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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1008: Jon Lovett: A Worst Case Scenario Comes Into View

27 Mar 2025

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Trump so far is not delivering on his promised spike in deportations, but he is creating a permission structure where we lock up people without due process in a foreign gulag—and where masked, plainclothes officers in unmarked cars can grab an international student off the street because of her speech. Meanwhile, a Rolex-wearing Kristi Noem is shooting videos in front of people we've turned into hostages, the mainstream media is struggling to respond to the moment, we can't count on judges siding with the Constitution, Republicans refuse to be honest, and far too much of the public is not paying attention.  Jon Lovett joins Tim Miller. show notes FDR's "Rendevous with Destiny" speech

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8.154 - 26.51 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to have back former speechwriter for Hillary Clinton and Barry Obama, co-founder of Crooked Media, host of Love It or Leave It, as well as the YouTube show, Taking the World by Storm, called Speech Center. He does it with me. Go check it out if you haven't. It's John Lovett. How you doing, man? Hi, Tim.

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26.53 - 27.09 Tim Miller

It's good to see you.

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28.111 - 33.444 Jon Lovett

Our show, Speech Center, by the way. Yeah. It's the hit of the channel. It's actually kind of hurting my feelings.

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33.884 - 35.305 Tim Miller

It's the hit of the Love It or Leave It channel?

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35.445 - 36.526 Jon Lovett

Yeah, that's right.

36.867 - 58.103 Tim Miller

I like praise, just as a general matter. But this type of positive feedback is particularly meaningful to me because the other guests you have on the channel are way more famous than me and more talented. You have all these A-list celebrities, people famous on gay TikTok you have on, and you make jokes together, and yet the people still want me. That's nice.

58.483 - 69.444 Jon Lovett

They want you. They want... They want the gay Republican versus gay Democrat anti-Trump. I don't know what you'd call it. The frisson. You know, they want that.

70.425 - 87.26 Tim Miller

They want the kind of faux tension. Right. You know, that we offer. Okay. Well, that's great. I love it. Everyone should check it out if they haven't. Last time you were here on our side of the inner tubes, on the bulwark side, that was one week after the election. You cried famously as covered by Fox News Primetime.

87.461 - 98.969 Jon Lovett

They didn't discover it. You put it in the fucking thumbnail. So they were like Columbus discovering America. You know, it was set up for them. It was ready. So, you know, there's only a couple of times I played on Fox.

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