Eliana Johnson
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
By doing Blueprint, one of the key objectives is to achieve the lowest possible biological age. So just like a tree has rings, we all have a signature inside of our body of our age. After doing Blueprint now for two years, I've reversed my biological age 5.1 years. I have 50 perfect biomarkers. I have 100 biomarkers where I'm less than my chronological age.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And my speed of aging is 0.69, which means for every 12 months, I age eight months. In terms of how far this goes, it's open-ended. We have no idea. But I want to take my speed of aging to the lowest possible number.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Thanks for having me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I think it's legitimately the first time any human in history could say with a straight face, we may be the first generation to not die. I sincerely believe that. It's almost like if you think back to history, like in 1870, if you were alive at that time, you thought that infection came about through bad spirits.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
But there were new ideas that are kind of crazy where people said there are these microscopic objects that cause infection. They're called bacteria. And when you don't wash your hands between surgeries, when you're delivering babies, it spreads and can lead to death. Now, if you're living that time, you might say, that's stupid and crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
You're telling me things my eyes can't see are going to be the cause of death. But if you're open-minded, you might say, huh, if this is real, I don't want to be on the other side of that. And so I think the same moment is true for us is this is legitimately a transformational moment as a species. We may be the first generation that will die.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, it's been overwhelmingly positive. And like all things, you find negative voices really get a lot of airtime. And so what they don't talk about is, I think this is what I've built. So I quantitatively have the best biomarkers of anybody on planet Earth. I'm quantitatively the healthiest person alive. Now, I've posted all my data publicly and said, others, show me your data.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so I've really tried to create a new sport out of this. Now, in doing so, I've shared with the entire world everything I do, things that work, things that don't work, but everything is for free. I haven't put this behind a paywall. I haven't asked people to pay me subscriptions. This is, I've made this for free.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And I actively, I spend a majority of my time producing content, writing, helping people learn these three basic things. So it really is an effort to try to help everyone be healthy and well, but the criticism is just very natural. I wrote through the day. They're like five stages of understanding. Don't die. You know? And first is like this, I, a low, I wish you'd get hit by a bus.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
You know, it's like, it's, Very, it's like, it's so algorithmic. Like whenever I walk into a new category of people and they haven't seen me before, their responses are just like an algorithm, like just absolutely expected.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
It's probably over a hundred different things I do any given day that the body has asked for to be in its ideal state. And that begins with, in the morning I wake up, I turn a specific light on in my bathroom that gives me sun-like exposure. I take three pills. I do my body temperature with an inner ear measurement.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Go downstairs, start HRV therapy, so I put a little electrode here in my ear, and it stimulates my autonomic nervous system, trying to make my body more parasynthetic and more chill. I take 54 pills with a concoction that I call the Green Giant. I put a cap on my head for hair growth. It has 312 laser diodes. Then I work out for an hour, come in, eat a few pounds of vegetables.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I do some high-frequency electromagnetic stimulation on my abdomen. I do 12 minutes of near and red light therapy to accelerate healing. I do audio therapy for my hearing regeneration. I have my last meals to eat before 11 a.m., 34 more pills to take. There's protocols throughout the day here and there. And then my nighttime routine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I guess I really find this to be fun. It is my happy place. I love this endeavor. I love playing this game. I love data. I love science. I love the experimentation. It's so much fun. And I guess it's been kind of interesting because a very common response is, he's so busy trying not to die, he's not living. And meanwhile, when we think about the things we categorize as living, like
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Going out and drinking with the friends or staying out late or eating pizza or donuts, those are oftentimes the things people imagine I just can't go without. Those things just make me miserable and not happy. I've never been happier in my entire life. It's very counterintuitive that health is happiness. Most people think that debauchery is happiness, but we all know it's not.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
That's right, yeah. So it really helps light in the eyes within 20 to 30 minutes of waking up is really important. It sets your mood, it sets your circadian rhythm, it improves your mood. So if you wake up with the sun, early morning sunlight is fantastic. If you wake up before the sun, that 10,000 lux light really helps set your health regimen. So like you played in that clip,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
The idea is not that people do what I do. It's that they can draw out the basics of what I do and then make it a habit into their life. Really, you can achieve very similar health markers as me and do very little of what I actually do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
The bedroom light won't work. You need a specific kind of light to have the effects on triggering the circadian rhythm.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
So this is actually really about my resting heart rate before bed. And so what I discovered over the past four years is the single most important thing for my health is my sleep. It's like nothing is even remotely close.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so I have built my entire life around sleep, which is, again, is counterintuitive because our current culture is you sleep when you have time, you sleep when you're done with work, you sleep when you're done. And many people actually brag by not getting sleep. They'll say, I sleep under my desk or like, The person coded for three nights in a row, they're so impressive.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
It's almost like this mythology that if you don't sleep, you somehow have higher status. The reality is our body needs sleep. Otherwise, we just don't function well. We're impaired, like if you're drunk. And so the biggest predictor, the strongest predictor of your night's sleep is your resting heart rate before you go to bed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so the way you do this is tonight before you go to bed, if you have a wearable, just pull up and see what your heart rate is. It may be 60 beats per minute, 65, 50. And then your goal over the next two weeks, I'll give you some tips, is to try to lower your resting heart rate by 10 to 15 beats. And as you do that, every beat you drop your sleep quality is going to increase.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
So I eat my final meal today at 11 a.m. because that gives my body time to digest. So when I go to bed at 8.30, the food is fully digested and my body is now able to allocate its resources to say, now we're going to sleep. If I eat later at five or six, my heart rate is going to climb 10 to 15 beats and my sleep will be reduced by about 30 to 40%.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Exactly. So what, what was the ice cream?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Is that your favorite?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
It was just like available in the freezer.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah. Yes. Organic. Actually, we can talk about that. Organic kind of means nothing in terms of like, I'll go to the food in a minute. But yeah. So in your experience, when you woke up the next morning, was it worth eating the ice cream?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, exactly.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Exactly. So eating before bed wrecks sleep. And so here's the prescription for everybody is have your final meal of the day at least two hours before bedtime. So if you go to bed at 10, finish eating at eight, and then experiment with going to seven and then six and then five and four p.m., just push it back a little bit every time. you're going to feel a little bit hungry. That's fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
