Jessica Tarlov
Appearances
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
What do I do? How was your trip?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, let me put something out there, which is All of that is true as someone who lived in London for a long time and was over there when Brexit was happening. I hope they backs it. I had not heard that term. You know, they had buyer's remorse about 20 minutes after the decision came down. And they were fed a lot of propaganda to make them make that choice. Thank you, Nigel Farage.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
A stronger Europe and a less dependent Europe is to some degree Donald Trump fulfilling one of his promises, which is to get us out of the global order in the way that we have been. And his voters overwhelmingly don't think that we have a responsibility to help Ukraine. He is actually being responsive to his own voters in saying that. And this has been going on for the last year or two.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I think people were really jazzed about the conflict in the beginning where Ukraine was pulling off these incredible defeats and they seemed like they were going to win. And something changed. You know, Russia was not falling apart in the way that they expected. Donald Trump and co. were obviously amplifying that. But it brings up this larger question.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If the people who sent you to Washington feel a certain way about something, is it your duty to then behave in such a way or make decisions that are aligned with that? Or do you go with what's actually the right thing to do in a historical sense?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I did my regular life. I had this crazy moment walking. I had the double stroller. I had both my girls with me. I was walking into the village to get some cookies because all you're looking for with young kids is an activity, right? To get them out of the house. I'm like, let's go get cookies. And this young man I saw, he was kind of checking me out. And I'm like, okay, that's cool.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I just know. You know, I was looking at the data on what Republicans support for— Us continuing to support Ukraine is and only 36 percent say that we should keep doing that. Nearly half say that we're giving too much aid to Ukraine. And a lot of people and not just Republicans have bought into the idea that we need help at home. Right.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We need that money to be spent on us rather than to be spent on a conflict abroad that, frankly, Democrats and Republicans have not effectively contextualized in the life of the average American.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So you could say, yeah, there are tons of people showing up at town halls who have World War II vets in their families, but they're probably outliers from the average person that I, you know, walked across. down the street and passed, right? And says, okay, well, we're going to send another $60 billion or whatever it is. We're going to send long range missiles over there.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're saying, you know, I can't put food on the table here.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, I still got it. And then he goes, hi, mom. And I was like, oh, my God. What is happening now? Has my sexual identity become mom? And then he looks me dead in the eye and he goes, burp me.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I wish... Someone in a position of electoral power had articulated it that way because I don't think that anyone thinks that they have a job or are making more money or that even they are safer at home, which is what they care about, versus lots of people who are abroad. because we've been involved in this conflict. And they thought that it would end in a year, two years.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now we're at the third anniversary of this. And yes, there have been tons of accomplishments in terms of what the Ukrainians have pulled off. But Russia is not going away. Basically, everyone admits that there have to be some sort of concessions, even Zelenskyy. has talked about that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Burp me because I have kids, right? Like burp me. Like you burp kids.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Maybe not, you know, going back to, you know, a few years ago, but we're certainly not getting back to the pre-2014 lines by any stretch of the imagination. And nobody is making that case to an American public that at this moment cares first and foremost about what is happening at home, not just in terms of it being the United States, but in their actual home.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's so creepy. And then now I'm thinking, am I just a mom? Have I become only a vessel in life and no one would want to catcall me about something distinct from my children? But I did have them with me. And also he seems like a total pervert. Anyway, that was the highlight of my weekend.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I feel like I'm old enough to think that there is never a breaking point with Republicans. There are, you know, little spurts of pushback or where you think someone— still has their soul or their moral compass, but then generally they get in line, and I think the confirmation process has really elucidated that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, this is Trump's party, this is Trump's administration, and they will do things Trump's way. So I'm not waiting for any Republican to save us from this. It does seem like the American public, though, may be the ones to do it, and I've been surprised by how quickly... Trump's image and approval rating has softened or decreased or gotten shittier in people's eyes.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
There are a few polls that show that his approval hasn't sunk. I should note that. But in general, the trend line is going in the negative direction. And these are all high quality polls like Gallup, Quinnipiac, Reuters, CNN. Ipsos, CNN.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The thing that I think is most important in all of this, and it comes from a Gallup poll, is that only 20% think that the economy is excellent or good and 59% think that the economy is getting worse. So people wanted a pocketbook reversal in making their choice. in electing Donald Trump on November 5th. They don't feel like they are getting it from him.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And you're seeing that reflected in the market and people are well aware. I think tariffs are the second most least popular thing that he's done. Number one was partnering all the January Sixers. And folks know what the tariffs are going to do to the American economy. I also saw that the Democrats are now up double digits on the generic ballot. Think how quickly
