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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1003: Ben Wittes: Putin Makes A Fool of Trump, Again

19 Mar 2025

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The Art of the Deal guy gave a master class on how to get worked over by Putin: First, wait around for an hour like an obedient puppy only to have your ceasefire proposal summarily rejected. Then, watch the Kremlin issue a statement that flatly contradicts your claims of what transpired during the phone call on Ukraine. Will there ever be a point when Putin embarrasses Trump so much that he has to defend his manhood? Plus, the possible interpretations of John Roberts's rebuke of Trump, and the administration's sacrifice of even more U.S. power—by silencing the Voice of America. Ben Wittes joins Tim Miller. show notes Ben's Lawfare piece on Trump destroying the Voice of America Tim's and Sam's interview with Tim Mak on the Trump-Putin phone call NYT story on the possibly deleted data on kidnapped Ukrainian children (gifted)

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0.898 - 19.366 Advertisement Narrator

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28.319 - 42.599 Tim Miller

Hallo und willkommen zu The Bullard Podcast. Ich bin euer Host Tim Miller. Es ist Donnerstag. Also, wenn ihr für einen politischen Chatter sucht oder ihr möchtet, dass ihr ein paar Ansätze auf den Minnesota-Staatssenator hört, der versucht hat, Trump-Verlust-Syndrom zu machen,

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43.181 - 62.866 Tim Miller

An official mental illness in the state of Minnesota and then a few hours later was caught in a sting trying to have sex with a 16-year-old girl. Hmm, that was truly such a shame. Too bad. Tough break for that guy. If you want to hear more about that, over on the next level. It's Wednesday. So go check out the next level. Download that podcast feed, wherever you get your podcasts.

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62.906 - 85.658 Tim Miller

It'll be up late Wednesday. But we're going to focus on serious matters here, legal matters, and I'm delighted to have with me Good to see you. What's happening, man? Welcome back. So good to be here. Yeah, how's the lawfare traffic these days? Website traffic? Does the chart go up? Does it kind of look like the Ethereum stock chart a little bit maybe?

91.241 - 102.003 Ben Wittes

Yeah, the worse things get, the better it is for us. And so, you know, we're always have mixed feelings about doom and gloom, democracy-wise, because it's good for business.

102.484 - 112.846 Tim Miller

I talked about this with Jessica Charloff yesterday. Do you have any kind of emotional hedge? Do you have any issues, any therapy that you need to do or about...

113.046 - 140.076 Ben Wittes

kind of this natural inclination to kind of get a little excited when something absolutely terrible happens for this administration because you're kind of rooting against america do you have any issues with that that you're dealing with i actually struggle with this a lot because i am by inclination deeply deeply anti-leninist you know that whole maximize the contradictions thing i really don't believe in it i really think we should always

140.575 - 160.027 Ben Wittes

Ich hoffe, dass wir falsch sind und dass das Land überlebt. Ich habe nicht für den Präsidenten gewählt und so weiter. Aber ich hoffe, dass ich jeden Grund hatte, dass ich Angst hatte, dass seine Regel falsch war und dass wir gut unter ihm arbeiten. And boy, do I not feel that right now.

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