Jessica Tarlov
Appearances
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I did my regular life. Das war ein verrückter Moment. Ich hatte den Doppelstrahler, ich hatte beide meine Mädchen mit mir. Ich war in die Kirche, um ein paar Kekse zu holen, weil all das, was du mit jungen Kindern suchst, ist eine Aktivität, richtig? Um sie aus dem Haus zu holen. Ich war so, lass uns Kekse holen. Und dieser junge Mann, den ich gesehen habe, war ein bisschen mich auszusehen.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
All of that is true. As someone who lived in London for a long time and was over there when Brexit was happening, I hope they backs it. I had not heard that term. They had buyer's remorse about 20 minutes after the decision came down. And they were fed a lot of propaganda to make them make that choice. Thank you, Nigel Farage. But
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
A stronger Europe and a less dependent Europe is to some degree Donald Trump fulfilling one of his promises, which is to get us out of the global order in the way that we have been. And his voters overwhelmingly don't think that we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. He is actually being responsive to his own voters in saying that. And this has been going on for the last year or two.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think people were really jazzed about the conflict in the beginning where Ukraine was pulling off these incredible defeats and they seemed like they were going to win. And something changed. Russia was not falling apart in the way that they expected. Donald Trump and co. were obviously amplifying that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Aber es bringt zu dieser größeren Frage, wenn die Leute, die dich nach Washington gesendet haben, eine bestimmte Art und Weise von etwas fühlen, ist es deine Aufgabe, dann in so einer Art zu reagieren oder Entscheidungen zu machen, die mit dem verbunden sind? Oder gehst du mit dem, was eigentlich das richtige, was man in einem historischen Sinne tun kann?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I just know I was, you know, I was looking at the data on what Republicans support for elections. Vielen Dank. Right. We need that money to be spent on us rather than to be spent on a conflict abroad that, frankly, Democrats and Republicans have not effectively contextualized in the life of the average American.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So you could say, yeah, there are tons of people showing up at town halls who have World War II vets in their families, but they're probably outliers from the average person that I, you know, walked through. Yeah, this is a messaging issue in my view, because one, okay, it's 60, 65 billion dollars.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Und ich war so, okay, das ist cool, ich habe es noch. Und dann sagt er, hi, Mama. Und ich war so, oh mein Gott, es funktioniert. What is happening now? Has my sexual identity become mom? And then he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, burp me. What? Yeah, burp me, because I have kids, right? Like burp me, like you burp kids.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And what we've failed to do is show that the majority of this capital, a vast majority of it, ends up back in the U.S.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's so creepy. And then now I'm thinking, am I just a mom? Have I become only a vessel in life? And no one would want a cat call me about something distinct from my children. But I did have them with me. And also he seems like a total pervert. Anyway, that was the highlight of my weekend.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I wish someone in a position of electoral power had articulated it that way. Because I don't think that anyone thinks that they have a job or are making more money or that even they are safer at home, which is what they care about, versus lots of people who are abroad, because we've been involved in this conflict. And they thought that it would end in a year, two years.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now we're at the third anniversary of this. Yes, there have been tons of accomplishments in terms of what the Ukrainians have pulled off, but Russia is not going away. Basically, everyone admits that there have to be some sort of concessions. Even Zelensky has talked about that. Maybe not going back to... We do. All right. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Still has their soul or their moral compass. But then generally they get in line. And I think the confirmation process has really elucidated that. You know, this is Trump's party. This is Trump's administration. And they will do things Trump's way. So I'm not waiting for any Republican to save us from this. It does seem like the American public, though, may be the ones to do it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And I've been surprised by how quickly... Trumps Image und Approval Rating hat sich gesteigert oder gesteigert oder in den Augen der Menschen. Es gibt einige Polls, die zeigen, dass sein Approval nicht gesunken ist. Ich sollte das bemerken. Aber generell geht die Trendlinie in die negativen Richtung. Und das sind alle hohe Qualität Polls wie Gallup, Quinnipiac, Reuters und so weiter.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Die Dinge, die ich finde, die am wichtigsten sind in all dem, und das kommt aus einem Gallup-Poll, ist, dass nur 20% denken, dass die Wirtschaft exzellent oder gut ist und 59% denken, dass die Wirtschaft schlimmer wird. Also wollten die Leute einen Pocketbook-Reverso in ihrer Wahl machen. in electing Donald Trump on November 5th. They don't feel like they are getting it from him.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And you're seeing that reflected in the market and people are well aware. I think tariffs are the second most least popular thing that he's done. Number one was partnering all the January Sixers. And folks know what the tariffs are going to do to the American economy. I also saw that the Democrats are now up double digits on the generic ballot. Think how quickly...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Yeah, with respect to Doge, again, I think, I mean, it sort of goes to, okay, what to do. A common psychological warfare technique is to overwhelm the opposition with so many different outrageous things and so many different...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, it's more interesting than watching Moana, which I also did a number of times this weekend. So you live for very little. You remember the baby phase?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Ich stimme zu, und ich würde dazu hinweisen, dass es mehrere Analysen gegeben hat, was Doge tatsächlich getrennt hat, insbesondere von der konservativen Wall Street Journal. Also, während Musk da ist, sagt er, wir haben 55 Billionen in Trennung gefunden. Sie sagen, es sind 2,6 Billionen, tatsächlich. Und über einen multijährigen Zeitraum sind nur 2% von den Dei-Efforts.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Und der Rest ist einfach Dinge, die er vielleicht nicht wollen. Wie, du weißt, ein Drogen zu entwickeln, um Alzheimer zu heilen, zum Beispiel. Aber sie machen diese Sache, weil sie die Konversation auf Social Media kontrollieren, dass sie so schnell Shit posten, dass man nicht herausfinden kann, was wahr ist und was nicht wahr ist.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Und sie erzählen essentiell Leuten, dass Kontakte oder Teile der Information darüber, wie die föderale Regierung Dinge macht, dass sie es verursacht haben, wenn es alles öffentlich verfügbar ist. Aber schau dir das an, du brauchst Experten, die sich in diesem Daten beschäftigen, um es durchzuführen und dir zu sagen, nein, das ist öffentlich verfügbar auf einem anderen Ort.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Oder du gehst hier hin und das ist, wo du über diesen Kontrakt wissen würdest, zum Beispiel. And so the flooding the zone has been wildly effective, I think, in terms of controlling the discourse. But they have not been able to control the American people when it comes to this, because the people, two to one ratio, don't approve of Musk's outsized role in the government or what Doge is doing.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And in these town halls, which you cited, which are happening in Republican districts, everyone who's a swing district Republican down to people in very safe seats. These constituents are showing up and they're not only talking about Doge to the brass tacks stuff that you're discussing. They are losing their minds over this 880 billion dollar cut to Medicaid.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I can't. I'm the mom.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
They didn't think that this was going to have practical implications for them. Because guess what? It's not popular to sit around and say, oh, I love the federal government so much, right? And don't touch a single, you know, hair on the head of anyone who works at USAID. I mean, that's something that feels so foreign. und von den üblichen Amerikanern tägliche Leben.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Aber was nicht von ihnen ausgetauscht ist, ist Medicaid, Head Start, die 9-11-Health-Initiative. Ich meine, 9-11 war einer der mehr unifizierenden Momente in der amerikanischen Geschichte, richtig? Egal, wo du in diesem Land gelebt hast, egal, wie du gewählt hast, du warst überrascht.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
that we had a terrorist attack on American soil, that we lost 3,500 American lives and millions since then in terms of the repercussions with the air quality and the cancers that people developed from that. My dad died of a 9-11 cancer. You know, we're part of that 9-11 health initiative world because of the implications.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And when they go after something like that, when you live in rural Iowa, you say... Excuse me? How is it possible that that's on the chopping block? And Jon Stewart has always been such an effective messenger on this subject, because he'll show up in Congress to say, you're going after absolutely the wrong things.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You have something that has, what, a 90% approval rating, let's say, the folks that went down there and cleaned up after that terrorist attack, or who have worked in the support system, the family members of the heroes that died that day, and that's who you want to be coming out?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We heard all of these fantasies about 50 million dollars for condoms for people in Gaza or supporting the arts for transgender people in Liberia or whatever lies they were telling us. And they're just not being borne out by the data. And people are getting that message. And Democrats really have to stick to the script on this. There is a budget that will be being brought to the floor.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's going through the Rules Committee today. So Wenn das morgen, am Dienstag, veröffentlicht wird, wird es da kommen, und die Republikaner werden darauf votieren. Und es hat einen 880-Billionen-Dollar-Kreis zu Medicaid in es. Und es gibt konservative Gesetzgeber, die für die Führung bitten. Ja, genau. So there is plenty in here to be going after.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But I think it is important to say time and time again that what Elon Musk is telling you they are doing, they are not. He is saying 55 billion. It is at most 2.6 billion.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Sie haben dir Geld gegeben. Und dann haben wir ein paar weitere Runden von Karten gemacht während der Biden-Administration. Aber natürlich, du weißt, Joe Biden wollte seinen Namen nicht auf diese Karten stellen. Also hatten sie einen Namen von einem Karriere-Treasurer. Und wenn Leute gingen und votierten, wussten sie nicht, dass Joe Biden ihnen Geld gegeben hat. Richtig.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Es war, dass Donald Trump mir Geld gegeben hat. Und dann hatte ich eine wirklich schreckliche vier Jahre. Und jetzt wird Donald Trump zurückkommen. And these rebate checks, which if you look at the money, it obviously doesn't add up because those savings are a fantasy in all of this. But if people receive a $5,000 check that says Donald J. Trump on it, that will be meaningful.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And we need to be very careful around this. Now, I don't know if that's going to go through. That seems like a Muskism versus something that might actually happen on Twitter. Just so insane. And I think the messaging so far has been pretty good around this, but the notion that
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The obvious one is the reshaping of the courts. Biden did really well and had an almost breakneck pace in terms of judicial confirmations. It doesn't compare to the damage that McConnell has done with the Supreme Court being destroyed. You know, the cherry on top of all of this and his ruthlessness and refusing to give Merrick Garland a hearing will be remembered throughout history.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
That was the beginning of this. But he slowed down judicial confirmations during the Obama era to a trickle at best and took advantage of Harry Reid blowing up the filibuster in 2013. And we ended up in this position where, you know, the courts are... Stacked against us, I say us as Democrats or left-leaning people, for generations to come. And so I think that's probably the biggest one.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think there's an image that folks saw last week, which will also... Stick with us. And this doesn't just apply to McConnell, but this crop of 80-something legislators, 70-something legislators. You know, it's McConnell and Jim Justice, who's the new senator from West Virginia, was the governor. And they're both in wheelchairs and they're passing each other and they're high-fiving.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And it's just, I understand, you know, people have accidents and McConnell had fallen. Justice has had trouble walking for a very long time. But you just, you look at this and you, You think we have to be able to do better, not in an ageist way.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I feel like first we should talk about what's going on. And you were away last week, so I'm sure you have a lot of pent-up thoughts about what seems like...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I hate to think of myself as someone who is ageist, but it doesn't feel right that the folks that have these rarefied jobs, there are only 100 of them, right, in a country of 330 million, that we have people who are that old, who are refusing at that level to pass the torch. And yes, I know McConnell is retiring. But it's a problem across the board that we've really got to address.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
As usual, super mellow about it. But, you know, the capitulation, the complete betrayal of Ukraine, it makes me feel as though every negative thing
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I totally agree. I love how he was even embracing of the kind of pop culture characterizations of him, like Cocaine Mitch. or the Grim Reaper. He leaned into all of that, or at least a staffer did for him and embraced that role. We need to be more cutthroat in the way that we do politics. But he also is very much representative of the type of Washington that led us to having Donald Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
dass wir in den letzten Jahren darüber nachgedacht haben, dass Trump vis-à-vis Russland, du weißt, von allem, und ich werde nicht sagen, dass er ein russischer Asset ist, aber offensichtlich haben wir in diesem Ort von 2016 angefangen, dann haben wir Helsinki 2018, wo er dort stand und mit Putin über die Intelligenz-Agenzien gesiedelt hat.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
People will spend generations talking about how did we end up with Trump and they'll talk about what went on in the Obama era and this Ja, genau. Er war ein Poster-Kind dafür. Und wir hätten Trump nicht gehabt, ohne so viele Mitch McConnells da zu sein. Und ich denke...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, the image of him not voting to convict Donald Trump in the second impeachment, even though he said that he was guilty of it, right, and saying this is something that we'll leave to the courts, will certainly stick with us, but also flies in the face of this notion that there were anybody on the right that stood up to Trump.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Because I think that they like to say that, that these are the guys with the backbone. Maybe Mitt Romney is the exception to that, and I should shout him out for that. But Mitch McConnell is such a central piece in the complete takeover of the Republican Party by Donald Trump. And I think that's an important element of his legacy.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
He voted for Patel, actually.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
He voted against Tulsi. Oh, that's right.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Oh, that's good. I like it. Were you brewing that one for the whole hour of us chatting?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Can't wait. That's all you crave in your 40s.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
who had all told us that Putin meddled in the election and had wanted Trump to win, that it's all kind of coming to fruition. And Boris Johnson, the former Prime Minister of the UK, who's a staunch ally of Ukraine, a friend of Zelensky, has been a number of times.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
He tried to soften this a bit, I guess, on X, and he posted, you know, obviously Zelensky is not a dictator, obviously they didn't provoke this, this is all Russia's fault, etc. But he said that he thought that Trump was trying to shock Europe into unfreezing the 300 billion that they have in Russian assets and to use that to support Ukraine. Now, that feels...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
like he's just grasping at straws at this point, that Trump isn't playing 3D chess while we're stuck playing checkers. But it is one of the more depressing moves, I guess, of the first five weeks of the Trump term. I feel very sad. What about you?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think the answer is yes. And it's been interesting to watch the number of folks that have gone to work for Trump, especially in the foreign policy world, like the Marco Rubios of the world, Mike Waltz, the folks that we initially were saying, well, at least these are the really good guys, right? We're going to be fine on this front.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But as they're talking and they're supporting Steve Witkoff as well, doing interviews over the weekend, the special envoy, It's like you can see their souls leaving their bodies, right, as they're discussing what the new plan is for the world. And it runs so counter to decades of experience. Some of them have fought for themselves as veterans, right, not just policy wonks sitting in D.C.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
or in their home states, talking about what the future should look like. People who actually put their lives on the line and are now going against that new world order. And there's some merit to that. And I think that we need to strive... Es ist wichtig, die Totalität des Bildes zu schauen, weil es gute Argumente gibt, die einige davon unterpinnen.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Es ist nur so, wenn man sich das komplette Produkt anschaut, muss man sich fragen, ob es eine komplett gefährliche Motivation gibt, uns in diese Art von Position zu bringen. Und Europa ist schwächer, als es früher war. Die Ökonomien sind stagnant. Like you said, if you want to get rich, build a business, etc., you do that in America.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If you want to spend your money, you go to Europe because you can do apres-ski and you can shop and you can talk to interesting people from all over the world who are there to relax and to have fun. But they're not innovating anywhere close to the way that we are. They're not educating anywhere close to the way that we are. And I think that Trump and Co. are certainly cognizant of it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But, you know, you listen to, the Germans had their elections yesterday. We meddled in their elections outright with Elon Musk and J.D. Vance, you know, pushing forward the far right AFD, which underperformed. So the CDU wins. And I'm listening to the... Can you believe that?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It was rough. Yeah, I was walking around like a lost puppy all week. Like, who do I talk to? What do I do? How was your trip?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We sent our A-Team over and we were like, why don't you hear J.D. Vance out on this? Why don't you hear Elon Musk out on this? But it should be noted, you know, the CDU is the conservative party and Merz, who's the leader of it, will be the new chancellor, is much to the right of where Merkel was. Especially on immigration.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So this is a trend line that we are seeing across the world, that people are not interested in open borders. They want to hear about a national identity. They want to hear about people doing it the right way. And they want to make sure that you don't have this... Ja, genau.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We also need to talk to the British and the French, the two European nuclear powers, about whether nuclear sharing or at least nuclear security from the UK and France could also apply to us. They are scared and they are not looking to us for help. It's smart of them to be thinking this way. So I'd love to hear what you think about that, but then also...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I want to talk a little bit about Zelensky, the man, because he seems like a total hero in all of this. I was listening to his comments from the weekend. He was speaking in Kiev. And, you know, this is a guy with a 57% approval rating. We know in wartime people don't have elections. He's not a dictator. I am not saying that Ukraine doesn't have corruption. Of course, there are oligarchs there.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If there are oligarchs, there is going to be corruption. But the fact that he stood there and he said, I'll step down for peace. If you give us NATO, I'll go. You know, it's not about the personal ego in this. And it does harken back to a World War II time, right, where you saw people rise up and show their character in such a way. And that was very moving for me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
Okay. Well, do you want to do a whole show about what it was like with little kids this weekend? Since you don't have the strength to fight me on this. And I can tell you about having my first fight with my husband about parenting in front of other couples. Yeah. with kids the same age. Did you guys ever do this? It's very uncomfortable. And they probably think we're getting divorced.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
So, yeah, it doesn't seem like Schumer being minority or let alone majority leader again is an idea that's long for this world. You know, Hakeem Jeffries basically dodged a question about it. I think Senator Warnock, also from Georgia, made a comment which was basically like, I'm not backing this guy, especially after he hung all of us out to dry.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
There is precedent, and you say, what would Mitch McConnell do in this in 2021 under similar circumstances? Senate Republicans successfully filibustered on a continuing resolution, and they got some of what they wanted. People just want to see the fight, right?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
They just want to see that there is a pulse, and that that pulse understands the existential threat to the constitutional republic that we are witnessing. And I hate to... Be that girl that's screaming constitutional crisis. But all of the evidence is just sitting out there in front of us. And Bill Maher used to always say, it's a slow-moving coup. It's a slow-moving coup.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
This coup is so fast, Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to catch it at this point. Like, when you look at the continuing resolution, and it's a six months, right? That's a quote-unquote short-term funding bill. Think about what's happened in just two months.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
Yeah. Just lean in.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
So then you give them another six months of runway with furloughed employees and bureaus being closed, and you have to go to the absolute worst possible conclusion. And it's not as if the American public isn't noticing that things are going badly. So according to the new NBC poll, the only area that Trump is above water on is his handling of immigration, and we're going to talk about that later.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
in the next block. But people disapprove of how he's doing the job generally, the economy, how he's handling tariffs. You see people like Scott Besant. He's on with Kristen Welker over the weekend. She's asking him about, you know, the market plunging, trade wars, and he says a correction is healthy. Well, this is so easy for people who have over half a billion dollars to say.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
It made me think back to, do you remember Wilbur Ross, who was the Commerce Secretary in Trump 1.0? And he, I think his net worth is about $700 million. And he's talking about tariffs. Again, I guess it's a theme that tariffs are not good for people. And he holds up a Campbell's soup can. Right. And he says, well, people can have soup for a little bit. And it was, of course, wildly out of touch.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
It was Marie Antoinette moment. And we went about our business and we elected somebody else. But now it's like you have 13 billionaires in your cabinet. It's just everywhere. There is nowhere to look for a person with any semblance of a normal perspective on what's going on. And the American public get it.
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Like there was this new stat that it's the highest level of people who think that business conditions will be worse in a year since 1980. So they are smashing records on consumer sentiment going down. This, how will things be for me in the next year? And it's kind of astounding that it happened this quickly, right?
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Okay. We're in a public place. It is quiet. But people are eating. So we're in like the cafeteria part of a Whole Foods having lunch with three three-year-olds and the respective parents. The kids start being really loud. disrupting other people, for sure. There are other kids there, but they're not making noise. They're younger than ours are.
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There was a lot of economic promise coming into this, or at least the average voter felt that way. And it's been a complete reversal. And Democrats are just sitting there
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thinking, like, if I post a video from my car and shout out Mark Warner, I was glad that he started engaging with social media in the 21st century in a way that, you know, people can access it and maybe feel like you're even slightly relatable. But like car videos aren't going to save us at this point. Floor votes are.
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I don't know. We're going to find out. I feel like I have a little bit of interview egg on my face because I talked to Mark Elias last week. The interview went up on Friday, and it was all about how the courts are the only viable backstop for what's going on. And then you wake up. And you're like, okay, well, that's gone. So what do we have? It feels like we got nothing on this.
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And I'm watching Tom Holman, the border czar. He's on Fox and Friends this morning. So we're recording this Monday morning. And he's asked by Lawrence Jones, the host, well, what's next? And he says, another flight, another flight every day. We are not stopping. I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the left thinks. We're coming. So they're laying it all out on the field, right?
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So they're like in strollers, just kind of chilling, but people are working. People are having low conversations. Anyway, they start doing Ring Around the Rosie real loud. My husband has a very low threshold for this. He also reflexively hands over his phone for screen time. I feel like he pushes screen time on my child. But we're also with two other families that don't do screen time at all.
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Going back to a six-month spending bill. That's tons of time in Trump years for them to accomplish whatever it is that they are going after. And, you know, it's a difficult place to be in because, like, I tweeted something about this yesterday, and I said, well, I guess the courts aren't stopping him.
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And Tommy Lahren, who is, you know, a MAGA firebrand and one of my colleagues, we actually get along really well, she responded and said, you know, Jess, I love you, girl, but, like, why are you defending these people? And I'm not defending Trender Awagwa gang members.
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I'm defending the rule of law and the fact that, according to immigration attorneys, there are people on those flights who had legitimate asylum claims and are not in a gang. Like, they've been using tattoos as evidence of someone being part of this gang, which is a murderous gang. And I want every single one of those people out of this country.
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But they're saying, like, about this one person's client that they had the gang tattoos, and she posted on social media that that is not the case, that this person has decorative tattoos, part of the LGBTQ plus community. here with a legitimate asylum claim, and their hearing was supposed to have started last week, but this person was disappeared.
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And there's another person whose hearing was supposed to be today, on Monday, but they ended up on one of these flights heading to El Salvador to one of the scariest prisons that apparently exists on the face of the planet. And I feel so despondent about what to do. And...
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worried that we used all of our alarm bells and all of our words about the constitutional crisis and the end of the republic too early, right? That we were... This was 2016, 2017, and it went through 2020. And then he did actually try to stay past... his sell-by date, right? The voters decided they wanted Joe Biden. He stages an insurrection, gets away with it.
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Now every prosecutor that worked on that is gone. He's going after the lawyers that worked on those cases, etc. But I don't know if we should have just been quiet the entire time. And certainly there were some big swings and misses, right? We should not have done Russia, Russia, Russia, even though the Mueller report obviously did show that the Russians were working to get Trump elected.
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I am not trying to minimize any of that. But it feels like people completely tuned out the argument that he is a threat to democracy. They don't want to hear about January 6th again, which seems like a clear precursor to what we're seeing now. And that we're like, the girl who cried insurrection, and now we have nothing.