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
that change, that we just lost an election and we have, the Republicans only have a slim majority in the House, but still, they won, right? They're in control, all three, right? They have the White House, Senate, and House, and now Democrats are up double digits on a generic ballot.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I agree with you. And I would add to it that there have been several analyses of what Doge has actually cut, including from the conservative Wall Street Journal. So while Musk is out there saying we found $55 billion in cuts, they say it's $2.6 billion, actually. And over a multi-year period, only 2% are related to quote-unquote DEI efforts.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And the rest of it is just stuff that, like, maybe he doesn't want to do, like, you know, develop a drug to help cure Alzheimer's, for instance. But they're doing this thing where – because they're controlling the conversation on social media that they're shitposting at such a rapid rate that you can't figure out what's true and what's not true.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're essentially telling people that contracts or bits of information about how the federal government are doing things – that they've unearthed it when it's all publicly available information. But guess what?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
To your point, you need subject matter experts, people who actually deal in this data all the time, to comb through it and to tell you, no, actually, this is publicly available on X site, right? Or you go here, and that's where you would know about that contract, for instance. And so the flooding the zone has been wildly effective, I think, in terms of controlling the discourse.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But they have not been able to control the American people when it comes to this because the people, two to one ratio, don't approve of Musk's outsized role in the government or what Doge is doing. And in these town halls, which you cited, which are happening in Republican districts, everyone who's a swing district Republican down to people in very safe seats, these constituents are showing up.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, it's more interesting than watching Moana, which I also did a number of times this weekend. So you live for very little. You remember the baby phase.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they're not only talking about Doge to the brass tacks stuff that you're discussing. They are losing their minds over this $880 billion cut to Medicaid. they didn't think that this was going to have practical implications for them. Because guess what? It's not popular to sit around and say, oh, I love the federal government so much, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And don't touch a single, you know, hair on the head of anyone who works at USAID. I mean, that's something that feels so foreign and detached from the average American's daily life. But what isn't detached from it is Medicaid, Head Start, the 9-11 Health Initiative. I mean, 9-11 was one of the more unifying moments in American history, right?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
No matter where you lived in this country, no matter how you voted, you were horrified. that we had a terrorist attack on American soil, that we lost 3,500 American lives and millions since then in terms of the repercussions with the air quality and the cancers that people developed from that. My dad died of a 9-11 cancer.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You know, we're part of that 9-11 health initiative world because of the implications. And when they go after something like that, when you live in rural Iowa, you say... Excuse me. How is it possible that that's on the chopping block? And Jon Stewart has always been such an effective messenger on this subject. He'll show up in Congress to say you're going after absolutely the wrong things.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I can't. I'm the mom.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
You have something that has what a 90 percent approval rating. Let's say the folks that went down there and cleaned up after that terrorist attack. or who have worked in the support system, the family members of the heroes that died that day, and that's who you want to be coming out after?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Like, we heard all of these fantasies about $50 million for condoms for people in Gaza, or, you know, supporting the arts for transgender people in Liberia, or whatever lies they were telling us. And they're just not being borne out by the data. And people are getting that message. And Democrats really have to stick to the script on this. There is a budget that will be being brought to the floor.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It's going through the Rules Committee today. So when this is released tomorrow, Tuesday, it's supposed to be coming there and Republicans are going to have to vote on it. And it has an $880 billion cut to Medicaid in it. And there are conservative lawmakers that are begging leadership to to take it out.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Josh Hawley, someone who I really have, I don't think ever had anything nice to say about, wants to add an amendment to it on the Senate side to make sure that these cuts can't go through because they understand it'll decimate the lives of their constituents. So there is plenty in here to be going after.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But I think it is important to say time and time again that what Elon Musk is telling you they are doing, they are not. He is saying $55 billion. It is at most $2.6 billion.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I want to talk about the rebate checks for a second, though, because this has over the last few years actually been a really important point in terms of our electoral outcomes, because we did checks at the beginning of covid because of the CARES Act, which Republicans opposed. Donald Trump opposed, but it was passed and it went through while Trump was still president.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And he signed those checks himself. Right. It's a Donald J. Trump. gave you money. And then we did a couple more rounds of checks during the Biden administration. But of course, you know, Joe Biden didn't want to put his name on those checks. So they had a career treasury official's name on it. And when people went and voted, they didn't know that Joe Biden ever gave them money. Right.