The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump Ends DEI, 1/6 Pardons Media Meltdown, and Bombshell New Blake Lively Video, with Nicole Shanahan and Sasha Stone | Ep. 988
Wed, 22 Jan 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by Nicole Shanahan, "Back To The People" podcast host, to discuss the major executive orders Trump has signed in his first 48 hours, how he just ended DEI at federal agencies and universities, the challenges of implementation, liberals like Bill Maher calling out the ridiculous DEI focus and how it relates to the LA wildfires, how counterproductive DEI has proven to be, Trump’s major AI announcement, hundreds of billions being invested in the AI "infrastructure," the alarming discussion about AI and mRNA vaccines, the way some on the right and left are turning against RFK Jr. in absurd ways, and more. Then Sasha Stone, host of “Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning,” joins to discuss her personal story of leaving the Democratic party, her full MAGA conversion, being canceled publicly last year and what happened with advertisers, the media meltdown over Trump’s January 6 pardons and executive actions within his first 48 hours in office, the truth about those who were arrested in relation to January 6, and more. Then Megyn details the latest video that adds new context to the legal battle between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.Shanahan- https://x.com/NicoleShanahanStone- https://sashastone.substack.com/Grand Canyon University: https://GCU.eduJustThrive: Visit https://JustThriveHealth.com and use code MEGYN for 20% off your first 90 day bottle. Prize Picks: Download the Prize Pick app today and use code MEGYN to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup! Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. President Trump has continued a relentless pace since taking office just 48 hours ago. On day two, he ordered the closure of all federal DEI offices, yes.
And according to a memo sent yesterday, all federal DEI employees will be placed on paid leave by 5 PM tonight. Good luck making use of those absolutely useless empty degrees. Plus, the crackdown on the border crisis is already in motion. That, too, is equally uplifting. Border czar Tom Homan said this morning they've already got 308 illegal migrant criminals in custody.
Sanity and common sense are returning to America. And today we have two guests who have been tracking the shift in the culture in a way that's beyond politics. Later, someone whose podcast and Substack I absolutely love. I'm her fan. I might be her biggest fan. Her name is Sasha Stone. She was with us a couple years ago, and I listen to her podcast all the time.
And she's such a great cultural commentator. She just has a wisdom about her in seeing the forest for the trees. So we're going to talk to her about where she thinks we are. She's also been a victim of the woke mob and been canceled herself as someone who she, too, campaigned for Joe Biden, I say, too, because...
I often reference my friend in New York who campaigned for Joe Biden back in 2020, but who now is probably more to the right than I am. And Sasha's followed a similar trajectory. And Hollywood, you'll be stunned to hear, turned on her. In any event, we are going to start, though, today with someone who played a role in helping put Trump back in office, a former Democrat.
You got two former Democrats on the show today, but now independents, who started to tell the MAGA story through moving ads, the best ads of the entire campaign. Nicole Shanahan was RFKJ's vice presidential candidate, his running mate, and she hosts the Back to the People podcast.
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So how are you feeling just in the wake of everything that's happened this week?
Well, very good. I didn't make it out to D.C. California is on fire and I wanted to be close to home. My entire community is here. Lots of people impacted. But I did watch with great enthusiasm seeing President Trump get to the Oval Office with piles of executive orders in front of him. I watched with great interest. read many of them, really happy the direction that these go.
I think his base and many others in the country are very happy to see a return to sanity. And then, you know, the folks that are concerned that some of these actions might end up heavy-handed, I think it's our responsibility to keep that conversation open. We're one country. We're one country for the people. And we have a leader right now who understands how to get there.
And and so I think that, you know, here in California, I like to think of myself as serving a bridge of information. I don't try to add sensationalism in the conversation, but I do like to stick to the details and help alleviate through some of the misinformation that the mainstream media is politicizing.
Mm hmm.
Well, I want to tell the audience here's here are this is Charlie Kirk posted this this morning. It's a list of the executive orders we got yesterday, among other things. He writes as follows. On day two, the president restored merit based hiring at the FAA. Yes, that's important.
The people who govern the planes in the sky ending an insane Obama era push to put travelers lives in the hands of incompetence hired for diversity reasons. There should be no DEI hires anywhere, but certainly not at the FAA, in medical schools, in residency programs, anything involving human life. Even the far left must see the insanity of it, whether they do or they don't.
It's stopping today at the FAA. He ordered the closure of all federal DEI offices, as I said a moment ago. He ordered the repeal Of LBJ's infamous executive order, which mandated affirmative action instead of merit-based hiring and federal employment and federal contracting. That's huge.
He prohibited the use of all racial discrimination or DEI at federal contractors and universities receiving taxpayer dollars. Now, let's just pause there. That is wonderful. I don't know how he enforced that. Prohibited the use of racial discrimination or DEI, which is the same thing. It is the same thing. Racial discrimination against whites is illegal.
It's illegal against blacks, against Asians. all the groups. It doesn't make it any better to do it against whites because the country has a history of doing it to blacks. It's just not the way the law is written, the civil laws, civil rights laws. So he's saying you can't racially discriminate at universities that get taxpayer dollars, which is almost all of them.
You can't use DEI at these universities. I mean, Nicole, you know as well as I do, there's going to be a revolt. You can't tell these universities that because they won't listen.
You know, the conversation is happening. I was just on a phone call yesterday with a farmers association that went woke because it felt like it had to. And as a result, this farmers association wasn't actually able to do the things for the farmers that the farmers were asking. And so they went irrelevant.
And that's what these policies do is they make institutions that need to get stuff done irrelevant at best. At worst, it makes them dangerous. In the case of the fire department in L.A., These policies are dangerous policies. They normalize this idea of failing upwards, something that my friends and I are noticing all the time. It's these people are failing and they're getting promoted.
And these positions are not ceremonial. They are being treated as if they are ceremonial. These are not ceremonial roles. These are roles requiring execution, performance, excellence, competition. Competition is good. It's good for the people. It's good for the economy. And it's necessary for the execution of duties.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, we've taken a massive step away from that, as you know, and this is the public's rejection. His election is the public's rejection of that nonsense. So I don't know what's going to happen at these universities. That telling them that they are not allowed to use DEI if they receive taxpayer dollars. I just I think they're just going to ignore it.
So the question is, how how does that get enforced? You know, does Trump actually pull the federal dollars when we get complaints?
Yeah. Well, I can tell you ways that they can redact applicant information to take out anything related to race. I've worked on an A.I. that actually does that. That A.I. exists. It's being actually used in some district attorney's offices across the country to redact out any information about race and race. languages spoken and background. I mean, so it's possible to execute very seamlessly.
And I can argue it's actually a good use of AI. There's many bad, misguided uses of AI. But, you know, there's ways to enforce it. I don't know that you necessarily want to enforce it. It is in the best interest. Like, the market demands... that we get beyond race-based dictation of policies.
And so I believe that it is truly in the best interest of these universities because they're going to shoot themselves in the foot when these individuals go out into the world and they've basically been taught that they can fail up. And they're going to be required to compete again in the market. And those individuals are not good donors to the universities down the road.
So it's really, really, I think, in everyone's best interest, just going back to basic economics, like we need competition. We need real competition. And policies that weaken our institutions, it's cannibalistic. They're cannibalizing their own reputations.
It's also illegal. I mean, it's blatantly illegal. You may not hire based on race at all. It cannot even be a factor. That's really clear under the law. We just pretended for a few years that those laws did not exist. And Trump's 100% right. This is unconstitutional. This is unlawful to hire based on race at all, if they even consider hiring.
A person being black, white, brown, Asian, whatever, doesn't matter. It's unlawful. So they're going to ignore that one at their peril. What he's saying here is we're going to enforce the law. And they're going to have battles, Nicole, because we played this a while ago. I don't know if you remember this case because you're out in California.
It happened at Stanford Law when Erwin Chemerinsky, who's the dean out there, had a bunch of students who he had over to his home graciously to get together and talk about the law. turned it into a pro-Palestinian protest against him for like no particular reason and really got in his face and the face of his wife.
So he was in the news and he was alarmed and on his heels at the, he's at Cal Berkeley, sorry. He was alarmed and on his heels about how crazy the DEI has gotten to the point where, you know, these pro-Palestinian protesters couldn't see the awfulness of what had happened to the Israelis.
