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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol: Trump Loves Fraud

Mon, 27 Jan 2025

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Gullible Republicans have really been proving what they're made of recently, including Susan Collins, who claims Trump wants to root out corruption, even though his whole life has been a fraud—the water, the university, and "The Apprentice," just for starters. Meanwhile, the presidents of Mexico and Colombia are showing that they're not going to bend over in service of Trump's vanity. Plus, JD's Johnny-come-lately Catholicism, and the tech titans's clash with DEI may be helping the US lose the lead in AI.  Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes: Colombian President Gustavo Petro's statement on Twitter (hit translate post) Timothée Chalamet on SNL

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00:08 - 00:19 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It's Monday, January 27th. Trump's been president again for about a week now. Feels longer. And I'm here today with Bill Kristol.

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00:19 - 00:30 Bill Kristol

How you doing, Bill? It does feel longer than a week. It does. I don't know if it feels like... A month, six months, or a year, but we're not even talking like a little longer than a week, right?

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00:31 - 00:55 Tim Miller

Yeah. We are gathering today, as you note in the morning newsletter, on Holocaust Remembrance Day, so I think it's probably worth starting there. Shadow President Elon Musk zoomed in to a conference of the AFD. which is the German far-right party. At that gathering, he said he thinks that there's too much focused on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that.

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00:56 - 01:01 Tim Miller

You had a little meditation on this for Holocaust Remembrance Day today. I'd like for you to share your thoughts on that.

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00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

Well, Musk, of course, had done the salute, which wasn't really, of course, a fascist or Nazi salute. On Monday, he joked about it during the week. I actually wrote about that in Friday's Morning Shots. Then Saturday, he decided to video into an AFD rally in Germany. Okay, he's endorsed them. He likes them.

00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

It's indefensible in any case, but I suppose if you wanted to defend him, you could say he likes them for other reasons. They don't like the EU bureaucracy, tax cuts, Gorsuch, whatever they're for, judicial appointments. Instead, he actually focused on- Yeah, I know. I don't know. I feel bad for Gorsuch. That wasn't quite fair.

00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

But anyway, and yeah, instead he focuses on what is at the heart of their appeal, one of their major appeals, which is a kind of we've got to get beyond a successive cult of guilt. Musk actually used that phrase, I believe, and that's a phrase they use over there. About, you know, remembering the Holocaust, basically. And so I quote in the morning shots this tweet stream I came across.

00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

I don't know the man at all. Professor Martin Sauerbrei, based on Google. He seems to be a 45-year-old or so German historian.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

I love that he's at the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute for Research on the Consequences of War. That's a great quote. Great title. Yeah.

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