Jessica Tarlov
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
push back when it needs to be, like on immigration, for instance, with the sending people who shouldn't be in an El Salvadorian prison camp down there. You're going to say something about that. But do you feel like Chuck Schumer is up to the task at this particular moment? And how are you balancing the fact that our party seems to want moderate policies, but also a fighter?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Do you think there is any possibility of that happening? I can't see a gang of eight or a gang of six coming out of this.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Yeah, it does seem like that shift has happened faster than I even expected on how people feel about the economy. So on immigration, that's the only area that Trump has a positive rating on, about 55% approval. His ratings on handling cost of living, inflation, all the things that he told us he was going to fix are tanking quickly.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Yeah, and healthcare is also, it feels like the only bright spot, at least in terms of what Democrats can be talking about, because it's something central to the way everyone lives. Pretty high approval for Obamacare, certainly people like their Medicare and their Medicaid.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
And we're the only ones that seem at this moment like we actually give a fuck about what's going on in people's everyday lives. Which leads me to David Shore's big data dump last week. I know, it's last week too. I know. Well, we're only two months into the administration. Isn't it crazy? It feels like it's been forever.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
But I wanted to get your take on what happened during the election kind of now a few months in. And we have a lot more clarity and we know about the groups that have really separated themselves from the Democratic Party, young voters, Latino voters, young people in general. I should know just not just men, but some women as well, most conservative generation. And.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
You know, what's your kind of postmortem in general? And how do you think we can win some of those voters back, specifically men, which I know has been a big focus for you?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
What you're describing inherently is a willingness to have intra-party fighting and criticism and that that's healthy and that everyone is running their individual races. I think that's also very much the vibe that AOC and Bernie are embodying on this fighting oligarchy tour. Do you think that's the way forward for us to be able to win back people's trust and hopefully more seats?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
I totally agree with you. There is a very simple theme on this, and it can't be focused on the other side without going after one another and these ugly primaries that they're threatening.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
No, that's the mother of a toddler. Sometimes it really feels like the same vibes as when I pick her up at the community center. I wanted to give you the opportunity to talk about your putting veterans first bill.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Yeah. And it also connects on a very important level to what you were talking about with men and talking about men's well-being and that the core of that is being able to have a good, stable job that you can provide for your family.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
I know the rage one always gets people. They're like, I have 50 things to talk about.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
I agree with you. If it's an 80-20 issue and we're on the wrong side of it, maybe we should move on.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Anyway, thank you so much for your time. It was great to talk with you.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Adios.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
That's interesting. So you're focusing on Secretary Hegseth, and it looks like he was the one who was sharing the classified information. But National Security Advisor Mike Waltz was the one, or at least his team, whoever set up the chat that invited in Jeffrey Goldberg. President Trump has expressed confidence in Waltz.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
I know him personally, and he was one of the big relief points for me in the Trump administration, especially when it comes to national security and foreign policy. Do you think there will be any... real repercussions? Do you think Waltz is safe in all of this?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Yeah. I think a lot about what would be happening in normal times. So if this were any other administration and the expectation would be that there would be congressional hearings and inquiries, there would be an FBI investigation, there would be a DOJ inquiry, there would be impeachment proceedings. Do you have any expectation that... any of that might actually happen?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow, and I'm thrilled to have Arizona Senator Ruben Gallego with us. Senator Gallego hasn't been in the Senate long but is already making a splash. He's been holding town halls across rural Arizona where he's been talking about the potential cuts to Medicaid and veterans' benefits and what that could mean for everyday folks.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Yeah, I think that's a really important point because anyone who's been on Signal knows that people go there for private conversations, but also so that the messages can be disappeared, right? That they're 24 hours a week, however much it is. So you think they've been in office for two months. A lot has already gone on. We've been negotiating between Ukraine and Russia.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
We've been negotiating between Hamas and Israel. So what is being hidden from...
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Well, you already said a buzzword of the moment, social security. And I wanted to talk to you about the town halls that you've been holding, because I imagine that the theme has been protecting Americans and also the corruption we're seeing in the administration. So could you talk a bit about what it's like on the ground across Arizona in these town halls?
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
On top of that, he's pushing forward with the Putting Veterans First Act, a bill that aims to help veterans get back into their federal jobs if they lose them. Senator Gallego, it's great to have you on the show.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
It's a big pleasure of mine. I've been waiting a long time in life to be able to talk to you. And I feel like it's the perfect moment on the news of the day front to talk about the Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic piece where the editor-in-chief was invited into the war planning signal chat. I've seen some of the comments you've posted on X, even saying that Secretary Hegseth needs to resign over this.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Do you find that there's a fissure or at least a separation in the way that the folks that you're talking to feel about Donald Trump versus Elon Musk? Because Musk definitely seems from the data to be the vulnerability in the administration versus the president himself.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Can you talk a bit more about how you're feeling and what you're thinking about it?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Donald Trump's been back in office long enough to shock or surprise just about anyone who voted for him at this point, be it the signal scandal or the tariff turnarounds, the Jeanine Pirro of it all, the way he talks about Ozempic.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
On Today Explained, we're asking if any of his voters are experiencing voters remorse, especially those ones who are newer to his winning coalition. Younger voters, black voters, Latin voters. We're heading to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to ask them if regrets. Do they have a few? And just by way of spoiler to get this out of the way, the answer is yes, they do.
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Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Do you feel like the Democrats are meeting the moment? So you're a special test case for our party. You won in a very tough environment for Democrats. Trump won by five points in Arizona. You were able to win. And a few other swing state Senate Democrats were able to pull it off. And you're quite a moderate person. You certainly...
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
I thought Bill Maher was not expecting such an amped-up owl over there.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Please, no more Beto.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Well, it's like, how much money can we light on fire for Beto O'Rourke and Stacey Abrams? And Democrats in Georgia are just praying that she doesn't run again because she can win the primary, but she can't win the general. And we're trying to win general elections. I think we've spent like $400 million in Texas trying to get... you know, far left progressives to win Senate seats there.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And people hate Ted Cruz and still keep voting for him. Like, that's a signal to you of where you are. Like, please pick winnable races and pick candidates that can appeal to people who may have voted for Trump this time in 2024, but could buy what you're selling.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And you look at how John Ossoff is running his campaign for reelection, which is going to be one of the most intense races in the country. And I'm like, do that. Stop with all of this, like, far-left stuff, but also the normalcy argument. And I guess you saw more because you saw Al Gore, but Bret Stephens was making this case for Mana, make America normal again.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And that infuriated me because people don't think that the Biden years were good. They don't think that having a president, they're unclear whether they can do the job as normal. They don't think our college campuses were normal. They don't think Russia invading Ukraine was normal. They don't think October 7th was normal. They don't think that inflation was normal.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
They don't think cost of living through the roof was normal. So a candidate going out there and saying, Mana, you know, let's go back to a time where we were respected on the world stage, not going to work. They're still kind of OK with Trump because he's a chaos agent. And they think that we were so messed up that that's what we need. It has to be change.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And I don't know how a centrist candidate can pull that off because they're going to need to be a rebel and also a calming force. But we got to find that person or that group. I'm still in the Avengers Assemble mode where it can be a bunch of people. But you have to have moderate policies with fire. And Chris Murphy... Feeling that right now. But I don't know if he can be president.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
We can ask him. He's going to become a friend of the pod, which I'm excited about. He's going to come on with us. But I'm upset.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
That's the thing. Yeah, well, our icon feels outdated now. To a lot of people. Like, young people now don't know what it's like to grow up in the Obama years and how exciting hope and change in Yes We Can was. And part of that is they especially don't know what Iraq and Afghanistan and 9-11 felt like. And so how important it was to have a unifying figure like Obama. And we are without...
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
political, cultural icons at this point. You know, we're getting into the territory. We're going to have to explain to younger people about Hillary Clinton. And that even happened at the DNC. It was sweet, but also concerning to me how many young Gen Z women I heard around the arena after Hillary spoke. And I thought she gave one of the best speeches of her career on the first night of the DNC.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And they were like, oh, my God, she's amazing. Did you know that? And, you know, inside my elder millennial feminist is dying. Right. How do you not know how amazing Hillary Clinton is? But our icons are outdated for what's going on here. And we have to lift up the next generation of that.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And I think, you know, whether she wins the election for Michigan Senate or not, like a Mallory McMorrow candidate. It's going to have to fill that void. And you can have the centrist versions, too. I think Alyssa Slotkin will be very exciting for people who want to succeed in politics. We'll see if Lauren Underwood, you know, what she does in the Illinois Senate race, hopefully she gets in there.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
We have to do real solid branding work with the folks that we have and the policies that we have, because you just rattled off a platform that I think a good 60 percent of Americans would get behind. And I'm sure this is the moment in the YouTube comments where it's Scott for Scott 2028. Let's go. But why can't people just organize their thoughts? Why can't you create ideas?
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a proposal plan, or just some basic charts that say education, health care, economy, climate, sex, you know.
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And the case study, you say, Austin, this is what they did. This is how we will replicate it where you live.
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Right. Totally. Like you could even just pull sections out of abundance, frankly, and post them.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
The meta view is that it's a massive failure by certainly by historical standards and looking at the key demographic groups that he was able to swing in his direction as well. He's lost 30 points with young voters. So that was quick. So it's now back to the Biden levels when Biden won in 2020. He has an approval rating of 27 percent with Latino voters. And, you know, things are pretty bleak.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Yeah. So the overarching take is this is part of the plan to... chill opposition and neuter the other branches of government. So we know they have no respect for Congress and they now have no respect for the judiciary, whether you're ignoring a Supreme Court ruling, the Fourth Circuit, or arresting a county judge.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And this judge is accused of helping an undocumented man who has been accused of beating someone, hitting them 30 times. And He sounds like a pretty violent guy. Frankly, this doesn't I have not seen any defense of this that this guy is actually innocent of it. But what the administration says that she did was allow him to exit the side entrance of her courtroom and then escape. And they ended up.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
catching him on foot. So it was a brief foot chase, but he's been arrested. And so they decided that they wanted to make a big show of this because everything with this administration is for the cameras, like all of the raids that we've seen and Kristi Noem wearing her ice Barbie vest and what she was doing down at Seacott, you know, thumbs up in front of everyone in prison there.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And so they wanted to make it a television spectacle. And a lot of people have commented on that aspect of it. There's a very famous Milwaukee defense attorney who weighed in saying, you know, not only do I think that Judge Dugan to be a great judge, but why are you treating her like a common criminal?
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
There is no way that she wouldn't have come downtown to answer your questions, turned herself in, etc. And she's going to be back in court, I think, May 15th. to have further discussion about the charges against her. But you have Pam Bondi, the attorney general, on TV saying, we will come after you and we will prosecute you. We will find you.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
You have Kash Patel, the head of the FBI, who had an enemies list, which was published in his book that came out a few years ago. And this was something he had to work really hard against in his confirmation hearings. Say, I'm not that guy. You know, what I wrote doesn't reflect who I am. It's exactly who he is. And you can see that plain and simple.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
There were four major news outlet polls that came out over the weekend, and the headlines were all basically the same. Trump approval sinks as Americans criticize his major policies, lower than any president in seven decades. Americans vent disappointment with Trump. Trump's first hundred days seen as bringing big changes, but still too much focus on tariffs.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
So while I think that this seems like this guy was a bad guy and I'd encourage everyone, if you can, to read about it. It seems really boring, but there are actual accounts of how the courtroom is built and how the doors work and how many officials there actually were there from ICE, from the FBI, DEA agents, etc.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And there are people who are defending Judge Dugan just saying, actually, the door that he went out, there were agents standing on the other side of it. She didn't, like— cover him in a blanket and hide him in her purse and then walk out a door and release him out into the open, that if the agents had been paying attention, they would have picked him up right outside the door.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And, you know, that's neither here nor there. But I know that it is a very bad sign when the government is arresting members of the judiciary. They want no opposition. They want to steamroll absolutely everyone here.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And it feels like that moment is even starker than it was last week when we talked about it, where we need everybody to band together in a peaceful civic uprising against this, whether you're part of big academic universities, big law corporations, advocates, lawyers. People who work for the government even just to say this is not how we do business in America.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And part of that is cooperating with ICE where it makes sense. And I always bring that up and I hate to be the Debbie Downer about it, but there are a bunch of blue city mayors who are saying no matter what, I'm not cooperating with you. You have to turn over criminals so they can be deported. That's how you have a nation of laws and that you have law and order here.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
But it does not seem like this show of arresting this judge fits into that category.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
It sounds like he was a bad hombre, to be clear.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
And I'm not sure if everything would be hunky-dory if you weren't doing the tariff business, but you can certainly look at that as the major sinking force in terms of his approval and the overall feelings about this administration and what it's been able to do. You know, they're failing on cost of living, inflation, tariffs, the economy writ large.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
He's pretty inspirational.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
I think that Trump is such a classic love-the-one-you're-with person that it's a good thing that he was with Zelensky, especially because the last time they were together, it went so poorly. Most of that because of the other people in the room and the cameras and... The stress of that for Trump and J.D. Vance was obviously poking the bear with the lecture that he was giving him.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
But I was genuinely relieved to see the still shot of Trump and Zelensky sitting in those chairs talking to each other. And it feels like good progress from last week where Rubio... And J.D.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Vance had a positive comment as well, but Rubio is meeting with Ukrainian officials and our European allies versus meeting with Russian officials and Mideast partners who are not nearly as invested in a free Ukraine and ending this war without us having... To tell the Ukrainians, oh, sorry, no big deal.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Did you need 30 percent of your country, 40 percent of country, whatever it is that Putin's asking for it. So I think it's a positive development. Trump was positive afterwards as well. And Zelensky said the same on social media. I'm sure the rare earth minerals deal is still one of the most important linchpins in all of this. But every time.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
Trump has the opportunity to be adulated and to be welcomed into the global community in a positive way. He likes that. And so I think that we really need to massage this into the coziest environment possible for Trump so that he stays on the side of the Ukrainians and really gives the middle finger to Putin, who has...
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
made no compromise, has violated every ceasefire, but has made no compromises whatsoever from his original points about what he wanted as an outcome of this war. So, yeah. That's my view.
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Consistently, though, still positive views on border security. The crossings are down to basically nobody. I mean, we have reporters, Fox reporters who are at the border and they barely see anyone versus at peak, you know, with the 250,000 people that were streaming across the border on a monthly basis. So our drones are lonely. They're looking for something and can't find it.
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But for the first time, this happened last week, he's now underwater in terms of immigration in general. And that's where Democrats really see the opportunity. So positive view. On deportations, people still want to get these folks out of the country.
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You have a surplus of good haircuts.
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Well, they're not. And that's confirmed when people get asked this question over and over again. And I do think that the Oval Office meeting with Zelensky will be looked back upon as a pivotal moment in this administration in the negative direction, not quite as bad as the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. But people really didn't like that.
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But I think the personal stories, like the Abrego Garcias of the world, the big one from the weekend was three American citizen children age two, four, and seven were deported with their mothers. The four-year-old has a rare form of cancer and was deported without treatment. And the mother was given the option to leave them Or to take them to two different families.
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Even the most hardcore Trump supporters did not feel like it had to go in that direction. And they thought that Zelensky could have been more solicitous and, you know, tried to deescalate a bit, but in general, uncomfortable with that. But that's the case that you've been discussing for months now.
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I mean, since we've been doing this podcast, that no one has made the proper appeal to the American public. Even if you don't care about the post-World War II order protecting democracy, just make an economic argument about how this is good for us and that you're making money on off of being able to equip Ukrainians with the weapons that they need to possibly be able to finish off this war.
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And you're totally right about the blood sugar and, you know, the latest, the last person that he was with or the person who gives him the most compliments. But an important aspect of it as well is how obsessed this administration is with being able to say that they have finished something. Even if it's done completely technically, Terribly. If they can just say, we solved this.
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Like you see it even with the trade deals. Scott Bassett was on with Martha Raddatz and she says, well, what's the status of, you know, Trump says we have 200 trade deals that are going to be done. He goes, well, I think they're talking about, he's talking about sub deals. which is basically nothing, right?
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That he's, you know, been walking around and saying, wouldn't it be nice if we had a deal with India? And then, poof, they're like, oh, we're on the precipice of a deal with India. Did you see also, by the way, that Apple has said that they could just start making the phones in India? So it's not like as if this is actually going to come back to America.
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Trump’s 100 Days of Power Grabs
They're just going to find somewhere else cheap to be able to do it. But because the administration is obsessed with the finish line and being able to say, mission accomplished, which obviously didn't work out that well for George Bush, that They just will get to an end no matter the quality of it. And I think that's what Putin understands and that he could be the main beneficiary of this.
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Because if they're wanting to put an end date on this, then that's going to work in his favor. Ukraine is happy to play the long game with this. Russia can't. They don't have the manpower for it. They can't take the economic advantage. destruction that's happening for that long, even if they are exempt from these tariffs. And so the faster it goes, the better it works. for Putin.
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And that's in Trump's interest because he wants to say, signed, sealed, and delivered. Here's the pretty bow. You know, we solved the Ukrainian-Russian conflict.
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I'm talking about the kid with cancer, but also wasn't allowed to speak with their lawyer. And Tom Homan had to do a morning press conference. I don't know if you saw this. He's out there with Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, saying this is parenting 101. You know, you would have accused us of family separation.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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And strategist, because our closest allies now are just going to go make their own deals with China. I'm sure you saw that, that Japan is like, all right, well, we're going to have to go it alone here, basically, at this point. Yeah. And I mean, the Chinese trolling Trump is entertaining, but knowing what we know about him and what Peter Navarro has done for this administration is
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I kind of believed them when they said, no, there's not some secret backdoor deal and we're going to, you know, pop up next week and say everything is fine and you'll still be able to get your, you know, your towels for a dollar off Shein. Like, this isn't happening and we're going to figure out an alternative route to making sure that we continue to make money.
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And you guys have got to sort it out and just look at that, you know, that light up image of where all the shipping containers are and how they're not getting here. So second half of May, prepare for your empty shelves. and then the world's worst Christmas coming.
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If we had kept the kid and sent the mom home, even though the father wanted them to stay here, and you know that they're sweating it. They've lined the White House lawn with posters with pictures of undocumented people who have committed crimes here with a big stamp, right, that says deported, deported, deported, arrested, deported.
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On islands made up of penguins.
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In the positive category, I just want to say, and as evidence of this working, the Marriott CEO who defended DEI got 40,000 emails from associates in support of it.
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I didn't know about Costco. So there you go.
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In process. It was very clear from a number of the acceptance speeches, most notably Alex Thompson from Axios, who got a big award for his coverage of Biden's decline, that the press is doing some incredible work at home and abroad, but there's a lot more to do. And this lack of trust is Thank you so much for having me. take ownership over their coverage through the Biden years.
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And a lot on the left are criticizing Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper and people who are writing these kind of expose books about the Biden years saying, you know, you're aiding and abetting an authoritarian regime by doing this and you're just giving the other side fodder to come and attack us. But I do think that it's important that
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people in the media are self-reflective and open about their own biases and mistakes that they have made or could have made in their coverage. And I think that that is moving in the right direction. But it was a super somber event. You know, canceling the comedian, I thought, was the right decision. But
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You know, you look at that room and it just it feels like we have a lot of incredible people that are doing groundbreaking work, but also that everything is so bleak and that I don't know how we'll be able to get back to a time where the presidency and the press corps and the consuming public are actually on the same page and have respect for one another.
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And they're in massive fix-it PR mode because it's sinking into people that while they may be in favor of deporting people who have convicted crimes here, that that's not what they're actually getting. And if you look at the numbers, they are deporting people, less people on a monthly basis than they were at the end of the Biden administration. And I think they're completely frantic about that.
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Yeah, it was really moving. It almost makes me positive on organized religion. And the Pope, at a number of junctures throughout his tenure, has made me rethink my kind of aversion to organized religion, setting aside all of the terrible things that have gone on within the Catholic Church. But I'm generally... pretty anti-religion, you know, very standard reformed Jew that does the high holidays.
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I think if more religious leaders were like that and spoke like that about humanity and the inherent connections between us, that we would all be a lot better off and people would be part of these communities and it would save them in all sorts of ways, not just in a hospital bed, but in your daily life to have people that you can go and pray with and commune with and share meals with and play pickup basketball with and whatever else they get from those kinds of groups.
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And I know that he was not a traditional pope and that he was very forward thinking. And I guess because it aligned with my politics, I was always comfortable with it. And I thought, how can you be criticizing this guy who's just saying be decent to immigrants and treat trans kids like human beings and love one another?
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And if you're LGBTQ+, you know, I'm happy for you to get married the same way as a man and a woman. But he revolutionized the papacy, and it'll be really interesting to see who comes next and what kind of tradition they fall into. I guess we'll know they'll do it in like 10 to 15 days from now. We'll see the plume of smoke coming up, right? And they will have selected the next pope.
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Sweltering by London standards.
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But he, I don't know, he felt like a complete global treasure. I don't know, this non-religious person felt impacted by him. And that's not easy to do.
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Like you're back in America.
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I was alone with my daughters. My husband went to the West Coast for a concert. So I was hashtag single mom.
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He went to see Phish at the Hollywood Bowl.
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Yeah, I have in my notes the stupidity and the cruelty. are the dominant descriptors that people are talking about with this administration. They can't make sense of the economic policy, and it genuinely feels like he's always wanted tariffs or liked tariffs, and he went out and found the only economist to get behind it, so Peter Navarro, and now you have that person elevated.
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No, I mean, he's listening. So honey, yes, I do think you're cool. He's a deadhead who will go to Phish concerts, but he's not a big Phish person. And I think they rated Phish three out of 10, but 10 out of 10 for the venue. They're venue chasers, him and his friends from growing up.
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to a dangerous position, so much so that all of these smart CEOs, economists, consultants, all of them are just trying to get on TV to talk about the damage that this is doing because they know that that's the only way to actually connect with him. Like, if Trump didn't see a clip of it, it's like it didn't happen.
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And so that's why you have Gary Cohn on the Sunday morning show circuit, Jamie Dimon giving these interviews. I'm sure you saw Ken Griffin from the end of the week talking about how the U.S. is 20 percent poorer because of Trump and that the American brand is in crisis. Trump thinks about anything. He thinks about brands and he thinks of himself as a brand.
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You are right, though, about how significant the direction that we're moving in is to voters and to Trump. And that is still what's going on on immigration. And part of that is Democrats' fault. We broke it to such an extreme degree that people are willing to tolerate a level of stupidity and cruelty and chaos to get us back on the right track.
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And I was struck by one particular finding out of the ABC Washington Post poll. So all of this terrible stuff for Trump, you know, approval rating and high 30s, low 40s. But still, he's seen as more in touch with people's concerns than the Democrats. 69% say the Democrats are out of touch. Only 60% say that about Trump.
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We know that independent voters, even though he has strong disapproval, are not regretting their votes. So they're pissed off. They're saying on the generic ballot that they're going to vote for Democrats in 2026. So great. Maybe we'll have a great midterms. I'm hopeful about that. But we've got a long way to go until we get to that point. And
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There was an interesting juxtaposition I saw between Chuck Schumer, who gave this interview to Dana Bash. And I basically wanted to kill myself watching him because she says they're talking about academic freedom and Harvard. And she said, you know, what's your response? And he said, we sent him a very strong letter just the other day asking eight very strong questions.
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What in God's name is that?
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As if Trump opens his mail. was probably so overjoyed seeing that. He wasn't at church, so he was probably watching the Sunday shows. And to see Chuck Schumer have that kind of response, he just probably said, we got them. They're completely limp. This is so pathetic. And he's right.
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And then in contrast, and I'm curious for our plan to have someone just start running, maybe it's you, but if it's not you, what do you think about J.B. Pritzker? Because he was in New Hampshire over the weekend and he's got that real cool billionaire bravado, right? He feels very secure about professional success. His partner and his family.
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Yeah, I think that's a great way to live if you can do it. And restaurants, it's always nice too.
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He feels very secure about what he has done for Illinois. And I loved having him on the podcast. I thought that he was great. But he said Republicans cannot know a moment of peace. Their portraits will one day be put in museums reserved for tyrants and traitors.
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He also said that Democrats are guilty of listening to do-nothing political types who would tell us the House is not on fire even as the flames are licking their faces. And he also went after Democrats who wanted to blame our losses on Black people or talking about trans issues or immigrants too much instead of their own lack of guts and gumption.
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And when I was listening to him, A, thinking, oh, maybe you're running for president because you're in New Hampshire doing this and that's not necessarily, you know, right around the corner. from your penthouse in Chicago. He's probably in Springfield most of the time. But I thought this is the vibe that people want to see. And they want to see Democrats also calling out other Democrats.
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Not that we should have a civil war, but they want that fire. The imagery of the flames licking their faces really, I don't know, it sat with me.
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We're working on it. I mean, you take what you can get.
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I watched all three hours of him on the Flagrant podcast.
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The Grateful Dead show at the Sphere is unbelievable.
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And I'm Jessica Tarloff.
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I'm reading the same note. What would you like to banter about?
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What did you do this weekend? How fantastic was it?
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So a couple of things. Democrats said all the stuff that you just said before the election for months and voters turned up and said, I don't care. Right. So I care. Millions of people do care. But the pivotal number that seven million people who voted for Biden in 2020 sat home in 2024. That's how little they cared about what you're just talking about. AOC is out there.
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Amazing.
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She posted before the inauguration, you know, people are asking me why I'm not going to inauguration and I'm not going to the inauguration of a rapist, to use the term that you use, though I know there's a legal conversation about that. I'm not looking to have a defamation suit. So AOC is saying stuff like that. She was on Jon Stewart's podcast talking a lot like you were just now.
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But I feel like for someone like Hakeem Jeffries, who is a very unifying leader, he is trying to figure out, as Nancy Pelosi had to for years— how to manage a caucus that is being pulled in many different directions. Because the difference between what goes on for a safe seat Democrat and a swing seat Democrat is like night and day.
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And we're going to have Congressman Tom Suozzi on for an interview later in the week. Talk to him about this because he's from a swing district. And he was one of the first people out there saying, these are the issues I'll be able to compromise on. We've got to work together like the Lake and Riley Act for immigration.
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And I'm definitely looking forward to pushing him about the parts of that bill that are definitely not good, right, in terms of not protecting dreamers and minors. But obviously... You can't affect any change if you're not in office. And if these people want to continue to be reelected so they can even make incremental progress, they're going to have to work with the other side to some degree.
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It's something like 83% of the American public wants the two sides to work together. And that's why I think going back to...
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the executive orders and kind of the beginnings of this like it is important to look at the list of things and to say this is stuff that I kind of understand right like if you want to call a national emergency on the southern border if you want to put more resources down there I can get on board with that I completely understand it all the people who live along the border would tell you that's exactly the kind of conditions that they're living in but the stuff that
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you have to figure out a way to effectively hold the line, not just rail about it or post about it. You know, he's basically undoing the entire asylum system. I was watching Tom Holman. He was being interviewed about, you know, what happens now to all the people who had their Customs and Border Patrol appointments canceled because they got rid of the CBP One app.
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And he said, well, go to a port of entry. And The whole point was that you don't want people showing up at port of entries. I mean, there are tens of thousands of people who have been waiting in Mexico some upwards of a year to do this the legal way, also completely forgetting the fact that people who are here illegally do have rights.
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That is enshrined in our Constitution, that they have a right to legal counsel, that they have a right to due process. And the DOJ has new directives. This is one that— I thought, this can't be real, where they're now telling legal service providers who get federal funding not to do their jobs, not to help these immigrants that are here who might have a completely legitimate asylum claim.
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I already mentioned... The DEI offices in the Fairfax County. Sorry, I said Loudoun County before it's Fairfax County. So that's obviously bad. But then you sprint ahead. Did you see this, that the Department of Defense, because they took down all of their DEI stuff, removed promotional video material about the Tuskegee Airmen?
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Yeah, the WASPs, which is such a great name for it. And it was Katie Britt from at the center from Alabama who tweeted, oh, this must be a mistake. And within a couple of hours, the new defense secretary, Pete Hegsteth, was like, you know, I've fixed it. But that feels like one of those circumstances where they were trying it on. Right.
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They thought, well, we could just go ahead and get rid of these things. And if someone catches us, so what? You know, we'll put it back up.
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And we're dominating the cycle no matter what, because, you know, all news is good news or all press is good press, I guess. And that's something that's a credo that Trump has lived by forever. There's also just such a lack of expertise and willingness to want to do the work. Right.
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They want to eliminate things en masse and not spend the time going through and actually looking at what the relevance is like, you know. purging the government of any of those checks. They got rid of, I think, 17 inspector generals over 12 huge bureaucracies, right?
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These are things that used to piss off storied members of the Senate, like Chuck Grassley lost his mind in 2020 when Trump got rid of two IGs. Now 17 have been removed. Did you see this communication freeze for the NIH and the CDC, like in the midst of bird flu? They can't tell people what's going on with something. Yeah, exactly. And the foreign aid freeze is just totally frightening.
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That lasts until high school?
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Yeah, to back up your point that I think it's crazy that we had his whole transition knowing exactly who he is, what he's going to do. He's telegraphing it every day and that we showed up on January 20th at inauguration and did not have a solid message or a plan for countering this.
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That's a major declaration. I don't know if it's necessarily wrong. I think the right attitude, like Congressman Golden's team has said, we're not going to respond to everything that Trump does because you can't live in the midst of an outrage cycle constantly. But if we just take it on the chin constantly, I could see voters showing up again in 2026 and just saying, well, what are you about?
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I still have absolutely no idea. So Hakeem Jeffries really wants to focus in on cost of living issues and And the Republicans have put forward all these EOs. They have a bill about banning transgender people from athletics, but they don't have a cost of living bill. And J.D.
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Vance was on with Marge Brennan over the weekend and said, well, it takes time to bring prices down when they had told us it would happen on day one. So I think you have to keep hammering that. But you also need to have a personality and be able to go on a long-form podcast and chill with people and talk about other things besides politics. And I'm not seeing that.
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from that many key players in the Democratic Party. Most people, myself included, thought Biden went too far with his preemptive pardons, but he may be vindicated in that in the long term, you know, that these are ruthless people who have said in public forums that they're going to come after these folks and that that was actually the right thing to do.
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I mean, that's a Mitch McConnell move, right? It's not a traditional Joe Biden move to go for the absolute worst-case scenario. So, you know... I hope that if Kash Patel gets confirmed, and it looks like he will because it looks like everybody will, maybe not Tulsi, that he isn't as punitive and as motivated by retribution as he details in his book. But who knows?
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And I wanted to add to what you were saying about young people. I was talking to a friend of mine recently, whose brother is 30 years old, went on a bachelor party, 13 guys, 10 of 13 voted for Trump. And these were all liberal-minded guys that went to university together.
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And what we were discussing that I found so interesting, and it links also to the discussion about what's going on with higher education, is that we just are seeing now amongst young people a new definition of what sounds smart. So it used to be, you know, all of your degrees, your level of credibility was directly connected to how fancy the school you went to was, right?
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Like what kind of job you had, you know, how that you knew which fork went with which, right? Like going back to the pretty woman scene, right? Slippery little suckers, right? Like that was what low class looked like. And high class looks like someone who dedicates their life to public service, but also has a trust fund that they're relying on and went to Harvard for everything.
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And now the people that are revered or that folks think are smart are the ones who are asking questions incessantly. And it doesn't matter what they're questioning. Like, well, I'm just asking questions, right, about the measles vaccine or fluoride in the water or whatever it is that day. And the right has...
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Oh, it looks amazing.
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Weaponize that against us to an incredible advantage because all of these young people who are smart and very well educated now think that it is cool and forward thinking and what they want to see in leadership for people to not actually know the answers to questions. And I don't know how you rectify that. Because, you know, I talk to my toddler and she's asking questions all the time, right?
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Like, but why, mom? Mommy, why? Why do we do this? Why are you going here? Why do I have to brush my teeth? Why do I have to make my bed? And then you fast forward to where she'll be in 25, 30 years, let's say. Is she going to think Joe Rogan is the smartest person in the world because he's just asking questions? I mean, even Lex Friedman.
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someone who's a very traditionally smart person, right, in terms of education and productivity, is just asking questions, like asking Zelensky, why don't you just give up your country? And that's what passes now as the folks that we should be looking up to.
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And that's leading to a set of government officials who are also doing that same thing, who are just flooding the zone with wild questions that then leave them with this route that they can go through to throw all of this administrative shit at the wall. And we're ending up with a government that I'm sure will be in complete crisis in a matter of months.
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Well, I went to a three-year-old's birthday party on Saturday morning. There was cake, funfetti flavor, which is my favorite.
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Well, what's going on is, I mean, you saw Pete Hegsass go through, so there were three no votes on that. It was quite clear that Senator Tillis did want to vote against him because he required Hegsass to write a letter to him answering specific questions about... accusations of abuse against his second wife. There was a big New York Times piece about this.
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And you can see even on Joni Ernst's face that she didn't want to do this. But when you're threatened with a primary and probably with violence, knowing how the internet works, you do those things. The reason that I say that I think it's possible Tulsi doesn't get confirmed, Lindsey Graham over the weekend wouldn't answer, right, on how he was voting on it. And I feel like if there is anyone
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who's not going to get through. It's the one that people are being the quietest about. And no one really talks about Tulsi Gabbard. They're talking about the other ones. I think it's feasible that Republicans decide that RFK Jr. is not actually a threat to vaccines or whatever and let him through. But it seems like they're advertising having good meetings with Kash Patel.
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And I haven't seen, you know, one thumbs up MAGA post with people standing with Tulsi Gabbard. but I'm prepared for all of it to get through.
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Profiles encourage, though, right, that you're doing it and then nothing really to show for it. But, you know, I guess I appreciate it anyway.
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Well, I think both of those types classify as rich people. Because if you can rent a place for your toddler's birthday. They did it at their building, actually. And I don't... I don't know what they earned, so I can't comment on that. But it was a lovely party. And then Saturday night, we went out to dinner with three other couples, which was very lively. A lot of fun.
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Right now, I don't, you know, who knows? But it looks likely. And people seem to be thinking that Donald Trump is entitled to whatever he wants in terms of a cabinet. And usually people do get what they want. There have been cases where it hasn't happened. But...
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They strong arm everyone and they have this fleet of people online just threatening anyone who opposes them, including, you know, members of their family will do things like that, whether that is a sitting elected representative or the president of another country like this game that went on with the Colombians. About using military planes versus the regular detention planes.
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I mean, first of all, it costs three times more. They can get up to $852,000 to send back migrants on these C-130s, I think, or C-17s.
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And so it's just like a huge, it's all the show. And CNN was reporting this morning that they want all of the ICE agents to be wearing their vests and for this to be made for TV. Because we're in the Truman Show, but like a really bad version.
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Well, first, the fact that we're talking about this is your fault because you made me a comments monster. And I went and looked at what people were saying, and there's a lot of positive stuff.
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I stay up later than everyone in my household, so I could spend a good amount of time comments doom scrolling. But seeing a lot of this, like this is not what a moderate means. And I am completely willing to accept that, A, a moderate means different things to different people. And that also I think of myself as a liberal moderate. not someone who is a swing voter at this point.
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And most people who advertise that are lying because there's usually a crucial issue that puts you into one camp or the other. For a lot of people, it's whether you're pro-choice or pro-life. And as a pro-choice person, I would be hard-pressed to support a candidate that was pro-life.
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But I guess I wanted to talk about this because I think what we share and why we wanted to do this specific podcast together under this name is because we want to talk about politics through the framework of pragmatism, not just optimism or what we want to happen. And that it's important to have political discussions that are cognizant of the guardrails of the way government actually operates.
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And also, I think most crucially, understanding that the framework of a partisan worldview is not how the general populace operates. And the 2024 results were so indicative of that transformation that people are not interested in backing a team in the same way. If anything, they're backing Trump because they back that player. Right?
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Like, that's their favorite football player or their favorite basketball player or whatever sport they're into. And... I think that being a moderate right now is trying, as per our earlier discussion, to see the good in what the other side may be bringing to the table and saying, like, sure, that works for me.
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We were trying out a new babysitter. It seemed to go okay. The toddler, by the end, said, I liked new babysitter. So, great. But it was nice to go out. You know how you usually are out with one other couple? But being out with three other couples... You know, tons of conversations going on. We had a nice time, but, you know, like home by 930, asleep by 10, the usual.
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And also I have constituents or I have people that I know who absolutely feel that way, recognizing the faults of the party that we both belong to and then trying to find a way to constructively and effectively push back Where we need to. And that's how I see it right now. How do you see it? Even though you said earlier you're non-moderate. So the podcast is over.
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And two... There was a lot of drinking and a discussion about how one person thinks that their partner drinks too much, which... And makes company.
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No, I think that's the right story. And I think that there's so much pressure to always be a good soldier. I certainly feel this in my role, you know, being part of the conservative media ecosystem, that there are liberals who get enraged if I even say, well, this doesn't make a ton of sense or this is an issue that 70 percent of Americans agree on. Like, why can't that just be our position?
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It seems pretty normal. Like, you know, the, what was it, Prop 36 on the California ballot, making it not okay to shoplift up to $950 without getting arrested. Like, these are just obvious things, right? And you should be able to have opinions about them without people flipping out on you.
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But I do think a critical component of how we approach politics and how people who are governing more in the middle do is that they fundamentally understand that it's not the intentions that matter, it's the outcomes that matter. And we just had an enormous outcomes election where people said that governance in blue cities and states
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Yeah. I asked to be excluded from the conversation because also I barely drink. I'm... I'm a lightweight and I guess not that fun. And so I'm always very uncomfortable with those conversations.
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is not meeting the moment, far from it, that riding the subway is not a good option anymore, that we don't support law enforcement, that we have people who are incompetent, perhaps corrupt, in big positions of power, and that we are not living up to the covenant
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that our elected officials make with the people who send them there and that we're actually failing ourselves when it comes to our values because of how poor that governance has gotten. And that's really crucial to how I think about politics and how I think about my advocacy for policies that I think will improve quality of life. And more often than not,
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those policies are linked to more liberal legislators or people who see the world through a similar prism to me. But I am completely open to the fact that there are good representatives from the other side of the aisle that also live by those ideals or certainly can meet us somewhere in the middle to get something good done. And I remember when
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the Democrats were funding MAGA candidates to run against moderate Republicans. And I understood it from a, you know, we got to win perspective. But It was upsetting to me that good people like Peter Mayer in Michigan lost his seat because we put in tons of money to back a crazy person that would then go on to lose to the Democrat.
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And I think that those are the kinds of things that we need to explore because we're only going to have a healthy political system if we do have... to thriving parties, right, that are full of people that actually capture the cultural and political zeitgeist of the country. And the extremes on both sides are wildly dangerous. I think that the right, more dangerous than the left.
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But when you look at what people... think and how they're talking about the issues, you know that the Marjorie Taylor Greene's of the world are not appealing to the general population writ large and that for some like the Ilhan Omar's or the Rashida Tlaib's of the world are not appealing to them either. And so I think
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It's important to be trying to stake out ground, to have these discussions about it, to bring people on from the other side of the aisle or people who work regularly with Republicans so that we can hear about how progress can actually be made. Because they're the ones—we can talk all we want from our studios, but they're the ones actually casting the votes.
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For all of this and hopefully making a big difference in people's lives.
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That's an understatement.
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Well, I do personally, but I don't remember. I grew up here and have ridden the subway my whole life. The number of people being thrown in front of cars, being punched, slashed, a woman burned on the F train. That's not normal. Oh, things happen every once in a while. And Kathy Hochul is definitely getting the message because of Richie Torres. But it's bad.
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Well, crime is down, but those are also to the point about the messaging of this. If they feel less safe and you come at them with a bunch of statistics, it doesn't matter.
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You too, Scott.
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hot girl 20s and 30s and they go ape shit so anyways you got that coming you got that coming oh well that sounds like fun because i yeah i'm definitely not doing any of that at this point well it's hard you know what are you gonna do i every once in a while i have a lot of good friends because i you have a second glass of chardonnay is that when you no i'm not wait i i have one drink also i only drink
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Tito's grapefruit and soda.
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Great banter. I loved it.
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that there's a lot. That's the point, right? We're so quickly back to where we left Trump 1.0, which is I'm going to throw everything at the wall and just see what sticks. And it feels as though we have a bunch of angry teens that are in charge of the government, right? Trying everything, pushing boundaries, waiting for someone to slap them on the wrist to push back.
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Maybe that comes from, you know, part of the internal caucus. We'll talk about that later on with some of the DEI initiatives that they scaled back, but like waiting for the courts to come and get them, you know, hoping that they just can skate through with some of this stuff.
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I feel there's an overwhelming sense of manufactured chaos to everything and that we are living in the midst of, you would know better than me, if it is in fact the biggest branding exercise ever,
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But this golden age of America, and he has lots of social media spots about it out there on all of his channels, it feels like he's just going full steam ahead with this social media-driven approach to governance, loyalty tests. Everything that he left on the table from the first time around, he's picking it up and doing it to the nth degree, if he can get away with it.
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And he's just calling our bluff, right? Just saying, well, come and get me, right? So that's my feeling writ large about what's gone on so far. What about you?
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Great. We'll just end the podcast right now.
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With live Iranian threats to their lives. I mean, if you have Tom Cotton, maybe the hero in all of this, which is frightening to me.
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Well, he definitely wants one on January 6th. Oh, no, it was Josh Hawley, who was running away like a little girl. No offense to little girls. Some of it is just petty. Some of it is the revenge tour. Some of it I do think is rooted in a genuine ideology, but then it's always taken one step further. And I've been thinking about this notion of...
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what is the kernel of truth that gets us to the crazy place that we've ended up, right? Because a lot of what's going on right now, I believe, is Democrats' fault, right? Like, we walked into very specific traps. And so we ended up with people telling us, essentially, I want a bloodless revolution, right? I want the establishment so far away that I can't even see Nancy Pelosi.
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All of this makes me sick. And I would rather take a flyer on the chaos agent than have someone... who is routine and boring and also is afraid to say things that are common sense, like the thing that's right in front of you. So if we look at with the DEI revolution that's going on now, that comes from
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you know, after the murder of George Floyd that companies just added, you know, 50 to 100 DEI employees. It was crazy. I was looking at data from Loudoun County, Virginia. They have a DEI office that they're spending enough on it that they could hire 125 new teachers. if they took that money and did that.
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They have to go to college, even though higher ed is such a disaster.
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Obviously, a parent in that district is going to say, I would rather have new teachers than have dozens of employees in the DEI office. For instance, on the trans issue, we talk about this regularly.
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If you're going to say that it's fine for Leah Thomas to compete at the collegiate level, people are going to think that you are insane on trans issues, and then they're going to pick someone who's going to overcorrect and take away protections for trans people. On immigration, if you're going to say the border is secure,
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People are going to look at you like you're a lunatic, especially once migrants are getting bused to northeastern liberal cities and they're understanding the implications of how El Paso, Texas has been living. And we're going to have the overcorrection and we're going to see stuff like this. Like the... I don't even want to call it a rise in deportations.
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I find it fascinating, and this goes to the social media presidency or just who has the best branding exercise of this, because they're out there saying promises made, promises kept. We deported 310 undocumented people or illegals, they would say. I would say undocumented because I'm polite. And Biden was deporting—sometimes it got over 400 people per day.
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I think on average, he was at 310 per day. But the Democrats never talked about anything that they were doing. And that's the difference in this. If you leave people in the dark about what your administration is actually doing—and I'm talking about the stuff that matters to them, not the stuff that feels ancillary or for show— They're going to pick the other person.
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And now people are running around saying, oh, well, Donald Trump is the toughest on immigration. No, actually, Barack Obama was the toughest on immigration. And we have been deporting a lot of people. People don't know that border crossings are down 55 percent at the end of the Biden administration after, obviously, a huge surge in the beginning. So we need a new digital strategist.
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That's for sure. The next time around that we do this. And I don't know, have you listened to any of Chris Hayes's interviews about his new book about attention and the attention economy?
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We're not supposed to tell them that.
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No, he didn't. No, I... He didn't discover it, but he's talking about it in context of recent outcomes and this race just to be the first person to say something that someone sees on their phone and how meaningful that is for that. And I cannot think of an instance where Democrats were the first people to be able to say something. It's always the Republicans and usually it's Trump.
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embarrassed to be a PhD holder myself, but we'll pretend that I'm not for the rest of this podcast.
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You mentioned education, the classroom, and that's why you ran to be the mayor of Chicago. And I've been disturbed by how Democrats have lost their edge in handling all of the most important issues to Americans. I think we're only still up on... climate change and abortion, and only just barely now at this point.
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And one of the biggest losses, I think, is that parents in this country don't trust us to handle their children's education. And I'm curious as to what you think are some good policies that we could stand behind that would reaffirm people's trust in us on that particular issue, and also what we can do about the
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awesome and not in the necessarily positive way, but just in the huge way, the power of the teachers unions when, you know, an average person knows who Randy Weingarten is, that that's a problem for the party, especially considering what went on during COVID.
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So you're talking like somebody that has a plan or at least some plans that we should be thinking about for the future of the party, for the country and all of us. And you've joked that you're in training for 2028, but you don't know if you'll make the Olympics. What does that training look like for you? Are you thinking about running for president?
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Are you thinking about running for governor if Pritzker takes the plunge himself?
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I just quickly want to say, you mentioned, you know, I'm not putting this on President Trump. I'm not. No, no, I get that. But there are a lot of people who would argue that it's actually our party that has allowed the green light to anti-Semitism. And he was chanting free Palestine. He was part of a leftist organization and college protests. No, I know.
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I personally don't disagree with you, and I've just been disappointed, I guess, in how life has been handled since October 7th.
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Yeah, I like knowing that white and medium are your safe words. So now we know that. Before we get to the reconciliation package, I just wanted to add on to what you were saying, Scott, about President Biden and, you know, the extension of what original sin is uncovered. And there are already four books, right, that are coming out about reconciliation.
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quote-unquote cover-up in the White House is that we have this enormous trust deficit with the American people. And they're skeptical of politicians in general, but it has never been so bleak for Democrats in comparison to the Republican Party. And I'm curious, as someone with great political instincts and
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having been successful in many arenas of politics, how you think Democrats can deal with that? Because it feels very much to me and Scott that we are going about business as usual in extraordinary times and that we need an extraordinary solution to the challenges that we're facing.
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They told us over and over he's too old.
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Right.
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What do we do about that? We've heard it in every kind of denomination. They're crazy, but we're preachy. They look down on us. Why are you on the wrong side of a 70-30 issue? Fix us, Rom.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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I like that. It's easy and digestible. And we suffer from being too loquacious as a party.
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The same place I always am. I'm at home in New York. Yeah. Well, actually at the Vox studio. So I'm in the financial business.
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Up and down, I guess. Linda McMahon, that's a tough one. She was in the first administration. She was definitely going to be somewhere here. She lied about having an education degree, which I feel like is a big lie if you're going to go be... the head of the Department of Education, essentially our education secretary.
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We should also note there have been a number of lawsuits over the years, but there's even an open civil suit against the WWE that these abuse scandals involving boys as young as 12 years old, that the McMahons hired people, one guy in particular who they knew allegedly was an abuser, and didn't do anything to stop it. They call it the quote-unquote ring boy scandal. But
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You know, abolishing the Department of Education is their talking point.
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I'm not sure that that happens. You need 60-plus votes to be able to do it. But what I think that they are going to try to do, and it sends a really important signal across the country and also to teachers' unions, is to talk more about school choice and vouchers.
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And there are a lot of people, even on the Democratic side, who are so disappointed in the quality of our public education and for good reasons. We just keep falling further and further behind. Public schools really let American students, especially American students,
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who are poorer down during COVID, but not letting them back in the classroom, even though we knew that kids were not transferring, generally speaking, COVID to one another and that it would have been safe because teachers didn't want to come in. And you see Democrats like Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, has supported vouchers.
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I think that that is the way of the future and that Democrats are going to really need to reckon with this. And Linda McMahon will be the face of pushing that forward.
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Yeah, I'm like middle-aged here, like 55 on a comparative basis.
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We need to talk.
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You realize your podcast partner— You said middle-aged, and we're all going to— I don't—middle-aged isn't really middle, right?
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I think it's important. And I hate, you know, whether Doge is effective or not. The sweeping talking points about doing away with things that need help or need tender, loving care is silly and reflects poorly upon you and is not how people run their businesses either.
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You know, I understand Elon came in and ran Twitter a bit like that, but they've been losing a lot of money, even though now it's a bastion for free speech slash the worst place I've ever hung out in my life. And... it reflects a lack of seriousness about this and a lack of care and concern for your core constituency. Because guess what?
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A lot of people who don't make a ton of money voted for Donald Trump. And guess what? They use the public school system. They don't have other options to go to a private school. The lottery system for getting into charters, you know, might not get lucky and get to do that. And so I think that they would be a lot more convincing as serious folks if they took a different,
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Something terrible is brewing, but yes.
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different line of argumentation about what they're going to do with the Department of Education, including making sure that people do have access to vouchers in more circumstances. I think that that is important, and you should be able to give people those options, certainly with religious schools, because, you know, Catholic schools stayed open through the entire pandemic.
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That was something that they had going for them, and I understand why people want that. There's an aspect also to what McMahon will be overseeing. And Trump's been—he talked about this throughout the campaign, and I do think it is important. So, you know, they could essentially transfer responsibility for accrediting universities to college—for colleges to the states.
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And Trump has been talking about things like, if your university isn't letting Jewish kids— go to class or get into the dining hall or get to the Hillel or the Chabad on campus. We're coming after you. And I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing to be tinkering around with that or to at least be using it as a threat.
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They've also said as a cudgel, if you have DEI policies or if you're using affirmative action, and the universities are smart enough that they can get to whatever form of affirmative action they think they need to without it sending up flags in that way. But what do you think about the approach of threatening these universities more if they are not treating each student as equal?
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Like if they're not treating kids from one group like they would if they were Black, for instance, or if they were LGBTQ+.
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It's really fair. Yeah.
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It doesn't give the game away.
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I just wanted to really quickly, can we just talk about Dr. Oz and Dr. Jeanette Neshwat for one second?
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So Dr. Oz, as the head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, it's laughable in the TV doctor sense and all the fad diets and all the quackery. I thought it was hilarious.
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There was a peer-reviewed piece in a British medical journal that picked 40 random episodes of his show and found that his health recommendations were based on evidence just 46% of the time, which is pretty shitty for a doctor.
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But what he does plan to do that is really dangerous is to work towards privatizing Medicare, to move us towards Medicare Advantage, which is what mostly people who are 80 plus are on. And the costs are enormous when you use Medicare Advantage. And he has talked about bringing that to younger Medicare users, 66 million people on Medicare, including my mother and my dad. It saw him through cancer.
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Most unbelievable coverage. Do you have any Dr. Oz feelings?
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I'm good with that. And then someone who you may not know, but I know personally because we have nine Fox personalities that are going to go into the administration thus far is Dr. Jeanette Neshwat. And I wanted to mention this. She's for Surgeon General. She's a real deal doctor. And you can see that she's being
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taken apart online for believing in vaccines, for participating in... You remember those hand-washing trends where doctors were doing TikToks and stuff of how to make sure that you keep your hands clean? She has called vaccines safe and effective. It will keep you off the ventilator, keep you from passing away. And...
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Not only do I just like her personally, but I hope that this is a signal, and Dr. Marty McCary as well, who's at Johns Hopkins, who's coming in for the FDA, that there will be some hard science people in there. They're calling her Dr. Fauci in heels. I am thrilled with that.
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Nancy Mace sucks. She's awful. And she had so much promise when she came into Congress. She seemed like she was she was part of like the normie caucus. Trump said, like, I'll stand up to Trump when that's the right thing to do. I'll, you know, I'll always be on the side of South Carolinians. And now she's just high off of getting as many likes and retweets as possible.
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These videos that she's posting are embarrassing for her. And... You know, and I don't know who started saying it during the first Trump administration, but the cruelty is the point. The cruelty is the point here. You have been in Congress for a while.
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If you were concerned about someone being in your bathroom, you could have brought this up because there are people who come in and out of Congress, right? This isn't about their—so the members have their own private bathrooms, right? And I'm sure that Sarah McBride will be using that or there are gender-neutral restrooms. But Nancy Mace showed no evidence that anyone was a threat.
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No one's been attacked, God forbid. She hasn't been made to be uncomfortable. And she is herself a rape survivor. And she talks about that regularly and the implications of being sexually assaulted. But I see no correlation to this except that you want to rile people up and take advantage of, frankly— the level of misinformation that's out there about trans people.
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And I wanted to mention this to you. So YouGov had a new survey work out about how Americans overestimate the size of minority groups and underestimate the size of majority groups. They think there are 21 times more trans people in America than there are, 27 times more Muslims, 15 times more Jews, and two more times immigrants.
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So there's this fallacy out there that, you know, kids are going to school and coming home with different junk, that everyone that you pass on the street is a trans person. And that's someone like Sarah McBride, who I think has been so magnanimous and taken the high road to a level that I never could, is the threat in all of this.
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Like a Bond girl.
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I agree with all of that. And I think that it's the beginning of potentially having electoral consequences. And this is what Democrats want, right? They want Republicans to take the mask off, essentially, and to expose themselves for being people who live by the cruelty is the point. And if you remember the North Carolina bathroom bill controversy, this did not go well for Republicans.
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Boris is no bueno.
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This is not their concerns. Biological men in women's sports is their concern. That's 70% of Americans think that Leah Thomas had no business being in that pool with those girls as a competitive swimmer. But they don't care about using the bathroom. Now, there are some people who do. I get that. I see them in my Twitter feed. Hello, I see you. But
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In general, no one is concerned about Sarah McBride. And you notice it's only Marjorie Taylor Greene that's been running around screaming about this alongside Nancy Mace. And if that's your wingwoman for something like this, you know that you're probably doing something wrong. And, you know, people who worked in Nancy Mace's office are—
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destroying her online over this and saying there is more to come about how terrible this woman is. But I think it's just so ugly and, I don't know, good on Sarah McBride for being such a big person to be able to rise above.
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Well, that was Martina Navratilova has been screaming about this for a long time. Like, and I mean, this is... There have been, and I know Cara has spoken about this before as well. I mean, there have been evolutions within the LGBTQ plus movement that have shoehorned out certain groups, like OG groups, like gay men and lesbians. And...
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I guess that's a peachy read of all of this, though, I mean, when we were talking about it last week, the expectation was that this one wasn't going to get through, especially once there started being, like, the jockeying back and forth about whether they're going to release...
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you know, moved to a different place than perhaps they didn't think they were going. And I think that not saying things that are common sense, not reverting to the mean of does this make sense is part of the problem. And maybe there is some truth to, you know, I have colleagues who will say,
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Well, this is because you don't think about competition the same way that we do because you get participation trophies for everything at your, you know, your little liberal schools or whatever. And I think that if Kamala had come out—and again, I think it was a fundamentals election—couldn't win against the inflation and— people's feelings about the economy.
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But if she had come out after that, the Charlemagne ad was cut, which was a trans ad, but also an economic ad, right? Like our money, your tax dollars are going to something that is niche and that you don't approve of. She should just come out and say, that is not the position of the Democratic Party.
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Maybe some of those late deciders would have felt differently about us, that we weren't out of our minds, whether that's, you know, because some of our loudest voices, like John Oliver did a whole monologue about it last weekend or two weeks ago, and he's gotten a lot of blowback. Jen Psaki has spoken about it and said, oh, well, what's the big deal? The big deal is it ruins competition.
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And it's not fair. Like, it can't be both things, that a man can be inherently scary if you run into him in a dark alley and also that it's fine in competition against biological women. Like, those two things contradict each other.
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But would they still be there? Like, what are the implications of something like that?
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Well, I think they're doing that already, which is the problem.
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I mean, what is this spinoff? I realize you've been discussing it on your other shows, but what is the spinoff of this? I mean, they're calling it now a well-funded startup. What is the future of MSNBC?
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The ethics report and then Trump, apparently, the transition team doesn't want anyone to undergo normal FBI checks, which is the usual procedure. They're like, we can do it with an outside firm so I can hire, you know, Barron to look at them and then we'll see what's going on. But... I never think it's as straightforward as it seems.
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I mean, I don't know. I feel bad because I like a lot of the people at MSNBC. And I feel like having Elon Musk as your boss is the worst. And I think it's important. Listen, Fox is up. Like our viewership is through the roof since the election and the lead up to the election.
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And I hope that that continues because I want to be able to pay for my kids to go to the Big Apple Circus as many times as possible. But
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Is that what it is?
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I don't mind that. But what what happens? A lot of people will leave, obviously. But I do think that there is a real problem with the psyche of the average MSNBC viewer that they're like losing their minds that Joe and Mika would even have a conversation with President-elect Donald Trump.
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I feel like the fact that Matt Gaetz said, I am not taking my seat. So he won reelection and he could still, even though he resigned from Congress, he resigned from this Congress, not the next one.
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It's insane to me. Like, don't you want any access also to the most powerful man in the world? 100%.
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Like, just be craven about it. And yeah, if they don't want to get audited, yeah, same. I don't want to get audited. And they have probably more interesting stuff going on in their tax returns than I do. Like, you should go and kiss the ring. And that is the thing about having an entertainer as the president. He appreciates it. If you show up and you say, Donald, you're a beautiful color today.
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How do you keep your hair intact? Whatever. He's going to like you and probably leave you alone. What shade of orange is that?
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So the expectation was, well, maybe he's just going to go back to Congress, which would also help Mike Johnson out, that he doesn't have to have a few months down one further in his majority because they can only lose, you know, one to three seats. votes per issue as it is. But then he says, I'm not going back to Congress. And that makes me think, like, what terrible thing are you going to do?
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You know, he said, there are already people that I know have a hardened position, know to me, Mitch McConnell, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and then John Curtis, who will be the new senator from Utah, replacing Mitt Romney. And it made me think, are the other controversial picks... not getting that kind of feedback?
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Or is Matt Gaetz the only one who doesn't want to go through this public airing of anything? Because I imagine that there are a few that are telling Pete Hegseth, I'm not into you, or RFK Jr. So do you, what do you think?
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I think the problem is, is that the top of the ticket is what, or I should say, who shattered a lot of these norms to begin with. So why wouldn't the cabinet follow suit on that front? And there were all of these stories coming out about, you know, past nominees that hadn't been able to get through, like, under Bill Clinton because they had an undocumented nanny.
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Like, those were the days, right, when you just had someone... who was, yes, here illegally, but was good enough to be taking care of your child, which is probably the most important job that we have, globally speaking. There's nothing more precious than your child and who you entrust them to be with for 10 hours a day or whatever you're doing. And that was ending nominations.
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And now we're having conversations about, like, how many minors is too many? Or how many allegations of sexual assault is too many? How many brain worms? How many affairs and sex journals that ended up leading to suicides is too many. And I don't know. It makes me think a lot about what the Democrats are going to have to do.
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And this is one of the cases that people have been making, not because he behaves like this, but because he has this kind of swagger for Gavin Newsom. You know, there's this whole... part of social media that talks about him as the psychopath we need, right? Like the guy who will just show up as relentlessly on message, is fast on his feet, is so good looking, is so sharp.
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And I think there are going to be a lot of people that feel that way, that are going to feel scared away from a kind of more normie pick, right? Like a guy who's just standing up there with his nice wife and his two kids and And doesn't have that kind of energy because it's clear the Republican Party is feeding off of depravity at this point.
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I think she will as well. If there was some game of 3D chess going on to put Gates up to get someone else in and a big sense of relief, this could have been it. I think Pam Bondi is not going to have any issues as she was a prosecutor for a long time, first female AG. In Florida, very, very competent. She's been in a lobbying firm called Ballard for the last several years.
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And Susie Wiles is a partner there. So she's a very good relationship with Susie Wiles, which is obviously a big part of this. She has ingratiated herself to Trump over the last 10 plus years. So in 2016, she actually endorsed Trump over Marco Rubio, which was a big deal that the Florida AG went for Trump versus the hometown hero, who I guess Mar-a-Lago has been in Florida.
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Um, the only, well, two things that I think are relevant. So she's very into this same line of argumentation that Gates was making, which is, I'm going to investigate the investigators. I'm going to weed out all of the bad guys, get rid of Jack Smith, his whole team. She's been talking like that. She actually went for Trump's claims of voter fraud in 2020.
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She even went to Philadelphia and gave a press conference about how messed up everything was going, the false claims of widespread voter fraud. The one kind of scandal, I guess, revolves around a 2013 political donation. So that's when that huge lawsuit investigating Trump University was going on and all the state AGs had to sign on.
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And there were a lot of victims from Trump University in Florida. And Pam Bondi ended up not signing on and also got a $25,000 contribution from Trump's charity. So that will, I think, be the kind of fireworks in terms of the scandals, I guess, in her hearings. And the more normie Republicans, I think, will want to hear you're not just going to
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come in and do everything that he wants, especially considering the Supreme Court ruling about immunity for kind of everything. But in general, this looks like it's going to be absolutely fine.
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Yeah, Susan Wild, the Democrat, the ranking Democrat on the committee, has said as much. She was really upset that Republicans were leaking inside information from what was going on in the room. I think that they're going to get it out, and I think that's probably why Gates thought, I got to get out of here because I'm not going to be insulated from this.
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One thing we haven't talked about, which is so central to all of this, and then I do want to get to other nominees, but You know, he's picking everyone who's good on TV, and Pam Bondi has spent a lot of time on our airwaves on Fox. But when you think about it, it's actually really smart.
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If you can get qualified people who are also good on TV, that they can defend themselves and that they can defend you and not look like a deer in headlights every time they give an interview. So a lot of people are dismissive of it, but I think it's actually a very good strategy.
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Well, I'm not getting picked for anything, but I'm just saying.
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And I'm Jessica Charloff.
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So I don't know if that counts as disagreeing with you a little bit, but that's all I got.
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I wanted to have a broad discussion that made plenty of time for us, more for you than for me, because one of us needs more of that than the other. And I also wanted to cement our place in the Beltway relevancy, I guess. And I think it's super cool. And there will be tons of opportunities also for us to do this.
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That makes me feel better because I'm very scared.
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I was talking with producer David that maybe we would do a little touring around the midterms or something like that. And we can go selling out theaters across the country. What do you think?
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No, I agree with you. And we also took away a central plank of why government work appeals to people, which is the consistency. And that you are somewhat at least protected by being part of the government, right? This is a place where you can make a good living. You can set up camp.
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Like you said, you can meet someone, fall in love, have kids, live in a pretty nice place, and also know that you should be able to continue to be employed as you go through your career, that you can be there 10, 20, 30, 40 years. And it was a real career in the sense that I feel like folks don't have anymore.
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I remember when I was graduating college, my dad was like, OK, well, what do you want to do? I ended up going to grad school, but I was looking around at all these different fields. And he said, it doesn't appeal to you at all to go work at college. a big American company. Like, you don't want to go get in on one of those programs, right, where you start off, you do the first two years.
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And I was like, no, it doesn't really appeal to me that way. And I ended up having a career thus far where I have hopped around from a bunch of different things, not only just media companies, but, you know, in academia, then out of academia. I aspire one day to go back to academia. But working in public service is picking that straight line, right? That you want to be somewhere.
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You want to be dedicated to it. You want to understand the ins and outs of it. And you also want to fundamentally help people. And it's been really interesting from more of a political point of view in this to see what's going on in these town halls. Because I feel like the American public is now separated into two buckets, right? You're either outraged or you're not.
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And it doesn't really have a party ID connected to it. So there was a Washington Post editorial and she went to dueling town halls. One Republican, Mike Lawler, one Democrat, Pat Ryan, who we have on the show and we really like. But Mike Lawler, a moderate, someone who's spoken out against the Trump administration, someone who folks talk about as maybe being able to run for governor of New York.
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And the town halls were essentially the same. Those are Hudson Valley districts side by side because everybody is just outraged. And these are folks who voted for a Democrat and folks who voted for a Republican. Social Security, the Department of Education, which we're going to talk about in a little bit, atop the list there. How does Doge have access to all this information?
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We didn't talk about that. That's the central problem. With what Doge is doing, that they're getting access to private information that actually leads to fraud. If you're concerned about fraudsters, look at the 19 year olds that Musk has with their hands in everything that's precious to us.
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And I think that that is going to be the basic premise for the political landscape over the course of the next three to four years. Are you outraged? Or are you fine with what's going on? And you're going to have a lot more people on the outrage side of things than those who think that it's okay, even if they think that we are directionally going in the right direction, right?
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Like, is it directionally correct that we are getting... undocumented people in our country who are part of a Venezuelan gang that kills Americans? Yes. Is that right? But are we outraged that there are innocent people who, you know, claimed asylum through a legal port of entry, like this story about the gay barber from Venezuela?
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Amazing. There was a Time journalist that got into the El Salvadorian prison camp that they sent him to and documented this young man who had a legal asylum claim having his head shaved, crying out for his mother.
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If gangs were filled with people like this man, I think the face of gang warfare would be changing a lot. So are you outraged over that? I know a lot of people who agree with Trump's immigration plans and know that we need to fix the border.
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Even Bernie Sanders was on with Jonathan Karl over the weekend and he said that he thinks that Trump has done net net a good job on immigration, that we don't have this massive flow of illegal immigration anymore. But are you outraged about something like that? Or the 54-year-old guy, American, that I talked about who was detained? Yeah. And that will hopefully unite more people.
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I mean, they literally decide everything that affects your life there. I understand. I mean, and I'm just not a D.C. person. I'm sure there is a cool D.C. bar in like one of the hotels or something.
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It's going to, as with everything that they're trying to do, make it harder to use. So there's this chart that's floating around social media. It starts with claim it's broken, goes to justify cuts to it, cut essential services, make it harder to use. And they want to make the government impossible to use.
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And because I guess it doesn't affect them personally, even though I assume they just haven't spoken to anyone who might have a kid with disabilities or that they know anyone who's poor. As Howard Letnick has demonstrated, they don't understand some of the good that the Department of Education does. And they are, again, to go back to the idea that they are mean and lazy.
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I do wonder how many people who are saying that they want to get rid of the Department of Education thinks that the Department of Education is the one that sets the curriculum because they aren't. That's done on the state level.
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Exactly. But when they talk about critical race theory or DEI in your classrooms, exactly. They are throwing everything that they don't like into this bucket even though it's completely irrelevant to it.
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And you listen to people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas, which has one of the lowest rated education systems in the country, talking about the DOE as if it's not actually her fault that the kids in her state have like the 48th or 49th worst least educational attainment.
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So I think this is an opportunity, going back to what you were saying about Social Security, for Democrats to do something positive. So there's an education function here that you need to talk to people about how the DOE is actually a funding and civil rights enforcement agency, that this is not about setting the curriculum.
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But to do that, you need to also own the fact that education, public education in this country is not up to standard. And the national report card, you can use all of those stats falling behind other countries. It makes us less competitive, et cetera.
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And I thought it was really interesting to see the change in how the public views education in this country and who they think would be best to manage it. Because Democrats used to have a double-digit advantage, and now it's essentially tied. Maybe they have a one or two-point advantage advantage. based on the poll.
