Jessica Tarlov

Welcome to Raging Moderates.

I'm Jessica Tarlow, and I'm so pumped to have Pablo Torre here, the host of Pablo Torre Finds Out.

What is it, three Emmy nominations?

You definitely are, and I am.

To make this intro as splashy as possible, it's so cool to have you here.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a Jew, so I totally understand about the moms that want to talk about all the accolades all the time.

But no, it's really exciting.

I've been, you know, consuming you in a not creepy way for a very long time.

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I want to start off by talking about the blend of your world and my world.

So you do these incredible investigations and the Aspiration one into Steve Ballmer, who owns L.A.

Clippers, former head of Microsoft, richest owner in the league, was paying his star Kawhi Leonard through...

essentially a shell company, to get above the salary cap.

So you got an extra $28 million, I think it was.

And, you know, you really blew the roof off of the story.

Got a lot of ire from the billionaire class, to say the least.

And it feels very similar to what's going on in politics today.

Not only the straight up comp between what Bomber did and how super PACs and dark money works, but also this world in which billionaires seem to get away with whatever they want.

Can you talk a little bit about the relationship between the two worlds?

Yeah.