Well, he's hashtag part of the problem because Erwin Chemerinsky is on camera saying he's totally pro racial preferences when it comes to populating the staff at UCAL Berkeley. He knows he's not supposed to, but he just keeps it quiet. Here, watch this.
Ever I'm deposed, I'm gonna deny I said this to you. When we do faculty hiring, quite conscious that diversity is important to us. And we say diversity is important. It's fine to say that. But I'm very careful when we have a faculty appointments committee meeting. Anytime somebody says, we should really prefer this candidate or this candidate because this person would add diversity.
Don't say that. You can think it, you can vote it, but our discussions are not privileged. So don't ever articulate that that's what you're doing.
That's what we're up against.
Yeah. Yeah. It's misguided and it's misdirected. It's oddly destructive, self-destructive. And we're up against it, but I think that these individuals also know that it's not producing the kind of academic rigor that their predecessors trained them into. And so... And I understand that there's, again, you have to realize that there's outside influences for this, just blatant Marxist influences.
And it's deeply, deeply misguided. I oftentimes ask people, I'm like, well, what is it going to take to realize that our American system of merit and egalitarianism is at stake, is it going to take your house burning down, right? Like, you know, because that's happening, right? People's homes are literally burning down because of these policies. And for many, that has been the case.
Is it going to take your grandmother getting robbed on the streets of San Francisco to wake up? I'll tell you, amongst the Asian community, that has been the case and they have woken up. If you they have many of the, you know, California's home to a diversity of Asian-Americans and and they're sick and tired of this as well.
You know, growing up in a community is the reason that affirmative action fell at universities. They filed that lawsuit saying that. This cannot be, you cannot discriminate on the basis of race in admissions in 2024, it was, and the Supreme Court finally agreed. Sorry, keep going.
Yeah. Look, it's like the homes. I was raised in a home with a Chinese mother and, you know, it is all about working hard. It is all about going to work and doing a good job and earning your way and realizing it's not always fair. And sometimes you'll be looked over for a promotion, but that doesn't mean that you try to burn the place down.
It means that you have to work harder and find good mentors and learn how to work within a community of people all from different backgrounds.
um and and to really deliver value um for your organization and and for the people that you serve if you're in a client-based industry it's showing up and making sure your clients are happy i mean some of these dei policies i've seen have encouraged people to turn on their own clients to turn on their patients and say well it's their fault they don't know what they're talking about
And it creates the spoiled entitlement that, you know, the people that I grew up with, you know, the people who said work hard and you can overcome poverty. None of us recognize this new world of race based entitlement. It's very, very bizarre.
Yeah. Mm-hmm, and just so destructive. So it's wonderful to see Trump doing this. You mentioned the LA fires. I know you live a little north of that. You're in Northern California, but the debate that's unfolded in the wake of this, and it's ongoing now that Palisades fire is I think 63% contained. And I just heard my pal Janice Dean saying on Fox News this morning, they expect rain this weekend.
So that's good in the area. We're hoping and praying that's true. But, you know, the whole thing has been a level of incompetence that we haven't seen in recent history. I mean, it's just been absolutely devastating. And the intense focus by the LAFD on DEI and promoting the fact that the fire chief is a lesbian and so are her top two lieutenants, which no one cares about at all.
She just keeps introducing it into the national conversation, has led to a lot of commentary, mostly on the right. But To his credit, enter Bill Maher on the matter on his show this past Friday. And here's a little bit of that.
Look me in the eye and tell me anyone could have done worse. We just got our ass kicked by fire. The good news is our fire chief is a lesbian. Am I against a lesbian being chief? Of course not. Do I think a lesbian can do the job? Of course I do. And maybe she's the best person for the job.
Or maybe they really wanted a lesbian in that job, and she's just the best lesbian for the job, and with essential services, that's not good enough. Crowley's official bio says, Chief Crowley leads a diverse department, creating, supporting, and promoting a culture that values diversity, inclusion, and equity while striving to meet and exceed the expectations of the communities.
Well, you didn't exceed my expectations, which was that the whole city wouldn't burn down.
Fair. I... Again, I would love someone to do a great job in their role. I wish that she was successful. I wish that we didn't have to have this conversation. I wish that DEI policies weren't such a massive failure for the public.
um i am a classic liberal who you know loves to see diversity in the state of california but it has to be around egalitarian merit and that is not what's happened here our controller who manages the finances of our state she ran on dei and that was pretty much her biggest platform You cannot make that your biggest platform when you are running for these roles. I'm sorry, it is inappropriate.
It is not what makes you qualified for these roles. What makes you qualified for these roles is your understanding of how to execute very, very well. And in the case of L.A. and the fires, we needed... reservoir full. We needed the departments well-funded. We needed the fleets of vehicles properly maintained. And that wasn't happening.
And again, the problem with DEI, why DEI failed was because they treated it as ceremonial. Um, it, it's very misguided. And if you hear the talk in these communities, it's very much, you know, the whites had their time. Now it's time for us.
And they treat it as it's, as if it's the ceremonial passing, um, from, of the guard, the, from, from one group of ethnicities to another group of ethnicities, but that is wrong. That is not how you govern. I'm sorry. And, um,
Yeah.
It really, really doesn't work. And, you know, the idea of diversity is wonderful, but it can't be racist. And so, you know, again, they're conflating two terms, diversity and the function of racism. And so it's problematic. We need to go back to common sense. Common sense requires us to look at an individual for their work and their actions and that alone and not for their skin color.
It's so crazy. I mean, I hear you say on behalf of all white people, our time is not over. It's not just like it's not over for Asians or brown people or black people. It is the American people's time. That's it. Irrespective of your color, you've got a shot. Work hard. Try harder. Look at J.D. Vance. He has zero, zero family advantages other than love and a grandma who really believed in him.
He had a drug addled mother. His father abandoned him. He's now our sitting vice president. It doesn't it's there's no it's over. That's Ibram X. Kendi thinking that, you know, you're you're saying some people believe in where the answer to pass discrimination against one group is current discrimination against another group. That's morally wrong and it is illegal.
My white children have just as much of a shot and have absolutely no burden on them because of ancestry that as a black child does down the road, you know, or in the inner city, even somebody with less financial advantage, which is actually a greater hill to climb. It's just absurd. And finally, Trump is saying, no, we're not doing that. We're not letting.
You know, in particular, white boys and white men be the current, you know, payors for all of America's prior sins. That's totally insane. We're not doing it anymore. Here's one more. Keeping going on the things he did yesterday, ordered federal buildings worldwide to stop flying the pride flag, which the left had turned into a de facto second national flag around the world. That's exactly right.
Good. I'm glad it's coming down. I have zero tolerance for any flag other than the stars and stripes on any federal building. That's it. This is not a time to promote anybody's agenda. No one's. Not women's. Not LGBTQ. Not blacks. Nobody. That's it. It's America. That's what we used to be about. Our shared purpose. Our shared love of country. Go look at Nicole's ads if you don't believe me.
And then here's what I wanted to ask you about. He launched the Stargate project. This is the big, quote, infrastructure announcement he made yesterday. A collaboration with Silicon Valley, just so our audience knows, you used to be married to the co-founder of Google, aimed at cementing America as the global leader in emerging AI technology. You talked about how you've done some AI stuff.
Now, can you talk about this? Because the AI thing... I don't totally understand it. with plans to pour up to $500 billion into Stargate, and it's supposed to create 100,000 U.S. jobs, build data centers around the country, and it's going to ensure that we remain ahead of China in the AI arms race, which I don't really understand.
But I do understand Elon Musk weighing in to say they don't have anywhere near that much money. It was kind of interesting because Elon's his best tech friend, but he came out and kind of poured cold water over this whole thing. So what's your take on it?
Yeah, so I'm a early AI developer. I started developing AI over 10 years ago, sold an AI business in 2020, have been involved actively at Stanford Law on issues around AI, AI governance, human alignment of AI. And there's a few arms races happening right now. Yes, there is the national arms race, but there's also a race within the United States happening right now.