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And you saw this in Glenn Youngkin's election to be the governor of Virginia when Terry McAuliffe came out there and said, basically, your kids aren't yours. They belong to the teachers. No one likes that. Parental rights is really important. And in New Jersey, it was a huge issue. And Phil Murphy barely got elected there. I think it was four or five points.
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It should have obviously been much bigger. So Democrats really need to find a way to own this space better. And that will include admitting some of your own failings. And frankly, I think going after Randy Weingarten and the teachers unions, at least to some degree, obviously not saying we want to break up the union. Unions are an incredible force for good in people's lives.
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Anyways, we have someone important showing up to the 92nd Street Y. Yeah, thank you for just totally crapping on the entire premise of this. Anyway, it's going to be great.
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And they built out the middle class. You don't have a middle class without them. But I think that There has to be more ownership of what happened during COVID, that these schools, the public schools, especially the ones that serve, are least fortunate and needed them to be open the most, were closed when we needed them.
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And now we've lost, I mean, I'm sure you've seen these stats, there are millions of kids that are just lost, that disappeared from the public school system and never came back.
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Right, so they're cool back home, but once they get there.
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Uplifting promo for our talk at the 92nd Street Y. Anyway, we're really excited.
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Yeah. Well, that's the theme, right, of everything that's going to go on for the next few years. If you have bad actors in positions of power – I'm going to dig in and say you can't have access to anything because you're not going to be doing this in a responsible, well-intentioned way.
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And the Department of Education is already one of the smallest cabinet departments, $268 billion a year, 4% of the U.S. budget. McMahon, Linda McMahon, who is in charge of it, wants to cut staff by 50%. So I don't know what the right number is in terms of cuts to keep it functioning or at least the key things that it does functioning. But that feels really scary to me.
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And when they say, oh, we'll just shift the things that we do that are important, like Title I funding or making sure that we're protecting disabled kids to other departments, they say, oh, we'll send that over to the DOJ. No thank you to Pam Bondi being in charge of these kinds of policies. I don't know her personally.
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Maybe she's perfectly nice, but I don't get the vibe off of her that she cares at all or that there's anyone in kind of top lieutenant role that understands how important it is that those dollars get to those kids. In February, there was a group of top education officials from GOP-controlled states that took a meeting with Linda McMahon, and they want this money as block grants, right?
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They want to say, send it back to the states, and we'll deal with it. So your point about vouchers is well taken, and we talked about this a few weeks ago, and I got some really... thoughtful feedback from people who live in red states explaining to me what would actually happen if we moved to a voucher system where they are.
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So not only would kids not have a school option anywhere near them and they'd end up priced out of the private schools anyway, but that it was a move to get people into religious schools, to be able to turn, you know, one nation, quote, unquote, under God into the policy across all areas of life. And I hadn't seen this quote before.
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This is from Betsy DeVos, who was the former Trump education secretary, who openly called it advancing God's kingdom, that that was the plan for how they wanted to do education in this country. So I hear that. And then I think about even what I was saying about vouchers like.
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Should there be some optionality, especially during a once-in-a-century global health pandemic, that you should be able to get $70,000 to be able to go to the Catholic school down the street or to the temple down the street that has a good program? And that scares the living daylights out of me. The Oklahoma superintendent...
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wanted $3 or $4 million to buy Trump Bibles, because of course everything is branded and everything's a grift, to put those in the schools in Oklahoma. And so if you hand the keys over to these religious zealots that have demonstrated no care or concern for the children who need a good public education the most, I feel that I can't abide by that.
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And I'm going to become even more dug in about the Department of Education, which probably does need some level of reform. And this has been going on since Reagan, right? It went in under Jimmy Carter or became through the act of Congress that it was created. And we should note it can't be abolished. That has to go through Congress and that will never happen.
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But starting just a year later, Reagan is crusading on this. And every Republican since then has been making it its goal to abolish it. But Trump is clearly showing that he will spend his last term or, you know, hopefully his last term. I don't know. He's certainly going to declare something funky can go on at the end of this. But to destroy every aspect of the federal government.
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Yeah, to add to that, I saw the CBO releasing the data on the implications for the revenue we're going to collect with the cuts to the IRS, another $500 billion into the deficit. And guess who's not going to have to pay their taxes? The wealthy, who can navigate around the system, who don't actually need to get an IRS agent on the phone. And I don't want to hear...
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ever again from the right about the debt or the deficit. I'm just over it. If these tax cuts are going to go through, which is going to be trillions over several years, what is it, the $800 billion a year adding to the deficit, and things like getting rid of the IRS so we can't even pretend that we're going to collect money from folks who are prone to tax cheat, just, like, save it.
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And Alan Simpson, who died last week, I was reading again about the Simpsons-Bowles Commission. And, like, people would be laughed off the stage if they tried to do something like that again. And, I mean, it didn't even work when they first tried it. But now I feel like it's just a massive joke that anyone is actually concerned about the deficit.
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Aren't you a hoot?
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I do like that you've reduced it all to one short TED Talk.
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Thank you. And I apologize to our listeners that I'm just like snotting through all of our conversations. It's crazy. We were at the pediatrician yesterday. The baby had crazy hives all over her body, but we thought it was, it's okay. Zyrtec, kid Zyrtec, fantastic. And she woke up without it. basically got rid of everything, but we thought it was hand, foot, and mouth, and I was having a meltdown.
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Did the boys ever have that?
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Or even how you would treat yourself, right? I'm like, eh, no, it's fine.
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I'm like, he's big and strong. Everything is going to be fine. And then, you know, your little almost one year old has these huge splotches all over her. And you're like running around the house like a crazy person. Like, did you see this one? Did you see this one? And, you know. Anyway, pediatricians are saints also, and all the nurses that work there as well.
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You would be such a weird pediatrician. Just your vibes.
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I guess they would be different.
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So everything worked out for you.
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I mean, the pattern... that stands out to me is that it's real bleak. I was expecting at least something that felt like a sunny day and it was all a torrential rainstorm of information coming down. I listened to David Shore on with... Ezra Klein. And I don't know, I guess now because how prevalent podcasts are. And again, thank you to the listeners.
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It's great that you're paying attention to what we're talking about, like that that's the best way that I'm absorbing information at this point. And I was walking listening to it. And I didn't actually shed a tear, but I felt my ducks start to activate as David Shore kept bringing out chart after chart and saying to him, like pointing at something and saying, you see this quadrant?
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We have nothing in this quadrant. And it was like the success quadrant, right, of the chart. Things that stuck out in particular, the idea of if we vote, we win is now over is deeply problematic because I also don't want to become the party who wants folks to stay at home. Like that was always the Republicans thing.
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And now I guess it has to be our thing because if we all vote, we lose and we lose by a lot. I mean, the idea that Republicans could win a popular vote by 4.8 percentage points, then won the popular vote, in 20 plus years anyway. But like, that's our thing, right? That folks turn out to vote and we do super well. So that's over. Everybody, please stay home. I'm for disenfranchisement now.
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I'm just kidding. I'm not. We'll fix it and we'll make it so that we win back the voters. But that was deeply concerning. The one... That really stood out because I feel like it flies in the face of everything that we thought about the way Trump was campaigning and how people were receiving his message. Was this change that Biden won the immigrant population vote by 27 points?
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And it looks like Trump won it by one this time. Like that level of a swing. Yeah. Especially when the guy is out there, you know, they're eating the cats and the dogs. And, you know, Puerto Rico is just a floating island of garbage. And all the xenophobia and... It didn't matter at all. And obviously this is different amongst, you know, various immigrant populations.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlov.
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And we always know that there are more conservative groups like the Cubans, for instance, have always been that way. But it feels like we've been going through... 20, 30 years of a particular political reality. And now it has been completely upended. And this idea that we are trying to, quote unquote, rebuild the Obama coalition has to go out the door.
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It is dead and buried at this point when you lose, you know, some polls, you know, 12 to 24 percentage points with Latino voters. You're not rebuilding anything, even if you get some of those folks back. So we have to do a full burn it down strategy that's really focused on attracting working class voters back of all races and ethnicities.
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But I don't know if we're going to win national elections again. It's going to look wildly different. And David Shore was pointing out that. We did surprisingly well in the Senate map and we had good candidates and they had bad candidates. And that has been a feature of the Trump era that he goes and he backs people that can't win elections. And we get lucky because of that.
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Like Ruben Gallego, who we have on the podcast this week, actually going to interview him. He won in Arizona where Trump won Arizona by five points. Now, he was running against Carrie Lake. Are they going to run Carrie Lake again? I don't think so. Or a Carrie Lake adjacent type person. And a lot of that is for what the world looks like in a post-Trump era, you know, 2028 and beyond.
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But deeply concerning is how I felt. How did you feel looking at the data?
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Yeah. And they're setting a new standard, right? When you have 13 billionaires in the government, which, and again, I'm not anti-billionaire. I think capitalism is a wonderful thing. But I think that there are good billionaires and there are bad billionaires. And the bad ones shouldn't be in charge of our government. And Lutnik has been... on a tour of asinine commentary in the last few weeks.
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I want to agree with something and then I want to disagree with something. So definitely color green, most important, 91%. of voters said cost of living was their top issue. There's an argument to be made that incumbents lost all over the globe, and Kamala Harris was also an incumbent. She was Biden-Harris administration.
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And as an interesting corollary, Mike Donilon, who's top advisor to Joe Biden, was speaking about what happened in the election. And he said it was crazy that they pushed Biden out. I think that the party went insane. And we all thought that that was crazy, right? Like that we breathed new life into the campaign, getting Kamala out there.
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And we would have lost by, you know, Trump could have won 400 electoral votes if it had been Biden. But the way that favorability ended when we went into election day, Kamala was negative six and Biden was plus six. Now, would that have drifted down further had he stayed the candidate? Possibly, but it was interesting. David Shore kind of entertained the premise that Mike Donilon wasn't insane.
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On the identity politics front, I agree with you in general. I'm not mad about the idea that we move away from having all of these special interests conversations, but you used Black voters, for instance, where... Kamala Harris was trying really hard to just have an agenda for all Americans. Her best testing ads were ones that appealed to everybody in the lower and middle classes.
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She wasn't necessarily going after the wealthy voters. She said, you know, you'll just come with me. And that is what ended up happening. But Then she had to go and do a town hall with Charlemagne on the Breakfast Club for Black men.
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She had to release an agenda for Black men because she was hearing from all of her key stakeholders that Black men in particular didn't think that she had any proposals specifically focused on them. So what do you do about that? When you're trying to run a general campaign where the economy is your central issue, these are the kind of policies that I'm implementing to help you.
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I want to build more housing. I want to go after price gouging, those hugely popular policies. And yet a target demo comes back to you and says, well, what's in it for me? You haven't told me specifically with my name on it, like the Black Man Agenda. What do you do?
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I mean, it's not just this, which I think will kind of be in the Hall of Fame. And if he is out of a job soon, which I've spoken to a number of Republicans who feel like he will be the first to go just because he is embarrassing the administration right, left, and center, this comment will obviously be atop the list of why that happened. But I'm wondering how somebody can have such little...
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Or that the other side is racist. They don't think that anymore.
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Now, that's a sexy message.
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Yeah. I can see that. That's perfect for Galloway 2032.
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I know. I can also hear pivot. It is publicly available.
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Well, in Kara's defense, apparently you're not... open to doing these things, but you don't want to go to Paris with her. So I'm going to go to Paris with her.
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Do you?
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I heard something. I also heard we're sold out. We are. We're sold out.
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aptitude for self-reflection to understand that your mother-in-law, by virtue of being your mother-in-law, is also a billionaire and is probably actually claiming a Social Security check that she doesn't need. And I don't begrudge her that. Social Security, we paid into the system. It's your money that you're getting out of it. They're acting like that this is a handout.
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It's absolutely not the case. But... It's like every time they talk about one of these departments, they expose themselves to be not only mean, but also incredibly lazy, that they don't want to do the work to understand what it is that the government is actually doing.
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And I think that that's one of the most potent arguments against them, that A, there's an evilness to this, and there's a derisiveness and a nastiness that is really important. Like, I understand he's not a candidate for president, but I was reflecting back on Hillary Clinton saying about half of Trump supporters go in this basket of deplorables. Right.
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And I don't there were a lot of different factors that ended up causing her to lose the election. And the Comey letter was the number one cause of that, a la Nate Silver. But she made that comment, which was obviously really bad if you're going to an election.
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And then you think about someone like the Commerce Secretary, which is not the most important job, but it's still a pretty good cabinet position saying something like this. That exposes them for having zero respect for anyone, certainly not in the top 1%, right? And no understanding of how the system works. And that they're proud of it, too.
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Like, if I felt that way about the vast majority of Americans, I would be embarrassed and I would try to be in private as much as possible when I was espousing these offensive ideas. nasty views. And they're just letting it all hang out, right? Like, they're mansplaining and manspreading all over every kind of media outlet that will have them these views that are completely un-American.
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And if you ask him, well, what is Social Security to you? He certainly wouldn't say it's the greatest anti-poverty program that we've ever had in American history, but that's actually what Social Security is, keeping millions of seniors out of poverty, and not only that, but returning their own money to them. it floored me. And then he just sat there.
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And then also the host and the all-in podcast, that was the one he was on, just went, mm-hmm. And I understand you have a guest, and it is sometimes difficult to tangle with them, right? And you don't want to make it controversial. You don't want to be pushing back that hard. How do you not mention the fact that Most people actually rely on their Social Security, any stats.
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I'm on the one hand, super excited about that. And on the other hand, upset because people can't get tickets anymore to come. And I'm getting a lot of. StubHub. Do you think the secondary market is going to be huge for us?
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I mean, these people are supposed to be good at finance, right? The economy, understanding what's going on, saying like, this is actually what's keeping seniors above water in most cases. And it's really nice that your mother-in-law has a great life because her daughter married well. But the rest of the world doesn't work like this.
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So you sold us out, basically.
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Well, I appreciate the effort to get us to disagree. I want to keep up with that, but it's pretty persuasive. And I know, like, my dad, before he passed away, he didn't claim his Social Security. He said, I don't need this. You know, I'm doing fine. And maybe there should be some type of means testing mechanism. I think Democrats would be smart to be having a more kind of responsible conversation
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about the fact that Social Security is going to go insolvent and not far down the road, down the road at a time that we're going to be able to see that. The issue is, is that what the Trump administration is doing makes that kind of conversation impossible because they're trying to ruin Social Security for people who actually need it. So not the third of seniors that you're talking about.
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They're talking about it for the two-thirds of seniors that desperately need it. So they're doing things like closing Social Security offices all over the country. They're also cutting back on the employees that answer the phones and making it impossible for seniors to be able to talk to anyone and to collect their benefits. And you know you have a 95-year-old father who I—
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is not going anywhere on his own anyway, has to send someone, I presume, to go and do things for him.
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But when you say to people, oh, just come down to our office, oh, just kidding, that office is closed, oh, just kidding, the next closest office can be up to 120 miles away from where that senior citizen lives, you're essentially saying a huge F you, right, to them, but also we're doing away with Social Security whether you like it or not. They're also doing crazy stuff
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And this goes back to Lednick talking about the quote-unquote fraudsters. And I just wanted to add to the conversation that apparently the level of Social Security payments that are erroneous is under 0.00625%. Yeah, so no one. So no one.
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No one. And what they did to a man in Seattle, they decided he was dead. He is very much alive. They canceled his Social Security payments and also his Medicare payments. So he can't get health care and he can't get the money that he lives on. And he was able to, with the help of family, claw it back. Right. And now everything is fine. And they do this collective. So what?
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Oh, so you were a little inconvenienced. I get this all the time on the five for my colleagues. Talk about an American man who was detained in Chicago for 10 hours that luckily the guy was carrying his Social Security card. So once they gave him back his stuff after they cuffed him and threw them in an ICE detention center could say, excuse me.
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And not only I wasn't just naturalized, I was born here. They say, oh, well, everything was fixed. No big deal. You tell me, are you comfortable if I throw you in the back of an ICE truck? And 10 hours later, I say, oh, no, you'll still make your dinner reservation. You can go. Or someone who needs their Social Security payments. And we just say, well, it was rectified. That's Elon's thing.
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He says, oh, we cut, you know, an AIDS funding program. That was a mistake. We turned it back on. How is this an OK way to do governance? That's where it really falls down. And because they're doing it at a warp speed and at this level of inaccuracy or stupidity, it makes it impossible to have any sort of adult conversation like the one that you were trying to have.
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I did my regular life. Das war ein verrückter Moment. Ich hatte den Doppelstrahler, ich hatte beide meine Mädchen mit mir. Ich war in die Kirche, um ein paar Kekse zu holen, weil all das, was du mit jungen Kindern suchst, ist eine Aktivität, richtig? Um sie aus dem Haus zu holen. Ich war so, lass uns Kekse holen. Und dieser junge Mann, den ich gesehen habe, war ein bisschen mich auszusehen.
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All of that is true. As someone who lived in London for a long time and was over there when Brexit was happening, I hope they backs it. I had not heard that term. They had buyer's remorse about 20 minutes after the decision came down. And they were fed a lot of propaganda to make them make that choice. Thank you, Nigel Farage. But
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A stronger Europe and a less dependent Europe is to some degree Donald Trump fulfilling one of his promises, which is to get us out of the global order in the way that we have been. And his voters overwhelmingly don't think that we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. He is actually being responsive to his own voters in saying that. And this has been going on for the last year or two.
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I think people were really jazzed about the conflict in the beginning where Ukraine was pulling off these incredible defeats and they seemed like they were going to win. And something changed. Russia was not falling apart in the way that they expected. Donald Trump and co. were obviously amplifying that.
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Aber es bringt zu dieser größeren Frage, wenn die Leute, die dich nach Washington gesendet haben, eine bestimmte Art und Weise von etwas fühlen, ist es deine Aufgabe, dann in so einer Art zu reagieren oder Entscheidungen zu machen, die mit dem verbunden sind? Oder gehst du mit dem, was eigentlich das richtige, was man in einem historischen Sinne tun kann?
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Well, I just know I was, you know, I was looking at the data on what Republicans support for elections. Vielen Dank. Right. We need that money to be spent on us rather than to be spent on a conflict abroad that, frankly, Democrats and Republicans have not effectively contextualized in the life of the average American.
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So you could say, yeah, there are tons of people showing up at town halls who have World War II vets in their families, but they're probably outliers from the average person that I, you know, walked through. Yeah, this is a messaging issue in my view, because one, okay, it's 60, 65 billion dollars.
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Und ich war so, okay, das ist cool, ich habe es noch. Und dann sagt er, hi, Mama. Und ich war so, oh mein Gott, es funktioniert. What is happening now? Has my sexual identity become mom? And then he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, burp me. What? Yeah, burp me, because I have kids, right? Like burp me, like you burp kids.
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And what we've failed to do is show that the majority of this capital, a vast majority of it, ends up back in the U.S.
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It's so creepy. And then now I'm thinking, am I just a mom? Have I become only a vessel in life? And no one would want a cat call me about something distinct from my children. But I did have them with me. And also he seems like a total pervert. Anyway, that was the highlight of my weekend.
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I wish someone in a position of electoral power had articulated it that way. Because I don't think that anyone thinks that they have a job or are making more money or that even they are safer at home, which is what they care about, versus lots of people who are abroad, because we've been involved in this conflict. And they thought that it would end in a year, two years.
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Now we're at the third anniversary of this. Yes, there have been tons of accomplishments in terms of what the Ukrainians have pulled off, but Russia is not going away. Basically, everyone admits that there have to be some sort of concessions. Even Zelensky has talked about that. Maybe not going back to... We do. All right. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us.
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Still has their soul or their moral compass. But then generally they get in line. And I think the confirmation process has really elucidated that. You know, this is Trump's party. This is Trump's administration. And they will do things Trump's way. So I'm not waiting for any Republican to save us from this. It does seem like the American public, though, may be the ones to do it.
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And I've been surprised by how quickly... Trumps Image und Approval Rating hat sich gesteigert oder gesteigert oder in den Augen der Menschen. Es gibt einige Polls, die zeigen, dass sein Approval nicht gesunken ist. Ich sollte das bemerken. Aber generell geht die Trendlinie in die negativen Richtung. Und das sind alle hohe Qualität Polls wie Gallup, Quinnipiac, Reuters und so weiter.
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Die Dinge, die ich finde, die am wichtigsten sind in all dem, und das kommt aus einem Gallup-Poll, ist, dass nur 20% denken, dass die Wirtschaft exzellent oder gut ist und 59% denken, dass die Wirtschaft schlimmer wird. Also wollten die Leute einen Pocketbook-Reverso in ihrer Wahl machen. in electing Donald Trump on November 5th. They don't feel like they are getting it from him.
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And you're seeing that reflected in the market and people are well aware. I think tariffs are the second most least popular thing that he's done. Number one was partnering all the January Sixers. And folks know what the tariffs are going to do to the American economy. I also saw that the Democrats are now up double digits on the generic ballot. Think how quickly...
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Yeah, with respect to Doge, again, I think, I mean, it sort of goes to, okay, what to do. A common psychological warfare technique is to overwhelm the opposition with so many different outrageous things and so many different...
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Well, it's more interesting than watching Moana, which I also did a number of times this weekend. So you live for very little. You remember the baby phase?
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Ich stimme zu, und ich würde dazu hinweisen, dass es mehrere Analysen gegeben hat, was Doge tatsächlich getrennt hat, insbesondere von der konservativen Wall Street Journal. Also, während Musk da ist, sagt er, wir haben 55 Billionen in Trennung gefunden. Sie sagen, es sind 2,6 Billionen, tatsächlich. Und über einen multijährigen Zeitraum sind nur 2% von den Dei-Efforts.
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Und der Rest ist einfach Dinge, die er vielleicht nicht wollen. Wie, du weißt, ein Drogen zu entwickeln, um Alzheimer zu heilen, zum Beispiel. Aber sie machen diese Sache, weil sie die Konversation auf Social Media kontrollieren, dass sie so schnell Shit posten, dass man nicht herausfinden kann, was wahr ist und was nicht wahr ist.
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Und sie erzählen essentiell Leuten, dass Kontakte oder Teile der Information darüber, wie die föderale Regierung Dinge macht, dass sie es verursacht haben, wenn es alles öffentlich verfügbar ist. Aber schau dir das an, du brauchst Experten, die sich in diesem Daten beschäftigen, um es durchzuführen und dir zu sagen, nein, das ist öffentlich verfügbar auf einem anderen Ort.
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Oder du gehst hier hin und das ist, wo du über diesen Kontrakt wissen würdest, zum Beispiel. And so the flooding the zone has been wildly effective, I think, in terms of controlling the discourse. But they have not been able to control the American people when it comes to this, because the people, two to one ratio, don't approve of Musk's outsized role in the government or what Doge is doing.
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And in these town halls, which you cited, which are happening in Republican districts, everyone who's a swing district Republican down to people in very safe seats. These constituents are showing up and they're not only talking about Doge to the brass tacks stuff that you're discussing. They are losing their minds over this 880 billion dollar cut to Medicaid.
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I can't. I'm the mom.
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They didn't think that this was going to have practical implications for them. Because guess what? It's not popular to sit around and say, oh, I love the federal government so much, right? And don't touch a single, you know, hair on the head of anyone who works at USAID. I mean, that's something that feels so foreign. und von den üblichen Amerikanern tägliche Leben.
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Aber was nicht von ihnen ausgetauscht ist, ist Medicaid, Head Start, die 9-11-Health-Initiative. Ich meine, 9-11 war einer der mehr unifizierenden Momente in der amerikanischen Geschichte, richtig? Egal, wo du in diesem Land gelebt hast, egal, wie du gewählt hast, du warst überrascht.
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that we had a terrorist attack on American soil, that we lost 3,500 American lives and millions since then in terms of the repercussions with the air quality and the cancers that people developed from that. My dad died of a 9-11 cancer. You know, we're part of that 9-11 health initiative world because of the implications.
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And when they go after something like that, when you live in rural Iowa, you say... Excuse me? How is it possible that that's on the chopping block? And Jon Stewart has always been such an effective messenger on this subject, because he'll show up in Congress to say, you're going after absolutely the wrong things.
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You have something that has, what, a 90% approval rating, let's say, the folks that went down there and cleaned up after that terrorist attack, or who have worked in the support system, the family members of the heroes that died that day, and that's who you want to be coming out?
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We heard all of these fantasies about 50 million dollars for condoms for people in Gaza or supporting the arts for transgender people in Liberia or whatever lies they were telling us. And they're just not being borne out by the data. And people are getting that message. And Democrats really have to stick to the script on this. There is a budget that will be being brought to the floor.
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It's going through the Rules Committee today. So Wenn das morgen, am Dienstag, veröffentlicht wird, wird es da kommen, und die Republikaner werden darauf votieren. Und es hat einen 880-Billionen-Dollar-Kreis zu Medicaid in es. Und es gibt konservative Gesetzgeber, die für die Führung bitten. Ja, genau. So there is plenty in here to be going after.
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But I think it is important to say time and time again that what Elon Musk is telling you they are doing, they are not. He is saying 55 billion. It is at most 2.6 billion.
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Sie haben dir Geld gegeben. Und dann haben wir ein paar weitere Runden von Karten gemacht während der Biden-Administration. Aber natürlich, du weißt, Joe Biden wollte seinen Namen nicht auf diese Karten stellen. Also hatten sie einen Namen von einem Karriere-Treasurer. Und wenn Leute gingen und votierten, wussten sie nicht, dass Joe Biden ihnen Geld gegeben hat. Richtig.
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Es war, dass Donald Trump mir Geld gegeben hat. Und dann hatte ich eine wirklich schreckliche vier Jahre. Und jetzt wird Donald Trump zurückkommen. And these rebate checks, which if you look at the money, it obviously doesn't add up because those savings are a fantasy in all of this. But if people receive a $5,000 check that says Donald J. Trump on it, that will be meaningful.
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And we need to be very careful around this. Now, I don't know if that's going to go through. That seems like a Muskism versus something that might actually happen on Twitter. Just so insane. And I think the messaging so far has been pretty good around this, but the notion that
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The obvious one is the reshaping of the courts. Biden did really well and had an almost breakneck pace in terms of judicial confirmations. It doesn't compare to the damage that McConnell has done with the Supreme Court being destroyed. You know, the cherry on top of all of this and his ruthlessness and refusing to give Merrick Garland a hearing will be remembered throughout history.
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That was the beginning of this. But he slowed down judicial confirmations during the Obama era to a trickle at best and took advantage of Harry Reid blowing up the filibuster in 2013. And we ended up in this position where, you know, the courts are... Stacked against us, I say us as Democrats or left-leaning people, for generations to come. And so I think that's probably the biggest one.
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I think there's an image that folks saw last week, which will also... Stick with us. And this doesn't just apply to McConnell, but this crop of 80-something legislators, 70-something legislators. You know, it's McConnell and Jim Justice, who's the new senator from West Virginia, was the governor. And they're both in wheelchairs and they're passing each other and they're high-fiving.
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And it's just, I understand, you know, people have accidents and McConnell had fallen. Justice has had trouble walking for a very long time. But you just, you look at this and you, You think we have to be able to do better, not in an ageist way.
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Well, I feel like first we should talk about what's going on. And you were away last week, so I'm sure you have a lot of pent-up thoughts about what seems like...
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I hate to think of myself as someone who is ageist, but it doesn't feel right that the folks that have these rarefied jobs, there are only 100 of them, right, in a country of 330 million, that we have people who are that old, who are refusing at that level to pass the torch. And yes, I know McConnell is retiring. But it's a problem across the board that we've really got to address.
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As usual, super mellow about it. But, you know, the capitulation, the complete betrayal of Ukraine, it makes me feel as though every negative thing
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I totally agree. I love how he was even embracing of the kind of pop culture characterizations of him, like Cocaine Mitch. or the Grim Reaper. He leaned into all of that, or at least a staffer did for him and embraced that role. We need to be more cutthroat in the way that we do politics. But he also is very much representative of the type of Washington that led us to having Donald Trump.
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dass wir in den letzten Jahren darüber nachgedacht haben, dass Trump vis-à-vis Russland, du weißt, von allem, und ich werde nicht sagen, dass er ein russischer Asset ist, aber offensichtlich haben wir in diesem Ort von 2016 angefangen, dann haben wir Helsinki 2018, wo er dort stand und mit Putin über die Intelligenz-Agenzien gesiedelt hat.
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People will spend generations talking about how did we end up with Trump and they'll talk about what went on in the Obama era and this Ja, genau. Er war ein Poster-Kind dafür. Und wir hätten Trump nicht gehabt, ohne so viele Mitch McConnells da zu sein. Und ich denke...
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You know, the image of him not voting to convict Donald Trump in the second impeachment, even though he said that he was guilty of it, right, and saying this is something that we'll leave to the courts, will certainly stick with us, but also flies in the face of this notion that there were anybody on the right that stood up to Trump.
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Because I think that they like to say that, that these are the guys with the backbone. Maybe Mitt Romney is the exception to that, and I should shout him out for that. But Mitch McConnell is such a central piece in the complete takeover of the Republican Party by Donald Trump. And I think that's an important element of his legacy.
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He voted for Patel, actually.
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He voted against Tulsi. Oh, that's right.
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Oh, that's good. I like it. Were you brewing that one for the whole hour of us chatting?
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Can't wait. That's all you crave in your 40s.
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who had all told us that Putin meddled in the election and had wanted Trump to win, that it's all kind of coming to fruition. And Boris Johnson, the former Prime Minister of the UK, who's a staunch ally of Ukraine, a friend of Zelensky, has been a number of times.
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He tried to soften this a bit, I guess, on X, and he posted, you know, obviously Zelensky is not a dictator, obviously they didn't provoke this, this is all Russia's fault, etc. But he said that he thought that Trump was trying to shock Europe into unfreezing the 300 billion that they have in Russian assets and to use that to support Ukraine. Now, that feels...
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like he's just grasping at straws at this point, that Trump isn't playing 3D chess while we're stuck playing checkers. But it is one of the more depressing moves, I guess, of the first five weeks of the Trump term. I feel very sad. What about you?
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I think the answer is yes. And it's been interesting to watch the number of folks that have gone to work for Trump, especially in the foreign policy world, like the Marco Rubios of the world, Mike Waltz, the folks that we initially were saying, well, at least these are the really good guys, right? We're going to be fine on this front.
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But as they're talking and they're supporting Steve Witkoff as well, doing interviews over the weekend, the special envoy, It's like you can see their souls leaving their bodies, right, as they're discussing what the new plan is for the world. And it runs so counter to decades of experience. Some of them have fought for themselves as veterans, right, not just policy wonks sitting in D.C.
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or in their home states, talking about what the future should look like. People who actually put their lives on the line and are now going against that new world order. And there's some merit to that. And I think that we need to strive... Es ist wichtig, die Totalität des Bildes zu schauen, weil es gute Argumente gibt, die einige davon unterpinnen.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Es ist nur so, wenn man sich das komplette Produkt anschaut, muss man sich fragen, ob es eine komplett gefährliche Motivation gibt, uns in diese Art von Position zu bringen. Und Europa ist schwächer, als es früher war. Die Ökonomien sind stagnant. Like you said, if you want to get rich, build a business, etc., you do that in America.
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If you want to spend your money, you go to Europe because you can do apres-ski and you can shop and you can talk to interesting people from all over the world who are there to relax and to have fun. But they're not innovating anywhere close to the way that we are. They're not educating anywhere close to the way that we are. And I think that Trump and Co. are certainly cognizant of it.
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But, you know, you listen to, the Germans had their elections yesterday. We meddled in their elections outright with Elon Musk and J.D. Vance, you know, pushing forward the far right AFD, which underperformed. So the CDU wins. And I'm listening to the... Can you believe that?
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It was rough. Yeah, I was walking around like a lost puppy all week. Like, who do I talk to? What do I do? How was your trip?
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We sent our A-Team over and we were like, why don't you hear J.D. Vance out on this? Why don't you hear Elon Musk out on this? But it should be noted, you know, the CDU is the conservative party and Merz, who's the leader of it, will be the new chancellor, is much to the right of where Merkel was. Especially on immigration.
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So this is a trend line that we are seeing across the world, that people are not interested in open borders. They want to hear about a national identity. They want to hear about people doing it the right way. And they want to make sure that you don't have this... Ja, genau.
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We also need to talk to the British and the French, the two European nuclear powers, about whether nuclear sharing or at least nuclear security from the UK and France could also apply to us. They are scared and they are not looking to us for help. It's smart of them to be thinking this way. So I'd love to hear what you think about that, but then also...
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I want to talk a little bit about Zelensky, the man, because he seems like a total hero in all of this. I was listening to his comments from the weekend. He was speaking in Kiev. And, you know, this is a guy with a 57% approval rating. We know in wartime people don't have elections. He's not a dictator. I am not saying that Ukraine doesn't have corruption. Of course, there are oligarchs there.
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If there are oligarchs, there is going to be corruption. But the fact that he stood there and he said, I'll step down for peace. If you give us NATO, I'll go. You know, it's not about the personal ego in this. And it does harken back to a World War II time, right, where you saw people rise up and show their character in such a way. And that was very moving for me.
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Since, yeah, I was going to say since sixth grade, roughly.
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Well, I think it's also a great opportunity to
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take away a little bit of a clout from influencers that I don't think are putting out particularly good information for folks like people are desperate to know that the Democrats have a spine backbone and a plan right they want someone that they can connect to they are also ready to keep what are they like blasting hitting that donate button there's like a funny term for how you do it
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But the money is rolling in. You see in these special elections, like it's a seat that Trump won by 30 points and people are like, let's give 10, 11 million dollars. You know, we'll do anything to feel like maybe we have a shot at something. And, you know, there is a ton of people out there creating content that is poorly researched content. ridiculously biased.
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I mean, where they're feeding people this false hope. You know, Leader Jeffries was talking about Obama and, you know, yes, we can and hope and change and how those six words made all the difference. And that's actually all you needed for a campaign because people wanted to believe in something so much after what had gone on in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush years.
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And they're turning to the darkest places for content, for their information, and for some of that hope. And if that was more organized, we would be in a better position. And then that could be one of your credentials if you were going to run for president. You can say, I've been the shadow president for the last two years, right? I have been running this operation.
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And we only had the front 10 minutes to do that ourselves. And I think that definitely could have gone for even longer. But we obviously want to make sure that we have our conversation with Leader Jeffries. And it was a big deal to get him to come and do that. I'm still kind of shocked that he said yes. Like, the second we got out there and sat down, I felt comfortable.
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You know, there's a reason Bannon's show is the war room, right? Where is our war room?
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We're talking about this at the end of the show, but we're going to fight.
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Well, he's right that it's unprecedented or almost unprecedented. This happens very rarely. But...
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It is also rare that I would make the case that it seems as though the Supreme Court actually understands the moment that we're living in and that if they wait even an extra 10 minutes that there are going to be more innocent people on a deportation flight to El Salvador for a life sentence with perhaps having committed no crime.
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And I was like, this is so cool. Cool.
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And the administration is trying to defend itself by posting pictures of some of the people who were supposed to be on this flight. They show evidence of nine people of the 177 that were going to be on it. And they want us to walk away from that saying, oh, yeah, well, then it would be totally worth it, right?
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If there are nine people that deserve to end up in that prison, you can hold them for an extra couple of days and make sure that people get their due process. And I'm overwhelmed by how lawless, sloppy and cruel this administration seems to be. And I thought that was a wonderful answer from Leader Jeffries when we said, you know, what makes you rage?
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And he's talking about how mean and cruel these people are. The lack of humanity. that they display on a daily basis. And I hate to make this about gender, but I'm even more appalled at the women that you see, like Kristi Noem, Caroline Leavitt, standing up there talking like monsters. And I think you both have created life. Kristi Noem is a grandmother.
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And I know that I'm in some ways a bleeding heart liberal, and I don't have the constitution for those glorified videos of, you know, people walking in front of the prison cells in Seacott with what seems like 50 men caged in there. You know, they have one toilet for them to share. They're sleeping on bunks, you know, six high, no mattresses. Like, that's not for me. I get that. But...
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It hurts me as a woman, frankly, to see people, to see these women who know what it means to have children and to raise someone and to love someone not give a damn if an innocent person ends up in these cells. And I know that there is a political calculation conversation that we need to have.
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And Governor Newsom was out there saying that Albrego Garcia, the Maryland constituent that Van Hollen went to see, it's a distraction and we need to be talking about the tariffs. And I think people are talking about the tariffs. You know, we know what's going on in the economy. We know about the value of the dollar tanking. We know about the bond market. We know about these small businesses.
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We know about the layoffs. Volvo is laying off a ton of people. Plants aren't opening, et cetera. But the humanity aspect of this is just almost too much for me to bear. And this started out as a slow trickle. And I've been having this fight constantly with my colleagues on The Five where I bring something up and they go, well, that's one guy. And now you have like 10 guys per day.
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And I think that this story from Arizona is going to break through because an American citizen was detained for 10 days by ICE. So he was walking in Tucson by a Border Patrol headquarters. And they picked him up. And the story that they fed the media was that they had actually picked him up in Nogales. So in a border town, which is not true.
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The man says he's never been to Nogales in his entire life. He didn't have identification on him, but he didn't get to talk to a lawyer. He didn't get to make his call.
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And that's the theme that we're seeing over and over again, that these staples of American due process, which everyone has defended, including Antonin Scalia, says the Fifth Amendment was... I should say he said, because he's obviously not talking that much anymore, that the Fifth Amendment is clear that people who are here undocumented have these due process rights. And then when you say...
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Guys, you want to say that anyone who entered the country illegally to begin with, even if they came through a port of entry, went through the asylum system, that they don't belong here? What are you going to say when we talk about an American citizen that spent 10 days in lockup?
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Well, I'm sorry. I am alive, and I have seen SNL, and I know what the memes look like on the internets. So I do know who you're talking about. But anyway.
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No, nothing is wrong.
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Doesn't it feel like- No, because you led with it as a man and then we got to Cinemax.
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Well, I actually think that this is a bit of a happy story with how it ended up. And you could see President Bukele, the El Salvadorian president, almost in real time come to grips with the fact that they are losing the PR battle on this. And that's why they had to present Albrego Garcia. And then it's also come out now that he has been moved to
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positive. I thought the Mayor Adams joke was really funny and was a good way to start and kind of signaled that he was in the mood to hang out versus I'm showing up on, you know, Meet the Press or This Week, right? He does the Sunday shows. And you're right. He usually gives one segment interviews versus sitting down with someone for, you know, 45 minutes to an hour.
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to, I guess, country club prison, El Salvador style. And he's no longer in Seacott because his name has been publicized everywhere. It's the story that's leading all the newscasts. And they know that if something happens to him and if he shows up looking beaten, bruised, or there was an expectation from a lot of people that he was probably dead. that is going to be a massive issue.
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And El Salvador is completely dependent on America for aid. And if Bukele is smart, he's thinking, come 2028, we could have a different president, right, who doesn't share my passion for authoritarianism, and maybe we get cut off, right? There has to be life after Trump.
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I mean, not according to Steve Bannon, but for the rest of us that live here on planet Earth, we have an expectation that we will have an election soon. And that we will get someone new and hopefully that new person is a Democrat. So what he did, though, was so classic dictator in terms of the propaganda, right? Setting up Albrecht Garcia.
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So he's dressed very casually like he would be on a normal day. They have him wearing a hat to cover up the fact that they've shaved his head. And they put out the drinks, the so-called margaritas, right? And Van Hollen said, which I thought was a very interesting detail, that they made sure that Albrego Garcia's was a little bit less full than Van Hollen's.
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So it looked as if he had actually been enjoying alcoholic beverages. And originally they had proposed them meeting by the side of a pool because that photo op would have obviously made, you know, the right say, well, this is like paradise. Yeah. Right. The guy's just hanging out by the pool, sipping margs with his hometown senator and everything's fine. Liberals get over it.
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So Van Hollen, you know, is very clear about it. We didn't touch anything, made sure that they met in a more official looking room. And I thought. One of the things that he said on the Sunday show circuit, Van Hollen, was really important because people were pushing him. Dana Bash was pushing him. Shannon Bream pushing him. You know, is this guy MS-13? What's the real story here?
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And he said, I'm not vouching for the man. I'm vouching for the man's rights. And there are going to be people who deserve to be deported that have been sent extrajudicially to CCOT. And they deserve to go in front of an immigration court and for them to deem that they are in a gang, that they have committed crimes, and then send them out of here. But everyone's brain is so broken.
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because of how fucked up our politics are, that they can't just acknowledge that a president, of course, has a right to deport, but this is not what's going on here. Obama, Clinton, George Bush have sent millions out of this country. No one is refuting your ability to deport.
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But if you can't tell the difference between being sent to your home country and being sent to a life sentence in a foreign gulag, then I think that it's beyond repair. And that's what I'm really concerned about. You know, as a Democrat, always up for the self-flagellation, you know, what did I do to make this outcome happen?
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And they will say, well, you let millions of people stream across the border. Right. I think as eight point seven million is one of the counts, though I saw there was a CBO estimate that actually reduced the deficit by nine hundred billion by having those people come in here. But that's neither here nor there. So Biden lets in all of these people and they now think.
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that they have license to do whatever they want because two wrongs make a right, I guess. I thought it was, you know, an eye for an eye, it makes the world go blind, etc. And I don't know if that is actually fixable.
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And the New York Times did an interview with 13 independent voters who had gone for Donald Trump and, you know, about how they think the administration is doing, talking about tariffs, Elon Musk, immigration, etc. All of them used pretty harsh language for some aspects of how Trump is governing and talking about, you know, being depressed, sad, etc. Not a single one would change their vote.
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So there was an openness to whatever the night was going to bring that I thought was really good. And he's a pretty stiff guy, right, traditionally. You don't... Like, he has these moments where he does fun musical stuff over the years, but in general, it's not... At least it's not the perception that I have of him that he is a really chill, laid-back guy.
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And this 29-year-old Black construction manager, I thought this was really important or explained a lot of what's going on. He said that the second term is much more about power and loyalty. And then when pushed About how he feels about that, he said, although there are some hard decisions, a couple of friends that have been deported, stuff like that.
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So I'm sad at the same time and also not regretting my vote. So these are people who have friends that are being deported and are still saying they don't regret their vote. I think Democrats are doing a little bit of an idiotic dance about all of this. If you're thinking in pure electoral terms, and there is a moral argument, obviously, to be being made about this.
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But I feel like this is going to go on for months and Trump is still going to be leading on immigration by 10 points.
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Like where it rhymes?
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You know, he's not Nancy Pelosi, but he's someone that keeps the caucus in line. He knows how to count votes. He knows what the big topics are that you should focus on, but he doesn't color outside the lines. And it felt like he had a willingness to go with wherever the night was going to take us. So Mayor Adams joke, number one positive.
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Yeah. And that was definitely the vibe that I felt the audience was giving us at the Y, right, where they were saying, I want to get in a tank. I don't want to be on horseback or on a little scooter, that these are, this is war, what's going on. And I was thinking about you mentioning how the first big company, right, that comes out to push back against Trump is going to be a sea change.
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And then I said it should be more than just one, right? You're going to have these universities now band together. And I don't know if you saw David Brooks's op-ed about, in The Times, but he's called, love him, but also he's calling for a comprehensive national civic uprising.
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He says, "'It's time for Americans in universities, law, business, nonprofits, and the scientific community and civil servants and beyond to form one coordinated mass movement. Trump is about power. The only way he's going to be stopped is if he's confronted by some movement that possesses rival power.'" And that's what you're talking about, right?
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These representatives are going, and I should note, another four congresspeople just landed in El Salvador. Max Frost, the youngest guy in the House, is part of that delegation. But I feel like David Brooks is saying something out loud that a lot of us have been discussing around our dinner tables. This kind of like, what can we do and what would an uprising that is meaningful actually look like?
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Number two positive, which I think was the most important thing that we saw, is that he definitely has an awareness for all of the frustrations that Democrats have with the party right now, right? He knows that we have this fine print versus talking in headlines issue. He knows that people generally feel like the electeds are out of touch with the American public.
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Because we have very little at our disposal. And Leader Jeffrey is, you know, saying, well, to enforce a supreme court, you really need the executive branch and we need to look at what would happen to U.S. marshals, etc., like everything. None of that is going to be allowed. The person in charge of the executive branch is the one causing the five alarm fire.
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So what is what are what options are left for us? And I think taking to the streets is. is a big part of it. And we saw that there was this case up in Sackett's Harbor, New York, that I mentioned last week, where the ICE picked up an innocent family and a thousand people came out and marched and that family was returned.
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And though we've seen these, they're not uprisings, but these marches, sorry, I'm like losing my English. I'm like so upset about this. I feel like I can't even find my words and I don't even have people screaming at me as I'm talking. But people are taking to the streets. And I think it does make a difference.
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And I think that is why you see Bukele actually presenting Alberto Garcia and letting Van Hollen see him and knowing that he has to be kept safe at this point. But I really liked what Brooks was suggesting. I don't know if you have a view.
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He understands that people feel as though we're in a constitutional crisis, right? I am still scared, and I think that this is directly related to how enormous I think the threat is of what's going on, that we are not ready to meet the moment. And I'm not even talking about winning back the house in the midterms, right? Like, that is so far away.
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I have no idea what moving on looks like, especially at the same time that they say that they're close to getting this minerals deal done. And as usual with the administration, you have two different signals going up at basically the same time. Rubio saying that and then Vance coming out of a meeting with Georgia Maloney, the prime minister of Italy, saying that we feel optimistic. So I...
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I hope that that I hope Vance is right and that Rubio is wrong. Like no one texted him or, you know, signaled him and said, hey, actually, it's going well over here. But I think that the good news is that we are meeting with our allies and we are not in the Middle East fighting. meeting with the Russians. So this meeting with Ukraine, the UK, Germany, and us, that's a very good thing.
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That makes me feel more optimistic than I have in a very long time. And I'm choosing, because I feel so negative about everything else that's going on, to lean into the possibilities that even if this is just like a straight... pure economics deal that they want those rare earth minerals.
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And even if it squeezes Ukraine a bit, but it keeps us in the fight with them and supporting them with the weapons and the money that they need, that that's where we'll end up. But it's crazy how It's crazy how quickly everything is going.
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But, you know, this new round of scandal around Secretary Hegseth that dropped last night, that there was apparently a second signal chat about your favorite Yemen attack that you sign all your text messages with. But he was in another one with his wife and his brother and his personal lawyer, apparently, where the confidential, the top secret information was being leaked.
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shared came out last night. And then there was also a big op-ed in Politico by someone who was the Pentagon spokesperson, and he was in the first Trump administration as well. So this isn't someone who just got here. This is someone that knows the administration inside and out.
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And he's resigned from his post and wrote this long op-ed about the level of chaos that's going on within the Defense Department. And there have been a few resignations in the last couple of days from Hegseth's immediate team over quote-unquote leaking having to do with— remember when Elon Musk was apparently going to a top-secret briefing about China?
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All of this has been coming so fast and so furious that I'm concerned about what's going to happen next week or the week after that. And so... The acknowledgement of the problem is definitely a good thing. I'd say some solutions and, you know, when he talks about things that we've accomplished and all that, huge rounds of applause.
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And Trump apparently got wind of it and said, what the fuck is Elon doing there? Make sure he doesn't go. So it is nice to think actually that Trump understands that there are some things that Elon Musk shouldn't be in on. But anyway, so Hegseth has pushed out a few of his top people. as a result of that quote unquote leak. But it seems like he's in some degree of trouble.
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It won't be an immediate thing. Trump has said I'm standing by him this morning. That was the latest I saw on Monday morning. But I guess this isn't surprising, right?
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Yeah, I love Jessica.
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People are proud of the things that Democrats have delivered on, but it still felt like there's a bit of a missing link, I guess, between how do we convert understanding what the problem is to actually having a solution that we can implement and get us out of this crisis. quicksand, which is political quicksand is what I feel like we're in at this moment.
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And I'm Jessica Tarloff.
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So it was like a positive and a negative put together. What about you?
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You could have texted me while you were thinking. I was available.
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No, it was a good one. You should actually suggest to them that you could come do it as a TED Talk and you can win best talk of the year again. I'll just- Go on.
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I mean, yeah, I did have—I didn't need the heels necessarily. We could have— Oh, you were so leaning to it.
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I like that you're leaning to that. 5'11"-6'1.5", if we want to be precise. But I would just add to it, besides being bad managers, they're also completely red-pilled. Like, they've taken everything that they've read on the internet— And they just doom scroll all day. And it makes them feel stronger and capable of things that are just impossible.
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Like the amount of things that they've said, I will fix it on day one. So day one to day 100, which we're coming up on, they're going to solve all the world's problems, right? cost of living issues, no big deal. We're going to get rid of DEI, CRT, all this stuff. We're going to end the war in Ukraine in 100 days. We're going to get the hostages back.
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Maybe that was like day 10 that we were supposed to, that are being held by Hamas. And they've created such a powerful internet ecosystem that they're generally impervious to all of these very real things that we're talking about. And that's getting exposed through these, you know, crazy quotes out of the reporting that Trump is saying, you know,
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You know, I could handle being in charge of a recession, but I just don't want to get into it. I don't want a depression. So that's his line. A recession would be fine, but the depression is the issue. And this is directly affecting what's going on with the perception of these universities. And you did try to push Leader Jeffries on the DEI question.
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and just kind of having a better way to talk about how important diversity and equity and inclusion is to making and maintaining the U.S. as the powerhouse that it is. But this will just straight come down to the fact that we're not going to have as many Nobel Prize winners that are coming out of the U.S.
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because people are not going to come here to do their research, A, because the funding won't be here, but B, because they're going to have to be afraid about being picked up off the street, right? They are running around going after anyone that holds a visa. And why would you come to an American university for your graduate work to do it if you thought that there was a chance that DHS had...
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worked with your university to find out if you had participated in a protest or written an op-ed in the case of the Turkish Tufts PhD student, and then that they have license to just throw you in the back of an ICE van? You know, ICE-like customs enforcement, not just a cold truck. I realize every time I say that, it kind of sounds like I'm talking about actual ICE. But
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It's like everything that makes us great, the internet said, was bad or had gone too far. And when your council of elders is Charlie Kirk and Cat Turd and Bill Ackman sometimes, you end up in this preposterous mess. And Ukraine ends up in this terrible position that they're in. And returning to the positivity, hopefully we will continue to help them. But
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Yeah, like there's a reason Germany wants to be friends with other nuclear powers, because we're hanging back here fighting about, you know, Tuskegee Airmen and DEI departments. And they're out there in the real world having to fight these wars.
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Or whose brain is not broken and doesn't understand the real implications of what's going on. I want to say quickly, I know we have to move to the next topic, but on the PhD front and attracting people, one of my... Favorite stories and one of the most interesting things that happened to me when I was in London doing my Ph.D. was going down to Croydon to the home office to renew my visa.
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And I was supposed to get another year to – I was in my defense year. And then I was going to go back home. And I make my appointment and I go. I get my visa back and they've given me five years to remain in the U.K. This is pre-Brexit. Yeah.
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And I went back right away and I said, oh, there's been a mistake because I don't want to be the person that has a visa that I'm not supposed to have, you know, anxiety about they're going to come after me. I'm in a foreign country, et cetera. And the person who worked for the home office said to me, oh, no, it's not a mistake. And I said, well, it is. I'm only entitled to an extra year.
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And he said, no, you got accepted to London School of Economics to do a PhD here. We want you to stay. We want you to work here and contribute. And that's a message that we have never gotten here. I mean, all of the nuclear programs of our biggest enemies, Iran, China, those are all people who have been trained here in the United States that we sent back home. And we just don't get it.
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That was one of the most impactful experiences that I've had in my entire life was that conversation with that home office agent.
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I agree with the representatives from swing districts that actually know what it takes to win. David Hogg went through a life-changing and completely tragic experience having been there for the Parkland shooting, but he has no on-the-ground experience of what it actually takes. to be able to get this done.
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And it's great that he gave the $100,000, but he essentially threatened his own party with $20 million worth of ammo, which is a lot of money when you think about what it takes or what people are trying to fundraise, I should say. And there's a reason that Ken Martin, the head of the DNC, isn't into this, that Leader Jeffries isn't into this.
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And I know that he has specific targets that hasn't been released yet of who he's thinking about. But there's a way that you can talk about our age issue. And look, we were two seats down until the fall because we had a 77 year old and a 70 year old. Congress people, one in Arizona, one in Texas, who passed away. Those are open seats.
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We wouldn't be that much more effective if we had younger representatives in there. You know, God forbid. I mean, they had cancer. I don't want to be diminishing someone's life or their ability to do their jobs. But it's obvious that a 77-year-old, it's a higher likelihood that they're going to pass away than a 50-year-old. And we are moving slightly in the right direction.
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We did have leadership contests for the judiciary, agriculture, where the younger person ended up winning Jamie Raskin and Angie Craig for agriculture, Jamie Raskin for judiciary. But I don't like this.
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And I've never heard David Hogg say anything about how blue dog Democrats overperform by five percentage points and that justice Democrats or our revolution Democrats, which are the far lefties, underperform. by three to five points. That's not part of his pitch.
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And I know you want the fire and you want the fight and all of that, but it's a lot more complicated than just who has the best social media videos. And it bugs me.
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That you had to ignore me the entire weekend. I even sent you good articles. I was like, can we be New York Times link-sharing people and— You were having none of it.
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I'm happy for there to be thoughtful churn. I'm not happy for people to take sledgehammers to the system without fully thinking it through. And young progressives are famous for screaming about how we need this new blood. I'm the right person for it. And their campaigns are anchored in issues the American public does not care about.
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This was an election where the only color that mattered was green, right? You were talking about it. Stop with the identity politics. It's all about money. And guess what young progressives tend to talk about all the time? Climate change. Gun control. LGBTQ plus rights.
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They're not the ones out there with their platform for addressing wealth inequality in a thoughtful way that could actually get implemented. And I'm not talking about AOC anymore. AOC does a very good job. It's certainly in this incarnation of or right. I always struggle with that word like every week. I feel like I have an incarnation problem.
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But my point is, when you go out, look at the Justice Democrats challengers that more often than not are losing their races and the kind of campaigns that they're running. And then think about the campaigns that are resonating with people and are actually leading to wins.
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And I know that a lot of those people, you know, they've been in there too long, maybe some of them, or they're just not as exciting. But the voting public is saying that they're talking about the issues that actually connect with them. and that that's what they want to hear from their elected representatives.
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So that's where I struggle with it because, you know, March for Our Lives, enormously impactful, right? And I would, I think it is an incredibly important and salient issue. It is not driving anyone to the polls on a broad level, right? These are niche issues on a comparative basis. And so if David Hogg's
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criteria for who he's going to invest in has some sort of age component, but also that they have a three-point plan that addresses health care, the economy, and education, I think that that would be much more persuasive than what I've heard so far.
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So you're backing down? Now we're on the same team again? But we should talk to him about it, for sure.
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We've had our moment. I mean, I've already given birth, so I'm pretty sure that I was already a woman. Yeah. But it was awesome. And it was so nice to be in person with you. So hopefully we'll do more of that.
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I should be embarrassed, but honestly, I'm so excited.
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That's your official signature at this point. Can I because I know that we need to move on, but can I say something about the leadership point that you made? Sure. I feel as though we're in an Avengers assemble moment versus we need one guy.
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And there are so many attacks coming from so many different fronts that I think that there is ample opportunity for leaders who are not even technically in leadership position to be able to be taking control, if you know what I mean. Like, I think that having— someone pragmatic, someone knows the mechanics of things, how they actually work.
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I mean, I really got that off of Leader Jeffries, that this is somebody who knows the House rules inside and out, right? And he has good relationships across the entire caucus, from the most conservative members to the most liberal members.
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And those kinds of things are important when you're actually trying to do the business of getting legislation passed or making sure you have the votes for this or that or dealing with internal squabbles. But it really... It feels like I know that you and Tim Miller were talking about, you know, someone needs to start running.
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And I think that that might be a good thing to happen at this moment, that there's someone that you can look to for that. But we are fighting a multi-front war at this point. And so when we think about what you need in a quote unquote leader, it feels different to me at this moment than in previous times, because you need someone who
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Honestly, on like health care and you need someone on immigration and you need someone on the Constitution and you need someone on academic freedom and you need someone on foreign. Like there's so much that's on fire that I think it's. almost too much to ask of one person to be the guy.
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I mean, who's our— Okay, we don't have an FDR. I'll give you that.
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Well, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. I'm not saying... Are they?
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No, no. And we're very open...
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Yeah, well.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was not running for another term when push comes to shove.
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No. We're talking.
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Well, we do need that. I mean, it ended up badly. But Andrew Cuomo's energy during COVID, those daily briefings that became, you know, programming for the entire country, no matter your politics, is something that we need. And we talk about we have a Social Security war room, right? We have like the DNC war room.
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My cliff notes are like best night ever. I had such a good time and I was so nervous. Yeah. I don't do much in front of a live audience like that. It's one thing also, if you're talking to a corporate group, right, that's less than 900 people anyway, usually at least for me. And yeah, You're not trying to entertain that way, right? Like, it really felt as though we were supposed to put on a show.
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SCOTUS Blocks Trump’s Deportation Efforts
We do need someone, and maybe it's Pete Buttigieg, someone who is really good on TV, someone who has good relationships with the press, someone who doesn't annoy everybody, I think is also an important part of this, because you need folks who maybe supported Trump, people in the middle, to feel comfortable with this person. But you do need a daily update on the multi-front war. So, yeah.
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And he needs a job.
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Well, anything times zero, right? Which is none. Yeah, half of zero is— Thinking back to my math days.
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Well, I was actually surprised to see Priscilla Chan was there. She didn't get to be in the room. It was only Lauren Sanchez that got the seat. You're kidding.
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Yes, exactly. Which supports your argument that she's the most powerful person in the world, or that Jeff Bezos is... more valuable to Trump than Zuckerberg is at this point. So he'll have to continue going on Joe Rogan.
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I mean, who doesn't like that look? I didn't think the look for the inauguration was appropriate.
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Well, yeah, she looked great, but I don't think you should have your bra out in the rotunda. I mean, listen, I was probably not the target audience for it. That felt like a... straight guys, look at me, look. It was also high fashion. But I think it was Alexander McQueen. But I should note as well, the fashion was incredible. And I brought this up on air.
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It is very meaningful that all the big fashion houses have now signed on to dressing the Trumps and the Vances. And clearly, Usha Vance is the star of all of this. Her Her fashion coming out, seeing her all done up and how much she was reveling in this and the sweet way that she was looking at her husband with the little kids.
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I don't know if you saw the daughter, the three-year-old toddler had Band-Aids on all of her fingers. Did your kids love Band-Aids when they were little?
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I do. And also, I mean, there's an implicit joke in there about— My humor is not landing.
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There was another way to go with the joke, though, as well, because there was the Hunter's kid that they don't recognize that lives in the South and doesn't get to be part of the Bidens. I thought you were also making that joke. I didn't know about that. But no, it was just an old joke. Wow. But Trump was the one who was falling asleep at the Capital One Arena.
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Later in the day, Biden looked alert, perturbed. and then on his way as he left on Marine One, and then Trump loaned him Air Force One to go out to California for vacation. Okay, that was the positive stuff. No, I generally agree with you.
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I think that the tech billionaires and really just the billionaires writ large, I mean, this is in the administration, there'll be, I think, 13 billionaires, which is the most there's ever been. And I hear from my colleagues like, oh, are you going to say you don't like rich people? No, of course we like rich people.
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But at least we have the decency to just make them an ambassador and not the head of a department that they have no business with.
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Watching, because Trump had this whole long exchange with Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas. And he did make a joke because, you know, everyone was standing and then Greg Abbott's in a wheelchair. So he obviously doesn't stand. And Trump had like a little, you know, funny back and forth with him about it. But he spent... 10, 12 minutes talking to Greg Abbott.
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Greg Abbott was front lines of the border crisis, right? And you can't get that guy in the rotunda, but Lauren Sanchez can be in there or the CEO of TikTok.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you. And it was one of those stories, I guess, on Friday when it started trickling in that this was happening. And certainly over the weekend where I thought, is this because we don't have people up to the job of reporting on this? Or is this a choice that our major news outlets are now making? to not cover him objectively.
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And this is part of the war that's going on within the Washington Post, right? Why so many of their star reporters are leaving the paper because they don't feel like they'll be able to, at least in their mind, cover him objectively and accurately because Bezos doesn't want there to be a slant against him. And... Mm-hmm. Right. There is a spike in harmful behavior.
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Like the inauguration or in my toddler's life.
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Their mental health is completely in shambles because you allow them to be served ads that make them feel terrible about themselves. You let predators into their inboxes and their DMs. I feel like it was only Snapchat really that took it seriously about how many kids were being groomed online on these panels.
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And I think that was the main motivating factor for Mark Zuckerberg to show up on Rogan and have this come to Jesus moment. I mean, he said it was about free speech and censorship around COVID. But I think it's really about, you know, the FTC coming after them and everyone knowing that. the dirty tricks that go on with these huge social media platforms.
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But we need good journalism on this more than ever, because the amount of people that I know who are very smart, informed people who didn't even know about the Trump coin, then the Melania coin. And I mean, this has permeated the entire Trump bubble. I saw there was a pastor who also spoke at the RNC, a big Trump guy. He launched a coin after he spoke yesterday at inauguration. Right.
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So the grift is spread across anyone that is MAGA adjacent at this point. And it feels there's no way to stop it. I mean, there were very obvious ways to curry favor with the Trumps round one. You stayed at Trump International and all of these foreign dignitaries did it and they made sure their staff did.
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Well, I don't know, actually, because I was at inauguration. So all roads lead to Donald Trump's second inauguration. Yeah. Have you even looked at the script? I have two daughters and I went to the inauguration.
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Remember, they had to stay at, you know, his golf courses where, you know, I'll just go to Scotland, check in, let's pay. Trump will see it on the ledger. But now you have what's going on, obviously, in the Bitcoin world or the cryptocurrency world, I should say. But then Eric Trump announced that they're opening a new hotel in Albania.
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Oh, and we're supposed to act like this is normal development, right, for the first family. Well, of course, they have these jobs. He's a businessman. That's all fine. That's all well and good. You know, we used to say like, oh, Ivanka Trump got the patents for her shoe line from China while Trump was in office.
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And Jared Kushner makes a couple billion dollars getting the Saudis to invest in his fund. And we're like, OK, well, these are things that we can spot. We think they're bad. Not enough of the American public thought it was bad enough to keep them active. out of office again. But this will be running out in the public, but underneath the public eye at the same time.
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A lot of people don't understand what's going on. They also don't know that 80 percent of Trump coin was reserved for the family and early investors. And all of that will vest during his first presidency. This wasn't like putting your peanut farm in a trust, right, that we could revisit this afterwards. And no one seems like they're up to the job of dealing with it.
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I mean, we weren't in the Capitol because there were very few people in the Capitol. We had reporters there, but we had two gorgeous sets that were built, one looking at the Capitol, one looking at the White House. And yeah, I was there Sunday and Monday doing coverage. And it was wild. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, I was excited there was a ceasefire deal. I don't know how this didn't happen earlier, since it's the same deal that's been on the table for, what, like eight months at this point? And three phases to it. We're in the first phase, which is in the last 42 days. The big headline that 33 hostages are going to be coming home were not announced.
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Sure, how many of them are alive or dead, but we did see three returned over the weekend, and those reunion videos were some of the most beautiful footage I've ever watched in my life. And I can't believe the strength of these young women who all, thank God, were, quote-unquote, returned healthy.
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Now, what's going on in their minds and the lifetime of trauma that they will endure for this cannot be underestimated, but... Thrilled to see it. I really want those bebis babies, those little redheaded babies better be coming home and they better be alive. I know everyone is on pins and needles waiting for that.
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It's interesting that the deal goes through the rebuilding of Gaza, which is in phase three. And Mike Huckabee, who's the new or will be the new ambassador to Israel, gave an interview talking about a two-state solution. And he said, I'm not really interested in that. And I think for Bibi, music to his ears, right? That's what he wants to hear.
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And who knows how far the implementation of the deal actually goes through. We may just get through phase one and two. And then Israel kind of says, like, actually, this isn't good for us. Or God knows, you know, Hamas starts again because watching the dozens of people prisoners and terrorists, Palestinian, released for these hostages that are coming back to Israel.
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And they're, you know, they're rejoining the fight. Within seconds, there are videos of them back with their terrorist cohort, you know, talking about how they will continue with the plan. So bracing for more in terms of impact of terrorism, but very thankful that there is a deal on the table and it has at least begun being implemented. What do you think about it?
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Yeah, it was like a mega polar vortex with the windchill and the Trump enthusiasm bottled up. When I say pretty cool... I think if something's only happened 47 times in our history, there's something cool about it.
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Well, I do want to say, when I mentioned why didn't this happen eight months ago, I understand why it didn't happen eight months ago. But I wonder, so the key player in this was Steve Witkoff, who is the special envoy in charge of this. He's a real estate developer and investor. And he spoke at the Capital One Arena yesterday at the kind of rally section of Trump's inauguration.
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And it has been interesting to see bonus points for bipartisanship. that Steve Witkoff and Jake Sullivan, leaving the Biden administration, have talked about how this was a joint effort and how important the support has been on both sides of this.
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And I do want to plug Jake Sullivan gave a great interview with Ezra Klein that was much more satisfying than Antony Blinken's interview on The Daily, to say the least. But joint effort, I do wonder, like, Why couldn't the Biden administration get a special envoy like Steve Witkoff, if it wouldn't be Steve Witkoff himself? I know he's very close with Trump.
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I'm not saying that this would have happened necessarily eight months ago, but it feels like we probably could have made more progress than we thought if we had had the right kind of talk and the right kind of people at the table for this. Easy for me to say sitting here, but very thankful for the outcome and the hostage families.
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Not all of them, but a lot of them were on stage with Trump at the Capital One Arena. And it sends a very clear signal about which administration people think is on the side of Israel. And I heard that over and over again.
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No, on stage. He had a little desk and signed them.
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I don't really have a lot that feels good about this. It wasn't. I mean, we have to be conscious of the fact that a lot of the things like cutting red tape, etc., is going to come in the reconciliation bill, or that's how they want it to be.
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Speaker Johnson didn't even want him to rescind the electric vehicle mandate because he wanted to make sure that that could be part of the legislation that should hopefully get passed in April. But... You know, stuff that sticks out to me, obviously, ending birthright citizenship is a huge headline in that.
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And I definitely felt the gravity of the moment, how important it is, and watching the peaceful transfer of power go off without a hitch when everything got changed, you know, just three days before.
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I already mentioned that that means Usha Vance and Kamala Harris wouldn't be American citizens. It's supposed to take effect, I think, February 25th. There will be huge litigation around that. I think we have to separate.
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The EOs into buckets of, you know, ones that are kind of expected, like taking down the Spanish language version of the White House site or taking off the women's reproductive health care government site as like. We kind of knew this was coming. It's shitty and weird, like, especially when you won record numbers of Latino support.
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Like, why do you need to get rid of the Spanish language Twitter account? Right. Designating that America only has two genders, male and female. You know, it was really interesting to see someone like Caitlyn Jenner cheering all of this on and wondering where she fits in all of this. I think that a lot of the border security slash immigration EOs are a really big deal.
