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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1046: David French: Schizo-in-Chief

Tue, 20 May 2025

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One day Trump sounds like Bernie promising the government will provide for everything. Then the next, he's like Paul Ryan the belt-tightener, prepping for austerity. And Code Pink was the order of the day when Mr. Tough Guy was in Saudi Arabia—attacking the foreign policy of the United States in the land of the 9/11 hijackers. Plus, Trump's SCOTUS appointees show some spine, Marco is truly pathetic, the big, insane reconciliation bill would gut Medicaid and hurt MAGA voters even if Trump denies it, and the DOJ investigates the hiring practices of Chicago's mayor. David French joins join Tim Miller. show notes David's podcast, "Advisory Opinions" Palestinians marching against Hamas in Gaza on Monday Go to https://surfshark.com/thebulwark or use code THEBULWARK at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN!

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Chapter 1: What are the contrasting economic policies of Trump?

2599.302 - 2602.083 David Frum

Oh, it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.

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2602.103 - 2625.774 David Frum

The direct attack on the United States of America, the direct attack sort of on our history and our foreign policy and all of its predecessors, and then the appeasement of a Russian dictator, the imitation in many ways of a Russian dictator's approach to foreign policy, where this whole spheres of influence, where Canada now becomes more of an enemy than Russia in some ways.

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2625.974 - 2637.198 David Frum

I mean, what are we even... We're trying to bully and intimidate our neighbors the way that Putin tries to bully and intimidate his neighbors. This is something that—and here's what's frustrating to me, Tim.

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2638.359 - 2663.444 David Frum

Such a small percentage of Americans pay close attention to politics that there are millions of Republicans who are walking around still thinking that the Republican Party is the hawkish party on national defense. They're still thinking that this is—if you want strength— If you want toughness, you go to Donald Trump. And what we are seeing is with Trump, you're beginning to see appeasement.

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2664.245 - 2684.061 David Frum

Not just beginning to see, you're seeing appeasement. You're seeing abandonment of allies. You're seeing weakness. You're seeing retreat. You're not seeing toughness. And then this much vaunted Houthi bombing campaign, which I think one of Biden's failures was his failure to deal with the Houthis and Trump was gonna do it. And so for a month or whatever, he bombs the crap out of the Houthis.

2684.361 - 2687.343 Tim Miller

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought he was a builder, not a bomber. He was bombing the Houthis?

2687.984 - 2703.616 David Frum

He was in the bombing phase, which is the pre-building phase, right? Got it. And so he's bombing the crap out of the Houthis to no apparent effect. And then just like calls it a day. And I guess the shipping lanes aren't as vital anymore. I mean, it's all very confusing.

2703.696 - 2725.212 David Frum

And, you know, my newsroom colleagues at the Times wrote up a really tremendous report of sort of the confusion around the bombing campaign. And And how it was, how ineffective it was. And let's look at the Pete Hegseth record so far. We've had a signal chat scandal. We've had the loss of a lot of his senior team. We've had a signal chat scandal 2.0.

2725.892 - 2733.319 David Frum

And we've had a completely ineffective bombing campaign against the Houthis. But hey, at least the military isn't woke anymore, Tim.

Chapter 6: How are inflation and fiscal policy impacting the GOP?

2664.245 - 2684.061 David Frum

Not just beginning to see, you're seeing appeasement. You're seeing abandonment of allies. You're seeing weakness. You're seeing retreat. You're not seeing toughness. And then this much vaunted Houthi bombing campaign, which I think one of Biden's failures was his failure to deal with the Houthis and Trump was gonna do it. And so for a month or whatever, he bombs the crap out of the Houthis.

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2684.361 - 2687.343 Tim Miller

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought he was a builder, not a bomber. He was bombing the Houthis?

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2687.984 - 2703.616 David Frum

He was in the bombing phase, which is the pre-building phase, right? Got it. And so he's bombing the crap out of the Houthis to no apparent effect. And then just like calls it a day. And I guess the shipping lanes aren't as vital anymore. I mean, it's all very confusing.

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2703.696 - 2725.212 David Frum

And, you know, my newsroom colleagues at the Times wrote up a really tremendous report of sort of the confusion around the bombing campaign. And And how it was, how ineffective it was. And let's look at the Pete Hegseth record so far. We've had a signal chat scandal. We've had the loss of a lot of his senior team. We've had a signal chat scandal 2.0.

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2725.892 - 2733.319 David Frum

And we've had a completely ineffective bombing campaign against the Houthis. But hey, at least the military isn't woke anymore, Tim.

2734.02 - 2751.12 Tim Miller

Well, no, they're tough. It's the tough military guys. They're really taking out the hooties that we just gave up after a month. You know, and also, David, like, look, this is the thing. If everybody could just be happy and build golf courses and have crypto... Why would they do wars? Wars aren't about anything anyway. It's just all about money and happiness.

2751.28 - 2765.249 Tim Miller

And if Donald Trump can just go and give people hugs and let them use his fake currency and like build cool resorts, then peace will come in our time. That's right. I think that's right. History has proven that out.

2766.775 - 2786.525 Unknown Speaker

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2786.746 - 2791.828 Unknown Speaker

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