Scott and Jessica break down the chaos surrounding Trump’s economic and immigration agendas. First, they dive into Trump’s trade war U-turn: after rattling global markets, he’s hit pause on his “reciprocal” tariff strategy—everywhere but China. They unpack what this 90-day freeze actually means and whether there’s any real strategy behind the whiplash. Next, they turn to Congress, where Trump’s legislative priorities are moving forward—but not without serious drama. With deep Medicaid cuts, clean energy rollbacks, and massive tax extensions on the table, are Republicans undermining their own voters just to make the numbers work? And finally, the administration’s deportation crackdown takes a disturbing turn—adding undocumented immigrants to a federal "death" list and triggering a legal showdown with El Salvador. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov. Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Follow Raging Moderates, @RagingModeratesPod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
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And I'm Jessica Tarloff.
I just came from the Palm Beach Gardens Department of Motor Vehicles where my 17-year-old son now has a full-fledged Florida driver's license.
Oh, why doesn't he have an English driver's license?
Oh, no, we're not doing that. That's hardcore.
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Chapter 2: What recent changes occurred in Trump's tariff strategy?
Were you full of regret?
Yeah, I don't know. It just seemed like I was at the point where I was trying to impress her and her parents. So it just seemed like the right thing to do. But anyways, I've I spent all of my money, literally all of my money and more on cars. Okay. Enough of that. In today's episode of Raging Moderates, we're discussing Trump's trade war whiplash.
Congress moves forward to fund Trump's legislative agenda and Trump's deportation operation mistakes. All right, let's get into it. Well, after a wave of mounting pressure... Trump blinked at the mother of all blanks and hit pause on his tariff strategy, sort of. Last week, he announced a 90-day freeze on reciprocal tariffs, dropping them to a baseline of 10 percent.
But that excludes China, where things are only getting more and more heated. Trump and President Xi are now locked down. In a full-on tariff standoff, Beijing just slapped a whopping 125% tariff on U.S. goods. Trump fired back with an even steeper 145% tariff on Chinese imports. By the way, folks, when we talk about a trade war, that's exactly what's going on right now.
And while this showdown plays out, the administration now has just 90 days to try and lock in deals with 150 countries. Yeah, these people are so competent. That should pan out. The White House has also announced late Friday that some electronic goods, including from China, will be exempt from the tariffs. That carve-out is a big relief for U.S. tech giants, including Apple.
But then said tech-specific tariffs are coming. So it's off, it's on, it's off, it's on. Who am I? Who are you? Where are we? Are we in the matrix? The whiplash approach is starting to take a toll. Trump's economic approval ratings are dipping, according to a new CBS News poll. And Wall Street isn't exactly reassured.
Bank execs, including JPMorgan Chase's Jamie Dimon, are warning of considerable turbulence ahead. Those words were probably gangbanged by about 14 communications consultants. Consumer confidence is also taking a hit, with Americans bracing for inflation to spike to nearly 7%, the greatest in over 40 years.
Trump is also facing questions about market manipulation after he posted, this is a great time to buy, just before announcing the pause. Jess, what do you make of this U-turn on tariffs? He basically hit pause after the markets freaked out. What's the strategy here if there is one?
My overarching feeling, which maybe has been kind of consistent, is that it feels like nobody is at the helm at this particular moment. Yeah. They're paying attention to the bond market, which I think is a good thing, right, that there's some awareness for the fact that we need people to buy our debt and to think that we're a good bet going forward. But you're watching the dollar tank.
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Chapter 3: How are consumers reacting to the economic changes?
And you think, oh, well, Susie Wiles, you know, the ice maiden, she's supposed to be in charge of this and she's gatekeeping. And you're like, no, no one is gatekeeping any of this. Scott Besant was doing his best. Jamie Dimon has obviously realized that when he gives an interview, they listen for at least 20 minutes.
But the patients are running the asylum, is that the way that you're supposed to say it? And the world is getting together behind our backs. They're laughing at us, and they're using those memes. Have you seen those AI-generated memes of Americans working in Chinese factories? Those are being passed around very high-level circles. like bureaucracies in foreign countries, our allies.
I'm watching Zelensky on 60 Minutes last night thinking, God, what have we done, right? What teams have we picked in all of this? And the stories from these small business owners about what they are going through are And how much they have tried to prepare for this moment because they knew that some degree of tariffs were coming and now are just beside themselves.