And I, along with many others, were very curious, watching with great interest what went on in yesterday's conference for Stargate AI. Because the arms race that's happening in the United States is between a few groups. Most notably, there's the Elon Musk AI team, and then there's a Sam Altman AI team. And if you look at the history between Elon and Sam, they were once-
And then had a major fracturing, major fracturing. And when I look at the world of Google and Microsoft and their founders, they're kind of more, you know, there's many, many dots on the board, right? And they're all different. vying for the top position in AI. And of course, the government contractors around AI, that's going to be very, very major.
And so we're watching this all unfold in real time right before our eyes. The thing that had the Maha community up in arms was the comment by Larry Ellison yesterday on using AI to develop a cancer vaccine through the mRNA. Wait, let me just play that. I have that, Nicole.
I'm going to play that and then you react to it. Here he is.
So you can do early cancer detection. You can do early cancer detection with a blood test. And using AI to look at the blood test, you can find the cancers that are actually seriously threatening the person. Once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer.
And you can make that vaccine, that mRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically, again, using AI in about 48 hours. So imagine early cancer detection the development of a cancer vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you and have that vaccine available in 48 hours. This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future.
Go ahead.
People heard that and they were really up in arms, especially folks who understand that what we need for the mRNA platform right now is a moratorium. It's not ready for human use. Many people will explain why. One of the major reasons is that it delivers an inconsistent result in individuals. So you could be deploying the mRNA as it was. I think it was 700 million Americans received it.
700 million doses. Yeah. Doses went out. Yeah, sorry, 700 million doses. Thank you for that correction. And amongst those, the estimate is around 5% doesn't deliver as expected into the host, and you don't know what dose or what individuals that's going to happen in. So many of the turbo cancers we're seeing, many of the blood clots,
I sent you and your team a paper about how it's showing up in ovaries long after the date, how the shedding can even impact... The shedding from an individual who received the vaccine can impact someone who didn't take the vaccine.
And now there's a study showing that women who didn't take the vaccine but were around someone who was shedding after receiving the vaccine were having irregular menstrual cycles because it was showing up in their ovaries. So...
One of the things that I think is really important, and this is an argument for issues that I know this group of people cares about, the Stargate people, they care about the economy, they care about competitiveness, they care about the population.
And in order for our population to grow, to be strong, to be fully able-bodied, and for our economy, our human economy to thrive, we do need a moratorium on the mRNA for the time being. And I understand how many people are so impressed by this, especially computer engineers. They think that you can program the human body as you program an AI system, as you program a computer system.
And the trouble with that mentality is that nature and, you know, we don't even have models and the science around how nature works and how our bodies interact. with nature, there's a element to it that when you interject something like the mRNA vaccine, there's a huge amount of stochastic randomness that can occur.
And so these, you know, if you see some of the uproar on X today about that, that's individuals who understand this pretty deeply, and they're very concerned about And yes, yes, there's something very, very impressive about the mRNA platform. I mean, how wonderful if it worked 100 percent of the time and with a great deal of reliability. But but we do need a moratorium on it for the time being.
So it's not Russian roulette to take it. Exactly. Exactly. And as I said, AI is a computer system. Health, human health is not. It is not. And so there are some good uses of AI in the world. And for those, I'm always happy to be a resource on. For instance, I was just with a farmer and we were coming up with a farm plan.
And I was like, man, I would love if there was an AI that could help me model the phases of deploying a new pasture, raised chicken operation on this lot, on this very specific lot here in California. Wouldn't that be great? Because farmers are really struggling financially. And That's actually a really great economic use of AI. There's so many.
I could think of about 250 things that could have been shared in yesterday's conference that are really excellent uses of AI, and I didn't really hear them. Instead, I heard a few that were kind of out there and if deployed correctly. too quickly could lead to an extinction event. And so I think we have to be careful.
Well, I mean, let's not forget the mRNA vaccine was developed under Trump. Operation Warp Speed was Trump's. And I'm not sure what lessons he's taken from the vaccine injuries that started popping up and they were snuffed out by the media and they were ignored by the Biden administration, not to mention Big Pharma.
But now we have a new sheriff in town, and we'll see whether Trump's on board with that. I think he takes credit for the vaccine. He feels proud of the vaccine. I don't know how much he is going to listen to vaccine injury stories around mRNA. But it felt to me like Larry Ellison was kind of ahead of his skis on that. Like, I'm into arms race against China. I want to win against China.
I don't know if I'm into... like experimental cancer vaccines that have the same Russian roulette effect. And I'll just say one other thing about it, Nicole, which is one of my biggest reasons for believing in the vaccine during COVID was I naively thought it was
If there's some significant injury rate with a vaccine like this, that there'll be 700 million doses in the United States, there's no way big pharma won't cure it, won't put everything they have into rectifying the damage they caused, right? There'd just be too many Americans suffering. They'll have too much money. They have all this immunity.
They will want to cure the problem that they helped cause. And I was totally wrong about that. We're still in the complete denial phase.
Unfortunately, that's the case. And I will say that had the mRNA platform worked as they had hoped, that is something to be proud of. And I would say the speed at which it was deployed in a regular environment where you would have time to test and you had free speech, because remember, free speech was taken away, so that feedback loop was removed. Really important feedback loop.
And that was removed. And so now we have free speech again. Thank you very much, President Trump. This is time for us to talk about it reasonably and logically. And it is not unusual for advancements in biotech to scale back and to come back to the lab, to come back to the researchers. Moratoriums have happened throughout civilization on technological advances, and they're important.
And I think that it is time for us to really ask for a global moratorium on the mRNA platform. It needs more time. We need to really understand- So we can figure out-
what the risks are. Yeah. I've, I've completely lost my own trust in big pharma completely. And I think that's appropriate. Um, RFKJ of course is not on board with, I think this kind of thing, he won't be running the new AI venture. Ideally, if it gets confirmed, he's going to be running the national institutes of health. Um,
And he doesn't yet have a confirmation hearing scheduled, they say, because they're asking for more information. You know, they want to have all their ammo against him before they dig in. But we're starting to see a preview of some of the attacks they're preparing. They're not all from Democrats, though mostly. But Mike Pence's group, they're very against him because they're very, very pro-life.
And, you know, RFKJ's more pro-choice. Though, you know, there's a real question about how much he's going to be weighing in on that in the new role. I think he understands the Trump administration is pro-life. Anyway, here's what Mike Pence said. RFK has expressed support for conspiracy theories involving vaccines and Wi-Fi. That's where he starts. I was like... Is that true? I'm open-minded.
So I went to my doctor. My doctor said, get the vaccine. In no way is he new agey, right? I think he would laugh at the conversation we just had, frankly, about mRNAs. He's like that. But he said there are studies suggesting that a certain amount of at least EMF,
you know, like radio frequent radiation frequency coming out of like your outlets, your devices, and yes, your wifi can be disruptive and potentially deeply problematic, especially to children.
He, and he sent me the studies that are being circulated within sort of the mainstream medical community, but now it gets reduced Nicole to a weird conspiracy theory that this weirdo RFKJ is pushing and a reason he can't be confirmed.
Yeah, I'm surprised to hear that from Pence. And when I hear that, I hear, well, big pharma and big telecom, big tech is in his pocket. That's what I hear.
But I have to believe that someone like Pence, who, you know, really cares about the dignity of life, is a pro lifer, can understand that some of these vaccines, especially the HPV, are actually really hurting women's abilities to conceive and to bring a child to bear. In some cases, there's been reports of the mRNA vaccine causing miscarriages, premature bleeding, babies dying.
I mean, it's so I think, you know, vaccine injury is real. Concern about vaccine injury is a duty of anyone in government right now. And it's hard for me to reconcile that you could be both so pro-life and so ignorant to these things happening today. And again, on the EMF and electrochemical pollutants that impact our body or these electrochemical processes that happen within our body,
Again, it doesn't reconcile that you could be both a pro-lifer and not understand that women of childbearing age are experiencing cancer at rates never before seen. And these women are going to undergo treatments that are going to impact their ability to conceive and bear a child. That's a great point. Yeah, so that doesn't reconcile.
And I think that if you are a pro-lifer and you really care about these babies coming into the world because you are someone that believes that life is sacred, you cannot ignore these things that are happening right now.
on this one. you know, this sort of EMF thing, this RF thing, like the wifi and the number of plugs and the number of electronics in your house. This is the article here. Here's the abstract in part from what he sent me from the NIH. Okay. And this is, this is in part how it reads EMF exposure or, um, electromagnetic fields. That's under like a certain size.
