For 80 years, the United States built strong economic, military, and political alliances around the world. But in just 100 days, that trust has been dismantled, and our friends are now working without us to forge new relationships. Former Secretary of State Antony Blinken joins Tim to discuss how hard it will be to rebuild after what Trump has done—plus the Biden administration's response to the Gaza protests, and the continuing questions over why Biden did not step aside earlier. And, Alex Wagner joins from Hungary to discuss the mass protests there. Tony Blinken and Alex Wagner join Tim Miller. show notes Alex's "Trumpland" podcast Tim on Trump's ABC News interview
Chapter 1: Who are the main guests featured in this episode?
Now what we're seeing is instead of de-risking from China, we have the rest of the world that's looking at de-risking from us because we've lost the most important thing that undergirds any trade relationship, political relationship, military relationship, and that's trust. People don't know that they can trust the United States. They don't know what we're doing. They don't know where we're going.
They don't know if what we say today is going to be reversed tomorrow and then reversed again the day after. So I think China's looking at this too and thinking on the one hand, look, this isn't great. It does hurt us, but we have some ability to to endure and to take more pain by the nature of our system than the United States does. So I'm afraid they're going to try to outweigh this.
The other thing that isn't like a direct China issue, because we aren't doing a ton of USAID with China, but relates to our competition with China, the great power competition, is just the fact that we've completely gutted a lot of the soft power that we use throughout the world. Talk about that and the impact of cutting USAID, not just on China,
you know, the people are being harmed, which is important, but also on the competition with China.
Look, I get that people are not, you know, necessarily enthusiastic about foreign aid or diplomatic programs.
You're in a safe space for people being enthusiastic about foreign aid here. You know, the remaining, the handful of renegade former Republicans, McCain Republicans and the liberals, you know, that listen, we're good here. We don't need, you know,
10%.
1%.
One penny on every dollar covers basically everything the State Department and USAID do, or in the case of USAID, were doing in the past. And the bang for the buck is incredible. Because not only are we helping countries solve problems that, if not solved, are going to come back to bite us because in the absence of solving them, people are going to go to war. You're going to have mass migrations.
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Chapter 2: What does Tony Blinken identify as the biggest foreign policy challenges today?
One of the things that I've learned too over working for three presidents over the course of the Clinton, Obama, and Biden administrations is, you know, keep whatever counsel you gave to the president to yourself.
Rapid fire. Do you think that Putin wants peace? No. Do you think that all of the people that we have sent to the El Salvador, Secote, are actually MS-13? I haven't seen the evidence, so that suggests... Or, excuse me, or Trandaragua.
Trandaragua, yes. I haven't seen the evidence. It sure would be good to see it. And again, I know this is rapid fire, but this is not about immigration. It's about the Constitution, and it's about due process, and it's about the rights that everyone needs to be afforded. Because when you short-circuit those rights for one person,
you're going to wind up short circuiting for lots of other people, including people who may be listening to this podcast.
Can I see your knuckles? We want to make sure you don't have MS-13. Do you have MS-13 tattooed on your knuckles? Okay, watch out. No. Stephen Miller might put something on there and it might trick the president. Did you see the president last night? He was tricked into thinking that a Photoshop. I missed that. Yeah, a Photoshop of Abrego Garcia's knuckles. It said MS-13 in like Arial font.
It was a Photoshop. And the current president thought it was real and started yelling at Terry Moran about how he needs to look at the knuckles. We're in a pretty bad place, Tony.
Well, that and all of my Chicago Bulls memorabilia and, you know, shirts. I'm obviously giving those to Goodwill.
Do you have a favorite Bull on the current team?
I have to say I'm originally from New York, so I'm really a Knicks fan.
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