It's normal. But as you're going to watch, as you move your last meal a day back further, your heart rate's going to go down, your sleep's going to go up and you're going to feel amazing. It is worth it. Like when you wake up in the morning and you feel great, it doesn't matter how much pain you're in the night before, it's worth it. So, and also the food you eat. So if you have like a big pizza
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
you know, 5 p.m., even though your bedtime's at 10, it still jacks your heart rate, lowers your sleep. So I just went through this meticulous experimentation process, trying hundreds of different combinations. And I found that the kinds of foods and when I ate dramatically impacted my heart rate. So now I'm at 44 beats per minute before bed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And when I get that, I'm going to have a perfect night's sleep. So you sleep eight, eight and a half hours? That's right. Eight hours and 34 minutes is my six-month average. And what you want, so here's the profile of ideal sleep. So when my head hits a pillow, I'm usually out within two to five minutes. I sleep roughly two hours of REM, two hours of deep.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I'm up sometimes like probably 75% of the nights now. I'm up zero times per night. And... Yeah. So that's like roughly the profile. If you lay down and it takes you 45, 30 minutes to go to sleep, it's too long. And then if you're not getting around two hours each of REM and deep, like thereabouts, you're getting too little.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And then if you're up at night more than 30 minutes, it's something to pay attention to. But- I basically have like five habits that people should follow. And if you get these things down and make them life habits, it just changes everything about your conscious existence. You're a better coworker. You're a better professional. You're a better parent. You're a better friend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Like it makes everything in life better.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Exactly. So two things about that graph that you're looking at. One is that there was a recent study published that showed that people with their first REM cycle within 90 minutes were healthy from a perspective of cognitive decline. And people who had their first REM cycle three to four hours after going to sleep had signs of cognitive decline, Alzheimer's.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so if you look at that graph, you see, I went to bed roughly 10. That was a late night for me. I posted this because I was responding to some drama that was going on. So now I was basically saying like the drama, I'm unbothered. So I went to bed at 10 and my first REM cycle, let's see, it's 1130. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
So basically within 90 minutes of me falling asleep is my first REM, which is right on the point. So everybody, if you're watching this, look at your sleep cycle and look at the demarcation of when you fall asleep. And then look at your first REM cycle. You want to be 90 minutes or less.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
If you're in the three to four hour range, then it's something to pay attention to because you may have some early cognitive decline and you just want to be mindful of that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, so I have a eight sleep mattress, which is a temperature control. And so as you go through your various stages of sleep, so as you fall into, so when you go to bed, the reason why going to bed on time is so important is because if your bedtime's at 10 p.m., your body's expecting you to get rest at 10 p.m.,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And if you go to bed at 12 and say, well, I'm just going to make up the two hours in the morning, the body doesn't do that. So your deep sleep happens largely in the first window of time, or if you go to sleep. So like between 10 and 12, you can see it from my sleep data, a big portion of my deep sleep happens in that early stage. And if you miss that window, you miss your deep sleep.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Now think about deep sleep, like a garbage truck rolling through your brain and picking up the trash. when you miss the deep sleep, the garbage truck doesn't run its course. And so that's why going to bed on time is so important being consistent, because then your body cleans out the garbage and you get this deep restorative sleep. So again, this is why like sleep is the number one life priority.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
It just fuels all your functions. That's why you want to be on time, You want to be very mindful of your last meal of the day and what you eat, your resting heart rate. And this is the thing that's funny is I never got taught how to sleep. How is it that I spend a third of my life sleeping and I never got taught in school or even culturally how to sleep?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yes, I agree with that entirely.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Here is an eggplant. This is the device made by Adam Holt. From his social, sorry. And what you do is you would normally think this is very awkward. It's not. You just put it on the penis and you forget it's there. So you put it on the base of the penis. There you go. And then throughout the night, as you become erect, it measures both the engorgement and the duration.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
So you have a map the entire night of your erection cycles. Now mine, I had four total erections for a duration of just over three hours. To put this in context, my nighttime erections are the length of the Titanic, the movie, not the boat. And that is better than an average 18 year old.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, so females go through the same erection cycles that men do. It's just measuring the clitoris is more difficult. So just like men, women's clitoris engorges at night over several different sessions and to different degrees of arousal. And then men wake up with a morning erection and women wake up with a morning bean. And so it's both in females and males.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so this was kind of an accident where we started doing this. I was doing another therapy, this electromagnetic stimulation. We were trying to rebuild muscles in the anus and the bladder. Because as you age, it becomes harder for you to control those muscles, especially women who give birth, where you have to do Kegel exercises to rebuild those muscles. And so we were doing this therapy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And when I started doing it, I just noticed that I was getting erect in my sleep all the time. So I raised this question with my scientific team and said, why is this happening? And then we did this deep dive that nighttime erections is actually a really important marker of health. It represents cardiovascular health, physiological health and psychological health.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
In fact, it's one of the most important things anybody can know about their health. Put it on the same level as cholesterol and blood pressure. It's really important. No one talked about it. You can go to the gym and work out hard to lift weights and be strong and have good cardio, but you can't go to sleep and work hard at having arousal cycles. You can't try to have good boners. It just happens.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so it's a default representation of your health. And so it really is like you can't fake it. And so, yeah, we talk a lot about sexual health and these physiological functions. So people hear boners, they hear about the sexual talk and they kind of giggle and stuff. But men who don't have nighttime erections are five times more likely to die of prematurity. It's really a staggering statistic.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