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They canceled the Customs and Border Patrol app, which was the legal way that everyone was making appointments for their immigration hearings. Upwards of 30,000 people had their appointments just canceled yesterday. And these are people, by the way, that are waiting in Mexico for their appointments. They're not running wild on the streets of Chicago killing people. They are waiting...
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in proverbial line, right, to have their appointment. I think that that's a very big deal. You removed all of these people or took away the power from all of these people in the Justice Department that oversaw our immigration laws. I think that's a big deal. We're withdrawing for the World Health Organization. That was approved by Congress. He can't do that.
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And that links to our conversation that we're going to have about TikTok. You know, Congress passes laws. They're supposed to be separation of government, three equal branches. He obviously doesn't believe in that, which if you aspire to be Vladimir Putin, I totally get it. The pardoning of the January Sixers, J.D.
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Vance was on Fox News Sunday last weekend, and Shannon Bream asked him about this, and he said, well, it makes sense to pardon people who are nonviolent offenders. And having listened now to a lot of interviews with people who literally did just walk around the Capitol, I mean, you should have figured out that you shouldn't have been there.
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A hundred percent. And that was a major theme of the day, that obviously January 20th, 2021 was, look nothing like this.
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But that versus violent offenders who beat cops, pepper sprayed them, used metal poles against them, riot gear, et cetera, is crazy to me. And he pardoned everybody. And there was an interview, I think on MSNBC, with a guy who had turned in his father for being part of the January 6th riot. And he said he's scared that he's going to come and kill him now that he's gotten out.
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I think there's going to be a huge spike in domestic violence. As a result of this, saw one woman who actually refused the pardon. She said from her time, she had 60 days in jail. She said, I realized what I did wrong and also who's responsible for this in Donald Trump. And I don't want it.
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But that obviously sets an enormous precedent that there are no lines in the sand for people who attack law enforcement. Back the blue, out the door, obviously. That one stuck out. The guy who's the head of the Proud Boys getting out. And then I wanted to ask you about, well, tariffs. He says February 1st, he's going to start a 25 percent tariff on Mexico and Canada.
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Get all your avocados while you can. And then removing the security clearances from all of these former heads of the CIA, directors of national intelligence, anyone who signed that letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. He's yanked security clearance.
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And a lot of people, even folks who like Donald Trump more than me, if that's possible, were citing how gracious now former President Joe Biden and former Vice President Kamala Harris were about this and have been since the transition started with Biden, having Trump over right away and saying to him, welcome home, which seems...
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I mean, I hope so. And maybe it goes down to 10 percent. I just I think in his race to always do the most like I'm going to sign the most executive orders of anyone on their first day in history. You have a lot of bullshit in there. And it creates these outrage headlines, and then you can slip a Trump coin in, right? Because we're all hair on fire.
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Right, totally. But one thing that I cannot look over here about is the nearly 1,660 Afghans that had their resettlement in America canceled because he got rid of these refugee programs. These are people, a lot of them who have American service members, family, people who worked with us during the Afghan war. And... They're up a creek there.
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pretty above and beyond, considering the level of vitriol that's been spewed between them, the level of, I'm going to jail you. No, I'm going to jail you. And then everyone's having tea and crumpets, which probably says something terrible about our political class, that they make us think that everybody is an existential threat to the republic. And then actually, they're just pretty chill.
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A lot of them are going to have retribution coming their way from the Taliban. And this is making one of Biden's biggest mistakes. Right. The way that we left Afghanistan. So much worse. And I don't understand it. If you made it a centerpiece of your campaign that Biden. was a terrible foreign policy president, right?
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And that he, 13 of our service members died and that we left thousands of people that helped us over the course of this long war and risked their lives for us. And now you're just like, F it. You got to stay. I, hair on fire about that one, for sure.
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It seems really bad. And Congress passed a law. I mean, we are now in a new frontier in terms of the separation of powers or returning to the old frontier, but this time more emboldened by the fact that he has four years to try to do as much crazy stuff as possible. And obviously, this was something that started under him. I was struck, and I didn't know this, that
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All of the senators who received the classified material about the Chinese Communist Party's influence on TikTok voted to pass this law banning at 50 to 0. When do you get 50 to 0 about something? And I don't know. I mean, Tom Cotton is raising hell about it. And there are going to be a lot of people who say, you know, well, you can't do this, but who's to stop him?
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And the CEO of TikTok at the inauguration, I think, is meaningful. You know, I get it. There are 170 million Americans on that. There are 6 million small businesses that make their livelihoods off of TikTok. And that's the main argument that Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful, is making for why we need to buy it.
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He has put together a $20 billion bid for it that they don't seem that interested in, probably because this isn't about money. It's about national security. And by that, I mean our lack of national security. But it's extremely scary. And if you have a moment where you can get lawmakers together on something like this, why not go for it? Also, why can't we just make our own?
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I have not understood that
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And I want to hang out with them at Jimmy Carter's funeral. But
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You know, some things are bigger than politics and being able to cover an inauguration like that and to have the kind of access that we had and to be able to walk around a city that was totally shut down for events that didn't end up happening, but filled with tens of thousands of people that came from all over the country and all over the world.
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I would add to that that, unfortunately, this became a bipartisan problem because Biden blinked first on this. He punted it to the new administration. And I think that it's very much indicative or representative of this kind of cloud of disappointment and disgrace to a lot of people that he left the White House in.
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You know, there were a slew of stories that came out over the weekend, big publications, right, in The Times, Politico, The Guardian, all these Dems who now feel emboldened to talk about how they, you know, knew Biden shouldn't have been the nominee, right, and they had X experience with him. And, You know, he's not talking to the Pelosi's. And Joe Biden said we were friends for 50 years.
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And then there's all this infighting. And the time for that was in the public square. Frankly, when Dean Phillips was screaming from the rooftops, you know, if I have to be the guy, I'll be the guy. I would rather it would be someone better. Right. Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer. etc.
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And I fully take responsibility for, I said on TV many times that I thought he could do it when it was clear that he couldn't do it and at least couldn't do it for the next four years, which he's now admitted as much, even though he says he would still win when we would have been absolutely obliterated. But He should have done this.
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He should have not given Trump the opportunity to be the savior or perceived as the savior of TikTok and then to keep it operating for at least the next 75 days. And when you think of how fast disinformation spreads or whatever they want the algorithm to say goes, 75 days is a lifetime. Right. And then it's going to be another 75 days until we figure out a way to.
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It was obviously a foreign influence problem, but this is the first inauguration to have foreign dignitaries there like this, you know, hoping to sit next to Bezos and Lauren Sanchez in her bra and get some business done and get access to the Trump family.
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Well, he wants to also split ownership. Right. He wants this. He had the social post like the 50.
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Well, even if he kicks it to private enterprise, it's going to be private enterprise that he controls. And we just have gone through this whole rigmarole over government censorship, right, of the people. Right. the ultimate free speech advocate, one of the biggest applause lines during the inauguration.
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And we're back at zero or, frankly, less than zero because a lot of people are willfully blind to all of this.
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You have to. It's in the title of the show.
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Kind of.
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I promised a rage. We're raging hard. Yeah. Okay, we'll rage.
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But we have to work together where we can find... normal ways to do it.
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We are great. Thank you. And have a few years before Game of Thrones. Thank God.
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No, you won't?
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Feel free. I mean, it was a story point.
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Well, the whole thing was, excuse me, I also lost my voice there to make millennial vocal fry even worse. So I apologize for that. The whole thing was out of the ordinary because it was inside. I was talking to Mark Thiessen, who is a Washington Post opinion columnist and was a speechwriter for George W. Bush.
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now the greatest Republican president in everyone's eyes because he does oil paintings, right? And doesn't start wars anymore. He was saying that he didn't think that we would ever have it outside again because there's just no way to secure the perimeter for... to make people safe. And that's a massive change in the way that this is going to happen.
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Obviously, Reagan went inside because of freezing temperatures. This was a combination of it was cold, though, around the same as Obama's inauguration, which was outside with two million people. But people are very clear about the fact that there was a real security threat, which I completely believe. There have already been two assassination attempts that we even know about.
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I'm sure lots of plans that have been foiled. So, yeah, I'm sure he was in part concerned about crowd size, real security threats, and then cold temperatures, especially with an older base of people that were going to come for the inauguration. And they did a beautiful job. I don't know if the clips that you saw were of the inauguration itself or kind of the...
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the stories that were going along around on the sidelines of this, but it looked unbelievable. And they had the overflow room, which was filled with people like governors of major states like Texas, so they could fit our new kleptocracy in the main room.
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Well, they're also government officials now, a lot of them. Technically. But that was... There's something... I don't want to say beautiful because it breaks my heart. But there's something refreshing, I guess, about the fact that Trump and Co. don't hide anything.
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Right? It's just like, hey, I'm going to stab you in the front. And when I do, it's going to have Mark Zuckerberg's perm. Right. Or I'm going to have the CEO of TikTok sitting next to our new director of national intelligence, like Tulsi Gabbard, just sitting next to the CEO of TikTok. And we're going to talk about TikTok later in the show.
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But I went to the free press party, which everyone wanted to go to because Dierks Bentley was performing. Saw a lot of interesting people there. But these guys from the Norwegian embassy came up to me and they were like, oh, you know, we love... watching you. And it's amazing also how much of our cable news is consumed abroad.
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That was a theme I met an Israeli reporter from Tel Aviv in the train station. I took the train back and forth, who was like, we watch The Five every day. And I'm like, aren't you guys busier? And he was like, well, this is agenda setting, right? Especially when it comes to what's going to happen with the ceasefire deal. And hopefully that continues to go through as planned.
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But the Norwegian embassy guys came up to me and I was like, what are you guys doing here? They're like, oh, well, you know, we want to go to the party. And I said, are you trying to just not end up like Greenland? And obviously, Norway is a much bigger country and has a lot more going on there. And they said, everyone is just trying to figure out how to navigate. Right.
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Everyone needs to be on the right side of this so he doesn't wake up one day and say, hey, your natural resources are very appealing to me. hey, you're in great strategic position, right, to counter Russia and China. Let's work a deal out, right? I know you're a sovereign nation and I know you pay your bills on time, but... really like what you got over there.
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And that was a major theme of the weekend. I mean, all of the enormous sponsorships from big tech companies that didn't even do this when their candidate of choice, because they were liberal leaning until 20 minutes ago, was getting into office. You know, everything was sponsored by X, Google, Meta, TikTok. That really stuck out to me.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlev.
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Oh, I don't drain it.
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Yeah, and follow directions.
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Are you going to do this every week? But I get the joke now.
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We will start no new wars, but also we're an imperialist nation is an interesting contrast. But, I mean, this leads me to the broader thought process that I was going through over the course of the 48 hours. And I've been thinking a lot about what we did wrong in terms of liberals when Trump got into office and all of the capital and mental health issues
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and well-being that we wasted, right, on freaking the fuck out about absolutely everything. And then this election came around and a lot of people told us it's just not that serious, right? So do you remember, and I don't know who originally said it, but when it became the talking point that you had to take Trump seriously but not literally?
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And so I thought, okay, I'm going to try to take him seriously. Like, think about what undergirds what he's saying, like the imperialist machinations that he's clearly got in all of this. And maybe he's not going to actually take over X country, but what could he do in reality?
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Or, you know, the number of inaccuracies, right, in his inaugural address, then the speech that he gave in the overflow room, which got progressively more like a rally speech where he starts talking about, you know, jailing Liz Cheney, though... I assume he was off script, but it was amazing in the inaugural that he was like, you know, I think actually, you know, we won California.
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I'm going to have them look into it. He's so high off his own supply or whatever you're supposed to say. And I mean, he did become president again. So I guess it's a big day. But if you try to take him seriously and not literally, how do you square that with like the first flurry of executive actions, which are literally the bad stuff that he said? Right. This isn't I'm not coming after Abuela.
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Don't worry. I'm just coming after the criminals. Or why is your hair on fire? Like my hair is on fire because you just tried to take away birthright citizenship from the vice president's wife. Right. Or from Kamala Harris, if this was actually to be implemented and it'll be challenged in the courts. But I don't know how to do this yet. And it's going to be a long four years.
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Yeah, sure.
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It was always going to be a long four years. But what do you think about the take him seriously, not literally, and how to navigate this in a sane way that doesn't make you personally crazy, but also doesn't continue to alienate people who might want to be part of your coalition?
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Yeah. No one cut this, by the way.
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They're so cute. They look just like you. You have kids?
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Because Dean Phillips was clear that he didn't think that he was supposed to be the guy. He wanted Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, Wes Moore, these people that we talk about for 2028, to get in there earlier. But no one was raising their hand.
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And some of that was probably that Biden wasn't bad all the time, that you could have a meeting with him and he would be the same that he was 2019, 2020 when he won the presidency decidedly. But a lot of it seems to have been just abject terror about the wrath of the party and the establishment when it turns on you.
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Well, their reflexes, right, are just completely gone.
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Yeah. You know, you bring your kid out to dinner no matter the time and they fall asleep in the stroller and there's stroller parking and no one's giving you the side eye. It's the kind of stuff I know in life everyone's talking about these falling birth rates. But I was like, do we want a third? Like, am I ovulating? We could do this. And then no dice. There is no third baby.
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We also have to have a serious conversation around the political strategy for navigating the fallout from this book and the continued conversations around the Biden era because it is not going away.
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I work at Fox News. This ain't going anywhere. It will lead every newscast until there's some feedback that the viewers aren't into it anymore. And the viewers are not going to not be into stories about Joe Biden not knowing who George Clooney was, even if that's disputed by some people or that they were going to use a wheelchair or whatever else is to come. And I haven't read the book.
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I've only read excerpts of it. If you have people like Van Jones saying this is a crime against the republic, like the shouts are coming from within the House or whatever the term is for it. I firmly believe that this cannot be allowed to become the main narrative. It just absolutely can't. Like we have a moment where Trump is desperate.
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tanking our economy, where they're pushing through this bill that's going to cut $880 billion to Medicaid. Americans are pessimistic about the economy. We do have an election coming up in 2026. It feels like forever away, but no, it really does feel like forever away. But it is coming. And Democrats and myself included are always up for self-flagellation. Republicans do no inward thinking, right?
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Oh, we lost. Let's move on. Sometimes let's just even continue doing the same exact thing.
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And we'll sit there and browbeat ourselves into oblivion. And that's what fills me with fear at this moment that we're going to, you know, not just take the book for what it is, you know, read it, consume it. Maybe you go see Tapper speak live or whatever. I think it's going to be at the 92nd Street. Why? Next month.
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But that we allow this to become the narrative and don't own our own election campaign because Republicans get to set our agenda. That's freaking me out.
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There's always a path forward in Donald Trump's Republican Party because they only care about pleasing him. So they have a very slim majority, five votes. It was a big setback on Friday when the bill failed out of the budget committee. Chip Roy and four other GOP hardliners voted for the Democrats against it. But lo and behold, Sunday night, now they're for it or they voted present.
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Chip Roy has his moments and then he caves. And that's the story for basically everyone in the Republican Party, save for Thomas Massey, who usually means what he says. They're going to move forward with this. They're going to increase the deficit by $3 trillion if it gets passed. The big cut to Medicaid I already mentioned.
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Now that the CBO has actually had time with the bill, some of these stats that are coming out would send you reeling. You actually can't process how somebody could be for a bill like this. Like people making between $17K and $51K could lose an average of $700 in after-tax income. Those making $4.3 million or more would gain an average of $389,000.
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The bottom 60% of taxpayers would get an average tax cut of $700 under the plan, but over $10 million would lose their health insurance. And I'm pretty sure that your health insurance is worth more than $700 in your pocket. And I guess in a bright spot, if you take them at your word, which is always difficult, this bill is dead on arrival in the Senate.
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You know, Josh Hawley had a New York Times op-ed saying you can't cut Medicaid. Ron Johnson wants more cut. That's my favorite. The people who are like, no, I can't be for this because it doesn't cut enough. But, you know, I'll take it. Susan Collins, Jerry Moran, all the rural hospitals are going to be gone. It's going to wipe out rural medical care in this country. And
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Every once in a while, it's a good time to be a Democrat. And in this case, it is because you have all these Republicans whose feet are going to be held to the fire because they represent rural states. And they've got millions of constituents that are saying, I'm going to have nowhere to go. I won't have health care in the first place.
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But then if I do get sick, I can't even get to a hospital to get the care that I need.
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No, I love Tootsie.
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The cruelty is the point. In every aspect of Republican policymaking, the cruelty is the point. And you're totally right. Contextualizing the deficit in real terms would be an enormous public service that if any of these politicians would like to get on board with, I would certainly amplify it. I want to know about what it means for my mortgage rate.
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I want to know what it means for my grocery bill. I want to know what it means for, you know, how fast my 529 for my kids so that they can go to college is going to grow or be slowed by the deficit, etc. All of that stuff. But I think that you really need to make it as simple as possible. Like, if you do this, you lose this. We can choose a tax cut for the wealthy or nutritional assistance.
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We can choose a tax cut for the wealthy or your Medicaid coverage. We can choose... I mean, remember... I mean, we were sold so many lies during the confirmation hearings, but all this talk about we're going to actually do an audit of the Pentagon. Now Secretary Hicks has told us that. And... Lo and behold, there are no cuts to the Pentagon. They're increasing the budgets.
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Republicans are never going to cut defense spending. That is a lie that they tell you every single time, along with we actually care about the debt and the deficit as well. So I really want Democrats to get like super simple, like pretend you're telling my three-year-old what's actually in this bill and draw that straight line from the tax cuts to the loss.
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Just casually got Tim Cook and Jeff Bezos.
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of services that matter to the lives of the average American. And that's not to say that the Americans aren't getting it. Trump is underwater in terms of how he's handling the economy. This bill is hugely unpopular. But they live only for the day, right? They love the one you're with. They're not thinking about what happens in 26 or in 28.
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They're just trying to cram as much junk down our throats as possible, as quickly as possible. And then they're going to worry about the repercussions later.
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And old rich people.
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Because old rich people still use their Medicare. Right.
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Well, that's a much more limited group. I would give him even bigger than just SDNY. Lobar. But he is a... For people who are attracted to intelligence. There's like a lane. What's it called?
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Elizabeth Shue was my dad's number one crush in the entire world.
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Whoa. And he's dead on top of that, right? He was much older. Not much older.
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I didn't see it, but you're totally right about the investment part of it. Like, just make the economic argument and, you know, I love the cruelty is the point. I go back to it all the time, like when Republicans oppose school lunches. And you think, like, how is that physically possible that you could say it's a bad idea for kids to have food in their bellies?
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Just make the argument then you're so concerned about how well we perform. Guess when you can't do any learning and you can't function? When you're hungry. So just give them a sandwich and let them do better in school. It's always the easiest stuff, like the simple things. And because they're morally bankrupt, they won't go with it. It's a really boring detail.
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No, that's like everybody. But there's like, oh, sapiosexual.
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But I just wanted to note that in the Energy and Commerce Committee last week, they went 26 hours straight, like overnight, and Democrats introduced 33 amendments. And All of them failed, which they knew because we didn't have the numbers.
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But they brought in all of these people who are on Medicaid to tell their stories about what would happen to them or the people who are close to them if the programs got cut. And watching—I didn't stay up all night for it. C-SPAN had great coverage of it.
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But watching democracy actually happening live in front of us and people using the process, I thought, A, this is a way that Democrats are fighting back and at least getting these stories out there again. to amplify.
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But B, if we have that kind of energy across all of these committees and in the press and on all of the social media posts surrounding this reconciliation bill, maybe it gets through the House, but it will be impossible for it to get through the Senate, at least in its current form.
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Well, a lot of people feel like it hurts them in the long term. Like the Bill Gates's of the—obviously, we're talking millions of dollars now, but he's not giving them anything, right? Or they each get a million dollars or something like that?
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Is that why you're so funny?
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And laugh in bed, too.
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Yeah. And also emphasize that we're talking about a difference in a tax rate from 37 to 39 percent. Right. This isn't like we're suddenly going to be rating your coffers at a level that you can't withstand. And I wish that more people rich people would talk about these issues the way that you are, or like, you know, Ro Khanna represents the most billionaires of any district in the country.
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He says constantly, we need to tax the rich more, tax the rich more, and they still send him back. These are not people who are stupid. These are not people who are economically illiterate. They're obviously seeing something more to the story.
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And maybe we should get them on a roadshow to talk about why it's important to support policies that are more evenly distributed across different social classes.
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Why should that stop you ever, Scott? There you go.
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Well, kind of. I mean, we're talking about humanity and this is humanity.
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He's going to start crying any moment now that you've—
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And I'm Jessica Jarliff.
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I know Scott is very interested in kind of the personal revenge tour of this or what could be coming down the pipe.
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No, like what could happen to these people?
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That tour. And I'm buying a ticket for that tour, no matter how much it costs.
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I apologize. I feel like this is our first time.
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Well, he's already here.
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A couple of things that I'm curious about, not so much on the individual front, but I hear a lot of the courts are doing their job right now, at least when it comes to policy issues, especially in the realm of immigration, where it feels like, you know, every level from local judges up to the Supreme Court are saying, no, you can't do this or you can't be using the Alien Enemies Act, etc.,
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How would you rate the level of pushback or effectiveness that we are seeing from the courts right now on the policy front?
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Good. We have some good news. I'm just curious. I imagine you're still close with it, certainly in touch with people still at SDNY or, you know, from your former life. How do people who are in the business of doing justice, which is what your book was called, feeling right now about getting up and going to work and figuring all of this out in the Trump era? Yeah.
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I'm great. I'm refreshed from my vacation.
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And I don't know how much you can say about this from a personal perspective since you're working in this field actively. But how legitimate do you think individual lawyers or firms' fears about continuing on with the good work that they're doing are warranted or justified in this environment?
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I have a very good friend who represents undocumented immigrants here, mostly Venezuelans, a lot of Ukrainians. And She's very scared to continue her work as they set about essentially criminalizing practicing law.
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Well, it's incredibly sad to hear that he has cancer. It's something that touches all of our lives. I lost my dad to cancer, and reading that it's a very aggressive form that's already permeated the bones, that's terrible news all around. And I hope that he and his family are able to spend some time tuned out from what is to be a
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It was really good. Well, traveling with a three and one-year-old is brutal. And I have many thoughts on how much nicer it is in Europe vis-a-vis having little kids like They don't make you feel terrible about it. And at the airport, there's a special line for families that are just like covered in strollers and diapers. And you feel at one with those of you who've taken the little kid plunge.
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She's a huge fan and she's definitely listening, so she'll be excited to hear your encouragement. Good. One last question. We ask all our guests this. What's one issue that makes you rage and one thing that you think we should all chill out about?
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savage week in politics because of the release of this book and the Robert Herr special counsel tapes that came out as well. And a lot of people are jumping on that bad wagon. So I hope that they can find some time for themselves. And I trust that they're getting great medical care.
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You too. Thank you.
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It also is opening up this Pandora's box even further about cover-ups and how it's possible that he has progressed so far without telling the public what's been going on. Was he sick while he was in office? Dr. Zeke Emanuel, one of the Emanuel brothers, was on Morning Joe Monday morning and said his expectation would be that He would have had this for 10 years.
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I didn't know a lot about prostate cancer, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm any sort of expert, but I didn't even know that you—it's now advised that you not get checked your PSA levels after you turn 70. He's an 82-year-old man, so has he been not checking this? He has a Gleason score of 9. It goes from 2 to 10, which seems very advanced. They found out that he was sick through a UTI.
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Has he not had a UTI for the past several years? A lot of open-ended questions. And I mostly want him and his family to feel good and secure and get the care that they need and also for this week to not be as ugly as I expect that it is going to be. What about you?
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Well, it would have been President Kamala Harris.
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I think he would be more likely to having at least clocked that he won the second term and beaten Donald Trump again. But people are doing a lot of reassessments of who they think Joe Biden is. And yes, fundamentally a good man. But even the people who love him the most, like there was a very moving piece by Steve Shale.
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longtime Democratic consultant, Florida, worked for the Biden campaign 2020, saying, like, it's a special kind of ego to run for president and to do it multiple times, right? And then to do it even in the face of the headwinds that we're seeing when you are 78, 79, 80 years old, the best thing that he can do is kind of recede from public life.
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At this point, because every interview makes it worse for the rest of us. Like the session on The View where Dr. Jill is still, you know, hopping in when necessary because he trails off or whatever's going on is really bleak.
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But it was a great trip. How was your week?
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Yeah, I agree with you. And I've had multiple conversations around this issue and people push about, oh, you're being ageist, etc. If we're talking about 75, I don't think that's that ageist. If I said something like, oh, you know, you can't even be 60, that would be ludicrous. But if you're talking about people where there is...
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Biology, very clear about how your brain changes, how your body shuts down, that this is what we can expect at that stage in your life. Why would you want that person as the leader of the free world? Or why would you want that person as one of the nine most important legal minds in the country? I think that people will come around to those kinds of conversations.
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The issue is, will the folks who are still filling those positions get out of the way? Because there are all of these older Democrats that are retiring, like Dick Durbin, right, who's, you know, passing the torch, Jeanne Shaheen, etc. And then you have someone who has the stamina and energy of a 30-year-old like Bernie Sanders, but in his 80s, who's not slowing down or stopping.
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The inconsistency on this issue is what's really difficult for me because there are people that you can point to, like a Joe Biden, who seemed very fit, right? He's out riding a bike. He goes for jogs, et cetera. And then you read some of the coverage from Original Sin from Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's book, and you see moments of a completely different Biden.
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And I've been struggling with this personally because I do feel guilty. as someone with an important role in the media. And I defended Joe Biden. I certainly was honest about what I was seeing, you know, like if he was falling or going in a weird direction. I never got into that's a cheap fake or a deep fake, for instance.
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But certainly once that State of the Union speech came around where he went for like an hour and a half and then he was doing the rope line and making fun of Marjorie Taylor Greene and owning the room. I was like, Biden is back. And that's when Ezra Klein changed how he felt, Matt Ecclesiastes, etc.
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But perhaps I shouldn't have thought that Dean Phillips was out of his mind or been part of a chorus, more like what you were talking about, where he said, it's okay for somebody who might have a serious chance at winning. winning the nomination or at least inspiring the Democratic Party to open their eyes and do some real self-reflection to get in there.
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Megan Rapinoe here. This week on A Touch More, we are live from New York for the Liberty's home opener with an extra special guest, Brianna Stewart. We talk about the Liberty's newest additions, the best lessons Stewie ever got from Sue, and what it was like to be at the Met Gala this year. And of course, we couldn't let her go without asking her about that 2024 foul call.
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Okay. Well, do you want to do a whole show about what it was like with little kids this weekend? Since you don't have the strength to fight me on this. And I can tell you about having my first fight with my husband about parenting in front of other couples. Yeah. with kids the same age. Did you guys ever do this? It's very uncomfortable. And they probably think we're getting divorced.
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So, yeah, it doesn't seem like Schumer being minority or let alone majority leader again is an idea that's long for this world. You know, Hakeem Jeffries basically dodged a question about it. I think Senator Warnock, also from Georgia, made a comment which was basically like, I'm not backing this guy, especially after he hung all of us out to dry.
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There is precedent, and you say, what would Mitch McConnell do in this in 2021 under similar circumstances? Senate Republicans successfully filibustered on a continuing resolution, and they got some of what they wanted. People just want to see the fight, right?
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They just want to see that there is a pulse, and that that pulse understands the existential threat to the constitutional republic that we are witnessing. And I hate to... Be that girl that's screaming constitutional crisis. But all of the evidence is just sitting out there in front of us. And Bill Maher used to always say, it's a slow-moving coup. It's a slow-moving coup.
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This coup is so fast, Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to catch it at this point. Like, when you look at the continuing resolution, and it's a six months, right? That's a quote-unquote short-term funding bill. Think about what's happened in just two months.
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Yeah. Just lean in.
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So then you give them another six months of runway with furloughed employees and bureaus being closed, and you have to go to the absolute worst possible conclusion. And it's not as if the American public isn't noticing that things are going badly. So according to the new NBC poll, the only area that Trump is above water on is his handling of immigration, and we're going to talk about that later.
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in the next block. But people disapprove of how he's doing the job generally, the economy, how he's handling tariffs. You see people like Scott Besant. He's on with Kristen Welker over the weekend. She's asking him about, you know, the market plunging, trade wars, and he says a correction is healthy. Well, this is so easy for people who have over half a billion dollars to say.
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It made me think back to, do you remember Wilbur Ross, who was the Commerce Secretary in Trump 1.0? And he, I think his net worth is about $700 million. And he's talking about tariffs. Again, I guess it's a theme that tariffs are not good for people. And he holds up a Campbell's soup can. Right. And he says, well, people can have soup for a little bit. And it was, of course, wildly out of touch.
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It was Marie Antoinette moment. And we went about our business and we elected somebody else. But now it's like you have 13 billionaires in your cabinet. It's just everywhere. There is nowhere to look for a person with any semblance of a normal perspective on what's going on. And the American public get it.
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Like there was this new stat that it's the highest level of people who think that business conditions will be worse in a year since 1980. So they are smashing records on consumer sentiment going down. This, how will things be for me in the next year? And it's kind of astounding that it happened this quickly, right?
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Okay. We're in a public place. It is quiet. But people are eating. So we're in like the cafeteria part of a Whole Foods having lunch with three three-year-olds and the respective parents. The kids start being really loud. disrupting other people, for sure. There are other kids there, but they're not making noise. They're younger than ours are.
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There was a lot of economic promise coming into this, or at least the average voter felt that way. And it's been a complete reversal. And Democrats are just sitting there
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thinking, like, if I post a video from my car and shout out Mark Warner, I was glad that he started engaging with social media in the 21st century in a way that, you know, people can access it and maybe feel like you're even slightly relatable. But like car videos aren't going to save us at this point. Floor votes are.
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I don't know. We're going to find out. I feel like I have a little bit of interview egg on my face because I talked to Mark Elias last week. The interview went up on Friday, and it was all about how the courts are the only viable backstop for what's going on. And then you wake up. And you're like, okay, well, that's gone. So what do we have? It feels like we got nothing on this.
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And I'm watching Tom Holman, the border czar. He's on Fox and Friends this morning. So we're recording this Monday morning. And he's asked by Lawrence Jones, the host, well, what's next? And he says, another flight, another flight every day. We are not stopping. I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the left thinks. We're coming. So they're laying it all out on the field, right?
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So they're like in strollers, just kind of chilling, but people are working. People are having low conversations. Anyway, they start doing Ring Around the Rosie real loud. My husband has a very low threshold for this. He also reflexively hands over his phone for screen time. I feel like he pushes screen time on my child. But we're also with two other families that don't do screen time at all.
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Going back to a six-month spending bill. That's tons of time in Trump years for them to accomplish whatever it is that they are going after. And, you know, it's a difficult place to be in because, like, I tweeted something about this yesterday, and I said, well, I guess the courts aren't stopping him.
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And Tommy Lahren, who is, you know, a MAGA firebrand and one of my colleagues, we actually get along really well, she responded and said, you know, Jess, I love you, girl, but, like, why are you defending these people? And I'm not defending Trender Awagwa gang members.
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I'm defending the rule of law and the fact that, according to immigration attorneys, there are people on those flights who had legitimate asylum claims and are not in a gang. Like, they've been using tattoos as evidence of someone being part of this gang, which is a murderous gang. And I want every single one of those people out of this country.
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But they're saying, like, about this one person's client that they had the gang tattoos, and she posted on social media that that is not the case, that this person has decorative tattoos, part of the LGBTQ plus community. here with a legitimate asylum claim, and their hearing was supposed to have started last week, but this person was disappeared.
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And there's another person whose hearing was supposed to be today, on Monday, but they ended up on one of these flights heading to El Salvador to one of the scariest prisons that apparently exists on the face of the planet. And I feel so despondent about what to do. And...
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worried that we used all of our alarm bells and all of our words about the constitutional crisis and the end of the republic too early, right? That we were... This was 2016, 2017, and it went through 2020. And then he did actually try to stay past... his sell-by date, right? The voters decided they wanted Joe Biden. He stages an insurrection, gets away with it.
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Now every prosecutor that worked on that is gone. He's going after the lawyers that worked on those cases, etc. But I don't know if we should have just been quiet the entire time. And certainly there were some big swings and misses, right? We should not have done Russia, Russia, Russia, even though the Mueller report obviously did show that the Russians were working to get Trump elected.
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I am not trying to minimize any of that. But it feels like people completely tuned out the argument that he is a threat to democracy. They don't want to hear about January 6th again, which seems like a clear precursor to what we're seeing now. And that we're like, the girl who cried insurrection, and now we have nothing.
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So he starts offering up his phone to my daughter. I'm pushing back saying, you can't do that because these other kids, you can't even give one kid a snack that the other kids can't have. Anyway, it got bad, you know, and the dads were intervening saying, you know, you can't do this. We distracted them with food a little bit, but there was big back and forth.
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Just green card.
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It's the best. I shouldn't say that. Student visa would be worse. He has the best you can have.
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And he said, this is the hill that I am willing to die on. You can't disrupt other people's lives. because of your children. So who's right, who's wrong, who's moving out, who gets to keep the house?
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I share a lot of your same sentiments. And I know this is someone who is completely abhorrent to me. And I I see this also as a major failing of Columbia University that could have nipped this in the bud last year. Yep. They're doing the same at Harvard. I saw that they're taking $800 million in USAID grants from Johns Hopkins, which is the biggest employer for Baltimore writ large.
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And there's no accusation of an anti-Semitism problem at Johns Hopkins. They just don't want people to be able to continue with their research grants. And they say, oh, we have to maintain that we're going to be competitive with China and the rest of the world. Well, why don't you just take away our innovation, which is happening in all of these labs that have NIH funding.
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And it's as someone who believes in higher education, was part of a quote-unquote elite institution for my PhD work, taught there, loves the ivory tower, even though I accept that there are problems with it, this is gut-wrenching. And I worry about about the fact that the people that we're seeing going to the mats for are folks like Mahmoud Khalil.
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And I know that the point of the First Amendment is that it's not about the speech that you like, it's about the speech that makes your blood boil. And that is exactly the kind of speech that this man engaged in. But I really wish that the administration would go out there and find the law that he violated,
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the law that's on the books for that, or even the Columbia University laws that he definitely violated. Because what went on last year at Hamilton Hall and that Jews were prevented from going to the library, to their classes, to their Chabad's, that seems like grounds for him to have been kicked out of school. So we have to retrace our steps.
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And all of this is making Marco Rubio, who gave a pretty impassioned defense of what the administration was doing, seem pretty sane. Like, this is the hill that you want to die on for this guy who sympathizes with a terrorist organization that is at this moment holding Americans hostage. This isn't some group that has no relevance to our lives right now.
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There are Americans sitting in tunnels in Gaza. God knows what has happened to them over the last, what is it, 450 days now at this point. And we have to be on the side of this guy. Now, we have, I guess, good company. Ann Coulter is with us now. Eli Lake, someone who really hates Mahmoud Khalil.
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No, they're not. Those are... They're lovely and their kids... aren't addicted to screens. They don't, you know, yell out for Moana in their sleep.
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came out and said as well, you need some law that the guy broke in order to take away a green card, which is basically sacrosanct, on top of the fact that he's married to an American who's eight months pregnant, which creates a lot of sympathy for the situation. But I was taken, there was, it was just a White House official.
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There was no name attached to it, but there was reporting in the Free Press last week where this official told the Free Press reporter, essentially, we don't need to say that any law was broken. We're just going for aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. And the American public gets that.
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And I think when push comes to shove and when you look at those immigration numbers, that that's the only area in which Trump is above water. I think it's a 55 percent approval in the new NBC poll that I think that they're going to win this one. And he is not going to be a sympathetic figure anymore.
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for many people kind of in the moderate middle of this who are looking for examples of people who they don't think hold beliefs that run counter to the american project who are not siding with violent terrorists that are holding us captive at this particular moment and think that october 7th was a day of love right and that there was nothing wrong with this and you know they're
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Anti-Zionism certainly steps over the line into anti-Semitism, which is what was going on in these campuses and continues to go on on a number of them with these spineless leaderships who sat in front of Congress and basically said, we're not going to do anything when we know if this hadn't been about Jews and it had been about Black kids, trans kids, gay kids, etc.
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they would have been shut down in minutes. There is no chance that they would have been able to go forward. And so it's complicated, of course, and I'm torn about it, but I'm looking at this as the precursor for what they're going to continue to do. You know, they reportedly... held a green card holder at Logan Airport. Did you see this story?
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A German who's been here on a green card since 07-08, married to an American. He's an engineer. According to his mother, they detained him, put him in an ice-cold shower. There's no evidence that this guy is sympathetic to anything that runs counter to the United States. And no one is safe. They should really just change this to, we only want natural born citizens plus Elon Musk.
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And if you have a green card, That doesn't mean anything to us. And we're going to completely rewrite the way we do immigration law in this country. Asylum, get over it. It's done. It means nothing. There are no legitimate asylum claims. And Tom Holman is the king.
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I'm totally with you. I'm noticing the higher education trend myself that Parents are saying, oh, we're going to look at University of South Carolina. We're going to look at Clemson.
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Wake Forest, yeah. People love Vanderbilt, UNC Chapel Hill.
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That feels right to me. Not just on this point, but the way that academia and higher education has been going, it's exclusionary. It's not... providing what it purports to, right? You know, people think it's the golden ticket, right? That you got to the Wonka factory and your life is going to be set. But guess what? The only thing that makes your life set is hustle and reading and preparing.
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And you're seeing that more and more in these high positions, everywhere from investment banks, law firms, down to, of course, like the tech and the startup world, where it's just how hard you're going to work, how good are your ideas and how intense is your grind. And by the time my kids are going to college, you know, I went to private school here in New York City.
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I went and talked to who's now the head of the school, prestigious, progressive institution. He was like, it's not even necessarily going to be a requirement by the time your kids are going to college that you have to be thinking about this. Because I said, I have two little Jewish babies, right? what am I going to do, right?
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I'm not going to send them off to Harvard or Columbia under these conditions. Even if there aren't protests in the streets, the academics have shown themselves to not be interested in treating Jews equally to the other kids that are there. And he said, Jess, don't worry. It's going to be a completely different game by the time your kids are going.
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And you're going to see it even on the tour that you're organizing for your son. Schools that you wouldn't have even thought of that you were going to go and consider, he's going to be dying to get into. Say like, this is the right place for me, both academically and socially. So maybe that will be a silver lining in all of this.
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But these huge endowments, Harvard with what is it, $50 billion are sitting on?
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They should start paying for all these kids to come for free. Now is the time. If the government's going to take away your funding, you say, you know what, we're going to go it alone. Get rid of all the anti-Semitic professors.
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Get rid of the kids that are ruining the quality of life for other students, clearly violating your policies, and put that money back into the system so that the smart kids that are going to be the leaders of tomorrow can come there without landing themselves in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for the rest of their lives and make this a bit more of an equal playing field.
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It was good, and I guess I'm wrong, so there we go.
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Well, I think that Oval Office debacle actually did something. It moved public opinion in how Trump is handling this. So that week of calling Zelensky a dictator, saying he only had a 4% approval, and then that back and forth in the Oval, you know, first with J.D. Vance and then with Trump, obviously has people soured a bit on this approach.
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And, you know, with Russia saying that we're making progress, that's BS to me. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them, which would be zero feet anyway. And there is no evidence that they have... compromised any of their positions. They're still at the maximalist position in all of this. And so all of the compromising is going to have to come on the part of Ukraine.
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Now, Zelensky has been signaling for months now that he is willing to make some concessions. He even said when he was speaking in Kiev a few weeks ago, I'll resign right now if it means that we can put a stop to this and that we're going to have the security guarantees that we need. So I basically just don't believe it.
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I think that Zelensky continues to be between a rock and a hard place, having to negotiate with two forces that just want this over with. Putin, and he wants to get whatever he wants, and us, that wants this mineral rights deal, which is going to go through, and... If there's a tentative ceasefire, they're going to break it. You know, Putin and Medvedev come out and say, we're making progress.
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And that night, there are 27 drones launched into Ukraine. So spare me, basically, is where I am.
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Thank you.
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He also grew up hypersensitive to this, apparently. So I and I get it. My dad used to just pick us up and take us out of restaurants and say, like, Judy, my mom, you know, get the check. We'll be outside. And that's the end of it, which I would have understand. I mean, this wasn't, you know, like a high end restaurant. We were in the public space at Whole Foods. But I take the point.
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I just want to add quickly to that, that while I share those sentiments and as someone who spent a lot of time living in a former EU country, but I have a deep affection for the European project. And I think it's incredible. that you could design something with the free flow of humans and goods and that we're all the better for culture sharing and economic sharing, etc.
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But all of these silver linings or all of these good things that are happening are happening for somebody else besides us. And that feels terrible. I don't ever want to be rooting against... my own country. I don't want to be rooting against my own government.
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And in every single conversation that we've had today, that has had to be a stipulation in this, that I don't want to be seen to be on the side of Venezuelan gang members. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of violent anti-Semites. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of the US not having the important and
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central role that we should be playing in geopolitics in favor of a stronger eu or a chance for ukraine to be able to survive as a sovereign nation it's i think i said it used the same word at the start of the podcast i just feel despondent about all of this and it makes me feel a bit like a I think it's the most fantastic country on the planet.
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And there's just so much that has made me feel sour about the way that we're behaving and what the future looks like for all of us here.
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Anyway, we ended up in a good place. And I appreciate your sexism when it's going in a feminist direction that you should try to always hang in that direction. But anyway, that was basically my weekend.
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Me too.
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I love it. He's listening. So there you go, honey. Love you. See you at home.
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Three and not even one. Have we met?
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Oh, you did? Okay, that's a Mexico hangover joke. Okay.
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I know. There's a very, I don't know if it counts as a meme. I don't know what the definition of a meme is. But anyway, something that was passed around on social media about, How parents spend their days just praying for the kids to go to sleep. And then we just lay in bed looking at cute pictures of them all night until we fall asleep.
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Yeah. It's very sweet and very accurate.
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I would love it if Daniel Patrick Moynihan could come and chill with us.
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Rough patch. Yeah. I'm so excited. I grew up. in the city here and the 92nd Street Y has always held, you know, some of the most interesting and exciting programming and where everyone wants to go to be able, if they have a book coming out or for serious conversations on what's going on, future of the country, and was totally floored when they sent the email. Remember, I didn't know.
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It was like... When a boy that you like texts you and you think like, how long should I wait to reply? When we got that email, I was like, is four seconds too long to wait with the unequivocal, yes, I will do anything to do this. It's a little daunting for me because we did a live show right after we launched with like 100 people.
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This is many more people than that, but you say it's going to be fine. So I'm just leaning in to your experience, but it feels very special and exciting.
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And I hope if whoever's listening, if you guys are in the New York area, that you'll get tickets and come see us live at the 92nd Street Y. Yeah, just as a moment of excitement, let me just relate that or make it relatable to the 98% of us that weren't really attractive in high school.
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I'm very upset. like most Democrats are. And that's not because I don't think that we ended up in the correct place, because the calculation was, what's scarier? The government being open and them operating the way that we know, which is very bad, but we have an insight into it, versus the government is shut down and then they get to make the decisions on absolutely everything.
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And it doesn't become Donald Trump's government. It doesn't become Elon Musk's government. It becomes Russ Vogt's government. The guy who's running OMB. The guy, the Project 2025 guy. The guy who... is the most dedicated to destroying the federal government, I think, of anyone in this administration. And he would decide who's essential and who's not. He could close entire bureaucracies.
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And Democrats were worried about, well, how are we even going to get these open again? What is the path forward? So I understand the conundrum, and I think ultimately probably Schumer was right that the devil you know is better. But the way he went about this was totally feckless, totally spineless. He screwed over his caucus.
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I mean, just 24 hours before he said that he was voting for the continuing resolution, he said they don't have the votes. And then all of these moderates, all of these Democrats that are in swing districts up for re-election, like John Ossoff in Georgia, for instance, came out against the continuing resolution, thinking that this was a unified front like it was in the House.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlov.
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There was only one Democrat in the House, Jared Golden from Maine, who voted for it. Hakeem Jeffries had the caucus absolutely in line in this. And I think it's ultimately, and we're almost broken records about this, there's such a tremendous messaging problem about this continuing resolution. If you went out and asked people on the street, what the continuing resolution is.
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Obviously, most people would say, I don't even know what you're talking about. But the people who did know would likely tell you that this was a clean continuing resolution and that it was just an extension of the Biden-Harris spending plan. That is absolutely not true. It's chock full of cuts that we don't want, things, you know, to veterans, Social Security benefits.
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It's giving them more and more authority. You know, we know that the executive is after having full control of everything. They don't care about oversight. They don't care about congressionally appropriated money, etc. But... That's the going narrative on this. I'm seeing it on social media from smart people, actually, who usually are paying attention.
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They're like, well, this is a clean CR and we'll deal with it in September when it's up, when they're going to try to jam through their trillions of dollars in tax cuts and take away nearly $900 billion in Medicaid funding. The way that the Democrats played this, or Schumer played this, it was like it was a surprise to them.
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We have known for months that March 14th was the drop-dead date on this, that that's when this vote was going to happen. And it's like they woke up four days before and were like, oh, holy shit, something's happening. The House is on fire. How did you not spend months recasting the continuing resolution as, you know, something like... The Doge Act, right? Or, I don't know, give it some fancy name.
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You're the branding guy. Maybe you can come up with something better. But how did you waste that opportunity? And then how did you not also have your own continuing resolution to put forward to say, okay, let's work together on this. Spending the government should be bipartisan, which is one of the lines from one of Schumer's speeches, maybe when he was wearing the really bad suit.
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And you say, all right, if you guys are going to maintain this as a clean CR, let's show you what an actual clean CR is and force them, force them to accept some amendments that keep the government, you know, reflective of at least how it has been, even though that's not ideal. And so we missed on absolutely every opportunity. The voters are incensed to a crazy level.
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The Democratic approval is the lowest it's been in 30 years of polling, 29 percent or something. And 65% of self-identified Democrats now want our elected officials to stick to their positions, even if this means not getting things done in Washington.
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That's a complete reversal of what we saw coming into this where people were saying, you know, pick and choose your spots, work with them where it makes sense. Now they're saying this is war.
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I mean, this is heavy for the banter section. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I'm good with it.
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It's difficult times. No, I don't want to talk about... I mean, if you want to talk about Mardi Gras and hiding in your house, we could do that. Do you really think that they're snoozing or we're not paying attention?
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It's just such a big failure when you think about how core Biden made it to his reason for being, right? Right. I mean, part of it was I have to get you all through COVID and I can be America's grandpa and I'm the most empathetic man you ever met.
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But it was also like this return to normalcy and, you know, people's lived experience was just so not commensurate with the world that he was talking about that they were just like... F you. Right. I'm out.
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I would even say that the quality of the messaging wouldn't have mattered as much if it was happening as more frequently, that people actually just want to physically see you. And then their minds run wild. And obviously there are people who are feeding this that are like, oh, he's not here because he's dead, but he'll be awake at two o'clock and then he's going to die again.
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Yes, be everywhere all the time, even if they don't like you and their feed. I have this conversation constantly with people. I'm like, oh, but the engagement is so mean. And they're like, but it's engagement. Like, that's what Trump understands. Like, all the hate comments, they're still thinking about you. You're still living, what did they say, like, rent-free in your head?
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I want to talk to you about the AP, but just really quickly, did you, I shouldn't say did you make anything because it obviously is a big deal, about the State Department taking down the statement that they, that we do not support Taiwanese independence? And, like, that feels... Like it's flying in the face of the way that we're moving with Russia, because obviously that's China's red line.
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That feels like signature Rubio to me, who's such a big China hawk. Do you think anything's going to come of this or?
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All right. So we've got a rogue Rubio moment.
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He benefits from us being.
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Yeah, like let them put whatever they want on their silly website about cooperation with Taiwan. Okay, moving on to something else sad. I want to talk about the AP getting banned. So they were kicked out of the press briefings and then they weren't allowed, a photographer and a reporter weren't allowed on the presidential plane. And there was a big,
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It feels so lame to say there was a big explainer because it wasn't even like a real piece of journalism. But I got a nifty newsletter from Axios talking about the kind of history of this administration's objections to the AP. And basically, they're mad that the AP style book has used terms that they hate too liberally, like gender, DEI, inclusivity, etc.,
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I'm old enough to remember when the other news stations stood with Fox News when the Obama administration wasn't going to let them in to do a pool briefing with a representative from the administration and basically ABC, NBC, CBS. They all said, if Fox can't do it, then we're not doing it. And then they let them in begrudgingly. But it doesn't feel like that moment is happening at all.
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Like, everyone is bemoaning the fact that the AP is being excluded, but no one is doing anything about it. It's like a pretty obvious, we A, don't know what the First Amendment means, and B, we don't care. And we're running this like the Wild West.
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I think resonant yelling is the trick for that one because I have seen some yelling and I have hated it.
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And they're not going to.
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Singing, yelling.
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No, they definitely just want to get in as many kind of gloating laps early on. I think that they know that it just gets more and more complicated. And certainly as we head into special elections and the midterms and things like that, which hopefully Democrats will perform better than we did.
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I think they can look to past administrations and say, okay, you know, your first two years are when you can actually get things done, right? They have control of everything. They're definitely trying it on. Right, to the largest extent possible. You know, let's ram through $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. Like, let's try to cut all of these entitlement programs.
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Now, they realize that they're not going to get their wish list of all of it, but they are at a moment where they're owning the culture. And so I feel like they're just taking advantage and saying, okay, well, if we have ingratiated ourselves to a segment of the American population that wouldn't have given us their time at all four, eight years ago, let's really go for it.
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And you can tell that also in the attitude that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, has about everything. I mean, she's so haughty and arrogant in the way that she delivers everything, which, listen, I wish that I had more of that in me. I wish I didn't have such a terrible case of imposter syndromes. But, like, to be 27 years old and to walk up there with that, you know... It's a fact.
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It's the Gulf of America.
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Right. Or, like... Every man in Gaza is wearing a condom that we paid for. Well, actually, no, no, that's not true. In Mozambique, there are some condoms that got sent, you know, and it's the Trump bravado that if you say it a certain way, there's at least a good amount of people that are going to believe you. And I think that they're living for the moment, right?
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Yeah, we're getting lapped by the YMCA. So you got to think about that.
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It's like a YOLO administration at this point. And until there are real consequences, I think they're going to go for it with everything. I mean, the APA is calling Mount Denali Mount McKinley right now. I mean, they're doing half of the crazy thing.
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Well, you don't even want it back, right?
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Well, there are owning infrequent voters that are 18 to 40, right? And those are real culture vultures. Those are people that are listening to podcasts. Those are people who are concerned about all of the dyes in our food. Those are people who are picking schools for their kids to go to and are disenchanted with the public school system. And
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wanting to get away from feeling like they have to use gender pronouns on their email signatures. I mean, these are real things that folks are thinking about. And so I don't know if owning the culture is the right way to put it, because I still don't think that Kid Rock is cooler than Jay-Z. That will just never happen.
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I can't. I can't fight the 40, and I'm 41 in a couple of weeks. No, but Kid Rock was on Bill Maher on Friday night, and I found the interview really interesting. I mean, it was, first of all, I had forgotten, I guess, that he played Obama's inauguration in 08. And he was like, it's not as if I liked Obama then. You just show up and you do this. But he was essentially mocking us for...
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like liberal leaning people and you new to this side of the fence, but for freaking out about everything all the time. And I do think that they are owning the culture by making it clear that majority of people feel like it's just not that serious. Yeah. Yeah.
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Welcome back. Mayor Eric Adams just got a legal lifeline, but it came from the most controversial figure in New York politics, Donald Trump. The Trump administration's Justice Department dropped Adams' corruption case, but in a city where Trump remains deeply unpopular, that reprieve could be more of a political liability than a win.
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Now Adams is facing accusations of being in Trump's pocket, especially after appearing alongside Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, and making moves that align with the president's immigration policies. Meanwhile, the case's dismissal has sparked a crisis inside Trump's DOJ, a mass resignation of prosecutors, including one who accused DOJ leaders of looking for a, quote, fool to take the fall.
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Have you been following that? Probably not as closely as me.
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That's Federalist Society for maybe raging moderates audiences are not as in it as the bulwark who are like FedSoc.
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No, probably not.
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Yeah, I was into it. I had been feeling starved, I guess, for some old-school intellectual resistance, I guess. Not people out there with a sign, you know, like, hands off my whatever. I'm okay with those signs, too.
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Yeah, I like them, but they're not getting us really anywhere at this point. But it feels like... What they're doing is because it's a harbinger of bad things to come. So the Adams case itself, or at least what we know about it, you would expect more, I guess, in the indictment. He definitely broke the law, and I thought that Sassoon's letter was, you know, very specific about that.
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It's a pretty good upgrade.
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And that does matter to people that are career prosecutors who take the law very seriously. But to me...
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I felt a little bit of a, if you think that we're just going to roll over for all of this from, like, the lighter fare of this, which obviously has very real implications for New York City politics and national politics even, but that they're scared of what this administration is going to be asking them to do. Like, Pam Bondi will see us all as...
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Did you watch any of the SNL 50 stuff?
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folks that are ready to just line up and rubber stamp whatever is to come. And they can't help the fact, even though Bondi was one of the lesser controversial nominees, which just speaks to how crazy the set of nominees were. But, you know, Pam Bondi was all in on the 2020 election, was rigged out there front and center on that. And to me, it felt like a little bit...
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Of a cry for help or at least a signal of we can't be there for whatever they are going to try because they've spent so much time bemoaning, quote unquote, lawfare. And it is very clear that they are looking to weaponize everything back for their own benefit.
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He took away the notes.
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Yeah, though you do need good people to stay. I said a couple of weeks ago that it's going to require thousands of Mike Pence's to make it through whatever is to come over the course of the next four years. So I agree with you. And I think it also matters that this is happening so early on. I can't believe we're only in the beginning of the fourth week of this.
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but we are going to need people who are interested in the rule of law in a traditional sense, not in the rule of law just because I said so in Napoleonic-slash-Trump terms to reference his weekend tweeting, which did not feel like him at all. I don't know. That felt more Musk.
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It's accredited.
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Or Stephen Miller, like someone got control of the phone for a second. I don't want to belabor that Adam stuff that much, but part of the deal...
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that I guess he's made, which he claims he hasn't made a deal with the administration, but it's quite obvious since he had to sit on the Fox & Friends couch and be humiliated by Tom Homan a couple days ago, but is that they'll be easing or he's going to try to ease sanctuary city laws as it applies to Rikers.
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Prison rape is always a highlight. I said multiple times to my husband that I can't believe this show is happening. Like, if it weren't the SNL 50, there's no way these jokes would have made it in. But I'm pretty sure everybody showed up and they were like, we are not playing by 2025 standards. We're playing by whatever year we were actually on the show. And...
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And the way that sanctuary city policy works in New York is that ICE can't be near the prisons. And the reason that that's the case is not necessarily that we don't want criminals to be deported, but it's because they could pick up people who haven't actually been convicted yet, people who have just been charged and not gone through their due process, which they're entitled to.
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Do you have any views, kind of thinking about... the macro issue that I think liberals are finding themselves in is having been way too lax about illegal migration and even too lax on people who are here illegally and then committing violent crimes on how we should be approaching sanctuary policy.
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Yeah. It's definitely the way that a lot of Democrats feel. You already referenced John Fetterman. You'd be like, why are you wasting my time with this? Right? This is... You're in a privileged position that you got to be here illegally in the first place. And you can just see the...
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next iteration of the Charlemagne ad about giving transgender surgeries for undocumented people in prison being written about something like this. It doesn't change the fact that the city council has to be the ones to revise sanctuary city laws. But I tend to agree with you that kicking up a massive fuss about it probably just allows Trump and co.
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A lot of it was hilarious, but I was overwhelmed by Cher. I don't know if you saw these shots of Kevin Costner losing his mind and Billy Crystal watching this 78-year-old woman look like a 30-year-old woman belting out If I Could Turn Back Time, which I think the gays still have possession of. We still have If I Could Turn Back Time.
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to continue to say that we're so out of step with where culture is.
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Yeah, that leads me to something I've been thinking about in general, about where Democrats show up and stand up and amplifying stories like that on a local level versus in D.C. Like, I don't think any of this should be going on in D.C. I think you need to be back with your people and talking about stories like that.
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There was another one in Milwaukee, which I talked about on The Five, and rarely do my colleagues just shut up. But they were like, oh, my God, that happened, where they took in a toddler, a mom, and a grandmother for speaking Spanish. And someone had to come with birth certificates. They were Puerto Rican.
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To get them out of the detention center and the idea of a two-year-old in a detention center for allegedly, you know, where we're going to be holding people that have committed violent crimes and were here illegally when they're Americans and did nothing but speak publicly. another language, seem to hit the audience hard. Yeah.
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I obviously agree with you. And it's always great when I see others... showing up, not even necessarily to get the clickbait that worked in 2016, you know, how everything was just about owning the other side and there were those huge fights. Now it's like showing up and being reasonable makes even more of a difference because people's partisan lines have been... completely scrambled, right?
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You can't predict it anymore in the same way. And so if you show up like Jared Moskowitz did and you sound reasonable about immigration, you know, he was one of the first ones to say, let me in the Doge caucus, for instance, but then you hold the line about stuff that really matters and it gets amplified like that because he was on, you know, on primetime. They love it.
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They're going to get the clip out into their ether. We'll get their clip out into our ether. And suddenly, you know, Jared Moskowitz is president.
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To the internet. And now to the show. And I'm keeping us on time, which is not Scott's strong suit.
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or even people with that interview in particular, who are big Lex Friedman people, but thought like he went too far in pushing him to say that Russia should get to keep territory that they obviously illegally took. I thought that was, even if it was just for that soundbite, that it was worth the three hours of Zelensky's time to do it.
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I want to get to kind of the future of the anti-Trump Republican faction, but quickly, are you pro-Cuomo, anti-Cuomo? Because he, did you see the ad he released?
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I think you did great. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So in today's episode of Raging Moderates, we are discussing Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine, Trump's lifeline to Eric Adams, and the state of anti-Trump Republicans, your specialty. All right, let's get into it. Big moves on the world stage last week.
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the Valentine's Day ad where he's with all of these older women, mostly women of color, talking about how tough it is right now for New Yorkers, that we can always find a way forward, and that the opposite of hate, the four-letter word that matters most is love. I think it was the phraseology.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. But the amount of normie Democrats that I know who don't like Cuomo for a whole host of reasons, whether it's, you know, the sexual harassment charges or even the management charges.
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Of COVID and lost people in nursing homes and just really wanted an apology for him that he couldn't get out there, just couldn't muster the strength to say I would have done things a little bit differently, which I think would have gone a tremendously long way. They're like, I could use a competent gangster right now. Like the city is in chaos.
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shitty trouble at this point i hate being on the subway and he feels like when you look at adams on the other side of this and you think i'm not going to go for someone as progressive as like scott stringer that he might be the answer um woof all right uh one more it's just depressing it is a little depressing um but one more quick break stay with us Welcome back.
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Before we wrap, and we've already been touching on this a little bit, but I want to get into it more deeply with you. There aren't that many Republicans openly pushing back against Trump's agenda these days. Mitch McConnell, for instance, was the lone Republican to vote against confirming Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
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Trump says he had a highly productive call with Vladimir Putin, claiming that they're now working closely on a Ukraine peace deal. He even floated the idea of a future sit-down with Putin. This all came after Russia released American teacher Mark Fogel, which Trump called a, quote, sign of good faith.
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And Tim, you pointed out on The Bulwark that even The Wall Street Journal's editorial board, usually pretty Trump-friendly, finally took a shot at his economic policies. What do you think is the future for the anti-Trump Republicans in a party that seems like they've given up a bit besides an editorial or two?
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Meanwhile, Kiev is on edge after a drone strike hit Chernobyl just days after Zelensky asked the U.S. for more aid. And in Europe, leaders are scrambling. An emergency summit is set for Monday. So that's today. So by tomorrow, you may have an update. amid fears that Trump's outreach to Russia is leaving them isolated. U.K.
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Do you have any idea about what happened during these confirmations to people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Todd Young in Indiana, or I should say from Indiana, who was really anti-Tulsi, for instance? I mean, is it straight, like, doxing, threatening you with a primary? Like, Bill Cassidy already voted to convict him. So I don't—this idea that
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He promised Cassidy to essentially, RFK Jr., to not be who he is, right? And to say, you can be my dad and you can check in on me every day and make sure that I'm not going to do these things when even the CDC site already has information about the flu down. So obviously that's not going to hold up. Like, what level of threatening or trolling was going on to make people like this...
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lay down and vote for every single one of these nominees.
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Feels like a very unsafe place to test it out. It's fine.
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Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it a once-in-a-generation security moment. Vice President J.D. Vance warned that Russia could face economic and military pressure if it doesn't negotiate in good faith. But in Munich, he took aim at European leaders instead, claiming their real threat isn't Russia or China.
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They're not bad to your face. I've always found everyone is like, I feel so terrible that I've been calling you the C word online for three years. And I'm like, well, stop doing that. And I'm so nice. Do you want a picture?
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Yeah. Unpopular opinion, but I don't think that you have to do everything that the voters want. Like they picked a person who can also think for themselves, who broadly represents their interests. Right. And understands their constituency, but can think for themselves. So if you pick, you know, one of 15 candidates.
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people that you don't think is unqualified for to kind of lay down your marker in the sand and say, your children will be vaccinated, or we will not have someone who thinks Assad wasn't really that bad, that that might be good for you long-term. But I'm also not running for public office.
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It's their own policies on free speech and refusal to work with hard-right parties in government. Back at home, not much better. The White House is clashing with the press again, this time banning an AP reporter from the Oval Office for refusing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. The AP is now accusing the administration of violating the First Amendment. Let's talk Ukraine first.
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You're saying that I wasted my dollars on Sarah Gideon?
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I have a friend who is a doctor and loves politics but isn't in the day-to-day insanity. She'll send me like a New York Times article the day after and she'll be like, can you believe this? And I'm like, I need to talk to you about how fast the news cycle goes. But she'll regularly send me a link to various Democrats and she goes, worth my money? I'm like, well, how much money?
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Like, if you want to be spreading $10 all over the place, go ahead for it. But Amy McGrath is never going to be the senator. That takes Mitch McConnell's seat. Okay. Thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you for joining us, Tim, and the Raging Moderates crew. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinene Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
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What do you think the game here is? I mean, you can start with Pete Hegseth's maiden voyage, which did not go well. And he's walking things back within 24 hours. But what do you think Rubio and Trump and Vance want for Ukraine?
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Bigger than the Trump coin. It's interesting.
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I think that that's how... People can manage it. Well, they just say, OK, we know he's a grifter who does things like this, but it's so much bigger than that. And the trade wasn't publicized at all. It took days for anyone to know if we got if we had to trade anything for Mark Fogel.
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Yeah, I think there was something about shooting values and that you can't do that in Pete's answer. I can't really get to calling him Secretary Hickseth yet. I'm still in Pete mode.
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No, not drinking buddies. We have socialized, but no comment. No, I totally agree with you. And one thing that's been sticking out to me is how quickly... everybody has folded from who they were beforehand. Because at least I was holding on to the idea. I know Mike Waltz really well, the national security advisor. We're in a foreign policy group together.
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Tim, this is the banter section. How are you?
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Marco Rubio has been very clear about his foreign policy views for a long time. And I don't think either of those two would have... ever thought that they would be part of a deal that was going to essentially tell Ukraine, you have no future in NATO and you're never getting back your territory. I mean, even forgetting the pre-2014 lines, even from just a few years ago.
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And maybe that speaks to the awesome power of Trump. Maybe that speaks to the new realignment within the Republican Party. But I don't see anyone in positions of power now that are going to be holding on to traditional American views of foreign policy and our role in the world.
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We will see what the people think. I think they'll be excited to see you. They were super excited when you joined us, but we were together, all three of us.
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What do you think is the likelihood that Zelensky gets his way? So he was speaking at the Munich Security Council and he said, we need an armed forces of Europe. This is after J.D. Vance essentially took a flamethrower to our relationship with Europe. In his speech, clearly, Zelensky does not see us as the top partner opportunity for him going forward.
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Do you think Europe is really going to unify without us?
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Going back to, I guess, we got into ineffective Democrats very early on in the podcast. But I do... Maybe just because I work in communication, I guess, that I always think that there was an opportunity to do better if we had messaged properly about this. And it doesn't feel like we have made the case. This is Democrats and Republicans.
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Like, obviously, you know, Mitch McConnell and the kind of more traditional set have been, you know, screaming from the rooftops at a low pitch. He doesn't scream loudly. so loud anymore at 83, but have been trying to talk about the importance of keeping together the democratic world order and that you need to support countries that share our values.
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Democratic snoozing.
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And it feels like that has just fallen on completely deaf ears and that people have moved to this world where it's, what about me first and can't see the second order effects and if we end up abandoning Ukraine. So do you think there's anything we could have done or this storm, which is taking over the world, right? Was there any way to stop this?
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Yeah, I would love to talk about that. I just wanted to, before I get into it, to note that they have also now taken back, allegedly, those exemptions for the Apples and the Dells of the world.
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Yeah, it's off. I mean, the tariffs are on again. Sorry, were you in the bathroom? You missed that.
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Correct. And Trump posts on Truth Social that it's off. And there is a page on WhiteHouse.gov that is about the exemption. So it did happen. Trump, I don't know if he wasn't briefed on it or if he just decided, oh, the wind's blowing in the other direction. But everything has changed. Again, the calculus for all of these companies, big and small.
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Oh, that is funny. That is funny, right?
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And just to underline the fact that these are the biggest bunch of incoherent liars we have ever had to deal with. And that's dangerous in your personal life. But, you know, economic sabotage on a global scale when it's your government that's doing this. On the manufacturing front.
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Yeah, I remember my driver's test.
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So the argument they've been making is that it's a national security threat to not be able to manufacture all of these things here in America. That's what they came into this saying. I mean, he's kind of had a hard on for tariffs his whole life. But that was the argument that they were making. And you could look back to COVID to say it was obviously not ideal that we had to we didn't have our own.
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our own PPE. There are a lot of antivirals that we don't produce here. We do, of course, make a ton of them. Our pharmaceutical industry is big and wonderful. But there are some things that we get for abroad that we wish that we could produce here. So I You know, maybe some credibility to that argument. Would it be better if we did manufacture some more things here? Sure.
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And Democratic presidents have said the same thing. Obviously, Joe Biden wanted a huge investment in manufacturing, which he got through the Chips and Science Act and then the Inflation Reduction Act. We had auto plants popping up, semiconductor chips, et cetera, that we wanted to be able to build here. But... They are describing a world that just doesn't exist anymore.
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And not because it would take years to build these plants, but because we don't have the bodies to want to do it. So Cato is out with some new polling, says that 80 percent of Americans think that we should do more manufacturing here. But 73 percent say it's not going to be me. I don't want those jobs.
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We have tens of thousands of empty manufacturing roles and 4% unemployment, which means that we don't have the bodies to do it, let alone the interest. If you look at it over the last few decades, we've lost 5 million manufacturing jobs since 1990, and we've gained nearly 12 million in the professional services. And that's basically where everybody is.
