The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Tue, 18 Mar 2025
The fastest growing demographic class in America is billionaires—we've gone from 500 to 2,500 in the past 10 years. And they know the cheapest, easiest way to get richer: Give a million bucks to Mr. Pay-to-Play in the Oval Office. Meanwhile, maybe just maybe POTUS's confidant in Moscow deposited some cash in his Swiss bank account AKA TrumpCoin, and that's why he is working so hard to get Ukraine to surrender. Also, Dems really need to focus on one or two issues to counter Trump's flood the zone strategy: like the threat to Social Security or questioning why Elon is not applying DOGE to his own Tesla subsidies. Plus, young men are the most anxious, depressed, and obese generation in history and we've really got to help them. Jessie Tarlov and Scott Galloway join Tim Miller. show notes Raging Moderates podcast
Chapter 1: Who are the guests on this episode?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Could not be more delighted to be here today with the co-host of the Raging Moderates Podcast, Scott Galloway, professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, also host of the Prof G Pod and co-host of Pivot with Kara Swisher. It's the only man that pods more than I do out in the world.
And you know Jessica Tarloff from the clips on Twitter. She's the co-host of The Five on Fox News. And I discovered when I was on y'all's show that you're actually Jessie. So we're friends now. So I can call you Jessie. Yeah, we're in. They didn't want their prime Jessie. To be dunked on by a girl Jessie. I'm definitely backup Jessie.
They kind of gave you some gender-confirming name care over at Fox, I guess.
Oh, my God. That's a good argument to make, to be like, you guys are against this, and yet, look what you have done to me, one of your liberal prize possessions. No, boy Jessie and girl Jessie is just too confusing. Another host on Fox called him Jessica Waters one day, and he flipped out on air. It was very funny.
I like that. I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket. I want to start with you guys. I'm very jealous of your brand of the podcast, The Raging Moderates. And I want to know who gets the credit for it.
Scott.
Oh, Jess, I don't like to take credit for things. I appreciate that.
Oh, go on.
No, no, no, really. I'm not comfortable talking about me. Yes, Tim, it was entirely my idea. There were forces against the idea. That was an easy one. And what's interesting is now every person from CNN has an idea for something called the normies or something. Yeah. Anyways, it's all about the brand. Although people say we're more raging than we are moderate.
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Chapter 2: What is the concept behind the Raging Moderates podcast?
Yeah, they're not at their all-time highs, but it's not like they've crashed. I wouldn't even say they've corrected. They've just come down a bit. So right now, all the catastrophizing around the economy, I think it could happen. I think it may happen.
But so far, it would be unfair to say that the economy is crashing and there's evidence that these policies... I mean, economic history shows these policies don't work. But the loss in capital here, we've lost $5 trillion in market cap, but we're just back to where we were six months ago, and we're still up year on year. So... Things are bad. They've been a lot worse before.
Jesse, that takes me kind of to the political question on this, because I agree with Scott's assessment, right? So it's not like this is an economic calamity right now. It is true, though, that the Republicans successfully ran on kind of annoying policies.
inflation you know staying high that the economy wasn't wasn't running on those cylinders under sleepy joe biden or whatever like they successfully made the economic argument and all the indicators have gotten worse in the next two months despite all of the horrors of the project 2025 and all the stuff that gets us really upset about you know democracy i mean like is this the the play i guess for democrats to focus on on economic matters how do you think they should take that on
I think so. I mean, the most important color in the election was the color green, right? That was the lesson in all of this. When you look at how many Black and Latino voters switched the way that they vote, not in the billionaire class, but regular 40-somethings, right? 30 and 40-somethings, Gen Zs coming into this thinking that if you have...
you know, a big bad businessman, he's going to make my life financially better, even if I find him to be repellent, which has always been the play with Trump, right? That people say, I don't like who he is. Don't listen to what he's saying. I don't think about women this way. I don't think about minorities this way.
But he obviously knows what he's doing because he's run this big business that's had like 40,000 bankruptcies or whatever. But yes, this is, to my mind, basically the only play. I think there will be some folks who get animated about what happens on the immigration front.
That would have been my rage rant if you yelled at me. But I agree with you. It's probably not the most politically salient. It's just most personally enraging.
Yes, that one for me. I mean, I had a due process fight yesterday on the five that made my head spin.
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Chapter 3: What has made the hosts rage about Trump 2.0?
You know, like, I just think that maybe there's a sharper, sharper way to do it. Scott, you've kind of already alluded to this, so I guess we'll start with you. I want to do Dems in the Wilderness stuff and what they should be doing. You already talked about how you think they should be more focused on their message. How do you get attention, though, with a more focused message?
Tactically speaking, we had this big showdown on the Hill that fizzled where Schumer decided not to really go to the mat on the government shutdown. So that opportunity has passed. How do you get attention? I mean, going out there and talking specifically about how tax cuts for the rich are bad is good. But how do you get on to the five? How do you break through to people?
Well, first off, just to your point, there's so many things to be enraged. I was trying to pick which one I wanted to put forward. To not go upstream of Musk and what I think is the illegal usurp of constitutional power and shut down the government. just shows how fucking stupid we are.
I just think that is outrageous that we're letting the government essentially become a vehicle for the transfer of wealth and rights from the poor and the middle class to the rich. We just sort of said, this isn't a government, we're shutting it down. I think it's unforgivable that we didn't just say, look, fine, have at it.
You've decided the government is no longer really about democracy and constitution, so we're not going to continue to fund it. and let the chips fly. And I think we should have channeled Mitch McConnell, who has bested and beat the shit out of Charles Schumer every round for 15 million rounds running. I was incredibly disappointed. I thought that was an enormous strategic error on our part.
So one, it's discipline around messaging. What you guys are saying is really powerful. Go to the data. You want to 6X the Doge savings? All right, let's get efficient. $2.6 billion, according to the Wall Street Journal so far. You want to 6X it? Stop all subsidies immediately to Tesla. Boom, 6X the efficiency of Doge. Let's get focused. Let's use data.
I think, one, we need more discipline around messaging, more data. And then I also think we need to do a better job of synchronicity. If you look at the right, they're much better at coordinating their think tanks, their media, their politicians.
around a very synchronized message we are somewhat like someone having a seizure with limbs flailing everywhere so we need more discipline around messaging no don't spend your your precious human capital and your platform on whether or not the helicopter crashes a dei don't even go there on naming god we just fine have at it the tape brothers don't talk about them
That's just a distraction meant to enrage and distract people. Talk about these one or these two issues. And then what we really need help with is, quite frankly, putting some of our senior citizens on an ice floe who are not able to reach people where they are right now. And that is some of our younger spokespeople need, in my opinion, greater license and rope to meet people where they are.
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