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It was that Donald Trump gave me money and then I had a really crappy four years and now Donald Trump is going to come back. And these rebate checks, which if you look at the money, it obviously doesn't add up because those savings are a fantasy in all of this. But if people receive a $5,000 check that says Donald J. Trump on it, that will be meaningful. And we need to be very careful around this.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Now, I don't know if that's going to go through. That seems like a muskism versus something that might actually happen on Twitter. on the federal level. But I'm concerned about that because those are the types of tangibles that people remember when they go and vote.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And they will also provide further smoke to this smokescreen that's going on and what's actually happening in the federal government versus the reality on the ground.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
The obvious one is the reshaping of the courts. Biden did really well and had an almost breakneck pace in terms of judicial confirmations. It doesn't compare to the damage that McConnell has done with the Supreme Court being revoked. you know, the cherry on top of all of this and his ruthlessness and refusing to give Merrick Garland a hearing will be remembered throughout history.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
That was the beginning of this. But he slowed down judicial confirmations during the Obama era to a trickle at best and took advantage of Harry Reid blowing up the filibuster in 2013. And we ended up in this position where, you know, the courts are stacked against us, I say us as Democrats or left-leaning people, for generations to come. And so I think that's probably the biggest one.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Well, I feel like first we should talk about what's going on. And you were away last week, so I'm sure you have a lot of pent-up thoughts about what seems like—
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think there's an image that folks saw last week, which will also... Stick with us. And this doesn't just apply to McConnell, but this crop of 80-something legislators, 70-something legislators. You know, it's McConnell and Jim Justice, who's the new senator from West Virginia, was the governor. And they're both in wheelchairs and they're passing each other and they're high-fiving.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And it just—I understand, you know, people have accidents and McConnell had fallen. Justice has had trouble walking for a very long time. But you just—you look at this and you— you think we have to be able to do better, not in an ageist way.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I hate to think of myself as someone who is ageist, but it doesn't feel right that the folks that have these rarefied jobs, there are only a hundred of them, right? In a country of 330 million, that we have people who are that old, who are refusing at that level to pass the torch. And yes, I know McConnell is retiring, But it's a problem across the board that we've really got to address.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
As usual, super mellow about it. But, you know, the capitulation, the complete betrayal of Ukraine, it makes me feel as though every negative thing That we have thought over the last several years about Trump vis-a-vis Russia, you know, from anything. And I'm not going to say he is a Russian asset, but obviously we started in that place from 2016.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I totally agree. I love how he was even embracing— of the kind of pop culture characterizations of him, like Cocaine Mitch or the Grim Reaper. You know, he leaned into all of that, or at least a staffer did for him, and embraced that role. We need to be more cutthroat in the way that we do politics. But he also is very much representative of the type of Washington person
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
that led us to having Donald Trump. And there, you know, people will spend generations talking about, you know, how did we end up with Trump? And they'll talk about what went on in the Obama era and this, you know, latent racism that spilled out, right? And then people started voting for Trump, et cetera.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But people like Mitch McConnell, who are Washington creatures, who have been there forever, who folks didn't feel like they were responsive to Trump, friends in American society, to how they were feeling about their lives, to how they were feeling about foreign entanglements. He was a poster child for that. And we would not have had Trump without there being so many Mitch McConnells there.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Then you have Helsinki in 2018 where he stood up there and sided with Putin over the intelligence agencies. who had all told us that Putin meddled in the election and had wanted Trump to win, that it's all kind of coming to fruition. And Boris Johnson, the former prime minister of the U.K., who's a staunch ally of Ukraine, a friend of Zelensky, has been a number of times
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And I think The image of him not voting to convict Donald Trump in the second impeachment, even though he said that he was guilty of it, right, and saying this is something that we'll leave to the courts, will certainly stick with us, but also flies in the face of this notion that there were anybody on the right that stood up to Trump.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Because I think that they like to say that, that these are the guys with the backbone. Maybe Mitt Romney is the exception to that, and I should shout him out for that. But Mitch McConnell is such a central piece in the complete takeover of the Republican Party by Donald Trump. And I think that's an important element of his legacy.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
He voted for Patel, actually.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
He voted against Tulsi.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I like it. Were you brewing that one for the whole hour of us chatting?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
That's all you crave in your 40s.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And he tried to soften this a bit, I guess, on X. And he posted, you know, obviously, Zelensky is not a dictator. Obviously, they didn't provoke this. This is all Russia's fault, etc. But he said that he thought that Trump was trying to shock Europe into unfreezing the 300 billion that they have in Russian assets and to use that to support Ukraine. Now, that feels...