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And that exposes a real problem, which you talk about all the time when it relates to wealth inequality. Right. So the factory life used to be good paying jobs and a career path for people. And it was also insulation between the rich and the poor. Right. Right.
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So that you had people that could go out and make a product, believe in what they're doing, support their family, be able to, you know, take a vacation every year. It was a good life there. And folks would go on and they would buy the products that they were producing and you didn't have what we have.
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Now, which is the gig economy, right, where you're literally just paying people to service your every need and whim. Oh, I want a bagel right now. I want a cup of coffee. I'm going to have someone run around whatever your grocery store of choice is for you. Gristiti's, D'Agostino's, it's very New York-centric, Whole Foods, whatever, Wegmans. I'm going to have somebody go and do that for me.
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And so that's contributed to the angst in society, this overwhelming feeling that the rich are just getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. This is Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump singing the same tune. But the solution cannot be what they are saying that it can be. This return to a manufacturing economy is just never going to happen. So what is the actual solution?
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And I haven't heard that from the Democratic side, and I hope that we will. Maybe we can ask Hakeem Jeffries about it on Thursday night. But there is a genuine nostalgia for a time past. It's common, obviously, but quiet. Who is going to break it to millions of people that we are never going back, especially when you have no interest in going back yourself?
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You know, it's all well and good to say you go work in a factory, but me, no. You know, I want to sit in an air-conditioned office or actually I want to sit at home, right? I want to be able to work from home and be able to be paid a good wage and put food on the table and my kids go to a good school and we're going to be able to take a vacation. And I don't know how you fix that imbalance.
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Well, Uber has made it a lot easier. And growing up as a city kid, a lot of my friends just never did it. And some still don't have licenses. But my parents, who were good suburban kids— Wanted to make sure that we could always drive. But the big differential or differentiating factor was my first car was a stick shift.
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Like that's that's not only an economic problem. That's a psychological torture problem. And everyone just gets amped up for elections. And they know I have to say the right thing in order to get reelected or to get elected for the right time. And then they're stuck with this massive problem. And I feel like there are no good solutions on either end.
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Well, I think in Florida and Arkansas, you can get that back.
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And we didn't know that it was when my dad signed me up to buy one of his friend's old cars that he was getting rid of. He said, yeah, no, no, we'll take it. And the guy didn't think to mention that it was stick shift. And so we show up to pick it up. And I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do with this car?
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So my mom took me to the Great Neck North parking lot, which is where she grew up and she learned to drive, to teach me how to drive stick. And I had a stick shift through college, which made it a lot easier to tell people they couldn't borrow your car. which is a good thing because, you know, in college, everyone just wants to be able to get out.
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We're too dumb to understand, didn't you know?
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And if you have a cute car, they definitely want to take it. But I had a very good relationship with my college boyfriend who I had broken up with and he asked to borrow my car and he took someone else on a date in my car, which is fine. We're broken up, no hard feelings, all of it. But I had asked if I could actually have it.
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It's heading into the toilet, and the American public knows it. His economic approval has dropped 20 points since he was inaugurated. He's in historically bad territory, and he's only matched by himself during the first administration. Everybody knows that a tariff is a tax on the consumer.
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And when I say everybody, I mean from the small business owner to the big business owner to Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Ben Shapiro is out there saying this is likely unconstitutional or may end up in the courts with all of this. Holman Jenkins had an interesting op-ed in The Wall Street Journal about Trump actually –
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It's seemingly that he would be on his way to another impeachment over this because you would want to remove him in the same way that you would want to remove a negligent CEO that was running a company in this manner. The American people are along for a right now it's at forty seven hundred. Extra dollars as a result of the tariffs. It was just twenty one hundred when we recorded last Monday.
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That's how quickly this is going and the level of whiplash. But I just want to double tap and then I know that we have to go on to the next topic. But what you were saying about the fact that he's not a good dealmaker and he's not a good businessman. He is railing against deals that he built himself. He's saying, you know, Canada and Mexico are taking advantage of us.
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You did USMCA yourself, my friend. Or he's saying, oh, the first people are at the table of the 75 countries that are begging to hang out. Vietnam, India, South Korea and Japan. Guess what? You canceled the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which had three of those four countries in it. You would have been able to be in a pack rim alliance that would be saving our butt right now.
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But no, you had to because a Democrat put it into place. You had to cancel it. And I was thinking about whether this comp makes sense to what happened with Biden on the border. Now, Biden and Harris got in and they inexplicably canceled. just stopped doing everything that worked in stemming illegal immigration.
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And I wonder if Trump has just walked in and is saying, I don't want anything that Joe Biden did. So I'm getting rid of chips and science. I'm going with, you know, 145 percent tariffs on China, 10 percent on the globe. And I thought maybe he's Petty enough that he is happy to tank a thriving envy of the world. That was the cover of Time magazine, right? Isn't that what they called it?
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Economy, because he hates Joe Biden that much. So that's kind of where I've ended up.
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And he had made up this whole story and it turned out that he just wanted to be on a date. And then I saw him out and I got pretty upset about it. And I was like, what kind of lie is that to tell someone who is being generous and letting you borrow their car, even though we are no longer in love?
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I mean, no, you should be kind to those, you know, when you have a nice breakup and it's just like it wasn't meant to be, you know, and he could drive stick, too. So I thought, you know, that was the right thing to do. We can still share an asset.
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Oh, it's very uplifting. I feel a lot better.
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Yes, they're eating them voraciously, and they don't care. Or they don't care until... They lose bigly in the midterms or they're not able to actually get the bill in this incarnation or is it just a carnation in this version?
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Were you full of regret?
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That they aren't going to be able to get it through if that does happen. I, you know, Susan Collins is always upset or deeply concerned about things, and she usually ends up going along with it. I think she will probably hold her ground on this front. Josh Hawley from Missouri has said something similar in particular about this.
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The Medicaid cuts and Senator Jerry Moran from Kansas has spoken out about the cuts to rural health care that these hospitals are going to end up closing as a result of the bill as structured from the House side. So there are definitely loud voices on the right that are saying, hold up, wait a minute. You can't do this, including Tony Fabrizio, who is Donald Trump's pollster.
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And he has been out front and center. He did a big campaign. survey for a company that supports Medicaid that found that 75% of Americans have a positive view of Medicaid. And then when asked specifically, voters support or oppose cutting Medicaid to pay for tax cut, they oppose it by a 50-point margin.
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And we talk a lot about issues that are 70-30, 80-20, like the trans women in women's sports, right? That's one that's about the same proportion of split, right? A 70-30 issue. And you just think, are you really going to go ahead with something that is so obviously suicidal for a political party? Now, they love money enough that perhaps that is what they're going to do.
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But my hope is that some cooler heads prevail and they find a way to find somewhere else to cut from. I mean, originally they said, oh, yeah, of course, we're going to be looking at the Pentagon the same as everything else. And it's a travesty that they never had to have a complete audit of the Pentagon. Pete Hegsteth promised us this. And now apparently they're adding to the Pentagon budget.
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instead of going in the opposite direction. But I found this pretty hysterical. There is an ad out from the Democratic side targeting a Republican congressman who is supporting this bill and is from a district that has a lot of folks who are on Medicaid in it.
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And the ad starts with a clip of me from The Five talking about this $880 billion that's going to be cut for Medicaid, and it finishes with Steve Bannon saying, saying you cannot come for Medicaid. Lots of MAGA is on Medicaid. You've got to be careful. And I mean, definitely the first time and probably last time that I appear in an ad together with Steve Bannon.
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But there are a lot of folks that are going to be united on this and just some numbers to throw out there. Representatives like David Valadao in California's 22nd district, he has 530,000 people in his district on Medicaid. He won by 11,000 votes.
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Or Mike Lawler here in New York, who has aspirations to run for the governorship on the Republican side, 239,000 people on Medicaid, and he won by 23,000 votes. These numbers could end up sinking a lot of these vulnerable Republicans.
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Was it you, Scott? Was it you?
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And the handwritten thank you notes. Oh my God.
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It's a good one because they have rebooked you. They've given you a different day, right?
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America or the world will get to see you in that video.
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I know. Thank God. I was losing sleep over it for sure. But something— On the Steve Bannon front that is important to what we're discussing happened that night because I think that very clearly Bill expected the Steve Bannon of the Gavin Newsom interview to show up and he got Stephen Bannon the evil.
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That was not conciliatory at all, would probably not have even talked about the importance of preserving Medicaid if pushed about that. That wasn't their theme. But he spent most of his time talking about how Trump is going to run and be able to serve a third term.
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Yeah. It's like, maybe you should take a look at this. It's good to have those kinds of things handy when you have a lunatic, an insurrectionist, or at least someone who fomented the idea of an insurrection. I don't know if he was actually there that day. But I feel as though... Yeah, absolutely. Right.
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I mean, you look at the breakdown of the GOP bill, 70 percent of the bill's tax benefits to the richest five to the richest five percent costs will go up for the bottom 40 percent. We already talked about the extra forty seven hundred dollars that Americans are going to have to be paying for this global trade war that we're having for shits and giggles.
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And I think you're absolutely right to not want to be on with him. And it's going to be. a really tough time in democratic or I shouldn't even say democratic, insane messaging that you're going to have to be pushing back so hard and at every single moment on the stuff that's coming out of their side, because this is this is really serious.
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Fifty percent of Americans, kids, America's kids are on Medicaid.
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Yes. Fifty percent of coverage for kids is through Medicaid.
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Well... I want to start by saying this is handling of immigration is still the only area where Trump has a positive rating and 55 to 58 percent approval. And when you think of how far he's sinking on the economy and his individual popularity, which is now down in the low 40s, he has taken a big dive. That's meaningful.
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And I want to make sure that we're giving credence to that, that there are a lot of people out there who feel like it is a good thing that we are deporting people, that also these self-deportations are taking place, that people are seeing what's going on, whether it's fair or not. And certainly not fair.
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And I want to talk about the innocent people that have been sent to this El Salvadorian prison camp. But people are getting the message that this administration gives no Fs. And if you're illegal, they're not going to be kind to you. And Trump in his cabinet meeting at the end of last week said, oh, well, I've spoken to the farmers and the guys who own hotels.
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And, you know, if you're a good worker, we're going to make sure that you can stay. Do not believe them. You cannot take their word at all. It is worth nothing. There are no assurances whatsoever that you are going to be OK in this country if you are here undocumented. And you're seeing that at labor sites in the mornings, right, where typically you could show up to pick up day workers.
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Folks aren't showing up. They're not sitting outside of Home Depot getting ready to be rounded up. And you could be plucked out of your home, let alone if you're out there advertising the fact that you can work under the table and do outside hard labor. So that's kind of like the overhead of it.
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And there are a few cases, though, that I wanted to highlight that I think signify that the tide could be changing. I think it's a very big deal that the Supreme Court rebuked the Trump administration nine to zero, that there was no one on that panel, most of which was hand selected by Donald Trump.
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who said, no, actually, maybe it's okay that this innocent guy from Maryland who has three special needs kids, has a good steady job, should have been sent to this prison camp. And you see that the administration, they don't care. They're pushing back. They're showing up for court appointments and saying, at first, you know, we don't know where he is.
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Then they show up and say, we do know where he is. And then they had no new information. They haven't been facilitating or effectuating, however you want to say it, his return. That ruling is very much in the American consciousness. CBS did a big 60 Minutes piece last week on the folks that were on that plane that ended up in the El Salvadorian camp.
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They said that 75 percent of them, they could find no evidence of a criminal record. That's a really important stat. People thought that we were going to be getting out the bad hombres, not just the people who were here undocumented. And the gay makeup artist, that case in particular, is one that is also sitting in the national consciousness.
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And then there are these two others, and I want to—one of them I know that you know about and have spoken about. The Tufts PhD student from Turkey who was taken off the street by masked— ICE officials and told that it was about an op-ed that she wrote.
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And it was just came out of The Washington Post last night that the State Department, a few days before ICE came and took her, determined that there was no evidence showing that she engaged in anti-Semitic activities or made any public statements supporting a terrorist organization. She's due in federal court today in Vermont. She's been in custody since March 25th.
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It will be very interesting to see what goes on there because now you have the State Department rebuking their secretary of state and certainly DHS. And I'm very curious to how that plays out. Lastly, I realize this is a ton of stuff, but I've been thinking about these cases that maybe we can start talking about today.
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to make this issue feel more real to people, that it's not just about, you know, there was an open border and we've got to fix it, that innocent people are being affected. In Sackets Harbor, New York, which is dairy country, a mother and her three children, a third grader, a 10th grader and an 11th grader were taken from their home.
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These are people, no record, here undocumented, but no record whatsoever. The town, which is a big Trump town, and Tom Holman actually has a house there, rallied in defense of them. There was a thousand people. There were a thousand people that turned out to make sure that it was known to all the press that was there.
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This got to Kathy Ockel, who made a statement about it, that these people need to be returned. And they were returned. And if that kind of activity is going on in a Trump area, and by the way, they were, quote unquote, guilty of living in the same Wi-Fi zone as somebody that there was actually a warrant to pick up.
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That's how Tom Holman defended it at first before he had he was pushed and had to release them. But if you see a thousand people turning up in Trump country to make sure that an undocumented family has returned.
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I think that that might be a harbinger of good things to come, that people are paying attention and that there's a lot more unity than we think on what should be happening on immigration versus what this administration is doing.
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My overarching feeling, which maybe has been kind of consistent, is that it feels like nobody is at the helm at this particular moment. Yeah. They're paying attention to the bond market, which I think is a good thing, right, that there's some awareness for the fact that we need people to buy our debt and to think that we're a good bet going forward. But you're watching the dollar tank.
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You know... I love Chicago.
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Chicago in the summer. And this is because I loved living in London in the summer so much. I feel like it's same vibes where everyone is just so happy. I like lake life. And I feel like Chicago has everything. It has a great food scene. It has a great art scene. It's smaller than New York, obviously. It's just too cold in the summer. But every time I go to Chicago, I'm elated. What about you?
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You can find... Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm really nervous, though. Are you nervous?
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So it's going to be... I'm sorry, you're the unwashed tech bro masses? That's your demo?
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You're listening to interviews from investors. Lutnick and Navarro and realizing that the people that you thought were going to get pushed out, or at least it was reported that they were getting more sidelined, are actually part of the inner circle now. And you know how small that inner circle is.
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And you think, oh, well, Susie Wiles, you know, the ice maiden, she's supposed to be in charge of this and she's gatekeeping. And you're like, no, no one is gatekeeping any of this. Scott Besant was doing his best. Jamie Dimon has obviously realized that when he gives an interview, they listen for at least 20 minutes.
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But the patients are running the asylum, is that the way that you're supposed to say it? And the world is getting together behind our backs. They're laughing at us, and they're using those memes. Have you seen those AI-generated memes of Americans working in Chinese factories? Those are being passed around very high-level circles. like bureaucracies in foreign countries, our allies.
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I'm watching Zelensky on 60 Minutes last night thinking, God, what have we done, right? What teams have we picked in all of this? And the stories from these small business owners about what they are going through are And how much they have tried to prepare for this moment because they knew that some degree of tariffs were coming and now are just beside themselves.
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The woman who she was on Shark Tank, she makes the silicone baby placemat where the toys are attached to it. She ended up turning down Lori, actually, who wanted too much of her company, the busy baby placemat. She's a veteran, did everything right, budgeted for 20 to 30 percent tariffs. now obviously can't afford what's going on.
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She talked about how she actually considered ending her life because at least she had a life insurance policy, and that's what could be left for her family. She's going to try to pivot now to being a global business, but it feels like on every level, order is breaking down. Monetary order, political order, geopolitical order. and I'm really scared for what's to come next.
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And I'm Jessica Tarloff.
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Oh, why doesn't he have an English driver's license?
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And to your point- Can I just add to that that this is our highest tariff rate since 1909.
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Oh, wrong side of the road?
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Well, I want to say first about disasters that happened in an era where like the Bush era, which we thought was pretty bad, partisan-wise, at least where we turned out in thinking that these wars were an enormous mistake. And, you know, people until Bush started doing oil paintings and belly-tapping Barack Obama thought he was the devil.
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Oh, what happened?
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And now that we live in this era, we all have rose-colored glasses about him. But I felt in the 2000s, certainly 9-11, Katrina, etc., that... people actually cared about their fellow Americans, no matter their partisan affiliation.
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And I think that that has shifted for a lot of people, that this has become blood sport, not just something that you do, you know, every two or four years when you show up and vote, and that we have common cause, more unites us than separates us. And I think for probably the average American, that's still the case. But for the people with the loudest megaphones, that is not the case. And they are
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Right. And when that's happening from the leadership level down, it is very hard. to upend that kind of system. And I saw, you know, Gavin Newsom set up a new site that has the facts on it, right? Right, and he's having to, obviously it's his rapid response team, is constantly online, you know, quote tweeting things saying, no, that's not true, go to this to see it.
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You know, stuff about funding cuts to the budget that weren't true, you know, doubling the size of the firefighting army, having these C-130s, I think they're the only thing state that's able to use them for firefighting, all of that. So using these official channels. But the problem is, is that official channels don't matter to millions of people.
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They think that the government is the one who predominantly lies to you. And I had this interaction with a good friend of mine on The Five, Kennedy, who was MTV VJ, is now with us at Fox. She's a libertarian
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I would undo the wildfires if I could. So if we need to go back to 2024 to wipe that off the board, absolutely. But besides, did something bad happen to you while you have been in America?
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She is lovely. You would very much enjoy her. She has a house in the Palisades. It is still standing, but uninhabitable. Obviously, this has been very emotional for her. She was on air when we first showed the footage of the fact that her kid's preschool had burned down. And she was talking about the tiles that the little kids make that they keep.
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You know, every student that comes through has a tile on this wall. And it's, you know, we... We both have kids. I can't imagine what that could feel like. But I said I was reading an official declaration about the fire hydrants and that the hydrants were all full technically. But because of pressure issues, that's why they couldn't. There was no water up the hill. Right.
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That's this was part of one of the theories of how L.A. had failed its people. And again, let's wait for the audits of everything and see what really happened. But she said, I don't believe that. And I said, well, then I can't do anything about that. Right. So if I'm reading an official government document or I'm reading the budget items from the L.A.
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firefighting budget and talking about the 17 million that apparently went missing. What do you do about that? And this will take a complete reboot of the way we teach young people about civics, about government, about the role that government plays in our lives. And the parties are so divided in what benefit we think.
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public servants can play in our lives, you know, the people who are scared if they're knocking on the door and the people who think they're here to help us. And that I worry, especially in moving into an era where these kinds of events are going to be happening, unfortunately, more and more often.
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I feel like we, you know, it was hurricane season, but we are just every month, right, there's just something catastrophic that's happening. And we do not occupy the same space whatsoever in how we think about this and what responsibility we think the government has in taking care of us and what they are driven by, that they are driven either by public service or personal vanity.
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And I don't know how you overcome something like that.
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It's like Wooly, I think is the name of it or something like that.
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Yeah, no, I get that. But it could also have something deeply meaningful behind it, like something real happened to you.
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I just find it... Well, you realize also how un-DEI'd All of this actually is. That's right. For the way the narrative is about people. Who can help? Right. And it's also all of these... I guess beta males. Is that the right term for sitting keyboard warriors saying if I was out there, I could do this. Right. Or, you know, I would have walked right up to so and so.
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And I don't want to let us escape some criticism. I was very disturbed by Mayor Karen Bass's tarmac interview where she couldn't even speak.
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summon kind words or soothing words for the people of los angeles when she arrived back from ghana and it seems quite clear that it was a massive mistake for her to have gone on this trip if there was well she said she wouldn't leave yeah yeah and she said during her campaign she's out i think so too um and it'll be interesting to some of it's fair some of it's unfair but she's done
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Some things are just too bad to survive, no matter what you did in those circumstances. And I think that Governor Newsom, we'll see again how it all shakes out. He is certainly sounding to be the competent on top of it all one candidate.
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It will be interesting to see how all of this is written, especially looking ahead to the next president.
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Being turned on and saying that he's going to come out a winner are different things. I totally get it.
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Scott, there are big winds there. Can I link to a comment you just made and say something boring?
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Okay, great.
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You said that there'll be opportunity, right, for Los Angeles out of this in terms of the rebuild.
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And something that I found really interesting or the boring, the nerdy side of me found really interesting was one of the things that Governor Newsom did was sign all these executive actions to cut red tape in terms of the rebuilding process and like the enforcement of the CEQA and the California Coastal Commission, et cetera. And that stuck out to me as a pragmatic person.
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as like an opportunity for Democrats to take a step back and say, we obviously know that some of these regulations are so burdensome that we stand in the way of people and businesses getting back on their feet. And there's been a lot of hay made of the fact that Rick Caruso, the property developer who ran for mayor against Karen Bass in 2022, you know, he had all of these properties in the
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private firefighters, which a lot of people didn't know was a thing that you could do, but they didn't burn down. And a lot of that has to do with when they were built and the fact that they weren't subject to these outdated regulations that kept a lot of homes and businesses in more precarious positions. And I'm hopeful that this will be a signal to the sane world to say, we can't live like this.
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Right. Like it is not 1960 anymore. I understand we want to preserve the integrity of the place. We want, you know, people to maintain their views and we want things to look beautiful. And who doesn't love a Spanish villa that looks like it's an original conception? Yeah. But you are going to die. If we keep it this way.
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And that stuck out to me as a big opportunity out of this to have a, you know, a cleaner, faster, more economical process to a rebuild and also a path forward to meet people where they are. Because no matter your politics, everyone is frustrated by how hard it is to get things done.
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I think it's somewhere in the middle from a distraction and it could happen. It's always interesting to see conservatives or other Republicans commenting on these kinds of things when they let it slip. Like, obviously, this isn't going to happen in the way that he is saying. saying it, but there might be a kernel of truth in what he's talking about. And we're going to try to get to that point.
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Like James Lankford was on Meet the Press and said, the U.S. is not going to invade another country. That's not who we are. The president speaks very boldly on a lot of things. We've seen this over how he's done in negotiations, whether it be for real estate, et cetera, you know. But you do see, especially on the Greenland front, an interesting
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change in posture, I guess, moving from obviously he's not going to come and take over Greenland, but maybe we could have some more U.S. troops there, which it seems like the Danish government isn't totally opposed to. So that feels like one of those kind of compromise positions, right, where Trump will get to say, I won and it was worth sending Don Jr.
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out there with a film crew and some snowshoes and for the Danes to be able to continue to living as they do and maintain a good relationship with us. I think there's going to be so much culture shock for the international community as Trump properly takes office.
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I mean, they've obviously had this first few months where, I mean, he essentially did become president right after the election and Mar-a-Lago became the summer White House again. But it will be different, right, when he is showing up at these meetings and they're having to do, you know, their one-on-ones with him or in the groups.
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And we'll have more of those strange photos from G7 meetings where he's kind of standing there in the corner in a huff like this. And people are thinking, all right, we have four years to get through this, but we also need to understand that Donald Trump has fundamentally changed the way the Republican Party is going to work. Essentially in perpetuity, right?
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A normie Republican is not coming back, even if J.D. Vance isn't the guy in 2028 who runs and you would assume that he is going to be since he's vice president. Even if you get a kind of more standard president. Republican, the magnification of the party is complete and there is no return.
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And you will have to deal with the fact that there are going to be comments and people who are thinking things like Canada should become the 51st state or that we should rename the Gulf of Mexico. And these leaders are really going to have to decide how they want to deal with it. I the annexation idea and wants to really focus on the implications of the tariffs for Americans.
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He's like, that's what I need to message on, right? That if you put 25 percent tariffs on us, we're going to have retaliatory tariffs and it's going to be bad and it's going to be bad for you. And then like Claudia Scheinbaum in Mexico has taken a very offensive tone. And I like how she said, basically, you know, I'm happy to be in negotiations, but we will not be a subordinate to
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We are a sovereign nation and we are not interested in dealing with someone who's going to talk about, you know, renaming us in whatever fashion they so choose. So that's what I'm most interested in it rather than the real implications of whether he's going to be able to pull any of this off. So I don't understand it. If Canada becomes the 51st state, Democrats never lose, right?
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I mean, you're getting a huge influx of a bunch of liberals. I mean, even their conservatives are liberals.
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OK, yeah, it does sound like a good weekend. And last week you went super viral from your MSNBC hit, your kleptocracy hit. And I because you've inspired me to start reading comments or you've inspired me to be a narcissist. So I went and looked at some.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, we were talking about this last week about, you know, humanizing the deficit for people. And this is the way to get right to that. You know, this is cost of living in your face and silly policy that's going to make it worse for the average American. And I have been keeping track of...
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The major promises that Trump made during the campaign and where we stand on those things and four central goals or promises that he sold the American public that he was going to get done. they're already admitting aren't going to happen. So from all of the cuts that they were going to make, I mean, Musk is admitting now that they won't be able to do the $2 trillion in cuts, right?
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Like, that's something that we already knew and that Doge didn't have this kind of power, but that's one of them. J.D. Vance did his first big interview over the weekend. He was on Fox News Sunday. He gives a great interview. I got to say, that guy... So smooth. But he is talking about prices for Americans, and he says we're going to stabilize prices for Americans.
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I mean, I don't know. I don't feel that great about me. I saw this very nice comment that you're one of the most important voices in our society today. Scott Galloway embodies a driven, successful person who hasn't lost his humanity nor his sense of being part of a nation with mutual responsibilities to each other. I thought that was really nice.
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That wasn't what you guys promised us. You promised us that on day one, prices were going to fall. Guess that's not happening. Tom Holman, apparently, the border czar, is privately telling— GOP-ers that, you know, they won't be able to deport everybody, right? Like, that was the tough talk of the campaign.
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But the reality is that you have to have more modest goals and you should focus on people who are violent felons. We agree with all of that. But you still talked about a deportation force. And then ending the war in Ukraine, right, where he said, I'm the one with the line to Putin. I can get this done right away on day one.
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And the special envoy for Ukraine has said, you know, we'll see what happens in the first 100 days. So those are four key planks, right, of the Trump-Vance platform and why everybody got on board with this motley crew of people in the new Trump administration, from the Vivek Brahmaswamis to the Elon Musks to the Tom Homans, the Tulsi Gabbards, Cash Patel, whoever it is. And
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I think that we are in for such an incredibly rude awakening. I saw Jamie Dimon was interviewed on CBS Sunday morning and he said he's cautiously pessimistic about what's to happen, though he did, I think, at one point say we're going to have this massive recession that didn't come under Biden. But people are going to start pricing that into what they think is going to happen going forward.
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I'm sure the market is going to continue to respond in that way. And if you lump on 25 percent tariffs or even 10 percent tariffs with our top trading partners and make it so that we can't get any decent pricing on everything from, you know, lumber to. to the people that we need to be able to make our country run, it's going to be complete chaos over the next two to four years.
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I think some of them are going to be a total walk in the park. I think everyone knows the folks that will be welcomed in with open arms and will get some decent Democratic support. The whole foreign policy apparatus, you know, Marco Rubio, Mike Waltz. Pam Bondi, I think there are concerns about her, especially she kind of played around with the election denialism.
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So TV is not a dying medium if you feel good about it.
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And she's obviously a very strong partisan and Team Trump from the beginning. But I imagine that she gets through that. It's interesting to me that for all of this time that has elapsed from when we first started talking about these nominations, it's still the same names where I think people don't know if there are secret no votes in all of this.
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So for Pete Hegseth at defense continues to be stories that come out, not just about his personal behavior, but about his views and how he would manage these three million people at the Pentagon. Kash Patel has real concerns for people. RFK Jr. is interesting because everybody, even very strong Republicans, have been pushing him about the vaccine skepticism.
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And, you know, he's found artful ways to dodge around how he talks about it. You know, I'm just for vaccine safety. It's like, bro, you're on enough tape. saying that you don't think we should have mandatory vaccines for kids in school and what the implications of that is going to be. So I think that that's still up in the air.
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I imagine the other health officials like your pal Dr. Oz will get through, the Surgeon General, et cetera. And Tulsi Gabbard. And she continues to be—it's interesting, the ones that people are the most quiet about, part of me thinks, have to have the biggest objections, right? And we haven't been talking a lot about the post-Assad world in Syria since it fell in 13 days.
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But I know that people, whether you're a traditional Republican hawk or not— are very concerned about having someone who has been on the side of Assad and Putin in such an important role as DNI. So I still don't know about those, but I think he's probably going to have a lot of success with the less controversial picks.
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You know, someone like a Kristi Noem, where you think like, well, what business does she have having that job? No one's going to care, I think, because you have to pick your battles with this. And if your battle is Kash Patel, you don't have time to talk about why Kristi Noem isn't qualified.
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Someone like Sean Duffy getting through a transportation, which I think is fine, or Doug Burgum coming in at agriculture.
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He was in consideration. Yeah.
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They're going to be great TV, which we know is what Trump and co. likes best.
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Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, the battle over whether the DOJ reports that Jack Smith put together actually get released will be ongoing. I imagine it will get to SCOTUS at some point. And it should be noted that Amy Coney Barrett and Justice Roberts joined the liberal justices to allow the sentencing to go forward on Friday in the Hush Money case. And you've...
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Seeing the freak out online from luminaries such as Cat Turd that Amy Coney Barrett is a traitor, you know, Steve Bannon's turned on her, etc. They really have no tolerance whatsoever for even, you know, one little scribble outside of the lines of total Trumpism. But so Jack Smith has these two reports that have been filed. One of them is about the documents case.
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And because there are two co-defendants in that and that that case could continue to go forward, for instance, if Judge Cannon's. ruling on dismissing it doesn't hold. She got it taken away, obviously, for Trump. And now Smith has dropped that, but it could move forward. So that report is not going to come out because you don't want to tamper with a quote unquote ongoing investigation.
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But then there's the report about election interference and the D.C. case. And that's the one that I think Trump especially doesn't want to come out as he moves into Trump 2.0 and gets to partnering, pardoning some of the Jan Sixers. etc. And if that does get to the Supreme Court, it'll be really interesting to see what Amy Coney Barrett and Justice Roberts do when it comes to that.
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It makes sense he didn't get a sentence or anything really happened to him. The guy just won the election. It's not practical. I think it would have made a few uber-partisans, you know, feel vindicated in some way. But basically everyone who's been an honest broker in all of this has said that the hush money case was the weakest case in all of this.
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And now most liberals, including people like Adam Schiff, have admitted that Merrick Garland has been a big disappointment in that he waited a couple years.
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don't know the strength of the case that they had, don't know all of the details, don't know really what played out because this, he didn't appoint Jack Smith, you know, right away, right after January, you know, Biden comes in January 20th, January 21st. Hey, we need somebody, right, to be looking into this. And I hope that,
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I think a lot of people feel that about us.
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For history's sake, that that report does get out into the ether and that it is at least something that people, if they so choose, can refer to and can look back at because, you know, thank God that the institutions held. Thank God that Mike Pence had the courage. Thank God that we got out of that day.
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And I'm not here to say it was as bad as, you know, 9-11 or Pearl Harbor or Sonny Hostin even put it in the category of the Holocaust, which I don't know.
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offended me to no end but january 6 was obviously bad and you now have jd vance in his interview he said that violent january sixers will not be pardoned people who are just walking around aimlessly will get pardoned which i think is probably where you should end up in all of this but i
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I think that he's going to, for people who support him, be able to effectively rewrite this as if January 6th was somewhere around a day of love or something that is really inconsequential. And history is long. And so I hope that this report will at least be part of history.
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So for those who care to know about what happened and how intricate the plan was and what role the president-elect played in all of it, that it'll be available. What do you make of it?
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Basically everyone that flies around with him, right?
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It also revealed a level of partisanship from our public servants here in New York that's just gross. Like that you have Tish James and Alvin Bragg on tape saying we're going to get him no matter what. That's ugly. And you don't want that no matter what the crime is or alleged crime that's been committed, let alone for it to be this case, which was obviously the weakest of all of them.
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And, you know, Fannie Willis also created a big problem for us in Georgia, I do think. And there are people who've been held accountable in Georgia for good reason for what went on there. And now he walks around like, you know, I have a fake conviction from the stupidest case. And you'll never see or hear of the rest of it at all.
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I'm going to go to work. You are to work. I'm going to go to other work. What is this?
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more stressful work like one-on-four work this is just this is a good hang which i enjoy um i don't think i have anything that oh i'm going to the knicks game tonight with a high school friend who i had lost touch with and she texted me and said and we both played basketball together in high school she said shot in the dark i have tickets to the knicks would you like to go to with me
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And I said yes. And so we're going to have a rekindling, I feel, and get to watch Jalen Brunson, which I'm excited about.
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And I played tennis in college. Yeah, I played tennis and basketball in Division III. I was not bad.
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Or I was.
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Yes, technically a power forward, but I would do the tip. So I've been 5'11 since like seventh grade.
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Well, for the tip.
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We're called the Ivy League. Sign each other. The New York City Ivy League. Yeah.
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I went to a school called Dalton.
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But... I mean, it's for another time, and I'm sure this topic will come up, but it was a very interesting journey through high school athletics. My dad, who was a lawyer, threatened a Title IX lawsuit against my high school because they wouldn't let the girls get the prime education.
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time slot so no parents could attend right if your game is at four o'clock parents work they can't come and uh it made us very much personas non grata at school but it was an interesting lesson oh your parents or those parents just my dad my mom was like hiding in the corner so we'd have the 7 30 game and still no one would come because no one wanted to watch the girls um there were more parents there he really met well but it was an interesting lesson in standing up for yourself that my dad imparted upon us um
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No, I didn't. I was lucky my parents paid for college, but I got to play.
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And it was great.
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How did we end up here? I actually think about that a lot. How did we end up here?
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Do your boys play competitive sports?
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I was going to say, we're talking European.
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But to Greg and Jesse's points about, you know, this is because of DEI or what we need is practical solutions, there is so much bad information swirling around about the main players involved in this, like the fire chief who's been called a DEI hire. I take her resume any day. 24-year vet, paramedic, engineer, fire inspector, captain, battalion chief, fire marshal, deputy chief. I don't know.
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And you guys paraded it around. So now you put it in people's heads. No, you put it in people's heads. I didn't back DEI. You both mentioned it. Anyway.
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Don't you wish you had my job?
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Smeltgate. That's what we call it.
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I generally echo those sentiments. Everybody, at least that I've spoken to and I'm sure in your orbit, knows somebody who has been affected by this. And it is so frightening. It is so devastating. Understanding the scale of this. I mean, it's the most expensive risk. fire in U.S. history. I think now they think 52 billion. I'm sure that will continue to go up.
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I mean, we're supposed to get new harsh winds coming in Tuesday and Wednesday. I don't know what happens, you know, to the future of those neighborhoods. I don't know what happens to having the Olympics there in 2028. It's completely devastating for a real crown jewel of America, which Los Angeles absolutely is. And I feel heartbroken for everyone there. My sister is
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And they're safe, which is great and didn't lose their homes, which she has several friends who did. And, you know, thinking of everyone there and searching for ways to be able to be useful and helpful and the contrast between.
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What you see on the ground, which is real people helping each other, like they've turned the, I think it's the Santa Anita racetrack is in this, it's this pop-up aid center right now where you can go and you can get clothes, you can get food, you can be linked up with people that you've been looking for, you know, talk to public officials, et cetera.
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And then this hellscape of disinformation that is going on And I don't know what the solution to this is, because unless we find some way to make it profitable to spread good and decent information, people will not stop. And I remember Arianna Huffington years ago, remember when she launched Good News, I think was the name of it, right?
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And it was a publication, it was an offshoot of HuffPost that was just supposed to amplify things that like make you feel good, right? That people want to see that someone was rescued or they love, we love cat videos, right? Like that's what people spend all their time on their social media feeds. And she thought, you know, the clickbait, it's too much. And we can't live in a cycle like this.
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Our mental health is suffering. You know, she was very ahead of the curve about needing enough sleep, something that we all know now and still don't do. And we got to get it back because.
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We're not going to survive living like this when the people with the most powerful accounts, not only online, but in real life, like the president-elect of the United States of America, sees no good reason to amplify truth. Joy, camaraderie, nationalism, Americana, whatever you want to call it. The lurch towards divisiveness only will be the undoing of this nation.
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And you see the contrast between the images of the firefighters coming from all over the country like they did after 9-11. I lived in downtown Manhattan in Tribeca. We had firefighters that were from all over the country that were using our house as a bathroom. We opened it up and we said, you come here and you can stay. There were meals being served here. We had people from Indiana coming in.
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We had people from Texas coming in. Same thing in California, the Oregon firefighters coming, the Mexican planes landing right at this moment where Trump is saying, you know, the Gulf of Mexico is the Gulf of America. The Mexicans are showing up to help us.
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Even Greg Abbott, who I think is a terrible partisan in Texas, you know, sending the firefighters up there, which Gavin Newsom thanked him for. And then you contrast that with the messaging coming out of these big accounts like the Charlie Kirks of the world, what Elon Musk is doing. I don't know if you saw this video, but he showed up
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At a fire command briefing around the Palisades fire and got completely embarrassed by the fire chief, who was basically like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. He said, well, you know, he's repeating talking points from Twitter or from X, I should say. And you've now heard from basically every official under the sun. that, quote, Mother Nature owned us.
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That's what the fire chief who was on 60 Minutes said. It was unstoppable. The head of FEMA says, I think they were very prepared, but you have not seen 100-mile-per-hour winds that are fueling this fire. And who could look at that video, I'm sure you've seen, of the McDonald's, right, with the fire blowing by, the Santa Ana winds, it's 100 miles per hour, and think...
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That if you had an extra hose full of water when the choppers couldn't even fly for 27 hours, that you were going to be able to solve this problem. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm sure there were mistakes that were made. And I'm glad there will be audits of everything and after action reports. And Governor Newsom has been speaking about that. But what can we do to fix this?
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Donald Trump's been back in office long enough to shock or surprise just about anyone who voted for him at this point, be it the signal scandal or the tariff turnarounds, the Jeanine Pirro of it all, the way he talks about Ozempic. And he takes the fat, the fat shot drug. So rude. I'm in London and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working.
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On Today Explained, we're asking if any of his voters are experiencing voters remorse, especially those ones who are newer to his winning coalition. Younger voters, black voters, Latin voters. We're heading to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to ask them if regrets. Do they have a few? And just by way of spoiler to get this out of the way, the answer is yes, they do.
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And he takes the fat, the fat shot drug.
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It's true. The algorithms are pretty mean. And they were mean actually even before Elon Musk, but meaner now.
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Oh, really?
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He's, I think, about 19, and it felt everyone— Did you, like, sip him a drink and say, don't worry? I did. I'm not going to tell anyone you're underage and that you're in my Social Security payments? I did. I'm just kidding. You're too young for Social Security.
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Oh, it was great. It was my birthday yesterday. I was in Jamaica, sans children. So we finally got away and it was fabulous. My husband loves Jamaica, always has. I had never been and
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Well, I think that there is an unfair expectation that Democrats are supposed to have it perfectly together at this moment. Like after Romney lost in 2012, they spent years trying to figure out what to do. And they had a plan and they ended up with Donald Trump as the nominee in 2016 anyway. And that definitely wasn't their plan. So I'm trying to take a step back.
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And look at this, like, everybody is out to win their race or to at least win their day in terms of coverage, what they're putting out there. And those 10 members who voted to censure Al Green are from swing districts. They're representing Trump voters. It may just be how they feel also personally, but you look at the character of these people.
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We had Tom Suozzi on the podcast before, like a Chrissy Houlihan, Jared Moskowitz, Ami Berra. Like, these are These are really great, dependable Democrats that believe strongly in the mission of the party. They're great representatives. And I think they're just running their own races. That it wasn't personal about Al Green.
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I don't think it was about, you know, taking a stand as a unified Democratic Party. I think that they felt like...
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He's obsessed with Jamaica, him and his friends. Yeah, it's it's a pretty amazing place. But we went to Golden Eye, Ian Fleming's old house. And now Chris Blackwell, who started Island Records, owns it. I've heard it's great. Oh, it's fantastic. And it feels completely empty.
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The way that it looked to have Al Green not only doing that and disrupting to that level, and it should be noted that Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and Joe Wilson from years ago when Obama was president have been hugely disruptive, and Republicans didn't care, and they didn't censure them, and... everyone just kind of moved on because that's their character and that's who they are.
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But Democrats always hold ourselves to higher standards and it can be tough electorally, but I do like that about us, that we have some sort of moral compass. But the big problem with what happened during Trump's speech is that there were these incredible guests that he brought, including this 13-year-old who has had brain cancer. I think he's had 13 operations.
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And he was essentially like a make-a-wish kid, right, who got to become a Secret Service agent. And a bunch of Democrats didn't even bother to look up from their phones while he was being honored.
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And I think that that's really what turned a lot of those Democrats who voted to censure Al Green and even some who didn't vote to do that like a Ro Khanna but spoke out against how awful that looked, that we just didn't seem— up to the challenge in that particular moment. Like there is a way to not normalize some of the things that Trump is saying.
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And there were tons of lies and his speech was an hour and 44 minutes. So the fact checking, fact checkers couldn't even keep up with what was going on. But when you have guests like Lake and Riley's family was there, hostage families, this kid with brain cancer, you got to stand up and you got to applaud. And they didn't do that.
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Like we were wondering the whole time if there were other people around and there was a happy hour, which saw like 20 people at and that was the max the whole time. So it was very cool and secluded. And my best friend has the same birthday as me. We met in preschool and she came with her husband. They live in Florida now. So it was cool.
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And did you see she didn't have the same kind of words for Andrew Cuomo getting back in the mayoral race?
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Not cool. I'm a 41-year-old woman.
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I know, but just don't do it. You were good before that.
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Yeah, I wanted to add to that with the eating your own. Al Green, by the way, is in a Democrat plus 53 seat. He doesn't have to think about what his constituents are going to say, right, if he causes a ruckus. I mean, inevitably, I'm sure they like it. He's been their representative a long time. But what really pissed me off was
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was seeing progressives criticizing Elisa Slotkin, who gave the Democratic response. So Bernie did his own thing, as usual, and he did great. He had millions of social media impressions. He is a viral machine in the best possible way. But Elisa Slotkin gave the Democratic response. She did an amazing job. There were conservatives all over social media saying she did a great job.
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She talked about being called to service, you know, in New York on 9-11, went and joined the CIA, did three tours. She just won a swing state that Donald Trump won. She managed to pull that off. She talked about growing up in a household where with a mom who voted for Democrats, a dad who voted Republican.
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She talked about how happy she was that we had Reagan during the Cold War and not Trump because he would have ceded the world to the USSR. And progressives are dumping on her because she said that George Bush was a patriot and that she said anything nice about Reagan. And I saw a lot of comments like, Oh, well, why isn't she talking about FDR?
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No, the big four ones. So seven years until my midlife crisis, according to you, right? Where I started traveling only with my girlfriends and dancing with my belly out.
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FDR is not a touchpoint for many people who are alive right now. I understand on a historical basis why that makes sense. But if you think that talking about Reagan and Bush being of good character...
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Isn't smart if you are trying to get swing voters, moderate voters, left leaning independents, even some right leaning independents to vote for you, or even just that she's telling us how she won her election. I mean, we should just be having tutorials all the time from Democrats that pulled these miracles off in this environment. And it really upset me.
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I was like, this is if you think she's too conservative, you don't like that she voted for the Lake and Riley Act. You're concerned about, you know, how she's going to be on trans issues, etc. That's fine. There's a time and place for that. But when you see someone that gets up.
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After Trump's speech, which had a very high approval rating in terms of the audience, which was skewed Republican, of course, but still, like he did well in terms of his delivery. She gets up there.
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She gives a succinct response to it that talks about what really should matter to the party, like the economy, our national security, making sure that the day-to-day lives of Americans is improved and better. And you want to shit on her? Like I have no time for that at all.
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I hadn't heard that one before. That's good. It's not really. It's upsetting. But thank you.
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I mean, they're not going to like it. It's... part of him tacking to the center. And I think a little bit of a fulfillment of him coming out and probably what he naturally thinks versus how he's been campaigning or governing over the course of his career. But I saw there was a New York Times Ipsos poll out on the issue of transgender women in women's sports. So it's an 80-20 issue.
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Like across the general public against it. But it's also 67 to 31 percent of self-identified Democrats do not think that transgender women should be playing in women's sports. So this is the common sense position, right? This is the stuff that we've been talking about. since the Charlemagne the God ad came out, but really for several years, right?
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Like what Bill Maher has been going on and on and on about. Just say the normal thing, which this is biologically unfair. We are not trying to tamp down on someone's civil rights. It's hard to make an argument that it is the civil rights issue of our time that transgender women get to compete on a collegiate level against women. We're not talking about
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having equal access to all the amenities of society, being treated equally under the law. We're talking about a very specific test case of this. And Tim Ryan was talking about it a few weeks ago, actually, when he was on Marr, and Marr was quickfire asking him, you know, is this the hill to die on about several issues and brought up this issue. And Tim Ryan said, no, it's not the hill to die on.
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There's a way to say that you want to make sure that rights are protected without saying that Leah Thomas should be swimming against biological women. And I get it. Gavin Newsom wants to run. He's doing what he can to make sure that he is more palatable to a larger, more moderate electorate when that time comes around.
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But I do think that there's going to be a lot of mea culpa over the course of the next few years. People are going to have to talk about... Why it is that they said that Biden was completely fine and that they didn't think that there were any legitimate concerns about him serving for the next four years. And certainly a policy like this is going to be one of them.
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They're going to have to talk about the border as well. Why did you not say anything for a lot of them for the first three years of the Biden administration when there were hundreds of thousands of people crossing the border on a monthly basis? Did you see the new CBP numbers? It's down to, I think, 8,100 people.
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crossings in february it was 250 000 peak on a monthly basis under biden and this started under biden for sure coming down but it's quite clear there have been no new laws passed the rules on the books if they are enforced can do a lot in stemming illegal immigration yeah it's
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Yeah, undocumented inmates.
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Yeah, they also need to talk about it in the framework of fairness because that has been where Bernie Sanders has been so successful, right, in talking about the oligarchy issue. that's out there and how unfair things are for the average American, the American worker, etc.
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And so that's how Governor Newsom and Charlie Kirk were talking about the issue on his podcast, where he said, you know, I was a college athlete, so was my wife. I have two daughters. I know that it is not fair. And my conservative co-hosts on The Five have obviously been relentlessly talking about this, but they picked up on exactly what you said, which is where are the feminists in all of this?
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And you've seen very few, you know, champion female athletes, including for Martina Navratilova, who is incredible on this issue, speaking out about it. You can't get an answer from, like, a Billie Jean King, for instance, on this issue. You have... Megan Rapinoe, Sue Bird, etc., defending trans women's rights to be in seriously competitive women's sports.
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And I think a lot of that comes down to the fact that people are just denying what biological advantages are afforded to men. And that has been something that we just haven't been able to have yet. you know, serious clear-headed conversations about. And some of that gets into the language police stuff that we have, you know, weird terms for things.
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And we're talking about inseminated people and struggling to find men and women. Not that we don't know that there are, you know, 30 intersex combinations that can happen and that the law needs to make sure that it protects as many people as possible. But when you can't have a straight, normal, common sense conversation with someone where you can talk about
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men and women and talk about where it is appropriate to have transgender athletes competing and where it is inappropriate to do so, we become like aliens to regular people. Even seeing that 30 percent of Democrats versus 18 percent of the general electorate are in favor of transgender women in women's sports, that's a pretty big difference.
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Really badly. And the strangest part to me has been how little he seems to care because he was totally like live by the market, die by the market. And he's taking a very laissez-faire attitude towards it. He was interviewed by Maria Bartiromo and she was asking him about this because, you know, business anchors, no matter their partisan affiliations, have been freaking out
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And obviously, you have a bunch of Republicans in the general sample. They're going to be pulling it to the other side. But when you have a conversation with somebody, if you just went out to lunch with them and said, what do you think about this? I think odds are that they would think the same way that we do about it.
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I don't think we're going to have a President Harris. So I think that it is a much more reasonable idea for her to run for governor if she wants to continue to serve the country. I know that she's technically the frontrunner in the early polls for 2028, which is what happens. The last nominee is always the person that's furthest ahead. And she did save us from...
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certain electoral disaster because i think if biden had stayed on top of the ticket trump would have won over 400 electoral votes and those swing state senators like the alyssa slotkins of the world would not have been able to win their competitive races um but
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You know, I assume that people would line up for her in California and that there are a lot of people who are considering running who would kind of bow down to the idea of Kamala getting in. And perhaps that's the right route for her. But I just I feel strongly that the national stage is not going to be where she ends up again.
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Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, actually. I mean, I know people say things like Obama, but I hadn't thought about it for Kamala.
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Well, she has a lot of those loony positions that we're talking about with Newsom that she's taken. We only ended up with the Charlemagne the God ad because Kamala signed yes on like an ACLU campaign. questionnaire when she was running for president in 2020, saying that she would be supportive of transgender operations for people who are currently incarcerated.
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over the last week with the Canada and Mexico 25% threat. And he went with the like, there could be a little bit of pain or, you know, maybe we'll see a recession and kind of shrugged it off. And Howard Letnick is out there, you know, doing his best dancing around it. Like, we're all going to be fine. And Scott Besson, we're all going to be fine. And Trump seems oddly comfortable to me.
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And the New York Times has an analysis, by the way, there are plenty of transgender people who got their gender affirming care while Trump was president. So he was lying about that and saying that this was just something that happened under the Biden administration. But this comes, that whole conversation was rooted in the A far left position.
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One of the most important propositions or ballot proposition ballot measures was Prop 36 for California this year, which was undoing a 2014. What was it? Prop 47 from 2014, which allowed people to shoplift up to $950 without being arrested. That's right. Right. And it passed with 70 percent of the vote, 68, 70 percent of the vote. And Newsom opposed it. And Kamala wavered on it.
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She was asked the weekend before the election on like Saturday or Sunday before we all went to vote on Tuesday. And she demurred. She didn't say where she would stand on it. You can't be like that anymore. You can't certainly can't run for governor of a state. We have 70 percent approval rating for something. And.
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not take a stance at all, let alone pick the thing that the majority of people are in favor of and not have a good defense for why that is. And Governor Newsom had a whole thing about, you know, the issue with privatizing prisons and that it was going to cut out money for drug rehabilitation programs, etc.
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But as an elected official or someone who wants to be an elected official, being on the wrong side of a 70-30 issue does not bode well for you.
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I think it's a little more nuanced than do nothing because it's important that you continue to amplify what is going on. So the best message tested line of argumentation right now is around the cuts to Medicaid. And that Trump isn't focusing on the economy. So over 80% want him to focus on the economy. Only 36% think that he actually is.
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Nobody, Republican, Democrat, Independent, wants these Medicaid cuts. And I'm sure you've seen the coverage of the town halls that are occurring all over the country. And the Republicans, you know, are saying that they're astroturfs. It's all Democratic plans. And George Soros is setting everyone up for it.
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But the Republicans now don't want swing district congresspeople to have these town halls because it's gotten so brutal. And they have veterans showing up who are saying, like, you're slashing our benefits, you're firing me. You know, we don't like what Doge is doing, hands off our Medicaid, etc.
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And so I think, quote unquote, do nothing, if that means amplifying what their spending bill is actually going to do, amplifying what Elon Musk is doing, which he's the weakest link in the administration. People like the idea of getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. They don't
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like the approach that he's taking to it and don't really uh see that as what's being executed then i say carvel's right but he's also taken a lot of big swings and missed like he said kamala was definitely winning you know he's uh it's part of his charm for sure right yeah he's well whenever he speaks you listen because he's just so compelling and so matter of fact but and he's a winner and we like winners that's right but you're i think your instincts are right on and that is
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with whatever the fate of the market or the American economy is going to be as a result of these policies that he hasn't done a particularly good job in defending. And I've been thinking a lot about the difference between the first Trump term and the second Trump term and how the chaos of this term is actually what we thought would happen the first time.
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Seems like Elon Musk is ruffling some feathers. There was some reporting of what went on in that cabinet meeting and that Secretary Duffy, who oversees transportation, and Secretary Rubio are our Secretary of State, were both forthcoming in their criticisms of Musk and basically said, like, what the fuck do you want us to do?
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Like, Sean Duffy said, we're having plane crashes, right, at an unprecedented level, and you're cutting air traffic controllers. and that apparently Trump sided with them over Musk. So I don't know. You know, I'm not a Musk whisperer. I have not deeply studied him as much as you or certainly as Cara has. But it feels like he is on...
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And that Trump at least has some level of realization that the fate of the administration's success actually depends on these individual bureaucracies working well and not necessarily whatever Elon Musk is doing. So he's continually demoted. You know, they say Amy Gleeson is actually the administrator. Now he is an advisory person, et cetera. And you look at Tesla basically cratering, right?
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The international sales are some of the most astounding. What is it down in Germany? Like 75%. So he, you know, might want to tend... to his home. That could be his children or his companies that he had before he did this and pay attention to that versus the day-to-day grind where it seems like these folks who got confirmation for these jobs have a different kind of plan on how to execute.
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But it was remarkably calm on a comparative basis and how central to that calmness Steve Mnuchin actually was. And I thought, like, oh, is this something that people are thinking about? So I started keyword searching for Mnuchin. And I see that there are a lot of people who are talking about what Mnuchin. a good treasury secretary he actually was and that he managed to stay under the frame.
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And he had a few incredible photo ops and things like that with his wife holding all the money, et cetera, but that he was really an even hand. And there was someone who pointed out how Trump 1.0 put two of the best financial bureaucrats in power, Jerome Powell and Steve Mnuchin, and then Trump 2.0 hired knuckle-dragging cultists. And I thought that summed it up pretty well.
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I mean, You would know better than me. I feel like it is very early in the Trump administration to be writing the obituaries for anyone, let alone the person who got Trump elected. And we also need to keep in mind that the normal things that should, quote unquote, take a person down do not apply, certainly to Trump, right? And a lot of people in his orbit.
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And I get this criticism all the time from lefty friends, you know, Don't normalize him. This is normalizing, etc. There is nothing more normalized than the fact that Donald Trump got reelected and that everyone knew exactly who he was and that they knew as well that Elon Musk was coming in for the ride and all of this.
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He was by his side, almost glued to him for the last two months of campaigning. So I I'm not sure that I agree completely with you in terms of this being the end of it, but it certainly feels like a trouble in paradise moment. And that, again, the American people are smarter than Trump and co think that they are.
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And they're trying to convince all of us that public servants are just leeches instead of people who dedicate their lives to helping other people. And does that mean there aren't some bad public servants? Of course there are.
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But by and large, a workforce that's 30 percent veterans, people that we all agree with, should have the most opportunities when they come home from serving this country, possibly, you know, risking their lives for us. And they should have these possibilities to go and and work for us and continue to make America better. That Musk is really off key in terms of how he's talking about those folks.
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It's got to be the Pentagon anyway.
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I mean, that's where all the money is. So they have to go after the Pentagon if they're going to be actually making any savings. And we've got to go. But I'm just saying it's all smoke and mirrors saying we're going to go, we're going to cut here or there. We know where the money is. It's in the entitlement programs and in the Pentagon. And so far they're not doing that.
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I mean, you go where the money is, right? And that was something that Secretary Hegseth said that he was open to. He said, you know, we've never passed a clean audit. And we absolutely should. So, yeah, start with the audit of the Pentagon.
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You too. Enjoy the rest of South by.
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Well, he has always loved tariffs. Like, the McKinley obsession is legit. And he can, at certain moments— wax quasi-lyrical about the beauty of tariffs and McKinley and, you know, we have Mount McKinley now in Alaska as well. So I think there is a fundamental affection that he has. And that's not to say that all tariffs are bad. And I I saw actually your markets co-host, Ed, pointed this out.
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There was an op-ed in The New York Times by a Rust Belt Democrat, Chris Deluzio. He replaced Conor Lamb, who also ran in the Senate primary against John Fetterman. And he wrote a piece defending tariffs and saying that anti-tariff absolutism is not good policy. And there was a very strong argument to make that
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that we need some protectionist tariffs, even when it comes to Canada and Mexico, to make sure that we're producing things at home, that people can earn a good wage, which I know is fundamental to what you're doing with that Project 2028, which I think is so cool. And I was... pretty taken with his argument. And he mentioned how we're all okay with the China tariffs, right?
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So Trump had the 10% tariff on China and Biden actually tripled it when it comes to steel and aluminum. And we get basically all of our construction supplies from Canada, including a lot of steel and aluminum, plus a ton of cement and lumber. So
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why, I'm not saying a 25% tariff, but using the same logic that we do against China, which is obviously an adversary versus a friend, but there's some good economic policy to it, right? We're not just punishing China because it's run by an authoritarian and they're terrible on human rights. There's a reason we're trying to protect the American worker there.
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So why wouldn't we think about maybe like a 5%, right? Or a 10%.
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Yeah, well, Trump backed off of this round of tariffs because the CEOs of the major car companies reached out to him, right, and called and said, you can't do this. I mean, it's $8,000 to $12,000 extra for a regular car. It's $20,000 for a truck. So anyone who's actually using their car for work is facing an extra 20K, which is obviously unaffordable. I agree with what you're saying.
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I don't think that it means that tariffs aren't going to end up being a tax on the consumer. A majority of Americans know that. I think it could go up to $1,800 actually per annum per family, the cost of these if they're implemented in the way that they're being posed or pitched. But the result that I'm seeing most clearly from...
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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the wobbly or frenetic nature of this administration is that our allies are getting stronger on their own. So you look at Claudia Scheinbaum, who I think has been great in handling President Trump. She has an 85% approval rating. Do you know of any world leader with an 85% approval rating who isn't like Vladimir Putin has fake polling?
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I'm great. How are you?
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It's remarkable. And also for a female head of state right on top of it, which I wouldn't expect.
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Right. A Jewish climate scientist lady has an 85 percent approval rating in Mexico during a time when dealing with one of the more xenophobic American presidents in history. Just crazy. It is crazy.
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Or like Mark Carney, who's going to be the new prime minister of Canada, won the race to be the head of the Liberal Party over the weekend, has no technical political experience, but he was a central banker, which is why people picked him. And he went after Trudeau consistently about how poorly he had handled the economy.
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I've been seeing on social. You're all over.
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And the major thing that he said was, you need someone who can steer Canada through this war with America. When would you ever think that that would be a platform that a Canadian premier would have to run on, right? This idea that we are going to be at war with our neighbor, that we are in incredibly friendly terms or historically speaking have been on incredibly friendly terms with.
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So that's happening there. You look at the European countries that are building up their own defense. They're thinking about, you know, what nuclear arsenal can they get to to help with sharing their weapons. We're cutting off the intelligence sharing with Ukraine at this moment. They're being embraced by Europe. We're on the wrong side of everything with that vis-a-vis cozying up to Putin.
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Well, your own social. Your team's doing a great job.
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And I see everybody else getting a lot stronger while we're getting weaker at home and abroad.
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Yeah?
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The game itself, I wasn't much interested in. I'm not the biggest NFL enthusiast. I was like the side stories. So, you know, I want as much Taylor and Travis as possible. I thought that, you know, Trump was the first sitting president to attend a Super Bowl, which kind of surprised me. I'm not sure why that hasn't happened before.
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Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that Democrats really suffered from a very effective smear campaign of us being the feminine party because we were talking about issues that, God forbid, affected women and men by extension. Like when someone is pregnant and there's someone who got her pregnant and is sticking around, then it affects you too. So I totally agree with that.
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And I didn't mean to paint with such a broad brush, but I do think that There's the widest group of young men that you were talking about who are lacking in opportunity and lacking in mobility and the chance to make meaningful relationships and to live a full and loving and beautiful life that we all want.
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But then there is also a large contingent of these bro types who feel, even though they have been afforded tons of opportunities... have had the best education and probably aren't facing any student debt at the end of this, getting internships at places like Palantir at 19 years old, who still feel aggrieved.
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And a lot of that is rooted in the fact that they don't see a ramp to the level of success that their boomer parents or late Gen X boomer parents had by their age.
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I mean, thinking back to how enormous it felt if a parent could earn a million dollars in a year, and then how stifled people who see themselves as upwardly mobile and are living in these big cities and maybe are at a big law firm or in banking, when you say, oh, earn a million dollars a year, I'm not going to have anywhere close to the life my parents had.
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My kids are not going to go to private school, which is now, you know, $55,000 to $65,000 a year versus the $25,000 when I was growing up as an elder millennial. So I wanted to add that. But something I've been thinking a lot about, and this is shifting gears a little bit, but still about what's going on with Musk and Co. is how much this moment feels to me like it did when Trump and
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the array of lawyers that were fanned out across the country after the 2020 election were getting to work to essentially poison pill as big of a swath of the population as they possibly could to not believe that Joe Biden had won a free and fair election. They did it with vaccine skepticism. Their power is strongest when their supporters are separated from the rest of society.
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And I feel like we're seeing that moment again. And J.D. Vance said, tweeted over the weekend after the judge ruled about the Treasury payments. Not that Scott Besson couldn't access the Treasury payment system, but that you couldn't have individuals that weren't fully vetted having access. And we'll see what happens. I think today there'll be an addendum to that.
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But he's tweeting saying that they're trying to control the executive's quote unquote legitimate power. And a lot of that is a reference back to the Supreme Court case where they basically gave Trump immunity from anything or future presidents. But it was really about Trump. And then you had, I don't know if you saw, Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security Secretary, was on with Dana Bash this weekend.
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So, you know, there were side stories going on that were kind of interesting, but the game not so good. The halftime show I wasn't wild about, you know. It wasn't Bruno Mars for me was such a good halftime show, which I'm sure is a very lame pick in all of this or Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake. Actually, a friend who was over was at that show and got to see the nipple.
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Right. And then Dana says to her, sorry, I shouldn't have said Dana, it's Dana, says to her, well, you are the governor. You are the governor.
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And then she spews drivel for... you know, 58 seconds after that and shows she doesn't really know what she's talking about. But she actually did say the important part out loud, which is they are creating an environment and have fostered for years now an environment in which people don't feel that they can trust the government.
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And one of the first things Trump said when he started running for president was, I alone can fix it. And now it's I alone plus Elon and JD and whoever is on board for all of this. And I'm scared to see society,
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perhaps even further breaking apart along these new lines of who thinks that the government does anything good for me and who thinks that there is absolutely nothing of positive note that the government delivers. And that's hugely dangerous.
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And I don't know, that's been the most disturbing part for me that I feel like I'm back in November and December of 2020 and I worry we're not going to get these people back.
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Are you coming up with these on the fly, or do you have a list of Musk Nazi jokes that you like to make?
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So we talked about that for a while. But overall, not great. We had a lot of little kids in the house. We cooked a lot. My husband made a great pasta carbonara, rigatoni carbonara or no, lumaki carbonara. I'm trying to get my noodles straight. All in all, whatever, I guess. But rah-rah, America.
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That's definitely the big debate, I think, amongst people who voted the way that we did. That balance between wanting to live in a society that uplifts everybody, which I feel like is so core to the Democratic Party, and then thinking we are never going to have a reversal of these kinds of electoral outcomes unless there is real suffering. And that feels like a terrible place to be.
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I don't want to be someone that wishes a bad economic outcome on anyone. I would love a world in which everyone can succeed to the utmost level. But it does seem like there has already been a bit of this escalation. I don't want to go as far as saying buyer's remorse, but you're seeing these videos coming up on TikTok. I don't know.
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There's a farmer who relies on this cost sharing program that gets funded through the Inflation Reduction Act that has been frozen and gone away. And he's talking about potentially losing his farm. He was someone who voted for Trump.
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Katie Britt, the senator from Alabama, is out there talking about how we can't have the NIH go away, the new policy of getting indirect costs down to 15%, which will basically mean that we have to shutter labs that are saving us from every disease under the sun and are a huge economic boon for the country. I was astounded to see that for every dollar that we put
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into society from the NIH that we get $2.46 back, and it generates nearly $93 billion in economic activity in the U.S. And also is what keeps us the leader of the pack, our competitiveness. It's so funny to hear Republicans bemoaning how far we're falling behind all the time. And then they're like, you know what we'll do? We'll get rid of, we'll slash NIH funding.
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That'll be the way that we'll really show the rest of the world. But in a more personal level, I talked. about two or three months ago to a college student from the Midwest. He reached out, he watches The Five, is thinking about a career in politics, really interested in political communication. We got on the phone and he emailed me last week and he said, and he said that I could share this.
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I've really appreciated hearing what you have had to say the past week on The Five and your podcast with Scott. So yeah, Scott, you've really opened my mind on certain things that are currently going on as someone who voted for Trump. And you have been communicating a lot of frustrations I've been feeling alongside some family and friends who didn't expect all the chaos.
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Yeah.
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And then he puts in parentheses, not to mention the tariffs, as our family owns a small business where all our products are made in China. So this is a 20-year-old bro, right, from the middle of the country. Comes from a conservative family. They love Trump. And it only took—I got this a week ago. So it only took two weeks of this level of chaos—
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Why?
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for him to feel strongly enough that he would write that down, right? That's not a casual comment. And he told me that I could talk about it, that I could put that out on air. So it's obviously something that's very emblematic of not only what's going on in his life, but what's going on in his orbit.
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Elon Musk's popularity has gone from in 2016, it was plus 29 when he was the SpaceX guy, down to negative 11. So something is happening. There is pushback out there and the realization that, yeah, maybe there are cuts we should be making, but this wholesale approach to just move fast and break things is not something that works for the public sector.
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Well, so far, like you mentioned earlier on, the courts have gone against them in every All of these instances. But the problem is, is that the courts move slower than 20 year old kids that are in the Treasury payment system to some degree. Right. It's already disrupted people's lives. Funding has been cut off, even if it is then getting reinstated.
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There are all these lawsuits with harrowing testimony from people. who work for USAID and are stationed abroad and are saying, you're sending me back to America. I haven't lived there in 15 years. We have no infrastructure. We have no family. We have kids with special needs.
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And if there is a disruption in their care, I have notes from their doctors about the long-term suffering that they will endure. Nobody in the government seems to care at all about that. So the courts are great, and we're going to have Mark Elias on the podcast in a few weeks, and I'm really interested to talk to him about the legal approach to all of this.
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But they're moving to some degree too quickly, and I think on the fundamental level, what's most disturbing about all of this is that they are going for— a two branch approach to government. I think they don't care at all about Congress because appropriated money means nothing to them. And we should note as well that the government is only funded through March 14th.
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So they're offering buyouts to people. They have no cash to pay them for the next eight months. So Democrats actually have a lot of power in that respect. And some of them are already talking about shutting down the government to be able to shut down Elon Musk. So I think that they are looking at a world of essentially one and a half branches of government.
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So they want the most powerful presidency or executive that you've ever seen in your life. And then they want about half of the judiciary. They want the good judges, right, which is always how Trump talks about things. Says, well, of course we want immigration. We just want the good immigrants. Right. And of course we want this. We just want the good ones. So he wants the judges right.
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probably that he picks. So he wants Eileen Cannon and the Supreme Court. And the rest of it can kind of go to hell. And that's really new territory for us, looking at a world in which the executive has no interest in having checks and balances with the Congress and who may openly flout these judicial decisions. We'll have to wait and see in terms of, you know, how they approach it.