He says, uh, it reads a developing child's brain is vulnerable to EMF radiation. Thus their caregivers concerns about the health effects of EMFs are increasing. EMF exposure is divided into two categories, extremely low frequencies involving high voltage transmission lines and in-home wiring and radio frequencies, RFs involving mobile phones, smart devices, base stations, wifi, and,
and 5G technologies. The biological effects of EMFs on humans include stimulation thermal, non-thermal, the latter of which is least known, among the health issues related to EMFs. The most important issue is human carcinogenicity.
According to the International Agency for Research on Cancers, evaluation of the carcinogenic risks to humans, these ELFs and RFs were evaluated as possible human carcinogens and goes on from there. My point is, Mike Pence doesn't have a medical degree. Mike Pence doesn't have a lifetime acting as a lawyer to look into things like this, like RFK does.
But Mike Pence thinks that he can kill RFK's nomination because of the life issue by sneaking in these other issues to make him look like a kook. And you tell me, Nicole, how many other people are trying to do that to him? They just dismiss him out of hand as a nutcase instead of saying, What if what he's saying is actually true?
First, I want to comment on kudos to your doctor for sending you that paper. It really makes me happy to hear that those doctors exist out there. That's great. But to answer your question, it's beyond misguided. I mean... RFK has come out and he has been so consistent in saying that every abortion is a tragedy.
And that he's not one of these folks that conflates the right to bodily autonomy argument to... Let's all just get an abortion. Abortions are great. Let's celebrate abortions. Now, that's weird. RFK has never, ever been on that side of the bodily autonomy argument. I mean, that's way out there. Celebrating abortions is... oddly say it's just odd. There's satanic elements to it.
That is not the case of RFK Jr. at all. This is a man that loves life. He loves children. He loves seeing people thrive and And he is a deeply concerned person that has dedicated his entire life to making sure that the conditions for a beautiful life remain on this planet. And he has worked tirelessly at that and has surrounded himself with really, really good people. That was the highlight.
of my experience joining the campaign was meeting the people at Children's Health Defense, meeting these mothers that have dedicated their whole, whole lives to fighting against the blindness and the inconsistency and the corruption that is hurting children.
And so I really think that if you are sitting in a Senate seat right now and you care and you're a person of God and you really do care about the sanctity of life, this is our shot. This is our shot to reverse that. the rates of cancer, to reverse the rates of autism, to reverse the rates of miscarriages and family members struggling to conceive.
I mean, we can invest in the sciences and use this massive technological advancement that's going on more broadly, but we can direct it properly. There are a few people set up to do that well in the world right now. And RFK Jr. is a real shot. And so I plead this case to those in the Senate. You know, this is this is going to feel it's going to feel like our country can exhale in relief.
when we see RFK and that team heading HHS.
Right on. Already you're getting groups like the outgoing FDA chairman saying, look, calm down. Because if you think it's going to be easy to reform a group like this, think again. Maybe 10 years, maybe 20 years down the line, but But if they put into place some of these changes they're talking about on like preservative free food, you're going to have a farm shutdown.
You're going to tank the economy. There are very powerful interest groups that will be at play here no matter who's running FDA. And, you know, right now we think it's going to be Marty McCary, who's great. And RFKJ, I'm sure, will have a lot of input and so on. But what do you make of that pushback, Nicole, that it's like... calm down. It can't be done. Washington is Washington.
I hear it. Look, the Red 3 ban just happened. Look how much celebration that caused. Red 40 is up next. And these are like tiny, tiny advancements compared to what needs to happen. So it's true. This is going to be a lot of conversation. We're going to have to have the right people in these roles who understand how to navigate this atmosphere. And we have to have consensus builders.
And we have to have individuals who aren't going to side pocket lobbyist dollars to trade, you know, one thing for another. And it really is a consolidation issue. of efforts on behalf of the people. And we have to prioritize things from, you know, mandates to consumer goods. Like these are completely different categories. One of the topics that I think is worth visiting is
you know, the spraying that's happening in the sky. Like, people didn't consent to some of these sprays, right? They didn't consent. They don't know. They're not aware of it. Like, where is the informed consent? So the categories around informed consent are different. Wait, what are you talking about?
What is the spraying in the skies? Do you mean over crops?
Well, that's one form of stirring. But the spring that I'm alluding to is the weather modification, the geoengineering projects, which have been around for decades. It used to be silver oxide. And, you know, there are contracts such as in the UAE. They do cloud seeding. This is very well known, established technology.
science and it's pretty common amongst those in the world of weather and climate. And the problem is that we've kind of skipped over the consent phase of these operations and public disclosure. So and the same with, you know, certain outcomes of of the mRNA platform, which were mandated onto people and they didn't have true informed consent.
So there's a few categories that I think that that work. are worth our government really prioritizing over consumer categories where people have a choice, like people have a choice to read a label and not consume Red 40. And again, we shouldn't like,
overlook the fact that it's highly carcinogenic and we should get that out of our food supply and we definitely shouldn't be subsidizing um these companies in any way um but but then there's this other category of you know stuff is entering individuals bodies across the country and and they don't have the ability to consent to it if they're outside on the coastline and you see
Some of these geoengineering projects overhead, that comes down. It's inhaled. It ends up in our soil. It ends up in our water. We can't control it. And so that's where government needs to protect the sovereignty of the individual.
I want to know more about that. I don't know about the weather modification and then the cloud seeding, and I would like to. So let's put a pin in that one and make another date because it sounds like you have a lot of expertise on it, Nicole, as so many other things in the Maha movement.
Thank God that Trump won and RFKJ won and we won and that I know you'll have a major voice on a lot of these issues. Thanks for being here today.
Thank you. I really do believe we have a real chance.
Yes, me too. For the first time in so long. And you know, we haven't even scratched the surface. You know, RFKJ is determined to get those big pharma ads off of TV, which entice people into buying medication or pushing for medication that they don't necessarily need, which can cause other problems. It's just, we've been taken advantage of so much by big pharma.
I realize they've done some good, but man, they've done a lot of bad too. Let's be honest. Nicole Shanahan, everybody. Coming up, Sasha Stone is here. Don't miss Sasha. Here's a shocking truth about New Year's resolutions. Whether you want to lose weight, improve your energy, or beat that embarrassing post-meal bloat, nothing's going to work if your gut is not healthy first.
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If the left wants to understand the attraction of MAGA, they need to read Sasha Stone's substack and stop canceling her and listen to her podcast of the same name, Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone. Sasha, welcome back to the show.
Oh my God, it's so great to see you, Megan. I mean, it's been the last time I think I talked to you, you had no, it was, there was no set. There was like, I don't even think you were on Sirius yet, right? That's probably right.
I think I am your number one fan. Like I'm fangirling out right now. No, stop. Truly. I never miss an episode. I encourage everybody to download the podcast. There's something incredibly soothing about your voice and your storytelling. It's a journey. Yes, it's newsy too, but it's not like I'm going there for news. Obviously, I have a lot of sources I can go to for news.
I'm going there to hear your unique take on the news in like a soothing, entertaining, clever, transformational way. I absolutely love it.
You'll have to excuse me. I'm going to go pass out in the other room. I can't believe Megyn Kelly just said that to me. I am your huge fan. I listen every day. Today I was like, oh, now I'm not going to get to listen to Megyn's show. Oh, I am on Megyn's show. Well, I am delighted to share you with it.
I'm delighted to share you with our audience because I think they're going to love everything you do just as much as I do. And so let's talk about your backstory. I know we talked about it a bit before, but let's do it again for those who didn't hear that episode because we're bigger now. And a lot's happened since you were last on, as you pointed out, it was a long time ago.
So just like you're a California girl, right? You grow up like I did in the 70s and you stumble into a career, I think it's fair to say, as a Hollywood critic, as a film critic and somebody who became very popular and sponsored by studios at Awards Daily. That was your website or blog that was very well supported and important.
I mean, it was beloved by the Hollywood crowd, which is really the crowd that matters when you're doing that kind of work.
Yeah. I think of myself really in a funny way as an Internet person first. Like I got online in 1999 and I became a early adopter building a Web site and, you know, talking to people. people from all over the world.
