The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Mon, 19 May 2025
Megyn Kelly begins the show with breaking news of Joe Biden’s cancer diagnosis, the suspect timing as "Original Sin" is about to hit, the effort by Dem elites to use the news to attempt to suppress damaging coverage of the book and Biden's cognitive decline, and more. Then Dr. David Samadi, urologist, joins to discuss why it's hard to believe Biden just found out about the cancer diagnosis given how advanced it is, whether his cancer might have accelerated his cognitive decline, why it's either medical malpractice or a lie that Biden didn’t know he had cancer for years, the tell in the Biden family statement involving "hormone sensitive" that reveals the diagnosis goes back long before Friday, and more. Then National Review's Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke join to discuss the lies that Democratic party operatives told about Biden's health for years, how he previously admitted that he had cancer in what was then thought of as a gaffe, why Biden’s aides and his family don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt that he just found out he has cancer, the real reason behind the timing of Biden’s cancer diagnosis announcement, whether it was meant to garner sympathy or undermine the Tapper book, what to expect in Tapper and Thompson’s book that’s coming out tomorrow, the leak of the Robert Hur tapes with Biden, how bad he sounded and how much it's now clear the Dems lied about the interviews, and more. Samadi-https://www.amazon.com/Prostate-Cancer-Practical-Diagnosis-Treatment/dp/B0DG1X4FG7/Cooke- https://x.com/charlescwcookeLowry- https://www.nationalreview.com/ Everglades Foundation: Learn more about President Trump’s Everglades support project at https://www.EvergladesFoundation.orgHome Title Lock: Go to https://hometitlelock.com/megynkelly and use promo code MEGYN to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warrantyJacked Up Fitness: Go to https://GetJackedUp.com and use code MK at checkout to save 10% off your entire purchaseTuttle Twins: Go to https://TuttleTwins.com/history today
Chapter 1: What is the significance of Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Wow, we knew we would have a jam-packed show for you today with multiple major stories breaking over the weekend, but we didn't know it would be quite this big.
Yesterday, Joe Biden's office announced that the former president has been diagnosed with a, quote, aggressive form of prostate cancer that has spread to his bones. Doctors say they made the diagnosis on Friday, the office statement said, after Mr. Biden complained of urinary symptoms, which led doctors to find a small nodule on his prostate.
The statement yesterday read in part, quote, while this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management, end quote. So that's what Mr. Biden's office is telling us. But the timing of this announcement is raising many serious questions.
How could President Biden, who left office at the age of 82, not have been previously screened for prostate cancer? Oncologist Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel. I've interviewed him many times on Fox News. He's a prominent Democrat and he is the so-called architect of Obamacare. He told Morning Joe today that in his opinion, Mr. Biden had this cancer while he was president. Watch.
Very few people get diagnosed this advanced. About 7% of all prostate cancer in the country gets diagnosed when you have a lesion that's in the bone. He did not develop it in the last 100, 200 days. He had it while he was president. He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021.
The news of the diagnosis came on the same weekend we heard the audio for the first time from Mr. Biden's interview with special counsel Robert Herr, where the president forgot the years when he had been vice president, as well as the year when his son Beau died. And it comes just ahead of tomorrow's publication of this book, Original Sin, by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.
They'll be here, by the way, on this program tomorrow. Don't miss that. And the book lays out the significant cognitive issues that Joe Biden displayed while president and the lengths his aides went to hide them. Now, I've read the book. It's embargoed. And we've agreed not to disclose what we've read prior to Tapper and Thompson coming on tomorrow. But I can tell you this. It's horrifying.
It was extensive, the cover-up. They do name names. I don't know why people are saying that they don't name names. They do name names of the specific aides that were most responsible for covering it up, and we'll get into exactly who they were and who was most responsible.
So there are things to be learned from this book, and tomorrow will be an interesting exchange between me and these two because... Yes, of course, I'm going to give them a hard time for especially Tapper. He knows that he says he wants to answer these questions for their role. I mean, the media's role in covering this up. But I want to get into the substance of this book.
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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Biden's cancer being diagnosed so late?