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Even this week will be an interesting incubator for that. But I think that they are so far emboldened, even from where they were in 2020 when they were getting bad rulings, that we could see something completely unprecedented.
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I'm not sure. Listen, Time magazine wants a good cover. It was a good cover. It definitely pissed Trump off, even though he said like, oh, are they still in business? You know, who reads that anymore? But he definitely, when he got Time Person of the Year just a month ago, was super psyched about Time magazine. I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the middle.
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I think you don't want to be the person that went out there and took a big swing. Like, Elon Musk actually doesn't have that much power. You can even see from the level of disruption that we've had that he has that power. And also... that he swayed the election like this.
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You know, $290 million, whatever algorithmic changes to social media that we'll probably never understand the true impact of that or the gravity of that impact when, I mean, you're not on Twitter anymore. I still am. I need to be there for work. It's A, a cesspool, but B... I can barely find content that I need to be able to do my job.
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Totally, yeah. I would be desperate to come back at this particular moment. Though, I think about moving back to London, and then I think I'll definitely want to, if we do, that I'll want to come back to America as well.
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Reporters that I follow are not showing up even in the, you know, the for you column. It pales in comparison to what it used to be, which was, I thought, the best news gathering site. You could always find what you needed right away when you logged on to Twitter. And it's not like that anymore at all. So I'm in the middle on it. What do you think? Are you a Bill O'Reilly or a Time magazine?
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Well, the thing that it does in the immediate term, even if he says it's not something that he was completely serious about, and you saw that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, had to walk back his openness to boots on the ground the next day in the briefing because that was something that freaked even the biggest warmongers out there. Yeah.
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They were like, no, actually, we are not putting boots on the ground in the Middle East. But this helps Bibi in the immediate term in shoring up his right flank, which he definitely needs if he's going to be able to stay in power. And Trump always just has that side door available to him where he says, you know, Well, it was a negotiating tactic, right?
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You know, we just needed to see what Egypt and Jordan were really made of. The former deputy prime minister of Jordan said that this was a declaration of war on the Arab people. That doesn't sound good. Even if that is the place that you are starting at, that you— can even think of a world in which you're going to move 2 million people out of the place that they live.
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And this is not about defending Hamas, staying in charge or anything of that sort. But just Egypt and Jordan have been very clear about this. Saudi got involved and said, we're not doing this either. The Arab world has not been open to taking Palestinians for a very long time. which is one of the endemic problems with this conflict. And I don't know what the solution is.
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We all wish that there was going to be able to be a two-state solution with a neat bow, and we can't get there. There are people who have dedicated their lives to it, like Tony Blair, for instance, and we have not been able to get there. But
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I think that it's a little too easy to just say that it's a distraction or it's a sideshow because it is forcing people to have to deal with it, first of all, which makes a big difference. Like Marco Rubio is going to have to say something about it, right? And people like Tom Cotton are going to have to say something about it. The administration is going to have Pete Hegseth over at defense.
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People are going to have to prepare themselves for the fact that his mercurial or herky-jerky approach to foreign policy might not go your way all the time. And we did talk about it as maybe it's one of the advantages that our enemies have no idea what he's actually going to do. But there are real implications for this. And his words matter as much as we'd like to pretend that they don't.
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And he says a lot of shit and he throws stuff against the wall and sees whether it sticks or not. You cannot, with a serious face, say at this point that Trump is not interested in being a modern-day imperialist, at least to some degree.
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The amount of times that he's talked about Greenland, he's talking about the Panama Canal, now he's talking about whatever he wants to do in the Middle East, which is Jared Kushner's vision. Jared Kushner said there's a lot of waterfront property that'd be available.
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And it was interesting, my colleague on The Five, Jesse Waters, said something about, well, Albania has said that they'll take people. And a couple weeks ago, there was a story in The New York Times about how Albania gave the go-ahead for a $1.4 billion luxury property hotel investment for Jared Kushner. So it always comes back to money. It always comes back to business prospects in all of this.
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And I don't think this is something that's going to happen, but I don't think it behooves us to just kind of push it under the carpet or the rug and just say, oh, it's a complete impossibility.
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Albania is 2.7 million. And we're talking about 2 million people who need to go somewhere.
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Well, I think it's significant and I already mentioned this. that I know this is Elon's playbook and he does it all the time. He did it with Twitter in 2022 as well, but the cash isn't there to do it. So it is pretty significant. I think there is a pretty strong case for saying, you know, you're not even talking about money that's been appropriated. Are you paying out of pocket?
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He's a very rich guy, richest man on the planet. Maybe that's what he intends to do. But going out to people and saying, you can go on that trip you've always wanted to take. I don't know. Actually, you have no salary to be able to do that. It's pretty duplicitous. The big question is, what orders are they going to abide by?
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And what orders, frankly, are they going to be using the younger dojis to get around? You know, what will be authorized? What will... the actions from the top level that look pretty normal, right, post-rulings be, and then what are 20-year-old kids that can hack into anything able to actually do? And I know that it's not necessarily to turn us into a technocratic state.
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Maybe that is for some people's vision who are involved in this. But I think that because Trump is a lame duck— We have four years essentially to break as much as possible that they will be looking to push boundaries in ways we haven't seen before. So while they might have abided by some of these rulings before, they're going to push the envelope even further is my feeling.
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But they are getting upset about things that matter to them. Like I already mentioned Senator Katie Britt, Jerry Moran, Senator Wicker, who are big proponents of USAID programs, had to go to Rubio and plead with him.
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Rubio was a fan last year. He was pushing Biden to allocate more money. And that links to the problem. And I know we're going to talk about the Democrats next.
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Yeah. Well, we'll be thrilled to have you. No, I'm done with that part. But I did notice that when I was in grad school, that all of the top performers in my Ph.D. class, all desperate for American positions, like couldn't wait to be able to do it, even with all of the problems with academia. But.
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No. Have you seen these rallies? It's horrible. So you have—John Stewart did a great impression of Schumer of them, where, you know, you have— a guy in his 70s who's not the most charismatic. I'm being generous here. Screaming, we will win after we just lost everything. And then you have Congressman Al Green shaking his cane in the front of the frame.
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So it's just Schumer's face with a cane going back and forth. Or Maxine Waters, you know, trying to barge into the Department of Education. And I've noticed that all of the key speakers at these conferences rallies are safe seat Democrats. And that's really the wrong approach to all of this.
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I almost want to see exclusively people who have run tight competitive races out there talking about what they think is the right thing for us to do. Because it's, you know, it's all well and good and people are great communicators and you be on your social feeds and everyone should be amplifying as much of the bad shit that Republicans are doing as possible. But
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But I feel like it just sends the message that we haven't learned that much from the election and that, frankly. we're proliferating more hysteria than the average voter is interested in hearing at this point. So it has to be so much more targeted.
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I know Hakeem Jeffries put out a 10-point communications plan, but everyone has to see what their constituents are interested in and what their temperature is in terms of Trump versus Elon. There seems to be a big dichotomy there. Jared Golden
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who is a Democratic congressman who won in a competitive district, a Trump, very rural district in Maine, said that all the calls that he's getting to his office are about Musk. People aren't upset about Trump. They're upset about Musk. And that's what he's leaning into. And people have to find kind of their North Star for all of this.
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But the thing that was driving me crazy in terms of the messaging was, is I don't know if you watched after the election, Tony Fabrizio, who was Trump's pollster, and Chris LaCivita, who was one of his campaign managers, participated in a panel with the Democratic campaign managers as well. And they were talking about, you know, what worked, what didn't work.
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And they said that Project 2025 was destroying them up until a couple months before the election. So it had a 57% negative approval rating. And that we were doing a great job hammering it. That all of those, even if we kind of had rolled our eyes at it, it had been hugely effective that every time we said, well, this is the Trump 2025 playbook. This is what they want.
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This is what they're going to do. And that has disappeared even as people who wrote Project 2025 are in charge of OMB, Brendan Carr at the FCC. And I want that messaging back en masse. I want everyone talking about this to say Time magazine did an analysis. Two thirds of the executive orders that Trump has already implemented are out of Project 2025 already.
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We're coming in hot, I guess, right? You're going for it?
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I love that idea. And I'm sure they're considering that alongside the negotiations that are going to come up in March because the Republicans had these high hopes for one massive bill, which seems like a really stupid way to be funding the government anyway. But if you put those two things together, that'd be very difficult for Trump to weather.
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And he will be the person in charge if we fail at auction or if the government shuts down in general. Though it seems like he does want to furlough employees anyway. But I have an idea that maybe could be used as a complement to this. And I'm hoping that Democrats I'm loosely calling this the Democratic disruption plan because everyone loves this term disruption. It's become very chic. Right.
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And that's what the Republicans have run on that. We're just trying to disrupt things. You've got to shake it up. Because there's all of this waste in there that we can cut. And I think that we need to counter program with our own doge. And you can go back to the 90s and the Clinton administration did this. They called it the National Performance Review.
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I didn't realize it was as successful as it was. It made 426,000 cuts to the federal workforce going agency by agency. And they did it with a lot of precision. They said, are there offices that could be closed? Regulations that we can cut? Are there programs that actually don't need to be funded?
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Within USAID of the $44 billion that goes out there, I'm sure there are cuts that we can make, but we should be the ones to propose them. So just... take all the crap that they've been spewing and throw it back in their faces.
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And I think that that would be really effective and show to the American public that we are serious about governing, that we do know that there is a huge waste, fraud, and abuse problem, but that 66% of U.S. spending is untouchable. And that's the most important part, that we have to be the party out there saying, they're lying to you about cuts that they can make.
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The stuff that they're talking about are tiny, right? They're trimming like a dollar off of the budget. But we will never let them touch your Social Security, your Medicare, your Medicaid. And I think that that is a place where we can run and win. And I want to say as well, on the Department of Education front, I don't know if you saw this, you know, the national report card test results came out.
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I did. It breaks your heart to see stuff like this.
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Is that right? Well, since testing began. So 1992. Yeah.
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When the Republicans come out and they say, I want to abolish the Department of Education, which, by the way, is in Project 2025, and you look at those test results, you understand how average American parents who don't have optionality to go to a fancy private school alternative are being denied vouchers to maybe take a few thousand dollars and put their kids in religious schools, which in general have been performing better than the average public school.
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That they say, you know what? Yeah, burn it all down. Trump had a great line where he said about Linda McMahon, you know, I don't want you to have a job for that long because I want you to destroy the Department of Education. And what they want in the end is for private equity to own our education system. That's what's already happening.
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They have been making tons of money off of these schools, specifically in the charter school space. But if we are going to have public schools under attack at this level and believe strongly in making them better than they are certainly and hopefully taking them into some sort of golden age, we have to play ball on the education front.
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I think we're already in. We're in? Go. Yeah.
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And we have to say abolishing the Department of Education isn't the answer necessarily, but these are our real reform policies. And that includes... going after the teachers' unions and saying to Randy Weingarten, no, this all isn't perfect.
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You know, we haven't certainly recovered from the lows of the COVID era and all the damage that was done to those kids, not only as academic learners, but as social emotional beings. But that Democrats aren't going to be afraid to touch that third rail anymore. Someone like Josh Shapiro has done that. He said before that he's for school vouchers.
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Wouldn't you rather live in a world where we have better public schools and some kids have the optionality to go to religious schools or private schools with the help of the government so that we can save the public school education system?
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You gave away the game already. We've already talked about 1930s. So, yep.
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Yeah.
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You were in the Jewish realm.
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I'm sure she loved that.
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One isn't in school and one is in a private pre-K. She doesn't, there isn't public school for her yet.
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I totally understand what you're saying, and maybe I got a little ahead of my skis, or I didn't mean to say that I want to turn into the party of vouchers. What I wanted to say is that if we continue to look so detached from reality that we are telling people that these scores—
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are okay with us and we're going to do nothing about it, which is essentially what we're doing without having our own reform policies, that we're going to lose people forever because there's nothing that is more valued in society than our children. We have Governor Glenn Youngkin in Virginia because Terry McAuliffe got up there and said, you know, the kids aren't yours, right?
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They belong to the teachers when they go. So I just want to have the conversation about it. I think it can be perhaps done in some sort of targeted way, but we look so... silly if we just keep saying we're going to do it the same way. We're just going to keep going down this path. That's what I meant.
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Yeah.
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I would just reel you back by saying, as we are on the precipice of probably an RFK Jr., Health and Human Services Secretary, that the case that you just made is why they should have carved out a role for him at like USDA and had somebody who believes in vaccines. He's great on this. Yeah.
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There, did I bring you back? I don't know. Read us out. We gotta go.
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I'm not. You've definitely read them all.
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Elon Musk’s Federal Government Takeover
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Well, I have a lot of thoughts on what's going on with Elon. I assumed that Kara came first in that because she has long covered him. And last week she had a big interview with Ezra Klein, which I thought was very impressive, talking about her years of covering him and being close to him. So that was my assumption as to why that happened. But yes, I have a lot of thoughts. I don't want to steal.
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If you have things to say about the tweet stuff, maybe save it for Pivot when you two can... We can talk about it more in depth, but I don't want to cut you off if you've got more on that because mine is not about the tweets necessarily.
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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I did. It was so boring.
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I applaud your maturity. It wasn't what I expected. I had a daunting walk down here this morning. I was like, how do I avoid whatever's going to happen in the conversation about the tweet? You know, I don't want to get involved. That's your bag. But I like this attitude. And I think it's honestly...
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where the American public is going to be best served, A, because podcasts are the most important thing in the entire world and we can save them all, but B, because the American electorate has basically told us that they're not interested in a lot of the sideshows, right? They... They voted kind of singularly focused either on the economy or on immigration.
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And, you know, that's what they deserve to have in their conversations. That's what they deserve to have delivered for them in terms of policy. None of those things have happened thus far in the first, I can't, it's only three weeks. That's what's so crazy, that this has only been three weeks since Trump was inaugurated. But I think that's a very mature statement. outlook on this.
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Did you stay up?
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And I look forward to listening to Pivot, where I'm sure you two devolve into the immaturity.
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Just let her loose.
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She does have good insults.
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But isn't this what you predicted to some degree in talking about how disenfranchised and out of kind of mainstream society young men were being pushed? So they're looking for community. They're looking for fun and adventure and that high wherever they can find it. And they've spent a lot of time on their computers. And they're really fucking good at it, right?
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They're the ones who are going to be able— to hack into our system. So it does seem, I think calling them hackers is probably wrong. Hackers in a past life, and some of them have even been fired from past internships or jobs for hacking or working at places where convicted hackers have been employed. I mean, this is a motley crew in terms of resumes.
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And there are a lot of FBI agents, former FBI agents who have been speaking out saying, these are not people that could pass a conventional clearance. which seems like a problem to me when you're talking about the Treasury payment system.
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But I do think that what we're seeing in the Doge team is very much linked to the world that you have been talking about for the last few years and will be the subject of your forthcoming book, if you would like to plug that.
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There's an incredible article from the conservative think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, where they were the ones that figured out that they had done the equation improperly in determining what the tariffs are that led to that calculation. chart that they paraded out there that Ed was talking about on Prof G Markets.
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And people know it is not just about Nike doing more here or more auto plants here. Like this is a small business problem. The amount of small businesses in America that run off of cheap imports is in the millions. And they can't afford to pay a $500,000 tariff in order to stay in business. This will... It's going to wreck every sector of the economy if it keeps up like this.
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And this morning there was, and we should say it's 11 a.m. on Monday morning that we're recording, there was a rumor that Kevin Hassett from the president's team had said that there was going to be a 90-day pause or they're exploring a 90-day pause on everyone but China. Market jumped up. Then the White House confirmed that that wasn't the case. And now the market is back down.
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And how are we supposed to survive this?
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I won't be in it for that. I'll think about what position I would want. But the big negative... I would think would be your family. I do not feel like they would be excited about this.
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Yeah, the outfits are pretty serious. And if they're now even dressing first ladies that they don't like, imagine what she would have access to if the couture were available to her. I mean, saving the country seems like a good thing. I feel like we're moving into... A world in which a traditional politician is going to have a much harder time winning a primary.
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I agree. I mean, it all sounds reasonable to me, the way that you're putting it, and it just runs completely counter to what Trump is saying, the quote-unquote goal of this, which is no more trade deficits. which is a complete impossibility.
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We're not set up anyway to be the kind of economy that you would need to be, a manufacturing economy, not less because we have to take, you know, two to three years to even build a factory. But Larry Fink from BlackRock was speaking at the tariffs and he said, we don't have the workers for this and we don't have the interest in it.
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Like, to your point about people are not dying to go get on an assembly line and you have... the Commerce Secretary out there talking about how people can be the ones putting the screws in the iPhone, like as if that's the goal for everybody who's feeling like they're getting a bad deal with the way the global economy is structured. And I think as usual,
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I don't want to say the fundamental problem, but at least a fundamental problem in what's going on with this tariff strategy implementation is that nobody who's speaking on behalf of the administration has the same story. So Letnick's saying we want to reshore everything. Besant wants more free trade deals. Navarro wants to burn it all down.
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Now Elon wants this robust free trade zone, right, an EU free trade zone. So which official has the actual policy? And, you know, I'm going back to the fact that it was all predicated on a mathematical error. And the economists who they even whose paper is being cited in this have even now spoken out.
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There's have an op ed in The New York Times saying they completely missed the point, which doesn't surprise me at all about this administration and the kind of clown car that we have going on. But what is the policy?
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And if you were setting it, I'm curious as to what you would be doing about China, because I've been reading a lot, particularly in the FT, about how much China is pumping their products through other Asian countries, particularly Vietnam, and that that's the way that they're going to try to get around any tariffing.
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Also looking even to Mexico, so they can kind of huff and puff and President Xi can say, We're going to have a retaliatory tariff, the 34 percent. If China is the big dog problem in all of this for the U.S., how can they address that problem in particular?
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At least there's going to be a need for some pushback of someone with like real world experience also understands media very well, which you do not to be. Too positive, I guess, at the beginning of the show, because I don't want you to get too big for your britches in minute three.
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Well, I think that you're touching on something
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that has become kind of omnipresent, I guess, in Democratic circles or in buyer's remorse circles as well about President Trump, which is the number of people, including first and foremost Hillary Clinton, who was on record essentially calling every single thing that was going to happen through the first and beginnings of the second administration, save for the Abraham Accords, which I do think are a bright shining light in this.
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And I'm not sure That president, she and Vladimir Putin would have been as into that as Trump administration 1.0. But you see like the video circulating now of Mitt Romney calling it saying we're going to have a recession. Kamala Harris calling it. saying we're going to have a recession. They were predicting by the summer, I think Kamala said. So this could come a little early.
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I think Goldman has it up to, what, a 60% chance. And if the tariffs, the April 9th tariffs go through in full, they'll say it's immediately up to the 100% likelihood. of a recession. So I think your point is well taken, but it gets to this larger issue of how do you say that without seeming like someone who needs to be wearing a tinfoil hat? Because we've gone through this before.
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But it does feel as if an abundance Democrat, because now we're a cohort, is going to... I don't want to say a very easy time because I think the primary is going to be super fierce. But if you're looking at where the electorate is and how people moved in 2024, it feels like someone that thinks like you slash Ezra Klein could do very well. So, I mean, I'm excited.
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People have been chicken little screaming for years about, you know, he's a Russian agent. He's not on the side of America. He's on, you know, the side of the most terrible authoritarians that are out there. And The American electorate rejected that argument at the ballot box. And so now we are stuck with this mess. And also in finding a way to articulate a cogent counter argument to it.
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And I already mentioned a few minutes ago that I was listening to Scott Besson on with Tucker Carlson. What do people say? Like, I listen so you don't have to. But it was actually, you know, a pretty thoughtful conversation. But. I was stuck on, you know, the number of times that Besson says we're heading for a financial calamity because of our debt. Not something that you say the same, right?
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He's talking about wealth inequality. He sounds like an economic populist. He sounds like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump. And then the problem is, is that their solution does nothing to get us out of that jam. You know, talking about lowering the corporate tax rate, benefits accruing to the richest people, cuts to food stamps are part of their policy, $880 billion in cuts to Medicaid. And...
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Society will not be better off. It will not be more balanced. It will not be freer or fairer under the Republican legislation that they're trying to get through, the big reconciliation bill, or frankly, under their leadership. And, you know, you're seeing because it has to do with money and money brings Republicans out of hiding.
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And you're seeing this pushback on whether Trump even has the right to do this in the first place. So there are seven Republicans in the Senate. They're signing on to this bill, which is a bipartisan co-sponsored bill to limit his tariff ability. But like I was watching Rand Paul on the floor give this speech is a completely historical speech looking back saying like this is why. We left.
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There is no taxation without representation. The Constitution is clear that the president cannot do this. And the power to tariff goes through Congress. Ted Cruz has said something similar. James Lankford was on TV last night, very conservative senator, talking about it as well, that this is going to be an issue for the courts. There's going to be a House bill.
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Congressman Don Bacon, who's a Republican, is bringing that up on the House. Obviously, all the Dems are going to sign on. I don't know how many Republicans will feel the same, but he's told us who he is more times than I can count. You know, this is someone who gets to the Supreme Court, which ends up granting him a level of immunity that you never expected.
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But this is someone who wants the ability to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and for nobody to care and for there to be no penalties about it.
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And I feel borderline despondent about this, not only because of the economic consequences of it, but this feels like a constant affirmation of the fact that this man has no limits and that society may not be structured in such a way that we can push back effectively and make a real change.
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And once I figure out what it is that I want to do for the campaign, that's going to be very important.
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That's an uplifting story. Thank you.
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Oh, my God. Your children's novels would be so weird.
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I mean, I've seen worse ones, but that would be up there for sure. But it feels like the mood that folks are in right now. But let's take a quick break. Stay with us.
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in DC between Musk and the other cabinet secretaries who are trying to do their job or at least trying to do their job less bad. And Musk keeps getting in the way of it because every time that he makes a cut from somewhere that has to be reinstated, that's something that these cabinet secretaries need to deal with. And there's been public reporting about pushbacks in meetings and complaints.
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Secretary Rubio and Secretary Duffy in particular have been very frustrated by Musk's outsized role in this and apparently Trump himself. And, you know, you could see that something was changing by the content of Musk's tweets. So the last kind of week, he doesn't talk about DEI much anymore. He doesn't talk about massive fraud. He's actually talking about business again.
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And going to space and Tesla and Neuralink and Starlink. And yeah, he's still red pilled and getting into some of the conspiracies, but he was so far off the reservation that you can tell that something has changed. And I think that this moment was. where he is advocating for a free trade zone at the time when Trump is putting forward these crazy tariffs, and he's going straight at Peter Navarro.
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Those two seem to have a bit of a war going on. I think Navarro called him... not a car maker, but a car assembler on CNBC this morning, so that's Monday morning, you know that there was massive trouble in paradise. And I don't know if you caught it because you were on school tour last week, which was way more important than this, but Musk joined the five and I got to ask him a question.
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Last Tuesday, the day of the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, which he spent more than anybody else, you know, dwarfing George Soros, who loves to buy off elections. Musk spent $23 million it was versus Soros spent $2 million, I think. But I had just a couple hours to figure out what I wanted. to ask him.
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And there are so many things when you have the opportunity to talk to someone that is doing these other cool things. Like, I'd love to talk about Neuralink. I'd love to talk about global population trends with him and things like that. But I was like, you know what, I need to talk to or at least try to get him to answer something about these conflicts of interest that he has.
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And so I brought up him firing all of the folks that are looking into his companies and that he keeps getting government contracts. And he keeps accepting these subsidies for Tesla, even though he's advocated against subsidies. And he totally dodged, which is what I expected. And I lured him in.
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I was friendly and I smiled and I made a joke about being a liberal Tesla lover and not throwing a Molotov cocktail myself. But that... dichotomy between what he says that he's doing, that this is a totally transparent process and they're just trying to make government more efficient. And what they are actually doing is what is animating and kind of setting the Democratic base on fire as of late.
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I mean, Elon Musk is the most unpopular figure in government by far and away. And I think that Trump saw the writing on the wall with all this, looked at the results and of the Wisconsin Supreme Court seat, but also these special elections in Florida, where Democrats overperformed 15, 16 points and just said, like, it cannot come soon enough for you to leave. Maybe he'll continue to be an advisor.
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Well, I think, and I don't want to diminish the importance or the weight of this early ask, but I think that people are pretty...
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I'm sure they'll have their alliance for a time to come. But he can't be someone that's in every press conference and became a political liability for them. And likewise, the government became a liability for Musk to continue to be a successful businessman.
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smart about the fact that we're going to spend several billion dollars on doing this and if it's possible that they're going to hit a winner or someone who at least can get the conversation started remember when we were on the bulwark with tim miller and he said like why doesn't someone just start running for president now
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And you could be that person because you're not the governor of Pennsylvania right at this particular moment. So I think a $10 million investment makes a lot of sense when they, A, could have someone who could go on and do it, and B, looking at the total haul that's going to be spent on this. So are you taking the money? Are we going?
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Depressing but expected. And that has been the lesson of the last few cycles. And to your point about wanting to get away from identity politics, this is the game that we have to play and that the most compelling stories are going to be the ones that That are rooted in the oligarch class taking something away from people with a lot less. And that does come down to Social Security payments.
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That's been resonating. That's money. How do you put food on your table? Right. Your Medicaid, that's money that you need to spend on your health care. And they want to come for that. And I do think that the Democrats are getting hip to the fact that those are the types of arguments that are going to resonate and that they're the most powerful motivators. And I still feel like.
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hearts in the right place, of course, to want to amplify those incredibly depressing stories that you're talking about, about young women being forced to carry children that they don't want to term, and what's going on with the global order, and how we're treating our allies versus our enemies, and that the world is moving on without us, whether we like it or not, and we're stuck
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here with this administration that feels like isolationism is the way to go, but nothing is going to move the needle unless it's bank accounts. And I don't want anyone to suffer. I've said this multiple times.
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And also, obviously, I'm fine financially, but the stock market change makes a big difference in my life, thinking about how I'm going to send my girls to college and what retirement looks like And all of that. But it feels like this was the fuck around and find out moment for a lot of people, those 62 percent that are invested in the market.
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And I'm not sure that that's such a bad thing for us to have this reminder this early in the Trump administration that he doesn't care about anyone but himself and a few select friends. And that number is dwindling by the day. Let's take one more quick break. Stay with us.
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We have a pulse. I feel a little alive in terms of being a strong opposition force. And there are going to be detractors. And I work with a lot of them who were calling him Spartacus and mocking the whole, I don't know, the whole scene of it all, you know. But It animated people.
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And he made a lot of points that I think are really important to take stock of that, you know, we're in a moral moment in American history. And our coalition does not look like it used to. Also, we used to win and now we don't win as much. So that's part of it. But he said, I'm standing here because of a national crisis that's growing. We talked about Social Security. We talked about health care.
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We talked about education. This is a crisis for us. And you've taken responsibility for going too hard about the market because those are things that are causing people to show up at town halls. that are causing millions to go to these hands-off protests.
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I saw that the Google searches for the protests this weekend rivaled the Women's March in 2017, which I remember and participated in the New York one. So... I feel like we have a pulse in all of this. And Musk has been the linchpin, I think. And it's the money component of Musk that he continues profiting off of us while trying to fire us and steal from us.
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But Musk was a huge gift and something that I wanted to ask you about that occurred to me. Do you think actually now looking at what's happened in the few weeks since the continuing resolution passed that actually Chuck Schumer was right to make sure that we keep the government open? Because now the Republicans own absolutely everything that's going on. There's no way to blame a Democrat. Right.
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For any of the cuts that are happening, for what's happening in the market, like you pick your pet issue and we are nowhere near any position of power. And I'm feeling a little bit wrong that I was so hard on Schumer because I think it is a good thing that we can just point squarely to Mike Johnson, Donald Trump, Senator Thune and say, Musk, you know, you did this.
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I think we could judge it a little and we can meet in the middle and just say. Maybe. He just – he should have messaged everything better, which we were talking about at the time, and had a plan to keep the government open from the Democratic side and tried to do some negotiating, Nancy Pelosi styles. And maybe then we could have won on all fronts. But –
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I feel a bit better, like we're a real opposition party. I feel like 2026 could go well for us. I already mentioned the overperformance in those Florida special elections. One was by 16 points, one was by 22. And Elise Stefanik, who was headed to the UN to be our ambassador, was called back to her New York district, which is a Trump plus 21.
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And they're clearly afraid of the fact that they could possibly lose that or it would get so close that it'd be another... You know, big moment of embarrassment for the Republican Party and a harbinger of things to come. So, you know, the country is in turmoil. But on the politics side of it, I feel like we're getting our ducks in a row. And I have not felt that way for several months.
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We definitely have to pee.
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Well, I mean, nothing better than the American president. He was a widow.
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It's the best.
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Yeah. Andrew Shepard, though. I think he usually is the top for fictional presidents on all of those lists.
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And she makes that haircut so hot. Like the little pixie cut?
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Well, I need something to watch because I saw the White Lotus finale, and I am not pleased. We shouldn't talk about it.
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You don't know? You're the star of White Lotus? You don't know what happened?
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Look what's going on right now.
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I mean, he's sober, but he is.
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Edibles would be the least of your issues, I think. Yeah.
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First person to ever say timing is everything, huh, Scott?
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I'm in. I'm living it. Well, a little bit less on the prosperity.
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Oh, now I get upgraded.
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Low bar, but thank you also. I'm not sure about that. Well, I don't know. I am a little bit sure of that at this particular moment. But I'm looking forward to talking about your platform for the Democratic Party with our special guest of the live show, which is coming up next week.
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It's Hakeem Jeffries.
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I don't. I think Hakeem Jeffries is pretty busy right now. But I think it's important that we tell our listeners that we have this amazing guest.
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Well, we have our live show coming up on April 17th.
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Is that like a thing that people do at the Y? They wait to sign autographs?
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You are the Benjamin Button of the podcasting world, huh?
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Really? Is that because you're not paying attention to politics?
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Yeah. The minority leader, the leader of the Democratic Party, you're not hearing a lot about him.
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Well, you were on school tour. But anyway, we're very excited to have him with us. And it's a big deal that he wanted to do it. And we'll see for those of you who can be there on the 17th. But you can also watch online. There's an option to buy tickets for that on the 92nd Street Y.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
Oh, I'm sorry.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
It seems like the internets want you to.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
Is that the good looking one?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
I mean, sure. But RFK Jr. is like not hot to me anymore. Like post kids dying of measles. I'm like it's overriding my attraction to him. I mean, he looks great for his age. But all right. Get into it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
It feels – I mean, I'm looking forward to listening to your markets coverage again. With that, I thought you guys did a great job on that episode that came out this morning. It feels like someone formally has to declare that, someone more important than me as I'm only the HHS secretary. But it feels like we're inching further.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
And this level of whiplash is not comfortable for anyone but the true, true, truest of believers. And it seems like even some of those people are just not having it anymore. You kind of see top Trump defenders from the finance community, like Bill Ackman, has been having a meltdown on social media for the last few days.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
He's going after Lutnik, which I find that part pretty amusing in all of this. But you have people like Stan Druckenmiller, who... tweeted, I guess this is not a regular occurrence for him, that he does not support tariffs in excess of 10 percent.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
The Wall Street Journal wrote an article even about the fact that he had a tiny tweet just to say that people are taking his words out of context when he talked about the potential benefits of tariffs. And I mean, there was
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
So many reactions to this that I've I found interesting, but one in particular was the Singaporean prime minister who did a direct to camera two and a half, three minute speech about what's going on here and how this is a total shake up to the global order and that this is not so bad for Singapore at this particular moment, but as a country that relies heavily on trade.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
Oh, well, that would be a bummer. I would hope that you could at least give me a low-level campaign position.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
that they know now that we are entering a new, what is it, arbitrary and protectionist phase, that America is not a reliable partner. And he brought up the fact that when we did have a trade war in the 1930s, we ended up in armed conflict leading to World War II, which was a pretty scary forecasting to be hearing in all of this. And
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
I mean, some things as a political strategist with, you know, I have a Ph.D. in political economy, but definitely politics more my business.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
Oh, my God. By the end of this, maybe I'll be president and you can be my VP.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
You just want to be comms director?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
No, you never embarrass me. Or at least I wouldn't admit that in such a public forum. But I keep thinking about the job of government. And we've this has been a theme in our conversations as we've gone the last six months and that the parties have a different vantage point on what role government is supposed to have in your life.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
To the islands with the penguins that got a big tariff?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
But fundamentally, we all agree that the government is supposed to protect us. And Trump ran on that with the border, right, saying Biden opened it up. And Harris was even the border czar, and they did nothing about this policy. And millions of people got in here. Americans are dead as a result of undocumented people that came across the border during the Biden years, etc.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
And I'm looking at an administration that tells you to keep holding the line because When 62% of Americans own stocks or mutual funds, this isn't a problem only for the top 10% or something. Scott Besson gave a big interview to Tucker Carlson and was making this out to be a rich person's problem. He did the same thing on the Sunday shows. That is not true at all.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Price of Trump’s Trade War
This is a middle class and upper middle class and certainly upper upper class problem. But this collective FU, to the majority of Americans who are not too dumb to understand what's going on and are aware of the fact that also this calculation was based on a mistake.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
You came home to America.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I like it, too. We should put him in a costume. I made it a him. I gendered him. Maybe it's a woman, the bond market. But I think that that's a great way to look at it. And I actually wanted to ask you about this because it loops into the conversation we were just having about messaging, about threats to democracy, et cetera. You know, how can we effectively message the deficit?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And you're being so pleasant about it.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Because when I talk to, you know, my friends about it or friends My mom, my mom's gentleman suitor. He says, well, okay, let's talk about the deficit. You know what the deficit is? It's the mortgage rate that you can't afford to pay right now, right? Like that's how it's manifesting in your life. It is keeping young people off the property ladder, for instance.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And I feel like we have done none of that, you know, talking about the links between those two things. It feels like this amorphous thing that you just can, that you are constantly kicking down the proverbial road. And I want to hear it in terms of interest rates, mortgage rates. you know, cost of living expenses. I mean, we have this number that Trump's plan will cost us $4.6 trillion, right?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
That's what I'll add to the deficit. Put that in real terms for somebody who took a flyer on this chaos agent heading into this election, right? Like the 32-year-old that has a $150,000 job, doesn't feel they'll ever be able to buy a house, is struggling to find a mate. Like, make the deficit real for that person.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And basically the bond market— Was it 10 days as a lettuce or something?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
You like coming in, right? That's where you're mine. Went on that. Yeah. I was just like, oh, young people should want to be in an office because it's nice to meet people.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I think about, is it the sexy pole dance in True Lies?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Yeah. No, I ran right out of there.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
That's a pretty big deal that we could already potentially predict that two weeks out from inauguration. Right. Usually someone has to get in and for us to see the lay of the land. But because, A, we have this strange situation that we've already seen him as president before. So we understand some of his proclivities and that he has essentially become de facto president since he got elected.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I was around for most of it. I worked on a ghost town week, which I always like because everyone who's there is like in a good mood. They're getting overtime, which everyone likes. Not on-air talent, but the amazing hair and makeup people and the tech people. So I did that. We were in New Jersey for Christmas Eve and Christmas. Apparently it's two separate holidays.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I mean, you know. Maloney is down there, Mar-a-Lago, Trudeau's been, though resigning from the leadership of the party, which I think is a fascinating turn for Canada. But Trump has essentially gotten an extra couple of months of being president, and the market, no likey, right?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I mean, Jerome Powell, who came out and said, A, he can't fire me, which I kind of loved, but then said, prices are not going to get better, right? Your rates, we're not bringing the rates down.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And then you have the mortgage rates, which is certainly, it's a hot topic of conversation amongst my cohort, right? Like elder millennials that are thinking, okay, you know, this is our time to get on the property ladder. We've been paying these nuts rents. And so the mortgage rates don't come down. And then on top of it, are we going to have a little trade war with Canada?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
We're not going to be able to get any lumber to build houses. Right? We're going to have a deportation force that's going to kick everyone out of the hospitality industry. There's going to be no one to build our homes, serve our tables, take care of our dying parents. And you're thinking, like, what was I voting for here? And I'm skipping ahead to...
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
something we're supposed to talk about later, but there was this big piece in the Wall Street Journal about the millennials living in arrested development in their 30s and 40s with their parents.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And it feels like this confluence of every big problem that we've been talking about for the last kind of four to eight years, from student debt to sex and dating and relationships to social media and loneliness to high prices to unrealistic expectations to helicopter parenting, which I feel has been completely missed over as a key factor in why
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
All of these people in my generation are fucked up and still living with their parents. And it's all coming together at the beginning of the second Trump term in a way that is not only concerning, but offers, I guess, a window into a very scary next 10 to 20 years where people might not be pushing culture or civilization forward in the way that we always have. Science.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I want out.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And we went to Long Island for a few days and then we had a staycation.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Oh, yeah. You said that when we were on Bill Maher together.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
OK.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Which was the best. I still like my husband. Who knew? I like my apartment. It'll go.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I largely agree, not with the David Duke light part. I think there are concerning things about him. And when we had that conversation a bit over a year ago, we didn't know much about soon-to-be Speaker Johnson, except that he was, you know, part of an architect to overturn the election results. And there was good reason to think that he was more of a firebrand than an administrator.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And it turns out that he's happy to kind of be like a little elf, right, in the workshop. And he's just running around from office to office saying— What do you need? What do I need to do to get your vote? And he doesn't have rhetorical flourishes. I mean, he's fine on TV. He's on all the time, which I appreciate. I think it's good to hear from these people.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
He doesn't seem that afraid to talk to people he disagrees with, which I think is a massive plus point. But he doesn't, you know, he's not going to bring down the House like a Nancy Pelosi speech or a Hakeem Jeffries or even Kevin McCarthy, I think, had... you know, bigger moments of gravitas.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
But he's getting the job done and he's working, like I said, it's going to be the slimmest majority since 1917. What do you want from the man? He shows up every day. He looks perfect. He knows who he has to talk to. He has created a good, seemingly working relationship with President-elect Trump and Alania.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Okay. And tell us about Safari.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And he knows how to kind of take what he gets from them and bring that back to an unruly caucus. He's also going to benefit from the fact that Matt Gaetz is not around for all this. He, I think, has a pretty decent relationship with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is now, you know... nutcase number one, I feel like, in the House. And Lauren Boebert, I guess, 1A for her.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
But generally speaking, yeah, I think he's probably the right man for this moment. But I don't know how this bill comes into existence. And I thought that we were trending, the first speaker fight from a couple weeks ago, I thought we were moving towards a world where maybe we weren't going to have single issue bills, but we were going to have smaller bills, right? Right.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Like at least by policy area. So you say, here's the immigration bill. Right. Here's the energy bill. Here's what we're going to do on climate taxation, et cetera.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Right. And this just feels like it's going to be more of the same. And it's going to obviously affect decades. those less well-off the most, which is what happens, right?
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
The cuts are going to come from people who rely on entitlement programs, the people who operate at the lowest economic levels of our society, and the people who, frankly, needed whatever Trump was selling the most in all of this, right? The people who the great Biden economy was not working so well for, the people whose credit card debt is soaring through the roof.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I mean, the numbers on that are staggering from a historical perspective. And they're going to get totally shafted, which this crazy reconciliation bill is going to cost us trillions and change nothing about the way Washington does business.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I'm concerned that it's just always going to kind of be shitty for Carter because his presidency is so present in people's minds, especially having gone through this high inflationary period, that people just think of the Iranian hostage crisis and they think of the crisis and they just say Jimmy Carter was all bad.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And something that I've been reading up more on since he passed away or towards the end of his life since these obits have been hanging in the air. And there was this great—well, not great because the obituary writer ended up passing away, but Jimmy Carter outlived one of his obit writers by like over a decade. But looking at his foreign policy record, hostage crisis aside—
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
It's incredible to look at all the groundwork that was laid during those years when it comes to China, when it comes to our anti-Soviet positions, you know, Reagan obviously getting credit for, you know, ending Cold War, but like, you know... Carter being the first one to actually be speaking out about the Soviets and to talk about democracy and human rights in those contexts.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
The Camp David Accords, you know, peace treaties with Israel and Egypt, you know, he has a reputation or had a reputation for being for strong Israel supporters as perhaps too pro-Palestinian. But looking back at the pushing through and went through unanimously the vote to establish the Holocaust Memorial Council and build the Holocaust Museum.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
That is part of Jimmy Carter's legacy, that he was then hired as part of the Carter Center by multiple presidents to go be election monitors all over the world to make sure that we were spreading democracy and human rights. There's a lot of very cool stuff to Jimmy Carter. And I want to say first and foremost with that the 77-year love story with his wife.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I went to see Jimmy and Rosalind Carter speak when I lived in London. And they were talking about the work of the Carter Center and about eradicating disease and spreading democracy. And I was so overwhelmed by the palpable affection that those two had for each other. And that it just radiated from them a marriage of equals, right? that I had not seen before.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And I thought it was so special and I was so lucky to have been able to see it in person with another 5,000 people that were in the room watching them. But those are my quick thoughts.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I don't know if you like that about yourself.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Yeah.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I mean, it's all well and good to hang on the ranch.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Right. Right. With their own hands.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
Yeah.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
It's... He's the anti-commercialization of the post-presidency. And everybody else has been. And...
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I don't think so. And, you know, all the more power to you. I think, you know, if the market can work in your favor, go and take advantage of it. But no, I think if we looked into the tax returns, we would see, you know, modest incomes living very similarly to the way that they did when they put that peanut farm in a trust situation.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
so that the American public could trust him when he came into office. And I look at, and maybe this is just my estrogen talking, since I already said I love, you know, their marriage and their love story. The Obamas also have an incredible love story. But their post-presidency or his post-presidency is much more commercial than the Carters, right?
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
not set out like that actually no probably should have i just i want to you know i'm like so in it with young kids like three and nine months so i want them to have great years yeah in the soup i want to do make sure that i do a couple big trips do good professionally survive inauguration like all the things all the stuff yeah what about you i see all that happening um
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And that's not to say they aren't doing a world of good, but we're as likely to see them as a Habitat for Humanity site as we are to see at the Oscars. And Jimmy Carter is not showing up anywhere. Well, now he's really not showing up anywhere, but he's not showing up anywhere to talk about anything, but eradicating Guinea worm, right? And that's a real marked difference.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I will say in Clintonian defense, I think the Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good, but obviously as pillars of society, the Clintons No one holds a candle, really, to the Carters. And you see that the way his passing and his last year in hospice has been covered, you know, from local press and people who knew him.
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I mean, this is someone who was part of a community in a way that someone who went on to the presidency never is, right? Like, this is the local guy who's sitting at the end of the counter when you show up at the diner.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And I don't know how we would ever get that back again. I can't see anyone on the horizon who would be like that. I think times maybe demand that it's not possible anymore, right? It costs too much to get elected. You need to be too famous. You need to be too good on a podcast. Too polarizing. You need to have a partner that does something swanky and cool.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
You need to have kids that fit into a certain bucket. All of these things that didn't exist when Carter got elected. But it feels like a real loss for humanity and dignity in politics that he's gone. And I hope that... We'll consider the full raft of accomplishment. And obviously, there are some things that he did that were not fantastic.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And there's a reason that, you know, Reagan came in in that kind of fashion, right? He opened the door big time to conservatism.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
It was sad to see him go. But, you know, he said, I want to live to vote for Kamala and I don't want to live to see Donald Trump as president again. So he got out on time.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
I tend to, and maybe I'm too conciliatory in some ways. And I think part of that is a function of working in conservative media that I'm around people that I disagree with all the time and I can see what place they're coming to the table from. I think most people are actually generally motivated by wanting good outcomes and we just have different approaches for how to get there.
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But Tom Swasey, who's a conservative Long Island Democrat who we're going to have on the podcast at the end of the month, had an op-ed in the New York Times that came out on New Year's Day where he talked about, you know, where we can work together, where we have to push back.
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
And I think that employing some of that thinking and making sure that we're coming to the table with our own ideas, especially working against this super slim majority on their side, will benefit us. But I wanted to double tap on the Carville op-ed because he says it's about the messaging problem. And there was a 538...
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politics podcast about the 1992 election that came out that I was listening to of like how Clinton and Carville did it. And they were talking about, you know, it's the economy, stupid. And they just kept repeating very simple marketing phrases over and over again so that no one forgot what their campaign was about. And the Democrats, we didn't have that, right?
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The Shadow of January 6th, Johnson’s Speakership, and Jimmy Carter’s Legacy
We had like 10 slogans that people were going for. For Clinton, it was putting people first and it's the economy, stupid. And that's what anyone really remembers, right, from the 1992 election. But making it just about the way that we message things, right, ignores the fact that there are real fault lines in the way the American economy is working for people.
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And I'm scared that we're going to try to paper over those real problems with rhetorical flourishes and think that we should win in 2026, which, by the way, a midterm, it turns out more people who are like us that are paying a lot of attention versus a regular... American that showed up in 2024 to vote for Trump. So what do you make of that? I mean, I want to bring up credit card debt again.
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I mean, this number is staggering. So it's at $1.17 trillion now of credit card debt. So everyone is basically living off their plastic at this point. Like, that's a real indicator of how the economy isn't working for people, right? And how do you square that with Peter Baker writing in The New
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that Biden is handing off the best economy that anyone has gotten since Clinton gave George W. Bush the economy at the beginning of 2001.
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Yeah, I mean, to some degree, it's... it's a good thing that society has moved in the direction that it has. It is a bad thing for Democrats politically that we've been slow on the uptick about it. And you look at someone like an AOC who, you know, split district, right? South Bronx went for her and they went for Donald Trump or Jared Golden in Maine. And this happened all over the country, right?
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Where people said, I want to choose my fighter. And that was the key theme of this. If you are going to be fighting for me, I don't really care if you have a donkey or an elephant sitting on the other side of your name or your party affiliation. And I think that that's probably a net positive for us.
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But I would expand off of, you know, you have to talk about the inflation and the economy for sure. But I think the Daniel Penny example is a really important one. And we covered that case yesterday. Day by day over at Fox.
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Well, but it's a great story. It's not just because it's a Fox red meat story.
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Yeah, you brought it up. And the only interview that Daniel Penny has done is with Judge Neem Piro, who's on the five with me. And he, you know. He served the country honorably. He, you know, studying to be an architect. He was on a train where a mixed race group of people were all expressing fear of Jordan Neely, someone who was on this list of the top 50 most vulnerable homeless people. Yeah.
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In the city and arguably shouldn't have been able to be on the streets. And you see Kathy Hochul now pushing for some involuntary confinement for people who are public safety threats. And she's only doing that because Richie Torres is going ballistic on her on basically a daily basis. But while you were away, I don't know if you saw this story.
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A undocumented man who had been deported multiple times set a woman on fire on the F train in Coney Island here. And that kind of stuff has taken this so far beyond partisanship where you just think my quality of life is not up to standard anymore.
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People, you know, who, she was an alcoholic, the Times finally has a big piece about her because they were able to figure out who she was because she was incinerated, you know, to the level that we couldn't do DNA testing for a while. And you have that image of also a police officer walking in front of her burning body and not doing anything.
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People just walking by. But New York City has a plea out right now. We need 1600 new cops right now. We don't have enough. New Orleans, the terror attack there. There was a point when New Orleans just a few years ago only had something like 700 beat cops. You can't protect New Orleans. No, but defund the police. Right. You know, all of that.
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we can't lose sight of because that was part and parcel of the message that the Republican party was, was able to put out there. And I don't say message in that it wasn't rooted in real life. I mean, people were people that we know are walking around saying like, I don't feel as safe as I should. I am taking the subway less. I mean, congestion pricing is coming in as a,
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as to solve a problem of having everyone in Ubers and cabs because they're not on public transport as much. I'm the only person, at least on air at Fox, I take the subway in and out. I am very different on the subway now than I used to be, right? Like not both AirPods in, lost on my phone, right? I'm paying attention to what's going on and I'm going from Tribeca to Times Square.
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Oh, he's the best.
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Well, I've told you that, Brian, my husband's dream ticket, Fetterman Torres. He's like, give me Fetterman Torres for 2028. And I mean, Richie Torres has a huge Jewish community that's part of his district. And my friend lives there and he says that he's at the synagogue every week. He shows up at his kids' religious school. They know him. They're like, oh, Richie's here.
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I mean, he's doing public service in a way that feels more Carter-esque, right, than it feels like what today's current looks like.
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We have a lot of work to do.
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hopeful, but resigned to the fact that it'll probably feel like a lot of what we've heard before and of going over accomplishments.
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And a lot of them were what you were just talking about, right, with the success of the economy on a global scale, right, and taking us from where we were with, you know, 15 million people losing their jobs, losing over a million lives to COVID, et cetera, and where we are today. And those are legitimate victory laps to be taken. But
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I really want, especially as there are very real questions and a lot of people who are huge Biden supporters who now feel very differently about him and the presidency and his cognitive abilities. I want to see the empathizer in chief come out for one last hurrah and to talk about.
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Not necessarily to say, you know, why Kamala lost or why the Democrats lost, but to show some of that humility and that connection to the average person that makes him more Scranton Joe than the 46th president of the United States of America. And I was listening to Anthony Blinken on he was on the Sunday interview on The Daily.
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Yeah. And I was not impressed.
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Funny slash we were both crying. I was like, this is a disaster.
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Or to just talk about it in normal terms. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, the electorate has made it clear that they don't care if you say it fancy. They just want to hear it.
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Anyway, I... Well, that's not going to pan out that well for them either. They're going to be plenty pissed within a few months. But we are... I mean, I thought... Blinken was a great representation of how mealy-mouthed our electeds have been about this. And that's not to say that I agree with everything that they've done, right?
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I think that there is a strong case that you could make that we are more involved in global wars or conflict than we should have been. And that one of the promises was this return to normalcy will make sure we bring everyone home. You know, him saying, I wouldn't have changed anything about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Excuse me. Come on. Like, that's pathetic.
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But he sounded just like your average poll. And no one wants that.
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Can you be nice? Caroline, this is awesome. Congratulations.
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How little it matters. Not even just amongst conservatives who... And I would say... As an addendum to your point about conservative media and what they'll do, they will talk about it, but they will talk about this transformed narrative that it was a day of love and who where would the pardons be coming?
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It was great getting to know you these past few months.
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You too.
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And, you know, because Trump has said that that's going to be a day one activity for him and really, you know, rewriting the script of what happened. January 6th looked like President Biden had an op ed out about January 6th today in The Washington Post. You know, one of those let's never forget. Right. What actually happened on that day.
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And for the people who still remember and a majority of Americans do think that it was an attack on our democracy. A majority of Americans think that Donald Trump is personally culpable for what happened. But the real take home message is no one gives a fuck. Right.
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Not enough people, for sure. The Liz Cheney's of the world and the Bulwark guys and those people, they're out there. But when you look at the hierarchy of issues concerning, you know, a person in their day-to-day life, it ranks pretty low on it. And I think
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Part of that might be that we live in this rarefied world where we can afford to sit there and pontificate about sort of threats to democracy when the real threat to democracy is that your grocery bill is too high. Right. Like that matters a hell of a lot more to you. But then I think there's also just been this.
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dearth of good messaging almost, or keeping it in the national consciousness in a way that doesn't feel like you're bludgeoning people over the head with it all the time, but that it's always in the rearview mirror that there's one party that respects democracy and there's one party that doesn't. And your grocery bill, your gas prices, whether you can afford to have a new home,
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All of that actually doesn't matter if you have people in power who think your vote doesn't count. And to me, that's what January 6th was. It was an attack on law enforcement, of course. We're going to talk about that. But it was a bunch of people saying, it's not one person, one vote here. You know, it's my way or the highway. And I'm going to invalidate, you know, the will of millions of you.
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I'm not sure it's a difference in his approach to party leadership. It might be a difference in how his approach to party leadership is going to be received for the next few years. And I think that there are two factors in this that really mattered. One, the impact of having the president of the United States or president-elect get on the phone and tell you, like, this is what's best for us.
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You've got to do this if you want to have any progress. And then the second piece is that this speaker battle, you know, was happening a few days before the election happened. needs to be certified.
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And there's no reason to think, I mean, House Speaker Mike Johnson didn't play a role in the certification, but having the House in chaos going into January 6, 2025, I think was something that was present in people's minds, where they thought, we need to get through Monday.
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And it was only a couple of people, and there were, you know, from the Freedom Caucus people, like Chip Roy, et cetera, they have a whole list of demands that they were able to put out there.
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But I think that the Republicans have resigned themselves to, for the ones who are not huge Trump fans, like this is Trump's party at this moment, and that we're going to be able to be more effective with the slimmest majority since 1917 once these vacancies take place if we just get on board. And that's what I think happened on Friday.
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Thank you for coming around to my thinking about this. It was not a landslide. No, no.
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The narrative on their side is we have this massive mandate. If you had a massive mandate, you'd have a lot of people to be able to vote for your side. And right now you don't have that now. We lost. They have a trifecta that is a better position to be in in all of this.
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But when you look at the margins and you think about someone like a Thomas Massey who didn't vote for Speaker Johnson, he said, you know, that they could pull his fingernails out and he still wouldn't vote for Speaker Johnson. Mm-hmm. Look like at a Chip Roy, for instance. I mean, these people are going to be serious about the things that matter to them. And a lot of that is the deficit.
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And they're like, we're not here to rubber stamp spending the same way as if President Biden was in office and Chuck Schumer was the majority leader. And that is going to be a big problem, I think, especially as we go through reconciliation. Now, Mike Johnson wants one bill.
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Trump said this morning, you know, if it's one or two bills, I don't really care because Senator Thune told him getting it through in one bill is probably not going to happen. But I mean, they are trying to do everything at once in four months.
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Well, especially if you look at these margins. And then it'll be up to Hakeem Jeffries to decide what he wants to do because he's in complete control of the Democratic caucus, right? No one goes out on their own, basically.
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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We are together.
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Trump’s Trade War vs. Hollywood (feat. Sen. Chris Murphy)
It's totally batshit. I mean, we have a $15.3 billion trade surplus now. On Hollywood. That's the thing. Like when the Australians said, excuse me, you have a trade surplus. And I think it was Senator Warner was asking Jameson Greer, the trade representative, about that in particular.
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And he said, well, how does this make any sense if we have a surplus, if his idea is that we have to be even Stevens about everything? And the trade representative had no answer because there is no answer beyond Peter Navarro was the only one who satisfied this tariff itch that Trump had.
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I have just to Berlin, though. And I had an incredible time on every cultural level, like the museums and walking around and kind of ingesting the history of it. And then also the partying and the scene and just absolutely adored it.
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And I don't know if you saw in the Wall Street Journal, so we're recording this on Monday morning, Scott Besant has an op-ed out. So now he is trying to do damage control. And... he's defending the strategy. He says Trump has this coherent three-pronged strategy that will benefit Main Street because their obsession is saying that this is for the little guy, tariffs, tax cuts, and deregulation.
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And to the average Republican, that does sound good as long as the tariffs aren't the way that we're doing it. They love tax cuts and deregulation. But it's all anchored in a complete misread of what the tariffs are doing to our economy and also what these 2017 tax cuts were.
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And Republicans, I get this all the time at work where they say the 2017 tax cuts benefited everybody, but they don't talk about the level of benefit that it had. So 81% of the tax benefits from the 2017 cuts went to the top 10% and 24% to the top 1%.
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So just because the average person got another $800 in their bank account as a result of this doesn't mean that it still wasn't this massive giveaway to the ultra wealthy. And I was watching Bloomberg TV, which I don't do very often, but I thought, oh, they're probably going to have people on that are making a lot of sense and understand this a lot better than me.
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And they had this guy, Gene Sirocco on, who's the executive director of the Port of Los Angeles. I learned more in three minutes from this guy about what's going on. He had the numbers, right? We have a 35% drop in volume. We are going to go under a hiring pause. The truckers are going to be decimated because of it. The dock workers, we don't know what's going to happen there.
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Five to seven weeks, the retailers are saying that you're going to have shelving problems. And then if it takes more than a month to get these deals done, which with China, I don't even know if there's ever going to be a deal. They seem up for whatever this battle is.
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That spring and summer fashion and then back to school are going to be the big events that really jolt the American economy when you realize that you can't get the stuff that you need. And I don't want to put myself out of a job because I love being on The Five and I really enjoy it. But I want more Gene Sirocco on TV talking about this than Jesse Tarloves. I hope my bosses aren't listening.
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Because you get more information about the on-the-ground effects of these tariffs from somebody who's actually living it day-to-day and knows the people directly affected than you do by all of these talking heads.
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Oh, I know. Incredible presence. Is that your way of saying he's so hot? It's nauseating.
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And he's like aging in the best possible way. He's still Don Draper, but he's also like a great dad. He's a bad dad, technically, and your friends and neighbors. But you know what I mean?
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It also opens the door for people to be concerned about his mental health state because there is a not insane thesis that perhaps last night he was watching a movie about Alcatraz and then decided to start posting that we need to reopen Alcatraz. And we know he likes prisons and show of force that way with the Gitmo stuff.
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But he says, OK, we'll reopen Alcatraz and also we want to use terrorists in the movie industry. Or maybe he was talking to Jon Voight, who works for the administration somehow. He's like the Hollywood ambassador or something like that. And Politico even had Jon Voight mentioned in their article talking about this. And that makes you think, who is in charge here?
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And to be even more deeply concerned, that in the GOP bill, they have taken the right from Congress to administer tariffs, which is constitutionally protected, and that that's the game here, that it's all consolidation of executive power. Mike Johnson is fine with it as long as he gets his tax cuts through and the cuts that he likes.
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And that we have a one-man show and that one-man show can be swayed by a visit by Laura Loomer or perhaps a movie that he was watching. That's a little concerning.
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I did that.
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I had a whole office full of toilet paper. What would you do if you couldn't wipe? Let's be real about this. My dad was also obsessed with it. He told me, he's like, go to every drugstore. I lived in Union Square at the time. He's like, you got a lot of drugstores there. Please go get as much toilet paper as possible and then bring it down to me in Tribeca.
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Yeah. But just for the sad final note on this, all the things you say is true. His approval rating is down, stock market, all of it, and yet... CNN asked, who would be doing a better job right now, Trump or Kamala Harris? And Trump still edges Kamala. I mean, within the margin of error, it's just two points.
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But my guess would be actually that he would still get reelected if we had the election, if we did a do-over.
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Yeah, you get a demotion.
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Concerning. But when have I not been concerned? You know, Kristen Welker asking him, do you agree that everyone who is here deserves due process, citizens and non-citizens? And spoiler alert, the Constitution guarantees it even for people who are here undocumented. And Scalia, amongst others, has said as much. And he goes, I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.
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And Trump has spent his entire life hiding behind, I don't know, ask somebody else. And that somebody else is usually Stephen Miller, which spells disaster for all of us. And I should have mentioned when we were talking about the National Security Advisor stuff that I wouldn't be surprised if it was really Stephen Miller doing it and not so much Marco Rubio.
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But the administration is out with an idea for a new proposal that I would love to get your take on, because it at first blush sounds pretty smart to me that they're going to pay people who are here undocumented a thousand dollars to self-deport. And I believe that they're also considering paying for their flights home.
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And it is deportations and border security, not immigration overall, but those two criteria or those two aspects are the only areas where he is still above water. And I think that if there are people here who are willing to go for $1,000, that that is a very good use of our taxpayer dollars.
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Yeah, that's how I feel. And listen, I perhaps got too excited that it was something that didn't sound insane to me. And so I said, I think this is a good use of our taxpayer dollars. I don't know. I need to see what the plan is fleshed out. But they are doing well with... frankly, putting the fear of God into people. And folks are self-deporting. Border crossings are basically nil at this point.
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You don't see any action on the southern border. And this was a key promise that we would get people out of the country who are here illegally now. I want the asylum system to continue to work. Everybody deserves their due process. There are innocent people in a foreign prison essentially serving now a life sentence that the El Salvadorian president isn't even comfortable with.
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That's how depraved what the American administration has done, that Bukele is uncomfortable with it. That said, $1,000? When you look at the cost and how overburdened our immigration system is, we don't have enough judges. We don't have enough lawyers for these people. I think maybe if it can help the process along about whether they should stay or go, this is something to explore.
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Yeah.
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So someone had to go. And Trump invested so much in getting Pete Hegseth through the confirmation process that it was...
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increasingly looking like it had to be waltz and he didn't want to do anything within the first hundred days because even though it's kind of a made-up marker i think he wanted to say you know no problems for the first hundred days besides the fact that everyone thinks that you're bringing us into a recession so that seems like a pretty good problem big problem
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I wanted to pick up on what you were saying about this risky behavior because there are a few people within the party, and you're one of them, that have been looked to as the ones that are willing to push the envelope. So Bernie and AOC out on their tour, you had a huge fundraising quarter, $8 million, right? And you're not up for reelection for a very long time.
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So people are obviously appreciative of what you're doing and the energy that you're bringing to this fight. But we know that elections are decided— And the big issue for the midterms is going to be the GOP reconciliation bill, the big, beautiful bill. So we have $880 billion cut to Medicaid, also huge tax breaks for the wealthy.
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How do you think that Democrats can effectively message what it is that this administration is doing if wealth inequality is a huge issue for them? This is it, you know, signed, sealed and delivered, wrap it up in a bow. There is no clearer indication that Main Street is irrelevant to them than what this bill has in it. So what's the plan?
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But that's how it kind of ended up being Waltz. And I keep thinking about the management of Signalgate after it first happened. And you know how Trump came out pretty quickly and he said, Mike's learned his lesson. And I think I've mentioned this before on the program that I'm part of a foreign policy group with Waltz. And he's a very nice man.
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Do you think that talking about Kilmer, Obrego, Garcia is one of those distractions?
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Yeah, Steve Bannon could be used in a whole lot of ads. He understood this perfectly. Scott?
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No, I just, I don't know if there's like conflict of interest.
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That's pretty cool. Taylor Swift went there. That's cooler than knowing Mike Waltz.
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Okay. Well, you'll have to take me is basically what has to happen now.
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Is that that exciting now? She's not... Have you seen the weird dancing videos? She's not that good.
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You mentioned being out with Max Frost at town halls in Missouri and in Florida. And I'd love to hear a little bit about what you saw there on the ground.
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But also by doing it with Max Frost, who's the youngest member of Congress, you implicitly blessed this next gen, which I think is so important in the conversations that we're having right now about people being too old for these roles, not passing the torch soon enough. And someone like Max Frost, understands flooding the zone because that's just how a 20-something operates, right?
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I wake up, I get on my phone. Not me. I'm a 41-year-old. But Max Frost wakes up and he starts posting because that's just what's built into his DNA. And that feels like a natural way for us to be combating flooding the zone where it doesn't feel like you have a 75-year-old in their car, you know, yelling into the abyss, right?
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to create a video, you have someone like a Max Frost or an AOC doing this. And it's like inherent to who they are. So can you talk about your town halls and also bringing in the next generation in a substantive way?
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Something bad is happening. But Walt's... So he got Trump's sign of approval where he said, you know, Walz is safe. And then he went on television and he went on with Laura Ingraham and he had a pretty testy interview. She was pushing him pretty hard about it, mostly about how was Jeffrey Goldberg in your phone in the first place.
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You post without approval?
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Yeah, you see, it's pretty rough out there even for like Chuck Grassley. And I feel like his constituents love him, but they can't help but be upset at what we're seeing. I'd love a little bit of a background perspective on how your Republican colleagues are feeling. I know what they say to the cameras, but are they feeling as tense about this as I would imagine they should be?
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And we know that the mix-up was that he thought he was putting in the trade representative, Jameson Greer, with the same initials as Jeffrey Goldberg. But we also know in Trump world that there is nothing more offensive than being someone that talks to the mainstream press, let alone Jeffrey Goldberg, who was responsible for the suckers and losers story that keeps Trump up at night still.
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He's so mad about that. And how it kind of turned public opinion as to how he feels about those who have served, even though we know what he said about John McCain from the start. So it was pretty obvious what he thought. But it was interesting looking at Waltz being pushed out. And he was given some options, some ambassadorships.
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Sherrod Brown was a loss on a whole host of levels, but you're basically describing him in what you just said.
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He could have been the ambassador to Saudi Arabia, for instance, or the U.N. job, which was supposed to be Elise Stefanik's. But because Mike Johnson has no margins, he had to keep Stefanik in her district, her New York district, so that they would at least have another vote because he thought it was feasible that they could lose that seat.
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But I was like, oh, my God, does this all really come down to a cable news hit? And I think that it does. And that Walt's choosing to go on TV, even though he had already— appeased his audience of one and to essentially look like he was out there for himself was something that might have just been sitting in Trump's craw for the last month or six weeks, however long it's been.
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That's really interesting.
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That's why we have you on.
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We need a new title for the podcast because moderates aren't where it's at. We have to be more lefty. All right. Senator Murphy, thank you so much for your time. Hopefully you'll come back again sometime soon.
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See you later, Scott. See you, Jess.
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And that when push comes to shove and he needed to get someone out and Hegseth has had more scandals since then, more signal problems and
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has had to fire some of his deputies, who he says are all, you know, liars and leakers, though he threatened a polygraph and never gave any one of them a polygraph, that, you know, would things have been different if maybe Waltz hadn't done that interview or seemed like he was more concerned with his own fate than the fate of the administration? Potentially. That's what I was thinking about.
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What's your take?
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So, Laura Loomer, who, you know, self-describes as an investigative journalist, but is really just a crackpot, and Trump loves her, and they've had to get her away from him, essentially, because she fills his head with even more craziness, apparently played a key role in Waltz's ouster. And her big thing is that Trump, in order to effectuate his agenda, needs to be surrounded by true believers.
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And Waltz is not a true believer. He's a convert. And Marco Rubio is a convert as well, though it seems like he's, you know, making the cut in very serious ways now that he has, like, four jobs or something like that. But Laura Loomer, you know, she posted on X after Waltz was kicked out and just wrote Loomered. So, you know, take your victory lap. But she said something that I thought was...
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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Right, and that we should keep in mind as we're evaluating the administration as it unfolds. If there's anything that's going to torpedo Donald Trump and his agenda after he survived indictments and mugshots and multiple assassination attempts, it's going to be the vetting crisis and unforced errors of his administration. Contrary to what's been said, he doesn't hire the best people.
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I'm good, Scott. How are you?
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That's why it's so important that there's people to help support the president, because nobody is perfect. And that feels like a really good Trumpian organizing principle for whatever we are about to see over the next three and a half years.
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Where do I find you? Because that is not home.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The U.S. team is a bunch of yahoos and they sit down at the table and they don't even know what they want. You know, when you go on a on a first date and you realize maybe you're not up to it, you know, when you're not feeling it or whatever, or you're just not in the mood. So you can't even make conversation. And within 10 minutes, you're just kind of staring at each other.
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I feel like that's what a lot of these traits.
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Really?
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Those are like the old school escape plans where you tell a friend, call me 15 minutes into the date, right? And say, oh my God, you're having an emergency?
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But why'd she say yes then? She'd met you. This wasn't like a weird online, you know, maybe he doesn't look like his pictures. I don't know.