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So he starts offering up his phone to my daughter. I'm pushing back saying, you can't do that because these other kids, you can't even give one kid a snack that the other kids can't have. Anyway, it got bad, you know, and the dads were intervening saying, you know, you can't do this. We distracted them with food a little bit, but there was big back and forth.
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Just green card.
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It's the best. I shouldn't say that. Student visa would be worse. He has the best you can have.
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And he said, this is the hill that I am willing to die on. You can't disrupt other people's lives. because of your children. So who's right, who's wrong, who's moving out, who gets to keep the house?
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I share a lot of your same sentiments. And I know this is someone who is completely abhorrent to me. And I I see this also as a major failing of Columbia University that could have nipped this in the bud last year. Yep. They're doing the same at Harvard. I saw that they're taking $800 million in USAID grants from Johns Hopkins, which is the biggest employer for Baltimore writ large.
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And there's no accusation of an anti-Semitism problem at Johns Hopkins. They just don't want people to be able to continue with their research grants. And they say, oh, we have to maintain that we're going to be competitive with China and the rest of the world. Well, why don't you just take away our innovation, which is happening in all of these labs that have NIH funding.
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And it's as someone who believes in higher education, was part of a quote-unquote elite institution for my PhD work, taught there, loves the ivory tower, even though I accept that there are problems with it, this is gut-wrenching. And I worry about about the fact that the people that we're seeing going to the mats for are folks like Mahmoud Khalil.
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And I know that the point of the First Amendment is that it's not about the speech that you like, it's about the speech that makes your blood boil. And that is exactly the kind of speech that this man engaged in. But I really wish that the administration would go out there and find the law that he violated,
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the law that's on the books for that, or even the Columbia University laws that he definitely violated. Because what went on last year at Hamilton Hall and that Jews were prevented from going to the library, to their classes, to their Chabad's, that seems like grounds for him to have been kicked out of school. So we have to retrace our steps.
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And all of this is making Marco Rubio, who gave a pretty impassioned defense of what the administration was doing, seem pretty sane. Like, this is the hill that you want to die on for this guy who sympathizes with a terrorist organization that is at this moment holding Americans hostage. This isn't some group that has no relevance to our lives right now.
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There are Americans sitting in tunnels in Gaza. God knows what has happened to them over the last, what is it, 450 days now at this point. And we have to be on the side of this guy. Now, we have, I guess, good company. Ann Coulter is with us now. Eli Lake, someone who really hates Mahmoud Khalil.
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No, they're not. Those are... They're lovely and their kids... aren't addicted to screens. They don't, you know, yell out for Moana in their sleep.
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came out and said as well, you need some law that the guy broke in order to take away a green card, which is basically sacrosanct, on top of the fact that he's married to an American who's eight months pregnant, which creates a lot of sympathy for the situation. But I was taken, there was, it was just a White House official.
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There was no name attached to it, but there was reporting in the Free Press last week where this official told the Free Press reporter, essentially, we don't need to say that any law was broken. We're just going for aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. And the American public gets that.
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And I think when push comes to shove and when you look at those immigration numbers, that that's the only area in which Trump is above water. I think it's a 55 percent approval in the new NBC poll that I think that they're going to win this one. And he is not going to be a sympathetic figure anymore.
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for many people kind of in the moderate middle of this who are looking for examples of people who they don't think hold beliefs that run counter to the american project who are not siding with violent terrorists that are holding us captive at this particular moment and think that october 7th was a day of love right and that there was nothing wrong with this and you know they're
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Anti-Zionism certainly steps over the line into anti-Semitism, which is what was going on in these campuses and continues to go on on a number of them with these spineless leaderships who sat in front of Congress and basically said, we're not going to do anything when we know if this hadn't been about Jews and it had been about Black kids, trans kids, gay kids, etc.
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they would have been shut down in minutes. There is no chance that they would have been able to go forward. And so it's complicated, of course, and I'm torn about it, but I'm looking at this as the precursor for what they're going to continue to do. You know, they reportedly... held a green card holder at Logan Airport. Did you see this story?
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A German who's been here on a green card since 07-08, married to an American. He's an engineer. According to his mother, they detained him, put him in an ice-cold shower. There's no evidence that this guy is sympathetic to anything that runs counter to the United States. And no one is safe. They should really just change this to, we only want natural born citizens plus Elon Musk.
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And if you have a green card, That doesn't mean anything to us. And we're going to completely rewrite the way we do immigration law in this country. Asylum, get over it. It's done. It means nothing. There are no legitimate asylum claims. And Tom Holman is the king.
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I'm totally with you. I'm noticing the higher education trend myself that Parents are saying, oh, we're going to look at University of South Carolina. We're going to look at Clemson.
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Wake Forest, yeah. People love Vanderbilt, UNC Chapel Hill.
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That feels right to me. Not just on this point, but the way that academia and higher education has been going, it's exclusionary. It's not... providing what it purports to, right? You know, people think it's the golden ticket, right? That you got to the Wonka factory and your life is going to be set. But guess what? The only thing that makes your life set is hustle and reading and preparing.
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And you're seeing that more and more in these high positions, everywhere from investment banks, law firms, down to, of course, like the tech and the startup world, where it's just how hard you're going to work, how good are your ideas and how intense is your grind. And by the time my kids are going to college, you know, I went to private school here in New York City.
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I went and talked to who's now the head of the school, prestigious, progressive institution. He was like, it's not even necessarily going to be a requirement by the time your kids are going to college that you have to be thinking about this. Because I said, I have two little Jewish babies, right? what am I going to do, right?
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I'm not going to send them off to Harvard or Columbia under these conditions. Even if there aren't protests in the streets, the academics have shown themselves to not be interested in treating Jews equally to the other kids that are there. And he said, Jess, don't worry. It's going to be a completely different game by the time your kids are going.
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And you're going to see it even on the tour that you're organizing for your son. Schools that you wouldn't have even thought of that you were going to go and consider, he's going to be dying to get into. Say like, this is the right place for me, both academically and socially. So maybe that will be a silver lining in all of this.
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But these huge endowments, Harvard with what is it, $50 billion are sitting on?
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They should start paying for all these kids to come for free. Now is the time. If the government's going to take away your funding, you say, you know what, we're going to go it alone. Get rid of all the anti-Semitic professors.
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Get rid of the kids that are ruining the quality of life for other students, clearly violating your policies, and put that money back into the system so that the smart kids that are going to be the leaders of tomorrow can come there without landing themselves in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for the rest of their lives and make this a bit more of an equal playing field.
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It was good, and I guess I'm wrong, so there we go.
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Well, I think that Oval Office debacle actually did something. It moved public opinion in how Trump is handling this. So that week of calling Zelensky a dictator, saying he only had a 4% approval, and then that back and forth in the Oval, you know, first with J.D. Vance and then with Trump, obviously has people soured a bit on this approach.
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And, you know, with Russia saying that we're making progress, that's BS to me. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them, which would be zero feet anyway. And there is no evidence that they have... compromised any of their positions. They're still at the maximalist position in all of this. And so all of the compromising is going to have to come on the part of Ukraine.
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Now, Zelensky has been signaling for months now that he is willing to make some concessions. He even said when he was speaking in Kiev a few weeks ago, I'll resign right now if it means that we can put a stop to this and that we're going to have the security guarantees that we need. So I basically just don't believe it.
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I think that Zelensky continues to be between a rock and a hard place, having to negotiate with two forces that just want this over with. Putin, and he wants to get whatever he wants, and us, that wants this mineral rights deal, which is going to go through, and... If there's a tentative ceasefire, they're going to break it. You know, Putin and Medvedev come out and say, we're making progress.
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And that night, there are 27 drones launched into Ukraine. So spare me, basically, is where I am.
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Thank you.
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He also grew up hypersensitive to this, apparently. So I and I get it. My dad used to just pick us up and take us out of restaurants and say, like, Judy, my mom, you know, get the check. We'll be outside. And that's the end of it, which I would have understand. I mean, this wasn't, you know, like a high end restaurant. We were in the public space at Whole Foods. But I take the point.
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I just want to add quickly to that, that while I share those sentiments and as someone who spent a lot of time living in a former EU country, but I have a deep affection for the European project. And I think it's incredible. that you could design something with the free flow of humans and goods and that we're all the better for culture sharing and economic sharing, etc.
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But all of these silver linings or all of these good things that are happening are happening for somebody else besides us. And that feels terrible. I don't ever want to be rooting against... my own country. I don't want to be rooting against my own government.
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And in every single conversation that we've had today, that has had to be a stipulation in this, that I don't want to be seen to be on the side of Venezuelan gang members. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of violent anti-Semites. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of the US not having the important and
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central role that we should be playing in geopolitics in favor of a stronger eu or a chance for ukraine to be able to survive as a sovereign nation it's i think i said it used the same word at the start of the podcast i just feel despondent about all of this and it makes me feel a bit like a I think it's the most fantastic country on the planet.
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And there's just so much that has made me feel sour about the way that we're behaving and what the future looks like for all of us here.
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Anyway, we ended up in a good place. And I appreciate your sexism when it's going in a feminist direction that you should try to always hang in that direction. But anyway, that was basically my weekend.
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Me too.
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I love it. He's listening. So there you go, honey. Love you. See you at home.
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Three and not even one. Have we met?
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Oh, you did? Okay, that's a Mexico hangover joke. Okay.
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I know. There's a very, I don't know if it counts as a meme. I don't know what the definition of a meme is. But anyway, something that was passed around on social media about, How parents spend their days just praying for the kids to go to sleep. And then we just lay in bed looking at cute pictures of them all night until we fall asleep.
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Yeah. It's very sweet and very accurate.
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I would love it if Daniel Patrick Moynihan could come and chill with us.
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Rough patch. Yeah. I'm so excited. I grew up. in the city here and the 92nd Street Y has always held, you know, some of the most interesting and exciting programming and where everyone wants to go to be able, if they have a book coming out or for serious conversations on what's going on, future of the country, and was totally floored when they sent the email. Remember, I didn't know.
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It was like... When a boy that you like texts you and you think like, how long should I wait to reply? When we got that email, I was like, is four seconds too long to wait with the unequivocal, yes, I will do anything to do this. It's a little daunting for me because we did a live show right after we launched with like 100 people.
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This is many more people than that, but you say it's going to be fine. So I'm just leaning in to your experience, but it feels very special and exciting.
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And I hope if whoever's listening, if you guys are in the New York area, that you'll get tickets and come see us live at the 92nd Street Y. Yeah, just as a moment of excitement, let me just relate that or make it relatable to the 98% of us that weren't really attractive in high school.
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I'm very upset. like most Democrats are. And that's not because I don't think that we ended up in the correct place, because the calculation was, what's scarier? The government being open and them operating the way that we know, which is very bad, but we have an insight into it, versus the government is shut down and then they get to make the decisions on absolutely everything.
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And it doesn't become Donald Trump's government. It doesn't become Elon Musk's government. It becomes Russ Vogt's government. The guy who's running OMB. The guy, the Project 2025 guy. The guy who... is the most dedicated to destroying the federal government, I think, of anyone in this administration. And he would decide who's essential and who's not. He could close entire bureaucracies.
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And Democrats were worried about, well, how are we even going to get these open again? What is the path forward? So I understand the conundrum, and I think ultimately probably Schumer was right that the devil you know is better. But the way he went about this was totally feckless, totally spineless. He screwed over his caucus.
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I mean, just 24 hours before he said that he was voting for the continuing resolution, he said they don't have the votes. And then all of these moderates, all of these Democrats that are in swing districts up for re-election, like John Ossoff in Georgia, for instance, came out against the continuing resolution, thinking that this was a unified front like it was in the House.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlov.
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There was only one Democrat in the House, Jared Golden from Maine, who voted for it. Hakeem Jeffries had the caucus absolutely in line in this. And I think it's ultimately, and we're almost broken records about this, there's such a tremendous messaging problem about this continuing resolution. If you went out and asked people on the street, what the continuing resolution is.
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Obviously, most people would say, I don't even know what you're talking about. But the people who did know would likely tell you that this was a clean continuing resolution and that it was just an extension of the Biden-Harris spending plan. That is absolutely not true. It's chock full of cuts that we don't want, things, you know, to veterans, Social Security benefits.
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It's giving them more and more authority. You know, we know that the executive is after having full control of everything. They don't care about oversight. They don't care about congressionally appropriated money, etc. But... That's the going narrative on this. I'm seeing it on social media from smart people, actually, who usually are paying attention.
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They're like, well, this is a clean CR and we'll deal with it in September when it's up, when they're going to try to jam through their trillions of dollars in tax cuts and take away nearly $900 billion in Medicaid funding. The way that the Democrats played this, or Schumer played this, it was like it was a surprise to them.
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We have known for months that March 14th was the drop-dead date on this, that that's when this vote was going to happen. And it's like they woke up four days before and were like, oh, holy shit, something's happening. The House is on fire. How did you not spend months recasting the continuing resolution as, you know, something like... The Doge Act, right? Or, I don't know, give it some fancy name.
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You're the branding guy. Maybe you can come up with something better. But how did you waste that opportunity? And then how did you not also have your own continuing resolution to put forward to say, okay, let's work together on this. Spending the government should be bipartisan, which is one of the lines from one of Schumer's speeches, maybe when he was wearing the really bad suit.
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And you say, all right, if you guys are going to maintain this as a clean CR, let's show you what an actual clean CR is and force them, force them to accept some amendments that keep the government, you know, reflective of at least how it has been, even though that's not ideal. And so we missed on absolutely every opportunity. The voters are incensed to a crazy level.
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Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
The Democratic approval is the lowest it's been in 30 years of polling, 29 percent or something. And 65% of self-identified Democrats now want our elected officials to stick to their positions, even if this means not getting things done in Washington.
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Trump's Deportation Plans Backfire as Dems Hit Record Low
That's a complete reversal of what we saw coming into this where people were saying, you know, pick and choose your spots, work with them where it makes sense. Now they're saying this is war.
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What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I mean, this is heavy for the banter section. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I'm good with it.
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It's difficult times. No, I don't want to talk about... I mean, if you want to talk about Mardi Gras and hiding in your house, we could do that. Do you really think that they're snoozing or we're not paying attention?
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It's just such a big failure when you think about how core Biden made it to his reason for being, right? Right. I mean, part of it was I have to get you all through COVID and I can be America's grandpa and I'm the most empathetic man you ever met.
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But it was also like this return to normalcy and, you know, people's lived experience was just so not commensurate with the world that he was talking about that they were just like... F you. Right. I'm out.
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I would even say that the quality of the messaging wouldn't have mattered as much if it was happening as more frequently, that people actually just want to physically see you. And then their minds run wild. And obviously there are people who are feeding this that are like, oh, he's not here because he's dead, but he'll be awake at two o'clock and then he's going to die again.
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Yes, be everywhere all the time, even if they don't like you and their feed. I have this conversation constantly with people. I'm like, oh, but the engagement is so mean. And they're like, but it's engagement. Like, that's what Trump understands. Like, all the hate comments, they're still thinking about you. You're still living, what did they say, like, rent-free in your head?
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I want to talk to you about the AP, but just really quickly, did you, I shouldn't say did you make anything because it obviously is a big deal, about the State Department taking down the statement that they, that we do not support Taiwanese independence? And, like, that feels... Like it's flying in the face of the way that we're moving with Russia, because obviously that's China's red line.
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That feels like signature Rubio to me, who's such a big China hawk. Do you think anything's going to come of this or?
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All right. So we've got a rogue Rubio moment.
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He benefits from us being.
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Yeah, like let them put whatever they want on their silly website about cooperation with Taiwan. Okay, moving on to something else sad. I want to talk about the AP getting banned. So they were kicked out of the press briefings and then they weren't allowed, a photographer and a reporter weren't allowed on the presidential plane. And there was a big,
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It feels so lame to say there was a big explainer because it wasn't even like a real piece of journalism. But I got a nifty newsletter from Axios talking about the kind of history of this administration's objections to the AP. And basically, they're mad that the AP style book has used terms that they hate too liberally, like gender, DEI, inclusivity, etc.,
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What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I'm old enough to remember when the other news stations stood with Fox News when the Obama administration wasn't going to let them in to do a pool briefing with a representative from the administration and basically ABC, NBC, CBS. They all said, if Fox can't do it, then we're not doing it. And then they let them in begrudgingly. But it doesn't feel like that moment is happening at all.
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Like, everyone is bemoaning the fact that the AP is being excluded, but no one is doing anything about it. It's like a pretty obvious, we A, don't know what the First Amendment means, and B, we don't care. And we're running this like the Wild West.
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I think resonant yelling is the trick for that one because I have seen some yelling and I have hated it.
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And they're not going to.
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Singing, yelling.
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No, they definitely just want to get in as many kind of gloating laps early on. I think that they know that it just gets more and more complicated. And certainly as we head into special elections and the midterms and things like that, which hopefully Democrats will perform better than we did.
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What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I think they can look to past administrations and say, okay, you know, your first two years are when you can actually get things done, right? They have control of everything. They're definitely trying it on. Right, to the largest extent possible. You know, let's ram through $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. Like, let's try to cut all of these entitlement programs.
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Now, they realize that they're not going to get their wish list of all of it, but they are at a moment where they're owning the culture. And so I feel like they're just taking advantage and saying, okay, well, if we have ingratiated ourselves to a segment of the American population that wouldn't have given us their time at all four, eight years ago, let's really go for it.
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And you can tell that also in the attitude that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, has about everything. I mean, she's so haughty and arrogant in the way that she delivers everything, which, listen, I wish that I had more of that in me. I wish I didn't have such a terrible case of imposter syndromes. But, like, to be 27 years old and to walk up there with that, you know... It's a fact.
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It's the Gulf of America.
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Right. Or, like... Every man in Gaza is wearing a condom that we paid for. Well, actually, no, no, that's not true. In Mozambique, there are some condoms that got sent, you know, and it's the Trump bravado that if you say it a certain way, there's at least a good amount of people that are going to believe you. And I think that they're living for the moment, right?
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Yeah, we're getting lapped by the YMCA. So you got to think about that.
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It's like a YOLO administration at this point. And until there are real consequences, I think they're going to go for it with everything. I mean, the APA is calling Mount Denali Mount McKinley right now. I mean, they're doing half of the crazy thing.
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Well, you don't even want it back, right?
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Well, there are owning infrequent voters that are 18 to 40, right? And those are real culture vultures. Those are people that are listening to podcasts. Those are people who are concerned about all of the dyes in our food. Those are people who are picking schools for their kids to go to and are disenchanted with the public school system. And
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wanting to get away from feeling like they have to use gender pronouns on their email signatures. I mean, these are real things that folks are thinking about. And so I don't know if owning the culture is the right way to put it, because I still don't think that Kid Rock is cooler than Jay-Z. That will just never happen.
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I can't. I can't fight the 40, and I'm 41 in a couple of weeks. No, but Kid Rock was on Bill Maher on Friday night, and I found the interview really interesting. I mean, it was, first of all, I had forgotten, I guess, that he played Obama's inauguration in 08. And he was like, it's not as if I liked Obama then. You just show up and you do this. But he was essentially mocking us for...
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like liberal leaning people and you new to this side of the fence, but for freaking out about everything all the time. And I do think that they are owning the culture by making it clear that majority of people feel like it's just not that serious. Yeah. Yeah.
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Welcome back. Mayor Eric Adams just got a legal lifeline, but it came from the most controversial figure in New York politics, Donald Trump. The Trump administration's Justice Department dropped Adams' corruption case, but in a city where Trump remains deeply unpopular, that reprieve could be more of a political liability than a win.
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Now Adams is facing accusations of being in Trump's pocket, especially after appearing alongside Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, and making moves that align with the president's immigration policies. Meanwhile, the case's dismissal has sparked a crisis inside Trump's DOJ, a mass resignation of prosecutors, including one who accused DOJ leaders of looking for a, quote, fool to take the fall.
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Have you been following that? Probably not as closely as me.
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That's Federalist Society for maybe raging moderates audiences are not as in it as the bulwark who are like FedSoc.
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No, probably not.
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Yeah, I was into it. I had been feeling starved, I guess, for some old-school intellectual resistance, I guess. Not people out there with a sign, you know, like, hands off my whatever. I'm okay with those signs, too.
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Yeah, I like them, but they're not getting us really anywhere at this point. But it feels like... What they're doing is because it's a harbinger of bad things to come. So the Adams case itself, or at least what we know about it, you would expect more, I guess, in the indictment. He definitely broke the law, and I thought that Sassoon's letter was, you know, very specific about that.
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It's a pretty good upgrade.
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And that does matter to people that are career prosecutors who take the law very seriously. But to me...
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I felt a little bit of a, if you think that we're just going to roll over for all of this from, like, the lighter fare of this, which obviously has very real implications for New York City politics and national politics even, but that they're scared of what this administration is going to be asking them to do. Like, Pam Bondi will see us all as...
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Did you watch any of the SNL 50 stuff?
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folks that are ready to just line up and rubber stamp whatever is to come. And they can't help the fact, even though Bondi was one of the lesser controversial nominees, which just speaks to how crazy the set of nominees were. But, you know, Pam Bondi was all in on the 2020 election, was rigged out there front and center on that. And to me, it felt like a little bit...
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Of a cry for help or at least a signal of we can't be there for whatever they are going to try because they've spent so much time bemoaning, quote unquote, lawfare. And it is very clear that they are looking to weaponize everything back for their own benefit.
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He took away the notes.
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Yeah, though you do need good people to stay. I said a couple of weeks ago that it's going to require thousands of Mike Pence's to make it through whatever is to come over the course of the next four years. So I agree with you. And I think it also matters that this is happening so early on. I can't believe we're only in the beginning of the fourth week of this.
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but we are going to need people who are interested in the rule of law in a traditional sense, not in the rule of law just because I said so in Napoleonic-slash-Trump terms to reference his weekend tweeting, which did not feel like him at all. I don't know. That felt more Musk.
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It's accredited.
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Or Stephen Miller, like someone got control of the phone for a second. I don't want to belabor that Adam stuff that much, but part of the deal...
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that I guess he's made, which he claims he hasn't made a deal with the administration, but it's quite obvious since he had to sit on the Fox & Friends couch and be humiliated by Tom Homan a couple days ago, but is that they'll be easing or he's going to try to ease sanctuary city laws as it applies to Rikers.
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Prison rape is always a highlight. I said multiple times to my husband that I can't believe this show is happening. Like, if it weren't the SNL 50, there's no way these jokes would have made it in. But I'm pretty sure everybody showed up and they were like, we are not playing by 2025 standards. We're playing by whatever year we were actually on the show. And...
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And the way that sanctuary city policy works in New York is that ICE can't be near the prisons. And the reason that that's the case is not necessarily that we don't want criminals to be deported, but it's because they could pick up people who haven't actually been convicted yet, people who have just been charged and not gone through their due process, which they're entitled to.
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Do you have any views, kind of thinking about... the macro issue that I think liberals are finding themselves in is having been way too lax about illegal migration and even too lax on people who are here illegally and then committing violent crimes on how we should be approaching sanctuary policy.