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
like he's just grasping at straws at this point and that Trump isn't playing 3D chess while we're stuck playing checkers. But it is one of the more depressing moves, I guess, of the first five weeks of the Trump term. I feel very sad. What about you?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
I think the answer is yes. And it's been interesting to watch the number of folks that have gone to work for Trump, especially in the foreign policy world, like the Marco Rubios of the world, Mike Waltz, the folks that we initially were saying, well, at least these are the really good guys, right? We're going to be fine on this front.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But as they're talking and they're supporting Steve Witkoff as well, doing interviews over the weekend, the special envoy, It's like you can see their souls leaving their bodies, right, as they're discussing what the new plan is for the world. And it runs so counter to decades of experience. Some of them have fought for themselves as veterans, right, not just policy wonks sitting in D.C.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
or in their home states talking about what the future should look like. People actually put their lives on the line and are now going against that new world order. And Trump has had a bee in his bonnet about Europe since he arrived on the scene. He stood up there and said, if you're not making your 2% contribution to NATO, you don't deserve to be in this with us.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And people have started paying up, and some people even paying above the 2% for their own defense.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
to look at the totality of the picture because there are decent arguments that are underpinning some of this. It's just when you look at the complete product, you have to wonder if there is a completely nefarious motivation for getting us into this kind of position. And Europe is weaker than it used to be. The economies are stagnant.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
Like you said, if you want to get rich, build a business, et cetera, you do that in America. If you want to spend your money, you go to Europe because you can do apres-ski and you can shop and you can talk to interesting people from all over the world who are there to relax and to have fun. But they're not innovating anywhere close to the way that we are.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
They're not educating anywhere close to the way that we are. And I think that Trump and co. are certainly cognizant of it. But, you know, you listen to the Germans had their elections yesterday. We meddled in their elections outright with Elon Musk and J.D. Vance, you know, pushing forward the far right AFD, which underperformed. So the CDU wins. And I'm listening to the.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We sent our A-team over, and we were like, why don't you hear J.D. Vance out on this? Why don't you hear Elon Musk out on this? But it should be noted, you know, the CDU is the conservative party, and Merz, who's the leader of it, will be the new chancellor, is much to the right of where Merkel was. especially on immigration.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
So this is a trend line that we are seeing across the world, that people are not interested in open borders. They want to hear about a national identity. They want to hear about people doing it the right way. And they want to make sure that you don't have this... cultural hodgepodge that doesn't jibe with the way that they want their society to be. So that is part of this.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But some of the quotes from Merz about the impact of the election and also thinking about the U.S. as partners are leave me almost despondent. You know, we must prepare for the possibility that Donald Trump will no longer uphold NATO's mutual defense commitment unconditionally.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
We also need to talk to the British and the French, the two European nuclear powers, about whether nuclear sharing or at least nuclear security from the UK and France could also apply to us. They are scared and they are not looking to us for help. It's smart of them to be thinking this way. So I'd love to hear what you think about that.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
And I'm Jessica Tarlow.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
But then also, I want to talk a little bit about Zelensky, the man, because he seems like a total hero in all of this. I was listening to his comments from the weekend. He And, you know, this is a guy with a 57% approval rating. We know in wartime people don't have elections. He's not a dictator. I am not saying that Ukraine doesn't have corruption. Of course, there are oligarchs there.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
If there are oligarchs, there is going to be corruption. But the fact that he stood there and he said, I'll step down for peace. If you give us NATO... I'll go. You know, it's not about the personal ego in this. And it does harken back to a World War II time, right, where you saw people rise up and show their character in such a way. And that was very moving for me.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: Trump Ditches Ukraine and Cozies Up to Putin
It was rough. Yeah, I was walking around like a lost puppy all week. Like, who do I talk to?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Like, obviously, you know, Mitch McConnell and the kind of more traditional set have been, you know, screaming from the rooftops at a low pitch. He doesn't scream publicly. It's not so loud anymore at 83, but have been trying to talk about the importance of keeping together the democratic world order and that you need to support countries that share our values.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And it feels like that has just fallen on completely deaf ears and that people have moved to this world where it's what about me first and can't see the second order effects anymore. if we end up abandoning Ukraine. So do you think there's anything we could have done or this storm, which is taking over the world, right? Was there any way to stop this?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Tim, this is the banter section. How are you?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
It's just such a big failure when you think about how core Biden made it to his reason for being. Right. I mean, part of it was I have to get you all through COVID and I can be America's grandpa and I'm the most empathetic man you ever met.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
But it was also like this return to normalcy and, you know, people's lived experience was just so not commensurate with the world that he was talking about that they were just like... F you. Right. I'm out.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
I would even say that the quality of the messaging wouldn't have mattered as much if it was happening as more frequently, that people actually just want to physically see you. And then their minds run wild. And obviously there are people who are feeding this that are like, oh, he's not here because he's dead, but he'll be awake at two o'clock and then he's going to die again.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
We will see what the people think. I think they'll be excited to see you. They were super excited when you joined us, but we were together, all three of us.
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Yes, be everywhere all the time, even if they don't like you and their feed. I have this conversation constantly with people. I'm like, oh, but the engagement is so mean. And they're like, but it's engagement. That's what Trump understands. Like, all the hate comments, they're still thinking about you. You're still living, what did they say, like, rent-free in your head?
