Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Senator Ruben Gallego on Signalgate, Veteran Protections & Winning Male Voters
Wed, 26 Mar 2025
Arizona Senator Ruben Gallego joins Jessica to break down the leaked war planning Signal chat—calling for Secretary Hegseth’s resignation. He also discusses the growing Democratic infighting over party leadership and shares what he’s hearing on the ground at town halls across Arizona, where he’s warning voters about potential cuts to Medicaid and veterans’ benefits. Plus, what Democrats need to do to win back male voters and why his Putting Veterans First Act is crucial for protecting those who served. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov. Follow Sen. Gallego, @SenRubenGallego. Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the significance of the leaked Signal chat?
It's a big pleasure of mine. I've been waiting a long time in life to be able to talk to you. And I feel like it's the perfect moment on the news of the day front to talk about the Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic piece where the editor-in-chief was invited into the war planning signal chat. I've seen some of the comments you've posted on X, even saying that Secretary Hegseth needs to resign over this.
Can you talk a bit more about how you're feeling and what you're thinking about it?
Yeah, I mean, when I first saw this, I was like, WTF? Like, it's just like one of those things that you never can imagine actually being real. Like, it's something that came out of Veep. The problem is like, this is like real serious shit. Like, this is not. We should be very concerned for a couple reasons. Number one, it wasn't just like a signal chat.
It was a signal chat of basically our whole national security team. We had people that were overseas commenting on this signal chat. And for us that have been involved, I was the past chairman of Intel Special Operations, we know how our enemies have some very good signal gathering capability. And we don't know how far it went and how far it goes when it comes to this group.
And the fact is, like, they put men and women in danger. You know, obviously, when you're about to launch a war, you are moving assets around. You're moving ships around. You're moving men and women around. You're exposing, make them more vulnerable.
And for us that have been in the military, you put the whole operation in danger or compromised it because, you know, the Houthis may not have the best signal gathering intelligence, but the Iranians certainly do. You know, Russia certainly does, and sometimes will feed information to the Houthis and to the Iranians.
And if they had, you know, gotten a heads up, they may have actually moved some of our targets or their targets that we wanted to target, all because... I have a couple reasons of number one, simple things that I learned in the Marines called operational security that Pete Hexeth should have known. And number two, they're treating this as a game, right? This is war fighting.
People are going to die, whether it's the enemies, hopefully, but sometimes even us. And you can't be treating this as if it's just another lackadaisical communication and taking it seriously and making sure you're doing everything from one end to the other like a professional is what matters. And that's why Pete Hexeth at this point has to resign.
The fact that he was sharing exact weaponry that he's going to use and targets on a signal chat, it wasn't to clearly show what needs to be done or whether targeted needs to be approval. It was to show off, and that showing off compromised our security. He does not have the maturity. He does not have the experience, nor do I think does he have the confidence of the military at this point.
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Chapter 2: Why is Secretary Hegseth under scrutiny?
I know him personally, and he was one of the big relief points for me in the Trump administration, especially when it comes to national security and foreign policy. Do you think there will be any... real repercussions? Do you think Waltz is safe in all of this?
I don't know. Look, I know Mike fairly well. I consider him a friend, but he did a very dumbass thing. And someone within his... If I had done this, Mike would be all over my ass, too. He needs to step up and either hold somebody accountable, or this is where the leadership, this is Pete, should be taking the fall. Because while Mike may have done the mistake of
Adding this person, and I don't know why he did or his staff did, the real leadership fault is, and the real grave sin here, is Secretary of Defense sharing targeting locations and the armaments we're going to use. That is just ridiculous. It is dangerous. And it's just unbecoming of someone of that leadership position.
Yeah. I think a lot about what would be happening in normal times. So if this were any other administration and the expectation would be that there would be congressional hearings and inquiries, there would be an FBI investigation, there would be a DOJ inquiry, there would be impeachment proceedings. Do you have any expectation that... any of that might actually happen?
I doubt it. Look, this is not the courageous time for Republicans. Let's just be clear. There are some that are very concerned. You're going to hear a lot of concerning, you know, Susan Collins on the beat. Yeah, she's concerned again. But at the end of the day, they are still afraid of Donald Trump.
Which scares me because what they should be afraid of is the national security of our armed services. This is a very serious, serious breach. We should have hearings. Maybe the hearings will give us a better or enlighten more how this happened so we can fix it in the future. Maybe it will actually pinpoint not necessarily that it was Secretary of Defense.
It could be somebody else within his chain of command. But the fact that we're going to just the Republicans are just going to drag, you know, just put this under the rug and hope that everyone forgets about it is what really scares all of us. What else are they doing on the signal chat? I mean, the fact that they're even doing this on a signal chat in itself is illegal.
But the fact that, you know, there's a one of the branches of government plus the their allies in the House and the Senate. go and do everything they can really to memory hold this. And the people that end up losing are our members of the armed services because they end up being weaker because of these actions.