And so I built this site, OscarWatch.com, and it was starting to get popular enough that Hollywood was paying attention to me and they were saying things like, who is this person and what's she saying about the Oscars that we aren't controlling because the media controlled it back then so much. But I liked being a rabble rouser.
I liked busting up that whole system and I liked having a voice where people didn't really...
um see me as you i mean i'm not a video person i'm not like you megan i'm not you know i i i run from the camera i'm i'm horrified and terrified of it but so the internet gave me a chance to to kind of hide but as i stumbled into the oscars i just kept being guided by i have to tell the truth i have to tell what i think is true as opposed to what i know everybody else wants me to say but over time you know
The more money they throw at you, the more you're expected to kind of go along with what they want you to say. It's just like politics. Right. It's just like lobbyists. And the Democratic Party is just like Hollywood, the way that it's run. And I look around the Oscar scene right now and I'm I'm embarrassed for how having contributed to it, you know.
I didn't start getting into politics until 2015. And I became a Hillary, a devout Hillary supporter. And I spent every second of every day online arguing with Bernie bros, arguing with Trump supporters and saying, we have to elect her. You know, the world will end if we don't. And and that got the attention of Neera Tanden and people in the in the Democratic Party.
And they singled me out as an influencer. And that's how I ended up being plucked from the Internet and put into this picnic with Joe Biden when he first announced he was running. And so it's really shocking to them that I turned the way that I did. It is because they didn't follow it from 2020 to now.
Mm hmm. It's shocking and it's upsetting. It does. You know, it reminds me of something I wanted to say. Obviously, I've gotten closer to Team Trump in the past year than I ever had been before. But I I make a point. of never asking them for anything. Like Trump asked me to speak in Pittsburgh and I said, yes. And team Trump asked me to speak the day before his inauguration and I said, yes.
But I asked them for nothing, nothing. I did not ask them for great seats at the inauguration festivities or ball tickets or anything like that because I don't wanna owe him anything. It's fine if he feels like I've done him a solid, but to do this job, honestly, I cannot owe him anything because then I would feel afraid to criticize him. So I totally get what you're saying.
If these, if the studios are paying your bills, you start to just bit by bit feel like, Oh God, am I free to say exactly what I want to say? Absolutely.
And in fact, they will write directly and say, take that post down or, you know, and the more money you make, You know, seriously, the more money that you make, the harder it is you get in a trap.
And I see all these other people that came up, these little bloggers that, you know, if you're if you're working like as a salesman and they're throwing all this money at you, what else are you going to do? You know, you're not going to be like, I'm going to say whatever I want to say. You can't. So it's just a little bit here, a little bit there. Yeah.
Jody Shaw, who I, you know, talked about on the show yesterday. And it takes a very strong person to just say what they actually feel when they aren't rich and they don't have a guaranteed income. And they have people, I know you have a daughter who they need to support and help. So, all right. So your life is going well. You're, you're doing it on your own. You're your own boss.
And then, and you're big Democrat. And then 2020 seems to be the beginning of the shift COVID. I mean, I would you, is it fair to market like COVID lockdowns and to like the Trump raid on Mar-a-Lago is like two big benchmarks in your transformation. Yeah.
Absolutely. Because the Trump parade was when I became a Trump voter and a Trump supporter. But before that, I was just I'm when I was on your show, even I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'm not a Trump voter. But and I had to say that because I knew the Trump line was one you cannot cross. You can be anti-cancel culture.
You can be critical of the studios, but you cannot say I support Donald Trump because he's considered, as you know, the world's greatest evil. Right. So So I have to be, I knew I had to do that. And if I ever did take that leap, it was going to be serious and it was going to hurt my business. I knew that. But at the same time, I knew that I'd been writing on my site for all these years.
Yeah.
So somebody did say that this past summer, right? Because I've been listening to you and I've been listening to you talk about how some friends and some people were abandoning you. They were getting on to the fact that you'd shown up at MAGA rallies. You weren't the Sasha they knew. And then the big takedown, quote unquote, happened this past summer. Was it Hollywood Reporter?
Yeah, it was it was a conscious decision by me to kind of go public, meaning I didn't I have two Twitter accounts. I didn't want to keep pretending to be one thing in my lockdown Twitter account and hiding on my other. I felt like a hypocrite. And I also knew someone was going to break the story because we were heading into the election and I was very much pro Trump by then. And I had to say.
This is what I think. And I also, to be totally honest, I wanted to join the fight. I wanted people to hear what I had to say. I wanted to refute tweets in public. I wanted to use my platform. But I had also had a conversation with the people who work for me saying, this is happening. We have to figure this out because it's going to happen.
And they understood and they were going to build their own site. They just kept putting it off. And then came the joke about white dudes for Harris, which I can say is the thing that ended my career. It's hilarious to me. But I think what happened was Richard Hania or Hanania or whatever his name is. He's on subsect two. I think he tweeted something mocking them.
And I retweeted it and I said, white power. But I grew up in the 80s. You grew up. You know, we we used sarcasm. We were not cowed and fearful. We were you know, we love jokes. We love to be. And so to me, it's the funniest joke to say white power about these people. But. Boy, they didn't like that. That was blasphemy.
You're mocking them. It's so obvious that you're mocking them. I was mocking them.
Yeah. And I didn't know that it was a problem until I heard from my friend who called me, my really good friend. And he said, what did you mean by that tweet? And I said, what are you talking about? I meant power to the white people. Yes. And then I was going to compound the problem by saying, what self-respecting white supremacist would claim white dudes for? It's like they just wouldn't.
But but that wouldn't go over have gone over very well either. And then another friend who works with me wrote me and said, you know. This is happening. It has millions of views. What's going on? And I said it was a joke. And he said, well, people aren't seeing it that way. I'm getting all these DMs. There's trouble.
And I didn't take it down at first until I heard from her, the journalist Rebecca Keegan, who DMed me and said, hi, Sasha, I just want to write, do a story with you. Would you like to talk to me? I was like, what? In 25 years, these people have never asked me. to do a profile on me, a single mother with a little baby who built a website, who launched an industry, who was a woman-owned business.
Never once did they do that profile that I always thought would be coming, like, look at what she built, look at what she did. But now, Rebecca Keegan at The Hollywood Reporter wanted to talk to me, so I knew what it was. Obviously, it was going to be a hit piece, and so I felt absolute terror. And and I said, are you going to write it anyway? And she said, yes.
And I said, OK, well, I'll talk to you. And I did. I talked to her for like two hours. Stupidly, Megan, stupidly. I need to learn how to not, you know, like not be so forthcoming because I said things I really wish I had said.
I didn't have to tell her all that stuff. They're not out for your best interests at all. No. I mean, with practice, you know, like that was a lesson you learned and then you'll learn more lessons and then you'll get it. Then you'll totally have it.
Yeah, but I'm just killing myself. Like, why did you say that? Why? Just give her what she needs to know. But I thought, I'm going to tell her my story, and she's going to understand it, and she's going to get it. But what I forgot was that if you're someone who wakes up with NPR, goes to sleep with NBC News and CNN and Rachel Maddow, there's no getting it. There's no way.
It's like trying to explain witchcraft, and that there's no witchcraft in Salem. Like, they are so... And so anyway, yes, it... And then I was terrified and horrified and I told my staff and they quit the site that day because they had to. They have to make a living. Oh, no. So they all immediately set up another site. That got into the story, too, because they told her.
And it sounded like they were all jumping ship and that they were abandoning me. And she made it sound like all of this was happening because of the tweet. But it was actually her story that was causing the fear. And so that's where things really got bad for me in ways that I could have never guessed. These are people that I knew. They were my friends, I thought.
Um, I have never felt, and I know you felt it, I know, but, um, I've never felt that way. It was like a punch in the stomach. It was, it made me sick and I was horrified. I felt like I was in the twilight zone. I kept thinking, this isn't really happening, is it? But it was, um,
So Apple pulled their ads that day, and usually when Oscar season is revving up, all the studios write me and they say, you know, could we buy inventory? And I sell out my inventory every year, which I couldn't believe anyway, by the way. Never. I could never believe that I made money doing this crazy thing. But that was it. Only one studio decided somehow... To advertise.
And so I'll always be grateful to them for that, that there was at least one that had the courage to say, you know, we value her voice. We're not afraid of the mob and we're going to advertise, you know?
