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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol: Resist the Nihilism

Mon, 20 Jan 2025

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Trump wants us to believe that nothing matters, so we'll brush off all his corruption and grifting as though everybody does it. That's what aspiring authoritarians always do, including the guy who didn't place his hand on a Bible when he was sworn in today. Meanwhile, Trump just launched probably the biggest scam in the history of the presidency with his memecoin—ordinary people will lose real money, nothing like the small-ball amounts he scoops up with his shoes, mugs, and digital baseball cards. Plus, Biden's pardons, Trump's Day One executive orders, and seizing the means of content production with TikTok. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes: Mark Hertling on the challenges of executing "shock and awe" TODAY AND TOMORROW ONLY: TODAY AND TOMORROW ONLY: Make The Bulwark your home for coverage of Trump 2.0. Get 2 months FREE on an annual subscription of Bulwark+ now for exclusive content, ad-free commentary and more. https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

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00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is the day of the second Trump inauguration. Like most of you, I'd rather be anywhere other than here, but we're destined to be here right now. Might as well slog through it together. It's Monday, so I've got Bill Kristol, of course. A few programming notes real quick.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

Me and Bill are taping this at about 9.30 Eastern and are going to be covering everything from the Trump coin on Friday night through the developments this morning. This afternoon, we'll have a post-inauguration live stream. You'll be able to get that on Substack or YouTube. When that is finished tomorrow, we'll have on a favorite of the pod to sort through the wreckage.

00:00 - 00:00 Tim Miller

So that's our schedule to Bill. Bill, I usually start these by saying, how are you doing? And I'm not really asking how you're doing when I say that. That's just kind of a nicety. But I'm curious how you're doing, genuinely.

00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

I tried to cheer myself up this morning by writing a little morning shots about how we shouldn't be intimidated by all this bluster and executive orders and the entire media deciding that Trump has conquered it all and all these people accommodating and capitulating. So I'm trying to cheer myself up. But I wanted to begin by congratulating you on Jaden Daniels' performance Saturday night.

00:00 - 00:00 Bill Kristol

for the commanders so you've been promoting him for what at least three years two years at lsu but you're a huge lsu booster and i was kind of discounting that you know that just him being excessively loyal to lsu then he came to washington and i've learned over the years to discount washington redskins now commanders fans in a big way because they get excited when they win you know two games and then they end up you know having a miserable season and i haven't seen many games this year almost any so i was totally unprepared for jayden daniel's performance saturday night which was really fantastic i gotta say

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