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She's probably full of regret now.
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Yeah, those were I can't believe how long ago that is, but also how long I've been there. Like when anyone asks about it, I'm like, it's my entire media life has been at Fox. But that was great. And Wall Street Week was such a great and I don't want to say serious. It was obviously serious. There was some levity to it, but it was so substantive. That's the word that I'm looking for.
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Well, that brings me to a point that Scott has been making for the last couple of weeks is that this all has to be framed around economics. Everyone is sick of the moral argument. They're done with it. They're not interested in like, well, we're nice guys, right? And this is what nice guys do. They see something terrible and they want to go and help someone.
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You have to hear about the brass tacks of what's going on, like how our farmers are benefited by those USAID contracts. And a lot of Republican senators have been standing up and making those arguments. Senator Wicker, Senator Moran, for instance. So I'm in complete agreement. And you said so many things that were interesting to me. And I'm sure that I'm forgetting some of them.
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Wall Street Week was so substantive.
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But I wanted to add— to the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party having a baby. And we ended up with MAGA. And you said, we need someone who can speak to this. And I've been thinking a lot about Bernie Sanders, who I have never been a supporter of in 2016. I was a big Hillary person. That was who the base wanted. The base of the Democratic Party has consistently been Black voters.
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Bernie Sanders has never appealed to Black voters in any sort of consistent or large way. But when you look at how the coalition got scrambled in this election, you say like white working class people like Donald Trump. Well, look at the 2024 results. Now it's black, Latino and white working class people and some Asian as well liked what Donald Trump was selling.
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Now, do I think that they are permanently Republicans? No, I think Donald Trump is. is an incredibly special talent and has an appeal that cannot be replicated. But obviously, they are open to someone that is going to be making an argument along the lines of the ones, frankly, that Bernie Sanders is making. And he has been out there. He's on a fighting oligarchy tour, packing arenas. His
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spillover rooms are sometimes even bigger than the main room that he's speaking in. And you see, Republican states as well, that people are hankering to hear this message from someone who isn't Donald Trump. There is an understanding that
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Donald Trump has conflicts of interest built into him inherently by being a business person, not to mention the fact that his grift is so obvious, and we're going to get into this crypto strategic fund later on in the conversation. But people are very open to someone who has that economic populism to the way that they speak.
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Bernie is filling that void at the moment, but Bernie Sanders is not a sustainable option for the Democratic Party. He's 83 years old, and he's already tried this a couple of times. So I'm very focused on who can possibly— fill that void.
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And a very smart friend of mine who works in Democratic politics wrote an op-ed over the weekend that he put on Fox, which I appreciated because you should be talking to people who disagree with you. And he's arguing for us to stop talking about rebuilding the Obama coalition. It's like it's done. We have to find a growth strategy at this point and looking backwards to what worked
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for a generational talent in 2008 is not going to get us anywhere in 2028 when we have to fight this fight again. Oh, using the Kremlin talking points, I cannot even imagine how good They feel in Moscow right now, you see Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesperson, out saying, you know, this, the rapidly changing U.S. foreign policy configurations coincides with our vision.
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You had Medvedev saying something similar, you know, Putin probably thinking, how did I get this lucky? And you've said, I don't know why he's doing it, but... I need someone to be able to tell me why, honestly. I get it that he wants to pick on the small guys.
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Well, we still talk about your tenure there. Scaramucci's or Scaramucci is a... I don't want to say daily use. I mean, certainly on the Internet, it's a daily use. But we think about it. But you have unique perspective.
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He thinks he can control Canada and Greenland and Panama, has, I think, more respect for the big powers in this, you know, China and Russia, Iran, maybe North Korea. but it feels as if we are now living in a full-on gangster state where there is no moral code to it.
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And I look at someone like Marco Rubio, and he has been a meme many times before, but now that picture of him sunk into the couch, right, during the meeting with Zelensky, his suit boxing up basically over his head where you think, has a man ever wanted to disappear from somewhere more than what's going on with Marco Rubio? And then you hear reporting,
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That he and Mike Waltz, who has a similar view of the world, the national security advisor, were the ones that executed the taking Zelensky out of the White House. Right. And essentially saying we're done for the day and all of this. And what do you think has happened to these traditional neoconservatives that have found their way into the Trump administration?
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Because I do not believe and I know some of them. that they have just wiped the slate clean of everything that they have believed for decades. Some of them who sacrificed, you know, have veterans that have gone to fight for us and protect this new world order. I don't think that they had a lobotomy. So what is going on with the people who are working for him?
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And do you think there's anyone that is going to stand up like there was in the first administration?
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No, it's interesting that he's the one that's more generous about it, though.
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He knows exactly. There are some things he does know, and he knows exactly how long someone worked for him.
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All right. Well, I'm always searching for positive things to say about him, so now you've given me one.
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I love that. And I didn't know that. I wanted to pick up on something because you mentioned the separation of powers. Right. And Paul Ryan, you know, essentially being told that he worked for Trump and what's going on with Elon Musk and Doge and watching that cabinet meeting play out where you could tell that at least half of the people in that room were
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were doing a, you know, dying Marco Rubio inside, you know, watching Moss parade around in the tech support shirt and having an understanding that not only do the American people not want this.
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They want waste, fraud, and abuse cut, but they don't want an unelected billionaire serving himself over serving the American people, but that they might not be able to do anything about it, which I think is folks who have gotten into public service that should at least be part of the concoction of what motivates you to do it.
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I was kidding. I have some good things. I have a list that I always go back to. I talk about the Abraham Accords. We'll always do that. But he's not always the most generous. He has tweeted and then posts getting kicked off Twitter. He has true socialed about me, but he never gives me an extra 9.1% of anything. It's always pretty brutal. But... What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
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Even if you are someone like a Linda McMahon, you know, or Howard Lutnick, et cetera, I think that They understand that public service, at least in its prior form, used to be about making the country as good as possible for the widest amount of the largest amount of people. And so where do you think the musk of it all shakes out? You know, people say they're going to have some huge fight.
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They're going to break up. Trump doesn't like not being in the spotlight anymore. And it feels like Musk is increasingly taking it as someone who was on the inside of all of this. How are you viewing it?
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I think you're pretty effectively doing that, but let's hope that we can continue to push that goal forward in today's episode. So we are going to be talking about Trump's explosive meeting with Zelensky, the state of the free press and free speech in the White House. And later on, I have an interview with Governor Pritzker to talk about how he's standing up to the Trump administration.
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I think you are already hearing it at the hockey games about how it's going to go for the United States.
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So, Anthony, let's get into it. Last week, I think saying it got heated is an understatement of what went on in the Oval Office. Donald Trump and Zelensky's meeting turned into a full-blown shouting match. Trump berated the Ukrainian leader while Vice President J.D. Vance questioned whether Zelensky had shown enough gratitude for U.S. support.
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I know. Yeah.
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Zelensky left early, the press conference was scrapped, and Trump later posted that Zelensky can return when he is, quote, "'ready for peace.'" Where do you think this leaves U.S.-Ukraine relations? And what's your general response?
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I'm totally with you. And I, you know, I was young during the 90s, but I talk a lot about the Clinton years and how it feels like we are... ripe for something like that to happen again, if there is a charismatic leader with that kind of common sense approach to everything.
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I just want to say, and I want to move to a conversation about the free press, but what you're describing as what happened here in America, which it certainly did, is happening all over the world. I mean, the liberal order is failing, you know, across Europe. Far-right parties are getting larger shares in Thank you for having me.
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And London was as jazzed about Obama being elected as they were back home. But something has shifted. I know the AFD underperformed what Elon Musk and J.D. Vance wanted in the German elections, but they still got a bigger share.
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And this conversation specifically about immigration is really what's fueling it, because everyone has lost any semblance of an idea of what borders or national character means to the average person. And while they might be benevolent insofar as thinking that
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were pro-immigration and that people should, you know, have rights to some goods and services, we all basically laid down and just said, you know, come on in. That will be Angela Merkel's legacy, which is sad. for her and everything that was accomplished during that time. But that's what it'll be remembered from.
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And you just have to look at what the CDU looks like now to understand how badly she messed that up and the lessons that that sent through Europe. But we need to take a quick break. So stay with us.
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I've seen some of your posts on social media, but for our audience, can you just talk about, you know, your gut reaction to what happened and where you think we are now?
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Welcome back. I wanted to quickly talk to you about the state of the White House press and free speech under the Trump administration. You were there for your 11 days during his first term. And we need your inside sources. The AP filed a lawsuit against the White House after restricting access to the Oval and Air Force One.
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Following this, the White House announced that they'll choose which journalists have access to the press room. All of this is happening while Jeff Bezos told The Washington Post staffers that he'll be making changes to the publication that align more with the right, leading to opinion editor David Shipley's resignation.
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What do you think is happening with the free press issue vis-a-vis this White House? I've heard people on both sides of it. Fox News has been steadfast in standing up in support of keeping things the way that they have been with the traditional press pool and with the AP. But what do you think the game is here for the Trump administration?
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But then why doesn't he sell it?
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Because, I mean, he has enough money and it doesn't make money for him. Right. And subscriptions are way down. So there are plenty of people who want to buy it. Why doesn't he get rid of it versus compromising his principles to this level?
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You know, maybe like in your, you know, like in the shower. Right. When you're standing there and you're like doing your deepest thoughts.
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That's a huge piece of this, though. I mean, the reaction to the left going too far left has been massive. The amount of times in regular conversations with my friends, we're all pretty normie Democrats, but they talk about the Charlemagne the God ad, right? About, you know, she's for they, them, I'm for you.
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And all the stuff that Bill Maher is talking about all the time, you know, that's pretty deeply felt. Yeah.
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That's where Scott and I met, Bill Maher. That's our meet cute.
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Isn't that what we did, though? I mean, we're sitting there with Liz Cheney. You know, Kamala's with her the day before the election or whatever.
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I like it. It's a good slogan. Let's make the 1850s cool again.
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No, maybe. Listen, I've always felt that way.
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And I would say I feel like the Democrats are very happy to have you talking the way that you're talking about being pro-democracy.
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Well, I used to even have that much so less since I started co-hosting The Five. But people, Democrats are suspicious of me because I work at Fox.
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Like it makes no difference what I'm saying or to how large of an audience.
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Yeah, I think the defining distinction between what's going on right now and in the past, and I'm certainly not combing this to the way that we were split during the Civil War, but is the information game in all of this and the disinformation.
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Used to be people looked at maybe one paper, right? And odds are that you and your neighbor were looking at the same thing. And today, people are living in diametrically opposed information cesspools. And we do not have a common language as to what truth is, what right or wrong is. You know, is the sky blue? I got 10 people within 50 feet of me who feel differently about that. Right.
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Oh, they're thrilled by it, and they're doing it to their own people.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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I will.
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Okay, after the break, my conversation with Governor Pritzker. Today, we've got Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker with us. He's been making waves, pushing for more jobs, affordable health care, and taking on Trump's immigration policies.
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He's also sounding the alarm on what he calls the GOP's growing authoritarian streak and even joined a multi-state lawsuit to block Trump's federal funding freeze last month. Plus, he's backing a screen-free schools plan, which I love, to ban cell phones in classrooms. We've got a lot to cover. Governor Pritzker, welcome to the show.
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No, it's so great to have you. You have been one of the strongest Democratic voices against Trump in general, but certainly since he won reelection. But there are some people who are saying that the party is still not pushing back hard enough. What do you think is the right strategy? Should we just be on offense all the time? Is there a risk of overplaying it? How are you thinking about this?
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Why do you think that they aren't? Because it was a very clear message on November 5th that that type of messaging did not work, right? The Liz Cheney's of the world did not compel that many people or really compelled the same percentage of moderates that voted for Biden in 2020. It was mirror image essentially in 2024.
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So there are a lot of Democrats who are concerned about adopting that strategy, but you seem fairly unconcerned. Well, you mean the strategy of which... Going out there and you talked about, you know, comparisons to 1930s Germany and your state of the state.
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Yep.
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That does seem to be the main vulnerability so far in the first 39, 40 days of the Trump administration, which is centered around what Doge is doing, the kind of cuts that they're making. There have been several judges that have said this is illegal. Elon Musk's popularity has been plummeting. Well, Trump's has gone down a little bit, but not nearly the change that we've seen with Musk.
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Voters two to one aren't comfortable with what Doge is doing. Do you think that that is a central point of focus where Democrats can— play it safe in opposing Trump without seeming like they're out of step with their voters.
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Well, especially if you don't even have a real role. And I think all of us were a little bit surprised to hear that Amy Gleeson is actually the administrator of Doge. I think she was on Mexican vacation when she heard about that one. But I do agree with you that that seems to be the soft spot in all of this.
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And you brought up Medicaid, which I wanted to talk to you about this spending bill that the Republicans have pushed through narrowly through Congress. It looks a bit dead on arrival in the Senate. Even hardcore conservatives like Josh Hawley are saying they are not going to sign anything that cuts Medicaid like that. Twenty one percent of his constituents are on Medicaid.
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But you've seen Hakeem Jeffries centering his messaging around these cuts. specifically to Medicaid. What will Illinois do to protect Medicaid beneficiaries if these cuts do come through? Are you guys going to back them up and make sure that they still have their health care? Or what can people do on an individual state basis?
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Absolutely. I think that they often rely on the fact that some of their own supporters aren't necessarily going to actually look at the language of the bill or connect the dots for them. But I think the Democrats have actually done a very good job of drawing that line straight to the Medicaid pot.
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And I'm glad to hear that you do have a backup plan, though obviously these things will not be adequate to compensate for it. And it's a tough position to be in to be championing what the federal government is doing for you because I think people, generally speaking, are suspicious of it or aren't taking account of the things in their daily lives that are from the government.
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But it seems like the smartest way forward with us to say there are inefficiencies, but you get a hell of a lot out of the federal government.
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Yes.
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Absolutely. I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about immigration, which was such a central piece of the presidential election, obviously. And what happened under the Biden administration hurt candidate Biden and then candidate Harris a lot more than maybe some expected it to.
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You have discussed the fact that you will cooperate with ICE insofar as they are coming to pick up convicted criminals. Tom Homan has shown up the border czar in Chicago, is talking about rounding up people.
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Where does all of that stand and what are you doing in Illinois to make sure that you can be responsive to the way that people voted and that they believe there is a migrant crisis going on and also protecting people?
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What do you have against Dr. Phil?
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I agree with you on the point, the larger point, but I can't escape the fact that here I'm in New York City. People in Chicago felt exactly the same way that the migrant crisis got wildly out of control and that we essentially had an open border policy. And then once some Republican governors started busing migrants up to our cities, that we realized what life is like in Eagle Pass, Texas.
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for our fellow Americans there. And there were a number of city council meetings in Chicago that were widely covered. We did here at Fox where residents were showing up and talking about how their resources were being diverted to people who were here illegally and that that wasn't okay, that it had to be, in this sense, America first.
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And that's been a key contributor to Mayor Brandon Johnson's low approval rating. I believe it was 6% in an M3 poll that came out earlier this week
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What can be done about that to make sure that, you know, people who love the cities that they live in, who love immigrants the way that you're talking about, but feel like we're not on their side or people in elected office are not on their side, feel like they're more responsive to them?
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Absolutely. I want to stick on Chicago for a second and talk about the public school education problem, which is not just an issue for Chicago. It's happening nationally, but particularly pronounced there. You know, bad testing rates, you have low enrollment, kids not showing up to school, teachers unions want a new contract. How do you think we can revive the American public school system?
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Yeah. I wanted to, as an extension of the school conversation, could you talk a little bit about your push to ban cell phones in school and, you know, some of what you're hearing also from concerned parents that they won't be able to reach their kids if, God forbid, there's an emergency?
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Last thing, and I do this with all of our guests. What's one thing that makes you rage? And what's one thing that you think we should all just calm down about?
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Absolutely. And calm down about something? Or should we just...
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That's an answer.
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Amen to that. All right, Governor Pritzker, thank you so much for your time. I loved getting to interview.
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I agree with you. I just also happen to think that the last few years, we just had the third anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. Scott is off today, but I've got the great Anthony Scaramucci on the show. Anthony, welcome. How are you doing? Thank you for joining me.
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There's been ample time for people on both sides of the aisle who feel the same way that we do about protecting democracies and giving Ukraine the chance not only to be a sovereign nation, but to even get into NATO and to be part of this group with us, have had the opportunity to litigate that to the American public, right? There have been, you know, everyone...
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You know, high up on either side, the Chuck Schumers of the world, Mitch McConnell's of the world, President Biden, President Trump used to be speaking a lot more fondly about Ukraine, certainly than he has been in the last couple of weeks. It seems like some sort of switch has flipped. But the American public. is not as open to that argument anymore.
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Obviously, Republicans more than Democrats, but over 40% of the American public thinks we just give too much aid to Ukraine. And we are in an enormously selfish phase in American history where people are saying, well, what about me? What about my life here?
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And that's a result of the fact that our leadership has never been able to properly explain why USAID is a good thing, why it makes sense to keep people safe and fed abroad because it pumps money back into our economy anyway. But being in a safer, more prosperous world is better for a safer and more prosperous America. And I fear that it is too late for that.
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I was particularly struck by the scenes out of the meeting in London yesterday on Sunday with all the European leaders and the NATO leaders. And you think while we were a major topic of conversation, the U.S. and getting us back to the table and that maybe Zelensky just has to sign that minerals rights deal, which seems like a big loser for him since it has no security allowances.
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But you see the rest of the world or our friends or who I thought were our friends going about their business without us. And it doesn't feel like at least for the next three and a half years that the U.S. is going to want back on that ramp. Right. We are choosing a different path in it.
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So do you actually think it's possible to make that argument to an American electorate that doesn't seem that interested in it?
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That's why I invited you on this podcast, Anthony. Thank you.
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And the Canadians are being very specific about how they are executing these tariffs. They are targeting products that come out of right-leaning states that have Republicans in charge and majority of voters who voted to elect Donald Trump. So things like orange juice, bourbon, whiskey. And they want to be specific about it, and they understand that the country is really split along these lines.
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I shouldn't say they're split on what they think of tariffs because a large majority of people know that tariffs are just a tax on the consumer. So you have Republicans that are concerned about this. Ron Johnson was on Fox this morning talking about how it's a tax. Mitch McConnell was on 60 Minutes yesterday talking about how this is a tax. You have them asking for these exemptions from it.
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And you really have got to wonder, besides the fact that Donald Trump just likes tariffs, and maybe it's that simple. The man talks about McKinley more than anyone, probably even members of McKinley's family talks about him, that he just has this fascination with it. Right, people run Walmart. Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. I wonder if he is going to have to find some way to backtrack.
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And I know that he would argue this is just the opening salvo, but the opening salvo was supposed to be a few percentage points, right? Not going for 25%. And I know that the market didn't open as far down as it did on Deep Seek Day last week. I was curious why you thought that that was, that it wasn't as much of a hit as I would have expected, at least opening bell.
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It was a good one though.
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Yeah, I liked it.
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I'm pretty depressed.
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Well, I think maybe democracy is ending. Last week, you were so over your skis, or I thought so, and I was like, hey, it's okay. Let's figure out what to work with the other side on. And this weekend, I was just melting down the whole time. And then Luka Doncic got traded to the Lakers in the middle of the night. Do you care about the NBA at all?
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I think it was Toronto. It was a Raptors game, right?
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I think so. Just to your point about how quickly this can be reversed, while you were word salad-ing, which I actually got a lot of sense out of and I have something to respond to that, there was an announcement that Claudia Scheinbaum, the president of Mexico, has negotiated a one-month delay on the tariffs.
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So this all fits nicely, though, into the manufactured chaos of everything and that they want us at every single moment to be looking in a thousand different directions and to be outraged about all of these different things so that you can't see the forest through the trees. I think that's what that phrase is. And it feels as if...
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the takeover of the government by an unelected, unconfirmed, almost trillionaire, right, or will be certainly by the end of this, is absolutely the forest through the trees of this. And Musk has such a personal touch on all of the very aggressive and very underhanded tactics that are being used
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in the management of Trump's second term, that I think it's almost indisputable that he is this co-president, which I know pissed off Trump when people were saying things like that. And yes, of course, Trump is the most powerful man in the world because he's actually in control of our military. But the influence that Musk has had is so far-reaching.
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I mean, he's the henchman that is going out there and bullying all of the senators who might not vote for the nominees that they want for cabinet. And the newest one, Todd Young from Indiana, is probably not interested in Tulsi Gabbard's brand of national security that last week during her confirmation hearings, she just couldn't get there to call Edward Snowden a traitor.
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And you had Democrats and Republicans alike basically begging her just to say the guy is a traitor.
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And that's something that I think is pretty fundamental to someone who's going to be heading up 18 intelligence agencies. So now Todd Young is being bullied. There was a big Politico piece about what happened in the back rooms to get Tom Tillis to vote for Pete Hegseth, and by extension, what happened with Joni Ernst before that, two people who didn't seem like they were going to.
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And if they had added on to Murkowski and Collins and Mitch McConnell— that Hexeth wouldn't have been confirmed. And I don't know what can be done about this. And this brings me back to where I started of feeling really depressed or just despondent about the whole thing. And I'm an optimistic person. I've been accused of being a Pollyanna once or twice in my life.
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But it seems like that there are really few bright spots, especially because there has been no delivery of lower prices or the crime rate hasn't fallen or that they're deporting the bad guys.
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And I understand that there's a difference between how you're going to be holding some of the world's worst terrorists and how you're going to be holding migrants that either have deportation orders or who have done something terrible like murdered an American or who are pedophiles, people that none of us want in here. But everything just is blazing red un-American to me at this point.
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And I think that the answer, or at least this is what my husband has been telling me, is that my definition of America isn't applicable anymore. That whether we like it or not, we have undergone a revolution. That's what happened at the ballot box. on November 5th in 2024.
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He is—he's Slovenian, isn't he? He's a basketball player who was on the Dallas Mavericks. He's probably going to be an MVP. Five-time All-Star. He's amazing. Anyway, there was a tweet Saturday night saying, Luka Doncic to the Lakers for Anthony Davis, which is just an absurd trade. And I thought that the reporter had been hacked because it was so ludicrous. Woke up Sunday morning— And it's true.
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And that's not to say that this was the shellacking that a lot of people have made it seem, but it put a person back in office that so many millions of people think can take absolutely any action that he and those around him want in pursuit of whatever their stated goal of the day is. And I don't know how we come back from that.
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There is so much evidence that this has nothing to do with efficiency. This is a coup. That's what's happening. Bill Maher used to say it's a slow-moving coup. This is now a fast-moving coup. This is day 15 of it when this goes live and day 14 when we're recording it. It's pretty... fucking fast that this is happening, and they are banking on our inability to do anything about it.
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And I have friends who are saying, well, what about the lawsuits? And there are a bunch of lawsuits that have been filed, and they were able to unfreeze the freeze, but they will be able to break things so fast that a lawsuit will not get to them. And we essentially, if you needed Mike Pence on January 6th, you need thousands of Mike Pence's now to be able to do this.
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And it seems like the good people of the DOJ and the FBI and all of these agencies feel up to the job. And they are dug in. There are all these amazing Reddit threads where folks who work in the bureaucracy are saying, you know, I was thinking about the buyout and now I'm showing up to work and I'm going to make sure that we support and defend the Constitution.
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But at a moment where the Democratic Party is pretty weak and we're really struggling with a message and getting it together and having a unified theme in all of this, that we don't stand much of a chance to be able to stop what's already begun.
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And the trade deadline for everyone is February 6th. Anyway.
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That was crazy. But you don't care.
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I totally agree with you. And I see I watched all the Sunday shows and you see the Democrats have clearly gotten that memo, but it's still so clunky in the delivery. Right. You got a question about X. And then before I get into that, do you know how much eggs cost today, Marge? Like. What? It's not flowing cohesively at this point, but yes, it's obviously going to be about the prices. So go back.
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That was just. An egg aside.
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I couldn't do. I'm bad with like salary caps and stuff.
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Well, he was on The Mavericks, which your pal Mark Cuban used to own. So I've contextualized it. I've made it a little personal for you. No, don't care. Anyway, what did you do?
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This isn't going to work out for us, which is what they had to do with unfreezing the freeze, right, before it even got to court. Apparently there was a difference of opinion there. from Trump's camp versus the OMB and the Doge folks, even though the head of OMB isn't even confirmed at this point. I tend to agree with you about DEI.
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I think that it's an easy scapegoat for people that don't want to do real thinking about how to reform agencies, make things more efficient. and also be more inclusive, which is one of our strengths as a country. But going back to what I was saying about maybe my vision of America doesn't compute with how people see America these days, and we don't have the same set of shared values.
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But what I noticed during... The aftermath of the plane crash and this was going on. I was on the five every day last week because the Democrat that I share the seat with was out. So I had the continuity of day after day after day after day on it and seeing how the story was shifting from my... Republican counterparts and how they were trying to move around the facts that were coming out.
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Things like the same DEI policy that was implemented under Obama, Trump kept it and even sent out new recruiting materials in 2019 looking for people with all the characteristics that they sit up there and decry and try to blame this for. Or even watching Trump shapeshift on the first day of the crisis where he comes out, you know, hot about DEI. Then he hears that the pilots were white.
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So he was like, what do I do now? So then he says DEI actually just means incompetence. And then there's the natural correlation or extension, I should say, which is that you think that people of color or women or people who are part of the LGBTQ plus community are incompetent.
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But that was a safe place that people that support him and this war against DEI could hide, where they said, well, we're just talking about incompetency. And of course, no one wants an air traffic controller that's incompetent. The real problem is recruitment. And Pete Buttigieg had requested this, made a big stink about it in 2023, saying we need more FAA controllers.
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And if you have on the night of the crash, which we did, one controller that is talking to both the helicopter and the plane, it's a recipe for disaster. And we'll see what the NTSB finds in all of this.
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I think that they have been incredibly professional and the right balance also of, you know, we want to get to the bottom of this and also so emotional when it comes to dealing with the families who are obviously grieving, all these young figure skaters. that had these hugely bright futures ahead of them that were on that plane.
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But we are in this dangerous place where the talking points like DEI are cover for all sorts of of deeply racist and bigoted and anti-American sets of values. And they have been able to very effectively hide behind them. And I was thinking a lot about the impact that Javier Millay has had on this administration. So the president of Argentina, who came in in 2023,
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Is it because his older brother is home?
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big reformer, and he's essentially the model for what Musk and Trump are doing right now. So fire tens of thousands of bureaucrats.
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Shut down entire departments, halt infrastructure projects, slash energy and transportation subsidies. I mean, it's really crazy, actually, to look at how aligned they are with what he has done. And Argentina has, there are obviously still a lot of problems there, but they have had some very positive results, which no one has been able to deny.
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And then Malay shows up in Davos last week and gives this speech that most regarded as incredibly bigoted and attacked many members of the Argentinian community. And you see the applause or the inability, I guess, to separate the good parts of this from the bad parts of this. And it's like you have to be a mean kid in order to be effective. And I just don't understand that.
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That's my wheelhouse.
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There were all of these very effective leaders, and I'm not a math of Ronald Reagan gal, but I understand how many people feel passionately about him and his legacy. And He didn't feel the need to talk like that. And I know that the policies had a lot of negative implications for people.
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It's where I live.
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But even the way that we have made it okay to be so crass and so nasty and cutting and so obviously telegraph the fact that you don't think that the people that you govern are equals to you, that our humanity is not equal. That being on display from the most important pulpit in the world, I think spells a really dangerous future for all of us.
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For the real fun.
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I assume speaking gig and not Disney World. Or maybe a speaking gig at Disney World?
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I totally agree. I always thought that we lost a bit of ground on the Dobbs decision because we didn't message about it being an economic issue enough. And we just seemed like people that were screaming about access to reproductive health care without talking about the brass tacks of who's actually in need of this, because there will be options for people who have financial flexibility. And
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even if they are in an emergency crisis, let alone have the time to go across state lines or go abroad to get the care that they need. So I think looking through the prism of the economy is the way to do it. And it's also the only way it was shown in the election that voters respond to anything. It has to be about their bottom line.
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And people are doing less and less for other people and more and more for themselves. I'm very concerned about all of these data sets that are being taken down from the CDC site, the NIH site, the USAID site, because they are the key for people who work in the public sector in general, especially the healthcare industry, to be able to take care of people the world over.
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I love Disney. Oh, I can so see that.
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And there are some prominent folks who have worked in these agencies that are sounding the alarm. They're all over social media. They're talking to whatever reporters that they can, including this guy, Atul Gawande, who was the former head of global health at USAID, talking about how this is all just a gift to our enemies and competitors. It's not a pause.
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And I thought that was really important that he called it out, that they are telling you that this is a pause, that everything will be restored. It'll be, you know, just less the things that we shouldn't be doing and the things that are actually appropriate. But he said it's the destruction of the agency. And I thought this was really powerful.
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We're on the verge of ending HIV, TB, and malaria, funding the treatment of 20 million people with HIV worldwide, including 6.5 million orphans worldwide. Who else is going to be taking care of those orphans, especially in countries where there isn't infrastructure to take care of them, where as a society, they don't care. That's how they ended up in this position.
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If we get our new 8,000 subscribers, it will be because I am the Luka Doncic ex-Disney World gal. I think Disney is so fun and I can't wait to take Cleo, who's three. I've heard like four is really the sweet spot, but there's a lot that she could still do. It's the happiest place on earth.
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Someone just dropped them off on a doorstep, and they had a chance of actually living somewhere and being taken care of because of this. You know, we have bird flu coming. There's Ebola in Uganda again. Price of eggs, going back to it, I finally could get some. Whole Foods had been out for several days. I was able to stock up, though, but at an increased price point, of course.
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It's really disturbing. Are people up to the task? You're talking about the journalists. Yeah. Two of the most major pieces of journalism on this have come from Wired, and you already cited one of them. I'm concerned about the actual bodies to do the journalism, but then also the depth of understanding to be able to do the job well. Because when you're dealing with Elon Musk...
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And these kids that are running Doge with him that are coming out of Silicon Valley or these institutions where they have been steeped in technology and understanding things that are way above my head that you need people to be reporting on them that actually understand what's going on. And I don't know if those voices are getting the right level of amplification.
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And I mean that literally in terms of on social media is the guy who's running the algorithm, keeping those voices out of the discourse. I would say yes. And if you look at what happened in the election, you can see that. Coming to the fore. But are we doing enough as private citizens to be amplifying these voices as well?
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Because there's a lot of, you know, people screaming from the rooftops, you know, saying democracy dies in darkness. But what are the practical things that we can be doing to be able to tell this story in a way that's penetrating the average American voice?
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That needs to know this going into the next set of elections, but even to be able to prepare themselves for whatever is to come next over the course of the next two years, which is the next time that we're going to get the opportunity to say something at the ballot box.
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Well, it also is exposing, I think, a mistake that a lot of us made, certainly I made, in talking about, oh, it'll be fine. Marco Rubio's great, right? So I'm really happy with the foreign policy apparatus that he's put into place. Marco Rubio is rubber stamping this. And he hired this guy, Darren Beatty or Beatty.
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He was fired from Duke for attending a conference with white nationalists, and he was too extreme for a junior role as a speechwriter in Trump's first administration when there were adults around. He said that NATO is a bigger threat than the Chinese Communist Party. Whites in the U.S. are treated better than Uyghurs.
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And he told Tim Scott and a bunch of other Black people that they need to bend the knee on January 6th and that other Black people should, quote unquote, learn their place. So that's how he was spending his day. And this is who Marco Rubio has on his team. So if Scott Besson, you know, almost a year ago is talking about how tariffs are rarely used and shouldn't be discharged.
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And we have this fight with Canada and maybe impending with Mexico in a month whenever they get their stuff together. You have this guy being a support system for Marco Rubio. Are there going to be any adults left in the room?
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Or you have another parent that helps.
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My dad, too. You guys were the only two of us.
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What a cool sibling tandem, by the way.
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I think it was a lot having to do with his personal touch. So there are 488 voting members of the Democratic National Committee for this. He called every single one of them and spent up to two hours on the phone with them. So he didn't just, you know... hit, you know, line one, can I count on your vote? Line two, can I count on your vote? He said, talk to me. What's been going on here?
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And a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's been so enmeshed in the organization. He's been a vice chair since 2017, I think it is. So he seemed like he was really the people's pick in all of that. And I think that that's a very good direction for us to be going in. Yeah. Sucks for leadership like Schumer and Pelosi and Jeffries.
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Also, big donors Soros and Reid Hoffman were backing Ben Wickler, who is much more of the media darling in all of this. And also, I don't want to minimize how effective he's been in Wisconsin. And that is certainly a model for all of us. But it seems like Ken Martin had that personal touch that folks liked. And I loved this quote.
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You know, they were talking about how some have called him a knife fighter and a Democrat said he's like Stalin. And I say that as a compliment. And I would love to have some Stalin energy on our side in terms of being ruthless over the course of the next two to four years. figuring out what our message is.
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And he talked a lot about getting back to our working class roots, which is definitely the direction that we have to be going in. And I'm hopeful that he can get the job done. It was quite the contrast though. So he won by a decisive victory, but there are all of these clips floating around of what was also going on at the DNC, you know, stuff about pronouns and
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I think that's most of the male-female dynamic, frankly.
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Starting with a land acknowledgement, Jamie Harrison gave an interview. He's the outgoing chair of the DNC where he said that we should have stuck with Biden, which I think would have led to over 400 electoral votes for Trump if Biden had stayed on the top of the ticket.
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And so there's this contrast between being positive and hopeful about what the future holds for the party and also thinking that there are still a lot of headwinds coming fast and furious towards us.
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And that you almost can't have anyone around a position of power who would say something like Biden should have stayed on top of the ticket looking at the results of the election and where the electorate is now. And most importantly, 7 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 sat at home. That is our target. We have to be laser focused in on those people.
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I can see it, but I don't understand it, and I still want to hang with it, right? You're like...
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The bench is bad? I usually hear the messaging is bad, but I feel like there are all these up-and-coming stars.
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I think that that's fair. I agree with you, not necessarily for an age cutoff, but just for people coming to their senses and realizing that even if they can still physically walk and talk, that there are people who need to be nurtured and to have the opportunity and that we do have a dearth of people waiting to have their opportunity.
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I wanted to shout out, though, there are a few people you already said AOC. I think Chris Murphy on the Senate side has been great over the course of the last week. And a lot of it he's doing through his own social media. I don't think Instagram Live is going to save us per se from the hostile takeover of the government by Elon Musk and co.
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But I liked seeing what he had to say about it and that it was the rapid response. People don't care that much if you are absolutely right about every detail. And the details are moving so quickly that within a couple of hours, part of what you've said... is unfortunately going to have been inaccurate. But they want to see the passion. They want to see the fight.
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And they want to see that you care and that you're using all of the tools in your arsenal to make sure that the American public knows that there are still people there fighting for them. Agree with you about Michael Bennett. I thought one of the most powerful moments during the RFK Jr.
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confirmation hearing, and God, I hope that he doesn't get through, but I am so afraid of everyone being pushed into line by these bullying tactics, was Maggie Hassan from New Hampshire. I don't know if you saw this, but she was basically in tears talking to RFK Jr. about her son, 36 years old, cerebral palsy.
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I think it's at both, but World doesn't.
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I'm sure you had this as well with your partner where you just think, oh, I know it's the third trimester. I can have a glass of wine, but should I? Or I really would love to have... some cold cuts or is having this sushi going to be okay?
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Or God forbid I fell in the subway or walking down the street, whatever it is, and what are the implications for this little person that I already love more than I thought I could love anything in this world?
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And it brought me to tears watching her talk about that and having to do that in a confirmation hearing for someone who is going to run our healthcare system and can't say that vaccines don't cause autism.
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I don't know, but they were 26 bucks.
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It's dystopia.
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You just don't think that it's really happening. It feels very strange. You're watching Kash Patel and them holding up a picture saying, you know, did you post this meme of chainsawing Democrats? And this can't possibly be happening. And he's going to soar through.
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No, I know you're really desperate.
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Well, Scott, since you asked, no, pickups, drop-offs. I'm going to Disney World. Well, that part, I'm jealous of that part. My daughter went to her first tennis class where they don't really use rackets, but they, you know, meet the ball and the racket. It was very cute. It's all just about the videos and the pictures, right?
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And they love it.
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Like, well, we love ourselves no matter how old we are. Narcissists from birth.
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See you later.
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We can jazz it up. It'd be fun.
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I spent a lot of time prepping for this conversation and dealing with that question explicitly. Like, what do I think is the most egregious example of the overreach that's going on, of the constitutional crisis that I believe we are at the beginnings of, having an unelected bureaucrat with access to all of our most sensitive information and turning on and off government contracts and
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You know, plane crashes where 67 people lost their lives that the president and his cabinet seem woefully unprepared to deal with or to even be able to express the right sentiments to the public and I assume to the grieving families as well. I don't know. It almost feels like you should just go in chronological order of catastrophe.
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But I do think, because we were recording this on Monday, and God knows what tomorrow will look like, that what Doge is doing with... you know, purging the FBI, the DOJ, and then shutting down the USAID site. It's now, you can still access it off the Secretary of State site, state.gov. But,
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I think we should probably start there because it's so representative of the fact that we don't have three co-equal branches of the government anymore. What Elon Musk is doing is completely unprecedented, and it seems like he has unfettered access to anything that he wants, plus the five or six 19 to 24-year-olds that are running Doge with him. I saw this tweet that I thought was so funny.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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So the private information of every American is now in the hands of six guys not old enough to rent a car. Well, you're not laughing, so you didn't think it was that funny. But it's crazy what's going on.
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I don't know if you watch Game of Thrones, but... We already talked about this, and I don't, and I told you that, and I have two daughters.
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Well, I think a critical component of the way Trump sees the world is enmeshed in your statement about being really mean. And I think that they uphold this notion that having friends doesn't actually really matter. Everything is for sale. Everything is a bargaining chip, an exchange. We're all associates more than we're actually friends or colleagues.
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And Justin Trudeau said as much that he had been trying to speak to Trump since the inauguration, hasn't been able to. And he even went down to Mar-a-Lago, right, and kissed the ring. and said, you know, I want to find ways to work together. So Trump doesn't care about friends at all. He doesn't believe in allies, certainly in the way that we've conceived of them.
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I don't think that he's thought about or really cares about the second-order effect of this, which was the same as we were talking about last week with Colombia and Panama, Mexico, that maybe everyone actually gets together behind our backs. And we end up really isolated and alone from all of this. And for some of them, not necessarily Mexico, but like.
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Columbia, for instance, that they turn to China, who are their second biggest trading partners in reaction to us changing the way that we do business, to put it politely. But you see these Republicans melting down and freaking out about what's going to happen to their constituents. Chuck Grassley is on X begging for certain exemptions.
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Couldn't you argue, though, that they're doing that because they're afraid of President Trump? And what he might do versus that they genuinely feel some sort of affection for him or they've seen the light. Like with Mark Zuckerberg, I think that that's quite clear what's going on. He doesn't want to be investigated. He already has a case that's coming up. So I don't know.
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You think everyone just woke up one day and were like, oh, you know, I've been blind to how incredible President Trump is and what a huge victim he is. Or people are trying to be smart business folks.
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media allowances like the first amendment somehow applies less to people because they like or vote for donald trump and that's just not fair and i think there's been a big comeuppance that way i i totally agree with you i mean i listen i i work our colleagues feel similarly to you i talk about this on an almost daily basis i would know what the laptop story that was down for 24 hours and donald trump was the one in office when this was going on and coordinated with social media companies
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for quote unquote censorship, certainly about COVID, just the same as any Democrat would have. But, you know, I tend to think the election was not going to get swayed on Hunter Biden's dick pics. And that was what was the main concern of his father, which were on that laptop. But listen. What's done is done.
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And frankly, I think Democrats would have been better off if Trump had won in 2020 versus won this time. And I know a lot of people in his orbit who feel the same way that he had those four years to prepare for this new administration and is doing things obviously very differently and in some ways getting higher marks. His approval is up.
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His approval on immigration, that's the only area that he is above water. And I want to get into talking about that. But You know, the American public seems to be broadly behind him in that. So I always appreciate how quickly you can get to the points that you want to make as someone who tries to do this for a living. I'm always like, I should be more like Kellyanne. I could get there faster.
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But... Before we get off of Signalgate, do you feel that they are going to stop using this app for these kinds of conversations, that there will be a lesson learned? Because I do think in general that the American public is forgiving. And they want to hear that there has been responsibility taken and that there are going to be changes made.
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And I know that, I mean, it was public reporting, so you could say that it was inaccurate, but that apparently Susie Wiles and Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance were... wanted Trump to get rid of Mike Waltz, that Pete Hegseth is safe in all of this, even though he was sharing the specifics in enormous detail that everyone who has served has said couldn't be anything but classified.
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But do you think there is going to be a change of direction in terms of how they communicate about these matters? Perhaps.
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I do think it's a lot bigger than that. And my foundational question is about it just being fully investigated in the same way that the Hillary Clinton server was or the classified documents cases on either side with Biden and Trump, though that was cut prematurely short by his win. And to your points about the Biden administration and the withdrawal from Afghanistan, they lost, right?
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So using this example or trying to go back in time and using it as a comp, Biden-Harris lost, or Harris-Walls, which was the extension of Biden-Harris. And the American public did largely feel the same way as you. But Biden's approval rating dropped after the Afghanistan withdrawal, and it never recovered. At some points, it went even lower, I think the lowest in history.
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Yeah, well, I do have to. Scott isn't here to say it for himself, but someone who gets pulled over for a DUI has on average done it 80 times. So that is the larger issue here. I am thrilled that the mission was successful. You know, fist pump, American flag, fire emoji. All of the things.
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I just think that we need to be more careful about this and, you know, really get to the bottom of how often this is going on, especially with a group that big. That doesn't usually involve Jeffrey Goldberg. But we have more to talk about. So let's take a quick break. Stay with us.
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Welcome back. I want to talk about immigration, but if we can quickly touch on tariffs, because I don't think I've actually heard you speak about, quote unquote, Liberation Day, which is coming up on Wednesday when we're going to shake up the world trade order and make sure that Americans are, quote unquote, treated fairly. Where do you stand on this?
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What's your temperature on the use of tariffs? Because we know the American public is not into them, and that's strong majorities across all our polling, including the Fox poll. On that one, 69% said it's going to make products more expensive for us. It's by far and away Trump's weakest product. point.
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Lutnick was— I think that was the JG that was supposed to be in the chat, by the way. The Jeffrey Goldberg was the Jameson Greer.
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You did say build the wall, but the wall didn't get built. So maybe the lesson is that the tariffs just aren't going to happen because you're right. February 3rd, they were coming on and then they were taken off. And Claudia Scheinbaum basically repackaged something that was already happening. Those troops were promised under the Biden administration.
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And as you mentioned, any death from fentanyl should never happen. But fentanyl is not our problem with the Canadians. And Trump was the one who negotiated the USMCA if he has such huge problems with it. But My concern is for the American public. They know that this is going to hurt them. We've heard from Peter Navarro, Secretary Lutnick, etc., that there'd be some short term pain.
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Even President Trump has said it and J.D. Vance has said it. And I don't know if the American public deserves that when they do.
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you know, took a big leap of faith, a lot of these voters, and went with Trump, people who were traditionally Democratic voters or might have sat out, and they thought that their lives were going to get economically better on day one because that's what they were promised. And tariffs, I'm not saying they can't be used.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Obviously, we kept the China tariffs that Trump implemented under Biden, even extended them, I think, threefold. But it's a very risky gamble for this grand bargain that he's going after, the Mar-a-Lago Accords or whatever we're going to end up having.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Totally. I'm happy to do that. And I know that there are some smart people on my side of the aisle who think that we do need the higher levels of tariffs like the Bernie Sanders and the Sherrod Browns of the world, Tim Ryan. But, you know, whatever.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
When I look at the larger picture, and this will get us to immigration as well, but we have a 35% chance now, Goldman Sachs says, of going into a recession, which we did not have. We have slow GDP growth. Consumer confidence is falling at a rapid pace. So it's not as rosy as one would or that you were painting it. And I get it. You know, progress is slow, but certain.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Yeah, so there was a lot in there, and I want to try to pick most of it apart, but there were a ton of specifics in the conversation, most coming from Secretary Hegseth, some coming from National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, that are not just casual conversation. People have said this is obviously classified. If someone of a lower rank had done something like this,
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But when you look at the reconciliation bill and the fact that they want to jam through these tax cuts for people, not just the high earners and what we thought of it of people earning over $400,000, but $700,000. And they're going to offset that with cuts to Medicaid up to $880 billion. You know, that's going to be inflationary. And that's just like a payout also to your friends.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And how are you also going to avoid huge inflation with the deportations? And that's how I want to get us into this immigration conversation, because, you know,
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
ice is doing what i said that they were going to we know that it is inflationary to have what half the workforce that you were going to have not just when we stop getting our goods from canada that funds the hotel industry you know all our lumber cement etc but i How do you square those things? Deporting some of these criminals? It's more than that.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And, you know, well, you know that it's more than that. I do want to talk about the criminal part of it and the fact that there are at least that we know of a few innocents that have been sent to this El Salvadorian prison camp for having tattoos that no one paid attention to, like what they actually were, like the autism awareness tattoo or a crown. with mom written on it.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But yeah, if he does do a deportation for us, which was one of his promises and certainly what Tom Holman wants, what is the outcome of that going to be?
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
they would be out of a job and maybe going before a military tribunal. The American public knows how serious this is. You have did some polling on it. Fifty three percent say that this is a serious problem. And conversely, for instance, Trump's classified documents case was less as a percentage, less serious. Clinton's emails, as well as Biden's classified documents.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So the American public understands that this is very serious and it's not something to brush over. And I don't think the administration is going to be able to, even if you want to paint this as something of a media obsession.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. Scott's off today, but I've got a guest who knows the inner workings of Trump's world better than most. She's been in the room, she's seen how the machine operates, and she's here to help us make sense of what's happening inside the current administration. Kellyanne Conway joins us today. Welcome to the show, Kellyanne. Thank you, Jess.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Yeah, understood. Mahmoud Khalil is here on a green card, which is a much higher threshold than just a student visa. And the student that you're referring to from Columbia, I believe her first name is Chung. She's been here since she was seven from South Korea. And I think, at least based on the reporting that I've seen, that she just participated in a sit-in.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And now we don't... Her lawyers know where she is, but we don't know where she is at this point. And I'm... You know, I was very outspoken about the protests on campus. I did think that the university presidents were clearly not doing enough.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And if you had slotted in any other protected class for Jew, this never would have been allowed to proliferate if you had been blocking trans kids or black kids from going to classes or going to Chabad. But it does feel like this administration is really overreaching in terms of regulating students.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
The First Amendment, which is something that they claim to be celebrating during the campaign and try to make it out like we were the party that couldn't take it, that couldn't listen to people who have divergent viewpoints. And I'm concerned about that. And I'm concerned about how they're going after big law firms.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And some of these law firms that they're targeting are just guilty of, you know, representing people with cases that the Trump administration didn't like or having anything to do with Jack Smith. And I think the ones that are capitulating, as you said, offering $40 million, $100 million of quote unquote pro bono work are just kind of laying down for Trump.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And I'm glad to see that there are other law firms that are standing with the Perkins Coos of the world and standing up to them. We have one more topic, though. We got to take a quick break. Stay with us. Welcome back. I'm still here with Kellyanne, who has been so gracious with her time.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I think this is probably going to be your favorite conversation because I'm opening myself up to Democratic criticism, or at least I'm inviting it, versus you're always good at getting it, even when I don't ask for it. But we're only two months into the administration. I would love—I mean, it sounds like you do think that it has been going— really well thus far. And Democrats are scrambling.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
We know this, especially, I think, on the Senate side. In the House, I think Hakeem Jeffries has been doing a good job. But, you know, where do you think things stand in terms of the Democratic reboot or what we have to do? The New York Times editorial board was out this weekend with an op-ed that basically said that Democrats are in denialism of the message from 2024.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And then I also want to get your take and maybe actually do this one first on on what life after Trump looks like for the Republican Party. He called Kristen Welker over the weekend and basically said that a third term was a possibility, that there are methods to do it. But for the purpose of this conversation, you know, let's say that he is going to leave office when his term is up.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Where do you think the Republican Party goes?
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Listen, I'm not one of the ones who's in denial about what happened. And I think there's a lot of truth to what you were saying. But if Donald Trump is the guy, right, he is the heart and soul of this party and he will not be on the ballot in 2028. I'm going to mark you down for the he knows that he has to go category. Right.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I mean, crazy people talk to all of us.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But you were, I mean, you were a standout in 2020 amongst people who were close to him who never bought into the big lie. You said, Mr. President, you lost the election and, you know, you got to move out. So... Are you saying the door is open to a third term? No, I'm saying that there's talk of it again when your colleagues in the media. This is him on the phone with Kristen Welker. I'm not.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
This isn't colleagues in the media. It's in his own voice. Well, but again, he's hearing that from people. So what? I've heard that I'm the most beautiful woman in the world. I know it's not true.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Thank you.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Okay. We've got to leave it there. And if we talk more, I want to talk about Josh Shapiro and Wes Moore because they are not democratic socialists. And I think they're doing a pretty good job. But I take all the criticism. I'm into the South flagellation about what happened. I want to thank you, especially Kellyanne, for being here with me and everyone for listening to Raging Moderates.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Make sure to follow us wherever you get your podcasts so you don't miss an episode. And thank you for being here, Kellyanne. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Nice to be with you. It's nice to be with you off campus a bit. I feel like, you know, we're always at Fox and you have like three minutes to speak and now we have an hour.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Well, I actually think that that was just responsible, frankly. If you have the oldest president in history, you should be open to the fact that he might pass away. But listen, I know that I'm going to have a very bad April on the 5th. I am prepared for it. We're going to be talking about this ad nauseum. But I'm not trying to do a comparison.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I'm trying to have a conversation about this as a scandal in and of itself. And I do want to note that the Trump's classified documents case, it wasn't adjudicated. It was dismissed because Donald Trump won. Eileen Cannon just did what he wanted. And Hillary Clinton was investigated by the FBI, the State Department, and Congress over that. And as you said, she ended up losing the election.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
So using those as... comps I don't think is really fair in this circumstance. And it seems quite clear from the Wall Street Journal's reporting that National Security Advisor Mike Waltz used information that we got from the Israelis, so an ally of ours, an incredibly important one, about the missile expert who was heading into his girlfriend's house, which they ended up striking.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Let's dig in. In today's episode of Raging Moderates, we're going to be talking about the biggest scandal to hit the Trump administration yet, Trump's immigration policies heading to the Supreme Court, and what a post-Trump world looks like for both Republicans and Democrats. So last week, the biggest political story was, by far and away, Signalgate, and the fallout is still unfolding.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
And the Israelis are apparently very upset about this, expressing to the White House that sources and methods were compromised. And seems like a pretty clear line between sources and methods and something being classified. And if we are to grow from this, do you feel like the administration should open themselves up to investigations? There should be a DOJ investigation.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
I know we're going to get the Senate Armed Services looking into it. Roger Wicker is on board with that and Jack Reed, the ranking Democrat as well. But do you think that that's deserved or that we're going to move forward with legitimate and earnest investigations into how something like this could happen and why they were on some of them personal phones and using an unsecured app.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Because, you know, if those phones were hacked by the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, they don't need to have someone's password to get into signal. They can just see everything that's happening on the phone.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Yeah, well, Tulsi had to correct herself from the day before. She had a bit of a brain fog. And, yeah, Signal was installed, and it was Biden-era guidance, but you were supposed to use it for ordinary text messaging. You were not supposed to use it for classified information.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
The Atlantic's editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, somehow got added to a Signal group chat where top Trump administration officials were talking about airstrikes on the Houthis in Yemen. The White House tried to push back, but once the Atlantic published the full transcript, things only got messier.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
But you touched on something that is always, as an outsider who's very interested on the inside of what goes on in Trump world, this tension between how Trump feels about the media and especially someone like Jeffrey Goldberg, who he has been... mad at, to say the least, for several years now because of the suckers and losers story. Well, it's just a lie. Okay.
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Yeah, we're certainly not going to litigate that today, but we know what Jeffrey Goldberg means to Trump. But do you think that the bigger sin, if in the president's mind, is the fact that someone was clearly in contact with Jeffrey Goldberg, maybe obviously unintentionally putting him in that chat and this whole thesis of he got, quote unquote, sucked in is obviously ridiculous, or is what...
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
his top national security heads were doing the bigger sin. So is it the, you know, maybe you're a leaker, you're talking to the press, or is it the sharing of classified information and being in that group chat?
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The Possibility of a Third Trump Term (feat. Kellyanne Conway)
Now Congress is looking into it, Republicans are in damage control mode, and national security concerns are piling up. Kellyanne, what's your kind of top line feeling about so-called Signalgate? What did you think when you saw the story? Do you feel any differently than you did on day one?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Do you feel like the fact that Trump is a bit of a ideological wild card means that he actually might do a Dreamers and TPS deal with the Democrats?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
He's been vocal about finding common ground with Republicans during Trump's new administration, even suggesting that Democrats dial back some of the resistance to Trump's policies to work towards what he calls true democracy.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Yeah, I understood, obviously, why a bunch of the Democratic senators supported Scott Besant for treasury secretary. But I didn't hear anything out of that committee hearing or what he said that sounds like we're going to be successful in lowering prices with the way the economy is set up right now. And that is what voters were interested in and why they picked the other team for this. And
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
I want to shift gears a little bit to talk about where the Democrats are and this feeling is borne out by the data that we've really lost touch with working class voters, that that used to be our coalition. And now we're a coalition backed by people who are more like me, you know, college educated, liberal women and a lot of them white. What do you think?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Democrats can do to build that coalition back and make sure as well that we keep in a lot of the moderate Republicans and independents, people who think like you and came over to the Democratic side for electing Joe Biden and then certainly post January 6th have stuck with us.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Tom, you've made headlines recently, not just for your takes on bipartisanship, but for some controversial stances, like your vote against letting transgender athletes participate in girls' high school sports and your willingness to collaborate with Trump on border control. So let's dive right in. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to start with the basics.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
I cited it yesterday. I said Slippery Little Suckers. It's the best. Yeah.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
You're in Washington, front row seat to all of this. What has stuck out to you so far? And what do you feel is different from Trump 1.0?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Do you think that the people are still open to us if we change course and start showing up at the picnics and at church again?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
OK, I would love that. I was curious, as an extension of what you were just saying, how you think that we can address our problem with younger voters, because that is now an issue that I don't think, you know, I'm an elder millennial, grew up in the Obama era. I never envisioned a world in which the Democratic Party would be so wildly uncool with young people.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
So what do you think we can do about that?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Yeah, we're thrilled to have you. And I hope you'll come on Fox, too, a lot as well.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Now you got to hang out with people like me.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Yeah, it's great. And it's a great medium for you. So one last thing. What issue is most exciting or animating for you to work on and who are some Republicans or even one that you feel like you have a good relationship with and that you're going to be able to get stuff done with?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
That's your big thing.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
I love it. And I'm sure people are also thankful that you have gotten George Santos out of their hair. So he was great comedy. Congressman, thank you so much for your time. I hope that we will see you again. Everyone should also read your op-ed in The New York Times from January 1st.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
It was a nice New Year's Day read about a lot of the themes we talked about here, bipartisanship, where you have to push back, where you can hold the line and also work together. And thank you so much for your time.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Something's very serious indeed. Think of it as the manufactured chaos of everything. And you just touched on a theme that I wanted to talk to you about, which is what do you pay attention to and what do you let slide? Or not slide per se, but just you don't have enough time to respond to everything.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
I totally agree with you and thought mistakenly that J.D. Vance was correct or had talked to Trump about their strategy vis-a-vis the pardon saying, OK, the people who are nonviolent, who were actually just walking around taking pictures, we can all agree to let them go. But if you had assaulted a police officer, you would stay in prison. But Trump decided, as per the reporting, F it, right?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Let them all out. But my question building off of that then is, how do you make that stick to Trump? Because that has been true that he isn't supportive of law enforcement in actual terms versus standing up there and saying, I love the cops, right? Our military isn't getting enough support. The Democrats are anti-American. And people buy that.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
They believe that the Republican Party is the party that supports law and order.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Well, that brings me to the Lake and Riley Act, which you supported and were very vocal of, even though you admitted that the bill is, quote, not perfect. It sends a clear message that we think criminals should be deported. So can you talk a bit about the bill? And then also, there has been significant...
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Democratic pushback on it because it does have provisions in it that we don't generally like. No protections for minors, for dreamers, people who have just been charged with a crime could be deported versus convicted.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
So can you talk about how you arrived at being such a strong supporter of it and how you think it's going to be implemented and hopefully change the face of immigration in the country for the better?
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Yeah, I'd love to.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Yeah, I would love that because, you know, over the weekend, Tom Holman made some news in an interview talking about how they've gotten rid of the CBP One app. And he's saying just go to the ports of entry when that was exactly what they told us they didn't want people to do. So you have tens of thousands of people have been waiting in Mexico, some over a year for their appointments. And.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
to my mind, they're trying to get rid of the asylum system, generally speaking. So please let us know what you think about it.
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Congressman Tom Suozzi on Bipartisanship in the Trump Era
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm very excited to have Congressman Tom Swasey with us today. He represents New York's third congressional district and is known for walking the bipartisan tightrope, something we don't see a lot these days and that we need much more of.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Yeah, I mean, you're so right. The cruelty is the point, right? No truer words from the last almost decade, right? Since he came down the golden escalator.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
It's my pleasure. As a liberal that works in conservative media, there are certain people that I like to have in my back pocket. Like when they say AOC, I say Pat Ryan or like Greg Lansman. So it's nice to meet you as a sane anchor. Not that she's insane, but you know what I mean.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
I think it's $394 million is roughly speaking. Okay.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Where most people didn't even get the access that they thought that they were going to get.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
On top of it.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Not a lot in there that I would argue with. As a liberal that lives in a conservative media environment, I have found it incredibly frustrating how little resonance that argument has. has with conservatives. I don't know as much about the audience, and we have a lot of Democrats that watch The Five and Independents.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
But this case that they're making, and Mike Johnson has been making it too, that what Trump does that's corrupt doesn't matter because it's in the open is astounding to me on a number of levels. But I think more concerning is that it's actually representative of how a large swath of Americans feel.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
And that goes to this point that there is such a low level of trust or faith in people who are our elected representatives that they would just much rather be stabbed in the front than in the back. And unfortunately, even though I don't give a ton of credence to the massive cover-up story that Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson have been selling with Original Sin,
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Certainly, there's a lot of truth to the fact that Joe Biden couldn't have done this job for another four years. But they think that we're the backstabbers and that they're the frontstabbers. And you see this in the way that they are selling the reconciliation bill as well. Mike Johnson, these are work requirements.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
I mean, his own state has hundreds of thousands of people that are on Medicaid who work. if this went through, would be thrown off. And he's kind of shrugging at it. He's like, it doesn't matter. It's all fakes who do this. I mean, the entire premise of what Elon Musk did was false fraud. So what do the Democrats do about that?
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
That's going on all the time, right? That's the way the world works.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
But to go back to our first discussion about you and AOC or the different sides of the party kind of coming together, that is one of the unifying public opinions out there that there shouldn't be corporate-backed money. And it's only a new trend. I've only spoken to a few representatives who are moderates like yourself, someone who's a member of the New Democrat Coalition. Right.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
that says that you don't take corporate PAC money and has managed to actually win your election. Because I do understand the concern over saying, I'm not going to take it, but you don't have an email list like Bernie Sanders, right? Or an AOC and how it takes money to win these elections.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Yeah. And very intentional to write that op-ed in The New York Times, of all places, to come to the liberal dark side for it. We're going to do a quick break. Stay with us.
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It's undoubtedly a good thing, A, for the vibes, but B, for the electoral outcomes. And it always bothers me, I guess, that... we get pitted into these buckets so much that people can't get past that to see how much actually unifies us and then what you can learn from the other side.
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So the policy matters, the pledge to only be there to represent the folks from your district or the average American is important, but the messenger, him or herself, is also important. And I can't help but notice that you are not 75. I looked it up. You're 48 years old. You look great. Thank you very much. And that's—
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One of the big discussions that we're having within the Democratic Party right now about age, and we've lost, I think three members have passed away, unfortunately, since. Congress started, so in the last four and a half months. And I've seen the lists of representatives, the oldest representatives. I think it will be Nancy Pelosi at 85 when the next election cycle comes around.
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Where do you stand? Scott would want me to ask, are you for age limits? But I'm going to ask that and then also just say more broadly, how can we get people in our party who have done so much for us and push legislation forward, push culture forward, push the party forward to be cognizant of Father Time who comes for all of us whenever he pleases, frankly. Or she. Maybe she is a she.
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Yeah, and she would be the first to remind you. And she did it all in heels.
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And at this moment, when we have lost the communications battle so egregiously to the right, it's clear that AOC and Bernie are doing something right. And folks are focusing on that, but there's still like this downplaying of effectiveness, I guess, because of past positions, you know, well, She said defund the police. I said, yeah, I know that she said that. She doesn't say it so much anymore.
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Yeah. Well, it gives voters also the chance to evaluate them as they are versus – I mean, incumbency is the most powerful force that you can have in running an election anyway. But at least people kind of get a blank slate-ish to look at you again, the 70-year-old version versus the 50-year-old version that they sent to Washington.
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Totally. I'm sure that we have it on our side, but I think that some of the younger representatives on the right are the most maniacal that they are. And a lot of that is correlated, frankly, to growing up on the Internet and how red-pilled they are. And if you can't meme it, it didn't happen. And that's concerning on another level.
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Yeah.
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But we're not talking about what her presidential platform will look like. We're talking about what can we learn from folks within our party and how can we support each other?
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On a whole host of levels, I agree with that. I mean, everyone reading The Anxious Generation, wanting their kids not to have cell phones, it's clear that you're going to be a lot healthier if you're not attached to your phone all the time. And the value of knowing even your recent history, the amount of people that have very strong opinions on what's going on between Israel and Hamas and Gaza.
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And then Bill Clinton was giving a speech recently where he talked about that summit and the peace agreement that was in front of Arafat and said you were going to get more than you could have ever hoped for if he had just signed on the dotted line there. No, when I'm talking like this, I'm an elder millennial. I'm a 1984 baby.
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And I feel like sometimes I sound like Margaret Thatcher or something, the way that I'm talking about what happened under Clinton. I said, doge. Al Gore, he doged. But this is how you doge properly.
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Just go outside.
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Look it up somewhere. I want to ask you at the end of the interview, I always do this. What's one issue that makes you rage and one thing you think we should all calm down about?
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Or all of us. Just nothing.
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If you're perma-rage, I get it.
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It could be sports.
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Your whole team knows that you get two workshops.
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That's a lot. I hope that you have sought help for that at some point.
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Well, acceptance is an important stage in all of this. Congressman Landsman, thank you so much for your time. It was great to meet you.
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What are the key planks of that vision?
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It's good for you.
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I love that you could actually answer that question directly because there are a lot of Democrats that are talking a big game about having a plan. And then I say, okay, well, what's the bumper sticker? Just like lay it on me, right?
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I want to know what our new no tax on tips is going to be because voters have, who aren't paying attention to the daily grind of this, have a very small attention span for what's going on. And they're going to remember the things that stick out. So a three-point plan is great. And I wanted to double tap on your point about crime and public safety. I live in New York City.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
We are on our way to having Mayor Andrew Cuomo, I think, directly as a result of the conversation that you were just having about people not feeling safe and the quality of life in a major American city, a crown jewel of the world, being below where it is. And people at this moment, and my friends have been telling me that this is resonating, that they're looking for a competent gangster.
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And in a lot of ways, though, I debate the competency of Trump. But that's kind of like the bucket that he fell in, right? Where it's just like, I don't like all this stuff about him, but if he's actually going to be able to get stuff done and I'm going to be safer as a result, that's a good thing. You're nodding your head. So competent gangster, you're into that?
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I mean, not into it.
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. Last week, the House narrowly passed the budget reconciliation package, Trump's quote-unquote big, beautiful bill. It's over 1,100 pages of legislation, and though Senate Republicans have indicated that they're going to make some changes, it's still worth wrapping our heads around what's in the House passed version and why.
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Was that the energy that won you a purple district?
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What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
I love that. And the two years of preschool, since I have preschool-age kids, sounds mighty good to me because we don't have that here. Before we get to the specifics of the reconciliation bill, you already mentioned the Energy and Commerce Committee, which you sit on, and you guys pulled an all-nighter. I mentioned it on the podcast as kind of an— an inspirational moment in active democracy.
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Not only that people can stay up 26 hours in a row, but that you guys were so well-coordinated. You had so many special guests to show the real implications of this bill, focused mostly on the Medicaid cuts. But can you kind of take us through what you guys did, what you hope to accomplish? And if you think any, you know, hearts and minds were changed as a result?
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Today, I'm joined by Congressman Greg Lanzman of Ohio. He won election to Congress in 2022. when he flipped his district from Republican control for only the second time since 1995. Representative Lansman, thank you so much for joining us today. It's nice to meet you.
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Can you talk to me about, you know, what lawmakers are doing about this, how you felt, obviously, representing Parkland from that shooting in 2018? Like, Where are you in the headspace? And we continue to think about the families affected by yet another tragic American school shooting.
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Obviously, being from Parkland and knowing the Parkland kids, I'm sure you know David Hogg really well. And he has this proposal to spend $20 million to go after incumbents. And at first it started as an age thing. Now it's moved to an effectiveness barometer that he's going to use to judge that. What do you think about that kind of push, you know, this need for new blood?
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And you're part of that. You're part of it. Honestly, you're a shining example of what a younger, outspoken, moderate, but also fun Democrat can accomplish. And I know, I mean, I consume...
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me fun really no no she finds me boring no really she's just trying to keep me grounded yeah that's i mean all good wives do that like my i'm pretty sure my husband thinks that i that i hate him but yeah like show her a clip i'm like how is that she's like it's fine yeah that's the worst when you send a clip and you're like isn't this hilarious and they're like It could have been better.
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And it feels like we are missing that energy on a grand scale within the party. How do you think about the way that you legislate and present and build relationships with people in Congress? And how do you think about that in terms of the party more generally?
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Yeah, I like the way you put that. And that is good advice for people in college. I as a political science and history person, I probably would have been better served actually straight up studying communications versus kind of learning on the fly. I want to make sure that we talk about some policy stuff.
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The American Family Act, which will expand the child tax credit, which is maxed out at $2,000 per kid at this moment. Can you tell us about it?
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But now it's socialism, right?
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Yeah, it seems like, and this has been a frustration that I know a lot of people are feeling, like, We don't have identifiable policies that you can say going into an election year. These are the things that we want to effectuate. Right. This is our education policy. This is our health care policy. These are our economic policies.
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And the child tax credit didn't cut child poverty by like 50 percent. Yeah.
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Why Democrats Need to Focus On the Economy (feat. Rep. Jared Moskowitz)
I want to talk about you and Byron Donalds working on reforming FEMA. It is rare to see bipartisan buddies on a legislative issue. You guys have a good relationship, I guess, right? Is that right?