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I want to talk to you about the AP, but just really quickly, did you—I shouldn't say, did you make anything, because it obviously is a big deal—about the State Department taking down the statement that they—that we do not support Taiwanese independence? And, like, that feels— Like, it's flying in the face of the way that we're moving with Russia, because obviously that's China's red line.
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That feels like signature Rubio to me, who's such a big China hawk. Do you think anything's going to come of this?
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Democratic snoozing.
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All right. So we've got a rogue Rubio moment.
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He benefits from us being.
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I mean, this is heavy for the banter section. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. I'm good with it.
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Yeah. Like, let them put whatever they want on their silly website about cooperation with Taiwan. Okay. Moving on to something else sad. I want to talk about the AP getting banned. So they were kicked out of the press briefings, and then they weren't allowed... A photographer and a reporter weren't allowed on the presidential plane. And there was a big...
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It feels so lame to say there was a big explainer because it wasn't even like a real piece of journalism. But I got a nifty newsletter from Axios talking about the kind of history of this administration's objections to the AP. And basically, they're mad that the AP style book has used terms that they hate too liberally, like gender, DEI, inclusivity, etc.,
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It's difficult times. No, I don't want to talk about... I mean, if you want to talk about Mardi Gras and hiding in your house, we could do that. Do you really think that they're snoozing or we're not paying attention?
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I'm old enough to remember when the other news stations stood with Fox News when the Obama administration wasn't going to let them in to do a pool briefing with a representative from the administration and basically ABC, NBC, CBS. They all said, if Fox can't do it, then we're not doing it. And then they let them in begrudgingly. But it doesn't feel like that moment is happening at all.
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Like, everyone is bemoaning the fact that the AP is being excluded, but no one is doing anything about it. It's like a pretty obvious, we, A, don't know what the First Amendment means, and B, we don't care. And we're running this like the Wild West.
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No, they definitely just want to get in as many kind of gloating laps early on. I think that they know that it just gets more and more complicated. And certainly as we head into special elections and the midterms and things like that, which hopefully Democrats will perform better than we did.
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I think they can look to past administrations and say, okay, you know, your first two years are when you can actually get things done, right? They have control of everything. They're definitely trying it on. Right, to the largest extent possible. You know, let's ram through $4.5 trillion in tax cuts. Like, let's try to cut all of these entitlement programs.
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Now, they realize that they're not going to get their wish list of all of it, but they are at a moment where they're owning the culture. And so I feel like they're just taking advantage and saying, okay, well, if we have ingratiated ourselves to a segment of the American population that wouldn't have given us their time at all four, eight years ago, let's really go for it.
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And you can tell that also in the attitude that Caroline Leavitt, the press secretary, has about everything. I mean, she's so haughty and arrogant in the way that she delivers everything, which, listen, I wish that I had more of that in me. I wish I didn't have such a terrible case of imposter syndromes. But, like, to be 27 years old and to walk up there with that, you know... It's a fact.
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It's the Gulf of America. Right.
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Right. Or, like... Every man in Gaza is wearing a condom that we paid for. Well, actually, no. No, that's not true. In Mozambique, there are some condoms that got sent. You know, and it's the Trump bravado that if you say it a certain way, there's at least a good amount of people that are going to believe you. And I think that they're living for the moment, right?
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It's like a YOLO administration at this point. And until there are real consequences, I think they're going to go for it with everything. I mean, the APA is calling Mount Denali Mount McKinley right now. I mean, they're doing half of the crazy thing.
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Well, there are owning infrequent voters that are 18 to 40, right? And those are real culture vultures. Those are people that are listening to podcasts. Those are people who are concerned about all of the dyes in our food. Those are people who are picking schools for their kids to go to and are disenchanted with the public school system. And
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wanting to get away from feeling like they have to use gender pronouns on their email signatures. I mean, these are real things that folks are thinking about. And so I don't know if owning the culture is the right way to put it, because I still don't think that Kid Rock is cooler than Jay-Z. That will just never happen.
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I can't. I can't fight the 40, and I'm 41 in a couple of weeks. No, but Kid Rock was on Bill Maher on Friday night, and I found the interview really interesting. I mean, it was, first of all, I had forgotten, I guess, that he played Obama's inauguration in 08. And he was like, it's not as if I liked Obama then. You just show up and you do this. But he was essentially mocking us for...
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like liberal leaning people and you new to this side of the fence, but for freaking out about everything all the time. And I do think that they are owning the culture by making it clear that majority of people feel like it's just not that serious. And part of that is a mistake on Democrats' part by not making it feel like it's that serious in practical ways.
