Dr. David Samadi
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Well, you know, we know that he has not had surgery because if the information they're telling us that it was just last week that they examined him and they felt a nodule, that means that the prostate is still there and nobody has removed it. And so if he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer while he was a president...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
they could have treated him with this hormonal treatment given the fact that he had metastases, but he would be, even though we didn't see a lot of him on TV and he was not present for a long period of time, but you would see him at times he would break into sweat and he would have like exactly like menopausal symptoms that women go through, that he would get hot flashes, that he would be very tired and he would have a lot of symptoms and side effects of this hormonal treatment.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
So, um, The story doesn't make sense. I think that certainly he's had this cancer for close to a decade or so. Prostate cancer, Gleason 9, it grows rapidly, but it takes years for it to metastasize. And I don't see too many patients like this not in today's world with the kind of screening, the MRIs and exams that we have. And if that's truly what happened, it's a major, major malpractice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And the fact that these doctors, they just completely missed it. And it's very unfortunate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Megan, this is not about the last year or two years ago. When you talk about such a big cancer like this, this has been cooking for many years. And someone like him, he's had at least 30 to 40 years of PSA history. Someone who is in politics like this, senators, congressmen, politicians, they have a lot of attention.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
They check their cholesterol, they check their hearts, they check from top to bottom. You know, it's true that over the age of 80, we don't want to be too aggressive with PSA screening because most likely people die from other diseases than prostate cancer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But someone like him who was just the president, there's no way in the world that their doctors would just not look at PSA and not look at the PSA in the last many years and just say, well, he's old enough and there's no indication to do this. That doesn't happen. And if it did, it's probably malpractice.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
In general, it takes like, you know, probably over the last decade or so, this has been climbing up. There are cases of prostate cancer, glycogen nines, where the PSA could be very low. We've seen those because if the prostate is filled with a lot of cancer, they may not secrete enough PSA. So sometimes it could be a little tricky, but You have the MRIs.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
You certainly have the digital rectal exams. You look at the PSAs over the last many years, and you will be able to detect this. So I'm not sure if he has a family history of prostate cancer or anyone else. But don't forget. President Biden was supposed to be the savior of cancer in this world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
When he was assigned by President Obama to really take care of cancer and put stop to this, his mission was to make sure that the number of cancers are gone down, that we have all the cure and the best technology. So he's...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
one person that he should be very aware, certainly of prostate cancer and many other cancers, it's impossible for me to imagine that these doctors would let him go for many years, certainly as an important job that he has, without screening. That doesn't make any sense to me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Prostate-specific antigen, right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Absolutely right. You're correct. So you look at the size of his prostate. Hopefully, good urologists have examined his prostate to feel because sometimes medical doctors may not detect it. So expertise plays a big role. But you look at the nodule, you look at the
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
The PSAs, if there's any questions, someone like him, given the family history of cancers and the fact that his son got into trouble because of cancer and many other families, don't forget he also has a history of skin cancer. So the family are very well aware of what to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And any red flag in his PSA or exam would have sent them for an MRI, would have given them like PET scan, and they've been able to detect this. So the fact that he's at 82, shows up with stage 4 glycine 9 with metastases, it's really unfortunate. And, you know, I don't know what to say about this. Obviously, I wish him well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And if there's anything we can do to help, I've written about this in this book that just came out recently, Prostate Cancer, Now What? But stage four is very difficult because they got to get the hormonal treatment. Now they can go on for many years as long as the hormone is sensitive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
That's another thing that they mentioned in the article is diagnosed with glycine, metastases, and it's hormonal sensitive. Now, I don't know how they know this, because they have to give the injections. The PSA has to go down to zero. And as long as he responds to these hormonal treatments, fine. He will be there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
The day that he would become resistant to these hormones, unfortunately, then he has to go for chemotherapy and the outcome and results of those are very poor and most patients don't do well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Right, exactly. So if it was just a week ago, they had the prostate nodule. Within a week, they did the biopsy and they got the disease. So very quickly, within one week, based on the story that they're telling, they've been able to do the staging part and find out if the cancer is spread to the bone or not. But you have to give the injections and see if the patient responds.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