No, I can relate to this just in that when we launched this show. The one thing I said to my partner at Red Seed Ventures, Chris Balfe, was don't give me any advertisers who don't have strong spines. I don't want somebody running at the first LGBTQ nasty letter about me saying men cannot become women. And I'm telling you, we haven't lost a single one.
Not a single advertiser has abandoned us at all over anything we've said. It's, it's been amazing and it's so freeing, right? So I feel like the destruction comes and then like a Phoenix, you will rise out of those ashes. and be better aligned with the people supporting you. And I really think like you got to get ads on your podcast.
I don't, I don't, I feel like there aren't any, I don't hear any ads in your, but you've got, you, you need to make money this way.
I'm not a very good. No, I know. I'm just not a very good business person that way. Like I, I, you know, my site is still for free. I don't even have a premium part of it, but no,
You need, you need, you need to make money like this. We will pay. I'm telling you, I myself would pay and I pay for almost none of this stuff. So I'm like, I consume so much, but I would definitely pay. And I would certainly listen to a couple of ads to listen to you. You, you got to do it. And I will help you do it. If you want me to connect you with Chris, who can help you do this.
And I will 100% tell him he has to help you. Yes, you can make money in this lane and you're very talented. You should make money in this lane.
Oh, thank you. And there is, I was listening, watching you tweet with the Tiger mom, Amy Chua. And you were saying to her that it was great that she stood up to Yale and she didn't walk out. And there's a part of me that thinks... that I want to stay in just for that reason. But the other part of me is like, I don't know how interested I am in it anymore. You know, the movies that good.
It's it's a corrupt. It's like the Democratic Party. It's corrupt. I mean, I like a lot of people in it. I like a lot of the movies. But I don't know. But a part of me, the fighter in me wants to, you know, continue to say things they don't want me to say.
Yeah. And I want to hear your take on these movies. I think there's such a huge market for people on the right half of the country who would like to hear the straight scoop on what's good, what's not good, what's woke and annoying and not worth our time. You know, could have used your two cents before I spent my time watching Conclave. Anyway. I'm sorry about that. I would 100% tune into that.
In addition to your political commentary, I would love to hear somebody who I know is sane and not woke analyze these films. And I can tell it's so fun. You have encyclopedic knowledge of films and I don't have encyclopedic knowledge, but I did grow up doing nothing other than watching television and movies.
I didn't exercise.
I didn't play sports.
I love your movie references. I know you are a movie fan. The other day, the movie you were talking about was Hannah and Her Sisters, the Woody Allen movie that had the death where he goes to different religions.
Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes, exactly.
That's right. Woody Allen's running around trying to figure out a new religion. And by the way, I saw Woody Allen at a restaurant last week in New York. No way. And he was there with his wife, Soon-Yi. And I have to say, I looked it up. He's 89 now. She's my age. She's 54.
And I, you know, hashtag goals to be out at a New York city restaurant on a Wednesday at 9 PM when you're 89 walking of your own power, hanging out with friends. They were there with two others. I have to say, I was kind of impressed. I think it's a lifetime of walking in New York that did it. And probably the joy that comes with doing what you want.
And his health. He's always been really weird about that. He always walks after dinner. He's very strict about his diet. Speaking of encyclopedic dogs, how do I know this about people? But I just do. But I love your movie references. And you bring them up all the time. Broadcast news, all the movies. And I always think she's a movie fan.
And there's so many movie fans that just don't watch movies anymore because the movies are so bad. I call it getting woked, like you did with Conclave. Now, Conclave is my one advertiser, so I'm Oh, then I'll support them insofar as that. But like I call it getting woke. Like with Twisters, I felt like I got woke because Twisters was supposed to be they were selling Glenn Powell as the hero.
And I was like, great, great. Finally, a movie that kind of seems like Top Gun Maverick, baby. But then I get there and it's like, no, it's not, because the smartest girl in the room also has to save the town from the tornado. And they put Glenn Powell in the barn and then they don't even let him kiss at the end. You know, it's like. A waste.
So I thought that's getting what you make of the big controversy over it ends with us.
Have you been following that on your show only? And on TikTok, they're obsessed with it on TikTok, by the way. That would be a great entry point for you. I, you know, I listened to your side of it and I had taken the other side of it at first. I thought I'm going to defend Blake Lively. Of course, that's that's the only information that was being given. But it's getting weirder, the story.
Like, there's layers of it now.
Can I tell you something? There's something going on that... So just today, I got my hands on this document that was just filed by Blake Lively's team. Her lawyers went into this California human rights office where she tried to launch this campaign against Justin Baldoni and complained, saying... That they should be shut down.
Justin Baldoni should be shut down from offering any public defense of these allegations because it's all retaliatory. Everything he does to defend himself, according to Blake Lively's lawyers, is retaliation against her. And truly, it's as if they're saying they can launch whatever public attack they want on him, but he cannot respond or it's retaliation against a sexual harassment victim.
It's totally absurd. And if it were true, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard never would have had the ultimate resolution that they had in the court of public opinion.
That's right. And I feel like hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Like, I feel like there's something more there. I don't know that this would all be happening if there wasn't some sort of deeper layer of feelings happening. I don't want to say that because I don't want to. Yes. But I mean, it's a little personal, you know. Yeah, it's my yes. It feels a little personal to me.
There's something a little more than just a career spat. I think there's there's a rejection of passion there that makes me wonder about what's happening behind the scenes in conversation with her husband and.
Now, I mean, I'll show this later because there's also a video that dropped today that totally disproves one of her most salacious claims against him. So her case is falling apart. That's why she's trying to shut him down from releasing further evidence or talking about it at all. And she's basically lost the public war in the opinions. And so she's trying to shut him up.
It's like, well, she didn't bank on him fighting back and actually winning. All right, but I want to get back to you and MAGA because one of the things I really love about you is... Much in the same way that Nicole Shanahan produced those... Remember the MAGA people video she did? Like the MAGA people in the 1950s, like aliens from space came down and observed the people. That's how you are.
You're able to describe MAGA and Trump and the movement in... In exactly that kind of way, like zoom out, who are they? What are they about? And I guess as good a place to start on that as any is the J6 pardons, which of course the left is melting down over.
Yeah. And I hear a lot of conservatives, too, like Jonathan Turley just tweeted something out. And I understand that. I've learned more about the law listening to your show than I've ever known about it. So I understand that there's a legal process that could have perhaps been taken seriously. to fix the problems and the cases.
And maybe we go through the, maybe it's five more years down the road, they finally get released and all that. And I get the part where he says that it's not, it's not a good thing to just blanket pardon these people. What I don't understand is them saying that Um, it's his militia army and that, you know, he, he incited an, um, an armed mom to attack the Capitol. It's just not true.
Um, and I, I was, I, I had a personal way into that because in 2020, part of my research to getting to know the world of the right was that I was listening to Steve Bannon's war room podcast. Um, And I listened to it a lot. And then so after the election, I felt as a Democrat that it had been rigged and that it was such a big rigging that we'd never have a fair election in this country again.
And so I'd left the Democratic Party, but I went back. over to MAGA because I had heard that they were gonna protest the election and that Trump was not accepting the results. And I thought, wow, really? That's wild. Of course, come to find later, we found out that the cabal that got together to try to rig the election had planned on him not accepting the results.
And in fact, I think they even planned on a mob attacking the Capitol. But if you followed the Stop the Steal, you knew what that was about. And if you didn't, you would never know because of the way the media has covered it. But with these guys, these patriots, they don't see themselves as violent, right?
When they show up at a state house or whatever, when they're armed, they're not trying to threaten violence. They're saying, if you attack me, I will defend myself because they think the left is the violent side. And they are. They are. I come from the left. This is a by any means necessary party. Right.
And so the MAGA, the same way that, you know, MAGA, they're not the breaking windows attacking government property party. They're just not. And and if you know that about them, you know, even Alex Jones was out there on the in D.C. saying no violence, peaceful, peaceful only. And so. For me, I thought when I heard about the riot, I thought, what is that? You know, what are they doing?
Like, that's not the MAGA I know, you know. And and so as I watched this whole thing play out and I saw how the media portrayed them and I saw how people talked about them and described them as terrorists, I. You know, I began to feel not just defensive of them, but but worried about the truth of what actually happened. You know, we know about the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping.