The woman who she was on Shark Tank, she makes the silicone baby placemat where the toys are attached to it. She ended up turning down Lori, actually, who wanted too much of her company, the busy baby placemat. She's a veteran, did everything right, budgeted for 20 to 30 percent tariffs. now obviously can't afford what's going on.
She talked about how she actually considered ending her life because at least she had a life insurance policy, and that's what could be left for her family. She's going to try to pivot now to being a global business, but it feels like on every level, order is breaking down. Monetary order, political order, geopolitical order. and I'm really scared for what's to come next.
Yeah, I think you're spot on. So let's talk about what actually catalyzed the pause. And it was, I think, a combination of two things. So first off, the president has access to a more robust information set than any individual in the world. Between the NSA, more economic points of light, some of the brightest people in the world, corporations. He can call anyone, they return his call.
He really is at the helm of the bobsled in terms of his vision into the most accurate up-to-the-minute data. And I think two things inspired him to blink. I'm sure he saw consumer data that, I mean, there's a few things. The uncertainty index is now higher than it was in COVID. People feel a greater level of uncertainty than they did when we were locking down
schools and telling people to return from work and wear masks outside. I mean, so this is how uncertain things have become. He saw, I'm sure, consumer data that people are getting cautious, companies are pausing hiring plans. And I'll come back to some of the on-the-ground discussions I've had with entrepreneurs and small businesses. And then he said, okay, we have consumer data.
The economy appears to be slowing, and in about five days, the 10-year popped almost 50 bps. Now, when you have the economy slowing while interest rates are going up, That means that the interest rates are gonna take more of people's disposable income through credit card debt, mortgages, student loans, which will even decrease their spending even more.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Trump's tariffs on small businesses?
So that you had people that could go out and make a product, believe in what they're doing, support their family, be able to, you know, take a vacation every year. It was a good life there. And folks would go on and they would buy the products that they were producing and you didn't have what we have.
Now, which is the gig economy, right, where you're literally just paying people to service your every need and whim. Oh, I want a bagel right now. I want a cup of coffee. I'm going to have someone run around whatever your grocery store of choice is for you. Gristiti's, D'Agostino's, it's very New York-centric, Whole Foods, whatever, Wegmans. I'm going to have somebody go and do that for me.
And so that's contributed to the angst in society, this overwhelming feeling that the rich are just getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. This is Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump singing the same tune. But the solution cannot be what they are saying that it can be. This return to a manufacturing economy is just never going to happen. So what is the actual solution?
And I haven't heard that from the Democratic side, and I hope that we will. Maybe we can ask Hakeem Jeffries about it on Thursday night. But there is a genuine nostalgia for a time past. It's common, obviously, but quiet. Who is going to break it to millions of people that we are never going back, especially when you have no interest in going back yourself?
You know, it's all well and good to say you go work in a factory, but me, no. You know, I want to sit in an air-conditioned office or actually I want to sit at home, right? I want to be able to work from home and be able to be paid a good wage and put food on the table and my kids go to a good school and we're going to be able to take a vacation. And I don't know how you fix that imbalance.
Like that's that's not only an economic problem. That's a psychological torture problem. And everyone just gets amped up for elections. And they know I have to say the right thing in order to get reelected or to get elected for the right time. And then they're stuck with this massive problem. And I feel like there are no good solutions on either end.
Yeah, there's a lot there. Like Trump harkens for the late 19th century and talks about this great kind of gilded age. And the reality is in the 1890s, we had child labor. We had outdoor plumbing.
Well, I think in Florida and Arkansas, you can get that back.
Yeah, they're trying to get that back. There you go. But this notion that we want to go back to this bygone era, do you realize there are six times as many job openings as there are people looking for jobs? I mean, what we have is a mismatch in terms of skills.
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Chapter 5: How do tariffs affect the overall U.S. economy?