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That's great. I love that. So I'll put you guys in the yes column to having that. Can you talk about how you want to reform FEMA?
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Oh, I did see. Yeah. You need a little stool.
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I didn't know Moscow was so big. Right. Yeah.
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This actually seems like what Doge was supposed to be.
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We were right about that. Yeah.
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Yeah. And you're seeing that across the board and then everyone having to crawl back with their tail between their legs saying like, actually, could I have my people back? Could we have our budget reinstalled? And I imagine... that factored into Elon's decision to cut bait, at least, or it sounds like.
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Oh, his business is crashing. Yeah, that might be contributing, too. I want to be mindful of your time and get to the final question. What's one thing besides FEMA that makes you rage and one thing that you think we should all calm down about?
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Well, that's part of the economy.
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All right. I love it. Congressman Moskowitz, it was so great to have you. It's so exciting. I was telling some of my colleagues at Fox that I was having you on and they were jealous. Not that you don't show up, but they love you.
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Yeah, totally. His mom likes you a lot.
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Why Democrats Need to Focus On the Economy (feat. Rep. Jared Moskowitz)
That's the hookup you got to get. Once you get on text with Ann, you've made it. She is hilarious.
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I'll send this to her.
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He was really cute. I mean, he still is cute. You know, you can't like hate him. He's so adorable. Just so wrong.
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No, no, I know. Just some people who vote like we do, do actually hate him. And I'm like, you would really struggle in a room with him to not like him.
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Oh, no straws, no soup.
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I mean, no grocery shopping. Yeah.
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And there you go. Talking about the economy again. Cost of goods are up. Keep her in line.
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Well, thank you so much for your time. And I hope you'll come back.
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. And today we're joined by Florida Congressman Representative Jared Moskowitz. Congressman Moskowitz has recently made headlines for his efforts to expand the requirements of the child tax credit under a new bill, the American Family Act, and has also teamed up with Republican Congressman Byron Donalds to improve the effectiveness of FEMA.
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So I guess it's a little bit of a silver lining that this legislation did exist. Is there any way, and I know Connecticut has also passed some pretty stringent statewide gun safety laws. Is there any opportunity for you or coalition of Democrats or Republicans who are enthusiastic about saving lives to kind of evangelize this or roadshow this around the country?
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Because it seems like such an easy way to make the case to people that oppose democracy. deaths in school. I don't even know the right way to articulate it. Like, we all don't want dead kids in school. And I understand people want to make sure that their Second Amendment rights are protected.
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But you have enough Republicans in Florida who feel like this law does not infringe upon your Second Amendment rights. So is there a way to spread this across the country?
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I had not heard that before.
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Along with this, the congressman has been vocal in his disagreement with the 57% cuts made to the Pentagon's congressionally directed medical research programs after the continuing resolution went into effect. Congressman Moskowitz, welcome to the show.
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Yeah.
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Well, they just do everything without legislation. It's the beauty of authoritarianism.
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I'm doing great. How are you?
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Why Democrats Need to Focus On the Economy (feat. Rep. Jared Moskowitz)
Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs in general, but especially when you think that there could be lives literally saved if people could just have a conversation.
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Well, you're going to tell me. I take the pressure off myself and I invite people on to tell me what you're raging about.
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Yeah, it's one of those, you know, how the right is always saying if it's an 80-20 or 90-10 issue, just take the W. Like when you talk about trans women and women's sports, for instance. And then I always say, OK, universal background checks, please.
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We live in the 20.
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Yeah, I am going to ask you, are you talking about Albrego Garcia?
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No, I know. It's just that one sticks out. The amount of times I've been called an MS-13 lover is too many to count.
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Yeah. But we'll do that at the end. Well, it'll trickle out actually throughout. And the first thing that I wanted to talk to you about, I'm sure does make you rage and you've been so vocal in talking about. school shootings. And I wanted to touch on last week's incident at Florida State University. Two dead, five wounded.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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No, you raged early, and I appreciate that. And hopefully it'll carry through for the next 20 minutes that I have you. But I agree with you. And as someone that hangs out in conservative media circles...
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It's frustrating because you do have to defend the position when it comes up, and they're really good at bringing it up because no one wants to talk about the implications of Liberation Day or, frankly, no one wants to talk about the economic consequences of this immigration plan. And I feel like that's where we should go with this.
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So you just say, actually, if you care about the deficit, $900 billion, we're coming off the deficit because of the immigrants that were in this country that you're saying that you're going to throw out or whatever.
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The, you know, hundreds of billions in lost revenue from tourism because of these immigration policies, because people are afraid of being picked up off the street like the German tourists in Hawaii.
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Can you talk a bit about the role of independence? Because I go to your commentary for a whole host of reasons, but most predominantly for your vantage point on independence and what actually sways them in elections.
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So we ask all our guests this. What's one issue that makes you rage? And what's one issue that you think we should all calm down about?
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As someone who's on cable news, I apologize to the entire world for what we export.
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No, it was great.
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Yeah, that was a good rage. I've seen a lot of raging and you're up there.
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Yeah, it's almost as if no one is thinking about what's to happen in the post-Trump era, whatever that may look like or wherever we may get that. And you're totally right that it's just by the book. If Trump says jump, we say how high. We're seeing that with the reconciliation bill. Mike Johnson has come out and said, well, when Biden did it, he was trying to hide this.
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What's great about the Trump family is they're just doing it in front of us. So this naked corruption – All well and good because we can see it. And my question as someone who's immersed in data constantly is how do you take these very real concerns that all of us certainly on this podcast and millions of Americans have about the threat to democracy, about the consolidation of executive power?
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about a Supreme Court that doesn't seem to have a problem with this kind of consolidation of executive power and translate that into election results. Because I thought we had a pretty strong case in November. Granted, Kamala coming in for Biden, it was complicated.
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But post-January 6th, you see someone who doesn't respect the rule of law, right, or someone who doesn't think that your vote should count. And Voters turned up and they elected him, reelected him, and they knew all of this about him. So how do you think we can get that to stick?
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Or do you think it's just always going to be the economy and we have to hope and pray for a recession so people vote for Democrats?
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And I'm Jessica Tarliff.
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I remain skeptical that any of this is actually going to happen. And I want to kind of broaden this conversation into one larger about immigration, specifically illegal immigration. Because while the American public thinks that if you've been here over 10 years, you shouldn't be deported, that everyone deserves due process even if you're here undocumented.
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100%, closest we're ever going to get.
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the Republicans are lapping us when it comes to immigration. So just today, a new CNBC poll, up 12 on managing the southern border, up seven on deporting illegals. And I think one of the main reasons that we lost the 2024 election was that we let hundreds of millions of people stream across the border. So what is the Democratic plan to show people that we're serious about this problem?
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Yeah, thrilled to be here.
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Liberal Jewish girl from Tribeca's dream come true.
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But you seem a little subdued, you know, like belly flashing, dancing.
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Absolutely.
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Oh, come on. Unchain the dog. Who wants to see me unchain? Thank you.
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You've mentioned it like a thousand times.
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But we didn't brand it. That's the problem. That's marketing, right. But that's really the central... issue here. Like working in conservative media, I see every day how good they are at packaging proverbial turds into, you know, the most genius policy or I'm going to show up to this ribbon cutting and you're going to think I had anything to do with it. And Biden would troll them and it was cute.
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But, you know, by the time the election rolled around, obviously he was not in good shape to be able to be talking about these accomplishments. And, You know, no tax on tips, which is a completely corrupt policy that he's trying to implement, is a branding miracle. Everyone's walking around, all the low-wage workers, saying, well, Donald Trump's gonna let me keep my money.
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And we don't have anything like that.
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that I addressed the point that Scott raised.
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And you mentioned corruption a few times, and wealth inequality is the most salient issue worldwide, but certainly in America. Can you talk a little bit about Your backing of Congress people not being able to trade stocks. You know, we saw this week, you know, Trump was, you know, by the dip.
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Essentially, Marjorie Taylor Greene is being investigated for potentially knowing something a little bit early, but... Is there any way that we can make Congress more accountable so that people could not look up to these people and say, like, why are you getting ahead on insider information? Like, we can't stop Trump.
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He has a, you know, his bank account is open to whoever through the crypto scheme. But, you know, what are you guys doing about it and why do you feel so passionately about it?
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Do you think, not to harp on the branding issue, but do you think we could rebrand it into something that people can't attack as easily? Because I find some folks that I know and work with didn't know, for instance, that veterans are actually part of an inclusion-protected class.
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They thought it was only about Black people or trans people or whoever they want to argue are undeserving of their jobs. Yeah. How can we better make the case that you just made to the broader public and kind of divorce ourselves from some of the extremism? And we went a little haywire, I think, during the COVID era.
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Anne, you kept time. You were on a dog leash for that one.
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Harvard, question mark. Very pro-Harvard. Always have been. Never had a shot of getting in. But thrilled with it. It feels like the important American institutions, or at least some of them, Supreme Court, the markets, now Harvard, are pushing back. And they're finding their footing in what this Trump era looks like. I don't want to minimize the antisemitism problem on these campuses.
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Do you feel confident that if we go out there pitching and talking like you just were talking, that we can win back these working class voters? I mean, they're getting screwed over right now. And that's not going to stop if certainly we continue on this tariff agenda or whatever else he has planned for the economy. But, you know, how do you feel about our prospects heading into the midterms?
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And then in 2028, we got to find a charismatic leader. Maybe it's you. I don't know. Maybe it's Scott. He would prefer that. Yeah.
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It's the motto for the podcast.
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You've mentioned that. How are you feeling about our chances?
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And we've spoken a lot about this on the podcast. And I think it was one of the foundational things that kind of linked us up or made us feel like we were simpatico, that we were, not atheist Jews, but lapsed-ish Jews that were awakened by October 7th. And then watching what happened on campuses, you as a professor as well, I was an ivory tower resident for a long time myself.
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Absolutely. What do they say? If you're explaining, you're losing. And we're always explaining. My whole life is explaining. Well, if you consider this tiny point and then I've lost. I want to make sure that I get our end of interview question that we ask everyone. What's one issue that makes you rage and one issue that you think we should all calm down about?
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It was just so disturbing to see what life was like for Jewish students on these campuses. But it's been pretty clear when you look at the list of demands from Harvard that this is not about antisemitism. This is about control. And they really overplayed their hand there. And you're looking at this $2.2 billion that they're threatening to take away from Harvard.
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Yeah. And calm down or nothing.
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That's the Q&A question that I have for you.
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That's a great answer. And it also connects to another Q&A question that I have from the live stream about courage. What is your opinion of your former firm, Paul Weiss, and its capitulation to Trump? It's the perfect crowd for this.
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And Harvard is well defended by these two mega conservative lawyers, which I think is an important piece of this. But you can't make a clearer case of an attack on the First Amendment, an attack on academic freedom than the government saying, I want to control who gets in, what you're going to teach, who's going to teach it.
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I guess an open question on how sane I am. But I really believe in what I'm saying. And I think that that separates a lot of people that are out there communicating today from those who might be able to make real connections. And I think the facts are very much on our side.
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Now it's my bat mitzvah too, thank you. It's your bat mitzvah. No, I think that there is such an exciting opportunity in having conversations with people that you disagree with. And we spent way too long hiding out in comfortable media environments and not engaging people who, the majority of whom actually have come
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to the way that they think about their world in an honest way, that they grew up in a household that felt a certain way, their parents were a certain way. They subscribe to X religion, and that's why they feel this way about an issue that's really important to me, like abortion, for instance. I didn't know, growing up here in Manhattan, that many veterans. I didn't know that many gun owners.
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I thought guns were for cops and bad guys. I knew nothing of the conservation world. And I think that when you can treat people with respect and dignity and hear out their point of view and then be able to come back with the facts and the logic and the humanity first and foremost, because that's how you win people over if you're going to represent them.
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And that's how you win people over if you're going to message to them and at least kind of open their eyes a bit to the fact that the Democrats aren't what Donald Trump says we are, that we're people like you were saying that actually care about your everyday lives and are on the side of people. So that's how I go into every debate.
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And I think the five also works because people are having a good time and people want to see folks doing that. So that's, yeah, that's what I think about that question. All right. I got one for you now. What advice would you give adult men who want to help cure the pain and loneliness that young boys seem to be suffering from? It's from Josh.
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What kind of research you're going to be doing, what kind of innovations are going to come out of your schools. And I don't think there's anything about cutting medical research that's going to make any Jew safer on campus.
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I'm going to cheat and give you the same question because I want to hear you talk about how men can lead.
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Well, there are already reports of it starting, that there are labs, one in particular, $60 million grant to focus on tuberculosis research, which I think we can all agree that we want to keep going. So that's already been shut down.
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And when we're going to see more of it, like I mentioned, these super lawyers that are going to be defending Harvard, one Robert Kerr, who was the special counsel, the Joe Biden special counsel looking into the... Corvette documents, if you remember that, who said, I couldn't convict him of anything because he's a nice old man who doesn't remember.
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We're out of time, and we so appreciate your time and all of you.
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And then another guy named William Burke, who was in the George Bush administration and has also defended people like Steve Bannon during the Mueller probe. So these are hardcore conservatives who understand the threat to democracy and academic freedom that the Trump administration poses. And I think that's a great place to be because they can't walk in and say it's a bunch of leftists
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Democrats rule. There you go.
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messaging and slogans. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you guys for coming.
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What do you think about what's going on?
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Yeah, we want to welcome the leader out. But I just wanted to say to your point, you can see the effect of Harvard holding their ground and leaders out there like AOC and Bernie in their rallies and the mass donations that are flowing in. So Harvard, since that letter was released, 3,800 unique donations, a million dollars. They have 53 billion. I don't know if they really needed the million.
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But people want to be part of something. Yeah. they wanna also be in a group. So yes, the first company, but the first group of companies that band together and say, you know, we're standing up for free markets, democracy, whatever it is. But let's welcome our fantastic guests.
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This is so cool. Thank you for joining us.
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I was shocked when you accepted our invitation.
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He's much cooler than us.
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I presume you don't want to endorse in the race.
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I wanted to start with, I guess there are so many huge stories that are going on right now, with the Kelmar-Obrego-Garcia case. And you've been very vocal about this. This is the El Salvadorian man who came to the US, 16 years old. He has protected legal status from 2019. He was accused of being an MS-13 member.
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It was a double hearsay testimony and a cop who ended up getting indicted a couple weeks later that said it. But the administration has rounded him up and sent him to Seacott. the prison camp in El Salvador that they like to send people to. And the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that he had to be returned. They had to facilitate his return.
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And just today, the appeals court for the Fourth Circuit, Judge Willinson, who I should note is a Reagan appointee, writing, "...the government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order."
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This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear." Everyone feels like this is bleak. They're not paying attention to the Supreme Court. They're not paying attention to lower courts. What are we going to do about this?
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It's cool. All right. Very cool.
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Yeah. Yeah. And you are right. I talk to a lot of Congress people and say, oh, we passed all of these bills. Yeah. But that's obviously not going anywhere when you even have Josh Hawley saying that he's not going to sign it.
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Oh, Rand Paul. is now my Democratic hero. I mean, listening to him give floor speeches about, you know, the Boston Tea Party and tariffing, I'm all for Rand Paul right now.
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Can you talk us through your journey?
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In 2017, you told The New Yorker that the Republican Party needs a reckoning. I would imagine that you still feel that that's the case going into whatever 2028 will hold next.
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There are a lot of conservatives or center left center right people, moderates, whatever you want to self-identify as who feel like the Republican project just needs to be left behind and that there is no point in trying to resuscitate something that for all of the values that you just extolled in the last 15 minutes.
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You don't see any of that being represented even by the folks that you would imagine would like a Marco Rubio who has had a full conversion right to Trumpism. What do you say to those types, you know, who are at the bulwark now, for instance, and seem like they're just all in for the Democrats?
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Were they listening to you? Because it feels as if you should have been an incredibly important voice.
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It was a rough three weeks. If we had more time, I would like to talk to you further about the no labels issue, because it was pretty clear from the states where a third party candidate would have had the most effect that it would have swung it towards Trump. And you even see the impact of RFK Jr. moving over to the Trump side and Tulsi Gabbard, that it shifted, you know,
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mid-level partisans in that direction. But I want to ask you about 2028.
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Well, battlegrounds decided, though. We lost all of those. So anyway, what are you thinking about 2028 on the Democratic side? Do you see anyone that can satisfy the purple America agenda?
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It'll be fine by then, I think.
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Yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, there'll definitely be a heated progressive lane and then a heated moderate lane, though that language feels counterintuitive, heated and moderate. But it'll be interesting to see a lot of governors get out there because they've actually done the managerial job and have accomplishments to talk about, not just huge floor speeches, even though I love my senators.
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We have a question at the end that we ask all of our guests. What's one issue that makes you rage? And what's one issue that you think we should all calm down about?
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It's hopeful. We need a lot of Mike Pence's. And I'm not someone who was a fan of Mike Pence. until January 6th, basically. But I appreciate it. And thank you just generally for joining us. I'm sure our listeners are going to love hearing from you. And thanks for your time, Congressman.
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You're from Pennsylvania, represented there. You have someone like a Chris Deluzio who... Talks a bit of a protectionist game, not nearly like what Trump is talking about, but you have a Bernie Sanders as well. Fetterman has dabbled in this, too.
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How do you feel like the difference between the kind of positions that they're supporting when you say we have to protect American manufacturing and American workers versus how Trump is implementing this? this tariff plan can be better explained to the American people.
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So everything you just said is true. He has the lowest approval rating in 70 years. Underwater on every issue. Still, you know, does well on border security, which kudos to you. He's basically shut down the border, which is something that we desperately needed to happen. But it feels like people can disapprove of him and it still doesn't transfer over to turning on him.
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And this is not just the MAGA base. CNN did polling that showed if the election were held today, who do you think would do a better job managing this? And he still edged out Kamala Harris. And what do you think that is that doesn't allow people... transfer over to the other side to say, actually, I don't think he could do this job.
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Yeah. History will be on our side for that. But you're still fearful or I'm still fearful and can't believe that we're only, you know, 110 days in whatever it is at this point. What do you say to Republicans who feel similarly terrified?
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. Today I'm joined by former Republican Congressman Charlie Dent. He is a lifelong conservative who broke with his party to support Joe Biden in 2020 and then Kamala Harris in 2024, making him one of the few Republicans willing to say enough to Donald Trump's grip on the GOP.
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The expectation that the Republican Party can go back to what it once was after Trump, because, I mean, he did tell Kristen Walker that he's not thinking about a third term. Steve Bannon has other ideas about that. We're not here to kind of debate whether he's going to do that or not. But it's a big open question what the party looks like post-Trump.
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Yeah. When you look at what the reconciliation bill will have in it and those huge cuts to Medicaid, and you mentioned Swank District, Republicans who in most cases have hundreds of thousands of more people in their districts on Medicaid than the margins that they won, you think this is going to be an obvious one. But time and again, something that Trump does or Trump allies do is
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These days, he's the executive director of the Aspen Institute's congressional program, where he's focused on fostering real bipartisan dialogue in Congress. He's been vocal about the need for a reckoning within his party and is working to steer the conversation back to responsible governance, trust, and civility. Congressman Dent, welcome to the show.
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scares people to the point that they feel like they can't even represent their constituents.
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That's a pretty good imitation. It got really interesting.
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Someone is always taking notes.
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Yeah, no, thank you for joining us. I'm excited to talk to you. It's You're brave soldiers, you never-Trumpers, who actually come over and support the other side. And that's where I want to begin our conversation. So you backed Biden in 2020, Kamala Harris in 2024. What ultimately pushed you to cross the aisle in both elections? Was it Trump? How he redefined the Republican Party?
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I want to talk about something that's been getting a lot of attention, Congresswoman Mikey Sherrill's request to the FEC. She's asking to move money from her federal campaign account to Super PACs. Your firm is backing this move. She's running for governor of New Jersey. Can you explain the move a bit for my audience and why you guys are backing it?
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Yeah, it's going to be beautiful.
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I'm a big fan, too. Yay. I wanted to start... With a general question, we're, I don't know what the actual count is, 44 days or something into Trump 2.0.
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Do you think that the decision... if it goes in your direction or in Congresswoman Sherrill's direction, will be a game changer for campaign finance?
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Oh. OK, I didn't know that. I'm glad to have you here to explain it because I surely talk about campaign finance and don't have that level of detail. I wanted to talk about the Arizona case, which was a big win for you guys, striking down a provision that required voters to provide proof of citizenship in presidential elections. What was your strategy in challenging that law?
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Why is it so important? Because I do... increasingly I hear even from some Democrats that they think that proof of citizenship should be required to go and vote in elections. Right.
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And I at the Brennan Center is always my go to on this with the actual numbers of people who would be disenfranchised if this were the case. But please. I'd love to hear your take.
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Yeah, I'm very proud of the fact that I don't have any gray hairs yet. And my husband is bracing for impact because he's like, if anything is going to do it, it is going to be Trump again. So what do you think of the first couple of months of the new Trump administration, you know, writ large, but also from the legal perspective, what's been going on and what's really standing out to you?
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I will definitely be using that and also the information around younger voters and married women who change their names, because the usual spin that you hear is that it's just about obviously getting illegals to be able to vote, but that it's minority voters that are the ones that wouldn't have the proof. So this is a great pushback on that.
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It's a more persuasive argument that way. I'm thinking like a messaging strategist. But yes, of course, they're all connected. And that was a great explainer on it. You said, you know, the magic word or words, birthright citizenship. I wanted to get your take on where you think all of this is going. Is it going up to the Supreme Court?
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A federal judge has obviously knocked them back, saying, I think it was one of your The examples you're giving of the most strongly worded responses, right, for a judge to have to say essentially, like, what are you insane that you're trying to get rid of birthright citizenship? But if this does get to the Supreme Court, how do you think the court might rule? What what's going to happen?
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That's good. Would be good news in all of this. I definitely want to get to the open letter to Elon Musk. He came after you and Norm Eisen with a bizarre comment. I remember seeing it and thinking like, what is this about childhood trauma? What message did you want to send with your response?
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That's what that courage is about, right, that you were talking about at the beginning of our conversation. And I will say not only was the letter moving, your explanation of it just now was as well.
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And I've felt very strongly since Trump came back into power that it's the personal stories that are really resonating with people, that they're talking about how impactful their lineage is, how important their job is, especially for someone who is a public servant, right, that they are not societal leeches but people who love this country.
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And have dedicated themselves to it to make America a better place and to make it work better for you and me. And I really appreciate you sharing that perspective with my listeners, but also to the public. And Elon Musk, no doubt, you know, ingested it at least. Obviously hasn't changed course much. I want to get your response to a question that I ask all of our guests right before we go.
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What's one issue that makes you absolutely rage? And on the flip side, what's something you think people just need to chill out about?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
What do you think we need to chill out about?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, I think that's an important lesson about him in general, that just because he says we're in the golden age, we certainly are not at this particular moment. Thank you so much for your time, Mark. Is there anything more that you want to say about Democracy Docket before we go? I've already said it's an incredible resource and your work is so valuable, but anything final on that?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Fabulous. Thank you so much for your time. It was great to have you. And you're somebody that I've kind of dreamt of being able to talk to. So I really appreciate you coming on here with me.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, it's... I mean, you went right for one of the sore points from an electoral strategist point of view because Project 2025 was resonating with the American electorate. Tony Fabrizio and Chris LaCivita have even talked about it in the aftermath of the election where they said basically we were scared because Project 2025 was permeating. the ether.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
People knew about it and it had something like an 83% disapproval rate. I want to talk to you about legal matters, but do you feel like that was a place that Democrats really dropped the ball and we should have continued to hammer away at that? or it was kind of a lost cause.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I like this more optimistic view or positive view, I guess, of what happened than I might have. I want to get there. So many current events that are relevant to your work. The Trump administration has recently suspended security clearances for Perkins Coie employees, citing the firm's past involvement in commissioning the Steele dossier, despite the fact that you left the firm in 2021.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
What do you make of that executive order? Is it purely political retaliation? Is it something that should have a chilling effect on the legal community? How do you see it?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Well, they're scared, right? And is there no basis to be afraid?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
It's a very fair point. I just I see so much less courage as Trump has been in our orbit, you know, year after year. It gets whittled down. I think the confirmation hearings were a big lesson, right, for where the GOP is. And there's been some reporting about the kinds of threats. that senators were suffering from. I'm sure lawyers are getting similar threats in all of this.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
How has the community felt? You know, you're part of a close-knit community, right, of these high-powered lawyers that work on these kinds of cases. Do you feel it fracturing? Is it similar to how it is with elected officials, that behind the scenes everyone is kind of saying, this is absolutely crazy, but I don't know what to do about it?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Or is everyone kind of receding to their corners and just trying to weather the four-year storm?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
definitely don't feel like a hero necessarily, but I do think it is so crucial at this particular moment in time to be speaking to people who don't necessarily have the same point of view as you, and to at least show them that competent, well-educated, and well-intentioned people have a different point of view, and that it's rooted at least in some degree of truth.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
So if you plant a little seed of doubt, and I feel like that's what you do for so many people who might not even agree with your politics or have issues with You know, how 2016 went or, you know, think Donald Trump maybe even won in 2020 because there's a huge percentage of people who actually think that, that they can recognize your competency and your expertise.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
And that's that little kernel where they say, oh, well, maybe he's got a point.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
It's an incredible resource, by the way. I just so appreciative because it keeps a lot of us who are not experts up to date on what's going on. So big thank you.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow, and I have a great guest today, attorney Mark Elias. If you care about voting rights, you probably know his name. With his firm Elias Law Group and his platform, Democracy Docket, which I visit constantly, Mark has been at the forefront of legal battles in campaign finance, voting rights, and redistricting law.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Yeah, the receipts are incredibly important. The amount of times that I'm reading quotes Of other people like don't take it from me. Right. I'm a partisan messenger. But hear it from a judge or hear it from Rudy Giuliani himself. And I mean, that was obviously the turning point. What happened in the courts that you could give a press conference and say, you know, the sky is blue.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Everyone can see it's a big storm out. Right. And that they're losing. That brings me to what I want to talk about next, which is the courts as a backstop for what the Trump administration is starting to do or attempting to do in these early stages. It seems like they've pretty much held, right, and have been pushing back strongly along these lines.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
I've even heard, you know, Amy Coney Barrett is a DEI hire now. So can you give your assessment of what's going on in terms of the courts being the backstop? And do you think that's really all that we have to depend on for the next four years?
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Just recently, his firm helped strike down an Arizona law that would have forced voters to show documentary proof of citizenship in presidential elections. And let's not forget, Mark has also been making headlines for his open letter to Elon Musk, firing back after Musk took a swing at him on X. We'll get into all of that, but first, Mark, welcome to the show. It's great to have you here.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Oh, something to look forward to. It's only been the first few weeks. We have years left.
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Can the Courts Stop Trump’s Power Grab? (Feat. Marc Elias)
Isn't that crazy? Again, I go back to the impending gray hair. It's really going to be the end of my life. We'll take a quick break. Stay with us.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
It's definitely what seems to be in vogue and most resonant with voters. I have a lot of friends. I'm more of a normie Democrat or establishment Democrat, I guess. But I have a lot of friends who like to kind of goad me with Bernie would have won. I'm like, well, you know, he's out there on this or that. They said, but he's a populist fighter. And that is the mood right now.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Absolutely. One of the core complaints that I hear is about Democratic leadership at this particular moment, that we seem flat-footed, we don't have a unified message, we have these... you know, weird rallies with Chuck Schumer screaming, we will win after we just lost. And, you know, Al Green's cane blocking the shot. What do you think leadership can do?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
You know, I'm certainly not asking you to go against anyone. And I think that Hakeem Jeffries does a great job in the House. But where do you think leadership can improve, let's say, in making sure that the topics that you're discussing are what are in the forefront versus the sideshow stuff when people go to the polls?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
I want to get to the meta stuff, but it start with a news of the day topic. Everyone is talking about Elon Musk and Doge and the quote unquote forensic audit they're doing of the government. You made, as I already referenced, a comment about him being a villain.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Are you seeing in particular with voters in your constituency who have jobs like teachers, police officers, you know, veterans, that they are shifting towards being less partisan? Because that's a trend that I'm noticing.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Can you talk a little bit about what you think is going on with the Trump administration and also what you're hearing from your constituents as we're just a few weeks into Trump 2.0?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
I want to make sure that we talk about your national service bill. How is the process going on that? Something Scott Galloway, who I host this with, loves this and is talking about how we would be way better off if we did have a national service component for every American. So please tell us.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
I love that. I didn't know about the four country caucus. That's very cool. So we're trying something new here at Raging Modern. It's going to be the formal last question. And you are the inaugural flight on this. So what's one issue that makes you want to rage and one issue you think we should all calm down about?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Calm down. We're workshopping it. So if you think less ragey.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Yeah. I'm definitely a little bitter still about the people who didn't vote for Kamala saying what's going on in Israel and Gaza is still Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's fault somehow. But that's a topic for another podcast.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
So we'll have to have you back. Thank you so much, Congressman Ryan, for joining us. I hope that we'll stay in touch. And I appreciate your time and your thoughts on everything that's going on in the early days of Trump's second term.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Love it. Thank you.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Well, that seems like the important lane that Democrats can go down, which is to make this about Elon Musk and what's happening writ large in the administration without going after Donald Trump, who is still enjoying a 53% approval rating. You know, we tried... just making it all about Trump for years, and it didn't really get us very far, certainly in the last election.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
So how do you think that Democrats can effectively do this? I know Jared Golden, who represents also a swing district, voted for Trump. He's a Democrat, though, has said, you know, this is all about Musk for me. You know, you can't sit up there just railing about Trump. How are you going to be approaching it?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
We love immigrants, but fact check true.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm your host, Jessica Tarlow. Today, we have Congressman Pat Ryan, the Hudson Valley native representing the 18th District of New York.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Yeah, definitely seems like the head of the bunch. I want to get into some other themes because I know that your time is limited. Specifically, I want to talk about your service and also how that plays a role in how you lead and represent your constituents, your West Point grad, Army vet. There was a great splashy feature in GQ, which I saw even before your press person sent to me.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Loved the photography. You talked a lot about your military background, how it gave you the sense of belonging, letting you know that your life mattered and also what patriotism means to you.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Could you expound on that for our listeners and also talk a bit about how you think the Democratic Party can get back to being the party that embraces people like you and gets them excited about what we have to offer?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
His main focus in Congress is providing relief for Hudson Valley families, improving transportation for folks in his district, and investing in the United States Military Academy, where he hopes to provide for the next generation of military leaders. The congressman recently made headlines for calling Elon Musk a villain on CNN, which I loved.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
How do you think we can do that?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
and for discussing how he believes young men can benefit from the Democratic Party. Congressman Ryan, welcome to the show. It's great to have you on.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Should I take you as a no on the idea of being open to shutting down the government from the Democratic side? Because that's something that's being floated. Senators Booker, Andy Kim are saying that they are open to a shutdown if it means being able to hold Musk and co accountable. Where are you on that?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
That's okay. I'm choking on my own voice, which is very millennial of me.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
I like that. I think making it Mike Johnson's problem as opposed to making it our problem is definitely the right way to go about it.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Also, let them go on the record if they want to make cuts to Social Security, to Medicare, to Medicaid. Let it be known. So much of what's going on right now, at least it feels to me, is in this dark vacuum where people have no idea like what you're talking about in your district that had started as an open that you can't go to the VA. They're messaging right now that nothing has actually happened.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
Right. That the freeze was unfrozen and there are no problems. And the court system is struggling to keep up with the breakneck pace of what they're doing.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
It would be nice to be able to go no labels, right? If you could just be common sense and then see how the chips fall, we'd probably do a lot better electorally. As an extension of what you're talking about, I'm curious what you think about rallying excitement for the Democratic Party because we don't get to campaign without labels and we're particularly suffering with young voters.
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
In the latest CBS poll, Trump has a plus 10 advantage with Gen Z voters, which if you told me in 2016 that that was even fathomable, I would have said, you know, I have millions of bridges to sell you. How can we address that problem and specifically targeting young men?
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How Democrats Can Win Back Young Men (feat. Rep. Pat Ryan)
I appreciate that. And I was thinking to myself as I was walking down here that it's nice to actually meet you in person because I use you as an example all the time because my colleagues on The Five will say, the Democratic Party is so crazy and you don't have anyone normal. And I'm like, have you met Congressman Pat Ryan? And now I have you here. Super excited to have you here.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
It feels like you're describing the moral moment, as Cory Booker put it last week during his epic speech. Do you feel like Democrats are meeting that moral moment?
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
I like that one, Scott.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
I should warn you that what Scott wanted you to do is say, well, should do you are you thinking about running, Scott? Because he's high on that this week. Galloway for president. Love and prosperity. Your question, Jess. I want to I'm mindful of your time.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
And I just wanted to quickly ask you about kind of the manosphere and the media landscape, because you became really great at doing the interviews. And as someone, you know, as a liberal that works at Fox, I was thrilled to see, you know, someone that wanted to, like you said, you know, take the engagement to the people that actually are persuadable or need to hear something.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
No, no turndown service for you.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Hopefully you still get a chocolate on your pillow.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Yeah. Or just like what the media landscape looks like for us going forward. Do we need a Joe Rogan of the left? I don't even know what that is.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Cool. I wish that we had more time because I want to talk to you about the left-right divide on social media because I live between both worlds and it's so icky there. But our last question, and we ask all our guests this, what's one issue that makes you rage and what's one issue that you think we should all calm down about?
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Great. Something to calm down about?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
That was the... I want to do the whole show on the Luca trade.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
That under... And... I don't know. I don't know the Slovenians that well, but I knew that you shouldn't trade Luka Doncic. And like three days before, after he bought a house there as a baby now, it was crazy.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Okay, good.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
And I love seeing Dirk follow him also to be supportive. You guys have such a great basketball community there. Anyway, Scott's bored now. I'll stop with this.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Thank you.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
See you soon.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
I want to talk a little bit about cost plus drugs. And you've mentioned that tariffs on goods from India may cause you guys to have to increase prices. Can you talk a little bit about what's going on there if you feel like the price hikes are inevitable and what the general ecosystem looks like for your company?
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Do you feel like that's going to be an opportunity for your company to get even further reach? Because I feel like so much that goes on in the health care sector is under the cloak of darkness and that you just show up and you see a bill and you're like, how the hell did this possibly happen?
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Yeah, I don't want to profit off sick people. I'm just saying it's good for people to know actually how tariffs work and that the cost is coming straight to them.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
And I'm Jessica Tarloff.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
Yeah, I mean, double tapping on that question, then also what you said about Elon Musk as a political strategist, I always kind of go to that. And you were such an omnipresent surrogate for the Harris-Walls campaign.
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Do We Need an Elon of the Left? (feat. Mark Cuban)
And I'm curious as to now that we're, you know, a few months into the Trump administration round two, if you have any thoughts about like what you could have done better or what you wish that you had said or been able to communicate and to reach people about? Trump and Co. and how we might have connected with young men better?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
I guess, the newsiest, bizarre things that Trump is proposing and California-centric, the movie tariffs and reopening of Alcatraz, which is, you know, was a tourist attraction, I think, bringing in $60 million a year at this point. What do you make of the proposals? Do you feel like this is just it's not going anywhere kind of thing? Or what are you thinking?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
I wanted to start kind of big picture. People have been giving their first 100 days assessment, but what has really stuck out to you most about what the Trump administration is doing?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Yeah, I imagine the subject he wants to change away from to some degree are these proposed $880 billion in cuts to Medicaid. Can you talk about what's going on in terms of the reconciliation bill and how you feel like Democratic leadership has been in ushering us so far through this process?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
And what about the leadership component on this for Leader Jeffries and then also for Schumer in the Senate?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
What do you hear the most often from these town halls when you're showing up in these red districts? What are their top concerns, the constituents? Fear.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
How are they feeling about their own representatives?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Yeah, that was definitely the message that J.B. Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, was delivering in that New Hampshire speech where he said, you have to be out there. And you did see like there was an immigration case in Sackets Harbor, New York, where I think the town of 1,400, 1,000 people showed up to support this undocumented family that had been taken by ICE and they were returned.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Do you think that having mass protests or this coordinated civic uprising, nonviolent, of course, is the way forward?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
So you're optimistic?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Well, that's exciting to me. And looking at our approval ratings, I'm certainly concerned. But the way that you paint it makes me think there will be a brighter day to come. I wanted to ask you our final question. We ask all our guests this. What's one issue that makes you rage? And what's one issue that you think we should all calm down about?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Love it. All right. Thank you, Congressman Khanna, for your time. It was so nice to have you.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Yeah, well, he's not a lawyer, so he's not really sure about his constitutional duties at this point, or at least that's what he told Kristen Welker. But you're dancing around this idea of economic patriotism, which you've been talking about. How do you, well, first of all, can you define that for our listeners, but then also put it in context of the Democratic Party's leadership?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Because it has been a big concern of mine that for as terrible as things are going for the Trump administration, and we see it in the approval ratings, for the Republican side, that Democrats have actually not been able to capitalize on that and to affirm to the American public that we would actually be able to do a better job.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Well, that sounds great. And it sounds like what Howard Letnick wishes that he was able to say when he does these haphazard interviews, but I'm being generous with the term haphazard. How have you found that the vision that you just put forward is being embraced by our party?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Yeah. I wanted to ask you about your future plans later in the podcast, but you kind of brought it up already. So how do you see yourself as being part of the conversation and shaping the party's future? Are you thinking about running yourself or... supporting someone who has kind of an aligned vision or running yourself?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Yeah, I imagine that they're going to. And one thing that I've always felt that you've done really well is have the strong progressive bona fides, but also be able to speak like you just did to the fact that we are a capitalist country and that capitalism is one of, if not the greatest engine for good that we've ever had. And you represent a lot of capitalists.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. And today I've got Congressman Ro Khanna with me. He represents California's 17th district right in the heart of Silicon Valley. He's known for being a bold progressive, but also someone who knows how to work across the aisle when it counts. Whether it's taking on corruption in D.C.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
I thought it was really important that you were on. I when people were setting Tesla dealerships on fire and Tim Walz was wanting to tank Tesla stock. And you said, I have, was it 60, 70,000 people in your district whose pensions are tied to Tesla?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Sorry. Yes, you are not an arsonist. I didn't mean to imply that, but it felt distinctive at this moment where Democrats are kind of trying to claw at anything that was anti-Elon Musk for you to just have this common sense approach.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
to answering the question about an American company, but also about capitalism and saying we have to be able to separate whatever our political ambitions are or whatever is resonating the most, which is this anti-Elon messaging with what's actually right for the country.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
Do you think that trying to bucket people into progressive or centrist moderates is outdated for our party?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
with his Drain the Swamp Act or promoting what he calls economic patriotism, he's pushing for a Democratic Party that's both idealistic and grounded. And he's not exactly subtle with his ambitions. He's got a clear vision for the party's future and maybe even his own. Congressman Khanna, it's great to have you here. Welcome to the show.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
2028 will definitely be a big shakeup, or that's what I'm imagining and hoping for. Can you talk a little bit about your legislation, the Drain the Swamp Act, which you recently introduced with representatives Tlaib and Lee?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
I feel like we are always that party, right? Who says these things? And then you come up against the fact that the laws haven't changed and you're going to be handicapped versus another side that can take infinite money from super PACs or that can be building resorts in the Middle East or whatever it is that Kushner and Don Jr. are doing at this point.
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
And does it kind of feel like we would be showing up to a gunfight with a knife?
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How to Actually Drain the Swamp (feat. Rep. Ro Khanna)
It's so great. I always see you on Fox and I'm like, yeah, I've got a buddy here. So it's wonderful to have you here now on the podcast as well.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, I'm definitely feeling that deeply at this particular moment.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
There are no cocktails. I mean, there could be. It's a morning record, though.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
When you're approaching a show and you're thinking about there are going to be jokes that poke fun at Republicans and jokes that poke fun at Democrats, which party do you think is more fun to roast?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
This is the only way to get through the day. I feel like probably by the third month of the Trump presidency, I will be there. Maybe live on The Five with a shaker. Of course.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah. No, it's definitely true. I feel like the Democrats, the funny stuff, the funny stuff about Democrats, you kind of have to peel back a layer or like... Look under the hood a bit for the absurdity of everything, and then Marjorie Taylor Greene is just Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, they're definitely looking for the amplification. I'll regularly say on air. Well, they won. Right. Because they're going to be on Hannity or whatever tonight to talk about some ridiculous stunt that they did on the floor or what they said in an earlier interview. But, I mean, that's the way that it works.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
The Democrats are desperate to get out there now, even more so since the election, that everyone thinks, you know, if I'm on a million podcasts, we're going to win. And I'm a beneficiary that people want to come on the podcast and talk to me about their vision for the future of the party. But it doesn't feel... authentic. And it's so hard to get that for people.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I mean, that's what voters are desperate for. And Trump weirdly feels that way to people. Right.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
His promo feels like a Daily Show bit, actually. And I really like Gavin Newsom, but it obviously fits into a particular mold.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
No, that one was a gift. That was a Democratic gift to the Daily Show gods. You covered both Trump presidencies now, or I guess we're in the beginning stages of the second. Is that all it is? Yeah. No, when people do it in days, I think this is like day 41 or something like that. I know. Definitely going to get my first gray hair.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
How does it feel covering him in comparison to the first time around? Is it different? Does it feel largely the same?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's also my first year not being pregnant in a while. So I'm taking advantage. Oh, God. It's been a while for you. Anyway, women are goddesses, blah, blah, blah. I want to talk to you about everything that's going on. I want to start, though, with doing comedy in times like these. And we've spoken about this a bit. We were both at the RNC, obviously, after the assassination attempt.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Yeah, it's funny. To me, it feels like what we all thought the first term would be like. Yes. Right. Or what we were promised about the end of days of all of it. And then, you know, there were kind of mainstream Republicans that stood up to him at certain times, or at least there were people resigning. And it doesn't feel like that is going to happen again.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You know, the folks that you thought were the safeguards on this have actually either been completely converted or just, you know, want to be Secretary of State bad enough, like a Marco Rubio, that they're going to go along with it all. And... I think everyone is struggling with how to meet the moment of covering what's going on while also understanding that a lot of people want this. Right.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Some of your viewers as well, right, are not against what's going on.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I think the only thing that'll move the needle basically on anything is the economy. So, I mean, it's already not going well. People know what tariffs are and they don't like it. The market drop we're recording on Tuesday dropped, what, like 750 points yesterday. Because of that. So I think it has to be that.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Or you see, like, if they're going to take away people's Medicaid, it'll be something like that, where people think that they won't get reelected. But it feels like the bar has shifted so far compared to even the first term that... You think it has to be extraordinary circumstances and you don't want that to happen to people.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You know, you guys have, you're making fun of things, but your show has a tremendous amount of heart to it. And so you wouldn't want anyone to be suffering. Of course. You're like, of course, I'm not touching that. Obviously. Yes. Yes, of course. I know we're almost out of time. I want to quickly talk about the people on people segments because it's absolutely a favorite.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
So if you were playing a hype woman for the Democrats right now, what would your rallying cry be?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
You guys ended up canceling your shows. It was not the time to do comedy. Can you talk about what it feels like to be making something like The Daily Show in these times? Is it cathartic? Just exhausting? Yes. Oh. Okay.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
And then we have nothing. I love it. Definitely going to send that right over to Chuck Schumer and be like, next time you do this. Take a listen. My last question, we do this with every guest. What's one issue that makes you absolutely rage? And what's one issue that you think everyone needs to really just chill out about?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Do you feel like the subway is much better since congestion pricing kicked in? Because I do.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely feel what you're saying about Blue Sky deeply, also vis-a-vis my TV work. And I've been shocked, actually, by how siloed the blue sky users are, you know, because they all went over there as a reaction to the election. And I get it. You want to save space for a few days. But then if you're actually thinking tactically about winning, how does it benefit the
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
anyone to be that snipey and that exclusionary in the name of inclusiveness. That's exactly right. Like I posted something about, you know, while we all agree with the mission of Doge, which is technically to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse. And then I go on to argue that they're not actually doing it or whatever.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
The amount of replies that I had that were like, we don't agree with the mission of Doge. And I'm like, you... love government waste just because you hate Elon that much or you hate Trump that much or you genuinely feel that way. It's like the Blue Anon crew. I didn't know that was a thing. My husband told me about it. Wait, what is the Blue Anon crew?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
There's like QAnon, which is like Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then Blue Anon is the left version of it where they believe like every conspiracy thing exists. Okay. About Trump and co. And I mean, I'm willing to think like some rando thing is actually true, but generally speaking...
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I don't know, I don't want to call Trump Krasnov or whatever they say is his actual like Russian asset name from 1987 when he got recruited. And like, you know, it's a lesson in insanity in a different way. So at least I have a seat to both sides of it, which I feel like is where everyone should be. And you guys do as well. You see it all. We're trying. You're doing a great job.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's all great. And I'm thrilled for your success. And it's great how much people are connecting with the show and with you. My friend was so excited that I was interviewing. He was like, Desi is the star. I was like, I know. She's always been a star. That's so nice. Thank you for joining me. I'll text you later. It was great for our listeners to hear from you. Thanks so much. Thank you.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Have you... felt like you've changed the show? Well, first of all, what's it like having the hosting role now and this rotation that seems to work incredibly well for all of you and for the show? And how are you taking on politics specifically when you are the lead host for this?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I'll do procedural for a second longer because I feel like it's really interesting to understand how this all works. Do you get to play a role in picking who the guests are for it? The stories that you're going to be covering more so when you're a host versus when you're just participating in the show?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Like, is it really like Desi's week and you have hand selected everything that you want to be doing?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
I'm sure. Well, you guys always look like you're having a great time. And it feels like the political scene is kind of writing the jokes for itself at this point. Is that how you guys are looking at it? It does feel that way.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
So I totally agree with you, and I said multiple times on air, you know, if you watch him doing these long-form interviews, you completely see the appeal. Right. When he goes on with like an Andrew Schultz, he did an episode of Gutfeld with us at Fox and close to the election day. And I thought he was completely charming. Right. He actually didn't talk about politics the whole time. Right.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
He was because he's a pop culture icon. Right. He's a who became president. Right. Which says something about our society, obviously. But how do you balance the fact that he is president? So funny and entertaining with the seriousness and the gravity of what's going on, because that has been a criticism more of John than of you that, you know, poking fun or going after Democrats.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
makes people feel like Trump isn't necessarily as bad as he is, right? And I'm finding the right way to formulate it, but that it's essentially making it like two sides of the same coin, right? They're all bad or they're all too old, et cetera, is such a dangerous place. And how do you think about that when you are going out there to do your show?
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I am so excited about this. I'm Jessica Tarlov, joined by the hilarious and brilliant Desi Lydic from The Daily Show, also from Awkward, which she starred on with My Little Sister for years. So we go way back and such a reservoir of affection for you.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
It's especially important right now because you guys are... filling a space where there are a lot of these key voters who didn't necessarily even vote before, right, that are coming into the fray, where they are not traditional news consumers. They are podcasts and TV shows and YouTube clips that they like consumers.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
And it feels like there's heightened responsibility on, you know, obviously you have a show that plays on Comedy Central, but you exist on much more in the social ecosphere, right, than an average show going viral all the time. So there's a lot more responsibility, I feel like, that you guys must be taking on or, you know, sensing as you're crafting your show versus regular times.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Desi has been a correspondent since 2015 on The Daily Show, and now she's one of the show's main hosts, absolutely killing it, covering everything from Obama's last term to Trump's first and now second presidency, plus all the chaos in between. aging moderates. Oh, it's so good to see you.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
Last week, you covered some very serious topics. What's going on with Doge? What was it called? The destruction of government by Elon. Yes. Congressman Jasmine Crockett, who I feel like has been everywhere speaking her mind, telling Musk to F off. I think I can say fuck off. It is my podcast. Fuck it. Say whatever the fuck you want. Fuck it. Good point. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck Elon.
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Desi Lydic on Comedy, Chaos, and Covering Trump (Again)
What do you think that level of rage or that... level of energy is doing to the national discourse? Do you think it's helping or hurting the Democratic Party? This is something, you know, I think about a lot in terms of effective messaging. You know, how is that resonating with people? Yeah.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Do you think that political will involves being open to some kind of means testing at some point? I know that there are Democrats who have said, fine by me, right? Like if we get to the point where there are seniors who definitely don't need it, that we can push them out of the program so that people like your father-in-law can make sure that they are able to get their payments.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
That's right, Scott. Galloway was also making the case when we were talking about it last week using similar examples about how can these two people have the same level of their income tax like this. It's the Warren Buffett rule also about his secretary, right, paying higher taxes than him.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
I want to shift gears and talk a little bit about Signalgate and what's going on there in terms of, you know, the Trump administration. It seems like they're just going to keep saying it's no problem, it's no problem. There wasn't any classified information and there are going to be no resignations, even though there have been calls for Secretary Hegseth to have to leave.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Where do you stand on all of this? And do you think that this is going to be an endemic problem for the administration?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
The Afghanistan withdrawal was the moment, right, where Biden's approval rating went down and then it never recovered from there. And it does feel like the comp isn't even relevant because that was a poorly executed decision. And everybody agrees with that across the aisle. But this is actually the sharing of classified information on an insecure channel.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
which I feel like should compute to people in a different kind of way.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Is that why you voted for the continuing resolution?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, sorry. I think that was wrong of me. If he doesn't make the record, no big deal. I should not have said that.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Do you think that the leadership is up to the task?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, never forget the posts. Got to have the post to go with it. But I've been enjoying the town halls, too, and kind of seeing Republicans have to retreat from it or at least argue that it's all George Soros plants. And I'm fine with that. If you want to go into the midterms thinking that these were all stunts.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
you'll see people show up at the ballot box and the fact that they were ignored for two years certainly won't be helping you. I want to make sure that we talk about your bill with Ted Cruz about banning social media for kids under 13 and to limit the algorithm-driven content for teens. Can you tell us about that? And how did you end up legislative pals with Ted Cruz?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Have you seen pushback from big tech or are they not really getting involved?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, I've been hearing a lot about how much the kids actually like it when their phones get taken away. Like the schools that have the little pouches where when you walk in, you just leave your phone there. And they go and they learn and they talk to each other. I need a pouch at the front door of my house. No, I'm definitely in a bad social media use.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
That's a feature also of Trump being in office that I become a doom scroller at a level that's embarrassing and setting a bad example for my toddler even who thinks that my phone is the most important thing in the world to me, which breaks my heart and yet I change nothing.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
I wanted to ask you about your thoughts on using AI to combat climate change, because that's something that I feel like we're not talking about in the use cases for AI. So could you tell us a bit more?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah. Well, that's a big F on that one, but I'm glad to have people like you Fighting for it. Last question. And I ask this at the end all the time. What's one issue that makes you rage? And what's one thing that you think we should all calm down about?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
I fell in it. I hung out in there for a long time yesterday. That's great to hear, though. I'll trust you on it going forward. And thank you so much for your time, Senator. It was great to get to talk to you. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Thank you.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Well, thank you for stipulating that it was rhetorical because I will be talking about that on The Five later when this comes out and we talk about violent Democrats. I was reviewing your interview with The New Yorker from early February, which feels like 47. I didn't mean to pick that. That is his number, 47th president. But, you know, it feels like a million years ago.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
And there was this line that stuck out to me where you said, we are not cooked. The roots of democracy are still strong. And I'm curious as to How you feel about the roots of democracy today, because I'm usually not a sky is falling Democrat, but Trump post 2020 talking about a third term feels a little sky is falling to me and just how quickly they've been breaking so many things that are.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. And today we've got Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz with us. He's been pushing back against the Trump administration's shutdown of USAID, opposing the executive order to dismantle the Department of Education and blocking some of Trump's diplomatic nominees. But at the same time, he's teamed up with Ted Cruz. Yes, Ted Cruz. I'm reading that right.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
staples and important to the functioning of American democracy has made me a little chicken little.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, it's been interesting to see the movement in every category but immigration for him, where he's still 55 to 60 percent approval, even without due process and some innocence in a labor camp being tortured. So I've kind of taken it as an L and I'm trying to move past it, at least in when I'm discussing these things. How are you finding a way to keep focusing on what matters?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
You're hearing it right. on the Kids Off Social Media Act, and he's also advocating for AI-driven solutions to tackle climate change. A lot to dig into. Senator Schatz, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. I'm a New Yorker, so I have to say it's my favorite state, but Hawaii is probably my favorite state, and I grew up spending tons of time on Maui, and we were just back last year, I guess.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
And can you talk a bit about the reconciliation bill? So your running point for the Democrats there?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, I think that people generally feel that way, that it's a make or break moment having lost this election again. You know, having painted him, as you said, at 10 years as a unique threat to democracy and people who usually vote for us said, sign me up for the chaos agent versus what the Democrats were selling.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
A crucial component of the case that Democrats are trying to make is that they're also coming to dismantle Social Security. And this is where Elon Musk comes into play. And I saw that the Senate Democrats are launching a Social Security war room. Can you tell our listeners a bit about what's going on there?
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
It's the beginning of 2025. But you're from the best place.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
How do you go to D.C.? Don't you just say, like... Call me. Angrily.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
Yeah, it's a pretty good gig, though. The flights must be totally heinous.
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Keeping Kids Off Social Media & Betting on AI for Climate Action (feat. Sen. Brian Schatz)
You're George Clooney. You're up in the air, but less sad. And hopefully your home life is better than whatever was going on for him. Anyway, I digress. There's a lot to get into. I wanted to start with—so we're recording this on Tuesday, April 1st. Cory Booker has been on the Senate floor for 15 hours at this point. It's not a filibuster. It's just a speech, and he's going for a record, right?
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
and she's one of the key voices pushing to recenter the Democratic Party around common sense and real human connection, near and dear to mine and Scott's heart. Welcome to the program, Senator.
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
You seem very calm, so it's actually perfect that you're the new chair of the Mod Squad. Can you tell us about this coalition and, you know, some of the key members and what kind of impact you hope to have in 2026, 2028 and beyond?
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
When I heard about it, I was like, we could brand the crap out of this. Like, it's going to be great.
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
How do you make political centrism sexy? Like I understand there's the winning component and I find winning sexy. Like I much prefer it when we're in charge. But I've always felt as a moderate person that that is a major challenge, you know, like. The results, right? We filled that pothole. That's exciting and that makes your life better, but it doesn't lead newscasts like you were saying.
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
And the way the cable news ecosphere works, and I know this working in conservative media, they're playing clips of AOC, right? They are not playing clips of you being totally normal. Right. Talking about your connection with the Trump voters in your state and making sure that you're satisfying what they wanted from him and also what they wanted from you.
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How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
So how do you think Democrats can attack that issue?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Your next town hall would be a hellscape because you didn't tell me. Okay, so... Nevada.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
But it does feel like this house on fire moment, right? And I've heard that criticism of plain spoken, moderate representatives who say you are not channeling the level of anger and anxiety that I have when my local Head Start has been closed down. My cousin lost their job. You know, we have someone taking over the public school system. who has no respect for public education in this country.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Nevada. Okay. I'm going to try really hard, but this New Yorker is probably going to struggle. Okay. I wanted to start with kind of big picture. This was the 100, marked 100 days of the Trump 2.0 presidency this week. What are your top line thoughts on how it's been going and also how it's been affecting people in your state? Sure.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
And I'm scared. So what do you say to that kind of Democrat or independent or moderate Republican who would be supportive of you about moderates ability to meet that moment?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
No, I've seen you a big performer during that confirmation hearing. And I still, I mean, you obviously know Bill Cassidy. I do not. But I have, personally, I have many thoughts on how we ended up with RFK Jr. as the head of HHS. I'm curious, you've mentioned Doge or Doge-adjacent cuts a number of times since we've been speaking. Elon Musk is on his way out the door at the end of May, it seems.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Special government employee runs out. And also Tesla is in free fall, like the economy, and I think he needs to get back to work. What do you think the future of Doge looks like? And do you have... More faith in your ability to maybe get some of the funding for these programs reinstated once Elon isn't such a big figure in the administration?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Yeah. I mean, good for Lisa Murkowski to just say it out loud and, you know. That's certainly, as an observer of the confirmation hearings, you could see the abject terror on the faces of some of your Republican colleagues. And they say, oh, I'm about to vote for Tulsi Gabbard because I'm scared of what's going to happen to me or Pete Hexeth. It's tough times, but very thankful to have you there.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
And our last question, which we asked everyone, and you did just rage a little bit, but what's one thing that you are raging about and one thing that you think we should all calm down about?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
I like it. Senator Cortez Masto from the great state of Nevada.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
You know how you can do all these very complicated things like, oh, go get a Ph.D., but I can't pronounce it a really important state. It was so great to have you. I hope you'll come back again sometime soon and we'll be watching and supporting the Mod Squad full tilt. We love centrism over here.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Thank you.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
It didn't seem to me like there was this opportunity he could have just taken to basically use the bones of the Biden economy and ride that and make some little changes. You want to go harder on China with tariffs. Understandable, Biden even, you know, three times, threefold increased what Trump had done there.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
But it really seems like tariffs and immigration to some degree, which I want to get to, has kind of created this freefall that you're speaking about. And... The AG in Nevada, is it, did I do it right?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Yeah, ish. Okay, sued the administration over the tariffs. Can you talk a little bit about that and some more, I guess, small business wise, but just how people are feeling about the tariffs in particular? Sure.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
I don't want to get too much into the psychology of it, but it is interesting to me, and each administration is guilty of this, that they come in and it's like they have such an aversion to the last guy that they just try to undo everything. And I thought that that was really the case with border policy under the Biden administration.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
And then we had a surge going up to 250,000 people crossing on a monthly basis, which got toned down with the last year he was in office. But that was obviously about an axe to grind with Trump. And it feels as though Trump can't live with the fact that Biden did a pretty good job managing economy, especially through a global health pandemic like that.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
And do you see any rationale for what he's doing besides partisan spite? And do you feel like there's any chance that this is going to stop before we have total destruction?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Yeah, that brings me to my next question and something that has been a hot topic for Democrats these first three and a half months. Like, how do you respond? What does that look like? Because you have AOC and Bernie that are out on tour, right, and getting 30,000 people to come out in Idaho.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
You have the Chris Murphys of the world, Cory Booker, 25 hours on the floor, Hakeem Jeffries and Cory Booker, you know, on the steps of the Capitol building. Yeah. What as someone who does represent folks that voted for you and for Jackie Rosen and for Donald Trump, what do you see as the best approach for us to be able to fight back in a constructive way?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow. And today I'm thrilled to be joined by Nevada Senator Catherine Cortez Masto. She's the honorary chair of the Mod Squad. That's a group of moderate senators who are all about modernizing how they connect with voters, standing up to political extremes, and actually getting things done for the American people.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Do you think one is more important than the other, the fighting for working class people?
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
Yeah, we had Mark Elias on the podcast, and Democracy Docket is conducting a lot of those lawsuits. And Mark was making the case that it's really going to be the rule of law out of the courts that end up saving us in all of this.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
So you just got to keep filing, especially because they are, to your point, doing so much under the cover of darkness, like Mike Johnson putting poison pills in this reconciliation bill that says that... Trump can't be curbed in terms of his power to tariff, even though that's foundational to America. Like, Boston Tea Party was about this problem.
Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
How To Make Centrism Sexy (feat. Sen. Cortez Masto)
She's been really outspoken lately about the Doge-led cuts hitting critical programs in Nevada, like funding for immunizations and mental health services. She also helped lead a group of senators who wrote to Health Secretary RFK Jr. raising alarms about cuts to Head Start programs.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think so. I mean, the most important color in the election was the color green, right? That was the lesson in all of this. When you look at how many Black and Latino voters switched the way that they vote, not in the billionaire class, but regular 40-somethings, right? 30 and 40-somethings, Gen Zs coming into this thinking that if you have...
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
you know, a big bad businessman, he's going to make my life financially better, even if I find him to be repellent, which has always been the play with Trump, right? That people say, I don't like who he is. Don't listen to what he's saying. I don't think about women this way. I don't think about minorities this way.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But he obviously knows what he's doing because he's run this big business that's had like 40,000 bankruptcies or whatever. But yes, this is, to my mind, basically the only play. I think there will be some folks who get animated about what happens on the immigration front.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yes, that one for me. I mean, I had a due process fight yesterday on the five that made my head spin.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Damn, how could you not at least watch the day before we come on your podcast?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, not a lot of respect for it if it's for certain kind of people. And that's always been the standard, right? If it's me, it's a huge problem. If it's you and you have tattoos and are seeking asylum, then I don't really care. And... That's obviously frustrating, and I think that that will animate some people when they go and vote again.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They say, oh, you told me that you were just getting out convicted criminals who had crossed the border illegally. No, actually, you're happy to get rid of anyone who's here undocumented. And I think that might be a fine position for hardcore MAGA folks, and they should just own it. Tom Homan should just say, you know what? On the campaign trail, we lied to you.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And we said that this was about getting the most dangerous out. And it's actually about getting everybody out who's not here legally. And I'm going to go about my business doing that. I would respect that a lot more and also have to do less research for every show, which I'm looking for in life.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But on the economy front, it seems like, and I've looked at a ton of message testing for this, and I know you guys do as well. And Sarah's constantly in focus groups. and looking at the data, the messaging that works is they're going for tax cuts while they take away your Medicaid. That's it. It's pretty plain and simple. They're in this for themselves.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They promised you that they weren't going to touch their entitlements, but actually $880 billion is going to come out of these programs. And that's kind of it. And you put a neat and tidy bow around it. You have posters with it constantly. Hakeem Jeffries has already started doing this.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I think that's the only way that you get through is you talk about how tariffs are a tax, though there are people on the Democratic side that are pushing back on this. There are protectionist Democrats. I thought actually, I don't know if anyone else listened to Steve Bannon on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but he makes a pretty strong argument for it.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And he's talking about Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, you know, people who are hardcore Democrats. Right. That think that there have to be some protectionist tariffs to keep American industry alive and to raise wages, which we're all for in this. So, yeah, I think the economy is the only way that you're going to be able to go.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But Scott and I were talking about this yesterday on Raging Moderates. like it feels so shitty to have to think that you need to root against the country, right? That you want the stock market to go lower. You want people to have higher grocery prices so that they realize that the people in charge are just out for themselves.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I, as perhaps too emotional as a person, I have high doses of estrogen and maybe some postpartum.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Your eggs should be a million dollars.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think, and I worked in this world, so I'm a little bit defensive, I guess, that I'm probably still having meals on the money that I made in it. But I think what message testing can do that is important is it can get you away from third rails.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
If anyone had done message testing or paid attention to, hey, don't talk about trans rights constantly, where you're on the campaign trail, it can help you with that. Or to know people are feeling economically uncertain. Now go out there and say something meaningful in that space. But I do think that you're right. The commonsensical, which it's so weird to me that that's a real word,
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Anytime anyone says it, I think that they're saying it wrong, but yet it's real. Anyway, if you're talking like a common sense person, which is frankly why people are into AOC right now, they're still not into her politics, but she just talks like someone who gives a fuck, right? And believes in... people and wanting them to do better and knows what the government is doing, et cetera.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So yeah, you just need to go out there and kind of sound like a human being, but the message testing does help you know where you should not be going. And frankly, we would have done a lot better in the election. I think if we had paid attention to like the big flashing red lights that did come out of these focus groups, because they were all saying, stop being preachy. You look down on me.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I want to be treated as an equal.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I feel like the midterm should be tomorrow.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah, four and a half to five over the course of the... But it's interesting that these tax cuts versus Trump tax cuts from the first term actually do not spread the wealth in the same way. Because that was a major talking point that they could hang on to, that there was at least something for the little guy. Like, a very tiny amount.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
This is... This is one of my massive frustrations. And I get that it's a function of where I work, that I have to be so detail-oriented about every single thing that quote-unquote sounds good. We appreciate that. But the fact that no one talks about tax on tips the way Trump is doing it versus the way the Democrats do it kills me.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Trump has no limit to how much you can earn to still get no tax on tips, which means that you can be a hedge fund manager or a corporate lawyer and do your overtime as quote-unquote tips. because there's no limit. I don't remember what Kamala's was like 85,000 or something like that.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So I appreciate the question, especially because it highlights our fantastic brand. So anytime the word raises... I'm here for brand awareness, brand lift.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So that's actually for people who are waiters or waitresses or have these jobs that are really dependent bartenders on tips. And they're talking about it like it's going to be some give back for the working class. And again, it's just for the cronies. It's so frustrating to me.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Totally. We're A-B testing this. So I kind of have two answers. The first answer is that the Trump administration is implementing Project 2025. And we...