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Yeah. It's definitely the way that a lot of Democrats feel. You already referenced John Fetterman. You'd be like, why are you wasting my time with this? Right? This is... You're in a privileged position that you got to be here illegally in the first place. And you can just see the...
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next iteration of the Charlemagne ad about giving transgender surgeries for undocumented people in prison being written about something like this. It doesn't change the fact that the city council has to be the ones to revise sanctuary city laws. But I tend to agree with you that kicking up a massive fuss about it probably just allows Trump and co.
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A lot of it was hilarious, but I was overwhelmed by Cher. I don't know if you saw these shots of Kevin Costner losing his mind and Billy Crystal watching this 78-year-old woman look like a 30-year-old woman belting out If I Could Turn Back Time, which I think the gays still have possession of. We still have If I Could Turn Back Time.
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to continue to say that we're so out of step with where culture is.
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Yeah, that leads me to something I've been thinking about in general, about where Democrats show up and stand up and amplifying stories like that on a local level versus in D.C. Like, I don't think any of this should be going on in D.C. I think you need to be back with your people and talking about stories like that.
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There was another one in Milwaukee, which I talked about on The Five, and rarely do my colleagues just shut up. But they were like, oh, my God, that happened, where they took in a toddler, a mom, and a grandmother for speaking Spanish. And someone had to come with birth certificates. They were Puerto Rican.
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To get them out of the detention center and the idea of a two-year-old in a detention center for allegedly, you know, where we're going to be holding people that have committed violent crimes and were here illegally when they're Americans and did nothing but speak publicly. another language, seem to hit the audience hard. Yeah.
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I obviously agree with you. And it's always great when I see others... showing up, not even necessarily to get the clickbait that worked in 2016, you know, how everything was just about owning the other side and there were those huge fights. Now it's like showing up and being reasonable makes even more of a difference because people's partisan lines have been... completely scrambled, right?
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You can't predict it anymore in the same way. And so if you show up like Jared Moskowitz did and you sound reasonable about immigration, you know, he was one of the first ones to say, let me in the Doge caucus, for instance, but then you hold the line about stuff that really matters and it gets amplified like that because he was on, you know, on primetime. They love it.
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They're going to get the clip out into their ether. We'll get their clip out into our ether. And suddenly, you know, Jared Moskowitz is president.
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To the internet. And now to the show. And I'm keeping us on time, which is not Scott's strong suit.
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or even people with that interview in particular, who are big Lex Friedman people, but thought like he went too far in pushing him to say that Russia should get to keep territory that they obviously illegally took. I thought that was, even if it was just for that soundbite, that it was worth the three hours of Zelensky's time to do it.
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I want to get to kind of the future of the anti-Trump Republican faction, but quickly, are you pro-Cuomo, anti-Cuomo? Because he, did you see the ad he released?
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I think you did great. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So in today's episode of Raging Moderates, we are discussing Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine, Trump's lifeline to Eric Adams, and the state of anti-Trump Republicans, your specialty. All right, let's get into it. Big moves on the world stage last week.
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the Valentine's Day ad where he's with all of these older women, mostly women of color, talking about how tough it is right now for New Yorkers, that we can always find a way forward, and that the opposite of hate, the four-letter word that matters most is love. I think it was the phraseology.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. But the amount of normie Democrats that I know who don't like Cuomo for a whole host of reasons, whether it's, you know, the sexual harassment charges or even the management charges.
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Of COVID and lost people in nursing homes and just really wanted an apology for him that he couldn't get out there, just couldn't muster the strength to say I would have done things a little bit differently, which I think would have gone a tremendously long way. They're like, I could use a competent gangster right now. Like the city is in chaos.
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shitty trouble at this point i hate being on the subway and he feels like when you look at adams on the other side of this and you think i'm not going to go for someone as progressive as like scott stringer that he might be the answer um woof all right uh one more it's just depressing it is a little depressing um but one more quick break stay with us Welcome back.
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Before we wrap, and we've already been touching on this a little bit, but I want to get into it more deeply with you. There aren't that many Republicans openly pushing back against Trump's agenda these days. Mitch McConnell, for instance, was the lone Republican to vote against confirming Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
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Trump says he had a highly productive call with Vladimir Putin, claiming that they're now working closely on a Ukraine peace deal. He even floated the idea of a future sit-down with Putin. This all came after Russia released American teacher Mark Fogel, which Trump called a, quote, sign of good faith.
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And Tim, you pointed out on The Bulwark that even The Wall Street Journal's editorial board, usually pretty Trump-friendly, finally took a shot at his economic policies. What do you think is the future for the anti-Trump Republicans in a party that seems like they've given up a bit besides an editorial or two?
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Meanwhile, Kiev is on edge after a drone strike hit Chernobyl just days after Zelensky asked the U.S. for more aid. And in Europe, leaders are scrambling. An emergency summit is set for Monday. So that's today. So by tomorrow, you may have an update. amid fears that Trump's outreach to Russia is leaving them isolated. U.K.
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Do you have any idea about what happened during these confirmations to people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Todd Young in Indiana, or I should say from Indiana, who was really anti-Tulsi, for instance? I mean, is it straight, like, doxing, threatening you with a primary? Like, Bill Cassidy already voted to convict him. So I don't—this idea that
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He promised Cassidy to essentially, RFK Jr., to not be who he is, right? And to say, you can be my dad and you can check in on me every day and make sure that I'm not going to do these things when even the CDC site already has information about the flu down. So obviously that's not going to hold up. Like, what level of threatening or trolling was going on to make people like this...
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lay down and vote for every single one of these nominees.
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Feels like a very unsafe place to test it out. It's fine.
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Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it a once-in-a-generation security moment. Vice President J.D. Vance warned that Russia could face economic and military pressure if it doesn't negotiate in good faith. But in Munich, he took aim at European leaders instead, claiming their real threat isn't Russia or China.
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They're not bad to your face. I've always found everyone is like, I feel so terrible that I've been calling you the C word online for three years. And I'm like, well, stop doing that. And I'm so nice. Do you want a picture?
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Yeah. Unpopular opinion, but I don't think that you have to do everything that the voters want. Like they picked a person who can also think for themselves, who broadly represents their interests. Right. And understands their constituency, but can think for themselves. So if you pick, you know, one of 15 candidates.
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people that you don't think is unqualified for to kind of lay down your marker in the sand and say, your children will be vaccinated, or we will not have someone who thinks Assad wasn't really that bad, that that might be good for you long-term. But I'm also not running for public office.
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It's their own policies on free speech and refusal to work with hard-right parties in government. Back at home, not much better. The White House is clashing with the press again, this time banning an AP reporter from the Oval Office for refusing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. The AP is now accusing the administration of violating the First Amendment. Let's talk Ukraine first.
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You're saying that I wasted my dollars on Sarah Gideon?
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I have a friend who is a doctor and loves politics but isn't in the day-to-day insanity. She'll send me like a New York Times article the day after and she'll be like, can you believe this? And I'm like, I need to talk to you about how fast the news cycle goes. But she'll regularly send me a link to various Democrats and she goes, worth my money? I'm like, well, how much money?
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Like, if you want to be spreading $10 all over the place, go ahead for it. But Amy McGrath is never going to be the senator. That takes Mitch McConnell's seat. Okay. Thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you for joining us, Tim, and the Raging Moderates crew. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinene Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
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You can now find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. That's right, its own feed. There, you'll get exclusive interviews with smart voices in politics like our latest guest, Congressman Pat Ryan. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Also, follow Tim in all of Bulwark World. Thank you for being with us. Well, just me. Scott's not here, but he loves you from afar.
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What do you think the game here is? I mean, you can start with Pete Hegseth's maiden voyage, which did not go well. And he's walking things back within 24 hours. But what do you think Rubio and Trump and Vance want for Ukraine?
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Bigger than the Trump coin. It's interesting.
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I think that that's how... People can manage it. Well, they just say, OK, we know he's a grifter who does things like this, but it's so much bigger than that. And the trade wasn't publicized at all. It took days for anyone to know if we got if we had to trade anything for Mark Fogel.
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Yeah, I think there was something about shooting values and that you can't do that in Pete's answer. I can't really get to calling him Secretary Hickseth yet. I'm still in Pete mode.
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No, not drinking buddies. We have socialized, but no comment. No, I totally agree with you. And one thing that's been sticking out to me is how quickly... everybody has folded from who they were beforehand. Because at least I was holding on to the idea. I know Mike Waltz really well, the national security advisor. We're in a foreign policy group together.
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Tim, this is the banter section. How are you?
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Marco Rubio has been very clear about his foreign policy views for a long time. And I don't think either of those two would have... ever thought that they would be part of a deal that was going to essentially tell Ukraine, you have no future in NATO and you're never getting back your territory. I mean, even forgetting the pre-2014 lines, even from just a few years ago.
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And maybe that speaks to the awesome power of Trump. Maybe that speaks to the new realignment within the Republican Party. But I don't see anyone in positions of power now that are going to be holding on to traditional American views of foreign policy and our role in the world.
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We will see what the people think. I think they'll be excited to see you. They were super excited when you joined us, but we were together, all three of us.
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What do you think is the likelihood that Zelensky gets his way? So he was speaking at the Munich Security Council and he said, we need an armed forces of Europe. This is after J.D. Vance essentially took a flamethrower to our relationship with Europe. In his speech, clearly, Zelensky does not see us as the top partner opportunity for him going forward.
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Do you think Europe is really going to unify without us?
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Going back to, I guess, we got into ineffective Democrats very early on in the podcast. But I do... Maybe just because I work in communication, I guess, that I always think that there was an opportunity to do better if we had messaged properly about this. And it doesn't feel like we have made the case. This is Democrats and Republicans.
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Like, obviously, you know, Mitch McConnell and the kind of more traditional set have been, you know, screaming from the rooftops at a low pitch. He doesn't scream loudly. so loud anymore at 83, but have been trying to talk about the importance of keeping together the democratic world order and that you need to support countries that share our values.
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Democratic snoozing.
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And it feels like that has just fallen on completely deaf ears and that people have moved to this world where it's, what about me first and can't see the second order effects and if we end up abandoning Ukraine. So do you think there's anything we could have done or this storm, which is taking over the world, right? Was there any way to stop this?
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It's true. The algorithms are pretty mean. And they were mean actually even before Elon Musk, but meaner now.
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Oh, really?
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He's, I think, about 19, and it felt everyone— Did you, like, sip him a drink and say, don't worry? I did. I'm not going to tell anyone you're underage and that you're in my Social Security payments? I did. I'm just kidding. You're too young for Social Security.
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Oh, it was great. It was my birthday yesterday. I was in Jamaica, sans children. So we finally got away and it was fabulous. My husband loves Jamaica, always has. I had never been and
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Well, I think that there is an unfair expectation that Democrats are supposed to have it perfectly together at this moment. Like after Romney lost in 2012, they spent years trying to figure out what to do. And they had a plan and they ended up with Donald Trump as the nominee in 2016 anyway. And that definitely wasn't their plan. So I'm trying to take a step back.
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And look at this, like, everybody is out to win their race or to at least win their day in terms of coverage, what they're putting out there. And those 10 members who voted to censure Al Green are from swing districts. They're representing Trump voters. It may just be how they feel also personally, but you look at the character of these people.
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We had Tom Suozzi on the podcast before, like a Chrissy Houlihan, Jared Moskowitz, Ami Berra. Like, these are These are really great, dependable Democrats that believe strongly in the mission of the party. They're great representatives. And I think they're just running their own races. That it wasn't personal about Al Green.
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I don't think it was about, you know, taking a stand as a unified Democratic Party. I think that they felt like...
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He's obsessed with Jamaica, him and his friends. Yeah, it's it's a pretty amazing place. But we went to Golden Eye, Ian Fleming's old house. And now Chris Blackwell, who started Island Records, owns it. I've heard it's great. Oh, it's fantastic. And it feels completely empty.
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The way that it looked to have Al Green not only doing that and disrupting to that level, and it should be noted that Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and Joe Wilson from years ago when Obama was president have been hugely disruptive, and Republicans didn't care, and they didn't censure them, and... everyone just kind of moved on because that's their character and that's who they are.
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But Democrats always hold ourselves to higher standards and it can be tough electorally, but I do like that about us, that we have some sort of moral compass. But the big problem with what happened during Trump's speech is that there were these incredible guests that he brought, including this 13-year-old who has had brain cancer. I think he's had 13 operations.
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And he was essentially like a make-a-wish kid, right, who got to become a Secret Service agent. And a bunch of Democrats didn't even bother to look up from their phones while he was being honored.
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And I think that that's really what turned a lot of those Democrats who voted to censure Al Green and even some who didn't vote to do that like a Ro Khanna but spoke out against how awful that looked, that we just didn't seem— up to the challenge in that particular moment. Like there is a way to not normalize some of the things that Trump is saying.
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And there were tons of lies and his speech was an hour and 44 minutes. So the fact checking, fact checkers couldn't even keep up with what was going on. But when you have guests like Lake and Riley's family was there, hostage families, this kid with brain cancer, you got to stand up and you got to applaud. And they didn't do that.
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Like we were wondering the whole time if there were other people around and there was a happy hour, which saw like 20 people at and that was the max the whole time. So it was very cool and secluded. And my best friend has the same birthday as me. We met in preschool and she came with her husband. They live in Florida now. So it was cool.
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And did you see she didn't have the same kind of words for Andrew Cuomo getting back in the mayoral race?
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Not cool. I'm a 41-year-old woman.
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I know, but just don't do it. You were good before that.
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Yeah, I wanted to add to that with the eating your own. Al Green, by the way, is in a Democrat plus 53 seat. He doesn't have to think about what his constituents are going to say, right, if he causes a ruckus. I mean, inevitably, I'm sure they like it. He's been their representative a long time. But what really pissed me off was
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was seeing progressives criticizing Elisa Slotkin, who gave the Democratic response. So Bernie did his own thing, as usual, and he did great. He had millions of social media impressions. He is a viral machine in the best possible way. But Elisa Slotkin gave the Democratic response. She did an amazing job. There were conservatives all over social media saying she did a great job.
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She talked about being called to service, you know, in New York on 9-11, went and joined the CIA, did three tours. She just won a swing state that Donald Trump won. She managed to pull that off. She talked about growing up in a household where with a mom who voted for Democrats, a dad who voted Republican.
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She talked about how happy she was that we had Reagan during the Cold War and not Trump because he would have ceded the world to the USSR. And progressives are dumping on her because she said that George Bush was a patriot and that she said anything nice about Reagan. And I saw a lot of comments like, Oh, well, why isn't she talking about FDR?
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No, the big four ones. So seven years until my midlife crisis, according to you, right? Where I started traveling only with my girlfriends and dancing with my belly out.
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FDR is not a touchpoint for many people who are alive right now. I understand on a historical basis why that makes sense. But if you think that talking about Reagan and Bush being of good character...
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Isn't smart if you are trying to get swing voters, moderate voters, left leaning independents, even some right leaning independents to vote for you, or even just that she's telling us how she won her election. I mean, we should just be having tutorials all the time from Democrats that pulled these miracles off in this environment. And it really upset me.
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I was like, this is if you think she's too conservative, you don't like that she voted for the Lake and Riley Act. You're concerned about, you know, how she's going to be on trans issues, etc. That's fine. There's a time and place for that. But when you see someone that gets up.
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After Trump's speech, which had a very high approval rating in terms of the audience, which was skewed Republican, of course, but still, like he did well in terms of his delivery. She gets up there.
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She gives a succinct response to it that talks about what really should matter to the party, like the economy, our national security, making sure that the day-to-day lives of Americans is improved and better. And you want to shit on her? Like I have no time for that at all.
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I hadn't heard that one before. That's good. It's not really. It's upsetting. But thank you.
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I mean, they're not going to like it. It's... part of him tacking to the center. And I think a little bit of a fulfillment of him coming out and probably what he naturally thinks versus how he's been campaigning or governing over the course of his career. But I saw there was a New York Times Ipsos poll out on the issue of transgender women in women's sports. So it's an 80-20 issue.
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Like across the general public against it. But it's also 67 to 31 percent of self-identified Democrats do not think that transgender women should be playing in women's sports. So this is the common sense position, right? This is the stuff that we've been talking about. since the Charlemagne the God ad came out, but really for several years, right?
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Like what Bill Maher has been going on and on and on about. Just say the normal thing, which this is biologically unfair. We are not trying to tamp down on someone's civil rights. It's hard to make an argument that it is the civil rights issue of our time that transgender women get to compete on a collegiate level against women. We're not talking about
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having equal access to all the amenities of society, being treated equally under the law. We're talking about a very specific test case of this. And Tim Ryan was talking about it a few weeks ago, actually, when he was on Marr, and Marr was quickfire asking him, you know, is this the hill to die on about several issues and brought up this issue. And Tim Ryan said, no, it's not the hill to die on.
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There's a way to say that you want to make sure that rights are protected without saying that Leah Thomas should be swimming against biological women. And I get it. Gavin Newsom wants to run. He's doing what he can to make sure that he is more palatable to a larger, more moderate electorate when that time comes around.
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But I do think that there's going to be a lot of mea culpa over the course of the next few years. People are going to have to talk about... Why it is that they said that Biden was completely fine and that they didn't think that there were any legitimate concerns about him serving for the next four years. And certainly a policy like this is going to be one of them.
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They're going to have to talk about the border as well. Why did you not say anything for a lot of them for the first three years of the Biden administration when there were hundreds of thousands of people crossing the border on a monthly basis? Did you see the new CBP numbers? It's down to, I think, 8,100 people.
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crossings in february it was 250 000 peak on a monthly basis under biden and this started under biden for sure coming down but it's quite clear there have been no new laws passed the rules on the books if they are enforced can do a lot in stemming illegal immigration yeah it's
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Yeah, undocumented inmates.
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Yeah, they also need to talk about it in the framework of fairness because that has been where Bernie Sanders has been so successful, right, in talking about the oligarchy issue. that's out there and how unfair things are for the average American, the American worker, etc.
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And so that's how Governor Newsom and Charlie Kirk were talking about the issue on his podcast, where he said, you know, I was a college athlete, so was my wife. I have two daughters. I know that it is not fair. And my conservative co-hosts on The Five have obviously been relentlessly talking about this, but they picked up on exactly what you said, which is where are the feminists in all of this?
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And you've seen very few, you know, champion female athletes, including for Martina Navratilova, who is incredible on this issue, speaking out about it. You can't get an answer from, like, a Billie Jean King, for instance, on this issue. You have... Megan Rapinoe, Sue Bird, etc., defending trans women's rights to be in seriously competitive women's sports.
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And I think a lot of that comes down to the fact that people are just denying what biological advantages are afforded to men. And that has been something that we just haven't been able to have yet. you know, serious clear-headed conversations about. And some of that gets into the language police stuff that we have, you know, weird terms for things.
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And we're talking about inseminated people and struggling to find men and women. Not that we don't know that there are, you know, 30 intersex combinations that can happen and that the law needs to make sure that it protects as many people as possible. But when you can't have a straight, normal, common sense conversation with someone where you can talk about
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men and women and talk about where it is appropriate to have transgender athletes competing and where it is inappropriate to do so, we become like aliens to regular people. Even seeing that 30 percent of Democrats versus 18 percent of the general electorate are in favor of transgender women in women's sports, that's a pretty big difference.
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Really badly. And the strangest part to me has been how little he seems to care because he was totally like live by the market, die by the market. And he's taking a very laissez-faire attitude towards it. He was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo and she was asking him about this because, you know, business anchors, no matter their partisan affiliations, have been freaking out
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And obviously, you have a bunch of Republicans in the general sample. They're going to be pulling it to the other side. But when you have a conversation with somebody, if you just went out to lunch with them and said, what do you think about this? I think odds are that they would think the same way that we do about it.
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I don't think we're going to have a President Harris. So I think that it is a much more reasonable idea for her to run for governor if she wants to continue to serve the country. I know that she's technically the frontrunner in the early polls for 2028, which is what happens. The last nominee is always the person that's furthest ahead. And she did save us from...
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certain electoral disaster because i think if biden had stayed on top of the ticket trump would have won over 400 electoral votes and those swing state senators like the alyssa slotkins of the world would not have been able to win their competitive races um but
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You know, I assume that people would line up for her in California and that there are a lot of people who are considering running who would kind of bow down to the idea of Kamala getting in. And perhaps that's the right route for her. But I just I feel strongly that the national stage is not going to be where she ends up again.
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Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, actually. I mean, I know people say things like Obama, but I hadn't thought about it for Kamala.
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Well, she has a lot of those loony positions that we're talking about with Newsom that she's taken. We only ended up with the Charlemagne the God ad because Kamala signed yes on like an ACLU campaign. questionnaire when she was running for president in 2020, saying that she would be supportive of transgender operations for people who are currently incarcerated.
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over the last week with the Canada and Mexico 25% threat. And he went with the like, there could be a little bit of pain or, you know, maybe we'll see a recession and kind of shrugged it off. And Howard Letnick is out there, you know, doing his best dancing around it. Like, we're all going to be fine. And Scott Besson, we're all going to be fine. And Trump seems oddly comfortable to me.
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And the New York Times has an analysis, by the way, there are plenty of transgender people who got their gender affirming care while Trump was president. So he was lying about that and saying that this was just something that happened under the Biden administration. But this comes, that whole conversation was rooted in the A far left position.
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One of the most important propositions or ballot proposition ballot measures was Prop 36 for California this year, which was undoing a 2014. What was it? Prop 47 from 2014, which allowed people to shoplift up to $950 without being arrested. That's right. Right. And it passed with 70 percent of the vote, 68, 70 percent of the vote. And Newsom opposed it. And Kamala wavered on it.
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She was asked the weekend before the election on like Saturday or Sunday before we all went to vote on Tuesday. And she demurred. She didn't say where she would stand on it. You can't be like that anymore. You can't certainly can't run for governor of a state. We have 70 percent approval rating for something. And.
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not take a stance at all, let alone pick the thing that the majority of people are in favor of and not have a good defense for why that is. And Governor Newsom had a whole thing about, you know, the issue with privatizing prisons and that it was going to cut out money for drug rehabilitation programs, etc.
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But as an elected official or someone who wants to be an elected official, being on the wrong side of a 70-30 issue does not bode well for you.
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I think it's a little more nuanced than do nothing because it's important that you continue to amplify what is going on. So the best message tested line of argumentation right now is around the cuts to Medicaid. And that Trump isn't focusing on the economy. So over 80% want him to focus on the economy. Only 36% think that he actually is.
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Nobody, Republican, Democrat, Independent, wants these Medicaid cuts. And I'm sure you've seen the coverage of the town halls that are occurring all over the country. And the Republicans, you know, are saying that they're astroturfs. It's all Democratic plans. And George Soros is setting everyone up for it.
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But the Republicans now don't want swing district congresspeople to have these town halls because it's gotten so brutal. And they have veterans showing up who are saying, like, you're slashing our benefits, you're firing me. You know, we don't like what Doge is doing, hands off our Medicaid, etc.