No, I'm sorry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I'm sorry, quick question, 70% more likely to die prematurely. It's a company, Adam Health, out of the UK.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, I'm plant-based, excluding collagen peptides, and food is such a sacred thing for people. I come in peace. I'm not at war. Do your thing. All good. We just try to follow the science and evidence of how to use food to slow my body's speed of aging as much as possible.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Okay, yeah, yeah. So what I eat every day is I eat a diet of 2,250 calories. And the premise is that every calorie must fight for its life. It has to basically be a top performing calorie, like something that does something good on my body. And so when you put that filter, many foods don't make it through. Like bread just doesn't make it through as worthy of consumption.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And so the foods that do make it through are legumes like lentils and edamames and beans, a lot of vegetables, broccoli, cauliflower. I get a ton of vegetables, extra virgin olive oil. I eat more of that than any other food source, nuts, berries, seeds. And then I do collagen peptides. So my proteins are from pea and hemp protein lentils, but I don't eat any meat. And the diet we have is proven.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I mean, I can say there's more scientific evidence around this diet. to slow down someone's speed of aging and slow disease progression than any other diet in the world. So we're just following data and science on what exactly are the best foods put in one's body for longevity.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Honestly, one, it's resting heart rate before bed. It's like the number one. And the reason why it's so good is because that is determined by when you eat what you eat. It determines how well you sleep and how well you sleep determines whether you're going to exercise and whether you exercise determines on what you're going to eat.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And then your resting heart rate is also a representation of your cardiovascular health. You know, are you exercising? Is your heart in a good state? So that one marker really captures whole body health. And so, and it's also-
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, so let's say tonight, Meg, you do this, and your resting heart rate is 60 beats per minute. And you say, okay, I'm going to challenge myself to be at 50 in two weeks' time. So you can do several things. One is have your final meal of the day begin two hours before bedtime. So mint chocolate chip, ice cream, like... It's no longer part of the agenda.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And then move your final meal back an hour each day. So try your last meal today at 7 p.m. and 6 and 5 and 4. And just push it back a bit more and more. And you'll find your right spot. You'll see as you push your final meal today back, your heart rate is going to drop. Number two is to have a wind-down routine. So what time is your bedtime? 10 o'clock.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Okay, so at 10, at 9 p.m., so give yourself roughly an hour, I do this self-talk process. So at 9 p.m., let's say Sleep Meg is going to come on duty. And there she is, and she's going to hold the fort down. Now, at 9.01, let's just say Ambitious Meg's going to show up, and she's going to say, Meg, I have this brand new idea on something we want to do on the show. Like, it's going to be a banger.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And then Sleep Meg says, sorry, we're currently in sleep mode. We're going to write this idea down, and then tomorrow we're going to think about this. And then 9 or 2 p.m., Anxious Meg's going to show up. She's going to say, today on the show, you said this thing. I don't know. It wasn't delivered well. It came across poorly. And you say, thank you, Anxious Meg, for keeping me in check.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
This is so wonderful. But you need to do this self-talk because otherwise, you spin loops. So when your head hits the pillow at 10 p.m., you're still trying to reconcile the day's events, like what you're mad about, what you're happy about, how you're sad, why you're anxious.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
And then secondarily is when you wake up in the night, one or two, three in the morning, you wake up and you're spinning on all these different thoughts. So you need to have some kind of wind down routine. So that self-talk is really important. Then also you can read a book. You can go for a walk.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
My favorite thing is holding a book, like an actual book in my hand to read for 15 to 20 minutes, talk to a friend. But that last hour of the day is really important to calm your nervous system down and say, we are going to get ready for sleep. That would drive down your heart rate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
Yeah, entirely. It's calming your body down to say, we are ready for sleep. You have to like really get into it. You can't just like show up, put your head on the pillow and be like, yep, we're ready to go. The body's just not ready for it. So other things you can do is you can be consistent. So if your bedtime's at 10, try to be in bed every single night at 10 PM, plus or minus 30 minutes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
I logged the best sleep score in human history, eight months of perfect sleep. I was in bed within one minute every night. And it was just amazing. The body keeps track of time as well as a watch. It knows. At 8.29, it would just drop what's called my adenosine in my brain and be like, you're out. And so then the other thing is be mindful of light.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
So blue lights, screens, and even household lights. So try to have red lights and amber lights. Turn off your screens. And if you do these things, your body's really going to support you. Your body is amazingly good at sleep. You just need to give it the habits and the protocols where it can really perform at its best.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson | Ep. 1014
You know, honestly, like it's an issue. So you may want to talk to Doug about this because there really is some good evidence. Some people do well sleeping with each other. They actually help each other sleep better. Other people, they're out of sync for whatever reason. And I would say that sometimes the very best things people can do for their marriage is to not sleep in the same room.
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They both sleep better. They're in better moods. They're more conducive to a more positive relationship. So yeah, I think when you can sleep alone, it's really something you should strongly consider.
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It's very much like in-group, out-group stuff. It's like in-group, you really have the truth and the out-group is a threat and or someone to be saved. It's not a very friendly bridge. I was Mormon for so many years. You always have an agenda. When you meet somebody, it's not like a neutral thing. You're trying to convert them in some subtle way. You're always trying to find the edge.
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It's very much an evangelizing religion where you're always trying to do it. They think of me entirely of saved, not saved, going to heaven, not going to heaven framework. They just can't trust me because I'm not in the in-group and I can't give them that same framework. It's probably the most painful experience of my life to be to be held at arm's length of my own children.
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And I've worked really, really hard to be a good parent. And parents know this, like you just can never know with your kids. Like there's no guarantee that your effort pays off. And of course, kids go through different cycles. But yeah, it's been really painful. I love them very much. I really want to be in their lives. And it's very hard that another thing separates us.
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Yeah, the evidence is very good that people in strong relationships live longer. It is just like one of the very best things you can do. So I do work very hard at relationships. I work very hard on my personal relationships. And I think that, you know, I grew up in Mormonism. I never even had a girlfriend growing up. I married the first girl that is kind of kind of like an arranged marriage.
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I just never really learned how to build relationships. I'm getting a lot better now. I'm very excited about where I'm at in life. I think I figured out some basics. Again, I guess I'm maybe late to the party. I'm 47. I'm just learning the basics of how to sleep, how to build relationships in life.
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Maybe I'm unique, but I just feel like I'm finally coming around to learning some of these basic things of life.
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Yeah, so this is called hyperbaric oxygen therapy. And so what you do is the pressurization inside that chamber gets to two atmospheres, which is roughly the same kind of pressure you'd have about 30 meters below seawater, the ocean level. And so it's very, very pressurized. And then in that mask, I'm breathing in 100% oxygen. And so the therapy is you hyper oxygenate the entire body.