Yeah, I think that's a really important point because anyone who's been on Signal knows that people go there for private conversations, but also so that the messages can be disappeared, right? That they're 24 hours a week, however much it is. So you think they've been in office for two months. A lot has already gone on. We've been negotiating between Ukraine and Russia.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Medicaid cuts in rural Arizona?
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Donald Trump's been back in office long enough to shock or surprise just about anyone who voted for him at this point, be it the signal scandal or the tariff turnarounds, the Jeanine Pirro of it all, the way he talks about Ozempic.
And he takes the fat, the fat shot drug. So rude. I'm in London and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working.
On Today Explained, we're asking if any of his voters are experiencing voters remorse, especially those ones who are newer to his winning coalition. Younger voters, black voters, Latin voters. We're heading to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to ask them if regrets. Do they have a few? And just by way of spoiler to get this out of the way, the answer is yes, they do.
And he takes the fat, the fat shot drug.
Do you feel like the Democrats are meeting the moment? So you're a special test case for our party. You won in a very tough environment for Democrats. Trump won by five points in Arizona. You were able to win. And a few other swing state Senate Democrats were able to pull it off. And you're quite a moderate person. You certainly...
push back when it needs to be, like on immigration, for instance, with the sending people who shouldn't be in an El Salvadorian prison camp down there. You're going to say something about that. But do you feel like Chuck Schumer is up to the task at this particular moment? And how are you balancing the fact that our party seems to want moderate policies, but also a fighter?
Yeah, well, I don't think Chuck was up to the task when it came to the CR, just to be clear. And I made it very clear to him. And I also made it clear going forward what I expect from him and from leadership. I think it was a horrible strategic mistake of how he handled it. He says that that was the best he knew. He was running on the best information.
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Chapter 4: How can Democrats regain support from male voters?
And they're telling me that they're having a tough time picking up people because a lot of people are hiding. You know, a lot of people have moved. A lot of the information you're using is old. And some of the people they are trying to pick up, once they get to them, they do investigation and find out that most of them have already started the process or in the process of becoming legalized.
And it makes it even more difficult. And so you're going to see a lot of these changes. you know, kind of flashes to distract from the fact that this has been an overall failure when it comes to deportations. There are still individual gross examples that we're hearing and seeing, like, for example, that, you know, the stylist that was sent to Salvador, these
These Colombians I was just telling you about. But on a whole, they have failed so far on mass deportation. And so they're going to try to make it up by whatever means possible. Now, what does that look like? It could just be even worse, doing worksite raids, things of that nature, which will eventually hurt our economy and hurt our communities.
Yeah, it does seem like that shift has happened faster than I even expected on how people feel about the economy. So on immigration, that's the only area that Trump has a positive rating on, about 55% approval. His ratings on handling cost of living, inflation, all the things that he told us he was going to fix are tanking quickly.
We just didn't talk about them anymore. That's the thing. It's like he talks about immigration. And think about it. The reason he's tanking is because he doesn't talk about it anymore because he knows whatever he needs to do to fix that, he doesn't want to do it, right? That's the problem. And I think people are giving him way too much grace. You can fix some of these problems.
You can help fix the price of eggs by making sure that chickens are properly vaccinated against avian flu. You can bring down the cost. of living by, you know, not engaging in these tariff wars that are gonna hurt working class Americans.
You know, you can, you know, increase the wages by not cutting some of the regulations that were increasing wages, especially for contracted, federal contract employees. All these things he can do, but he doesn't want to do because it'll piss off someone along in his base. So instead, he's just going to focus on the things that he knows he can do maybe fairly well when it comes to immigration.
But he's no longer talking about health care. I think he's talking about cutting health care. You know, this is where this is why this is his prime focus, because it's the only thing that keeps this coalition together. And in the end, it screws Americans.
Yeah, and healthcare is also, it feels like the only bright spot, at least in terms of what Democrats can be talking about, because it's something central to the way everyone lives. Pretty high approval for Obamacare, certainly people like their Medicare and their Medicaid.
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Chapter 5: What is the Putting Veterans First Act?
well, we should just try talking to them, number one. There's just a lot of Democrats don't even try talking to men. We don't try to talk to them as an interest group. And I think, you know, this sounds weird when it comes from Democrats, but I do believe that there is a problem within men in this country. And the fact is, like, we don't even talk about it.
We don't talk about the fact that they have the lowest college attainment rate ever, that they're living at home with their parents, that they're not buying homes, they're not having success. And Women are having, so it's not that they have, you know, have it easy either, but we don't even talk about it. And also like some of it is, is, you know, people want to say like, oh, you got to bro it up.
It's, that's not the case at all. I don't think I bro it up at all, but I do talk about understanding the pressure of being a father. The fear you have about not being able to provide for your son and daughter. I have two kids now. I have another one coming. And the fact that we should respect fathers and mothers. And I think for some reason as a party, we felt it was cheapish to do that.