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And so I think, quote unquote, do nothing, if that means amplifying what their spending bill is actually going to do, amplifying what Elon Musk is doing, which he's the weakest link in the administration. People like the idea of getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. They don't
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like the approach that he's taking to it and don't really uh see that as what's being executed then i say carvel's right but he's also taken a lot of big swings and missed like he said kamala was definitely winning you know he's uh it's part of his charm for sure right yeah he's well whenever he speaks you listen because he's just so compelling and so matter of fact but and he's a winner and we like winners that's right but you're i think your instincts are right on and that is
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with whatever the fate of the market or the American economy is going to be as a result of these policies that he hasn't done a particularly good job in defending. And I've been thinking a lot about the difference between the first Trump term and the second Trump term and how the chaos of this term is actually what we thought would happen the first time.
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Seems like Elon Musk is ruffling some feathers. There was some reporting of what went on in that cabinet meeting and that Secretary Duffy, who oversees transportation, and Secretary Rubio are our Secretary of State, were both forthcoming in their criticisms of Musk and basically said, like, what the fuck do you want us to do?
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Like, Sean Duffy said, we're having plane crashes, right, at an unprecedented level, and you're cutting air traffic controllers. and that apparently Trump sided with them over Musk. So I don't know. You know, I'm not a Musk whisperer. I have not deeply studied him as much as you or certainly as Cara has. But it feels like he is on...
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And that Trump at least has some level of realization that the fate of the administration's success actually depends on these individual bureaucracies working well and not necessarily whatever Elon Musk is doing. So he's continually demoted. You know, they say Amy Gleeson is actually the administrator. Now he is an advisory person, et cetera. And you look at Tesla basically cratering, right?
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The international sales are some of the most astounding. What is it down in Germany? Like 75%. So he, you know, might want to tend... to his home. That could be his children or his companies that he had before he did this and pay attention to that versus the day-to-day grind where it seems like these folks who got confirmation for these jobs have a different kind of plan on how to execute.
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But it was remarkably calm on a comparative basis and how central to that calmness Steve Mnuchin actually was. And I thought, like, oh, is this something that people are thinking about? So I started keyword searching for Mnuchin. And I see that there are a lot of people who are talking about what Mnuchin. a good treasury secretary he actually was and that he managed to stay under the frame.
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And he had a few incredible photo ops and things like that with his wife holding all the money, et cetera, but that he was really an even hand. And there was someone who pointed out how Trump 1.0 put two of the best financial bureaucrats in power, Jerome Powell and Steve Mnuchin, and then Trump 2.0 hired knuckle-dragging cultists. And I thought that summed it up pretty well.
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I mean, You would know better than me. I feel like it is very early in the Trump administration to be writing the obituaries for anyone, let alone the person who got Trump elected. And we also need to keep in mind that the normal things that should, quote unquote, take a person down do not apply, certainly to Trump, right? And a lot of people in his orbit.
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And I get this criticism all the time from lefty friends, you know, Don't normalize him. This is normalizing, etc. There is nothing more normalized than the fact that Donald Trump got reelected and that everyone knew exactly who he was and that they knew as well that Elon Musk was coming in for the ride and all of this.
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He was by his side, almost glued to him for the last two months of campaigning. So I I'm not sure that I agree completely with you in terms of this being the end of it, but it certainly feels like a trouble in paradise moment. And that, again, the American people are smarter than Trump and co think that they are.
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And they're trying to convince all of us that public servants are just leeches instead of people who dedicate their lives to helping other people. And does that mean there aren't some bad public servants? Of course there are.
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But by and large, a workforce that's 30 percent veterans, people that we all agree with, should have the most opportunities when they come home from serving this country, possibly, you know, risking their lives for us. And they should have these possibilities to go and and work for us and continue to make America better. That Musk is really off key in terms of how he's talking about those folks.
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It's got to be the Pentagon anyway.
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I mean, that's where all the money is. So they have to go after the Pentagon if they're going to be actually making any savings. And we've got to go. But I'm just saying it's all smoke and mirrors saying we're going to go, we're going to cut here or there. We know where the money is. It's in the entitlement programs and in the Pentagon. And so far they're not doing that.
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I mean, you go where the money is, right? And that was something that Secretary Hegseth said that he was open to. He said, you know, we've never passed a clean audit. And we absolutely should. So, yeah, start with the audit of the Pentagon.
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You too. Enjoy the rest of South by.
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Well, he has always loved tariffs. Like, the McKinley obsession is legit. And he can, at certain moments— wax quasi-lyrical about the beauty of tariffs and McKinley and, you know, we have Mount McKinley now in Alaska as well. So I think there is a fundamental affection that he has. And that's not to say that all tariffs are bad. And I I saw actually your markets co-host, Ed, pointed this out.
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There was an op-ed in The New York Times by a Rust Belt Democrat, Chris Deluzio. He replaced Conor Lamb, who also ran in the Senate primary against John Fetterman. And he wrote a piece defending tariffs and saying that anti-tariff absolutism is not good policy. And there was a very strong argument to make that
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that we need some protectionist tariffs, even when it comes to Canada and Mexico, to make sure that we're producing things at home, that people can earn a good wage, which I know is fundamental to what you're doing with that Project 2028, which I think is so cool. And I was... pretty taken with his argument. And he mentioned how we're all okay with the China tariffs, right?
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So Trump had the 10% tariff on China and Biden actually tripled it when it comes to steel and aluminum. And we get basically all of our construction supplies from Canada, including a lot of steel and aluminum, plus a ton of cement and lumber. So
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why, I'm not saying a 25% tariff, but using the same logic that we do against China, which is obviously an adversary versus a friend, but there's some good economic policy to it, right? We're not just punishing China because it's run by an authoritarian and they're terrible on human rights. There's a reason we're trying to protect the American worker there.
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So why wouldn't we think about maybe like a 5%, right? Or a 10%.
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Yeah, well, Trump backed off of this round of tariffs because the CEOs of the major car companies reached out to him, right, and called and said, you can't do this. I mean, it's $8,000 to $12,000 extra for a regular car. It's $20,000 for a truck. So anyone who's actually using their car for work is facing an extra 20K, which is obviously unaffordable. I agree with what you're saying.
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I don't think that it means that tariffs aren't going to end up being a tax on the consumer. A majority of Americans know that. I think it could go up to $1,800 actually per annum per family, the cost of these if they're implemented in the way that they're being posed or pitched. But the result that I'm seeing most clearly from...
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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the wobbly or frenetic nature of this administration is that our allies are getting stronger on their own. So you look at Claudia Scheinbaum, who I think has been great in handling President Trump. She has an 85% approval rating. Do you know of any world leader with an 85% approval rating who isn't like Vladimir Putin has fake polling?
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I'm great. How are you?
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It's remarkable. And also for a female head of state right on top of it, which I wouldn't expect.
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Right. A Jewish climate scientist lady has an 85 percent approval rating in Mexico during a time when dealing with one of the more xenophobic American presidents in history. Just crazy. It is crazy.
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Or like Mark Carney, who's going to be the new prime minister of Canada, won the race to be the head of the Liberal Party over the weekend, has no technical political experience, but he was a central banker, which is why people picked him. And he went after Trudeau consistently about how poorly he had handled the economy.
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I've been seeing on social. You're all over.
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And the major thing that he said was, you need someone who can steer Canada through this war with America. When would you ever think that that would be a platform that a Canadian premier would have to run on, right? This idea that we are going to be at war with our neighbor, that we are in incredibly friendly terms or historically speaking have been on incredibly friendly terms with.
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So that's happening there. You look at the European countries that are building up their own defense. They're thinking about, you know, what nuclear arsenal can they get to to help with sharing their weapons. We're cutting off the intelligence sharing with Ukraine at this moment. They're being embraced by Europe. We're on the wrong side of everything with that vis-a-vis cozying up to Putin.
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Well, your own social. Your team's doing a great job.
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And I see everybody else getting a lot stronger while we're getting weaker at home and abroad.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, those were I can't believe how long ago that is, but also how long I've been there. Like when anyone asks about it, I'm like, it's my entire media life has been at Fox. But that was great. And Wall Street Week was such a great and I don't want to say serious. It was obviously serious. There was some levity to it, but it was so substantive. That's the word that I'm looking for.
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Well, that brings me to a point that Scott has been making for the last couple of weeks is that this all has to be framed around economics. Everyone is sick of the moral argument. They're done with it. They're not interested in like, well, we're nice guys, right? And this is what nice guys do. They see something terrible and they want to go and help someone.
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You have to hear about the brass tacks of what's going on, like how our farmers are benefited by those USAID contracts. And a lot of Republican senators have been standing up and making those arguments. Senator Wicker, Senator Moran, for instance. So I'm in complete agreement. And you said so many things that were interesting to me. And I'm sure that I'm forgetting some of them.
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Wall Street Week was so substantive.
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But I wanted to add— to the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party having a baby. And we ended up with MAGA. And you said, we need someone who can speak to this. And I've been thinking a lot about Bernie Sanders, who I have never been a supporter of in 2016. I was a big Hillary person. That was who the base wanted. The base of the Democratic Party has consistently been Black voters.
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Bernie Sanders has never appealed to Black voters in any sort of consistent or large way. But when you look at how the coalition got scrambled in this election, you say like white working class people like Donald Trump. Well, look at the 2024 results. Now it's black, Latino and white working class people and some Asian as well liked what Donald Trump was selling.
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Now, do I think that they are permanently Republicans? No, I think Donald Trump is. is an incredibly special talent and has an appeal that cannot be replicated. But obviously, they are open to someone that is going to be making an argument along the lines of the ones, frankly, that Bernie Sanders is making. And he has been out there. He's on a fighting oligarchy tour, packing arenas. His
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spillover rooms are sometimes even bigger than the main room that he's speaking in. And you see, Republican states as well, that people are hankering to hear this message from someone who isn't Donald Trump. There is an understanding that
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Donald Trump has conflicts of interest built into him inherently by being a business person, not to mention the fact that his grift is so obvious, and we're going to get into this crypto strategic fund later on in the conversation. But people are very open to someone who has that economic populism to the way that they speak.
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Bernie is filling that void at the moment, but Bernie Sanders is not a sustainable option for the Democratic Party. He's 83 years old, and he's already tried this a couple of times. So I'm very focused on who can possibly— fill that void.
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And a very smart friend of mine who works in Democratic politics wrote an op-ed over the weekend that he put on Fox, which I appreciated because you should be talking to people who disagree with you. And he's arguing for us to stop talking about rebuilding the Obama coalition. It's like it's done. We have to find a growth strategy at this point and looking backwards to what worked
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for a generational talent in 2008 is not going to get us anywhere in 2028 when we have to fight this fight again. Oh, using the Kremlin talking points, I cannot even imagine how good They feel in Moscow right now, you see Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesperson, out saying, you know, this, the rapidly changing U.S. foreign policy configurations coincides with our vision.
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You had Medvedev saying something similar, you know, Putin probably thinking, how did I get this lucky? And you've said, I don't know why he's doing it, but... I need someone to be able to tell me why, honestly. I get it that he wants to pick on the small guys.
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Well, we still talk about your tenure there. Scaramucci's or Scaramucci is a... I don't want to say daily use. I mean, certainly on the Internet, it's a daily use. But we think about it. But you have unique perspective.
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He thinks he can control Canada and Greenland and Panama, has, I think, more respect for the big powers in this, you know, China and Russia, Iran, maybe North Korea. but it feels as if we are now living in a full-on gangster state where there is no moral code to it.
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And I look at someone like Marco Rubio, and he has been a meme many times before, but now that picture of him sunk into the couch, right, during the meeting with Zelensky, his suit boxing up basically over his head where you think, has a man ever wanted to disappear from somewhere more than what's going on with Marco Rubio? And then you hear reporting,
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That he and Mike Waltz, who has a similar view of the world, the national security advisor, were the ones that executed the taking Zelensky out of the White House. Right. And essentially saying we're done for the day and all of this. And what do you think has happened to these traditional neoconservatives that have found their way into the Trump administration?
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Because I do not believe and I know some of them. that they have just wiped the slate clean of everything that they have believed for decades. Some of them who sacrificed, you know, have veterans that have gone to fight for us and protect this new world order. I don't think that they had a lobotomy. So what is going on with the people who are working for him?
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And do you think there's anyone that is going to stand up like there was in the first administration?
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No, it's interesting that he's the one that's more generous about it, though.
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He knows exactly. There are some things he does know, and he knows exactly how long someone worked for him.
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All right. Well, I'm always searching for positive things to say about him, so now you've given me one.
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I love that. And I didn't know that. I wanted to pick up on something because you mentioned the separation of powers. Right. And Paul Ryan, you know, essentially being told that he worked for Trump and what's going on with Elon Musk and Doge and watching that cabinet meeting play out where you could tell that at least half of the people in that room were
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were doing a, you know, dying Marco Rubio inside, you know, watching Moss parade around in the tech support shirt and having an understanding that not only do the American people not want this.
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They want waste, fraud, and abuse cut, but they don't want an unelected billionaire serving himself over serving the American people, but that they might not be able to do anything about it, which I think is folks who have gotten into public service that should at least be part of the concoction of what motivates you to do it.
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I was kidding. I have some good things. I have a list that I always go back to. I talk about the Abraham Accords. We'll always do that. But he's not always the most generous. He has tweeted and then posts getting kicked off Twitter. He has true socialed about me, but he never gives me an extra 9.1% of anything. It's always pretty brutal. But... What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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Even if you are someone like a Linda McMahon, you know, or Howard Lutnick, et cetera, I think that They understand that public service, at least in its prior form, used to be about making the country as good as possible for the widest amount of the largest amount of people. And so where do you think the musk of it all shakes out? You know, people say they're going to have some huge fight.
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They're going to break up. Trump doesn't like not being in the spotlight anymore. And it feels like Musk is increasingly taking it as someone who was on the inside of all of this. How are you viewing it?
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I think you're pretty effectively doing that, but let's hope that we can continue to push that goal forward in today's episode. So we are going to be talking about Trump's explosive meeting with Zelensky, the state of the free press and free speech in the White House. And later on, I have an interview with Governor Pritzker to talk about how he's standing up to the Trump administration.
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I think you are already hearing it at the hockey games about how it's going to go for the United States.
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So, Anthony, let's get into it. Last week, I think saying it got heated is an understatement of what went on in the Oval Office. Donald Trump and Zelensky's meeting turned into a full-blown shouting match. Trump berated the Ukrainian leader while Vice President J.D. Vance questioned whether Zelensky had shown enough gratitude for U.S. support.
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I know. Yeah.
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Zelensky left early, the press conference was scrapped, and Trump later posted that Zelensky can return when he is, quote, "'ready for peace.'" Where do you think this leaves U.S.-Ukraine relations? And what's your general response?
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I'm totally with you. And I, you know, I was young during the 90s, but I talk a lot about the Clinton years and how it feels like we are... ripe for something like that to happen again, if there is a charismatic leader with that kind of common sense approach to everything.
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I just want to say, and I want to move to a conversation about the free press, but what you're describing as what happened here in America, which it certainly did, is happening all over the world. I mean, the liberal order is failing, you know, across Europe. Far-right parties are getting larger shares in Thank you for having me.
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And London was as jazzed about Obama being elected as they were back home. But something has shifted. I know the AFD underperformed what Elon Musk and J.D. Vance wanted in the German elections, but they still got a bigger share.
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And this conversation specifically about immigration is really what's fueling it, because everyone has lost any semblance of an idea of what borders or national character means to the average person. And while they might be benevolent insofar as thinking that
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were pro-immigration and that people should, you know, have rights to some goods and services, we all basically laid down and just said, you know, come on in. That will be Angela Merkel's legacy, which is sad. for her and everything that was accomplished during that time. But that's what it'll be remembered from.
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And you just have to look at what the CDU looks like now to understand how badly she messed that up and the lessons that that sent through Europe. But we need to take a quick break. So stay with us.
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I've seen some of your posts on social media, but for our audience, can you just talk about, you know, your gut reaction to what happened and where you think we are now?
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Welcome back. I wanted to quickly talk to you about the state of the White House press and free speech under the Trump administration. You were there for your 11 days during his first term. And we need your inside sources. The AP filed a lawsuit against the White House after restricting access to the Oval and Air Force One.
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Following this, the White House announced that they'll choose which journalists have access to the press room. All of this is happening while Jeff Bezos told The Washington Post staffers that he'll be making changes to the publication that align more with the right, leading to opinion editor David Shipley's resignation.
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What do you think is happening with the free press issue vis-a-vis this White House? I've heard people on both sides of it. Fox News has been steadfast in standing up in support of keeping things the way that they have been with the traditional press pool and with the AP. But what do you think the game is here for the Trump administration?
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But then why doesn't he sell it?
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Because, I mean, he has enough money and it doesn't make money for him. Right. And subscriptions are way down. So there are plenty of people who want to buy it. Why doesn't he get rid of it versus compromising his principles to this level?
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You know, maybe like in your, you know, like in the shower. Right. When you're standing there and you're like doing your deepest thoughts.
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That's a huge piece of this, though. I mean, the reaction to the left going too far left has been massive. The amount of times in regular conversations with my friends, we're all pretty normie Democrats, but they talk about the Charlemagne the God ad, right? About, you know, she's for they, them, I'm for you.
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And all the stuff that Bill Maher is talking about all the time, you know, that's pretty deeply felt. Yeah.
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That's where Scott and I met, Bill Maher. That's our meet cute.
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Isn't that what we did, though? I mean, we're sitting there with Liz Cheney. You know, Kamala's with her the day before the election or whatever.
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I like it. It's a good slogan. Let's make the 1850s cool again.
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No, maybe. Listen, I've always felt that way.
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And I would say I feel like the Democrats are very happy to have you talking the way that you're talking about being pro-democracy.
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Well, I used to even have that much so less since I started co-hosting The Five. But people, Democrats are suspicious of me because I work at Fox.
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Like it makes no difference what I'm saying or to how large of an audience.
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Yeah, I think the defining distinction between what's going on right now and in the past, and I'm certainly not combing this to the way that we were split during the Civil War, but is the information game in all of this and the disinformation.