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Not like the sky is actually going to fall, but like this is the way that your checkbook is going to be affected. This is the way your kid is going to be affected. But like people are walking around just saying, I don't think politics is that serious. And the Republican side seems like that right now.
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I think resonant yelling is the trick for that one because I have seen some yelling and I have hated it.
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Singing, yelling.
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Welcome back. Mayor Eric Adams just got a legal lifeline, but it came from the most controversial figure in New York politics, Donald Trump. The Trump administration's Justice Department dropped Adams' corruption case, but in a city where Trump remains deeply unpopular, that reprieve could be more of a political liability than a win.
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Now Adams is facing accusations of being in Trump's pocket, especially after appearing alongside Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, and making moves that align with the president's immigration policies. Meanwhile, the case's dismissal has sparked a crisis inside Trump's DOJ, a mass resignation of prosecutors, including one who accused DOJ leaders of looking for a, quote, fool to take the fall.
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Have you been following that? Probably not as closely as me.
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Yeah, we're getting lapped by the YMCA. So you got to think about that.
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That's Federalist Society for maybe raging moderates audiences are not as in it as the bulwark who are like fed sock.
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Well, you don't even want it back, right?
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Yeah, I was into it. I had... I've been feeling starved, I guess, for some old school intellectual resistance, I guess, not people out there with a sign, you know, like, hands off my whatever. I'm okay with those signs, too.
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Yeah, I like them, but they're not getting us really anywhere at this point. But it feels like... what they're doing is because it's a harbinger of bad things to come. So the Adams case itself, or at least what we know about it, you would expect more, I guess, in the indictment. He definitely broke the law, and I thought that Sassoon's letter was, you know, very specific about that.
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And that does matter to people that are career prosecutors who take the law very seriously. But to me, I felt a little bit of a, if you think that we're just going to roll over for all of this from...
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like, the lighter fare of this, which obviously has very real implications for New York City politics and national politics even, but that they're scared of what this administration is going to be asking them to do. Like, Pam Bondi will see us all as... folks that are ready to just line up and rubber stamp whatever is to come.
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And they can't help the fact, even though Bondi was one of the lesser controversial nominees, which just speaks to how crazy the set of nominees were. But, you know, Pam Bondi was all in on the 2020 election, was rigged out there front and center on that. And to me, it felt like a little bit...
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Of a cry for help or at least a signal of we can't be there for whatever they are going to try because they've spent so much time bemoaning, quote unquote, lawfare. And it is very clear that they are looking to weaponize everything back for their own benefit.
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He took away the notes.
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Yeah, though you do need good people to stay. I said a couple of weeks ago that it's going to require thousands of Mike Pence's to make it through whatever is to come over the course of the next four years. So I agree with you. And I think it also matters that this is happening so early on. I can't believe we're only in the beginning of the fourth week of this.
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but we are going to need people who are interested in the rule of law in a traditional sense, not in the rule of law just because I said so in Napoleonic-slash-Trump terms to reference his weekend tweeting, which did not feel like him at all. I don't know. That felt more Musk.
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It's accredited.
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Or Stephen Miller, like, someone got control of the phone for a second. I don't want to belabor that Adam stuff that much, but part of the deal...
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that I guess he's made, which he claims he hasn't made a deal with the administration, but it's quite obvious since he had to sit on the Fox & Friends couch and be humiliated by Tom Homan a couple days ago, but is that they'll be easing or he's going to try to ease sanctuary city laws as it applies to Rikers.
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And the way that sanctuary city policy works in New York is that ICE can't be near the prisons. And the reason that that's the case is It's not necessarily that we don't want criminals to be deported, but it's because they could pick up people who haven't actually been convicted yet, people who have just been charged and not gone through their due process, which they're entitled to.
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No, probably not.
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Do you have any views, kind of thinking about... the macro issue that I think liberals are finding themselves in is having been way too lax about illegal migration and even too lax on people who are here illegally and then committing violent crimes on how we should be approaching sanctuary policy.
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It's a pretty good upgrade.
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Did you watch any of the SNL 50 stuff?
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Yeah. It's definitely the way that a lot of Democrats feel. You already referenced John Fetterman. You'd be like, why are you wasting my time with this? Right? This is... You're in a privileged position that you got to be here illegally in the first place. And you can just see the...
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next iteration of the Charlemagne ad about giving transgender surgeries for undocumented people in prison being written about something like this. It doesn't change the fact that the city council has to be the ones to revise sanctuary city laws. But I tend to agree with you that kicking up a massive fuss about it probably just allows Trump and co.
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to continue to say that we're so out of step with where culture is.
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Yeah, that leads me to something I've been thinking about in general, about where Democrats... show up and stand up and amplifying stories like that on a local level versus in D.C. I mean, D.C., unless, you know, unless you represent Virginia or Maryland, like, I don't think any of this should be going on in D.C. I think you need to be back with your people and talking about stories like that.
