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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

23 Apr 2025

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Trump may be brilliant at assaulting us with his daily distractions, but Democrats need to relentlessly target his corruption because that may be his weak spot. He is running the government in a pre-modern way—like it's his own personal piggy bank. And he has replaced rules-oriented bureaucrats with mostly incompetent loyalists who are only there to do his bidding. Meanwhile, Christianity could help heal the country's partisan polarization if it returns to the teachings of Jesus instead of the gospel of Donald Trump. Plus, the constant burden of having to fight the cognitive warfare and sensory overload coming out of the White House.  Brookings’ Jonathan Rauch joins Tim Miller.joins Tim Miller. show notes Jon's piece on Trump's patrimonialism Jon's predictions in 2022 about a Trump second term A Chris Murphy Senate floor speech on Trump's corruption Mark Hertling piece on the Russian and Ukrainian armies that Tim referenced Jon's new book, "Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy" Jon's book, "The Happiness Curve: Why Life Gets Better After 50" The opening scene of The Godfather

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68.373 - 88.945 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It's Wednesday. So if you're looking for political hot takes on Mayor Pete's voyage into the manosphere, Scotty Besson's damage control, Trump's approval numbers, head on over to the Next Level Podcast with Sarah JVL and I. That's going to come out later this evening. It comes out on Wednesday evenings. But on this show...

89.645 - 109.057 Tim Miller

We're getting a little sociological and ecclesiastical and welcoming senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution, a contributing writer at The Atlantic. His latest book is Cross Purpose, Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy. It's Jonathan Rauch. Hey, Jonathan. Hi, happy to be here. Welcome, welcome. I guess you were on the spot with Charlie a while back.

109.117 - 128.43 Tim Miller

I was trying to check. I went and re-listened to that this morning. So it's a welcome back, not a welcome. Appreciate you. And I want to get to the new book in a bit, I promise. But I feel like I have to pick your brain about what's happening in D.C. first. You wrote a column for years called, what's called Social Studies. Is that right? Yeah.

128.59 - 137.737 Tim Miller

On kind of how government and society interact and function and So looking at the first three months of this administration, do you ever imagine the social studies will look anything like this?

137.997 - 162.756 Jonathan V. Last

No, no. You know, I'm in the same boat a lot of people are. I'm astonished, bewildered, disoriented, dismayed, distressed, distracted, sometimes depressed. You know, everything that begins with a D. In the dumps. Is what I am. We're seeing everyday things that were unimaginable in the America that I grew up in, or at least thought I grew up in. So there's that. And you know, this is on purpose.

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