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The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Used to be people looked at maybe one paper, right? And odds are that you and your neighbor were looking at the same thing. And today, people are living in diametrically opposed information cesspools. And we do not have a common language as to what truth is, what right or wrong is. You know, is the sky blue? I got 10 people within 50 feet of me who feel differently about that. Right.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Oh, they're thrilled by it, and they're doing it to their own people.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Thank you so much for joining me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
I will.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Okay, after the break, my conversation with Governor Pritzker. Today, we've got Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker with us. He's been making waves, pushing for more jobs, affordable health care, and taking on Trump's immigration policies.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
He's also sounding the alarm on what he calls the GOP's growing authoritarian streak and even joined a multi-state lawsuit to block Trump's federal funding freeze last month. Plus, he's backing a screen-free schools plan, which I love, to ban cell phones in classrooms. We've got a lot to cover. Governor Pritzker, welcome to the show.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
No, it's so great to have you. You have been one of the strongest Democratic voices against Trump in general, but certainly since he won reelection. But there are some people who are saying that the party is still not pushing back hard enough. What do you think is the right strategy? Should we just be on offense all the time? Is there a risk of overplaying it? How are you thinking about this?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Why do you think that they aren't? Because it was a very clear message on November 5th that that type of messaging did not work, right? The Liz Cheney's of the world did not compel that many people or really compelled the same percentage of moderates that voted for Biden in 2020. It was mirror image essentially in 2024.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
So there are a lot of Democrats who are concerned about adopting that strategy, but you seem fairly unconcerned. Well, you mean the strategy of which... Going out there and you talked about, you know, comparisons to 1930s Germany and your state of the state.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Yep.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
That does seem to be the main vulnerability so far in the first 39, 40 days of the Trump administration, which is centered around what Doge is doing, the kind of cuts that they're making. There have been several judges that have said this is illegal. Elon Musk's popularity has been plummeting. Well, Trump's has gone down a little bit, but not nearly the change that we've seen with Musk.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Voters two to one aren't comfortable with what Doge is doing. Do you think that that is a central point of focus where Democrats can— play it safe in opposing Trump without seeming like they're out of step with their voters.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Well, especially if you don't even have a real role. And I think all of us were a little bit surprised to hear that Amy Gleeson is actually the administrator of Doge. I think she was on Mexican vacation when she heard about that one. But I do agree with you that that seems to be the soft spot in all of this.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
And you brought up Medicaid, which I wanted to talk to you about this spending bill that the Republicans have pushed through narrowly through Congress. It looks a bit dead on arrival in the Senate. Even hardcore conservatives like Josh Hawley are saying they are not going to sign anything that cuts Medicaid like that. Twenty one percent of his constituents are on Medicaid.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
But you've seen Hakeem Jeffries centering his messaging around these cuts. specifically to Medicaid. What will Illinois do to protect Medicaid beneficiaries if these cuts do come through? Are you guys going to back them up and make sure that they still have their health care? Or what can people do on an individual state basis?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Absolutely. I think that they often rely on the fact that some of their own supporters aren't necessarily going to actually look at the language of the bill or connect the dots for them. But I think the Democrats have actually done a very good job of drawing that line straight to the Medicaid pot.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
And I'm glad to hear that you do have a backup plan, though obviously these things will not be adequate to compensate for it. And it's a tough position to be in to be championing what the federal government is doing for you because I think people, generally speaking, are suspicious of it or aren't taking account of the things in their daily lives that are from the government.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
But it seems like the smartest way forward with us to say there are inefficiencies, but you get a hell of a lot out of the federal government.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Yes.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Absolutely. I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about immigration, which was such a central piece of the presidential election, obviously. And what happened under the Biden administration hurt candidate Biden and then candidate Harris a lot more than maybe some expected it to.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
You have discussed the fact that you will cooperate with ICE insofar as they are coming to pick up convicted criminals. Tom Homan has shown up the border czar in Chicago, is talking about rounding up people.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Where does all of that stand and what are you doing in Illinois to make sure that you can be responsive to the way that people voted and that they believe there is a migrant crisis going on and also protecting people?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
What do you have against Dr. Phil?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
I agree with you on the point, the larger point, but I can't escape the fact that here I'm in New York City. People in Chicago felt exactly the same way that the migrant crisis got wildly out of control and that we essentially had an open border policy. And then once some Republican governors started busing migrants up to our cities, that we realized what life is like in Eagle Pass, Texas.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
for our fellow Americans there. And there were a number of city council meetings in Chicago that were widely covered. We did here at Fox where residents were showing up and talking about how their resources were being diverted to people who were here illegally and that that wasn't okay, that it had to be, in this sense, America first.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
And that's been a key contributor to Mayor Brandon Johnson's low approval rating. I believe it was 6% in an M3 poll that came out earlier this week
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
What can be done about that to make sure that, you know, people who love the cities that they live in, who love immigrants the way that you're talking about, but feel like we're not on their side or people in elected office are not on their side, feel like they're more responsive to them?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Absolutely. I want to stick on Chicago for a second and talk about the public school education problem, which is not just an issue for Chicago. It's happening nationally, but particularly pronounced there. You know, bad testing rates, you have low enrollment, kids not showing up to school, teachers unions want a new contract. How do you think we can revive the American public school system?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Yeah. I wanted to, as an extension of the school conversation, could you talk a little bit about your push to ban cell phones in school and, you know, some of what you're hearing also from concerned parents that they won't be able to reach their kids if, God forbid, there's an emergency?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Last thing, and I do this with all of our guests. What's one thing that makes you rage? And what's one thing that you think we should all just calm down about?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Absolutely. And calm down about something? Or should we just...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
That's an answer.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Amen to that. All right, Governor Pritzker, thank you so much for your time. I loved getting to interview.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Thank you all for listening to Raging Moderates. Our producers are David Toledo and Shanayne Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows. You can now find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. That's right, its own feed. And there you'll get exclusive interviews with smart voices in politics. Please follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
I agree with you. I just also happen to think that the last few years, we just had the third anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. Scott is off today, but I've got the great Anthony Scaramucci on the show. Anthony, welcome. How are you doing? Thank you for joining me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
There's been ample time for people on both sides of the aisle who feel the same way that we do about protecting democracies and giving Ukraine the chance not only to be a sovereign nation, but to even get into NATO and to be part of this group with us, have had the opportunity to litigate that to the American public, right? There have been, you know, everyone...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
You know, high up on either side, the Chuck Schumers of the world, Mitch McConnell's of the world, President Biden, President Trump used to be speaking a lot more fondly about Ukraine, certainly than he has been in the last couple of weeks. It seems like some sort of switch has flipped. But the American public. is not as open to that argument anymore.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
Obviously, Republicans more than Democrats, but over 40% of the American public thinks we just give too much aid to Ukraine. And we are in an enormously selfish phase in American history where people are saying, well, what about me? What about my life here?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
And that's a result of the fact that our leadership has never been able to properly explain why USAID is a good thing, why it makes sense to keep people safe and fed abroad because it pumps money back into our economy anyway. But being in a safer, more prosperous world is better for a safer and more prosperous America. And I fear that it is too late for that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
I was particularly struck by the scenes out of the meeting in London yesterday on Sunday with all the European leaders and the NATO leaders. And you think while we were a major topic of conversation, the U.S. and getting us back to the table and that maybe Zelensky just has to sign that minerals rights deal, which seems like a big loser for him since it has no security allowances.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
But you see the rest of the world or our friends or who I thought were our friends going about their business without us. And it doesn't feel like at least for the next three and a half years that the U.S. is going to want back on that ramp. Right. We are choosing a different path in it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
So do you actually think it's possible to make that argument to an American electorate that doesn't seem that interested in it?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Real Housewives of the Oval Office (Feat. Anthony Scaramucci & Gov. JB Pritzker)
That's why I invited you on this podcast, Anthony. Thank you.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I want to talk about something that's been getting a lot of attention, Congresswoman Mikey Sherrill's request to the FEC. She's asking to move money from her federal campaign account to Super PACs. Your firm is backing this move. She's running for governor of New Jersey. Can you explain the move a bit for my audience and why you guys are backing it?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, it's going to be beautiful.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I'm a big fan, too. Yay. I wanted to start... With a general question, we're, I don't know what the actual count is, 44 days or something into Trump 2.0.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Do you think that the decision... if it goes in your direction or in Congresswoman Sherrill's direction, will be a game changer for campaign finance?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Oh. OK, I didn't know that. I'm glad to have you here to explain it because I surely talk about campaign finance and don't have that level of detail. I wanted to talk about the Arizona case, which was a big win for you guys, striking down a provision that required voters to provide proof of citizenship in presidential elections. What was your strategy in challenging that law?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Why is it so important? Because I do... increasingly I hear even from some Democrats that they think that proof of citizenship should be required to go and vote in elections. Right.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
And I at the Brennan Center is always my go to on this with the actual numbers of people who would be disenfranchised if this were the case. But please. I'd love to hear your take.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, I'm very proud of the fact that I don't have any gray hairs yet. And my husband is bracing for impact because he's like, if anything is going to do it, it is going to be Trump again. So what do you think of the first couple of months of the new Trump administration, you know, writ large, but also from the legal perspective, what's been going on and what's really standing out to you?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I will definitely be using that and also the information around younger voters and married women who change their names, because the usual spin that you hear is that it's just about obviously getting illegals to be able to vote, but that it's minority voters that are the ones that wouldn't have the proof. So this is a great pushback on that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
It's a more persuasive argument that way. I'm thinking like a messaging strategist. But yes, of course, they're all connected. And that was a great explainer on it. You said, you know, the magic word or words, birthright citizenship. I wanted to get your take on where you think all of this is going. Is it going up to the Supreme Court?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
A federal judge has obviously knocked them back, saying, I think it was one of your The examples you're giving of the most strongly worded responses, right, for a judge to have to say essentially, like, what are you insane that you're trying to get rid of birthright citizenship? But if this does get to the Supreme Court, how do you think the court might rule? What what's going to happen?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
That's good. Would be good news in all of this. I definitely want to get to the open letter to Elon Musk. He came after you and Norm Eisen with a bizarre comment. I remember seeing it and thinking like, what is this about childhood trauma? What message did you want to send with your response?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
That's what that courage is about, right, that you were talking about at the beginning of our conversation. And I will say not only was the letter moving, your explanation of it just now was as well.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
And I've felt very strongly since Trump came back into power that it's the personal stories that are really resonating with people, that they're talking about how impactful their lineage is, how important their job is, especially for someone who is a public servant, right, that they are not societal leeches but people who love this country.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
And have dedicated themselves to it to make America a better place and to make it work better for you and me. And I really appreciate you sharing that perspective with my listeners, but also to the public. And Elon Musk, no doubt, you know, ingested it at least. Obviously hasn't changed course much. I want to get your response to a question that I ask all of our guests right before we go.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
What's one issue that makes you absolutely rage? And on the flip side, what's something you think people just need to chill out about?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
What do you think we need to chill out about?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, I think that's an important lesson about him in general, that just because he says we're in the golden age, we certainly are not at this particular moment. Thank you so much for your time, Mark. Is there anything more that you want to say about Democracy Docket before we go? I've already said it's an incredible resource and your work is so valuable, but anything final on that?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Fabulous. Thank you so much for your time. It was great to have you. And you're somebody that I've kind of dreamt of being able to talk to. So I really appreciate you coming on here with me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, it's... I mean, you went right for one of the sore points from an electoral strategist point of view because Project 2025 was resonating with the American electorate. Tony Fabrizio and Chris LaCivita have even talked about it in the aftermath of the election where they said basically we were scared because Project 2025 was permeating. the ether.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
People knew about it and it had something like an 83% disapproval rate. I want to talk to you about legal matters, but do you feel like that was a place that Democrats really dropped the ball and we should have continued to hammer away at that? or it was kind of a lost cause.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I like this more optimistic view or positive view, I guess, of what happened than I might have. I want to get there. So many current events that are relevant to your work. The Trump administration has recently suspended security clearances for Perkins Coie employees, citing the firm's past involvement in commissioning the Steele dossier, despite the fact that you left the firm in 2021.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
What do you make of that executive order? Is it purely political retaliation? Is it something that should have a chilling effect on the legal community? How do you see it?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Well, they're scared, right? And is there no basis to be afraid?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
It's a very fair point. I just I see so much less courage as Trump has been in our orbit, you know, year after year. It gets whittled down. I think the confirmation hearings were a big lesson, right, for where the GOP is. And there's been some reporting about the kinds of threats. that senators were suffering from. I'm sure lawyers are getting similar threats in all of this.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
How has the community felt? You know, you're part of a close-knit community, right, of these high-powered lawyers that work on these kinds of cases. Do you feel it fracturing? Is it similar to how it is with elected officials, that behind the scenes everyone is kind of saying, this is absolutely crazy, but I don't know what to do about it?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Or is everyone kind of receding to their corners and just trying to weather the four-year storm?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
definitely don't feel like a hero necessarily, but I do think it is so crucial at this particular moment in time to be speaking to people who don't necessarily have the same point of view as you, and to at least show them that competent, well-educated, and well-intentioned people have a different point of view, and that it's rooted at least in some degree of truth.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
So if you plant a little seed of doubt, and I feel like that's what you do for so many people who might not even agree with your politics or have issues with You know, how 2016 went or, you know, think Donald Trump maybe even won in 2020 because there's a huge percentage of people who actually think that, that they can recognize your competency and your expertise.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
And that's that little kernel where they say, oh, well, maybe he's got a point.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
It's an incredible resource, by the way. I just so appreciative because it keeps a lot of us who are not experts up to date on what's going on. So big thank you.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow, and I have a great guest today, attorney Mark Elias. If you care about voting rights, you probably know his name. With his firm Elias Law Group and his platform, Democracy Docket, which I visit constantly, Mark has been at the forefront of legal battles in campaign finance, voting rights, and redistricting law.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, the receipts are incredibly important. The amount of times that I'm reading quotes Of other people like don't take it from me. Right. I'm a partisan messenger. But hear it from a judge or hear it from Rudy Giuliani himself. And I mean, that was obviously the turning point. What happened in the courts that you could give a press conference and say, you know, the sky is blue.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Everyone can see it's a big storm out. Right. And that they're losing. That brings me to what I want to talk about next, which is the courts as a backstop for what the Trump administration is starting to do or attempting to do in these early stages. It seems like they've pretty much held, right, and have been pushing back strongly along these lines.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I've even heard, you know, Amy Coney Barrett is a DEI hire now. So can you give your assessment of what's going on in terms of the courts being the backstop? And do you think that's really all that we have to depend on for the next four years?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Just recently, his firm helped strike down an Arizona law that would have forced voters to show documentary proof of citizenship in presidential elections. And let's not forget, Mark has also been making headlines for his open letter to Elon Musk, firing back after Musk took a swing at him on X. We'll get into all of that, but first, Mark, welcome to the show. It's great to have you here.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Oh, something to look forward to. It's only been the first few weeks. We have years left.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Isn't that crazy? Again, I go back to the impending gray hair. It's really going to be the end of my life. We'll take a quick break. Stay with us.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, I'm definitely feeling that deeply at this particular moment.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
There are no cocktails. I mean, there could be. It's a morning record, though.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
When you're approaching a show and you're thinking about there are going to be jokes that poke fun at Republicans and jokes that poke fun at Democrats, which party do you think is more fun to roast?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
This is the only way to get through the day. I feel like probably by the third month of the Trump presidency, I will be there. Maybe live on The Five with a shaker. Of course.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah. No, it's definitely true. I feel like the Democrats, the funny stuff, the funny stuff about Democrats, you kind of have to peel back a layer or like... Look under the hood a bit for the absurdity of everything, and then Marjorie Taylor Greene is just Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, they're definitely looking for the amplification. I'll regularly say on air. Well, they won. Right. Because they're going to be on Hannity or whatever tonight to talk about some ridiculous stunt that they did on the floor or what they said in an earlier interview. But, I mean, that's the way that it works.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
The Democrats are desperate to get out there now, even more so since the election, that everyone thinks, you know, if I'm on a million podcasts, we're going to win. And I'm a beneficiary that people want to come on the podcast and talk to me about their vision for the future of the party. But it doesn't feel... authentic. And it's so hard to get that for people.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I mean, that's what voters are desperate for. And Trump weirdly feels that way to people. Right.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
His promo feels like a Daily Show bit, actually. And I really like Gavin Newsom, but it obviously fits into a particular mold.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
No, that one was a gift. That was a Democratic gift to the Daily Show gods. You covered both Trump presidencies now, or I guess we're in the beginning stages of the second. Is that all it is? Yeah. No, when people do it in days, I think this is like day 41 or something like that. I know. Definitely going to get my first gray hair.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
How does it feel covering him in comparison to the first time around? Is it different? Does it feel largely the same?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's also my first year not being pregnant in a while. So I'm taking advantage. Oh, God. It's been a while for you. Anyway, women are goddesses, blah, blah, blah. I want to talk to you about everything that's going on. I want to start, though, with doing comedy in times like these. And we've spoken about this a bit. We were both at the RNC, obviously, after the assassination attempt.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, it's funny. To me, it feels like what we all thought the first term would be like. Yes. Right. Or what we were promised about the end of days of all of it. And then, you know, there were kind of mainstream Republicans that stood up to him at certain times, or at least there were people resigning. And it doesn't feel like that is going to happen again.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You know, the folks that you thought were the safeguards on this have actually either been completely converted or just, you know, want to be Secretary of State bad enough, like a Marco Rubio, that they're going to go along with it all. And... I think everyone is struggling with how to meet the moment of covering what's going on while also understanding that a lot of people want this. Right.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Some of your viewers as well, right, are not against what's going on.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I think the only thing that'll move the needle basically on anything is the economy. So, I mean, it's already not going well. People know what tariffs are and they don't like it. The market drop we're recording on Tuesday dropped, what, like 750 points yesterday. Because of that. So I think it has to be that.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Or you see, like, if they're going to take away people's Medicaid, it'll be something like that, where people think that they won't get reelected. But it feels like the bar has shifted so far compared to even the first term that... You think it has to be extraordinary circumstances and you don't want that to happen to people.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You know, you guys have, you're making fun of things, but your show has a tremendous amount of heart to it. And so you wouldn't want anyone to be suffering. Of course. You're like, of course, I'm not touching that. Obviously. Yes. Yes, of course. I know we're almost out of time. I want to quickly talk about the people on people segments because it's absolutely a favorite.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
So if you were playing a hype woman for the Democrats right now, what would your rallying cry be?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You guys ended up canceling your shows. It was not the time to do comedy. Can you talk about what it feels like to be making something like The Daily Show in these times? Is it cathartic? Just exhausting? Yes. Oh. Okay.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
And then we have nothing. I love it. Definitely going to send that right over to Chuck Schumer and be like, next time you do this. Take a listen. My last question, we do this with every guest. What's one issue that makes you absolutely rage? And what's one issue that you think everyone needs to really just chill out about?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Do you feel like the subway is much better since congestion pricing kicked in? Because I do.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely feel what you're saying about Blue Sky deeply, also vis-a-vis my TV work. And I've been shocked, actually, by how siloed the blue sky users are, you know, because they all went over there as a reaction to the election. And I get it. You want to save space for a few days. But then if you're actually thinking tactically about winning, how does it benefit the
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
anyone to be that snipey and that exclusionary in the name of inclusiveness. That's exactly right. Like I posted something about, you know, while we all agree with the mission of Doge, which is technically to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse. And then I go on to argue that they're not actually doing it or whatever.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
The amount of replies that I had that were like, we don't agree with the mission of Doge. And I'm like, you... love government waste just because you hate Elon that much or you hate Trump that much or you genuinely feel that way. It's like the Blue Anon crew. I didn't know that was a thing. My husband told me about it. Wait, what is the Blue Anon crew?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
There's like QAnon, which is like Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then Blue Anon is the left version of it where they believe like every conspiracy thing exists. Okay. About Trump and co. And I mean, I'm willing to think like some rando thing is actually true, but generally speaking...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I don't know, I don't want to call Trump Krasnov or whatever they say is his actual like Russian asset name from 1987 when he got recruited. And like, you know, it's a lesson in insanity in a different way. So at least I have a seat to both sides of it, which I feel like is where everyone should be. And you guys do as well. You see it all. We're trying. You're doing a great job.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's all great. And I'm thrilled for your success. And it's great how much people are connecting with the show and with you. My friend was so excited that I was interviewing. He was like, Desi is the star. I was like, I know. She's always been a star. That's so nice. Thank you for joining me. I'll text you later. It was great for our listeners to hear from you. Thanks so much. Thank you.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Have you... felt like you've changed the show? Well, first of all, what's it like having the hosting role now and this rotation that seems to work incredibly well for all of you and for the show? And how are you taking on politics specifically when you are the lead host for this?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I'll do procedural for a second longer because I feel like it's really interesting to understand how this all works. Do you get to play a role in picking who the guests are for it? The stories that you're going to be covering more so when you're a host versus when you're just participating in the show?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Like, is it really like Desi's week and you have hand selected everything that you want to be doing?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I'm sure. Well, you guys always look like you're having a great time. And it feels like the political scene is kind of writing the jokes for itself at this point. Is that how you guys are looking at it? It does feel that way.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
So I totally agree with you, and I said multiple times on air, you know, if you watch him doing these long-form interviews, you completely see the appeal. Right. When he goes on with like an Andrew Schultz, he did an episode of Gutfeld with us at Fox and close to the election day. And I thought he was completely charming. Right. He actually didn't talk about politics the whole time. Right.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
He was because he's a pop culture icon. Right. He's a who became president. Right. Which says something about our society, obviously. But how do you balance the fact that he is president? So funny and entertaining with the seriousness and the gravity of what's going on, because that has been a criticism more of John than of you that, you know, poking fun or going after Democrats.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
makes people feel like Trump isn't necessarily as bad as he is, right? And I'm finding the right way to formulate it, but that it's essentially making it like two sides of the same coin, right? They're all bad or they're all too old, et cetera, is such a dangerous place. And how do you think about that when you are going out there to do your show?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I am so excited about this. I'm Jessica Tarlov, joined by the hilarious and brilliant Desi Lydic from The Daily Show, also from Awkward, which she starred on with My Little Sister for years. So we go way back and such a reservoir of affection for you.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's especially important right now because you guys are... filling a space where there are a lot of these key voters who didn't necessarily even vote before, right, that are coming into the fray, where they are not traditional news consumers. They are podcasts and TV shows and YouTube clips that they like consumers.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
And it feels like there's heightened responsibility on, you know, obviously you have a show that plays on Comedy Central, but you exist on much more in the social ecosphere, right, than an average show going viral all the time. So there's a lot more responsibility, I feel like, that you guys must be taking on or, you know, sensing as you're crafting your show versus regular times.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Desi has been a correspondent since 2015 on The Daily Show, and now she's one of the show's main hosts, absolutely killing it, covering everything from Obama's last term to Trump's first and now second presidency, plus all the chaos in between. aging moderates. Oh, it's so good to see you.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Last week, you covered some very serious topics. What's going on with Doge? What was it called? The destruction of government by Elon. Yes. Congressman Jasmine Crockett, who I feel like has been everywhere speaking her mind, telling Musk to F off. I think I can say fuck off. It is my podcast. Fuck it. Say whatever the fuck you want. Fuck it. Good point. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck Elon.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
What do you think that level of rage or that... level of energy is doing to the national discourse? Do you think it's helping or hurting the Democratic Party? This is something, you know, I think about a lot in terms of effective messaging. You know, how is that resonating with people? Yeah.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think so. I mean, the most important color in the election was the color green, right? That was the lesson in all of this. When you look at how many Black and Latino voters switched the way that they vote, not in the billionaire class, but regular 40-somethings, right? 30 and 40-somethings, Gen Zs coming into this thinking that if you have...
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
you know, a big bad businessman, he's going to make my life financially better, even if I find him to be repellent, which has always been the play with Trump, right? That people say, I don't like who he is. Don't listen to what he's saying. I don't think about women this way. I don't think about minorities this way.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But he obviously knows what he's doing because he's run this big business that's had like 40,000 bankruptcies or whatever. But yes, this is, to my mind, basically the only play. I think there will be some folks who get animated about what happens on the immigration front.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yes, that one for me. I mean, I had a due process fight yesterday on the five that made my head spin.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Damn, how could you not at least watch the day before we come on your podcast?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, not a lot of respect for it if it's for certain kind of people. And that's always been the standard, right? If it's me, it's a huge problem. If it's you and you have tattoos and are seeking asylum, then I don't really care. And... That's obviously frustrating, and I think that that will animate some people when they go and vote again.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They say, oh, you told me that you were just getting out convicted criminals who had crossed the border illegally. No, actually, you're happy to get rid of anyone who's here undocumented. And I think that might be a fine position for hardcore MAGA folks, and they should just own it. Tom Homan should just say, you know what? On the campaign trail, we lied to you.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And we said that this was about getting the most dangerous out. And it's actually about getting everybody out who's not here legally. And I'm going to go about my business doing that. I would respect that a lot more and also have to do less research for every show, which I'm looking for in life.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But on the economy front, it seems like, and I've looked at a ton of message testing for this, and I know you guys do as well. And Sarah's constantly in focus groups. and looking at the data, the messaging that works is they're going for tax cuts while they take away your Medicaid. That's it. It's pretty plain and simple. They're in this for themselves.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They promised you that they weren't going to touch their entitlements, but actually $880 billion is going to come out of these programs. And that's kind of it. And you put a neat and tidy bow around it. You have posters with it constantly. Hakeem Jeffries has already started doing this.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I think that's the only way that you get through is you talk about how tariffs are a tax, though there are people on the Democratic side that are pushing back on this. There are protectionist Democrats. I thought actually, I don't know if anyone else listened to Steve Bannon on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but he makes a pretty strong argument for it.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And he's talking about Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, you know, people who are hardcore Democrats. Right. That think that there have to be some protectionist tariffs to keep American industry alive and to raise wages, which we're all for in this. So, yeah, I think the economy is the only way that you're going to be able to go.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But Scott and I were talking about this yesterday on Raging Moderates. like it feels so shitty to have to think that you need to root against the country, right? That you want the stock market to go lower. You want people to have higher grocery prices so that they realize that the people in charge are just out for themselves.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I, as perhaps too emotional as a person, I have high doses of estrogen and maybe some postpartum.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Your eggs should be a million dollars.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think, and I worked in this world, so I'm a little bit defensive, I guess, that I'm probably still having meals on the money that I made in it. But I think what message testing can do that is important is it can get you away from third rails.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
If anyone had done message testing or paid attention to, hey, don't talk about trans rights constantly, where you're on the campaign trail, it can help you with that. Or to know people are feeling economically uncertain. Now go out there and say something meaningful in that space. But I do think that you're right. The commonsensical, which it's so weird to me that that's a real word,
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Anytime anyone says it, I think that they're saying it wrong, but yet it's real. Anyway, if you're talking like a common sense person, which is frankly why people are into AOC right now, they're still not into her politics, but she just talks like someone who gives a fuck, right? And believes in... people and wanting them to do better and knows what the government is doing, et cetera.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So yeah, you just need to go out there and kind of sound like a human being, but the message testing does help you know where you should not be going. And frankly, we would have done a lot better in the election. I think if we had paid attention to like the big flashing red lights that did come out of these focus groups, because they were all saying, stop being preachy. You look down on me.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I want to be treated as an equal.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I feel like the midterm should be tomorrow.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah, four and a half to five over the course of the... But it's interesting that these tax cuts versus Trump tax cuts from the first term actually do not spread the wealth in the same way. Because that was a major talking point that they could hang on to, that there was at least something for the little guy. Like, a very tiny amount.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
This is... This is one of my massive frustrations. And I get that it's a function of where I work, that I have to be so detail-oriented about every single thing that quote-unquote sounds good. We appreciate that. But the fact that no one talks about tax on tips the way Trump is doing it versus the way the Democrats do it kills me.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Trump has no limit to how much you can earn to still get no tax on tips, which means that you can be a hedge fund manager or a corporate lawyer and do your overtime as quote-unquote tips. because there's no limit. I don't remember what Kamala's was like 85,000 or something like that.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So I appreciate the question, especially because it highlights our fantastic brand. So anytime the word raises... I'm here for brand awareness, brand lift.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So that's actually for people who are waiters or waitresses or have these jobs that are really dependent bartenders on tips. And they're talking about it like it's going to be some give back for the working class. And again, it's just for the cronies. It's so frustrating to me.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Totally. We're A-B testing this. So I kind of have two answers. The first answer is that the Trump administration is implementing Project 2025. And we...