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There was another one in Milwaukee, which I talked about on The Five, and rarely do my colleagues just shut up, but they were like, oh, my God, that happened, where they took in a toddler, a mom, and a grandmother. for speaking Spanish. And someone had to come with birth certificates—they were Puerto Rican—to get them out of the detention center.
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And the idea of a two-year-old in a detention center for allegedly, you know, where we're going to be holding people that have committed violent crimes and were here illegally when they're Americans and did nothing but speak another language, seem to hit the audience hard. Yeah.
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Prison rape is always a highlight. I said multiple times to my husband that I can't believe this show is happening. Like, if it weren't the SNL 50, there's no way these jokes would have made it in, but I'm pretty sure everybody showed up and they were like, we are not playing by 2025 standards. We're playing by whatever year we were actually on the show. And...
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I obviously agree with you. And it's always great when I see others... showing up, not even necessarily to get the clickbait that worked in 2016, you know, how everything was just about owning the other side and there were those huge fights. Now it's like showing up and being reasonable makes even more of a difference because people's partisan lines have been... completely scrambled, right?
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You can't predict it anymore in the same way. And so if you show up like Jared Moskowitz did and you sound reasonable about immigration, you know, he was one of the first ones to say, let me in the Doge caucus, for instance, but then you hold the line about stuff that really matters and it gets amplified like that because he was on, you know, on primetime. They love it.
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They're going to get the clip out into their ether. We'll get their clip out into our ether. And suddenly, you know, Jared Moskowitz is president.
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or even people with that interview in particular, who are big Lex Friedman people, but thought like he went too far in pushing him to say that Russia should get to keep territory that they obviously illegally took. I thought that was, even if it was just for that soundbite, that it was worth the three hours of Zelensky's time to do it.
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I want to get to kind of the future of the anti-Trump Republican faction, but quickly, are you pro-Cuomo, anti-Cuomo? Because he, did you see the ad he released?
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the Valentine's Day ad where he's with all of these older women, mostly women of color, talking about how tough it is right now for New Yorkers, that we can always find a way forward, and that the opposite of hate, the four-letter word that matters most is love. I think it was the phraseology.
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A lot of it was hilarious, but I was overwhelmed by Cher. I don't know if you saw these shots of Kevin Costner losing his mind and Billy Crystal watching this 78-year-old woman look like a 30-year-old woman belting out If I Could Turn Back Time, which I think the gays still have possession of. We still have If I Could Turn Back Time.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy to think about. But the amount of normie Democrats that I know who don't like Cuomo for a whole host of reasons, whether it's, you know, the sexual harassment charges or even the management charges.
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Of COVID and lost people in nursing homes and just really wanted an apology for him that he couldn't get out there, just couldn't muster the strength to say I would have done things a little bit differently, which I think would have gone a tremendously long way. They're like, I could use a competent gangster right now. Like the city is in chaos.
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shitty trouble at this point i hate being on the subway and he feels like when you look at adams on the other side of this and you think i'm not going to go for someone as progressive as like scott stringer that he might be the answer um woof all right uh one more break it's just depressing it is a little depressing um but one more quick break stay with us
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Welcome back. Before we wrap, and we've already been touching on this a little bit, but I want to get into it more deeply with you. There aren't that many Republicans openly pushing back against Trump's agenda these days. Mitch McConnell, for instance, was the lone Republican to vote against confirming Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr.
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And Tim, you pointed out on the bulwark that even the Wall Street Journal's editorial board, usually pretty Trump-friendly, finally took a shot at his economic policies today. What do you think is the future for the anti-Trump Republicans in a party that seems like they've given up a bit besides an editorial or two?
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To the internet. And now to the show. And I'm keeping us on time, which is not Scott's strong suit.
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I think you did great. I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So in today's episode of Raging Moderates, we are discussing Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine, Trump's lifeline to Eric Adams, and the state of anti-Trump Republicans, your specialty. All right, let's get into it. Big moves on the world stage last week.
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Do you have any idea about what happened during these confirmations to people like Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Todd Young in Indiana, or I should say from Indiana, who was really anti-Tulsi, for instance? I mean, is it straight like doxing, threatening you with a primary? Like Bill Cassidy already voted to convict him. So I don't—this idea that—
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He promised Cassidy to essentially, RFK Jr., to not be who he is, right? And to say, you can be my dad and you can check in on me every day and make sure that I'm not going to do these things when even the CDC site already has information about the flu down. So obviously that's not going to hold up. Like, what level of threatening or trolling was going on to make people like this...
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lay down and vote for every single one of these nominees.