We don't know what his PSA is. If the PSA starts to go down, then that's when you know that he's hormonal sensitive. I don't know how they will be able to give all of this information from diagnosis to treatment to all of that within one week. The story doesn't make any sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Well, I think that's possible to be able to get him. I mean, he was the president of this country. So getting a bone scan, he's not going to wait like the rest of the country. And in this country, unlike other countries like Canada and other countries, people don't wait six months to get a bone scan. So I think they can put him through fast-tracked.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But again, the biggest—and I got so many phone calls and questions about the fact that how can someone be great a year ago, and within a year, you will have stage four with metastasis. And this is like to answer a lot of men out there who are diagnosed with prostate cancer. Number one— A lot of patients are on surveillance or close surveillance or watchful waiting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
We're monitoring them because they have low-risk prostate cancer. You need to be in the hands of experts on prostate cancer and always get a second opinion because it can advance. Now, that's another scenario, Megan, because maybe he had 10, 12 years ago a moderate-risk prostate cancer, and they told him, just watch this. It's not aggressive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
you know, you don't need to affect your political thing. And over time it advanced to glycine and then unfortunately metastases. So there's a lot more unknown than, than answers that we have, but given the fact that you're, you're raising a good point because I like, it's just now occurring to me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
That's correct. So it's not a typical story where within a year you would end up with a stage four prostate cancer. And the message that I think you're bringing up to save many more men out there who may or may not know about prostate cancer is beginning age 40, get your baseline PSA. And if you have family history, make sure you're more aggressive with getting screened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Screening is important because when you find the cancer within the walls of prostate, the cure, 10-year survival is close to 100%. Once the prostate cancer starts to leak, and again, we don't know when he was diagnosed, how many years he's had it, and maybe they just monitored him and watched him. And we know a lot of people in America are on close surveillance and there's some danger to that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But once it starts to leak, Then you're going to go to radiation and hormonal treatment. And then the final stage, and that's one of the reasons why I tell you, Megan, this has been going on for many years. Either he knew about it or he didn't know about it. That's a whole different political issue. you're bringing up and he should have had as a as a president, he should have these answers.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Once you get to stage four, unfortunately, it's a painful experience with a lot of complications from this hormonal treatment. And you're right, some of these hormonal treatment not only can affect his heart, but can affect his mental status and mental health issues. So he really need to surround himself with, you know, aggressive doctors who are going to monitor him very closely.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
I think the scary part, which is the sexual dysfunction and continence, a lot of that has gone away with the world of expertise and years and years of number of cases that we've done and the technique that we have developed in the hands of expert surgeons, robotic prostate surgery, Both sexual function and continence works well. Now, you talk about impotence.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
You know, when he starts taking these hormonal treatment, he's going to have no sex life. He's going to be completely impotent. He's going to have low testosterone and no libido. So certainly doing the surgery when it's contained and saving your life with good outcome and good results in the hands of experts is outbids any of these complications that you're going to have later on in life.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And very painful experience. Bone metastases is not easy and treatments are not so good. And that's why I wish him well. And I wish we would have had this conversation many years and they would have seeked better treatment. But we really don't know a lot about this case.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Yeah, so the Gleason score right now is nine. It's possible that maybe 10, 12 years ago, he was diagnosed with the Gleason six or Gleason seven. These are low risk to moderate risk prostate cancer. Many doctors, they may say like, you know, it's not very aggressive. You can watch it and we're gonna monitor you whether that's the scenario.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
At that time, you know, he could have had surgery or radiation, which probably he didn't do. And over the years, it turned out to become more and more aggressive. Now, during the COVID time, we know that a lot of people got distracted with COVID, and we saw coming out of COVID a lot of these Gleason 8s, Gleason 9s, high PSAs, because for two to three years, the public didn't go for screening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And then when we came out of COVID, it's like, oh, my God. And that's how you know that screening actually saves lives. And there was an upgrade of the disease and now slowly is going back to what it was normal. That's for the public, not for the president of United States, not for someone that every time he moves, there's a doctor available.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
They check his cholesterol, his mental health, his cardiac issues from top to bottom. So to just wake up and say, oh my God, we have a glycerin 9 with metastases. To me, as someone who's been in the field for 25 years and have dealt with a lot of these aggressive prostate cancers, this story doesn't make any sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Same here. Thank you, Megan.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Good to be with you, Megan. It's a pleasure and a congratulation on all the success of your show. It's good to be with you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
I think it's less likely. I think the better story and the fact is that probably he's had this for many years. We know that about a year ago, his physicians, they basically gave him the clear bill of health that he's in good physical shape and there are no issues. And typically this kind of like prostate cancer, stage four prostate cancer doesn't show up in within one year.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
He probably has had it for many years. Given the importance of his job,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
a consortium of doctors take care of these presidents i've had multiple presidents in my practice that i've taken care of and it's not always one doctor there are multiple doctors they go through very aggressive screening uh psa digital rectal exams and you know it's very unlikely that he just was diagnosed now and with metastases Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