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So when you breathe oxygen, you get oxygen to your various organs and whatnot, but not to a ultra saturation. And so when you're in that chamber and it's very, um, there's a lot of pressure, plus you're getting a hundred percent oxygen versus 20% in our atmosphere. You're getting oxygen very deeply infused throughout the entire body. And that has all kinds of rejuvenation effects.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So this is the same process we go through where we try to find therapies that have gold standard scientific evidence that have rejuvenation properties in the body. Like I'm trying to make my entire body age 18. And so we found hyperbaric oxygen therapy and the evidence was good for like acute brain injury and traumatic brain injury.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It was good for certain conditions, but we didn't really see anyone doing it for longevity with a whole bunch of measurements. So I measured my body with about 50 different biomarkers. I did 60 sessions in the chamber. And then we measured again, our final result is coming in today, but it has been one of the most efficacious therapies we've ever done.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It dramatically improved my brain health, improved my inflammation, improved joint health. It increased my cardiovascular ability, my VO2 max. It reduced senescent cells. It did whole body skin rejuvenation. It has been one of the most successful therapies we've ever done. And like we do with everything else, we just share it publicly. How long are you in there? 90 minutes per session.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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No, so that's the thing. That's why I posted this video. I was playing around like I always do, is I said that I moved my office into my hyperbaric chamber. And so basically, I'm just sharing that when you're trying to have the best biomarkers of anybody on planet Earth, you need to basically take very detailed attention to everything you do on a daily basis, but yet...
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I also run four different companies. And so I have to build these therapies into my lifestyle. So I was showing that I have my computer in there and I work. So now it's just part of my daily lifestyle. And I guess it's fun because we can surface these therapies that have so much potential to help people. Now, this is like a big system.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oxygen therapy is very hard to get access to, but we're trying to push this forward for everybody, right? So this is like the whole thing is we're trying to make people aware that you can, in fact, do meaningful things to change your health and wellness.
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Yeah, nothing intentional. I mean, the thing is, what we tried to do is I did something unique where four years ago we said, okay, if this idea is correct, that we are the first generation that won't die, how would you even go about doing it? It's kind of like Lewis and Clark or going to the moon or sailing west to see if the world is round or not. So we kind of said, how do you do this?
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And so I hired a team of 30 doctors and we went about, we measured the biological age of every organ of my body. Now, intuitively, I may be 43 years old at the time, but if you look at an 80-year-old and a two-year-old, you can compare those two individuals and say one is older than the other. They also have different life expectancies.
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And then as you get more narrow, is there a difference between a 10-year-old and a 70-year-old and a 20-year-old and a 60-year-old? as you can say yes. And so if you get more granular, you can arrive at the idea that you can measure biological age in all your organs. And so I did that. And then we said, what is the best science to actually now slow down my speed of aging and reverse aging damage?
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And we've just followed the data and the science. And so when you see my appearance evolve, it's just, we're following data and science. We do nothing about appearance that is proactive. We just say, How can I drive this process of aging to the slowest possible rate and reverse aging damage? So it really is just like a real time live science experiment.
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Yeah. So the most important ones for anybody are the ones you're deficient in. So the key thing, which I advocate more than anything is measurement. It's always helpful to do measurement. And a lot of people don't want to do positive things for themselves. They want to do a cold plunge or a sauna, but they don't measure. They don't know where their baseline is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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They don't know what was supposed to be the outcome, which makes sense. Measurement is hard and it's expensive, but really the most valuable thing you can do is measure. So the most basic thing is resting heart rate. Great, exactly. So for free tonight and for bed, resting heart rate. You can do a blood test, exactly.
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So my company, Blueprint, makes all these things available to people, like basic blood measurement. There's also a biological age test where you can see your speed of aging. How fast is your clock at aging? So if you're a one, for example, you're aging on 12 months, every 12 months it passes. My speed of aging is 0.57, which means my birthday is every 21 months.
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And so knowing this data is really important. So you can measure, like a coworker of mine measured theirs, and they're 1.16. So they're aging faster than time is. And so once you get that data, you can then say, what am I doing right now that is causing me to age faster? Is it poor sleep? Is it not exercise? Is it a wrong diet?
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And so you can start then making lifestyle changes because you want to drive that number down. So again, it's all driven by data and measurement. And you can really, these things work so well. And it's very encouraging. You do something positive, you get a good night's sleep or you lower your speed of aging. And it's very encouraging.
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Yeah, it's one of the, so there's 50,000 people in the world measuring their speed of aging. It's one of the lowest in the entire world. I think the second lowest in the entire world.
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Yeah, so I have the blueprint stack. So I published this whole thing and I made everything for free. And then this project went viral and people were like, cool, I'm in, I want to do it. But then it became too complex. You have to like buy these supplements and you have to put them out and do them, remember to restock. And so they said, just make it easy. So I've done that.
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So Blueprint is my company. We've made everything easy. This is not a grift. This is me trying to be responsive to people's wishes. At the same time, I make everything known for free. So if you don't want to buy it from me, go do it on your own. That's totally cool. Either way, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to help you out. Yeah, you're already rich.
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Exactly. And honestly, this food business sucks. Like it is such a pain in the ass. I hate it. Like there's so many of the things I want to be doing with my time, but also there's no one in the world who is actually solving this basic problem of how do you get non-toxic high quality food?
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I learned, I mean, everything I put into my body, we would test at a lab and I have come to find out very sadly that food is guilty until proven innocent. It is just the food supply globally is toxic. So now we're in the next 90 days, we're going to try to map the U S food. Oh, we're going to try to measure the toxin levels of the, the 80% of foods that we eat on a daily basis.
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And we're going to then be able to say like the average American consumes blank amount of mercury per day and blank amount of lead. No one has done that. And so, yeah, I mean, but where do you get your food from? Is it all like greenhouse based or what do you get your food? We source food from all over the world. Again, this is what Blueprint does.
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So we source from people all over the world who have the right farming practices and do the right purity testing. Wow. I've learned I can't go to any grocery store anywhere, even a farmer's market, and expect it to be clean because they don't control their water supply. They don't control the soil. They don't control these things. So it's just like a toxin stew we live in.
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And so, yeah, it's a really, really big problem. And I think people feel powerless. So we're going to try to bring some numerical baselines, like this is what's happening in the world. But really, I think if you say, why are we struggling so hard as a species being well? I mean, our habits are also terrible, but also our food supply is very toxic.
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So I think we will have this map in the next few months and have a good baseline for the entire world.