I disagree with people who say that they haven't broken any new ground. There are a lot of new details in there that I did not know. And that I think you guys are all going to find very, very, very interesting. And not coincidentally, I believe, now we get this presidential announcement from the Biden office. And as if on cue,
We get this from top Democrat strategist David Axelrod reacting to the news from Joe Biden's office, suggesting that these discussions we're about to have as this book hits shelves and the Her audio becomes public about Biden's cognitive issues. Well, it's gonna need to be more muted now, now that the man is suffering from cancer. Watch.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think those conversations are going to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside for now as he's struggling through this.
Well, we reject your suggestion and that will not be happening on this program. We will be taking a full, robust, deep dive into everything that's revealed in that book. And no, no, no. Detail will be spared, David Axelrod, because of this diagnosis. You are hashtag part of the problem.
The same media that covered up the Joe Biden mental infirmity is now going to try to use this diagnosis as an excuse to cover up the discussion about the cover up. It's a no, Mr. Axelrod. And he's not the only one saying it. We'll get to that. Joining me today in just a moment, Charles C.W. Cook, senior editor and host of the Charles C.W.
Cook podcast and Rich Lowry, editor in chief of National Review. They will also be standing by for the first 20 minutes of the show as we start. with one of the most respected doctors when it comes to prostate cancer in the world. His name is Dr. David Samadi. If you watch Fox News, you might know him. Had him on my shows there many times. He is a prostate cancer surgeon.
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Chapter 3: How could Biden's cancer diagnosis affect public perception?
Good to be with you, Megan. It's a pleasure and a congratulation on all the success of your show. It's good to be with you.
Thank you so much. All right. So let's start with this statement that the former president's office put out. Is it is there any way that they just found out for the first time on Friday that he had prostate cancer and it had metastasized to the bone with absolutely no warning? Do you find that likely prior to that?
I think it's less likely. I think the better story and the fact is that probably he's had this for many years. We know that about a year ago, his physicians, they basically gave him the clear bill of health that he's in good physical shape and there are no issues. And typically this kind of like prostate cancer, stage four prostate cancer doesn't show up in within one year.
He probably has had it for many years. Given the importance of his job,
a consortium of doctors take care of these presidents i've had multiple presidents in my practice that i've taken care of and it's not always one doctor there are multiple doctors they go through very aggressive screening uh psa digital rectal exams and you know it's very unlikely that he just was diagnosed now and with metastases Yes.
If you're in third world countries where there are no PSA screenings, we see people coming in with PSAs of 100, 150. That's a different story. But in America, with our health care system, given his position, it's practically almost impossible to see someone show up with stage four Gleason 9 metastasis to bone within a year. That's unheard of.
And I certainly in 25 years of my career, I've never seen it.
You've never seen it.
Correct. These are very aggressive cancers. Typically, if you look at the past 10, 15 years of his PSA, they gradually climb up, even though the PSA is not always the most specific test, but you will see a rise. There would be some symptoms when it comes to these aggressive prostate cancers. Typically, prostate cancer is asymptomatic.
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Chapter 4: What are the potential treatments for Biden's prostate cancer?
And the fact that it has metastasized, either in the first scenario, it was completely missed, which is hard to imagine, or it was not reported at a time of diagnosis many years ago, and they're just reporting the metastases. Or this story, I think there are more questions than answers, given what we see today with the type of cancer that he has. It doesn't make sense.
Well, the third possibility is they did see it, and they kept it a secret from us.
That certainly is one possibility, that's for sure. But the timing of this and the fact that it was just released now is very strange and odd. Now, the treatments are obviously very, very difficult.
As you know, Megan, if I would have met him about 10 years ago when this cancer was just localized within prostate cancer, with our technology of robotic surgery, we could have saved his life with possibility of radiation afterwards if he needs it. Now that the cancer is spread to the bone, the prognosis is poor.
Now, from the time of diagnosis, whenever that is or that was, it takes about five to seven years for the cancer to metastasize to bone and another five years or so for the person to die, unfortunately, from this disease. Obviously, that's the average. The only treatment that's effective right now is not surgery. It's not radiation.
It's hormonal treatment or medical castration where it can reduce his testosterone to a very low level in order to slow down these cells from growing further. So we can slow down the progression, but there's no cure at this point.
Doc, there was another doctor online who was suggesting that it was possible that some of the treatments for prostate cancer can cause what looks like a decline in mental acuity. There's a Dr. Stephen Quay. He wrote an article for The Spectator, and he said as follows. You tell me whether this is true. He said... Was President Biden's cognitive decline a side effect of prostate cancer treatment?