If you're in third world countries where there are no PSA screenings, we see people coming in with PSAs of 100, 150. That's a different story. But in America, with our health care system, given his position, it's practically almost impossible to see someone show up with stage four Gleason 9 metastasis to bone within a year. That's unheard of.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And I certainly in 25 years of my career, I've never seen it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Correct. These are very aggressive cancers. Typically, if you look at the past 10, 15 years of his PSA, they gradually climb up, even though the PSA is not always the most specific test, but you will see a rise. There would be some symptoms when it comes to these aggressive prostate cancers. Typically, prostate cancer is asymptomatic.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But they would have some vague symptoms of urinary issues, getting up in the middle of the night, sometimes even blood in the semen, etc. Obviously, he's 82 years old. And over 50% of men over the age of 80 will have prostate cancer if you diagnose them. The problem with him is that he has a very aggressive Gleason 9. Now, the worst is Gleason 10. So this is up there.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
I think that the majority of US families will feel for the Bidens. I don't think this is time for politics, but what I will say is that this administration has cut cancer funding research.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
And the fact that it has metastasized, either in the first scenario, it was completely missed, which is hard to imagine, or it was not reported at a time of diagnosis many years ago, and they're just reporting the metastases. Or this story, I think there are more questions than answers, given what we see today with the type of cancer that he has. It doesn't make sense.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
That certainly is one possibility, that's for sure. But the timing of this and the fact that it was just released now is very strange and odd. Now, the treatments are obviously very, very difficult.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
As you know, Megan, if I would have met him about 10 years ago when this cancer was just localized within prostate cancer, with our technology of robotic surgery, we could have saved his life with possibility of radiation afterwards if he needs it. Now that the cancer is spread to the bone, the prognosis is poor.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Now, from the time of diagnosis, whenever that is or that was, it takes about five to seven years for the cancer to metastasize to bone and another five years or so for the person to die, unfortunately, from this disease. Obviously, that's the average. The only treatment that's effective right now is not surgery. It's not radiation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
It's hormonal treatment or medical castration where it can reduce his testosterone to a very low level in order to slow down these cells from growing further. So we can slow down the progression, but there's no cure at this point.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
Yes. What he's talking about is something called ADT or medications such as Elagard or Lupron, which I was just talking about, the hormonal treatment. And not only they would lower the testosterone, they can cause hot flashes and menopausal symptoms, but they can also have cardiac issues. And one of those side effects, Megan, is mental health issues, meaning like, you know, it's a little cloudy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
They're not concentrating and it can affect it. Now, don't forget that President Biden also has had in the past two episodes of aneurysm in his brain, has had multiple surgeries on that. So some of those could also affect his mental issues. And I... If you look at my Twitter about a couple of years ago, I talked about that as a doctor, I was concerned about his mental health issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But of course, as a doctor, you don't want to get into politics because media can always come back and attack you for being honest and telling the truth. But
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
given also his age, that he's 82 years old, under a lot of stress, has been in politics for many years, the brain aneurysm, two episodes, and sometimes even prostate cancer can, of course, it always metastasizes to bone, but it can also metastasize to brain. It's not as likely, but all of those are scenarios and the side effects of hormonal treatment that can cause mental health issues.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
I think it's an excellent question that you're bringing up, Megan. And in my career of 25 years, I have dealt with a lot of politicians and TV moguls who have come up with prostate cancer. And unfortunately, sometimes they make a wrong medical decision based on political reasons. And this is what the point that you're bringing up is that maybe at the time it
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
you know, we would have had a perfect cure and put this to rest. And instead of what was going on at the time with politics and the fact that it can affect his campaign, not only him, but many other politicians that we've seen in the past, they may have made the wrong decisions. Now, I cannot be... sure of that because I'm not his doctor. I haven't looked at his records.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
But one thing is clear is that it's very hard to wake up within a year and go from zero to stage four prostate cancer with metastases. Now, what they're saying is that the doctors felt a nodule. What's a nodule? It's a firmness on the prostate. 15% of prostate cancers are detected by a nodule or firmness on the prostate itself. 85% are detected by the blood test called PSA.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
In today's world, if there was any question about his PSA or what we call PSA velocity or the rise of that blood test, there would be MRI all over him. There would be PET scans. There would be It's very hard to imagine that the president of the United States will go on for years without the kind of attention that normal patients will get in our practice. And this was missed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Biden Cancer Cover-Up Questions, and Jarring Hur Tapes Leaked, with Dr. David Samadi, Rich Lowry, and Charles Cooke | Ep. 1075
So I have a very difficult time to believe that whether or not they made the wrong decision because of what the politics was. That certainly is a good question that you're bringing up.