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I'm not mad at Scott's analysis. I think I haven't been out in the real world as much as a lot of people, which is one of the criticisms.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I do work for a big corporation, but I was in school.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yes. we do have a diverse set of backgrounds there and a lot of veterans that work here who love Donald Trump and would never think that he would do anything to hurt veterans. And that's still how they feel about it. And I think Scott's probably right that the idea of just getting fired or willy-nilly or whatever.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
It's not going to resonate because people have gotten fired, but it's the approach to it that's going to be something that can maybe get people on board with the idea that Elon Musk is up to no good.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I don't want to be ad testy or campaign message testy about this, but something that I do think resonates with people is that Elon Musk, I think he's getting another $8 million a day in government contracts. while other people are losing their jobs or we're not paying 12 cents a day through USAID to keep people who have HIV in Africa alive.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I found that article in the New York Times over the weekend to be particularly moving. And everything has to be contrasts, or at least I feel that way. To be like, this stuff is going on while this is also going on. And one side of the equation is just getting richer. And they're getting richer off of you. They're not having to go through the same doge process, right?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
were told that that was what was going to happen, and then they did everything that they could to say it wasn't going to happen, and then it's so clearly happening that the guy who actually created Project 2025, who was pushed to the side when the press got so bad about it before the election, is now back saying this is beyond his wildest imagination.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No one is looking under the hood of Elon Musk's companies at the same time that they're holding you to this standard. And one thing, and I don't know if it's just a mistake to be talking about DEI at all, because obviously that blew up in Democrats' faces in the election, but... The amount of people who don't think that veterans would be a protected class within DEI is astounding to me.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I do think that that's powerful. I've seen conservatives in real time realize that veterans are hired for work. a specific kind of background, right? Because they fill a certain kind of quota and they're like, oh, that's weird. That's the same thing that you're talking about where maybe there are folks who come from X background that would be good for this job.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I do think that that's an important argument to make. This kind of like, they could come for you. There is no one that is actually safe from this because they're living the next four years in a total YOLO state of mind, right? Trump can't run again. I mean, we will probably get to the point where he says he can run again.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But if we're just treating this as four years, I don't think they care about the future for JD Vance or whoever's going to be the standard bearer after this. They are going to create as much chaos and as much wealth for themselves as they possibly can in the next four years. And you have to try every single approach to make that clear to the American public that that is what's happening.
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I think you know why.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Like, they are doing such a good job subverting Congress, destroying our institutions, firing people, expanding executive power. You know, the Department of Education... It has to be technically an act of Congress to get rid of it, but who knows at this point, right?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
If you have judges' orders that you're openly flouting and then saying, and we're going to continue to do it, the sky's the limit, essentially, in this. And so I'm most mad about, or most ragey, about what's actually gone on in the practical terms.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Well, I certainly think with the CR that that's what happened. We've known that this was going to happen. The government could shut down March 14th if this doesn't get passed for months. And it feels like everyone woke up a week before and started freaking out about it. But this is the tune that we've been singing
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
since Trump, not even since he got inaugurated because he de facto became president like four to six weeks before that, right? Everyone was still flying to Mar-a-Lago trying to figure out what's up. Even foreign leaders were coming and doing it. So we were totally flat-footed. We didn't have a catchy name for the CR bill. Like we didn't talk about it as like,
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
doge 2.0 so people didn't know what it was and most people actually thought it was a clean cr they thought it was the same spending bill that you would have gotten from biden biden harris that's on us right that we didn't get it out there and then we didn't have an alternate proposal i couldn't believe it you know everyone's saying like oh we want to try for our own amendments why didn't you have your own bill that you could hold up and you say you know what i'm
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Republicans could come over and they could look at our bill and let's take half from each of ours and mash it together and get something to keep the government open. That feels like a leadership problem on that front. And I mean, Chuck Schumer, he basically lied to his caucus, right? He said they don't have the votes.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
He got all of these vulnerable senators to go out there, film their little videos saying I'm a no on the CR. And then he said, actually, we don't have the votes for this. And I think it's going to be worse if the And maybe he's right about that. But the way he went about it was terrible, and Hakeem Jeffries was able to keep his caucus in line. Jared Golden voted for it, but who cares?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
One person who has a very specific kind of district did it. Like, no big deal. In terms of the message discipline overall, I don't know if this counts as a pushback, but I just want to add to it that there is... a message discipline that you feel coming from people like Thune or Mike Johnson.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Well, that's the second part.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But what the Trump administration has done, and the Washington Post had a big piece about this, is they have invited in content creators and basically taken away levels of approval that you would usually have to go through for the type of stuff that they're putting in.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So they're giving them access to the inner workings of the White House in a way that you wouldn't expect content creators were able to have. And they don't have to necessarily get the highest level of sign-off on things.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So the video that came out a week or two ago of the people who are undocumented getting perp-walked, essentially, that didn't have to go through the highest level of approval to get out there. They were like, let's just throw shit at the wall. Let's put this out there and see what happens. And it ended up creating hundreds of millions of impressions. And
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
That's the second part of this. I don't want to just call it a messaging problem because I feel like that reduces it to something as simple as if we had just held Project 2025 up in better light and said, oh, look at this thing. It's actually going to happen, that it all would have been fine and people would have realized the stakes on November 5th and it would be President Kamala.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
We don't have that happening because at this particular moment also, politics is not cool in democratic circles. Everyone who wants to continue getting great ad sales is running away from politics. When is the next time you think you're going to get Alex Cooper to have someone on to talk about politics?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
2040 by the time she's not calling her daddy anything right so call her granddaddy call her grand that'd be a sexy yeah I hope we can go rage on that but like it's diametrically opposed what's happening right now like Joe Rogan is constantly going to have political people on Andrew Schultz Theo Vaughn
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
you know, bus and boys, all of them are going to keep having these conversations because it's what's cool right now. And on our side, it's so uncool. And we're trying to replicate trends from two, three years ago. These videos are so cringy or all the senators saying the same thing. And then they basically nuke us in one tweet, just being like, is this control alt F or like whatever, whatever.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I'm not good on the computer, but you know what I mean? Like, did they just cut and paste all of them?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Isn't that what Rahm Emanuel is kind of doing?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah, I assume so, right? I mean, Politico is reporting that that is what he wants to do, but he is out there portraying himself as an option for us, right? Someone who is grounded in progressive values and has the execution in the pragmatic world, which is all Democrats want at this point.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Someone who believes the same things as them, but has an actionable plan to affect policy and to also stop Republicans from what they're doing. The problem is a lot of the folks that are going to be up on that 2028 stage are governors right now and can't say that they're leaving that job, like Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think it kind of neuters you in terms of your current job if you're doing it this far in advance, three and a half years out.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But I'm really ragey about how much capital has been blown by the left, myself included in this kind of harping on the wrong things and then losing people when the stuff that really mattered, that you really needed to get across, like that this was going to happen. And this is what these people think of public service and of government. And they're not there to help you.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They're actually there to hurt you. And that's my biggest source of frustration. And it's a very democratic thing. In terms of the political party, not democracy, right? Large thing to do that we're always self-flagellating, which Republicans never do. They're just like, well, I'm moving on to the next thing.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, they're starting to get that they need it. I don't know how genuine it is because it felt like people were actually thriving off of a moment where they could only talk about women and protected classes and almost relished the ability to To kind of push aside specifically white men who they felt had been holding us back and tearing us down for so long. But they definitely got the memo.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But I live in this world of just focusing on what we could have done better or what I could have done better. And that's my big frustration.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And you can see it in people having these proposals and how we talk about the issues. But I just wanted to highlight from Wes Moore's program a couple things that are really important. This is the enhanced male paternity leave, which is part of what Scott was talking about. But he calls out specifically for increasing our male teacher share and our male healthcare provider share.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I think the visibility part of this is actually what's most important. And it kind of answers every question that we've been talking about for the last hour. What is the answer? It's to show up, no matter what. And you see the Congress people that are doing well, like the Pat Ryans of the world, He goes and he bartends. He shows up at like a local pub in his district and he's the bartender.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
That's the same thing as... you're waiting in a doctor's office and a male nurse walks in and you see that. You see someone who's part of your healthcare journey, someone who's taking care of you, someone who has the kind of qualifications to be doing that.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I noticed, and obviously it was made for very good jokes, but I don't know if you guys watched Andrew Schultz's newest Netflix special about his IVF journey or him and his wife's IVF journey.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
He has a very funny bit about the male nurse that is on this journey for him. It's like a hulking Italian guy who knows him from his comedy and is basically cracking jokes about him not being able to get his wife knocked up. And I was thinking, because everything kind of goes back to politics for me, besides enjoying it and finding it very funny,
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
the whole special, like how important it is to normalize those kinds of relationships, right? And that someone like Andrew Schultz, who has a ton of bravado, has some jokes.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Isn't it crazy?
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I mean, it's always very cheeky, but that certainly people think are sexist or misogynist, is portraying this male character in his journey to bring him the most beautiful thing and the most valued thing in his life, his baby, right? And to take care of his wife, who's another treasured part
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
of his existence and I love that that's a big part of what Westmore is proposing in this because it's not about the messaging of it it's literally how can we get more men to show up in important places in people's lives also for them to have jobs that to Scott's point like keep them afloat get them a house get them a vacation every year not St.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Barts maybe Disney World but I come visit me not for Mardi Gras though it's too insane
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah. You're like, get on with it.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, he's like, and I will protect you. And I mean that in the most violent way. And it's like, oh, well, actually, no, I'm going to vote for you this time. So, yeah.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Oh, my God. That's a good argument to make, to be like, you guys are against this, and yet, look what you have done to me, one of your liberal prize possessions. No, boy Jessie and girl Jessie is just too confusing. Another host on Fox called him Jessica Waters one day, and he flipped out on air. It was very funny.
The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Scott.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Oh, go on.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News Crashes Hard on Live TV as Trump Tanks Fast
And it's going to preserve jobs. So stop with the tariffs. It's the leverage that we need to protect. No, no, no. No, I'm glad he did what he did with Canada because they- Because you have enough money to survive it. No, that's not the point. This is for, this is, look, it's going to float all boats. Come on, Jessica. Really?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
What's your reaction when you hear that? That sounds like a completely normal reaction to this. The problem isn't with Doge or the mission of Doge. Everyone remembers when it got announced, there were a bunch of Democrats who said, let me on the committee. You know, Jared Musk was like, sign me up. The problem is, the problem is, with what's actually happening.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
And if you look between the numbers, people are broadly supportive of Doge, the Gen Z class, but Elon Musk only has a 31% approval rating with 18 to 29 year olds and how he's executing this. And they can see the difference between chaos and actually creating efficiency.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
They're looking at a world in which hundreds of millions of dollars of aid is going to perish because they're blocking us sending it out. There was a story about a 71-year-old woman in Thailand who goes to a USAID hospital to get her oxygen treatments. She died because that hospital was cut off from their aid package. They're looking at lies that have been spread.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
USAID is, what, about $40 billion? And you look at that in contrast to... That's a lot of money. Well, it isn't when you look at the $4.5 trillion in tax cuts that Trump is going to try to ram through. It's not. They want to take $2 trillion out in Medicare, in Medicaid, in SNAP benefits.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
They want to add $4.5 trillion in tax cuts, but they can't fund a hospital in Thailand so that woman can get her treatment. Rich, let me let you in here.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
But the real issue here is that he's talking a big game about transparency, but he's not being transparent himself. This idea that Elon Musk shouldn't have to do financial disclosures like everybody else who's working in the government is ludicrous.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
No, also, when you pull it up, it's empty right now. And President Trump said yesterday, oh, well, he doesn't need to do it. Caroline Leavitt has said he doesn't need to do it. The New York Times is reporting that at least 11 of the federal agencies that they have gone after have opened complaints, over 32, opened complaints into Musk's businesses. Don't the American people deserve to know?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
He has tens of billions of dollars in government contracts. If you are the doge master, then open up your own books. That's part of the federal government. They are spending money on Elon Musk and all this technology.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
What do I do? How was your trip?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, let me put something out there, which is All of that is true as someone who lived in London for a long time and was over there when Brexit was happening. I hope they backs it. I had not heard that term. You know, they had buyer's remorse about 20 minutes after the decision came down. And they were fed a lot of propaganda to make them make that choice. Thank you, Nigel Farage.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
A stronger Europe and a less dependent Europe is to some degree Donald Trump fulfilling one of his promises, which is to get us out of the global order in the way that we have been. And his voters overwhelmingly don't think that we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. He is actually being responsive to his own voters in saying that. And this has been going on for the last year or two.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I think people were really jazzed about the conflict in the beginning where Ukraine was pulling off these incredible defeats and they seemed like they were going to win. And something changed. You know, Russia was not falling apart in the way that they expected. Donald Trump and co. were obviously amplifying that. But it brings up this larger question.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If the people who sent you to Washington feel a certain way about something, is it your duty to then behave in such a way or make decisions that are aligned with that? Or do you go with what's actually the right thing to do in a historical sense?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I did my regular life. I had this crazy moment walking. I had the double stroller. I had both my girls with me. I was walking into the village to get some cookies because all you're looking for with young kids is an activity, right? To get them out of the house. I'm like, let's go get cookies. And this young man I saw, he was kind of checking me out. And I'm like, okay, that's cool.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I just know. You know, I was looking at the data on what Republicans support for— Us continuing to support Ukraine is and only 36 percent say that we should keep doing that. Nearly half say that we're giving too much aid to Ukraine. And a lot of people and not just Republicans have bought into the idea that we need help at home. Right.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We need that money to be spent on us rather than to be spent on a conflict abroad that, frankly, Democrats and Republicans have not effectively contextualized in the life of the average American.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So you could say, yeah, there are tons of people showing up at town halls who have World War II vets in their families, but they're probably outliers from the average person that I, you know, walked across. down the street and passed, right? And says, okay, well, we're going to send another $60 billion or whatever it is. We're going to send long range missiles over there.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're saying, you know, I can't put food on the table here.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I still got it. And then he goes, hi, mom. And I was like, oh, my God. What is happening now? Has my sexual identity become mom? And then he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, burp me.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I wish... Someone in a position of electoral power had articulated it that way because I don't think that anyone thinks that they have a job or are making more money or that even they are safer at home, which is what they care about, versus lots of people who are abroad. because we've been involved in this conflict. And they thought that it would end in a year, two years.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now we're at the third anniversary of this. And yes, there have been tons of accomplishments in terms of what the Ukrainians have pulled off. But Russia is not going away. Basically, everyone admits that there have to be some sort of concessions, even Zelenskyy. has talked about that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Burp me because I have kids, right? Like burp me. Like you burp kids.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Maybe not, you know, going back to, you know, a few years ago, but we're certainly not getting back to the pre-2014 lines by any stretch of the imagination. And nobody is making that case to an American public that at this moment cares first and foremost about what is happening at home, not just in terms of it being the United States, but in their actual home.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's so creepy. And then now I'm thinking, am I just a mom? Have I become only a vessel in life and no one would want to catcall me about something distinct from my children? But I did have them with me. And also he seems like a total pervert. Anyway, that was the highlight of my weekend.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I feel like I'm old enough to think that there is never a breaking point with Republicans. There are, you know, little spurts of pushback or where you think someone— still has their soul or their moral compass, but then generally they get in line, and I think the confirmation process has really elucidated that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, this is Trump's party, this is Trump's administration, and they will do things Trump's way. So I'm not waiting for any Republican to save us from this. It does seem like the American public, though, may be the ones to do it, and I've been surprised by how quickly... Trump's image and approval rating has softened or decreased or gotten shittier in people's eyes.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
There are a few polls that show that his approval hasn't sunk. I should note that. But in general, the trend line is going in the negative direction. And these are all high quality polls like Gallup, Quinnipiac, Reuters, CNN. Ipsos, CNN.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The thing that I think is most important in all of this, and it comes from a Gallup poll, is that only 20% think that the economy is excellent or good and 59% think that the economy is getting worse. So people wanted a pocketbook reversal in making their choice. in electing Donald Trump on November 5th. They don't feel like they are getting it from him.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And you're seeing that reflected in the market and people are well aware. I think tariffs are the second most least popular thing that he's done. Number one was partnering all the January Sixers. And folks know what the tariffs are going to do to the American economy. I also saw that the Democrats are now up double digits on the generic ballot. Think how quickly
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
that change, that we just lost an election and we have, the Republicans only have a slim majority in the House, but still, they won, right? They're in control, all three, right? They have the White House, Senate, and House, and now Democrats are up double digits on a generic ballot.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I agree with you. And I would add to it that there have been several analyses of what Doge has actually cut, including from the conservative Wall Street Journal. So while Musk is out there saying we found $55 billion in cuts, they say it's $2.6 billion, actually. And over a multi-year period, only 2% are related to quote-unquote DEI efforts.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And the rest of it is just stuff that, like, maybe he doesn't want to do, like, you know, develop a drug to help cure Alzheimer's, for instance. But they're doing this thing where – because they're controlling the conversation on social media that they're shitposting at such a rapid rate that you can't figure out what's true and what's not true.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're essentially telling people that contracts or bits of information about how the federal government are doing things – that they've unearthed it when it's all publicly available information. But guess what?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
To your point, you need subject matter experts, people who actually deal in this data all the time, to comb through it and to tell you, no, actually, this is publicly available on X site, right? Or you go here, and that's where you would know about that contract, for instance. And so the flooding the zone has been wildly effective, I think, in terms of controlling the discourse.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But they have not been able to control the American people when it comes to this because the people, two to one ratio, don't approve of Musk's outsized role in the government or what Doge is doing. And in these town halls, which you cited, which are happening in Republican districts, everyone who's a swing district Republican down to people in very safe seats, these constituents are showing up.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, it's more interesting than watching Moana, which I also did a number of times this weekend. So you live for very little. You remember the baby phase.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're not only talking about Doge to the brass tacks stuff that you're discussing. They are losing their minds over this $880 billion cut to Medicaid. they didn't think that this was going to have practical implications for them. Because guess what? It's not popular to sit around and say, oh, I love the federal government so much, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And don't touch a single, you know, hair on the head of anyone who works at USAID. I mean, that's something that feels so foreign and detached from the average American's daily life. But what isn't detached from it is Medicaid, Head Start, the 9-11 Health Initiative. I mean, 9-11 was one of the more unifying moments in American history, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
No matter where you lived in this country, no matter how you voted, you were horrified. that we had a terrorist attack on American soil, that we lost 3,500 American lives and millions since then in terms of the repercussions with the air quality and the cancers that people developed from that. My dad died of a 9-11 cancer.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, we're part of that 9-11 health initiative world because of the implications. And when they go after something like that, when you live in rural Iowa, you say... Excuse me. How is it possible that that's on the chopping block? And Jon Stewart has always been such an effective messenger on this subject. He'll show up in Congress to say you're going after absolutely the wrong things.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I can't. I'm the mom.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You have something that has what a 90 percent approval rating. Let's say the folks that went down there and cleaned up after that terrorist attack. or who have worked in the support system, the family members of the heroes that died that day, and that's who you want to be coming out after?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Like, we heard all of these fantasies about $50 million for condoms for people in Gaza, or, you know, supporting the arts for transgender people in Liberia, or whatever lies they were telling us. And they're just not being borne out by the data. And people are getting that message. And Democrats really have to stick to the script on this. There is a budget that will be being brought to the floor.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's going through the Rules Committee today. So when this is released tomorrow, Tuesday, it's supposed to be coming there and Republicans are going to have to vote on it. And it has an $880 billion cut to Medicaid in it. And there are conservative lawmakers that are begging leadership to to take it out.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Josh Hawley, someone who I really have, I don't think ever had anything nice to say about, wants to add an amendment to it on the Senate side to make sure that these cuts can't go through because they understand it'll decimate the lives of their constituents. So there is plenty in here to be going after.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But I think it is important to say time and time again that what Elon Musk is telling you they are doing, they are not. He is saying $55 billion. It is at most $2.6 billion.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I want to talk about the rebate checks for a second, though, because this has over the last few years actually been a really important point in terms of our electoral outcomes, because we did checks at the beginning of covid because of the CARES Act, which Republicans opposed. Donald Trump opposed, but it was passed and it went through while Trump was still president.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And he signed those checks himself. Right. It's a Donald J. Trump. gave you money. And then we did a couple more rounds of checks during the Biden administration. But of course, you know, Joe Biden didn't want to put his name on those checks. So they had a career treasury official's name on it. And when people went and voted, they didn't know that Joe Biden ever gave them money. Right.
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It was that Donald Trump gave me money and then I had a really crappy four years and now Donald Trump is going to come back. And these rebate checks, which if you look at the money, it obviously doesn't add up because those savings are a fantasy in all of this. But if people receive a $5,000 check that says Donald J. Trump on it, that will be meaningful. And we need to be very careful around this.
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Now, I don't know if that's going to go through. That seems like a muskism versus something that might actually happen on Twitter. on the federal level. But I'm concerned about that because those are the types of tangibles that people remember when they go and vote.
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And they will also provide further smoke to this smokescreen that's going on and what's actually happening in the federal government versus the reality on the ground.
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The obvious one is the reshaping of the courts. Biden did really well and had an almost breakneck pace in terms of judicial confirmations. It doesn't compare to the damage that McConnell has done with the Supreme Court being revoked. you know, the cherry on top of all of this and his ruthlessness and refusing to give Merrick Garland a hearing will be remembered throughout history.
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That was the beginning of this. But he slowed down judicial confirmations during the Obama era to a trickle at best and took advantage of Harry Reid blowing up the filibuster in 2013. And we ended up in this position where, you know, the courts are stacked against us, I say us as Democrats or left-leaning people, for generations to come. And so I think that's probably the biggest one.
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Well, I feel like first we should talk about what's going on. And you were away last week, so I'm sure you have a lot of pent-up thoughts about what seems like—
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I think there's an image that folks saw last week, which will also... Stick with us. And this doesn't just apply to McConnell, but this crop of 80-something legislators, 70-something legislators. You know, it's McConnell and Jim Justice, who's the new senator from West Virginia, was the governor. And they're both in wheelchairs and they're passing each other and they're high-fiving.