I was talking to another congressman from a swing district, and I won't be able to do it this year because my son is going to be born right near Father's Day. but I wanted to do Father's Day appreciation breakfast. And I was talking to this swing congressman. He said he'd never done something like that. I'm like, yeah, but I bet you've done Mother's Day appreciation breakfast. He's like, I have.
I'm like, why would I do a Father's Day appreciation breakfast? He's like, because I'm afraid I'm going to get yelled at. Well, we are so focused on trying to not piss off somebody within our own camp that we're losing... the opportunity to talk to these other people and bring them in. And then lastly, when the data tells you there's a problem, believe that there's a problem.
And the reason that we outperformed not just Harris, but all the other senators, mind you, Arizona has a 300,000 more voter registration. Republicans are 300,000 more Republicans than Democrats in Arizona. I don't have the numbers that Nevada has. I don't have the numbers that Michigan has. I wish I had those numbers.
But we had to accept reality when we heard that people were still pissed off about the economy. We couldn't lie to ourselves and say like, well, you know, inflation is going down and wages are going up. That's not what was happening. You heard it at the doors. You heard it, you know, talking to voters. I heard it in the grocery store.
And I heard it from, you know, Latino men who really, really felt that they had been abandoned. And these are men that believe they could work their way out of any problem. They'll add an extra job. They'll cut here, cut there.
And the Democrats just never wanted to really talk to them in a way that would help them kind of at least assuage fears because we wanted to believe the lie that was not actually in front of us. And look, when it comes to young people, like why were young people moving away from us? Two reasons. Number one, They're graduating into a world that they think they didn't deserve.
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Chapter 6: What challenges do veterans face currently?
Look, I do think it's okay for us to have healthy discussions who we are as a party. At the core, though, people that are 95% in line with you are 95% your ally. They're not 5% your enemy, or they're not 95% your enemy, as some of these groups think, right? I think about this all day because people are pissed at me for here and there and saying, you know, Carrie Lake should have just won.
I'm like, okay, so would Carrie Lake be trying to defend Medicaid? Care like be pro labor right now? Uh, you know, I sign up to the, I sign up to the pro act. Would care like be willing to pass immigration reform? Would care like be willing, uh, you know, it would be as, as pro-choice as, as, as I am.
No, but because of one or two, uh, votes or because like, you know, I, I, I talked to, you know, Republicans all of a sudden I am the devil. Like again, we're 95% allies. Let's work on that. And guess what? For that 5%, let's keep talking. Right. People change over time. Politics change over time.
But for this has gotten to the point where within this big tent that people just basically are stabbing each other when we can all be working together. What what AOC and Bernie are doing is good. It's good that they're out there talking. and getting people excited. It's good that we have moderate members that are doing the same thing. It's good that we're all trying to fight for the same thing.
By the way, we're all saying the same thing too. We're all in alignment. These rich people should not be cutting poor people programs to make themselves richer. That's exactly what we're saying. Now, they have different words. I have different words. That's fine. But that's a true tense, not the kind of infighting that I've seen in the last couple of years.
I totally agree with you. There is a very simple theme on this, and it can't be focused on the other side without going after one another and these ugly primaries that they're threatening.
It's way easier to fight. It's very easier for us to fight when we're at the fight each other when we're actually in power right now. What are we fighting over? None of us are in power.
No, that's the mother of a toddler. Sometimes it really feels like the same vibes as when I pick her up at the community center. I wanted to give you the opportunity to talk about your putting veterans first bill.
Yeah, I mean, look, it's a very simple bill. It restores all the cuts at the VA and it rehires every veteran across the federal government. It does provide for an avenue for for them to be fired, but it's an avenue that you have to prove that they are negligent, that they are not good workers, that their job is no longer needed, right? And it's just simple, right?
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Chapter 7: How does Senator Gallego view the current political landscape?
And it enrages me because it's not necessary. Hell, you could do all of this and just exempt veterans, but because there's some level of, I don't know, malevolence or just disrespect from this administration to veterans, they don't care. They just absolutely don't care. So we should be raging about that. What we shouldn't be raging about, you know, some of these things,
that end up being kind of social policy wars. Not that they're not important, but they're not the most important right now. And I think it's important that we focus on stabilizing our democracy, stopping these massive tax cuts. And once we do that, then we could get back into the nitty gritty of some of these like social policy issues. But right now, a lot of times,
Even if we want to do this, the American public is not with us. And, you know, as I try to tell some of my colleagues, like there's some hills we just can't die on because if we die on those hills, we can't fight for anything else. And, you know, that's where I'll leave that at least.
I agree with you. If it's an 80-20 issue and we're on the wrong side of it, maybe we should move on.
Exactamente.
Anyway, thank you so much for your time. It was great to talk with you.
Adios.
Adios.
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