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Trump says he had a highly productive call with Vladimir Putin, claiming that they're now working closely on a Ukraine peace deal. He even floated the idea of a future sit-down with Putin. This all came after Russia released American teacher Mark Fogel, which Trump called a, quote, sign of good faith.
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Feels like a very unsafe place to test it out. It's fine.
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They're not bad to your face. I've always found everyone is like, I feel so terrible that I've been calling you the C word online for three years. And I'm like, well, stop doing that. And I'm so nice. Do you want a picture?
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Meanwhile, Kiev is on edge after a drone strike hit Chernobyl just days after Zelensky asked the U.S. for more aid. And in Europe, leaders are scrambling. An emergency summit is set for Monday. So that's today. So by tomorrow, you may have an update. Amid fears that Trump's outreach to Russia is leaving them isolated, U.K.
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Yeah. unpopular opinion but i don't think that you have to do everything that the voters want like they picked a person who can also think for themselves who broadly represents their interests right and understands their constituency but can think for themselves so if you pick you know one of 15 people that you don't think is unqualified for to kind of lay down your marker in the sand and say
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your children will be vaccinated or we will not have someone who thinks Assad wasn't really that bad, that that might be good for you long term. But I'm also not running for public office.
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Yeah. You're saying that I wasted my dollars on Sarah Gideon?
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No, I have a friend who is a doctor and Loves politics, but isn't in the day-to-day insanity. She'll send me like a New York Times article the day after. And she'll be like, can you believe this? And I'm like, I need to talk to you about how fast the news cycle goes. But she'll regularly send me a link to various Democrats. And she goes, worth my money? I'm like, well, how much money?
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Like, if you want to be spreading $10 all over the place, go ahead for it. But Amy McGrath is never going to be the senator that takes Mitch McConnell's seat. Okay, thank you so much for being here. That's it for this episode. Thank you for joining us, Tim, and the Raging Moderates crew. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinene Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
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Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it a once-in-a-generation security moment. Vice President J.D. Vance warned that Russia could face economic and military pressure if it doesn't negotiate in good faith. But in Munich, he took aim at European leaders instead, claiming their real threat isn't Russia or China.
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You can now find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. That's right, its own feed. There, you'll get exclusive interviews with smart voices in politics like our latest guest, Congressman Pat Ryan. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Also, follow Tim in all of Bulwark World. Thank you for being with us. Well, just me. Scott's not here, but he loves you from afar.
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It's their own policies on free speech and refusal to work with hard-right parties in government. Back at home, not much better. The White House is clashing with the press again, this time banning an AP reporter from the Oval Office for refusing to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. The AP is now accusing the administration of violating the First Amendment. Let's talk Ukraine first.
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What do you think the game here is? I mean, you can start with Pete Hegseth's maiden voyage, which did not go well, and he's walking things back within 24 hours. But what do you think Rubio and Trump and Vance want for Ukraine?
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Bigger than the Trump coin. It's interesting.
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I think that that's how... People can manage it. Well, they just say, OK, we know he's a grifter who does things like this, but it's so much bigger than that. And the trade wasn't publicized at all. It took days for anyone to know if we got if we had to trade anything for Mark Fogel.
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Yeah, I think there was something about shooting values and that you can't do that in Pete's answer. I can't really get to calling him Secretary Hickseth yet. I'm still in Pete mode.
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No, not drinking buddies. We have socialized, but no comment. No, I totally agree with you. And one thing that's been sticking out to me is how quickly... everybody has folded from who they were beforehand. Because at least I was holding on to the idea. I know Mike Waltz really well, the national security advisor. We're in a foreign policy group together.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Marco Rubio has been very clear about his foreign policy views for a long time. And I don't think either of those two would have... ever thought that they would be part of a deal that was going to essentially tell Ukraine, you have no future in NATO and you're never getting back your territory. I mean, even forgetting the pre-2014 lines, even from just a few years ago.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
And maybe that speaks to the awesome power of Trump. Maybe that speaks to the new realignment within the Republican Party. But I don't see anyone in positions of power now that are going to be holding on to traditional American views of foreign policy and our role in the world.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
What do you think is the likelihood that Zelensky gets his way? So he was speaking at the Munich Security Council and he said, we need an armed forces of Europe. This is after J.D. Vance essentially took a flamethrower to our relationship with Europe in his speech. Clearly, Zelensky does not see us as the top partner opportunity for For him going forward.
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Do you think Europe is really going to unify without us?
The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Raging Moderates: What’s Trump’s Endgame in Ukraine?
Going back to, I guess, we got into ineffective Democrats very early on in the podcast. But I do... Maybe just because I work in communication, I guess, that I always think that there was an opportunity to do better if we had messaged properly about this. And it doesn't feel like we have made the case. This is Democrats and Republicans.