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He's a friend. I'm eager to help out in any way I can. I think it'd be a really cool goal for America to have the best life expectancy of any country in the world. Nobody loses when we're in good health. Everybody wins. I think it's something we can rally upon. Sure, we're going to fight about this and that always, but if we're actually sleeping well and feeling well, we may fight a little less.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Yeah, we did extensive analysis on this. I had a former FDA official on my team. We had several biotech entrepreneurs, a few scientists, and we scrubbed this thoroughly, not for its efficacy, but for its safety. We were really trying to assess, is it safe? Now, in all things biotech, you can only be so certain. So like, we just don't know what we don't know. But to our best knowledge, it is safe.
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And you're right. It's not something where it actually changed my DNA. It just changed the expression of a protein full of statin. So I just have higher levels. So it's really a baby step on the path to gene therapy. But I thought it was safe to experiment with. I thought it was a cool experimentation. So far, the results, I mean, I think they've increased.
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I think it increased my muscle mass and also lowered my speed of aging. But I think the results are early. But I generally, if we want to punch past this, The 120 ceiling we have, gene therapy is going to play a very important role. And so I am very bullish on our ability to do it. A lot of people, they say in this moment, you're crazy. There's no way we're the first generation to not die.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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How could you even surmise that? With AI, we're bringing online the equivalent of billions of PhD-level human equivalents that are investigating all the mechanisms of aging. It's an insane degree of intelligence we're bringing online to solve these things. And if you could simply say, the more people working on the problem, the more likely we're solving the solution.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That's why I think this moment really is, it's the biggest ideological change in our history, from a moment where death is inevitable to where we just don't know how long and how well we can live. And so that's what this Don't Die movement is about, is it is remapping the biggest... solving death would be the biggest accomplishment in human history. And that's, I think, the big one.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I think it's actually insight.
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A year and a half ago. Yeah. And this is the other thing that people oftentimes will say, you're really doing high risk stuff. And I'll point out that they too conducted an experiment at lunch when they ate the fast food meal. That's an experiment. When they were having fast food, I was having vegetables and extra virgin olive oil and I was taking my nutrients.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So they too are doing experimentation with bad sleep, poor food, toxic food. They just don't realize they're actually probably higher risk than I am.
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Nope, one hour a day. It's like everything in health and wellness is just the perfect amount. So a lot of people have this intuition to think that if one is good, two must be better. It's not. You want to find the exact number. And this is with sleep. So if you look at the actual data on all-cause mortality around sleep, it's seven hours. Now, you could be on the seven and a half.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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If you're highly active, it can be seven and a half, eight. But it's like right there. If you sleep nine or 10, it actually increases your risk of all-cause mortality. So more sleep is not better. You want to be just the right amount. And that's true with exercise. So there gets to be a point where too much. And so even if you're just starting off,
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, have your final meal of the day, you know, a couple hours before bed, get your resting heart rate down, sleep really well. And even if you work out for 20 minutes, great, like a big win. The biggest risk here is someone feels overwhelmed. You don't need to do a lot of stuff. Prioritize sleep, get 20 minutes of exercise a day, and you're doing really well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So just master the basics, get those two things right. And if you do those things right, you'll eat better. But really, the key is to not feel overwhelmed. These very small things can make a huge difference in how you feel.
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Yeah, I do. So the way we measure cardiovascular fitness is something called VO2 max, and it measures how well the body utilizes oxygen. And so my VO2 max is 64, which is in the top 1% of elite 18-year-olds. So my body functions like an 18-year-old in this capacity. And so to train that, I do what's called a four by four. So I'll be on the elliptical machine.
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You can run, do elliptical, anything you want, where you basically exert yourself to like 90% plus. And then you rest for four minutes. You do that for like 40 minutes. Then you rest for four minutes. And then you do it again. And so four by four training. high exertion, low, high, low.
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And then also I do zone two, which is like, you want to be like roughly where you want to exercise where you can have a conversation with somebody and not feel out of breath. So every day I do a little bit of that.
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Thank you for having me. And how do you, are you going to do a few of these things?
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Okay, thank you.
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I think that was a really important part of the conversation. And look, for 20 plus years, you can trace it back to Dan Rather in 2004. But even before that, when we had these experiences with titans of supposedly neutral purveyors of the news, who claimed to be one thing, and then there were scandals that showed them to be operating in the service of one political party.
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And so your statement that, hey, disclosing your biases upfront actually builds trust with an audience rather than undermining it or undermining one's credibility was, I think, really important. And what I think that The Times often misses is that our problem with them our frustration with them.
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And I say this from the beacon all the time, like the beacon, we say we're conservative, like we own that. And our problem with you is that you claim to be down the middle and we know you're something else. And that is what has broken trust with audiences and readers. So when you don't cover Doug Emhoff, And the scandal surrounding him, that's trust breaking.
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If you were to come out and say like, hey, we don't cover scandals about Democrats because it undercuts our political priors or our mission here. It's going to piss off our readers like, OK, we'd be fine with that. It's the posturing that you're fair. Yes. Right. That just own it.
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But that is why there's this wide open space for people like you and Joe Rogan and others to go build these huge audiences because they're not fooling people. They're just breaking trust with people.
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I mean, look, I think there's some truth to the idea that they don't realize they're biased, but it I'm not totally sure that's that's the case. I mean, when you have the CEO of NPR testifying before Congress and saying, yes, we're 87 Democrats and zero Republicans, like it does sort of defy logic that they can truly believe that doesn't actually show up in any of the news coverage.
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I actually don't think that that question was about Trump, Megan. I think it was about you. And I think the question was put to you such that it really was, how can you, Megan Kelly, who talk a lot about how, who position yourself as pro-woman, who talk a bit about how to have a real career and build a family, who are certainly, you know, you're certainly not a wilting violet.
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How can you have that identity, um, which is very much a public identity and, you know, vote for this scumbag, endorse this scumbag when you have been publicly mistreated on the basis of your, you know, lady parts, like it benefits, made them a subject of conversation. So I took that to be about you and like, you know, a sort of tacit attempt to undermine, um, Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, it's an interesting question. I've always found like when I worked at Politico and when I was a contributor at CNN and even in college and that sort of left wing environment, I found if you keep your views to yourself and don't express them, that's how I've sort of made my way and made peace there. And I haven't found people necessarily coming up
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you know, a few people, a few people will come and pick fights with you. But the trouble comes if you actually openly express your views. Right. People don't like it. It's like if you want to talk about what you think becomes a problem. If you're going to keep your head down and not say what you think, like you can get by peaceably.