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I'm not mad at Scott's analysis. I think I haven't been out in the real world as much as a lot of people, which is one of the criticisms.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I do work for a big corporation, but I was in school.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yes. we do have a diverse set of backgrounds there and a lot of veterans that work here who love Donald Trump and would never think that he would do anything to hurt veterans. And that's still how they feel about it. And I think Scott's probably right that the idea of just getting fired or willy-nilly or whatever.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
It's not going to resonate because people have gotten fired, but it's the approach to it that's going to be something that can maybe get people on board with the idea that Elon Musk is up to no good.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I don't want to be ad testy or campaign message testy about this, but something that I do think resonates with people is that Elon Musk, I think he's getting another $8 million a day in government contracts. while other people are losing their jobs or we're not paying 12 cents a day through USAID to keep people who have HIV in Africa alive.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I found that article in the New York Times over the weekend to be particularly moving. And everything has to be contrasts, or at least I feel that way. To be like, this stuff is going on while this is also going on. And one side of the equation is just getting richer. And they're getting richer off of you. They're not having to go through the same doge process, right?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
were told that that was what was going to happen, and then they did everything that they could to say it wasn't going to happen, and then it's so clearly happening that the guy who actually created Project 2025, who was pushed to the side when the press got so bad about it before the election, is now back saying this is beyond his wildest imagination.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No one is looking under the hood of Elon Musk's companies at the same time that they're holding you to this standard. And one thing, and I don't know if it's just a mistake to be talking about DEI at all, because obviously that blew up in Democrats' faces in the election, but... The amount of people who don't think that veterans would be a protected class within DEI is astounding to me.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I do think that that's powerful. I've seen conservatives in real time realize that veterans are hired for work. a specific kind of background, right? Because they fill a certain kind of quota and they're like, oh, that's weird. That's the same thing that you're talking about where maybe there are folks who come from X background that would be good for this job.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I do think that that's an important argument to make. This kind of like, they could come for you. There is no one that is actually safe from this because they're living the next four years in a total YOLO state of mind, right? Trump can't run again. I mean, we will probably get to the point where he says he can run again.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But if we're just treating this as four years, I don't think they care about the future for JD Vance or whoever's going to be the standard bearer after this. They are going to create as much chaos and as much wealth for themselves as they possibly can in the next four years. And you have to try every single approach to make that clear to the American public that that is what's happening.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think you know why.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Like, they are doing such a good job subverting Congress, destroying our institutions, firing people, expanding executive power. You know, the Department of Education... It has to be technically an act of Congress to get rid of it, but who knows at this point, right?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
If you have judges' orders that you're openly flouting and then saying, and we're going to continue to do it, the sky's the limit, essentially, in this. And so I'm most mad about, or most ragey, about what's actually gone on in the practical terms.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Well, I certainly think with the CR that that's what happened. We've known that this was going to happen. The government could shut down March 14th if this doesn't get passed for months. And it feels like everyone woke up a week before and started freaking out about it. But this is the tune that we've been singing
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
since Trump, not even since he got inaugurated because he de facto became president like four to six weeks before that, right? Everyone was still flying to Mar-a-Lago trying to figure out what's up. Even foreign leaders were coming and doing it. So we were totally flat-footed. We didn't have a catchy name for the CR bill. Like we didn't talk about it as like,
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
doge 2.0 so people didn't know what it was and most people actually thought it was a clean cr they thought it was the same spending bill that you would have gotten from biden biden harris that's on us right that we didn't get it out there and then we didn't have an alternate proposal i couldn't believe it you know everyone's saying like oh we want to try for our own amendments why didn't you have your own bill that you could hold up and you say you know what i'm
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Republicans could come over and they could look at our bill and let's take half from each of ours and mash it together and get something to keep the government open. That feels like a leadership problem on that front. And I mean, Chuck Schumer, he basically lied to his caucus, right? He said they don't have the votes.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
He got all of these vulnerable senators to go out there, film their little videos saying I'm a no on the CR. And then he said, actually, we don't have the votes for this. And I think it's going to be worse if the And maybe he's right about that. But the way he went about it was terrible, and Hakeem Jeffries was able to keep his caucus in line. Jared Golden voted for it, but who cares?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
One person who has a very specific kind of district did it. Like, no big deal. In terms of the message discipline overall, I don't know if this counts as a pushback, but I just want to add to it that there is... a message discipline that you feel coming from people like Thune or Mike Johnson.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Well, that's the second part.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But what the Trump administration has done, and the Washington Post had a big piece about this, is they have invited in content creators and basically taken away levels of approval that you would usually have to go through for the type of stuff that they're putting in.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So they're giving them access to the inner workings of the White House in a way that you wouldn't expect content creators were able to have. And they don't have to necessarily get the highest level of sign-off on things.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
So the video that came out a week or two ago of the people who are undocumented getting perp-walked, essentially, that didn't have to go through the highest level of approval to get out there. They were like, let's just throw shit at the wall. Let's put this out there and see what happens. And it ended up creating hundreds of millions of impressions. And
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
That's the second part of this. I don't want to just call it a messaging problem because I feel like that reduces it to something as simple as if we had just held Project 2025 up in better light and said, oh, look at this thing. It's actually going to happen, that it all would have been fine and people would have realized the stakes on November 5th and it would be President Kamala.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
We don't have that happening because at this particular moment also, politics is not cool in democratic circles. Everyone who wants to continue getting great ad sales is running away from politics. When is the next time you think you're going to get Alex Cooper to have someone on to talk about politics?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
2040 by the time she's not calling her daddy anything right so call her granddaddy call her grand that'd be a sexy yeah I hope we can go rage on that but like it's diametrically opposed what's happening right now like Joe Rogan is constantly going to have political people on Andrew Schultz Theo Vaughn
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
you know, bus and boys, all of them are going to keep having these conversations because it's what's cool right now. And on our side, it's so uncool. And we're trying to replicate trends from two, three years ago. These videos are so cringy or all the senators saying the same thing. And then they basically nuke us in one tweet, just being like, is this control alt F or like whatever, whatever.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I'm not good on the computer, but you know what I mean? Like, did they just cut and paste all of them?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Isn't that what Rahm Emanuel is kind of doing?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah, I assume so, right? I mean, Politico is reporting that that is what he wants to do, but he is out there portraying himself as an option for us, right? Someone who is grounded in progressive values and has the execution in the pragmatic world, which is all Democrats want at this point.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Someone who believes the same things as them, but has an actionable plan to affect policy and to also stop Republicans from what they're doing. The problem is a lot of the folks that are going to be up on that 2028 stage are governors right now and can't say that they're leaving that job, like Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I think it kind of neuters you in terms of your current job if you're doing it this far in advance, three and a half years out.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But I'm really ragey about how much capital has been blown by the left, myself included in this kind of harping on the wrong things and then losing people when the stuff that really mattered, that you really needed to get across, like that this was going to happen. And this is what these people think of public service and of government. And they're not there to help you.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
They're actually there to hurt you. And that's my biggest source of frustration. And it's a very democratic thing. In terms of the political party, not democracy, right? Large thing to do that we're always self-flagellating, which Republicans never do. They're just like, well, I'm moving on to the next thing.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, they're starting to get that they need it. I don't know how genuine it is because it felt like people were actually thriving off of a moment where they could only talk about women and protected classes and almost relished the ability to To kind of push aside specifically white men who they felt had been holding us back and tearing us down for so long. But they definitely got the memo.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
But I live in this world of just focusing on what we could have done better or what I could have done better. And that's my big frustration.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And you can see it in people having these proposals and how we talk about the issues. But I just wanted to highlight from Wes Moore's program a couple things that are really important. This is the enhanced male paternity leave, which is part of what Scott was talking about. But he calls out specifically for increasing our male teacher share and our male healthcare provider share.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I think the visibility part of this is actually what's most important. And it kind of answers every question that we've been talking about for the last hour. What is the answer? It's to show up, no matter what. And you see the Congress people that are doing well, like the Pat Ryans of the world, He goes and he bartends. He shows up at like a local pub in his district and he's the bartender.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
That's the same thing as... you're waiting in a doctor's office and a male nurse walks in and you see that. You see someone who's part of your healthcare journey, someone who's taking care of you, someone who has the kind of qualifications to be doing that.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
And I noticed, and obviously it was made for very good jokes, but I don't know if you guys watched Andrew Schultz's newest Netflix special about his IVF journey or him and his wife's IVF journey.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
He has a very funny bit about the male nurse that is on this journey for him. It's like a hulking Italian guy who knows him from his comedy and is basically cracking jokes about him not being able to get his wife knocked up. And I was thinking, because everything kind of goes back to politics for me, besides enjoying it and finding it very funny,
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
the whole special, like how important it is to normalize those kinds of relationships, right? And that someone like Andrew Schultz, who has a ton of bravado, has some jokes.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Isn't it crazy?
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
I mean, it's always very cheeky, but that certainly people think are sexist or misogynist, is portraying this male character in his journey to bring him the most beautiful thing and the most valued thing in his life, his baby, right? And to take care of his wife, who's another treasured part
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
of his existence and I love that that's a big part of what Westmore is proposing in this because it's not about the messaging of it it's literally how can we get more men to show up in important places in people's lives also for them to have jobs that to Scott's point like keep them afloat get them a house get them a vacation every year not St.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Barts maybe Disney World but I come visit me not for Mardi Gras though it's too insane
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Yeah. You're like, get on with it.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
No, he's like, and I will protect you. And I mean that in the most violent way. And it's like, oh, well, actually, no, I'm going to vote for you this time. So, yeah.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Oh, my God. That's a good argument to make, to be like, you guys are against this, and yet, look what you have done to me, one of your liberal prize possessions. No, boy Jessie and girl Jessie is just too confusing. Another host on Fox called him Jessica Waters one day, and he flipped out on air. It was very funny.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Scott.
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S2 Ep1002: Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov: The Cheap Whore at the White House
Oh, go on.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News Crashes Hard on Live TV as Trump Tanks Fast
And it's going to preserve jobs. So stop with the tariffs. It's the leverage that we need to protect. No, no, no. No, I'm glad he did what he did with Canada because they- Because you have enough money to survive it. No, that's not the point. This is for, this is, look, it's going to float all boats. Come on, Jessica. Really?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
What's your reaction when you hear that? That sounds like a completely normal reaction to this. The problem isn't with Doge or the mission of Doge. Everyone remembers when it got announced, there were a bunch of Democrats who said, let me on the committee. You know, Jared Musk was like, sign me up. The problem is, the problem is, with what's actually happening.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
And if you look between the numbers, people are broadly supportive of Doge, the Gen Z class, but Elon Musk only has a 31% approval rating with 18 to 29 year olds and how he's executing this. And they can see the difference between chaos and actually creating efficiency.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
They're looking at a world in which hundreds of millions of dollars of aid is going to perish because they're blocking us sending it out. There was a story about a 71-year-old woman in Thailand who goes to a USAID hospital to get her oxygen treatments. She died because that hospital was cut off from their aid package. They're looking at lies that have been spread.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
USAID is, what, about $40 billion? And you look at that in contrast to... That's a lot of money. Well, it isn't when you look at the $4.5 trillion in tax cuts that Trump is going to try to ram through. It's not. They want to take $2 trillion out in Medicare, in Medicaid, in SNAP benefits.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
They want to add $4.5 trillion in tax cuts, but they can't fund a hospital in Thailand so that woman can get her treatment. Rich, let me let you in here.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
But the real issue here is that he's talking a big game about transparency, but he's not being transparent himself. This idea that Elon Musk shouldn't have to do financial disclosures like everybody else who's working in the government is ludicrous.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
No, also, when you pull it up, it's empty right now. And President Trump said yesterday, oh, well, he doesn't need to do it. Caroline Leavitt has said he doesn't need to do it. The New York Times is reporting that at least 11 of the federal agencies that they have gone after have opened complaints, over 32, opened complaints into Musk's businesses. Don't the American people deserve to know?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Yikes! Fox News Loses It as Trump Tanks Bad
He has tens of billions of dollars in government contracts. If you are the doge master, then open up your own books. That's part of the federal government. They are spending money on Elon Musk and all this technology.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Melania Humiliates Donald After Going Missing from WH
1979, I had gotten on an airplane. The stewardess said to me, would you like to come up to first class? In the window seat was a gentleman, said that his name was Donald Trump. The airplane took off and all of a sudden Donald Trump started groping me. He was trying to kiss me and I'm trying to push him away. He was basically overpowering me.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Melania Humiliates Donald After Going Missing from WH
When he started putting his hand up my skirt, I got out of the seat, grabbed my purse, and went back to my original seat. And I certainly was shook up by the whole thing. Two years later, at this fundraiser, up comes Trump and his wife. And he looked at me and he said, I remember you. You're that cunt from the airplane. Donald Trump views women as, for his entertainment, he is a serial predator.
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Melania Humiliates Donald After Going Missing from WH
He has said it point blank, and he's done it, and he will continue to do it.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
Again, you cite polls, but...
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
Adults have to do the adult job, and it's not going to be popular.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
Congressman, I'm confident that your hypothetical wouldn't even play out under a Democrat president. And I'm confident that you don't believe that either.
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Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
Congressman, I'm well aware now of what you're referencing. I'm not always well aware of every single thing uttered from the president of the United States mouth, but I am well aware of the statement he issued from the Oval Office about possibly expanding the El Salvadorian deportations to homegrown criminals. He did say very clearly in that clip, we'd have to obey the law, not once, but twice.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
homegrown criminals, but we'd have to obey the law. The reason I stick on that detail, Congressman, is that I feel like your party, even in your hypothetical that you just gave to me, is doing is playing into fear mongering.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
You're trying to convince the American citizen that they are going to be in the same situation as an illegal immigrant who's accused of being a member of MS-13, domestic violence and human smuggling. And it's simply not fair. realistic. In fact, it's fear mongering to suggest to the American people that somehow deporting Kilmar Brego Garcia means next they're going to deport Will Kane.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Fox News in Panic Mode as Trump Plans Backfire
This isn't even about political ideology or even immigration. We're seeing judges who clearly lean towards a specific side. They're called activist judges, but that's a contradiction. Judges are not activists. They are judges. Maybe this judge has a backstory with this illegal. Could it be? It's not just the gavel that she's banging, Shannon.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
What do I do? How was your trip?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, let me put something out there, which is All of that is true as someone who lived in London for a long time and was over there when Brexit was happening. I hope they backs it. I had not heard that term. You know, they had buyer's remorse about 20 minutes after the decision came down. And they were fed a lot of propaganda to make them make that choice. Thank you, Nigel Farage.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
A stronger Europe and a less dependent Europe is to some degree Donald Trump fulfilling one of his promises, which is to get us out of the global order in the way that we have been. And his voters overwhelmingly don't think that we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. He is actually being responsive to his own voters in saying that. And this has been going on for the last year or two.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I think people were really jazzed about the conflict in the beginning where Ukraine was pulling off these incredible defeats and they seemed like they were going to win. And something changed. You know, Russia was not falling apart in the way that they expected. Donald Trump and co. were obviously amplifying that. But it brings up this larger question.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If the people who sent you to Washington feel a certain way about something, is it your duty to then behave in such a way or make decisions that are aligned with that? Or do you go with what's actually the right thing to do in a historical sense?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I did my regular life. I had this crazy moment walking. I had the double stroller. I had both my girls with me. I was walking into the village to get some cookies because all you're looking for with young kids is an activity, right? To get them out of the house. I'm like, let's go get cookies. And this young man I saw, he was kind of checking me out. And I'm like, okay, that's cool.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I just know. You know, I was looking at the data on what Republicans support for— Us continuing to support Ukraine is and only 36 percent say that we should keep doing that. Nearly half say that we're giving too much aid to Ukraine. And a lot of people and not just Republicans have bought into the idea that we need help at home. Right.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We need that money to be spent on us rather than to be spent on a conflict abroad that, frankly, Democrats and Republicans have not effectively contextualized in the life of the average American.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So you could say, yeah, there are tons of people showing up at town halls who have World War II vets in their families, but they're probably outliers from the average person that I, you know, walked across. down the street and passed, right? And says, okay, well, we're going to send another $60 billion or whatever it is. We're going to send long range missiles over there.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're saying, you know, I can't put food on the table here.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I still got it. And then he goes, hi, mom. And I was like, oh, my God. What is happening now? Has my sexual identity become mom? And then he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, burp me.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I wish... Someone in a position of electoral power had articulated it that way because I don't think that anyone thinks that they have a job or are making more money or that even they are safer at home, which is what they care about, versus lots of people who are abroad. because we've been involved in this conflict. And they thought that it would end in a year, two years.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now we're at the third anniversary of this. And yes, there have been tons of accomplishments in terms of what the Ukrainians have pulled off. But Russia is not going away. Basically, everyone admits that there have to be some sort of concessions, even Zelenskyy. has talked about that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Burp me because I have kids, right? Like burp me. Like you burp kids.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Maybe not, you know, going back to, you know, a few years ago, but we're certainly not getting back to the pre-2014 lines by any stretch of the imagination. And nobody is making that case to an American public that at this moment cares first and foremost about what is happening at home, not just in terms of it being the United States, but in their actual home.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's so creepy. And then now I'm thinking, am I just a mom? Have I become only a vessel in life and no one would want to catcall me about something distinct from my children? But I did have them with me. And also he seems like a total pervert. Anyway, that was the highlight of my weekend.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I feel like I'm old enough to think that there is never a breaking point with Republicans. There are, you know, little spurts of pushback or where you think someone— still has their soul or their moral compass, but then generally they get in line, and I think the confirmation process has really elucidated that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, this is Trump's party, this is Trump's administration, and they will do things Trump's way. So I'm not waiting for any Republican to save us from this. It does seem like the American public, though, may be the ones to do it, and I've been surprised by how quickly... Trump's image and approval rating has softened or decreased or gotten shittier in people's eyes.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
There are a few polls that show that his approval hasn't sunk. I should note that. But in general, the trend line is going in the negative direction. And these are all high quality polls like Gallup, Quinnipiac, Reuters, CNN. Ipsos, CNN.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The thing that I think is most important in all of this, and it comes from a Gallup poll, is that only 20% think that the economy is excellent or good and 59% think that the economy is getting worse. So people wanted a pocketbook reversal in making their choice. in electing Donald Trump on November 5th. They don't feel like they are getting it from him.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And you're seeing that reflected in the market and people are well aware. I think tariffs are the second most least popular thing that he's done. Number one was partnering all the January Sixers. And folks know what the tariffs are going to do to the American economy. I also saw that the Democrats are now up double digits on the generic ballot. Think how quickly
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
that change, that we just lost an election and we have, the Republicans only have a slim majority in the House, but still, they won, right? They're in control, all three, right? They have the White House, Senate, and House, and now Democrats are up double digits on a generic ballot.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I agree with you. And I would add to it that there have been several analyses of what Doge has actually cut, including from the conservative Wall Street Journal. So while Musk is out there saying we found $55 billion in cuts, they say it's $2.6 billion, actually. And over a multi-year period, only 2% are related to quote-unquote DEI efforts.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And the rest of it is just stuff that, like, maybe he doesn't want to do, like, you know, develop a drug to help cure Alzheimer's, for instance. But they're doing this thing where – because they're controlling the conversation on social media that they're shitposting at such a rapid rate that you can't figure out what's true and what's not true.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're essentially telling people that contracts or bits of information about how the federal government are doing things – that they've unearthed it when it's all publicly available information. But guess what?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
To your point, you need subject matter experts, people who actually deal in this data all the time, to comb through it and to tell you, no, actually, this is publicly available on X site, right? Or you go here, and that's where you would know about that contract, for instance. And so the flooding the zone has been wildly effective, I think, in terms of controlling the discourse.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But they have not been able to control the American people when it comes to this because the people, two to one ratio, don't approve of Musk's outsized role in the government or what Doge is doing. And in these town halls, which you cited, which are happening in Republican districts, everyone who's a swing district Republican down to people in very safe seats, these constituents are showing up.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, it's more interesting than watching Moana, which I also did a number of times this weekend. So you live for very little. You remember the baby phase.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're not only talking about Doge to the brass tacks stuff that you're discussing. They are losing their minds over this $880 billion cut to Medicaid. they didn't think that this was going to have practical implications for them. Because guess what? It's not popular to sit around and say, oh, I love the federal government so much, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And don't touch a single, you know, hair on the head of anyone who works at USAID. I mean, that's something that feels so foreign and detached from the average American's daily life. But what isn't detached from it is Medicaid, Head Start, the 9-11 Health Initiative. I mean, 9-11 was one of the more unifying moments in American history, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
No matter where you lived in this country, no matter how you voted, you were horrified. that we had a terrorist attack on American soil, that we lost 3,500 American lives and millions since then in terms of the repercussions with the air quality and the cancers that people developed from that. My dad died of a 9-11 cancer.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, we're part of that 9-11 health initiative world because of the implications. And when they go after something like that, when you live in rural Iowa, you say... Excuse me. How is it possible that that's on the chopping block? And Jon Stewart has always been such an effective messenger on this subject. He'll show up in Congress to say you're going after absolutely the wrong things.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I can't. I'm the mom.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You have something that has what a 90 percent approval rating. Let's say the folks that went down there and cleaned up after that terrorist attack. or who have worked in the support system, the family members of the heroes that died that day, and that's who you want to be coming out after?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Like, we heard all of these fantasies about $50 million for condoms for people in Gaza, or, you know, supporting the arts for transgender people in Liberia, or whatever lies they were telling us. And they're just not being borne out by the data. And people are getting that message. And Democrats really have to stick to the script on this. There is a budget that will be being brought to the floor.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's going through the Rules Committee today. So when this is released tomorrow, Tuesday, it's supposed to be coming there and Republicans are going to have to vote on it. And it has an $880 billion cut to Medicaid in it. And there are conservative lawmakers that are begging leadership to to take it out.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Josh Hawley, someone who I really have, I don't think ever had anything nice to say about, wants to add an amendment to it on the Senate side to make sure that these cuts can't go through because they understand it'll decimate the lives of their constituents. So there is plenty in here to be going after.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But I think it is important to say time and time again that what Elon Musk is telling you they are doing, they are not. He is saying $55 billion. It is at most $2.6 billion.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I want to talk about the rebate checks for a second, though, because this has over the last few years actually been a really important point in terms of our electoral outcomes, because we did checks at the beginning of covid because of the CARES Act, which Republicans opposed. Donald Trump opposed, but it was passed and it went through while Trump was still president.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And he signed those checks himself. Right. It's a Donald J. Trump. gave you money. And then we did a couple more rounds of checks during the Biden administration. But of course, you know, Joe Biden didn't want to put his name on those checks. So they had a career treasury official's name on it. And when people went and voted, they didn't know that Joe Biden ever gave them money. Right.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It was that Donald Trump gave me money and then I had a really crappy four years and now Donald Trump is going to come back. And these rebate checks, which if you look at the money, it obviously doesn't add up because those savings are a fantasy in all of this. But if people receive a $5,000 check that says Donald J. Trump on it, that will be meaningful. And we need to be very careful around this.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now, I don't know if that's going to go through. That seems like a muskism versus something that might actually happen on Twitter. on the federal level. But I'm concerned about that because those are the types of tangibles that people remember when they go and vote.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they will also provide further smoke to this smokescreen that's going on and what's actually happening in the federal government versus the reality on the ground.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The obvious one is the reshaping of the courts. Biden did really well and had an almost breakneck pace in terms of judicial confirmations. It doesn't compare to the damage that McConnell has done with the Supreme Court being revoked. you know, the cherry on top of all of this and his ruthlessness and refusing to give Merrick Garland a hearing will be remembered throughout history.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
That was the beginning of this. But he slowed down judicial confirmations during the Obama era to a trickle at best and took advantage of Harry Reid blowing up the filibuster in 2013. And we ended up in this position where, you know, the courts are stacked against us, I say us as Democrats or left-leaning people, for generations to come. And so I think that's probably the biggest one.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I feel like first we should talk about what's going on. And you were away last week, so I'm sure you have a lot of pent-up thoughts about what seems like—
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think there's an image that folks saw last week, which will also... Stick with us. And this doesn't just apply to McConnell, but this crop of 80-something legislators, 70-something legislators. You know, it's McConnell and Jim Justice, who's the new senator from West Virginia, was the governor. And they're both in wheelchairs and they're passing each other and they're high-fiving.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And it just—I understand, you know, people have accidents and McConnell had fallen. Justice has had trouble walking for a very long time. But you just—you look at this and you— you think we have to be able to do better, not in an ageist way.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I hate to think of myself as someone who is ageist, but it doesn't feel right that the folks that have these rarefied jobs, there are only a hundred of them, right? In a country of 330 million, that we have people who are that old, who are refusing at that level to pass the torch. And yes, I know McConnell is retiring, But it's a problem across the board that we've really got to address.
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Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
As usual, super mellow about it. But, you know, the capitulation, the complete betrayal of Ukraine, it makes me feel as though every negative thing That we have thought over the last several years about Trump vis-a-vis Russia, you know, from anything. And I'm not going to say he is a Russian asset, but obviously we started in that place from 2016.
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I totally agree. I love how he was even embracing— of the kind of pop culture characterizations of him, like Cocaine Mitch or the Grim Reaper. You know, he leaned into all of that, or at least a staffer did for him, and embraced that role. We need to be more cutthroat in the way that we do politics. But he also is very much representative of the type of Washington person
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that led us to having Donald Trump. And there, you know, people will spend generations talking about, you know, how did we end up with Trump? And they'll talk about what went on in the Obama era and this, you know, latent racism that spilled out, right? And then people started voting for Trump, et cetera.
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But people like Mitch McConnell, who are Washington creatures, who have been there forever, who folks didn't feel like they were responsive to Trump, friends in American society, to how they were feeling about their lives, to how they were feeling about foreign entanglements. He was a poster child for that. And we would not have had Trump without there being so many Mitch McConnells there.
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Then you have Helsinki in 2018 where he stood up there and sided with Putin over the intelligence agencies. who had all told us that Putin meddled in the election and had wanted Trump to win, that it's all kind of coming to fruition. And Boris Johnson, the former prime minister of the U.K., who's a staunch ally of Ukraine, a friend of Zelensky, has been a number of times
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And I think The image of him not voting to convict Donald Trump in the second impeachment, even though he said that he was guilty of it, right, and saying this is something that we'll leave to the courts, will certainly stick with us, but also flies in the face of this notion that there were anybody on the right that stood up to Trump.
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Because I think that they like to say that, that these are the guys with the backbone. Maybe Mitt Romney is the exception to that, and I should shout him out for that. But Mitch McConnell is such a central piece in the complete takeover of the Republican Party by Donald Trump. And I think that's an important element of his legacy.
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He voted for Patel, actually.
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He voted against Tulsi.
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I like it. Were you brewing that one for the whole hour of us chatting?
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That's all you crave in your 40s.
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And he tried to soften this a bit, I guess, on X. And he posted, you know, obviously, Zelensky is not a dictator. Obviously, they didn't provoke this. This is all Russia's fault, etc. But he said that he thought that Trump was trying to shock Europe into unfreezing the 300 billion that they have in Russian assets and to use that to support Ukraine. Now, that feels...
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like he's just grasping at straws at this point and that Trump isn't playing 3D chess while we're stuck playing checkers. But it is one of the more depressing moves, I guess, of the first five weeks of the Trump term. I feel very sad. What about you?
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I think the answer is yes. And it's been interesting to watch the number of folks that have gone to work for Trump, especially in the foreign policy world, like the Marco Rubios of the world, Mike Waltz, the folks that we initially were saying, well, at least these are the really good guys, right? We're going to be fine on this front.
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But as they're talking and they're supporting Steve Witkoff as well, doing interviews over the weekend, the special envoy, It's like you can see their souls leaving their bodies, right, as they're discussing what the new plan is for the world. And it runs so counter to decades of experience. Some of them have fought for themselves as veterans, right, not just policy wonks sitting in D.C.
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or in their home states talking about what the future should look like. People actually put their lives on the line and are now going against that new world order. And Trump has had a bee in his bonnet about Europe since he arrived on the scene. He stood up there and said, if you're not making your 2% contribution to NATO, you don't deserve to be in this with us.
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And people have started paying up, and some people even paying above the 2% for their own defense.
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to look at the totality of the picture because there are decent arguments that are underpinning some of this. It's just when you look at the complete product, you have to wonder if there is a completely nefarious motivation for getting us into this kind of position. And Europe is weaker than it used to be. The economies are stagnant.
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Like you said, if you want to get rich, build a business, et cetera, you do that in America. If you want to spend your money, you go to Europe because you can do apres-ski and you can shop and you can talk to interesting people from all over the world who are there to relax and to have fun. But they're not innovating anywhere close to the way that we are.
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They're not educating anywhere close to the way that we are. And I think that Trump and co. are certainly cognizant of it. But, you know, you listen to the Germans had their elections yesterday. We meddled in their elections outright with Elon Musk and J.D. Vance, you know, pushing forward the far right AFD, which underperformed. So the CDU wins. And I'm listening to the.
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We sent our A-team over, and we were like, why don't you hear J.D. Vance out on this? Why don't you hear Elon Musk out on this? But it should be noted, you know, the CDU is the conservative party, and Merz, who's the leader of it, will be the new chancellor, is much to the right of where Merkel was. especially on immigration.
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So this is a trend line that we are seeing across the world, that people are not interested in open borders. They want to hear about a national identity. They want to hear about people doing it the right way. And they want to make sure that you don't have this... cultural hodgepodge that doesn't jibe with the way that they want their society to be. So that is part of this.
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But some of the quotes from Merz about the impact of the election and also thinking about the U.S. as partners are leave me almost despondent. You know, we must prepare for the possibility that Donald Trump will no longer uphold NATO's mutual defense commitment unconditionally.
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We also need to talk to the British and the French, the two European nuclear powers, about whether nuclear sharing or at least nuclear security from the UK and France could also apply to us. They are scared and they are not looking to us for help. It's smart of them to be thinking this way. So I'd love to hear what you think about that.
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And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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But then also, I want to talk a little bit about Zelensky, the man, because he seems like a total hero in all of this. I was listening to his comments from the weekend. He And, you know, this is a guy with a 57% approval rating. We know in wartime people don't have elections. He's not a dictator. I am not saying that Ukraine doesn't have corruption. Of course, there are oligarchs there.
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If there are oligarchs, there is going to be corruption. But the fact that he stood there and he said, I'll step down for peace. If you give us NATO... I'll go. You know, it's not about the personal ego in this. And it does harken back to a World War II time, right, where you saw people rise up and show their character in such a way. And that was very moving for me.
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It was rough. Yeah, I was walking around like a lost puppy all week. Like, who do I talk to?
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And I'm Jessica Tarlov.
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So, yeah, it doesn't seem like Schumer being minority right. or let alone a majority leader again, is an idea that's long for this world. You know, Hakeem Jeffries basically dodged a question about it. I think Senator Warnock, also from Georgia, made a comment which was basically like, I'm not backing this guy, especially after he hung all of us out to dry.
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There is precedent, and you say, what would Mitch McConnell do in this in 2021 under similar circumstances? Senate Republicans successfully filibustered on a continuing resolution, and they got some of what they wanted. People just want to see the fight, right?
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They just want to see that there is a pulse and that that pulse understands the existential threat to the constitutional republic that we are witnessing. And I hate to be that girl that's screaming constitutional crisis, but all of the evidence is just sitting out there in front of us. And Bill Maher used to always say, it's a slow-moving coup. It's a slow-moving coup. This coup is so fast.
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Usain Bolt wouldn't be able to catch it at this point. Like, when you look at the continuing resolution and it's a six months, right? That's a quote unquote short-term funding bill. Think about what's happened in just two months. So then you give them another six months of runway with furloughed employees and bureaus being closed and you have to go to the absolute worst possible conclusion.
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And it's not as if the American public isn't noticing that things are going badly. So according to the new NBC poll, the only area that Trump is above water on is his handling of immigration. And we're going to talk about that. in the next block. But people disapprove of how he's doing the job generally, the economy, how he's handling tariffs. You see people like Scott Besant.
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Okay. Well, do you want to do a whole show about what it was like with little kids this weekend? Since you don't have the strength to fight me on this. And I can tell you about having my first fight with my husband about parenting in front of other couples. Yeah. with kids the same age. Did you guys ever do this? It's very uncomfortable. And they probably think we're getting divorced.
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He's on with Kristen Welker over the weekend. She's asking him about, you know, the market plunging, trade wars, and he says a correction is healthy. Well, this is so easy for people who have over half a billion dollars to say. It made me think back to, do you remember Wilbur Ross, who was the Commerce Secretary of
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in Trump 1.0 and he I think his net worth is about 700 million and he's talking about tariffs again I guess it's a theme that tariffs are not good for people and he holds up a Campbell's soup can right and he says well people can have soup for a little bit and it was of course wildly out of touch it was Marie Antoinette moment and we went about our business and we elected somebody else
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But now it's like when you have 13 billionaires in your cabinet, it's just everywhere. There is nowhere to look for a person with any semblance of a normal perspective on what's going on. And the American public get it. Like there was this new stat recently that it's the highest level of people who think that business conditions will be worse in a year since 1980.
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So they are smashing records on consumer sentiment going down. This, how will things be for me in the next year? And it's kind of astounding that it happened this quickly, right? There was a lot of economic promise coming into this, or at least the average voter felt that way. And it's been a complete reversal. And Democrats are just sitting there thinking, like, if I post a video from my car,
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And shout out Mark Warner. I was glad that he started engaging with social media in the 21st century in a way that, you know, people can access it and maybe feel like you're even slightly relatable. But like car videos aren't going to save us at this point. Floor votes aren't
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Yeah. Just lean in.
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Okay. We're in a public place. It is quiet. But people are eating. So we're in like the cafeteria part of a Whole Foods having lunch with three three-year-olds and the respective parents. The kids start being really loud. disrupting other people, for sure. There are other kids there, but they're not making noise. They're younger than ours are.
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I don't know. We're going to find out. I feel like I have a little bit of interview egg on my face because I talked to Mark Elias last week. The interview went up on Friday and it was all about how the courts are the only viable backstop for what's going on. And then you wake up and you're like, OK, well, that's gone. So what do we have? It feels like we got nothing on this.
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And I'm watching Tom Holman, the border czar. He's on Fox and Friends this morning. So we're recording this Monday morning. And he's asked by Lawrence Jones, the host, well, what's next? And he says, another flight, another flight every day. We are not stopping. I don't care what the judges think. I don't care what the left thinks. We're coming. So they're laying it all out on the field, right?
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Going back to a six-month spending bill. That's tons of time in Trump years for them to accomplish whatever it is that they are going after. And, you know, it's a difficult place to be in because, like, I tweeted something about this yesterday, and I said, well, I guess the courts aren't stopping him.
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And Tommy Lahren, who is, you know, a MAGA firebrand and one of my colleagues, we actually get along really well, she responded and said, you know, Jess, I love you, girl, but, like, why are you defending these people? And I'm not defending Trender Awagwa gang members.
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I'm defending the rule of law and the fact that, according to immigration attorneys, there are people on those flights who had legitimate asylum claims and are not in a gang. They've been using tattoos as evidence of someone being part of this gang, which is a murderous gang. And I want every single one of those people out of this country.
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But they're saying about this one person's client that they had the gang tattoos, and she posted on social media that that is not the case, that this person has decorative tattoos, part of the LGBTQ plus community, here with a legitimate asylum claim, And their hearing was supposed to have started last week, but this person was disappeared.
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And there's another person whose hearing was supposed to be today, on Monday. But they ended up on one of these flights heading to El Salvador, to one of the scariest prisons that apparently exists on the face of the planet. And I feel so despondent about what to do. And...
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worried that we used all of our alarm bells and all of our words about the constitutional crisis and the end of the republic too early, right? That we were... This was 2016, 2017, and it went through 2020. And then he did actually try to stay past... his sell-by date, right? The voters decided they wanted Joe Biden. He stages an insurrection, gets away with it.
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Now every prosecutor that worked on that is gone. He's going after the lawyers that worked on those cases, etc. But I don't know if we should have just been quiet the entire time. And certainly there were some big swings and misses, right? We should not have done Russia, Russia, Russia, even though the Mueller report obviously did show that the Russians were working to get Trump elected.
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So they're like in strollers, just kind of chilling, but people are working. People are having low conversations. Anyway, they start doing Ring Around the Rosie real loud. My husband has a very low threshold for this. He also reflexively hands over his phone for screen time. I feel like he pushes screen time on my child. But we're also with two other families that don't do screen time at all.
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I am not trying to minimize any of that, but it feels like people completely tuned out the argument that he is a threat to democracy. They don't want to hear about January 6th again, which seems like a clear precursor to what we're seeing now, and that we're like the girl who cried insurrection, and now we have nothing.
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Just green card.
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It's the best. I shouldn't say that. Student visa would be worse. He has the best you can have.
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So he starts offering up his phone to my daughter. I'm pushing back saying, you can't do that because these other kids, you can't even give one kid a snack that the other kids can't have. Anyway, It got bad, you know, and the dads were intervening, saying, you know, you can't do this. We distracted them with food a little bit, but there was big back and forth.
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I share a lot of your same sentiments. This is someone who is completely abhorrent to me. And I see this also as a major failing of Columbia University that could have nipped this in the bud last year. And it is part of the Trump administration's plan to gut higher education in this country. So they took $400 million away from Columbia University. They're doing the same at Harvard.
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I saw that they're taking $800 million in USAID grants from Johns Hopkins, which is the biggest employer for Baltimore writ large. And they're not, there's no accusation of an anti-Semitism problem at Johns Hopkins. You know, they just don't want people to be able to continue with their research grants.
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And, you know, they say, oh, we have to maintain that we're going to be competitive with China and the rest of the world. Well, why don't you just take away our innovation, which is happening in all of these labs that have NIH funding. And it's, as someone who
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believes in higher education, was part of a quote-unquote elite institution for my PhD work, taught there, loves the ivory tower even though I accept that there are problems with it, this is gut-wrenching. And I worry about about the fact that the people that we're seeing going to the mats for are folks like Mahmoud Khalil.
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And I know that the point of the First Amendment is that it's not about the speech that you like, it's about the speech that makes your blood boil. And that is exactly the kind of speech that this man engaged in. But I really wish that the administration would go out there and find the law that he violated,
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And he said, this is the hill that I am willing to die on. You can't disrupt other people's lives. because of your children. So who's right, who's wrong, who's moving out, who gets to keep the house?
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the law that's on the books for that, or even the Columbia University laws that he definitely violated. Because what went on last year at Hamilton Hall and that Jews were prevented from going to the library, to their classes, to their Chabad's, that seems like grounds for him to have been kicked out of school. So we have to retrace our steps.
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And all of this is making Marco Rubio, who gave a pretty impassioned defense of what the administration was doing, seem pretty sane. Like, this is the hill that you want to die on for this guy who sympathizes with a terrorist organization that is at this moment holding Americans hostage. This isn't some group that has no relevance to our lives right now.
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There are Americans sitting in tunnels in Gaza. God knows what has happened to them over the last, what is it, 450 days now at this point. And we have to be on the side of this guy. Now, we have, I guess, good company. Ann Coulter is with us now. Eli Lake, someone who really hates Mahmoud Khalil.
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came out and said as well, you need some law that the guy broke in order to take away a green card, which is basically sacrosanct, on top of the fact that he's married to an American who's eight months pregnant, which creates a lot of sympathy for the situation. But I was taken, there was, it was just a White House official.
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There was no name attached to it, but there was reporting in the Free Press last week where this official told the Free Press reporter, essentially, we don't need to say that any law was broken. We're just going for aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. And the American public gets that. And
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I think when push comes to shove and when you look at those immigration numbers, that's the only area in which Trump is above water. I think it's a 55 percent approval in the new NBC poll that I think that they're going to win this one. And he is not going to be a sympathetic figure for many people kind of in the moderate middle of this who are looking for
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Examples of people who they don't think hold beliefs that run counter to the American project, who are not siding with violent terrorists that are holding us captive at this particular moment and think that October 7th was a day of love, right? And that there was nothing wrong with this.
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And, you know, their anti-Zionism certainly steps over the line into anti-Semitism, which is what was going on in these campuses and continues to go on on a number of them.
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with these spineless leaderships who sat in front of Congress and basically said, we're not going to do anything when we know if this hadn't been about Jews and it had been about Black kids, trans kids, gay kids, they would have been shut down in minutes. There is no chance that they would have been able to go forward. And so it's complicated, of course, and I'm torn about it.
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But I'm looking at this as the precursor for what they're going to continue to do. You know, they reportedly held a green card holder at Logan Airport. Did you see this story? A German who's been here on a green card since 07-08, married to an American. He's an engineer. According to his mother, they detained him, put him in an ice-cold shower.
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There's no evidence that this guy is sympathetic to anything that runs counter to the United States. And no one is safe. They should really just change this to, we only want natural born citizens plus Elon Musk. And if you have a green card, That doesn't mean anything to us. And we're going to completely rewrite the way we do immigration law in this country. Asylum, get over it. It's done.
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No, they're not. Those are... They're lovely and their kids... aren't addicted to screens. They don't yell out for Moana in their sleep.
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It means nothing. There are no legitimate asylum claims. And Tom Holman is the king.
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I'm totally with you. I'm noticing the higher education trend myself that parents are saying, oh, we're going to look at University of South Carolina. We're going to look at Clemson.
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People love Vanderbilt, UNC Chapel Hill.
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That feels right to me. Not just on this point, but the way that academia and higher education has been going, it's exclusionary. It's not... providing what it purports to. People think it's the golden ticket, right? That you got to the Wonka factory and your life is going to be set. But guess what? The only thing that makes your life set is hustle and reading and preparing.
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And you're seeing that more and more in these high positions, everywhere from investment banks, law firms, down to, of course, like the tech and the startup world, where it's just how hard you're going to work, how good are your ideas, and how intense is your grind. And by the time my kids are going to college, you know, I went to private school here in New York City.
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I went and talked to who's now the head of the school, prestigious, progressive institution. He was like, it's not even necessarily going to be a requirement by the time your kids are going to college. that you have to be thinking about this because I said I have two little Jewish babies. What am I going to do? I'm not going to send them off to Harvard or Columbia under these conditions.
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Even if there aren't protests in the streets, the academics have shown themselves to not be interested in treating Jews equally to the other kids that are there. And he said, Jess, don't worry. It's going to be a completely different
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different game by the time your kids are going and you're going to see it even on the tour that you're organizing for your son schools that you wouldn't have even thought of that you were going to go and consider he's going to be dying to get into say like this is the right place for me both academically and socially um so maybe that will be a silver lining in all of this but these huge endowments harvard with what is it 50 billion dollars are sitting on yeah
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They should start paying for all these kids to come for free. Now is the time. If the government's going to take away your funding, you say, you know what, we're going to go it alone. Get rid of all the anti-Semitic professors.
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Get rid of the kids that are ruining the quality of life for other students, clearly violating your policies, and put that money back into the system so that the smart kids that are going to be the leaders of tomorrow can come there without landing themselves in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. for the rest of their lives and make this a bit more of an equal playing field.
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It was good, and I guess I'm wrong, so there we go.
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Well, I think that Oval Office debacle actually did something. It moved public opinion in how Trump is handling this. So that week of calling Zelensky a dictator, saying he only had a 4% approval, and then that back and forth in the Oval, you know, first with J.D. Vance and then with Trump, obviously has people soured a bit on this approach.
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And, you know, with Russia saying that we're making progress, that's BS to me. I don't trust them as far as I could throw them, which would be zero feet anyway. And there is no evidence that they have... compromised any of their positions. They're still at the maximalist position in all of this. And so all of the compromising is going to have to come on the part of Ukraine.
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Now, Zelensky has been signaling for months now that he is willing to make some concessions. He even said when he was speaking in Kiev a few weeks ago, I'll resign right now if it means that we can put a stop to this and that we're going to have the security guarantees that we need. So I basically just don't believe it.
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I think that Zelensky continues to be between a rock and a hard place, having to negotiate with two forces that just want this over with. Putin, and he wants to get whatever he wants, and us, that wants this mineral rights deal, which is going to go through, and... If there's a tentative ceasefire, they're going to break it. You know, Putin and Medvedev come out and say, we're making progress.
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And that night, there are 27 drones launched into Ukraine. So spare me, basically, is where I am.
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Thank you.
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He also grew up hypersensitive to this, apparently. So I and I get it. My dad used to just pick us up and take us out of restaurants and say, like, Judy, my mom, you know, get the check. We'll be outside. And that's the end of it, which I would have understand. I mean, this wasn't, you know, like a high end restaurant. We were in the public space at Whole Foods. But I take the point.
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I just want to add quickly to that, that while I share those sentiments and as someone who spent a lot of time living in a former EU country, but I have a deep affection for the European project and I think it's incredible. that you could design something with the free flow of humans and goods and that we're all the better for culture sharing and economic sharing, etc.
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But all of these silver linings or all of these good things that are happening are happening for somebody else besides us. And that feels terrible. I don't ever want to be rooting against... my own country. I don't want to be rooting against my own government.
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And in every single conversation that we've had today, that has had to be a stipulation in this, that I don't want to be seen to be on the side of Venezuelan gang members. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of violent anti-Semites. I don't want to be seen to be on the side of the U.S. not having the important and
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central role that we should be playing in geopolitics in favor of a stronger eu or a chance for ukraine to be able to survive as a sovereign nation it's i think i said it used the same word at the start of the podcast i just feel despondent about all of this and it makes me feel a bit like a shitty american too and i love america I think it's the most fantastic country on the planet.
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Anyway, we ended up in a good place. And I appreciate your sexism when it's going in a feminist direction that you should try to always hang in that direction. But anyway, that was basically my weekend.
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And there's just so much that has made me feel sour about the way that we're behaving and what the future looks like for all of us here.
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Me too.
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I love it. He's listening. So there you go, honey. Love you. See you at Huddle.
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Three and not even one. Have we met?
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Okay, that's a Mexico hangover joke. Okay. Yeah.
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I don't know if it counts as a meme. I don't know what the definition of a meme is. But anyway, something that was passed around on social media about how parents spend their days just praying for the kids to go to sleep. And then we just lay in bed looking at cute pictures of them all night until we fall asleep.
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Yeah, it's very sweet and very accurate.
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I would love it if Daniel Patrick Moynihan could come and chill with us.
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Rough patch.
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I'm so excited. I grew up in the city here, and the 92nd Street Y has always held some of the most interesting and exciting programming and where everyone wants to go to be able, if they have a book coming out or for serious conversations on what's going on, future of the country, and was totally floored when they sent the email. I remember... I didn't know. It was like when a boy...
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that you like texts you and you think like, how long should I wait to reply? When we got that email, I was like, is four seconds too long to wait with the unequivocal, yes, I will do anything to do this. It's a little daunting for me because we did a live show right after we launched with like 100 people. This is many more people than that, but you say it's going to be fine.
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So I'm just leaning in to your experience, but it feels very special and exciting. And I hope if whoever's listening, if you guys are in the New York area, that you'll get tickets and come see us live at the 92nd Street Y. Yeah, just as a moment of excitement, let me just relate that or make it relatable to the 98% of us that weren't really attractive in high school.
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I'm very upset, like most Democrats are. And that's not because I don't think that we ended up in the correct place, because the calculation was, what's scarier? The government being open and them operating the way that we know, which is very bad, but we have an insight into it, versus the government is shut down and then they get to make the decisions on absolutely everything.
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And it doesn't become Donald Trump's government. It doesn't become Elon Musk's government. It becomes Russ Vogt's government. The guy who's running OMB. The guy, the Project 2025 guy. The guy who... is the most dedicated to destroying the federal government, I think, of anyone in this administration. And he would decide who's essential and who's not. He could close entire bureaucracies.
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And Democrats were worried about, well, how are we even going to get these open again? What is the path forward? So I understand the conundrum, and I think ultimately probably Schumer was right that The devil you know is better. But the way he went about this was totally feckless, totally spineless. He screwed over his caucus.
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I mean, just 24 hours before he said that he was voting for the continuing resolution, he said they don't have the votes. And then all of these moderates, all of these Democrats that are in swing districts up for re-election, like John Ossoff in Georgia, for instance— came out against the continuing resolution, thinking that this was a unified front like it was in the House.
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There was only one Democrat in the House, Jared Golden from Maine, who voted for it. Hakeem Jeffries had the caucus absolutely in line in this. And I think it's ultimately— and we're almost broken records about this— there's such a tremendous messaging problem about this continuing resolution. If you went out and asked people on the street— what the continuing resolution is.
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Obviously, most people would say, I don't even know what you're talking about. But the people who did know would likely tell you that this was a clean continuing resolution and that it was just an extension of the Biden-Harris spending plan. That is absolutely not true. It's chock full of cuts that we don't want, things, you know, to veterans, Social Security benefits.
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It's giving them more and more authority. You know, we know that the executive is after having full control of everything. They don't care about oversight. They don't care about congressionally appropriated money, etc. But that's the going narrative on this. I'm seeing it on social media from smart people, actually, who usually are paying attention.
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They're like, well, this is a clean CR, and we'll deal with it in September when it's up, when they're going to try to jam through their trillions of dollars in tax cuts and take away nearly $900 billion in Medicaid funding. But The way that the Democrats played this or Schumer played this, it was like it was a surprise to them.
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We have known for months that March 14th was the drop-dead date on this, that that's when this vote was going to happen. And it's like they woke up four days before and were like, oh, holy shit, something's happening. The House is on fire. How did you not spend months recasting the continuing resolution as, you know, something like, the Doge Act, right? Or I don't know, give it some fancy name.
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You're the branding guy. Maybe you can come up with something better. But how did you waste that opportunity? And then how did you not also have your own continuing resolution to put forward to say, okay, let's work together on this. Spending the government should be bipartisan, which is one of the lines from one of Schumer's speeches, maybe when he was wearing the really bad suit.
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And you say, all right, if you guys are going to maintain this as a clean CR, let's show you what an actual clean CR is and force them, force them to accept some amendments that keep the government, you know, reflective of at least how it has been, even though that's not ideal. And so we missed on absolutely every opportunity. The voters are incensed to a crazy level. The Democratic
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approval is the lowest it's been in 30 years of polling, 29% or something. And 65% of self-identified Democrats now want... our elected officials to stick to their positions, even if this means not getting things done in Washington. That's a complete reversal of what we saw coming into this, where people were saying, you know, pick and choose your spots, work with them where it makes sense.
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Now they're saying this is war.
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Like, obviously, you know, Mitch McConnell and the kind of more traditional set have been, you know, screaming from the rooftops at a low pitch. He doesn't scream publicly. It's not so loud anymore at 83, but have been trying to talk about the importance of keeping together the democratic world order and that you need to support countries that share our values.
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And it feels like that has just fallen on completely deaf ears and that people have moved to this world where it's what about me first and can't see the second order effects anymore. if we end up abandoning Ukraine. So do you think there's anything we could have done or this storm, which is taking over the world, right? Was there any way to stop this?
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow.
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Tim, this is the banter section. How are you?
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It's just such a big failure when you think about how core Biden made it to his reason for being. Right. I mean, part of it was I have to get you all through COVID and I can be America's grandpa and I'm the most empathetic man you ever met.
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But it was also like this return to normalcy and, you know, people's lived experience was just so not commensurate with the world that he was talking about that they were just like... F you. Right. I'm out.
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I would even say that the quality of the messaging wouldn't have mattered as much if it was happening as more frequently, that people actually just want to physically see you. And then their minds run wild. And obviously there are people who are feeding this that are like, oh, he's not here because he's dead, but he'll be awake at two o'clock and then he's going to die again.
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We will see what the people think. I think they'll be excited to see you. They were super excited when you joined us, but we were together, all three of us.
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Yes, be everywhere all the time, even if they don't like you and their feed. I have this conversation constantly with people. I'm like, oh, but the engagement is so mean. And they're like, but it's engagement. That's what Trump understands. Like, all the hate comments, they're still thinking about you. You're still living, what did they say, like, rent-free in your head?
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I want to talk to you about the AP, but just really quickly, did you—I shouldn't say, did you make anything, because it obviously is a big deal—about the State Department taking down the statement that they—that we do not support Taiwanese independence? And, like, that feels— Like, it's flying in the face of the way that we're moving with Russia, because obviously that's China's red line.
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That feels like signature Rubio to me, who's such a big China hawk. Do you think anything's going to come of this?
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Democratic snoozing.
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All right. So we've got a rogue Rubio moment.
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He benefits from us being.
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I mean, this is heavy for the banter section. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I'm good with it.
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Yeah. Like, let them put whatever they want on their silly website about cooperation with Taiwan. Okay. Moving on to something else sad. I want to talk about the AP getting banned. So they were kicked out of the press briefings, and then they weren't allowed... A photographer and a reporter weren't allowed on the presidential plane. And there was a big...
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It feels so lame to say there was a big explainer because it wasn't even like a real piece of journalism. But I got a nifty newsletter from Axios talking about the kind of history of this administration's objections to the AP. And basically, they're mad that the AP style book has used terms that they hate too liberally, like gender, DEI, inclusivity, etc.,
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It's difficult times. No, I don't want to talk about... I mean, if you want to talk about Mardi Gras and hiding in your house, we could do that. Do you really think that they're snoozing or we're not paying attention?
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I'm old enough to remember when the other news stations stood with Fox News when the Obama administration wasn't going to let them in to do a pool briefing with a representative from the administration and basically ABC, NBC, CBS. They all said, if Fox can't do it, then we're not doing it. And then they let them in begrudgingly. But it doesn't feel like that moment is happening at all.
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Like, everyone is bemoaning the fact that the AP is being excluded, but no one is doing anything about it. It's like a pretty obvious, we, A, don't know what the First Amendment means, and B, we don't care. And we're running this like the Wild West.
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No, they definitely just want to get in as many kind of gloating laps early on. I think that they know that it just gets more and more complicated. And certainly as we head into special elections and the midterms and things like that, which hopefully Democrats will perform better than we did.
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I think they can look to past administrations and say, okay, you know, your first two years are when you can actually get things done, right? They have control of everything. They're definitely trying it on. Right, to the largest extent possible. You know, let's ram through $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. Like, let's try to cut all of these entitlement programs.
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Now, they realize that they're not going to get their wish list of all of it, but they are at a moment where they're owning the culture. And so I feel like they're just taking advantage and saying, okay, well, if we have ingratiated ourselves to a segment of the American population that wouldn't have given us their time at all four, eight years ago, let's really go for it.
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And you can tell that also in the attitude that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, has about everything. I mean, she's so haughty and arrogant in the way that she delivers everything, which, listen, I wish that I had more of that in me. I wish I didn't have such a terrible case of imposter syndromes. But, like, to be 27 years old and to walk up there with that, you know... It's a fact.
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It's the Gulf of America. Right.
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Right. Or, like... Every man in Gaza is wearing a condom that we paid for. Well, actually, no. No, that's not true. In Mozambique, there are some condoms that got sent. You know, and it's the Trump bravado that if you say it a certain way, there's at least a good amount of people that are going to believe you. And I think that they're living for the moment, right?
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It's like a YOLO administration at this point. And until there are real consequences, I think they're going to go for it with everything. I mean, the APA is calling Mount Denali Mount McKinley right now. I mean, they're doing half of the crazy thing.
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Well, there are owning infrequent voters that are 18 to 40, right? And those are real culture vultures. Those are people that are listening to podcasts. Those are people who are concerned about all of the dyes in our food. Those are people who are picking schools for their kids to go to and are disenchanted with the public school system. And
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wanting to get away from feeling like they have to use gender pronouns on their email signatures. I mean, these are real things that folks are thinking about. And so I don't know if owning the culture is the right way to put it, because I still don't think that Kid Rock is cooler than Jay-Z. That will just never happen.
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I can't. I can't fight the 40, and I'm 41 in a couple of weeks. No, but Kid Rock was on Bill Maher on Friday night, and I found the interview really interesting. I mean, it was, first of all, I had forgotten, I guess, that he played Obama's inauguration in 08. And he was like, it's not as if I liked Obama then. You just show up and you do this. But he was essentially mocking us for...
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like liberal leaning people and you new to this side of the fence, but for freaking out about everything all the time. And I do think that they are owning the culture by making it clear that majority of people feel like it's just not that serious. And part of that is a mistake on Democrats' part by not making it feel like it's that serious in practical ways.
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Not like the sky is actually going to fall, but like this is the way that your checkbook is going to be affected. This is the way your kid is going to be affected. But like people are walking around just saying, I don't think politics is that serious. And the Republican side seems like that right now.
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I think resonant yelling is the trick for that one because I have seen some yelling and I have hated it.
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Singing, yelling.
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Welcome back. Mayor Eric Adams just got a legal lifeline, but it came from the most controversial figure in New York politics, Donald Trump. The Trump administration's Justice Department dropped Adams' corruption case, but in a city where Trump remains deeply unpopular, that reprieve could be more of a political liability than a win.
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Now Adams is facing accusations of being in Trump's pocket, especially after appearing alongside Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, and making moves that align with the president's immigration policies. Meanwhile, the case's dismissal has sparked a crisis inside Trump's DOJ, a mass resignation of prosecutors, including one who accused DOJ leaders of looking for a, quote, fool to take the fall.
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Have you been following that? Probably not as closely as me.
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Yeah, we're getting lapped by the YMCA. So you got to think about that.
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That's Federalist Society for maybe raging moderates audiences are not as in it as the bulwark who are like fed sock.
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Well, you don't even want it back, right?
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Yeah, I was into it. I had... I've been feeling starved, I guess, for some old school intellectual resistance, I guess, not people out there with a sign, you know, like, hands off my whatever. I'm okay with those signs, too.
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Yeah, I like them, but they're not getting us really anywhere at this point. But it feels like... what they're doing is because it's a harbinger of bad things to come. So the Adams case itself, or at least what we know about it, you would expect more, I guess, in the indictment. He definitely broke the law, and I thought that Sassoon's letter was, you know, very specific about that.
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And that does matter to people that are career prosecutors who take the law very seriously. But to me, I felt a little bit of a, if you think that we're just going to roll over for all of this from...
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like, the lighter fare of this, which obviously has very real implications for New York City politics and national politics even, but that they're scared of what this administration is going to be asking them to do. Like, Pam Bondi will see us all as... folks that are ready to just line up and rubber stamp whatever is to come.
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And they can't help the fact, even though Bondi was one of the lesser controversial nominees, which just speaks to how crazy the set of nominees were. But, you know, Pam Bondi was all in on the 2020 election, was rigged out there front and center on that. And to me, it felt like a little bit...
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Of a cry for help or at least a signal of we can't be there for whatever they are going to try because they've spent so much time bemoaning, quote unquote, lawfare. And it is very clear that they are looking to weaponize everything back for their own benefit.
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He took away the notes.
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Yeah, though you do need good people to stay. I said a couple of weeks ago that it's going to require thousands of Mike Pence's to make it through whatever is to come over the course of the next four years. So I agree with you. And I think it also matters that this is happening so early on. I can't believe we're only in the beginning of the fourth week of this.
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but we are going to need people who are interested in the rule of law in a traditional sense, not in the rule of law just because I said so in Napoleonic-slash-Trump terms to reference his weekend tweeting, which did not feel like him at all. I don't know. That felt more Musk.
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It's accredited.
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Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Or Stephen Miller, like, someone got control of the phone for a second. I don't want to belabor that Adam stuff that much, but part of the deal...
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that I guess he's made, which he claims he hasn't made a deal with the administration, but it's quite obvious since he had to sit on the Fox & Friends couch and be humiliated by Tom Homan a couple days ago, but is that they'll be easing or he's going to try to ease sanctuary city laws as it applies to Rikers.
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And the way that sanctuary city policy works in New York is that ICE can't be near the prisons. And the reason that that's the case is It's not necessarily that we don't want criminals to be deported, but it's because they could pick up people who haven't actually been convicted yet, people who have just been charged and not gone through their due process, which they're entitled to.
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No, probably not.
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Do you have any views, kind of thinking about... the macro issue that I think liberals are finding themselves in is having been way too lax about illegal migration and even too lax on people who are here illegally and then committing violent crimes on how we should be approaching sanctuary policy.
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It's a pretty good upgrade.
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Did you watch any of the SNL 50 stuff?
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Yeah. It's definitely the way that a lot of Democrats feel. You already referenced John Fetterman. You'd be like, why are you wasting my time with this? Right? This is... You're in a privileged position that you got to be here illegally in the first place. And you can just see the...
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next iteration of the Charlemagne ad about giving transgender surgeries for undocumented people in prison being written about something like this. It doesn't change the fact that the city council has to be the ones to revise sanctuary city laws. But I tend to agree with you that kicking up a massive fuss about it probably just allows Trump and co.
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to continue to say that we're so out of step with where culture is.
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Yeah, that leads me to something I've been thinking about in general, about where Democrats... show up and stand up and amplifying stories like that on a local level versus in D.C. I mean, D.C., unless, you know, unless you represent Virginia or Maryland, like, I don't think any of this should be going on in D.C. I think you need to be back with your people and talking about stories like that.
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There was another one in Milwaukee, which I talked about on The Five, and rarely do my colleagues just shut up, but they were like, oh, my God, that happened, where they took in a toddler, a mom, and a grandmother. for speaking Spanish. And someone had to come with birth certificates—they were Puerto Rican—to get them out of the detention center.
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And the idea of a two-year-old in a detention center for allegedly, you know, where we're going to be holding people that have committed violent crimes and were here illegally when they're Americans and did nothing but speak another language, seem to hit the audience hard. Yeah.
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Prison rape is always a highlight. I said multiple times to my husband that I can't believe this show is happening. Like, if it weren't the SNL 50, there's no way these jokes would have made it in, but I'm pretty sure everybody showed up and they were like, we are not playing by 2025 standards. We're playing by whatever year we were actually on the show. And...
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I obviously agree with you. And it's always great when I see others... showing up, not even necessarily to get the clickbait that worked in 2016, you know, how everything was just about owning the other side and there were those huge fights. Now it's like showing up and being reasonable makes even more of a difference because people's partisan lines have been... completely scrambled, right?
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You can't predict it anymore in the same way. And so if you show up like Jared Moskowitz did and you sound reasonable about immigration, you know, he was one of the first ones to say, let me in the Doge caucus, for instance, but then you hold the line about stuff that really matters and it gets amplified like that because he was on, you know, on primetime. They love it.
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They're going to get the clip out into their ether. We'll get their clip out into our ether. And suddenly, you know, Jared Moskowitz is president.
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or even people with that interview in particular, who are big Lex Friedman people, but thought like he went too far in pushing him to say that Russia should get to keep territory that they obviously illegally took. I thought that was, even if it was just for that soundbite, that it was worth the three hours of Zelensky's time to do it.
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I want to get to kind of the future of the anti-Trump Republican faction, but quickly, are you pro-Cuomo, anti-Cuomo? Because he, did you see the ad he released?
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the Valentine's Day ad where he's with all of these older women, mostly women of color, talking about how tough it is right now for New Yorkers, that we can always find a way forward, and that the opposite of hate, the four-letter word that matters most is love. I think it was the phraseology.
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A lot of it was hilarious, but I was overwhelmed by Cher. I don't know if you saw these shots of Kevin Costner losing his mind and Billy Crystal watching this 78-year-old woman look like a 30-year-old woman belting out If I Could Turn Back Time, which I think the gays still have possession of. We still have If I Could Turn Back Time.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. But the amount of normie Democrats that I know who don't like Cuomo for a whole host of reasons, whether it's, you know, the sexual harassment charges or even the management charges.
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Of COVID and lost people in nursing homes and just really wanted an apology for him that he couldn't get out there, just couldn't muster the strength to say I would have done things a little bit differently, which I think would have gone a tremendously long way. They're like, I could use a competent gangster right now. Like the city is in chaos.
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shitty trouble at this point i hate being on the subway and he feels like when you look at adams on the other side of this and you think i'm not going to go for someone as progressive as like scott stringer that he might be the answer um woof all right uh one more break it's just depressing it is a little depressing um but one more quick break stay with us
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Welcome back. Before we wrap, and we've already been touching on this a little bit, but I want to get into it more deeply with you. There aren't that many Republicans openly pushing back against Trump's agenda these days. Mitch McConnell, for instance, was the lone Republican to vote against confirming Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
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And Tim, you pointed out on the bulwark that even the Wall Street Journal's editorial board, usually pretty Trump-friendly, finally took a shot at his economic policies today. What do you think is the future for the anti-Trump Republicans in a party that seems like they've given up a bit besides an editorial or two?
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To the internet. And now to the show. And I'm keeping us on time, which is not Scott's strong suit.
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I think you did great. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So in today's episode of Raging Moderates, we are discussing Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine, Trump's lifeline to Eric Adams, and the state of anti-Trump Republicans, your specialty. All right, let's get into it. Big moves on the world stage last week.
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Do you have any idea about what happened during these confirmations to people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Todd Young in Indiana, or I should say from Indiana, who was really anti-Tulsi, for instance? I mean, is it straight like doxing, threatening you with a primary? Like Bill Cassidy already voted to convict him. So I don't—this idea that—
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He promised Cassidy to essentially, RFK Jr., to not be who he is, right? And to say, you can be my dad and you can check in on me every day and make sure that I'm not going to do these things when even the CDC site already has information about the flu down. So obviously that's not going to hold up. Like, what level of threatening or trolling was going on to make people like this...
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lay down and vote for every single one of these nominees.
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Trump says he had a highly productive call with Vladimir Putin, claiming that they're now working closely on a Ukraine peace deal. He even floated the idea of a future sit-down with Putin. This all came after Russia released American teacher Mark Fogel, which Trump called a, quote, sign of good faith.
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Feels like a very unsafe place to test it out. It's fine.
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They're not bad to your face. I've always found everyone is like, I feel so terrible that I've been calling you the C word online for three years. And I'm like, well, stop doing that. And I'm so nice. Do you want a picture?
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Meanwhile, Kiev is on edge after a drone strike hit Chernobyl just days after Zelensky asked the U.S. for more aid. And in Europe, leaders are scrambling. An emergency summit is set for Monday. So that's today. So by tomorrow, you may have an update. Amid fears that Trump's outreach to Russia is leaving them isolated, U.K.
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Yeah. unpopular opinion but i don't think that you have to do everything that the voters want like they picked a person who can also think for themselves who broadly represents their interests right and understands their constituency but can think for themselves so if you pick you know one of 15 people that you don't think is unqualified for to kind of lay down your marker in the sand and say
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your children will be vaccinated or we will not have someone who thinks Assad wasn't really that bad, that that might be good for you long term. But I'm also not running for public office.
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Yeah. You're saying that I wasted my dollars on Sarah Gideon?
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No, I have a friend who is a doctor and Loves politics, but isn't in the day-to-day insanity. She'll send me like a New York Times article the day after. And she'll be like, can you believe this? And I'm like, I need to talk to you about how fast the news cycle goes. But she'll regularly send me a link to various Democrats. And she goes, worth my money? I'm like, well, how much money?
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Like, if you want to be spreading $10 all over the place, go ahead for it. But Amy McGrath is never going to be the senator that takes Mitch McConnell's seat. Okay, thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you for joining us, Tim, and the Raging Moderates crew. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinene Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
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Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it a once-in-a-generation security moment. Vice President J.D. Vance warned that Russia could face economic and military pressure if it doesn't negotiate in good faith. But in Munich, he took aim at European leaders instead, claiming their real threat isn't Russia or China.
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You can now find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. That's right, its own feed. There, you'll get exclusive interviews with smart voices in politics like our latest guest, Congressman Pat Ryan. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Also, follow Tim in all of Bulwark World. Thank you for being with us. Well, just me. Scott's not here, but he loves you from afar.
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It's their own policies on free speech and refusal to work with hard-right parties in government. Back at home, not much better. The White House is clashing with the press again, this time banning an AP reporter from the Oval Office for refusing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. The AP is now accusing the administration of violating the First Amendment. Let's talk Ukraine first.
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What do you think the game here is? I mean, you can start with Pete Hegseth's maiden voyage, which did not go well, and he's walking things back within 24 hours. But what do you think Rubio and Trump and Vance want for Ukraine?
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Bigger than the Trump coin. It's interesting.
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I think that that's how... People can manage it. Well, they just say, OK, we know he's a grifter who does things like this, but it's so much bigger than that. And the trade wasn't publicized at all. It took days for anyone to know if we got if we had to trade anything for Mark Fogel.
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Yeah, I think there was something about shooting values and that you can't do that in Pete's answer. I can't really get to calling him Secretary Hickseth yet. I'm still in Pete mode.
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No, not drinking buddies. We have socialized, but no comment. No, I totally agree with you. And one thing that's been sticking out to me is how quickly... everybody has folded from who they were beforehand. Because at least I was holding on to the idea. I know Mike Waltz really well, the national security advisor. We're in a foreign policy group together.
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Marco Rubio has been very clear about his foreign policy views for a long time. And I don't think either of those two would have... ever thought that they would be part of a deal that was going to essentially tell Ukraine, you have no future in NATO and you're never getting back your territory. I mean, even forgetting the pre-2014 lines, even from just a few years ago.
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And maybe that speaks to the awesome power of Trump. Maybe that speaks to the new realignment within the Republican Party. But I don't see anyone in positions of power now that are going to be holding on to traditional American views of foreign policy and our role in the world.
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What do you think is the likelihood that Zelensky gets his way? So he was speaking at the Munich Security Council and he said, we need an armed forces of Europe. This is after J.D. Vance essentially took a flamethrower to our relationship with Europe in his speech. Clearly, Zelensky does not see us as the top partner opportunity for For him going forward.
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Do you think Europe is really going to unify without us?
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Going back to, I guess, we got into ineffective Democrats very early on in the podcast. But I do... Maybe just because I work in communication, I guess, that I always think that there was an opportunity to do better if we had messaged properly about this. And it doesn't feel like we have made the case. This is Democrats and Republicans.