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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1042: Leah Litman and Andrew Egger: Grievance All the Way Down

14 May 2025

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The five men on the Supreme Court are so easily triggered and seem to be making law based on their emotional needs. Meanwhile, they also see discrimination in some of the best things about America—like equality or the First Amendment's Establishment Clause. And at the White House, the press office got totally bored with the worshipful questions from MAGA media and invited The Bulwark's Andrew Egger over—so Karoline Leavitt could mix it up with a reporter who'd definitely ask tough questions. Plus, Trump's crypto grift reaches new heights, Gorsuch is oddly obsessed with the EPA, and the toadies are getting whipsawed by the constant tariff adjustments. Leah Litman and Andrew Egger join Tim Miller. show notes Leah's book, "Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes" Leah's "Strict Scrutiny" podcast Tuesday's "Morning Shots" newsletter

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0.149 - 14.769 Advertisement Narrator

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28.413 - 48.381 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We've got a doubleheader today in segment two. My colleague, Andrew Egger, fresh off his star turn in the Trump White House briefing room, comes in to tell us how weird that was. But first, she's a professor of law at the University of Michigan, second straight University of Michigan guest. Hail to the victors.

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48.741 - 49.321 Advertisement Narrator

She's also co-

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49.881 - 63.749 Tim Miller

Go Blue. She's also co-host of the podcast Strict Scrutiny. She clerked for Anthony Kennedy, and she's the author of a brand new book, Lawless, How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes. It's Leah Lippman. What's going on, girl?

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64.79 - 68.612 Leah Litman

You know, same old, same old. Everything is amazing. World is looking great.

69.733 - 71.334 Tim Miller

Yeah. Who's got it better than us?

71.634 - 74.536 Leah Litman

Right. Exactly. Thanks, Jim Harbaugh. No.

76.007 - 99.945 Tim Miller

That's my sport reference for the day for you. Okay, I want to do book stuff and refresh my old Federalist Society originalist muscles from my Republican days on the back half of this. But first, just because there is so much going on, I've had several people pitching me about wanting to have me come on the pod to talk about upcoming Supreme Court cases. And I'm just like, y'all.

100.666 - 117.951 Tim Miller

Talk to me at the end of May. There's too much shit going on daily, day to day, until I get into what's coming on the Supreme Court docket. But I figured this would be a good chance to just get a little overview with you of the big cases coming up that we'll obviously be digging into deeper as the rulings are coming down. So, I mean, I just glanced at this morning.

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