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A couple of reasons. I mean, first of all, the goal should be to have the president there makes it a more newsworthy event. And one thing we haven't talked about is that there's talk of actually the White House participating in a counter-programming event with conservative journalists. which would actually take the air out of this event.
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But Eugene Daniels, who was a co-author of Political Playbook, sort of the flagship newsletter of the D.C. elites, has quit that and left to be a host on the left wing MSNBC, which is spinning off from MSNBC or from NBC to become its own network. independent network.
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And as a result of that, there have been calls for him to resign from the White House Correspondents from the presidency of the White House Correspondents Association, which is supposed to be held by somebody who's an ostensibly neutral White House reporter. And he's resisted those
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calls, I think there's also been some unhappiness with the way the White House Correspondents Association has managed this rift with the White House over the White House's takeover of the pool, the White House press pool. This is all very, very Washington inside baseball. But the long and short of it is there is a vibe shift in this town.
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And this is part of it, which is that it now hurts you to have some lunatic comedian who um, appearing at the white house correspondence association dinner.
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And rather than be honest about that and say, this is not an appropriate entertainer for our dinner because she said X, Y, and Z, uh, they're doing a New York times and they are lying to their audience, um, about the real reasons for this shift. Um, and beyond that, um, You know, the ultimate defense of comedy is being funny. And she did not have that defense.
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You know, like that's just no, that's right.
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I agree with all of that. However, I hate to say, I do think that this podcast thing that Newsom is doing is pretty smart if he wants to run for president in 2028. No, it is smart. It appears he is laser focused on that. And Maher actually introduced him as, you know, he's running for president, too. Because he's like, look, you said he's worse except for Tim Walz.
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Well, he's doing better than like the vast majority than the Democratic Party, which is switching his position. So he's like, you know, far ahead of all of them. And so the question really is, like, are people going to hold it against him that he is switched all of his positions? I'm not sure if that's really going to matter four years from now. There's going to be lots of embarrassing video.
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But that's sort of the question that's hanging in my mind is how much will that dog him? But but he's doing better than the rest of his party mates.
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Thanks, Megan.
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I mean, those were tough times for those folks, but this is a very different environment for Trump.
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And they did Usha Vance. Oh, Usha, that's right.
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Melania is the class of one. None of us wants to compete against Melania.
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You know, what I thought was so interesting is these are some of the ones he highlighted in his address. What we read in the news over the weekend was that he's going to sign between 100 and 200. Not totally clear. And I think there were mixed messages coming out from the Trump folks, how many exactly there were going to be.
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The ones he chose to highlight in his inaugural address were ones, these things probably have 70% support from the American people. So he was clearly strategic about what he chose to highlight. The gender and DEI won. That's the issue that he probably won the presidency on. I mean, his most viral ad was, I'm for you, she's for they, them. Yes.
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And about Kamala Harris's support for taxpayer funded gender transitions for illegal immigrants and prisons. The birthright citizenship one will be controversial. But overall, like these are things that the, you know, broad segments of the American people support. So I'll be interested to see which other ones come out tonight.
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And like, do they get lost in this big shuffle of doing 100 as opposed to.
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You know, he'll never be more powerful than he is today.
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It's so true. One of the questions that raised in my mind, actually, is it puts Democrats in an interesting position for the 2028 campaign. And if anybody cares to ask in the media, so where do they stand on these executive orders? Are they going to campaign against them? Will they undo them on their day? King's not going to ask about it. You know, Trump's not running again.
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but it does put them in an interesting spot.
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Well, there's some real differences between Joe Biden and Barack Obama, which is why I don't think there's much love lost between the two. You mean one is a sort of sentient being. His brain is functioning. There's that. Let's say Joe Biden at the top of his game and Barack Obama at the top of his game. All right. Let's just let's make that comparison, which is that.
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Barack Obama is a genuine once-in-a-generation political talent. And so is Donald Trump. And they both tug on real parts of the American character and things that the country wants to believe it is. And now they're both two-term presidents. And I think you could see at the Carter funeral that these guys have grudging, if genuine, but genuine respect for each other as political athletes.
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You know... Obama, the country, I think, wanted to elect a black president and Obama played on those things. But like he's a real rhetorical superstar. And and Trump is, too, in a completely different way. And America likes an underdog story. And to Trump's credit, his genius was flipping so much of the conventional wisdom of the Republican Party on its head. Yeah. Oh, he remade the
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party and the country. The immigration stuff you talked about, that was not the position. You know, when he ran in 2015, we were coming on the heels of, and you were at Fox, Megan. Yeah. When I remember out of 2012, it was like comprehensive immigration reform. And even, you know, I remember like the prime time at Fox was like, we got to get behind it. The autopsy, Mitt Romney. Oh yeah.
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And Trump was able to pierce through that and say, like, people don't want that. And
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And like maybe no more comedian snafus. Oh, yeah. I don't think they want any jokes about Puerto Rico.
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Part of me thinks that this this stuff started like in the 90s and it's taken a generation or a generation and a half that it's been that long that the country's lived with this. And it's trickled down from the country's most elite institution into the public schools. And that was why that was when and why people really revolted against this, because when it doesn't touch you.
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What does it matter? You don't quite know what it is. And that's also with the gender ideology that started to trickle down into the public schools.
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Totally. Those are the people who will pay the biggest costs in applying to colleges, applying to jobs. Um, you know, like we're, we're set up. I mean, more or less we've been through the ringer and I think about it, you know, with, we think we look at our kids and think, Oh, I, at least I do. Like I wouldn't want to be them going through all of this. Good luck kids.
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But, you know, I do think it was living with us for 30, 40 years.
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Yeah, we got to get to that.
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I read it differently, actually. I thought he was just trying to normalize the date he set for Hunter. And he's like, oh, yeah, Hunter's went back to 2014, so that's going to be the date for everyone. Because I think... his families did too for the crooked brothers and the in-laws. Like that just became the date for it did. But like the sister-in-laws, I don't really know.
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Um, but the statement that went with the pardons for his family, I mean, I got to find it. We got to assume like Biden didn't write this, but, uh, We can't expect him to have any level of self-awareness, but I just pulled it up on my phone where he says that he's protecting them against baseless and politically motivated investigations.
