The Megyn Kelly Show
Power of Trump 2.0, Why Elon and DOGE are Working, and Independent Media's Impact, with Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya of All-In | Ep. 1008
Fri, 14 Feb 2025
Megyn Kelly is joined by Jason Calacanis and Chamath Palihapitiya, co-hosts of the All-In Podcast, to discuss the evolution of Donald Trump and the entire political and cultural landscape, why "Trump 2.0" is attracting independents and moderates, why the left abandoned their principles and allowed an opening for Trump, the imminent need for DOGE to get to work, how Pete Hegseth is helping fix the military, how technology supremacy is key to both military and economic dominance, how bureaucratic red tape has stalled innovation, the truth behind Fox Corporation and the Megyn Kelly Show, what the acquisition of Red Seat Ventures by Fox means for the show, why independent media is so important, why independent media is thriving while legacy media is dying, how Big Tech algorithms shape and censor content, VP JD Vance’s warning to Europe about their self-inflicted problems, their decline on the world stage, the recent bizarre meltdown from Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, their desperate attempts to stay relevant by bashing Elon Musk and DOGE, and more.Calacanis- https://www.launch.co/Palihapitiya - https://allin.com/Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldDone with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com/Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow
Chapter 1: Why is Trump 2.0 appealing to moderates?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Valentine's Day and happy Friday. And nothing says love like inviting on your show one of your frenemies. No, he's not a frenemy. I'm just kidding.
But you guys may remember Jason Calacanis of the All In podcast and I have a kind of special relationship. It goes all the way back to his first and only appearance on our show. It was about almost what, three years ago, June of 2022, episode 337, when I ended up calling him a prick. That's not nice. But our relationship has really evolved. I actually really like him. And we...
I think we've put our differences in the past, though we'll find out today, including spending some time together at the All In Summit last September. I'll just give you a little memory lane before we bring him on along with his co-host Chamath, because you may remember this funny exchange. It got a lot of attention. Here's the longer one when he was on the show three years ago.
What I'm trying to dispute is the attempt to now say we've got to get guns because of all the mass shootings. The mass shootings are what justify our newfound push on, quote, gun control. And what it is to me is a dodge on the rising crime rates, which have been a drag on the Democratic ticket and are going to take them down come the midterm elections in October. It's gaslighting.
So how many people do need to die in a mass shooting for it to be?
Why don't you answer my question since you're here as the guest?
What was the question?
Was there a question?
Yeah. I think you're conflating a lot of different issues in a very partisan way to get ratings. That's bullshit. Don't question my motives.
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Chapter 2: How has independent media evolved?
You might say you're all in. We're all in. And that's the way to do it. And hey, when are we going to get this Megyn Kelly con? That's what you need to do. MK con with the GMTs. Sell a thousand tickets. Get all your fans there. I would come to MK con.
This is where Jason just embarrasses himself. He starts off so strong. I have ideas for Megyn. If you have to graph your performance on this show, it starts off so high and then it just crashes.
I'm feeling really good about our relationship, though. I feel like my relationship with J. Cal has come full circle. Look at us now.
It really is a Valentine's Day celebration. By the way, guys, just to clean up on this, there's an incredible paper published by TikTok, the engineers at TikTok. about how they do personalization and their algorithm. And this is what made me think about this, which is why don't I have the choice to opt into it?
Now, the interesting thing that they do that nobody else does is no matter what your content preferences are, they will always seed you with something that's a little bit off topic slash off brand slash off interest because they're always trying to get this more visceral reaction to do you engage in it or not. And it's just an insight to me that even if you are one way,
The most valuable algorithms that we all need to make content on top of need to get that right, which is how do you expose it? Even if you're exposing it to someone that just viscerally disagrees, but it just makes the content more valuable and it makes the service better. And I think that that's like the next big turn. That's the version two of that Raptor engine that we all need to get right.
That makes a lot of sense. I mean, it's been interesting the past couple of years when Facebook de-emphasized news, you know, it used to be such an important platform for people who are in news really kind of before we all came into this space. It was very important. Like for Ben, I know when he was building his show, it was extremely important to Facebook.
And then they just decided in the wake of all their woke-ism and their annoying politics that they were going to stop platforming news. And people kind of lost their news feed. A lot of people who use Facebook for news lost their news feed. And for us, we just started using Facebook to promote our more cultural content. We do a lot of cultural segments on this show.
And that wound up working out fine for us because – That works very well on Facebook. Facebook likes those segments. They'll recirculate them a lot. It's alternative content in the way you just described.
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