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Welcome back. Before we go, the Trump administration's crackdown on undocumented immigrants is getting more extreme. Late last week, a federal judge allowed a rule to take effect requiring undocumented immigrants to self-report to the government, a policy rooted in a 1952 law. That same day, the Social Security Administration, at the request of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem,
added over 6,000 undocumented immigrants to its death master file, effectively declaring them dead. Being listed cuts off access to work and benefits. The administration claims those listed have ties to criminal or terrorist activity, but has provided no evidence. Many reportedly had valid Social Security numbers but lost legal status when temporary work programs ended, and most are Latino.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court weighed in on a separate case where the administration admitted it wrongly deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to El Salvador and ordered them to return him. But on Sunday, the administration insisted that it is not required to work with officials in El Salvador to secure his return.
On Monday, Trump welcomed the president of El Salvador to talk about their partnership amid their deportation push. Jess, give us kind of a big picture view of the state of his mass deportation operation.
Well... I want to start by saying this is handling of immigration is still the only area where Trump has a positive rating and 55 to 58 percent approval. And when you think of how far he's sinking on the economy and his individual popularity, which is now down in the low 40s, he has taken a big dive. That's meaningful.
And I want to make sure that we're giving credence to that, that there are a lot of people out there who feel like it is a good thing that we are deporting people, that also these self-deportations are taking place, that people are seeing what's going on, whether it's fair or not. And certainly not fair.
And I want to talk about the innocent people that have been sent to this El Salvadorian prison camp. But people are getting the message that this administration gives no Fs. And if you're illegal, they're not going to be kind to you. And Trump in his cabinet meeting at the end of last week said, oh, well, I've spoken to the farmers and the guys who own hotels.
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Chapter 6: What impact do tariffs have on job creation?
And it was just came out of The Washington Post last night that the State Department, a few days before ICE came and took her, determined that there was no evidence showing that she engaged in anti-Semitic activities or made any public statements supporting a terrorist organization. She's due in federal court today in Vermont. She's been in custody since March 25th.
It will be very interesting to see what goes on there because now you have the State Department rebuking their secretary of state and certainly DHS. And I'm very curious to how that plays out. Lastly, I realize this is a ton of stuff, but I've been thinking about these cases that maybe we can start talking about today.
to make this issue feel more real to people, that it's not just about, you know, there was an open border and we've got to fix it, that innocent people are being affected. In Sackets Harbor, New York, which is dairy country, a mother and her three children, a third grader, a 10th grader and an 11th grader were taken from their home.
These are people, no record, here undocumented, but no record whatsoever. The town, which is a big Trump town, and Tom Holman actually has a house there, rallied in defense of them. There was a thousand people. There were a thousand people that turned out to make sure that it was known to all the press that was there.
This got to Kathy Ockel, who made a statement about it, that these people need to be returned. And they were returned. And if that kind of activity is going on in a Trump area, and by the way, they were, quote unquote, guilty of living in the same Wi-Fi zone as somebody that there was actually a warrant to pick up.
That's how Tom Holman defended it at first before he had he was pushed and had to release them. But if you see a thousand people turning up in Trump country to make sure that an undocumented family has returned.
I think that that might be a harbinger of good things to come, that people are paying attention and that there's a lot more unity than we think on what should be happening on immigration versus what this administration is doing.
Yeah, there's this... I mean, there's incompetence and then there's depraved. And they take the crown for both these things. They are rounding up the wrong people with no criminal record.
And then when it comes to their attention that they spent a quarter of a million dollars per flight to have their kind of right-wing snuff film on camera, and then they find out that they deported people who are just undocumented workers who should not be deported to a hellscape prison in a different country than they're originally from.
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Chapter 7: What are the potential long-term effects of current trade policies?
We've known what's going on here, and we have enabled it.
9%.
As a country. Wow. Wow. What's your favorite city to visit in the U.S.?
You know... I love Chicago.
Really?
Chicago in the summer. And this is because I loved living in London in the summer so much. I feel like it's same vibes where everyone is just so happy. I like lake life. And I feel like Chicago has everything. It has a great food scene. It has a great art scene. It's smaller than New York, obviously. It's just too cold in the summer. But every time I go to Chicago, I'm elated. What about you?
I love that. I totally see you. That makes a lot of sense. I can totally see that Jess Tarloff would love Chicago. I describe Chicago as the Old Navy of cities. It's 80% of New York for 50% of the price. All right, that's all for this episode. Thank you for listening to Raging Moderates. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinenye Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows.
Jess, I'm going to see you in New York in a few days.
You can find... Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm really nervous, though. Are you nervous?
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