We know about what they did with with the Muslim men, the FBI entrapment case. So why wouldn't they if they knew something was coming to D.C. on January 6th? Why wouldn't they do that? Right.
I'm not saying that the FBI set it up, but I am saying that it's possible that the FBI informants looking for a payout could have been working with a separate group, not Trump's group, to get this whole thing going, you know, so that they had this proof, this thing that they had with the Gretchen Whitmer case, the same thing. You know, it was like, these are violent people.
They're a threat to our democracy. They're a threat to our country. And here's proof. Oh, yeah.
And it could be used against Trump. It could be used to potentially, as they tried, to impeach Trump so that he could, if they had their way, never run for office again. And to smear all of them, not just all of the Trump family, but all of MAGA, all of the Trump supporters.
And really, I think the end goal was never let him return to office, which is one of the reasons why it's so incredible he just got sworn in again.
never get tired of seeing that. It's just it is the greatest thing that's ever happened, I think, in American politics. And not just because, you know, I voted for him and I like I'm I'm happy with the way things are going now, but also because they deserved it. They deserved it. You know, you don't do that in America. You
So with the pardons, I thought that Trump was saying, you know, we're just going to let this go. These cases were corrupt. They had you know, they were they thought that they were fighting for me and that they were, you know, defending the democracy or whatever in their minds, even though he had nothing to do with it.
Because obviously Trump spent, if you read Ted Cruz's book, he spent an extensive amount of time trying to convince Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to argue in the Senate. And they were doing that finally. So why would he have wanted a violent riot when all that did was hand power to the Democrats? Not just power, but absolute power. They could get anything they wanted after that.
Look, it's done all the time in politics, you know?
Yeah. And it was used not only to, I mean, if they had managed to actually convict him on the impeachment, he would have done it. he wouldn't have been able to run again. But when that failed, then they used it over and over in Georgia and at the federal level to try to stop him, to put him in jail so that he couldn't return to power. I mean, they threw everything they had at him.
And we continue to hear about January 6th. Even before the pardons, it continued to be a theme. Barack Obama pushed it in the last hours of the campaign. So did Kamala. So did Joe Biden. It was their favorite theme. And now, yes, it'll be in the news for a while here, and then it will stop because people have lives to live. I just don't think anyone other than the left is obsessing over J6.
But let me ask you this as a lawyer. The fact that she came out and said this is like Pearl Harbor and 9-11, doesn't that convict them in the court of public opinion and in D.C. so that they can't even get fair trials? No. That was the goal, right?
That was the goal, completely antithetical to the duties of a prosecutor or a public figure who shouldn't be doing that. But we saw that repeatedly when it came to anything, not just Trump, but on the right. They're happy to weigh in and go with guilt before anything's proven. They just don't like it when it's done to their side.
I mean, what we've been seeing already is a media that remains unhinged, you know, like CNN with the it was a Heil Hitler thing with Elon. We put together just a random mashup of some of the media coverage of Trump's first day. You'll be shocked to see it's it's not measured. It's just for your entertainment. Take a look.
We just witnessed the first inauguration of a convicted felon.
Donald Trump has been president for a grand total of 11 hours, and he wasted no time imposing his will on American government.
It is remarkable that he said in his inaugural address that I was saved by God, not talking about personal redemption in terms of his religious experience as a private individual. To claim that God sent you is something that we don't expect in political life. We expect it in other parts of life.
The obsession of Trump's rhetoric is always a theme of national decline. It's a little like a cult leader who keeps predicting different days for the end of the world. This was the inauguration of the oligarchs.
He has decided to make good on his promise to be a dictator on day one.
I don't really love that everybody's just participating in this farce. The cruelty is the point of this coming administration, so it is very hard for me to look at this spectacle... of the takeover of the United States.
MSNBC having themselves a normal one, Sasha.
Oh, my God. I don't understand. I look at that and I just feel sadness because I feel like they don't have a chance. You know, we don't have a chance. If this is our media, we don't have a chance. It's the same thing it's been for the last, what has it been, eight years of this by now?
Are they ever going to give us a break and say, we're going to stop all this hysteria and we're going to kind of get back to America the way that... We all remember it as a normal country. Do you think anybody in L.A.
is going to learn this lesson, you know, in the wake of the collapse there, the fires and the Democrat policies and ineptitude being outed?
No, no, I don't because they don't have a chance. It's so hard to explain to people. And when I tried, when I said, look, I was in a bubble and you're in a bubble too, like I just sound insane to them. They don't understand that your whole worldview is shaped by those around you, by your social media algorithms, by the media that you consume. And so to you, that's normal, right?
So imagine being one of these people that thought that Trump was Hitler. The idea that he was ever Hitler is absurd, but how does a country survive? How does a culture survive? How does Hollywood survive? How did the Democrats survive? being that disconnected from reality?
And how do we get back to a place where, you know, that's the thing about the right is they have their problems, but there's not a delusion. There's not as much delusional thinking because there are so many people who are allowed to dissent. You know, you're one of them. You won't hold back if you're bad about something.
You know, you don't just say, oh, I'm going to stay loyal to Trump or loyal to whatever. And that's that exists on the right. It doesn't exist on the left. Not anymore. True.
You know, it's funny because at the inauguration, you saw like Snoop Dogg. He was there after he said Trump was a white supremacist. He'd been ripping Trump and MAGA, a new one, just as recently as like a year, year and a half ago. And he's seen the light. He played at the Crypto Ball, which was the David Sachs ball. He's the new crypto czar. He played and celebrated Trump.
I saw Vince Vaughn was at the Starlight Ball. I don't remember him ever ripping on Trump, but that's kind of an act of courage for someone as mainstream, right? It's like John Voight was at the Trump rally with me. He's an open conservative. He's been very unabashed about his politics for a long time. I don't know. Vince Vaughn's not really in that category, but he was there.
Carrie Underwood playing. That was an act of courage, too. Like, I definitely think the dam has broken, at least for the strongest Hollywood types to be able to say they're Republican or they like Trump or they're open minded to him.
Right. Well, what they have is a collapsed empire. And so it's it's it reminds me a little bit and people are going to be horrified by this. And I apologize in advance. Please don't splash it all over social media, I guess, too late. But it reminds me of the South after the Civil War, because it was kind of like they refused to accept defeat. They held on to the past.
But it didn't matter because the world moved on without them. And that's what's happening now. The world is just moving on without the left. And I think that a lot of people, especially black men, are really into Trump. You know, he's cool now. And so I feel like they... They want to be in the cool side. You know, they want to be on the masculine side.
That's why all the athletes were doing the Trump dance. And on TikTok, it's a whole different vibe because Trump is cool on TikTok, right? You have his granddaughter, Kai Trump. She's huge. She's an influencer now. Her little video on Trump got like a million views in like 15 minutes or something like that. She's hugely popular. Wow. He's popular with the young. He's cool.
Like they wear MAGA hats, as you pointed out, but to be cool. Right. I'm going to walk around town in my MAGA hat because I feel rebellious and edgy. Yeah. So and I feel sad for the left. I feel sad that they're still stuck. I feel sad that the people in Hollywood feel like they have to fear me the way that they do. Like, get over yourself.
They're still getting together for their white dudes for Harris meetings.
Like, how pathetic. I'm so sad. I lost my headphones.
I wonder if they know that they're viewed as pathetic. Talk about being uncool. It's not just the guys either. You see these videos all over social media of, like, these young, hot women with, like, Trump bikinis, the MAGA bikinis, like, dancing.
Oh, my God, I know.
Right? It's just a totally, I hate that term, vibe shift, but it is one.
It is one, especially on TikTok. If you're a hot female, you want to be MAGA, right? That's where the boys are, right? You're not, and they're hot dudes. Hot dudes. Hot dudes for Trump. It's true. Instead of hot dudes for Harris. But so just to circle it back, which is that You know, I get it about January 6th. I understand. But I also see the bigger picture. I see what they've all been through.
I see that they've been treated like second class citizens for so long. And somehow we forgave all the people who lost their minds in the summer of 2020. But we can't forgive them. And that's because it's race related for them. They see the Trump people as white and the protesters as black.