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And it just—I understand, you know, people have accidents and McConnell had fallen. Justice has had trouble walking for a very long time. But you just—you look at this and you— you think we have to be able to do better, not in an ageist way.
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I hate to think of myself as someone who is ageist, but it doesn't feel right that the folks that have these rarefied jobs, there are only a hundred of them, right? In a country of 330 million, that we have people who are that old, who are refusing at that level to pass the torch. And yes, I know McConnell is retiring, But it's a problem across the board that we've really got to address.
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As usual, super mellow about it. But, you know, the capitulation, the complete betrayal of Ukraine, it makes me feel as though every negative thing That we have thought over the last several years about Trump vis-a-vis Russia, you know, from anything. And I'm not going to say he is a Russian asset, but obviously we started in that place from 2016.
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I totally agree. I love how he was even embracing— of the kind of pop culture characterizations of him, like Cocaine Mitch or the Grim Reaper. You know, he leaned into all of that, or at least a staffer did for him, and embraced that role. We need to be more cutthroat in the way that we do politics. But he also is very much representative of the type of Washington person
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that led us to having Donald Trump. And there, you know, people will spend generations talking about, you know, how did we end up with Trump? And they'll talk about what went on in the Obama era and this, you know, latent racism that spilled out, right? And then people started voting for Trump, et cetera.
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But people like Mitch McConnell, who are Washington creatures, who have been there forever, who folks didn't feel like they were responsive to Trump, friends in American society, to how they were feeling about their lives, to how they were feeling about foreign entanglements. He was a poster child for that. And we would not have had Trump without there being so many Mitch McConnells there.
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Then you have Helsinki in 2018 where he stood up there and sided with Putin over the intelligence agencies. who had all told us that Putin meddled in the election and had wanted Trump to win, that it's all kind of coming to fruition. And Boris Johnson, the former prime minister of the U.K., who's a staunch ally of Ukraine, a friend of Zelensky, has been a number of times
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And I think The image of him not voting to convict Donald Trump in the second impeachment, even though he said that he was guilty of it, right, and saying this is something that we'll leave to the courts, will certainly stick with us, but also flies in the face of this notion that there were anybody on the right that stood up to Trump.
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Because I think that they like to say that, that these are the guys with the backbone. Maybe Mitt Romney is the exception to that, and I should shout him out for that. But Mitch McConnell is such a central piece in the complete takeover of the Republican Party by Donald Trump. And I think that's an important element of his legacy.
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He voted for Patel, actually.
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He voted against Tulsi.
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I like it. Were you brewing that one for the whole hour of us chatting?
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That's all you crave in your 40s.
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And he tried to soften this a bit, I guess, on X. And he posted, you know, obviously, Zelensky is not a dictator. Obviously, they didn't provoke this. This is all Russia's fault, etc. But he said that he thought that Trump was trying to shock Europe into unfreezing the 300 billion that they have in Russian assets and to use that to support Ukraine. Now, that feels...
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like he's just grasping at straws at this point and that Trump isn't playing 3D chess while we're stuck playing checkers. But it is one of the more depressing moves, I guess, of the first five weeks of the Trump term. I feel very sad. What about you?
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I think the answer is yes. And it's been interesting to watch the number of folks that have gone to work for Trump, especially in the foreign policy world, like the Marco Rubios of the world, Mike Waltz, the folks that we initially were saying, well, at least these are the really good guys, right? We're going to be fine on this front.
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But as they're talking and they're supporting Steve Witkoff as well, doing interviews over the weekend, the special envoy, It's like you can see their souls leaving their bodies, right, as they're discussing what the new plan is for the world. And it runs so counter to decades of experience. Some of them have fought for themselves as veterans, right, not just policy wonks sitting in D.C.
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or in their home states talking about what the future should look like. People actually put their lives on the line and are now going against that new world order. And Trump has had a bee in his bonnet about Europe since he arrived on the scene. He stood up there and said, if you're not making your 2% contribution to NATO, you don't deserve to be in this with us.
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And people have started paying up, and some people even paying above the 2% for their own defense.
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to look at the totality of the picture because there are decent arguments that are underpinning some of this. It's just when you look at the complete product, you have to wonder if there is a completely nefarious motivation for getting us into this kind of position. And Europe is weaker than it used to be. The economies are stagnant.
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Like you said, if you want to get rich, build a business, et cetera, you do that in America. If you want to spend your money, you go to Europe because you can do apres-ski and you can shop and you can talk to interesting people from all over the world who are there to relax and to have fun. But they're not innovating anywhere close to the way that we are.
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They're not educating anywhere close to the way that we are. And I think that Trump and co. are certainly cognizant of it. But, you know, you listen to the Germans had their elections yesterday. We meddled in their elections outright with Elon Musk and J.D. Vance, you know, pushing forward the far right AFD, which underperformed. So the CDU wins. And I'm listening to the.
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We sent our A-team over, and we were like, why don't you hear J.D. Vance out on this? Why don't you hear Elon Musk out on this? But it should be noted, you know, the CDU is the conservative party, and Merz, who's the leader of it, will be the new chancellor, is much to the right of where Merkel was. especially on immigration.
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So this is a trend line that we are seeing across the world, that people are not interested in open borders. They want to hear about a national identity. They want to hear about people doing it the right way. And they want to make sure that you don't have this... cultural hodgepodge that doesn't jibe with the way that they want their society to be. So that is part of this.
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But some of the quotes from Merz about the impact of the election and also thinking about the U.S. as partners are leave me almost despondent. You know, we must prepare for the possibility that Donald Trump will no longer uphold NATO's mutual defense commitment unconditionally.
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We also need to talk to the British and the French, the two European nuclear powers, about whether nuclear sharing or at least nuclear security from the UK and France could also apply to us. They are scared and they are not looking to us for help. It's smart of them to be thinking this way. So I'd love to hear what you think about that.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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But then also, I want to talk a little bit about Zelensky, the man, because he seems like a total hero in all of this. I was listening to his comments from the weekend. He And, you know, this is a guy with a 57% approval rating. We know in wartime people don't have elections. He's not a dictator. I am not saying that Ukraine doesn't have corruption. Of course, there are oligarchs there.
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If there are oligarchs, there is going to be corruption. But the fact that he stood there and he said, I'll step down for peace. If you give us NATO... I'll go. You know, it's not about the personal ego in this. And it does harken back to a World War II time, right, where you saw people rise up and show their character in such a way. And that was very moving for me.
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It was rough. Yeah, I was walking around like a lost puppy all week. Like, who do I talk to?
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And I'm Jessica Tarlov.
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So, yeah, it doesn't seem like Schumer being minority right. or let alone a majority leader again, is an idea that's long for this world. You know, Hakeem Jeffries basically dodged a question about it. I think Senator Warnock, also from Georgia, made a comment which was basically like, I'm not backing this guy, especially after he hung all of us out to dry.
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There is precedent, and you say, what would Mitch McConnell do in this in 2021 under similar circumstances? Senate Republicans successfully filibustered on a continuing resolution, and they got some of what they wanted. People just want to see the fight, right?
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They just want to see that there is a pulse and that that pulse understands the existential threat to the constitutional republic that we are witnessing. And I hate to be that girl that's screaming constitutional crisis, but all of the evidence is just sitting out there in front of us. And Bill Maher used to always say, it's a slow-moving coup. It's a slow-moving coup. This coup is so fast.
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Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to catch it at this point. Like, when you look at the continuing resolution and it's a six months, right? That's a quote unquote short-term funding bill. Think about what's happened in just two months. So then you give them another six months of runway with furloughed employees and bureaus being closed and you have to go to the absolute worst possible conclusion.
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And it's not as if the American public isn't noticing that things are going badly. So according to the new NBC poll, the only area that Trump is above water on is his handling of immigration. And we're going to talk about that. in the next block. But people disapprove of how he's doing the job generally, the economy, how he's handling tariffs. You see people like Scott Besant.
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Okay. Well, do you want to do a whole show about what it was like with little kids this weekend? Since you don't have the strength to fight me on this. And I can tell you about having my first fight with my husband about parenting in front of other couples. Yeah. with kids the same age. Did you guys ever do this? It's very uncomfortable. And they probably think we're getting divorced.
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He's on with Kristen Welker over the weekend. She's asking him about, you know, the market plunging, trade wars, and he says a correction is healthy. Well, this is so easy for people who have over half a billion dollars to say. It made me think back to, do you remember Wilbur Ross, who was the Commerce Secretary of
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in Trump 1.0 and he I think his net worth is about 700 million and he's talking about tariffs again I guess it's a theme that tariffs are not good for people and he holds up a Campbell's soup can right and he says well people can have soup for a little bit and it was of course wildly out of touch it was Marie Antoinette moment and we went about our business and we elected somebody else
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But now it's like when you have 13 billionaires in your cabinet, it's just everywhere. There is nowhere to look for a person with any semblance of a normal perspective on what's going on. And the American public get it. Like there was this new stat recently that it's the highest level of people who think that business conditions will be worse in a year since 1980.
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So they are smashing records on consumer sentiment going down. This, how will things be for me in the next year? And it's kind of astounding that it happened this quickly, right? There was a lot of economic promise coming into this, or at least the average voter felt that way. And it's been a complete reversal. And Democrats are just sitting there thinking, like, if I post a video from my car,
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And shout out Mark Warner. I was glad that he started engaging with social media in the 21st century in a way that, you know, people can access it and maybe feel like you're even slightly relatable. But like car videos aren't going to save us at this point. Floor votes aren't
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Yeah. Just lean in.
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Okay. We're in a public place. It is quiet. But people are eating. So we're in like the cafeteria part of a Whole Foods having lunch with three three-year-olds and the respective parents. The kids start being really loud. disrupting other people, for sure. There are other kids there, but they're not making noise. They're younger than ours are.
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I don't know. We're going to find out. I feel like I have a little bit of interview egg on my face because I talked to Mark Elias last week. The interview went up on Friday and it was all about how the courts are the only viable backstop for what's going on. And then you wake up and you're like, OK, well, that's gone. So what do we have? It feels like we got nothing on this.
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And I'm watching Tom Holman, the border czar. He's on Fox and Friends this morning. So we're recording this Monday morning. And he's asked by Lawrence Jones, the host, well, what's next? And he says, another flight, another flight every day. We are not stopping. I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the left thinks. We're coming. So they're laying it all out on the field, right?
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Going back to a six-month spending bill. That's tons of time in Trump years for them to accomplish whatever it is that they are going after. And, you know, it's a difficult place to be in because, like, I tweeted something about this yesterday, and I said, well, I guess the courts aren't stopping him.
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And Tommy Lahren, who is, you know, a MAGA firebrand and one of my colleagues, we actually get along really well, she responded and said, you know, Jess, I love you, girl, but, like, why are you defending these people? And I'm not defending Trender Awagwa gang members.
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I'm defending the rule of law and the fact that, according to immigration attorneys, there are people on those flights who had legitimate asylum claims and are not in a gang. They've been using tattoos as evidence of someone being part of this gang, which is a murderous gang. And I want every single one of those people out of this country.
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But they're saying about this one person's client that they had the gang tattoos, and she posted on social media that that is not the case, that this person has decorative tattoos, part of the LGBTQ plus community, here with a legitimate asylum claim, And their hearing was supposed to have started last week, but this person was disappeared.
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And there's another person whose hearing was supposed to be today, on Monday. But they ended up on one of these flights heading to El Salvador, to one of the scariest prisons that apparently exists on the face of the planet. And I feel so despondent about what to do. And...
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worried that we used all of our alarm bells and all of our words about the constitutional crisis and the end of the republic too early, right? That we were... This was 2016, 2017, and it went through 2020. And then he did actually try to stay past... his sell-by date, right? The voters decided they wanted Joe Biden. He stages an insurrection, gets away with it.
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Now every prosecutor that worked on that is gone. He's going after the lawyers that worked on those cases, etc. But I don't know if we should have just been quiet the entire time. And certainly there were some big swings and misses, right? We should not have done Russia, Russia, Russia, even though the Mueller report obviously did show that the Russians were working to get Trump elected.
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So they're like in strollers, just kind of chilling, but people are working. People are having low conversations. Anyway, they start doing Ring Around the Rosie real loud. My husband has a very low threshold for this. He also reflexively hands over his phone for screen time. I feel like he pushes screen time on my child. But we're also with two other families that don't do screen time at all.
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I am not trying to minimize any of that, but it feels like people completely tuned out the argument that he is a threat to democracy. They don't want to hear about January 6th again, which seems like a clear precursor to what we're seeing now, and that we're like the girl who cried insurrection, and now we have nothing.
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Just green card.
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It's the best. I shouldn't say that. Student visa would be worse. He has the best you can have.
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So he starts offering up his phone to my daughter. I'm pushing back saying, you can't do that because these other kids, you can't even give one kid a snack that the other kids can't have. Anyway, It got bad, you know, and the dads were intervening, saying, you know, you can't do this. We distracted them with food a little bit, but there was big back and forth.
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I share a lot of your same sentiments. This is someone who is completely abhorrent to me. And I see this also as a major failing of Columbia University that could have nipped this in the bud last year. And it is part of the Trump administration's plan to gut higher education in this country. So they took $400 million away from Columbia University. They're doing the same at Harvard.
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I saw that they're taking $800 million in USAID grants from Johns Hopkins, which is the biggest employer for Baltimore writ large. And they're not, there's no accusation of an anti-Semitism problem at Johns Hopkins. You know, they just don't want people to be able to continue with their research grants.
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And, you know, they say, oh, we have to maintain that we're going to be competitive with China and the rest of the world. Well, why don't you just take away our innovation, which is happening in all of these labs that have NIH funding. And it's, as someone who
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believes in higher education, was part of a quote-unquote elite institution for my PhD work, taught there, loves the ivory tower even though I accept that there are problems with it, this is gut-wrenching. And I worry about about the fact that the people that we're seeing going to the mats for are folks like Mahmoud Khalil.
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And I know that the point of the First Amendment is that it's not about the speech that you like, it's about the speech that makes your blood boil. And that is exactly the kind of speech that this man engaged in. But I really wish that the administration would go out there and find the law that he violated,
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And he said, this is the hill that I am willing to die on. You can't disrupt other people's lives. because of your children. So who's right, who's wrong, who's moving out, who gets to keep the house?
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the law that's on the books for that, or even the Columbia University laws that he definitely violated. Because what went on last year at Hamilton Hall and that Jews were prevented from going to the library, to their classes, to their Chabad's, that seems like grounds for him to have been kicked out of school. So we have to retrace our steps.
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And all of this is making Marco Rubio, who gave a pretty impassioned defense of what the administration was doing, seem pretty sane. Like, this is the hill that you want to die on for this guy who sympathizes with a terrorist organization that is at this moment holding Americans hostage. This isn't some group that has no relevance to our lives right now.
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There are Americans sitting in tunnels in Gaza. God knows what has happened to them over the last, what is it, 450 days now at this point. And we have to be on the side of this guy. Now, we have, I guess, good company. Ann Coulter is with us now. Eli Lake, someone who really hates Mahmoud Khalil.
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came out and said as well, you need some law that the guy broke in order to take away a green card, which is basically sacrosanct, on top of the fact that he's married to an American who's eight months pregnant, which creates a lot of sympathy for the situation. But I was taken, there was, it was just a White House official.
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There was no name attached to it, but there was reporting in the Free Press last week where this official told the Free Press reporter, essentially, we don't need to say that any law was broken. We're just going for aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. And the American public gets that. And
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I think when push comes to shove and when you look at those immigration numbers, that's the only area in which Trump is above water. I think it's a 55 percent approval in the new NBC poll that I think that they're going to win this one. And he is not going to be a sympathetic figure for many people kind of in the moderate middle of this who are looking for
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Examples of people who they don't think hold beliefs that run counter to the American project, who are not siding with violent terrorists that are holding us captive at this particular moment and think that October 7th was a day of love, right? And that there was nothing wrong with this.
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And, you know, their anti-Zionism certainly steps over the line into anti-Semitism, which is what was going on in these campuses and continues to go on on a number of them.
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with these spineless leaderships who sat in front of Congress and basically said, we're not going to do anything when we know if this hadn't been about Jews and it had been about Black kids, trans kids, gay kids, they would have been shut down in minutes. There is no chance that they would have been able to go forward. And so it's complicated, of course, and I'm torn about it.
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But I'm looking at this as the precursor for what they're going to continue to do. You know, they reportedly held a green card holder at Logan Airport. Did you see this story? A German who's been here on a green card since 07-08, married to an American. He's an engineer. According to his mother, they detained him, put him in an ice-cold shower.
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There's no evidence that this guy is sympathetic to anything that runs counter to the United States. And no one is safe. They should really just change this to, we only want natural born citizens plus Elon Musk. And if you have a green card, That doesn't mean anything to us. And we're going to completely rewrite the way we do immigration law in this country. Asylum, get over it. It's done.
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No, they're not. Those are... They're lovely and their kids... aren't addicted to screens. They don't yell out for Moana in their sleep.
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It means nothing. There are no legitimate asylum claims. And Tom Holman is the king.
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I'm totally with you. I'm noticing the higher education trend myself that parents are saying, oh, we're going to look at University of South Carolina. We're going to look at Clemson.
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People love Vanderbilt, UNC Chapel Hill.
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That feels right to me. Not just on this point, but the way that academia and higher education has been going, it's exclusionary. It's not... providing what it purports to. People think it's the golden ticket, right? That you got to the Wonka factory and your life is going to be set. But guess what? The only thing that makes your life set is hustle and reading and preparing.
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And you're seeing that more and more in these high positions, everywhere from investment banks, law firms, down to, of course, like the tech and the startup world, where it's just how hard you're going to work, how good are your ideas, and how intense is your grind. And by the time my kids are going to college, you know, I went to private school here in New York City.
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I went and talked to who's now the head of the school, prestigious, progressive institution. He was like, it's not even necessarily going to be a requirement by the time your kids are going to college. that you have to be thinking about this because I said I have two little Jewish babies. What am I going to do? I'm not going to send them off to Harvard or Columbia under these conditions.
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Even if there aren't protests in the streets, the academics have shown themselves to not be interested in treating Jews equally to the other kids that are there. And he said, Jess, don't worry. It's going to be a completely different
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different game by the time your kids are going and you're going to see it even on the tour that you're organizing for your son schools that you wouldn't have even thought of that you were going to go and consider he's going to be dying to get into say like this is the right place for me both academically and socially um so maybe that will be a silver lining in all of this but these huge endowments harvard with what is it 50 billion dollars are sitting on yeah
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They should start paying for all these kids to come for free. Now is the time. If the government's going to take away your funding, you say, you know what, we're going to go it alone. Get rid of all the anti-Semitic professors.
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Get rid of the kids that are ruining the quality of life for other students, clearly violating your policies, and put that money back into the system so that the smart kids that are going to be the leaders of tomorrow can come there without landing themselves in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. for the rest of their lives and make this a bit more of an equal playing field.
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It was good, and I guess I'm wrong, so there we go.
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Well, I think that Oval Office debacle actually did something. It moved public opinion in how Trump is handling this. So that week of calling Zelensky a dictator, saying he only had a 4% approval, and then that back and forth in the Oval, you know, first with J.D. Vance and then with Trump, obviously has people soured a bit on this approach.
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And, you know, with Russia saying that we're making progress, that's BS to me. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them, which would be zero feet anyway. And there is no evidence that they have... compromised any of their positions. They're still at the maximalist position in all of this. And so all of the compromising is going to have to come on the part of Ukraine.
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Now, Zelensky has been signaling for months now that he is willing to make some concessions. He even said when he was speaking in Kiev a few weeks ago, I'll resign right now if it means that we can put a stop to this and that we're going to have the security guarantees that we need. So I basically just don't believe it.
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I think that Zelensky continues to be between a rock and a hard place, having to negotiate with two forces that just want this over with. Putin, and he wants to get whatever he wants, and us, that wants this mineral rights deal, which is going to go through, and... If there's a tentative ceasefire, they're going to break it. You know, Putin and Medvedev come out and say, we're making progress.
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And that night, there are 27 drones launched into Ukraine. So spare me, basically, is where I am.
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Thank you.
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He also grew up hypersensitive to this, apparently. So I and I get it. My dad used to just pick us up and take us out of restaurants and say, like, Judy, my mom, you know, get the check. We'll be outside. And that's the end of it, which I would have understand. I mean, this wasn't, you know, like a high end restaurant. We were in the public space at Whole Foods. But I take the point.
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I just want to add quickly to that, that while I share those sentiments and as someone who spent a lot of time living in a former EU country, but I have a deep affection for the European project and I think it's incredible. that you could design something with the free flow of humans and goods and that we're all the better for culture sharing and economic sharing, etc.
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But all of these silver linings or all of these good things that are happening are happening for somebody else besides us. And that feels terrible. I don't ever want to be rooting against... my own country. I don't want to be rooting against my own government.
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And in every single conversation that we've had today, that has had to be a stipulation in this, that I don't want to be seen to be on the side of Venezuelan gang members. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of violent anti-Semites. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of the U.S. not having the important and
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central role that we should be playing in geopolitics in favor of a stronger eu or a chance for ukraine to be able to survive as a sovereign nation it's i think i said it used the same word at the start of the podcast i just feel despondent about all of this and it makes me feel a bit like a shitty american too and i love america I think it's the most fantastic country on the planet.
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Anyway, we ended up in a good place. And I appreciate your sexism when it's going in a feminist direction that you should try to always hang in that direction. But anyway, that was basically my weekend.
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And there's just so much that has made me feel sour about the way that we're behaving and what the future looks like for all of us here.
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Me too.
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I love it. He's listening. So there you go, honey. Love you. See you at Huddle.
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Three and not even one. Have we met?
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Okay, that's a Mexico hangover joke. Okay. Yeah.
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I don't know if it counts as a meme. I don't know what the definition of a meme is. But anyway, something that was passed around on social media about how parents spend their days just praying for the kids to go to sleep. And then we just lay in bed looking at cute pictures of them all night until we fall asleep.
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Yeah, it's very sweet and very accurate.
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I would love it if Daniel Patrick Moynihan could come and chill with us.
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Rough patch.
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I'm so excited. I grew up in the city here, and the 92nd Street Y has always held some of the most interesting and exciting programming and where everyone wants to go to be able, if they have a book coming out or for serious conversations on what's going on, future of the country, and was totally floored when they sent the email. I remember... I didn't know. It was like when a boy...
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that you like texts you and you think like, how long should I wait to reply? When we got that email, I was like, is four seconds too long to wait with the unequivocal, yes, I will do anything to do this. It's a little daunting for me because we did a live show right after we launched with like 100 people. This is many more people than that, but you say it's going to be fine.
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So I'm just leaning in to your experience, but it feels very special and exciting. And I hope if whoever's listening, if you guys are in the New York area, that you'll get tickets and come see us live at the 92nd Street Y. Yeah, just as a moment of excitement, let me just relate that or make it relatable to the 98% of us that weren't really attractive in high school.