A recent study showed that four objective measures and one subjective measure of cognitive function were all significantly impaired by the androgen deprivation therapy, ADT, used for metastatic prostate cancer treatment. citing a clinical trial report. Is that the case? Is there a treatment for prostate cancer that can cause what looks like cognitive decline?
Yes. What he's talking about is something called ADT or medications such as Elagard or Lupron, which I was just talking about, the hormonal treatment. And not only they would lower the testosterone, they can cause hot flashes and menopausal symptoms, but they can also have cardiac issues. And one of those side effects, Megan, is mental health issues, meaning like, you know, it's a little cloudy.
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Chapter 5: Could Biden's cancer treatment impact his cognitive abilities?
But of course, as a doctor, you don't want to get into politics because media can always come back and attack you for being honest and telling the truth. But
given also his age, that he's 82 years old, under a lot of stress, has been in politics for many years, the brain aneurysm, two episodes, and sometimes even prostate cancer can, of course, it always metastasizes to bone, but it can also metastasize to brain. It's not as likely, but all of those are scenarios and the side effects of hormonal treatment that can cause mental health issues.
Let me ask you something, doc, as you, you and I've had discussions like this for many years now, and you're right. It, I, I agree with you. Had they come to you 10 years ago with an initial diagnosis, you would have used your robotics, you know, arm to perform this incredible surgery. You were one of the first to do it. And, um, Is that a point on the other side?
Like that, that this is truthful, that they did just discover it because if you are treating, let's just, because everybody's thinking the same thing that they found out and they kept it quiet. They didn't want us to know because they wanted to beat the orange man. And they knew saying the sitting president has cancer would not be a great reelection tagline.
So, but to argue it on his side, let's just walk it through because if they did have a high PSA test while he was in office or even before he became president, right now, five to seven years, you say, so that would have been before he became president. Wouldn't they, politics aside, have gone to a Dr. Samadhi type and said, let's have a surgery?
I mean, is it plausible that in the name of staying in office or getting an office, he would not have had the prostate surgery just to keep it all on the down low?
I think it's an excellent question that you're bringing up, Megan. And in my career of 25 years, I have dealt with a lot of politicians and TV moguls who have come up with prostate cancer. And unfortunately, sometimes they make a wrong medical decision based on political reasons. And this is what the point that you're bringing up is that maybe at the time it
you know, we would have had a perfect cure and put this to rest. And instead of what was going on at the time with politics and the fact that it can affect his campaign, not only him, but many other politicians that we've seen in the past, they may have made the wrong decisions. Now, I cannot be... sure of that because I'm not his doctor. I haven't looked at his records.
But one thing is clear is that it's very hard to wake up within a year and go from zero to stage four prostate cancer with metastases. Now, what they're saying is that the doctors felt a nodule. What's a nodule? It's a firmness on the prostate. 15% of prostate cancers are detected by a nodule or firmness on the prostate itself. 85% are detected by the blood test called PSA.
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Chapter 6: What is the political fallout from Biden's health revelations?
So I have a very difficult time to believe that whether or not they made the wrong decision because of what the politics was. That certainly is a good question that you're bringing up.
What if, you know, let's say he got, let's just say he got a diagnosis five to seven years ago that he had prostate cancer. And we have no idea what's true. They've lied to us so many times about his health. We really don't know what to believe. But I mean, for all we know, he did have some sort of a surgery and this is a recurrence. We have no idea.
But is there a way if they said, can he get treatment while the sitting president? you know, with medicines over the past four years? Could he have done like this ADT or the thing that we just discussed? Could he have been taking those treatments over the past four years, like quietly on the weekends? How would that go?
Well, you know, we know that he has not had surgery because if the information they're telling us that it was just last week that they examined him and they felt a nodule, that means that the prostate is still there and nobody has removed it. And so if he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer while he was a president...
they could have treated him with this hormonal treatment given the fact that he had metastases, but he would be, even though we didn't see a lot of him on TV and he was not present for a long period of time, but you would see him at times he would break into sweat and he would have like exactly like menopausal symptoms that women go through, that he would get hot flashes, that he would be very tired and he would have a lot of symptoms and side effects of this hormonal treatment.