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And he says they wreak havoc on the lives, safety, and financial security of targeted individuals and their families. Even when individuals have done nothing wrong and will ultimately be exonerated, the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage their reputations and finances. That is, and he called it the worst kind of partisan politics.
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Coming from the ostensible leader of a party that pioneered and used lawfare as its primary electoral strategy, it really is galling. It's just shocking. And for them to think that They always said Trump was going to do it. And he may have egged on his crowds to say, lock her up. But he then actually didn't sick the Department of Justice on his political enemies when he got in there.
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And I think said to advisers, like, I'm not actually going to do that. But now. What leg do they have to stand on if Trump wants to go in and preemptively pardon his entire White House staff and go after his political enemies? He should.
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But to me, that's not even the point. The Hunter pardon and this pardon are shockingly bad.
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That's right. They could say, I did nothing wrong.
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The process is the punishment.
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But Trump didn't lose because he had restrictive immigration policies in 2016 or 2020. He didn't lose because of kids in cages. And I think now he knows how important it is. I'm not sure those images will be particularly damaging to him. You said today at the after party. They show he's actually doing something. He's having a real impact.
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And it's not just happening at the border. As we've seen in the past four years, it's happening in New York City and it's happening in Chicago and it's happening in Colorado. And that's why I think he got coast to coast support for this policy nationally is that like DEI and the gender ideology that trickled down to touch all Americans, so did this immigration crisis where it was everywhere.
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Yeah, right. Exactly.
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But he'll get to it later. But you know who you know who I want to hear from, who I think has his finger on the pulse of, you know, all immigration changes is probably not him. Not him at all. He thinks he's subject of a defamation lawsuit at NBC over coverage of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. So maybe not him. The uterus collector. That's right.
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I saw that and then I never followed up on that.
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He's not a good person.
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You know, there's another aspect of that. I looked at it and saw something different, which is interesting, but there were a lot of storylines colliding in that moment, which is that he chose Brett Kavanaugh, Supreme Court Justice, to administer the oath to him. And his wife, Usha, clerked for Kavanaugh, I believe on the D.C. Circuit, and then she clerked for John Roberts.
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So she was a clerk to the two guys who were up there administering the oaths of office. I had a conversation with J.D. way back when, before he ran for any kind of office, who relayed the impact that Kavanaugh's ordeal had on him and sort of the way he saw things. Well, Trump played a big role in sticking by Kavanaugh and getting him elected to the court.
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And Kavanaugh is also a longtime friend of Amy Chua's at Yale. And her daughter, I believe, also clerked for him. So he's sort of a central figure in all of this. And it was really nice to see him up there sort of tying it all together. Totally agree.
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Not a lot of people of color except second lady of the United States.
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His wife was clerking too and had a newborn baby while she clerked for the court. And he played a big role in helping her out while she was doing something else.
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He would have gotten the Emhoff treatment. Totally.
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what cracked me up was um jfk's grandson a great grandson i don't know how to tweet yeah that was like oh she's more beautiful than jackie o and somebody was like that's your grandma dude what seriously that's weird that is weird that's really weird i don't know what that is about um
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That's exactly what she wanted. You can't look away. You can't look away. Oh, I can't. It was like bombs out in the rotunda. And we were joking before the show, like, are we going to? No, it's not going to happen.
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The Washington Free Beacon. We'll be writing about that. I love the Beacon. Okay, we have full fashion analysis. No, woman of the year.
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It's going to be a wild ride.
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I'm watching TikTok because that was an executive order too. That was a 90 day reprieve. Trump wants to work out a deal where it's 50% U.S. owned. You're already hearing Republicans push back. Tom Cotton in particular, who is a Trump ally. I don't know that you can undo a
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Biden saying, I'm just not going to enforce this was another example. You signed the law.
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Well, you know, it could be 75 degrees and I wouldn't want to stand outside for in a crowd like that. But for this Minnesota girl, I was like all bundled up this morning, ready to track. I was afraid I was going to have to walk five blocks to get here. It's not cold out. Oh, come on. It's cold. 20 degrees. It's fine. But it feels like seven with the wind. Yes. But anything above zero.
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For us hardy Midwesterners, again. Upstate New York and Wisconsin. I was going to say. I don't want to be out there, but it was not as cold as I thought it would be. We get it, Eliana. You're very tough.
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Normal people. Yeah. Of course. In fact, like, Joe Rogan, he's going to make it in. Yeah. But, you know, Joe Schmo from... Minnesota is not going to make it in.
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You know, one striking thing about this inauguration, 2024 versus 2016, is crowd size would not have been a problem this go-round. So that's too bad for Trump. But then even when you look at who was inside, it was the CEO of Google, CEO of Meta, every corporate CEO, the CEO of TikTok, CEO of Amazon, and his wife, who I know we'll get to. But what's striking to me is that
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America's top corporations and their leaders, they want to be associated with and want to be seen with this guy, which is a really striking contrast from eight years ago. It was not the case. They want to be associated with him. And then I think it will be quite different depending on how this term goes for people working in the White House and coming out of the White House.
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I'm actually not sure if in their own mind they even distinguish between sexual assault and rape and that they themselves may be so convinced that Trump is guilty. That they elided the two things.
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You know, we just don't know what happened behind the scenes, but it's perfectly plausible to me that they dislike their visceral dislike of Trump goes so far that that they weren't all that familiar with the distinctions that the jury made, frankly.
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Right. It's a really bad look. And I would add to this, it sets a... A scary precedent for two other libel suits that are underway, one against CNN and one against NBC. that are far stronger cases and have progressed much further than ABC News let this one progress.
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The one against CNN is about an incident that occurred on Jake Tapper's show where a former military veteran who was, or a military veteran who was working to extract Afghans out of Afghanistan during the collapse of the government there, CNN insinuated that he was engaged in fraud.
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And at MSNBC, where they called a doctor working in immigrant detention facilities, a uterus collector, arguing that he was performing hysterectomies unnecessarily. And those suits, you know, Jake Tapper's deposition was taken. Um, and dirt came out in that. So, um, this has to be sending a chill, not just through ABC, but like CNN and MSNBC cannot be feeling good today.