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I'm very upset, like most Democrats are. And that's not because I don't think that we ended up in the correct place, because the calculation was, what's scarier? The government being open and them operating the way that we know, which is very bad, but we have an insight into it, versus the government is shut down and then they get to make the decisions on absolutely everything.
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And it doesn't become Donald Trump's government. It doesn't become Elon Musk's government. It becomes Russ Vogt's government. The guy who's running OMB. The guy, the Project 2025 guy. The guy who... is the most dedicated to destroying the federal government, I think, of anyone in this administration. And he would decide who's essential and who's not. He could close entire bureaucracies.
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And Democrats were worried about, well, how are we even going to get these open again? What is the path forward? So I understand the conundrum, and I think ultimately probably Schumer was right that The devil you know is better. But the way he went about this was totally feckless, totally spineless. He screwed over his caucus.
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I mean, just 24 hours before he said that he was voting for the continuing resolution, he said they don't have the votes. And then all of these moderates, all of these Democrats that are in swing districts up for re-election, like John Ossoff in Georgia, for instance— came out against the continuing resolution, thinking that this was a unified front like it was in the House.
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There was only one Democrat in the House, Jared Golden from Maine, who voted for it. Hakeem Jeffries had the caucus absolutely in line in this. And I think it's ultimately— and we're almost broken records about this— there's such a tremendous messaging problem about this continuing resolution. If you went out and asked people on the street— what the continuing resolution is.
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Obviously, most people would say, I don't even know what you're talking about. But the people who did know would likely tell you that this was a clean continuing resolution and that it was just an extension of the Biden-Harris spending plan. That is absolutely not true. It's chock full of cuts that we don't want, things, you know, to veterans, Social Security benefits.
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It's giving them more and more authority. You know, we know that the executive is after having full control of everything. They don't care about oversight. They don't care about congressionally appropriated money, etc. But that's the going narrative on this. I'm seeing it on social media from smart people, actually, who usually are paying attention.
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They're like, well, this is a clean CR, and we'll deal with it in September when it's up, when they're going to try to jam through their trillions of dollars in tax cuts and take away nearly $900 billion in Medicaid funding. But The way that the Democrats played this or Schumer played this, it was like it was a surprise to them.
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We have known for months that March 14th was the drop-dead date on this, that that's when this vote was going to happen. And it's like they woke up four days before and were like, oh, holy shit, something's happening. The House is on fire. How did you not spend months recasting the continuing resolution as, you know, something like, the Doge Act, right? Or I don't know, give it some fancy name.
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You're the branding guy. Maybe you can come up with something better. But how did you waste that opportunity? And then how did you not also have your own continuing resolution to put forward to say, okay, let's work together on this. Spending the government should be bipartisan, which is one of the lines from one of Schumer's speeches, maybe when he was wearing the really bad suit.
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And you say, all right, if you guys are going to maintain this as a clean CR, let's show you what an actual clean CR is and force them, force them to accept some amendments that keep the government, you know, reflective of at least how it has been, even though that's not ideal. And so we missed on absolutely every opportunity. The voters are incensed to a crazy level. The Democratic
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approval is the lowest it's been in 30 years of polling, 29% or something. And 65% of self-identified Democrats now want... our elected officials to stick to their positions, even if this means not getting things done in Washington. That's a complete reversal of what we saw coming into this, where people were saying, you know, pick and choose your spots, work with them where it makes sense.
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Now they're saying this is war.
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Like, obviously, you know, Mitch McConnell and the kind of more traditional set have been, you know, screaming from the rooftops at a low pitch. He doesn't scream publicly. It's not so loud anymore at 83, but have been trying to talk about the importance of keeping together the democratic world order and that you need to support countries that share our values.
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And it feels like that has just fallen on completely deaf ears and that people have moved to this world where it's what about me first and can't see the second order effects anymore. if we end up abandoning Ukraine. So do you think there's anything we could have done or this storm, which is taking over the world, right? Was there any way to stop this?
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Tim, this is the banter section. How are you?
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It's just such a big failure when you think about how core Biden made it to his reason for being. Right. I mean, part of it was I have to get you all through COVID and I can be America's grandpa and I'm the most empathetic man you ever met.
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But it was also like this return to normalcy and, you know, people's lived experience was just so not commensurate with the world that he was talking about that they were just like... F you. Right. I'm out.
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I would even say that the quality of the messaging wouldn't have mattered as much if it was happening as more frequently, that people actually just want to physically see you. And then their minds run wild. And obviously there are people who are feeding this that are like, oh, he's not here because he's dead, but he'll be awake at two o'clock and then he's going to die again.
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We will see what the people think. I think they'll be excited to see you. They were super excited when you joined us, but we were together, all three of us.
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Yes, be everywhere all the time, even if they don't like you and their feed. I have this conversation constantly with people. I'm like, oh, but the engagement is so mean. And they're like, but it's engagement. That's what Trump understands. Like, all the hate comments, they're still thinking about you. You're still living, what did they say, like, rent-free in your head?
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I want to talk to you about the AP, but just really quickly, did you—I shouldn't say, did you make anything, because it obviously is a big deal—about the State Department taking down the statement that they—that we do not support Taiwanese independence? And, like, that feels— Like, it's flying in the face of the way that we're moving with Russia, because obviously that's China's red line.
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That feels like signature Rubio to me, who's such a big China hawk. Do you think anything's going to come of this?
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Democratic snoozing.
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All right. So we've got a rogue Rubio moment.
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He benefits from us being.
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I mean, this is heavy for the banter section. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I'm good with it.
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Yeah. Like, let them put whatever they want on their silly website about cooperation with Taiwan. Okay. Moving on to something else sad. I want to talk about the AP getting banned. So they were kicked out of the press briefings, and then they weren't allowed... A photographer and a reporter weren't allowed on the presidential plane. And there was a big...
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It feels so lame to say there was a big explainer because it wasn't even like a real piece of journalism. But I got a nifty newsletter from Axios talking about the kind of history of this administration's objections to the AP. And basically, they're mad that the AP style book has used terms that they hate too liberally, like gender, DEI, inclusivity, etc.,
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It's difficult times. No, I don't want to talk about... I mean, if you want to talk about Mardi Gras and hiding in your house, we could do that. Do you really think that they're snoozing or we're not paying attention?
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I'm old enough to remember when the other news stations stood with Fox News when the Obama administration wasn't going to let them in to do a pool briefing with a representative from the administration and basically ABC, NBC, CBS. They all said, if Fox can't do it, then we're not doing it. And then they let them in begrudgingly. But it doesn't feel like that moment is happening at all.
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Like, everyone is bemoaning the fact that the AP is being excluded, but no one is doing anything about it. It's like a pretty obvious, we, A, don't know what the First Amendment means, and B, we don't care. And we're running this like the Wild West.
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No, they definitely just want to get in as many kind of gloating laps early on. I think that they know that it just gets more and more complicated. And certainly as we head into special elections and the midterms and things like that, which hopefully Democrats will perform better than we did.
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I think they can look to past administrations and say, okay, you know, your first two years are when you can actually get things done, right? They have control of everything. They're definitely trying it on. Right, to the largest extent possible. You know, let's ram through $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. Like, let's try to cut all of these entitlement programs.
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Now, they realize that they're not going to get their wish list of all of it, but they are at a moment where they're owning the culture. And so I feel like they're just taking advantage and saying, okay, well, if we have ingratiated ourselves to a segment of the American population that wouldn't have given us their time at all four, eight years ago, let's really go for it.
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And you can tell that also in the attitude that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, has about everything. I mean, she's so haughty and arrogant in the way that she delivers everything, which, listen, I wish that I had more of that in me. I wish I didn't have such a terrible case of imposter syndromes. But, like, to be 27 years old and to walk up there with that, you know... It's a fact.
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It's the Gulf of America. Right.
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Right. Or, like... Every man in Gaza is wearing a condom that we paid for. Well, actually, no. No, that's not true. In Mozambique, there are some condoms that got sent. You know, and it's the Trump bravado that if you say it a certain way, there's at least a good amount of people that are going to believe you. And I think that they're living for the moment, right?
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It's like a YOLO administration at this point. And until there are real consequences, I think they're going to go for it with everything. I mean, the APA is calling Mount Denali Mount McKinley right now. I mean, they're doing half of the crazy thing.
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Well, there are owning infrequent voters that are 18 to 40, right? And those are real culture vultures. Those are people that are listening to podcasts. Those are people who are concerned about all of the dyes in our food. Those are people who are picking schools for their kids to go to and are disenchanted with the public school system. And
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wanting to get away from feeling like they have to use gender pronouns on their email signatures. I mean, these are real things that folks are thinking about. And so I don't know if owning the culture is the right way to put it, because I still don't think that Kid Rock is cooler than Jay-Z. That will just never happen.
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I can't. I can't fight the 40, and I'm 41 in a couple of weeks. No, but Kid Rock was on Bill Maher on Friday night, and I found the interview really interesting. I mean, it was, first of all, I had forgotten, I guess, that he played Obama's inauguration in 08. And he was like, it's not as if I liked Obama then. You just show up and you do this. But he was essentially mocking us for...
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like liberal leaning people and you new to this side of the fence, but for freaking out about everything all the time. And I do think that they are owning the culture by making it clear that majority of people feel like it's just not that serious. And part of that is a mistake on Democrats' part by not making it feel like it's that serious in practical ways.
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Not like the sky is actually going to fall, but like this is the way that your checkbook is going to be affected. This is the way your kid is going to be affected. But like people are walking around just saying, I don't think politics is that serious. And the Republican side seems like that right now.
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I think resonant yelling is the trick for that one because I have seen some yelling and I have hated it.
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Singing, yelling.
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Welcome back. Mayor Eric Adams just got a legal lifeline, but it came from the most controversial figure in New York politics, Donald Trump. The Trump administration's Justice Department dropped Adams' corruption case, but in a city where Trump remains deeply unpopular, that reprieve could be more of a political liability than a win.
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Now Adams is facing accusations of being in Trump's pocket, especially after appearing alongside Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, and making moves that align with the president's immigration policies. Meanwhile, the case's dismissal has sparked a crisis inside Trump's DOJ, a mass resignation of prosecutors, including one who accused DOJ leaders of looking for a, quote, fool to take the fall.
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Have you been following that? Probably not as closely as me.
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Yeah, we're getting lapped by the YMCA. So you got to think about that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
That's Federalist Society for maybe raging moderates audiences are not as in it as the bulwark who are like fed sock.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Well, you don't even want it back, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah, I was into it. I had... I've been feeling starved, I guess, for some old school intellectual resistance, I guess, not people out there with a sign, you know, like, hands off my whatever. I'm okay with those signs, too.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah, I like them, but they're not getting us really anywhere at this point. But it feels like... what they're doing is because it's a harbinger of bad things to come. So the Adams case itself, or at least what we know about it, you would expect more, I guess, in the indictment. He definitely broke the law, and I thought that Sassoon's letter was, you know, very specific about that.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And that does matter to people that are career prosecutors who take the law very seriously. But to me, I felt a little bit of a, if you think that we're just going to roll over for all of this from...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
like, the lighter fare of this, which obviously has very real implications for New York City politics and national politics even, but that they're scared of what this administration is going to be asking them to do. Like, Pam Bondi will see us all as... folks that are ready to just line up and rubber stamp whatever is to come.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And they can't help the fact, even though Bondi was one of the lesser controversial nominees, which just speaks to how crazy the set of nominees were. But, you know, Pam Bondi was all in on the 2020 election, was rigged out there front and center on that. And to me, it felt like a little bit...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Of a cry for help or at least a signal of we can't be there for whatever they are going to try because they've spent so much time bemoaning, quote unquote, lawfare. And it is very clear that they are looking to weaponize everything back for their own benefit.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
He took away the notes.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah, though you do need good people to stay. I said a couple of weeks ago that it's going to require thousands of Mike Pence's to make it through whatever is to come over the course of the next four years. So I agree with you. And I think it also matters that this is happening so early on. I can't believe we're only in the beginning of the fourth week of this.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
but we are going to need people who are interested in the rule of law in a traditional sense, not in the rule of law just because I said so in Napoleonic-slash-Trump terms to reference his weekend tweeting, which did not feel like him at all. I don't know. That felt more Musk.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
It's accredited.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Or Stephen Miller, like, someone got control of the phone for a second. I don't want to belabor that Adam stuff that much, but part of the deal...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
that I guess he's made, which he claims he hasn't made a deal with the administration, but it's quite obvious since he had to sit on the Fox & Friends couch and be humiliated by Tom Homan a couple days ago, but is that they'll be easing or he's going to try to ease sanctuary city laws as it applies to Rikers.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And the way that sanctuary city policy works in New York is that ICE can't be near the prisons. And the reason that that's the case is It's not necessarily that we don't want criminals to be deported, but it's because they could pick up people who haven't actually been convicted yet, people who have just been charged and not gone through their due process, which they're entitled to.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
No, probably not.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Do you have any views, kind of thinking about... the macro issue that I think liberals are finding themselves in is having been way too lax about illegal migration and even too lax on people who are here illegally and then committing violent crimes on how we should be approaching sanctuary policy.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
It's a pretty good upgrade.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Did you watch any of the SNL 50 stuff?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah. It's definitely the way that a lot of Democrats feel. You already referenced John Fetterman. You'd be like, why are you wasting my time with this? Right? This is... You're in a privileged position that you got to be here illegally in the first place. And you can just see the...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
next iteration of the Charlemagne ad about giving transgender surgeries for undocumented people in prison being written about something like this. It doesn't change the fact that the city council has to be the ones to revise sanctuary city laws. But I tend to agree with you that kicking up a massive fuss about it probably just allows Trump and co.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
to continue to say that we're so out of step with where culture is.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah, that leads me to something I've been thinking about in general, about where Democrats... show up and stand up and amplifying stories like that on a local level versus in D.C. I mean, D.C., unless, you know, unless you represent Virginia or Maryland, like, I don't think any of this should be going on in D.C. I think you need to be back with your people and talking about stories like that.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
There was another one in Milwaukee, which I talked about on The Five, and rarely do my colleagues just shut up, but they were like, oh, my God, that happened, where they took in a toddler, a mom, and a grandmother. for speaking Spanish. And someone had to come with birth certificates—they were Puerto Rican—to get them out of the detention center.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And the idea of a two-year-old in a detention center for allegedly, you know, where we're going to be holding people that have committed violent crimes and were here illegally when they're Americans and did nothing but speak another language, seem to hit the audience hard. Yeah.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Prison rape is always a highlight. I said multiple times to my husband that I can't believe this show is happening. Like, if it weren't the SNL 50, there's no way these jokes would have made it in, but I'm pretty sure everybody showed up and they were like, we are not playing by 2025 standards. We're playing by whatever year we were actually on the show. And...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I obviously agree with you. And it's always great when I see others... showing up, not even necessarily to get the clickbait that worked in 2016, you know, how everything was just about owning the other side and there were those huge fights. Now it's like showing up and being reasonable makes even more of a difference because people's partisan lines have been... completely scrambled, right?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
You can't predict it anymore in the same way. And so if you show up like Jared Moskowitz did and you sound reasonable about immigration, you know, he was one of the first ones to say, let me in the Doge caucus, for instance, but then you hold the line about stuff that really matters and it gets amplified like that because he was on, you know, on primetime. They love it.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
They're going to get the clip out into their ether. We'll get their clip out into our ether. And suddenly, you know, Jared Moskowitz is president.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
or even people with that interview in particular, who are big Lex Friedman people, but thought like he went too far in pushing him to say that Russia should get to keep territory that they obviously illegally took. I thought that was, even if it was just for that soundbite, that it was worth the three hours of Zelensky's time to do it.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I want to get to kind of the future of the anti-Trump Republican faction, but quickly, are you pro-Cuomo, anti-Cuomo? Because he, did you see the ad he released?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
the Valentine's Day ad where he's with all of these older women, mostly women of color, talking about how tough it is right now for New Yorkers, that we can always find a way forward, and that the opposite of hate, the four-letter word that matters most is love. I think it was the phraseology.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
A lot of it was hilarious, but I was overwhelmed by Cher. I don't know if you saw these shots of Kevin Costner losing his mind and Billy Crystal watching this 78-year-old woman look like a 30-year-old woman belting out If I Could Turn Back Time, which I think the gays still have possession of. We still have If I Could Turn Back Time.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. But the amount of normie Democrats that I know who don't like Cuomo for a whole host of reasons, whether it's, you know, the sexual harassment charges or even the management charges.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Of COVID and lost people in nursing homes and just really wanted an apology for him that he couldn't get out there, just couldn't muster the strength to say I would have done things a little bit differently, which I think would have gone a tremendously long way. They're like, I could use a competent gangster right now. Like the city is in chaos.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
shitty trouble at this point i hate being on the subway and he feels like when you look at adams on the other side of this and you think i'm not going to go for someone as progressive as like scott stringer that he might be the answer um woof all right uh one more break it's just depressing it is a little depressing um but one more quick break stay with us
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Welcome back. Before we wrap, and we've already been touching on this a little bit, but I want to get into it more deeply with you. There aren't that many Republicans openly pushing back against Trump's agenda these days. Mitch McConnell, for instance, was the lone Republican to vote against confirming Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And Tim, you pointed out on the bulwark that even the Wall Street Journal's editorial board, usually pretty Trump-friendly, finally took a shot at his economic policies today. What do you think is the future for the anti-Trump Republicans in a party that seems like they've given up a bit besides an editorial or two?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
To the internet. And now to the show. And I'm keeping us on time, which is not Scott's strong suit.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I think you did great. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So in today's episode of Raging Moderates, we are discussing Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine, Trump's lifeline to Eric Adams, and the state of anti-Trump Republicans, your specialty. All right, let's get into it. Big moves on the world stage last week.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Do you have any idea about what happened during these confirmations to people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Todd Young in Indiana, or I should say from Indiana, who was really anti-Tulsi, for instance? I mean, is it straight like doxing, threatening you with a primary? Like Bill Cassidy already voted to convict him. So I don't—this idea that—
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
He promised Cassidy to essentially, RFK Jr., to not be who he is, right? And to say, you can be my dad and you can check in on me every day and make sure that I'm not going to do these things when even the CDC site already has information about the flu down. So obviously that's not going to hold up. Like, what level of threatening or trolling was going on to make people like this...
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
lay down and vote for every single one of these nominees.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Trump says he had a highly productive call with Vladimir Putin, claiming that they're now working closely on a Ukraine peace deal. He even floated the idea of a future sit-down with Putin. This all came after Russia released American teacher Mark Fogel, which Trump called a, quote, sign of good faith.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Feels like a very unsafe place to test it out. It's fine.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
They're not bad to your face. I've always found everyone is like, I feel so terrible that I've been calling you the C word online for three years. And I'm like, well, stop doing that. And I'm so nice. Do you want a picture?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Meanwhile, Kiev is on edge after a drone strike hit Chernobyl just days after Zelensky asked the U.S. for more aid. And in Europe, leaders are scrambling. An emergency summit is set for Monday. So that's today. So by tomorrow, you may have an update. Amid fears that Trump's outreach to Russia is leaving them isolated, U.K.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah. unpopular opinion but i don't think that you have to do everything that the voters want like they picked a person who can also think for themselves who broadly represents their interests right and understands their constituency but can think for themselves so if you pick you know one of 15 people that you don't think is unqualified for to kind of lay down your marker in the sand and say
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
your children will be vaccinated or we will not have someone who thinks Assad wasn't really that bad, that that might be good for you long term. But I'm also not running for public office.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Yeah. You're saying that I wasted my dollars on Sarah Gideon?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
No, I have a friend who is a doctor and Loves politics, but isn't in the day-to-day insanity. She'll send me like a New York Times article the day after. And she'll be like, can you believe this? And I'm like, I need to talk to you about how fast the news cycle goes. But she'll regularly send me a link to various Democrats. And she goes, worth my money? I'm like, well, how much money?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Like, if you want to be spreading $10 all over the place, go ahead for it. But Amy McGrath is never going to be the senator that takes Mitch McConnell's seat. Okay, thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you for joining us, Tim, and the Raging Moderates crew. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinene Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
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Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it a once-in-a-generation security moment. Vice President J.D. Vance warned that Russia could face economic and military pressure if it doesn't negotiate in good faith. But in Munich, he took aim at European leaders instead, claiming their real threat isn't Russia or China.
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You can now find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. That's right, its own feed. There, you'll get exclusive interviews with smart voices in politics like our latest guest, Congressman Pat Ryan. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Also, follow Tim in all of Bulwark World. Thank you for being with us. Well, just me. Scott's not here, but he loves you from afar.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
It's their own policies on free speech and refusal to work with hard-right parties in government. Back at home, not much better. The White House is clashing with the press again, this time banning an AP reporter from the Oval Office for refusing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. The AP is now accusing the administration of violating the First Amendment. Let's talk Ukraine first.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
What do you think the game here is? I mean, you can start with Pete Hegseth's maiden voyage, which did not go well, and he's walking things back within 24 hours. But what do you think Rubio and Trump and Vance want for Ukraine?
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Bigger than the Trump coin. It's interesting.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I think that that's how... People can manage it. Well, they just say, OK, we know he's a grifter who does things like this, but it's so much bigger than that. And the trade wasn't publicized at all. It took days for anyone to know if we got if we had to trade anything for Mark Fogel.
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Yeah, I think there was something about shooting values and that you can't do that in Pete's answer. I can't really get to calling him Secretary Hickseth yet. I'm still in Pete mode.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
No, not drinking buddies. We have socialized, but no comment. No, I totally agree with you. And one thing that's been sticking out to me is how quickly... everybody has folded from who they were beforehand. Because at least I was holding on to the idea. I know Mike Waltz really well, the national security advisor. We're in a foreign policy group together.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Marco Rubio has been very clear about his foreign policy views for a long time. And I don't think either of those two would have... ever thought that they would be part of a deal that was going to essentially tell Ukraine, you have no future in NATO and you're never getting back your territory. I mean, even forgetting the pre-2014 lines, even from just a few years ago.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And maybe that speaks to the awesome power of Trump. Maybe that speaks to the new realignment within the Republican Party. But I don't see anyone in positions of power now that are going to be holding on to traditional American views of foreign policy and our role in the world.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
What do you think is the likelihood that Zelensky gets his way? So he was speaking at the Munich Security Council and he said, we need an armed forces of Europe. This is after J.D. Vance essentially took a flamethrower to our relationship with Europe in his speech. Clearly, Zelensky does not see us as the top partner opportunity for For him going forward.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Do you think Europe is really going to unify without us?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Going back to, I guess, we got into ineffective Democrats very early on in the podcast. But I do... Maybe just because I work in communication, I guess, that I always think that there was an opportunity to do better if we had messaged properly about this. And it doesn't feel like we have made the case. This is Democrats and Republicans.