So, um, The story doesn't make sense. I think that certainly he's had this cancer for close to a decade or so. Prostate cancer, Gleason 9, it grows rapidly, but it takes years for it to metastasize. And I don't see too many patients like this not in today's world with the kind of screening, the MRIs and exams that we have. And if that's truly what happened, it's a major, major malpractice.
And the fact that these doctors, they just completely missed it. And it's very unfortunate.
Is there any way the doctors, as we look back at the most recent PSA, or most recent physical for Joe Biden in February of 24, and it didn't show that a PSA test had been done, which doesn't mean one was not done, but I heard Dr. Emanuel on MSNBC this morning saying some number of older men choose not to have the PSA test.
Do you believe that the White House physician, this Dr. Kevin O'Connor, could have in good faith said, you're 82 or just or I guess let's subtract four years from that. You're 78. You don't really need it. We're not just we're not going to do it.
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Chapter 7: How has the media responded to Biden's cancer announcement?
They check their cholesterol, they check their hearts, they check from top to bottom. You know, it's true that over the age of 80, we don't want to be too aggressive with PSA screening because most likely people die from other diseases than prostate cancer.
But someone like him who was just the president, there's no way in the world that their doctors would just not look at PSA and not look at the PSA in the last many years and just say, well, he's old enough and there's no indication to do this. That doesn't happen. And if it did, it's probably malpractice.
What's your guess on how many years the PSA would have been elevated given this diagnosis?
In general, it takes like, you know, probably over the last decade or so, this has been climbing up. There are cases of prostate cancer, glycogen nines, where the PSA could be very low. We've seen those because if the prostate is filled with a lot of cancer, they may not secrete enough PSA. So sometimes it could be a little tricky, but You have the MRIs.
You certainly have the digital rectal exams. You look at the PSAs over the last many years, and you will be able to detect this. So I'm not sure if he has a family history of prostate cancer or anyone else. But don't forget. President Biden was supposed to be the savior of cancer in this world.
When he was assigned by President Obama to really take care of cancer and put stop to this, his mission was to make sure that the number of cancers are gone down, that we have all the cure and the best technology. So he's...
one person that he should be very aware, certainly of prostate cancer and many other cancers, it's impossible for me to imagine that these doctors would let him go for many years, certainly as an important job that he has, without screening. That doesn't make any sense to me.
And by the way, my understanding is that that PSA test, is it prostate antigen test?
Prostate-specific antigen, right.
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Chapter 8: What are the next steps for Biden's health and political career?
Absolutely right. You're correct. So you look at the size of his prostate. Hopefully, good urologists have examined his prostate to feel because sometimes medical doctors may not detect it. So expertise plays a big role. But you look at the nodule, you look at the
The PSAs, if there's any questions, someone like him, given the family history of cancers and the fact that his son got into trouble because of cancer and many other families, don't forget he also has a history of skin cancer. So the family are very well aware of what to do.
And any red flag in his PSA or exam would have sent them for an MRI, would have given them like PET scan, and they've been able to detect this. So the fact that he's at 82, shows up with stage 4 glycine 9 with metastases, it's really unfortunate. And, you know, I don't know what to say about this. Obviously, I wish him well.
And if there's anything we can do to help, I've written about this in this book that just came out recently, Prostate Cancer, Now What? But stage four is very difficult because they got to get the hormonal treatment. Now they can go on for many years as long as the hormone is sensitive.
That's another thing that they mentioned in the article is diagnosed with glycine, metastases, and it's hormonal sensitive. Now, I don't know how they know this, because they have to give the injections. The PSA has to go down to zero. And as long as he responds to these hormonal treatments, fine. He will be there.
The day that he would become resistant to these hormones, unfortunately, then he has to go for chemotherapy and the outcome and results of those are very poor and most patients don't do well.
Wait a minute. So you're saying that jumped out at you, the fact that they're stating in their statement, they say, the cancer appears to be hormone sensitive, which allows for effective management. You're saying how would they know that this soon?
Right, exactly. So if it was just a week ago, they had the prostate nodule. Within a week, they did the biopsy and they got the disease. So very quickly, within one week, based on the story that they're telling, they've been able to do the staging part and find out if the cancer is spread to the bone or not. But you have to give the injections and see if the patient responds.
We don't know what his PSA is. If the PSA starts to go down, then that's when you know that he's hormonal sensitive. I don't know how they will be able to give all of this information from diagnosis to treatment to all of that within one week. The story doesn't make any sense.
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