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Well, that's where the malice comes in, where not only have you been apprised that you made a factual error that impugned somebody's character. by saying a falsehood about them on national television, you then go and repeat it and dig your heels in once again on national television.
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And so that I think is actually pretty good grounds for showing malice, where you say, not only did I do it the first time, but I was right. I was right. No apologies. Because the pretty easy way to get out of these things is to do what ABC News has now done, where you put a correction up and say, We regret the error.
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But that is not that is not the attitude that George Stephanopoulos took in the Stephen Colbert interview after the litigation had been filed.
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You know, the most astonishing thing in the Acosta Stelter clip is that they're defending as some matter of journalistic integrity, the right to say false things about the president of the United States and to misinform their viewers on national television.
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One would think the reaction would be, you know, this is unfortunate, but we have such a major responsibility that we do pay a price when we screw up And don't correct ourselves promptly and tell our viewers the truth in a prompt manner. And fortunately here at CNN, we don't have anything to worry about because we just strive to bring viewers the truth and the straight facts every day.
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But I mean, this is not the one I would really try to stand on principle on.
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Yeah. You get it now, right? We all, we all understand it.
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Yeah, Trump has always had lawsuits as a weapon in his arsenal. And what's surprising, we said, this is astonishing that the ABC News lawsuit succeeded. So what's surprising is when they're meritorious, when they have success, when George Stephanopoulos and ABC News are forced to pay $15 million because they were so sloppy.
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So I have not seen or read about the three that you just mentioned, but it does strike me that the CBS News one, while I know that the three of us have talked about the CBS News edits and Trump's claims about them on the show. Look, what they did may have been wrong. We may take issue with it, but I sort of doubt they transgressed a law there.
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Um, and, uh, and the Pulitzer one, I just don't know anything about, I would have to go read their statements. Um, but it shouldn't be surprising to anybody that Trump is suing all these people. He's, um, he's one of the most litigious people in the country. Uh, so, you know, let's, let's just, uh, expect lots of legal funds. I will say though, um, where he files the suits is important.
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The ABC news lawsuit was filed in Florida. Which meant that unlike some of the other lawsuits that we've seen brought against Trump, which were successful because he faced hostile juries, I think that the ABC News suit had more likelihood of success because ABC News would have faced a hostile jury in the state of Florida.
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look to me the open question in this um and it's amazing it's actually a syrian media watchdog that called cnn on this um is was cnn in on this or were they duped um did they want and were they um making a made for TV moment. Did they participate in this or were they totally hoodwinked?
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And reports about the man's actual identity were that he was a member of Bashar al-Assad's military forces who tortured those who refused to bribe him. That's what the Syrian media watchdog is saying. So he's not only was he not a prisoner Assad, he was a henchman of Assad's. So it's pretty far off the mark for CNN.
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Yeah, I think it goes back to our initial conversation that they decided that paying $15 million was less painful than the protracted embarrassment and potential humiliation of what would come out in those documents. You know, then the PR cost to them. And as we saw, it's actually interesting to contrast that with Fox News, where basically they did go through discovery.
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They were going to go through trial. They ended up suffering the PR costs and paying the money. It's like, you know, they might as well just paid the money and avoided all the discovery and the depositions, which seems to be what ABC News did here.
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Well, I think you're exactly right. It'd be one conversation if we were going to talk about, look, she made the decision to go along to get along, and this is the way to silence her critics. And OK, you know, one could understand that. But the reality is that accepting this award and then saying what she said is not going to silence any critics. It's not going to help her go along to get along.
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And you see that from the reaction of the Mystics owner saying, And which is why it's clear she's young and and stupid and unsophisticated and doesn't realize this. But the thing that really struck me, Megan, is I grew up a fan of the NBA in the era of Michael Jordan.
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And since then, as I followed less closely, the major NBA stars have been since Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, all African-American men. And is the stipulation that female basketball fans are somehow uniquely racist? You know, Caitlin Clark is really talented, but we haven't seen race be a barrier to major, major stardom in the male basketball league and riches.
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And that's what we've seen in the NBA, of course. We're reacting to her color. Exactly. Time and again in the NBA where the talent and hard work, there's actually a wonderful Netflix series on about these NBA players and follows their families. LeBron James is one of them.
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But, you know, the amount when you watch and really appreciate the amount of hard work it takes to be an elite athlete the way these guys are, it's just astonishing. And and when you see that they're not talking about the racism of NBA fans.
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Right. We have no idea. And I would say that the Biden administration is bedeviled in terms of its credibility with the public by the fact that there was a Chinese spy balloon that flying over the country that it did not tell the public about until Americans saw it hovering in the sky. And it was a public pressure campaign that forced the administration to disclose what that was.
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And so when you hear them saying, we have no idea what this is, I think it sort of strains credulity. And Kirby's response wasn't like, hey, you know, we don't know what this is. We're taking it very seriously and we're in the process of putting policy options in front of the president. We're going to have we're going to come to a decision in the coming days. It just didn't, you know.
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Something didn't seem quite right.
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A good point. And I point out that if they don't know what these drones are doing and can't find out in about 30 minutes, that should frighten every American. So both of the I think both alternatives here that we have are that they know and they're not disclosing it or they don't know are are disturbing.
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This is astonishing for a number of reasons, a couple of which we haven't touched on yet. But I really can't recall a case in which a major national news organization had to pay a sum like this to a celebrity or politician in the U.S. And that's particularly because the protections for news organizations are so high. So you can't be sued just for saying something untrue.
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Can't be sued for libel or defamation for saying something untrue. Trump would have had to show that George Stephanopoulos did so with actual malice. That's the standard. And it's a very high standard. But this this case never went that far. And I think that's the question is ABC actually might have had a strong case because because it is so hard to win these lawsuits.
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And the question is, why did they settle? Why did they settle and why did they settle now? Was it that they didn't want to be involved in litigation with the sitting president of the United States? Or was it that they knew very embarrassing and unflattering things would come out in the discovery process or that Stephanopoulos would be forced to make embarrassing admissions in a deposition?
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We don't know. But to me, there are some serious unanswered questions about why the settlement was made and around the timing of it that lead to speculation around those things. I have to assume that it was one of those things and that paying $15 million now was less painful for them than going through a potentially humiliating or embarrassing discovery process.