And they see it all defined with their reversed hierarchy, which, you know, is what woke is woke ism or whatever you want to call it. But that's how the courts saw it, too. And to me, that's wrong. I don't know anything about the law, but it seems to me that that's intent. And they can't know intent.
Well, I mean, my feeling on it is, okay, maybe it was intent. Maybe they proved it in an individual case here or there. Maybe they didn't. We'll never know on the BLM rioters because they didn't charge them. They didn't charge the worst of the worst. I mean, Antifa was getting away with violent assaults of civilians, cops, and it wasn't just Antifa.
It was regular leftists turn after turn, and we'll never know how the courts would have handled them For the most part, if anybody got arrested, they got let right out and then paid reparation damages by their cities who were apologizing to them for arresting them. At first, they said, spare me. I don't feel bad at all. I really don't.
I have to say, I don't have one degree of horror at the J6 pardons. Not one. Like, If I'd been in charge, I probably wouldn't have pardoned the most violent, but I don't care. I'm not in the least worked up about the fact that they got commutations. I feel like let's move on. And until you're going to go back and charge all those BLMers, spare me. No, exactly.
And just really quickly, I wanted to tell you this story that I started driving across country in like 2020. And I got pulled over by a cop in like, I don't know, Illinois or something. And it was right during the protests and stuff. And he pulled me over and I looked at him and I said, how are you doing? How's it going? And he said, not good. And he started to tear up.
And I just thought the pain we've caused. over our madness and our hysteria. And now people would say, well, at least he has his life and he's not George Floyd and he's not killed or whatever. But This was a man who was working as a law enforcement officer who said that all of his friends were retiring, leaving the force. They all felt terrible because all of America thought they were racists.
And we all went along with this and we're expected to go along with it for months and months. And then the Democrats turn around and say, oh, you know, we're the side that cares about cops. No, you're not. You know, you never were. You're the side that said cops were systemically racist. Defund the police. That's who you are.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, all right. I, um, I want to end with this. I have something that I think will be of comfort to you as a Californian. And that is Kamala Harris is gone, but she's not forgotten. And she went out to the LA wildfires as her first post vice presidency act. And I mean, she really, she had a lovely profundity for those of you out there.
I think this is really going to buoy your mood. Sasha, just take a listen, take a listen.
strangers who in the face of that stranger they see a neighbor um these are folks who understand the the strength and the value of community which is everyone coming together with a shared sense of purpose and identity as a community of people what is she talking about nobody knows what is she talking about
It's amazing.
At least she's consistent. We can give her that.
No, that's so I don't understand what her play is here. She's actually going to make a run for it. Please make a run for it.
Twenty eight. Please do it. Do it. Well, at the presidential level. I mean, I worry for you Californians because if she ran out there, I suppose it's possible she could win as the governor of California, given how blue it is. But Kamala Harris is never going to be president of the United States. Never. Never.
I don't even think she can make governor because if she does run, someone will run against her and they will beat her. She's just not. I'm sorry. She could be a prosecutor, whatever. She can't be politician.
No, she's proven that time and time again. Okay, so everybody needs to go on the podcast right now and download, just search Sasha Stone and it will come up. Free thinking through the fourth turning and you can subscribe to the Substack and then you email me and let me know what you thought because I think you're really gonna love it. Thanks so much for being here, Sasha.
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OK, wanted to get to that Justin Baldoni news before we go. As you know, we had Brian Friedman, his lawyer on the show, also my own personal attorney, to talk about Justin's defense. And this thing is getting even more bizarre. So you may remember that one of the key allegations in her complaint against Justin Baldoni was as follows. OK, from paragraph 48 of her complaint.
She writes on another occasion, Mr. Baldoni and Ms. Lively were filming a slow dance scene for a montage in which no sound was recorded. Mr. Baldoni chose to let the camera roll and have them perform the scene, but did not act in character as Ryle. Instead, he spoke to Ms. Lively out of character as himself. At one point, he leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips forward.
from her ear and down her neck as he said, it smells so good. None of this was remotely in character or based on any dialogue in the script and nothing needed to be said because again, there was no sound. Mr. Baldoni was caressing Ms. Lively with his mouth in a way that had nothing to do with their roles. When Ms.
Lively later objected to this behavior, Mr. Baldoni's response was, I'm not even attracted to you. Well, guess what? TMZ has gotten its hands on that video. And you can hear Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni interacting as themselves, knowing that this is all on video and that this is going to be used to create this dance scene. And no such moment is shown. Just watch it. Watch it.
Oh my gosh, we don't shut up. And Emily and I have like, we have these moments where literally for, we've done it for like five minutes. It's like, I think you would find it terrifying. We're talking about their spouses. We literally do each other.
When I found a sociopath.
And time stops. But like, that's just how it's been for us from the beginning.
No, we're like, oh my God, there's not enough time.
And they score again.
Oh my God, I forgot to tell you something else.
I think that's cute. You guys are really cute. I think it's more than cute. They're acting like lovers. And my nose is so big.
Yes.
I was hoping that we could address this. It's not too late. Just got to shut down. We've got to call an insurance month and just deal with that.
Deal with your big nose. Cut.
Just kidding.
Okay, there. Okay, so he puts his head in her neck. And says, am I getting beard on you?
It smells good. Well, it's not bad. It's my body makeup.
Right. And then says, smells good. And she says, it's my body makeup. That's her big harassment moment. They are playfully... acting for the camera, trying to make it look like two lovers, two people in a relationship are dancing with one another. She's giggling. She's holding his hands.
They're in, they are not speaking as their characters because the sound was not going to be used in the film, but they are in character in the way, obviously Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni are not choosing to hold hands and nuzzle each other and act in and behave as lovers in front of this room full of people.
They're doing that because they are in character and they are trying to make it look for the camera like they love each other. She's completely flirtatious with him. He is flirtatious back, but they're talking about their spouses and it's all in good fun. She laughs and She laughs and says, oh, did you get beard on me? She doesn't say, oh my God, you nuzzled me and said that I smell good.
This is what she's done throughout. She said, he came in my trailer while I was breastfeeding. Well, then he produced the text messages showing her saying, I'm breastfeeding, come on over. Like time and time again, she accuses him of doing something, which then when you hear the full context is an absolute nothing burger. She accused his producing partner of showing her pornography.
Then they produced in his lawsuit against her a picture of the alleged pornography. And it was a beautiful, artistic, absolutely non-pornographic shot of his business partner and his wife with their newborn baby in a bathtub after a bathtub birth, which an at-home birth, holding one another. You can't see any body parts. You can just see that two people clearly are in a bathtub holding their baby.
Just here's yet another one. She wants us to believe this is actionable harassment, what we just witnessed there. You tell me whether that's what that looks like to you. Well, so now... I said that they had written to the Human Rights Office in California. Let me correct that. It's to the United States District Court in the Southern District of New York, where she filed her lawsuit against him.
There's cross lawsuits by each, saying this is all retaliatory. All of his leaks to the media are retaliatory, and asking the court to shut him and Brian Friedman up, saying this must be shut down because they're trying to try this case in the media.
The only reason this whole thing got started before she filed the lawsuit, she just went to the California Human Rights Office, is because she clearly cooperated with the New York Times to leak the whole thing. Indeed, that's, Brian argues, the reason she went and filed the complaint with the Human Rights Division.
So that she could then leak it to the Times, so she could start to rehabilitate her reputation, which got smeared because she turned out to be not a very nice person. in the videos released last summer. Now that she's had her shot against him and she's severely damaged him with that New York Times piece and this complaint, which she managed to get leaked, now she wants a complete gag order.
Now he needs to be shut down to protect her. This is very unfair to poor Blake. Why should Justin be able to release snippets to the media without the full context? That's what she said. That's what she did. She alleged, she alleges that she's a me too victim there. That's absurd.
And I can tell you that as somebody who's not a Hollywood actress, notwithstanding my very short stint in that cartoon, Bertram. Okay. But I'm just saying this person is not an honest broker. I believe her less than ever. I actually disbelieve her fully now. And they should not be gagged.
I will happily participate in releasing any further leaks that they have because the truth should be out there. What does she have to fear if she's telling the truth? That's it for today. We will see you tomorrow when the gang from Ruthless will join us and we will get neck deep into the latest smears against Pete Hegseth. They've not given up on trying to stop him.
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