the gentleman's agreement is just being like outside of what's like considered polite society and these like awful corrupt media circles.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So, I mean, just you're like the worst person to ask that question because it's so obvious that the question is premised on something insane.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, that's annoying because Ben is, I think, one of the smarter people in media, and his can be really interesting. Semaphore can be really interesting. So that's an unfortunate series of questions and tally, perhaps.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think you just hit on the crux of the problem for them, which is they were, on the one hand, they're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, they were saying this was a big document dump, the first step towards total transparency. They're about to purge the deep state and expose names. And that's basically what Pam Bondi said on Jesse Waters' show the night before all of this happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then they want to have it the other way, too, which is that Well, we always knew this was going to be underwhelming because we were being thwarted by, as they're saying, SDNY, the Southern District of New York. So it doesn't make sense that they actually went public and said, this is a huge step towards transparency.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And then at the same time also said, actually, it's nothing because we're being thwarted by the deep state. Those two things can't be true at the same time. And it seems like... They were in a rush to get documents out because they're under a lot of pressure. This was a huge Trump pledge to actually release all kinds of information, whether it's JFK files, MLK files, Epstein files.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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This is going to be a really big problem for Pam Bondi. And Megan, I don't know if you've sensed this. I've sensed the White House is really upset with the Department of Justice over this, just talking to people in the last 24 hours. They feel this was a huge error. because the optics were so bad, because it turned so many people in MAGA world against each other so early in the administration.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It may seem like a silly sideshow thing, but I actually think it was a pretty significant blunder that's going to have ripple effects in the days and weeks to come.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You couldn't have scripted it better. No, I mean, it was incredibly humiliating. It makes them end up looking like Pravda, like they're taking talking points and being the useful idiots for the administration's complete blunder on promising, over-promising, and wildly under-delivering. So... I actually think this is going to be a problem. I'm with you, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I have pretty high hopes for Pam Bondi and definitely for Kash Patel as well. But this to me feels like it'll be a big problem going forward for Pam Bondi because people like, in fact, some of these influencers, some of their staunchest allies on social media are not going to give up on looking for these files and trying to get these files.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Pam Bondi was the attorney general in the state of Florida. An attorney general in the state of Florida over the time period in which she was there would know a lot of stuff about what was happening with the Jeffrey Epstein case, presumably. And so there's just going to be a lot of questions. Remember, Alex Acosta, Trump's first labor secretary, was really involved in the sweetheart deal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Like this is this is the Florida connections aren't great here. So I think this is going to follow Pambandia, unfortunately.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I think it's going to be really difficult for them to not provide answers. And the question for me is, do the answers they provide continue to sort of look like what yesterday looked like?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I mean that when it comes to JFK, MLK and all of that, because Trump was on Joe Rogan as he was courting young men, a very important demographic for him in this last election, talking about how this stuff was all going to come out. And so is it just going to be an underwhelming drip drip drip as a lot of cynics always predicted, or is there going to be substantial information release?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I have a really hard time seeing them politically getting away with not infuriating all of the, like, again, some of the same people that were at the White House yesterday, if all this time goes by and they never produce anything. I think the hope is that what they don't keep trying to do is manipulating the public by tossing scraps and acting like it's a really big deal.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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There are potential loopholes in the JFK EO. I actually sent a comment request to the CIA a couple of weeks ago about whether they're planning to use some of those loopholes, and they gave me a non-response. But this stuff is going to build. We're a month into office, so I don't really think they have a choice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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One thing we know quickly that the FBI has is disks that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse that have blank names. plus a blank name on these discs. They said that these are things that they took from the Epstein townhouse in New York. So there really are specific, tangible records. We know they have.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And as those questions keep building and building, good luck if you're going to continue ignoring that after promising so much.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, yeah, and it's totally missing the moment. It's completely tone deaf. And what they were trying to do, I suspect, from that was throw SDNY. They were trying to troll SDNY and say, this is what happens when you try to get records from the deep state. You're just going to keep getting rickrolled.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I think it was intended to have that target, but it was indicative of how indelicately the situation was handled for a a very serious matter to many, many people in the whole country, but especially in the Trump base. It was just yesterday was a real disaster for them. And they kind of knew it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You sensed that they knew it as it was happening, that it was a disaster and we're trying to cover their asses.